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Welcome to Spacing Out with Beebe and
Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four,

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episode nine, The Hub. Welcome
back, I'm Babe and I'm Jason,

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and this is Spacing Out towhere.
Today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica.

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If you are new to the show, welcome, and you should know

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free to discuss future events. There's
only elevenish episodes left to spoil, so

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we probably won't say too much,
but they will still be there, so

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avoid that if you don't want to
be spoiled, but otherwise we won't be

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spoiling anything past this episode, which
is Battlestar Galactica season four, episode nine,

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The Hub That's aired on June six, two thousand and eight, Written

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by Jane Espenson, directed by Paul
Edwards. A survivor count in this episode

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was thirty nine thirty nine thousand,
six hundred and seventy three to the loss

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of one from last time. In
this episode, the hybrid keeps jumping the

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bass Star while Laura Roslin has visions
the Cylon Vienna is unboxed humans and cylons

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join in the battle to destroy the
Resurrection Hub. Waltar is badly wounded and

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Rosin that's what the has to decide
whether or not to help him. She

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decided to help him, and then
she walked that back. She had to

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decide whether or not she wanted to
kill him. True, true, she

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was. It was an active,
active choice. Vibe check. Did we

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like the episode overall? How does
it stand the test of time? Did

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you like the episode? I do
like the episode. I do too.

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I think I liked this better than
the last episode. Um, yeah,

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I don't know. I liked it. They kind of paired together well,

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and that some of the things from
the previous episode are explained in this one,

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like how you see that ship that
jumps back with the dead pilot And

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yeah, it's it's kind of more
more of a somber episode than you would

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act from it being like a kind
of a big battle episode. It really

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just focuses on Laura Roslin and her
kind of processing her life and her emotions

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and her feelings towards the people around
her in her life. Yeah. I

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like that. So we don't get
to see a lot of her inner working

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she's just the president, you know. Yeah, and she has that hard

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outer shell up all the time,
and she's realizing that she can let people

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in. Yeah. And it kind
of parallels the last episode where a Dama

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is kind of sorting out how he
feels about her. So yeah, good

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stuff, Good stuff trivia time.
What facts could we uncover for the hub

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trivia? There's a one piece of
trivia here. There's a deleted scene that

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featured the rebel based Star being boarded
by the other Cylons and the number eight

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that's in the episode, the one
that downloaded Athena's memories, is shot and

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killed by a Cavil, who is
then shot by Halo, and then Halo

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is very distressed over the loss of
the state because it is somewhat Athena but

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not really. No, he's married
to the entire line. Yes, yes,

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so it's his wife who died.
Without this scene in the episode,

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there's now no explanation for why we
never see this number eight again in the

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show. Honestly, I feel like
it doesn't matter because I didn't like her.

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It was weird that she stole her
memories. I feel like, if

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if I didn't think I don't I
don't after this episode, I wouldn't think

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about her. Yeah, she's weird, trying to make the moves on Halo,

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giving him a shoulder rub and shit, I don't know. And then

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she's like, it's okay, I
have the same memories. It's like I'm

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the same girl. Like, no, that's fluck, that's weird. Yep.

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But yeah, in my head,
like if you wouldn't have told me

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that she was murdered, I would
have thought that she just like I self,

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isolated herself from them because she's like
ashamed or like being so forward with

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a married man and that's fine,
we don't need any more love triangles.

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Yeah, I think it was just
there to do like this weird kind of

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sci fi twist where it's like,
is this the same person or not?

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It's not. It's not because when
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downloaded? She shot herself to resurrect
on the bassar and save Harrah. Yeah,

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so it's been a while. Yeah, but she like, I don't

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know, it's just not fully her, just because you remember everything she remembers

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deep Space Dive. Let's break down
some of our thoughts on the episode.

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You can share your thoughts with us
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We may use your comments on an
upcoming episode. I like how Alltar's like

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man splaining to Laura how to talk
to the hybrid and he doesn't know how

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to talk to the hybrid at all. He's like, you just have to

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do it like this, Laura,
I know what I'm doing. Yeah,

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she still saves him after that.
I was surprised how little supervision Baltar had

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in this fucking ship. That's true. They just kind of leave him.

