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M m m m. It's the
Internet. You're busy, Let's do this.

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Welcome to the Game mess Decides Podcast. This is the podcast where we

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decide everything about the world of games, so you never have to think for

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yourself. I'm your host, Jeff
Grub With me is Mike Manati and Sean

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Turbo, Sean McDowell, and we
are going to do a special episode for

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multiple reasons. For one, Starfield's
coming out. Another reason is probably when

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you're listening to this, I'm on
an airplane. Maybe maybe we're Mike and

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me are both on the same airplane. Airplane that's yeah, that's risky,

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right, that's they don't let the
president vice president on the same airplane.

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But oh wow, we're gonna roll
the dice. Yeah, we're gonna we're

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gonna take our chances. We're going
to packs and so we have a lot

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happening. So we're recording this.
Actually we just did Lass than ten Dogs.

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We're going right into this and we're
gonna talk about our thoughts on Starfield,

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and that's mostly going to be the
show. Sean says he's got a

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game from Benji Bob. We're gonna
do that as well. Becau it's Starfield

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related. We'll get to that here
in a little bit. But with this,

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you know, special episode of mine, I say, we just hop

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right into it and start talking about
Starfield. This game is it's been a

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long time coming because the game studios. Yeah, sure, they worked on

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Fallout seventy six. Really their last
game was Fallout four and that was quite

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some time ago. A lot of
anticipation here. Obviously, it's also now

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a first party studio Microsoft, so
a lot of expectations have been amped up

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even more. And now it's here, and I will say that I am

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enjoying it a lot. It is
a very good game. A lot of

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times I think it's a you know, the more I play it, the

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more it's becoming a great game.
I'm really enjoying. That's where I'm where

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I am. I kind of want
to get everyone's general take. Let's start

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with you, Mike, Like,
how are you feeling overall? Yeah?

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You know, I think when you
start this game, it's it can be

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easy to be a little whelmed at
first because it can feel a little bit,

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oh, this is far Craft for
a far Craft, this is four

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different games together there incredible, incredible, This is like the fifth thing I've

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done today on baby. This is
like Soldier seventy six. Yeah, it

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feels like Fallout four in space,
which I think is kind of strong way.

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Yes, it definitely can't feel like
that first, and you know,

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like fall fours on a terrible game. It's a game I had issues with.

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But even aside from that, if
All four was great, like you

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said, it's been a long time. There's been a lot of fight here.

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There's been a lot of kind of
hopes and dreams about what this game

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can be, and early on you
kind of run against some stuff that maybe

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doesn't feel great, like sort of
wonky quick traveling and also quick traveling maybe

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being so convenient that you're not in
your ship as maybe as much as you

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think you would be. At certain
points, you're doing a lot of like

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fast travel to this place to talk
to one person would kill a few people,

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that fast travel back to the quest, give returned the quest, and

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blah blah blah. But you said, as the game keeps going, and

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I'm not saying, oh it takes
twenty hours for the game to get good,

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it's still the game is still fun
and you're constantly discovering new things.

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But the deep you get into it, and I am at like that twenty

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hour mark, and I am certainly
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is becoming really interesting, This is
becoming hard to put down, just because

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I really am now at this place
where there is just so much I could

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be doing, so many different things
I could be doing where it's easy to

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get to a point where I am
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right or I'm working on a very
specific quest line that I am particularly enjoying

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at that moment. Yep, how
about you, Sean, how are you

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finding now? So I'm coming at
from interesting perspective because I'm not a big

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Bethesda RPG kind of guy. When
it comes to RPGs, I do prefer

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like more grpgs and similar games.
So going into it, I didn't I

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didn't know what to expect because I
guess I don't know the language of Bethesda

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as much like Capcom design language.
Is that a similar everyone's favorite around here,

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of course? But I will say
a game that I loved in the

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past couple of years was let Me
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The Outer Worlds, which was very
fun. And I know that you know

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that's Absidian, that's more of their
flavor overall. But you know, in

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the family the Fall New Vegasy style, so Starfield, I was just hoping

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that we capture some of that,
and I do find that, uh,

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you know, I think we'll get
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will say, I think I'm maybe
I'm looking for a more forts the horizon

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and maybe this is a little more
forts a motorsports, which is maybe a

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sticking point for me a bit.
But that's that's necessarily a slight on the

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game. It's more of like where
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have played and coming from this perspective, I do still find it interesting.

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I'm not as far as Mike is. Jeff, did you say how far

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and you are approximately? Yeah,
I think I was probably about twenty five

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thirty a showers and then I and
then I lost about three hours due to

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a bug and we'll talk about bugs
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that, but yeah, that's where
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of momentum at that point. But
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I'm like a dozen ish hours and
so I'm still sort of like still figuring

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out what we're doing, what you
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up with in order to get the
plot rolling stuff. But I I've kind

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of just been exploring and taking my
time and taking my time with it and

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sort of letting myself go with the
game and sort of giving into it a

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little bit saying like, Okay,
this is how you want to do it.

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Okay, I can work with you
on this. I have been overall

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enjoying my time with it, and
yeah it's it hasn't nothing's like beat me

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down and the way that it seemed
like something might do for you. Yes,

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yeah, so yeah, you know
it's just all talk boy that road.

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So I had a pretty bad bug
The game is pretty buggy still.

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It's a Bethesta game and it feels
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I think that the reports of it
being the least buggy Bethesta release ever might

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be true, but that your mileage
is going to vary if you have something

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like happened to me where I could
not land on. Back on Jim Jimmison,

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which is the main planet in the
Offhae Centory system, which is basically

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the hub world. The lodge is
there that's the home of Constellation, the

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ming story group that you're a part
of. Yes, New Atlantis is a

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city, and so I basically I
talked to Bethesta about this and they were

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recommended a couple of things, and
we tried it, and then they updated

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the game with like this specific bug
happening in mind where when you come to

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a system like Alpha Centauri, they
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your ship, and that was not
happening, and so because that wasn't happening,

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I wasn't clear to land, and
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But either way, it's like I
needed to go there to continue the

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main quest, and so I was
just straight up stuck. My only option

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was to go to an older save, and in the process of trying to

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fix this, all my auto saves
have been overwritten. So my Lance manual

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save was like three hours back,
and that was that was really discouraging.

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That was really rough. I do
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specific thing is fixed for other people
now going forward, but I think other

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people are probably gonna encounter stuff like
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game breaking bugs. I've had like
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with that. Yes, yeah,
well but like you know, I've had

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the game crash once whatever. But
I did cringe a little bit when I

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see things like this is the least
buggy, but that's the game because there's

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I don't know, it still seems
kind of like one of those like I'm

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still walking onto my ship and there's
just a person who half of their body

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is in the ground kind of a
thing like I'm blanding on a planet and

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for some reason like perfectly lined up
with my planet is some like deposing NPC

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model. It's just kind of stuck
with the geometry of my ship in some

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weird way. There's still a lot
of these, you know, an object

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just kind of spinning around because it's
got blonky physics at that moment, and

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you know, it's some of the
suck I hear some people call like the

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bethesta jake and they say they like
it. I'm not saying like it's driving

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crazy, but it's definitely not adding
to my experience that I would definitely be

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happier with it. Honestly. The
stuff that bothers me even more. I

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don't know if you call it bugs, but it's still some of that Bethesa

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jake in other ways, where like
you're talking to a character like an EPC

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conversation, and like the other characters
will still like come up and say they're

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like, oh, I see you, dialogues like how are they not?

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Why is this still happening? Or
they're walking in the background, they're just

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bumping into the NBC that you're talking
to you. They look like the TikTok

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NPC memes exactly. It's the TikTok
NPC memes that I guess there was appartments

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like, Oh, we're gonna move
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Well, I think the truth here
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Bethesta hasn't moved on from what the
fundamental Bethesa gamemaking tech was, like this

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like fall Out in Space. Yeah, and it's still like that same engine

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essentially. Obviously they made a lot
of improvements. It's creation engine at one

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one point called Great Gamebryo. It's
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It still has all those things you're
going to be familiar with. They're

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still here, and I do think
for this game maybe a little bit more

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immersion immersion breaking than it has been
for me in the past. So it's

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like, you know, I will
be on my ship and one of the

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characters will just be standing on top
of the ship when we're going into space,

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and it's like, that's a little
bit tougher for me to accept them,

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like something like weird happening in some
medieval fantasy realm, because this is

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supposed to be NASA punk, right, This is not even Star Wars space

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fantasy. This is not even like
Mass Effect. Now, there's obviously gonna

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be some elements we've seen in trailers
where you might get some stuff that makes

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it feel that way, but overall, the thing that the vibes that they're

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going for is hard sci fi,
so it does bring the vibe down a

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little bit, But overall, I
think most of the main big game components

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work really well for me. In
terms of shooting, in terms of these

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quest lines all that's I mean,
the combat itself is the best that they've

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ever done, So they have made
some big improvements to how these Bethesta games

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work. Yeah, the shooting does
feel better. That part it is as

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advertised, like, it's not going
to slowly feel like you're playing do maternal

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but that's a pretty market improvement over
say a fall Out experience. And I

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have come across like a lot of
guns, almost too many guns. I'm

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carrying around way too many of you. I think I have like twenty guns

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on me because one for each AMMO
type exactly. That's what I do.

