This is London Calling, London Calling. So far, ninety three people are
confirmed to have lost their lives, while as many as one thousand are still
missing behind a fire is now the deadliest wildfire in the United States in more
than a century. Officials did not hold a press conference today. Yesterday,
the Maui Police chief asked for patients as search and rescue efforts continue. Welcome
to London calling with me James Delingpoll and my very good friend mister Taby Young.
When are we going to tell the kids? Are we going to string
them along a bit first? Before we break the knees? We should break
the news up front. I guess do you think? So? Is that
what you do? But I suppose if you were talking to your children you
probably would beat around the bush for a bit. I think you take them
out for dinner first or something. I think no, I think we should
just we should just say how's your week being, tabes and you know,
stuff like that first. So how's it, Well, it's been it's been
okay. I went and did some teaching on Friday and Saturday at this summer
school just outside Oxford. Teaching I gave I gave three lectures and then discussed
the lectures with a group of very smart seventeen and eighteen year olds afterwards.
And it's a summer school that my son Ludo attended last year. It's for
kids who want to do history and PPE at university and my son Freddie I
think we'll want to go next year, so and I'll probably be lecturing again
next year. So I did that on Friday and Saturday. That meant I
couldn't go to Cardiff to see QPR play Cardiff. It was an away game,
but we won James. We won two one, which was a great
improvement on our previous week's performance when we lost four nils to Watford. Unfortunately
I missed that, but that definitely cheered me up. And yesterday we did
a stage of the Thames Walk, something we're doing as a family, a
nice wholesome family activity. We're trying to follow the Thames all the way across
London, and we started out at they're kind of on the far left hand
side and we're about halfway through or so now, and we did the Richmond
to Twickenham leg, which was I don't know, a sort of four mile
walk or something five miles. So debate today which is quite nice. How
far down are you going to go? I haven't actually looked. I think
we started at the Thames Barrier, but I'm not quite sure where it ends.
Actually, we're probably more than halfway. How much further can it go?
Well? In Ughtred novels, yes, the Vikings are constantly going way
up the Thames. It seems to be kind of a kind of a key
route of invasion. Yeah, that's true. So I think you've got I
think you've got a way to go. I mean, look, hen is
on the Thames, Hens away off London. That's true. So yeah,
I think, yeah, maybe maybe, I think it's probably one of those
you know, it's probably we probably could continue to do it for I think
you could. Yeah, I think you could. I was wondering today.
I'm in Devon at the moment, and I was rushing back along the coastal
path having been swimming on a an empty beach. It was fantastic, but
I had to rush back to to to get to do this, this this
podcast, and I was wondering how long it would take to walk all the
way around Britain, you know, around this island. I imagine with all
the kind of the the little sort of nooks and crannites. It would be.
It must be many, many miles and take eight it would it would
be probably be the work of the rest of your life. I would imagine,
do you reckon, It wouldn't be that, and I think I think
you'd get a really boring book out of it as well. You would.
You wouldn't have many you wouldn't have many encounters. You meet other walkers,
but that would be about it. And it's never that exciting meeting out the
walkers. They just say hi, or they there's a there's that sort of
kerfuffle you have where some people make make a big deal of of stepping out
of your way so that you get past, and then you have to elaborately
thank them. Whereas I'm of the view, just just go past. You
don't need to sort of stop and well you would get of course, you
gets during the during the pandemic, and even to this day you get people
who leap out of the way. Yeah, well do you know what?
The leapers can leap over the cliff. As far as I'm concerned, I
do remember. I remember those days vividly. I remember it in in Sulcam
because Salcam was bedwet or central when it came to that whole nonsense, you
know, they were, they were all they leapt on the no cash bandwagon.
The bakery was desperate to to just take cards only, and they were
and they loved the mask enforcement, and they loved all the all the little
markings on the pavement which shows you what direction you could go in and stuff.
And even on the coastal path there were these people who were there were
there were there were no no, there weren't. There weren't markers. But
there were people who who genuinely believe if you walked past them, you would
give them this deadly virus and they'd die. It was like that yesterday,
James, I was walking from Richmond Underground station to the Thames, Sorry overground
station to the Thames with my wife and four children or four teenagers, and
we passed a man in a doorway who was kind of sheltering in a doorway,
muttering under his social distancing, social distancing as we walked past. Really,
yes, the first time was he? That was he? I mean
he was obviously I was back to us with he was mentally or obviously he
was mentally here. But what manner of mental illness did he have? Was
it was he? Did he look like he was escaped? He looked like
a typical kind of libbed voter in Richmond. Yeah, so like escaped out
of a looney bit. And yeah, yeah, I suppose one of the
few pleasures of that that era was just winding those people up. I mean,
it gave me such happiness. The man on the train who confronted me
for not wearing a mask and I basically told him that he was just upset
that he wasn't brave enough not to wear a mask and that was his problem.
And Teddy, I met someone in Scotland, an ex copper at a
free speech Union event in Scotland who had been beaten up quite badly by a
masking zealot on a train because he wasn't wearing a mask. I've heard about
this. I don't know if there was the same incident, but it but
it did get quite frightening. Somebody really, yes, did have the excrement
beat out of him on the train. It's probably the same person because he
probably was in our circles. But it's awful. It's frightening, Yeah,
really awful. And he kind of think, well, what's going through the
head of the mask zealot to kind of beat up someone not wearing a mask,
because you know, if you're going to kind of draw blood and some
of that's going to kind of splatter onto you. I mean, that's going
to be far worse than being breathed on by this guy. It's not rational,
it's not rational, it's instinctive. This is this is program behavior.
