1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,960 This is London Calling, London Calling. So far, ninety three people are 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,400 confirmed to have lost their lives, while as many as one thousand are still 3 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:14,279 missing behind a fire is now the deadliest wildfire in the United States in more 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,199 than a century. Officials did not hold a press conference today. Yesterday, 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:29,359 the Maui Police chief asked for patients as search and rescue efforts continue. Welcome 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,359 to London calling with me James Delingpoll and my very good friend mister Taby Young. 7 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:37,880 When are we going to tell the kids? Are we going to string 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,600 them along a bit first? Before we break the knees? We should break 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,759 the news up front. I guess do you think? So? Is that 10 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:50,280 what you do? But I suppose if you were talking to your children you 11 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:53,479 probably would beat around the bush for a bit. I think you take them 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,320 out for dinner first or something. I think no, I think we should 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,079 just we should just say how's your week being, tabes and you know, 14 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:03,479 stuff like that first. So how's it, Well, it's been it's been 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:11,000 okay. I went and did some teaching on Friday and Saturday at this summer 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:19,000 school just outside Oxford. Teaching I gave I gave three lectures and then discussed 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,280 the lectures with a group of very smart seventeen and eighteen year olds afterwards. 18 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,920 And it's a summer school that my son Ludo attended last year. It's for 19 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:42,560 kids who want to do history and PPE at university and my son Freddie I 20 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:47,640 think we'll want to go next year, so and I'll probably be lecturing again 21 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,719 next year. So I did that on Friday and Saturday. That meant I 22 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:56,599 couldn't go to Cardiff to see QPR play Cardiff. It was an away game, 23 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,400 but we won James. We won two one, which was a great 24 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:05,879 improvement on our previous week's performance when we lost four nils to Watford. Unfortunately 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,280 I missed that, but that definitely cheered me up. And yesterday we did 26 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,000 a stage of the Thames Walk, something we're doing as a family, a 27 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,599 nice wholesome family activity. We're trying to follow the Thames all the way across 28 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,599 London, and we started out at they're kind of on the far left hand 29 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,159 side and we're about halfway through or so now, and we did the Richmond 30 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:30,680 to Twickenham leg, which was I don't know, a sort of four mile 31 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:36,039 walk or something five miles. So debate today which is quite nice. How 32 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,680 far down are you going to go? I haven't actually looked. I think 33 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:44,919 we started at the Thames Barrier, but I'm not quite sure where it ends. 34 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,080 Actually, we're probably more than halfway. How much further can it go? 35 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:55,800 Well? In Ughtred novels, yes, the Vikings are constantly going way 36 00:02:55,879 --> 00:03:00,960 up the Thames. It seems to be kind of a kind of a key 37 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:06,599 route of invasion. Yeah, that's true. So I think you've got I 38 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:07,680 think you've got a way to go. I mean, look, hen is 39 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:14,159 on the Thames, Hens away off London. That's true. So yeah, 40 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,039 I think, yeah, maybe maybe, I think it's probably one of those 41 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,840 you know, it's probably we probably could continue to do it for I think 42 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,280 you could. Yeah, I think you could. I was wondering today. 43 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,879 I'm in Devon at the moment, and I was rushing back along the coastal 44 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:37,800 path having been swimming on a an empty beach. It was fantastic, but 45 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:39,759 I had to rush back to to to get to do this, this this 46 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:46,479 podcast, and I was wondering how long it would take to walk all the 47 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:53,879 way around Britain, you know, around this island. I imagine with all 48 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:58,120 the kind of the the little sort of nooks and crannites. It would be. 49 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,360 It must be many, many miles and take eight it would it would 50 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,919 be probably be the work of the rest of your life. I would imagine, 51 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,199 do you reckon, It wouldn't be that, and I think I think 52 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:14,319 you'd get a really boring book out of it as well. You would. 53 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 You wouldn't have many you wouldn't have many encounters. You meet other walkers, 54 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,199 but that would be about it. And it's never that exciting meeting out the 55 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,519 walkers. They just say hi, or they there's a there's that sort of 56 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:31,319 kerfuffle you have where some people make make a big deal of of stepping out 57 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,360 of your way so that you get past, and then you have to elaborately 58 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,360 thank them. Whereas I'm of the view, just just go past. You 59 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:43,399 don't need to sort of stop and well you would get of course, you 60 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,600 gets during the during the pandemic, and even to this day you get people 61 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,519 who leap out of the way. Yeah, well do you know what? 62 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,199 The leapers can leap over the cliff. As far as I'm concerned, I 63 00:04:56,199 --> 00:05:00,600 do remember. I remember those days vividly. I remember it in in Sulcam 64 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,839 because Salcam was bedwet or central when it came to that whole nonsense, you 65 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,560 know, they were, they were all they leapt on the no cash bandwagon. 66 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:15,959 The bakery was desperate to to just take cards only, and they were 67 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,519 and they loved the mask enforcement, and they loved all the all the little 68 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,319 markings on the pavement which shows you what direction you could go in and stuff. 69 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:30,680 And even on the coastal path there were these people who were there were 70 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,279 there were there were no no, there weren't. There weren't markers. But 71 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:36,360 there were people who who genuinely believe if you walked past them, you would 72 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:41,360 give them this deadly virus and they'd die. It was like that yesterday, 73 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:46,079 James, I was walking from Richmond Underground station to the Thames, Sorry overground 74 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:53,600 station to the Thames with my wife and four children or four teenagers, and 75 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,959 we passed a man in a doorway who was kind of sheltering in a doorway, 76 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,639 muttering under his social distancing, social distancing as we walked past. Really, 77 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,600 yes, the first time was he? That was he? I mean 78 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,759 he was obviously I was back to us with he was mentally or obviously he 79 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,560 was mentally here. But what manner of mental illness did he have? Was 80 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,399 it was he? Did he look like he was escaped? He looked like 81 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:25,920 a typical kind of libbed voter in Richmond. Yeah, so like escaped out 82 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,639 of a looney bit. And yeah, yeah, I suppose one of the 83 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,720 few pleasures of that that era was just winding those people up. I mean, 84 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,360 it gave me such happiness. The man on the train who confronted me 85 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:43,720 for not wearing a mask and I basically told him that he was just upset 86 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:46,600 that he wasn't brave enough not to wear a mask and that was his problem. 87 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:51,000 And Teddy, I met someone in Scotland, an ex copper at a 88 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:58,720 free speech Union event in Scotland who had been beaten up quite badly by a 89 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,519 masking zealot on a train because he wasn't wearing a mask. I've heard about 90 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:05,199 this. I don't know if there was the same incident, but it but 91 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:10,920 it did get quite frightening. Somebody really, yes, did have the excrement 92 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:14,199 beat out of him on the train. It's probably the same person because he 93 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,879 probably was in our circles. But it's awful. It's frightening, Yeah, 94 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,959 really awful. And he kind of think, well, what's going through the 95 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,959 head of the mask zealot to kind of beat up someone not wearing a mask, 96 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,879 because you know, if you're going to kind of draw blood and some 97 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,040 of that's going to kind of splatter onto you. I mean, that's going 98 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:36,959 to be far worse than being breathed on by this guy. It's not rational, 99 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,360 it's not rational, it's instinctive. This is this is program behavior. 