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Ben is our producer. I'm Matt Shepard. Welcome to Exus and Bros.
We replayed the Dave Briquette interview from yesterday because well, we have different
listeners at different times, so I wanted to give those of you up and
early with us on a Wednesday morning the opportunity to listen to Dave a little
bit. We will a little bit later on a half hour from now,
we will discuss a little more football with Benjamin Raven. He's the writer for
m Live. He covers the Lions and the na NFL, so we will
talk to him coming up at the bottom of the hour. In case you
missed you yesterday, Tigers and Cardinals split. We started the show talking about
how managers get second guests, probably as much, if not more, than
offensive coordinators. It depends on who you want to talk to about that.
Let's not forget that they did win the nightcap win. Sil Perez had a
couple of home runs. First time in his major league career he has a
multi homer game. Good for him. Riley Green played well in both games.
NHL Toronto stayed alive with the two to one overtime winning Boston won a
game. Matthew Knives with his first career overtime playoff winner. John Tavares really
made the play. I mean he went strong to then I came up the
right side, went strong to the net, fended off the defenseman with one
hand and was able to get a shot on net, and then Knives was
there to bang in the rebound. Joseph Wall started for Toronto when Nett made
twenty eight saves. He was fantastic. Carolina double up the Oler to six
y three. They win the series in five games. Seth Jarvis had a
goal in too helpers. Carolina now gets the Rangers. That'll be a really
good series. Carolina's big, they're strong, Rangers have a lot of depth.
It'll be fun. Nashville scores twice in the third day, edge Vancouver
two to one to stay alive, and Colorado beat Winnipeg, scoring three times
in the third. They win it six to three to win the series four
games to one. Miko Rattman had three points, two goals in the final
period in a span of about four minutes. He was a plus four,
took four shots. Abas won the last four games of the series. Not
surprised as the result, surprised at the number of games played. It was
a great series Colorado is. It's funny how does used to hate Colorado right
because of their rivalry with the Wings. Seriously, I mean hated him.
I don't care who was on that team. You respected Joe Sakik, you
respected Peter Forstburg, you had to respect Patrick Waugh, but you hated him
right, no doubt. Now you look at him and you're like, now,
that team's kind of team's really fun to watch. I wish I'd like
my team to be like that team. I would love to have that type
of talent. Colorado scored five goals or more in every single game. Winnipeg
became the first team in NHL history to allow five or more goals in each
of the first five games of the postseason. Avalanche outscored him twenty eight to
fifteen overall in the series. They're tough, man, It's gonna be really,
really tough. They are so well balanced. I'm talking about Colorado now.
Former Michigan player Andrew Cogniano's on that team. But Lecanon's really good.
McKinnon's a star, He's a superstar. This cushion is this goal was a
plus three last night. Rattan and Ard told you about that. On the
blue line, you know, they got guys like Cale mccarr who's fantastic.
He's just he's one of the best defensemen in the world. Devin Taste is
pretty good too. Anyway, So Colorado advances in very impressive fashion. NBA
Sixers beat the Knicks one to twelve one oh six. Tyre Semaski or Maxie
rather pumped in forty six and had nine assists. Folks, he was the
twenty first pick in the twenty twenty draft. So we look like at the
twenty twenty draft, how many times do you hear Detroiter say, could have
had Tyres Helbert he was taken twelfth. Pistons blew it could have had him.
They chose Killy and Hayes seventh overall. Don't forget Tyrese Maxey because he
was twenty first overall in that draft. When you have that debate, probably
not even a debate because no one's going to argue it, but when you
think about that draft, people will immediately go to Anthony Edwards. He was
the first overall pick out of Georgia. He was phenomenal. Here has been
phenomenal for Minnesota. Has turned that team around, that franchise around. They're
the one seed in the West tied to a franchise wrecord for regular season wins.
