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Welcome back to the Dog Track Greyhounds. This is Richmond Til We Die,

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an episode by episode conversation about the
Apple TV Plus show ted Lasso, where

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we explore the characters, the relationships
to each other, and how they're able

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to make us laugh until we can
hardly breathe one moment to deal with the

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deepest parts of our hearts the next. For this episode, our conversation is

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all about season three, episode one, titled Smells Like Mean Spirit. It

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was written by Leanne Bowen, directed
by m J. Delaney, and edited

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by AJ Cataline. I'm Marissa,
and I was born in Kansas City.

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I'm Christian, and I'm trying to
decide what my favorite version of Smells Like

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Teen Spirit parody is. Is it
the nineteen ninety two weird Al Yankovic version

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or is it the twenty eleven Mumpets
version where they are forcibly shaving Jack Black?

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Yes? Wow, I really like
the cover that happens at the beginning

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of Marvel's Black Widow. But I
don't know who that's by. But that's

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not a parody version. So I'm
gonna go a shaving Jack Black because I'm

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gonna have to go back and watch
that and you stole my intro because I'm

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Brett and I feel stupid and contagiously
excited about our return to form. But

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first, Christian, what are you
wearing? I look super hot today?

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Yeah you do. I am wearing
the US men's national team centennial jersey here.

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This shirt is from two thirteen,
the one hundredth year of the US

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Soccer Federation. I like it because
it's very plain. It's meant to look

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old. It's nice and white and
not garish like many of the US national

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team kits that Nike releases. Nice
thick borders, maybe blue on the sleeves,

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and this tight V neck and then
it has an old school looking crest

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that US Soccer should have kept,
nice thirteen stars and then some stripes.

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The reason I'm wearing this is because
the Conky Calf Nations League just wrapped up.

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Yeah, the United States won the
Conky Calf Nations League. Yeah,

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they did, exerting their dominance over
both Mexico and Canada. Boy, and

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the Mexico semi final was two hours
of the most glorious chaotic soccer I've ever

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seen. I was watching it on
Univision, so is the Spanish commentary,

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which is great, always adds a
little extra panash to things. And what

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happened was We're getting ready to play
this gigantic match and US Soccer uses that

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opportunity to announce that they've named a
new manager, like as the game is

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starting, My god, who was
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it was their old manager. And
there's just been tons of joba. I'm

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not gonna go over here, but
just google it. There's been blackmail and

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espionage and impropriety, and this was
probably one of the last people that anybody

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thought was going to get the job. And then blamo, Greg border Halter

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gets rehired. And so I knew
that this had happened because I watched Twitter,

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but the commentators don't like watch Twitter
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I'm watching it in the univision.
Folks are breaking this news to their audience,

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just as then Christian Pulisic gets out
on a breakaway and then essentially like

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missus a sitter of a goal.
So just imagine the Mexican commentators being excited

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about breaking the news, the scandalous
news that Greg Halter had been rehired,

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and then Christian Pulisic missing a sitter
and all of the screaming that ensued.

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It was fun times four yellow cards
in this match. Both teams ended with

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nine players. One of the four
red cards. Oh yeah, sorry for

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red cards. Which is a lot
of red cards. It's a lot of

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red cards. Weston McKinney had his
jersey ripped and his nipple was hanging out.

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It was the best bro best soccer
nipple since Jamie Tart versus Soup back

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in ted Lasso Season one. I
thought you were gonna say something about Janet

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Jackson. No, no, no, little little something for everyone in this

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match. I like that the crest
on your shirt. It looks it reminds

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me of like vintage era Captain America
shield. It's very like, it's very

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old school. It's fun. I
did wear this shirt a couple of days

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ago too, because it was I
went to see Hamilton for the first time

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the day that we were playing Canada
for the title, and so the other

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US jerseys I have have white dude's
names on the back and that seemed kind

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of dumb to wear to Hamilton,
and this one has the thirteen star,

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so I was like, thirteen colonies. F Yeah, let's go that's it.

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How is Hamilton? It was fantastic
good another Rave review. That little

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known show still doing well, still
against all the odds. I thought about

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wearing my US Canada split scarf,
but decided against it at the last morning.

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I will say, there are not
many other shows that can come to

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Wichita, Kansas and have a two
week residency. So good, good for

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you Hamilton, good Joblin. Should
we remind our listeners what happened in this

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episode? It's been a minute We
most certainly should. It's been a super

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hot minute. Take it away.
Christian ted Lasso is returning Henry to his

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hometown of Kansas City while staying in
London to rescue AFC Richmond from the clutches

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of relegation. Ted knows that west
Ham has assembled a squad even more powerful

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than his plucky club, which might
very well spell certain doom for the small

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band of Greyhounds struggling to attain freedom
in the Premier League. While Ted seems

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to be doubting himself at least as
much as every pundit and basement blogger doubts

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Richmond's chances, he still finds a
way to make the most of a poope

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situation by getting the team off the
training pitch for an informative field trip in

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an effort to flush their bad vibes. Rebecca is less than pleased in what

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she interprets as a lack of focus
and intensity from Ted. Granted, her

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judgment is severely clouded as she's letting
Rupert live rent free in her head,

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which is not only unhealthy but also
super dumb because he could totally afford the

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rent. Q Nate and well he's
on the other side, but is the

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grass really greener? Rupert seems fun, but he remains to be seen whether

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there's more to life than fancy throne
rooms and fast cars. Phoebe is back

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and in her old age, is
spitting deep wisdom. She's so wise like

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a regular sized Yoda. Roy and
Keiley would do well to consult her on

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their relationship woes, but something tells
us they're going to have to work things

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out on their own. And that
is all the recap we are going to

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give you. We're back. Ted's
back, the Greyhounds are back. Leading

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up to this episode, what feelings
did the two of you have? If

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you will recall there was a long
wait between the end of season two and

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the beginning of season three. Yeah, so long that some on this podcast

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said they might not continue to watch
the show anymore. I won't name names,

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but I think the overwhelming feeling that
I had coming into season three was

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just excitement, like really an anticipation, and not in a negative way,

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but really just wanting to see where
this journey would take us. I think

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that they're even after two relatively short
seasons, like I mean, they're average

