Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and I have with me Martin Short no time, willis.
I never know what you're going to say, and ye unfortunately you know,
wife's busy, man. Yeah, well, what's so busy right now that
you can't do the most important thing that you do in your life, which
is my show? I know, I know, I actually I actually have
someone waiting for a business appointment. That's oh okay, Yeah, you got
to make some money so that a little bit work, yeah, just enough
to live. Yeah, because if you lose your house and everything and you're
in the street, it'll be more difficult for us to do these shows.
It will, but I am prepared to do it under the bridge if I
have to. A great all right, so let's get into it. First.
I'll talk about my guest. I don't know if you've had him on
your show, but i've got Antonio Paris, no Professor Antonio Paris. I've
had him on before, about a year ago or so, I think,
but he moved to Florida. He was in Washington at that time. At
that time he was working like with the Pentagon and DoD and now he is
a professor of astronomy. Yeah, so he's in astronomy and technology. He's
had a lot of exciting positions in in aerospace, and he's actually an astronaut
candidate right now, so it's a chance he'll go to space. But he's
also into UFOs and he's done UFO research for quite a while. He pops
up at conferences here and there, but of course he's a busy guy.
However, he's been getting in a lot of news articles, including like Discover
magazine, and some of you who follow you know, our daily news headlines
or my Facebook might have seen some of these stories because I've posted I think
all of them I've come across. But they are trying to reproduce the Wow
signal. Yeah, so this famous signal that could potentially be extraterrestrial. And
he's gotten a lot of press for this because he's written a paper and he's
a bona fide astronomer. So yeah, pretty exciting. Well, I talked
to Seth Shostak about the Wow signal. He said it was not in today's
world of study, it's not that big of a deal. What is the
I'm sure you're going to get into it. With the interview. But is
there a big difference between between what they're hearing today and the wow signal?
Well, they hear it sounds like they hear a lot of varieties now because
they could, they've done so much more. And uh, so we get
into that a bit. But so, for instance, it was a hydrogen
signal, not that I completely understand you know what that means, but uh,
at the time that was very rare, but now it's not. However,
we get into what that means. Uh, And essentially how and their
experiment, they're essentially the leading hypothesis as to what that signal was as far
as if it was something, you know, a celestial object. That's what
they're going to test to either prove that to be true or prove that to
be wrong. So wow, but we talk about that. So pretty interesting
stuff. Yeah, yeah, it'll be a good show, So a lot
of fun. But before we do that, with your limited time, let's
get into as much news as we can. And why don't you go ahead
and start us off? All right, we like, we have time,
we have plenty of time. We're fine. Yeah, all right, so
I'm Martin not so short on time, Willis. I'll make it work all
right, all right, So this is an interesting case. And I love
some of these old cases that are posted by Roger marsh on your website.
And this one is an Idaho witness sketches details from a low hovering UFO And
this one looks like all kinds of things. This happened back in nineteen seventy
seven, and it's a disc shape, and I encourage the listener to check
it out. It's a real funky looking disc if I've ever seen one.
It has like a I don't know what else to call. It looks like
a nipple top or something. It's really strange. It looks like some type
of baby pacifier or something. I'm not sure. Protrusion, yes, And
it seems to me there was some other discs from way in the past that
had some type of protrusion coming up like this. But anyway, this happened
back and this guy registered. The date is May fifth, nineteen seventy seven,
and he noticed this thing that was hovering over the roof of his neighbor's
house as he pulled in the driveway. And he didn't actually report this until
just recently March. Going all the way back to then and so that's a
good point. Someone can still report these things, it doesn't matter how far
back they are. So as he looked up from the road, he seemed
to hear in his mind like an authoritative male voice saying, this is not
of this world, which is kind of unusual. That's what he reported.
And he got out of the truck and he watched it for twenty or thirty
minutes, and his passenger did not stay outside with him. She went immediately
into their home as she was concerned for her safety and her children there were
there as well. But check out the drawings. This is really quite incredible.
And there's a drawing of the street where it was. Everything is pretty
detailed. Yeah, the drawings are fun. They remind me of like some
old Da Vinci or something like that because there's so many detailed notes. Oh
they have around annotated for sure. Yeah, heavily annotated, fogs whirling around
it, and the nature of the base of the craft and everything. So
yeah, really interesting signing. I agree now, And then we're in the
articles. As I mentioned, is this his original drawings that he did read
at the time it happened. You know what, I don't remember. I'm
assuming so, but I don't know that Roger addressed that. Yeah, yeah,
because I know that's really important if anyone has a sighting out there is
to immediately write down without being interrupted by anyone or any other witness. As
a matter of fact, make sure that you write your drawer, your own
pictures and notes as soon as you can, right after you have a sighting.
That's a good question though, I mean that would be important to know
as the windows were made, and it doesn't say so. Good question.
Yeah, So just to review a bit, I mean I had a show
all about this a couple of weeks ago, but the next news story here,
but I did want to mention it and hear if you know much about
this case, but that American Airline GUFO report that was heard on the Ham
radio. Oh yes, yeah. So I interviewed Erica Lukes about it and
then I wrote up a story about it, and it is pretty exciting.
I mean, it's really neat that they the guy heard this on his Ham
radio when he was listening to communications. And then you know, the researchers
were able to find the audio online and the airline audio archives and then do
a foyer request to get an official copy of that particular transmission, and so
it's pretty cool. Now has this Have they actually gotten the documents returned or
is it tapes they're actually looking for? No, they have, they've already.
It took only six weeks for the FAA to get back to them.
That's that's kind of record time from what I isn't it. Yeah, that's
really surprising that they got back so quickly, which is nice. It seems
like the FAA gets back fairly quickly with whatever they're going to get you,
if they're going to give you anything. But yeah, really surprising that they
very quickly came back with radar data some I guess logs and the audio.
Now names and stuff aren't in there, so they don't have the name of
the pilots and everything. And the only concern is that the researchers feel that
the audio might have been edited. It's difficult to say or not because in
the transmission, the guy says, I see a bright orange square. We're
flying over it. And he asked, do you know what that is?
