WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.519 Second hour of the programming here on Exes and Bros. Throughout the Great State 2 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:32.759 of Michigan. Here on the Michigan Sports Network. We are live in Flint 3 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:37.840 on WTRX Sports Extra at thirteen thirty AL. We're on in Grand Rapids on 4 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:42.119 WAX ninety six point one FM, the Game in Cadillac WKD, The Ticket 5 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:47.399 ninety three point seven FM, and Grayling and Gaylord up North Sports Radio WGRY 6 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.679 one on one point one FM. The Tri City area carries us in Midland 7 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:55.719 in Saginaw and Bay City on the mid WLUN one hundred point nine FM. 8 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:03.480 In Potowski and Charlavoyd The Ticket Northern Michigan WMBN one oh four point seven FM, 9 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:10.560 and in Traverse City on the Ticket on WKAD ninety three point seven FM. 10 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.319 Ben is our producer. I'm Matt Shepard. Welcome to Exus and Bros. 11 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:19.000 We replayed the Dave Briquette interview from yesterday because well, we have different 12 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.920 listeners at different times, so I wanted to give those of you up and 13 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:27.319 early with us on a Wednesday morning the opportunity to listen to Dave a little 14 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:32.879 bit. We will a little bit later on a half hour from now, 15 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.799 we will discuss a little more football with Benjamin Raven. He's the writer for 16 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.359 m Live. He covers the Lions and the na NFL, so we will 17 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.959 talk to him coming up at the bottom of the hour. In case you 18 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:51.000 missed you yesterday, Tigers and Cardinals split. We started the show talking about 19 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.280 how managers get second guests, probably as much, if not more, than 20 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.560 offensive coordinators. It depends on who you want to talk to about that. 21 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.120 Let's not forget that they did win the nightcap win. Sil Perez had a 22 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.439 couple of home runs. First time in his major league career he has a 23 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.800 multi homer game. Good for him. Riley Green played well in both games. 24 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:14.439 NHL Toronto stayed alive with the two to one overtime winning Boston won a 25 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:20.960 game. Matthew Knives with his first career overtime playoff winner. John Tavares really 26 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.719 made the play. I mean he went strong to then I came up the 27 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:29.520 right side, went strong to the net, fended off the defenseman with one 28 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:37.560 hand and was able to get a shot on net, and then Knives was 29 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:43.000 there to bang in the rebound. Joseph Wall started for Toronto when Nett made 30 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.840 twenty eight saves. He was fantastic. Carolina double up the Oler to six 31 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.719 y three. They win the series in five games. Seth Jarvis had a 32 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.520 goal in too helpers. Carolina now gets the Rangers. That'll be a really 33 00:02:55.520 --> 00:03:01.120 good series. Carolina's big, they're strong, Rangers have a lot of depth. 34 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:06.400 It'll be fun. Nashville scores twice in the third day, edge Vancouver 35 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:13.000 two to one to stay alive, and Colorado beat Winnipeg, scoring three times 36 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.360 in the third. They win it six to three to win the series four 37 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:20.680 games to one. Miko Rattman had three points, two goals in the final 38 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.560 period in a span of about four minutes. He was a plus four, 39 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.879 took four shots. Abas won the last four games of the series. Not 40 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:35.919 surprised as the result, surprised at the number of games played. It was 41 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:46.000 a great series Colorado is. It's funny how does used to hate Colorado right 42 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:52.840 because of their rivalry with the Wings. Seriously, I mean hated him. 43 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.800 I don't care who was on that team. You respected Joe Sakik, you 44 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:02.840 respected Peter Forstburg, you had to respect Patrick Waugh, but you hated him 45 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:08.439 right, no doubt. Now you look at him and you're like, now, 46 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.479 that team's kind of team's really fun to watch. I wish I'd like 47 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:17.120 my team to be like that team. I would love to have that type 48 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:23.279 of talent. Colorado scored five goals or more in every single game. Winnipeg 49 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.079 became the first team in NHL history to allow five or more goals in each 50 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:32.600 of the first five games of the postseason. Avalanche outscored him twenty eight to 51 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:39.160 fifteen overall in the series. They're tough, man, It's gonna be really, 52 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:45.680 really tough. They are so well balanced. I'm talking about Colorado now. 53 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:53.079 Former Michigan player Andrew Cogniano's on that team. But Lecanon's really good. 54 00:04:53.199 --> 00:05:00.879 McKinnon's a star, He's a superstar. This cushion is this goal was a 55 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:05.279 plus three last night. Rattan and Ard told you about that. On the 56 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.079 blue line, you know, they got guys like Cale mccarr who's fantastic. 