Then when James Wiseman, who's now a Piston and has not done anything
worthy of a number two overall pick, then LaMelo ball and after that go
ahead, and I mean, nobody's really done anything, but Halburton did at
twelve and then Maxi at twenty one. And this is what happens in the
NBA draft. Now I've said this for a long time. You need and
these two examples kind of fly in the face of that. But obviously Haliburton
should been a much higher pick. When he was at Iowa State, he
was a really good player. And I'm not afraid to admit that that's the
guy when I was talking to people back in twenty twenty, that's the guy
I wanted, but they were him or the other guy was Obi Toppin from
Dayton. I thought he was he was National Player of the Year, but
that's not the reason I wanted him. But those two guys were I'd never
seen Killian Hayes play because he was from France, So how the hell am
I going to know about Killian Hayes unless you watch video? And if you're
watching video, it's it's primarily the highlights, right, So I was completely
kind of out to lunch on that. But with the NBA, if you're
not getting a relatively high pick, good luck. It used to be a
seven round draft. We said this yesterday. We were we were talking about
different players. You know, somebody had brought up who was the more important
player for their franchise, Joe Dumars for the Pistons or Chris Osgod for the
for the Red Wings. So we were making those cases. Wh during the
Dumars draft, we had mentioned that it was, you know, a seven
round draft, and that Spud Web was also taken by the Pistons that year
in the fourth round. Never played for the Pistons, obviously. Now it's
a two round draft. It's much more international too, however, and a
lot of this probably has to do with coming out of out of college.
How much of these guys, How many of these guys are really impact players?
Like the Pistons took Sidique Bay in that twenty twenty draft out of Villanova.
Really like him a good player. I don't think he's a great player,
but taking nineteenth overall, actually Brooklyn took him I think anyway, but
he was nineteenth overall. Would you take him on your team coming off the
bench. Yeah. How many first rounders though, from that draft, for
example, are difference makers? There's not many, because there's a lot of
guys leaving college early and not really developing anyway. Really good performance by MAXI
to keep sixers hopes alive, Cavs edge d Magic one O four to one,
O three down of Mi. Mitchell had twenty it could have been a
Piston. Cleveland's up three to two and the Bucks over the Pacers one fifteen
ninety two Bobby Portis and Chris Middleton each with twenty nine. Indiana leaves that
series three games to Milwaukee has done this without Giannis Ante Tempo. Damian Lillard
did not play yesterday. They missed two of their superstars, and yet they
still win. That's interesting. Tells you something about that team a little bit,
although Indiana will probably knock him out game six. Bottom of the hour,
we talk a little more NFL and Detroit Lions with MLIVE Pete Ruter Benjamin
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All morning long. I I have misspoken. It is eight thirty five
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at seven thirty five, but it's going to be an eight thirty five with
Ben Raven to talk a little Lions tomorrow. James Edwards of the Athletical join
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eight thirty five. I hope you can enjoy that opportunity, and maybe if
you have a question or a comment or two, feel free to pass it
along. We'll make sure we asked that of Ben as well. Welcome back
Exes and bros. Here across the great state of Michigan. I know we
got some texts that we want to get to for sure, and we will
do that. But before we get ruled in here, I just wanted to
you know, we'd mentioned Jack Flaherty and the seven strikeouts to start a game
that tie the American League record. We mentioned Jack Flaherty and the Tigers overall,
unfortunately falling to one in Game one, but coming back and taking care
of business. I'm sure you've already noticed this, but I hope more and
more companies like Nike our understanding this. The problem with the uniforms, the
jerseys. You've noticed it right away, the uniforms with Major League Baseball.
I don't wear them, so I can't say how it feels. I can
tell you how it looks in my opinion. And I can tell you how
the back of the jersey with the name on it doesn't look great either.
I know Brandon Nimo's not happy with it. He said that. I think
this past weekend he said that the team has been unable to wear their black
and blue uniforms because they don't have the correct pants. Now, that's obviously
a problem. You got a thirteen billion dollar industry had a tough time getting
pants. It's a pretty important part of the wardrobe, don't you think?
Yeah, but you it really comes especially when guys are coming out of the
bullpen, like I was watching yesterday and Jason Foley's trotting out there, and
like, the name just looks horrible. Wrong font, wrong size, just
looks bad. It makes me wonder. I don't know why my brain goes
here, but it does make me wonder when teams are making this or not
teams, when the league is making this decision, how does that go?
