WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:06.639 Welcome to Spacing Out with Bebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four 2 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:17.519 Episode ten Revelations. Welcome back. I'm bb and I'm Jason, and this 3 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:22.359 is Spacing Out towre today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you're new 4 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.280 to the show, welcome, and you should know we're gonna have a spoiler 5 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:29.000 section at the end of the podcast where we are free to discuss future events, 6 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:33.960 but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar 7 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:40.520 Galactica Season four Episode ten Revelations, the mid season finale for season four. 8 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:45.320 It's originally aired on June thirteenth, two thousand and eight. Written by Bradley 9 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:50.039 Thompson and David Weddell, directed by Michael Reimer. The survivor count in this 10 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.960 episode was thirty nine thousand, six hundred and sixty five, which is a 11 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:58.960 loss of eight from last time. In this episode, the Cylon Deanna holds 12 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.960 Rosalind and the other humans aboard that based our hostage and exchange for the four 13 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.040 final five Cylons. Acting President Lea Dama engages in a tenth standoff of the 14 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:11.640 Cylons, Tory Foster joins the Cylons on the base, star assault I confesses 15 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.760 the truth of his identity to add Roll Adama Anders in Chief Tyroll are soon 16 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.319 discovered as well and are used as leverage by Leo Dama, and then Starbuck 17 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.920 discovers a signal from her Viper believed to come from Earth, and Dianna and 18 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.879 Lee form an alliance to find Earth, and the fleet at last arrives at 19 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:34.319 Earth and celebration ensues over The mood changes drastically when the landing party steps onto 20 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:42.040 a desolit radioactive lifeless world. Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? 21 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:47.079 How does it stand the test of time? So on that note, 22 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:51.760 how'd you like this episode? I really liked it. It was so good. 23 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.480 It was so good. It was so many things finally happening. Yeah. 24 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.920 It is like the release of a lot of build up that's been happening. 25 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.560 Yeah. Yeah, So I really enjoyed this episode. Yeah, and 26 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.040 you almost. You don't expect like all of it to come pouring out. 27 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:08.840 No. If I thought it was well, I was gonna ask, like, 28 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:14.039 is this episode longer than a regular episode? No, it wasn't. 29 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:15.800 I checked it looked like it was maybe like a minute longer, which is 30 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:20.479 weird, but it felt longer, like it felt long to meet, like 31 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.719 I thought maybe because it was the mid season finale that they got like a 32 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:29.039 little extra time. No, it wasn't. Normally there are like a number 33 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.840 of extended episodes coming up. This one it's not one of them, Okay, 34 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:35.840 So yeah, oh yeah, So it's a good one. Definitely, 35 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.719 like just full of excitement, twist and turns, definitely has that finale vibe 36 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:49.159 to it. Trivia time, what facts could we uncover for revelations? So 37 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.800 this was the last episode filmed prior to the two thousand and seven two thousand 38 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.879 and eight Writers Guild of America strike strike classes for one hundred days and delayed 39 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.039 production on the second half of the season. There's a chance that the strike 40 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.599 would cause the show to be canceled, making this episode the series finale, 41 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.120 and the episode was intentionally written in a way that it could serve as a 42 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:13.879 finale if that was necessary. I did find some kind of contradictory information that 43 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.759 they might have shot the next episode, episode eleven, prior to shutting down, 44 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:21.639 But either way, if the show was canceled, this was going to 45 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.879 be the finale. So there's a scene shot where Tori unleashes a lot more 46 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.319 fury and a confrontation with Roslin and she reveals herself to her, which I 47 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:35.159 kind of wanted to see. Yeah, I really enjoyed when she said you 48 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.599 don't give orders, I was like, give me some more things. Yeah, 49 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:40.719 because Rosin was like, oh, you're asylum. I can use this 50 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:46.080 to my advantage. For the arrival at Earth, composer bar McCreary composed the 51 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:52.719 piece titled Diaspora Oratorio. He also wrote the lyrics, which was then translated 52 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:57.080 into Latin for one scene and Samoan for another. Yeah. I don't know 53 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.719 why, but didn't want it to be in English. The scene on Earth 54 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:05.039 was shot on Centennial Beach in British Columbia. Where's British Columbia, Canada? 