Welcome to Spacing Out with Beebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four,
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spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica season four, episode nine,
The Hub That's aired on June six, two thousand and eight, Written
by Jane Espenson, directed by Paul Edwards. A survivor count in this episode
was thirty nine thirty nine thousand, six hundred and seventy three to the loss
of one from last time. In this episode, the hybrid keeps jumping the
bass Star while Laura Roslin has visions the Cylon Vienna is unboxed humans and cylons
join in the battle to destroy the Resurrection Hub. Waltar is badly wounded and
Rosin that's what the has to decide whether or not to help him. She
decided to help him, and then she walked that back. She had to
decide whether or not she wanted to kill him. True, true, she
was. It was an active, active choice. Vibe check. Did we
like the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? Did
you like the episode? I do like the episode. I do too.
I think I liked this better than the last episode. Um, yeah,
I don't know. I liked it. They kind of paired together well,
and that some of the things from the previous episode are explained in this one,
like how you see that ship that jumps back with the dead pilot And
yeah, it's it's kind of more more of a somber episode than you would
act from it being like a kind of a big battle episode. It really
just focuses on Laura Roslin and her kind of processing her life and her emotions
and her feelings towards the people around her in her life. Yeah. I
like that. So we don't get to see a lot of her inner working
she's just the president, you know. Yeah, and she has that hard
outer shell up all the time, and she's realizing that she can let people
in. Yeah. And it kind of parallels the last episode where a Dama
is kind of sorting out how he feels about her. So yeah, good
stuff, Good stuff trivia time. What facts could we uncover for the hub
trivia? There's a one piece of trivia here. There's a deleted scene that
featured the rebel based Star being boarded by the other Cylons and the number eight
that's in the episode, the one that downloaded Athena's memories, is shot and
killed by a Cavil, who is then shot by Halo, and then Halo
is very distressed over the loss of the state because it is somewhat Athena but
not really. No, he's married to the entire line. Yes, yes,
so it's his wife who died. Without this scene in the episode,
there's now no explanation for why we never see this number eight again in the
show. Honestly, I feel like it doesn't matter because I didn't like her.
It was weird that she stole her memories. I feel like, if
if I didn't think I don't I don't after this episode, I wouldn't think
about her. Yeah, she's weird, trying to make the moves on Halo,
giving him a shoulder rub and shit, I don't know. And then
she's like, it's okay, I have the same memories. It's like I'm
the same girl. Like, no, that's fluck, that's weird. Yep.
But yeah, in my head, like if you wouldn't have told me
that she was murdered, I would have thought that she just like I self,
isolated herself from them because she's like ashamed or like being so forward with
a married man and that's fine, we don't need any more love triangles.
Yeah, I think it was just there to do like this weird kind of
sci fi twist where it's like, is this the same person or not?
It's not. It's not because when was the last time that Athena even fucking
downloaded? She shot herself to resurrect on the bassar and save Harrah. Yeah,
so it's been a while. Yeah, but she like, I don't
know, it's just not fully her, just because you remember everything she remembers
deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode.
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We may use your comments on an upcoming episode. I like how Alltar's like
man splaining to Laura how to talk to the hybrid and he doesn't know how
to talk to the hybrid at all. He's like, you just have to
do it like this, Laura, I know what I'm doing. Yeah,
she still saves him after that. I was surprised how little supervision Baltar had
in this fucking ship. That's true. They just kind of leave him.
He sends a long time just talking to that Cylon. Yeah, that's Centaur,
anyone he can preach to. Yeah, he's evangelizing all the time.
He's like my God, your God, our God. And I feel like
he was definitely like turning a tide with that Cylon. But then they got
blown up. Yeah, and it's like all that for naught. That could
have been like a new revolution evolution for the Cylon Centurions. You know,
he could have had a whole army. Yeah. I was wondering, like
where's this going. I don't remember, like him like converting all these cylons,
Like where we're going to cut to a scene of like balt Are like
leading all the Centurions, because that would be iconic. Then Laura would really
fucking hate him. But yeah, I was really surprised he was so unsupervised,
and it was nice to see the priestess again. Yeah, Elosha,
Elosha. I really liked seeing her. At first. I didn't think she
was going to talk at all because the first jump she just showed up and
she didn't say shit, and I'm like, god, damn it. They
really brought her back to say nothing. But she dropped some real truth on
Laura, like some harsh truths really about how she's not connected to anybody and
she won't admit or she won't let herself love the people around her. Yeah,
she's really I mean, she's all in Rosalind's subconscience. I would think.
