1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:12,119 Lee at the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true. And it 2 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:16,280 is not a question of the little cultism. What a touch of mysticism is 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,440 to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls and Hellipus 4 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:31,239 thy Father's spirit to do for a certain term, to walk the night here 5 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:35,479 the old gods are to dead? And what is the true god? He's 6 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:42,280 dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict progression of cause 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,159 to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, it's more 8 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:53,560 like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimi stuff. You're listening to Paranormal 9 00:00:53,799 --> 00:00:59,079 UK Radio. Hi, everybody, This is Arian Allan, the host of 10 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:03,959 the Paranormal Okay Radio Show, the flagship show of the Paranormal UK Radio network. 11 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,879 And I'm not going to forget his name today Mark Johnson's with me. 12 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:18,079 Very cool, you know it. You get a gold star and a sweete 13 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:22,519 bar in a sweetie bar, yes, oh, and a bunch of flowers. 14 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:26,159 Well you're you have eating a bunch of grapes so your shoes. That's 15 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:32,000 sweet as it is. When I come over, yeah yeah, well maybe 16 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,920 when we come over when I come over in August. You know, maybe 17 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,359 we'll we go shopping. I'll buy you pair of shoes. Don't worry about 18 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,760 the shoes, that's just want the handbag. Yeah, I know what the 19 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:52,799 handbags cost. Okay, all right then, but we will go shopping. 20 00:01:53,239 --> 00:02:00,159 Oh yes, definitely, in between visiting all the old historical paces is the 21 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:07,520 castles and the palaces and doing a little paranormal investigating while we're there. Yeah. 22 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:13,319 Yeah, you know something, my passports run out, so we could 23 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:19,520 have hopped a plane over to Italy. Well we're out here. Well you 24 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:22,759 have to get your pass support renewed before we could do that. Strike more 25 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,560 But who's on strike? People at the passport office on strike? Want more 26 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,599 money? Wow? Who isn't one strike over there right now? I don't 27 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,919 know. I could not name you an organization or anything that's not on strike 28 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:44,280 in this country. I know nurses were on strike and teachers and yes, 29 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:50,759 not that much better over here, is it? Oh yeah, it's nuts 30 00:02:50,759 --> 00:02:57,000 over here's going to go for another term. I don't even want to talk 31 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:01,599 about it politics on this show. No, is it true? Yeah, 32 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:08,800 well that's what I heard. But oh, so we'll talk about we'll talk 33 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:15,759 about all that stuff, but we'll talk about all that privately off the air. 34 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:21,520 No, I just said. I saw it on the news tonight and 35 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,439 I was quite surprised that he's going for another time. Yeah, we'll see 36 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:29,120 if he makes it. I don't think healthwise he's going to make it. 37 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:37,759 But that's just me subject. Change of subject. So so we've got me 38 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:43,479 coming over in August, and uh, I don't know what else I is 39 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,639 going on right now. I have some stuff working behind the scenes right now 40 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,560 that I'm not ready to talk about yet publicly. But we'll uh yeah, 41 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:58,240 well that will come out eventually. Yeah, it will. It will, 42 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,800 so we'll see. Plus, uh, maybe when i'm over there too, 43 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:06,280 we can try to work on one of these documentaries. Yeah. Yeah, 44 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:11,159 it does some filming. Like to finally get off my button start doing something. 45 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,480 I'd like to see you get off your button start doing something too. 46 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,319 Well, I need to. It's been a bad week. I lost my 47 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:24,360 doggie last week, so you know, that kind of put me in a 48 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:27,879 funk because it was my wife's dog. It was our dog, but you 49 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,199 know, it was really attached to her hip and and you know, brought 50 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,160 back a lot of brought back a lot of memories and feelings from a few 51 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:42,399 months ago. So it's uh, he definitely knows the difference around here. 52 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,680 So yeah, I'm trying to get off my button, be more productive and 53 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,759 not wallowing, you know what I mean? Yeah, okay, then yep, 54 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,680 all right, it won't be wallowing over here, darling, unless it's 55 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,360 in a river or something. Okay, all right, No, it'll be 56 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,240 a no wallo wing zone. No, no, I can't even say that. 57 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:14,000 Okay, now through one of those words at me that now, coming 58 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:18,240 upon it with another word, I get totally gone, tongue twisted, go 59 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:26,240 into alien speech. Well that's it, okay, yeah, alien speech. 60 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,759 I haven't heard that in a while. Well but my alien speech. Yeah, 61 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,920 you've actually been you know, talking English lately. Yeah, I know. 62 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:40,519 But it was bad yesterday. Nearly all day long. I was in 63 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:45,120 you know, coming out with this other language all the time. Grime was 64 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,680 just trying to keep up. It must drive him mental. Yeah, the 65 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,680 amount of times I asked him to want a sandwich and he handed me a 66 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,360 pair of socks. Mhm, it was absolutely ridiculous. He just can get 67 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,839 it. No, you'll get used to when you come over here. Okay, 68 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:10,800 I'm looking forward to it, definitely looking forward to it. So painting 69 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:19,560 my butt, I'm looking forward to it. All right, all right, 70 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:27,519 let's let's get this show on the road. Introducing our guest tonight, we 71 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:35,800 have Joshua Lewis. Now. Joshua is a paranam investigator. Works a lot 72 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:46,040 with instrumental transcommunication ITC so able he's been able to capture evidence of the afterlife 73 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:51,000 and communicate with spirits. He also has a book, Finding Hope in the 74 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Afterlife. So, Joshua, welcome to the program. Thank you, it's 75 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,399 an honor to be here. Thank you. Mark Irene, oh well, 76 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:11,199 thank you. Um so as a fellow investigator, the one what's that? 77 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:16,839 I said, yes, you all, mhm sure. I don't trust her. 78 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,839 I don't trust her anyway. You know, I've used a lot of 79 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:27,959 different tools, but I think it C is one of the few tools I 80 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,759 really have not dealt into. I've used spirit boxes and you know, just 81 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:41,800 even regular old EVP recordings, which are some of my favorite. But so, 82 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:45,279 I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about your background, 83 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:48,439 how you got into all of this, and you know, how you got 84 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:54,680 into these specialties. Sure, well, Mark, Just to clarify something, 85 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:00,639 all those things you just mentioned, our ITC so it TC is not just 86 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:05,560 relegated to a piece of equipment or anything. It's actually it stands for instrumental 87 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,879 trans communication. So if you're using an instrument to communicate, it is ITC. 88 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,079 So a voice recorder for EVP, is ITC A spirit boxes ITC all 89 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,360 of those things are and it's it's a you know, it's an amazing field 90 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:28,480 of study that still just is not being being looked at as much by mainstream 91 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,360 science. And that's okay. It really started out with guys, you know, 92 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,600 such as Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla. Um. These guys were creating 93 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:46,120 apparatuses. They were brilliant minds, creating boxes of different devices that could communicate 94 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:52,519 interdimensionally with voices, intelligent voices on the other side. Um. Tesla thought 95 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:56,480 it might be aliens Um, you know. Edison, you know, had 96 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:01,600 his suspicions it was spirit spirit um. And and so you know, the 97 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,759 list goes on to people like Frederick Jourgensen, who was a filmmaker. He 98 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:15,559 was recording, he was recording additional sound recording for film because he's a filmmaker, 99 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,879 and he had his recorder on the window sill, and when he listened 100 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:24,559 back, he heard voices and that got him into recording EVP and working on 101 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:30,960 ITC. You've got the brilliant Latvian scientist Constantine Rod about um. He was 102 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,120 someone that you know, said that ITC is not a hobby and not to 103 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,559 be uh, you know, treated lightly. It is a serious field of 104 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:45,960 study that should be taken seriously and and uh and and that's you know what 105 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,120 I believe as well. UM. In two thousands, in the late nineties 106 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:56,639 early two thousands, a man named Frank Sumption created a spirit BOXUM which was 107 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,000 just ah. He would take different parts of radios and kind of you know, 108 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,919 he would he would fashion them into these these these these casings, these 109 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,679 um housing boxes, and he would hack the radios so that it could it 110 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:20,600 could scan and skip over radio stations at a fast rate. And he didn't 111 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,000 create those boxes to really create to talk with spirit. He created them to 112 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,360 speak with aliens. But a lot of people we were getting his boxes. 