This is all program behavior. The way that the way that everyone behaved during
during that nonsense was was was programmed. They were the victims of a military
grade siop, and their government was participating, the media was participating. That
It took it took an extraordinary degree of critical thinking and kind of intellectual detachment
and emotional detachment to step away from that that that big scary story that we
were being fed everywhere and realize the truth. So, I mean, it's
deplorable that that linatics were programmed to behave in that way, you know,
a bit like the sort of man mini Manchurian candidates. But nevertheless, that's
what happened. We also went and saw Mission Impossible. Yesterday we've got back
from our walk. We went to see Mission Impossible Dead Rickning part one,
which we can talk about the ledgering culture corner. Ah, yes, yes,
well you can tell me, tell me about it, because I've gotten
you can. You can even give plot spoiler's going. I've got no interest
in seeing it. By the way, I tell you, what is really
really weird. I come down. I've been coming down to Salkam since about
the nineteen of the early nineteen seventies, so I remember it when it was
still a sort of up and coming fishing village. And since then it's grown,
it's become rammed with I think it's got the highest average property prices anywhere
in the country. And that complete wonker, what's his name, Neil Woodford,
the guy who set up that fund, and then all his customers lost
their money. But Neil Woodford was all right, he's got he's got a
pad down here. Are you there? Are you there at the moment?
That? Yeah, that's the beach. Okay, it's within gobbing distance actually
of where I am, and I might test my my gobbing skills later on.
But yeah, and it's and it's slightly sort of nauseatingly moneyed, and
at this time of year, if you wanted to stay stay in Salcombe via
Airbnb, or perhaps they don't even deign to go on Airbnb. They're probably
own exclusive property rental companies that specialize in salk and what they were one Fine
Stay, which is the kind of deluxe version of Airbnb. Oh well that
that might be it. Anyway, August would be would be very very expensive.
And I'm down here now and I would I don't think I can recall
any summer, definitely not in August where it has been this empty. It's
extraordinarily Yeah, it's like it's like the zombie apocalypse is hit and everyone's or
it's a bit like like the like MAUI. I mean, it's it's extraordinary
that that you you go down into Salcom town and you normally expect to be
mobbed by everyone. Every other person has a spaniel and a range Rover and
you expect not to be able to walk even to the news agent. Well
I'm not that I would, but my wife needs a paper and today it's
like yeah, I mean it's like it's like may or something something, you
know, may when when when the school, when the kids are at school,
it's it's and I don't understand it. I mean unless it's a consequence
of this dire summer that we've been having. Could be could be that,
yeah, fewer people are, you know, taking staycations because of the weather.
It could be I guess that people are you know, over the last
three or four years, they've been more likely to vacation in country, but
now they're beginning to go abroad again more. Yeah, yeah, but I
do what the puzzling part. Okay, So you would normally you in order
to get a flat or a you know, a sort of farmhouse or whatever
in Salcomb this time of year, you would have had to have booked months
ago, months ago, and you wouldn't get a refund. You wouldn't be
able to complain about the The weather forecast isn't very good? So can I
have my three grand back? So I can only infer from this that the
people who are not here are all the rich people who are who own the
properties and would have gone down now but haven't. And they and they can
take the hit because after all, they end the property and they're not paying
you know, they just think, well, so I will just go and
go to a beef for like like Tobians that given its shortcomings, how can
you keep returning well because well, because my relative has a flat here,
and I I know, I know all the cheats about. I know all
the things that I enjoy doing. So I like going bodyboarding on Bantham Beach.
But I like walking on the walks to the bolt Head Walk and the
and the prawl Point walks, which are which are the two coastal walks,
and you can stop off at beaches on the way. And I don't need
anything else. I don't need really to go into sort because Salt comes full
of yachts and I can't be dealing with the yachts because I never had the
training, I never had the machine. But a nice pubs, nice restaurants.
No, the pubs are all right, but they're a bit you've got.
You've got to queue up for your drinks. And the food and saltcomb
is notoriously rubbish. Right, there's one. There's one. Yeah, that's
but it's not really in tune with my diet at the moment. I'm not
supposed to eat stuff that's fried in hows the diet the Keto diet I've gone.
I'm now on the Cheeto diet, which is a bit keeto. But
but but cheating a lot. Yeah. So so today, for example,
I had for my breakfast, I had black pudding, which is a bit
cheaty because it's got bits in it bacon and egg, but no bread.
And then for lunch I had cheese and salami. And for supper, I'm
going to have chicken, so which is which is quite ketoi. Yeah,
okay, Well tonight I'm going out to dinner. The family is going out
to dinner with my mother in law, I want's mother, and we're going
to a vegan restaurant in Covend And we haven't broken it to the children yet
that that's where we're going because we anticipate an immediate rebellion. Who chose us?
Well, it's it's it's my mother in law's favorite restaurant. But what
she is? She a vegan? No, she's not. She's a vegetarian.
But apparently the food's very good. It kind of has to be,
doesn't it. I Mean, the only argument for being a vegan chap is
you've got to be so inventive that you push the boundaries of of so cool
plant based foods to new levels of kind of extraordinaries. But otherwise it will
be pointless, because veganism is pointless. That is evil, you know,
it's actually it's a protected belief now under the Equality Act. That's it's unlawful
for someone to well, for for your employer to discriminate against you because you've
expressed vegan beliefs or because you're a vegan. I would persecute any employees that
I had, if I had, she but I do. I do sort
of semi employees some people, and I would persecute them mercilessly if they if
they turned out to be vegans. But luckily they're not gould be. You
know what completely ruined my keito by the way, my wife took me too.