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seasons for TV now, but having
twenty two episodes total, I had great

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faith in the creative team and the
writers and the technical team to really pull

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it off and land the plane,
kind of knowing that this might be the

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third and final act of this story, and so I was just excited to

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kind of see how they would start
off. What about you, Marissa,

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I mean I was looking forward to
it, of course. Yeah, it's

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hard to wait, and it got
increasingly more frustrating waiting for it. But

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yeah, no, I agree,
I had faith in it. But I

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think I was most looking forward to
redemption for certain people in certain characters,

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and just because not only like the
principal characters, but so many of the

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supporting characters have like grown in there
I feel like their fan base and appreciation

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throughout the show, so I feel
like they had to do a lot of

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work to tie up so many like
storylines and characters and really kind of,

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I don't know, let us say
goodbye to them in like a fun and

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healthy way. And so that's,
you know, as we were going into

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it, that's kind of what I
was hoping would happen. What about you,

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Christian, I was feeling zen very
trust the process. The sad part

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was that once the season started,
and that meant the season was going to

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end, and then also that meant, you know, our podcast was probably

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going to end because this is most
likely the third in final season of ted

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Lasso, and then there's only so
much that you can talk about when there's

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no new material. So I was
a bit conflicted in that the long period

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of time in between the two seasons
did extend the life of the online ted

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Lasso community and this thing that we
get to do, and all of that

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has been very fun. So there
was some sadness and some sentimentality, but

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then also the excitement to see what
they were going to do with all of

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this that they had set up,
and there was a long time in between,

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but I always chocked that up to, well, one, the world

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realizes how cool all the people are
that work on the show now, so

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they were doing a lot of other
jobs and a lot of other projects at

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the same time, but also that
they were taking the time to get the

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result that they wanted, and so
I, just like you, knew that

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we weren't going to get anything that
was rushed, and everything was going to

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be thought out and executed to the
best of their abilities. In my opinion,

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the intentionality paid off. One of
the things that I noticed from the

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very beginning was we were getting a
lot of head fakes in this episode.

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They're toying with us a bit,
trying to psych us out. And then

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the other thing was there were just
a lot of deep cut callbacks, and

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then we would find later things that
they were setting up for later in the

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season. And so there was some
solace in seeing from the beginning, Oh

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good, they're being really smart about
this. Now I really can't wait to

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see what happens. It's interesting to
like sort of get so swept up in

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a show, I mean, the
way especially we did by starting this podcast

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and being involved, like you said, with sort of all of the ted

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last, so fandom on the internet. But it's interesting to me, like

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doing that when you can interact with
other fans but also people who create things

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like that was never a thing that
we did watching shows growing up, you

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know, Like I remember, well
there was no Internet. Well yes,

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exactly, but I remember Brett's too
young. But I remember getting like the

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TV guide in like the aisle of
the grocery store because like I wanted to

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know what the next like episode of
whatever I was watching was going to be

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about, right, or that I
was going to miss it because I had

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some rehearsal that night or whatever.
But it like the fact that we kind

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of get these insights to like what
we're about to receive from them creatively is

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I don't know, It seems like
you kind of get to peel back like

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the curtain a little bit and have
some sort of idea of like they're doing

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this not just for the show or
for like their own creative purposes, but

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because they want to honor the fans
too. As much as this episode did

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overall kind of feel very much like
a set up episode, Like there's a

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lot of table setting. Yeah,
and we'll get into that, but it

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still felt like good to be back
with these characters, and it felt like

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we kind of knew where we were
going from the first scene. I feel

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like at least of course was set. You know, it felt like we

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had a direction. So I felt
good about like, Okay, I feel

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like we have a thesis statement and
we can like expound on it. You

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know, speaking of table setting,
where are you still team captions? When

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you watch television always being team captions? Led me to notice something, and

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that is that the credits for tedl
Lasso, the opening credits have gotten incredibly

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long. Yeah, because it shifts
the captions. They go to the top

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and the side, the top and
the sides, and sometimes it covers people's

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heads and whatnot. And what I
realized is the credits were so long is

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because, very kindly and rightfully,
everybody who was with the show essentially from

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the beginning got promotions. So people
who were credited as writers in the first

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season are now have producer roles in
various roles, which means, you know,

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they got more money and a lot
of the great things that come with

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getting a promotion. But I went
back and I timed it when I was

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rewatching this, and we do not
get to a regular caption position until like

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six minutes into this episode, which
is a little bonkers when you consider the

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first episodes of ted Lasso were only
twenty four minutes long, and so it

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like it doesn't quite feel as long
when with these longer episodes. But hey,

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six minutes. I'm glad everybody's getting
their shout outs. I'm glad everybody's

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getting their paychecks. It's nice to
know that the vibe that we pick up

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on of these people looking out for
each other and loving each other does seem

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to also play out in real life. Yeah. You know something else that

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I noticed, just speaking of esthetics
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this episode there is a lot of
iPhone dinging ing ing. Yeah. Yeah,

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these people need to get a vibrate
setting. Yeah for real, like

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Apple got to get that money.
Girl. It's you know what else happens

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in this episode? What's that?
And also in this season that I think

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we should like make sure that we
keep track of for the fans. Tell

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me, Rebecca is seen eating a
lot in this season, and I just

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want to say, go girl,
because you know, she's a queen.

