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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I have with
me Martin Short no time, willis.

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I never know what you're going to
say, and ye unfortunately you know,

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wife's busy, man. Yeah,
well, what's so busy right now that

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you can't do the most important thing
that you do in your life, which

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is my show? I know,
I know, I actually I actually have

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someone waiting for a business appointment.
That's oh okay, Yeah, you got

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to make some money so that a
little bit work, yeah, just enough

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to live. Yeah, because if
you lose your house and everything and you're

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in the street, it'll be more
difficult for us to do these shows.

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It will, but I am prepared
to do it under the bridge if I

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have to. A great all right, so let's get into it. First.

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I'll talk about my guest. I
don't know if you've had him on

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your show, but i've got Antonio
Paris, no Professor Antonio Paris. I've

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had him on before, about a
year ago or so, I think,

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but he moved to Florida. He
was in Washington at that time. At

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that time he was working like with
the Pentagon and DoD and now he is

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a professor of astronomy. Yeah,
so he's in astronomy and technology. He's

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had a lot of exciting positions in
in aerospace, and he's actually an astronaut

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candidate right now, so it's a
chance he'll go to space. But he's

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also into UFOs and he's done UFO
research for quite a while. He pops

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up at conferences here and there,
but of course he's a busy guy.

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However, he's been getting in a
lot of news articles, including like Discover

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magazine, and some of you who
follow you know, our daily news headlines

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or my Facebook might have seen some
of these stories because I've posted I think

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all of them I've come across.
But they are trying to reproduce the Wow

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signal. Yeah, so this famous
signal that could potentially be extraterrestrial. And

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he's gotten a lot of press for
this because he's written a paper and he's

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a bona fide astronomer. So yeah, pretty exciting. Well, I talked

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to Seth Shostak about the Wow signal. He said it was not in today's

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world of study, it's not that
big of a deal. What is the

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I'm sure you're going to get into
it. With the interview. But is

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there a big difference between between what
they're hearing today and the wow signal?

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Well, they hear it sounds like
they hear a lot of varieties now because

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they could, they've done so much
more. And uh, so we get

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into that a bit. But so, for instance, it was a hydrogen

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signal, not that I completely understand
you know what that means, but uh,

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at the time that was very rare, but now it's not. However,

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we get into what that means.
Uh, And essentially how and their

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experiment, they're essentially the leading hypothesis
as to what that signal was as far

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as if it was something, you
know, a celestial object. That's what

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they're going to test to either prove
that to be true or prove that to

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be wrong. So wow, but
we talk about that. So pretty interesting

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stuff. Yeah, yeah, it'll
be a good show, So a lot

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of fun. But before we do
that, with your limited time, let's

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get into as much news as we
can. And why don't you go ahead

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and start us off? All right, we like, we have time,

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we have plenty of time. We're
fine. Yeah, all right, so

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I'm Martin not so short on time, Willis. I'll make it work all

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right, all right, So this
is an interesting case. And I love

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some of these old cases that are
posted by Roger marsh on your website.

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And this one is an Idaho witness
sketches details from a low hovering UFO And

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this one looks like all kinds of
things. This happened back in nineteen seventy

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seven, and it's a disc shape, and I encourage the listener to check

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it out. It's a real funky
looking disc if I've ever seen one.

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It has like a I don't know
what else to call. It looks like

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a nipple top or something. It's
really strange. It looks like some type

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of baby pacifier or something. I'm
not sure. Protrusion, yes, And

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it seems to me there was some
other discs from way in the past that

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had some type of protrusion coming up
like this. But anyway, this happened

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back and this guy registered. The
date is May fifth, nineteen seventy seven,

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and he noticed this thing that was
hovering over the roof of his neighbor's

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house as he pulled in the driveway. And he didn't actually report this until

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just recently March. Going all the
way back to then and so that's a

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good point. Someone can still report
these things, it doesn't matter how far

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back they are. So as he
looked up from the road, he seemed

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to hear in his mind like an
authoritative male voice saying, this is not

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of this world, which is kind
of unusual. That's what he reported.

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And he got out of the truck
and he watched it for twenty or thirty

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minutes, and his passenger did not
stay outside with him. She went immediately

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into their home as she was concerned
for her safety and her children there were

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there as well. But check out
the drawings. This is really quite incredible.

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And there's a drawing of the street
where it was. Everything is pretty

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detailed. Yeah, the drawings are
fun. They remind me of like some

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old Da Vinci or something like that
because there's so many detailed notes. Oh

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they have around annotated for sure.
Yeah, heavily annotated, fogs whirling around

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it, and the nature of the
base of the craft and everything. So

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yeah, really interesting signing. I
agree now, And then we're in the

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articles. As I mentioned, is
this his original drawings that he did read

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at the time it happened. You
know what, I don't remember. I'm

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assuming so, but I don't know
that Roger addressed that. Yeah, yeah,

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because I know that's really important if
anyone has a sighting out there is

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to immediately write down without being interrupted
by anyone or any other witness. As

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a matter of fact, make sure
that you write your drawer, your own

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pictures and notes as soon as you
can, right after you have a sighting.

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That's a good question though, I
mean that would be important to know

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as the windows were made, and
it doesn't say so. Good question.

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Yeah, So just to review a
bit, I mean I had a show

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all about this a couple of weeks
ago, but the next news story here,

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but I did want to mention it
and hear if you know much about

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this case, but that American Airline
GUFO report that was heard on the Ham

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radio. Oh yes, yeah.
So I interviewed Erica Lukes about it and

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then I wrote up a story about
it, and it is pretty exciting.

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I mean, it's really neat that
they the guy heard this on his Ham

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radio when he was listening to communications. And then you know, the researchers

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were able to find the audio online
and the airline audio archives and then do

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a foyer request to get an official
copy of that particular transmission, and so

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it's pretty cool. Now has this
Have they actually gotten the documents returned or

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is it tapes they're actually looking for? No, they have, they've already.

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It took only six weeks for the
FAA to get back to them.

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That's that's kind of record time from
what I isn't it. Yeah, that's

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really surprising that they got back so
quickly, which is nice. It seems

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like the FAA gets back fairly quickly
with whatever they're going to get you,

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if they're going to give you anything. But yeah, really surprising that they

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very quickly came back with radar data
some I guess logs and the audio.

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Now names and stuff aren't in there, so they don't have the name of

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the pilots and everything. And the
only concern is that the researchers feel that

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the audio might have been edited.
It's difficult to say or not because in

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the transmission, the guy says,
I see a bright orange square. We're

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flying over it. And he asked, do you know what that is?

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And the tower says no. He
says, it's below us. It's been

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there for a while. Now we
don't know what it is. What town

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are we close to? And they
say nephi Utah And he says, okay,

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cool, Now, oh go see
what I can find. So Mark

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D'Antonio, for instance, it said
it's a possibility that there was a controlled

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fire below him on the ground,
and that could be what it was,

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and there were some radar hits there, but as the radar researcher says,

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that could be due to you know
it, they're a erratic. They're kind

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of all over the place. It's
not like one thing moving. And so

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Mark's argument is that smoke does show
up on radar and that's what it could

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have been. So that's a possibility. However, the person who originally heard

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the ham radio said he thought he
heard them say that this object was a

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mile wide and it was keeping pace
with them. We don't have audio to

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confirm that that's what they said,
but that's what the witnesses is. Wow,

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that's too bad you don't have that. Now. I've actually have heard

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of I'm sure you heard this too, of one square looking orange UFO and

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that was Jen Harson's sighting when he
was young. I'm not sure if you're

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aware of that. Well, oh
yeah, I've had him on the several

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times who got an interview on our
website about with him on that. But

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there wasn't a mile wide though.
Well that was very different though. That

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also had these weird like devices on
it, like these landing pads and like

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he said, springs, so like
this technology that looked really old. Yeah,

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his sighting is really weird, it
is. I forgot about the springs.

