Welcome to Spacing Out with Bebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four
Episode ten Revelations. Welcome back. I'm bb and I'm Jason, and this
is Spacing Out towre today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you're new
to the show, welcome, and you should know we're gonna have a spoiler
section at the end of the podcast where we are free to discuss future events,
but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar
Galactica Season four Episode ten Revelations, the mid season finale for season four.
It's originally aired on June thirteenth, two thousand and eight. Written by Bradley
Thompson and David Weddell, directed by Michael Reimer. The survivor count in this
episode was thirty nine thousand, six hundred and sixty five, which is a
loss of eight from last time. In this episode, the Cylon Deanna holds
Rosalind and the other humans aboard that based our hostage and exchange for the four
final five Cylons. Acting President Lea Dama engages in a tenth standoff of the
Cylons, Tory Foster joins the Cylons on the base, star assault I confesses
the truth of his identity to add Roll Adama Anders in Chief Tyroll are soon
discovered as well and are used as leverage by Leo Dama, and then Starbuck
discovers a signal from her Viper believed to come from Earth, and Dianna and
Lee form an alliance to find Earth, and the fleet at last arrives at
Earth and celebration ensues over The mood changes drastically when the landing party steps onto
a desolit radioactive lifeless world. Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall?
How does it stand the test of time? So on that note,
how'd you like this episode? I really liked it. It was so good.
It was so good. It was so many things finally happening. Yeah.
It is like the release of a lot of build up that's been happening.
Yeah. Yeah, So I really enjoyed this episode. Yeah, and
you almost. You don't expect like all of it to come pouring out.
No. If I thought it was well, I was gonna ask, like,
is this episode longer than a regular episode? No, it wasn't.
I checked it looked like it was maybe like a minute longer, which is
weird, but it felt longer, like it felt long to meet, like
I thought maybe because it was the mid season finale that they got like a
little extra time. No, it wasn't. Normally there are like a number
of extended episodes coming up. This one it's not one of them, Okay,
So yeah, oh yeah, So it's a good one. Definitely,
like just full of excitement, twist and turns, definitely has that finale vibe
to it. Trivia time, what facts could we uncover for revelations? So
this was the last episode filmed prior to the two thousand and seven two thousand
and eight Writers Guild of America strike strike classes for one hundred days and delayed
production on the second half of the season. There's a chance that the strike
would cause the show to be canceled, making this episode the series finale,
and the episode was intentionally written in a way that it could serve as a
finale if that was necessary. I did find some kind of contradictory information that
they might have shot the next episode, episode eleven, prior to shutting down,
But either way, if the show was canceled, this was going to
be the finale. So there's a scene shot where Tori unleashes a lot more
fury and a confrontation with Roslin and she reveals herself to her, which I
kind of wanted to see. Yeah, I really enjoyed when she said you
don't give orders, I was like, give me some more things. Yeah,
because Rosin was like, oh, you're asylum. I can use this
to my advantage. For the arrival at Earth, composer bar McCreary composed the
piece titled Diaspora Oratorio. He also wrote the lyrics, which was then translated
into Latin for one scene and Samoan for another. Yeah. I don't know
why, but didn't want it to be in English. The scene on Earth
was shot on Centennial Beach in British Columbia. Where's British Columbia, Canada?
Oh okay, that kind of sucks for you, Canada. I've chosen as
a desolate, dead place. Well they shoot the show there too, so
oh deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode.
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do we start Diana is a badass in this. Yeah, she's like just
woke up from her nap and she's taking control of the situation. She's like,
I'm fucking taking hostages. I have a plan, and I want the
Final five. I want the Final four because she knows that the Final five
aren't there, because she thinks that the well, I won't say Sae,
that's for spoilers, but she knows who the final the final four are on
the fleet, and she wants them to come to the Cylon base ship.
And I thought it was really sneaky how Tory decided to take herself out.