Have you ever been there, the manoir o cat says on I have,
yeah, yeah, yeah, but I haven't. I hadn't been there
since nineteen eighty seven when it was the end of it. After our we've
done our exams. Yeah, finals, that's that's the word. Yeah,
done our finals, and and we went my my my flat from eight to
six C Boundary Road. We all went there as a sort of sort of
group outing, and I remember vividly the embarrassment that you and Ferguson, who
was also in the Buller and obviously had been taught bad ways. You and
Ferguson threw a bread roll at a painting when he thought that the waiters weren't
looking just because it couldn't was just being naughty, and I was just thinking,
why can't we just enjoy our dinner anyway? Yes, So we had
the seven course taste of Many. I think everyone does, don't they.
Yeah. I've had both the standard taste of Manu as well as the vegetarian
Tasting menu. I went there with my wife and to keep her company.
I think I had the vegetarian tasting menu along with her and wrote about it.
I was reviewing it for the Evening Standard. But that was pretty good,
but the non vegetarian tasting Many was better. Yeah, and then you
have the then you have the flight. So the flight of mines to a
company, I got completely hammered because they don't limit you to one glass of
each. They just can keep it poor, don't they. Yeah? So
what was the occasion? Our wife was doing something for country life? Okay,
okay, yeah, we journalist tast know we can't. We can't afford
the stuff in real life. But we did have a problem, which was
we weren't sure. We're not used to all that, those gaps in between
where you have to talk to each other. We couldn't think, what's rather
a conversation? Yeah, so we so we asked some advice from another couple
who are on another table. Who who there was? There was a guy
with a kind of a sort of sort of beard that would have got in
a place in the Taliban or in zz Top or something like that. And
it was great, the couple from from Shropshire. And I said, I'm
having trouble. What do I talk to my wife about? And and and
this man's wife said, what you do is you talk about you grade each
item on the menu, and you talk about that and you sort of try
and work out what the single best thing is of the night. Right,
But I was tipped by the end. I was too hammered to remember,
but it was. It was very good at the beginning. I do remember
that, you know they did things with a maccrel. I didn't you know.
Macwel is not my favorite fish, and this was kind of raw maccral.
But it came with a I remembering now horse raddish sorbet and elderflower sort
of oil and it made the macral taste like not a shit fish, like
a really special fish. It was good. I suppose that's the RD cooking.
Isn't it like that vegan thing we mentioned earlier? Yes, well that
sounds delicious. I could. I could definitely eat some of that. So
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I've been I've been finding very difficult not to slip out the news,
but I've been very very discreet, I mean, which is to say I
haven't mentioned Dick. I thought I thought i'd make it a shock, a
shock moment. Well, I think it'll be a shock for some and other
people will go, well, you know it's not before time. I saw
this one coming. I think, yeah, yeah, they're gone, and
tell tell the kids. Well, James and I mean Daddy have decided in
the most amicable way possible. We're having a trial separation, trial separation.
What was the what was the phrase that Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin used,
I can't remember now. Conscious conscious uncoupling, conscious uncoupling. I think this
is an unconscious uncoupling. I think. I think the bottom line is that
we're going to be drawing London Calling to a close, at least in its
present form. So this will be the last of London Calling episodes, and
its present form. We may return at regular intervals in which we just do
culture Corner, so holidays as well, we can talk about holiday. Yeah,
but we thought we might do that perhaps once a month instead of once
a week. They're also on the Ricochete platform, but we decided that.
Well. I think it's partly that we just seem to be constantly having the
same argument over and over again in a way that probably isn't terribly interesting for
most of our listeners. Musical differences, Yes, I suppose. I suppose
one worried that I have and you may have this too, is that if
we continue to have this same old argument over and over again, sometimes you
know, descending into slight sort of you know, vitriol, vitriol and kind
of hot tempers snark, Yes, that it could. It could put a
strain on our friendship, and we don't want to fall out. We don't
want to fall out. We want to remain friends forever. So we think
it might be sensible to to draw London Calling in its present form to a
close. What do you think that? Do you think people are going to
be upsets? Because because I mentioned it to a wife and she said,
yeah, but there were people who who would love London Calling, and you
know, like she just she'd just been for for coffee with a garden photographer
that works with her and he's a big fan of London Calling. So I
suppose there are going to be people out there. I wonder whether they're going
to be more who are happy that it's ending than a sad What do you
think, Well, I think I think I think I think probably people will
be divided into different camps. I think there will be some people, you
know, who are happy that they'll cite it as evidence that, you know,
two dogged opponents of the lockdown and other pandemic COVID related restrictions have fallen
out. So I guess it's possible that you know, it will cause a
degree of jubilation amongst the evil one, amongst lockdown zealots and vaccine zealots,
and listen to us, they probably don't listen to I guess. I think,
I think, But I think our core audience will probably be divided between
those who think it's probably the right time. It is slightly boring listening to
them argue about the same things every week. They often seem to be talking
past each other. They're clearly not going to persuade each other of the merits
of their respective positions. So maybe it's sensible to kind of end it now
before it does descend into kind of a proper quarrel. But then I think
there will be people, as you say, who have who have been listening
for years and who sort of depend on their weekly dose and think of it
almost like you know, hearing two old friends chatting in a bar that they
enjoy. Yeah, like the man who wrote the article about us, yeah,
the National Review, Yeah American, Yes, Yeah. I think I
think my biggest worry Gems is that, you know what that Chap said in
his review, He said, this is actually a really important podcast because here
you have two people who disagree about one of the most fundamental issues of our
time, like many other people, and they're modeling how you can disagree about
that issue and not fall out. And that's extremely helpful both for friends and
for couples who are having that argument all the time. And he knows,
he said, lots of friendship groups that have kind of been torn asunder,
even marriages split apart by disagreeing on that issue. And so it's really it's
kind of, you know, we are couples therapists, we are we are
model how to disagree about this fundamental issue without falling out, And so if
it sounds like we've now fallen out, then that therapeutic value will be,
you know, lost. So I think it's important we should stress that we
haven't fallen out. And I guess, you know, I guess maybe.