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Like I'm being optimal here, and
I kind of have to maybe you know,

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feel a bit more precious in fact, like a hot tip. No

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matter what your built is, definitely
specialize in at least one gun type so

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that you're kind of covered there.
Because it's kind of coming back to fall

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Out fourth, there is still quite
a bit of required shooting in this game,

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I would say, And that's like
you, you know, it's always

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kind of been like that, but
these the games when I sometimes forget it,

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Like it's there's immersive some elements,
but you're not gonna be able to

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talk yourself out of every combat situation. Very few RPGs really are like that.

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But yeah, there's fail enough checks
too, Like even if you do

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try to talk your way out,
you're probably gonna fail some checks. Yeah,

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there's still like a lot of shooting
here. So it's a good thing

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that they did make the shooting feel
better, and generally it does. Yeah.

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So on that note, I'm curious, since you guys are more familiar,

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do you miss anything like the VATS
system being in this type of game

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or are you okay with it being
a more because for me, I just

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went in to this like, oh, this is just like a dark person

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shooter kind of which I think is
like, you know, like later Mass

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Effect kind of did stuff like that
where they moved more towards like it's cover

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shooter, and this isn't a cover
shooter, but the levels of time played

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out in a way that they kind
of end up playing like that. I'm

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wondering, do you miss any sort
of like tactical sort of like system line

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mechanics. I think VOTs was helping
or VATS was helping to kind of cover

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up for some poor shooting mechanics.
Yes, and as soon as you tighten

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those up, you don't necessarily need
it. And look, it does just

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make the game feel a bit faster. Like I liked VATS. I think

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I like it as a fallout thing
just fine. This does not need it

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at all. I don't miss it. Yeah, I think I feel it

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pretty much the same way. And
as I'm like speaking it like character in

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certain directions, I'm becoming more sneaky, and I'm using the knife a little

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bit more and like snaking up behind
people and stuff like that, and using

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my pistols a little bit more frequently. That is the weapon I spect in,

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and so I'm getting a lot of
sneak attack damage and stuff like that.

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So the fact that that stuff is
working in is fun. I think

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it. I'm not even thinking about
vats when I'm playing the game. It's

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not even like, oh, I
wish to have a system equivalent to that.

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Maybe that occurred to me in the
first couple hours of the game,

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but not since then. The Mike
you touched on this, the truth,

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the explore, exploration, the traveling
around your ship. I think for me,

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the fantasy was going to be uh
that I would yea honestly what I

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wanted this game to be with Sid
Meyers, pirates and space. That's I

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think there's space ship game that I
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that. So in like Pirates or
or like outer worlds are excuse me,

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outer wilds, there is like this
big mass of places that you can explore

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and you travel in real time and
you could speed things up or whatever,

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but you try you actually have to
travel to places like physically move your ship

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here. It is you are selecting
planets on a map, or you selecting

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stars on a map and then selecting
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expiration side of things of like what
you would expect from a Bethesta Game Studios

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game is I'm going to go stumble
across the cave, and you can do

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that, but you're going to be
doing that in a roped off section on

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these planets called your landing zone,
unless you go to like pre pre established

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areas that the game has where it's
like, hey, we're gonna put this

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area of interest on your map and
it's going to say an abandoned research facility

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or something like that, and you
go down there and then there's stuff to

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do, and then you can explore
that area as well as much as you

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want. If you want to land
on anywhere on the planet, you can,

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but then that's going to be a
I don't know, like a ten

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mile by ten mile thing, and
you can walk that by foot. I

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haven't reached I have never reached the
boundary. I've never tried to reach the

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boundary. I'm not really interested in
doing that. There's a few things around

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your ship when you land, either
a half kilometer away, maybe a kilometer

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and a half. But I've never
been at risk of running into this boundary

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that apparently is there that other people
have run into. But it's like I

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had to like reconfigure the way that
I was thinking about expiration in this game,

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and it was no longer like,
Okay, let's just sort of wander.

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I'm not gonna set my ship to
just go towards a star and then

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back out and do stuff on the
ship and just like and then like where

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then look out the window and see
I've arrived somewhere. No, it's not

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gonna work that way, And that's
fine as soon as I got used to

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it. But I wonder how you
guys are finding the expiration, because it

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did click for me after I was
like, oh, there's a bunch of

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planets I had our stars I haven't
been to. I'm just gonna keep pushing

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out and see what I find.
And that was fun, but that took

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some like learning on my side,
like they're on ground stuff whatever I'm you

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know, i'd be fine if even
if it was more restrictive than that,

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if they just wanted to have their
hotspots, that would have been fine with

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me. I don't I don't need
to land everywhere. It's a bit more

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of a bummer that I can't,
like within one source system, fly from

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one planet to another evil or like
from the planet to its own moon.

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Right, Yeah, you can't even
really do. Yeah, that's super awkward,

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because that's something I'd tried initially because
I felt like that just made a

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ton of sense, like you and
Jesse, because when they put you on

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into space, they position you,
you know, in front of the planet,

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and you have, you know,
the moon next are you? And

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I thought to myself, Okay,
I just fly over to the moon.

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That makes sense, right, I'm
I'm flying around the outer perimeter of this

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planet, and you know, if
I get close enough to one thing,

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I'll prompt me. But no,
it's unless you are specifically put in a

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situation where they need you flying around
for whatever reason. It's the only reason.

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That's only the actually need to you
pie a ship a sci fi fast

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travel well I trade in space and
stuff like that. And yeah, you

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can also you can dock with certain
things like it's just been story stuff.

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There hasn't been exploration around that.
I've like, I always like explaining those

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outer planets. I did come across
the ship that was just like, hey,

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I'm out here, and I just
I want someone to come over for

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dinner. And then I went over
for dinner and had a conversation with her

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and that was really cool. And
then I did as something similar in another

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star system, and there's another ship
where I like, I'm just gonna go

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dock with this person. And I
went in there and just like list ladies

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like, I'll join your crew if
you like have some money, And I

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didn't have enough money to hire,
but she would have been a new crew

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member. So yeah, some of
these quests popping up like that are kind

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of are fun, the ones that
just happened, especially like, you know,

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I had somebody who was like a
tour guide. They're like, everybody

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here really wants to talk to a
real starship captain, could you please answer

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their questions? You know, stuff
like that actually had a lot of sort

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of personality and was quite charming.
But I guess, yeah, I guess

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I am just sort of frustrated that
it seems like most of my piloting is

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just fast. It's much more limited
than I thought it would be. It's

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almost like a physicalized menu in a
lot of cases exactly. It's a lot

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of most of the traveling is looking
at that star map and like you'll fast

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out a place and then you get
there and then oh, you're under attack,

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and this is kind of like you're
one encounter you're gonna have there,

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and it just kind of happens a
little suddenly. Yeah, it's it's a

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bit stiff, and it's you know
the O. There are games that do

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exactly what we're saying in terms of
like, oh, exploring man Sky,

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right, it's not No man Sky, But I mean No man Sky is

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not this game in any ways where
there's not the quest really that's it's not

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an RPG at all, and it's
a survival sim. So if there's got

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to be trade offs, I do
think, deep down I wish that this

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was not one of the trade offs
that was made. But again, Sean,

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you said it, this game operates
in its own way, and if

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you meet it halfway, there's a
lot of fun to be had. And

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once I started recognizing that, I
did have a lot of fun, a

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lot of it was like I early
on not doing the quest because I had

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a bunch of contraband on my ships. So whenever I try to do the

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quest, I would get a scanned
and they were like, hey, you're

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under arrest, and I would dip
back out of the system before they could

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arrest me. And that was fun
for a while, and then then surely

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I let them arrest me, and
then I got a new quest that way

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where they're like, hey, do
you want to help us take down the

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Crimson Fleet the bad guys? Well, now you have to work undercover if

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you don't want this to be on
your rap sheet. I'm like, all

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right, this is cool. Like
the things are just kind of happening because

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I'm making choices and it's all in
line with this character I've built of you

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know, I guess we could talk
about some of the things with decisions we've

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made there. But I made my
guy wanted. He has a history of

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where he's wanted, so I have
bounty hunters after me every once in a

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while. That's fun. And because
I'm wanted, I took a job working

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as a long hauler and these are
like some of this stuff is like choices

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I've made them ahead, and but
a long hauler is a class you could

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choose, so I have like some
some buffs to piloting and things like that.