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But like one of the most famous
actors in America is like known for eating

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movies. You know who that is, Yeah, Brad Pitt. It's like

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in his contracts, isn't it.
Yeah, Like did you know that when

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heat is amazing jaw line? Yeah, And I mean like Hannah watting him,

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Like, let's just say hers is
even better. When Brad Pitt eats

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two hundred plus calories in a film, the film earns one hundred and forty

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three plus million. If he eats
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earns only one hundred and ten million, and if he doesn't eat at all,

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it's like sixty eight million. So
I'm just saying maybe this has to

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do with like also like the people
making the money for season three years effect,

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the Brad pit effect is now we
need to follow this for Rebecca this

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season. So I think we should
be tracking all the yummy things that she

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does. Yeah, because we've seen
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seasons child, but like she starts
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like in this season. So we're
gonna We're just gonna put a pin in

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that and track it throughout this season
because it matters, it does, and

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we want to recognize and empower that
NTV she eats in Kiley's office, and

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I believe the two of you were
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happen this season. Oh my gosh, one of my absolute favorite actresses is

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Katie Wicks, and she shows up
as Barbara the CFO, which Keily has

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no idea. Why does she call
her the flying object Corporate Flying objects flying

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abjects? Yes, we love Katie
Wicks. There will be a Katie Wicks

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appreciation moment in every episode that Barbara
appears in because she's also in one of

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our favorite shows where she was in
Ghosts, the BBC version, and we

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love her work and was such a
pleasant surprise to see her walk in and

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be a little bit disrespectful to keilely. But you know, we'll see where

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it goes. So season three starts
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what it was like to start the
whole series. Right, there's a lot

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of things that feel like what we
felt at the first episode of season one,

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right, Yes, in the sense
that a lot of our friends have

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regressed to some of their former dysfunctions. So that's neat. Yes, folks,

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are being unhealthy in old and familiar
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some of those old patterns and reminding
us that growth and progress is not always

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linear, but there are times of
progress and regress, if that's a word

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people use. One example is the
very first scene where we have Ted with

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his son Henry, and kind of
how that whole dynamic is playing out with

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Ted communicating with Henry and with Michelle
as Henry's preparing to board this fictional flight

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from London to Kansas City that does
not exist. But let's chat a little

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bit about like there are other folks
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But what do we think is going
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Not a lot that's good. He
doesn't look good, he doesn't feel

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particularly all. They're not bubbly and
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day. And again we're starting at
an airport, right, So like we

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see Ted and Season one, you
know, getting on he's on the plane

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and he's he's ready, he's energized, he's looking forward to the season,

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to what's new to this experience.
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is not looking forward to what's happening
next, like he has this question of

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like why is he still here?
Like I don't want my son to get

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on this plane and like leave me
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were he was going to something.
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his son is leaving from somewhere.
So, yes, we have those elements

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that are kind of that threat is
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doesn't know why he's still here.
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people who watched the show asked after
the first season, who the heck you

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know leaves there? Kid? Un
of these circumstances, especially for a venture

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that seems speculative or frivolous or ridiculous, And those are clearly thoughts that Ted

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is now having, and it is
having a powerful effect on him. We

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talked about Phoebe having some wisdom for
Uncle Roy, and then we also see

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in this episode that it's not just
reserved for young Phoebe, but Henry also

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has some wisdom for his dad,
And as I don't know as conflicted as

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Ted feels, Henry seems to understand
why his dad is there, and he's

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like, you came here for a
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this. He gives them sort of
this lego figurine of the Premier League club,

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right, but really it's it's supposed
to be this like this thing that

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we're all wanting to happen for Richmond
for the whole series, right, And

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so here's Henry like giving it to
him and saying, yeah, Dad,

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I know you love me, I
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but you came out here for a
reason. You don't quit things, and

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like, go do it, Go
do the dang thing. And I think

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it's a really important thing for Ted
to hear as he's in this headspace as

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well as we'll learn in just a
few moments when he's talking to doctor Sharon,

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who yeah, doctor Sharon's back,
but like he is clearly struggling with

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like I know why I came here, but I don't know why I'm still

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here. And this reminder from Henry, I think is really important to him

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for thinking about like maybe what he
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knows he still has a Richmond,
whether that's one season or more or whatever.

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This is TBD at this point,
but I think it's a good reminder

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for him to be like, yeah, you don't just come out like there's

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still a job to do, there's
still very real people that he cares about

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in his life and on this club
that you know, depending on what decision

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he ends up making, like he
wants to leave this place better than he

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found it. So to Ted's credit, he is not allowing all of those

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feelings and all that's going on inside
of him. He's not like dampening that

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by allowing himself to get drug into
other people's nonsense. Right, Rebecca is

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back to a really unhealthy place in
terms of the status that she gives Rupert

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in her life and the focus that
she has on him. And then she

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doesn't even she's blind to the focus
that she is putting on him, and

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she does try to drag Ted into
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and Ted's like not having anything to
do with that. So he's not trying

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to drown out his feelings by getting
in someone else's drama. He can see

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pretty clearly that that's nothing he wants
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And yes, and even though we
see these characters sort of existing in

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these unhealthy familiar areas, we do
see growth because we see Ted not just

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staying in this place where he's unhappy
or he's conflicted about something and then just

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acting like everything is okay. The
first thing he does see him do is

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talk to doctor Sharon about it,
and so we see him sort of like

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taking those steps to deal with these
questions rather than just sort of clossing over

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it or hiding it or just shoving
it down and trying to be the happy,

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positive energy in the room all the
time. And we see that when

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he enters the room and they make
the joke about like no witty repperte or

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what do they say, no funny
illiteration like rhyming reading or something like that.

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Yes, it sets up an odd
juxtaposition in this season because we came

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to fall in love with a version
of Ted Lasso that was not a healthy

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version of Ted Lasso, And so
then how do we as an audience,

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like, what do we feel about
a healthy her version of Ted? And

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maybe that's not exactly what we're experiencing
now, but a lot of those things

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that we did fall in love with, those have been shipped away because those

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were unhealthy. Coping them mechanism,
right, and so now, what's what's

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our relationship with this guy? Which
I just think is an interesting way to

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set up this season because just in
real life, how many times are there

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where you get to know someone and
there are parts of their personality that you

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actually do enjoy, But then as
you get to know them on a deeper

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level, a more intimate level,
you start to realize, like, oh,

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some of the things I love about
this person are also some of the

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things that you know this is the
result of a wound, of a hurt,

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of something that is causing them pain
or to go to unhealthy places.

