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disagree, but this is officially Big
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Championship game, of course, coming
up Saturday night in Indianapolis. Michigan a

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perfect twelve and zero football team for
a second consecutive regular season after defeating Ohio

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State thirty to twenty four. Tons
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on both our Ohio State and Michigan
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sorts of media contributors many you will
recognize, so check us out there.

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And Iowa reaches the Big Ten Championship
game after a victory over Nebraska thirteen to

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ten. The Hawkeyes didn't even need
to win that game, but they go

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to Indianapolis through the front door and
again the Hawkeyes at seven and two in

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the Big Ten. I refer to
Michigan cornerback Mike sanders Still's comments about the

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Ohio State Michigan game truly being the
Big Ten championship game. But for the

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last time with an East and West
division, we will have a Big Ten

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title game Iowa and Michigan. The
Wolverines currently a twenty two point favorite the

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over under point total at thirty five
and a half. We welcomed in Steve

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Das of Michigan Podcast to break it
down with me, followed by a conversation

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on our weekly Iowa show, Hawkeye
five thirty Eastern time every Tuesday on our

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Iowa Channel, where we break it
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the Storm and Elliott Cluff of Rivals. Anyone who's not wearing maize and blue

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is going to be rooting for Iowa. I'm okay, I mean I wouldn't

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have it any other way. I
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I went to eleven different schools K
through twelve. My first favorite team were

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the old Oakland Raiders, and I
mean I was seven years old, and

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I'm watching Jim Plunkett in a single
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a super Bowl, very first NFL
game I ever remember watching. And he's

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fat, he's got atne and I'm
thinking I could grow up and be like

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him one day. That looked like
somebody I could become. Okay, and

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and and I mean I've just I've
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a lot. In my day job, I'm the outsider a lot. I'm

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much more comfortable here than I am
being accepted and praise. That's what makes

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me uncomfortable. So I know in
this era we live in where validation is

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the is the number one source of
self actualization. But I like Michigan versus

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everybody. I love it. In
fact, now, somebody like me would

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have been in your life at the
time and just said, you know,

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Steve, you know, realize this
guy won a Heisman Trophy and was the

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number one pick. He's not exactly
the ultimate underdog here, right, But

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I was seven. I didn't know
what a Heisman Trophy was. I hear

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you, Yes, I always thought
when I think of Jim Plunkett, I

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always thought it was kind of odd
his throwing motion it looked like he was

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throwing his spear. Yep. I
mean, I've got a collection of throwbacks

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in one of them is Jimmy Plunkett's
Super Bowl fifteen throwback you Jersey, So

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yes, yeah, that is phenomenal
when it comes to this situation. Before

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we get to the game, the
playoff implications across the country are maybe better

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and more complicated than they've been maybe
for the entire playoff era, because we've

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got legitimately seven or eight teams that
have some semblance of a shot. So

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we'll go outside of the Big Ten
because Michigan's in, or we can certainly

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delve into what happens if they lose. Who do you think are the four

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best teams in the country, because
that's what the committee is supposed to be

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selecting, Like anybody really knows that
that's what they're supposed to determine. I

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think it's really hard this year,
man. You know, there's just feels

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like it feels like something is wrong
that the most consequential non conference game of

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the year Texas at Alabama, and
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If Alan, let me put it
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played Citadel that weekend instead, Where
would they be ranked right now? Mark,

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if they were twelve and oh they
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they be ranked two? Yeah,
So we're essentially penalizing Alabama for playing that

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game. This is why I said
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got rid of everybody with a pulse
on our non conference schedule, I said,

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I'm not I don't a problem with
it at all. You get no

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credit for this. No one's telling
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played the toughest schedule in college football
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base wanted Jim Harbaugh fire. No
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if you want to add a strength
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us what the new measuring stick will
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I think a lot of teams are
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a part of it, because you're
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schools really up the any in terms
of their non conference you know, competition

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over the next few years. But
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so until they officially say that's going
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have no idea why you would play
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nothing for it whatsoever. Alabama's learning
that right now, and I hate to

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make it look like out poor boy
Alabama. They don't need it. They

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once made the playoff with a single
top twenty five win, and then they

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went and won the damn thing.
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Texas, you're like, Okay,
I go twelve and one and when a

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major conference, My only loss was
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ten and two and ranked in the
top twelve. And I go down to

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Alabama and win by double digits,
and Oregon, with a strength of schedule

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of sixty something gets in over me. I don't understand that it's a tough

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year. It is. I cannot
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I Oregon's strength of schedules worse than
any of these other teams. But in

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terms of the eye test, I
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Ohio State are the only three teams
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efficiency. When you look at Florida
State, there's no way a thirteen to

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zero Power five conference champion is not
getting in, but I don't. I

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mean, they weren't a top four
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Vegas Power Ratings before Jordan Travis Hurt, they were like eighth or ninth,

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you know, So are they one
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but they're thirteen to zero and a
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setting a terrible precedent. So they're
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think the I think if you're the
committee right now, you are hoping the

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four twelve and oh teams win and
it's an early it's an early night,

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see you tomorrow morning on ESPN roll
this puppy out. It's pretty clean cut.

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We're all good to go and see
you next year with the twelve team

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playoff. But any of those teams
lose, and we're gonna have one of

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the mother of all evaluation periods.
We're not even we don't even have a

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tiebreaker, Like, well, it's
Ohio State and people want to watch them

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over Baylor and TCU. We're talking
teams with massive fan bases, massive cache,

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ultimate blue bloods in many cases.
I don't envy this committee really at

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all, and I think they're going
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this weekend with these games, at
the core of this debate seems to be

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Oregon, Texas, and Bama,
And for some reason, Bama and Texas

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are the comparison point. That's for
obvious reasons they played, but that Oregon

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seems to be and we assume the
championship game win that if they win the

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PAC twelve, they're in, and
there has to be some decision made over

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Texas and Bama. I don't understand
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if you need to take whether whatether
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then that's what you do. But
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I agree, But let me give
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Alabama beach Georgia. They're both twelve
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and OH Michigan wins thirteen, and
Oh Florida State wins thirteen, and OH

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Texas wins seven and one beat Alabama
who beat Georgia. Who's getting in?

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I think I think we recognize Washington
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as conference champions, right, Okay, who's getting those other two spots?

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Florida State has to be selected.
They just have to be selected, Okay.

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And I know that there's a component
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backup quarterback once and they flailed against
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Let me let me clarify. Florida
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you know what I'm saying. Even
go out in Cardale Jones Wisconsin.

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Okay, it's like seventeen fourteen,
twenty seventeen, Okay, and they win.

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What happens. You can't deny an
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that means. That means we're now
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one, and Texas beat Alabama at
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one of those teams getting in,
only one of them and very possible scenario.

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Brother, Oh, it's it's It
is very plausible. And I think

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that most people are most comfortable with
Texas just because of the head to head

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win. Yeah, shouldn't the season
matter? Yeah, So we're not gonna

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have any SEC teams. We have
two twelve to one SEC teams, including

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the two time defending national champ and
not gonna have. I mean, oh

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my, I the best thing for
that committee is just those four undefeated teams

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win. I believe the four best
teams are Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama,

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and Georgia in some order. That's
who I think are the four best

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teams in the country. But I'm
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back to the original point about scheduling. That's the crux of this whole issue,

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that's at least at the core,
is that there needs to be parameters

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given to a committee to comprise the
non conference schedule for every team in the

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country and take it out. I
just think there needs to be some form

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of an RPI like what college basketball
has had for a long time, which

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is a measure of your opponents and
your opponent's opponents and and and you know

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going in what that formula is,
and you need to schedule. And now

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we have the quad system, so
it's even more specific specified. You want

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to make sure you do not schedule
a lot of games outside of that,

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outside of the top one hundred,
because if you lose one of those games,

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you basically have to win two Quad
one games to make up for what

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that Quad two loss will do.
And so You're welcome to schedule however you

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want, but no going in.
How this thing is determined by this selection

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committee. We have nothing like that. This has never been a playoff.

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I've told you that from the beginning
mark. It's an invitational. All right,

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there's no objective criteria for making this. Now, next year we're going

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to get a playoff. There is
an objective criteria. You win your conference

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and you're one of the well they're
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five when they get done with it. You're one of the five highest ranked

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conference champions, you automatically get in. So I would argue the college football

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playoffs first year is actually next year. What we've had here for the last

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decade is an invitational. There was
no objective standard for getting in. I

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would have said the one objective standard
was be coached by Nick Saban and have

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one loss or less and you'll get
in. But now we're sitting here saying

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we're not even sure that'll hold this
year. Okay, so there's no objective

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standard for getting in whatsoever. That's
an invitational, that's not a playoff.

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Well, I'll put it this way, Steve, I think they're objective criteria

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and standards. They're just used in
different scenarios to different measures. They're used

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at whatever point that they want to
use them. They've got a list of

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them and they just grab whichever ones
apply to what they want. We've seen

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that for sure, and they reverse
engineer things. They set things up in

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advance. The problem is this year
there are so many talented, big name,

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blue blood programs with one loss or
less. It was impossible to do

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that, absolutely impossible. So what
they really need now they just need to

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organically let the process play it self
out, and they need those four undefeated

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teams to win. And if that
does not happen, and chances are it

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won't, that's just not the way
that you know, life works in college

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football. But if unless those foreign
defeated teams win, we're gonna have,

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you know, at least as big
of an argument as we had. I

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mean, everybody remembers Alabama got in
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five team. No one remembers the
teams that they got in over though,

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because it wasn't like that big of
a debate. That's why they got in.