55 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:10.879 Oh okay, that kind of sucks for you, Canada. I've chosen as 56 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.120 a desolate, dead place. Well they shoot the show there too, so 57 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:24.879 oh deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode. 58 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.319 You can share your thoughts with us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. 59 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.680 We may use your comments on an upcoming episode. All right, where 60 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:39.000 do we start Diana is a badass in this. Yeah, she's like just 61 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.920 woke up from her nap and she's taking control of the situation. She's like, 62 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:46.639 I'm fucking taking hostages. I have a plan, and I want the 63 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.079 Final five. I want the Final four because she knows that the Final five 64 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:54.560 aren't there, because she thinks that the well, I won't say Sae, 65 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.920 that's for spoilers, but she knows who the final the final four are on 66 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.040 the fleet, and she wants them to come to the Cylon base ship. 67 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.959 And I thought it was really sneaky how Tory decided to take herself out. 68 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.839 Yeah. Yeah, her method of getting on there was Laura needs her pills, 69 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.040 y'all. Like you could have just grabbed the pills and handed them to 70 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.800 Diana, but like, here's her pills, goodbye. No, She's like, 71 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.680 I'm no one to take care of the president. I've been with her 72 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:26.519 for the last twelve years or whatever. Saltis like, no, we can't 73 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.160 say anything. Yeah. Plus, it's Tory's choice, Like if she wants 74 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.480 to go with the Cylons where she's going to be treated better than that's her 75 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:39.120 choice. Yeah, but they're not one hundred percent sure that Dana actually knows 76 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.399 who they are, but they know Tori knows. Yeah, yeah, But 77 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.319 my question is kind of like, how does Danna's plan actually work? Like 78 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:48.720 how's it supposed to work? Because they say, like, don't interfere with 79 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:53.560 the shuttle traffic so that the cylons can go to the base star if they 80 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.800 want, right, But so like, say, like the Chief wanted to 81 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:00.319 go, does he find a pilot and ask him to take him to the 82 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.800 bass Star. And I feel like the Chief knows how to handle a fly, 83 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.199 like if he had to, he could fly a ship. I guess 84 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:11.079 he is a chief, Like he is a person who knows how to build 85 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.319 one of these birds from scratch, So I'm sure if he had to, 86 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:17.439 he could totally fly one. And I feel like the same thing for the 87 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:23.000 Colonel Tie and Oders is obviously a nugget, so okay, I guess that's 88 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:27.040 fair. The only one who would have trouble would be fucking Tory, and 89 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:31.279 she caught a ride. Yeah, so I could totally see either any of 90 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.319 them. Besides Tory being able to fly their own plane, they could steal 91 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:39.360 three ships if they wanted to. But if it was Tory, she would 92 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.240 have had to ask someone for a ride and pretend like she wasn't going. 93 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.000 She literally has to out herself or ask one of the other Cylons to take 94 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.120 go with her. But she saw her ride and she's like, I'm going. 95 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.639 I gotta take her heads. It's really important. She's gonna die, 96 00:06:54.680 --> 00:07:00.240 y'all. And it was really iconic when Tory did finally meet Laura on the 97 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.560 ship and she was like, yeah, I'm one of them. You can't 98 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:08.240 tell me what to do anymore. I'm the final five, I'm the elite 99 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:12.360 Cylon class and I'm with my people. And I think that really, like 100 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.600 I feel like it made her feel worthy or something like, because I don't 101 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:21.560 know, I feel like back on the Battlestar, she didn't really have a 102 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:30.040 real purpose besides serving mothers being an aid to humans. And after she started 103 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.079 hanging out with Gias, Laura treated her really poorly, and I feel like 104 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:40.040 she really valued that relationship, and after Laura was like really nasty to her, 105 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.879 