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He sends a long time just talking
to that Cylon. Yeah, that's Centaur,

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anyone he can preach to. Yeah, he's evangelizing all the time.

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He's like my God, your God, our God. And I feel like

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he was definitely like turning a tide
with that Cylon. But then they got

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blown up. Yeah, and it's
like all that for naught. That could

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have been like a new revolution evolution
for the Cylon Centurions. You know,

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he could have had a whole army. Yeah. I was wondering, like

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where's this going. I don't remember, like him like converting all these cylons,

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Like where we're going to cut to
a scene of like balt Are like

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leading all the Centurions, because that
would be iconic. Then Laura would really

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fucking hate him. But yeah,
I was really surprised he was so unsupervised,

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and it was nice to see the
priestess again. Yeah, Elosha,

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Elosha. I really liked seeing her. At first. I didn't think she

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was going to talk at all because
the first jump she just showed up and

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she didn't say shit, and I'm
like, god, damn it. They

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really brought her back to say nothing. But she dropped some real truth on

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Laura, like some harsh truths really
about how she's not connected to anybody and

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she won't admit or she won't let
herself love the people around her. Yeah,

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she's really I mean, she's all
in Rosalind's subconscience. I would think.

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I guess you can interpret it differently, but she's really driving the emotional

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aspect of the episode with yeah,
Rosalind's self discovery, and I think it

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was there was like a point to
it because when we flashed back to her

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deathbed, it was like she was
surrounded by her work colleagues. Yeah,

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it sucks like she hasn't like treated
any of them like family or anything like

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her and Bill Adama are a little
close. I mean that was the point

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that Alosha was making, Like these
are like the closest people you have the

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family, and you're just their president. Do you think it's Laura's fault though,

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or do you think it's like this
position of being a woman in power

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and having like to shoulder that because
women in a lot of cases aren't allowed

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to be multifaceted individuals. If she
shows any sort of emotional anything, it

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can be used against her, you
know. So like it's kind of shitty

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that she's in this position and she
feels guilty about it, Yeah, because

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it's not. I don't see it
as being her fault. I feel like

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it's this societal pressure sure that she
lives in, like this bubble that she's

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kind of come into of being a
leader because you have a small inner circle,

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but how many people in your inner
circle are you allowed to really let

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in? You know, Like that's
a complicated issue. I think because it

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was a woman writer, that nuance
was really perfect, like fucking just nailed

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it, because I don't think a
man could have written this, you know

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what I mean. Yeah, So
I think there's like the nuance and this

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complexity of this leader who is facing
her mortality and really taking stock of her

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life and her existence and what she's
kind of accomplished and done. And it's

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all dealing with her work and nothing
to do with her personal life. Like

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she won't let herself have this great
love affair. She won't let herself be

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proud or close to like um Starbuck
or Lea Dama, which I feel like

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they have a relationship like children to
her almost like you know what I mean,

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Like she sets them up and like
Starbuck really wants to follow her,

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and like she's down for finding Earth, and yes, Starbuck and her have

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like a connection. I feel like
Leadama and Rosalind have been at odds more

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than anything throughout the series. Really, I feel like they feel like it's

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playful banter sometimes. I mean,
she really hated him in Baltar's trial,

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but I don't think it was him
that she hated. I think she hated

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his position. No, I mean
he attacked her in that he went after

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her taking Kamala again, and oh
yeah, he did do that, But

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I think there's part of her that
likes him. Otherwise, why would she

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fantasize about him, why would he
be at her deathbed. I don't know.

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That's why I'm saying it's odd.
Oh well, I think I don't

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know. I see it as a
more complicated relationship ship, I guess,

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yeah. I mean because that's her, that's her boyfriend's son, that's like

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her stepson basically, and his like
the step daughter too, because Starbuck is

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a dama's adopted daughter. Yeah,
you know what, they're all kind of

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too close. Yeah. I really
liked that Doc Coddle was there too for

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a little bit of it, like
at the very beginning, and I'm like,

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he would be one of the very
close people to her because he's like

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seeing her all the time. Yeah, she spends a lot of time with

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him. She even quotes him later
in the episode. He's like Doc Coddle

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would say you've got a hole in
your hide or something like that. Yeah.