But to couples who are still arguing, would that you're right that we haven't
fallen out. We're still friends. But I that's the upside. The downside.
The depressing thing is that I think we've demonstrated that they can never be
any meeting of minds between normies and those who are down the rabbit hole.
It's it's one or the other. You can't you can't stand astride those two
positions because the chasm is is so so great and probably ever ever ever widening.
I mean, I don't think that I used to because the people on
Team James who say to me, I don't know why you talked to that
cuck. He's a you know, he's controlled opposition at best, or you
know, gatekeeper at best control opposition, or working for the enemy at the
worst, and you know, you know, end it now. And I
say, no, that's not that, you know, don't be silly,
that's nonsense. But then there are other people who who take the view,
which is rather my view, that this London calling was a kind of gateway
drug, whereby I would be every week I would introduce, in my very
subtle way, just delicately and just lately seasoned my comments with a few so
called conspiracy theories, and and people who were originally Team Tobes would gradually go
the second building seven eighth, yeah, or Paul, yes, he does
look a bit different in the photographs pre nineteen sixty six, you know,
And and gradually they would they would be on the on the road to enlightenment.
I've never ever, for one second had that impression with you that that
it's it's like chucking it's like chucking bits of of murder to wall and and
just none of them ever stick. You know, you thought at least one
of them would have stuck. Maybe maybe it would have been You're pearls,
pearls before swine. No, no, no, no, it's it's because
what I what I've learned, is is that there's a kind of when you're
stuck in the normally paradigm, you are so wedded to it emotionally, intellectually
that whenever any aspect of this paradigm is challenged, your your response is not
to go, oh, I'm looking too that. It's it's it's like to
put up yet further defensive walls. And and I'm not blaming you for this,
because I think you that the thing that we play out every week is
being played out across the country in households where where people like me, the
kind of the rabbit hole element in the relationship wants desperately to truth bomb the
normal, which is you into all that, into all the stuff that they
know to be true, and the normal has yet to learn. And we
think, if only we can, we can present a few more a few
more facts killer facts, they'll go, wow, I've been deceived all along.
But that never happens. There are different ways of doing it, and
I haven't worked out what it is because I'm I'm I'm very much like it
is person rather than the kind of subtly ask a few questions. But maybe
that's the game. That's what you should do. You should subtly ask a
few questions and then let the Tobes in the relationship and you know, let
mummy find out on her own rather than you you forcing her to that position.
But it's certainly never going to work where I mean, not nothing I've
ever said ever Tobes has it has ever kind of caused you to question your
paradigm. It's just like, you know, I'm just a crazy basically as
far as your concern, well, I think I've always stuck pretty fast to
my cock up theory and well it's not yours, it's I mean, it's
it's a bit of a cliche of of of of normals. It's like,
you know, well, but there's no law that theory law is it?
I think what that that? What can be that there is an ex Scanlon's
law that what the thing is called scanaling. But but somebody like that,
I think it wasn't let's look it up. I think it was what hang
on never attribute to Yeah, what can never attribute to conspiracy? What be
explained by stupidity or something that I think it's you know, I think it's
Handland's law, Hanlon's law. Yeah, so just very everything into malice that
which can be adequately explained by neglect or stupidity, Handland's razor. Yeah.
Yeah, Now I've heard you site that, and I did write, and
I was inspired to write an essay on this on my substack, about Handlon
and about the background to that spread. Doogy anyway? Sorry carrying again?
Yeah? No, I think, yeah, no, but I do think
that your your your speculations about the pandemic, about whether it was planned,
and yeah, the various evidence you've marshaled to try and persuade me that it
was planned, and how that can explain various otherwise anomalous things that happened afterwards.
I think I think lots of our listeners did find that quite persuasive,
and we're probably minded to believe that anywhere and enjoyed being furnished with the evidence
that they could then cite in conversations in the pubs or in arguments with their
partner. But I think what a lot of people say to me is that
they initially found you quite persuasive, and they were sort of wavering between Team
Toby and Team James. But since you've gone down a lot of other rabbit
holes, things like dinosaurs and the fake Paul McCartney and chem trails and so
forth, they've they've they've they've sort of parted company with you, and they
find you. I don't know whether that means they've found your initial theories about
the plandemic thereby less credible, but they have sort of said they were wavering,
but now they're Team Toby, because to be Team James needs to require
you to believe not just one conspiracy theory, but a dozen't I I hear
this, this this theory being being positive that that it seems to be very
reductive and very a not very deep in its understanding of how people think and
how they how they behave. I think that most people are perfectly capable of
looking at somebody's opinions in the round and going, well, yeah, I
agree with them on that one, but not on this one. It's not
like, oh, if you it's the Hitler dogs theory. You know,
just because just because Hitler like likes dogs doesn't mean that dogs are evil.
It's I mean, that's the that's the shorthand version. And but I suppose
it was required to be on one team or the other. They kind of
think, well, to describe myself now as team James, do I have
to think that dinosaurs were a hoax? Well, I've never I've never made
that a requirement of admission, nor have I made it a requirement admission that
you that you are a Christian or that you believe in I think that if
you're lacking the Christian understanding of the world, you are missing a key dimension.
But I think that the world is perfectly explicable, or what's going on
in the world is perfectly explicable in non Christian terms. You don't need to
invoke the devil. I would, well, James, I think I think
another another kind of defense you could make is that it may sound like,
you know, to you the listener who's not immersed in these subject areas,
that I'm just kind of subscribing to a number of unrelated conspiracy theories. But
actually the truth is when you look into these various areas, you'll find that,
actually, my theories about what's really going on beneath the surface are connected.