Are they around a conference table with coffee and danishes and looking at a presentation,
and when they show the back of the jersey and you see the thin
lines that make up someone's name, everyone's in agreement, saying, yeah,
that looks really good. Then suddenly you see it on TV and you go,
wait a minute, that's not what I thought I was going to get,
Like, who makes these decisions thinking this looks good for the league?
Not to mention, you know, obviously the pants are a problem. Obviously
the texture and the type of the type of material used is an issue.
But just the look itself from Nike, is it one big sellout? What
are you having them handle your business for anyway? I mean, you're a
thirteen billion dollar business and that's what you end up with. I mean,
I'd love to know what the prototypes look like before you decided on that one.
Doesn't it make you go, man, who's in charge? Is there
anybody who has an ounce of common sense with a lot of this stuff?
And it's not just baseball, by the way, I mean, it's in
a lot of sports and a lot of businesses, it's in government, it's
a lot of that stuff. We are looking at it. You're going,
there's no way somebody can be that blind to be making that decision because it's
universally panned. Players don't like it. Why don't you bring a player in?
This is the same thing with the new rules. You know, when
Baseball implemented the new rules a couple of years ago. How many managers did
they talk to. None. It's decided by people who aren't playing or managing
the game. How much sense does that make None? I think. I
think this happens in in in our society far too often, where you have
people who feel like they're the smartest guy in the room all the time,
and they just feel like in order to justify their title and their existence,
you have to make the decisions. It's almost like it's a sign of weakness.
If you ask somebody who works beneath you, who you've hired, for
their opinion, that's a joke. Managers are going to be making the decision
that are going to affect players, affect franchises, affect their careers, but
they don't have a say in any of the new rules. Weird, right,
Bring players in, bring managers in. Those are the ones that are
affected. Anyway, there's going to be a change. Long story short,
Major League Baseball is going to correct the uniform quote unquote flaws. According to
the MLB Players Association memo obtained by ESPN's Jeff Passing, larger lettering on the
uniform backs, making sure the uniform colors match, well, that's a good
idea, and aren't as prone to showing sweat, plus fixing the pants.
Why do we always feel like we need to fix something that's not broken.
Think of this. Major League Baseball in the off season thought it was a
good idea to go with the company. I mean, maybe you're afraid to
criticize Nike. I don't know, maybe they wield that much power. It's
possible, I suppose. But they went into the off season and they said,
you know, let's let's get new uniforms. There's nothing wrong with the
old ones, but let's get new ones. What are we gonna do.
We're gonna put really thin lettering, so it's harder to see. The colors
aren't going to be quite the same as before. And I'm sure they sure
didn't expect uniforms that show sweat, even though you would have thought there was
some type of study to do this. And they're gonna make that change.
But let's not consult to people who matter most. Let's just do this on
our own. Isn't it worse to have to go back and say you were
wrong rather than consulting somebody who you think may not or doesn't deserve to have
the final authority. Would you rather be right? I would? I think
it's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous that you did this in the first place, not
that you got to go back to it. Honestly, you watched all the
games a year ago. You're seeing guys' names on the back of their jerseys.
Did it look bad? I mean, was there ever a topic of
discussion at the dinner table while you're watching the Tigers play, and you're going,
you know what, I really don't like the way Riley Green's name is
displayed on his back. I really wish they were thinner letters. You would
think that's somewhat insignificant, right, And yet Baseball felt like, you know,
here's what we need to do. If we wanted to sell more jerseys,
how about making the names thinner. That's a good idea. The pushback
has been constant and aggressive, and rightfully so. Now Baseball says this isn't
tiredly been a Nike issue. At its core, what has happened here is
that Nike was innovating something that didn't need to be innovated. Neither did you,
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About an hour from now, we will talk more lions, more NFL.
Excited to visit with Ben Raven of mlive. He will join us eight
thirty five here on Xues and Bros. I know we got some who want
to get to just real quick. I don't know about you. I love
the underdog story. I think a lot of people gravitate for it underdogs.
I think a lot of people sit there. I want to see this team
win because I haven't seen them win in a long time. I've made the
case. Tell me if I'm wrong, or maybe you feel differently, you
don't mind if you see some type of team dominate for a long time.