113 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:37,200 They were all individual specially made and people would would get them and start recording 114 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,840 with them and doing sessions with them. And it's amazing. I own his 115 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,600 number seventy eight box on my shelf. I had the pleasure of getting to 116 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,679 know him before he passed away, and he's like known as the godfather of 117 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,840 the spirit box. And there were other people that were creating different things as 118 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,440 well, and um, you know, I started out as really just going 119 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,559 out into cemeteries and abandoned buildings with my partner Nikki, and we would take 120 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:11,799 a PSB seven, a seventy dollar you know, spirit box, cheap sparitbox 121 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:16,039 kind of thing, and a voice recorder and I'd go out there and I'd 122 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,240 ask questions, and you know, at night and i'd record things. You 123 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:26,240 know, i'd record my name and help me and want the light and sometimes 124 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,159 i'd get a get out or something like that. You know. But these 125 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,799 were really important messages because they showed me that you know, this wasn't on 126 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Ghost Adventures or some movie on TV. This was me recording it, and 127 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,240 so you know, this was real evidence. Using a spirit box, I 128 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:48,080 would get direct answers the PSB seven, I would get direct answers, them 129 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,480 saying answering, yes, no questions, they'd say my name, they'd say 130 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,279 a curse word sometimes, which you know is not radio and the way a 131 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,879 spirit box works, and I think a lot of parent normal people think it 132 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,080 works one way, and through my research I found that it works a little 133 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,720 bit different than what I think the majority of people think how it works. 134 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:16,200 But I'll explain that the spearbox will, like a radio spearbox, will will 135 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:22,679 scan through radio stations at a fast rate, and you will hear this sound 136 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,919 of and it's you know, skipping, and you hear a little bit of 137 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,559 the broadcast come through. If you skip faster, you're going to get less 138 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,279 actual words. If you skip the rate, if the skip rate is longer 139 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,240 skipping through those stations, you're going to get a little bit more of you 140 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,840 know, the words and possible phrases which could give you a false positive. 141 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,840 And that's that's one of the problems that a lot of paranormal people have. 142 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:54,759 They're using spearboxes kind of you know, the wrong way, or using apps 143 00:12:54,799 --> 00:13:00,360 in a way that they could get these false positives words that come through that 144 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:03,320 are not a spirit using it, and they think it's a spirit speaking and 145 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,879 it's not. But um what I found, you know, is that the 146 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,840 um it's not a spirit is not plucking words from the broadcast to time it 147 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:22,759 so that they can use that word alone. Necessarily that can happen. But 148 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,840 that's that that, like I said, creates false positives. What I found 149 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:33,039 was through my researches that spirit will take the bits and pieces of words or 150 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:39,519 of sounds and form their own responses and and so that's that's what I found 151 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,559 and and uh, and it's just amazing. So now what I get to 152 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,279 do. And you know, the thing is is that you know, once 153 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,039 I started doing all that research in the field, UM, I found that 154 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,519 I was picking up on spirit and and other messages, other and other things 155 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,320 that I was picking up on them myself. Um, I was getting stuff 156 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:03,960 on my own without equipment. And so you know, one day something changed 157 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:09,639 for me where I was hearing spirit very very clearly. I started working with 158 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:15,080 a brilliant mind, a brilliant teacher. Her name is Debora lyn Katz, 159 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:22,919 PhD. And she is an intuitive psychic medium who runs the school, the 160 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,200 International School of Clairvoyance. And I had the pleasure of working with her for 161 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,879 many years, you know, under her tutelage. And to date, I've 162 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:39,320 done over three thousand mediumship readings for clients without any equipment, just my own 163 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,519 intuitive ability, and it has just been absolutely amazing. But in addition to 164 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:48,360 those readings that I do without any equipment, I use, I use equipment. 165 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:54,720 I use different equipment for other readings for clients. And I've had the 166 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,720 pleasure of working with the BIX Institute, which is the big Low Institute of 167 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,799 con Justiness Studies UM, working with them to where they were they conducted experiments 168 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,600 on me and my ability and my equipment and uh, and was able to 169 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:16,039 prove that what I'm doing is of course very legitimate and very effective and real 170 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:22,039 and it's been it's been amazing. So you know, this is advanced your 171 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,919 communication, and a lot of people don't understand it. They don't get it, 172 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,879 and I don't blame them, because I can definitely understand, you know, 173 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,679 skepticism or disbelief. Um. You know, like I said, mainstream 174 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,559 science hasn't caught up to this yet, and I don't know when they will 175 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:45,240 or if they will. UM. But you know, there's and of course 176 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,919 you have you have people that don't understand it. You have people that have 177 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,320 certain religious views that are are really dogmatic. M You've got you've got people 178 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,519 that are out there doing this stuff and they're faking it. You know, 179 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:03,799 you've got fake mediums, you got fake paranormal investigators. They're an investigators. 180 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,440 They're doing things for effect, and there's a most shortage of them, especially 181 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,440 at the TV shows. Correct and so it muddies the water. It muddy, 182 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,120 it muddies the waters, you know, or whatever you want to say. 183 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 And so you know that can be a difficult uphill battle. You know, 184 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,159 I get called fake all the time, and I say, listen, 185 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,879 I've been proving my work for ten years. I work with professionals on it. 186 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:29,799 I do you know, private sessions for people. I'm always willing to 187 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,120 do it. I do it live. I do it live all the time. 188 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:34,840 I do it in live events, I do it live on streaming. 189 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,320 And I can do it anywhere with anyone at any time and show them what 190 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:45,399 I'm doing. I'll answer any skeptics questions as long as they're respectful. And 191 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:53,039 you know, but it's an amazing it's an amazing thing, all very interesting, 192 00:16:53,080 --> 00:17:00,639 a lot of information coming through here at once. Now, how long 193 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:07,640 did you spend working with this one woman to develop your own intuitive abilities? 194 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,680 Oh? For years? I mean I was, I was tuning in right 195 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,680 away. You know from the first lesson that we did with I did with 196 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,160 her, but you know, I mean I I graduated from her level one, 197 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:25,400 two and three classes and became one of her you know, um you 198 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,759 know good pupils. I should say, we just taught a masterclass last year 199 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,759 together. So it was like a ten year turnaround of you know, working 200 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:36,799 with her and um, you know, I'll just give you an example of 201 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,880 what, like how one of the things that she did to kind of see 202 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,559 where I was at when I first started working with her. Um she would 203 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:47,000 say, she said, Okay, well listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna have 204 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,480 you do a cold reading on me, a blind cold reading. And I 205 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,400 said okay, And she said, I'm going to give you a name, 206 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,240 and I'm not going to tell you if they're alive or dead. I'm not 207 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:57,519 going to tell you a last name. I'm not going to tell you anything. 208 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:00,400 I'm just going to give you the name, and I need you to 209 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:03,920 tune into that name. And for thirty minutes, she says, I'm going 210 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,880 to just sit quietly while you tell me what comes to me. And so 211 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,440 I'm not going to tell you what's right or wrong or if you're in the 212 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:14,200 right, you know, any of that. I'm not going to give you 213 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,680 any feedback. You just have to give it me the information. And so 214 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:22,640 she says to me, and I talk about this in my book, Finding 215 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,440 Hope in the Afterlife, and she says, okay, So I'm gonna give 216 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,640 you this name. She goes, Manny. She goes, that's it. 217 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:32,519 And I start looking at this name, Manny. I mean, it's like 218 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,279 ridiculous. I mean, it could be anything anybody. I mean, we 219 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:40,079 don't know what this is. And so the whole time that I'm getting information, 220 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:45,000 I feel like it's wrong. It doesn't make sense. It's it's so 221 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,799 random, but it's not, you know, And I'm so I'm saying, 222 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,599 Okay, I see this boy. He's like a sixteen seventeen year old kid. 223 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:57,680 I see he's mixed, he's got, you know, mixed backgrounds, 224 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,079 like I see two different cultures. I see him riding around in the desert 225 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:07,200 on a four wheeler. I see this sombrero. I see him playing a 226 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,559 guitar. You know, I see. Let's see what did I say? 227 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,720 I said? I said a couple other things. I said, Oh, 228 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:21,160 I see him smoking a joint, I said. And so when I was 229 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,759 done, and she goes, all right, that's enough. You've given me 230 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,759 enough information. Let's go through it, you know. And so I stop 231 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:29,599 and and she says okay. She goes, well, man, he's my 232 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,000 son, she says. And I said okay, and she goes, we 233 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:37,000 live in the desert. He rides around on his four wheeler. He's sixteen 234 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,039 years old. He sits in his room a lot of times too, and 235 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,960 he plays his guitar and on his wall, he's got this large sombrero that 236 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,680 sits on his wall. And you know, she's like, I'm white and 237 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:52,359 his father's Filipino, so he is mixed. And she goes, I don't 238 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,480 know if he's smoking a joint yet, really, but he's a good kid, 239 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:57,599 so if he is, I'm not too concerned about it, you know. 240 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,720 And I felt bad for ratting on her son. But that right there, 241 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,519 that was one of my first phone calls with her. And that right 242 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,680 there showed that, you know, what I was doing was I was tuning 243 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:15,160 into information, perceiving information that I didn't know previously, and you know, 244 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:21,759 and that led that started off. You know, are working together, and 245 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:23,279 that's how a lot of our call, that's how a lot of my calls 246 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:27,319 go when I do a reading for someone, they book a reading or whatever. 