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You're right, Yeah, so pretty
cool sighting he had there. Yeah,

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so that's a really cool story.
And just so people know that,

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I do have that story up,
so go check that out. Really interesting

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stuff. Utah Moufon and Erica Lukes
did a great job investigating this, along

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with UFO's Northwest and William Puckett.
Before we move on, I've heard that

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it's very very difficult to get any
radar data from the FAA. Is this

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some have they changed their tune about
that a little? I don't know.

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I hear conflicting things because I had
Robert Powell on not too long ago.

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You've had him on recently even,
and he's talked about how it's easier to

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get radar data from the Air Force
the FAA. However, they very easily,

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it seems, got radar data from
the FAA. So these things seem

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hit or miss. I mean,
I had a hard time. I've always

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had a hard time getting stuff from
the Air Force. I've gotten some,

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but I don't know. I guess
it's hit or miss. I don't know.

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Yeah, how about that? Yeah
weird. Otherwise, I guess the

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last signing to talk about this is
another Roger Marsh posting from mouf on another

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one with some sketches, but this
one's recent. So this was seen at

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about ten pm on March eighth,
twenty sixteen, so about a month ago.

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And this is a triangular shape,
and again somebody drew pictures of it.

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So they said that they were traveling, you know, on the road

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when they saw this craft coming.
They saw a bunch of lights in a

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configuration. At first they thought they
were helicopters, but as they got closer

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they saw that there was a color
to the body of the object against the

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dark sky, and that the lights
were on all three corners, and between

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there there were a couple of more
white, very very very bright lights,

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and this thing kind of coasted over
them. They said they felt that it

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was flat, and in the middle
they did see a red light that was

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a red light in the middle,
So kind of strange. You know what's

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funny too, is somebody noted and
online in one of the social media that

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it's weird. There are lots of
black triangle sightings, but for the most

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party, the configuration of the lights
is not always exactly the same, right.

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But you know a lot of times
you do hear about a red or

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amber light in the very center,
which makes me wonder if if that has

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anything to do with the propulsion or
anti gravity or who knows what the heck

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it is. It reminds me of
those cookies. What are those cookies,

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the jelly in the middle? Oh
yeah, yeah, oh yes, from

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Archway or something. Yeah, that's
know what you mean. Those are delicious,

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yummy. But yeah, so it
is kind of weird. And I

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had Sean Kevin Jason on last week
talking about black triangles, and he had

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a good point because he felt that
it might have seemed like they're rimmed with

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lights so that they can have those
lights on in different configurations if they want.

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You know. I had someone write
me one time in I thought it

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was kind of a good point.
They said, why do they even have

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any lights at all? Why would
they need lights? Have you ever actually

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contemplated that yourself? Yeah, well, LEAs Spiegel is always asking that question,

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why would a UFO and extraterrestrial craft
need lights? They wouldn't need any

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lights, so why do they have
him? He doesn't have an answer,

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and neither do I. So one
answer could be for our benefit or many

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of these things. Also, like
Sean Kevin Jason fields are black projects are

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They're human made crafts, so of
course they would need lights. But even

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our craft, like our jets,
go into a IR mode, so essentially

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they turn off all of their visible
lights and they turn on they use their

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infrared lights, and they they put
on infrared you know, glasses so they

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can see each other. So I
don't know, it's a great question,

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and I kind of like the idea
for possibly our benefit because hmm, I

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kind of feel like, if you
know, they wanted to be seen,

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they would, Yeah, absolutely.
And another thing about a black ops project

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or something a secret craft. Boy, you know, it'd be kind of

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exciting if we actually have cracked out
any cracked the any gravity thing. And

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also you know, propulsion without sound. That would be amazing. But it's

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you know, again, I've had
another listener kind of argued with me about

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the fact that these are over populated
areas. Why would they be if they're

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military, and he says, it's
very simple. That's how they need to

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learn how to fly over different terrains
and don't I don't know, or it

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would be like Sean Kevin Jason Phil's
I mean, he had I think he

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made some great points. He had
an amazing sighting where this black triangle appeared

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up above him, and so Lee
Spiegel had a signing like that, the

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people here in Phoenix, Arizona had
a signing like that. So his theory

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is that they want people to see
them occasionally and it's like a psyops kind

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of project where they want people to
believe that these black triangles are extraterrestrial,

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and so they want to be seen
about populated areas at time just so we

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think that you know, they're they're
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hide their technology and plane sight and
that makes a lot of sense. That's

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kind of like what they talked about
what they did with stealth or the what

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was the real high altitude spyplane,
the SR seventy one, right, So

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they claim they basically let them be
called UFOs because you know, along the

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same lines of what you're saying right
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to be human made. I felt
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younger, because it means that we
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get released to the public, and
that means in my lifetime I could be

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taking a trip to space. And
I you know, I follow very closely

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the commercial space projects and the space
tourism. Not that I know that I'll

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be able to afford to do anything
like that, but the whole reason I've

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into this sort of stuff. I
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travel in space. I mean,
traveling in space fascinates me and that may

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even be amazing. My main motivation
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that either we can already do it, or some other civilization can, so

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somebody can give me a ride and
I want to ride. Damn it.

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Well, Alejandro, you're a rocket
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buddy, But you know, hey, at the very least we may get

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real hoverboards out of this. Oh
no, yo, I wouldn't touch that.

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I'm too old and too clumsy.
I don't want to get on a

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long board. You know, all
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I'll kill myself, all right,
at least I'll fall down and it'll

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hurt a lot. And I guess
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more and you realize that falling down
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to do that anymore. Yeah,
especially when you're in the ice of snow

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in the East coast. But you
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no, no, no, are
you kidding me now, Luke Skywalker kind

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of hovercraft like thing that would be
fun. Oh yeah, yeah. Just

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punch in where you want to go
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be fine. Pop your droids in
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right, all right, Well,
that you have any other news you

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wanted to talk about, buddy,
not that I can think of. Okay,

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shaved yet. I am shaving my
head in two days and I'm starting

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to get butterflies. But I'm just
gonna just gotta have it done. I'm

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just gonna do it. Yeah.
Wow. So anyway, if you haven't

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It's worthwhile. That's right, Thanks
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So thanks for being on the show
yet again. Martin. Let's go ahead

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and listen to this exciting interview with
Professor Paris. I am very happy to

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welcome Professor Antonio Paris to the show. I think last time you were on

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the show, you weren't a professor. No, I was still up in

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DC doing defense contractor work and chasing
UFOs up in Maryland and DC at the

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Pentagon. Well, you weren't chasing
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working at the Pentagon, No,
And that's what's the funny part. You

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know, when you are associated with
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real job, which pays the bills
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the Department of Defense. People love
to merge the two, and the first

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thing they'll say, well, since
you are what do you know about UFOs

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at the Pentagon? And then we
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to go down, but two separate
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longer there. I'm here in Florida
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your UFO work, I'm assuming I'm
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impact on your job. That's not
why you left. You left for to

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pursue some other passions, right,
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down here in Florida, and I
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to the worst, I would move
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And that's basically what happened. Nothing
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still in contact with my friends and
my bosses up in DC, and it