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Yeah, And I think it's interesting
to see the juxtaposition between her deathbed

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and Gaius's potential dying and his kind
of peace that he's made with it,

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and like he's like, I'm not
worried because I know God, and she's

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like, okay, fucking asshole.
And then I don't know, I guess

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it must be death brain or something. But Baltar like confesses his biggest sin

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to her. Well, she juiced
him up with the morphine. Oh that's

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why. Okay, yeah, so
he was real relaxed, real confident.

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Just Lucy Goosey makes his confession of
what he did way back in the mini

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series, right and honestly, he
even says like he didn't know what he

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was doing, but she didn't focus
on that because she's always had it out

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for him. I was surprised to
see her working so hard to save him,

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honestly, and then when she took
off the bandage, I was like,

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that feels more on brand for her
and him, like I'm the relationship.

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And then she has other that moment
of clarity where she's on her deathbed

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and Bill kisses her dead lips,
and then she comes back and regrets it,

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and I'm like, I kind of
wish that Baltar wasn't stabilized and that

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she killed him, but we can't
kill him in character like that. This

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isn't game with throw and so you
know, no, he has he has

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more purpose to fulfill. He has
to go yell at that hybrid some more.

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Butta stay in that vision that keeps
having right, Well, yeah,

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I know that, but like the
gravity of her actions if he would have

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died, I feel like would have
been so impactful and so juicy and like

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just like really good for like the
emotional turmoil that she's going through, and

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just to add a little guilt to
her and like to have the juxtaposition of

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like, sure, he killed the
whole planet on accident, but you killed

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him on purpose, and what does
that say about you compared to him,

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because she was just comparing herself to
his sins, because she always suspected him,

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and this is him confessing, and
so I don't know, like who's

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who's the bigger sinner. It's like
a dick measuring contest, and she's kind

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of winning. She's kind of been
the worst. I mean, I would

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rather have Baltar and his presidential alignments
than her, even though he went he

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had a really bad term with silent
occupation. But she has done things as

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a president that I just disagree with. Shit that like when the show came

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out was wild and now we're living
through it in real life when she overturned

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abortions and she's like, we're making
abortion illegal. During that like in this

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show, when it came out that
was controversial and wrong, and now we're

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living through that and and it's still
an unpopular opinion for most people. I

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think most people, not being the
Supreme Court though, So it just it's

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interesting, like who's who's the better
person here? Really? And how come

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she thinks she's better because she's not. Yeah, and that's part of what

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she has to realize, I think. And also just like the value of

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a life no matter whose it is, So yeah, get it gets deep.

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Yeah, I really liked it.
I really liked this episode because it

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challenges her morality in a very deep
and I feel like we haven't seen that

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for her in a while. And
then I really enjoyed how the fucking Diana

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woke up. Cavil thought that waking
Diana up was going to win the war,

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and she's like, what are you
doing? Aren't you going to ask

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me about the Final five? And
he's like, I don't give a fuck

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about the final five because yeah,
because he's fighting a war. And as

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they're like in this gu room,
I don't know what they're called, a

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resurrection room, there's announcements that are
like, hey, there's like a ship

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coming up. They just lunched fighters
weird. Yeah, well his timing was

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just bad, I guess because he
didn't know that, like the other Cylons

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are coming, right, They didn't
know that they were after them at all.

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It was like a surprise attack,
sneak attack, which was perfect for

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the good guys, I guess is
what we're calling them. Because they were

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able to swoop in and they had
their plans with their cables and towing in

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the vipers. They had to trust
the Cylons and that was a big thing.

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And right now it's like, do
we trust the Cylons or but like

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we're finding out the humans are just
like way more sneaky than the Cylons.

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Yeah, because it was a like
a couple episodes ago we learned that,

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like the Cylons were also planning to
kind of backstab on this deal, but

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then they decided to reverse course and
be true to their word. Yeah,

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and then Natalie got shot and they
jumped away and right, and I thought

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it was surprising that the Hybrid knew
and she's like freaking the fuck out.