And the tower says no. He says, it's below us. It's been
there for a while. Now we don't know what it is. What town
are we close to? And they say nephi Utah And he says, okay,
cool, Now, oh go see what I can find. So Mark
D'Antonio, for instance, it said it's a possibility that there was a controlled
fire below him on the ground, and that could be what it was,
and there were some radar hits there, but as the radar researcher says,
that could be due to you know it, they're a erratic. They're kind
of all over the place. It's not like one thing moving. And so
Mark's argument is that smoke does show up on radar and that's what it could
have been. So that's a possibility. However, the person who originally heard
the ham radio said he thought he heard them say that this object was a
mile wide and it was keeping pace with them. We don't have audio to
confirm that that's what they said, but that's what the witnesses is. Wow,
that's too bad you don't have that. Now. I've actually have heard
of I'm sure you heard this too, of one square looking orange UFO and
that was Jen Harson's sighting when he was young. I'm not sure if you're
aware of that. Well, oh yeah, I've had him on the several
times who got an interview on our website about with him on that. But
there wasn't a mile wide though. Well that was very different though. That
also had these weird like devices on it, like these landing pads and like
he said, springs, so like this technology that looked really old. Yeah,
his sighting is really weird, it is. I forgot about the springs.
You're right, Yeah, so pretty cool sighting he had there. Yeah,
so that's a really cool story. And just so people know that,
I do have that story up, so go check that out. Really interesting
stuff. Utah Moufon and Erica Lukes did a great job investigating this, along
with UFO's Northwest and William Puckett. Before we move on, I've heard that
it's very very difficult to get any radar data from the FAA. Is this
some have they changed their tune about that a little? I don't know.
I hear conflicting things because I had Robert Powell on not too long ago.
You've had him on recently even, and he's talked about how it's easier to
get radar data from the Air Force the FAA. However, they very easily,
it seems, got radar data from the FAA. So these things seem
hit or miss. I mean, I had a hard time. I've always
had a hard time getting stuff from the Air Force. I've gotten some,
but I don't know. I guess it's hit or miss. I don't know.
Yeah, how about that? Yeah weird. Otherwise, I guess the
last signing to talk about this is another Roger Marsh posting from mouf on another
one with some sketches, but this one's recent. So this was seen at
about ten pm on March eighth, twenty sixteen, so about a month ago.
And this is a triangular shape, and again somebody drew pictures of it.
So they said that they were traveling, you know, on the road
when they saw this craft coming. They saw a bunch of lights in a
configuration. At first they thought they were helicopters, but as they got closer
they saw that there was a color to the body of the object against the
dark sky, and that the lights were on all three corners, and between
there there were a couple of more white, very very very bright lights,
and this thing kind of coasted over them. They said they felt that it
was flat, and in the middle they did see a red light that was
a red light in the middle, So kind of strange. You know what's
funny too, is somebody noted and online in one of the social media that
it's weird. There are lots of black triangle sightings, but for the most
party, the configuration of the lights is not always exactly the same, right.
But you know a lot of times you do hear about a red or
amber light in the very center, which makes me wonder if if that has
anything to do with the propulsion or anti gravity or who knows what the heck
it is. It reminds me of those cookies. What are those cookies,
the jelly in the middle? Oh yeah, yeah, oh yes, from
Archway or something. Yeah, that's know what you mean. Those are delicious,
yummy. But yeah, so it is kind of weird. And I
had Sean Kevin Jason on last week talking about black triangles, and he had
a good point because he felt that it might have seemed like they're rimmed with
lights so that they can have those lights on in different configurations if they want.
You know. I had someone write me one time in I thought it
was kind of a good point. They said, why do they even have
any lights at all? Why would they need lights? Have you ever actually
contemplated that yourself? Yeah, well, LEAs Spiegel is always asking that question,
why would a UFO and extraterrestrial craft need lights? They wouldn't need any
lights, so why do they have him? He doesn't have an answer,
and neither do I. So one answer could be for our benefit or many
of these things. Also, like Sean Kevin Jason fields are black projects are
They're human made crafts, so of course they would need lights. But even
our craft, like our jets, go into a IR mode, so essentially
they turn off all of their visible lights and they turn on they use their
infrared lights, and they they put on infrared you know, glasses so they
can see each other. So I don't know, it's a great question,
and I kind of like the idea for possibly our benefit because hmm, I
kind of feel like, if you know, they wanted to be seen,
they would, Yeah, absolutely. And another thing about a black ops project
or something a secret craft. Boy, you know, it'd be kind of
exciting if we actually have cracked out any cracked the any gravity thing. And
also you know, propulsion without sound. That would be amazing. But it's
you know, again, I've had another listener kind of argued with me about
the fact that these are over populated areas. Why would they be if they're
military, and he says, it's very simple. That's how they need to
learn how to fly over different terrains and don't I don't know, or it
would be like Sean Kevin Jason Phil's I mean, he had I think he
made some great points. He had an amazing sighting where this black triangle appeared
up above him, and so Lee Spiegel had a signing like that, the
people here in Phoenix, Arizona had a signing like that. So his theory
is that they want people to see them occasionally and it's like a psyops kind
of project where they want people to believe that these black triangles are extraterrestrial,
and so they want to be seen about populated areas at time just so we
think that you know, they're they're not human, so and that kind of
hide their technology and plane sight and that makes a lot of sense. That's
kind of like what they talked about what they did with stealth or the what
was the real high altitude spyplane, the SR seventy one, right, So
they claim they basically let them be called UFOs because you know, along the
same lines of what you're saying right here. Yeah, so who knows.
But I'm like you, I think that that's really exciting if they turn out
to be human made. I felt more exciting excited about this when I was
younger, because it means that we have this amazing technology. Technology eventually will
get released to the public, and that means in my lifetime I could be
taking a trip to space. And I you know, I follow very closely
the commercial space projects and the space tourism. Not that I know that I'll
be able to afford to do anything like that, but the whole reason I've
been in this field, and I actually wasn't engineering major when I first went
into college because I wanted to be a rocket scientist. I wanted to get
into this sort of stuff. I just, you know, would love to
travel in space. I mean, traveling in space fascinates me and that may
even be amazing. My main motivation for just being in this field for ideas
that either we can already do it, or some other civilization can, so
somebody can give me a ride and I want to ride. Damn it.