57 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:15.120 He's just he's one of the best defensemen in the world. Devin Taste is 58 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:21.319 pretty good too. Anyway, So Colorado advances in very impressive fashion. NBA 59 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:26.959 Sixers beat the Knicks one to twelve one oh six. Tyre Semaski or Maxie 60 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.720 rather pumped in forty six and had nine assists. Folks, he was the 61 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.920 twenty first pick in the twenty twenty draft. So we look like at the 62 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:40.759 twenty twenty draft, how many times do you hear Detroiter say, could have 63 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:46.720 had Tyres Helbert he was taken twelfth. Pistons blew it could have had him. 64 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.360 They chose Killy and Hayes seventh overall. Don't forget Tyrese Maxey because he 65 00:05:51.439 --> 00:06:00.360 was twenty first overall in that draft. When you have that debate, probably 66 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.120 not even a debate because no one's going to argue it, but when you 67 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:08.639 think about that draft, people will immediately go to Anthony Edwards. He was 68 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.399 the first overall pick out of Georgia. He was phenomenal. Here has been 69 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.879 phenomenal for Minnesota. Has turned that team around, that franchise around. They're 70 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:24.079 the one seed in the West tied to a franchise wrecord for regular season wins. 71 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:29.360 Then when James Wiseman, who's now a Piston and has not done anything 72 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:39.160 worthy of a number two overall pick, then LaMelo ball and after that go 73 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:43.759 ahead, and I mean, nobody's really done anything, but Halburton did at 74 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:48.879 twelve and then Maxi at twenty one. And this is what happens in the 75 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:56.360 NBA draft. Now I've said this for a long time. You need and 76 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.720 these two examples kind of fly in the face of that. But obviously Haliburton 77 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:03.879 should been a much higher pick. When he was at Iowa State, he 78 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:09.199 was a really good player. And I'm not afraid to admit that that's the 79 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:12.319 guy when I was talking to people back in twenty twenty, that's the guy 80 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:17.680 I wanted, but they were him or the other guy was Obi Toppin from 81 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.600 Dayton. I thought he was he was National Player of the Year, but 82 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:25.720 that's not the reason I wanted him. But those two guys were I'd never 83 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:30.160 seen Killian Hayes play because he was from France, So how the hell am 84 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:35.160 I going to know about Killian Hayes unless you watch video? And if you're 85 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:40.240 watching video, it's it's primarily the highlights, right, So I was completely 86 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:46.639 kind of out to lunch on that. But with the NBA, if you're 87 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.680 not getting a relatively high pick, good luck. It used to be a 88 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:56.079 seven round draft. We said this yesterday. We were we were talking about 89 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.399 different players. You know, somebody had brought up who was the more important 90 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.959 player for their franchise, Joe Dumars for the Pistons or Chris Osgod for the 91 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.319 for the Red Wings. So we were making those cases. Wh during the 92 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:13.480 Dumars draft, we had mentioned that it was, you know, a seven 93 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.120 round draft, and that Spud Web was also taken by the Pistons that year 94 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.160 in the fourth round. Never played for the Pistons, obviously. Now it's 95 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:28.680 a two round draft. It's much more international too, however, and a 96 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.879 lot of this probably has to do with coming out of out of college. 97 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:39.080 How much of these guys, How many of these guys are really impact players? 98 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:50.679 Like the Pistons took Sidique Bay in that twenty twenty draft out of Villanova. 99 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.679 Really like him a good player. I don't think he's a great player, 100 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:03.399 but taking nineteenth overall, actually Brooklyn took him I think anyway, but 101 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.840 he was nineteenth overall. Would you take him on your team coming off the 102 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.840 bench. Yeah. How many first rounders though, from that draft, for 103 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:18.360 example, are difference makers? There's not many, because there's a lot of 104 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:28.159 guys leaving college early and not really developing anyway. Really good performance by MAXI 105 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:33.279 to keep sixers hopes alive, Cavs edge d Magic one O four to one, 106 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.120 O three down of Mi. Mitchell had twenty it could have been a 107 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.759 Piston. Cleveland's up three to two and the Bucks over the Pacers one fifteen 108 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.919 ninety two Bobby Portis and Chris Middleton each with twenty nine. Indiana leaves that 109 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:48.159 series three games to Milwaukee has done this without Giannis Ante Tempo. Damian Lillard 110 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:52.279 did not play yesterday. They missed two of their superstars, and yet they 111 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.120 still win. That's interesting. Tells you something about that team a little bit, 112 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.120 although Indiana will probably knock him out game six. 