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It's not always all bad, but
there are there are times where you can

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you can hold those two things in
your mind and be like, I love

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this person because they act this way
or they're this type of person, but

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I also know that's a result of
trauma or you know, negative behavior,

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or you know negative learned behaviors,
I guess I should say. And so

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that's I just applaud the show for
bringing that to us as viewers, sort

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of asking us to reconcile with that, like, oh, the things that

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were so charming about this man,
some of them were a little bit troubling,

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and it's good to see him.
Like we said before, it's good

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to see him doing the work,
and I think it sets up a really

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fun journey for season three. Someone
we don't see doing any work or has

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not changed it at all since season
two is Nate. We see him starting

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his day at West Ham Right,
it's a little bit like when we see

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Ted coming into Richmond. But anytime
someone tries to shut O, anytime someone

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tries to talk to Nate, it's
like there's either no response or quick and

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like the down doesn't talk to them, or he's rude, and the first

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thing he does is open his beautiful
Apple computer and check on what people are

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saying about him online, which is, of course, as we all know,

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really healthy. And it's you're right, Like there are so many of

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these like negative parallels because in the
first season of episode one, Ted's kili

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as sad about Twitter and he's like, oh, I don't really do Twitter,

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you know. And then there's also
the way they each single out of

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player, Like when Ted first singles
out Sam, that might be an episode

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two, but that's the be a
Goldfish quote that we all love, but

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we see the first time we see
Nate single out of player, he sends

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them to the dumb dumb line.
So and then the whole the whole parallelism

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with the press conferences too, is
just really brilliant, like that they handle

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those things and totally opposite ways,
and yet there's a really interesting similarity,

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which is that Nate experiences a form
of an anxiety attack that's not dissimilar from

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what Ted does and his very first
press conference. We obviously see that manifest

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in bigger, more significant ways later, but I thought that was really interesting

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that they chose to write it that
way. Yeah, and we also learned

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too, as Nate is texting with
his mom at the end of the episode.

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Well, I guess we'd all learn, but we just get a reminder

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that Nate's relationship with his dad sits
very close to the source of his insecurities,

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and so he can try to cover
him up with whatever he wants,

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but even just that text really pierces
him, even if for a second.

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Yep, and probably the most disheartening
for me situation of unhealth is this thing

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that we've got going on with Roy
and Keeley. I kind of thought we

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had moved on and things were getting
better at the end of season two.

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Clearly that is not the case.
They are still on very rocky shores and

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trying to figure out what their relationship
is. And by the end of this

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episode, they have decided to finalize
their breakup, and the last thing they

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have to do is of course tell
Phoebe, who is the arbiter of their

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relationship and the you know, this
constant between both of them because she looks

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up to Keeley and Roy in different
ways so much so that's a very cute

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but also sad scene that was really
well written, I thought, and I

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agree with you be a little bit. I think they're both being a little

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bit stupid, But we'll see what
happens. I do appreciate that it seems

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like it's coming from a place of
wanting to honor each other's journey and kind

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of grow continue to grow in health. But I don't know, Man's it

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feels really continuous. Yeah, I
don't know. It's hard to be figuring

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stuff out alone. So we'll see. We'll see how it works out.

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You know what else feels strange,
but somehow right is that Jamie tart is

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like the most focused and like has
just this positive outlook and like, I

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don't know, just like a leadership
about him in the locker room for people

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and he's just like, everyone,
get your lives together. We're gonna do

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this. Like where did full philosopher
Jamie come from? Because I don't know.

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I'd read his book, The Philosopher
King is what he is, and

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I love him. The transformation that
Jamie Tart has undergone already in this show

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is fascinating and incredible, and even
in even in the context of this one

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episode, we go from him sort
of having his very almost sort of faux

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arrogant quoe where he says like,
you know, if we're together, we're

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not going to get relegated because together
we got me, you know, and

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it's like, oh, there's there's
classic Jamie, like he's still in there

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there way. But then by the
end of the episode, once we've gone

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down into the sewer and come back, you know, Jamie is the first

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as the team starts to devolve into
this like, okayn't believe what they said

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about us. I can't believe this, you know, everyone's talking about us.

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He's like it's just boope, you
know, and Ted and Beard are

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kind of like, okay, j
yeah, I got it. He's he's

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taking on a little bit more of
a leadership role in understanding like as he's

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being one of eleven, like how
he continued to how he can continue to

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be a leader on a team while
also being a member of that team.

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And that's It's a development that I
am very excited to talk about as it

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happens this season. I appreciate that
they did not make Jamie less stylish,

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as they gave him more depth.
In fact, I thought that his hair

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looked a little extra frosted this season, and some of those visual cues that

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just remind you who Jamie has been
in the past. It almost seemed like

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they cranked the dial up on him
just a little bit to put some distance

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between his look and his substance.
Yes, I mean Phil downstairs just brilliant,

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like for real, he could do
so many things, and we get

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to see that entire range this season, and I'm thrilled. I completely agree

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Jamie style game continue the barking tenues
to raise in this season. But one

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area where we've maybe taken a step
back, or at least a sidestep in

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style is the style of soccer that
Richmond are going to play this season,

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which is the old four four two, And man, does this season really

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like take us to soccer one on
one school and it's glorious. This is

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a show that people who have not
watched soccer could still enjoy and appreciate.

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And since this show's debut, there
have been a lot of people who have

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learned things about the game come to
appreciate the game. We've seen folks especially

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enjoy starting to follow Wrexham because their
story has been told in a documentary narrative

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style that is compelling and I think
speaks to people both in tone and in

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substance who enjoy ted Lasso And this
year it really it's always been a show

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with soccer at its core. This
year then it really does get pushed even

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more to the forefront and there is
a lot of teaching of the history and

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the philosophy of the game that we
get to I personally enjoyed, and we

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also get a lot of flexing as
they visit a number of their favorite football

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stadia throughout Europe, not just England. And you can really tell, even

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more so than the first two seasons, that this is a show that was

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created by people who love the sport, even just looking at this one episode

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where they take the time to do
those little explanatory commas or just kind of

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write in bits about the game that
we'll speak to those folks who like,

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like you said, you can enjoy
the show knowing zero about soccer. But

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I think for those of us who
do follow the game and have followed the

408
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.000
game for you know, decades or
more, that it feels very it feels

409
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.599
very much like talking to your friends
about soccer, you know. It feels

410
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.559
like it feels like you could just
be like shooting the breeze about this,

411
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.839
and it's it's a very natural conversation. And I love that they use it

412
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.000
as a device too to kind of
show some of Ted's growth in the knowledge

413
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:14.039
he's a head coach of the sport, so he should absolutely no things.