100 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,560 This is all program behavior. The way that the way that everyone behaved during 101 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,839 during that nonsense was was was programmed. They were the victims of a military 102 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:56,600 grade siop, and their government was participating, the media was participating. That 103 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:03,879 It took it took an extraordinary degree of critical thinking and kind of intellectual detachment 104 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,680 and emotional detachment to step away from that that that big scary story that we 105 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,920 were being fed everywhere and realize the truth. So, I mean, it's 106 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:18,399 deplorable that that linatics were programmed to behave in that way, you know, 107 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,160 a bit like the sort of man mini Manchurian candidates. But nevertheless, that's 108 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:28,920 what happened. We also went and saw Mission Impossible. Yesterday we've got back 109 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,000 from our walk. We went to see Mission Impossible Dead Rickning part one, 110 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,240 which we can talk about the ledgering culture corner. Ah, yes, yes, 111 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,320 well you can tell me, tell me about it, because I've gotten 112 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,639 you can. You can even give plot spoiler's going. I've got no interest 113 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,200 in seeing it. By the way, I tell you, what is really 114 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:54,120 really weird. I come down. I've been coming down to Salkam since about 115 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,679 the nineteen of the early nineteen seventies, so I remember it when it was 116 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,399 still a sort of up and coming fishing village. And since then it's grown, 117 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:09,759 it's become rammed with I think it's got the highest average property prices anywhere 118 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:15,840 in the country. And that complete wonker, what's his name, Neil Woodford, 119 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,279 the guy who set up that fund, and then all his customers lost 120 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,120 their money. But Neil Woodford was all right, he's got he's got a 121 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,440 pad down here. Are you there? Are you there at the moment? 122 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,559 That? Yeah, that's the beach. Okay, it's within gobbing distance actually 123 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,919 of where I am, and I might test my my gobbing skills later on. 124 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,879 But yeah, and it's and it's slightly sort of nauseatingly moneyed, and 125 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,360 at this time of year, if you wanted to stay stay in Salcombe via 126 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,399 Airbnb, or perhaps they don't even deign to go on Airbnb. They're probably 127 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:56,440 own exclusive property rental companies that specialize in salk and what they were one Fine 128 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Stay, which is the kind of deluxe version of Airbnb. Oh well that 129 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:07,000 that might be it. Anyway, August would be would be very very expensive. 130 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,759 And I'm down here now and I would I don't think I can recall 131 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,720 any summer, definitely not in August where it has been this empty. It's 132 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:22,039 extraordinarily Yeah, it's like it's like the zombie apocalypse is hit and everyone's or 133 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,360 it's a bit like like the like MAUI. I mean, it's it's extraordinary 134 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,279 that that you you go down into Salcom town and you normally expect to be 135 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,000 mobbed by everyone. Every other person has a spaniel and a range Rover and 136 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,039 you expect not to be able to walk even to the news agent. Well 137 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:46,000 I'm not that I would, but my wife needs a paper and today it's 138 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:50,960 like yeah, I mean it's like it's like may or something something, you 139 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:54,480 know, may when when when the school, when the kids are at school, 140 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,679 it's it's and I don't understand it. I mean unless it's a consequence 141 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:03,919 of this dire summer that we've been having. Could be could be that, 142 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,759 yeah, fewer people are, you know, taking staycations because of the weather. 143 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,720 It could be I guess that people are you know, over the last 144 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:16,279 three or four years, they've been more likely to vacation in country, but 145 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,960 now they're beginning to go abroad again more. Yeah, yeah, but I 146 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:28,440 do what the puzzling part. Okay, So you would normally you in order 147 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,120 to get a flat or a you know, a sort of farmhouse or whatever 148 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,919 in Salcomb this time of year, you would have had to have booked months 149 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,679 ago, months ago, and you wouldn't get a refund. You wouldn't be 150 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,120 able to complain about the The weather forecast isn't very good? So can I 151 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,159 have my three grand back? So I can only infer from this that the 152 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,360 people who are not here are all the rich people who are who own the 153 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:01,039 properties and would have gone down now but haven't. And they and they can 154 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,679 take the hit because after all, they end the property and they're not paying 155 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,360 you know, they just think, well, so I will just go and 156 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:11,080 go to a beef for like like Tobians that given its shortcomings, how can 157 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:18,600 you keep returning well because well, because my relative has a flat here, 158 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:26,399 and I I know, I know all the cheats about. I know all 159 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:30,360 the things that I enjoy doing. So I like going bodyboarding on Bantham Beach. 160 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,039 But I like walking on the walks to the bolt Head Walk and the 161 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,279 and the prawl Point walks, which are which are the two coastal walks, 162 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,279 and you can stop off at beaches on the way. And I don't need 163 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,000 anything else. I don't need really to go into sort because Salt comes full 164 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,960 of yachts and I can't be dealing with the yachts because I never had the 165 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:54,200 training, I never had the machine. But a nice pubs, nice restaurants. 166 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:58,480 No, the pubs are all right, but they're a bit you've got. 167 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,039 You've got to queue up for your drinks. And the food and saltcomb 168 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,360 is notoriously rubbish. Right, there's one. There's one. Yeah, that's 169 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,519 but it's not really in tune with my diet at the moment. I'm not 170 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:18,840 supposed to eat stuff that's fried in hows the diet the Keto diet I've gone. 171 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:24,960 I'm now on the Cheeto diet, which is a bit keeto. But 172 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,840 but but cheating a lot. Yeah. So so today, for example, 173 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,720 I had for my breakfast, I had black pudding, which is a bit 174 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,919 cheaty because it's got bits in it bacon and egg, but no bread. 175 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,840 And then for lunch I had cheese and salami. And for supper, I'm 176 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,960 going to have chicken, so which is which is quite ketoi. Yeah, 177 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:52,919 okay, Well tonight I'm going out to dinner. The family is going out 178 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,039 to dinner with my mother in law, I want's mother, and we're going 179 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,679 to a vegan restaurant in Covend And we haven't broken it to the children yet 180 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:07,879 that that's where we're going because we anticipate an immediate rebellion. Who chose us? 181 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,039 Well, it's it's it's my mother in law's favorite restaurant. But what 182 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,960 she is? She a vegan? No, she's not. She's a vegetarian. 183 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,159 But apparently the food's very good. It kind of has to be, 184 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:22,440 doesn't it. I Mean, the only argument for being a vegan chap is 185 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,440 you've got to be so inventive that you push the boundaries of of so cool 186 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:33,159 plant based foods to new levels of kind of extraordinaries. But otherwise it will 187 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,840 be pointless, because veganism is pointless. That is evil, you know, 188 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:43,559 it's actually it's a protected belief now under the Equality Act. That's it's unlawful 189 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:52,440 for someone to well, for for your employer to discriminate against you because you've 190 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:58,159 expressed vegan beliefs or because you're a vegan. I would persecute any employees that 191 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,159 I had, if I had, she but I do. I do sort 192 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:05,200 of semi employees some people, and I would persecute them mercilessly if they if 193 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,200 they turned out to be vegans. But luckily they're not gould be. You 194 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:15,159 know what completely ruined my keito by the way, my wife took me too. 195 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,080 Have you ever been there, the manoir o cat says on I have, 196 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,600 yeah, yeah, yeah, but I haven't. I hadn't been there 197 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,360 since nineteen eighty seven when it was the end of it. After our we've 198 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,480 done our exams. Yeah, finals, that's that's the word. Yeah, 199 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,559 done our finals, and and we went my my my flat from eight to 200 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:39,799 six C Boundary Road. We all went there as a sort of sort of 201 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:45,600 group outing, and I remember vividly the embarrassment that you and Ferguson, who 202 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,759 was also in the Buller and obviously had been taught bad ways. You and 203 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:54,600 Ferguson threw a bread roll at a painting when he thought that the waiters weren't 204 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:56,360 looking just because it couldn't was just being naughty, and I was just thinking, 205 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:03,240 why can't we just enjoy our dinner anyway? Yes, So we had 206 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:04,799 the seven course taste of Many. I think everyone does, don't they. 207 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Yeah. I've had both the standard taste of Manu as well as the vegetarian 208 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:14,320 Tasting menu. I went there with my wife and to keep her company. 