Yeah. Yeah, her method of getting on there was Laura needs her pills,
y'all. Like you could have just grabbed the pills and handed them to
Diana, but like, here's her pills, goodbye. No, She's like,
I'm no one to take care of the president. I've been with her
for the last twelve years or whatever. Saltis like, no, we can't
say anything. Yeah. Plus, it's Tory's choice, Like if she wants
to go with the Cylons where she's going to be treated better than that's her
choice. Yeah, but they're not one hundred percent sure that Dana actually knows
who they are, but they know Tori knows. Yeah, yeah, But
my question is kind of like, how does Danna's plan actually work? Like
how's it supposed to work? Because they say, like, don't interfere with
the shuttle traffic so that the cylons can go to the base star if they
want, right, But so like, say, like the Chief wanted to
go, does he find a pilot and ask him to take him to the
bass Star. And I feel like the Chief knows how to handle a fly,
like if he had to, he could fly a ship. I guess
he is a chief, Like he is a person who knows how to build
one of these birds from scratch, So I'm sure if he had to,
he could totally fly one. And I feel like the same thing for the
Colonel Tie and Oders is obviously a nugget, so okay, I guess that's
fair. The only one who would have trouble would be fucking Tory, and
she caught a ride. Yeah, so I could totally see either any of
them. Besides Tory being able to fly their own plane, they could steal
three ships if they wanted to. But if it was Tory, she would
have had to ask someone for a ride and pretend like she wasn't going.
She literally has to out herself or ask one of the other Cylons to take
go with her. But she saw her ride and she's like, I'm going.
I gotta take her heads. It's really important. She's gonna die,
y'all. And it was really iconic when Tory did finally meet Laura on the
ship and she was like, yeah, I'm one of them. You can't
tell me what to do anymore. I'm the final five, I'm the elite
Cylon class and I'm with my people. And I think that really, like
I feel like it made her feel worthy or something like, because I don't
know, I feel like back on the Battlestar, she didn't really have a
real purpose besides serving mothers being an aid to humans. And after she started
hanging out with Gias, Laura treated her really poorly, and I feel like
she really valued that relationship, and after Laura was like really nasty to her,
she probably just didn't see a point in like, why the fuck am
I helping these people? Yeah, I agree. I think the way she
was treated by Rosalind it really took away like some of the purpose she had
in her job in that role of serving the president. And yeah, I
thought Leah Dama was pretty strong in this episode. Two. Yeah, it's
gonna mention so. Starbuck at the beginning tells Lee that Leoben said to her,
for children to reach their full potential, their parents have to die,
which, first of all, fucking Lee open, that's a terrible thing to
say, right, But also, I mean, the admiral doesn't literally die,
but figuratively he becomes very incapacitated. Leodama really steps up to this leadership
role and ends up brokering a piece deal with the Cylons, which I don't
think if Admiral Adama was involved that that would have happened. I don't know
that he would have stepped down from a standoff like that. We also get
to see Adama just shit face MESSI Yeah, he loses it, like we've
seen him drunk before, but not like this. No, Like he was
probably about to shoot his pants in that bathroom. He was so fucked up.
And the reason he was fucked up is because Colonel Tie made a very
bold decision once he saw Tory was gone and that we're going to lose people
from their fleet. He's like some of our guys are on that ship.
And he really hated the fact that Adama was like ready to kill everybody to
like to do what. I don't know because if they if he kills everybody
on the Cylon base ship, they still don't know who the fuck the Cylons
are, and they won't like if those Cylons choose not to they will never
find Earth. So like, to what end do you destroy that ship?
It makes no sense, But he's ready because Laura said to do it,
because they always want the upper hand. Well, because even if they can't
find Earth through the Cylons, they don't want the Cylons to find her.
But that's not all the Cylons, that's only half of them. They're in
a civil war, and they're the ones that are trying to have like some
sort of relationship with you, you idiots. And so I think it's the
plan is terrible, and it gets worse. But Colonel Tie, being the
military mind that he is, comes up and he says, listen, Bill,
I should have told you shit. I should have done it myself and
thrown myself out the airlock and then we wouldn't be in this mess. But
I am one of the final five and you can use that to your advantage.