she probably just didn't see a point in like, why the fuck am 106 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.199 I helping these people? Yeah, I agree. I think the way she 107 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:51.800 was treated by Rosalind it really took away like some of the purpose she had 108 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.680 in her job in that role of serving the president. And yeah, I 109 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.959 thought Leah Dama was pretty strong in this episode. Two. Yeah, it's 110 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.319 gonna mention so. Starbuck at the beginning tells Lee that Leoben said to her, 111 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.519 for children to reach their full potential, their parents have to die, 112 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.319 which, first of all, fucking Lee open, that's a terrible thing to 113 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.199 say, right, But also, I mean, the admiral doesn't literally die, 114 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.319 but figuratively he becomes very incapacitated. Leodama really steps up to this leadership 115 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.439 role and ends up brokering a piece deal with the Cylons, which I don't 116 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.480 think if Admiral Adama was involved that that would have happened. I don't know 117 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.000 that he would have stepped down from a standoff like that. We also get 118 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:43.200 to see Adama just shit face MESSI Yeah, he loses it, like we've 119 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.200 seen him drunk before, but not like this. No, Like he was 120 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.240 probably about to shoot his pants in that bathroom. He was so fucked up. 121 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.159 And the reason he was fucked up is because Colonel Tie made a very 122 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.320 bold decision once he saw Tory was gone and that we're going to lose people 123 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.399 from their fleet. He's like some of our guys are on that ship. 124 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:09.519 And he really hated the fact that Adama was like ready to kill everybody to 125 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.000 like to do what. I don't know because if they if he kills everybody 126 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.000 on the Cylon base ship, they still don't know who the fuck the Cylons 127 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.200 are, and they won't like if those Cylons choose not to they will never 128 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.440 find Earth. So like, to what end do you destroy that ship? 129 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.919 It makes no sense, But he's ready because Laura said to do it, 130 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.080 because they always want the upper hand. Well, because even if they can't 131 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.720 find Earth through the Cylons, they don't want the Cylons to find her. 132 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.399 But that's not all the Cylons, that's only half of them. They're in 133 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.159 a civil war, and they're the ones that are trying to have like some 134 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:50.080 sort of relationship with you, you idiots. And so I think it's the 135 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.399 plan is terrible, and it gets worse. But Colonel Tie, being the 136 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.879 military mind that he is, comes up and he says, listen, Bill, 137 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.320 I should have told you shit. I should have done it myself and 138 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.200 thrown myself out the airlock and then we wouldn't be in this mess. But 139 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.840 I am one of the final five and you can use that to your advantage. 140 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.919 And Bill Adama was like, the fuck are you talking about? When 141 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.320 I met you you had hair? How dare you even joke about this? 142 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.559 And then he realizes it's not a joke. And we don't really see what 143 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:31.039 happens right away. We see the aftermath of Colonel Tie being in custody and 144 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:37.919 Adama being, well, just like dealing with this knowledge in a very terrible 145 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.559 way. Yeah, well, I think it's also he's dealing with this knowledge, 146 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:46.879 but also he's supposed to kill his best friend and his best friend too. 147 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.159 Yeah, and because he sends Tie to the airlock and he doesn't naked 148 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.679 there himself. Yeah, and how do you deal with that, like your 149 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.440 best friend for many years, your right hand man. I feel like I 150 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.799 don't know if I would drink myself, but I would definitely, like be 151 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.840 very upset. I would definitely be crying and be upset about it. And 152 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:11.080 I think it's really powerful to see Lee Leadama step up in that and be 153 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.799 like, Dad, it's okay. He was holding him and consoling him, 154 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:18.000 and he's like, you know, we were all fooled. None of us 155 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.440 knew with his record and all the things he's done on New Caprica, like 156 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:28.320 he was part of the resistance against the Cylons. They even mentioned his eye 157 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:35.000 honorable mention for body parts lost to the resistance and that like even Odama was 158 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.759 like, Nah, they fucked you up. They like when you were in 159 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:43.279 captivity, they hypnotized you. They they made you believe that you're a Cylon. 