247 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,000 I don't want to know anything. I don't want to know about who 248 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,279 were you know, I don't want to know anything. When I give them 249 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:40,000 a meditation brief meditation for them to do prior to the reading, I get 250 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:44,839 on the phone and I say, okay, you know, just like that 251 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,920 phone call with Deborah, you know, to over ten years ago. I 252 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,720 mean you know, I say, give me the name, say the name 253 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:56,200 a couple of times, and then just be quiet for you know, ten 254 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:59,279 fifteen minutes. I'm going to tell you what I'm getting, and then I'll 255 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:02,440 check with you and we'll see if what I'm getting is making sense to you. 256 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,400 And you know, five ninety percent of the time, um, it's 257 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,119 it's close to dead on. And and then you know, that person after 258 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,839 we establish a connection, um, you know, the living person can ask 259 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,359 questions to who they who they are? Are are you know, connecting to? 260 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,680 And that's it. If I do a box session, you know, 261 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:26,119 I use any of my equipment, that's a different you know, I do 262 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,759 the same procedure where the person will give me the name, I'll tune into 263 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,039 them without any equipment, just you know, no feedback to see what I 264 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:38,079 get. And then after I feel we have established a connection with the love 265 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,319 with the loved one, I will turn on my equipment and I have different 266 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,880 various boxes and programs. I will use a voice recorder at times, um, 267 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,559 and I'll use a number of different pieces of you know, of equipment 268 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,200 and that will you know, and I record, we ask questions and I 269 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,359 have to go back and listen and review like a forensic audio expert has to 270 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,720 do with recordings, and um, I caption them and then I send those 271 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:12,000 those videos, those private sessions to the client. And I mean, we're 272 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:18,839 recording some of the most amazing responses from loved ones. And it's it's being 273 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,960 done on a daily basis. It's what's wonderful. Now. Is this something 274 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,960 that you're working on full time right now? Are you doing other types of 275 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:32,640 work on as well? No? No, I mean this is my I 276 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:36,839 own a business down in the city that I live in and I have some 277 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,160 property and stuff and you know, so I'm not at you know, completely 278 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,400 dependent on on just this, but um, you know, I have dedicated 279 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,960 close to one hundred percent of my time to this work. Over the last 280 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,119 I mean I've been doing it ten years, but I mean I've been dedicating 281 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,359 probably you know, close to all my time to it for the last six 282 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:02,119 or seven and and so yeah, I mean, this is this is what 283 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,680 I do. I have a channel on YouTube, book with over one hundred 284 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,960 and thirty thousand followers, and TikTok. I've got I show my clips on 285 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:11,480 there, you know, short clips, and I've got close to almost four 286 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:17,559 hundred thousand on TikTok. And you know, I mean, I I do 287 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:22,400 group sessions. I hold group sessions for patrons. I have some patrons that 288 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,079 I do, and then I do the private sessions for people. In addition 289 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,759 to I have a free app that I created for people to try on their 290 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:34,880 phone's iosa Android. It's called the Hope spear Box. I have a paid 291 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,000 version of that for computer, desktop, laptop, and that's a very advanced 292 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,799 program that's you know, it's got a lot of things in it, and 293 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,960 a book that I've I've released published for people to read. So yeah, 294 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,920 I mean this is what I do. That was very busy, Joshua. 295 00:23:55,279 --> 00:24:00,440 Do you actually just do readings and contact people that you know for people that 296 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:10,839 have blessed somebody. Well, do you actually also do um investigations into maybe 297 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,720 hauntings? I did most. I did a lot of investigations early on M 298 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,359 I did a lot of residential, commercial cases and um a lot of different 299 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,319 you know, some real crazy things. I did that that for the first 300 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:29,680 like maybe six years of this work. I still will do an investigation occasionally 301 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,759 for someone that if they have if they need something. But you know, 302 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,000 and what I do is I take people. You know, I have live 303 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,920 events. I've had live events in Saint Augustine, Florida, New Orleans, 304 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,759 Louisiana, Savannah, Georgia. I have another one that I'll be planning in 305 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:49,519 Key West. And when I do those live events, I take people the 306 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:53,799 first nights a three night a three day event, and the first day I 307 00:24:53,839 --> 00:25:00,559 take people on an investigation of a certain location. And it's just it's, 308 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,960 you know, it's wonderful. I still love you take your equipment with you 309 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:08,000 as well. Oh yeah, yep, yeah, yep. I take all 310 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,480 my stuff with me. Yeah, I got cases of stuff. Yep. 311 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,000 Over the years, I've you know, I've kind of whittled it down to 312 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,480 what I know I need. I don't need to be in a location for 313 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:26,359 eight hours in order for me to establish communication and find out information. Of 314 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,400 course, a long a long term investigation is can reveal a lot of information. 315 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,960 Um, but you know, I've got a few things that I know 316 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:38,079 now over these ten years that I've been doing this, that I know that 317 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,680 is a you know, what is effective for me? And have you ever 318 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:48,480 come up against anything nasty? I mean an assault? Yeah, I mean 319 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,279 it's it's been really it's not like demonic or nothing. I mean I think 320 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,279 everyone that gets a nasty message, they think it's a demon and so and 321 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:03,880 that is in America. Yeah, yes, correct, correct, it seems 322 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,720 right, that's what it does seem it seems like everyone. And really I 323 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,559 think what they're doing, I think is that they're looking for a scare tactic. 324 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,039 They're looking for a scare factor. I think that that raises their adrenaline 325 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:19,480 and they get excited and it gets spooky. But you know that's really not 326 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,359 the deal. That's really not the reality of the situation. There are nasty 327 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,559 things, but it's a people. It's people. There's nasty people a lot 328 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:36,079 of times or not a lot of times, but you know there are when 329 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,240 you go to those abandoned places. When you go to deal with maybe someone 330 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:48,359 that's in a home that's dealing with a problem, a lot of times it's 331 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,920 a person that's on the other side that's being nasty or being unruly, or 332 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,240 being difficult, and and a lot of times you just need to establish that 333 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:02,000 connection and try to talk to them and see if there's something that you can 334 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,440 do, you know, prayer and doing light work, you know, bringing 335 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,160 in the light will help. Absolutely. I mean, the prayer is big 336 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,880 time. Having a belief in a higher power is huge. Having a belief 337 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,759 and you know, in the source, Creator, God, whatever you want 338 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,799 to call it, that is here. That's the biggest factor that people don't 339 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,240 don't realize. But you know, yeah, I mean, I mean, 340 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,640 the biggest problem I ever had in the ten years of doing this that was 341 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,880 a reoccurring problem was in my own was in my own home. And it 342 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,119 wasn't because of some demonic entity that was trying to take over. It was 343 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,519 because I had a former resident that that still lived here that was no longer 344 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,599 living and they were on the deed of the house. They were on you 345 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:51,640 know, the