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But people mention it every once in
a while though, Oh you were

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a long holler, so you'd be
really good at this job, and it's

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like, okay, that's that's neat
that that comes up, like you were

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a sculptor. I'm a sculptor and
hasn't come up very much. But to

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be fair, why would it.
I guess it'd be clear a literal sculptor.

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Yeah, that's my background. I
you know, sometimes like, well

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I don't as ione talking about my
wom an artist, but no one cares.

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I get it. It's probably actually
pretty faithful. But you know,

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I wanted to pick something that had
at least a persuasion trait to start with,

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So yeah, I went with that. That's good, Uh working out?

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Well? What in what I'm really
interested in too, like, because

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thinking about what makes Bethesta games good
and what I've enjoyed about them is some

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of those longer quest lines, like
the big main questiontions like in your Skyrim

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and Oblivion, it's like, oh, the thieves guild and stuff, like

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that right, and I have been
finding someone like those main questions are pretty

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good here, even like the main
story one I've been enjoying. I joined.

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It's one of the better bethesta main
story requests, I agree, I

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think so. And I joined this
group called the Free Star Rangers, and

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like it's like, you can join
some space cops on the first planet that

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seemed much more like space marine ish, and I get the United Colonies System

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Defense. Yes, I want to
do that. But then I went to

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another planet and their space cops were
like the space Cowboy, like the dep

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you know, the Magnetic seven,
and there's like only a dozen of them,

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so they really are kind of like
that. So like I joined them

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and like in their lodge and that
I just finished that quest linees like okay,

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this was pretty cool, and you
know you get you know, you've

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complete these things. And I won't
say exactly up like the rewards are really

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neat. They're really cool. It's
worth doing that stuff. But Sean,

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I don't let you say what kind
of character you started out us. So

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I'm a I believe the class is
cyber runner, so I'm all about what

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stealth and hacking are My two things, and then my background is I'm from

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the mean streets of Neon, which, hey, I'm early on. I

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don't know where. My whole planet
beyond is great. In general, these

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like big landmark areas, these big
cities are really cool and there's a lot

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of interesting stuff. You see.
There are tons of side quests. They're

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very dense. Neon specifically is kind
of like the red Light District with some

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criminal elements. Right. It's where
you can It's where you can go to

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the surgeon and rebuild your character if
you want, and rename your character.

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There's there's some multiple corporations. They're
kind of a vine and doing and they're

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like they're like they have a lot
of fun. We're like, oh,

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I'm matching wits with my corporate opponents. And so it's like that vibe and

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it's really good. Is it like
a cyberpunky kind of absolutely well punky,

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that makes sense. That's it literally
called me on your what you're imagine in

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your head is almost certainly right,
right, And you know, calling them

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the classes is maybe overselling it.
This is this just just like gives you

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some of your starting perks or whatever
they're called. And then each time you

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level up, you can get a
new one. So if I'm not mistaken,

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that's the only major differences that you
start with, like one in each

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of like whatever that class has,
right, you just get a few starting

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perks. Then when you love what
you can get whatever you know. Even

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though Sculptor doesn't have hacking or whatever, it is, like I got hacking.

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Yeah, you can spike that up
and get to the same place that

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I'm at with it. I'm like, I would like level twenty or level

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twenty one or something like that.
I might have been higher before my save

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was a reset. The leveling up
system, I think is it's it's robust

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in terms of like, oh,
it's really big, and it works in

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two directions. You can either continue
to unlock new skills or you can go

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deeper in the skills you already have, and you can do that, but

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like a lot you know in Skyrim, if you jump a bunch, your

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athletics are going to go up.
Here, It's like if you use your

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thrusters on your backpack so you can
do your double jumps or whatever during combat

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ten times, then you'll be able
to unlock a better version of that.

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But then you have to also spend
a skill point to actually unlock that,

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so now it's like it's accessible,
and now you spend a skill point to

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unlock that, and so you're using
that skill point to go deeper on something

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instead of unlocking yet a new thing. So I've got a lot of these

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going. I've gone pretty deep on
so that means I've not gone to like

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the lower tiers of these skilled trees, because on these skill trees you need

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like, oh three on this row
to get to the next row, and

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so on and so on. So
I'm like maybe on the second row on

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one of these skill trees, and
there's like five skill trees kind of similar

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to the skills that were in Fallout, So I don't know, how are

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you doing that. I'm liking.
I'm liking this system actually because yeah,

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you lock a skill, then you
get the thing, like, well,

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now you've unlocked pistol special specialization.
Well to get part two, you don't

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just need to level up again.
You have to at least kill like ten

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people with a pistol. I always
like that. That's like one of my

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favorite things about like Wolfenstein the New
Order and Fallout has done simi similar stuff

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in the past. Skyrim. Obviously
they're really good at these systems, and

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I think this one's very fun.
And you know, you talk about going

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deeper in a specific there's like four
main categories, maybe five, I forget,

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yeah, but yeah, I've unlocks
like the bottom on one of them.

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And even this, it's not like, oh, well, these are

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the best ones. I'm actually still
like, no, Actually it's more important

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for me to go on the first
row of a different one because I want

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to fly higher class starships. I'm
going to go there and stay. It's

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not like you have to really be
stressing out, like oh I need to

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specialize and specifically the tech branch or
something like that. You get spread out

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pretty far. And because these skills, I mean, like you you mentioned

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there, you can fly a higher
class of starship if you have a better

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piloting skill. Because these things are
there's so many skills, and these skills

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can go so deep. I think
people's experience in this game are going to

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be very different. Like I was
eventually able to steal a ship a bunch

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of religious sell It's attacked me.
I fought back, I killed their ship

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mostly, but then I I Christians
ship. I say, hey, space,

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I keep laughing over here, because
I'm like, oh, space Jeff

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Grub is making his way through the
galaxy by getting introl with the cops and

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pissing off religious people like God run
shocker right, hey, listen, I

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played myself absolutely. I yeah,
so I docked on their ship and then

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I boarded it. I killed them
all, and then I want to go

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check because sometimes like you're not authorized
stuff to do a ship, or you

406
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,759
don't have the proper skill level.
But I've been upgrading my pilots stuff,

407
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:06,880
and it's like, yeah, you
can take over the ship and it's a

408
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,880
big, huge ship with a really
powerful engine and a ton of fuel,

409
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,680
so they can like your grab jumps, which are how you go from star

410
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,039
to star. Your early ship is
pretty limited, not superlimited that you can't

411
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,119
like you're going to be able to
do things if you're willing to explore.

412
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,559
But now for all the stuff that
I've explored, I can jump all the

413
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:26,519
way back and forth in one jump, and that's that's pretty cool. And

414
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,240
then I upgraded that ship, which
the upgrade system for the ships is actually

415
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,799
it's relatively easy to use. There's
two options. You can either upgrade stuff

416
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,880
you already have or add and then
design your own ship. And I added

417
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,319
a ton of storage. So now
because of the encumber and silver, it's

418
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,160
so important, right, So now
I had like fourteen hundred spaces on my

419
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,640
ship, and so I just throw
everything in there, especially resources. So

420
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,799
my character. Even though I've I've
got the weightlifting perk so I can carry

421
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:53,519
more on myself, I usually put
everything on the ship and I'm good to

422
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:57,400
go that way. So it's like, I will say, the weightlifting one

423
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,599
is the one where I'm like,
Okay, this system falls apart a little

424
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,880
bit because it's like, in order
to upgrade that you need to run around

425
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,319
and close to or encumbered. So
I'm like, am I just gonna run

426
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,799
laps here in the main city.
It's that classic skrim I would do,

427
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,119
yes, do the rubber banding thing
on my controller and then walk away as

428
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,039
he's like sneaking into a wall.
And I was thinking, still, Mike,

429
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,279
what what does the phrase final fantasy
too mean to you? You know?

430
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,480
Yeah, but now I don't know
who am I say? I hashed

431
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,720
eggs for a competitive Pokemon for years, so it's it's it's it's just you

432
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,400
can exploit. It's like that's not
it's still not really ruining the fun all

433
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,079
that much. It's kind of because
it's still still my choice to do.