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The one major debate we've had this
entire time even the year Ohio State

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got in in twenty eighteen with one
loss or did not get in won the

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Big Ten with one loss, no
one really complained about what the rest of

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that field looked like. Well,
you might have because you're yeah, I

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got you the Ara Buckeye too.
But the one year that everybody agrees there

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was a real argument was the very
first year with Ohio State, TCU,

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and Baylor. Okay, at the
very least, if one of those undefeated

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teams loses, we are looking at
an argument at least as big as that

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one, and maybe more so because
TCU and Baylor don't have the clout that

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names like Florida State, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas have, even Oregon

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for that matter. They're a major
TV draw as well. I don't understand

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why twenty eighteen was not a debate. Oklahoma twelve and one conference champion,

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Ohio State twelve and one conference champion. Ohio State had better wins. Yes,

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they had the egregious loss, but
there should have been more of a

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debate there. Agreed that was kind
of like to make good though for putting

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in in twenty fourteen, I think
that's I honestly think that's what happened.

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Our guy bigs MIC's stepping up with
a five spot appreciate that not everyone is

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rooting for Iowa. Ohio State needs
Michigan to win. They split. They

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will not put Ohio State in over
Michigan. I want to hear you say

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it, Mark so I have.
I think Ohio State needs Michigan to win.

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They do, and needs needs Michigan
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and Florida State to both lose.
That's what I believe. What if Michigan

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I was twelve and one or two, I don't believe there'll be a Big

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ten team in the playoff of Michigan
lost. Yeah, I don't think so

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either. I think here, here's
why everyone needs to be rooting for Michigan

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Saturday, and I mean everyone.
You want to see Tony Petiti on that

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stage handing a championship trophy to Jim
Harbaugh in one of the most cringe photo

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ops in the entire history of college
football. That's why you want to see.

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And if you know Jim at all, Jimmy will be like completely oblivious

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to it, like not even care. He'll like shake his hand, grab

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the trophy, and then bring give
it to Sharon Moore. And that that's

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the beauty of it is Jim won't
give a rip at all, won't care

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at all, Okay, and so
that'll appear to be like it was an

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alpha mood. No, Jim just
doesn't give a bleep, doesn't care,

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doesn't care. Jim is impervious to
cringe. He does not care. All

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right, he's at home there.
Actually, he'll just grab the trophy,

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shake his hand. Thanks, commits, here's Saron Moore. We're great.

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Yeah, it's Tony Pettit. Who's
gonna be sitting there all right with his

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toes curled the other way around.
Yes, he's he's had to prepare for

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this now for about four or five
days, yep, leading into this,

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and he did his dan dis to
make sure he wouldn't have to do it,

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but it didn't work out for him. Nevertheless. Yes, So if

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Iowa wins, okay, so you
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playoff whatsoever. This is this is
this is the biggest point spread in the

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history of Power five conference championship games. Well, I know they're not gonna

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win the game, but they're still
playing football on Saturday night, Iowa wins,

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they beat Michigan, Florida State loses, Texas loses. We can't find

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a way, find a path for
them. No, I think if we

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get down to that, get down
to that, you have the Georgia Alabama

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winner, the Washington Oregon winner.
Okay, I don't see Iowa leapfrogging all

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those teams with two losses. I
think at that point maybe your boys get

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in at that point with that kind
of carnage, but they can't trump the

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Michigan record with a loss. Michigan
would then say we have the same record,

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but we beat them. Yeah.
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about it, I think that it's
a very slit thin, very narrow road

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for Ohio State to make it.
What is your thoughts about the Iowa football

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program both on Saturday Night in trying
to find in trying to find a way

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a path to victory. We'll start
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first about Iowa's path to a victory. The problem that Iowa has and I

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said this when we played them two
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hard to pull up sets. And
we ran into this the very next game

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when we played Georgia in the in
the Orange Bowl. It's hard when there's

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a talent gap and you played the
same style, it's very hard to offset

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that. Okay, and Iowa,
I don't I like Kirk ference you know,

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I've known him for many, many
years. Okay, I don't believe

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a single guy starting for Iowa would
start for our team, Like, none

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of them. And all the guys
that would have competed for starting spots,

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Eric all if we still had him, we wouldn't have taken Barner. He'd

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be starting for US, Cooper,
Dejean goodness, could you imagine a Will

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Johnson Cooper Dejean Corner combo? I
can, Okay, and then I can

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imagine we're like a Bear's forty six
defense every week because no one's you know,

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we're covering everybody banda man, all
right, he would start for us.

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Most of the guys they have that
would compete for time on our team

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as a starter are not going to
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And so there's a massive talent gap
here, and it's and the difference is,

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you know, like when we lost
to Appalachian State, the zone read

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offense was still relatively new in college
football didn't really see a lot of it

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in the Big Ten. I don't
remember Michigan playing a team running that offense

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and ever until we played Appalachian State, actually, and and that's a team

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with that had a very prolific offense. Remember several guys in that team played

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in the NFL. And so that's
where you run into. Usually when you

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get these kinds of upsets, one
of two things happens. The team that

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was upset had had an injury at
quarterback, or it was early in the

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year and the new starting quarterback was
sloppy. Or it was the first game

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of the year and we don't we
don't have preseason games, and special teams

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were really bad. Okay, well
that doesn't apply here. The other scenario

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where it happens is the other team
has it has a terrific offense and it's

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like college basketball. You caught them
on a night when they make fifteen threes

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and there was nothing you could do, you know, And I was not

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that kind of a team. This
isn't Hayden Fry running out there with you

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know, Tavian Banks, you know, Ronnie Harmon, Chuck Long and exotics,

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you know, and you've got to
score thirty points to beat them,

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which in nineteen eighty five was a
lot of points for a big and football

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game. Okay, that's not what
this team is. You know, Iowa

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wants to play in a phone booth, so to wait. Iowa wants to

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win the line of scrimmage, so
to wait, Iowa wants to play an

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efficient, physical game of complimentary football. So to way. I mean our

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our hell, our formations are going
to look similar, you know, and

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so I think it's just a really
difficult path for them. I do worry

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about a bit of a letdown factor, which seems odd in a championship game,

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but I think that's offset by Jimmy's
return. I think that that will

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be a big emotional boost having him
back. And I just think there's a

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reason, and these are all the
reasons why this is the biggest spread in

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the history of conference championship games.
Yeah, two years ago, I was

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concerned about that on Michigan's behalf,
having slayed the Giant that was such a

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massive win and then turning around seven
days later, but it was not an

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issue. And your punter, Tommy
Doman, with the focus of the team

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being offense defense in the great quarterback
play and everything that you've got. I

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have lost sight of how good he
was until the last couple of weeks.

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And pinning those where Tory Taylor gets
all these accolades and everything, because that

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is a main intrucral part of their
team. Well, Domans, Hey,

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nothing against Tory Taylor is the best
punter I've ever seen in a Big Ten.

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But Tommy Doman won the Maryland game, dude, Yeah, I mean

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him pinning them down inside the five
yard line a couple of times there in

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the second half won that game.
Yeah. Absolutely, So for Iowa football,

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Steve going forward, is there a
way for them to stay competitive?

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You know, they have just been
so good at saying this is our competition

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in the Western Division. We'll worry
about the postseason at the end, but

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this is what we do and we'll
do it better than anyone else. But

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in this new Big Ten, what
is their best route of staying competitive?

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Is it this? I think that
the second to middle tier of Big Ten

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programs I think are in for a
difficult stretch now moving into where the league

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is about to go no divisions and
you're adding UCLA, Oregon, Washington,

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and USC to even get to the
Big Ten Championship Game. You need out

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of these teams Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, UCLA,

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Oregon, and Washington. You need
six of those seven teams I just mentioned

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to not have top ten teams in
the same year. That's just to be

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one of the two teams in the
Big Ten Championship Game, one of them.

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I went back and looked, going
back to the beginning of the college

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football playoff era. I could only
find two seasons where that occurred. But

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keep in mind that's not actually relevant
here because they were playing different schedules.

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Then now they're gonna all be playing
each other. Okay, so if you're

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gonna if you're Iowa, you're Michigan
State. These are teams that have had

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a lot of success in this era, you know, Wisconsin. You now

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just to get to the Big Ten
Championship Game, you need six of those

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seven teams to essentially not be top
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don't know that we'll ever see that. And then that that that then assumes

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you're then gonna be better than the
other teams in your tier, but you're

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now also gonna be better than Michigan
State, Wisconsin, Iowa at all.

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Okay, I'm not I'm not sure
how many times we're gonna see any of

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those teams in Big Ten championship games. I am sure it will happen.

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Okay, I'm sure it will,
but it's it's it's gonna be rare.

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We're not gonna see what we saw
when Hayden got to Iowa. He kind

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of broke the Michigan, Ohio state
of geminy and we had five different Big

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Ten teams go to the Rose Bowl
in the eighties. I don't think we're

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gonna if you see five Big Ten
teams go to the Rose Bowl or represent

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the Big or win the Big Ten
is really what that symbolizes, then we're

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really just saying that five of the
seven teams I just mentioned kind of rotate

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it, all right. I just
think it's gonna be really, really difficult

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for those teams and then they're now
on one hand, you know, and

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then they're not gonna have the benefit
of playing that West Division schedule every year.

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So you know, I suspect,
you know, a lot of these

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Bowl games don't mean much right now, and I mean I think they're gonna

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feel like the nit Yeah, I
don't know what's seven and five and eight

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and four in a college football season
will matter in the era moving forward.