And I think you're sort of often you sound as though you're on the
kind of cusp or at least you're appealing to but not quite articulating a kind
of grand, unified conspiracy theory which explains all of these odd things. Oh
yeah, no, And I think that that that's another that that's another response
available to you. And actually, I think my advice to you is you
should write a book. And maybe you're already, but I think you should
write a book in which you pull all these different strings together and kind of,
you know, turn them into a kind of grand, overarching hypothesis about
what's really going on and who's behind it. And I agree, And you
could give and it could you know, you could link it to, you
know, the kind of spiritual struggle rooted in kind of Christianity and its enemies.
I have sometimes sought to explain to you, I this is a classic
case of us talking over one another, because I think I have made the
point that you think I should have made several times. I don't think you
were listening that that when when you when you've put it to me that that
I seem to have embraced every conspiracy theory going and it is there a conspiracy
theory that I that I've heard that I haven't I haven't believed. And it's
what it comes down to is that all these all these these these sac called
conspiracy theories. I mean, I hate using the phrase because it was invented
by the CIA to discredit them. But but let's let's call it, call
it, call them that for the sake of argument, all of them require
examination on a case by case basis. That it's it's not like no one
is required to to believe that man has never been to the moon and automatically
believed that Paul McCartney was assassinated in nineteen sixty six and placed by a doppleganger.
And it doesn't work like that. But what happens is that once you
start looking into these things, having previously lived in a world like like I
did, I mean, I was once, as you are, Tobes,
I was once I had a kind of a sort of an inbuilt mental disinclination,
let's say, like a sort of force field which which I didn't feel
anyone was telling me not to examine these things, but I did feel that
one shouldn't because this was an area that I didn't want to go in.
And it was never explained why we're just sort of encouraged not to not to
investigate, you know, whenever whenever anyone mentioned building seven, for example,
and I just go, well, I don't I don't care about Building seven.
You know, it's obvious that Osama bin Laden is a body, and
that that et cetera, et cetera. And what happens is that when you
start looking at these these various conspiracy theories, you know, you look at
one and you discover, to your great surprise, there's lots of evidence supporting
that the crazies world view. And then then you move on to the next
one and you realize, well, hang on a second, there's a lot
of evidence for this as well, and this one, this one too.
And what you realize gradually is that the the m o, the murdus operandi
of the people who are behind these things is always the same. It's always
about I mean, the fingerprints always include discrediting of brutal discrediting of anyone who
who questions the paradigm. It includes the use of the or abuse of the
of the media to portray a the official line. There's always the official line,
there's always the cover explanation, which is reinforced. I mean, I
can't go into all the all the details of the similarities, but but it's
like you get a point where you don't need to look at much of the
evidence because it's so obvious that the fingerprints that it's a bit like a serial
killers, you know, the calling card. You suddenly realized that the techniques
actually which brings me too. I imagine this is a subject that that would
will again divide us greatly and that you will take a completely different line from
me. What is your view about the Maui what's happened in Maui, which
is the biggest story I think in the week in the news. Have you
been following it? Uh? Not? Not not closely? I have.
I have noted that some people think the fires were caused deliberately, Yeah,
by a not are not by arsonists, but by dark forces. Don't you
know what they're called? Do you know how that what what the what the
theory is? Tell me what the theory is? That? Okay? So
so we've we've got Maui, lovely Island in Hawaii, which has suffered these
devastating fires. I mean, i'd have interested. What do you think caused
the fires? I think ninety and more people have died so far, millions
of dollars worth of properties have been destroyed, boats, people's livelihoods trashed,
lots of lots of animals have died horribly. But but the people are obviously
it's even worse. I mean, do you have it? Do you have
any take one? I don't. I don't have any theories. So obviously
the I said, there's always an official media narrative, and the official media
narrative is inevitably you can guess, can't you what caused the wildfires, because
it's what always causes the wildfires, climate changing, climate change. So so
then you go, okay, well, suppose, okay, suppose it was
climate change. When when when before have we had an example of these kind
of devastating fires which appear from nowhere and destroy row upon on a row of
cars in a uniform way, and they destroy them in in a in a
in a way which is it doesn't look natural. So for example, all
the handles on the on the on the on the car doors have been burned
off, the glass has been been burned out. That if this had been
a natural event caused by I don't know what, what, how would it
happen sparks from from how would how would the fire have broken out? Just
like incredible heat that would have suddenly caused the brush the brush to catch fire
or what something like that, I imagine, But that if you look at
the footage of the damage suffered by the houses, it makes no sense.
On the cars, So you've got the cars, row upon row of cars
being being being completely burned out. You've got trees which somehow remain intact.
You've got certain properties that the properties are the super rich in the area,
which have been mysteriously unscathed, and inevitably you start asking, well, hang
on a second, what could this doesn't look natural because it isn't natural.
So people have been analyzing this and they say, this is not this is
not climate change. This this is directed energy weapons which have been available for
to the powers that be for a very long time. I mean, there
are institutions which which that the US military has access to them. There's an
institution called Harp h Arp which specializes in this this this kind of thing,
and this seems to me the most likely explanation for what's going on. You're
probably not aware because you because you haven't looked into it. That the area
that the epicenter of this, this supposed natural climate driven disaster is an area
where a lot of property is owned by Native Hawaiians, you know, the
original people who lived in Hawaii before the kind of the white skinned Americans sort
of came along and annexed it. They've been the developers have tried to move
them out of the out of their place, and they they recognize the value
of their property. They want they wanted held on. This looks very much
like they've been burned out of their out of their properties because they refused to
move. There are other tells as well. The governor, the governor of
Hawaii who's called whose surname is green, by the way, is a is
a raging world economic forum, lunatic. So there there are different angles you
look at. Look at the Look at the nature of the fire, which
is unlike anything that could be caused caused by by nature. Look at the
background motivations of the possible explanations as to why this this has been done.