Let's call it destiny or a dynasty. I should say, you don't mind
a dynasty as long as it's your dynasty. You love when the Wings won
Stanley Cups four years or four times in an eleven year span. You love
that stuff. Love the fact that the Pistons went to the NBA Finals three
straight years. At some point people outside of that market say all right,
no more, I'm done with them. They may have felt that about the
New England Patriots some people may be thinking about that with the Kansas City Chief
Yeves, but I think overall, a lot of people like the underdog.
I think people forget Duke in North Carolina and Kentucky in the final four.
We want somebody else. We want somebody fresh. I don't know if that'll
happen with Yukon or not, but we want somebody fresh. When you see
a guy like Tyrese Maxi, who's the twenty first overall pick, score for
seventeen points in the final quarter and make big shot after big shot, a
lean in three to get his team even, or a close to a logo
Caitlin Clark like three to get his team tied up to force overtime, it's
pretty cool because there's a lot of teams that passed on him. When you
see Jalen Brunson, who was a second round draft pick, dominate, and
he does. He dominates the game. When you see him do what he
does on a regular basis. This year really the last couple of years,
but this year's been his quote unquote coming out party and he had forty last
night, I think it's pretty cool. I may feel differently if it's constant
for those guys and they burn my team. It may be a little different,
but they haven't. It's not like they prevented the Pistons from going anywhere.
So I don't care. If they did, then I might feel differently.
But I think those are two really cool stories. Those are really good
underdog stories. Meyer hotline is eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty
three. Ben, I know we got some texts. Yeah, we actually
got a caller too, if you want to go to him. Okay,
let's do that. Yeah, it's David Hudsonville. Nice Dave, Thanks for
listening to Hudsonville. How are you hey? Good morning, chef? Were
you you know as a as a Tigers fan of fifty year Tiger fan or
fifty five years. But one of the things I appreciate about aj Hinch is
just much better at bats this year. You know, our roster and we
have a couple of other professional players, and you see like Mark Kanna or
Geo Orshella and those guys, and last year we just gave up Sony of
bats. You know a lot of guys that couldn't put the bat on the
ball. And then you get Perez who's shocking everyone right now. But you
can start to see this team become more competitive and professional, both defensively and
just with more professional bats. And certainly our pitching staff as has expanded and
seems in a better place too. And then my other top I wanted to
say is so I think the happiest guy in Michigan Athletics is Warton Manual and
I think Wardon Manuel went through some really challenging times with both Jim Harbaugh and
Juwan Howard and it really didn't come out. I think Wardon Manual needs gets
a lot of credit for the National Championship because I think at his risk he
kind of embarrassed Harbaugh by cutting his salary, which probably jump started Harbaugh to
go back and pay attention. Then he also had a ride with Manual.
I think Ward Manual Michigan's going to go through some tough times because Harbaugh left
to get a bag of money and left Michigan holding the bag. But it's
whatever means necessary for the National Championship. But I think Dusty May is going
to rock some things and Manuel is going to have a better life in front
of it. Let me ask you this, those are interesting comst's. Let's
take it one at a time. The Tigers, I find that fascinating,
And I give you a lot of credit because you're looking at the at bats,
not the production, Because if you looked at the production, you would
say, this team offensively is struggling. This team offensively is not good.
Period. I don't look at batting appage, you look at slug You look
at OPS plus. Okay, and OPS plus takes into account where you play
the game. It's not just at home, okay, it's whatever ballpark right
now? Not good. What have you noticed about the at bats that has
left you encouraged besides Kenna and Herschellow who seems constantly hurt. Yeah, one
of the things, I think they're taking a lot more pitches, you know,
I mean, especially like Riley Green up on top of the order or
whatever. But they have guys now in Canna that are just they have better
professional hitting zones, and you know they're not chasing. You know, Jake
Rogers still gets a little happy when he pulls the trigger a little earlier.