414
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:19.480
It's still unacceptable. How little he
knows, it's still unacceptable. But I

415
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.359
love that, you know, he
very you know, he mentions the four

416
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.519
four two and how he knows what
that means is for defenders four midfield two

417
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.000
forwards. And there's also the moment
where in his press conference later in the

418
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:31.240
episode, he says, well,
we got thirty eight chances to prove them

419
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:36.039
wrong. Whereas in the first episode
of season one someone asked him how many

420
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.000
games in a season and he's like, I don't know off the top of

421
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.920
my head, you know. So
there's little moments sprinkled throughout where Ted is

422
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.119
showing off his very basic, admittedly
but still knowledge about the game, and

423
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.359
the way they use that as a
plot device to also just sort of speak

424
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.759
to those folks who really do love
soccer and love this show is really fun.

425
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:59.039
If you follow the cast and crew
on social media, you would see

426
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.440
their love for the soccer as season
three was in production, and maybe one

427
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:06.000
of the reasons that season three took
a little longer to get to us was

428
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:10.599
because they attended so many soccer matches. Did they even work well, not

429
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.440
on Saturday afternoons at two po best
for sure, And I mean I was

430
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.400
happy for him. You know,
if you can waltz into stadiums and have

431
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.000
people welcome you and get access to
meet players and managers, you should absolutely

432
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.960
strike while the iron is hot.
And it was fun from a distance to

433
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.720
watch them having fun in places that
before they'd probably just enjoyed on TV and

434
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:40.680
whatnot. Yeah, So, as
we've already mentioned, the title of this

435
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:47.039
episode is clearly a nod to the
Nirvana grunge classic Smells Like Teen Spirit.

436
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.799
We've got that in some other songs, but Christian, I think maybe you

437
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.160
had a little something you wanted to
say about Smells Like Teen Spirit. Even

438
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.519
though it's not actually played in this
episode. Yeah, we don't get to

439
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:04.200
hear it, but coming through the
lyrics, I did find these four lines

440
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.799
that stood out to me. I'm
worst at what I do best, and

441
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:12.039
for this gift, I feel blessed. Our little group has always been and

442
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.840
always will until the end. There's
not a lot in Smells Like Teen Spirit

443
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.199
that has a nice dead lasso vibe
to it, but that part of that

444
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:28.559
verse most certainly that and I think
one of the like the best and maybe

445
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.800
a little bit unexpected song placements for
me in this episode was when we Here

446
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.400
Follow the Leader by Eric b and
Rock Him, which is from the eighty

447
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.320
seven album of the same name,
and this of course plays as we are

448
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:45.400
reintroduced to Nate now as the head
coach of west Ham United, and it's

449
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.800
supposed to kind of set the table. You know, he's the top dog

450
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.639
now, Yeah, right, It
was surprising. I rewatch. It made

451
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:59.920
more sense to me when we see
Nate for the first time. I was

452
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.159
tam at the end of season two, we get that Run the Jewels track

453
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:10.920
Yankee and the Brave, and the
beat to this particular song sounds a lot

454
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.440
like the beat too or Run the
Jewels song. So for Nate to be

455
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.239
back, for us to be reintroduced
to him, for him to be out

456
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.920
London Stadium again with the team,
it felt like there was some connective tissue.

457
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.719
And it also reminded me that in
season one we got some biz marquis

458
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.960
and whereas a lot of the hip
hop and hip hop references in the show

459
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.800
tend to be more nineties, because
I would have been of Jason Sidekis like

460
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.559
prime hip hop era, this is
before that. But if you're gonna pick

461
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.719
someone to shout out and represent rock, him is the person to do it.

462
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.360
When people talk about the greatest lyricists
of all time, he often comes

463
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:59.559
up in conversation, and he's a
person that stylistically and philosophically informed so much

464
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.559
of what in hip hop in general, but then kind of that golden age

465
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.280
of East Coast hip hop. He's
a big influence on Nas, jay Z,

466
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.599
Biggie Wu Tang. Without him,
I don't know that we get all

467
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:16.119
of that richness. And so it
was just as a matter of the historical

468
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:21.440
record. I was glad to get
some Eric b and Rick him in this

469
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.719
episode. And it's still a bomb. Yeah, oh yeah, it still

470
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.679
goes. Yes, you will make
you want to run through a wall.

471
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:34.760
Yes, and I do appreciate Yeah, yeah, you know, um Nate,

472
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.840
maybe he listens to Eric B and
Rick him, I don't know,

473
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:43.280
but he certainly has not adopted their
swire. Brett, how did you feel

474
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.400
when you got to hear some Beyonce
in this episode? I was so excited

475
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.920
that we got in this episode they
have, Brett. I have been waiting

476
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.599
and finally it's here. And I
think the song Laid shows it's such an

477
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:58.960
interesting choice. It plays at the
credits. It's like right after we go

478
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.760
to you know, cut to black, or maybe right before that. As

479
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:06.559
Ted is on the phone with finds
out who Henry Jake, who tells him

480
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:15.360
about Mommy's friend Jake Arma. Unfortunately
he is not and so you know,

481
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:22.119
Ted has this very this look of
consternation. I'll call it and and constipation.

482
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.199
And that Beyonce rings the alarm and
which is from two thousand and six

483
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:34.400
is b Day. This is an
interesting choice only because the controversy surrounding the

484
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.000
release of this song as a single
was that she had recorded it to sort

485
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.760
of be about jay Z's relationship with
Rihanna at the time, and there was

486
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.559
this purported love triangle between the three
of them, and so I do think

487
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.840
that in the context of this show, I wouldn't call what's happening with Jake,

488
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.320
Michelle and Ted a love triangle,
but there is. It's a dramama.