previous deed, and they felt that they still owned this home. 346 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,359 And didn't want to live and didn't want to leave here, didn't like 347 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,920 the work that I did, and they were old school and try to put 348 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,319 down a certain authority in this home. And that that was a battle that 349 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:11,880 was fought over over years. Um and I'd like to say that I came 350 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,799 out on top of that one, um And and so you know, and 351 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,000 that's all documented on my channel. I mean what I mean, the the 352 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:26,240 amount of detail and factual information that came out from those sessions that we were 353 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,319 able to verify, UM was just remarkable. You know, it was just 354 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,799 undeniable and remarkable and just you know, you just can't you can't write that 355 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,920 kind of stuff. You know. It was just wonderful um and at the 356 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,279 same time difficult, but it was wonderful because it was just an amazing unfolding 357 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,680 of events. And uh, yeah, it's you know. So that's that's 358 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,119 really what I end up dealing with, or that's what I've dealt with in 359 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,839 the past. I understand that because I got three of my own and they 360 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,279 built this house, and sometimes it can be really really nice and other times 361 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:06,960 they can Yeah, yeah, they don't like necessarily something that's going on or 362 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,440 what you're doing. You know, yeah, so that that could be a 363 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,759 factor, but you know, um, I live with it. Oh, 364 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,599 I don't mind them. Yeah, just is the inn stay as long as 365 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,599 they want. Absolutely, And I said the same thing to him. I 366 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,759 said, listen, you either stay and get on board or you get out 367 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,440 because I'm not I'm not going to change what I'm doing. I love what 368 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,039 I'm doing, you know, and I and I do it for my higher 369 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,960 power, for Jesus Christ. I mean, that's who I that's what I 370 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,599 do. And I'm not religious at all, you know, I I do. 371 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,559 I have a connection to my higher power and I need to, you 372 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:47,240 know, show love. But I also, um, I've been through a 373 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,720 lot of crap in my life, so I'm not a pushover. Um. 374 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,160 You know, I am someone that will stand my ground. And you know, 375 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,720 ninety something percent of the stuff I capture for people is all positive life 376 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,079 old love filled messages talking of God, helping people, talking of the light. 377 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:08,640 Um, you know a lot of beautiful messages of helping people. Sometimes 378 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:15,480 you get a loved one with a client that you know is they're not mean 379 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,640 in the way they're saying, you know, fu or you know whatever, 380 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,480 but they might not want to communicate, or they might have had an issue 381 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,400 from while they were alive that they still are holding onto. So you still 382 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,599 get some personality things that happen, you know. But um, you know, 383 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960 these people that are out there searching for demons constantly, I mean, 384 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,920 they're going to find something evil. I mean, there's no question if you 385 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,359 keep rooting around for it, you're going to find Yeah. I mean, 386 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,559 well, those guys, I mean, not only are they finding negative things 387 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,279 when they're doing because that's what's going bringing it with them, they're bringing it 388 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,279 with them, but they're also you know, they're they're embellishing things, you 389 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,799 know, which is not that's not looked at as being a positive thing. 390 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,599 On the other side, Um, you know, there's a guy out there 391 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,559 on he's got a very popular channel with about three hundred and fifty five thousand 392 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:14,440 people on his channel, and he's got the name ITC, the word it 393 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,880 or the acronym ITTC in his name, and he asked for nothing but well 394 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,880 known people. I ask for well known people too. I think it's really 395 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,160 amazing what I capture when I ask for well known people because they're requested. 396 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,759 But you know, he's doing this and he's faking every one of his sessions. 397 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:34,079 He's been out it already as a fake. And and and you know, 398 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,160 I capture messages on my own where they mention his name and they say 399 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,319 he's in danger. Now I don't know what that means. I don't know 400 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:47,599 how he's in danger. But I'll tell you. If you're faking stuff and 401 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,680 you're you're you're doing that to try to get views, and you're trying to 402 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,920 embellish your information and your evidence, I can't see that as being a positive 403 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,920 thing. On the other side where people where souls. On the other side, 404 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:07,279 spirits are going to take that lightly, you know. Yeah, now 405 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,960 you've dealt with you said, you've dealt mostly with human spirits. And I'm 406 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,720 not talking or getting into demonic per se, because, as you mentioned, 407 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,799 what some people considered to be demonic are just you know, nasty humans. 408 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,240 Correct, the nasty in life, they're nasty by death. Correct. But 409 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,920 have you ever come across anything that you would classify as non human? Oh? 410 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,960 Absolutely? And the work that I I mean, the evidence I've captured 411 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:45,400 regarding that would be about extraterrestrials. So I've captured a lot on extraterrestrials. 412 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,640 Okay, yeah, so you know, again I go back to Frank Sumption, 413 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,920 the creator of the godfather of the Spirit box. He did not create 414 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,559 these boxes to speak with spirit, even though they you know, primarily are 415 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:04,279 being used for that, and that's what is happening. But you know, 416 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,599 he had contact, he believed he had contact with aliens. I would I 417 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,119 would concur that he was probably right. You know, something very interesting happened 418 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,839 that he you know, we were talking, him and I. We were 419 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,960 we became you know, I don't I wouldn't say friends, but we became 420 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,559 acquaintances. And we were communicating via Facebook and Messenger and all kinds of things. 421 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,240 And I had purchased his seventy eighth box and I was going to send 422 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,839 it back to him for him to you know, tune it up kind of 423 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880 you know, give it a little once over, and he was going to 424 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,759 do that for me. And then he made a post about a couple of 425 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,480 days after you know, we had agreed that I was going to send it 426 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240 to him, and we had already been talking for weeks about you know, 427 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,160 communication and things, and he made a post on Facebook that he had made 428 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,119 contact with the aliens. They had reached out to him, and they said 429 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:59,559 that in a week they were going to be coming to get him and that 430 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,920 he would be leaving. And I thought that was really interesting, you know, 431 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960 and I said, well, wait a minute, let me hold off 432 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,880 on sending him my box because I don't know what this means. You know, 433 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,320 I don't know what that means. And a week later he died of 434 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,280 a heart attack. That's really wild. And if you think back at the 435 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,719 movie like Kpax. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Kpax with 436 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,880 Kevin Spacey, but he was supposedly an alien in a human body, and 437 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,679 at some point he said, you know, he was going to be leaving. 438 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,519 They had locked him up, and he was. He said he was 439 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,960 going to be leaving. And at the time that he left, or when 440 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,760 when he leaves in the movie, his body is left behind, but of 441 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,199 course he's left. So I find that interesting that that's what happened to Frank 442 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:52,960 Sumption over my course, over the course of my sessions, I started capturing 443 00:34:53,519 --> 00:35:00,679 the spirits, saying the spirits come on a spaceship sometime, or they are 444 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,440 on a spaceship. They mentioned that I do water ITC, which is you 445 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,599 know, spirit photography, and I capture I do digital ITC, water ITC, 446 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,599 different forms of spirit photography. And I've captured some amazing visual evidence I 447 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:22,840 mean undeniable, undebunkable visual evidence that is just remarkable. And in one of 448 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,280 those images, I captured what looks like an alien face and it's just really 449 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:36,000 uncanny. And and so you know, again I've asked about them about you 450 00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,119 know, et, I've loved ones that are on this side. My patrons 451 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:44,159 have asked for their loved ones, and during those sessions, they'll say to 452 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:49,559 their loved ones, have you seen aliens or do you know if alien civilizations 453 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,840 exist? And they've all said, yes, we've seen them, Yes they 454 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:59,320 exist, they're real. One loved ones said, they've been here watching during 455 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719 my session. Um. I did a session, a private session for someone 456 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,119 the other day and the woman wanted to ask about them again, and he 457 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:14,880 said, yes, they're here right now watching and and that we've shown them 458 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,199 proof of transcommunication, that they want to help, that there's a lot that 459 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,239 want to help. So that you know, I get again positive stuff, 460 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,880 so you get this negative spin and there maybe you know there maybe the reptilians 461 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,239 out there that are you know, a negative alien civilization that is, you 462 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,000 know, possibly looking to do to you know, dominate or whatever. But 463 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:44,719 you've got a lot of positive feedback about aliens trying to help the ets, 464 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,679 trying to help us. So that's that I find to be very interesting. 