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Hey, 130 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.759 All morning long. I I have misspoken. It is eight thirty five 131 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:07.799 Benjamin Raven eight to thirty five, So my apologies if you were appointment listening 132 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.200 at seven thirty five, but it's going to be an eight thirty five with 133 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.600 Ben Raven to talk a little Lions tomorrow. James Edwards of the Athletical join 134 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.759 us at eight to thirty five as well. But yeah, Ben Raven today 135 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:26.519 eight thirty five. I hope you can enjoy that opportunity, and maybe if 136 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.799 you have a question or a comment or two, feel free to pass it 137 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.399 along. We'll make sure we asked that of Ben as well. Welcome back 138 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.720 Exes and bros. Here across the great state of Michigan. I know we 139 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.879 got some texts that we want to get to for sure, and we will 140 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.279 do that. But before we get ruled in here, I just wanted to 141 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:50.279 you know, we'd mentioned Jack Flaherty and the seven strikeouts to start a game 142 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:56.480 that tie the American League record. We mentioned Jack Flaherty and the Tigers overall, 143 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.480 unfortunately falling to one in Game one, but coming back and taking care 144 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:07.039 of business. I'm sure you've already noticed this, but I hope more and 145 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:18.840 more companies like Nike our understanding this. The problem with the uniforms, the 146 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:24.799 jerseys. You've noticed it right away, the uniforms with Major League Baseball. 147 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.480 I don't wear them, so I can't say how it feels. I can 148 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.600 tell you how it looks in my opinion. And I can tell you how 149 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:41.080 the back of the jersey with the name on it doesn't look great either. 150 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:48.240 I know Brandon Nimo's not happy with it. He said that. I think 151 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.240 this past weekend he said that the team has been unable to wear their black 152 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:58.279 and blue uniforms because they don't have the correct pants. Now, that's obviously 153 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.919 a problem. You got a thirteen billion dollar industry had a tough time getting 154 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.879 pants. It's a pretty important part of the wardrobe, don't you think? 155 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.240 Yeah, but you it really comes especially when guys are coming out of the 156 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.080 bullpen, like I was watching yesterday and Jason Foley's trotting out there, and 157 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.759 like, the name just looks horrible. Wrong font, wrong size, just 158 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:31.360 looks bad. It makes me wonder. I don't know why my brain goes 159 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.000 here, but it does make me wonder when teams are making this or not 160 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:41.519 teams, when the league is making this decision, how does that go? 161 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:48.759 Are they around a conference table with coffee and danishes and looking at a presentation, 162 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.120 and when they show the back of the jersey and you see the thin 163 00:14:54.799 --> 00:15:01.159 lines that make up someone's name, everyone's in agreement, saying, yeah, 164 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.360 that looks really good. Then suddenly you see it on TV and you go, 165 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.559 wait a minute, that's not what I thought I was going to get, 166 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:15.879 Like, who makes these decisions thinking this looks good for the league? 167 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.440 Not to mention, you know, obviously the pants are a problem. Obviously 168 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:31.440 the texture and the type of the type of material used is an issue. 169 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:41.200 But just the look itself from Nike, is it one big sellout? What 170 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:46.279 are you having them handle your business for anyway? I mean, you're a 171 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.240 thirteen billion dollar business and that's what you end up with. I mean, 172 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.600 I'd love to know what the prototypes look like before you decided on that one. 173 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:03.799 Doesn't it make you go, man, who's in charge? Is there 174 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.919 anybody who has an ounce of common sense with a lot of this stuff? 