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I don't you know. And I
think it'll be fascinating to see how those

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schools navigate that and what they do
to what they do to try to to

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break through. Despite that, we
did this here live when the schedule was

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released with the Big Ten in twenty
twenty four and beyond, and it's a

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good exercise to go through if you
want to see the star contrast, go

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through every team, take the current
formula, and therefore, let's say a

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twenty twenty three schedule and then replace
the difference. Where an Iowa will play

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six Western Division teams, currently they'll
play only three or four, and those

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are supplanted by maybe an extra Eastern
Division team or two or three. Usually

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two is pretty much the standard of
what everyone is going to face from the

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incoming teams from the Pac twelve.
And it's just a significant upgrade. Agree.

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I mean, I I don't know
that. I'm sure it will happen,

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but I don't. I don't know
that most years we're gonna even have

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an undefeated team in the Big Ten. Yeah, next year, at this

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time we're gonna be talking about which
nine and three teams get into the College

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Football Playoff, When when you look
at the depth that is going to exist

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in the Big Ten, in the
SEC, and then you look at the

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the parody that's going to exist in
the Big in the Big twelve, we're

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gonna be sitting here a year from
now talking about which nine three teams are

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going to be in the College Football
Playoff. I don't think people truly understand

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how much different things are going to
be at this time next year. Dramatically

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different, dramatically. David Brown did
an exceptional job at Northwestern. The best

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coaching job I've ever seen. Yeah, incredible, never been a head coach

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before. That was already the consensus
last place team in the league. It

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was one and eleven last year.
The players didn't want to come to Big

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Ten media days. They had four
guys going the transfer portal that were starters

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right away. He had to play
his backup quarterback most of the year.

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It's incredible what he did. There
no question about it. Best single season

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coaching job in the Big Ten I've
ever seen. Before we get to the

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Super chat, I want to lead
from that into was there anything else that

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surprised you from this current Big Ten
season. Not really. I mean I

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go back to my preseason power ratings
mark, and they pretty much played out.

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I had Michigan on a neutral field
of point and a half better than

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Ohio State, and I had Michigan
and Ohio State each about on a neutral

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field about a touchdown better than Penn
State. And then I had Michigan,

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Ohio State, and Penn State two
touchdowns favorites on a neutral field over every

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team, every other team they played. Well, that's pretty much the season

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we had. I predicted I would
have win the West. Now I thought

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it was going to be because Kate
mcnamaar gave them a legitimate, you know,

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competent offense. But not really.
I mean, the Big Ten standings

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look really similar to what my projected
Big Ten standings were back in July when

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I released my preview. Yeah,
I'm going to continue despite the four teams

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entering from the PAC twelve. I'm
going to continue to track the number of

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how many games we have to go
through before we're going to see an existing

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Big Ten team other than Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State defeat one

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of those three teams. We're at
about forty five straight something in that range.

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Yeah, the big story this offseason
mark there are two big three,

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big three potential big stories. Does
it? Does Ryan Day look at an

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NFL job? Does Jim Harbow look
at an NFL job? Those are the

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first two and the other that no
one's talking about is what are the league's

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tiebreaker procedures going to be those?
That's a massive story moving forward. What

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does that look like. I'll tell
you what I would do. Head to

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head is number one, although I
don't know how often that's going to come

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into play with eighteen teams. I
at that point, I would just let

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the college football playoff rankings determine it
and just take I don't want coin flips

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or you know, we scored many
none. I don't want seventy five tie

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breakers head to head, if you
beat, if you beat the other team

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or teams you're tied with, that
you otherwise, who are the top two

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ranks? Because all this is about
the college who will play off anyway?

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That's why we're not doing divisions right, get the two best teams up there.

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So at that point, then if
the tie, if the head to

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head doesn't apply then the top two
teams in the college football playoff rankings,

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among those that are in first place
in the league, they play for the

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championship every year. That's what I
would do. Make it very streamlined and

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simple. Bam, that's it.
Well, what it's currently established to be,

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as we've discussed, is completely ridiculous. Had Penn State found a way

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to beat Michigan, then we would
have been determining, yes, who played

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the three best teams in the West, and there was really no three best

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teams in the life. Minnesota Wisconsin
would have mattered every bit as much as

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a game for the Big Ten championship
as Michigan Ohio State did. What a

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stupid system that is? Yes,
I agree, yes, yes, your

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three teams win thirteen and fourteen.
My three teams went twelve and fifteen.

408
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That really really shows that's just a
stupid system. I agree. Yeah,

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we've got a super chat here,
Jess. We appreciate you. Kate mcnamaras

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said in an interview he is helping
Iowa prepare for Michigan. He knows the

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ins and outs at Michigan. Do
you think it'll have an effect on the

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game, Well, let's see.
I think I think Michigan's going to probably

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try to run over you. That's
the scouting report. And then when they

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think they've established that, they're gonna
throw a play action pass, either to

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Roman Wilson or to the tight ends. So I just said Kate mcnamarason time.

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Oh, and he can tell I
when Michigan's defense is really fast.

417
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:18,839
So there you go. That Michigan
football program. They are known for their

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complexities of ingenuity, right, They're
known for that. Okay, I mean

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if the Michigan offense is literally called
run across the mother effort's face, that's

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what the Michigan offense is freaking called. Okay, what the hell is he

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00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,240
talking about? He's gonna help?
There's nothing to help. I mean,

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it's pretty obvious what Michigan's gonna do. They're gonna run the ball and then

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then they're gonna try to throw it
over your head. Absolutely, Steve,

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00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,519
there's no doubt. However, if
you've got Cave mcnamure on your roster,

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are you not at least having a
discussion more about probably personnel? What does

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00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,839
he tend to do, what are
his weaknesses? He played for a different

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00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:57,079
offensive coordinator. Give me something on
will Johnson, Mike Sanders still. Can

428
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we gain any kind of advantage on
that those guys? Something Mike standards still

429
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is really good? Yeah, I
know he is. That's the scouting report.

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Yeah. I have not seen a
pair of cornerbacks play the ball consistently

431
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,319
as well as those two have this
year this season. Yeah, I agree.

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I mean, I think Samers still
is. Samer still is a guy

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that someone's gonna draft next April,
like sixty seventh in the draft, and

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00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,279
he's gonna play ten fifteen fricking years
and make like a half a dozen Pro

435
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,480
Bowls. He's that, he's that
kind of player. He will he'll be

436
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,759
five eight and a half, not
five to eleven. He'll run a four

437
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,440
five five, not a fourth four
to one. And so he's gonna get

438
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,559
picked sixty fifth instead of twenty fifth, and he's gonna he's gonna last because

439
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,559
of everything else he brings to the
table. He's gonna he's gonna be he's

440
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,039
gonna get a third contract in the
NFL. If you say sealthie Steve before

441
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,480
you go, I'm gonna put you
in an uncomfortable position. I love that

442
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:59,440
you're in charge at Ohio State.
What are you doing. Define I'm in

443
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:05,279
charge? What what? How athletic
director? I'm the athletic director, okay,

444
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,519
I I I want to find out. First thing I do if I

445
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:15,319
take over is there's gonna be seven
to ten job openings in the NFL,

446
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,359
including a franchise that has Ryan Day's
former quarterback, and he's got an NFL

447
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,759
background. Is I want to find
out. I don't want to get blindsided.

448
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,839
I'm gonna ask him point blank,
art do you want one of these

449
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,079
positions? I want to I want
to look him in the eye and know

450
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,519
the answer to that. Day one. That's that's the first conversation him and

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00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:37,359
I are going to have, and
then the the then the second conversation.

452
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,839
Then if it's clear that he wants
to stay, then I think my job

453
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,000
now is to help get him what
he needs to be the most successful that

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he can be. And that starts
with I want, you know, let's

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00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:58,160
go through, you know, let's
go through the last three years against Michigan,

456
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,319
a total audit of those games.
Would we do wrong, would we

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00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,319
do right? Would we do over
again? Which which do we wish that

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00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,680
we would not have done over again? And the reason why I think that's

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necessary is I just don't think this
game it's gonna get lumped into the other

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00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,359
two. It's not like the other
two. This game is pretty much what

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00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,319
Michigan Ohio State was most of our
lives, you know, most of most

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00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,880
of our lives. It wasn't Tim
Biakabatuca run in for three hundred yards or

463
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,839
Troy Smith winning a Heisman. Man, it was a couple of teams just

464
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,440
sitting there punching each other in the
frickin' balls, and then the last one

465
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,319
that stammers and makes a mistake,
the other team wins. Okay, that's

466
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
most of two evenly matched teams to
the best programs in the country. This

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00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,680
game was totally different than the other
two. Totally. Ohio State played extremely

468
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,079
well in the game, and in
the end, just Michigan got made one

469
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,519
more play, you know. And
so I that's the other thing too,

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about overreacting. If it was three
years in a row and Michigan runs for

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00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,799
over two hundred on us three years
in a row, clearly in the second

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00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,759
half they pull away, I'm much
more concerned. If I'm your ad.

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That's why my first question is do
you want to stay? What do you

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on a couple podcast this week,
and the thing that I just keep coming

484
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,039
back to is that I always just
has to be perfect. I mean,

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like with the sheer amount of injuries
they've had this season, throw in the

486
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,000
fact that their backup quarterback who has
started I think like six seven eight games

487
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,960
now didn't play competitive football for like
two or three years there, and he's

488
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,840
doing that finally this year, was
completing thirty six percent of his passes prior

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to a couple of weeks ago flipped
it. It's now at sixty three,

490
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:37,400
which is obviously positive. There's a
kind of a strange discrepancy between talent and

491
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,280
who's playing at the running back position
with Caleb Johnson, Leashawn Williams, Jazz

492
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,920
Patterson. I think Caleb Johnson's the
most talented running back in that room for

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00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,599
sure. Whether he's put it on
the field or not is one thing.