And Bill Adama was like, the fuck are you talking about? When
I met you you had hair? How dare you even joke about this?
And then he realizes it's not a joke. And we don't really see what
happens right away. We see the aftermath of Colonel Tie being in custody and
Adama being, well, just like dealing with this knowledge in a very terrible
way. Yeah, well, I think it's also he's dealing with this knowledge,
but also he's supposed to kill his best friend and his best friend too.
Yeah, and because he sends Tie to the airlock and he doesn't naked
there himself. Yeah, and how do you deal with that, like your
best friend for many years, your right hand man. I feel like I
don't know if I would drink myself, but I would definitely, like be
very upset. I would definitely be crying and be upset about it. And
I think it's really powerful to see Lee Leadama step up in that and be
like, Dad, it's okay. He was holding him and consoling him,
and he's like, you know, we were all fooled. None of us
knew with his record and all the things he's done on New Caprica, like
he was part of the resistance against the Cylons. They even mentioned his eye
honorable mention for body parts lost to the resistance and that like even Odama was
like, Nah, they fucked you up. They like when you were in
captivity, they hypnotized you. They they made you believe that you're a Cylon.
And he's like, no, Bill, I'm a Cylon and you need
to use this. And I think it's so noble for Tide to do that
like that. Just to me, it shows where his alliances and where it
will always be, but potentially like with this ship, because he cares so
much about these humans even though he's a Cylon, and I really admire that
in this character. Yeah, that's kind of how he's been since he found
out. He's like, you know, I'm still SALTI XO of this ship.
Yeah, and even in this episode, he's calling himself a coward for
not coming forward sooner, right, and then he even out his other Cylon
buddies as they're like gathering like a moth to a flame to that weird viper
that was didn't have a scratch on it after it exploded mysteriously. Yeah,
yeah, so we get the return of the Watchtower song to draw them all
together one more time at the viper, and the guys aren't smart enough to
figure it out, but they get Starbuck in there. They're like, hey,
you really need to look at that viper because we're under arrest, and
also your husband's a cylon. Yeah look yeah, anders Is like it's true.
Did I do that? Honestly? Like, wasn't sure how Starbuck was
going to react in that moment, and like, is she going to like
snap and punch him because she hates cylons. Yeah, and she's like coming
warming up to them because of the way that she and newly Leoben were in
that room looking at the charts and shit, I was a little too close
for comfort. Yeah, looking at charts, that's what they're doing. So
maybe she's warm. She's literally warming up to the cylons. But thankfully she
figures out that the ship's navigation is finally pointing to Earth, and the scenes
of her running through Galactica, if you put like the Benny Hill music behind
it, it is so hilarious, didn't it think she was just running so
funny? Balactica never seemed as big as when she had to make that run
from it. Yeah, and so as Lea Dama was ready to push a
tie out of the airlock, she runs in just in the nick of time
and tells them, no, these damn cylons just gave us Earth. And
based on the ending, I feel like they counted their eggs before they hatched.
Yeah, Adama's like, we gotta go all in roll the hard six,
no recon nothing, We're all going down to the surface together. We're
gonna go breathe this air, touch this fucking radioactive soil with my bare hands.
Yep, Jesus. And then like the contrast between when they make that
final jump, Gata says like this is it. The planet's a match,
and like Adama gives that speech and it's really emotional, and the celebrations throughout
the ship fucking Liadama makes an ass of himself. Leadama's stripping off his jacket
like he just jumping on tables. He just won the championship. And they
get shots like throughout the fleet in this they're like in the refinery and stuff.