209 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,360 I think I had the vegetarian tasting menu along with her and wrote about it. 210 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,600 I was reviewing it for the Evening Standard. But that was pretty good, 211 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:26,039 but the non vegetarian tasting Many was better. Yeah, and then you 212 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,519 have the then you have the flight. So the flight of mines to a 213 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:36,159 company, I got completely hammered because they don't limit you to one glass of 214 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,840 each. They just can keep it poor, don't they. Yeah? So 215 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:45,679 what was the occasion? Our wife was doing something for country life? Okay, 216 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,960 okay, yeah, we journalist tast know we can't. We can't afford 217 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,679 the stuff in real life. But we did have a problem, which was 218 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,240 we weren't sure. We're not used to all that, those gaps in between 219 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,360 where you have to talk to each other. We couldn't think, what's rather 220 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,000 a conversation? Yeah, so we so we asked some advice from another couple 221 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,200 who are on another table. Who who there was? There was a guy 222 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:12,359 with a kind of a sort of sort of beard that would have got in 223 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,559 a place in the Taliban or in zz Top or something like that. And 224 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,559 it was great, the couple from from Shropshire. And I said, I'm 225 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:26,720 having trouble. What do I talk to my wife about? And and and 226 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,720 this man's wife said, what you do is you talk about you grade each 227 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,319 item on the menu, and you talk about that and you sort of try 228 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:40,480 and work out what the single best thing is of the night. Right, 229 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,160 But I was tipped by the end. I was too hammered to remember, 230 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,160 but it was. It was very good at the beginning. I do remember 231 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,599 that, you know they did things with a maccrel. I didn't you know. 232 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,759 Macwel is not my favorite fish, and this was kind of raw maccral. 233 00:17:52,160 --> 00:18:00,880 But it came with a I remembering now horse raddish sorbet and elderflower sort 234 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,119 of oil and it made the macral taste like not a shit fish, like 235 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,279 a really special fish. It was good. I suppose that's the RD cooking. 236 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:11,400 Isn't it like that vegan thing we mentioned earlier? Yes, well that 237 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,119 sounds delicious. I could. I could definitely eat some of that. So 238 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,880 are we going to do? Are we going to do the You're going to 239 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:25,240 do the advert first, and then we'll let's do the ad and then let's 240 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:30,440 break the news to the kids we delayed long enough. 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So, James, 257 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:52,720 I've been I've been finding very difficult not to slip out the news, 258 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,039 but I've been very very discreet, I mean, which is to say I 259 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,200 haven't mentioned Dick. I thought I thought i'd make it a shock, a 260 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:03,039 shock moment. Well, I think it'll be a shock for some and other 261 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:06,079 people will go, well, you know it's not before time. I saw 262 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,000 this one coming. I think, yeah, yeah, they're gone, and 263 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:15,079 tell tell the kids. Well, James and I mean Daddy have decided in 264 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:23,279 the most amicable way possible. We're having a trial separation, trial separation. 265 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,839 What was the what was the phrase that Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin used, 266 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,359 I can't remember now. Conscious conscious uncoupling, conscious uncoupling. I think this 267 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,400 is an unconscious uncoupling. I think. I think the bottom line is that 268 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:42,599 we're going to be drawing London Calling to a close, at least in its 269 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,759 present form. So this will be the last of London Calling episodes, and 270 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:55,880 its present form. We may return at regular intervals in which we just do 271 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:03,279 culture Corner, so holidays as well, we can talk about holiday. Yeah, 272 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,599 but we thought we might do that perhaps once a month instead of once 273 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,400 a week. They're also on the Ricochete platform, but we decided that. 274 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:19,799 Well. I think it's partly that we just seem to be constantly having the 275 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:27,559 same argument over and over again in a way that probably isn't terribly interesting for 276 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:36,599 most of our listeners. Musical differences, Yes, I suppose. I suppose 277 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,400 one worried that I have and you may have this too, is that if 278 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:48,519 we continue to have this same old argument over and over again, sometimes you 279 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:57,240 know, descending into slight sort of you know, vitriol, vitriol and kind 280 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:03,240 of hot tempers snark, Yes, that it could. It could put a 281 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,720 strain on our friendship, and we don't want to fall out. We don't 282 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,400 want to fall out. We want to remain friends forever. So we think 283 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:17,480 it might be sensible to to draw London Calling in its present form to a 284 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:19,160 close. What do you think that? Do you think people are going to 285 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,960 be upsets? Because because I mentioned it to a wife and she said, 286 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,640 yeah, but there were people who who would love London Calling, and you 287 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,279 know, like she just she'd just been for for coffee with a garden photographer 288 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,839 that works with her and he's a big fan of London Calling. So I 289 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,920 suppose there are going to be people out there. I wonder whether they're going 290 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,920 to be more who are happy that it's ending than a sad What do you 291 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:52,240 think, Well, I think I think I think I think probably people will 292 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:55,599 be divided into different camps. I think there will be some people, you 293 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:02,240 know, who are happy that they'll cite it as evidence that, you know, 294 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:11,640 two dogged opponents of the lockdown and other pandemic COVID related restrictions have fallen 295 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,880 out. So I guess it's possible that you know, it will cause a 296 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:21,079 degree of jubilation amongst the evil one, amongst lockdown zealots and vaccine zealots, 297 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,880 and listen to us, they probably don't listen to I guess. I think, 298 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,680 I think, But I think our core audience will probably be divided between 299 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:37,000 those who think it's probably the right time. It is slightly boring listening to 300 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,000 them argue about the same things every week. They often seem to be talking 301 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,880 past each other. They're clearly not going to persuade each other of the merits 302 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,359 of their respective positions. So maybe it's sensible to kind of end it now 303 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:53,559 before it does descend into kind of a proper quarrel. But then I think 304 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,079 there will be people, as you say, who have who have been listening 305 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:03,200 for years and who sort of depend on their weekly dose and think of it 306 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,680 almost like you know, hearing two old friends chatting in a bar that they 307 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,720 enjoy. Yeah, like the man who wrote the article about us, yeah, 308 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,079 the National Review, Yeah American, Yes, Yeah. I think I 309 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,480 think my biggest worry Gems is that, you know what that Chap said in 310 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:29,359 his review, He said, this is actually a really important podcast because here 311 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,039 you have two people who disagree about one of the most fundamental issues of our 312 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,279 time, like many other people, and they're modeling how you can disagree about 313 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:42,000 that issue and not fall out. And that's extremely helpful both for friends and 314 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,240 for couples who are having that argument all the time. And he knows, 315 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,359 he said, lots of friendship groups that have kind of been torn asunder, 316 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:56,319 even marriages split apart by disagreeing on that issue. And so it's really it's 317 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,680 kind of, you know, we are couples therapists, we are we are 318 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,799 model how to disagree about this fundamental issue without falling out, And so if 319 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:10,880 it sounds like we've now fallen out, then that therapeutic value will be, 320 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,160 you know, lost. So I think it's important we should stress that we 321 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:15,960 haven't fallen out. And I guess, you know, I guess maybe. 322 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:22,000 But to couples who are still arguing, would that you're right that we haven't 323 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:27,640 fallen out. We're still friends. But I that's the upside. The downside. 324 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,799 The depressing thing is that I think we've demonstrated that they can never be 325 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,880 any meeting of minds between normies and those who are down the rabbit hole. 326 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:42,000 It's it's one or the other. You can't you can't stand astride those two 327 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:51,960 positions because the chasm is is so so great and probably ever ever ever widening. 