494
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And then you look at the injuries
to their All American tight ends, potentially

495
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:57,719
all American tight ends, and Luke
Lasche and Eric all those guys go down

496
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,039
for the season, and then you
lose your best player in Cooper gen a

497
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,960
couple of weeks ago. So you
can't bank on the fact that, I

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00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,360
mean, I don't necessarily know that
you could bank on it anyway, but

499
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,400
that a little bit of hope where
you have, Oh Cooper's on the field,

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00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,639
anything can happen, gone completely gone. On special teams and on defense.

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00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:20,360
I think you think more so about
scoring on special teams, and especially

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,199
with the way he's returned the ball
this year, just one one score should

503
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:30,480
be too punt return for a touchdown
could very well happen again in the championship

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00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,039
game. He would have been more
than likely defending Roman Wilson in the passing

505
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,920
game. But you gotta hope to
get JJ McCarthy off his spot. You

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00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,119
gotta hope to force him to make
turn or you know, make throws.

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00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,000
He's not a guy that throws the
ball away. You got to hope that

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00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,960
he throws the ball and is intercepted. Frequently the ball ends up on the

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00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,679
ground, Tory Taylor. You hope
and pray he can pin him deep depending

510
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,679
on the field positioning and such.
And you can't have Drew Stevens have two

511
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,320
block field goals again or a block
field goal. You've got to take all

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the points you could possibly get.
And with that said, the Iowa offense

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,320
has to finish drives. You can't
leave drives. You can't leave points on

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the board. And that's something they've
done all season against teams that are far

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00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,599
inferior to seem like Michigan. You
can't do it. The defense will do

516
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:22,159
their thing right like this is one
of the best defenses in the country,

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00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,039
top ten defense in the country.
Michigan is a top five defense in the

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00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:30,239
country. So you're hoping and praying
and the offense can do something, can

519
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,599
get the run game going at the
very least, and maybe that'll open things

520
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:36,840
up for Deacon Hill. They're gonna
get him on the move, you know,

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00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,199
more so in the Rutgers game than
anything past or or or I guess

522
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,119
previous or hither closer to this time. In the Rutgers game, that was

523
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,920
the first time this season where I
felt like I didn't know what IOWA was

524
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,800
offensive tendencies were going to be,
what they were going to be doing.

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00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,119
It's like, oh, it's a
play action. I thought they were running

526
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,679
the balls first down, you know, Like that's something that I know Corey

527
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,480
has talked about a good amount,
is their tendencies. And that was the

528
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,199
first time this season where I felt
like I didn't know what was happening on

529
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,079
the offensive, you know, in
the ensuing play. And that was the

530
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:14,039
first time I think we've really seen
complimentary football from the Hawkeyes this season,

531
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,559
and we've seen it a little bit
here and there. That halftime score against

532
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:22,280
Nebraska should have been twenty one zero, Like you can't you just can't leave

533
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,800
those type of opportunities on the field. I mean, I don't know if

534
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,639
you were able to watch the game, but Kayleb Brown had that would have

535
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,519
been touchdown. Ketch ye. And
he catches it with his body or tries

536
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:34,440
to catch it with his body.
Dog, you're supposed to be the most

537
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,760
talented guy on the field right now. What are we doing? I know

538
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,760
he used to do in the backyard, you know, right exactly. I

539
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,719
have how to catch a football.
I have a vivid memory of fifth grade

540
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,280
tackle football where I missed an interception
because I went like that, you know,

541
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,159
like, and I'm the skinny kid
who probably weighed like sixty pounds at

542
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,119
that point in time, and that
still haunts me, you know, like

543
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,679
that's something that Cayleb Brown has to
know at this point time, whether he's

544
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,800
been a running back before or not. Some of those things, all of

545
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,159
those points can't be left on the
board. It's just that simple. And

546
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:13,360
you gotta hope Michigan makes mistakes and
you gotta play perfect in just about every

547
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,039
facet. That's the only way this
game ends up in an upset. So

548
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,320
many funny things that you brought up
there, Elliott, With all of that,

549
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,760
we could have been watching these games
together, because yeah, that same

550
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,800
thing went through my mind on the
Kayleb Brown. I thought this guy he

551
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,400
was signed by Ohio State, he
was a top seventy five receiver and now

552
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,719
he's their best playmaker and that you
know, it's not like I'm okay,

553
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:43,760
he's he's worthless, He's he's garbage
like. But it was just kind of

554
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,920
strange. Okay, that was a
bit. And I actually tweeted out something

555
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,159
about Caleb Brown missing that football,
dropping that ball, and somebody shot back

556
00:39:53,199 --> 00:40:00,760
at me, and it almost had
a tinge of is this part and connected

557
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,599
to Caleb Brown in some way?
Because then he said he's he's got some

558
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,960
of the best hands in the country. And I didn't want to make this

559
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,119
this like trash fest of Caleb Brown
because I didn't intend it that way to

560
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,960
trash him in any way, but
I did say something like, and I

561
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,559
just double checked myself. I looked
up his stats. Eleven catches on the

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season. I'm thinking I've seen him
drop three passes myself, so that ratio

563
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,280
isn't the best the best hand in
the country. What's your what's your like,

564
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,880
what's your sample size? What are
you referring to when you say that,

565
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,199
Because like you said exactly and we've
seen him, he had opportunities early

566
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,880
on in the season and just drop
balls like what are we what are we

567
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,880
talking about here? And again,
I have no desire to to talk crap

568
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,679
about Caleb Brale either. He's the
best playmaker on that offense right now.

569
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,800
But that's a that's a silly point
to think you've made against somebody who's watching

570
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,800
the games. You know, Corey, before we get to you, thanks

571
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,360
for dropping by. I wanted to
hit Elliott with something else because he just

572
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,079
kind of ran down, you know. The progress of the Iowa offense steaken

573
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,360
Hill thirty six percent, sixty three
percent in the most recent games. But

574
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,159
I, like Hugh Elliott, watching
the Rudgers game, thought, Okay,

575
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:19,320
this is this is Let's not confuse
it with some prolific passing offense or anything.

576
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,719
But this is probably Iowa not at
its best, but something close to

577
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,480
its best, functioning at a very
high level. Four hundred yards of total

578
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,760
offense I think was the best in
two and a half years, since the

579
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,280
Maryland game a couple of years ago. But this is Iowa's offense functioning at

580
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,960
a high level, running the ball
against a good defense, not a great

581
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,000
defense, good defense, mid tier
big ten defense, and so this is

582
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,719
probably what it should look like.
It's what they want to look like,

583
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,840
right, whether they have or not
is one thing. When you've got a

584
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,079
lame dug offensive coordinator who doesn't want
to wear Iowha eye logos. We'll see

585
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:06,039
if that actually continues to happen or
not, or even happens in this game

586
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:10,239
on Saturday. But yeah, that
Rutgers game was pretty much exactly what the

587
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,119
Iowaha Gys want to be offensively.
Defensively, we've heard about complimentary football all

588
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:22,400
year. While they're saying that the
offense was putrid when they were really hammering

589
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,000
that home compliment, Well, we
want to be complimentary. Well you're not

590
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:30,039
being complimentary, you know, Like
that is truly the only time all season

591
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,039
that I've that I've seen it and
it really come into full effect. There's

592
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,360
been moments, there's been quarters,
but there wasn't a complete game like that

593
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,800
where they did ultimately win that twenty
two to zero. But Corey, how

594
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,840
long have they been selling complimentary football
And it's that's not the definition of complimentary

595
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,119
football. That is your defense is
propping up in your special teams propping up

596
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:58,039
the offense. Yeah, I think
you'd have to ask Kirk ference what the

597
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,719
definition of complimentary football is, because
he's been touting that for a long time.

598
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:07,159
But I will say it took me
a while. And again, I

599
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:12,480
mean, these last three years have
been fairly consistent, consistently bad offensively.

600
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,840
However it took me about I think
I was up, we were up in

601
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,320
Madison, and I'm watching this game
and how they approach that the short yardage

602
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,679
situations near midfield against the Badgers,
And it was at that moment where I

603
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,079
kind of started to realize what Kirk
is doing. And maybe it's just because

604
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:37,559
I'm really slow and really dumb,
but like it does work more often than

605
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:39,960
not. That's what's crazy about it. So I think his definition of complimentary

606
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:46,079
football is different than ours in that
we believe complimentary football means your offense scores,

607
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,159
your defense holds. Your offense scores, your defense holds, like that's

608
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,239
the simple gist of it, whereas
his definition of complimentary football, I think

609
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,960
would be more so. Our offense
gets a couple of first downs here and

610
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,840
there. Here, there, we
rely on our punter to pin the other

611
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,320
team back. We really utilize our
gunners to pin the other team back.

612
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,480
Then the offense gets into field goal
range tax on three points on a short

613
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,679
field. You know you're right,
though, Elliott, that's not I mean,

614
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,599
none of us want that as far
as this team being able to take

615
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:22,400
the next step, and in a
game like this, that approach is going

616
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,320
to be very hard to execute to
the level it needs to execute at.