434
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,519
It's not like it's fun to exploit
it. Like you know, one of

435
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,880
mine was was commerce, so as
I get a bonus on selling and buying,

436
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,119
It's like, why to have to
sell fifty unique items? I was

437
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,440
like, why have like all these
resources that I have, like hundred hundred

438
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,680
of I got so one of each
quick and then you know that counts just

439
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:06,920
fine. That's Jeff. I'm curious
from you, like, do you find

440
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,880
much value in actually just blind exploring, because generally I am if I'm going

441
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,519
somewhere, I have some kind of
a quest there, and maybe like I'll

442
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720
go and look over here, look
over there a little bit. But in

443
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:22,039
general, it just seems way more
valuable to follow some kind of quest and

444
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,880
not just literally go blindly jumping to
some star system you haven't been to.

445
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,319
Yeah, I mean I early on, that's how it was playing a lot

446
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,440
of blind expiration because I was I
had the contraband on my ship, and

447
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,400
I was looking for a place to
sell it and so and I had no

448
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,759
idea where to take it. I
was at this point, I had been

449
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,160
accepted to the Crimson Fleet, and
they weren't like giving me the option to

450
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,200
sell it to them. They might
have a fence, but I had not

451
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,079
found them at that point, so
I was like, I think at this

452
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,359
point actually could go to the Key, which is like their home base,

453
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,480
and maybe sell it there. But
at this point I did not know that,

454
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,880
and they weren't let me on the
Key, and I found it so

455
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,400
like that this might be a good
example of that. So I did find

456
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,079
some enjoyment doing that. There was
because you will discover new quests and things

457
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,759
that you can just kind of take
on and that will take you to other

458
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,960
parts of the universe, and the
game still knows what level you are,

459
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,920
so it's like the quest that you're
probably stumbling upon are mostly going to be

460
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,640
like pulling you back towards these systems
that are lower class, and each system

461
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,599
does have a level associated with it. The deeper into space you get,

462
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
it's gonna be like level sixty five, and you're gonna be outmatched if you

463
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,119
get into any like space battles or
anything like that. But I did come

464
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,599
across the Key, which is the
home base of the Crimson Fleet, a

465
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,079
quest that I had started, but
because I had not done a certain thing

466
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,000
in that quest, they weren't going
to let me on the key even though

467
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,319
I was in the Crimson Fleet.
So it's like most of the time you're

468
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:41,799
probably going to be betst best served
taking on those quests. And also the

469
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:47,039
main quest unlocks some certain features that
we were not going to spoil too much.

470
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:48,680
There Again, they've been in the
trailers a little bit, but you

471
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,880
know this is it's as sci fi
video game. They're going to give you

472
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,240
the sci fi video game powers,
and you're gonna want to do the main

473
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:56,200
quest to do that. And then
as you're doing that, you're gonna be

474
00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,559
gathering up like Mike said, he
the Freestar Rangers, and I've been I

475
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,240
was accepting the Crimson Fleet. These
are the other side quests that are basically

476
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,279
main question to themselves that you're going
to uncover and design which ones you actually

477
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,240
want to do. So if I
were a person starting this game, I

478
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:14,519
would stick with that main quest for
the first ten hours or so and then

479
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,960
and then divvy off from that point. Yeah, I think that's pretty important

480
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,480
because, yeah, there is essential
stuff that you are in locking while you're

481
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,440
doing it, you know good like
Skyrim, like you know you're not getting

482
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,160
your dove king stuff until you kind
of exactly exactly a little bit. Yes,

483
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,680
And it's been really good in the
characters are really mostly very fun.

484
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,319
I enjoy spending time with them.
Plus, like that question is going to

485
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,079
take you to the key areas,
like you will eventually go to Neon,

486
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,720
Yes, as part of that quest, and that quest is great. That

487
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:44,039
part of that question is to with
with the guy that runs the spaceship company

488
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:45,559
and stuff. Did you get the
quests after that from him? Where he

489
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,559
wanted you to help design a spaceship
And I felt just like Homer and that

490
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,079
brother, what's in a charge of
designing a spaceship? I was very excited.

491
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,640
I've not done that yet, but
I will. And this is I

492
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,119
think this is the magic of the
game. It's like everyone's gonna have their

493
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,599
own stories and their own adventures,
and even as you do the main quest,

494
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,359
you are going to stumble into things
that only happened to you. And

495
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,680
that's really working for me. Jeff, did you spend much time customizing your

496
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,480
ship? I have been having fun
sort of designing that and playing with the

497
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,720
tools and that it's a pretty simple
system, and some of it comes at

498
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,079
the expense of just how much,
babe, you can customize things. But

499
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,400
because it is so quote unquote like
easy to use, you're able to make

500
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,000
a pretty cool ship relatively easy since
it's so modulo and kind of just snapping

501
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:36,200
onto these hinge points. Yeah,
I'm having fun with it. I was

502
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,119
mostly doing things out of necessity.
I wanted more room on my ship.

503
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,799
My ship ship felt kind of small
at first, and so I just elongated

504
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,400
it. I had a couple of
halbs in the middle of the ship,

505
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,920
so that then I moved the back
part of the ship I already existed,

506
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,920
and I kind of just unstuck them
and then put these habs in the middle.

507
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,480
So I had just like long,
weener dog looking ship for a while,

508
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,839
and then of course the lot to
finish that. That's when I got

509
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,519
the other ship from the sell.
It's I took that one over, and

510
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,759
that one's huge and great, and
I've been messing around with that one a

511
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:04,559
little bit. Yeah, I think
a lot of people are gonna have a

512
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,440
hot dog ship for a bit.
I did for a while, and then

513
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,240
I find like recently I was like
Okay, I'm going to try to make

514
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,359
this a wider ship. Wider Like
it's still meant like three of like those

515
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,440
habitation tubes in a row, and
like they connect at one point, but

516
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,279
they don't connect in multiple points.
So like the inside of my ship is

517
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:22,920
a bit of a mess to navigate, but it looks cool and that's a

518
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,720
kind of the most important thing right
now. But I am you're do unlock

519
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,599
other ships, and I think maybe
if you have the starship engineering perk you

520
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,839
can, or even just repercussing the
game, I'm not sure you can maybe

521
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,279
get some larger and wider crew areas. Yeah, and each part of the

522
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:42,039
ship building thing that there's multiple factors
there. The ship spaceship engineering is one,

523
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,160
but I think if you have like
a higher piloting thing or higher another

524
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400
perk, you can use bigger engines, so you can put a Class B

525
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,480
engine or a Class C engine.
This enables you to do more stuff like

526
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:59,240
exploring unexplored star systems and stuff like
that. So yeah, it's there's a

527
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,480
lot going on, and I think
when people started, I think they're gonna

528
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,759
be like I am mostly going on
this space menu, clicking on the waypoint,

529
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,079
flying there essentially fast traveling there,
going there, killing some people,

530
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,079
and then going back to the original
waypoint, telling someone I killed someone and

531
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,640
they're going to tell me to go
kill more people. And it definitely does

532
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,359
start that way, and I think
that is a pretty I think I was

533
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,039
they should have figured something else out
there, because that's not a great first

534
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,640
impression. I found a bunch of
fun stuff happening there. But I've talked

535
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,319
to a lot of people who have
said that they are bored by this game

536
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,920
in the first couple hours. Do
you guys understand that, because I do.

537
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,880
I think they should have done the
mass effect one thing, where when

538
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,160
you get to that first big city, they make you kind of stay there

539
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,400
for a while and they have a
lot of stuff for you to do just

540
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
and then I understand they're probably anxious
to get people to use their spaceship and

541
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,200
things like that, and I've kind
of encouraged people to when you get to

542
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,079
New Atlantis, spend a lot of
time. I know, we said do

543
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:56,839
the main quest, but spend some
time in New Atlantis because it is this

544
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,319
really interesting city and there is a
lot to do their specifically, But yeah,

545
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,000
I think there's a pacing issue in
the beginning, because you know,

546
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,119
there's so much stuff that you can
do, and a lot of it's hinted

547
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,920
at, and a lot of it
you can't really dove into until you build

548
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,319
up resources. Like again and our
twenty only just now my really kind of

549
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,079
exploring base building, and yes,
I started doing those outposts, which is

550
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,839
a whole thing, and like I'm
doing that, and that's like leading me

551
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,960
to like the resource system, and
I'm tagging resources that I want to go

552
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160
out and collect, and they have
the great magnifying lens next to them,

553
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,559
so when I do see them,
like, oh, great, this is

554
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:34,359
one of those resources that I needed. So after like, oh I've seen

555
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,880
like ten of those, I'm gonna
go back and see if I can build

