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all right. I'm just gonna start, Okay. In November of twenty thirteen,
a Cleveland nine one one operator got this frantic call from a woman her
husband had been shot outside of the home. That they were pecking up because
they were getting right and moved and it seemed to her like a robbery gone
wrong. There were no perpetrators in sight, and the man shot was still
breathing after being shot four time. God the man's wife rides with him in
the EMS to the local hospital. But unfortunately with those four shots, no,
he didn't make it. And his name was William Walker, and his
murder, I'm gonna let you know right now, you're gonna get really passed
great and the people responsible for his murder never got punished. So I'm just
leting I'm just letting you right now, all right, prepared for everybody to
have to pick up their jaws from the floor because there's some plat twists that
will unfold in this episode. Lieutenant William Walker was a Cleveland firefighter for over
twenty years. He was married twice, once with a woman named Rita Walker,
and they had two children together, Melody and Chris. His second wife
was a woman named Aloma Curry Walker. Aloma had a child from a previous
relationship. She had a daughter. Her name was Jacqueline Hines. Okay,
so you kind of got a little bit of a blended family going on.
William was a hard worker who saved money to take care of his family.
He just worked hard, didn't do much, but you know, it was
really good with finances. That saved his money. His family and friends to
him, they always came first. He loved a dance and he would teach
his male coworkers how to do the salsa. Oh, it's a little strange,
but cute. He met his second wife, Aloma, through work.
She was a nurse and he's a firefighter. The two were closely together.
Aloma was a single mom and she had that nine year old daughter. I
was telling you about Jacqueline at the time they met. Aloma checked all the
boxes that William wanted in a partner. She was kind, she was gentle,
she was a great mom. Since both William and Aloma had been married
before, they were basically each other's first chance to find a second love.
Oh okay. They dated for eight years, so they took their time,
and they eventually got married. They seemed incredibly happy to their friends and family.
They both loved a dance and they would go out for nights on the
town and just dance together. Everything seemed great, but as we know,
as we know, sometimes things aren't what they seem. As I said,
they dated for eight years before they eventually got married. Aloma got really sick
of waiting for him to ask her to marriam, so she created a plan
for herself and William. She told William that she was diagnosed with stage four
breast kids and her health insurance wasn't really going to cover much of her care
and treatment. She really needed his health insurance, which is kind of weird
because she's a nurse, so you would think, oh, yeah, you're
right, good health insurance. And then in order for her to survive her
life threatening cancer, she really needed his insurance because it was better than hers.
That's a good plan. Actually, really they got married in twenty and
thirteen because of her diagnosis of stage four breast answer. Healthcare coverage is obviously
a big benefit for firefighters. I mean, think about it across the country.
It's their job to put their lives out there, that's to save other
people's. William did love Aloma, and he thought it was a good decision
to marry her, I mean, given her stage four breast cancer. But
there was one problem she didn't actually have. Yeah, caught on the stage
four breast cancer. In fact, who fucking makes that up? God damn,
I hate people like the hell I know that's a big lie. That
is a huge lie. In fact, she had been to a doctorate over
a year. But William, I mean, he's not going to question her.
You're lying about breast cancer. William told his friends and family about this
devastating news, and everyone was there for them emotionally, and they had all
their friends and family to be a shoulder to cry on. After they got
married, he did everything he possibly could and to help his wife. And
just so you know, they ended up eloping in a courthouse and they didn't
tell a single soul about the marriage until it was already done. So they
just were like, hey, we got married, we got married, everything
got married. William was just really worried about his wife. He felt he
needed a savor and he would do anything it to help or get through it.
He almost seemed to develop what it was called, like a hero complex.
Basically he was there for whatever she needed and that was just sort of
his nature. Yeah, he's probably that type of guy. The first few
months of their marriage was great for both of them. They had a plan
to move out of the city of Cleveland and they were going to retire in
the countryside of Ohio. They bought a house about thirty miles east of Cleveland.
For William, every day was another day towards his eventual retirement to a
mom. She was dreading the day that William would find out how much debt.
Oh shit, she was in debt from loans and credit cards by tens
of thousands of dollars. She even took out a loan in William's name.
Oh shit. She was struggling with financially and William had no clue. So
she played the part of the happy wife who was slowly dying of breast cancer.