Well, Alejandro, you're a rocket scientist to me, Oh, thanks,
buddy, But you know, hey, at the very least we may get
real hoverboards out of this. Oh no, yo, I wouldn't touch that.
I'm too old and too clumsy. I don't want to get on a
long board. You know, all the kids are doing these longboards and stuff.
I'll kill myself, all right, at least I'll fall down and it'll
hurt a lot. And I guess when you get older, you've fallen down
more and you realize that falling down actually hurts a lot. I don't want
to do that anymore. Yeah, especially when you're in the ice of snow
in the East coast. But you would get on a hoverboard? No,
no, no, no, are you kidding me now, Luke Skywalker kind
of hovercraft like thing that would be fun. Oh yeah, yeah. Just
punch in where you want to go and just sit back and relax. That'd
be fine. Pop your droids in the back seat and go for a ride,
right, all right, Well, that you have any other news you
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So thanks for being on the show yet again. Martin. Let's go ahead
and listen to this exciting interview with Professor Paris. I am very happy to
welcome Professor Antonio Paris to the show. I think last time you were on
the show, you weren't a professor. No, I was still up in
DC doing defense contractor work and chasing UFOs up in Maryland and DC at the
Pentagon. Well, you weren't chasing UFOs for the Pentagon, but you were
working at the Pentagon, No, And that's what's the funny part. You
know, when you are associated with Moufon and all of a sudden, your
real job, which pays the bills and all the other stuff, is at
the Department of Defense. People love to merge the two, and the first
thing they'll say, well, since you are what do you know about UFOs
at the Pentagon? And then we go down that lane, which I hate
to go down, but two separate things, And yeah, so I'm no
longer there. I'm here in Florida doing some cool astronomy. But I mean
your UFO work, I'm assuming I'm guessing didn't have an impact, a negative
impact on your job. That's not why you left. You left for to
pursue some other passions, right, Yeah. Basically it was a family issue.
My dad had passed away and my mother was up here in Florida or
down here in Florida, and I had made that promise that if things got
to the worst, I would move down to Florida to be with my family.
And that's basically what happened. Nothing to do with my job. I'm
still in contact with my friends and my bosses up in DC, and it
was it was an internal, private issue that I had to keep a promise.
M h. Well, now you're doing exciting seth. You're a professor
of astronomy at Saint Petersburg College, right, and then you're also working at
the Museum of Science and Industry. Yeah. So I'm the director of space
programs there and they initially hired me to manage and trained the planetarium staff there
as well, and we also had some contracts with NASA to provide awareness programs
to not reach programs, and we expanded that so we have several astronomy programs
there, including like telescope workshops, astrophotography workshops, a new lecture series called
Space Talk, so every month we have like cool topics like black holes and
wormholes. So we went from two to three space programs to about seventeen space
programs at Mosey in just over a year. Cool. How exciting. And
then you're also an astronaut candidate. Yeah, so that was about a year
ago. I was accepted into a project called Project Possum and it's a private
organization with NASA funding of course, to study the upper messosphere up in Alaska.
So that training act bring us for me this September, which is out
here in the Daytona at an Emirum Riddle and it's just a selection, which
I'm really excited about. So the intent is that they will train a couple
of dozen candidates with the intent of launching in twenty seventeen two to four astronauts.
So I have a good shot. You know. It went from a
couple of thousand in the pool of applicants to the to the selectees like myself,
and so it's just an honor being accepted and doing the training and hopefully
I get selected. You know, I'll work hard through the through the little
academy that they have and make sure that I'll do everything I can to make
it on the flight. Our flight to space, Yeah, it will be
a suborbital launch, and so we'll just cross the carame line. We'll do
some some some imagery analysis of these messosphere clouds and then they'll come back down
and they'll go back up. So it's it's multiple suborbital flight that is so
exciting. How cool. It is really cool. But you know, I'm
really motivated, and I just hope like there's no like cuts and funding or
things like that that'll do just rain them up parade. But you know,
just being accepted as a big honor. I'm really space geeking right now,
and I'm not going to go there because I want to ask so much about
space itself. I want to get into UFOs, but especially because I just
watched the SpaceX launch, which luckily it was successful. Yeah, that was
pretty cool. Yeah, and they've got the big low another the inflatable launch
as well, and that's going to be exciting. And I was always a
fan of that, you know, that's it's cheaper. It's deflatable as well
from what I read, so and as far as I was, I did
some little research out there, and allegedly they want to use these for perhaps
these asteroid redirect missions here in a couple of years. Wow, that'll be
pretty cool. Yeah, so pretty exciting. So he's another UFO enthusiast.