465 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:51,639 And plus I've seen some stuff in the sky lights that are moving and then 466 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,480 stop and then move. So they're not just satellites or anything like that, 467 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:59,639 you know, or the i SS moving or anything like that. This is 468 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,400 there's something going on up there. Now. If that's you know, man 469 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,880 made hidden technology, I don't know, but you know, yeah, yeah, 470 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:15,559 yeah, Well where Irene lives as UFO Highway anyway, so I'll get 471 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,559 to see someone. I'm out there. I'm out there on my patio for 472 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,880 a few hours. Whether signs say you know, free, come and take 473 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,039 it. Did I believe me? I did do that to a friend of 474 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,280 mine. Actually, I sat her right there. I gave her a blanket, 475 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,360 I gave her a cup of tea or a drink of some sort I 476 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,480 can't quite remember what. And I looked her out there for about two hours, 477 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,320 said do you look coming back into got me a UFO camera. Well, 478 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,880 you know what's interesting about that is that you know, you got uh, 479 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:57,159 doctor Stephen Greer is doing the C five. You know in CE five 480 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,719 is UM you know, close encounter the fifth cond and you know he's got 481 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,880 this meditation, this this method that he teaches people on how to um you 482 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:15,280 know, focus on and visualize and going up into a ship and then you 483 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,679 know, you sit outside and you do this meditation and then when you're you're 484 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,440 you're done with the meditation, you you look up and there's a good chance 485 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,519 that you may have a craft above you, and that people have done this 486 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:37,320 and they have captured some remarkable evidence, visual evidence with thirty forty people out 487 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,920 there at the same time filming the same thing, so it's not just isolated 488 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,320 to one person, and they've made some really amazing contact. What's interesting about 489 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,840 what his process is is that is the same process that I teach and that 490 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:59,599 I do for reaching spirit very close to And I didn't know that I was 491 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:04,679 doing that for years, and then I was introduced to the to the CE 492 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,519 five method and I looked at it and I went, well, this is 493 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,599 what I'm doing already. I'm already doing this, So what I found was 494 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,440 that was very it was very validating of what I'm doing. And then I 495 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:20,039 it made me believe more in what doctor Stephen Greer is doing now. Whether 496 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,800 people have their opinions of him or not, I don't know. I mean, 497 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,599 you know, everyone that's out there that's actually doing legitimate work, you 498 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:32,599 can find some person that hates the guy and thinks he's the crappiest guy in 499 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,760 the world. You know, I got people that make videos on me, 500 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,840 and they try to make hate videos and stuff, and you know, they 501 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,119 try to debunk me, and I go, listen, You're not debunking anything 502 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,079 I'm doing. I'll even come onto your program and talk about my process, 503 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,679 and none of them ever take me up on it. They never take me 504 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,000 up on it. That was to show you're getting through to them in one 505 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:58,559 way in it. Yeah, I mean it has to be because you know, 506 00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,880 I know a lot of the people get hate videos made on them. 507 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,840 You know, they just go silent and don't say anything. And maybe they're 508 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,280 the smart ones. Maybe they're the smart ones that just leave it be. 509 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,039 I and I don't go after every one of them, but I will, 510 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,039 in a polite way at first reach out to them and say, hey, 511 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:20,280 listen, you know you're terribly mistaken, and I'm willing to talk to you 512 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,360 about this process and show you every aspect of what I do. There's no 513 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,559 part of my process or what I do that's like proprietary where I can't talk 514 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,840 about it or I'm not going to share it with you. I want people 515 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,119 try it. In fact, I've put my money where my mouth is so 516 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:44,840 much so that I have literally given you the tool that I am using in 517 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,440 every session. I'm giving you the tool for free to use yourself. This 518 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:54,360 is not some look at what I'm using. You can't use it, but 519 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,360 I'm going to give you another tool to use that you have to pay for. 520 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,360 You know what I mean. That's bullcrap. Like I'm giving you the 521 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,360 same tool that I'm using in every one of my videos. So when you 522 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,840 watch a video of mine a session and you're like, oh, bollocks, 523 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,239 this is crap. There's no way that this guy I'm using one of your 524 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,559 words. You know that, none of you know that note that this guy 525 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:21,440 can capture this, this is fake. Well, well crap. Go use 526 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,480 the tool yourself, and if you don't get the results right away, that's 527 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,320 fine, you know, I've been doing this for ten years, but that 528 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,480 doesn't mean you can't get the results. Let me help you get the results. 529 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,159 Let me give you some pointers. Let me show you what I'm doing 530 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,760 and how the process is. And if you're actually of sound mind and you're 531 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,679 willing to give it a go, and you're gonna give it some focus, 532 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,920 you're gonna you're gonna give it, you know, have some patience, You're 533 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,679 gonna have some persistence, then you will have you you will get results. 534 00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:00,519 But I you know, I get people that are already negative some times that 535 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,800 will say, oh bull crap. I just downloaded the app and I turned 536 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,639 it on and I tried it once and it didn't do anything for me. 537 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,880 Oh okay, then, well you just gave it such a great, you 538 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,159 know, a good fair shot there. I mean, I guess you just 539 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,639 determined it's all crap. That's just like regular EVP. You know how often 540 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,360 you catch a regular EVP correct correct? Very rarely so, right, unless 541 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,880 you're using something that you know, like I'm like I I went out and 542 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,280 purchased, you know, years ago, the DR sixty voice recorder, and 543 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,960 I'm sure it's come up in your discussions or I don't know, in your 544 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,159 field or whatever. And this recorder is a voice recorder that you know, 545 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:47,440 really captures some remarkable EVP, but it has it's got a sound to it 546 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:52,480 that makes it sound a little bit scratchier. And so you know what I 547 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,880 mean, just to talk about that for one second. I mean, that's 548 00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,039 a that's a voice recorder that Panasonic created in his not some ghost gear. 549 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:05,960 It's just a regular voice recorder that Panasa, you know, Panasonic created in 550 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,760 the late nineties. Um. And it's thirty dollars used to be thirty bucks. 551 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,480 And people were buying these for voice memos. You know, you leave 552 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440 a voice memo for yourself. You can you can record, stop recording and 553 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,639 then hit record again, so you can kind of you know, And people 554 00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:28,000 were sending these back to Panasonic complaining that they were hearing voices that were not 555 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:34,280 theirs, and and Panasonic could not explain the phenomenon, so they said eventually 556 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,639 they just deemed it as being a defective voice recorder because of a faulty chip. 557 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,480 And they said that no, it said that they that the faulty chip 558 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,199 mimicked voice or mimic the human voice. I've never heard I mean that's ai. 559 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,920 I mean, that's that's not something that's just a faulty chip. That's 560 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,559 crazy, and that would that you know, so that wasn't really the case. 561 00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:01,079 When when when when paranormal people start getting them, they realized that there 562 00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:05,719 was something to this voice recorder, and of course it was discontinued. So 563 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,119 the price on this thing skyrocket into astronomical amounts and um, and so what 564 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,920 happened is that, um, you know, people started buying them and I 565 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,039 got them when they were like a thousand dollars. Now they're like three or 566 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,599 something. I don't know what they are, but I mean, what's happening 567 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:28,039 in that they are not? They are not? So people are selling their 568 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,920 for this sort of money. Yes, yes, yes, it's on the 569 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,679 black mark. You know, it's on the the you know, the whatever 570 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,079 you want to call it, the free market there, but they are you 571 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:43,480 know, this voice recorder creates an internal hissing sound, a steady sound goes. 572 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,719 It's like, this is what I was going to say. You know 573 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,320 they say that the white noise and one thing or another helps. How did 574 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,320 we know, Well, we don't know that the um but whoever is whether 575 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:01,000 it's scantcists where it's aliens, whether it is people from the who have passed 576 00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,760 over, How do we know that they're not creating their own sort of white 577 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,719 noise on this particular machine to try and get through. Well, no, 578 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,719 I mean that's exactly right, Irene. I mean you're you're you're right on 579 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,840 the money with that. I mean, so the recorder, most other recorders 580 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,159 are so silent, they're they're they're more expensive, they're noise canceling there, 581 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:24,800 they're all kinds that they're better technology, so they don't create any sound at 582 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,199 all. So now the spirit has to really impart their own energy in a 583 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,920 way that you know that you can hear the shifting the imprint of their energy 584 00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,800 onto the onto the voice recorder. But but but with this older voice recorder, 585 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:46,760 because it's so cheaply made, it creates this sound. And when it 586 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,920 creates that sound, that yeah, that sound, it will the spirit can 587 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,719 take that sound in kind of you know, build on it, and it's 588 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,440 there's no words, there's no nothing in it. It's just that steady sound. 