489
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.960
There is a drama lama and maybe
this sense of Ted of like,

490
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:00.079
hmm, you know, like ring
that a lot of ring ringing ling ling,

491
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.119
So but it's it's a banger,
and I'm excited that it was in

492
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.760
there, So I think would say
it just like that too, ring ling,

493
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:16.920
a ling, ring ling, ling
ling, And it was a great

494
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.760
callback to I can't remember which episode
off the top of my head, but

495
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.559
when someone approaches Ted and it's like
something bad has happening and he's like,

496
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.760
oh, what did jay Z and
Beyonce break up or something? No,

497
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.039
it was specifically did Beyonce break up
with jay Z or something? Which I

498
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:37.760
know because I love to gift that
whenever I can't. It would have made

499
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.320
me. I got immediately sad just
thinking about it, I think, he

500
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.599
says, so, so i' stretging
up some feelings for Ted. And in

501
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.559
addition to the wonderful music placements,
we have some other musical references in this

502
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:58.719
episode to this whole season is just
chock full of Broadway y'all way to find

503
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:05.119
them all. Musical theater is abundant
here, And we get one from Nate

504
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.639
when he starts to like get all
awkward and doesn't know what to say and

505
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.079
he starts going into lyrics from The
King and I yeah, yes. And

506
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.559
there's another one too, yeah,
yeah, So the one you're mentioning is

507
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.880
when Nate says getting to know you, getting to know them, getting to

508
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.519
know all about them, which is
a very well known song from The King,

509
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.280
and I like, I don't know
how he thought he was going to

510
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.679
get away with that. But the
other one comes early on in the episode

511
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.880
when Ted is talking to Rebecca or
Higgins, I think, and he says,

512
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.159
what's the buzz? Tell me what's
happening, which is the title of

513
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.199
a song from Jesus Christ Superstar by
Andrew Lloyd Webber. And so already we

514
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.719
see Ted kind of branching out in
his references because up until now it has

515
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:52.199
been almost exclusively what would be considered
Golden Era, Golden Age musicals. So

516
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.719
moving forward a little bit to Jesus
Christ a little bit, and yes,

517
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.119
in that timeline we've you know,
that's certainly a more It was a more

518
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.840
controversial show in its time than say, King and I Are Oklahoma, which

519
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.440
now may be considered more controversial shows
than Jesus Christ Superstar, but that's for

520
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:14.320
a different podcast. Another thing that
was slightly controversial in this episode was Paddington

521
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:21.159
Bear heyo giving AFC Richmonds zero out
of five marmalade sandwiches. What's up with

522
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.800
that? What is up with that? Like, come on, Paddington,

523
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:28.559
why would you do them dirty like
that? Like not even just like a

524
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:35.760
sloppy like one marmalade sandwich. We
get some crossing of the streams this season

525
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.519
where the writers demonstrate that perhaps they
do pay attention to the online discourse,

526
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:46.400
and there's a lot of comparison between
Paddington Bear and ted Lasso on the Twitter,

527
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.719
and there have been a couple of
times where the official ted Lasso Twitter

528
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.159
account and the FC Richmond Twitter account
have replied to or interacted with the Paddington

529
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:05.039
Bear Twitter accounts, So those online
world flirtations between fictitious characters does now spill

530
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.880
into the television. I'm not sure
where we're at here, but we're somewhere.

531
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:14.840
We're somewhere and the multivers and if
you don't already follow the Paddington Bear

532
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.880
Twitter account, if you're still on
Twitter, it's it's uplifting, it is,

533
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.639
it's it's good Twitter. Yes,
we see something similar when Ted is

534
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.320
roasting himself when he says, I
look like Ned Flanders is doing cosplay as

535
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:35.159
Ned Flanders, which is probably somebody
something that somebody said as a put down

536
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.400
to Ted Lasso and Reddit at some
point in time or whatever, and so

537
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.400
it's nice that he wears that and
owns it. Yes, I feel like

538
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.360
that one has been named and I've
maybe even seen it. But the other

539
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.519
put the other roast he does to
himself that I thought was hilarious, is

540
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.079
I sound like doctor Phil hadn't gone
through puberty yet? And I was like,

541
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.599
if someone if that was a put
down from someone, I want to

542
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:59.039
see it because that was funny.
He also talks about Carmen San Diego,

543
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:04.000
which was like my favorite shows as
a kid with do it Rockafella roll,

544
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.920
Yes, So I was wondering if
like Henry even knows about who Parma san

545
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.840
Diegoes. However, like Netflix does
have that new show, so maybe maybe

546
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.519
Henry's like up into that. But
as far as that, I was like,

547
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.840
I don't know if Henry caught that. That seems something that is distinctly

548
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:30.559
American to a person of ted Lasso's
age. And there are a couple of

549
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.840
times in this episode, especially where
it just struck me man, I bet

550
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:42.840
it was really fun to work in
the writer's room and for like the the

551
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:47.119
British people to explain things to the
Americans and the Americans to explain things about

552
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:53.639
why things were funny. This happened
when they mentioned um crying during John Lewis

553
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:57.679
Christmas commercials, Yes, and I
was like, oh my gosh, one

554
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.960
of the greatest civil rights leaders of
all times does Christmas commercials and I've never

555
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.280
seen them. I just I felt
like a failure and that there was something

556
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.039
that I've been missing here. And
so I go on the internet and find

557
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.519
out, oh, no, it's
like a department store in England. Yes,

558
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.079
and does these really sentimental, creative, quite awesome Christmas commercial they're good.

559
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.599
Yeah, they're super good. I
got stuck down a rabbit hole watching

560
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.079
a decade worth of them. But
yeah, not John Lewis, the civil

561
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.400
rights leader. I had the same
journey, Christian. I'm so glad that

562
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:36.119
we share this because I was like, I, how have I never seen

563
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.079
this? Like, if there's anything
that Twitter should have shown me, it's

564
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.880
John Lewis Christmas commercial. Two of
your favorite things. Yeah, there were.