175 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:12.519 And it's not just baseball, by the way, I mean, it's in 176 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.799 a lot of sports and a lot of businesses, it's in government, it's 177 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.799 a lot of that stuff. We are looking at it. You're going, 178 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:26.240 there's no way somebody can be that blind to be making that decision because it's 179 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.440 universally panned. Players don't like it. Why don't you bring a player in? 180 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.440 This is the same thing with the new rules. You know, when 181 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.039 Baseball implemented the new rules a couple of years ago. How many managers did 182 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:47.320 they talk to. None. It's decided by people who aren't playing or managing 183 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:56.120 the game. How much sense does that make None? I think. I 184 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:02.360 think this happens in in in our society far too often, where you have 185 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.680 people who feel like they're the smartest guy in the room all the time, 186 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:12.880 and they just feel like in order to justify their title and their existence, 187 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:19.079 you have to make the decisions. It's almost like it's a sign of weakness. 188 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:25.720 If you ask somebody who works beneath you, who you've hired, for 189 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:34.559 their opinion, that's a joke. Managers are going to be making the decision 190 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:41.440 that are going to affect players, affect franchises, affect their careers, but 191 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.039 they don't have a say in any of the new rules. Weird, right, 192 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:53.000 Bring players in, bring managers in. Those are the ones that are 193 00:17:53.000 --> 00:18:00.400 affected. Anyway, there's going to be a change. Long story short, 194 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:07.680 Major League Baseball is going to correct the uniform quote unquote flaws. According to 195 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:15.880 the MLB Players Association memo obtained by ESPN's Jeff Passing, larger lettering on the 196 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.640 uniform backs, making sure the uniform colors match, well, that's a good 197 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:27.359 idea, and aren't as prone to showing sweat, plus fixing the pants. 198 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.000 Why do we always feel like we need to fix something that's not broken. 199 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:45.119 Think of this. Major League Baseball in the off season thought it was a 200 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.000 good idea to go with the company. I mean, maybe you're afraid to 201 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.680 criticize Nike. I don't know, maybe they wield that much power. It's 202 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:59.559 possible, I suppose. But they went into the off season and they said, 203 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.359 you know, let's let's get new uniforms. There's nothing wrong with the 204 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.799 old ones, but let's get new ones. What are we gonna do. 205 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:14.759 We're gonna put really thin lettering, so it's harder to see. The colors 206 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.839 aren't going to be quite the same as before. And I'm sure they sure 207 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.839 didn't expect uniforms that show sweat, even though you would have thought there was 208 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:32.920 some type of study to do this. And they're gonna make that change. 209 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.599 But let's not consult to people who matter most. Let's just do this on 210 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:45.720 our own. Isn't it worse to have to go back and say you were 211 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:52.559 wrong rather than consulting somebody who you think may not or doesn't deserve to have 212 00:19:52.640 --> 00:20:00.440 the final authority. Would you rather be right? I would? I think 213 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:06.559 it's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous that you did this in the first place, not 214 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:11.160 that you got to go back to it. Honestly, you watched all the 215 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.759 games a year ago. You're seeing guys' names on the back of their jerseys. 216 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.039 Did it look bad? I mean, was there ever a topic of 217 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.359 discussion at the dinner table while you're watching the Tigers play, and you're going, 218 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.200 you know what, I really don't like the way Riley Green's name is 219 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:33.839 displayed on his back. I really wish they were thinner letters. You would 220 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.680 think that's somewhat insignificant, right, And yet Baseball felt like, you know, 221 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.799 here's what we need to do. If we wanted to sell more jerseys, 222 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:48.319 how about making the names thinner. That's a good idea. The pushback 223 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:59.960 has been constant and aggressive, and rightfully so. Now Baseball says this isn't 224 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.640 tiredly been a Nike issue. At its core, what has happened here is 225 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.640 that Nike was innovating something that didn't need to be innovated. Neither did you, 226 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:17.359 Baseball? You hit the final say eight thirty five. Ben Raven will 227 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.599 join us from mlive. We'll talk a little lions. 