Now to get it off because I know people are going to be thinking about
it, and just to get get it out of the way. Yeah,
social or people are thinking, Okay, he worked for defense, he's working
on these NASA projects. Do you have you gotten a sense some people of
course are thinking, oh man, he must they must be hiding secrets,
you know, and Antonio must be have had to deal with with people maybe
the Men in Black visiting him or stuff like this. Has that ever happened
to you? I mean, did you get the sense that that was some
interest there? No. In fact, I would say that I myself have
has been branded as the men in Black because well, people see my you
know, I spent almost twenty years in the intelligence community, worked at the
Pentagon, did a lot of overseas stuff, and my hobby is just uf
posed. They have nothing to do with each other. And it's just funny
that, you know, when I work at the Pentagon and I just written
my first book, all my colleagues and staff members and the Pentagon would laugh
at me and like, you know, people are gonna ask that have you
seen anything here because you work at the Pentagon, And it was it was
funny. They were mocking me, and they called me, you know,
molder and all that funny stuff. And you know, twenty years in the
government and I've never in my life, you know, heard or even wanted
to look for stuff that related to UFOs, and all the stuff that it's
UFO related has been private on my own money, even going out to Area
fifty one where I did some research in the documentary again, nothing with the
government. That was on my own dime, and I would never you know,
I have no information whatsoever whether or not the government is still doing any
type of UFO research. I think a lot of this stuff comes from just
people, you know, and it's it's not their fault. It's just a
lot of TV, a lot of signs fiction and they try to put the
two together and and I can't go I can't walk three feet, you know,
after talking about a brief and immediately the words conspiracy or Antonio's part of
the conspiracy. And I laugh about it, you know, because and there's
nothing I can do. No matter what I do, I will always be
part of the conspiracy and no matter what. And that's and that's just not
me. There's other friends that I know that are part of MOFON and they
have government jobs just like I used to have, and they get the same
the same stuff. Right. Yeah, most of the people I knew like
were retired. But for instance, John Schusler who ran move on, James
Carrion or he worked for NASA. James Carrion worked in intelligence. He ran
mof ON for a while. One of the board members retired recently, Tom
Dooley worked in intelligence, and then of course Alexander worked in intelligence. But
they all have a similar story to you. Their jobs were just day to
day jobs, and people knew they had an interest in UFOs, but it
didn't have anything to do. They would lecture or tell their colleagues about UFOs,
but it's not like officially, you know, or job related anything like
that ever came up. And that's anywhere you go, whether you're a firefighter
of a police officer, or a baseball player or the President of the United
States, everyone has an interest in UFOs. And at that time I had
a lot of extra time to to join MUFON, become a star team member
and assistant State director and have you know. And you know, it was
a good experience. I had really good investigations. I had heard some interesting
stories, learned a lot about the you know, the move On's methods of
investigations and and you know, I was honored to be part of MUFON.
M Yeah. So it's it's it's and all of those people and yourselves,
you know, like you said, it happens to you as well. They
get labeled if they say there wasn't anything that they discovered then of course they're
lying and they're part of the conspiracy. But I've gotten to know all of
those gentlemen very very well. I've spent a lot of time, and they're
just regular people with jobs, you know, regular jobs and lives, who,
like everyone else, like yourself and myself, have an interest in the
topic. Yeah, and I still have an interest, and I'm still occasionally
looking at some really cool cases. Not too many here in Florida, but
we've got a couple of cases, you know, I still have my team
members up in DC, Michigan, and you know, we get a couple
of hundred cases a year, and we probably do maybe four or five good
cases a month. And wow, it's not a manpower thing. It's it's
just a we look at all the evidence and all the credibility of the witness,
and out of every ten cases we get, we narrow down to,
Okay, this case is is reasonable enough to actually investigate, you know,
And it's not something like most cases where we get, oh I saw something
twenty five years ago and I'm like, okay, I can't do nothing with
that, right. So we still, you know, we're not as active
as as we were three or four years ago, but I think we narrowed
her down to that we don't have to be that active because most cases,
really, you know, come up with the same stuff. It's just a
story. Mm hmm. Yeah. Really interesting. And I think what's interesting
is all of the stuff that you do and you still make times for you
make time for UFO research, So it seems like you have a pretty strong
passion towards it. I do, and and I'm you know, I just
had to talk what is her name? And I had to talk with a
lady. She's the movement state director in Utah. I just had her last
that's her, and we spoke about an hour on the phone yesterday, and
she wants me to assist her and looking into these orange orbs and these orange
lights that she keeps uh they keep her port up in the Utah area.
So we're gonna talk again next week and start looking at that stuff. You
know, is it related to anything coming out of the proving grounds and salt?
Is it a part of the whole what do they call it? The
Skinwalker Ranch area? So she's interested in that. We reached out to each
other, and you know, I think this spring, this summer, I'm
gonna go out to Utah and perhaps do an investigation with her and her team.
So in your investigation, or at least, it's one thing to have
proof, I guess it's another thing to have to speculate. But do you
believe then that there is a genuine phenomenon there's a mystery here when it comes
to UFOs, Oh, definitely. You know, I cannot, I cannot
I tell you that. You know, what is it? Fifteen twenty thousand
reports a year and I can't. I cannot tell you those are twenty thousand
crazy people. There's legitimate stuff being seen by very credible people, highly skilled,
intelligent people, sometimes even multiple witnesses, and in something's happening right now,
are they aliens? I don't know that. I hope they are.
You know, that's we all want that, right, We're so interested in
this. And you know, I have not jumped out, I have not
crossed that line yet. I've seen some really interesting cases. I've sat down
with some highly intelligent people that have no reason whatsoever to try to hoax or
you know, get some fame out of this. And this is why I'm
doing it. You know, I've done this for about twelve years now,
and if I thought there was nothing to it and there we're just a bunch
of loonies, I would have let this a long time ago, you know.
But I still get these occasional cases like I need to call this gentleman
or this lady and forgure out what is that they saw. And then it
gets more interesting when you get two or three people that have no relations with
each other sending the same reports. And I think that's pretty cool. Now.
Another thing that's pretty cool, and you're getting a lot of media for
this, and which was kind of the main reason we're having you on right
now is this project that you're working on, and it's exciting. Discover magazine
and all of these places also excited about this project where you're going to try
to recreate the Wow signal. Correct. Yeah, So the Wall signal is
a is a you know, forty almost a forty year old mystery that I've
been interested for a long time. Some of my colleagues have been interested for
a long time. And you know, the short version is, we detected
a hydrogen signal back in seventy seven, August seventy seven, and to this
date, we really don't know what it was. And The way this came
out was Evan Davies, the colleague who wrote the paper with me. We
were up in Washington, d C. Last year. We had just left
the Smithsonian and the topic of the intelligence in the universe and the WATP single
came up and we said, it has to be something you know, is
a natural phenomena. It's extraterristrial. But the big question was why hasn't it
returned? And the idea of the first thing that popped into my head was
could it be could have been a long term or short the long period comet
or a short period comic because we know they have some hydrogen and what you
know, and Evan and I, you know, we have we've got the
intelligence background and the investigative background, and we called this the crime scene.
So we know that in August fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven, uh, there
was a mission spect an emission signal that was detected. So we looked at
that suspect, We looked at the what the suspect looked like, what time
the suspect was in the crime scene area, and we had a lot,
you know, we read all the papers that were written by the VLA Ohio
State and they still could not detect. They still didn't know what it was.