Namely, people have been deliberately burned out of their homes because they don't want
to do it. There's the green agenda. So but I'm assuming you think
that this is just like another of those crazy things that would never happen because
because you want to live in your nice world where people don't do such things,
that people don't have such powers. Well, I mean, I'm I'm
at a disadvantage because I haven't. I haven't been following the story that closely.
So Joe Biden, by the way, did you see that I did?
Yeah, I did hear he said no comment when he was But I
mean, I think it looks like the fires in Greece in roads were caused
by arsonists. So it's it's possible that the fires in Hawaii were deliberately caused.
Whether they were caused by energy weapons, I don't know. That sounds
a little bit implausible. How is it implaus blood of interest? Did you
believe that the technology doesn't exist? Or what do you think that the authority
nine they'll never do it? It's not well, what is your theory?
Who do you think wielded the weapons and on whose behalf were they wielding them
as as ever with with the with the exact nature of the powers that be,
you don't know who gives the orders and how it works. But generally,
look just the quick kind of TLDR of my theories, all all the
intelligence agencies in the world, So all the three letter agencies, whether the
ones we see celebrated and James Bond movies are the ones celebrated, you know,
like three Days of the condor whatever, the CIA, or the Israeli
ones, or the America, I mean, you name them, the German
ones. They're all basically working not for us, not for you and me,
not for the ordinary people. They're not protecting us. They are there
to look after the interests of the people who run the world. So we're
talking about the super rich. We're talking about I mean, people are unimaginably
rich. The people who are now, the people who are on the Committee
of three hundred, the Trilateral Commission, the Builderberg, these these elite families
which have always run the world. They are ultimately they are in the end
in the end game now of the war on people like you and me.
They have they have they have the technology at their disposal. They've got they've
persuaded us all to carry around these little spy devices which we think of as
our entertainment and communication devices, which they know they're to control us. They're
wanting to keep us in our fifteen minute cities. They are they want to
stop us traveling. They're gonna stop us traveling, and they're going to use
use excuses like climate change and oh, pandemic to justify that. They're going
to they're going to inject us with with ever more toxic substances. They're poisoning
our water. So this is this is just another power play of theirs.
They are. They are burning out part of Hawaii because they want to confiscate
people's private, private property and and redesignated it that for their own purposes.
They want to advance the green agenda. They want to I mean, these
people are I keep saying it. Maybe they're they're evil. They do not
have to have our best interests at heart, And often it sounds like you're
just sort of saying they're doing evil because they're evil. There isn't any no,
no, They're doing evil because because that is the nature of that is
nature of the world. I mean, I think it. I think it's
well, I think if you do, if you do, if you do
write the book, I think it should write. So I think it could
be an international best seller. I think you're going to need to come up
with a kind of the kernel of the kind of grand unified conspiracy. Theory
has to be a theory about what it is this cabal of all powerful people,
the three hundred, the people in build Aberg, the Trilateral Commission,
what what their agenda is and why these various disasters and things that are happening
which we have to kind of cock up and happenstance and bad life. Yeah,
you need, you need. That's always always I've always felt that that
that bit is the bit that's been missing from from from from from all your
theories. Well, because they take the moon landings. Why because it's the
last replaced bullmanccartney with somebody else, et cetera. It's I'm not saying it's
beyond the realm's possiblity. You can come up with a convincing theory, but
you need that that there's a kind of lacuna at the moment the heart of
your theory. So here we are, so because it's our last show,
Well, I last, you know, show about this kind of thing.
It works on on on two levels. There is the spiritual level, which
is for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against
powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness
and high places. What's being what's being played out now, is a battle
between between the forces of good and the forces of darkness, and the which
is which is? Which has been going going over over thousands of years.
I mean since since since the creation of of the world, since the creation
of man certainly, or at least no earlier than that, since since the
fall, since since Lucifer was was was cast out of out of heaven,
and there has been a battle ever since and the dark forces. But I
mean, this is all. This is all in the Bible. I'm not
I'm not saying anything that is not that is that is kind of outre as
far as believing Christians are concerned. In the New Testament that it describes Satan
as the god of this world, and and and that is essentially the system
we're living in. We're living in the best system. Every everyone to a
degree, has to has to make moral compromises in order to accommodate themselves with
a system which is essentially not geared towards the Christian values, but essentially towards
breed, lust, etc. Et cetera. And we all have different ways
of making accommodations with the system. Some of us find ways of of of
living outside it as best we can, but most people eventually succumb. So
that's the that's the kind of the spiritual explanation, that the forces of the
fallen angels hate God and they take vengeance on God by by punishing man who
God made in his image. I mean, that's that's the thing, and
that's that's that's so that's the spiritual explanation. But the material explanation, which
works as well, is that there are these old, old, old old
families who have whose power base stretches back to Pharaonic times and Babylonian times,
who maintain there's a very few of them, and there's lots of us,
and obviously if they played their cards wrong, we would easily overwhelm them because
there were so many of them, so many more of us than there are
of them. Yeah, the way that they maintain their power base is essentially
through a form of magic, and the magic is partly about illusion, deception,
in other words, making us understand the world to be one thing and
not realizing how the world really is. So this is why I'm so skeptical,
for example, of the media, I'm so skeptical of the entertainment industry,
of the music industry, because all these are ways of misdirecting us,
of leading us astray, of telling us false stories in order for them to
get away with murder. I mean, imagine for a moment, Imagine if
if, if, if you and all our other listeners and everyone around the
world woke up and realize, hang on a second, there are evil people
in this world who aren't killing people in Hawaii killed them this week. Yeah,
all the animals as well that you saw kind of in their death throws.