556
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,359
a habitat. Now that's that I
can actually afford that, so I can

557
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,759
actually have someone s stationed at this
outpost. And these people that you're adding

558
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,200
to your crew, some of them
are like, oh, I'm an outpost

559
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,440
engineer and I'm good at outpost security. I'm like, well, I would

560
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,680
love to just assign you to these
outposts. So like they give you the

561
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:55,960
incentives to want to work with these
systems and then the systems themselves are pretty

562
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,640
fun, and the outpost building is
like you could do it first person or

563
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,279
third person whatever, like a Fallout
four, like when you're building the base

564
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,839
in there, or you can hit
V on your keyboard and then you go

565
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:08,599
in the top down view and you're
looking at it looks like just a city

566
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,759
builder at that point, and it's
it works really well. But you're right,

567
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,480
I'm just kind of getting to the
point where this is something I'm messing

568
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:16,960
around with and I love doing that. And fall Out four, when it

569
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,240
didn't really affect much, it was
just kind of like I'm building a cool

570
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,680
thing that's pup to show off all
of my awesome power armor, and here

571
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,599
it seems like there's a lot more
sort of gathering up resources and having these

572
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,599
characters like work on that stuff for
you on these deserted planets, and the

573
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,960
planets themselves like actually look really cool
and it's fun to spend time there,

574
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,279
even if they are mostly barren.
That's like, I don't know, the

575
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,039
visuals are actually pretty impressive, but
I guess that it could bring us this

576
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,839
is it, but that's the game
studio game. How do you guys feel

577
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:51,200
about the visual technology of it.
Yeah, it feels a bit vanilla is

578
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:55,119
maybe the right word. I'm not
impressed by it by it. Also,

579
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,559
don't think it looks terrible, Like
it doesn't looks terrible. I've been playing

580
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:06,720
on peace See and it runs okay. It definitely runs worse in the populated

581
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,960
area than ye yes, I am
like on medium settings and then but even

582
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,559
my frame rate is still very variable
where ips and like empty areas and maybe

583
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,880
low populated areas beyond in a city, it can can drag a bit.

584
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,480
Yeah, that's definitely something that I
want to touch on briefly because I'm a

585
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,280
little more technically mine, So this
is the kind of thing I was tinkering

586
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,079
with a little bit and everything.
And then you know, obviously I think

587
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:36,440
even by the time everyone's watching this, like Digital Foundry will assuredly have videos

588
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,920
deep diving on and everything. But
just from my experience, you know,

589
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,800
I have like an editing rig,
so it's a little CPU heavy less or

590
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,079
so on GPU, so just textpacs. I have a rise in seven fifty

591
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,239
eight hundred x, so you know, very good CPU and then a thirty

592
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,039
sixty TI for a GPU, so
it's you know, kind of like mid

593
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,960
ish to low mid range, which
you know, I thought would be fine

594
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,679
because I'm only doing like Mike ten
ADP medium, I have a freezing mod

595
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,039
or so, you know, I
just let the frame rate rock. And

596
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,000
I see now why they lot to
frame right down on consoles because it's it's

597
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,239
actually exactly what they said going into
this, where it is consistently at or

598
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,119
above sixty a lot of the time, but then you get into the cities

599
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,760
and it is hovering around that like, you know, forty something like upper

600
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,440
forty, lower fifty even on my
system, and I am limited by the

601
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,960
GPU, which I was a little
surprised by. But it's just like it's

602
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,239
a very heavy game, and we've
had heavy games, yeah coming out.

603
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,440
I'm I was thinking of Boulder's Gate
three while I was playing this, because

604
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,079
I was like, man, I
do I got upgrade my GPU? I

605
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,880
really hope I don't, but like
if I want anything more than this,

606
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,800
I might. But you know,
thankfully, I'm good with the way it

607
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,559
looks at those settings and everything like
that, so I feel I feel fine,

608
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,079
But it is a heavy game once
you get a lot of things going

609
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,679
in the big cities, Like your
guys, we're talking about how about you,

610
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:09,440
mister forty eighty. Oh my god, I'm just it was running kind

611
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,159
of flawlessly for me at first,
and then a couple updates it seemed to

612
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,360
cause some issues. And now they've
updated again it seems to be running better

613
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,000
again. Uh yeah, listen,
I think this game heavy is the way

614
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,159
to describe it. People are gonna
there's gonna be a lot of talk about

615
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,360
how to optimize this game and about
them updating it and stuff, and I'll

616
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,119
be interested to see what it actually
runs like on day one for most people.

617
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,920
But in terms of like the way
it looks, I think it's it's

618
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,880
there's a duality happening here where I
think when I'm on a planet and I'm

619
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,639
just like kind of looking at it
and like it's an icy planet and the

620
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,800
star system or the star is like
rising and it shines across all the ice,

621
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,559
and then there's a you know,
a star, a planet with rings

622
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:51,000
around it up there in the sky. It can look really pretty. The

623
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,639
environments are very pretty athetics and the
art design I think is pretty strong,

624
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:58,719
and I like the whole I think
it carries it. Yes, I think

625
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,000
the aesthetics really care yea the menus
are usually relatively cool to look at when

626
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,880
you're in like the hacking system years
in the computer, that looks cool that

627
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,119
yeah, it's like a little a
little far motor function. But yes,

628
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,960
well yes, definitely the big buttons
and stuff like that, and that's also

629
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,639
very Bethesta. But but overall,
like I think that the art carries it

630
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,000
for the most part. But then
you're gonna get the situations where it's,

631
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,480
oh, yeah, this world looks
really good. It's not sort of like

632
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,519
moving and animated and like a really
alive way, like you know, a

633
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,320
Tears the King of Breadth of the
Wild. Mostly it kind of feels low

634
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,360
fly, but it feels so alive
because the grass is swaying and and everything

635
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,119
it is. The trees kind of
feel alive as well. So it's like

636
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,960
that really really carries it, and
this is not doing that. It is

637
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,639
just kind of like you know,
as a screenshot, it looks really beautiful,

638
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,039
and most of these planets are a
lot of the planets are rocky or

639
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:50,880
whatever, so that doesn't really matter
so much. But then you're gonna see

640
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:52,920
you know, characters and they're gonna
move around like stiff Bethesta characters, and

641
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,880
that technology is better, but it's
far behind most other games, and that

642
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,039
doesn't bother me so much as like, but when I'm looking, I'm like,

643
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:04,800
it does feel old when when you're
looking at that. Now, in

644
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,880
combat, that doesn't matter so much. You're just blowing away these dumb NPCs,

645
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,679
But in scenarios where it's like I'm
moving through a city, it's like,

646
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,920
yeah, these kind of move like
stiff beathestic characters. It's not as

647
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,000
bad as it once was. It
definitely is improved so that it might like

648
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,360
at a glance, looking at a
busy street on New Atlantis or something like

649
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,639
that, it's like, Okay,
this looks alive until they all act really

650
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,800
dumb and they're all like clogging up
one thing and they're all bumping into each

651
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,440
other. Like we talked about how
these nbcis tend to do. You look,

652
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:35,400
you just turn it back, and
of course a companion is just sprinting

653
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,840
like mad right from something you got
lost on the steps or whatever. There

654
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,480
was some condition where I had to
like sneak and I had two companions,

655
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:45,079
and like every time i'd like open
a door or seeking two next, what

656
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,239
the companions would be on the other
side of the door. It's that classic

657
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,199
thing, have you guys like you
guys have a main companion. Because I've

658
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:58,280
been going with sam Co a lot
a k a. Adam Jensen from Days

659
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,280
Sex. You'll be surprised to hear
that. And doesn't like sam Co because

660
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,639
he hates having a kid on his
space ship. It's like, it's a

661
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,920
stupid kid. I only want to
fly with cool dudes. Like, oh

662
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,480
my god, dad that I'm still
rocking with Sarah because contrary what I've been

663
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:17,679
hearing from a couple of people,
I think she's pretty neat. I like

664
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Vasco because he's he won't judge me
when I do my foul things in space

665
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,119
without my crimes and kill the religious
people. He's just like, yeah,

666
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,119
I'm a robot about this. I'm
like, God, damn right you are.