160 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.519 And he's like, no, Bill, I'm a Cylon and you need 161 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.639 to use this. And I think it's so noble for Tide to do that 162 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.960 like that. Just to me, it shows where his alliances and where it 163 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.879 will always be, but potentially like with this ship, because he cares so 164 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.519 much about these humans even though he's a Cylon, and I really admire that 165 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.159 in this character. Yeah, that's kind of how he's been since he found 166 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.840 out. He's like, you know, I'm still SALTI XO of this ship. 167 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:18.000 Yeah, and even in this episode, he's calling himself a coward for 168 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:24.720 not coming forward sooner, right, and then he even out his other Cylon 169 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:30.679 buddies as they're like gathering like a moth to a flame to that weird viper 170 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.279 that was didn't have a scratch on it after it exploded mysteriously. Yeah, 171 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.039 yeah, so we get the return of the Watchtower song to draw them all 172 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.039 together one more time at the viper, and the guys aren't smart enough to 173 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.559 figure it out, but they get Starbuck in there. They're like, hey, 174 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:52.480 you really need to look at that viper because we're under arrest, and 175 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.440 also your husband's a cylon. Yeah look yeah, anders Is like it's true. 176 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.960 Did I do that? Honestly? Like, wasn't sure how Starbuck was 177 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.480 going to react in that moment, and like, is she going to like 178 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:13.559 snap and punch him because she hates cylons. Yeah, and she's like coming 179 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.759 warming up to them because of the way that she and newly Leoben were in 180 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.320 that room looking at the charts and shit, I was a little too close 181 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.840 for comfort. Yeah, looking at charts, that's what they're doing. So 182 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.720 maybe she's warm. She's literally warming up to the cylons. But thankfully she 183 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:37.559 figures out that the ship's navigation is finally pointing to Earth, and the scenes 184 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.720 of her running through Galactica, if you put like the Benny Hill music behind 185 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.080 it, it is so hilarious, didn't it think she was just running so 186 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.480 funny? Balactica never seemed as big as when she had to make that run 187 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:58.279 from it. Yeah, and so as Lea Dama was ready to push a 188 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:03.639 tie out of the airlock, she runs in just in the nick of time 189 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.399 and tells them, no, these damn cylons just gave us Earth. And 190 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.320 based on the ending, I feel like they counted their eggs before they hatched. 191 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.879 Yeah, Adama's like, we gotta go all in roll the hard six, 192 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.360 no recon nothing, We're all going down to the surface together. We're 193 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:28.200 gonna go breathe this air, touch this fucking radioactive soil with my bare hands. 194 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:35.679 Yep, Jesus. And then like the contrast between when they make that 195 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.200 final jump, Gata says like this is it. The planet's a match, 196 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.679 and like Adama gives that speech and it's really emotional, and the celebrations throughout 197 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.840 the ship fucking Liadama makes an ass of himself. Leadama's stripping off his jacket 198 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:54.279 like he just jumping on tables. He just won the championship. And they 199 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.960 get shots like throughout the fleet in this they're like in the refinery and stuff. 200 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.879 If they're they're in Colonel ties private quarters. Yeah, some of them 201 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.440 are very lonely in this moment. And yeah, just people reacting differently, 202 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.240 and it goes from that very emotional high to just like the bottom drops out 203 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.440 and you're it's clear that Earth is not what they were hoping for. Yeah, 204 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.799 it looks destroyed, and it's it's all that one take, one shot 205 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.399 thing that's just going through all the characters as they're just facing this reality their 206 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.840 faces, Like I feel like, especially Dianna, her face was so like 207 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:37.919 active, like her face told everything about her reaction to where she was standing, 208 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.120 Like she said not one word, but her face said at all, 209 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.679 acting that bitch