617
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,760
I think it starts there. I
think they've got to control the field against

618
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:37,559
Michigan on Saturday. You cannot average
forty two yards per punt with a potential

619
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,559
Ray Guy Award winner and Troy Taylor. I think he'll punt the ball better

620
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:46,559
with a warmer climate there indoors.
I think Drew Stevens will Drew Stevens is

621
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,880
dealing with an injury. You know, you go back and watch some of

622
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,480
what happened on Saturday. I'm not
making excuses for Drew because you know,

623
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:01,079
I think it was obviously the right
move to move Meter into the lineup in

624
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:05,559
that second half, But there were
some things if you go back and watch

625
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:08,960
those two blocks last week, there
were some things about those kicks that Meter

626
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,239
didn't have to deal with, particularly
a loaded up right side of the line

627
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,320
of scrimmage on that angle. I
either. Do think it was a second

628
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,639
kick that he got blocked, and
again he has been dealing with a groin

629
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,559
injury for the last week. I
think he'll be fine. My guess is

630
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,480
warmer atmosphere again will help Drew Stevens
to play better. I said on my

631
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,079
show with Don Patterson here that released
half of it yesterday, and I think

632
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:37,599
the other half is going to be
released this evening. What if I what

633
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,320
pops off a kick return? Like
what if Kayden Wegen runs one back?

634
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,480
What if Kadenwgen runs a punt return
back? You know, that changes the

635
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:52,280
game completely. And as great as
Cooper Gene was, we haven't had any

636
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,280
kick returns for touchdowns. It's kind
of a lost art in the game of

637
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,440
college football nowadays. But what if
that happened somehow on Saturday? It's possible.

638
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,639
You know, Iowa plays with a
slim margin for air. But at

639
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:06,920
the same time, boy, with
as good as the defense is, if

640
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,840
you can get some sort of an
unconventional or non traditional touchdown, I think

641
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,519
it changes the game. So you
know, the only the only gripe I'd

642
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,880
have with what Elliott said is him
and I disagree on on the running back

643
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,400
position. I think their best back
right now is Lei shan And you know,

644
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,400
with that said, Corey, I
don't, I don't necessarily I think

645
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:35,360
on field product, Lee Shaan is
is definitely their best running back right now.

646
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,400
I was just talking about pure talent. I didn't think, Yeah,

647
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,960
do you agree with me there?
Yeah? I mean when he's a four

648
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:46,039
starter. What's your definition of talent? How would you evaluate talent with the

649
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:52,199
running back when we're talking about uh, I guess talent generally. What I'm

650
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,159
thinking of and what I'm referencing,
I suppose is is is potential? Also

651
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,559
Caleb Brown, when you're talking about
top speed, that's what we're talking about

652
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:04,320
right now, Like in terms of
the clear distinction between him and Lee Sean,

653
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,119
that's the first thing I think of, is that top speed too.

654
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:12,079
I think he'd be better at breaking
tackles if he ran more aggressively, which

655
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,800
I think it's things that that he's
capable of that he's just not doing.

656
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,559
In my opinion. Well, I
guess, yeah, I see, I

657
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:21,719
absolutely see where you're coming from.
My question would be, you know,

658
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
this is the end of year two, why why isn't he running with better

659
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,719
aggression? Why hasn't he shown the
ability to lower the shoulder pads. I

660
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,960
agree with you. He's got size
that you can't teach. He's got that

661
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,800
long stride, he's got the breakaway
speed. I don't think lee Sean's breakaway

662
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,880
speed is that all that bad.
We saw some breakaway speed on that long

663
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,559
run against Wisconsin and a couple other
long runs this year. But no,

664
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:45,719
You're right, the fastest running back
on this team is capable. I just

665
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,800
wish he would utilize his body better. He's you know, yeah, how

666
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,559
big he is and how impressive he
looks. He doesn't put his foot in

667
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:59,000
the ground. You know, we
haven't seen his ability to jump cut very

668
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:04,599
effectively entice face like we've seen from
Jazz and from especially from Layshan. And

669
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,119
so you're you're I see where you're
coming from on that. I I just

670
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:09,400
want to know if, if he's
got the ability to do that, when

671
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,480
are we going to see it shine
through? So as of right now,

672
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:16,639
like I'm I'm starting Layshan, he's
the first guy out of the pin on

673
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:22,199
Saturday for me. I The thing
I'll say about Leishan too, is he

674
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,880
has a knack for finding a crease
and exposing it. Whereas Jazz is a

675
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,840
sehole hit hole, le Shan finds
a crease. It's aggressive patience is the

676
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,239
way I described Leishan runs the ball. Yeah, is the most complete guy

677
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,119
right right now, He's just And
that's from a vision standpoint too. I

678
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,599
think you're absolutely right, like Jazz
and Caleb are like the almost the polar

679
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:49,360
opposites of one another, because Caleb
is this really big back who doesn't hit

680
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,519
hard, uh, and Jazz is
a guy who is not a very big

681
00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:00,840
back, hits really hard sometimes I
don't think is patient enough and it's just

682
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,960
gonna blast whoever's in front of him, which can be a good thing,

683
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,400
can be a bad thing, Whereas
Lei Shan is kind of your well rounded

684
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,920
back, maybe with the least amount
of upside of the three, but right

685
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,079
now he's your best, He's your
most complete, reliable guy. So you

686
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:21,360
know, I wish we could have
seen Jazz stay healthy after his performance against

687
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Iowa State. You know, maybe
that have made a difference for him.

688
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,000
I think he's got the potential to
be really good. We've talked about him

689
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,320
on the show, but you know
the bottom line is somebody asked him the

690
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,400
chat earlier. How does Michigan play
Iowa. I cannot imagine a scenario in

691
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,760
which Michigan does not load up the
box almost every down against Iowa. I

692
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:43,840
just don't see why you wouldn't because
if you stop, yeah, if you

693
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,320
stop the run, Iowa has nothing. They have nothing nothing. Michigan has

694
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,280
two grade corners. Yeah, I
mean, it would be absolutely ridiculous to

695
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,920
play Michigan the way or play Iowa
the way Michigan kind of played Ohio State

696
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:06,679
because obviously the difference out wide,
So that's what I expect, and that's

697
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,639
going to create long yardage situations on
critical downs. And the good news is

698
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:14,320
Iowa has been better on critical downs
over the last month, but they're still

699
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,360
not great, and collectively for the
season there towards the bottom of the Big

700
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,559
ten. So, you know,
Deacon putting Deacon in situations where you're you

701
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:27,079
know, obvious passing downs on passing
situations on third down is not going to

702
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,480
be ideal. I don't know if
the answer out wide is Caleb Brown.

703
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,039
I'd like to think it is,
but like you guys illustrated earlier, he's

704
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,440
he's had a tendency to drop some
passes Frankly, I think Deontay Vines has

705
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,639
done almost nothing this year. Frankly, can we just we'd be clear on

706
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,079
that he's given as far as as
far as pass catching, I don't even

707
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,079
know how many yards he has in
the season. He's been dinged up.

708
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:54,960
He was projected to be maybe the
number one guy. He's given them nothing

709
00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:00,480
out wide, like nothing over the
top, nothing in the passing. So

710
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:05,880
I think it has to be Caleb
Brown and Adison Astringa. It's been really

711
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:13,800
inconsistent from Deontay. We we're talking
about the the production from him. The

712
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,880
first two things I think of are
the what like two yard touchdown against Western

713
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,719
Michigan and then that absolutely freaking wild
catch he made against Minnesota. He had

714
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,280
that first half against Minnesota where he
caught like six passes or four passes or

715
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,719
whatever it was. And other than
that, I for the most part agree

716
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,800
with you, Corey. He'll be
back this weekend. I talked to him

717
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,679
on the field before the Nebraska game. I know Kirk wasn't exactly he's back.

718
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,239
It was, yeah, we expect
him to be back. He'll he'll

719
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,000
play this weekend. But based on
what he told me, and I mean

720
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,760
over these last few weeks with Deontay
out. I'm sure you guys are gonna

721
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,800
agree with me, but offense has
been better. You trust Caleb Brown to

722
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,119
make a play in the open field, and there were I don't know if

723
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,199
we had this conversation, Corey,
I think we might have, but early

724
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,719
on in the season, especially when
Deacon was first getting reps. What you

725
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,880
want for a guy who's inexperience like
that, especially to start the game,

726
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,519
is to start it like wide receiver
screens, running back screens, something that's

727
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:13,960
simple. Get him completions, get
him confidence, get him in a rhythm.

728
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,840
They didn't do that. They did
it maybe like once in a receiver

729
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,559
screen or a couple receiver screens with
Deontay Vines and maybe one with Nico raggy

730
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:24,239
Eni. But why aren't you getting
the ball to a guy like cayleb Brown

731
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,639
who can make a play in the
open field, And now they're doing it

732
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,559
and they're doing it too much.
They did it. He scored his first

733
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:34,199
touchdown I believe it was on a
receiver screen, made a play, and

734
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,320
then they did it a couple times
against Nebraska, and Nebraska read it and

735
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,280
snuffed it out like that well,
I'll say this too as it relates to

736
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,079
what you just said. I absolutely
think you're right. The passing game has

737
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:47,320
been so much better since Kayleb Brown's
been playing, and that is not a

738
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,440
result. I mean from what it
appears to us and based on you.

739
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,079
I'm not there for the press conferences
like you are every Tuesday, Eliott,

740
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,039
but based on the lingo from Kirk
ference, Caleb Brown's playing more because Deontay

741
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,719
vines it has been hurt. But
here's what that tells me. That's an

742
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:10,239
indictment on our ability to evaluate the
wide receiver position. Because if it takes

743
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:16,000
a guy getting hurt to see how
much better is back, why was Deonta

744
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:21,559
starting in the first place. Yeah, Caleb's had an issue with drops,

745
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:27,199
but frankly, I'll take that risk
of drops with his playmaking ability, with

746
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,480
his speed, with his out route
running and the potential make big plays.