And we said, okay, let's revisit the crime scene, and we
went to various legitimate websites, including JPL NASA, and we used something kind
of like a wayback machine. So we entered the writer a session and declination
values and the date. So on August fifteen, nineteen seventy seven, on
the very same date that the Wile sgnle was detected. Oh and by the
way, in the very same area which was in the constellation Sagittarius, there
were two comments and I said to myself, wait a minute, this can
this can this be right? So we spent almost three months making sure that
the data was correct, that the WILE signal was in this exact area,
the Wile signal was just this time, which was exactly twenty three, sixteen
eastern daylight time, and we went back and checked three or four different databases
to make sure that these comments were in that very same area, the same
time, same date. And that's what it came down to, Hey,
we've got an unknown seventy two second hydrogen line signal which found this specific frequency.
And then we did research for a couple of months on comets and the
anatomy of comets, and and how comics transit and uh, some of the
hydrogen that's omitted from these comets. So that's what it came down to.
We have a crime scene with a description of the suspect, and now we
have two suspects that fit the suspects background. But more importantly, we're at
the crime scene the day this event happened. So that's what we're trying to
do. So, you know, I cannot It's takes too long for me
to get radio telescope time from VLA or universities. Some of these people require
like three or four years in advance, including including up to perhaps even a
million dollars to get telescope time. So I said, you know what,
I'm gonna build my own telescope. I'm gonna build my own red telescope.
So I reached out to various companies that build professional radio telescopes for universities,
and I narrated down to two companies. Had said, okay, it's gonna
cause about thirteen to sixteen thousand dollars, and I said, I'm going to
start a crowdfunding effort here, and we're close we're almost up to eight thousand
dollars now. And that's the idea. It's not to debunk, it's not
to find nalien signals, is to see these two comments will come back around
in January of twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. I'm going to shoot and point
the telescopes and see if these comments, you know, could be the culprits
right. And the good part is, Alejandro, is that if they're not
the comments, it's still good science because now we produced those two guys.
And so the important part I think of all this you just said it is
that we have reopened the door to a discussion to something that's kind of been
quiet for probably twenty years now. The WOW signal and the media attention,
all the interviews I've done, and all you know and all the people have
talked to. It's not, you know, like I wrote a paper.
When I wrote this page, I did my due diligence. I sent it
out to SETI, I sent it out to Ohio State. I sent it
out to probably twenty to thirty different radio astronomers. They all came back with
questions. A good handful don't think it's the comment, but they were like,
go for it anyway, and the paper was peer reviewed by the astronomy
community, so I think we have a good chance of at a minimum,
is trying to figure out if these were comments or not, so we'll see
the VLA so people know that's the very largeer rate in New Mexico. In
fact, on my Facebook that's what where I'm at on that top picture.
But I also want to add that when the VLA, Ohio State and several
other organizations did go back in nineteen ninety five, ninety six, ninety eight,
ninety nine, and two thousand and six pointed their telescopes at that very
same location for several weeks, and they detected nothing. So I went back,
and I wanted to make sure that the comics were not in the areas
during all those searches, and guess what they were not, so that that
could be a reason why the signal was intermittent. They heard it once and
every time they went back, the comet was already gone and not in the
area. So I'm assuming that not just me, but a lot of people
with radio telescopes will be pointing, you know, the dishes to Sagittarius here
in January, m hmm. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
So it's exciting now to understand this a little better. You said it was
a hydrogen signal. How does this signal? Or if I'm not sure if
I'm even using the right terminology, but how is this signal? Hydrogen?
Helped me a very layman. I understand that if you look at all the
elements and all the things in the universe, they all have specific frequencies.
They emit specific frequencies, and in this case in nineteen seven seven, what
was detected by the bigger telescope at the time was a very strong signal at
the frequency that matches something known as the hydrogen line, and that is at
fourteen twenty zero five megahertz. Comets, the hydrogen clouds of comets have very
similar anatomies. You know, comets are basically dirty snowballs, and as they
get closer to the Sun, they melt and the hydrogen is emitted into space.
Some comets, like Heilbop have hydrogen clouds. It's just massive hydrogen cloud
sometimes millions of miles in diameter. And if we have two comets with two
massive hydrogen clouds, and those hydrogen clouds are basically the same frequency. Perhaps
perhaps they were the source of the of that signal in nineteen seventy seven.
And then if it's on this hydrogen line, and you know that's not something
uncommon to find out on comments, why did they write Wow? What makes
it a significant signal and what makes it potentially extraterrestrial? Well? Two main
things, And I think the first one is that in nineteen seventy seven,
almost forty years ago, the radio astronomy world, just like the technology world,
was not as advanced as today. So looking up at the sky at
that time and detecting something this strong was something that was very anomalous. It
was like, wow, what is this? So when they saw that strong
hydrogen signal, out of surprise, they wrote while on it and that became
the nickname of the of the Wold signal. But again, forty years later,
when you look at all the astronomy blogs and some of the NASA websites,
they have detective signals that are just as strong and similar because of ampleans
and technology and radio astronomy, et cetera. So, and then going back
to those second I think part of that question is that several astronomers, especially
in the SETI community. Back in the sixties and seventies, they postulated that
the potential extraterrestrials will probably used microwaves or radio signals using hydrogen for communications for
long distances. And I think so back then, back technology, that hypothesis
that aliens will use the hydrogen line for technology for communications, that is what
gave it the big emphasis of the wow. And is there anything else in
the signal that indicates technology or could possibly No, there's nothing. The only
two things that makes it a really exciting signal is that actually three things.
It was very strong, it lasted for seventy two seconds, and the third
one is it's never been redetected at least from the set from that point in
the Sagit Areas constellation. So when you were shopping around your your hypothesis essentially
uh, and that there were some who said, you know, some of
these astronomers had said, we don't think it is a comment. Why why
do they think it possible? It would not be Well, the idea was
that or there were I guess their personal I guess their idea was that there
wasn't enough data to suggest that comments could commit radio signals that strong and and
you know when I told them, okay, but you have to read the
background data, Like I'm not going to put everything in the paper, So
in the bibliography, for example, there's a lot of data in there from
other astronomers to suggest that comments could potentially emit strong hydrogen signals that way.