But all these people who've had their livelihoods destroyed, their properties destroyed,
they've they've been murdered literally by by these evil forces using using this military technology
which has been kept secret. This is outrageous. We are not going to
stand for this. Imagine if everyone rose up. But no, doesn't work
like that. Most people, if they even at all interested in what's happened
in Mary will go Yeah, but it's it's probably climate change, because because
David Attenborough says that climate change is real and actually it's awful. We've got
to we've got we've got to get used to taking fewer holidays because if we
don't, then more places like Mammy going to burn down. So they get
away with murder by lying to us. Okay, But if this kind of
small group of powerful dynastic families who've been around since fornic times, have essentially
been ruling the earth for more than two millennia, getting away with it through
smoke and mirrors and the ruthless exercise of power, why the need to suddenly
escalate things, Why the need to you know, invent in your view,
is the myth of climate change. Why use these energy weapons to incinerate people
in Hawaii? Why unleash a fake pandemic, Why then roll out the death
jab and so on and so forth? I mean, why why would they
do things that that one would would would think would risk there. Why not
just sit back and enjoy the same privilege as they've enjoyed for since the beginning
of time, Because very simply, what's happening now is the result of of
decades of planning. There's a very you should listen to my latest podcast with
Either Cummins where we talk about this and he's he's not a he's not nearly
as are you family with either he was, he was, he was,
Yeah, he's not nearly as down the rabbit hole as me. He's very,
very careful to make sure that there are receipts for all the things he
claims, and he did. He did a very interesting podcast with with some
kind of Swedish guy which which we sort of we sort of gave an edited
version of in in my podcast. And in the case of climate change and
to degree the pandemic, he traced it back to the to the influence of
the Rockefeller family. Now you think about JD. Rockefeller when he was around,
you know, standard a standard oil was was was a monopoly that people
were worried about in the early, very early twentieth century. And Rockefeller's five
sons were you know, I mean, they're quite old. I think David
David Rockefeller for example, is long since dead. So these guys, if
they're around, they're they're very very old. Now I think most of them
are dead, but they were the ones who set the planet in motion,
particularly to make climate change a thing. Climate change was never a thing before.
And the reason that they chose climate change and the reason they chose viral
outbreaks or whatever, is because both of those things are they they cross borders.
They are they they are they justify supernational regulation and one world government,
which is essentially what they wanted. So they brought up the they created that.
The Rockefell has created, the League of Nations, which later became the
United Nations. They created the World Health Organization. They funded all these institutions
in order to get where we are now. Now you think about how far
back that goes, at least until the nineteen fifties, probably the nineteen forties.
So everything that's been panned out now, even even little details like the
creation of these little symbols of the climate change movement like Greta, Greta Thunberg
and stuff, these are these are all part of the psychological operation. It's
it's not as though the science told us that climate change is a thing we
should all worry about, and then then it got bigger and bigger as people
became aware of it. On the contrary, the science was never telling us
this. What happened was that some very very rich, cynical people decided where
they wanted to take the world. They decided they wanted to find ways of
overregulating us and enslaving us. And they realize that that the climate change and
pandemics will be a good way of doing so. So listen to that podcast.
Yeah, we can't obviously argue out here because because you you won't have
all the details at your disposal. But it's but I think it might be
an eye opener for you because because it sounds incredible, but it is that
is it is evidenced. Okay, all right, James, should we should
we move on to culture corner? I think because we're we've I've got to
leave the house in twenty minutes to get to dinner with my mother in law.
So as I said, I saw, I guess it's missing Impossible Sevening
Part one. It is seven. Yeah, I mean I think it is.
I think I think, i'm i'm, i'm, i'm I'm willing to
chance my arm and say it is. I think the best Hollywood franchise in
history. I can't think of a better one. I think it's better in
terms of quality than the Bond franchise. Bond is quite hit and miss.
Even the best Bonds are nowhere near as good or not quite as good as
the best of the Mission Impossible films. And unlike the Bond films where you're
expected to kind of suspend disbelief when one actor is kind of carted off to
the Knacker's yard and replaced with someone slightly younger, we're, in Roger Moore's
case, slightly older. It's Tom Cruise all the way. And I don't
suppose the franchise will outlive Tom when he can no longer do his own stunts.
That'll be when the franchise has retired. They're not going to replace him
with a woman or an African American, at least I don't think they are.
Anyway, it's consistently I think, you know, the best kind of
action thriller of the year whenever it's released. I thought four, I mean,
Mission Impossible one I loved, but two two was the weakest. One,
Three was okay. Four was an out and out masterpiece. It's amazing.
I'm amazing you know this stuff? How many a differentiate between them?
They would just all be so many times? Really Wow? Yeah, and
so different. Sustaining sustaining that level of quality over seven films, it's really
difficult. You know, with most franchises there are diminishing returns. You know,
I think we're we've got it Screamed seven to look forward to this summer.
Later this summer, I don't suppose that will be nearly as good as
Scream one. The Star Trek films the gap, but this is the really
boot. The gap between Star Trek one and Star Trek three is enormous.
It's a huge gulf. But you know, Mission Impossible seven it's certainly better,
I think, than the first Mission Impossible film, and perhaps up there
maybe the second best in the entire franchise. So it's quite an achievement.
And I think ultimately testimony to Tom Cruise, who you know, clearly knows
how to pick talent and how to cultivate talent, and once he's found someone
he likes working with and he's clearly very talented, he's very good at maintaining
that relationship, which is why the same kind of core cast has been in
all those films he's made, the last three with Christopher mcquarie. And Yeah,
anyway, I really liked it. It's really entertaining. It's easily the
best film I've seen this year. It's like almost like a non stop kind
of action sequence. It's just one action sequence seamlessly blending into another, each
more exciting than the last. Yeah, the first one was directed by Brian
de Palmer, who's kind of like Hitchcock's Air when it comes to being a
master of suspense. But that suspense element has been in all of the films.