747
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:35,320
We just not have not seen that
potential from Deontay yet. So you know,

748
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,320
it'll be nice to have a full
state. Hopefully those both those guys

749
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:42,880
are electric on Saturday. I don't
trust Deacon Hill, I'll be quite frank

750
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,239
I don't trust him in a big
game. I don't trust his ability to

751
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,679
come out and maintain that level of
accuracy we've seen over the last few weeks,

752
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,079
just because he doesn't have that groove
throwing motion that you typically want in

753
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:59,559
a quarterback kind of throws from the
hip. We've talked about that time and

754
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,559
time again, but we've seen him
perform well on certain days and that's going

755
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,840
to happen. I mean, he
can. I just don't know how consistent

756
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,840
it can be. So, yeah, I agree with you on all that

757
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:17,519
you mentioned the issues of drops of
Caleb Brown. I mean, who that's

758
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:22,280
healthy on the roster hasn't had an
issue with drops right now besides Addison Austranga.

759
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,920
Well, I guess consistently. Yeah, And as I've said over and

760
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,360
over again, who does that reflect
on If everybody's having the same issue,

761
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,800
it reflects on the coaching staff to
me, And it's you know, whether

762
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,119
you want to talk about Brian,
I think it's more you got to point

763
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:40,960
the finger at Calton Copeland. So
and those are the discussions you can have

764
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,480
after the season. But what has
Calton done with this wide receiver room.

765
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,199
He's a nice guy. I'm sure
his players love him, but they have

766
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,960
not gotten the production out of that
room that they need to and the fact

767
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,480
that drops continue to be an issue
even for a guy's talented is Caleb Brown,

768
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,360
If a guy as old as Nico
Rakayini, you know that's a problem.

769
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,719
Tight Ends ain't dropping passes. Elliott
you know, said yeah, I

770
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,559
mean when do we see as and
Astringa and even still Yanods. I mean

771
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:13,599
he's meant targeted much, but certainly
not Eric Hall or Luke Liche. So

772
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,960
you know they got to the key
on Saturday. To me is just they

773
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,119
got to figure out a way to
get on the board first, get a

774
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,519
lead, even if it's three zero. I know that doesn't seem like much,

775
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,280
but playing from behind against a team
like Michigan with a guy like Blake

776
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,159
Korum and Donovan Edwards, that is
just going to be almost an impossible task.

777
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,760
When you're putting a bunch of pass
heavy scenarios with your offense, you're

778
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,840
you're gonna be in trouble. So
I just hope they can figure out a

779
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,159
way. Maybe it's not on the
first drive, maybe they don't take the

780
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:50,440
ball first, I get I'm guessing
they will take the ball first, try

781
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,239
to get a couple of first downs, which is kind of how they play

782
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,400
the game. They're not trying to
score that first drive so much is just

783
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,039
getting the field flipped and if you
can pinsh can back, maybe you can

784
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:05,639
get a field goal or a touchdown
that second drive. And Corey, that's

785
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:09,360
where I'll push back on your explanation
of complimentary football or the way they would

786
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:16,440
see complimentary football. And I certainly
appreciate your take when you came back from

787
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,760
that Wisconsin game, because you explained
it on our show similarly to the way

788
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,800
you just explained it, and it
kind of hit me as well as Okay,

789
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,800
yes, I get this to a
better degree than I got it before.

790
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:37,840
In regards to them playing risk reward
and placing that risk burden on their

791
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,199
defense and not their offense and saying
just keep punting, just keep hunting.

792
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:45,679
We'll let them make the mistake.
We don't want to make the mistake on

793
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:52,639
offense, I totally get that.
But in regards to complimentary football being offense

794
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:57,960
scores defense shuts them down. Offense
scores defense, well, that's a juggernaut,

795
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,320
is what that is. That's a
fifty it's nothing. You know,

796
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:09,320
game, Protect the football, maintain
the football, don't have the least number

797
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,920
of yardage stats in the nation,
because you at least want to move the

798
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,360
football far enough to punt it and
use Tory Taylor, which they do on

799
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,360
occasion. But even if you don't
drive at seventy five yards for a touchdown,

800
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,079
maintain the football, protect the football, which they haven't necessarily done.

801
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:34,639
I've run the cops on the six
opponents that they and Michigan share and I

802
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,840
was at a minus two turnover margin
in those games. So they've been more

803
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:45,960
sloppy with the football than they should
be considering their limitations, and they haven't

804
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:52,440
placed their defense in the best positions
as they haven't the last couple of years.

805
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,440
And that's why I'm just pushing up
back against the complimentary football being a

806
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:07,159
legitimate stance. Normally very very good
in turnover margin because typically Phil Parker's defenses

807
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,760
create a lot of turnovers, specifically
interceptions. They have not been as productive

808
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,159
with that this year. You know, could you argue part of that is

809
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,400
injuries in the defensive backfield. Maybe
they always seem to get banged up back

810
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,960
there. Cooper's been out, Ja
Murray was out for a couple of games.

811
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,880
Do to the betting stuff, and
then they've been sloppier because I think

812
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,239
partly Caid was hurt when he was
playing. Deacon is not very good,

813
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,920
I mean, frankly, I mean
Elliott you said he's just not very good.

814
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:42,360
He's he's getting by right now,
he's playing better, but he's you

815
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,000
know, he is a lower Big
ten tier level quarterback. And so I

816
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,960
mean that's what makes it even more
impressive that they've won ten games is because

817
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,440
what you just said Mark that they
aren't dominating on turnover margin, and they've

818
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,760
had some issues with placekicking. Now
they've been pretty good most of the year

819
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,599
with placekicking, but they've been you
look at the years as a whole,

820
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:06,880
especially these last couple of games from
Drew have been that good to the last

821
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:12,679
if I can err up Corey,
just to quantify that ten of seventeen over

822
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,880
the last two months, that's fifty
nine percent. That's a failing grade.

823
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,400
Yeah, And I don't know,
I'm going to go back and look at

824
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,400
some of those. There have been
several blocks in there. I don't know.

825
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,599
You know, again, everybody wants
to condemn Drew for all the blocks.

826
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,880
There are multiple facets of getting blocked
right and they give him. They've

827
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,159
given him longer kicks because they have
confidence in him. Fifty plus he missed

828
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:37,559
a fifty three yarder. I think
it was was it last week a week

829
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:42,800
before? Not to excuse that because
he should be making those, but yeah,

830
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,599
I mean the fact that they've been
able to accomplish what they've accomplished with

831
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:50,840
all that being said, is impressive. I think the better question and the

832
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:52,840
big issue that we need to dress
here is Elliott, are you going to

833
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:58,280
hit up the beef house on the
way out to Indy? What's the beef

834
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,440
househ? Sorry, guys, oh
my goodness. Well, first of all,

835
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,320
Don Patterson will tell you back when
he coached at Western, every time

836
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,679
they'd go out to Tara Hate for
a game at Indiana State, they'd stop

837
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:13,199
at the beef House. And he
actually told the story and again i'll publish

838
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,159
this this evening on the show,
but he was stilling a story on the

839
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:21,079
podcast about how there was one year
where they were not playing very well at

840
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:22,320
Indiana State. He told his guys
at halftime, he said, well,

841
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,679
we can always just stop by McDonald's
on the way home. We don't have

842
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:27,679
to go to the beef house.
And he said, well, what do

843
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,840
you know, we played better and
won the second half. Anyways, it's

844
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:34,360
if you go a long ice seventy
five. I've never been there. I'm

845
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,280
gonna I plan on stopping there,
but it's apparently an iconic thing. There's

846
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,400
big signs of long I seventy four
mark. Have you done it before?

847
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,159
I have not. But where are
we talking about exactly? I don't even

848
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:52,280
know if I've been in that part
of the country. You haven't been in

849
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,920
that part of the country. Well, it's not that far outside of it's

850
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:01,159
in Covington, Indiana, So it's
like east of Danville. Okay, I

851
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:07,400
guess I have. It's between Danville
and Crawfordsville. I don't know that I've

852
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,559
been there either. I lived in
Indianapolis for a couple of months for a

853
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:16,000
POSTCRAD internship. But uh, I'm
I'm writing it down right now because I

854
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,599
might not stop there, either on
the way there or on the way back.

855
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,119
Yeah, I've I've heard nothing but
good things about it. So Covington,

856
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,639
Covington, Indiana, and the website
is beef house Rolls dot com.

857
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,440
Anyways, I know that really has
a lot to do with the game.

858
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,119
I just thought I'd add that in. So, what's your I'm curious what's

859
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,960
are you and Adam both you both
credentialed for the game? Yep, yep,

860
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,880
we're both going awesome. Well,
very much looking forward to it.

861
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:52,119
Safe travels, Mark, I wish
that My only wish is that you were

862
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:53,599
also going. I said that to
you a few weeks ago. I know

863
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:59,920
you've got other conference championship games to
cover, but this should be uh an

864
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,599
experience. Unlike somebody said in the
chat earlier, this maybe I was last

865
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:08,039
chance, like ever to go to
this game, because frankly, let's think

866
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:13,159
about it, even if you didn't
have divisions this year before the expansion,

867
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,280
how often would Iowa? Well,
they wouldn't. When would they have ever

868
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:22,320
made the championship game? As long
as Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn

869
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,199
State are playing, you would never
make the top two of the conference twenty

870
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,039
fifteen technically, but their schedule would
have been different, of course, Yo,

871
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:37,079
Well that's exactly right. The schedule
would have been different. And see

872
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,440
who were their crossover opponents in fifteen? You want to do a quick trivia

873
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:45,199
Mark, they played was in Ohio
State? I know that they played Maryland?

874
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:52,039
They played Indiana and they played let's
see Maryland, Indiana. They did

875
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:57,239
not play Penn State, did not
play Rutgers, did not play Mission.

876
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,079
Who was their other Oh wait,
no, we had we had eight conference

877
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:08,639
games, so they only had the
two so they played sorry Maryland and Indiana.