565
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.199
In addition to these wonderful pop culture
moments moments that we've mentioned already,

566
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.840
in this episode, there were a
couple of good I shouldn't say, very

567
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:57.599
subtle but very quick casey sports references, one of them being more explicit that

568
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:02.960
being amos Otis comes in and says
something about he does one of his little

569
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.960
rhyming tedisms, and he mentions amos
Otis, who is considered one of the

570
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:15.360
you know, great Kansas City Royals
players. George, there's another level below

571
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.920
George Brett names this is definitely in
that correct next level of very revered Kansas

572
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.599
City Royals players. So that was
like a fun like semi deep cut for

573
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:29.000
folks who are really into Royals baseball
YEP. And then the other one was

574
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:37.000
when Keeley and Rebecca are talking about
Lisa Left Eye Lopez boyfriend's mission. Yeah,

575
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.960
and there was another little English English
quirkiness there when it happens fast,

576
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:50.360
but Rebecca talks about left Eye throwing
her boyfriend's trainers into the bathtub, not

577
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.800
people, but shoes because they called
sneakers trainers over there. And this is

578
00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:00.800
something that happened in Atlanta when former
Kansas City Chiefs player Andre Riisen was dating

579
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:07.039
Lisa left I Lopez and domestic dispute
and she did end up like essentially burning

580
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.199
their house down whoops, because she
threw his sneakers in the bathtub and set

581
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:16.159
them aflame. It happens, sometimes
happen, burn it all down. Rounding

582
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:21.440
out our pop culture. The show
went top rope a couple of times on

583
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.239
specific people, and I think that
we should have a new segment to our

584
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:32.079
show, Ted Lasso's hit List,
because there are sometimes where the writers just

585
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.559
decide to take shots at people,
and I generally agree with the shots that

586
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:42.000
they take. One of them.
We get Keiley with the concise into the

587
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:46.800
point you Joe Rogan, which was
a great call back to the like fuck

588
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:52.639
you Pierce Morgan from the season two
yes, and you know, amazingly,

589
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.840
it's a sentiment that has aged like
fine wine. As in the news very

590
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.280
recently, just this week as we're
recording, as Joe Rogan has been continuing

591
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:07.400
to go all anti vacts on people
and getting actual legitimate scientists harassed at their

592
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.639
homes like he is literally the worst
yikes, yeah, and gets the most

593
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.280
money. So that's how things go. Yeah, and that's that's how you

594
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:21.400
get That's how you get ted takedowns. Yep ye, speaking of people who

595
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.960
are the worst and get the most
money. Rupert's dinner fellows his old friends,

596
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000
the Sacklers, Yes, that he
rides on there. He takes a

597
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.119
ride on their yachts and sambart,
but they're not allowed to come within like

598
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.239
fifty miles off the shore or something
like that, because they're the Sacklers,

599
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.719
Like they shouldn't be within fifty miles
of anywhere. Yeah. So they were

600
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:47.639
key in perdue pharma and the rise
of oxy and now it's become a total

601
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:54.239
addiction epidemic, especially in the United
States. And so they are of Juda's

602
00:46:54.360 --> 00:47:00.840
persona on Grana in these parts,
but certainly the ilk that Rupert would hang

603
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.239
out, Yeah, it's a yes. So one of the things that we

604
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.079
get from Sharon that helps to kind
of, I don't know, set ted

605
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:13.639
on this more positive outlook on his
journey is a quote that he says he

606
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:20.039
really likes from Gruta and its doubt
can only be removed by action, which

607
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.880
they don't directly attribute it to him. Right, the man, Yeah,

608
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.679
the man he I mean he is
one of the man's well he is.

609
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:35.079
For instance, Ralph Waldo Emerson essentially
named him one of the men. He

610
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:40.039
called Gruta one of six representative men
in his work by the same name.

611
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He included him with Plato, Swannenburg, Napoleon, Shakespeare, and mom Tang.

612
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This is a guy who he was
just he was a genius, right,

613
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.679
he was a genius level. He
was a scientist, He was a

614
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:59.840
philosopher, He was an artist,
poet, playwright, did all the things.

615
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.920
Yeah, he wrote a Faustian play
which really dovetails with the themes of

616
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ted Lasso. But I found some
really interesting quotes about his religious philosophy that

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I felt like set the table for
a lot of what we get to see

618
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an experience in this season. I
found this quote from him, he said,

619
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I have from childhood, the singular
habit of always learning by heart the

620
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beginnings of books and the divisions of
a work, first of the five Books

621
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of Moses, and then of Ovid's
metamorphosis. If an ever busy imagination of

622
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which the tale may bear witness led
me hither and thither, if the metally

623
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.559
of fable and history, mythology,
and religion threatened to bewilder me, I

624
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readily fled to those Oriental regions,
plunged into the first books of Moses,

625
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and there, amid the scattered shepherd
tribes, found myself at once in the

626
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great solitude of the greatest society.
But he's a person who who describes his

627
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relationship with the Christian faith as enthusiastic, and he shows enthusiasm for like Jesus

628
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and Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation. At one point in time he calls

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Christianity the ultimate religion. But then
he described himself as not anti Christian,

630
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:25.679
not Unchristian, but most decidedly non
Christian, and at one point in time

631
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listed the symbol of the cross among
four things that he most disliked. And

632
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his philosophy was so interesting that it
got a breakdown. Not a takedown,

633
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but a breakdown from Nietzsche, who
said that Gota had a kind of almost

634
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joyous and trusting fatalism that has faith
that only in the totality everything or deems

635
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itself and appears good and justified.
And so he was just an interesting dude

636
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:02.800
that was kind of up with like
the violence of the Christian Church and the

637
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:09.920
corruption of the Christian Church and had
almost this like post religious existence during a

638
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.880
very religious time that I think is
probably similar to what Diana Butler bast talked

639
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about when we had a conversation with
her about belief between these two seasons.

640
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.920
Yeah, being so influential in European
arts, you know, during the Romantic

641
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:36.320
period, he would have encountered and
influenced so many other artists, musicians,

642
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.800
you know, poets, deep thinkers, philosophy and so you're he was,

643
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:47.079
you know, really influential at a
time that like esthetics and thinking about what's

644
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.840
beautiful and makes the world better was
so important. And so yeah, you

645
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see from this quote here, you
know, it's it's a simple quote,

646
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doubt can only be removed by action. That he was calling people to action

647
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to make the world more beautiful,
more lovely, and yes, as someone

648
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:10.760
who teaches music and private voice lessons, it's hard to teach a day without

649
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:16.039
teaching a German leader. That's not
the text has not come from Gruta.

650
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:22.239
Yeah, so many of them.
He wrote some bangers he did. Also,

651
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.480
there was a point in time at
which he had the largest private collection

652
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.320
of minerals in all of Europe.
He had collected over seventeen thousand, eight

653
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.159
hundred rock samples. Who has time
to do that and be a brilliant writer

654
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.880
and reader at the same time.
Maybe that's his like hobby, Like you

655
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.400
have barbecue, right, Like that
was his thing, and he has the

656
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:46.519
equally admirable hobby of high level geology. Yes, and speaking of barbecue,

657
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:50.360
we don't. We don't really have
any barbecue right now to speak of.