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And then the Hybrid knew and Diana
woke up too. Yep, she's she's

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like omnipotent, weird, or she's
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Um, but so Diana's like talking
to Cavil and he's explaining that there's

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a civil war and she's like,
well, okay, and then they hear

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the news about their surprise attack and
she's like, well, fuck, I'm

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on their side and she kills Cavil
and the Sharon Csilon that fucking Cavil freaks

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out a little bit and just quietly
like sneaks off. Yeah, Boomer,

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think Diana just hated Cavil regardless. Yeah,

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he boxed her, and I don't
think like the only update she has

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on what's been going on came from
him, So I don't think she really

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trusts anyone, right, right.
And she said that once because m Hilo

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has specific instructions from Laura Rosalind another
again another like very morally ambiguous or even

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wrong thing to do is to double
cross your allies. And she's like bringing

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the Diana Cylon to meet. We're
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We're going to go directly to meet. And I feel like Diana is

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just so smart because she's like,
I ain't telling you shit, bitch,

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yea Deanna, Sorry, yeah,
she knows the cards she holds, which

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is the Final Five and potentially they're
out the earth. So yeah, don't

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don't give that away freely, especially
to a human who's like already double crossing.

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Like she's like, oh, we're
not going with the plan. Oh

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so all of a sudden, I'm
going to go talk to the humans.

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she's like, you don't know that these

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humans are double crossers. They have
two faces, and she's like, you

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never understood this number eight. I
also, I like that Dianna had like

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a genuine reaction to seeing Baltar in
that condition, because it took a while

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for me to remember it. But
like the last person she was with was

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Baltar before she died after seeing the
faces of the Final Five, and then

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she got boxed right after that,
so like they were they were kind of

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close. And then yeah, they
had that three way with the number six.

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that too. It was really I

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like that it was genuine for her
too. She didn't know that Laura was

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just about to murder his ass.
Imagine if she walked in and Laura was

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taking those bandages off, or or
she was just praying by his unbandaged body.

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That was fucking psychotic. That was
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you bleed out while I pray over
here, psychopath. But so mission accomplished.

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Oh and I really liked the cgi
of the whole battle scene. It

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was really beautifully made, like with
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explosions and shit like that. Yeah, it's always nice when we get like

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a view from outside. It was
also another thing that I really enjoyed seeing

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was Battlestar cleaned out and empty when
they were just walking in the corridors.

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Oh yeah, that was really interesting
because usually when I think of the Battle

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Star, I think of like just
random shit piles everywhere, and people walk

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in going to work, you know, work, just like I'm sure they're

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daily life shit. But this one
was like clean and dark and scary,

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and it almost felt like a horror
movie. Yeah. I mean it's very

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clearly from the beginning like it's some
sort of dream secret wins yeah, their

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vision or whatever they meant. Yeah. Yeah, but they accomplish their mission

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and they go back to where they
started. They're jumping back and cut to

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a Dama reading his book being all
said loyal and do they is it like

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an intercom thing they like call in
or um. They don't really explain it.

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We see the bass Star jump back
and or Adama like kind of gets

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a seatbelt on and stuff. And
then next time we see like he's getting

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out of the ship on board the
bass Star. So I assume he was

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able to contact them, right,
I hope so because last time, I

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know their communications were weird with that
bass Star. Yeah. But yeah,

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then he like they say they love
each other and they hug, and then

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they have sex in that little ship. They do not they do too.

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They have cancer sex and she takes
off her wig and he rubs her bald

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head and kisses it. And I
have a whole fan fiction affione or here

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he's got that hairy chest. It
is a really sweet reunion. Yeah,

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and we're finally seeing these two just
openly embracing their love for each other.

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Well no one was around too,
so well yeah, but they haven't said

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it out that before. Yeah,
and then that was the episode. Yeah.

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I also I really liked the Rosalin
is a Cylon fake out. Oh

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yeah, Dianna, that was so
funny. She's like, you didn't know

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you're the Cylon because the credits in
the beginning are always like there are twelve

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Cylons and one is still to be
revealed. And I shipped my pants when

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she said Laura was the Cylon.
And I feel like they did it right

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because like they didn't like drop that
and then you know actbreak cut the commercial

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and like try to fool the audience
for a long time or anything. No,

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no, but it's just like psych
no. But it was like the

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even the music got like sinister,
yeah, and you like you were like

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what and then and then Diana is
like, I'm just fucking with you.