If they're they're in Colonel ties private quarters. Yeah, some of them
are very lonely in this moment. And yeah, just people reacting differently,
and it goes from that very emotional high to just like the bottom drops out
and you're it's clear that Earth is not what they were hoping for. Yeah,
it looks destroyed, and it's it's all that one take, one shot
thing that's just going through all the characters as they're just facing this reality their
faces, Like I feel like, especially Dianna, her face was so like
active, like her face told everything about her reaction to where she was standing,
Like she said not one word, but her face said at all,
acting that bitch is a good actress. M Yeah, it was really good
to see them walking around and each of them absorbing their like take on this
and how it's probably affecting them because before, like for example, Baltime,
he was like standing in his little commune surrounded by his people with their hands
up in the air, praising Jesus or whoever they're one God is Allah,
I don't know um, And then you cut to him in this like big
ass coat, just looking thoroughly as hell. Just like wait, he looked
both just uncomfortable and it's just sad, and I feel like if this would
have been the ending that we got, I would have hated it. Yeah,
I mean that's another thing to talk about, like if it ended here,
like does it does it feel complete? Does the story feel complete?
Yeah? I know it's a downer, but yeah, it's it's done.
Like we we don't know everything, but it's over. Yeah. I feel
like there's probably some loose threads, like we don't know the final cylon and
we were promised it would be revealed in the openings. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean this structure of the episode in the season definitely culminated in this
episode, So yeah, it feels final in that sense. Right. Luckily
things worked out when he got another ten episodes. I also wanted to just
call out Gaeta. He was back to work in the CIC and really struggle
in with his missing limb, and then I don't think he liked the fact
that Dee tried to help him pick something up, like I don't need help.
He feels like he's being treated differently he is because he's disabled. Yeah.
Yeah, that happens when you're disabled and people don't understand that you don't
need help unless you ask for it. I've seen many occasions where somebody will
try to push somebody's wheelchair and it's like, get the get your fucking hands
off of me. I didn't ask to be pushed around. You lose autonomy
when you are not able to do things for yourself. Even if you can
do them, people perceive you as not being able to and I feel like
that takes a toll on you, especially if you're newly disabled, because I
feel like a lot of people like sometimes they grew up with a disability and
they adapt to it a little bit better. But if you're newly disabled,
you've never experienced this kind of second class citizenship that comes with being disabled,
and so you're not used to getting handouts or people feeling pity for you,
or you know, all this shit that comes with disability. And I'm sure
it's very depressing and just hard to deal with. And you can see it
into Felix's mannerisms and attitude, even if it's like a brief like window into
his new life. And I don't know, I feel like Galactica it's probably
not the most accessible place in the world. I mean, we saw the
route that Starbuck took to run through the ship, a lot of ladders.
Yeah, so it's probably very difficult to exist in a place that's not thinking
about people with disabilities. So and you're also one of very few people with
disabilities, like because they probably just keep like injured people in the hospital area
of the ship, and usually most people will heal, you know, and
they'll get better. But he's not going to get better. That leg is
not going to grow back. And that's where he's at. And so I
think it's gonna be a very bitter journey as he tries to struggle through existing
in his new identity. And I hope I can see more because again,
that was just a little eaty beaty window into his life now. And he's
such strong character in my opinion, like, and he has such a big
job and the fact that Ty was like, are you gonna have a problem,
mister Data, And I'm like, you fucking asshole. He came to
work. That means he's here to work, and he said He's like,
no, I'm not. I got no problems. I'm working. Like Yeah.
There's also a moment over on the ba A Star with Laura and Baltar.
I want to call that out too, So yeah, Baltar's thanking her
for not murdering him. He acknowledged that she tried, yeah, and she
doesn't say much. She is shameless. There was no ounce of her that
said, oh my god, I'm so sorry. She's like, you're right.
I wanted to. It wasn't an easy choice not to, but yeah,
I think that's an important moment. And then later, when Dianna is
about to start executing people and Laura's like, I need to go talk to
her, Baltar says he's a better choice to talk to her because he knows
her better and was with her when she saw the final five, and Laura
agrees and lets him go. She's probably well, I thought I read it
as you're right, you go get killed. She's got motherfucker's on the chopping
block. I ain't gonna be next. You go ahead, That's how I
read it. Well, she's seen how Dianna care for Baltar. Yeah.