667
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,000
And you're my Packel too. Here's
some more resources for you. He's

668
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,599
also going to alert every enemy in
the area where he stopping. That's why

669
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,840
I had to stop running with him. And she's so big and like it

670
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,360
is like even things like oh god, my pain is still in my way,

671
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,400
out of the way. My least
favorite thing about this game or the

672
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,920
goddamn ladders. It's because, specially
when you're boarding a ship, they'll have

673
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:52,000
these tiny ladders. I thought this
was like the big deal, like we

674
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:58,159
got letters. Now they're so bad. You push e or whatever, just

675
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,280
use of it. Camera like zooms
out the third persons. You can grab

676
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,639
it, but sometimes you don't grab
it anyway, so your camera just goes

677
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,840
the third person. Your companion is
already on the ladder and you're not allowed

678
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,840
to use the ladder if your companion
is on the ladder, so you gotta

679
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,119
wait for them to do something,
and then you get on there and suddenly

680
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,960
it's in third person. But because
but like it, the hole that you're

681
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,920
going through in the ladder is like
this big, so the camera's bumping up

682
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,400
against that. I don't know,
the ladders really throwing me off. They're

683
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,960
really fucking What companion are you using
when this happens? Because it mass okay,

684
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,400
Well, your ladder companion probably is
even programmed to use laders, so

685
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:38,599
I don't think he uses ladders or
whatever exactly. But I'm man know what

686
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,199
you mean. Like, I'll definitely
be in situations where I and I think

687
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:46,519
this happens in the quick look where
it's a very harrowing situation, and I'm

688
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,519
trying to run and get away from
someone attacking me, and that's all I

689
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,639
can do, and I get stuck
at someone's in front of me and I

690
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,400
have to like try to run through
them. So and it's like, Okay,

691
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,280
I guess I'm gonna try to hop
over you. And it's awkward.

692
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,719
It's still that pathe the jink uh. And I guess I'm still mostly okay

693
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,440
with it because of what it enables. But a lot of times, I

694
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,719
think, for the most parts,
like some of these things, I feel

695
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,400
like you probably could have figured these
things out, Like the latter situation that

696
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,159
Mike's having, there's no excuse for
that. They could have done better there.

697
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,360
Yeah, And I guess, you
know, some of it is like

698
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:23,199
really being kind of sold on some
of the promise of this being like the

699
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,880
next biggest game, Like you know, they had that really good presentation over

700
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,800
the summer, and you know,
it looks really good this game. Again,

701
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,840
I'm not I like this game a
good bit, but I definitely came

702
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,559
out with that thinking like, oh, this is like, whoa, this

703
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,599
could be my game of the year. Actually it's definitely not that right now.

704
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,519
Is it gonna be in the top
ten? Mate? Yeah, it

705
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:49,079
could be. I think there's a
good chance of that. But I think

706
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,239
some of those high hopes, uh, some of those highest hopes got a

707
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,320
little bit dashed and then kind of
rebounded a bit as I played more and

708
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,800
more of it. Yeah. I
do think though, that that leans into

709
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,519
like, manage your expectations, because
I think that this game has been relatively

710
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:12,320
straightforwardly marketed, where they do say, yeah, there's so many places for

711
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,639
you to explore and so on and
so forth. I do think people are

712
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,800
running with that maybe a little too
much where they they I think they're building

713
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,920
this game a bit much in their
heads and not you know, thinking about

714
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,480
it. Rashley of like, you
know, like we're I've been saying for

715
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,920
a long time, y'all, this
is gonna be fall Out on Space.

716
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,360
And from what I've played, and
it seems like, well, you guys

717
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,039
have played, it's Fallout in Space, which is not a knock at all

718
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,239
for sure. And it's like if
there's areas where it's improved or grown,

719
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,519
it happens subtly as you're playing right
time. It's like you're not just playing

720
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,440
the same game again. You know, it's just there's a formula, and

721
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:54,000
this formula has grown for them exactly. You should expect a bethes the game

722
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,719
from Bethesza. Yeah, if you
like fall Out, if you like those

723
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,559
games, but hey, this is
gonna be like a you know, a

724
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,280
new take on that. It's not
going to be you know, the greyest

725
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,519
Things and slice bread necessarily. Right, there's a lot of undue pressure on

726
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:12,239
this game just because the things have
been rough for Microsoft, and Microsoft has

727
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,760
almost seem to lean into it like, well, don't worry because this is

728
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,239
the game and it's some some ways. They're definitely right, like this is

729
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,159
definitely the biggest exclusive that they've had. Yeah, the dragons are coming everyone,

730
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,599
don't worry. This is the biggest
list they've had a lot of time.

731
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,840
But I am you know again,
when this comes out, Jeff and

732
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,119
I were probably be in an airplane. Uh, the internet's already been freaking

733
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,360
out even but we're recording this on
a Tuesday night. You know, get's

734
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,440
already freaking out, like just wassing
their minds over this. So and it's

735
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,679
not going to get better when the
when this is out and when you guys

736
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,280
are reading these reviews. It's it's
gonna be real rough out there. So

737
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,719
I guess. I mean, this
is the next game from the studio that

738
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,440
said Skyrim was their ten year game, and this they want this to be

739
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,880
their next ten year game. I
can see it. I don't. I

740
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,920
don't think it's makes it. I
don't think it's as natural of a fit

741
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,639
as Skyrim was, uh for mods
and stuff at that. But I think

742
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,239
this game is going to get there
and have It's gonna be like the next

743
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,119
biggest mod supported game after Skyrim,
I think, and I ask to be

744
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,760
right, yeah, and I'm looking
forward to that. I you know,

745
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,000
the next time I'm playing this game
now, I'm gonna play through. I'm

746
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
gonna beat it. But the next
time I play it, when I come

747
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:17,360
back to this game a couple of
years from now, that game that I

748
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,800
will play will be nothing like the
game I'm playing now. Maybe that's part

749
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,079
of my thing, because I'm never
much of a mod right. I was

750
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,960
gonna ask you guys, you guys
ever use mods on games like this?

751
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,679
No, Like when I play like
I think I ransom like, even if

752
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,599
I do, it'll just be like
the graphics mods. And even then sometimes

753
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,920
I don't really actually see the point
of this. This is like looking for

754
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,119
and destroying my performance. I'll actually
just turn that off. So and I

755
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:45,960
not really I'm weird. I'm like
a things must be cannon kind of guys.

756
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,119
So it's like, I don't like
mods that like add fan January content

757
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,599
nothing say at all. It's just
a mean thing. I'm not into that

758
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,280
ball do you know, like performance
and graphical mods and stuff like that.

759
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,079
Yeah, even like something's like oh
the Millennium Falcons, somebody bought it into

760
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,199
the game. I could watch a
video of that and kind of get all

761
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,920
I need. Yeah right, yeah, you know, I'm not gonna do

762
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,239
the Thomas the Tank Engine one.
I think that's great. I will watch

763
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,840
the video as well, but like
you know, some things that will like

764
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,599
expand the behaviors of companions and things
like that, and we'll and we'll.

765
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,719
I know you guys are thinking meant
the sex mod, but I I didn't.

766
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,079
But I'm glad you brought there,
Jeff, Thank you. Can you

767
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,440
bone people in this game? I'd
be able to flirt with some people I

768
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,400
haven't done too much of there.
There are romance options, and it does

769
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,320
I think it does result in that's
now. What he asks though, is

770
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,440
yeah, I think it results in
eventually you getting down and dirty. Yes,

771
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,320
because again we're coming off Balder's Game
three. You know, like you

772
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,840
choose the bill. You're the first
one to say it. I've been avoiding

773
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,320
it. Oh, look, people
are gonna freaking lose their minds when people

774
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,920
start comparing the supporters get three,
which I think is a fair in a

775
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,559
game that I came out, yeah, like a few weeks ago. Of

776
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,440
course, dare you. It's going
to be a completely fair comparison. But

777
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:04,639
people are going to ship their pants
and it's gonna be their minds. And

778
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,639
again, I don't want to call
it shot because I don't know. I

779
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,480
think people are gonna lose their minds
at this game's meta critics score is probably

780
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,400
not going to be in the nineties, and it's going to be well,

781
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,159
yeah, it's just it's shot.
What's been doing. I mean, we've

782
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,559
played the game, now, we
have our original guesses with with Wolf,

783
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,119
I'm going to guess that the metacritics
is going to be eighty four. Uh

784
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,559
yeah, I was gonna maybe say
eighty five. I think there might be.

785
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,800
I think there's gonna be I don't
want to say ungenuine a lot of

786
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,119
ten out of tens, but I
think there's gonna be some ten out of

787
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,800
tens from people who are so I'm
like, this is prestige gaming, it

788
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,880
must be ten out of ten something. For some reason, there's gonna be

789
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
a quite a few extra ten out
of tens. So I think it might

790
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,679
be more like an eighty six.
That's fair. I was. I was

791
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:50,480
actually gonna say eighty six. So
I do think it'll be like, you

792
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,039
know, mid to up or eighty. So yeah, I'll go eighty seven.