I guess you can interpret it differently, but she's really driving the emotional
aspect of the episode with yeah, Rosalind's self discovery, and I think it
was there was like a point to it because when we flashed back to her
deathbed, it was like she was surrounded by her work colleagues. Yeah,
it sucks like she hasn't like treated any of them like family or anything like
her and Bill Adama are a little close. I mean that was the point
that Alosha was making, Like these are like the closest people you have the
family, and you're just their president. Do you think it's Laura's fault though,
or do you think it's like this position of being a woman in power
and having like to shoulder that because women in a lot of cases aren't allowed
to be multifaceted individuals. If she shows any sort of emotional anything, it
can be used against her, you know. So like it's kind of shitty
that she's in this position and she feels guilty about it, Yeah, because
it's not. I don't see it as being her fault. I feel like
it's this societal pressure sure that she lives in, like this bubble that she's
kind of come into of being a leader because you have a small inner circle,
but how many people in your inner circle are you allowed to really let
in? You know, Like that's a complicated issue. I think because it
was a woman writer, that nuance was really perfect, like fucking just nailed
it, because I don't think a man could have written this, you know
what I mean. Yeah, So I think there's like the nuance and this
complexity of this leader who is facing her mortality and really taking stock of her
life and her existence and what she's kind of accomplished and done. And it's
all dealing with her work and nothing to do with her personal life. Like
she won't let herself have this great love affair. She won't let herself be
proud or close to like um Starbuck or Lea Dama, which I feel like
they have a relationship like children to her almost like you know what I mean,
Like she sets them up and like Starbuck really wants to follow her,
and like she's down for finding Earth, and yes, Starbuck and her have
like a connection. I feel like Leadama and Rosalind have been at odds more
than anything throughout the series. Really, I feel like they feel like it's
playful banter sometimes. I mean, she really hated him in Baltar's trial,
but I don't think it was him that she hated. I think she hated
his position. No, I mean he attacked her in that he went after
her taking Kamala again, and oh yeah, he did do that, But
I think there's part of her that likes him. Otherwise, why would she
fantasize about him, why would he be at her deathbed. I don't know.
That's why I'm saying it's odd. Oh well, I think I don't
know. I see it as a more complicated relationship ship, I guess,
yeah. I mean because that's her, that's her boyfriend's son, that's like
her stepson basically, and his like the step daughter too, because Starbuck is
a dama's adopted daughter. Yeah, you know what, they're all kind of
too close. Yeah. I really liked that Doc Coddle was there too for
a little bit of it, like at the very beginning, and I'm like,
he would be one of the very close people to her because he's like
seeing her all the time. Yeah, she spends a lot of time with
him. She even quotes him later in the episode. He's like Doc Coddle
would say you've got a hole in your hide or something like that. Yeah.
Yeah, And I think it's interesting to see the juxtaposition between her deathbed
and Gaius's potential dying and his kind of peace that he's made with it,
and like he's like, I'm not worried because I know God, and she's
like, okay, fucking asshole. And then I don't know, I guess
it must be death brain or something. But Baltar like confesses his biggest sin
to her. Well, she juiced him up with the morphine. Oh that's
why. Okay, yeah, so he was real relaxed, real confident.
Just Lucy Goosey makes his confession of what he did way back in the mini
series, right and honestly, he even says like he didn't know what he
was doing, but she didn't focus on that because she's always had it out
for him. I was surprised to see her working so hard to save him,
honestly, and then when she took off the bandage, I was like,
that feels more on brand for her and him, like I'm the relationship.
And then she has other that moment of clarity where she's on her deathbed
and Bill kisses her dead lips, and then she comes back and regrets it,
and I'm like, I kind of wish that Baltar wasn't stabilized and that
she killed him, but we can't kill him in character like that. This
isn't game with throw and so you know, no, he has he has
more purpose to fulfill. He has to go yell at that hybrid some more.
Butta stay in that vision that keeps having right, Well, yeah,
I know that, but like the gravity of her actions if he would have
died, I feel like would have been so impactful and so juicy and like
just like really good for like the emotional turmoil that she's going through, and
just to add a little guilt to her and like to have the juxtaposition of
like, sure, he killed the whole planet on accident, but you killed
him on purpose, and what does that say about you compared to him,
because she was just comparing herself to his sins, because she always suspected him,
and this is him confessing, and so I don't know, like who's
who's the bigger sinner. It's like a dick measuring contest, and she's kind
of winning. She's kind of been the worst. I mean, I would
rather have Baltar and his presidential alignments than her, even though he went he
had a really bad term with silent occupation. But she has done things as
a president that I just disagree with. Shit that like when the show came
out was wild and now we're living through it in real life when she overturned
abortions and she's like, we're making abortion illegal. During that like in this
show, when it came out that was controversial and wrong, and now we're
living through that and and it's still an unpopular opinion for most people. I
think most people, not being the Supreme Court though, So it just it's
interesting, like who's who's the better person here? Really? And how come
she thinks she's better because she's not. Yeah, and that's part of what
she has to realize, I think. And also just like the value of
a life no matter whose it is, So yeah, get it gets deep.