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I want to see this team 261 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.079 win because I haven't seen them win in a long time. I've made the 262 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:21.640 case. Tell me if I'm wrong, or maybe you feel differently, you 263 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:27.839 don't mind if you see some type of team dominate for a long time. 264 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:33.920 Let's call it destiny or a dynasty. I should say, you don't mind 265 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.400 a dynasty as long as it's your dynasty. You love when the Wings won 266 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:42.960 Stanley Cups four years or four times in an eleven year span. You love 267 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.799 that stuff. Love the fact that the Pistons went to the NBA Finals three 268 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.200 straight years. At some point people outside of that market say all right, 269 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.000 no more, I'm done with them. They may have felt that about the 270 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:00.000 New England Patriots some people may be thinking about that with the Kansas City Chief 271 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.200 Yeves, but I think overall, a lot of people like the underdog. 272 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:11.599 I think people forget Duke in North Carolina and Kentucky in the final four. 273 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.960 We want somebody else. We want somebody fresh. I don't know if that'll 274 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:23.279 happen with Yukon or not, but we want somebody fresh. When you see 275 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:27.799 a guy like Tyrese Maxi, who's the twenty first overall pick, score for 276 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:33.559 seventeen points in the final quarter and make big shot after big shot, a 277 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:41.480 lean in three to get his team even, or a close to a logo 278 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:48.079 Caitlin Clark like three to get his team tied up to force overtime, it's 279 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.880 pretty cool because there's a lot of teams that passed on him. When you 280 00:25:52.880 --> 00:26:00.960 see Jalen Brunson, who was a second round draft pick, dominate, and 281 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:07.200 he does. He dominates the game. When you see him do what he 282 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.160 does on a regular basis. This year really the last couple of years, 283 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:18.160 but this year's been his quote unquote coming out party and he had forty last 284 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:26.599 night, I think it's pretty cool. I may feel differently if it's constant 285 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.559 for those guys and they burn my team. It may be a little different, 286 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:37.480 but they haven't. It's not like they prevented the Pistons from going anywhere. 287 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.799 So I don't care. If they did, then I might feel differently. 288 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.599 But I think those are two really cool stories. Those are really good 289 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:53.880 underdog stories. Meyer hotline is eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty 290 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.279 three. Ben, I know we got some texts. Yeah, we actually 291 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.519 got a caller too, if you want to go to him. Okay, 292 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.400 let's do that. Yeah, it's David Hudsonville. Nice Dave, Thanks for 293 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.119 listening to Hudsonville. How are you hey? Good morning, chef? Were 294 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:14.920 you you know as a as a Tigers fan of fifty year Tiger fan or 295 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.319 fifty five years. But one of the things I appreciate about aj Hinch is 296 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.519 just much better at bats this year. You know, our roster and we 297 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.160 have a couple of other professional players, and you see like Mark Kanna or 298 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.200 Geo Orshella and those guys, and last year we just gave up Sony of 299 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.720 bats. You know a lot of guys that couldn't put the bat on the 300 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.480 ball. And then you get Perez who's shocking everyone right now. But you 301 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.680 can start to see this team become more competitive and professional, both defensively and 302 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:47.279 just with more professional bats. And certainly our pitching staff as has expanded and 303 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.839 seems in a better place too. And then my other top I wanted to 304 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:56.559 say is so I think the happiest guy in Michigan Athletics is Warton Manual and 305 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.920 I think Wardon Manuel went through some really challenging times with both Jim Harbaugh and 306 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.799 Juwan Howard and it really didn't come out. I think Wardon Manual needs gets 307 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:10.119 a lot of credit for the National Championship because I think at his risk he 308 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:15.480 kind of embarrassed Harbaugh by cutting his salary, which probably jump started Harbaugh to 309 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.000 go back and pay attention. Then he also had a ride with Manual. 