793
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,239
I think he'll be around this a
six eight. We've been we've been

794
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,639
having such a year that for some
people they're gonna lose their minds that the

795
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,079
game that they thought would be uh
like the biggest best game of the year

796
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,159
didn't get When Skyrim came out,
it was game of the year for a

797
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,400
lot of people, and it's like, the expectation is what this stay will

798
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,840
grow and keep it for wasn't.
Yeah, I know, but people people

799
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,480
always forget Fallout for when when they're
kind of thinking, look at thinking about

800
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,400
this is the game that's coming on
after Skyrim, So yeah, what was

801
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,800
Fallout for Betta Craig. Now,
I'm kind of curious. I mean it

802
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:31,920
was pretty good Skyrim, Okay,
so I guess, yeah, like keep

803
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,079
that in mind, and I guess
a little bit huh. Yep. Yeah,

804
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,719
also keep in mind scores don't mean
shit. Yeah, I'm not gonna

805
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,960
this is a game pass game.
Go play it and like make your own

806
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,599
decisions. And maybe we're all crazy. Maybe a zillion people are gonna think

807
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,159
this is the greatest thing ever.
And you know, it's been clear.

808
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,039
I think we all like it.
I think we all really and I'm boring

809
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,239
on loving it. I really am
having a very good time recently with these

810
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,800
last few less handful of hours.
Other than my major bugs. Sure,

811
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,000
yeah, I'm not even a Western
AIRBT guy and I'm enjoying my time.

812
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,760
Well, you know, like it's
it's a good game. Yep. I

813
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,800
definitely been enjoy it. I guess
it's just hard to not. I don't

814
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,760
know, I don't know, hope
some of it is just that beth as

815
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,199
the jank in thinking. Man,
I did think we're gonna come out a

816
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,960
little bit better on some of this
stuff than this, just in terms of

817
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,320
that of the Jake. Yeah,
I guess that's don't I definitely don't listen

818
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,199
to that least buggiest, behest the
game everything up there. I do want

819
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,000
to say, because I don't think
I actually got the same. Where I'm

820
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:36,840
talking about bugs, I will say
I have had zero major bugs. So

821
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,039
you know, this is a your
mileage may vary, but obviously you guys

822
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,280
ran into them, yes, but
you know, and like I am early

823
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,360
on compared to you guys, but
I've had like you know, like my

824
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,239
leg my clip through a rock or
something. I expecially I don't even count

825
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,320
that, Yeah, exactly, other
than that, I actually haven't had any

826
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:59,519
bugs. Maybe I'm bucky. Maybe
you know, maybe that's exactly with any

827
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,719
with any these kinds of RPGs.
It always is. So we'll see.

828
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,559
I guess I say, I don't
mean it. I don't mean to like

829
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,280
be coming across as a negative,
but it is. I don't know,

830
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,000
it is just kind of these things
do pop up, and sometimes it kind

831
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,679
of can come link down on you. But then you have these play sessions

832
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:15,039
like I had yesterday. I played
like five straight hours and it's just really

833
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,800
having a great time. And it's
been much more of those. The deeper

834
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,039
that I do get into the game, and it does feel like it is

835
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:29,559
at least as big as they promised
in terms of a big and and it's

836
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,960
not like held together with with spitting
duct tape in terms of like that the

837
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:36,320
amount of content. As you go
deeper, there is more stuff to enjoy

838
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,280
and cover and more characters to get
to know, and all that stuff works

839
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,639
really well. All right, cool, I think what we're gonna do now

840
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,559
is we're gonna take a quick break. When we get back, we're gonna

841
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:46,960
do our game, and then we'll
probably wrap this up. Thanks for listening,

842
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,400
everybody. We'll be right back after
this. All right, we're back,

843
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,519
and we got it. Closest to
the Messy Pin, Sean, why

844
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:59,400
don't you take it away? That's
right, everybody. Even though it's a

845
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,519
special ap episode, we had do
one. Closest to the Messy Pin,

846
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,639
Volume fifteen, presented by me Turboshaun, powered by Metacritic, and as always,

847
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,239
executively produced by Benji Bob Kochima.
Now, if you don't know the

848
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,199
rules every round, the boys will
be given a certified retro game as older

849
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,480
than ten years. If you didn't
know the goals to predict the game's metacric

850
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,719
score as a stands right now on
metcrect dot com, we do use a

851
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,559
closest to the pin core scoring system, which means that the boys will be

852
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,679
guessing the score, and each point
deviated that they are will be added to

853
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,039
their score. Golf rules, they
want the lowest score at the end of

854
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,960
the game. If they get the
exact number instead of zero, they will

855
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:45,119
deduct five points from their toll score. So yet again, I am unprepared

856
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:50,079
and don't quite remember who won.
By believe Mike snuck it out by cheating.

857
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,920
I'm not gonna say it's time because
I was wrong last time, Michael,

858
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,960
which is why you won. Yeah, I did not know that the

859
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:04,440
one. Yeah, I thought it
was the regular one. Yes, that's

860
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,159
score should because that's a from software
game, so I should have got a

861
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,599
higher spare. Yeah, okay,
okay. Anyways, that means that Jeff

862
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,360
will be picking first. So that's
right, Jeff, I need you to

863
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,639
tell me what you think. Eve
on the line, or at least for

864
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:28,559
the personal computer Mason two thousand three
twenty two figures as on macrac dot com.

865
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:36,800
I'm just gonna throw a random number. I'm gonna say seventy six say,

866
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,519
sicks not huge confidence in Eve Online? Huh. I just again,

867
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,800
how do you even review it?
Like, like for a person doing a

868
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,679
review of that game when I'm playing
it for like thirty hours in like two

869
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,760
weeks, Like, what the hell
are they right? Yeah? Could they

870
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,400
even find what could be like even
in the shape of fun? I don't

871
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,480
think so Okay, okay, well, I mean how would you review end

872
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,840
Walker, Mike? You know,
I'm just saying I'm more easily than Eve.

873
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,800
Yeah, I'm sure there's some through
line that you can fight. I

874
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,159
don't know this even slander, I
can't. No, no, no,

875
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,679
even it's ignorance. Even you know, none of us know what the hell

876
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,480
this game does. It's so much
more cop because you have to like make

877
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:24,039
like actual real world relationships and start
your political intrigue with other actual humans,

878
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:27,480
and it's like it takes more than
thirty hours. No, no, do

879
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,800
you guys just going on the middle
of nowhere and like my you sh and

880
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,000
then say I think I think Jeff
and I both had experiences like we're gonna

881
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,320
get into Eve and then it's just
like, Okay, I guess I'm not.

882
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,079
That's you guys, have scrubs.
You know what I got into that

883
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,559
fucking dust five one four or that's
what I was. You were you were

884
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:51,679
affecting change in the Eve Online world. That's right, all them you were

885
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,039
fighting for all the battles. Yeah, they were going on, you know,

886
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:57,639
up a bow and I was down
there on the fly and dude,

887
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,000
that was all. I am super
n surprised to learn that is really Eve

888
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,360
I'll say an eighty, all right, eighty on the dot. Mike's locking

889
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,199
that and Jeff has his seventy six
Eve Online sin that sixty nine? Nice?

890
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,280
Nice? Yeah even lower. Jeff's
right. Defl's on the right path

891
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,280
there, I would. I'm actually
super interested to read those reviews. If

892
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,159
I think if you played only thirty
hours of even been miserable, I mean,

893
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:28,440
I think you put like two hundred
hours for the review. I don't

894
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:30,960
know, how do you. That's
the worst gape ever to have to review

895
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:37,960
like this was very much. We
must review everything still though, so who

896
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,440
knows. Anyways, Game number two
it's gonna be Mikey's pick Home World,

897
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,639
or at least for the PC.
August thirty first, nineteen ninety nine,

898
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:52,239
twenty critic reviews, People really liked
Homeworld. Is this the game that Jeff

899
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,639
bre pirated as Parents PC? Yes? What one? Ok, there's like

900
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:59,480
a handful I did that, SIP
three, couple others, basically everything before

901
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,280
we get into the story. I'm
gonna say ninety two. Oh okay,

902
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:10,239
people like this game. That's what
I was gonna say too. I will

903
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,679
go with a ninety one. Yeah. People, this was a game of

904
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,920
the Year contender for Mini PC outlets. All right, Homeworld over under ninety

905
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,360
two? Ninety one? It is
ninety three? Wow? Shit, jeez.

906
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,920
I'm like I was like, man, ninety three would be too high.

907
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,519
I'm a coward. Yeah. That
alright, very impressive there. Game

908
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:39,639
number three, Zeno Saga Episode one
Dared Wiles are mocked. I'm so sorry.