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was it was an internal, private
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M h. Well, now you're
doing exciting seth. You're a professor

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of astronomy at Saint Petersburg College,
right, and then you're also working at

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the Museum of Science and Industry.
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programs there and they initially hired me
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as well, and we also had
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to not reach programs, and we
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there, including like telescope workshops,
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Space Talk, so every month we
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wormholes. So we went from two
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programs at Mosey in just over a
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then you're also an astronaut candidate.
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ago. I was accepted into a
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organization with NASA funding of course,
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So that training act bring us for
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here in the Daytona at an Emirum
Riddle and it's just a selection, which

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I'm really excited about. So the
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of dozen candidates with the intent of
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So I have a good shot.
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couple of thousand in the pool of
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and so it's just an honor being
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I get selected. You know,
I'll work hard through the through the little

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academy that they have and make sure
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it on the flight. Our flight
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a suborbital launch, and so we'll
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some some some imagery analysis of these
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and they'll go back up. So
it's it's multiple suborbital flight that is so

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exciting. How cool. It is
really cool. But you know, I'm

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really motivated, and I just hope
like there's no like cuts and funding or

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things like that that'll do just rain
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just being accepted as a big honor. I'm really space geeking right now,

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and I'm not going to go there
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space itself. I want to get
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watched the SpaceX launch, which luckily
it was successful. Yeah, that was

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pretty cool. Yeah, and they've
got the big low another the inflatable launch

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as well, and that's going to
be exciting. And I was always a

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fan of that, you know,
that's it's cheaper. It's deflatable as well

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from what I read, so and
as far as I was, I did

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some little research out there, and
allegedly they want to use these for perhaps

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these asteroid redirect missions here in a
couple of years. Wow, that'll be

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pretty cool. Yeah, so pretty
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Now to get it off because I
know people are going to be thinking about

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it, and just to get get
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social or people are thinking, Okay, he worked for defense, he's working

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on these NASA projects. Do you
have you gotten a sense some people of

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course are thinking, oh man,
he must they must be hiding secrets,

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you know, and Antonio must be
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the Men in Black visiting him or
stuff like this. Has that ever happened

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to you? I mean, did
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interest there? No. In fact, I would say that I myself have

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has been branded as the men in
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know, I spent almost twenty years
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Pentagon, did a lot of overseas
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posed. They have nothing to do
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that, you know, when I
work at the Pentagon and I just written

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my first book, all my colleagues
and staff members and the Pentagon would laugh

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at me and like, you know, people are gonna ask that have you

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seen anything here because you work at
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funny. They were mocking me,
and they called me, you know,

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molder and all that funny stuff.
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government and I've never in my life, you know, heard or even wanted

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to look for stuff that related to
UFOs, and all the stuff that it's

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UFO related has been private on my
own money, even going out to Area

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fifty one where I did some research
in the documentary again, nothing with the

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government. That was on my own
dime, and I would never you know,

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I have no information whatsoever whether or
not the government is still doing any

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type of UFO research. I think
a lot of this stuff comes from just

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people, you know, and it's
it's not their fault. It's just a

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lot of TV, a lot of
signs fiction and they try to put the

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two together and and I can't go
I can't walk three feet, you know,

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after talking about a brief and immediately
the words conspiracy or Antonio's part of

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the conspiracy. And I laugh about
it, you know, because and there's

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nothing I can do. No matter
what I do, I will always be

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part of the conspiracy and no matter
what. And that's and that's just not

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me. There's other friends that I
know that are part of MOFON and they

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have government jobs just like I used
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the same stuff. Right. Yeah, most of the people I knew like

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were retired. But for instance,
John Schusler who ran move on, James

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Carrion or he worked for NASA.
James Carrion worked in intelligence. He ran

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mof ON for a while. One
of the board members retired recently, Tom

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Dooley worked in intelligence, and then
of course Alexander worked in intelligence. But

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they all have a similar story to
you. Their jobs were just day to

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day jobs, and people knew they
had an interest in UFOs, but it

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didn't have anything to do. They
would lecture or tell their colleagues about UFOs,

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but it's not like officially, you
know, or job related anything like

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that ever came up. And that's
anywhere you go, whether you're a firefighter

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of a police officer, or a
baseball player or the President of the United

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States, everyone has an interest in
UFOs. And at that time I had

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a lot of extra time to to
join MUFON, become a star team member

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and assistant State director and have you
know. And you know, it was

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a good experience. I had really
good investigations. I had heard some interesting

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stories, learned a lot about the
you know, the move On's methods of

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investigations and and you know, I
was honored to be part of MUFON.

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M Yeah. So it's it's it's
and all of those people and yourselves,

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you know, like you said,
it happens to you as well. They

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get labeled if they say there wasn't
anything that they discovered then of course they're

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lying and they're part of the conspiracy. But I've gotten to know all of

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those gentlemen very very well. I've
spent a lot of time, and they're

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just regular people with jobs, you
know, regular jobs and lives, who,

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like everyone else, like yourself and
myself, have an interest in the

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topic. Yeah, and I still
have an interest, and I'm still occasionally

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looking at some really cool cases.
Not too many here in Florida, but

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we've got a couple of cases,
you know, I still have my team

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members up in DC, Michigan,
and you know, we get a couple

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of hundred cases a year, and
we probably do maybe four or five good

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cases a month. And wow,
it's not a manpower thing. It's it's

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just a we look at all the
evidence and all the credibility of the witness,

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and out of every ten cases we
get, we narrow down to,

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Okay, this case is is reasonable
enough to actually investigate, you know,

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And it's not something like most cases
where we get, oh I saw something

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twenty five years ago and I'm like, okay, I can't do nothing with

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that, right. So we still, you know, we're not as active

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as as we were three or four
years ago, but I think we narrowed

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her down to that we don't have
to be that active because most cases,

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really, you know, come up
with the same stuff. It's just a

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story. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Really interesting. And I think what's interesting

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is all of the stuff that you
do and you still make times for you

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make time for UFO research, So
it seems like you have a pretty strong

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passion towards it. I do,
and and I'm you know, I just

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had to talk what is her name? And I had to talk with a

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lady. She's the movement state director
in Utah. I just had her last

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that's her, and we spoke about
an hour on the phone yesterday, and

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she wants me to assist her and
looking into these orange orbs and these orange

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lights that she keeps uh they keep
her port up in the Utah area.

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So we're gonna talk again next week
and start looking at that stuff. You

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know, is it related to anything
coming out of the proving grounds and salt?

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Is it a part of the whole
what do they call it? The

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Skinwalker Ranch area? So she's interested
in that. We reached out to each

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other, and you know, I
think this spring, this summer, I'm

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gonna go out to Utah and perhaps
do an investigation with her and her team.

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So in your investigation, or at
least, it's one thing to have

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proof, I guess it's another thing
to have to speculate. But do you

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believe then that there is a genuine
phenomenon there's a mystery here when it comes

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to UFOs, Oh, definitely.
You know, I cannot, I cannot

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I tell you that. You know, what is it? Fifteen twenty thousand

408
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.720
reports a year and I can't.
I cannot tell you those are twenty thousand

409
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:49.160
crazy people. There's legitimate stuff being
seen by very credible people, highly skilled,

410
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:55.240
intelligent people, sometimes even multiple witnesses, and in something's happening right now,

411
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:59.200
are they aliens? I don't know
that. I hope they are.