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I ain't telling you shit, bitch. That was a good psyche out.

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Yes, well yeah that was so
good. And now we know Laura's not

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a Cylon probably, so I'm excited
to see them reveal the Cylons and I

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want to see the final five,
like the final one, the one that

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has not yet been revealed, yep. Especially where are they like where could

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they be? Like were they on
the Resurrection ship? Um? Where are

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they? Are? They? Are
they on Galactica? And like now,

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I also think it's really interesting that
there's a level playing field and that the

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Cylons can die. Yeah, Yeah, that's a big change in this episode.

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We shouldn't overlook Yeah, because even
when Dianna kills Cavil, he can

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probably resurrect still at that point because
they haven't stored it yet. But she

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says, like, this is gonna
be a lot more meaningful. You can

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actually die. Yeah. Um.
Baltar references of a flood story in the

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Book of Pythia, which I just
thought that was interesting because so many,

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like hundreds of cultures on Earth have
some sort of narrative. Many religions have

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a great flood yep, and floods
they happen yep. So I just liked

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that kind of carries over into their
cultures as well. Yeah, astral queen,

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who was the standout character in the
episode? Who's your astral Queen?

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Well, I'm tempted to pick Dianna
just for that fake out, okay,

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but I'm gonna pick Laura Roslin.
It's definitely you know, her arc in

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this episode. Okay, So that's
that's what I'm going with. You're going

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with Laura? Yep. Mine was
between Diana and Elosha, because without Elosha,

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Laura would not have gone down this
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her leadership and her position have stood
in the way of her creating real human

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connections because Elosha had to hold her
fucking hand. True, And I was

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thinking about that. But I don't
know. I don't know how to interpret

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it because like, is that actually
Elosha in some form or is it Well,

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it could be like the number six
and Baltar's head. Yeah, well,

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I mean we don't know, right, So I give it, like,

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I give it a chance. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, so

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I give it to Elosha. Plus, it's been a while since I've been

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able to give her one. Very
true, we did, we did miss

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her. You ready for the next
episode? Oh yeah, So Laura,

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Rosalind and Elosha be on the lookout
for those Astral Queen awards. That brings

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us to the end the main part
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the spoiler section and we will spoil
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four three two one do we have
anything to spoil? I mean almost spoiled

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the last Cylon is a girl or
us She yeah, I cut that out.

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So yeah, yeah, we know
we know Ellen's coming. Ellen's coming

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next episode, midseason finale. Um, the other four are going to get

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outed. Oh I'm so excited.
Yeah. They jump back to the fleet

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and the Anna really takes control of
the situation and it's holding hostages and she's

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a total badass. Yeah, she's
ready to play ball. Ask Lucy Lawless,

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would I forget? Does Colonel Ty
lose his job? He really doesn't

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like I vaguely remember a scene of
like people trying to call out Adama for

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like overllowing him to keep this job
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They're really important positions too. It's
like very strategically placed where they are,

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like the head of your mechanics,
the second in command, the ear

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of the president, Like what and
I forgot fucking Honders. He's like a

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fancy football player or something. He's
a pilot but before that he was just

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a pyramid ball player. Yeah,
well he's gonna sustain an injury at some

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point and become a hybrid, right, Yeah, um, what was I

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just thinking? Oh, well,
this a lie with the Cylons continues,

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and so like they kind of stick
with these the Rebel Cylons throughout the rest

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of the series. So it's like
it's not that absurd that like, so,

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I mean it kind of is,
but I think we as the audience

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have a lot of trust in these
guys, but other people in the fleet

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are like really human about it.
Yeah, yeah, human jerk. Yeah,

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I'm excited. I can't believe it's
only ten more episodes or eleven more

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episodes. We're doing the web series
two. Yeah, so it'll go this

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mid season finale and we'll be off
for a few weeks or something, but

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we'll come back. First of the
web series, which you can find on

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YouTube, is called The Face of
the Enemy. We can find it on

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well, no, I think it's
just on YouTube, so check it out

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there. But then I'm not sure
how we're going to cover the finale.