878
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,400
So there you go, Mark,
Yeah, it was a light touch

879
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:22,559
that year. It definitely was.
They played a total of two ranked teams

880
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,800
in the regular season, and one
of them was Northwestern, where they won

881
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,119
forty to ten. Yeah, that
was the game that Kirk brought up,

882
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,320
I think during his press conference isn't
he Elliott this week? He said something

883
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,960
about maybe I know you weren't you
weren't covering the beat back then, but

884
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:42,360
he brought up CJ kind of being
hampered and they he was I think he

885
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,360
used the term concerned or worried.
He was worried going into that game because

886
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,519
that was a good Northwestern team.
That was I think a three touchdown day

887
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:53,559
for Akrom wildly and they just hambered
Northwestern. And was were you going through

888
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:59,039
the regular season there or did that
include Michigan State in the Big Ten the

889
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:04,239
regular season? Mission State was at
the other one point. I think Stanford

890
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,360
was top twenty five, right,
Mark, Yeah, I think they the

891
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,960
top twenty five. They got there. I think their running back was pretty

892
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,119
good. Yeah. That was a
fake idea of college football era, wasn't

893
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:20,400
it? Tell you what? Uh? I'm surprised. I said this to

894
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,800
Mark the other day. I can't
believe that Colin Calvert hasn't jumped back on

895
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,920
that this week this year because I
think this this team, this is now.

896
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,960
This is going to sound controversial,
but this schedule, relatively speaking,

897
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,719
I think was worse. The way
they won games has been worse than they

898
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:41,679
won in fifteen. Quarterback play has
been worse. Like if anybody's going to

899
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,920
call anybody the fake idea of college
football, it would be IOWA this year,

900
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,360
not fifteen. This year. At
least in fifteen they had guys like

901
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,880
Bethard and Kittle and King, and
I mean they had got Josie Jewel,

902
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,639
They had dudes. They have dudes
this year too, but I mean not

903
01:04:54,719 --> 01:05:00,079
like those dudes on the sideline and
crutches. Yeah, exactly, exactly right,

904
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,800
Lucas Eric Allin Cooper. Yeah.
Absolutely. My guess on why Cowherd

905
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,440
hasn't talked about Iowa is because he
only cares about who's competing for a national

906
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:13,639
championship. That's that's all his show
deals with is if you're going to reach

907
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:16,559
the playoff, if you got a
chance, if Iowa had won the Minnesota

908
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:19,800
game, if that would have been
flipped, then just going to say that

909
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,239
they might be on his radar.
Would you ever could you get calling on

910
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,280
this show? Mark? Have you
had Have you ever reached out to him?

911
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,880
No, I have not reached out
to Colin Cowherd. I would love

912
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,760
for you to do. Did you
ever did you ever run into him when

913
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,199
you're during your time at ESPN?
Sure, yeah, he used to talk

914
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:42,960
to him. Did you have a
pleasantries or were they absolutely? It wasn't

915
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,599
like we were arguing in the hall
or anything. No. Yeah, all

916
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,000
right, I'm just curious. I'd
love to get him on this show.

917
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:55,599
I think what would be great is
and I'll tell you what this show would

918
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:59,000
be, would take the next step
Mark on your main channel. You get

919
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:04,519
like a panel of like Josh Pate, Colin Cowherd, Dan Patrick, Dave

920
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:12,760
Selling one of those Okay, we've
had a few times there. Yeah,

921
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,679
Elliott, No, I don't know
if we can if we can get him,

922
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,079
if we can get off I don't
know if we can get him and

923
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:24,119
then get rest of those guys and
then add Steve Days to the mix,

924
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:28,159
and you'd have a show right there. Mark, by the way, did

925
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,239
I haven't listened to the Steven process, But somebody told me that he made

926
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:35,159
a comment about nobody on Iowa's team
would start for Michigan. Is that true

927
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:41,320
that he said that. He said
something close to that. He said excluding

928
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,760
their injuries, taking those injured guys
off the table. So Jay Higgins wouldn't

929
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,719
start First team All Big Ten wouldn't
start for Michigan. I think Michigan only

930
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:57,480
starts two linebackers, and maybe he's
going to play. I don't know.

931
01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,000
I'm just curious. So I'm just
I don't even know who they're lying back,

932
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,400
Michael Barrett, Junior Colson. There
are they are? They both were?

933
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,880
They both first team All Big Ten. You got to understand, to

934
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:10,079
a certain extent, there's a difference
between who votes for first and second team

935
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,360
versus who coaches are saying they're going
to be playing. Okay, I understand

936
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,119
that, but I'm just simply saying, Okay, Jay Higgins is a tremendous

937
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:23,199
player. I'm not taking that away
from him, and I'm not I'm not

938
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,960
in a position to evaluate Michigan's linebackers
to the extent that I can compare them

939
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,760
to Jay Higgins. Yeah, that
would probably be my one when I heard

940
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,480
that, that would be the one. If if he was taking injuries into

941
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,320
account, then I can kind of
understand it. With the exception being I

942
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,320
think Jay Higgins is just exceptional.
Yes, he was taking leche and all

943
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:49,079
out of the me and the gene. Of course, you'd really have to

944
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:53,559
think about Nick Jackson for a second
as well. He's been phenomenal these last

945
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:57,360
especially these last few games. And
I mean, you got a five star

946
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,440
safety on this back end. Grantedy's
in his second year, but when you're

947
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,480
talking about top end and potential,
especially he's ager Wampa. I mean,

948
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:08,519
I know he didn't get any conference
awards or anything, but like and Sebastian

949
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:12,719
Castro was freaking amazing this year.
I don't know how the coaches left him

950
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,840
off the All Conference Awards and it
was just media that was insane to me.

951
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,840
Well, you guys are smarter than
the coaches. Elliott. Let me

952
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,840
just say this as it relates to
punter. Damn, right, are you

953
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,880
telling me that, Are you telling
me that Tory Taylor wouldn't start from Michigan?

954
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:35,000
Mark, Am I telling you that
he challenge Stevie on that? Yes?

955
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,600
I will know. I did not
challenge him because I just thought I

956
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,600
just kind of scanned and thought offense
defense that did the dell. Okay,

957
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,399
I'm not really going to challenge him. There. We know Sebastian Castro,

958
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,560
Joe Ebbans, those guys would be
in the rotation. They'd be in there

959
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,479
playing a ton of football. Yes, I think we all know that.

960
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,439
But Michigan's got a really good punter. He's not Tory Taylor, but he's

961
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,560
really good. I also think it's
fair to say, Mark that you know,

962
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:06,920
you could argue certain players like Joe
Evans, had he spent his whole

963
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:12,159
career at Michigan, might not be
as good as he is now. In

964
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,600
fact, there's a good chance he's
not because I think iowas is it fair

965
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:23,760
to say Iowa is probably better at
developing guys like I mean, you know,

966
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:27,079
I mean that's I know Michigan fans
will probably get angry about that,

967
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,720
but you know who's taken two and
three star guys and putting them in the

968
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,880
league at a high rate. Who's
taken four and five star guys and putting

969
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,960
them in the league at at a
high rate. So we just don't know

970
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,960
what Michigan's ability to develop quite like
we do about it with Iowa's, So

971
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:43,039
like Joe and Joe Evans wouldn't have
had the opportunity to play as much.

972
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,159
But remember we had this conversation about
Ohio State when you found the numbers,

973
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:53,880
I forget who produced the numbers of
schools that had produced the most three stars

974
01:09:53,960 --> 01:10:00,079
to the NFL College Football Playoff era
something like that, Like the statu a

975
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:06,800
year for me, and that Ohio
State was number two was pretty significant because

976
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:12,680
they hardly sign any three stars and
that tells me that they obviously can develop,

977
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,920
and that tells me they're pretty durn
good at evaluating. They signed one

978
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:24,439
last year. They they are identifying
any of the they are just identifying guys,

979
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,600
right, they're four and five star
guys. It's like, yep,

980
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,680
there are four or five star guys. But then it's like, oh,

981
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,640
they missed this guy, this guy, this guy, and it's like,

982
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:38,600
yep, they sure did. That's
that's a testament to Ahto State, who

983
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:45,279
is I was best offensive lineman.
Don't ask. Yeah, I feel like

984
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,760
I don't have an answer to that
question. Eli, do you have an

985
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,680
answer to that? I mean,
that's the problem. There are several there

986
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:59,239
are several games this year where one
of them looked atrocious, like Mason Richmond.

987
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:02,680
You'd think you're left tackle would be
solid, but there. I think

988
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,159
it was the Penn State game.
He was just taken to school. He

989
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:11,119
was. And Logan Jones, Yeah, go ahead, I know. I

990
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:14,399
mean, Logan Jones has been out
and I think there was too much hype

991
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,239
around him heading into the year.
Jennings Dunker is probably still I still think

992
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:20,640
he's not a natural tackle. I
don't. I don't know he's playing right

993
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:26,560
tackle. Colby got pinned on his
butt last week on field goal coverage,

994
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,760
so I don't know. I Rusty
has been a pleasant surprise. I don't

995
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,479
think you could call him the best
offensive lineman though either. I mean,

996
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,720
he was wrote Payton snaps with Nick
the Young and like Tyler Elsbery in relief

997
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,319
of Logan Jones has been awesome.
Yeah, he's been good. He's been

998
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:46,159
good. He was good at guard
last year. I thought he played a

999
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:49,359
little bit. I don't think he
played enough last year. I think he's

1000
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:54,079
been dealing with I think he had
an injury coming into the year or something,

1001
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:59,199
but that that also might be completely
wrong. But I think he's been

1002
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:03,079
really good at center. Haven't had
any really slip ups or anything with a

1003
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:08,279
snap. Obviously, Deacon fell over
himself a couple of times or over a

1004
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:12,960
the Lions lineman's leg. I think
that was against Illinois. No, that

1005
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,680
was that was that was Nebraska twice
yep. Yeah, the one would have

1006
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,600
been a safety had he not made
some acrobatic move to get that ball into

1007
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:25,760
the hands of his running back.
Right, So, Corey, did you

1008
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,279
see the end of it? Was
a presser? It might have been the

1009
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:32,960
Rutgers game. Everything runs together with
me at this point in time in the

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01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:40,079
season. It's just a tunnel vision
going forward. But anyway, Kirk said

1011
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:45,119
something about getting Deacon into a fitness
program the off season. Yeah, I

1012
01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:47,359
did hear that. I don't know
if that was said in jest. My

1013
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,840
question would be, why was that
not done during this last off season.