is a good actress. M Yeah, it was really good 210 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:52.200 to see them walking around and each of them absorbing their like take on this 211 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:58.960 and how it's probably affecting them because before, like for example, Baltime, 212 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:06.840 he was like standing in his little commune surrounded by his people with their hands 213 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:11.879 up in the air, praising Jesus or whoever they're one God is Allah, 214 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:18.360 I don't know um, And then you cut to him in this like big 215 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:25.360 ass coat, just looking thoroughly as hell. Just like wait, he looked 216 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.519 both just uncomfortable and it's just sad, and I feel like if this would 217 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.519 have been the ending that we got, I would have hated it. Yeah, 218 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.360 I mean that's another thing to talk about, like if it ended here, 219 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.159 like does it does it feel complete? Does the story feel complete? 220 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.279 Yeah? I know it's a downer, but yeah, it's it's done. 221 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.080 Like we we don't know everything, but it's over. Yeah. I feel 222 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:55.240 like there's probably some loose threads, like we don't know the final cylon and 223 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.360 we were promised it would be revealed in the openings. Yeah, but yeah, 224 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.000 I mean this structure of the episode in the season definitely culminated in this 225 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:08.240 episode, So yeah, it feels final in that sense. Right. Luckily 226 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:14.519 things worked out when he got another ten episodes. I also wanted to just 227 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.720 call out Gaeta. He was back to work in the CIC and really struggle 228 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.440 in with his missing limb, and then I don't think he liked the fact 229 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.240 that Dee tried to help him pick something up, like I don't need help. 230 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.200 He feels like he's being treated differently he is because he's disabled. Yeah. 231 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.880 Yeah, that happens when you're disabled and people don't understand that you don't 232 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.880 need help unless you ask for it. I've seen many occasions where somebody will 233 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:42.599 try to push somebody's wheelchair and it's like, get the get your fucking hands 234 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.519 off of me. I didn't ask to be pushed around. You lose autonomy 235 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:52.000 when you are not able to do things for yourself. Even if you can 236 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.319 do them, people perceive you as not being able to and I feel like 237 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.960 that takes a toll on you, especially if you're newly disabled, because I 238 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.519 feel like a lot of people like sometimes they grew up with a disability and 239 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.920 they adapt to it a little bit better. But if you're newly disabled, 240 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:15.240 you've never experienced this kind of second class citizenship that comes with being disabled, 241 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:21.279 and so you're not used to getting handouts or people feeling pity for you, 242 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:26.480 or you know, all this shit that comes with disability. And I'm sure 243 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.880 it's very depressing and just hard to deal with. And you can see it 244 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:37.400 into Felix's mannerisms and attitude, even if it's like a brief like window into 245 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:42.559 his new life. And I don't know, I feel like Galactica it's probably 246 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:48.119 not the most accessible place in the world. I mean, we saw the 247 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.759 route that Starbuck took to run through the ship, a lot of ladders. 248 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:57.119 Yeah, so it's probably very difficult to exist in a place that's not thinking 249 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.400 about people with disabilities. So and you're also one of very few people with 250 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:11.640 disabilities, like because they probably just keep like injured people in the hospital area 251 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.200 of the ship, and usually most people will heal, you know, and 252 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.559 they'll get better. But he's not going to get better. That leg is 253 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.240 not going to grow back. And that's where he's at. And so I 254 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:29.640 think it's gonna be a very bitter journey as he tries to struggle through existing 255 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.000 in his new identity. And I hope I can see more because again, 256 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.759 that was just a little eaty beaty window into his life now. And he's 257 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.680 such strong character in my opinion, like, and he has such a big 258 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.799 job and the fact that Ty was like, are you gonna have a problem, 259 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.680 mister Data, And I'm like, you fucking asshole. He came to 260 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.039 work. That means he's here to work, and he said He's like, 261 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:57.160 no, I'm not. I got no problems. I'm working. Like Yeah. 262 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.720 There's also a moment over on the ba A Star with Laura and Baltar. 