328 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,480 I mean, I don't think that I used to because the people on 329 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,839 Team James who say to me, I don't know why you talked to that 330 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,119 cuck. He's a you know, he's controlled opposition at best, or you 331 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,720 know, gatekeeper at best control opposition, or working for the enemy at the 332 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,680 worst, and you know, you know, end it now. And I 333 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,759 say, no, that's not that, you know, don't be silly, 334 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,400 that's nonsense. But then there are other people who who take the view, 335 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:27,119 which is rather my view, that this London calling was a kind of gateway 336 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,559 drug, whereby I would be every week I would introduce, in my very 337 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,400 subtle way, just delicately and just lately seasoned my comments with a few so 338 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:45,440 called conspiracy theories, and and people who were originally Team Tobes would gradually go 339 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:52,119 the second building seven eighth, yeah, or Paul, yes, he does 340 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,359 look a bit different in the photographs pre nineteen sixty six, you know, 341 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,799 And and gradually they would they would be on the on the road to enlightenment. 342 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:06,559 I've never ever, for one second had that impression with you that that 343 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:17,440 it's it's like chucking it's like chucking bits of of murder to wall and and 344 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880 just none of them ever stick. You know, you thought at least one 345 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,880 of them would have stuck. Maybe maybe it would have been You're pearls, 346 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,319 pearls before swine. No, no, no, no, it's it's because 347 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:33,799 what I what I've learned, is is that there's a kind of when you're 348 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:42,039 stuck in the normally paradigm, you are so wedded to it emotionally, intellectually 349 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:48,200 that whenever any aspect of this paradigm is challenged, your your response is not 350 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:52,480 to go, oh, I'm looking too that. It's it's it's like to 351 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:57,279 put up yet further defensive walls. And and I'm not blaming you for this, 352 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,640 because I think you that the thing that we play out every week is 353 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,599 being played out across the country in households where where people like me, the 354 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:15,599 kind of the rabbit hole element in the relationship wants desperately to truth bomb the 355 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,880 normal, which is you into all that, into all the stuff that they 356 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,559 know to be true, and the normal has yet to learn. And we 357 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,880 think, if only we can, we can present a few more a few 358 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:34,599 more facts killer facts, they'll go, wow, I've been deceived all along. 359 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,160 But that never happens. There are different ways of doing it, and 360 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,440 I haven't worked out what it is because I'm I'm I'm very much like it 361 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,400 is person rather than the kind of subtly ask a few questions. But maybe 362 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,960 that's the game. That's what you should do. You should subtly ask a 363 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,359 few questions and then let the Tobes in the relationship and you know, let 364 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,720 mummy find out on her own rather than you you forcing her to that position. 365 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,440 But it's certainly never going to work where I mean, not nothing I've 366 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,279 ever said ever Tobes has it has ever kind of caused you to question your 367 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,359 paradigm. It's just like, you know, I'm just a crazy basically as 368 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:15,400 far as your concern, well, I think I've always stuck pretty fast to 369 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:22,359 my cock up theory and well it's not yours, it's I mean, it's 370 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,119 it's a bit of a cliche of of of of normals. It's like, 371 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:33,000 you know, well, but there's no law that theory law is it? 372 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:40,960 I think what that that? What can be that there is an ex Scanlon's 373 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:44,559 law that what the thing is called scanaling. But but somebody like that, 374 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,400 I think it wasn't let's look it up. I think it was what hang 375 00:29:49,519 --> 00:30:00,160 on never attribute to Yeah, what can never attribute to conspiracy? What be 376 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,519 explained by stupidity or something that I think it's you know, I think it's 377 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:08,200 Handland's law, Hanlon's law. Yeah, so just very everything into malice that 378 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:14,160 which can be adequately explained by neglect or stupidity, Handland's razor. Yeah. 379 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,000 Yeah, Now I've heard you site that, and I did write, and 380 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,359 I was inspired to write an essay on this on my substack, about Handlon 381 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,839 and about the background to that spread. Doogy anyway? Sorry carrying again? 382 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Yeah? No, I think, yeah, no, but I do think 383 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:41,599 that your your your speculations about the pandemic, about whether it was planned, 384 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:51,640 and yeah, the various evidence you've marshaled to try and persuade me that it 385 00:30:51,880 --> 00:31:00,839 was planned, and how that can explain various otherwise anomalous things that happened afterwards. 386 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,119 I think I think lots of our listeners did find that quite persuasive, 387 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,839 and we're probably minded to believe that anywhere and enjoyed being furnished with the evidence 388 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,799 that they could then cite in conversations in the pubs or in arguments with their 389 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,160 partner. But I think what a lot of people say to me is that 390 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,359 they initially found you quite persuasive, and they were sort of wavering between Team 391 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,680 Toby and Team James. But since you've gone down a lot of other rabbit 392 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:37,440 holes, things like dinosaurs and the fake Paul McCartney and chem trails and so 393 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:42,160 forth, they've they've they've they've sort of parted company with you, and they 394 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:48,039 find you. I don't know whether that means they've found your initial theories about 395 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:55,200 the plandemic thereby less credible, but they have sort of said they were wavering, 396 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,799 but now they're Team Toby, because to be Team James needs to require 397 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:07,519 you to believe not just one conspiracy theory, but a dozen't I I hear 398 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:16,960 this, this this theory being being positive that that it seems to be very 399 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:28,559 reductive and very a not very deep in its understanding of how people think and 400 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,960 how they how they behave. I think that most people are perfectly capable of 401 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:39,960 looking at somebody's opinions in the round and going, well, yeah, I 402 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,000 agree with them on that one, but not on this one. It's not 403 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,839 like, oh, if you it's the Hitler dogs theory. You know, 404 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,559 just because just because Hitler like likes dogs doesn't mean that dogs are evil. 405 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,680 It's I mean, that's the that's the shorthand version. And but I suppose 406 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,519 it was required to be on one team or the other. They kind of 407 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,160 think, well, to describe myself now as team James, do I have 408 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,440 to think that dinosaurs were a hoax? Well, I've never I've never made 409 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,519 that a requirement of admission, nor have I made it a requirement admission that 410 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,039 you that you are a Christian or that you believe in I think that if 411 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:21,039 you're lacking the Christian understanding of the world, you are missing a key dimension. 412 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,559 But I think that the world is perfectly explicable, or what's going on 413 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,279 in the world is perfectly explicable in non Christian terms. You don't need to 414 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,480 invoke the devil. I would, well, James, I think I think 415 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,119 another another kind of defense you could make is that it may sound like, 416 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:45,480 you know, to you the listener who's not immersed in these subject areas, 417 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:52,440 that I'm just kind of subscribing to a number of unrelated conspiracy theories. But 418 00:33:52,640 --> 00:34:00,480 actually the truth is when you look into these various areas, you'll find that, 419 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:07,720 actually, my theories about what's really going on beneath the surface are connected. 420 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,840 And I think you're sort of often you sound as though you're on the 421 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,960 kind of cusp or at least you're appealing to but not quite articulating a kind 422 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,079 of grand, unified conspiracy theory which explains all of these odd things. Oh 423 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,920 yeah, no, And I think that that that's another that that's another response 424 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,599 available to you. And actually, I think my advice to you is you 425 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,199 should write a book. And maybe you're already, but I think you should 426 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,480 write a book in which you pull all these different strings together and kind of, 427 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:45,360 you know, turn them into a kind of grand, overarching hypothesis about 428 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,800 what's really going on and who's behind it. And I agree, And you 429 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,480 could give and it could you know, you could link it to, you 430 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:57,079 know, the kind of spiritual struggle rooted in kind of Christianity and its enemies. 