More importantly, now we have two comments, so when you put the two
hydrogen clouds together, it makes for a stronger and massive comment and and more
importantly, for a very rare event. The unfortunate the thing that I didn't
talk about is that at that time in nineteen seventy seven, the orbital parameters
for these two comets place them in the same location for that rare event,
and we won't see the same event again for about six hundred years when the
two comments are back in the same place. So when they come around in
January, they're gonna be in a different configuration. Will they not be as
close? That will be just as still be just as close. Orbits follow
the same orbits. My only concern is that it's been forty years and these
comments probably have lost some mass, So it's gone around the Derby forty times,
and if if there's anything we know about commets is that they get smaller
and smaller, so perhaps the radio signals won't be strong. But you know,
what I would really like to see is that all this enthusiasm that's build
up is that we're gonna have. There's already one of my neighbors is already
building his radio telescope for January. So we're starting to see I think a
lot of people that are gonna point their telescope and the more data we get,
the better. And my goal is to set up a network here in
January where people can point their telescopes and if they have any data, they
can just submit and we can put it all collectively together and who knows,
may may you know, I have a good feeling it could be the comments.
And if it's not, it's you know, someone asked me that are
you going to be upset if it's not the comments, I'm like, no,
why would it be upset? It's science, you know, mm hmm.
Yeah, it's exciting either way. I mean, if it is the
comments, it's really exciting because you know, you were able to lead the
way to to make this discovery, and certainly the news will cover it quite
a bit and then we'll have an ending to the Wow story finally after all
of these years. However, if it's not it, then it adds to
the mystery and the mission continues. The mystery continues, and you know,
and we can look at other things. The good thing about the radio telescope
is that it won't be dismantled. So the the intent is that in between
research, we're gonna use it for other galactic research and we'll we'll switch out
the receivers and I'm really interested in pulsars and quasars and I want to do
some some of that research while the other comic comes around in twenty eighteen.
So it benefits everyone. You know, we're gonna try to figure out what
this mystery is if we if we figure if we detect that there are comments,
then that's great. If they're not, that's still great because we can
rule that out. And just like you, you know, we love a
good mystery. And if you know, it's it'll be a cold case.
If it's uh, if it's not the comments, and we'll just continue looking
for the answer. You know, I'm not looking to debunk it. I
you know, I'm personally open that perhaps it could be extratercity, right,
that'd be kind of neat. Yeah. If it's not, then we you
know, we keep looking. M M. Now you're crowdfunding the radio telescope.
Correct, yep? Cool? And how is that going? It's going
pretty good. I didn't think I was gonna get this far away this quick,
and I think my goal was thirteen thousand dollars is about with the telescope,
the receiver and telescope receiver and the LNA the feed horn would cost.
So I was like, oh my god. And the lead time for this
is sixteen weeks. So even when I get the money, it takes them
sixteen weeks to build it and send it. So I was like, time
is short. So when I put out the crowdfunding about almost three weeks ago,
I was like, this is gonna take forever. And I was amazed
that we're over halfway. Now we're at almost at eight thousand. Awesome,
And so when do you have to have that money? No later than July,
so we have plenty of time to get it by July so we can
submit the purchase order. Telescope will be done and we're looking hopefully by August,
and then I want to play with it, you know, September to
December is to actually learn how to use it and perhaps through some extra research
and then look at some other comments that might be in the area and then
just get you know it basically a rehearsal for January. Cool. So where
are you crowdfunding at? It said, go fund me and it's just called
the Wild Signal Experiment. Okay, awesome, And would you offer people like,
if they donated, they could come, you know in January maybe and
check it out or something. Oh yeah, so we do want to host
like a little sky party and skywatches for a regular strutty, but we're already
talking about hosting a SkyWatch for that night. Some rules like no cell phones
and things like that because it'll ruin some of the reception. But not only
that, everyone that has been donating so far. We're actually having a plaque
made with everyone's name. It really micro you know, encased in there,
so every everyone's name will be etched onto the actual telescope, which would be
kind of cool. That's really cool. Sweet, Okay, that's gonna be
a lot of fun. It is gonna be fun. Yeah, and it's
uh so science is fun, right, uh huh. Science is awesome.
So I feel anyway people tend to think of science like old, boring people
in labs growing old and cheese doodles on their breath. And it's not.
It's fun and it's exciting. And even today with social media and and and
all the networking involved, it gets even more exciting. It is fun.
And I think people in the UFO field get frustrated because science sets a very
very high bar. But and I think so a lot of people get disillusioned
and and they don't even want to strive for it. But I think it's
exciting. I think that it's something you know, extraordinary claim to require extraordinary
evidence, So how extraordinary would it be to get there? So why not
just strive to meet It takes hard mm hmm. And and and I think,
and we you have to do it the right way. So it wasn't
like I just said, I tweeted, Okay, I I think I know
what the Watson is. I'm gonna go for I. We worked on our
paper for a year, so we did a lot of research. We had
a lot of work. We talked to NASA, we visited several, you
know, tons of locations that related to NASA to make sure our data was
correct, and then we peer reviewed it. We sent it to the Washington
Academy of Sciences, which was the chair up there as part of the American
Natronomical Society. They loved it. They sent it back and made us,
made us do some corrections, and it was so was peer reviewed research.
So that's part one. And it takes and some people just don't have the
stomach or the patients to to do that kind of stuff, like writing for
a year before you physically go out and do the investigation and the research.
Having work with these people and being an astronomer yourself. You know, what
do you say to people who suspect set He has gotten signals but they're hiding
that information, or that even if they did, they wouldn't get that to
the public. You know, I heard that in the last few weeks.