I also thought it was interesting that after their truce and everything, Andrews,
for example, was just walking around the Memorial Wall area like yaint a fucking
cylon. Yep. I mean, none of them seem to have any security
detail or anything, like they were all down on the planet on Earth.
Yeah. Well a lot of Cylons were there too, though. Yeah,
so, but it was weird to see them on the ship just walking around.
Yeah, Chief Tyrol was just sitting there with his son. They might
have sent him to his room. Yeah, well, I didn't mind seeing
them in their rooms because I'm like, that's more appropriate to like keep them
in their rooms. Maybe they have a guard outside the door or something.
But motherfucking anders just walking around and then running into Starbuck. I thought that
was wild. She's like, remember how I said I would kill you if
I found out you were a Cylon as part of a bedroom talk. Yeah.
I always thought it was really sweet too that they like focused on Cat
for a minute, just like a little hot second, like we made a
kid, because yeah, that was sweet. It's nice that cut's not forgotten,
unlike Billy. No one talks about Billy. We got replaced with a
hot cylon. Yeah, and d you know, she moved on. She
got a dama. Now she's who knows who with whom? Any other thoughts
on this? I can't think of it. Cool? Yeah, well,
solid episode. Astral Queen who was the standout character in the episode. Time
for the Astral Queen? Who's it gonna be? I was stuck between two
silence two Cylons. Yeah, Tori or Tie, And I think I'm gonna
give it to Tie because I like him overall as a character. I really
enjoy how his character development throughout the show has been so common, implicated and
complex. I feel like Tori's still like young character in the series, so
we haven't had too much of that kind of character development with her. We
don't. She's still very guarded in a lot of ways. But Ty is
like burying his soul and I really enjoyed that. Yeah. Ti was one
of the bigger, probably the biggest shock when they revealed the four cylons and
Chief was up there as well, but Tor was kind of like, oh
her, really, that's cool because we don't know that much about her,
but I know she's you know, close to the president. Yeah. This
is a tough one because I like everyone was doing stuff in this episode.
Yeah, and so I'm just trying to think, like, who ultimately kind
of saved the day. Well, it was at Starbuck who got everyone to
stand down and go to Earth together, right, everybody put their guns down.
But it's like she wouldn't have been in that position if Anders and Chief
hadn't called her there, and then Leadama was the one that actually like made
the peace treaty happen. You have to pick one, Jason. I know,
I'm just I'm speaking out loud. How it's all kind of convolution.
Then you also have a Dama who was rolling around on the ground crying,
and that's iconic. That's just enough, you know, to give a motherfucker
a prize. The fact that they didn't win an Emmy is shocking. So
I'm a little torn between Lee and Starbuck. I think I'm leaning towards Liodama,
though he had more lines. She just happened to be there. Yeah,
Like she did have to trust what these cylons were saying, but she
had nothing to lose to check true. Liodama also had to drag his drunken
father across the floor and get like even like it seemed like he had communication
with Laura about how messed up his dad was, because he brought her in
and she tried to talk to Adama and he was still like messed up about
Tie, And when he leaves the room, she's like, you're right,
he's not himself. So yeah, he's trying to help his father. Yep.
So Liadama and Colonel Tie, Colonel tie two white men succeeding in the
world. Good job, guys, against all odds. You did it.
The Astral Queen Awards are coming to you well. And then that brings us
to the end of the main part of the episode. We're gonna go into
this spoiler section in a moment here, but you should know this, since
this is the mid season finale, we're gonna take a few weeks off before
we return for the back half of the season. Yeah, we're honoring the
writer strength. Yes, it's definitely not due to my own burnout. In
the interim though, we're gonna put out an episode that will cover the Battlestar
Galactica web series titled The Face of the Enemy. This web series came out
during the mid season break when it aired, and their web series altogether there's
ten episodes together that's like thirty minutes total, so it's kind of a short
episode. You can find them. That's where it gets a little complicated because
I was researching this. You used to be able to find it all on
YouTube. Now for some reason, you can't get episode ten on YouTube,
the final one of it, because Universal is like pulling it every time someone
tries to put it up there just episode ten. Yeah, it's weird.