431 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,519 I have sometimes sought to explain to you, I this is a classic 432 00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:05,559 case of us talking over one another, because I think I have made the 433 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,000 point that you think I should have made several times. I don't think you 434 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,400 were listening that that when when you when you've put it to me that that 435 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,679 I seem to have embraced every conspiracy theory going and it is there a conspiracy 436 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,159 theory that I that I've heard that I haven't I haven't believed. And it's 437 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:27,400 what it comes down to is that all these all these these these sac called 438 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000 conspiracy theories. I mean, I hate using the phrase because it was invented 439 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,039 by the CIA to discredit them. But but let's let's call it, call 440 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:37,440 it, call them that for the sake of argument, all of them require 441 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,400 examination on a case by case basis. That it's it's not like no one 442 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:47,280 is required to to believe that man has never been to the moon and automatically 443 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,400 believed that Paul McCartney was assassinated in nineteen sixty six and placed by a doppleganger. 444 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:57,400 And it doesn't work like that. But what happens is that once you 445 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,800 start looking into these things, having previously lived in a world like like I 446 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,679 did, I mean, I was once, as you are, Tobes, 447 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:10,800 I was once I had a kind of a sort of an inbuilt mental disinclination, 448 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,519 let's say, like a sort of force field which which I didn't feel 449 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,360 anyone was telling me not to examine these things, but I did feel that 450 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,519 one shouldn't because this was an area that I didn't want to go in. 451 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:25,239 And it was never explained why we're just sort of encouraged not to not to 452 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,159 investigate, you know, whenever whenever anyone mentioned building seven, for example, 453 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,599 and I just go, well, I don't I don't care about Building seven. 454 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,360 You know, it's obvious that Osama bin Laden is a body, and 455 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,960 that that et cetera, et cetera. And what happens is that when you 456 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,920 start looking at these these various conspiracy theories, you know, you look at 457 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,199 one and you discover, to your great surprise, there's lots of evidence supporting 458 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,480 that the crazies world view. And then then you move on to the next 459 00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:58,239 one and you realize, well, hang on a second, there's a lot 460 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,760 of evidence for this as well, and this one, this one too. 461 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,880 And what you realize gradually is that the the m o, the murdus operandi 462 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,559 of the people who are behind these things is always the same. It's always 463 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:22,159 about I mean, the fingerprints always include discrediting of brutal discrediting of anyone who 464 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:30,519 who questions the paradigm. It includes the use of the or abuse of the 465 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:37,360 of the media to portray a the official line. There's always the official line, 466 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:45,239 there's always the cover explanation, which is reinforced. I mean, I 467 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,639 can't go into all the all the details of the similarities, but but it's 468 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,599 like you get a point where you don't need to look at much of the 469 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:58,360 evidence because it's so obvious that the fingerprints that it's a bit like a serial 470 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,239 killers, you know, the calling card. You suddenly realized that the techniques 471 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,639 actually which brings me too. I imagine this is a subject that that would 472 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,360 will again divide us greatly and that you will take a completely different line from 473 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,239 me. What is your view about the Maui what's happened in Maui, which 474 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,920 is the biggest story I think in the week in the news. Have you 475 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,880 been following it? Uh? Not? Not not closely? I have. 476 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:34,760 I have noted that some people think the fires were caused deliberately, Yeah, 477 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:44,840 by a not are not by arsonists, but by dark forces. Don't you 478 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,159 know what they're called? Do you know how that what what the what the 479 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:53,960 theory is? Tell me what the theory is? That? Okay? So 480 00:38:54,119 --> 00:39:02,239 so we've we've got Maui, lovely Island in Hawaii, which has suffered these 481 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,280 devastating fires. I mean, i'd have interested. What do you think caused 482 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,119 the fires? I think ninety and more people have died so far, millions 483 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,599 of dollars worth of properties have been destroyed, boats, people's livelihoods trashed, 484 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,480 lots of lots of animals have died horribly. But but the people are obviously 485 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:23,480 it's even worse. I mean, do you have it? Do you have 486 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:29,639 any take one? I don't. I don't have any theories. So obviously 487 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,880 the I said, there's always an official media narrative, and the official media 488 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,039 narrative is inevitably you can guess, can't you what caused the wildfires, because 489 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:43,880 it's what always causes the wildfires, climate changing, climate change. So so 490 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,119 then you go, okay, well, suppose, okay, suppose it was 491 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:52,960 climate change. When when when before have we had an example of these kind 492 00:39:52,039 --> 00:40:00,480 of devastating fires which appear from nowhere and destroy row upon on a row of 493 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:06,159 cars in a uniform way, and they destroy them in in a in a 494 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,800 in a way which is it doesn't look natural. So for example, all 495 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,760 the handles on the on the on the on the car doors have been burned 496 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:21,000 off, the glass has been been burned out. That if this had been 497 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,360 a natural event caused by I don't know what, what, how would it 498 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:29,559 happen sparks from from how would how would the fire have broken out? Just 499 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,679 like incredible heat that would have suddenly caused the brush the brush to catch fire 500 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,159 or what something like that, I imagine, But that if you look at 501 00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:45,880 the footage of the damage suffered by the houses, it makes no sense. 502 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,760 On the cars, So you've got the cars, row upon row of cars 503 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,679 being being being completely burned out. You've got trees which somehow remain intact. 504 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,639 You've got certain properties that the properties are the super rich in the area, 505 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:08,960 which have been mysteriously unscathed, and inevitably you start asking, well, hang 506 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:13,440 on a second, what could this doesn't look natural because it isn't natural. 507 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,039 So people have been analyzing this and they say, this is not this is 508 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:22,599 not climate change. This this is directed energy weapons which have been available for 509 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,880 to the powers that be for a very long time. I mean, there 510 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:34,639 are institutions which which that the US military has access to them. There's an 511 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,119 institution called Harp h Arp which specializes in this this this kind of thing, 512 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:46,679 and this seems to me the most likely explanation for what's going on. You're 513 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:52,159 probably not aware because you because you haven't looked into it. That the area 514 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,320 that the epicenter of this, this supposed natural climate driven disaster is an area 515 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:06,039 where a lot of property is owned by Native Hawaiians, you know, the 516 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:10,360 original people who lived in Hawaii before the kind of the white skinned Americans sort 517 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,440 of came along and annexed it. They've been the developers have tried to move 518 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,800 them out of the out of their place, and they they recognize the value 519 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,159 of their property. They want they wanted held on. This looks very much 520 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,519 like they've been burned out of their out of their properties because they refused to 521 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,800 move. There are other tells as well. The governor, the governor of 522 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,199 Hawaii who's called whose surname is green, by the way, is a is 523 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:42,639 a raging world economic forum, lunatic. So there there are different angles you 524 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,880 look at. Look at the Look at the nature of the fire, which 525 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,679 is unlike anything that could be caused caused by by nature. Look at the 526 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,719 background motivations of the possible explanations as to why this this has been done. 527 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,800 Namely, people have been deliberately burned out of their homes because they don't want 528 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,199 to do it. There's the green agenda. So but I'm assuming you think 529 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,519 that this is just like another of those crazy things that would never happen because 530 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:15,039 because you want to live in your nice world where people don't do such things, 531 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:20,039 that people don't have such powers. Well, I mean, I'm I'm 532 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,880 at a disadvantage because I haven't. I haven't been following the story that closely. 