Whatever it may be. But you know, Jake Rogers still has you know,
gives you some thunder in his bat. But I like Jake riders a
ton but with a lot of guys, and Bias is always going to be
bias. He's off the plate and he's going to be chasing, he's going
to be sweep swinging. But for the most part, the other guys that
they've had, boy oh boy, I just think the quality of their bats,
as far as the number of pitches they take and the swings they get
at balls in the zone have improved. Good. That's that's a really good
take. I love it. You know. The only thing I would say
is this bias being biased. That's part of your job is to make sure
you change him if it's not working. Sojavy or Bias, they made it
a point of the last two years. They made it a point in the
off season to talk with him and address him about what he needs to do
better. And we haven't seen it. If we can get medals going back
with some confidence at the play because he's got so many tools, he runs
like a deer and he goes and gets it and he's got some power.
But if Meadows can just go back and start to move the ball for the
Battle of Bass, he could be electric to just you know, giving him
some stuff. Yeah, yeah, no doubt, especially as a base dealer
one hundred percent. Now the Michigan thing is interesting because I don't know how
much I'm going to give ward manual credit for the National Championship. I personally
think that's all Jim Harbaugh and his staff. But my my frustration a little
bit. You know, Dusty May appears to be a very good hire.
We'll see, Okay, it's too early, but the Juwan Howard hire was
not a good one. Tracy Smith as a baseball coach has not been a
good one. Brandon Narrato obviously forced your hand because he reached the National Championship
game his first year, So what are you going to do? Fire him?
I wonder about the Sharon Moore though, and the reason I wonder.
I don't think he was going anywhere. I'm not saying he didn't deserve the
job. I'm saying he see. I think athletic directors you got to hire
coaches, you got a fundraise, okay, and you got to handle the
right coaches. So obviously Juwan Howard was the wrong coach. I don't care
what anybody says. It was the wrong coach, no matter his success and
when he first got there or not, he didn't represent the university. Well,
Sharon Moore is interesting. Just from this standpoint, I think you could
have gone out and talked to a lot of different candidates and still come to
the conclusion that Sharon Moore is your guy. But did you do enough to
at least explore the full gamut of opportunities for that head coach? Oh,
I, chef, I agree with you, And I think this too.
I think part of the calculus is Michigan's on probation for a while, and
they've got the one already from the harbor, you know, recruiting piece,
but they're going to get the second one, most likely from you know,
the And I think that part of the calculus is, Hey, we're going
to just have to have somebody, you know, sit through this probation for
a few years. You know. I give it to Sharon Moore. Let's
do what we got. At the end of the day, he can.
He can kind of basically keep all the dirty laundry and and and he holds
the bag for what Harbaugh did or under his I mean, Harbaugh's a great
football coaching. Yes, they won all the games on their schedule, all
credit to them. If you look at their schedules though they didn't play a
football game last year until game eight, maybe even nine, you know what
I mean, And look at their schedule this year compared to last year.
But you can only play the games on your schedule. But Harbaugh had a
hot mess of an administrative program outside with Shimmy Schimbeckler, the recruiting thing,
you know, Spygate was Conner Stallions. I mean, it was two sides
of the house and one side was a mess. And Harbaugh's arrogance was part
of what made Michigan competitive on the field, but I think it's also what
created some of this challenge I'll have off the field. But I think the
war is going to hold the bag and they could have got nobody else gets
that job if those circumstances of the National championship and the probation probably come that
way for him. I think it was a perfect storm. It's well said,
thank you love the call, appreciate it, have a great day.
It was fantastic call. I'm not as far as the you know the schedule,
You're right, you can only play the schedule in front of you.
I think people have to remind themselves when you schedule games. Most of them.
The conference is one thing. The reason Michigan schedule this year is going
to be so much more difficult because look at the teams who've been added to
the Big Ten. You already know that, but when you schedule ahead your
tea, you don't know what those teams are going to be like when you're
scheduling them four and five years ahead. Now, East Carolina UNLV, Bowling
Green, Right, those are the three teams. Come on, I never
knock a team in a Power five conference, especially in that division in the
Power five Conference, for trying to get their legs underneath them in a perfect
world for television and for fandom, because you want your money's worth when you
go to the Big House or Spartan Stadium, wherever it may be, you
want to see a really good team play. I don't blame you one bit.
I'm looking at it from an athletic director and a head coaching situation.
I want to make sure my team gets off to a really good start.