There's something rather charming about seven. Then it's almost like a throwback to
those kind of Cold war thrillers starring you know, Carrie Grant and Audrey Hepburn
or whoever. Bit like north By Northwest, a bit like Charade. So
there's a kind of flirtation between Haley Atwell, who plays a kind of international
thief, and the Tom Cruise character Ethan Hunt, which is very reminiscent of
those kind of Cold war comedy thrillers. So it's got that nice, kind
of old fashioned kind of dimension to it, but it's also the kind of
spectacular kind of action sequences are just breathtaking, and two promises to be even
better than one, And it's very cutting edge in that it's the enemy is
a rogue AI called the Entity. So you'd quite like it, James,
I mean quite a lot of it. Kind of you'd think, aha,
you know, well, you know why, Terbs. It's called predictive programming.
It's what they do they before. But yeah, so the American military
in this film, the American kind of military industrial complex, has created this
AI that they think they can use to kind of sabotage their enemies weapons,
and of course it goes rogue and poses a threat to the United States.
All the different world powers are kind of competing with each other to try and
get hold of this key, which will enable them to control the Entity and
thereby achieved dominion over every other country. And Ethan Hunt wants to find the
keys that he can destroy the Entity and save human kind from these power crazed
kind of people, some of whom have worked for the CIA or the US
government. So there are no there are there are very few. The only
goodie in the film is Ethan Hunt. Every state actor is more or less
a baddie. And yeah, but it's it's it's really good. Highly recommended.
I loved it. Oh well good, I'm well I've finished off well
as far as I could get into the new Martin Miller or Netflix Eligido the
Chosen one. It's good. I'm really looking forward to seeing the other the
other three episodes. But but it's kind of annoying because I've I've read I've
read the series, and I mean, it really goes. It goes full
full team James at the end. Absolutely it is about revelation and about the
Second Coming and all all the things that that I'm kind of not really looking
forward to but kind of I'm expecting. Yeah, I've well, having been
left bereft by having finished Anna Karen, now I realized that I had not
finished reading another great Russian novel. I was halfway through, which is Go
Gol's Dead Souls. It was Go Go anyway, and it's it's earlier than
told story. And what's great about Google Google whatever? I think it's good
is go? How do you pronounce it? I think it? We don't.
We haven't nextually and all the Russian Russian listeners are just hissing at this
point. So stupid that and I felt I feel this a lot with the
Russians. It's that they are somehow unconstrained by by spend back worries about how
to write books, they just go ahead and write write them. It's the
same with with Lermontov's Hero of Our Time. They write in a way that
is remarkably modern and experimental because no one has ever told them the rules,
and as a result, they just forge their own way. It's a joy
to read. It's it's it's like they're just enjoying the business of writing,
and you the reader enjoys it too. So I just think the Russians are
the best. They it's kind of embarrassing. I mean, I probably the
French. French second best, maybe we're third, because I mean, I
can't be doing I know you love Dickens, but I really can't be asked
for Dickens. And Stephen Fly loves Dickens. I mean, what does that
say about Dickens? He says, the Dickens is crowd Basically, well,
it sounds yeah, well, Dead Soul sounds better than book one of the
Starbuck Chronicles, which is what I'm listening to. It's it's rather disappointing.
It's it's certainly the weakest of all Bernard Corbe's books. I was I was
so about to I was about to start listening. Actually, I wasn't on
listening to Phineas Reducts at the moment, right, Okay, yeah, that's
much better. I think I'm looking forward to returning to Trollop and I've got
to the end of Rebel, part one of the Starbuck Chronicles. Yeah,
I've also I download I've downloaded a talking book version of War and Peace.
You would please to hear no an, who's the talker? Yes? Who
is it? I want if it's the same one? As you hang on
a second. This is audible translated by Louis Mold Part one, chapter one.
Doesn't say it that he doesn't say who he's reading. It, doesn't
say he's ashamed. But it's rated by David Horowitz. Okay, well,
unfortunately I read it rather than listen to it. But I think you're better
off listening to them because you you, I think they read them more slowly
than you're reading your head, so you kind of skip over bits, whereas
it's read for you relish every moment, and that's what you should do with
it. Yeah. And one of the nice things about talking abouts, I
think it's I often listen to them as I'm lying in bed at night and
it's it's sort of reminiscent of having a story read to you by your parents
just before you went to sleep as a child, and they's something very comforting
about it. Wells, I think the moment has come was to say goodbye
to our London callers calling listeners and to thank them for their loyalty. Yes,
all this time, how has it been going for I don't know.
It's a long time, isn't it. We should have looked and figured it
out. Definitely more than ten years, isn't it. We should have You
know, this should have been a montage. It should have been a greaterst
sitting. Maybe Brian I'll producer. Yeah right, he's got time for that.
You know, we're just we're just buggering off now, we're just like
leaving him the lurch. You know. We should say thank you to Brian
first, Yeah, thank you Brian very patiently producing this podcast over the years
and coming up with fantastic photoshopped pictures which I which which which I always used
to promote the podcast. And and to Scott as well, who I think
it had the original idea. Scott, Yes, ye hats yeah, he'll
be sad, he'll be sad. Yeah, I think he was a fan.
Yeah, well, I'm sure. I'm sure we've got lots of fans
out there. He'll be a little bit disappointed, but I think we will
be back from time to time to time to talk about Culture Corner and what
we've been doing on our holidays. And yeah, I just want to say
thank you too to all of our listeners who even even those who are so
stupid that your team table, I love you as well, even your team
James is out there. I still have a grudging affection for you. All
right. Then, well that's it. I'm gonna go and have a vagner.
I mean, that's keep well, right, good bye bye. Yah
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