I know there was not a single shred of proof that she had any
cancer, but Liam believed her. He never got a hospital bill, He
never asked for the medicals because he never went to any of these ravens.
No, he just trusted her. And he was a really happy, positive
person by the way. That was his persona. But that was who he
was, so he would have never thought someone would do this. He had
no idea all the secrets that his wife was hiding from him. Shit.
William thought that jointly the two had a lot more money than what they really
had. They bought this brand new house for the retirement, and William as
I said, was really excited when he eventually retired to move into this house.
He would sold pictures of the home and the land to his friends and
co workers, and he just couldn't wait for her to get over her cancer
and for them to start their new life. But Alama had a different plan.
Oh no, it's a plan of murder. Oh no. She was
in so much debt and he was eventually going to figure it out. I
mean it out, especially with the purchase of a new house and the in
fact they just got married. He's going to learn about this. At one
point, their accounts were both in the negative and they were overdrawn. In
late summer of twenty thirteen, Alama brought up the idea of having William killed.
What to her daughter what was seventeen at the time, Oh my god,
and her daughter's boyfriend, Chad bad Get. Aloma promised the two that
the deed would pay well and be it would be worth it for them if
they agreed to kill him. That is so fucked up. I know they
were together eight years. It's not like she just like tried to find some
guy to mary and kill and he loved her. He was I mean,
it sounds like a great person. William had a huge life insurance policy.
Well, I mean it was one hundred thousand, and if he was gone
out of the picture, Aloma would make sure that both of those kids got
a cut of her payout. She offered them a thousand dollars down payment,
and the two accepted the down payment. Damn. But their goal was to
find somebody to murder williams do it themselves. Chad asked a lot of people
in town, oh my god, and they turned him down. What you
want to kill someone for me? I mean what, that's stupid. These
people would later testify a trial. A former homicide detective. His name was
Rod Dummery said, the fact that someone would agree to do it for a
thousand dollars shows that that person is very, very impassionable. So it fits
that Aloma would use her seventeen year old daughter and her boyfriend and basically manipulate
them into doing that. At the point that she asked her daughter again her
hunter's boyfriend, to kill William, they've been married about four months. Damn.
She wanted that policy payout, and in order to get a William how
to die, So Ched calls a cousin his name is Christopher Hines. Christophe
thought about killing Williams since he bought and sold guns as a dealer for a
living. So he's like, maybe, sure, let me think about me
think about that. He even did a test run, driving to the location
where the crime would be committed, but Christopher never went through it. He
didn't want to be the one to poll tracker. Nobody wanted to be the
one poll tragger. Yeah, I mean hello, hello, Hello, Who
wants to be a murderer? So Chad asked another person. He tried to
recruit, another guy named Ryan Doherty. Ryan was offered eight hundred and some
weed. Wow, he had a really long criminal history, and he agreed
to kill William Damn a November third of two thousand and thirteen, right before
William and Aloma were to start their new retired lives together. That's when William
died. He was just getting ready to retire. They were packing up as
I saw, Yeah, that's Ryan were packing up their house. Aloma sent
William to the nearby McDonalds to pick up some dinner. Around eight pm.
Christopher and Jacqueline were to wait on the west side of Cleveland while Ryan and
Chad were on the east side of Lampson Road near Cleveland Heights. Aloma and
Jacqueline were in touch with each other throughout the entire scene. Loma told Jacqueline
when William left for McDonald's, you know, hey, he's headed there,
and Chad and Ryan were waiting for him to leave the house so they could
get into position. They were to wait until William arrived back home with the
food, and then once William returned, Ryan took William by surprise and Anne
bushed him at the door of the house that he shared with a Loma.