I don't necessarily need Texas in Week two. That's what they're going to get
this year. Now, I'm not suggesting you load your team schedule up with
Arkansas State, who they get in week three, you get a half decent
team in Fresno State, you do get. I believe Michigan has the first
five games at home Fresno State, Texas, Arkansas State, USC, Minnesota.
Those are all at home. Two teams expected to be really tough Texas
and USC. Right, although USC just lost their quarterback, right, Caleb
Williams gone, so we'll have to wait and see. Minnesota widely viewed as
a less than Big ten team. So you're getting your test in week two,
fair to say absolutely. Last year, when did you get your first
test? As you just mentioned, he would say week eight, maybe week
nine. Week eight was Michigan State. They beat him forty nine to nothing.
Week nine was Perdue, they beat him forty one to thirteen. That's
up to That's up to you to determine in your own mind who was the
toughest test. Just because Michigan beat the brakes off most of their opponents doesn't
mean that it wasn't supposed to be a test. Who knows. It's a
great caller. Let's get to some texts. Appreciate it very much. That's
one of the best calls I've had ever hosting the show. Quite honestly,
somebody who knows what the hell they're talking about and got right to it.
Ben, Yeah, what else we got? This one goes back to the
Tigers, says I wish aj Hinch would stop pulling starters early. Flatterty was
pitching great, so the philosophy was to pull him out so he doesn't lose
a great pitcher. I thought we learned more from adversity in life than babying.
I'm tired of it. Kudos to Avila for signing a sixteen year old
Perez. Yes, went so, Perez has come into his own. How
many is too many? Flirty hit ninety three pitches? I don't know if
there's a pitch count. I think it's about how a guy throws. When
you only give up two hits and you've got fourteen punch outs, obviously you're
doing something. You're doing something right. You've got them off balance. Is
it the third time through? What is it? Well? He has his
reasons. In fairness to aj Hinch, it sure didn't look like it was
the wrong time to pull Jack Flirty. Does he have to throw a perfect
game or I mean a full game, a complete game. You just don't
see that any longer. Unfortunately, you got guys in the bullpen who are
supposed to I got no problem turning a game over to in a certain situation,
especially the lefty on lefty. Andrew Chafin can get reverse. His reverse
splits are really good, so I got no problem going to Chaffin and Foley.
My question is if Jason full if the Tigers win that game, are
you saying the same thing. You're probably not, but you're saying it because
he made the last switch. I have no issue with him going as long
as he did. Kyle Gibson was pretty damn good. Marmau pulled him after
right around the same number of pitches ninety eight. He lasted seven innings,
so he got one more out than Jack Flaherty. What's the big deal?
I want listen. I'm not saying that the Texter is saying this, but
I want it back the way it used to be. Two. I want
starters to go longer. You have thirteen pitchers now on a team, Okay,
I would love to see more pitchers throw complete games like it used to
be. You don't see that anymore. For some reason or another, you
just don't see complete games. Excuse me, it's bothersome. I don't get
it. I really don't, But they don't. You know, all this
taxing of the arms. You talk to some old school guys and they'll say,
you know what, here's what you do. Stop throwing so much in
the offseason. Wait for a little bit, let your arm rest. Different
studies, different philosophies for different teams and different coaching staffs. But I understand
the frustration, I really do. I just don't think that. I think
you have certain guys in certain situations for a reason. Think of this.
There's only six men, it's early six men who've thrown a complete game so
far this year. That's it. Six last year. Do you know what
the league leader was in complete games? This will frustrate the living hell out
of you. Complete games. Who led the Major League Baseball in complete games?
Any idea? There were two in twenty twenty three. Sandy Alcantra from
Miami started twenty eight games, completed three. The other was Jordan Lyles,
who Jordan Lyles of Kansas City three complete games? Those are your leaders in
Major League Baseball? How far or how big of a difference that truly is?
Or is it? Because in nineteen ninety it's a long time ago,
but in nineteen ninety the league leader in complete games was Ramon Martinez with twelve.
We're not going back to Mickey Lolich. I hate to tell you,
even though you and I probably would like that. Nineteen eighty, Rick Langford
led all of baseball in complete games with twenty eight. He completed as many
games in nineteen eighty as Sandy Alcantra started a year ago. There's your perspective.
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