533 00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:29,280 So Joe Biden, by the way, did you see that I did? 534 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,039 Yeah, I did hear he said no comment when he was But I 535 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:42,440 mean, I think it looks like the fires in Greece in roads were caused 536 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:50,599 by arsonists. So it's it's possible that the fires in Hawaii were deliberately caused. 537 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,840 Whether they were caused by energy weapons, I don't know. That sounds 538 00:43:54,199 --> 00:44:00,719 a little bit implausible. How is it implaus blood of interest? Did you 539 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,320 believe that the technology doesn't exist? Or what do you think that the authority 540 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,679 nine they'll never do it? It's not well, what is your theory? 541 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,840 Who do you think wielded the weapons and on whose behalf were they wielding them 542 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:22,119 as as ever with with the with the exact nature of the powers that be, 543 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:30,440 you don't know who gives the orders and how it works. But generally, 544 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:37,320 look just the quick kind of TLDR of my theories, all all the 545 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,480 intelligence agencies in the world, So all the three letter agencies, whether the 546 00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,960 ones we see celebrated and James Bond movies are the ones celebrated, you know, 547 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,360 like three Days of the condor whatever, the CIA, or the Israeli 548 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,960 ones, or the America, I mean, you name them, the German 549 00:44:55,039 --> 00:45:00,320 ones. They're all basically working not for us, not for you and me, 550 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,360 not for the ordinary people. They're not protecting us. They are there 551 00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:07,800 to look after the interests of the people who run the world. So we're 552 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:13,559 talking about the super rich. We're talking about I mean, people are unimaginably 553 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,519 rich. The people who are now, the people who are on the Committee 554 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:23,880 of three hundred, the Trilateral Commission, the Builderberg, these these elite families 555 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:30,079 which have always run the world. They are ultimately they are in the end 556 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,159 in the end game now of the war on people like you and me. 557 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:38,039 They have they have they have the technology at their disposal. They've got they've 558 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:43,119 persuaded us all to carry around these little spy devices which we think of as 559 00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,559 our entertainment and communication devices, which they know they're to control us. They're 560 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:52,440 wanting to keep us in our fifteen minute cities. They are they want to 561 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,519 stop us traveling. They're gonna stop us traveling, and they're going to use 562 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:01,639 use excuses like climate change and oh, pandemic to justify that. They're going 563 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:07,360 to they're going to inject us with with ever more toxic substances. They're poisoning 564 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,039 our water. So this is this is just another power play of theirs. 565 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:16,199 They are. They are burning out part of Hawaii because they want to confiscate 566 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:22,400 people's private, private property and and redesignated it that for their own purposes. 567 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:30,159 They want to advance the green agenda. They want to I mean, these 568 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,320 people are I keep saying it. Maybe they're they're evil. They do not 569 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,280 have to have our best interests at heart, And often it sounds like you're 570 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,119 just sort of saying they're doing evil because they're evil. There isn't any no, 571 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,679 no, They're doing evil because because that is the nature of that is 572 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,679 nature of the world. I mean, I think it. I think it's 573 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,159 well, I think if you do, if you do, if you do 574 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,079 write the book, I think it should write. So I think it could 575 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:57,239 be an international best seller. I think you're going to need to come up 576 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,480 with a kind of the kernel of the kind of grand unified conspiracy. Theory 577 00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:08,199 has to be a theory about what it is this cabal of all powerful people, 578 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,639 the three hundred, the people in build Aberg, the Trilateral Commission, 579 00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:17,599 what what their agenda is and why these various disasters and things that are happening 580 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:24,079 which we have to kind of cock up and happenstance and bad life. Yeah, 581 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,800 you need, you need. That's always always I've always felt that that 582 00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:32,360 that bit is the bit that's been missing from from from from from all your 583 00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:36,599 theories. Well, because they take the moon landings. Why because it's the 584 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,920 last replaced bullmanccartney with somebody else, et cetera. It's I'm not saying it's 585 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,000 beyond the realm's possiblity. You can come up with a convincing theory, but 586 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,039 you need that that there's a kind of lacuna at the moment the heart of 587 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:52,000 your theory. So here we are, so because it's our last show, 588 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,000 Well, I last, you know, show about this kind of thing. 589 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,880 It works on on on two levels. There is the spiritual level, which 590 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,719 is for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against 591 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,559 powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness 592 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:14,000 and high places. What's being what's being played out now, is a battle 593 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,679 between between the forces of good and the forces of darkness, and the which 594 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:22,360 is which is? Which has been going going over over thousands of years. 595 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,320 I mean since since since the creation of of the world, since the creation 596 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,519 of man certainly, or at least no earlier than that, since since the 597 00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:37,239 fall, since since Lucifer was was was cast out of out of heaven, 598 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,159 and there has been a battle ever since and the dark forces. But I 599 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,639 mean, this is all. This is all in the Bible. I'm not 600 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,719 I'm not saying anything that is not that is that is kind of outre as 601 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:58,360 far as believing Christians are concerned. In the New Testament that it describes Satan 602 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,400 as the god of this world, and and and that is essentially the system 603 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,440 we're living in. We're living in the best system. Every everyone to a 604 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:10,440 degree, has to has to make moral compromises in order to accommodate themselves with 605 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:17,760 a system which is essentially not geared towards the Christian values, but essentially towards 606 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:24,360 breed, lust, etc. Et cetera. And we all have different ways 607 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,280 of making accommodations with the system. Some of us find ways of of of 608 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,079 living outside it as best we can, but most people eventually succumb. So 609 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,480 that's the that's the kind of the spiritual explanation, that the forces of the 610 00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:50,039 fallen angels hate God and they take vengeance on God by by punishing man who 611 00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:52,559 God made in his image. I mean, that's that's the thing, and 612 00:49:53,000 --> 00:50:00,559 that's that's that's so that's the spiritual explanation. But the material explanation, which 613 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:06,039 works as well, is that there are these old, old, old old 614 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:15,360 families who have whose power base stretches back to Pharaonic times and Babylonian times, 615 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:22,840 who maintain there's a very few of them, and there's lots of us, 616 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:28,519 and obviously if they played their cards wrong, we would easily overwhelm them because 617 00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,559 there were so many of them, so many more of us than there are 618 00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:37,920 of them. Yeah, the way that they maintain their power base is essentially 619 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:45,880 through a form of magic, and the magic is partly about illusion, deception, 620 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,920 in other words, making us understand the world to be one thing and 621 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:55,280 not realizing how the world really is. So this is why I'm so skeptical, 622 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,599 for example, of the media, I'm so skeptical of the entertainment industry, 623 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,800 of the music industry, because all these are ways of misdirecting us, 624 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,760 of leading us astray, of telling us false stories in order for them to 625 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,519 get away with murder. I mean, imagine for a moment, Imagine if 626 00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,159 if, if, if you and all our other listeners and everyone around the 627 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,719 world woke up and realize, hang on a second, there are evil people 628 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,039 in this world who aren't killing people in Hawaii killed them this week. Yeah, 629 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,480 all the animals as well that you saw kind of in their death throws. 