Ryan shot him, as I told you four times in the back. Oh
so cruel. This is cruel, discussing it's so callous. Yes, Ryan
and Chad had a getaway driver, but they recruited another person unbelievable. After
hearing the shots, the driver asked Chad and Ryan, Hey, what just
happened? So the guy didn't know? Oh yeah, he was just like
driving them. Oh shit, was some sort of uber friend thing. He's
like, what has happened? The two replied that the shots were from a
drug deal gone wrong. The getaway driver didn't not let Ryan and Chad pack
in his car for him think for the wreck of the driver had no clue
about obviously about the entire plan, and he honestly thought they were just picking
up some weed and they needed a ride. But Chad and Ryan were able
to leave the scene of the crime without being detected. Aloma heard the shots
from inside the household. Oh what's going on? It was around eight thirty
pm when she called nine to one. She's screaming frantically at the operator that
her husband has just been shot. William's keys were still in the door when
the first responders arrived on the scene, and he was shot while he was
trying to unlock his own front door, carrying the McDonald's in his hand,
which is you know. The first responders for William, they were his friends
and co workers, that's right. Oh, that's They were the fire department
in ems oh Man, and they knew him really, really well. When
they were at the scene, both fire fighters and the MMSS noticed that some
things just weren't quite right. While William was completely covered in blood, Aloma
did not have a single drop on her. And she's a nurse, right,
yeah, she should have been helping tried to help them, she didn't.
Blood was everywhere, but she had none on her and she's just crying,
and she's playing this grieving widow. She seemed just tortured by what happened.
But yet they were like, why do you think her training would kick
in and right her husband. Basically, she deserved a fucking oscar for her
performance. That night, William was still alive when the ambulance left the house
to rush him to the hospital. He was still breathing by the time that
he got to the hospital. One of William's good friends, Ronnie Stepka,
had just kept word that you know, William had been shot, and Ronnie
dropped everything and sped to the hospital to be there for his friend because he
knew his friend was in really bad shape. Ronnie drove twenty miles from his
home since he was off duty at the time, and he described the scene
at the hospital as surreal. He said, this isn't what you'd expect to
happen in the sky. There was probably about a dozen firefighters in the emergency
room, and we could see him from the trauma bay one. We could
see the doctors, the nurses and all the specials in there working un will
They knew he was a firefighter, so they did everything they could to save
will Everyone was praying for William's survival. The doctors knew that Ronnie and William
were exceptionally close friends. The doctor walked out and started talking to Ronnie directly
and asked him if he wanted to say goodbye to his friend. Ronnie started
crying, and he went to the trauma bay one and he held William's hand,
gave him a kiss him and forehead, and told him that he loved
him. He said, teary eyed quote. It was not uncommon me saying
that I loved him. I told him I loved him a thousand times in
my career. I did. I loved being around him. He was a
good guy. And God, I'm gonna fucking cry so sad. The news
of William's death crushed everyone in the r Nurses, doctors, of firefighters.
They all had came in when William most needed them, and the reaction of
his death to his coworkers goes to show how amazing William really was. Oddly,
though, Ronnie noticed that William's wife, Aloma, wasn't anywhere in the
ear that night. But before I tell you more, we're gonna take a
quick break. The police immediately opened a homicide investigation for the murder of William.
Nine millimeter shalcas were found at the crime scene, and the casings were
sent out for DNA testing. I know, maybe off the bullet, like
who loaded it? Yeah, right, that's what I was just thinking.
Friends, family, and co workers of William were question of course, but
the police investigators they came up empty. No one had a clue as to
who would want to murder William. Nobody knew of any enemies that William could
have. I mean, he's just a firefighter, living like a great guy.
He got along with everyone around him. It just didn't make sense that
anybody would hate him so much that they needed to kill him. But the
police did have a few leads based off of a recent history with car purchases
and drug dealers within his neighborhood. William got into an argument with a car
dealer. Okay, well, I mean again, arguments begin arguments. It
doesn't mean the car dealer is gonna shoot you, right, But he went
to buy two cars for himself and a Loma for the retirement. He paid
ten thousand for each of them, and one of the cars never showed up.
He was upset and he let the car dealer. Know, I'm pretty
pissed off, yeah, paraphrasing, But this lead ended up going nowhere because
again, like car dealers, am not going to come to murdering you,
right. Usually usually we probably had a case where they did. Probably.