412
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.799
You know, that's we all want
that, right, We're so interested in

413
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.440
this. And you know, I
have not jumped out, I have not

414
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.599
crossed that line yet. I've seen
some really interesting cases. I've sat down

415
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:15.680
with some highly intelligent people that have
no reason whatsoever to try to hoax or

416
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:21.119
you know, get some fame out
of this. And this is why I'm

417
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.519
doing it. You know, I've
done this for about twelve years now,

418
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.559
and if I thought there was nothing
to it and there we're just a bunch

419
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.559
of loonies, I would have let
this a long time ago, you know.

420
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.279
But I still get these occasional cases
like I need to call this gentleman

421
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.160
or this lady and forgure out what
is that they saw. And then it

422
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:42.240
gets more interesting when you get two
or three people that have no relations with

423
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.799
each other sending the same reports.
And I think that's pretty cool. Now.

424
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.480
Another thing that's pretty cool, and
you're getting a lot of media for

425
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.319
this, and which was kind of
the main reason we're having you on right

426
00:33:53.359 --> 00:34:00.400
now is this project that you're working
on, and it's exciting. Discover magazine

427
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.880
and all of these places also excited
about this project where you're going to try

428
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:13.079
to recreate the Wow signal. Correct. Yeah, So the Wall signal is

429
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.679
a is a you know, forty
almost a forty year old mystery that I've

430
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.679
been interested for a long time.
Some of my colleagues have been interested for

431
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:24.079
a long time. And you know, the short version is, we detected

432
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:29.440
a hydrogen signal back in seventy seven, August seventy seven, and to this

433
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.679
date, we really don't know what
it was. And The way this came

434
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.480
out was Evan Davies, the colleague
who wrote the paper with me. We

435
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.440
were up in Washington, d C. Last year. We had just left

436
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:46.679
the Smithsonian and the topic of the
intelligence in the universe and the WATP single

437
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:52.519
came up and we said, it
has to be something you know, is

438
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.519
a natural phenomena. It's extraterristrial.
But the big question was why hasn't it

439
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:02.159
returned? And the idea of the
first thing that popped into my head was

440
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.440
could it be could have been a
long term or short the long period comet

441
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:15.199
or a short period comic because we
know they have some hydrogen and what you

442
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.679
know, and Evan and I,
you know, we have we've got the

443
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:22.599
intelligence background and the investigative background,
and we called this the crime scene.

444
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.159
So we know that in August fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven, uh, there

445
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.400
was a mission spect an emission signal
that was detected. So we looked at

446
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:37.320
that suspect, We looked at the
what the suspect looked like, what time

447
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.400
the suspect was in the crime scene
area, and we had a lot,

448
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.039
you know, we read all the
papers that were written by the VLA Ohio

449
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.960
State and they still could not detect. They still didn't know what it was.

450
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.159
And we said, okay, let's
revisit the crime scene, and we

451
00:35:54.199 --> 00:36:04.280
went to various legitimate websites, including
JPL NASA, and we used something kind

452
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.199
of like a wayback machine. So
we entered the writer a session and declination

453
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:13.039
values and the date. So on
August fifteen, nineteen seventy seven, on

454
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.840
the very same date that the Wile
sgnle was detected. Oh and by the

455
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.679
way, in the very same area
which was in the constellation Sagittarius, there

456
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.519
were two comments and I said to
myself, wait a minute, this can

457
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.960
this can this be right? So
we spent almost three months making sure that

458
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.280
the data was correct, that the
WILE signal was in this exact area,

459
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.239
the Wile signal was just this time, which was exactly twenty three, sixteen

460
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:44.719
eastern daylight time, and we went
back and checked three or four different databases

461
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.599
to make sure that these comments were
in that very same area, the same

462
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.360
time, same date. And that's
what it came down to, Hey,

463
00:36:52.400 --> 00:37:00.480
we've got an unknown seventy two second
hydrogen line signal which found this specific frequency.

464
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.800
And then we did research for a
couple of months on comets and the

465
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.400
anatomy of comets, and and how
comics transit and uh, some of the

466
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.039
hydrogen that's omitted from these comets.
So that's what it came down to.

467
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.719
We have a crime scene with a
description of the suspect, and now we

468
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:25.400
have two suspects that fit the suspects
background. But more importantly, we're at

469
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.199
the crime scene the day this event
happened. So that's what we're trying to

470
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:37.480
do. So, you know,
I cannot It's takes too long for me

471
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.800
to get radio telescope time from VLA
or universities. Some of these people require

472
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.519
like three or four years in advance, including including up to perhaps even a

473
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.599
million dollars to get telescope time.
So I said, you know what,

474
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.440
I'm gonna build my own telescope.
I'm gonna build my own red telescope.

475
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.760
So I reached out to various companies
that build professional radio telescopes for universities,

476
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.599
and I narrated down to two companies. Had said, okay, it's gonna

477
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.199
cause about thirteen to sixteen thousand dollars, and I said, I'm going to

478
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.039
start a crowdfunding effort here, and
we're close we're almost up to eight thousand

479
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.239
dollars now. And that's the idea. It's not to debunk, it's not

480
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.960
to find nalien signals, is to
see these two comments will come back around

481
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.239
in January of twenty seventeen and twenty
eighteen. I'm going to shoot and point

482
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.800
the telescopes and see if these comments, you know, could be the culprits

483
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.920
right. And the good part is, Alejandro, is that if they're not

484
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.880
the comments, it's still good science
because now we produced those two guys.

485
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.760
And so the important part I think
of all this you just said it is

486
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:46.360
that we have reopened the door to
a discussion to something that's kind of been

487
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:52.199
quiet for probably twenty years now.
The WOW signal and the media attention,

488
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.280
all the interviews I've done, and
all you know and all the people have

489
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.280
talked to. It's not, you
know, like I wrote a paper.

490
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.079
When I wrote this page, I
did my due diligence. I sent it

491
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.119
out to SETI, I sent it
out to Ohio State. I sent it

492
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.800
out to probably twenty to thirty different
radio astronomers. They all came back with

493
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.199
questions. A good handful don't think
it's the comment, but they were like,

494
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.880
go for it anyway, and the
paper was peer reviewed by the astronomy

495
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.960
community, so I think we have
a good chance of at a minimum,

496
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:27.239
is trying to figure out if these
were comments or not, so we'll see

497
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.960
the VLA so people know that's the
very largeer rate in New Mexico. In

498
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:37.440
fact, on my Facebook that's what
where I'm at on that top picture.

499
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:45.360
But I also want to add that
when the VLA, Ohio State and several

500
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:52.000
other organizations did go back in nineteen
ninety five, ninety six, ninety eight,

501
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.800
ninety nine, and two thousand and
six pointed their telescopes at that very

502
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.119
same location for several weeks, and
they detected nothing. So I went back,

503
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:06.639
and I wanted to make sure that
the comics were not in the areas

504
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.840
during all those searches, and guess
what they were not, so that that

505
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:15.079
could be a reason why the signal
was intermittent. They heard it once and

506
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.000
every time they went back, the
comet was already gone and not in the

507
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.159
area. So I'm assuming that not
just me, but a lot of people

508
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:28.239
with radio telescopes will be pointing,
you know, the dishes to Sagittarius here

509
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.199
in January, m hmm. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

510
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:37.159
So it's exciting now to understand this
a little better. You said it was

511
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:42.000
a hydrogen signal. How does this
signal? Or if I'm not sure if

512
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.519
I'm even using the right terminology,
but how is this signal? Hydrogen?