So you can watch like the first nine episodes on YouTube. You'll have to
do a little like googling to find the tenth one. You can find it
easily though, if you just type it in, or if you know you
can just read the description. If you want, go on Wikipedia or whatever.
But I do think it's an important story point in the episodes that if
you haven't checked them out before, you should give them a watch. I'm
sorry that is kind of complicated to find them. Things should be accessible,
right, and they're not on the DVD or Blu Ray either, except I
think in Japan. And that's actually a result of the writer's strike and how
things kind of panned out with that. That. Yeah, what because the
writer strike had a lot to do with compensation for like web content and how
residuals are paid from that and stuff, and just the resulted in them not
being able to release it on the DVDs. Oh, I see. I
feel like it's very similar to the writer's strike today. Like I feel like
the union contracts for writers were written back when they had movies in black and
white or something, and so as our technology advances, so quickly, the
contracts are not like reflecting these new technologies and the residuals that they can get
from web or streaming services. So like in two thousand and eight it was
about just like web episodes, and now in two twenty three, we're looking
at streaming services and how you know, you should be compensated for that work.
So it's kind of funny how every like ten years they're going to have
to like pick up the mantle and reassess technologies and be like, hey,
this is not equitable anymore because you guys are making millions and billions of dollars
off of like streaming, and I only get like twelve dollars. You know,
Well they're not really making money off streaming. But I don't want to
sound like I'm signing with the studios, but that's a fact that like everyone's
kind of losing money on streaming. Well where does all the money I pay
for my fucking streaming go to? That? It goes to them. But
they're basically producing so much content to try to win the streaming war so that
like in the long run it will pay off. But yeah, anyway,
Yeah, the the industry has been evolving and the contracts need to be updated
to reflect it. Yeah, um oh so yeah, well web series next,
and then after that will be episode eleven. Sometimes a great notion rights
in this group. Grace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen
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in five four three two one spoiler section. When is that final Cylon gonna
get here? Goddamn it, she's taken her sweet time. I feel like
it's still a few episodes away. And then when are they going to reveal
that baby Nikki is an illegitimate love child, because right now he should be
on par with Hara like this special Cylon baby, and even more special because
he belongs to one of the final five. Yeah, well so it should
be soon. Everything soon, bec there's only ten episodes. But this one
was so good though, like everybody quick getting outed. Yeah, yeah they
don't. That's what trick they get to pull once and they did it well.
I think the next episode or two is like everyone is super depressed and
not finding a purpose until the Admiral manages to rally everyone start looking for a
new place to live, and they keep the alliance together, and that leads
to the tragedy of Felix gaetas Gata is not okay with this alliance and he
teams up with Tom's Eric and they stage an insurrection on the ship, and
we know how those that tend to end up, don't we yell mutiny?
So I think that takes up a good chunk of the final episodes. And
then there's a big rescue mission to rescue Harra, who gets taken by Cavil.
Would you name your kid Harra? I'm probably not, but I'm not
part of their culture. But it sounds like Harry Harra, you know,
like that's like an easy like it doesn't pass the playground test for me.
You're not part of Cures, yes or no question, Jason, you have
to make it political, Okay. Well that's all I got. Yeah.
I mean there's not much to stay. We're just kind of on this last
leg of it. So I'm excited. I'm ready, and I'm really interested
in the episodes. The episodes of focused on Gaeta and some stuff he experienced
during New Caprica and a little bit of a murder mystery. Okay, ready
to space out? All right? Well then that was the episode revelations and
a lot was revealed. We will see you back whenever we pop up again
with the Face of the Enemy. Until then, take care of yourselves.
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