Yeah, I really liked it. I really liked this episode because it
challenges her morality in a very deep and I feel like we haven't seen that
for her in a while. And then I really enjoyed how the fucking Diana
woke up. Cavil thought that waking Diana up was going to win the war,
and she's like, what are you doing? Aren't you going to ask
me about the Final five? And he's like, I don't give a fuck
about the final five because yeah, because he's fighting a war. And as
they're like in this gu room, I don't know what they're called, a
resurrection room, there's announcements that are like, hey, there's like a ship
coming up. They just lunched fighters weird. Yeah, well his timing was
just bad, I guess because he didn't know that, like the other Cylons
are coming, right, They didn't know that they were after them at all.
It was like a surprise attack, sneak attack, which was perfect for
the good guys, I guess is what we're calling them. Because they were
able to swoop in and they had their plans with their cables and towing in
the vipers. They had to trust the Cylons and that was a big thing.
And right now it's like, do we trust the Cylons or but like
we're finding out the humans are just like way more sneaky than the Cylons.
Yeah, because it was a like a couple episodes ago we learned that,
like the Cylons were also planning to kind of backstab on this deal, but
then they decided to reverse course and be true to their word. Yeah,
and then Natalie got shot and they jumped away and right, and I thought
it was surprising that the Hybrid knew and she's like freaking the fuck out.
And then the Hybrid knew and Diana woke up too. Yep, she's she's
like omnipotent, weird, or she's really in the know with the Cylon stuff.
Um, but so Diana's like talking to Cavil and he's explaining that there's
a civil war and she's like, well, okay, and then they hear
the news about their surprise attack and she's like, well, fuck, I'm
on their side and she kills Cavil and the Sharon Csilon that fucking Cavil freaks
out a little bit and just quietly like sneaks off. Yeah, Boomer,
Yeah, Yeah. I mean I think Diana just hated Cavil regardless. Yeah,
he boxed her, and I don't think like the only update she has
on what's been going on came from him, So I don't think she really
trusts anyone, right, right. And she said that once because m Hilo
has specific instructions from Laura Rosalind another again another like very morally ambiguous or even
wrong thing to do is to double cross your allies. And she's like bringing
the Diana Cylon to meet. We're not going to go to the rendezvous point.
We're going to go directly to meet. And I feel like Diana is
just so smart because she's like, I ain't telling you shit, bitch,
yea Deanna, Sorry, yeah, she knows the cards she holds, which
is the Final Five and potentially they're out the earth. So yeah, don't
don't give that away freely, especially to a human who's like already double crossing.
Like she's like, oh, we're not going with the plan. Oh
so all of a sudden, I'm going to go talk to the humans.
And she even called it out and she's like, you don't know that these
humans are double crossers. They have two faces, and she's like, you
never understood this number eight. I also, I like that Dianna had like
a genuine reaction to seeing Baltar in that condition, because it took a while
for me to remember it. But like the last person she was with was
Baltar before she died after seeing the faces of the Final Five, and then
she got boxed right after that, so like they were they were kind of
close. And then yeah, they had that three way with the number six.
Yeah, so yeah, I like that too. It was really I
like that it was genuine for her too. She didn't know that Laura was
just about to murder his ass. Imagine if she walked in and Laura was
taking those bandages off, or or she was just praying by his unbandaged body.
That was fucking psychotic. That was psychotic to me. I'm gonna let
you bleed out while I pray over here, psychopath. But so mission accomplished.
Oh and I really liked the cgi of the whole battle scene. It
was really beautifully made, like with all the little like smoke trails and the
explosions and shit like that. Yeah, it's always nice when we get like
a view from outside. It was also another thing that I really enjoyed seeing
was Battlestar cleaned out and empty when they were just walking in the corridors.
Oh yeah, that was really interesting because usually when I think of the Battle
Star, I think of like just random shit piles everywhere, and people walk
in going to work, you know, work, just like I'm sure they're
daily life shit. But this one was like clean and dark and scary,
and it almost felt like a horror movie. Yeah. I mean it's very
clearly from the beginning like it's some sort of dream secret wins yeah, their
vision or whatever they meant. Yeah. Yeah, but they accomplish their mission
and they go back to where they started. They're jumping back and cut to
a Dama reading his book being all said loyal and do they is it like
an intercom thing they like call in or um. They don't really explain it.