513
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.239
Helped me a very layman. I
understand that if you look at all the

514
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:57.000
elements and all the things in the
universe, they all have specific frequencies.

515
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.079
They emit specific frequencies, and in
this case in nineteen seven seven, what

516
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:06.800
was detected by the bigger telescope at
the time was a very strong signal at

517
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:13.440
the frequency that matches something known as
the hydrogen line, and that is at

518
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:20.400
fourteen twenty zero five megahertz. Comets, the hydrogen clouds of comets have very

519
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:25.239
similar anatomies. You know, comets
are basically dirty snowballs, and as they

520
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.360
get closer to the Sun, they
melt and the hydrogen is emitted into space.

521
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.599
Some comets, like Heilbop have hydrogen
clouds. It's just massive hydrogen cloud

522
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:44.440
sometimes millions of miles in diameter.
And if we have two comets with two

523
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:50.719
massive hydrogen clouds, and those hydrogen
clouds are basically the same frequency. Perhaps

524
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.400
perhaps they were the source of the
of that signal in nineteen seventy seven.

525
00:41:54.440 --> 00:42:01.639
And then if it's on this hydrogen
line, and you know that's not something

526
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:07.000
uncommon to find out on comments,
why did they write Wow? What makes

527
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:15.639
it a significant signal and what makes
it potentially extraterrestrial? Well? Two main

528
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.599
things, And I think the first
one is that in nineteen seventy seven,

529
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.079
almost forty years ago, the radio
astronomy world, just like the technology world,

530
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.920
was not as advanced as today.
So looking up at the sky at

531
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.440
that time and detecting something this strong
was something that was very anomalous. It

532
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.760
was like, wow, what is
this? So when they saw that strong

533
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:43.519
hydrogen signal, out of surprise,
they wrote while on it and that became

534
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.119
the nickname of the of the Wold
signal. But again, forty years later,

535
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.400
when you look at all the astronomy
blogs and some of the NASA websites,

536
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.039
they have detective signals that are just
as strong and similar because of ampleans

537
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:59.519
and technology and radio astronomy, et
cetera. So, and then going back

538
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.800
to those second I think part of
that question is that several astronomers, especially

539
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:08.599
in the SETI community. Back in
the sixties and seventies, they postulated that

540
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:17.440
the potential extraterrestrials will probably used microwaves
or radio signals using hydrogen for communications for

541
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.719
long distances. And I think so
back then, back technology, that hypothesis

542
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.920
that aliens will use the hydrogen line
for technology for communications, that is what

543
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.920
gave it the big emphasis of the
wow. And is there anything else in

544
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:40.000
the signal that indicates technology or could
possibly No, there's nothing. The only

545
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:45.079
two things that makes it a really
exciting signal is that actually three things.

546
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:52.360
It was very strong, it lasted
for seventy two seconds, and the third

547
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:57.599
one is it's never been redetected at
least from the set from that point in

548
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:02.599
the Sagit Areas constellation. So when
you were shopping around your your hypothesis essentially

549
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.840
uh, and that there were some
who said, you know, some of

550
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.360
these astronomers had said, we don't
think it is a comment. Why why

551
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:15.239
do they think it possible? It
would not be Well, the idea was

552
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:21.960
that or there were I guess their
personal I guess their idea was that there

553
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.679
wasn't enough data to suggest that comments
could commit radio signals that strong and and

554
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:31.239
you know when I told them,
okay, but you have to read the

555
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.400
background data, Like I'm not going
to put everything in the paper, So

556
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.079
in the bibliography, for example,
there's a lot of data in there from

557
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.559
other astronomers to suggest that comments could
potentially emit strong hydrogen signals that way.

558
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.199
More importantly, now we have two
comments, so when you put the two

559
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:55.000
hydrogen clouds together, it makes for
a stronger and massive comment and and more

560
00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:00.679
importantly, for a very rare event. The unfortunate the thing that I didn't

561
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.280
talk about is that at that time
in nineteen seventy seven, the orbital parameters

562
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.000
for these two comets place them in
the same location for that rare event,

563
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.960
and we won't see the same event
again for about six hundred years when the

564
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.880
two comments are back in the same
place. So when they come around in

565
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.519
January, they're gonna be in a
different configuration. Will they not be as

566
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.480
close? That will be just as
still be just as close. Orbits follow

567
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.159
the same orbits. My only concern
is that it's been forty years and these

568
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.880
comments probably have lost some mass,
So it's gone around the Derby forty times,

569
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.079
and if if there's anything we know
about commets is that they get smaller

570
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:44.639
and smaller, so perhaps the radio
signals won't be strong. But you know,

571
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:50.079
what I would really like to see
is that all this enthusiasm that's build

572
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.039
up is that we're gonna have.
There's already one of my neighbors is already

573
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:58.159
building his radio telescope for January.
So we're starting to see I think a

574
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:02.360
lot of people that are gonna point
their telescope and the more data we get,

575
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:07.079
the better. And my goal is
to set up a network here in

576
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.400
January where people can point their telescopes
and if they have any data, they

577
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:13.519
can just submit and we can put
it all collectively together and who knows,

578
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.920
may may you know, I have
a good feeling it could be the comments.

579
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.079
And if it's not, it's you
know, someone asked me that are

580
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:20.639
you going to be upset if it's
not the comments, I'm like, no,

581
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.639
why would it be upset? It's
science, you know, mm hmm.

582
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.760
Yeah, it's exciting either way.
I mean, if it is the

583
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.800
comments, it's really exciting because you
know, you were able to lead the

584
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.800
way to to make this discovery,
and certainly the news will cover it quite

585
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.039
a bit and then we'll have an
ending to the Wow story finally after all

586
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:44.599
of these years. However, if
it's not it, then it adds to

587
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.320
the mystery and the mission continues.
The mystery continues, and you know,

588
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.840
and we can look at other things. The good thing about the radio telescope

589
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.559
is that it won't be dismantled.
So the the intent is that in between

590
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.079
research, we're gonna use it for
other galactic research and we'll we'll switch out

591
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.199
the receivers and I'm really interested in
pulsars and quasars and I want to do

592
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.480
some some of that research while the
other comic comes around in twenty eighteen.

593
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.639
So it benefits everyone. You know, we're gonna try to figure out what

594
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.000
this mystery is if we if we
figure if we detect that there are comments,

595
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.840
then that's great. If they're not, that's still great because we can

596
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:28.800
rule that out. And just like
you, you know, we love a

597
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.639
good mystery. And if you know, it's it'll be a cold case.

598
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.880
If it's uh, if it's not
the comments, and we'll just continue looking

599
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.000
for the answer. You know,
I'm not looking to debunk it. I

600
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.960
you know, I'm personally open that
perhaps it could be extratercity, right,

601
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:49.239
that'd be kind of neat. Yeah. If it's not, then we you

602
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:55.000
know, we keep looking. M
M. Now you're crowdfunding the radio telescope.

603
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:59.920
Correct, yep? Cool? And
how is that going? It's going

604
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:06.800
pretty good. I didn't think I
was gonna get this far away this quick,

605
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.000
and I think my goal was thirteen
thousand dollars is about with the telescope,

606
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:20.000
the receiver and telescope receiver and the
LNA the feed horn would cost.