310 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.400 I think Ward Manual Michigan's going to go through some tough times because Harbaugh left 311 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.680 to get a bag of money and left Michigan holding the bag. But it's 312 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.559 whatever means necessary for the National Championship. But I think Dusty May is going 313 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.000 to rock some things and Manuel is going to have a better life in front 314 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.599 of it. Let me ask you this, those are interesting comst's. Let's 315 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.079 take it one at a time. The Tigers, I find that fascinating, 316 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.279 And I give you a lot of credit because you're looking at the at bats, 317 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.359 not the production, Because if you looked at the production, you would 318 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:51.440 say, this team offensively is struggling. This team offensively is not good. 319 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.400 Period. I don't look at batting appage, you look at slug You look 320 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.319 at OPS plus. Okay, and OPS plus takes into account where you play 321 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.480 the game. It's not just at home, okay, it's whatever ballpark right 322 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.880 now? Not good. What have you noticed about the at bats that has 323 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:15.920 left you encouraged besides Kenna and Herschellow who seems constantly hurt. Yeah, one 324 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.279 of the things, I think they're taking a lot more pitches, you know, 325 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.720 I mean, especially like Riley Green up on top of the order or 326 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.799 whatever. But they have guys now in Canna that are just they have better 327 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.000 professional hitting zones, and you know they're not chasing. You know, Jake 328 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.960 Rogers still gets a little happy when he pulls the trigger a little earlier. 329 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.880 Whatever it may be. But you know, Jake Rogers still has you know, 330 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:38.839 gives you some thunder in his bat. But I like Jake riders a 331 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.880 ton but with a lot of guys, and Bias is always going to be 332 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.400 bias. He's off the plate and he's going to be chasing, he's going 333 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.960 to be sweep swinging. But for the most part, the other guys that 334 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.519 they've had, boy oh boy, I just think the quality of their bats, 335 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.200 as far as the number of pitches they take and the swings they get 336 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.240 at balls in the zone have improved. Good. That's that's a really good 337 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.640 take. I love it. You know. The only thing I would say 338 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.640 is this bias being biased. That's part of your job is to make sure 339 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:14.440 you change him if it's not working. Sojavy or Bias, they made it 340 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.119 a point of the last two years. They made it a point in the 341 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:22.440 off season to talk with him and address him about what he needs to do 342 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.839 better. And we haven't seen it. If we can get medals going back 343 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.279 with some confidence at the play because he's got so many tools, he runs 344 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.200 like a deer and he goes and gets it and he's got some power. 345 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.200 But if Meadows can just go back and start to move the ball for the 346 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.200 Battle of Bass, he could be electric to just you know, giving him 347 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.079 some stuff. Yeah, yeah, no doubt, especially as a base dealer 348 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:47.920 one hundred percent. Now the Michigan thing is interesting because I don't know how 349 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.680 much I'm going to give ward manual credit for the National Championship. I personally 350 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.519 think that's all Jim Harbaugh and his staff. But my my frustration a little 351 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.960 bit. You know, Dusty May appears to be a very good hire. 352 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.240 We'll see, Okay, it's too early, but the Juwan Howard hire was 353 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.400 not a good one. Tracy Smith as a baseball coach has not been a 354 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:14.519 good one. Brandon Narrato obviously forced your hand because he reached the National Championship 355 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:15.880 game his first year, So what are you going to do? Fire him? 356 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.440 I wonder about the Sharon Moore though, and the reason I wonder. 357 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.160 I don't think he was going anywhere. I'm not saying he didn't deserve the 358 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.519 job. I'm saying he see. I think athletic directors you got to hire 359 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.920 coaches, you got a fundraise, okay, and you got to handle the 360 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.880 right coaches. So obviously Juwan Howard was the wrong coach. I don't care 361 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.920 what anybody says. It was the wrong coach, no matter his success and 362 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:42.759 when he first got there or not, he didn't represent the university. Well, 363 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:47.759 Sharon Moore is interesting. Just from this standpoint, I think you could 364 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.480 have gone out and talked to a lot of different candidates and still come to 365 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.880 the conclusion that Sharon Moore is your guy. But did you do enough to 366 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:04.079 at least explore the full gamut of opportunities for that head coach? Oh, 367 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.119 I, chef, I agree with you, And I think this too. 368 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.279 I think part of the calculus is Michigan's on probation for a while, and 369 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.319 they've got the one already from the harbor, you know, recruiting piece, 370 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.279 but they're going to get the second one, most likely from you know, 371 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.519 the And I think that part of the calculus is, Hey, we're going 