We see the bass Star jump back and or Adama like kind of gets
a seatbelt on and stuff. And then next time we see like he's getting
out of the ship on board the bass Star. So I assume he was
able to contact them, right, I hope so because last time, I
know their communications were weird with that bass Star. Yeah. But yeah,
then he like they say they love each other and they hug, and then
they have sex in that little ship. They do not they do too.
They have cancer sex and she takes off her wig and he rubs her bald
head and kisses it. And I have a whole fan fiction affione or here
he's got that hairy chest. It is a really sweet reunion. Yeah,
and we're finally seeing these two just openly embracing their love for each other.
Well no one was around too, so well yeah, but they haven't said
it out that before. Yeah, and then that was the episode. Yeah.
I also I really liked the Rosalin is a Cylon fake out. Oh
yeah, Dianna, that was so funny. She's like, you didn't know
you're the Cylon because the credits in the beginning are always like there are twelve
Cylons and one is still to be revealed. And I shipped my pants when
she said Laura was the Cylon. And I feel like they did it right
because like they didn't like drop that and then you know actbreak cut the commercial
and like try to fool the audience for a long time or anything. No,
no, but it's just like psych no. But it was like the
even the music got like sinister, yeah, and you like you were like
what and then and then Diana is like, I'm just fucking with you.
I ain't telling you shit, bitch. That was a good psyche out.
Yes, well yeah that was so good. And now we know Laura's not
a Cylon probably, so I'm excited to see them reveal the Cylons and I
want to see the final five, like the final one, the one that
has not yet been revealed, yep. Especially where are they like where could
they be? Like were they on the Resurrection ship? Um? Where are
they? Are? They? Are they on Galactica? And like now,
I also think it's really interesting that there's a level playing field and that the
Cylons can die. Yeah, Yeah, that's a big change in this episode.
We shouldn't overlook Yeah, because even when Dianna kills Cavil, he can
probably resurrect still at that point because they haven't stored it yet. But she
says, like, this is gonna be a lot more meaningful. You can
actually die. Yeah. Um. Baltar references of a flood story in the
Book of Pythia, which I just thought that was interesting because so many,
like hundreds of cultures on Earth have some sort of narrative. Many religions have
a great flood yep, and floods they happen yep. So I just liked
that kind of carries over into their cultures as well. Yeah, astral queen,
who was the standout character in the episode? Who's your astral Queen?
Well, I'm tempted to pick Dianna just for that fake out, okay,
but I'm gonna pick Laura Roslin. It's definitely you know, her arc in
this episode. Okay, So that's that's what I'm going with. You're going
with Laura? Yep. Mine was between Diana and Elosha, because without Elosha,
Laura would not have gone down this like mental emotional path of understanding how
her leadership and her position have stood in the way of her creating real human
connections because Elosha had to hold her fucking hand. True, And I was
thinking about that. But I don't know. I don't know how to interpret
it because like, is that actually Elosha in some form or is it Well,
it could be like the number six and Baltar's head. Yeah, well,
I mean we don't know, right, So I give it, like,
I give it a chance. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, so
I give it to Elosha. Plus, it's been a while since I've been
able to give her one. Very true, we did, we did miss
her. You ready for the next episode? Oh yeah, So Laura,
Rosalind and Elosha be on the lookout for those Astral Queen awards. That brings
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four three two one do we have anything to spoil? I mean almost spoiled
the last Cylon is a girl or us She yeah, I cut that out.
So yeah, yeah, we know we know Ellen's coming. Ellen's coming
next episode, midseason finale. Um, the other four are going to get
outed. Oh I'm so excited. Yeah. They jump back to the fleet
and the Anna really takes control of the situation and it's holding hostages and she's
a total badass. Yeah, she's ready to play ball. Ask Lucy Lawless,
would I forget? Does Colonel Ty lose his job? He really doesn't
like I vaguely remember a scene of like people trying to call out Adama for
like overllowing him to keep this job and everyone to kind of keep these positions.