909
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,440
Canoe well uh PlayStation two, February
twenty six, two thousand and three,

910
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:50,480
thirty five correct reviews. Jeff,
Uh, Yeah, I'm gonna say

911
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,800
just AMEDI eighty six, immediate eighty
six. Yeah, just like yeah,

912
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,360
A lot of people are like calldam, I'm very excited for the next big

913
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:06,559
RPG. They loved it whiles,
they loved remarks and it just loves Germans

914
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,800
month. I just love that I
think people were really thrown off by just

915
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,280
how weird and Talkizenosaga was. It
got worse as the series win a long

916
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,440
I think, yeah, Mike,
you gotta be more in tune with this.

917
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:19,119
I'm interested to see what you say. Zeno Saga is a weird one

918
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,480
because I think I did rent it
and was immediately just not into it.

919
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:27,360
I think it was lower eighties,
maybe even more than that. But I'll

920
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:34,000
say in eighty one eighty one,
gotcha there? All right? Well,

921
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,719
whatever the hell this game is called? This in at and eighty three,

922
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:44,280
splin the difference a little bit there
between you, Okay, all right?

923
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,159
That is for the audio listeners,
mikey at fourteen, Jeff at twelve,

924
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,159
which means that Jeff is just barely
in the league for now. Probably my

925
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:59,440
way back first is a little bit
better game number four ft L faster than

926
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,239
Light, at least for the PCs
September fourteen, twenty twelve. This is

927
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,119
based on forty two critic reviews.
Mike, people really like this game,

928
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:16,679
for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna
say an eighty eight eighty eight okay,

929
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:22,360
saw score there is a fantastic game. I'm gonna go with a ninety okay,

930
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:25,480
ninety okay, not into the nineties. It's right on ninety. Yeah,

931
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:28,920
ninety. I think that's the safe
one. I was kind of think

932
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,480
of ninety even beforehand. I would
be happy it was higher than that.

933
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:37,440
All right, well let's see how
high it went. FTL send that an

934
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,719
eighty four man that I did it
for me. Right now, we're tied.

935
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,400
Shit, that's right, eighteen to
eighteen into the last round. When

936
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,639
you guys tie, you going to
the final one. It's so good though,

937
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,039
Final game number five, Jeff,
I need you to tell me what

938
00:56:54,159 --> 00:57:01,119
you think. Pray the Original for
Xbox three, July eleven, two thousand

939
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:07,559
and six, eighty crack Reviews has
imcrack dot com. I'm gonna go with

940
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:16,199
a the original Prey huh, no
Prey to, no Pray remake, just

941
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,840
Pray. I don't. I remember
this being kind of a middling game in

942
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,639
terms of the critical reception, but
how middling, I'm gonna go with a

943
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:37,400
seventy two all right, Mike.
I think I'm good because Pray, although

944
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,519
not a fantastic came out as a
very early Xbox or sixty game and everybody

945
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,480
was like pretty happy, like,
oh this is pretty fun. I think

946
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:50,679
Ghost recon Advanced Warfighters. I think
it was more of a I think it

947
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,440
was more of a low eighties.
So I will just say eighty eighty the

948
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:00,960
graw factor. Okay, okay,
Wow. It will be interesting to see

949
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,639
where this one lands. I'm curious
if it goes uh somewhere in the middle

950
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:08,480
between these two. I felt very
confident we'll see them being the early XPUS

951
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:19,280
three six. That's a good point. Pray the original seventy nine. Yeah,

952
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,760
wow, good Jeff, Mike was
one off. Jeff was seven off,

953
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:30,679
which means Mikey takes it nineteen to
twenty five. Rocket Chef Party Listeners

954
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:39,000
is a gift of a homemade rocket. But incredible. Thanks Banks, Benjie,

955
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:44,239
Thank you, Sean. All Right, Mike, we've been playing Starfield

956
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,039
until we talked about that. Anything
else real quick that you want to touch

957
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,960
on. I'm I've really enjoyed Armor
Armor Core six, but I only played

958
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,440
like the first mission. So glad
you're and I'm glad you're joy I'm really

959
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:59,119
happy. Dan's really good. That
was very surprising. Yeah, that's kind

960
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:01,599
of fun. So no, I'm
glad that he's been getting into that.

961
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:06,599
I had my debt or Alive Extreme
Beach Volleyball Stream, which was a lot

962
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:09,880
of like I had a fun time
with that game, but I can't belie.

963
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,239
You can't believe Christie's thought in that
or Alive Extreme three Shots of Crime.

964
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,559
She's not Extreme three. Well,
they kind of made you know,

965
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,960
they kind of made her uglier.
I think they eventually they're like this characters

966
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,920
to uh So basically she's not she's
not in the area because she's uglier because

967
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:30,000
because she's evil, they thought that. I don't know, they may hear

968
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,800
more like angular. I don't know, she started looking more like a seed.

969
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,199
People are some of the hottest people
that's taken off right now, dude,

970
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,800
Jerry got everyone look at her feet. Come, that's some my thing.

971
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,519
In fact, that's kind of straught
to find out that Christy was evil.

972
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,920
I just picked her because I liked
her. Like short hair. We

973
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,119
now we liked the short hair,
short hair, I like your ladies.

974
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:55,239
That's basically all win A lot of
short hair options and that are that are

975
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,880
alive. So that's why I picked
her, right But I had fun with

976
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,440
that. But I don't know,
I guess that's about It's there's been a

977
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,880
lot of Starfille, so it's interesting
to actually be able to talk about that.

978
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,079
Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, I think I was looking at

979
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,280
I played a little bit Madden,
but not played Bomb Rush, cyber Fund.

980
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,719
You can yeah, you can see
those things on Giant Bombs. So

981
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:22,440
I think I'm gonna do now is
I'm gonna hit this button and I'm gonna

982
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,039
ask mikey, where can people find
you on the internet? Well, there

983
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:30,920
won't be a new nineties Disney up
on the first. It's gonna be about

984
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:35,639
the Disney All Star Resorts. Please
check that out at nine zeros dot com.

985
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,960
Well, the podcast places. Man, we did a lot of stuff

986
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,320
today, Jeff yep. I'm gonna
do a lot more stuff tomorrow. And

987
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,039
I think we have but we both
because we get that that preview thing we're

988
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:50,360
working on, and then we got
Blight Club games mornings and at least I'm

989
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,199
play Club again. You can do. I think muse is available for right

990
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:58,559
did you say that? I gotta
find out, Mike if I need someone

991
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,280
can I don't know. If I
okay starts at ten thirty, you might

992
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,920
get someone. Sean, where could
people find you on the internet? They

993
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,119
can find me as Turbo Sean Shawn
on most places, sometimes with an underscore

994
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:14,239
I look from my face, you'll
find me if you're in the right spot.

995
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,559
And then uh yo, make sure
to follow Giant Bomb on all our

996
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:20,280
social media jail so you can see
all the goofy little clips that I do

997
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,760
for them, oftentimes involving these two
knuckleheads making absolute buffoons of themselves. We're

998
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,719
going to have that game as game
club discussions super metroly going up at some

999
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,159
point here. That's true, and
we neglected to mention the game club for

1000
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,320
this month is Starfield. So if
you want even more in depth discussion from

1001
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,880
me and Mike and the rest of
the game mess approve all the patrons.

1002
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,119
It will be at the end of
the month. Are you and the new

1003
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:49,920
Jeopardy is up for Patreon supporters and
you should watch it. Oh yeah with

1004
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,320
Red Valentine for the public speed yeah
the publican m A Fife. That new

1005
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:00,400
one is up for early if you
are a supporter. And then fun time

1006
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,800
yes the links, Yes, the
real, real, real good one.

1007
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,159
I had a lot of fun on
that, so people should watch it,

1008
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,559
watch it twice. Maybe is it
could be next one on Airplane for five

1009
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,639
hours and I don't want to do
anything. Yeah, well I don't know.

1010
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:14,199
I don't that will feel weird.
So I've not had a five hour

1011
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,320
stretch where I haven't had to do
anything and it's sleep. Yeah. We're

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not sitting next to each other.
We're on the same plane. We're not

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saying next each other. That's right
on the same and I'm not gonna make

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an effort to do that. I
hate when people switch seats. MIC just

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I don't care. Okay, cool, I'm going to sleep, Yeah,

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but don't want to say nextwo years. I'm just sleeping, lump over here

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by everybody. See it in Seattle, see your backs. Real they are

1018
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going to come for Zelda Hi donkey
whoa. Whoa is like a barrage.