263 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:06.240 I want to call that out too, So yeah, Baltar's thanking her 264 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.599 for not murdering him. He acknowledged that she tried, yeah, and she 265 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.920 doesn't say much. She is shameless. There was no ounce of her that 266 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.000 said, oh my god, I'm so sorry. She's like, you're right. 267 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.559 I wanted to. It wasn't an easy choice not to, but yeah, 268 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.279 I think that's an important moment. And then later, when Dianna is 269 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.720 about to start executing people and Laura's like, I need to go talk to 270 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.279 her, Baltar says he's a better choice to talk to her because he knows 271 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:37.480 her better and was with her when she saw the final five, and Laura 272 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.440 agrees and lets him go. She's probably well, I thought I read it 273 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:51.279 as you're right, you go get killed. She's got motherfucker's on the chopping 274 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:56.720 block. I ain't gonna be next. You go ahead, That's how I 275 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:03.839 read it. Well, she's seen how Dianna care for Baltar. Yeah. 276 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:08.839 I also thought it was interesting that after their truce and everything, Andrews, 277 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:15.759 for example, was just walking around the Memorial Wall area like yaint a fucking 278 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.920 cylon. Yep. I mean, none of them seem to have any security 279 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.720 detail or anything, like they were all down on the planet on Earth. 280 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.039 Yeah. Well a lot of Cylons were there too, though. Yeah, 281 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:30.960 so, but it was weird to see them on the ship just walking around. 282 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.160 Yeah, Chief Tyrol was just sitting there with his son. They might 283 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.640 have sent him to his room. Yeah, well, I didn't mind seeing 284 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.039 them in their rooms because I'm like, that's more appropriate to like keep them 285 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.880 in their rooms. Maybe they have a guard outside the door or something. 286 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.200 But motherfucking anders just walking around and then running into Starbuck. I thought that 287 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.279 was wild. She's like, remember how I said I would kill you if 288 00:21:52.319 --> 00:22:00.279 I found out you were a Cylon as part of a bedroom talk. Yeah. 289 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.799 I always thought it was really sweet too that they like focused on Cat 290 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.319 for a minute, just like a little hot second, like we made a 291 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.279 kid, because yeah, that was sweet. It's nice that cut's not forgotten, 292 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:17.000 unlike Billy. No one talks about Billy. We got replaced with a 293 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:21.200 hot cylon. Yeah, and d you know, she moved on. She 294 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:26.720 got a dama. Now she's who knows who with whom? Any other thoughts 295 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.119 on this? I can't think of it. Cool? Yeah, well, 296 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:40.279 solid episode. Astral Queen who was the standout character in the episode. Time 297 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:45.519 for the Astral Queen? Who's it gonna be? I was stuck between two 298 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.200 silence two Cylons. Yeah, Tori or Tie, And I think I'm gonna 299 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.119 give it to Tie because I like him overall as a character. I really 300 00:22:53.240 --> 00:23:00.759 enjoy how his character development throughout the show has been so common, implicated and 301 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:04.680 complex. I feel like Tori's still like young character in the series, so 302 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.920 we haven't had too much of that kind of character development with her. We 303 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:14.160 don't. She's still very guarded in a lot of ways. But Ty is 304 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.880 like burying his soul and I really enjoyed that. Yeah. Ti was one 305 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.359 of the bigger, probably the biggest shock when they revealed the four cylons and 306 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.799 Chief was up there as well, but Tor was kind of like, oh 307 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:27.440 her, really, that's cool because we don't know that much about her, 308 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:32.079 but I know she's you know, close to the president. Yeah. This 309 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:36.359 is a tough one because I like everyone was doing stuff in this episode. 310 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:40.200 Yeah, and so I'm just trying to think, like, who ultimately kind 311 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:44.119 of saved the day. Well, it was at Starbuck who got everyone to 312 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.039 stand down and go to Earth together, right, everybody put their guns down. 313 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.039 But it's like she wouldn't have been in that position if Anders and Chief 314 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.559 hadn't called her there, and then Leadama was the one that actually like made 315 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.559 the peace treaty happen. You have to pick one, Jason. I know, 316 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.640 I'm just I'm speaking out loud. How it's all kind of convolution. 