They're really important positions too. It's like very strategically placed where they are,
like the head of your mechanics, the second in command, the ear
of the president, Like what and I forgot fucking Honders. He's like a
fancy football player or something. He's a pilot but before that he was just
a pyramid ball player. Yeah, well he's gonna sustain an injury at some
point and become a hybrid, right, Yeah, um, what was I
just thinking? Oh, well, this a lie with the Cylons continues,
and so like they kind of stick with these the Rebel Cylons throughout the rest
of the series. So it's like it's not that absurd that like, so,
I mean it kind of is, but I think we as the audience
have a lot of trust in these guys, but other people in the fleet
are like really human about it. Yeah, yeah, human jerk. Yeah,
I'm excited. I can't believe it's only ten more episodes or eleven more
episodes. We're doing the web series two. Yeah, so it'll go this
mid season finale and we'll be off for a few weeks or something, but
we'll come back. First of the web series, which you can find on
YouTube, is called The Face of the Enemy. We can find it on
well, no, I think it's just on YouTube, so check it out
there. But then I'm not sure how we're going to cover the finale.
That's kind of why I'm not sure how many episodes are left because it's like
long, well, it's like it was a three part finale. They aired
it as part one one week, the second week parts two and three together,
but then the DVD and Blu ray releases contained a like three hour version
of all three cut together with extra scenes, which is usually like we go
for the extended cuts on this podcast. But I don't know that'll be like
a really long episode to watch and then talk about, especially as I don't
want to do a three hour thing. Yeah, I'd refuse to watch the
fucking Navatar movie because of that and many other things that were like politically wrong
with it. But so yeah, I feel like we should break it up
at least into those chunks. But also the way it's now streaming on Peacock,
which is probably where a lot of people are watching now, is they're
separated into parts one, Part two, and part three. Oh so I
don't really know how we should approach it. Maybe we should do it how
it aired. Yeah, it seems like I'm middle ground. Yeah that aired
the right way. I think. Watch part one and then part two and
three together. That makes to me they couldn't come up with like a way
to make it two parts instead of three fucking parts. Jesus Christ. Well,
they wanted a three part finale, and so the network was like,
no, we'll give you like a two hour finale. So they pre they
pre gamed it or they and then they're like, okay, now here's the
two hours. Well, I really enjoyed this episode. I think the emotional
elements of it really shone through. And I think that's because of the writer.
Yeah, they're like, I'm really enjoying the show, like at this
point in the run, like, yeah, I really like season four,
And there's a significant chunk of the fan base that really likes like the first
couple of seasons when the show was kind of really like raw and grounded and
you know, not not a lot of like supernatural stuff happening, right,
um, And I get that, but I don't know, I just really
like season four and a lot of season three as well. And you like
the show, Yeah, you can just say that. I like all the
seasons. I do. I like it. I like it up to the
end, and even the finale is a little controversial. A lot of people
don't like the finale too, but I'll defend it to a point. Oh
okay, I'm excited now, Okay, But yeah. I mean there's a
lot of people that like the early seasons of the show and really start to
dislike it because it's a departure. It's a lot of mysticism and conspiracy and
theory, and I get that. I get that, but I feel like
I can see past that because I see the emotionality and that's like for me,
what like grounds it again and this human kind of way, like she
can have visions all she wants, Like I don't get fuck, like as
long as they make sense, and they're like giving me some sort of like
character developed the opera house shit I could live out that's just running around,
you know. But it's also like the show has a lot of momentum right
now, Like this is a show that from the beginning they did like a
purpose, like we're gonna find Earth, right, even if Bill Adamo thought
it was all bullshit, like he set that in motion, and now it's
like very clear that like we're getting closer and closer and we're almost there right,
which, by the way, next episode is Earth. Oh I didn't
know that spoilers that's what we're doing here. Yeah, that's cool. I'm
excited now because I know Earth is a desolate like hellscape. So they're going
to find Earth two point zero. Yeah, but also I mean, I'll
talk about it and when we get to Trivia for that part. But it
was potentially gonna end up being the finale with the writer's strike. Oh that
they didn't know if they were going to be able to finish the back half
of the season. Oh, so they were like, this is it.
Yeah, that's it. They found Earth. It sucks the end. Good
luck the writers will write us out of it, or we're gonna stay here.
Wow, that's awesome. Well, I just you know, like my
personal feelings about how Laura should have lived with a death of balt are kind
of extent to like humans should have just like get that shitty Earth. I
don't know if that's pessimism or nihilism or what, but there's a part of
me that's really dark and feels like people deserve bad things, not because they're
bad people, but because life is just meaningless. So maybe that is a
little nihilistic. But yeah, I would have been okay with that finale and
then we'd be done with the show. If the writers strike continues in real
life, we're done. We're striking too. Not just getting Could you imagine,
though, that'd be so sad. I feel like they deserve their streaming
rights. Yeah, they're situal when it comes to strikes. I think I'm
always on the side of the labor. Yeah, So support your writers and
tip your waiters, and you know about the final five, but you know
that you're one of them. Her mind was blown, all right, so
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