1014
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,640
Yeah, that might have been a
scenario where you're just trying to get him,

1015
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,039
you know, integrated with the offense
and so, but you know that

1016
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:05,239
should happen over spring because he got
there in spring. But and who maybe

1017
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:15,319
they did try it, who knows, I don't. I asked the offensive

1018
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:19,640
line question because of the Day's comment
made me think offensive line, Iowa offensive

1019
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:25,239
line. And even though that's the
narrative, as there's nobody on that old

1020
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:28,920
line that would start at Michigan.
As Corey has schooled me on, that

1021
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:32,079
narrative is an old one and it's
outdated, and we've seen, yes,

1022
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:35,720
subpar play along the offensive line.
But it also reminds me that the Michigan

1023
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:41,159
offensive line has not been stellar the
last four or five games, and I

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01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:45,039
really think that Iowa has an opportunity
there. I've been watching the Hawkeyes probably

1025
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:49,560
five six consecutive games, and I
think they really have an opportunity along the

1026
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:55,560
defensive front to cause havoc make I'll
put a promo in for the show with

1027
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,760
Don because it's funny you say that
he did say. I asked him specifically.

1028
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:01,840
I think this was on the air, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't

1029
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:09,199
mind me repeating this. He said
the right side of that line before what's

1030
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:12,560
his face went down last week.
What's the name of the guy who's out

1031
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:17,720
was her guard as Zach Zenter.
Okay. Before Zenter went down, Don

1032
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:24,760
said that he had seen some vulnerabilities
from I think the right tackle Barnhart.

1033
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:29,399
Okay, and is he moving inside
now? Did I hear that right he

1034
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,800
moved to left guard? I might
have that wrong. Okay. We talked

1035
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,760
about this on my podcast with Trevor
McHugh that went out today. I couldn't

1036
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,880
tell you the specifics of it,
but he said that, you know,

1037
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,560
unfortunately, given the circumstances, but
that might have made the offensive line overall

1038
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,760
better. The moving around that's happened
in this last week. Well that's interesting

1039
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,039
because Don just said, you know, hey, if the right tackle didn't

1040
01:14:56,039 --> 01:15:00,039
look great before, and your right
guard is now down and they're shuffling the

1041
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,920
right side of that line, could
have some vulnerabilities in there. So I'll

1042
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,479
be interested to see how much pressure
Phil dials up. I guess is he

1043
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:12,279
won't dial up very much early.
But and I wasn't. Let's be honest.

1044
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,159
I was not gotten home much with
a four man front. So they're

1045
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:18,119
going to have to dial pressure up
if they're going to get home on McCarthy.

1046
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,920
McCarthy's not one. I think you
said it earlier. He doesn't like

1047
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:28,159
to throw the ball away, and
you know, so they'll be interesting to

1048
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:31,479
see if they can kind of coax
him into making some poor decisions. And

1049
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,159
just like you talk about unconventional or
non traditional touchdowns, whether it's a kick

1050
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:40,800
return or a punt return, what
if you get a Joe Evans stripsack or

1051
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,239
you get a you know, a
Sebastian Castro, you know, jumped route

1052
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:46,840
and he runs one in for ten
yards. You know, if they pin

1053
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,600
him back and you get an interception
or something back there, boy, it

1054
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,079
changes the game. How many safeties
is Iowa had this year? You know?

1055
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,000
So that's how i was won games. They just figure out a way

1056
01:15:58,039 --> 01:16:01,399
to get points on the board.
You mentioned the right side of the field.

1057
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,840
What I've been told as well,
or the right side of the offensive

1058
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,960
line rather so, what I've been
told as well is if you can push

1059
01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:12,760
McCarthy to his left, that's what
you're gonna want. You're gonna want to

1060
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,960
get him out of the pocket and
move and left as opposed to right.

1061
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,920
Obviously, I mean that just kind
of goes with right handed quarterbacks, right,

1062
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,399
But so you know, there's there's
something to be aware of right there.

1063
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,880
Do you go the route of,
Okay, we've got to play Iowa

1064
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,359
football to the hilt, to the
hilt meaning we run the play clock down

1065
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,640
to one every time we snap the
ball, we squeeze this and we just

1066
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:39,399
play so conservatively and do our thing. Or do you just break tendencies left

1067
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:44,720
and right and go crazy and throw
the kitchen sink at them. You probably

1068
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,720
need to do this in a calculated
way. Is throw the kitchen sink at

1069
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:56,840
Michigan because seven percent you don't.
That's that reminds me of when Iowa went

1070
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,560
to Ohio State. Were you covering
the Hawkeyes last year? Or is this

1071
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,880
year for year? And the beat
first? They went to Ohigh State last

1072
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,479
year. You know, in doing
all the many shows Corey and I do

1073
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,399
during the offseason, I remember telling
him they're going to be a twenty five

1074
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,520
point underdog in that game. And
he just and I even thought that was

1075
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,159
ridiculous me saying that to him,
but I just knew the you know,

1076
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:23,239
the the projection of both teams.
He's like, no way, no,

1077
01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:26,720
no, no, there'll be a
two touchdown underdog. There'll be a seventeen

1078
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,520
point dog. It gets to the
game, they're a thirty point underdog.

1079
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,840
That's just a team that's as good
as Iowa. They go to Columbus,

1080
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,680
they're a thirty point under Well,
they lost by forty four points. So

1081
01:17:39,319 --> 01:17:44,279
it's in this and I think of
the psychological portion of this, and I

1082
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,600
think, I don't know if you
saw this out of the Michigan cornerback.

1083
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,680
He said last week's game was the
Big ten championship, you know, talking

1084
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:57,840
about the Ohio but two years ago, if there would have been a letdown

1085
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,880
spot for Michigan, it would have
been two years ago. That's the first

1086
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,840
time they beat Ohio State. You
know, that game was just everything to

1087
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:08,800
them to finally break through that.
My thought that week was, oh,

1088
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:15,199
they might have a let down here
forty two to three. So I think

1089
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,720
this is more in the twenty seven
to ten range. I think it'll be

1090
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:25,039
respectable. Yeah, you know,
I think. I yeah, what I

1091
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:29,840
said yesterday, I said thirty three
six a couple days ago. Now I'm

1092
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,359
down to twenty seven to six,
just because again what I was told by

1093
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:38,840
by Trevor is just that he thinks
they're fully Michigan's fully comfortable playing Iowa football

1094
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:44,319
in this game, like just running
the clock down score. But they'll be

1095
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:48,600
more efficient. That's the thing is
Iowa football is not efficient. Michigan football

1096
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,640
can be efficient with the way you're
able to run the ball with Donovan Edwards

1097
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,159
and Blake Corum, and with the
way that JJ McCarthy. I mean,

1098
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:59,760
you've watched the Ohio State game.
I'm sure that ball that he snuck between

1099
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,439
those to DBS to Roman Wilson,
that was unreal. I haven't seen a

1100
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,039
throw like that. I don't know
the last time I saw a throw like

1101
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:12,359
that. Throw it about three inches
over the guy's helmet. It was wild,

1102
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,520
and that was Elliott not to catch
you off. That was even more

1103
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,279
impressive when you take the shot behind
the quarterback, because not only did he

1104
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:24,239
lace it down the field when he
threw it, there were like hands in

1105
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:29,439
traffic in his face and he even
like changed his arm angle to get it

1106
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,560
through the window of the line to
get it downfield. It's like Patrick Mahomes

1107
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,800
type stuff. Yeah, do we
have him on tape doing something like that.

1108
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:44,720
No, I don't have to do
any research to tell you that he

1109
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,039
has made I think it was the
Illinois game. He did make some pretty

1110
01:19:48,079 --> 01:19:53,840
wild throws into some windows that we
did not see before. I was sitting

1111
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,479
in a press box with Adam and
a couple of the other media guys,

1112
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,720
and I leaned back and I was
like, I think Deacon Hill sold his

1113
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,800
soul the death because like Deacon Hill
six weeks ago, is not making these

1114
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:10,800
throws. But again, that wasn't
against Ohio State. That was against ILLINOI

1115
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,520
right, like, and it was
to Nico Ragga Eni, you know,

1116
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,279
not Roman Wilson. They weren't scoring
on places like this, So you just

1117
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,279
there's only so much trust you can
put in Deacon Hill to make plays,

1118
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:26,960
right, I mean, like with
Caleb Brown on the field, that makes

1119
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,920
you more inclined to say that maybe
something can happen. Thank you so much

1120
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for joining us on Big ten Paradigm
right here in the college Gridiron Coast to

1121
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:40,520
Coast network. We will talk to
you next week when we've got college football

1122
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,079
playoff teams selected and the bowl season
as well as the transfer portal on a

1123
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:50,359
full throttle right here on Big ten
Paradigm. Enjoyed the games this weekend