372 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.559 to just have to have somebody, you know, sit through this probation for 373 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.559 a few years. You know. I give it to Sharon Moore. Let's 374 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.440 do what we got. At the end of the day, he can. 375 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.640 He can kind of basically keep all the dirty laundry and and and he holds 376 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.519 the bag for what Harbaugh did or under his I mean, Harbaugh's a great 377 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.559 football coaching. Yes, they won all the games on their schedule, all 378 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.119 credit to them. If you look at their schedules though they didn't play a 379 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.599 football game last year until game eight, maybe even nine, you know what 380 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.359 I mean, And look at their schedule this year compared to last year. 381 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.440 But you can only play the games on your schedule. But Harbaugh had a 382 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:59.720 hot mess of an administrative program outside with Shimmy Schimbeckler, the recruiting thing, 383 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.240 you know, Spygate was Conner Stallions. I mean, it was two sides 384 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.960 of the house and one side was a mess. And Harbaugh's arrogance was part 385 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.559 of what made Michigan competitive on the field, but I think it's also what 386 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.480 created some of this challenge I'll have off the field. But I think the 387 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.880 war is going to hold the bag and they could have got nobody else gets 388 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:22.359 that job if those circumstances of the National championship and the probation probably come that 389 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.599 way for him. I think it was a perfect storm. It's well said, 390 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.839 thank you love the call, appreciate it, have a great day. 391 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.599 It was fantastic call. I'm not as far as the you know the schedule, 392 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.640 You're right, you can only play the schedule in front of you. 393 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:43.039 I think people have to remind themselves when you schedule games. Most of them. 394 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.279 The conference is one thing. The reason Michigan schedule this year is going 395 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.599 to be so much more difficult because look at the teams who've been added to 396 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.799 the Big Ten. You already know that, but when you schedule ahead your 397 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.599 tea, you don't know what those teams are going to be like when you're 398 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:04.960 scheduling them four and five years ahead. Now, East Carolina UNLV, Bowling 399 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.760 Green, Right, those are the three teams. Come on, I never 400 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:14.639 knock a team in a Power five conference, especially in that division in the 401 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:22.159 Power five Conference, for trying to get their legs underneath them in a perfect 402 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.920 world for television and for fandom, because you want your money's worth when you 403 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.519 go to the Big House or Spartan Stadium, wherever it may be, you 404 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.519 want to see a really good team play. I don't blame you one bit. 405 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.199 I'm looking at it from an athletic director and a head coaching situation. 406 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.119 I want to make sure my team gets off to a really good start. 407 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.960 I don't necessarily need Texas in Week two. That's what they're going to get 408 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.360 this year. Now, I'm not suggesting you load your team schedule up with 409 00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.519 Arkansas State, who they get in week three, you get a half decent 410 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.760 team in Fresno State, you do get. I believe Michigan has the first 411 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.960 five games at home Fresno State, Texas, Arkansas State, USC, Minnesota. 412 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:15.679 Those are all at home. Two teams expected to be really tough Texas 413 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:21.000 and USC. Right, although USC just lost their quarterback, right, Caleb 414 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.960 Williams gone, so we'll have to wait and see. Minnesota widely viewed as 415 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.880 a less than Big ten team. So you're getting your test in week two, 416 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:37.079 fair to say absolutely. Last year, when did you get your first 417 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.519 test? As you just mentioned, he would say week eight, maybe week 418 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.679 nine. Week eight was Michigan State. They beat him forty nine to nothing. 419 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:54.239 Week nine was Perdue, they beat him forty one to thirteen. That's 420 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:59.440 up to That's up to you to determine in your own mind who was the 421 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:06.679 toughest test. Just because Michigan beat the brakes off most of their opponents doesn't 422 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:13.880 mean that it wasn't supposed to be a test. Who knows. It's a 423 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:15.760 great caller. Let's get to some texts. Appreciate it very much. That's 424 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.760 one of the best calls I've had ever hosting the show. Quite honestly, 425 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.920 somebody who knows what the hell they're talking about and got right to it. 426 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.880 Ben, Yeah, what else we got? This one goes back to the 427 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:32.199 Tigers, says I wish aj Hinch would stop pulling starters early. Flatterty was 428 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.679 pitching great, so the philosophy was to pull him out so he doesn't lose 429 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:43.000 a great pitcher. I thought we learned more from adversity in life than babying. 