William was known to chase drug dealers out of the neighborhood. He is a
badass. He was so respected in his community, and he would break up
fights among dangerous people in the area, and he would even set up food
banks for families within the community that needed help. Because he's so damn nice
man. I am early passed. The police were very stumped and very confused
why such a great guy would be so viciously killed. There was no motive,
and almost a year went by to the investigation with no movement from the
police. They had no suspect, no weapon, no theories. In December
of twenty fourteen, a man named Enrique Ramos told police that his friend and
I cannot pronounce this person's name. You want to try mister Solomon and his
friend, mister Solomon, was approached by Chad Peggett to kill William. Police
investigators spoke to mister Solomon and he confirmed that ched called him to see if
you'd like to just kill William Loma. Mister Solomon let the police know that
Ched told him that Jacqueline's mother was the one that wanted William dad. That
was her first big break in the case. Police ended up getting a subpoena
for Chad's phone records and come to find out, the phone records, especially
text messages, would be the majority of evidence that was used in this criminal
case. They were asking a bunch of people, weren't they, Yeah,
And apparently texting people are so dumb. God, Hello, don't text anything
here. Here's another word of advice from two lawyers. Do not text something
that you wouldn't want coming back and biting you in the ass, right,
I mean, don't threaten anyone. I mean, come on, don't have
to kill Hey, do you want to kill somebody? Don't person. There's
advice that's great, no witnesses. After checking the phone records, they ended
up with a lot of suspects. Actually, because as you said, yes,
they reached out to a lot of people, or Chad did. They
were then able to get a hold of all the individuals phone records based off
of who Chad had texted. God, that's a lot of text messages.
Hey dude, what are you doing today? You want to make some money?
The police knew they had to speak to Chad obviously right right, and
Jacqueline and Ron Doherty, since these were the individuals Chad was in touch with
the most based off of his text The police were very familiar with Ryan since
he'd committed two armed robberies after William had been murdered. The police noticed that
Ryan was in touch with Almah, which is kind of odd because he's young
and he's got this violent pass and why would he be talking to this middle
aged woman. Was she contacting him for favors? Yes? While they subpoena
the records, and that's when the whole case blew wide open. Aloma was
brought in for questioning, and she told police that she didn't have any financial
problems and that everything was completely fine with her marriage. She didn't know that
investigators already had her bank stage. Hello, hello, records, dude.
You can't lie when there's a record. And even if they didn't know at
the time, they would find out. Yes, they knew exactly how much
in debt she was and they knew she took out loans in William's name,
you know, one hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy. And part of that
policy is she had to be married to him to get any of the money,
right, So that's why she got that quickie marriage. They are lying
to him about her breast cancer exactly. The investigators asked Aloma about her breast
cancer. They asked about the last time she'd been to the doctor or oncologist.
She told the police she'd never seen an oncologist and hadn't been to a
doctor in over a year. Oh, okay, okay. As you know,
stage four breast cancer patients have to see doctors all the time, all
the time. But she never fucking went because she didn't have breast cancer.
Gosh, what a thing to fake. Well, the police know it was
bullshit. Yeah, they knew. The cell phone records were looked at again
regarding Ryan Chad Aloma, and they were in contact down to the minute that
the murder occurred. Oh wow, and how about this one? Are you
ready? Because this is about stupid criminals, really stupid criminals. I know
you do. A text message was found after the murder had occurred, and
it said, quote, we have a body that was from Chad. What
the hell right, how are you going to explain that? Oh, that's
not what I met with this evidence. They confronted Chad and he broke down
and he told them everything. Chad told investigators everything then occurred on the night
that William was killed, down to every last detail. And Chad is twenty
one years old, so you know, and he confessed. He was ended
up being accused of complicity to commit murder. This is what he told police.
He told police that Aloma came to him and Jacqueline, and these two
women claimed that William was physically abusive to Aloma. Aloma had this way of
making people feel sorry for her. She's very manipulate, like this whole woe
is me mentality. In fact, a forensic psychologist who ended up examining Aloma
said, quote Aloma is very good at making people feel sympathetic towards her,
to feel these genuine emotions for her, and then to use those emotions to
advantage to get them to do whatever she wanted them to do. End quote.