There's been all kinds of conspiracies going around that Antonio Seti is telling you they're
not comments because they don't want you to debunk it or find the truth,
or that they do have radio signals. You know, I don't like to
as much as fun those things are. And I read all the conspiracy websites
and blocks for fun. I don't I SETI is it? What is a
forty to fifty old entity. People have come and gone. That information would
have leaked a long time ago. And that's that's my good feeling, you
know, like actual data, not just rumors like this is what you know
people that's back confessions, you know, all that stuff that we hear the
UFOLK community. I think something like that would have probably uh probably already would
have been out in the open. There's nothing to gain from that, you
know, uh, you know, I know they I know they are a
nonprofit and the and their their funds are driven by donations. But I would
suspect that if if they did have something, bringing it out into the open
would actually be potentially better for them because the money would just pour in,
like okay, keep researching, we're you know, And so I just I
don't think so m h. And it's almost like there's two different ideas.
There's the idea that SETI it's just there for show, and so the government
can pretend like they're looking for ets even though a lot of people don't know
that SETI is in the government organization or good yeah it's government. Yeah yeah.
And then there's the other train of thought or that's not as prominent in
the UFO field or but in the mainstream, is that this is uh scientists
who are interested in the possibility of extraterreastural intelligence putting their best foot forward and
at least doing something to try to discover whether or not that scenario it is
true. Yeah, most people don't understand that SETI is just is bigger than
looking for life in the universe. They are doing a lot of stuff in
the astronomy field, radio astronomy, and during my own personal research, I've
learned that SETI. Because of SETI, the radio telescope technology has catapulted.
I mean they have gone from like ones and zeros and and those old computer
cards to like the techno, the amazing technology we have today because of SETI.
So, just like Apple and Google, those people that have catapult technology
in the astronomy world, SETI has as has as as that's their part.
That's what they've done to us. They've they've given us so much and they're
more than just like the universe. They're looking at galaxies now and habitable world
and extra solar planets, and so they're doing a lot of stuff that's not
even SETI related, right, which is pretty exciting. Yeah. And that's
why I it seems like, you know, since you are familiar, a
lot of people are concerned that they the SETI community doesn't respect UFO research.
Do you find that to be the case? Yeah. I find that to
be the case in a lot of situations, not just SETI. And it
all just comes down to if you look at the UFO phenomena, it's just
it always comes down to things like distance travels, the technologies and energy requirements
for interstellar travel, and the old SETI which is still around. They've contrived
that if there's no doubt about it, they all think and believe that there's
life out there in some somewhere in the Milky Way galaxy or perhaps other galaxies.
But them getting their UFOs and coming down here, I just they don't
just buy it. I think that's the problem. So it's not that set
he doesn't believe in aliens. It's that they don't believe that the aliens themselves
have traveled to here and you know, abducting people for the last you know,
millennia. And that's what's funny, is that that commonality that belief in
extraterrestrial intelligence is a big deal. I mean you're talking about mainstream scientists.
So for instance, your project is really exciting to many scientists you have found
and so is a wow signal. I mean they're really interested in the possibility
of extraterrestrial intelligence. Well, it comes down to the math. You know,
if you look at the observable universe, you know, there's what ten
septilian potential stars out there, and if you only take one percent of that,
there are potentially one hundred billion planets out there, you know, in
just our Milky Way alone. So it's an exciting time. It's only been
what in nineteen ninety seven we found our first extra solar planet, and now
you know, almost twenty years later, we're in the thousands and the thousands
of finding these planets and some of them are probably earthlike hopefully, And so
as technology grows, we're learning more about the universe and the math. You
know, if all the things involved that were required for us to be here
right the Sun, the Earth, evolution time is important, and we do
a comparatitive search of other objects that look like ours, a similar sun,
similar planet, similar atmospheres and gravity. Then the numbers are astronomical, you
know. So my personal belief is that there should be life out there,
and the only problem is is distance. You know, it's just so far
away. It takes ten years just to get to Pluto, right, so
imagine another star system. But you feel, I mean, with you're interested
in the UFO field, I mean, I'm assuming that you feel it is
possible that there is a civilization out there that's conquered that that problem. Yeah,
there has to be in my opinion, and that's my personal opinion that
there has to be life in the universe in all stages of advancements or in
their evolution. So there has to be life in the universe that are still
microbial. There has to be life in the universe that are just getting out
of their case. For for intensive purposes speaking, there has to be life
in the universe. There are millions of years advanced from us, and that
their technology, if they have technology, has to be far in advanced in
US. And so there has to be life out there in all stages of
what we call intelligent life. And who knows, perhaps some have conquered the
long distances of travel, you know, and it's it's we I just have
not seen it here. You know, there are conspiracies over they're here,
they're hiding, we're not ready. That could be a fact. I'm not
saying that's not true, but you know, uh, just like you,
I just want to know if they're here, why don't think they make themselves
known? And more importantly, I want to know how did they get here?
What was the technology involved to to to make it through those long journeys?
Perhaps they were generational? Do our laws apply universally? I know the
speed limit for us is the speed of light? But does that apply to
other lives out there where they able to conquer that? So I'm really you
know, that's the That's the excitement that I like, is that you and
I, you know, we're constrained to our beliefs, our maths, our
science, our theories. That doesn't mean that something else out there has conquered
those theories. Mm hmm. And it could be. Do you think it
could be that they are They have been able to get here. It's just
that we only can't they only allow glimpses. Yeah, there's that's a possibility.
You know, there's there's people that say they could be interdimensional theory.
They're using time travel, they're using portals like up in Utah. You know,
I've heard those stories before, multi universes, they can just come and
go and things like that. That's a possibility. You know, those are
things that I would love to entertain. The difficulty is trying to investigate and
collect data is the important thing for me, the data. I need data
to to actually crunch and investigate and more importantly, try to replicate. That's
what the science, you know, the whole science cycle is is you experiment,
and that's unfortunately we just can't get that in the UFO community. You
know, we get that, we get the interviews. We you might collect
some evidence like photographic or video, maybe some trace evidence sometimes allegedly there's some
radiation left behind, But sitting down and interviewing the alien or or looking at
their actual spacecraft or motor transportation is the part we're lacking. Some people say,
oh, the government's got it. It's hiding somewhere in area fifty one.