317 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.559 Then you also have a Dama who was rolling around on the ground crying, 318 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.400 and that's iconic. That's just enough, you know, to give a motherfucker 319 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.839 a prize. The fact that they didn't win an Emmy is shocking. So 320 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.759 I'm a little torn between Lee and Starbuck. I think I'm leaning towards Liodama, 321 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.759 though he had more lines. She just happened to be there. Yeah, 322 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:29.200 Like she did have to trust what these cylons were saying, but she 323 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:33.559 had nothing to lose to check true. Liodama also had to drag his drunken 324 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:38.839 father across the floor and get like even like it seemed like he had communication 325 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:44.160 with Laura about how messed up his dad was, because he brought her in 326 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.640 and she tried to talk to Adama and he was still like messed up about 327 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.759 Tie, And when he leaves the room, she's like, you're right, 328 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.279 he's not himself. So yeah, he's trying to help his father. Yep. 329 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:03.839 So Liadama and Colonel Tie, Colonel tie two white men succeeding in the 330 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.759 world. Good job, guys, against all odds. You did it. 331 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.559 The Astral Queen Awards are coming to you well. And then that brings us 332 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.680 to the end of the main part of the episode. We're gonna go into 333 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.680 this spoiler section in a moment here, but you should know this, since 334 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.799 this is the mid season finale, we're gonna take a few weeks off before 335 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.720 we return for the back half of the season. Yeah, we're honoring the 336 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:33.039 writer strength. Yes, it's definitely not due to my own burnout. In 337 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.079 the interim though, we're gonna put out an episode that will cover the Battlestar 338 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:42.160 Galactica web series titled The Face of the Enemy. This web series came out 339 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:48.200 during the mid season break when it aired, and their web series altogether there's 340 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.720 ten episodes together that's like thirty minutes total, so it's kind of a short 341 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:55.480 episode. You can find them. That's where it gets a little complicated because 342 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.480 I was researching this. You used to be able to find it all on 343 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:03.200 YouTube. Now for some reason, you can't get episode ten on YouTube, 344 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.559 the final one of it, because Universal is like pulling it every time someone 345 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.440 tries to put it up there just episode ten. Yeah, it's weird. 346 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.160 So you can watch like the first nine episodes on YouTube. You'll have to 347 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.440 do a little like googling to find the tenth one. You can find it 348 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.119 easily though, if you just type it in, or if you know you 349 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.640 can just read the description. If you want, go on Wikipedia or whatever. 350 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.960 But I do think it's an important story point in the episodes that if 351 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.039 you haven't checked them out before, you should give them a watch. I'm 352 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.480 sorry that is kind of complicated to find them. Things should be accessible, 353 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:42.839 right, and they're not on the DVD or Blu Ray either, except I 354 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.640 think in Japan. And that's actually a result of the writer's strike and how 355 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.400 things kind of panned out with that. That. Yeah, what because the 356 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:57.000 writer strike had a lot to do with compensation for like web content and how 357 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.880 residuals are paid from that and stuff, and just the resulted in them not 358 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.559 being able to release it on the DVDs. Oh, I see. I 359 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.039 feel like it's very similar to the writer's strike today. Like I feel like 360 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:14.960 the union contracts for writers were written back when they had movies in black and 361 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:21.519 white or something, and so as our technology advances, so quickly, the 362 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:26.279 contracts are not like reflecting these new technologies and the residuals that they can get 363 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:33.039 from web or streaming services. So like in two thousand and eight it was 364 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:40.039 about just like web episodes, and now in two twenty three, we're looking 365 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:45.519 at streaming services and how you know, you