589 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:07,280 But they're able to manipulate that sound and create their own um, you 590 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,159 know, whisper. That's a little bit louder, and so we can get 591 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:15,440 some wonderful communication with the DR sixty. And I have two of them because 592 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,960 because of that, because of that reason, so that is in my arsenal. 593 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,719 And of course I have other voice recorders that are not like that, 594 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,519 that are that are you know, Sony's and other other you know, really 595 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,079 effective recorders, just not as effective as the DR sixty. Oh that's it. 596 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,800 Well, another thing I wanted to ask, who is when you are 597 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,639 communicating? Have you ever been tempted to ask what it's like on the other 598 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:42,280 side? Oh? I asked that all the time. Oh yeah, yeah, 599 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:43,760 yeah, of course I asked that all the time. I mean I 600 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,920 get the majority of people say, it's wonderful, it's beautiful, it's amazing, 601 00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:51,159 it's it's it's it's it's all that you can imagine and more. Um, 602 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,360 there's light, there's love, there's loved ones that have passed on that 603 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,960 they get to you know, reconcile or or or you know, um, 604 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,199 you know, get up with again, and that there are uh, there's 605 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,639 a lot like things that are like Earth. There's there's stuff, there's places, 606 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:10,559 there's things, um, you know, they sleep, they there's jobs 607 00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:14,199 and you know, not jobs that you have to work because you know you're 608 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,039 forced to, but there's there's tasks and things that you know, there's there's 609 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:21,760 projects and um, you know, there's all kinds of things. Um. 610 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,079 People can stay behind here and kind of live kind of you know here around 611 00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,840 here, or people can move on to another another higher dimension that that is 612 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,440 still is reminiscent of you know, a paradise earth that has um. You 613 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,360 know, there's different aspects to it. Um, there's higher dimensions. People 614 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,760 that didn't live very good and have you know, died under traumatics you know, 615 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,920 or or or or you know, we're negative in life and they might 616 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,199 feel, um that there's not as much light on the other side, that 617 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,679 they're kind of in some darkness and it's not hell. Um. You know, 618 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,639 it's not permanent either, um any one because you know, we don't 619 00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:06,039 lose free will, free choice that you know, you don't have to go 620 00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,000 to the other side, and you know it's not like God just comes and 621 00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,599 gets you and says, all right, it's time for you to come with 622 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:16,199 me now and go live with me and be happy forever in heaven forever. 623 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,119 You know, there's experiences people are having still on the other side. There's 624 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:27,159 a journey still on the other side. And if someone wants to you know, 625 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:32,199 that was spiritual in their life and they did good things and they want 626 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:38,559 to continue on that that divine journey, they will have those experiences with ie 627 00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:45,960 a God or an ascended master. But if you don't want to, you 628 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,320 don't have to, you know. But there are experiences that people have that 629 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,239 open their eyes to the divine and to the light. But you know, 630 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,679 you get people that are still like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm gonna 631 00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:02,199 still live in my home. I'm gonna around my family, and you know, 632 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,679 and they do that, and they do that, you know, yeah, 633 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,320 well, I mean and in so many cases with when we're dealing with 634 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:20,079 the voices and talking to people, you notice it's almost always people within maybe 635 00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,519 the last the most maybe one hundred years, maybe one hundred and fifty years, 636 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:30,719 not counting certain famous hauntings that I would call time slips myself, not 637 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:37,559 not just regular hauntings. But it seems like eventually even those who stick around 638 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:43,039 for a while, say like the person who owned your house and didn't want 639 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:47,760 to leave, eventually things happen where they do leave. Absolutely absolutely. You 640 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:54,239 know, if someone is continuously being called upon because they are a famous haunting, 641 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,519 then they will show up because they're still being shown energy. They're getting 642 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,679 energy from that. You know, there's people that are showing up to talk 643 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,519 to you know, whoever it is, or looking to hear about them. 644 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,800 You know, you have people's houses that are now turned into historic sites and 645 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,719 there's tours and there's a museum and things of that nature. So you may 646 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,320 have those people that come back or want to stick around. But eventually, 647 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,239 if they're not paid attention to, or eventually, if enough time passes where 648 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:29,880 the memory of that person is kind of forgotten on, you know, forgotten 649 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,840 about, they have no reason to stay and then they start to wander or 650 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,440 figure out, well what's next, and then there might be an opening for 651 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,239 them to move on. But um, you know, yeah, so I 652 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:49,000 mean that that is that is the truth there. Yeah, I mean I 653 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,960 I reached out to Marilyn Monroe asking for Norman Jean Baker. You know, 654 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,119 I asked for her months. I think it was like over a year ago, 655 00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,559 and um, you know, I never know. And I also I 656 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:05,519 give this caveat, you know, I give this disclaimer that you know when 657 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,119 I'm asking for I am an evidential medium, so I do need to get 658 00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:12,920 some things to verify that it is that person. I'm not just taking their 659 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400 word for it. But you know, I also say that when, especially 660 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,079 if I'm asking for a well known person, there is no guarantee that I 661 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,719 am getting that person. I do not There's no way for me to, 662 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:29,239 you know, one hundred percent prove that I am speaking with that person. 663 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,480 So all I can do is do what I do intuitively, which is tuned 664 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,400 into that person myself. It's not just turning on my equipment going hey, 665 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,599 who's there? Can this person come through? Is that person available to talk? 666 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:45,000 I mean, I will say something like that, but I still need 667 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,920 to focus on them first, and I need to connect with them, you 668 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,519 know, intuitively first. And if I feel that I have a connection, 669 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,119 that my intuitive phone call made it went through, they picked up, then 670 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,000 I will go to my box and I will use it. But if I 671 00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:02,960 don't feel like I'm getting them, then I don't feel like I'm going to 672 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,480 get them through the box. So when I feel I've made a connection, 673 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,960 then I go and I ask for them, and then I capture responses and 674 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,039 all I can do is or I capture them and then I all I can 675 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:17,360 do is review them and caption them and with what I feel I'm hearing. 676 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,440 And of course I can't say that all my captions are one hundred percent accurate. 677 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,960 I mean again, I'm going off what I'm hearing. What my best 678 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:30,199 guess is my best you know, educated guests of experience with this. But 679 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:37,559 what I find is that a lot of those responses are factual, detailed responses 680 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,760 um that that will say something that either was known or a lot of times 681 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,679 say things that were that was not known and then can be later verified. 