430 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.199 I'm tired of it. Kudos to Avila for signing a sixteen year old 431 00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:57.599 Perez. Yes, went so, Perez has come into his own. How 432 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.079 many is too many? Flirty hit ninety three pitches? I don't know if 433 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:07.519 there's a pitch count. I think it's about how a guy throws. When 434 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:14.280 you only give up two hits and you've got fourteen punch outs, obviously you're 435 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:20.360 doing something. You're doing something right. You've got them off balance. Is 436 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:25.400 it the third time through? What is it? Well? He has his 437 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:32.280 reasons. In fairness to aj Hinch, it sure didn't look like it was 438 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.480 the wrong time to pull Jack Flirty. Does he have to throw a perfect 439 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.400 game or I mean a full game, a complete game. You just don't 440 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:47.199 see that any longer. Unfortunately, you got guys in the bullpen who are 441 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.880 supposed to I got no problem turning a game over to in a certain situation, 442 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:57.599 especially the lefty on lefty. Andrew Chafin can get reverse. His reverse 443 00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:04.800 splits are really good, so I got no problem going to Chaffin and Foley. 444 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.480 My question is if Jason full if the Tigers win that game, are 445 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.840 you saying the same thing. You're probably not, but you're saying it because 446 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:21.639 he made the last switch. I have no issue with him going as long 447 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:28.039 as he did. Kyle Gibson was pretty damn good. Marmau pulled him after 448 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.440 right around the same number of pitches ninety eight. He lasted seven innings, 449 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.800 so he got one more out than Jack Flaherty. What's the big deal? 450 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.800 I want listen. I'm not saying that the Texter is saying this, but 451 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.400 I want it back the way it used to be. Two. I want 452 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:54.000 starters to go longer. You have thirteen pitchers now on a team, Okay, 453 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:04.559 I would love to see more pitchers throw complete games like it used to 454 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:12.199 be. You don't see that anymore. For some reason or another, you 455 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:19.719 just don't see complete games. Excuse me, it's bothersome. I don't get 456 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:24.119 it. I really don't, But they don't. You know, all this 457 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:30.199 taxing of the arms. You talk to some old school guys and they'll say, 458 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.920 you know what, here's what you do. Stop throwing so much in 459 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:40.840 the offseason. Wait for a little bit, let your arm rest. Different 460 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:49.679 studies, different philosophies for different teams and different coaching staffs. But I understand 461 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:57.039 the frustration, I really do. I just don't think that. I think 462 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:01.960 you have certain guys in certain situations for a reason. Think of this. 463 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:09.119 There's only six men, it's early six men who've thrown a complete game so 464 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:14.920 far this year. That's it. Six last year. Do you know what 465 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.320 the league leader was in complete games? This will frustrate the living hell out 466 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:24.920 of you. Complete games. Who led the Major League Baseball in complete games? 467 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:34.400 Any idea? There were two in twenty twenty three. Sandy Alcantra from 468 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:40.920 Miami started twenty eight games, completed three. The other was Jordan Lyles, 469 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:51.880 who Jordan Lyles of Kansas City three complete games? Those are your leaders in 470 00:40:51.960 --> 00:41:01.000 Major League Baseball? How far or how big of a difference that truly is? 471 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:08.119 Or is it? Because in nineteen ninety it's a long time ago, 472 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:15.519 but in nineteen ninety the league leader in complete games was Ramon Martinez with twelve. 473 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.079 We're not going back to Mickey Lolich. I hate to tell you, 474 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:29.519 even though you and I probably would like that. Nineteen eighty, Rick Langford 475 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.960 led all of baseball in complete games with twenty eight. He completed as many 476 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:44.840 games in nineteen eighty as Sandy Alcantra started a year ago. There's your perspective. 477 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.159 That's how different it is today. Quick time out back with the final 478 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.800 hour, Exes and bros. 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