should be compensated for that work. 366 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.680 So it's kind of funny how every like ten years they're going to have 367 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.240 to like pick up the mantle and reassess technologies and be like, hey, 368 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:59.799 this is not equitable anymore because you guys are making millions and billions of dollars 369 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:06.759 off of like streaming, and I only get like twelve dollars. You know, 370 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:08.920 Well they're not really making money off streaming. But I don't want to 371 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.640 sound like I'm signing with the studios, but that's a fact that like everyone's 372 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:17.279 kind of losing money on streaming. Well where does all the money I pay 373 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.279 for my fucking streaming go to? That? It goes to them. But 374 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:25.400 they're basically producing so much content to try to win the streaming war so that 375 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.319 like in the long run it will pay off. But yeah, anyway, 376 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:33.039 Yeah, the the industry has been evolving and the contracts need to be updated 377 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.079 to reflect it. Yeah, um oh so yeah, well web series next, 378 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:44.519 and then after that will be episode eleven. Sometimes a great notion rights 379 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:52.240 in this group. Grace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen 380 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:57.240 the whole series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember you can 381 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:03.400 contact us at spacing out PA at gmail dot com, find us on Facebook 382 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.599 and Twitter, share your thoughts and be a part of the discussion. Spoilers 383 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:15.319 in five four three two one spoiler section. When is that final Cylon gonna 384 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:21.400 get here? Goddamn it, she's taken her sweet time. I feel like 385 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.839 it's still a few episodes away. And then when are they going to reveal 386 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:30.279 that baby Nikki is an illegitimate love child, because right now he should be 387 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.680 on par with Hara like this special Cylon baby, and even more special because 388 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.880 he belongs to one of the final five. Yeah, well so it should 389 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.240 be soon. Everything soon, bec there's only ten episodes. But this one 390 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.319 was so good though, like everybody quick getting outed. Yeah, yeah they 391 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.640 don't. That's what trick they get to pull once and they did it well. 392 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:55.000 I think the next episode or two is like everyone is super depressed and 393 00:29:55.480 --> 00:30:00.160 not finding a purpose until the Admiral manages to rally everyone start looking for a 394 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:06.279 new place to live, and they keep the alliance together, and that leads 395 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:11.079 to the tragedy of Felix gaetas Gata is not okay with this alliance and he 396 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.160 teams up with Tom's Eric and they stage an insurrection on the ship, and 397 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.519 we know how those that tend to end up, don't we yell mutiny? 398 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.079 So I think that takes up a good chunk of the final episodes. And 399 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:30.079 then there's a big rescue mission to rescue Harra, who gets taken by Cavil. 400 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.160 Would you name your kid Harra? I'm probably not, but I'm not 401 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.759 part of their culture. But it sounds like Harry Harra, you know, 402 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.440 like that's like an easy like it doesn't pass the playground test for me. 403 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:47.200 You're not part of Cures, yes or no question, Jason, you have 404 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.000 to make it political, Okay. Well that's all I got. Yeah. 405 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.720 I mean there's not much to stay. We're just kind of on this last 406 00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:00.599 leg of it. So I'm excited. I'm ready, and I'm really interested 407 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:06.880 in the episodes. The episodes of focused on Gaeta and some stuff he experienced 408 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.279 during New Caprica and a little bit of a murder mystery. Okay, ready 409 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.240 to space out? All right? Well then that was the episode revelations and 410 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.480 a lot was revealed. We will see you back whenever we pop up again 411 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.319 with the Face of the Enemy. Until then, take care of yourselves. 412 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.519 I guess, keep it classy, Seattle or what it's crazier say at the 413 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:33.799 end of his I'm listening, I don't know. Toss salads and scrambled eggs. 414 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:41.119 You like to toss salad? That nasty ass? Who are let's see 415 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.359 all goodbye? Thank you for spacing out with Boebe and Jason. You can 416 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:51.319 help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive rating or review. 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