682 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,679 And that is really interesting. So I you know, I did ask for 683 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,280 you know, like I said, you know Nora Majeene Marylyn, and you 684 00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:01,440 know she was you know, she was okay, but she was still kind 685 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,119 of looking for something, you know, she was still looking for some help 686 00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,360 in some way. She was not like stuck in a way that she was 687 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,800 just trapped in some darkness and she didn't know anything, but she was she 688 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,119 was okay, and she answered questions or the questions were answered and they were 689 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:22,719 answered according to what they were very indicative of what those of what the answers 690 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,400 that you know Marylyn would say or could say, but you know, there 691 00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:32,239 was this aspect of her looking to go to an even higher level, and 692 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,199 I thought that was really interesting, you know. And I get some people 693 00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:37,360 that are well known that are like, oh, yeah, I'm in the 694 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,639 light, I see God, I am you know, I am good. 695 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,400 I don't need any help. I'm fine, I'm I'm It's wonderful. And 696 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,239 then I get some that are like, where is the light? I'm I'm 697 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,159 I'm in some darkness here. I do need some help. I'm I'm frustrated. 698 00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:58,960 I'm upset about some things. You know, I'm not in physical pain, 699 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,920 but I'm in emotional pain, and and they need some help, you 700 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,800 know, or you know, whether they get the help from me or not. 701 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,360 I'm not saying I'm egotistical to think that I'm the one that's going to 702 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,079 give them the help. But you know, the only thing I can do 703 00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,039 is talk to them like a like a person, not like some ghost or 704 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:20,760 Boogee monster or whatever. I talk to them like a human being. And 705 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,079 then I pray for them, and I ask for the light, and I 706 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,360 ask for help for them, and I had, you know, and that's 707 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,079 all I can do. And I trust that you know, it's being honored, 708 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:37,559 so that, yeah, that's good. Not just one question. Have 709 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:45,440 you ever contacted or what you thought was um something nice and attracted it into 710 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:54,360 your own um surroundings? I don't, I don't understand what you mean. 711 00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,440 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean if you don't know, maybe was you 712 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:04,960 or trying to lure you in and then it reveals itself to be something nasty. 713 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,400 No, I don't feel I've ever had that, And if I do, 714 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:12,039 then I feel that my protection got you know, kicked in where I 715 00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:17,800 just didn't even have to deal with anything, you know, again the spirit 716 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,199 box. And I understand that people think that the Weigi's a portal to hell 717 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:27,440 and that when you play it, that you're opening yourself up to you know, 718 00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,920 demons to butt rape you or something. I don't know, you know, 719 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:37,280 I understand that that's the fear. And I played Weigi you know, 720 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,440 early on. That was my first paranormal experience, and the board was effectively 721 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,519 working for two hours and all messages of positive messages at the end to we 722 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,719 started to get someone being a little bit you know, they were being a 723 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,960 little like they were saying some you know, crude things, at the end, 724 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,800 I feel like it was someone that just kind of like was hanging around 725 00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,519 watching and then just came into be kind of They weren't even a negative. 726 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,280 They were trying to be like dirty a little bit, you know what I 727 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,199 mean. Like it was just whatever. But that's the human nature. And 728 00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:09,960 and so you know, I never had a negative experience with the Wuiji board, 729 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:16,519 but these boxes and recorders and even the Wuiji board are not. You're 730 00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:23,440 not That's not what's going to let them in or let someone in. It's 731 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:29,480 just connecting. It's incorrect. It's you yourself. And if you have a 732 00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:35,280 belief in a higher power and you're a positive person with good intent, then 733 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,960 you can do this work. If you're a wishy washy person that's really negative 734 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,880 and you don't have any belief and a higher power, God or any kind 735 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,639 of you know, benevolent, loving high you know, higher power, then 736 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,159 I necessarily wouldn't do this work. And it's not because demons are going to 737 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,440 butt rape you. It's because some negative guy is going to get in and 738 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,519 convince you that it's that it's a demon or something like that, and that 739 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:07,559 can mess with your mind. That's what I get Okay, that's what I 740 00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:12,400 feel is the case. Okay. And so just like on Facebook, if 741 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,519 I make a post, yeah, and then I get a lot of positive 742 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:22,079 feedback, But then I get one troll that comes on and says, you 743 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,599 know, if you you're a piece of crap man, you know that's a 744 00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:31,639 troll. They were able to get communication across to me via the vehicle I 745 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:38,039 was using, which was the post. So the negative comment landed. But 746 00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:43,199 now I'm going to delete the comment and I'm going to block the person, 747 00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,880 and that person's not going to come in again. So I have the ability 748 00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:53,159 to block or delete and block the same with doing this, I can tune 749 00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:57,480 it out. If I ever hear a negative comment, I just don't really 750 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,840 pay attention to it. I go over it, I go past it. 751 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,280 If it's something that's persisting, which is rare, um, I will address 752 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,440 it and I will say you're not welcome here. I'm I'm bathed in the 753 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,920 light of Christ, and so are my guides, and you know, and 754 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,039 and we don't well, we don't welcome negative you know energy here. But 755 00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,679 if you're negative, then maybe all I can do is just show you some 756 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,360 love, some tough I don't do something very similar. I do something very 757 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:30,400 similar. I ran an organization for many, many years called Spirit Rescue International. 758 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,119 Yeah, great, Mark was part of that. We worked all over 759 00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:42,519 the world, uh daaling with you know, mainly the majority of the time 760 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,880 Mark. It was negative, wasn't it. Oh yeah? Negative? Or 761 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:52,400 just borderline yeah, something like low level? Yeah yeah yeah. Well we 762 00:58:53,000 --> 00:59:00,079 worked all around the world, you know, doing this, and uh what 763 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,360 was it going to say? I forgot what it's going to say? Now, 764 00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,920 Oh I agree with what you say, But why you turn around and 765 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,239 you say something nice to it, like you know, you wope with the 766 00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:15,679 body of Christ or whatever. Something comes in it into my atmosphere that's negative, 767 00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:20,559 and my hand goes up and the word if off comes straight out at 768 00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:24,719 it with such power it's unbelievable. Correct, and you're absolutely back away. 769 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,320 You're absolutely right, and you are absolutely well within your right to say, 770 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,320 you know, f off if you know. First of all, let me 771 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,239 just establish this right now. I will not put up with any of your 772 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,599 negative bullshit you know or whatever. You know. I will not deal with 773 00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:43,400 that. I'm not the one, but I will maybe try to show you 774 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,000 some love. I'll pray for you, but you're not gonna You're not gonna 775 00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:50,880 land your negativity on me. And the low level stuff is is a lot 776 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,079 of times it's just low level people, low level vibrating people, soul spirits 777 00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,280 that just don't, you know, want to continue to spread negativity as they 778 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,159 did when they were. Are there demons? Yes, there are, Okay, 779 01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:07,239 there are. I believe there are. I also believe that I don't 780 01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:12,079 believes in the way the church talks about them. Maybe not, you're you 781 01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,320 know what, you're right? Maybe not, But I will say this when 782 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:21,079 I ask, when I've asked people souls on the other side through the box 783 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:27,159 about hell, I get that there isn't a hell, but I get that 784 01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,960 there is the wolf, and that I've got the comment about the wolf about 785 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:37,039 three times now, and that's a very interesting comment. They say there's no 786 01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:40,039 evil, but there is the wolf, like there's no place of evil, 787 01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:44,519 but there is the wolf. So I don't get in all of my ten 788 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,760 years, I don't get that there's a pit of fiery hell burning with souls 789 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:53,400 for eternity because they were a bad soob for eighty years while they were alive. 790 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,880 What I do get is that there's karma there is reincarnation. There is 791 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,840 karma. And if you do stuff like a John Wayne Gacy serial killer Dahmer 792 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,239 kind of guy, those guys are going to be in darkness for a while. 