607
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.880
So I was like, oh my
god. And the lead time for this

608
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:27.119
is sixteen weeks. So even when
I get the money, it takes them

609
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.800
sixteen weeks to build it and send
it. So I was like, time

610
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.960
is short. So when I put
out the crowdfunding about almost three weeks ago,

611
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.079
I was like, this is gonna
take forever. And I was amazed

612
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.840
that we're over halfway. Now we're
at almost at eight thousand. Awesome,

613
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.480
And so when do you have to
have that money? No later than July,

614
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.920
so we have plenty of time to
get it by July so we can

615
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:54.480
submit the purchase order. Telescope will
be done and we're looking hopefully by August,

616
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.679
and then I want to play with
it, you know, September to

617
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:02.559
December is to actually learn how to
use it and perhaps through some extra research

618
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.719
and then look at some other comments
that might be in the area and then

619
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:13.239
just get you know it basically a
rehearsal for January. Cool. So where

620
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.840
are you crowdfunding at? It said, go fund me and it's just called

621
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:22.519
the Wild Signal Experiment. Okay,
awesome, And would you offer people like,

622
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.559
if they donated, they could come, you know in January maybe and

623
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.840
check it out or something. Oh
yeah, so we do want to host

624
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:36.079
like a little sky party and skywatches
for a regular strutty, but we're already

625
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.880
talking about hosting a SkyWatch for that
night. Some rules like no cell phones

626
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.320
and things like that because it'll ruin
some of the reception. But not only

627
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:53.000
that, everyone that has been donating
so far. We're actually having a plaque

628
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:59.280
made with everyone's name. It really
micro you know, encased in there,

629
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:05.159
so every everyone's name will be etched
onto the actual telescope, which would be

630
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.719
kind of cool. That's really cool. Sweet, Okay, that's gonna be

631
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.280
a lot of fun. It is
gonna be fun. Yeah, and it's

632
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:15.639
uh so science is fun, right, uh huh. Science is awesome.

633
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:22.800
So I feel anyway people tend to
think of science like old, boring people

634
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:28.000
in labs growing old and cheese doodles
on their breath. And it's not.

635
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.880
It's fun and it's exciting. And
even today with social media and and and

636
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:36.559
all the networking involved, it gets
even more exciting. It is fun.

637
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.920
And I think people in the UFO
field get frustrated because science sets a very

638
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:47.400
very high bar. But and I
think so a lot of people get disillusioned

639
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.159
and and they don't even want to
strive for it. But I think it's

640
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:57.679
exciting. I think that it's something
you know, extraordinary claim to require extraordinary

641
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.199
evidence, So how extraordinary would it
be to get there? So why not

642
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.719
just strive to meet It takes hard
mm hmm. And and and I think,

643
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.639
and we you have to do it
the right way. So it wasn't

644
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.880
like I just said, I tweeted, Okay, I I think I know

645
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.360
what the Watson is. I'm gonna
go for I. We worked on our

646
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.599
paper for a year, so we
did a lot of research. We had

647
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.440
a lot of work. We talked
to NASA, we visited several, you

648
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:28.519
know, tons of locations that related
to NASA to make sure our data was

649
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.960
correct, and then we peer reviewed
it. We sent it to the Washington

650
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:36.280
Academy of Sciences, which was the
chair up there as part of the American

651
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.880
Natronomical Society. They loved it.
They sent it back and made us,

652
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:44.920
made us do some corrections, and
it was so was peer reviewed research.

653
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.920
So that's part one. And it
takes and some people just don't have the

654
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.400
stomach or the patients to to do
that kind of stuff, like writing for

655
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:58.199
a year before you physically go out
and do the investigation and the research.

656
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:04.760
Having work with these people and being
an astronomer yourself. You know, what

657
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.559
do you say to people who suspect
set He has gotten signals but they're hiding

658
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.519
that information, or that even if
they did, they wouldn't get that to

659
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.480
the public. You know, I
heard that in the last few weeks.

660
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:22.719
There's been all kinds of conspiracies going
around that Antonio Seti is telling you they're

661
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.880
not comments because they don't want you
to debunk it or find the truth,

662
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.760
or that they do have radio signals. You know, I don't like to

663
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:36.920
as much as fun those things are. And I read all the conspiracy websites

664
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:42.239
and blocks for fun. I don't
I SETI is it? What is a

665
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.239
forty to fifty old entity. People
have come and gone. That information would

666
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.800
have leaked a long time ago.
And that's that's my good feeling, you

667
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:52.679
know, like actual data, not
just rumors like this is what you know

668
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.000
people that's back confessions, you know, all that stuff that we hear the

669
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:01.079
UFOLK community. I think something like
that would have probably uh probably already would

670
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:05.079
have been out in the open.
There's nothing to gain from that, you

671
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.719
know, uh, you know,
I know they I know they are a

672
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:13.400
nonprofit and the and their their funds
are driven by donations. But I would

673
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.719
suspect that if if they did have
something, bringing it out into the open

674
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.760
would actually be potentially better for them
because the money would just pour in,

675
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:28.480
like okay, keep researching, we're
you know, And so I just I

676
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.880
don't think so m h. And
it's almost like there's two different ideas.

677
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.559
There's the idea that SETI it's just
there for show, and so the government

678
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:43.119
can pretend like they're looking for ets
even though a lot of people don't know

679
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.039
that SETI is in the government organization
or good yeah it's government. Yeah yeah.

680
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.599
And then there's the other train of
thought or that's not as prominent in

681
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.880
the UFO field or but in the
mainstream, is that this is uh scientists

682
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:05.960
who are interested in the possibility of
extraterreastural intelligence putting their best foot forward and

683
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:12.159
at least doing something to try to
discover whether or not that scenario it is

684
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:16.000
true. Yeah, most people don't
understand that SETI is just is bigger than

685
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.599
looking for life in the universe.
They are doing a lot of stuff in

686
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:25.400
the astronomy field, radio astronomy,
and during my own personal research, I've

687
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:32.760
learned that SETI. Because of SETI, the radio telescope technology has catapulted.

688
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:38.079
I mean they have gone from like
ones and zeros and and those old computer

689
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:42.840
cards to like the techno, the
amazing technology we have today because of SETI.

690
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.920
So, just like Apple and Google, those people that have catapult technology

691
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:53.880
in the astronomy world, SETI has
as has as as that's their part.

692
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:59.039
That's what they've done to us.
They've they've given us so much and they're

693
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.440
more than just like the universe.
They're looking at galaxies now and habitable world

694
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:07.360
and extra solar planets, and so
they're doing a lot of stuff that's not

695
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.719
even SETI related, right, which
is pretty exciting. Yeah. And that's

696
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:19.360
why I it seems like, you
know, since you are familiar, a

697
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:25.679
lot of people are concerned that they
the SETI community doesn't respect UFO research.

698
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.840
Do you find that to be the
case? Yeah. I find that to

699
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.480
be the case in a lot of
situations, not just SETI. And it

700
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:38.559
all just comes down to if you
look at the UFO phenomena, it's just

701
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:45.079
it always comes down to things like
distance travels, the technologies and energy requirements

702
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:51.320
for interstellar travel, and the old
SETI which is still around. They've contrived

703
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.599
that if there's no doubt about it, they all think and believe that there's

704
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.480
life out there in some somewhere in
the Milky Way galaxy or perhaps other galaxies.

705
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:06.119
But them getting their UFOs and coming
down here, I just they don't

706
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.199
just buy it. I think that's
the problem. So it's not that set

707
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.880
he doesn't believe in aliens. It's
that they don't believe that the aliens themselves

708
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:17.760
have traveled to here and you know, abducting people for the last you know,

709
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:24.280
millennia. And that's what's funny,
is that that commonality that belief in

710
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:30.880
extraterrestrial intelligence is a big deal.
I mean you're talking about mainstream scientists.