Wow, So Chad thought, you know, I need to save this
woman from this horrible abuse she's been suffering from years. He thought, even
though the crime was wrong and needed to be done, and that's basically what
he told the police is he wanted to stop the abuse. On November third
of twenty thirteen, the police, with the phone records, they were able
to put all the pieces together. I feel like they have enough, right,
Yeah. Really, they tied all the text messages together to create a
timeline with the locations of where everyone involved. Was that throughout the whole murder,
cell phone tower peeings showed exactly the route Chad and Ryan traveled at night,
and the investigators found out that Aloma called nine to one after Chad and
Ryan were far enough from her house that she felt it was safe, so
she took her time in calling your police and ems in no way, obviously
we already talked about it helped her dying husband. The forensic psychologists that I
told you about earlier said in regard to this quote, I think Aloma had
been waiting for this moment. She had been waiting for the moment that her
plan could come to fruition, that he would die and she would finally be
able to have her hands on his money. And I think it was very
deliberate. She didn't want to save him yeah, yeah, I could have
told you that right. Furthermore, the detectives talked to Ems, and Ems
told him that they had enough experience in dealing with seems like this that Aloma's
reaction was just so odd because she would go from hysterical to being completely composed,
and then the text messages between her and her daughter, it was just
odd. There was no emotion involved in any of it. It wasn't until
September of twenty fifteen that Chad was charged with aggravated murders. So this is
the last two years gone by, and he undered a not guilty plea Jacqueline,
Ryan and Christopher they were also arrested for the same thing, and Aloma
knew it's coming for her. She eventually ended up turning herself in when a
warrant was issued. Before she did, she wrote a confession that stated that
William had been physically abusive to her for years, and she mentioned something about
the fact that she was married to a firefighter, so it would be expected
to be abused. Really, yeah, I didn't realize firefighters abused their spouses.
Well, you need to talk to Alma. Apparently, she denied that
she planned the entire murderer, and she blamed her daughter. She did.
Oh that's dirty. She turned on her daughter, Jacqueline and told the police
that Jacqueline was a mastermind behind all of it. She told police that Jacqueline
and Chad hated how strict William was with the rules and the living situation and
try to make William seem like he was an over controlling man and that Jacqueline
needed him gone. It's really, if you think about it, fucked up
that she would go and blame her daughter for this. Oh yeah, that's
totally fucked up. But she did whatever she had to do to get it
herself not stuck in prison. That's pretty shitty. The police investigated, but
there's no evidence that William was ever violent ever in his life. In December
of twenty fifteen, Aloma was arrested finally, thank god, for her husband's
murder. But you can imagine everybody at the hospital where she weres, because
I remember she's a nurse. Yes, everybody was just like what the fuck.
William's friend Ronnie said, quote, we had no idea what exactly went
down that night until the story broke. And when that story broke, it
was huge. It took my breath away. Oh I bet boon was said
at one million dollars cash cash, Damn, that doesn't happen. No,
she's not getting out exactly. And something I never mentioned is she wasn't originally
considered a suspect by anybody as far as Williams friends and co workers. And
they actually raised fifty thousand dollars to help support her after William's death. Are
you shitting me? No, the fire department did. That is terrible.
She's an evil person when she took the money. Of course she did.
Oh my god. While awaiting trial, Jacqueline, Chad, Christopher, and
Ryan originally denied any involvement, even though Chad had given a confession. He
minimized his role in it. But eventually they gave in and took some plea
deals. As I said before, or Chad was the first to actually confess
that he had something to do with it. Then Ryan confessed he was the
gunman. Then Jacqueline eventually confessed. She told prosecutors that she was willing to
testify against her mother. Yeah exactly, Yeah, your mom said you were
the right. And Chad, her boyfriend and who was also, by the
way, the father of her young child. Everybody's saving their own skin in
this one. Well hell yeah, hell yeah. Christopher was the last to
take the plea deal, and he ended up taking the plea deal. In
the day of the trial, they all pled guilty and were sentenced to are
you ready? Yeah? Are you sure? Really? What probation? Eight
to twenty eight years in jail in prison? Wow. The prosecution decided not
to charge Jacqueline as an adult because she was seventeen at the time of the
killing, so she was are you ready for this? Sentce in one month
in juvie one month? One month? Wow. She wasn't the mastermind behind
it, and she was just going along with her mom. It's okay,
I'm not you know, I can kind of my kids would be grounded longer
than that if they tried to. I mean, yeah, I'm not like
playing it someone killed, murdering with my teenage daughter. But still, okay,
I mean I'm not that's going to animize it because Aloma manipulated her.