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That's kind of why I'm not sure
how many episodes are left because it's like

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long, well, it's like it
was a three part finale. They aired

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it as part one one week,
the second week parts two and three together,

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but then the DVD and Blu ray
releases contained a like three hour version

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of all three cut together with extra
scenes, which is usually like we go

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for the extended cuts on this podcast. But I don't know that'll be like

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a really long episode to watch and
then talk about, especially as I don't

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want to do a three hour thing. Yeah, I'd refuse to watch the

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fucking Navatar movie because of that and
many other things that were like politically wrong

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with it. But so yeah,
I feel like we should break it up

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at least into those chunks. But
also the way it's now streaming on Peacock,

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which is probably where a lot of
people are watching now, is they're

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separated into parts one, Part two, and part three. Oh so I

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don't really know how we should approach
it. Maybe we should do it how

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it aired. Yeah, it seems
like I'm middle ground. Yeah that aired

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the right way. I think.
Watch part one and then part two and

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three together. That makes to me
they couldn't come up with like a way

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to make it two parts instead of
three fucking parts. Jesus Christ. Well,

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they wanted a three part finale,
and so the network was like,

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no, we'll give you like a
two hour finale. So they pre they

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pre gamed it or they and then
they're like, okay, now here's the

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two hours. Well, I really
enjoyed this episode. I think the emotional

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elements of it really shone through.
And I think that's because of the writer.

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Yeah, they're like, I'm really
enjoying the show, like at this

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point in the run, like,
yeah, I really like season four,

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And there's a significant chunk of the
fan base that really likes like the first

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couple of seasons when the show was
kind of really like raw and grounded and

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you know, not not a lot
of like supernatural stuff happening, right,

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um, And I get that,
but I don't know, I just really

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like season four and a lot of
season three as well. And you like

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the show, Yeah, you can
just say that. I like all the

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seasons. I do. I like
it. I like it up to the

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end, and even the finale is
a little controversial. A lot of people

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don't like the finale too, but
I'll defend it to a point. Oh

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okay, I'm excited now, Okay, But yeah. I mean there's a

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lot of people that like the early
seasons of the show and really start to

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dislike it because it's a departure.
It's a lot of mysticism and conspiracy and

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theory, and I get that.
I get that, but I feel like

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I can see past that because I
see the emotionality and that's like for me,

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what like grounds it again and this
human kind of way, like she

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can have visions all she wants,
Like I don't get fuck, like as

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long as they make sense, and
they're like giving me some sort of like

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character developed the opera house shit I
could live out that's just running around,

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you know. But it's also like
the show has a lot of momentum right

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now, Like this is a show
that from the beginning they did like a

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purpose, like we're gonna find Earth, right, even if Bill Adamo thought

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it was all bullshit, like he
set that in motion, and now it's

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like very clear that like we're getting
closer and closer and we're almost there right,

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which, by the way, next
episode is Earth. Oh I didn't

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know that spoilers that's what we're doing
here. Yeah, that's cool. I'm

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excited now because I know Earth is
a desolate like hellscape. So they're going

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to find Earth two point zero.
Yeah, but also I mean, I'll

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talk about it and when we get
to Trivia for that part. But it

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was potentially gonna end up being the
finale with the writer's strike. Oh that

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they didn't know if they were going
to be able to finish the back half

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of the season. Oh, so
they were like, this is it.

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Yeah, that's it. They found
Earth. It sucks the end. Good

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luck the writers will write us out
of it, or we're gonna stay here.

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Wow, that's awesome. Well,
I just you know, like my

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personal feelings about how Laura should have
lived with a death of balt are kind

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of extent to like humans should have
just like get that shitty Earth. I

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don't know if that's pessimism or nihilism
or what, but there's a part of

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me that's really dark and feels like
people deserve bad things, not because they're

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bad people, but because life is
just meaningless. So maybe that is a

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little nihilistic. But yeah, I
would have been okay with that finale and

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then we'd be done with the show. If the writers strike continues in real

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life, we're done. We're striking
too. Not just getting Could you imagine,

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though, that'd be so sad.
I feel like they deserve their streaming

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rights. Yeah, they're situal when
it comes to strikes. I think I'm

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always on the side of the labor. Yeah, So support your writers and

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tip your waiters, and you know
about the final five, but you know

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that you're one of them. Her
mind was blown, all right, so

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say we all, Well, thank
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