630 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,719 But all these people who've had their livelihoods destroyed, their properties destroyed, 631 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:39,000 they've they've been murdered literally by by these evil forces using using this military technology 632 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,800 which has been kept secret. This is outrageous. We are not going to 633 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,199 stand for this. Imagine if everyone rose up. But no, doesn't work 634 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:51,039 like that. Most people, if they even at all interested in what's happened 635 00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:54,639 in Mary will go Yeah, but it's it's probably climate change, because because 636 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,519 David Attenborough says that climate change is real and actually it's awful. We've got 637 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:07,000 to we've got we've got to get used to taking fewer holidays because if we 638 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,519 don't, then more places like Mammy going to burn down. So they get 639 00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:16,639 away with murder by lying to us. Okay, But if this kind of 640 00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:27,880 small group of powerful dynastic families who've been around since fornic times, have essentially 641 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:34,639 been ruling the earth for more than two millennia, getting away with it through 642 00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:42,199 smoke and mirrors and the ruthless exercise of power, why the need to suddenly 643 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,760 escalate things, Why the need to you know, invent in your view, 644 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,440 is the myth of climate change. Why use these energy weapons to incinerate people 645 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:58,199 in Hawaii? Why unleash a fake pandemic, Why then roll out the death 646 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,519 jab and so on and so forth? I mean, why why would they 647 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:07,239 do things that that one would would would think would risk there. Why not 648 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,880 just sit back and enjoy the same privilege as they've enjoyed for since the beginning 649 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:22,320 of time, Because very simply, what's happening now is the result of of 650 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:27,960 decades of planning. There's a very you should listen to my latest podcast with 651 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:35,960 Either Cummins where we talk about this and he's he's not a he's not nearly 652 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,559 as are you family with either he was, he was, he was, 653 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,480 Yeah, he's not nearly as down the rabbit hole as me. He's very, 654 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,400 very careful to make sure that there are receipts for all the things he 655 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:50,480 claims, and he did. He did a very interesting podcast with with some 656 00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:54,000 kind of Swedish guy which which we sort of we sort of gave an edited 657 00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:00,960 version of in in my podcast. And in the case of climate change and 658 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,199 to degree the pandemic, he traced it back to the to the influence of 659 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,320 the Rockefeller family. Now you think about JD. Rockefeller when he was around, 660 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,000 you know, standard a standard oil was was was a monopoly that people 661 00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:23,800 were worried about in the early, very early twentieth century. And Rockefeller's five 662 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,519 sons were you know, I mean, they're quite old. I think David 663 00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,800 David Rockefeller for example, is long since dead. So these guys, if 664 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,559 they're around, they're they're very very old. Now I think most of them 665 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:40,360 are dead, but they were the ones who set the planet in motion, 666 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,559 particularly to make climate change a thing. Climate change was never a thing before. 667 00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:51,679 And the reason that they chose climate change and the reason they chose viral 668 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:58,559 outbreaks or whatever, is because both of those things are they they cross borders. 669 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:06,000 They are they they are they justify supernational regulation and one world government, 670 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,400 which is essentially what they wanted. So they brought up the they created that. 671 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,000 The Rockefell has created, the League of Nations, which later became the 672 00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:21,239 United Nations. They created the World Health Organization. They funded all these institutions 673 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,840 in order to get where we are now. Now you think about how far 674 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,559 back that goes, at least until the nineteen fifties, probably the nineteen forties. 675 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,920 So everything that's been panned out now, even even little details like the 676 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,760 creation of these little symbols of the climate change movement like Greta, Greta Thunberg 677 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,360 and stuff, these are these are all part of the psychological operation. It's 678 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,440 it's not as though the science told us that climate change is a thing we 679 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,440 should all worry about, and then then it got bigger and bigger as people 680 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,599 became aware of it. On the contrary, the science was never telling us 681 00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:01,079 this. What happened was that some very very rich, cynical people decided where 682 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:05,639 they wanted to take the world. They decided they wanted to find ways of 683 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,280 overregulating us and enslaving us. And they realize that that the climate change and 684 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,199 pandemics will be a good way of doing so. So listen to that podcast. 685 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,239 Yeah, we can't obviously argue out here because because you you won't have 686 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,119 all the details at your disposal. But it's but I think it might be 687 00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:28,280 an eye opener for you because because it sounds incredible, but it is that 688 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:34,559 is it is evidenced. Okay, all right, James, should we should 689 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:39,880 we move on to culture corner? I think because we're we've I've got to 690 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,079 leave the house in twenty minutes to get to dinner with my mother in law. 691 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:51,519 So as I said, I saw, I guess it's missing Impossible Sevening 692 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,000 Part one. It is seven. Yeah, I mean I think it is. 693 00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:55,920 I think I think, i'm i'm, i'm, i'm I'm willing to 694 00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:01,360 chance my arm and say it is. I think the best Hollywood franchise in 695 00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:05,119 history. I can't think of a better one. I think it's better in 696 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,280 terms of quality than the Bond franchise. Bond is quite hit and miss. 697 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,760 Even the best Bonds are nowhere near as good or not quite as good as 698 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,840 the best of the Mission Impossible films. And unlike the Bond films where you're 699 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,960 expected to kind of suspend disbelief when one actor is kind of carted off to 700 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,360 the Knacker's yard and replaced with someone slightly younger, we're, in Roger Moore's 701 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,800 case, slightly older. It's Tom Cruise all the way. And I don't 702 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,719 suppose the franchise will outlive Tom when he can no longer do his own stunts. 703 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,400 That'll be when the franchise has retired. They're not going to replace him 704 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,000 with a woman or an African American, at least I don't think they are. 705 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:49,039 Anyway, it's consistently I think, you know, the best kind of 706 00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:53,360 action thriller of the year whenever it's released. I thought four, I mean, 707 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:59,920 Mission Impossible one I loved, but two two was the weakest. One, 708 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:05,840 Three was okay. Four was an out and out masterpiece. It's amazing. 709 00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,480 I'm amazing you know this stuff? How many a differentiate between them? 710 00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:15,280 They would just all be so many times? Really Wow? Yeah, and 711 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:21,880 so different. Sustaining sustaining that level of quality over seven films, it's really 712 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,840 difficult. You know, with most franchises there are diminishing returns. You know, 713 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,880 I think we're we've got it Screamed seven to look forward to this summer. 714 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,280 Later this summer, I don't suppose that will be nearly as good as 715 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,599 Scream one. The Star Trek films the gap, but this is the really 716 00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:39,519 boot. The gap between Star Trek one and Star Trek three is enormous. 717 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:44,960 It's a huge gulf. But you know, Mission Impossible seven it's certainly better, 718 00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,280 I think, than the first Mission Impossible film, and perhaps up there 719 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:52,840 maybe the second best in the entire franchise. So it's quite an achievement. 720 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:59,719 And I think ultimately testimony to Tom Cruise, who you know, clearly knows 721 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,840 how to pick talent and how to cultivate talent, and once he's found someone 722 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,880 he likes working with and he's clearly very talented, he's very good at maintaining 723 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,199 that relationship, which is why the same kind of core cast has been in 724 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:15,920 all those films he's made, the last three with Christopher mcquarie. And Yeah, 725 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,800 anyway, I really liked it. It's really entertaining. It's easily the 726 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,280 best film I've seen this year. It's like almost like a non stop kind 727 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:31,079 of action sequence. It's just one action sequence seamlessly blending into another, each 728 00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:36,039 more exciting than the last. Yeah, the first one was directed by Brian 729 00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:38,679 de Palmer, who's kind of like Hitchcock's Air when it comes to being a 730 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:44,119 master of suspense. But that suspense element has been in all of the films. 