711
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:37.440
So for instance, your project is
really exciting to many scientists you have found

712
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:43.960
and so is a wow signal.
I mean they're really interested in the possibility

713
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.920
of extraterrestrial intelligence. Well, it
comes down to the math. You know,

714
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:52.320
if you look at the observable universe, you know, there's what ten

715
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.280
septilian potential stars out there, and
if you only take one percent of that,

716
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.880
there are potentially one hundred billion planets
out there, you know, in

717
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:07.719
just our Milky Way alone. So
it's an exciting time. It's only been

718
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.159
what in nineteen ninety seven we found
our first extra solar planet, and now

719
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.480
you know, almost twenty years later, we're in the thousands and the thousands

720
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:21.159
of finding these planets and some of
them are probably earthlike hopefully, And so

721
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.039
as technology grows, we're learning more
about the universe and the math. You

722
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:30.159
know, if all the things involved
that were required for us to be here

723
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:36.000
right the Sun, the Earth,
evolution time is important, and we do

724
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.760
a comparatitive search of other objects that
look like ours, a similar sun,

725
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:46.719
similar planet, similar atmospheres and gravity. Then the numbers are astronomical, you

726
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:52.480
know. So my personal belief is
that there should be life out there,

727
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:59.000
and the only problem is is distance. You know, it's just so far

728
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.119
away. It takes ten years just
to get to Pluto, right, so

729
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:08.280
imagine another star system. But you
feel, I mean, with you're interested

730
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:13.280
in the UFO field, I mean, I'm assuming that you feel it is

731
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:20.119
possible that there is a civilization out
there that's conquered that that problem. Yeah,

732
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.960
there has to be in my opinion, and that's my personal opinion that

733
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:31.039
there has to be life in the
universe in all stages of advancements or in

734
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:35.239
their evolution. So there has to
be life in the universe that are still

735
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.519
microbial. There has to be life
in the universe that are just getting out

736
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:44.039
of their case. For for intensive
purposes speaking, there has to be life

737
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:46.880
in the universe. There are millions
of years advanced from us, and that

738
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:52.559
their technology, if they have technology, has to be far in advanced in

739
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.440
US. And so there has to
be life out there in all stages of

740
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:02.320
what we call intelligent life. And
who knows, perhaps some have conquered the

741
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.440
long distances of travel, you know, and it's it's we I just have

742
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.719
not seen it here. You know, there are conspiracies over they're here,

743
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.559
they're hiding, we're not ready.
That could be a fact. I'm not

744
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.440
saying that's not true, but you
know, uh, just like you,

745
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.159
I just want to know if they're
here, why don't think they make themselves

746
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:28.239
known? And more importantly, I
want to know how did they get here?

747
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:32.280
What was the technology involved to to
to make it through those long journeys?

748
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:37.920
Perhaps they were generational? Do our
laws apply universally? I know the

749
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:42.320
speed limit for us is the speed
of light? But does that apply to

750
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.239
other lives out there where they able
to conquer that? So I'm really you

751
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.400
know, that's the That's the excitement
that I like, is that you and

752
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.800
I, you know, we're constrained
to our beliefs, our maths, our

753
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.360
science, our theories. That doesn't
mean that something else out there has conquered

754
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.400
those theories. Mm hmm. And
it could be. Do you think it

755
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.679
could be that they are They have
been able to get here. It's just

756
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.920
that we only can't they only allow
glimpses. Yeah, there's that's a possibility.

757
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.159
You know, there's there's people that
say they could be interdimensional theory.

758
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:22.119
They're using time travel, they're using
portals like up in Utah. You know,

759
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:27.000
I've heard those stories before, multi
universes, they can just come and

760
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.920
go and things like that. That's
a possibility. You know, those are

761
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.760
things that I would love to entertain. The difficulty is trying to investigate and

762
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.559
collect data is the important thing for
me, the data. I need data

763
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:46.920
to to actually crunch and investigate and
more importantly, try to replicate. That's

764
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:52.840
what the science, you know,
the whole science cycle is is you experiment,

765
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.679
and that's unfortunately we just can't get
that in the UFO community. You

766
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.599
know, we get that, we
get the interviews. We you might collect

767
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:07.800
some evidence like photographic or video,
maybe some trace evidence sometimes allegedly there's some

768
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:13.719
radiation left behind, But sitting down
and interviewing the alien or or looking at

769
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.800
their actual spacecraft or motor transportation is
the part we're lacking. Some people say,

770
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.519
oh, the government's got it.
It's hiding somewhere in area fifty one.

771
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.360
That could be true. I'm not
saying it's not true, but I

772
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.400
have not seen it. Yeah,
we don't have the data exactly. I

773
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:35.880
mean, so people get frustrated because
I've said several times in interviews, and

774
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.079
I think it's important to the mainstream. You say it very quickly that we

775
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:45.239
don't have proof of something like alien
abduction. We don't have that data.

776
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:50.159
But you know, a lot of
people claim to be communicating with alien so

777
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.960
I mean it's a possibility, but
we don't have that data. Yeah,

778
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:57.639
we have. We have a lot
of information. We have a lot of

779
01:01:57.719 --> 01:01:59.800
and a lot of it's good,
a lot of it's crap, you know,

780
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:01.480
you know, know, there's a
lot of garbage on the Internet.

781
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:07.039
But there's a lot of good data
out there. But you need more than

782
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.360
data. Uh, you can come
up all different hypotheses like I did with

783
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.639
my wild signal. Right, that's
just a hypothesis. That's good data.

784
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.760
But I need to go to step
two now, and that's actually look at

785
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.679
the comments, track the comets,
uh, see if they're they're eminating in

786
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:30.000
the signals that there's my date,
there's my evidence for lack of purposes,

787
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:31.920
and then deduce whether or not these
guys were it. I don't have that

788
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.239
in your full community. I don't
have nothing to physically touch, analyze and

789
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.760
determine whether this specific thing is that
you trust you I'm hoping, who knows,

790
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.400
maybe it's out there, maybe someone's
found it. I the only thing

791
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:50.480
I can say is I have not
personally seen it. My team has not

792
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:52.960
seen it, and as far as
I know, Mofon has not seen it.

793
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:57.760
Mofon's got a lot of great cases
and evidence and uh and an adultal

794
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:01.440
evidence, but uh. And I
I always like to leave it as when

795
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:06.559
I visit the Smithsonian and there's an
actual alien craft there, then we can

796
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:10.880
close the shop. Yeah. So
given that, when your colleagues, and

797
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:15.519
I'm sure it happened, ask you, why do you, you know,

798
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:21.719
take this UFO thing so seriously?
What do you tell them? It's it's

799
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:25.360
it's my passion that everyone has a
passion. People like to scoobl die,

800
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:30.480
if people like to jump out of
planes. And I think that given my

801
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:36.039
background in science and investigations, that
I can contribute to to this. It's

802
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:40.480
really a truly amazing phenomena. Right, It's it's it's a cult. Now,

803
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:45.039
there's a big following, there's it's
almost like a religion. But the

804
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.199
most important thing is when you have, for example, a retired FBI agent

805
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.880
sit down with me and tell me, Antonio, I'm married. I love

806
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:59.159
my job. I I and this
is what I saw. I was not

807
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:01.800
drunk, I was not tired driving
throughout the night. This is what I

808
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:06.920
saw. Can you please help me
try to explain what it is? And

809
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:14.360
when we're talking about like a a
football sized black triangle that's making zero noise,

810
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.639
it's hovering, and his phone shuts
off, his car shuts off,

811
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:23.679
you know you want to say what? Okay, you want you want to

812
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:28.119
dig deeper and figure out what's going
on here? M hm well cool,

813
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:30.079
Well, thank you. I think
we're about out of time, but this

814
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:35.199
is so interesting. We'll definitely put
the link to the GoFundMe in the page.