That could be true. I'm not saying it's not true, but I
have not seen it. Yeah, we don't have the data exactly. I
mean, so people get frustrated because I've said several times in interviews, and
I think it's important to the mainstream. You say it very quickly that we
don't have proof of something like alien abduction. We don't have that data.
But you know, a lot of people claim to be communicating with alien so
I mean it's a possibility, but we don't have that data. Yeah,
we have. We have a lot of information. We have a lot of
and a lot of it's good, a lot of it's crap, you know,
you know, know, there's a lot of garbage on the Internet.
But there's a lot of good data out there. But you need more than
data. Uh, you can come up all different hypotheses like I did with
my wild signal. Right, that's just a hypothesis. That's good data.
But I need to go to step two now, and that's actually look at
the comments, track the comets, uh, see if they're they're eminating in
the signals that there's my date, there's my evidence for lack of purposes,
and then deduce whether or not these guys were it. I don't have that
in your full community. I don't have nothing to physically touch, analyze and
determine whether this specific thing is that you trust you I'm hoping, who knows,
maybe it's out there, maybe someone's found it. I the only thing
I can say is I have not personally seen it. My team has not
seen it, and as far as I know, Mofon has not seen it.
Mofon's got a lot of great cases and evidence and uh and an adultal
evidence, but uh. And I I always like to leave it as when
I visit the Smithsonian and there's an actual alien craft there, then we can
close the shop. Yeah. So given that, when your colleagues, and
I'm sure it happened, ask you, why do you, you know,
take this UFO thing so seriously? What do you tell them? It's it's
it's my passion that everyone has a passion. People like to scoobl die,
if people like to jump out of planes. And I think that given my
background in science and investigations, that I can contribute to to this. It's
really a truly amazing phenomena. Right, It's it's it's a cult. Now,
there's a big following, there's it's almost like a religion. But the
most important thing is when you have, for example, a retired FBI agent
sit down with me and tell me, Antonio, I'm married. I love
my job. I I and this is what I saw. I was not
drunk, I was not tired driving throughout the night. This is what I
saw. Can you please help me try to explain what it is? And
when we're talking about like a a football sized black triangle that's making zero noise,
it's hovering, and his phone shuts off, his car shuts off,
you know you want to say what? Okay, you want you want to
dig deeper and figure out what's going on here? M hm well cool,
Well, thank you. I think we're about out of time, but this
is so interesting. We'll definitely put the link to the GoFundMe in the page.
And do you have another page where you have like your UFO research.
Yeah, the UFO research is aerial dash phenomenon dot org Aerial phenomenon dot org.
And I guess another thing, just to mention something else that you work
on is education. Yeah, that's a big thing for me. In fact,
next week, at least once a week, I go to high schools,
elementary schools, Catholic schools, you name it, and there's in Florida.
The Department of Education in Florida did a survey statewide to see what interest
the kids had in school and space was their number one thing, astronomy and
space. And we've been doing so much outreach, talking about Mars, talking
about Jupiter, the Moon, Io and Europa, all the cool technologies in
space, and recently now the while signal. So I did my first talk
last week at a conference and so, yeah, I loved nothing. Nothing
makes my day, Alejandro. Then watching a eight year old kid looking through
a telescope and seeing Saturn for the first time and saying, this is what
I want to do when I grow up, and I'm like, holy cow.
So I give them a book I signed for them, and those kids
are really excited. And this ouch reach is all part of the Center for
Planetary Science, It's Center for Planning to your Science and the Museum of Science
and Industry. So it's both hats that I'm tackling. Froutwich. Okay,
well, awesome, it's such exciting stuff. We'll have to stay in touch.
It's really exciting to see. I mean, how much has happened for
you in last year. And I've just been really delighted. And I don't
know if you've noticed, I've been tweeting and facebooking all the stories about your
Wow Signal projects that have been coming across, so we appreciate it. Thank
you so much for being on the show again. Hopefully next time we talk
we have an answer. Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much to Antonio
or Professor Paris, I should say, for being on the show. What
a cool name. Professor Paris sounds like a character on Doctor Who. I've
been just binge watching Doctor Who lately, which has been wonderful. Thank you
to Amazon. Anyway, it was great to have him on the show to
talk about it, his interest in UFOs and his project. It's so great
that his project is getting so much media attention. So if right now you
go google the Wow Signal, you'll probably find the stories about him and his
project, especially if you click the news tab there, you'll see everything that
he's up to right now. And so that's really cool, and it's cool
that he has a genuine interest in UFOs and is curious about what's going on.
So people like this I think are great advocates, especially people with backgrounds
like his, for this field and helping us find new answers to this old
phenomenon. So it's very exciting. Thank you so much. Go and check
out his Kickstarter and keep tabs on him, and maybe if you live in
the area, if you're in Florida, you can go check out his SkyWatch
in January and be part of what may be history in the I mean,
if they find out it's a comment, that'll be big news and that'll be
a part of the Wow signal, you know, mythology or the story out
there, and the Wow signal is definitely something that interests media and just people
out there all over the place because of what it could represent. But as
we talked about, either way, I think the news is going to be
very interested in their findings, so it'd be fun to be a part of
that. In fact, I'm gonna be visiting Florida for the first time in
August. That's right. I have actually never been to Florida before, and
it sounds like a wonderful place, so I'm excited to be going there.
I'll be going there for the move On Symposium, and I'm gonna be speaking
about official government UFO agencies. So these are agencies that governments sponsor throughout the
world. But the reasons why these were organizations have started are typically because of
some incredible sightings. So it some really interesting history out there that I don't
think many people know about. I mean some just amazing sightings. Sightings that
are so amazing they caused their government to begin investigating the UFO phenomena. How
cool is that? So that'll be my first trip to Florida because a move
On symposium will be in Florida in late August. So you can check out
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Caleb Hanks who does the opening and close music, and to everyone else involved.
So thank you. That means you the listener. Yeah, you sitting
there, or you driving on the road or you typing and doing something exciting
at work, or most likely not exciting at work. I apologize for that,
but thank you all very much for listening, and we will be back
next week with another spade tack. You guess, so we'll see you next
week. Are you smooth, Chutt Old