That's true. That's true. Aloma was the only person tried. Oh good,
and they all testified against her. Course. The trial date was set
for June of twenty seventeen, and that guy pushed out because they were hoping
that she would take a plea but she didn't. No, she didn't do
it. He was abusive, right, she was in this well even if
he was abusive. Yeah, she's got to stick to her story. The
courtroom gallery was just packed daily with family members of Williams and Aloma's along with
all the EMS people and the firefighters. Aloma took the stand absolutely, she
put the performance of a life. She took that stand and told the jury's
how her daughter came up with the entire scheme to kill William, her seventeen
year old daughter. She made it seem like William and Jacqueline never got along
with each other and that there was just extreme tension in the household, which
was not the case. And then of course she expressed how abusive he was
towards her. But Alona's defensing they couldn't prove any of it. There,
you know, there's so she's saying all this, but there's no proof.
There were many character witnesses that came forward to testify about how amazing William was,
and the jury really ended up believing he was a stand up guy.
Some of the people in the courtroom were so upset that they had to lead
because they couldn't stop their tears. As I told you, Chad, Ryan,
and Christopher took the stand and spoke for the prosecution, and so did
Jacqueline. Her testimony was very moving to the jury when she described her relationship
with her mother, this really strange relationship where her mom annibulated her. It
made her feel guilty all the time, like you were saying. She told
the jury that her and Chad were approached while in a car with Aloma,
and she told the two about the new house and the one hundred thousand dollars
payout, and that if they would just do it, there'd be no more
debt for her. And already she'd manipulated and messed up Jacqueline's head so much
that I don't know, Jacqueline, like you said, just did what her
mom wanted to do. So you want to know a little twist in all
this, Yeah, Aloma thought that she would be getting Williams's life insurance policy.
Oh shit, right, yeah, but he hadn't had a chance to
change it. Actually to her, he told her he would, and she
thought, if you know, once they got married, it would happen.
But he never did Oh, he had a different beneficiary. It was Melody,
his daughter. Wow, so she didn't even get them. It wasn't
even a possibility. She did it all for nothing. Sad, I know.
Girl. Her children ended up talking to the news and just described how
shocked they were. They'd known Aluma for eight years, right, eight years,
and was like she was a stepmom basically to them, and they were
just shocked and horrified. But they were asked, do you feel angry,
and they said no, not for me. It's just sad. She was
like a step mom for so many years. None of us would have ever
guessed that anything like this would be the outcome. We just want to let
everybody know that this is a huge loss for a family and we are devastated.
So Aluma was convicted of first green murder and she is serving out a
sentence. Her sentence in Daytona Correctional Institution in Montgomery County, Ohio. I
hope they threw away the key. I'm sure they did. I hope,
so, I hope. So Wow, this is crazy. So I never
heard of this story before me neither poor William. I know, I feel
so bad. He sounded eight years together like a really awesome years together,
and you're making up breast cancer and you want this life insurance policy that,
by the way, doesn't exist. And Okay, I'm not trying to like,
one hundred thousand dollars isn't even that much money. I mean, it's
not enough to really kill someone over I mean, to her, Yes,
but she's a nurse. Yes, I mean, it's not like she's starving.
No, you're starving and desperate to feed your children. Yeah, one
hundred thousand It is a lot of money, but she's a nurse, she's
employed. She couldn't she just couldn't continue on the little lifestyle she wanted,
right, that's just sad. And she knew he was gonna find out,
right, right, But then so what if he did, well, maybe
he with divorce her or something. I don't know. I don't know.
He sound like a nice guy. He did he probably he probably would have
helped her pay it, all, right, right, right, probably been
like Okay, did she even love him? I know, did she love
him? That's just I don't think so. I don't think so. You
don't don't kill somebody you love, valid point, You don't making valid points.
You don't make a plan with a hundred people. That's true. Yeah,
I mean she's the best criminals. No, it's just wow, this
is just blew me away. Anyway, Well, thank you to Lea for
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special shout out to our friend Dave. Thank you Dave, who it's a
good friend that listens to us. He said, look one and a half
speed or something. What does listens to us? At one point five times
the regular speed while he's walking his dog, so he gets through a lot
in a short amount of period. So thanks Dave, Thanks Dave. Until
then, until the next episode, don't kill each other. Bye bye.