731 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,840 There's something rather charming about seven. Then it's almost like a throwback to 732 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,760 those kind of Cold war thrillers starring you know, Carrie Grant and Audrey Hepburn 733 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,199 or whoever. Bit like north By Northwest, a bit like Charade. So 734 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,000 there's a kind of flirtation between Haley Atwell, who plays a kind of international 735 01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:07,159 thief, and the Tom Cruise character Ethan Hunt, which is very reminiscent of 736 01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:10,559 those kind of Cold war comedy thrillers. So it's got that nice, kind 737 01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:15,039 of old fashioned kind of dimension to it, but it's also the kind of 738 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:22,199 spectacular kind of action sequences are just breathtaking, and two promises to be even 739 01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:27,519 better than one, And it's very cutting edge in that it's the enemy is 740 01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,559 a rogue AI called the Entity. So you'd quite like it, James, 741 01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:36,360 I mean quite a lot of it. Kind of you'd think, aha, 742 01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:39,679 you know, well, you know why, Terbs. It's called predictive programming. 743 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:45,519 It's what they do they before. But yeah, so the American military 744 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,760 in this film, the American kind of military industrial complex, has created this 745 01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:54,840 AI that they think they can use to kind of sabotage their enemies weapons, 746 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,760 and of course it goes rogue and poses a threat to the United States. 747 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000 All the different world powers are kind of competing with each other to try and 748 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,559 get hold of this key, which will enable them to control the Entity and 749 01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:12,719 thereby achieved dominion over every other country. And Ethan Hunt wants to find the 750 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,960 keys that he can destroy the Entity and save human kind from these power crazed 751 01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,239 kind of people, some of whom have worked for the CIA or the US 752 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,559 government. So there are no there are there are very few. The only 753 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:27,559 goodie in the film is Ethan Hunt. Every state actor is more or less 754 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,840 a baddie. And yeah, but it's it's it's really good. Highly recommended. 755 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,639 I loved it. Oh well good, I'm well I've finished off well 756 01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:45,000 as far as I could get into the new Martin Miller or Netflix Eligido the 757 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:51,119 Chosen one. It's good. I'm really looking forward to seeing the other the 758 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:54,639 other three episodes. But but it's kind of annoying because I've I've read I've 759 01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:59,400 read the series, and I mean, it really goes. It goes full 760 01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:06,440 full team James at the end. Absolutely it is about revelation and about the 761 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,159 Second Coming and all all the things that that I'm kind of not really looking 762 01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:17,079 forward to but kind of I'm expecting. Yeah, I've well, having been 763 01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:22,880 left bereft by having finished Anna Karen, now I realized that I had not 764 01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:30,480 finished reading another great Russian novel. I was halfway through, which is Go 765 01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:38,039 Gol's Dead Souls. It was Go Go anyway, and it's it's earlier than 766 01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:45,480 told story. And what's great about Google Google whatever? I think it's good 767 01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:47,519 is go? How do you pronounce it? I think it? We don't. 768 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,119 We haven't nextually and all the Russian Russian listeners are just hissing at this 769 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:58,719 point. So stupid that and I felt I feel this a lot with the 770 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:06,480 Russians. It's that they are somehow unconstrained by by spend back worries about how 771 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:08,159 to write books, they just go ahead and write write them. It's the 772 01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:14,639 same with with Lermontov's Hero of Our Time. They write in a way that 773 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,159 is remarkably modern and experimental because no one has ever told them the rules, 774 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,880 and as a result, they just forge their own way. It's a joy 775 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,000 to read. It's it's it's like they're just enjoying the business of writing, 776 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,559 and you the reader enjoys it too. So I just think the Russians are 777 01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:36,320 the best. They it's kind of embarrassing. I mean, I probably the 778 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,280 French. French second best, maybe we're third, because I mean, I 779 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,599 can't be doing I know you love Dickens, but I really can't be asked 780 01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,400 for Dickens. And Stephen Fly loves Dickens. I mean, what does that 781 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,400 say about Dickens? He says, the Dickens is crowd Basically, well, 782 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,119 it sounds yeah, well, Dead Soul sounds better than book one of the 783 01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:03,119 Starbuck Chronicles, which is what I'm listening to. It's it's rather disappointing. 784 01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:08,320 It's it's certainly the weakest of all Bernard Corbe's books. I was I was 785 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,679 so about to I was about to start listening. Actually, I wasn't on 786 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,360 listening to Phineas Reducts at the moment, right, Okay, yeah, that's 787 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,840 much better. I think I'm looking forward to returning to Trollop and I've got 788 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:25,000 to the end of Rebel, part one of the Starbuck Chronicles. Yeah, 789 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:31,039 I've also I download I've downloaded a talking book version of War and Peace. 790 01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:39,760 You would please to hear no an, who's the talker? Yes? Who 791 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,480 is it? I want if it's the same one? As you hang on 792 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:54,239 a second. This is audible translated by Louis Mold Part one, chapter one. 793 01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:57,840 Doesn't say it that he doesn't say who he's reading. It, doesn't 794 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,800 say he's ashamed. But it's rated by David Horowitz. Okay, well, 795 01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:09,960 unfortunately I read it rather than listen to it. But I think you're better 796 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,159 off listening to them because you you, I think they read them more slowly 797 01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,039 than you're reading your head, so you kind of skip over bits, whereas 798 01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:20,360 it's read for you relish every moment, and that's what you should do with 799 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,679 it. Yeah. And one of the nice things about talking abouts, I 800 01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:29,360 think it's I often listen to them as I'm lying in bed at night and 801 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,960 it's it's sort of reminiscent of having a story read to you by your parents 802 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:39,000 just before you went to sleep as a child, and they's something very comforting 803 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,880 about it. Wells, I think the moment has come was to say goodbye 804 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:51,039 to our London callers calling listeners and to thank them for their loyalty. Yes, 805 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,599 all this time, how has it been going for I don't know. 806 01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,719 It's a long time, isn't it. We should have looked and figured it 807 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,519 out. Definitely more than ten years, isn't it. We should have You 808 01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:04,039 know, this should have been a montage. It should have been a greaterst 809 01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:09,280 sitting. Maybe Brian I'll producer. Yeah right, he's got time for that. 810 01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:11,760 You know, we're just we're just buggering off now, we're just like 811 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,880 leaving him the lurch. You know. We should say thank you to Brian 812 01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:20,239 first, Yeah, thank you Brian very patiently producing this podcast over the years 813 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:28,199 and coming up with fantastic photoshopped pictures which I which which which I always used 814 01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:30,280 to promote the podcast. And and to Scott as well, who I think 815 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,960 it had the original idea. Scott, Yes, ye hats yeah, he'll 816 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,360 be sad, he'll be sad. Yeah, I think he was a fan. 817 01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:41,760 Yeah, well, I'm sure. I'm sure we've got lots of fans 818 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,119 out there. He'll be a little bit disappointed, but I think we will 819 01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:47,079 be back from time to time to time to talk about Culture Corner and what 820 01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:51,800 we've been doing on our holidays. And yeah, I just want to say 821 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:57,760 thank you too to all of our listeners who even even those who are so 822 01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,840 stupid that your team table, I love you as well, even your team 823 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,000 James is out there. I still have a grudging affection for you. All 824 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,840 right. Then, well that's it. I'm gonna go and have a vagner. 825 01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:13,840 I mean, that's keep well, right, good bye bye. Yah 826 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:39,079 is London by Ricochet Join the Conversation. Hi. If you've enjoyed listening to 827 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,880 London Calling over the years, I think you'll probably enjoy the Weekly Skeptic, 828 01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:47,880 which is the other podcast I do every week with Nick Dixon, a professional 829 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,480 stand up comedian. It'll soon be available on the Ricochet platform. We record 830 01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:57,519 it every Tuesday last for about an hour and a half sometimes two hours, 831 01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:03,360 and it's quite similar to London Calling, but maybe a little more lighthearted and 832 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,960 good humored. Anyway, check it out. The Weekly skept with me, 833 01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:09,679 Toby Young and Nick Dixon.