658
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:58.719
But we do have some soccer,
yes we do. We mentioned London Stadium.

659
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:04.079
That is an actual stadium that west
Ham actually plays in in real life,

660
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.920
and it has a bit of a
fraud history. It was built for

661
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:14.119
the Olympics in London and then there
was some back and forth as to which

662
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.360
club was actually going to get to
play there, and it turned out that

663
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:23.000
it did end up being west Ham. And you know, they've kind of

664
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:27.760
adapted it, but it is a
little bit of a funky stadium when you

665
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.559
look at it on TV because it
wasn't actually built for football. It was

666
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:37.239
built to run track meets and whatnot. And we should shout out all of

667
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:45.800
the different people that contribute to this
season looking absolutely like Box Office when it

668
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:52.000
comes to the soccer scenes, because
they did go and shoot a decent amount

669
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of footage at all of these stadiums
that they visit this season. But then

670
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:01.480
at the same time you have people
like Paul Cripps design sets for the show.

671
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:07.960
He would have done like Rupert's office
and some of those more interior shots,

672
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.320
and then when we see crowd shots, there would have been some people

673
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.760
in the crowd, but then the
CGI folks would come along and do some

674
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.559
three D renderings and add people in
and so, which they've done a really

675
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.760
nice job putting that all together,
Yes, and they continue to during this

676
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.000
season, so we get to see
a lot of soccer. We get to

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see iconic stadiums, and they took
field trips to those places, but there

678
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:37.360
were also people doing things off camera
to make it all fit together and work

679
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:43.760
and just look, oh, justus
Christian I appreciate you illuminating us to all

680
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.239
the work that's done to make these
stadiums and these locations come to life.

681
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:52.679
I appreciate our friend Jan Moss sharing
some really statistically relevant information about clubs that

682
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:58.760
get promoted into the Premier League getting
us demoted usually immediately within one or two

683
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.119
seasons, about it happens quite often. He is absolutely right, it's the

684
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.840
best in Norwich communities. So I
think that's a realistic bit. But was

685
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.760
there anything that you noticed that you
thought that doesn't pass that doesn't pass the

686
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.920
test? Yeah? They keep showing
the west Ham players training in London Stadium.

687
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.559
They don't train there, There is
no dump dumbline in their home pitch.

688
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:27.960
They instead they train at a much
smaller facility called Rush Green. So

689
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.039
if you're going looking for a training
session, don't go to London Stadium because

690
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.079
you won't get in. But then
also because the players won't be there practicing.

691
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.000
An interesting choice because they make a
big deal about showing us that Richmond

692
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:42.119
practice at a different place than they
play. Yeah. Yeah, but I

693
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.480
guess if you're going to get on
that location, you got to showcase it

694
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:49.119
as much as you can. So
do what you could do man. All

695
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.679
right, y'all, it is it
is that time of the show to share

696
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.239
our favorite quotes from this episode,
so we're gonna start with you, Christian.

697
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.960
Would you like to share your favorite
quote? This episode and in fact,

698
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:07.840
this season is a treasure trove of
scatological humor. Yes, My favorite

699
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:12.840
one from this episode was I didn't
mean to come in here and tinkle on

700
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:20.679
your toenails, which is what Ted
says to Rebecca and Higgins Win. It's

701
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.719
he comes in all bummed and they're
trying to talk to him, and he

702
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:29.119
tries to change the subject. It's
initially an unassuming statement, but my is

703
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.320
the image ever vivid when you stop
and think about it for a second.

704
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:36.119
I tried to look that one up
and see if that was a common turn

705
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.800
of phrase, and I think it
is not, which, thank the Lord,

706
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.440
because that's like so disgusting and I
already hate feet, so like the

707
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:49.960
thought is like so like cringe worthy
to me. I hate feet, and

708
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:55.840
I hate feet that are getting fat
on. Okay, well then I'm good

709
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:00.760
because that was My Other favorite one
was the cool where Ted is trying to

710
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:07.159
make fun of himself in front of
the press, and one of the things

711
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.000
he says why he's so stupid.
The first time I heard y'all talk about

712
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:15.920
Yorkshire pudding, I thought it was
a fancy word for dog poop, which

713
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:21.239
is a hilarious quote. Yes,
also because I want a Yorkie really badly.

714
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.159
Yeah you do. I don't,
Bret, Bret, do you want

715
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:28.679
to give us a quote? I
do want to give you a quote,

716
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.320
but not a Yorkie. Not a
Yorkie. Sorry. Like y'all said so

717
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:39.719
many great choices, I'm gonna go
with my boy Higgins when he sees Rebecca

718
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:45.320
after she's talked to and consoled Keiley, and he says, why are you

719
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:52.480
dressed like an oomlout because he sees
the two black marks on Rebecca's you know,

720
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.239
cream colored or pale yellow dress,
whatever color it is or And I

721
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.440
just love that they feel so calm
to end their viewershow that they can make

722
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.239
a joke about an umlaut and then
it's going to land so good. Would

723
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:15.760
have been proud. Okay, that's
our show. If you'd like to dive

724
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.360
even deeper into the themes of this
episode, you can find more Ted Lasso

725
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.840
content in our show notes. You'll
find the links to our extensive notes in

726
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:28.679
the episode description. You can also
keep the conversation going on Twitter and Instagram.

727
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.800
Our handle on both is at ted
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728
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.639
for us to connect with each other
and for y'all to share your insights on

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the show. This episode of Richmond
Till We Die is brought to you by

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00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:44.000
Gin and Kerostene Productions. It was
produced by Me, Marissa, Me Christian

731
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.440
and Me Brett. If you enjoyed
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00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.199
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736
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:09.480
off for Marissa and Christian. Thanks
for listening. Until next time. Cheers

737
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:22.599
y'all. It makes me think,
you know how people talk about like butts

738
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:30.679
being like hams. Yeah, every
time someone talks about West Ham, I

739
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:35.639
just think of like the left side
of someone's