815
01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:39.719
And do you have another page where
you have like your UFO research.

816
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:47.159
Yeah, the UFO research is aerial
dash phenomenon dot org Aerial phenomenon dot org.

817
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:53.000
And I guess another thing, just
to mention something else that you work

818
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:57.599
on is education. Yeah, that's
a big thing for me. In fact,

819
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.960
next week, at least once a
week, I go to high schools,

820
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:06.000
elementary schools, Catholic schools, you
name it, and there's in Florida.

821
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:14.719
The Department of Education in Florida did
a survey statewide to see what interest

822
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.440
the kids had in school and space
was their number one thing, astronomy and

823
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:24.880
space. And we've been doing so
much outreach, talking about Mars, talking

824
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:30.360
about Jupiter, the Moon, Io
and Europa, all the cool technologies in

825
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.639
space, and recently now the while
signal. So I did my first talk

826
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:40.079
last week at a conference and so, yeah, I loved nothing. Nothing

827
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:45.679
makes my day, Alejandro. Then
watching a eight year old kid looking through

828
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.079
a telescope and seeing Saturn for the
first time and saying, this is what

829
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.519
I want to do when I grow
up, and I'm like, holy cow.

830
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:54.000
So I give them a book I
signed for them, and those kids

831
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:58.320
are really excited. And this ouch
reach is all part of the Center for

832
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:03.599
Planetary Science, It's Center for Planning
to your Science and the Museum of Science

833
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:08.320
and Industry. So it's both hats
that I'm tackling. Froutwich. Okay,

834
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:13.280
well, awesome, it's such exciting
stuff. We'll have to stay in touch.

835
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:16.360
It's really exciting to see. I
mean, how much has happened for

836
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:20.440
you in last year. And I've
just been really delighted. And I don't

837
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:25.880
know if you've noticed, I've been
tweeting and facebooking all the stories about your

838
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.480
Wow Signal projects that have been coming
across, so we appreciate it. Thank

839
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:32.679
you so much for being on the
show again. Hopefully next time we talk

840
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:38.679
we have an answer. Yeah,
exactly. Thank you so much to Antonio

841
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:43.719
or Professor Paris, I should say, for being on the show. What

842
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.639
a cool name. Professor Paris sounds
like a character on Doctor Who. I've

843
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:54.599
been just binge watching Doctor Who lately, which has been wonderful. Thank you

844
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:58.599
to Amazon. Anyway, it was
great to have him on the show to

845
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:02.559
talk about it, his interest in
UFOs and his project. It's so great

846
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:08.480
that his project is getting so much
media attention. So if right now you

847
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:13.519
go google the Wow Signal, you'll
probably find the stories about him and his

848
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:18.559
project, especially if you click the
news tab there, you'll see everything that

849
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:23.480
he's up to right now. And
so that's really cool, and it's cool

850
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:30.000
that he has a genuine interest in
UFOs and is curious about what's going on.

851
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.920
So people like this I think are
great advocates, especially people with backgrounds

852
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:41.320
like his, for this field and
helping us find new answers to this old

853
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:45.440
phenomenon. So it's very exciting.
Thank you so much. Go and check

854
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.119
out his Kickstarter and keep tabs on
him, and maybe if you live in

855
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:55.519
the area, if you're in Florida, you can go check out his SkyWatch

856
01:07:55.599 --> 01:08:00.599
in January and be part of what
may be history in the I mean,

857
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.360
if they find out it's a comment, that'll be big news and that'll be

858
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.639
a part of the Wow signal,
you know, mythology or the story out

859
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:15.840
there, and the Wow signal is
definitely something that interests media and just people

860
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.640
out there all over the place because
of what it could represent. But as

861
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.119
we talked about, either way,
I think the news is going to be

862
01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:29.000
very interested in their findings, so
it'd be fun to be a part of

863
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:32.119
that. In fact, I'm gonna
be visiting Florida for the first time in

864
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:39.279
August. That's right. I have
actually never been to Florida before, and

865
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.920
it sounds like a wonderful place,
so I'm excited to be going there.

866
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:46.760
I'll be going there for the move
On Symposium, and I'm gonna be speaking

867
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:56.439
about official government UFO agencies. So
these are agencies that governments sponsor throughout the

868
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:01.199
world. But the reasons why these
were organizations have started are typically because of

869
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:06.920
some incredible sightings. So it some
really interesting history out there that I don't

870
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:12.439
think many people know about. I
mean some just amazing sightings. Sightings that

871
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:18.840
are so amazing they caused their government
to begin investigating the UFO phenomena. How

872
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:23.680
cool is that? So that'll be
my first trip to Florida because a move

873
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.920
On symposium will be in Florida in
late August. So you can check out

874
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.159
moufon symposium dot com for that,
or go to open mind stat TV and

875
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:34.640
you'll be able to look on the
events page and see more about that.

876
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:40.079
Also at open mindstat TV, you're
going to find all the news that Martin

877
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:45.079
and I spoke of earlier in the
show. You'll also find more information about

878
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:50.399
that guy that goofball shaving his head. He'll be a real goofball. His

879
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:57.319
head will be like a que ball
and he's shaving his head though for an

880
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:02.600
excellent reason to help children with leukemia. And at podcastfo dot com you can

881
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:06.920
find out more about that and go
pledge some money. I did that myself,

882
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:12.680
but yeah, go donate to this
wonderful cause. Lots of stuff to

883
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:17.680
donate too during the tax season here
at another plug, I mean, if

884
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.880
you go to my Facebook, you'll
find that I'm getting trying to help race

885
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:28.520
money for the robotics club at Red
Mountain High School here in Mesa, Arizona,

886
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:33.199
because Rihanna, one of my best
friends and also my girlfriend's daughter,

887
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:41.560
is part of the robotics club and
so they very awesomely were able to win

888
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.159
their regionals this last weekend and they're
going to go to the world competition.

889
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.560
But they need some money to pay
for travel and everything. But they always

890
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:53.439
need some money because these robots are
expensive to build but really cool stuff.

891
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:58.199
You can find out more about that
at my Facebook. He So, yeah,

892
01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:00.479
get out the check book and start
right and some checks, or actually

893
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:05.119
these days you just click some buttons
online and send your money to and FRO.

894
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:09.760
I should know because I'm doing this
all the time, as many of

895
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:14.880
us probably are. But you do
not have to spend money to listen to

896
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:19.680
this radio show. How wonderful is
that? And I am so happy that

897
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:26.479
you all do come and listen to
the show. I'm also very grateful to

898
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:32.039
Caleb Hanks who does the opening and
close music, and to everyone else involved.

899
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:36.079
So thank you. That means you
the listener. Yeah, you sitting

900
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:44.600
there, or you driving on the
road or you typing and doing something exciting

901
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:48.720
at work, or most likely not
exciting at work. I apologize for that,

902
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:56.920
but thank you all very much for
listening, and we will be back

903
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:01.479
next week with another spade tack.
You guess, so we'll see you next

904
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.399
week. Are you smooth, Chutt
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