793 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,679 They're going to also have to experience what they did at some point that 794 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,639 will be settled and will be dealt with and they will be free to move 795 01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:20,679 on to a different level. Um. And that's what I get a lot 796 01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:23,119 of that the heaven and hells between your ears, your two ears, and 797 01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:28,039 so that there's a lot of what we create here and now is that we're 798 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,039 going to kind of reap the benefit in a sense on the other side. 799 01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:34,719 And so if you're a negative person here and do a lot of bad things, 800 01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,840 you hurt people, you've maybe killing someone, I don't know, whatever, 801 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,719 you're gonna deal with that. And it's not even that God's going to 802 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,360 judge you, or that the Devil's going to come take you away and you 803 01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:51,119 oh sorry, carry on. No, I was just that that you're that 804 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:55,360 you're going to judge yourself at some point. You can't escape you can't you 805 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,880 can't escape eternity, you know, And so that you can hide in the 806 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:01,639 darkness for as long as you want. But I mean, eventually, you 807 01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:05,000 know, you're going to have to come to reckon with what you've done. 808 01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,039 And uh, and it's you that's going to have to deal with that, 809 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:12,280 it's not you know, God's punishing you. So you know, that's what 810 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,360 I find. I think the system is pretty perfect in that, but it's 811 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,800 not perfect to the short sighted human that maybe loses a child or or has 812 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,880 or does good things in their life and then has bad things happen to them. 813 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,320 Sometimes you know that, you know, karma can explain for all of 814 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,519 those things, but you still can't tell that to someone that's going through that 815 01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:36,679 at that time, you know. And we don't want to hear that when 816 01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:38,159 we're going through something negative, right, We don't want to hear that we 817 01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:42,599 did something previous life that might have brought this on or it's part of our 818 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:49,480 soul's lesson journey. But yeah, I think that's the truth. My karma 819 01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:59,239 ran over my dogma. You know, I'm right there with you, definitely. 820 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,679 Most everything you're talking about is what we've experienced over time in our not 821 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:13,079 only our research, but some of our other pursuits. Um I actually downloaded 822 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:17,760 your app. Well, we're okay doing the show, so from THEOS or 823 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,519 Android. Yeah, you can just go to your if you have your iPhone, 824 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,239 go to the Apple store yea, or the app store or if it's 825 01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:30,360 and I'll give you a quick tip that will save you a lot of trouble 826 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,800 and that people just don't realize. Um, So just to give you an 827 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,000 example to just understand or just explain that really quickly. The app. So 828 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:44,440 because I found out that spirits are not just plucking words from broadcasts, and 829 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,960 you know that's not how that's being done. That they're taking the bits and 830 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,199 pieces of the broadcast in forming their own words. I didn't want to get 831 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,079 any more false positives in my sessions where I think a spirit speaking and it's 832 01:03:55,159 --> 01:04:00,000 not. So what I did was I created sound banks for my app that 833 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:06,800 we're all gibberish. There's no words in the app. Okay. So what 834 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,360 I've done is I've created different sound banks of different people's voices, of different 835 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,280 genders and ages. So you've got young male, female, middle aged female, 836 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:23,360 and male, older male and female, and they're all just sounds of 837 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,079 human voice with no words. What I do is I take a human voice, 838 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,679 I will reverse it, I will slow it down to about sixty percent, 839 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,760 and then I'll chop it up into two second increments and then randomly put 840 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:45,400 them back together. So you've got nothing but just okay, just a bunch 841 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,480 of gibberish. And what you're doing is you're feeding. You're picking a bank 842 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,079 because if you want to speak to someone, you want to maybe speak to 843 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:55,159 a loved one, you can focus on them, ask for them to come 844 01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:59,559 in, think of a happy memory of them with you, visualize their face 845 01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,079 and ask them to work with you with the app. And then you can 846 01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:08,400 pick of a sound bank that would kind of closely suit what they sounded like, 847 01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:14,079 you know, generally when they were alive. And then you load that 848 01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:17,280 bank the app. You after you choose it, and then there's an effect 849 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,480 that's put on it which is just reverb, just a little bit of echo, 850 01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:27,000 and the echo elongates the sound wave, allowing the spirit to have more 851 01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:30,679 of you could say, paint to paint on the canvas in a sense, 852 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,280 to formulate their own response out of that gibbersh. Now, people, now 853 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,519 you don't want to open this, So there's a noise gate, it's called 854 01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:42,880 the noise gate on the app. And so you after you pick your bank, 855 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,119 then you're ready to go. It's still sitting in silence, and you 856 01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:49,960 want to hit record and ask a simple question, Hey, how are you? 857 01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:55,320 It's me are you there? And after you ask that question, after 858 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,559 hitting record you ask that question, you take your finger and you slide the 859 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,639 gate open, and then the second you slide it open, close it. 860 01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:09,000 People are opening it for too long and there's too much sound coming through, 861 01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:13,039 and the spirit might be using it, but there's too much sound that the 862 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,159 response is getting lost in the gibberish. So what you want to try to 863 01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:21,360 do is just open the gate for literally like a second, barely and then 864 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:27,159 close it. And that's only going to allow there's a three second delay because 865 01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:30,639 that gives them a little bit more time to manipulate that sound, the raw 866 01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:35,000 sound, to form their own response. But it's just going to allow just 867 01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:40,639 a little bit of sound out, which will they have to form a one, 868 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,760 a two, or three word response within that short interval of sound, 869 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:47,239 and you know, it can cut off some of their response, and you 870 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,599 know, and that is part of the challenge. But we don't want constant 871 01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:56,599 sound because it's just too much. So we want to just ask that question. 872 01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:59,800 You say, hit record, ask a question, open the gate, 873 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,360 close the gate, let the sound come out, and then stop, and 874 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:10,000 then stop recording, and then you may hear what they're saying in real time. 875 01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:13,679 But but I'm telling you eighty percent of what I capture, I have 876 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,960 to listen. I have to hear after I record it. So you know 877 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:23,199 there's real time communication. But a lot of times you got to go back, 878 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,840 and a lot of people don't get that, and you got to go 879 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,840 back and you got to listen. So that's why there's the recording feature there. 880 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,639 Then you can go right to the recording tap and go back and listen 881 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:35,239 to the recording, and then you can you can email it, you can 882 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,599 send it, save it, you can you know, save the recording. 883 01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:41,920 I wouldn't record for more than just one question, and then if you're going 884 01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,960 to do another question, do another recording. That keeps it simple. But 885 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,639 yeah, don't open that gate for too long. Mark, you know, 886 01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:54,119 just the second you open it, you want to close it. Okay, 887 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:59,280 I'll definitely be playing around with that tonight. I'm a lie because I'm going 888 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,920 to download and if I've got a question is Joshua, I'm gonna get in 889 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,440 touch with you all on Facebook, is I had do you do it? 890 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,199 No, it's fine. I mean I'm always willing to try to help people 891 01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:11,360 do it, and it's for free, and I don't mind helping people. 892 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,920 I already sent your friend requests. So we are coming up here on the 893 01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:21,680 end of the show, So let's talk about where people can find you and 894 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,039 the best way to reach out to you and where can they find your book. 895 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,960 Yeah, so everything that's related to what I do. And you know, 896 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,640 I'm Hope Paranormal. I mean that's I mean, I'm Joshua Lewis medium, 897 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,880 but I mean, you know, my group and it's just me really 898 01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:43,720 is just Hope Paranormal. And so Hope Paranormal dot com is my website and 899 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,640 you can find everything related to what I do there Hope Paranormal dot com. 900 01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:53,640 And you know, the book is on Amazon, as you said, the 901 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,640 app is on iOS Android. I have a paid version of the app that's 902 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,680 meant for desktop and computers only, and that is a that's a that's a 903 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:06,279 badass program. I mean, that's called the HSP Pro and that has only 904 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:12,840 meant for it's an online based web based program and there's three different boxes programs 905 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,359 in there. To use. You can record a caption your stuff. You 906 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:20,720 can. It's just amazing and it's a membership based deal. But so that 907 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:25,520 that's on my website as well. I have events. I don't have a 908 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,800 new one planned yet, but I have. I just did three of them, 909 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,039 and I have my channel, my channel Hope Paranormal and the TikTok's and 910 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,479 you know, book readings with me and sessions with me. So all that's 911 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:45,079 their Hope Paranormal dot com. That's brilliant, absolutely brilliant. A friend request 912 01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:48,479 too. All right, well, Joshua, thank you so much for coming 913 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:55,840 on the show. This was really enlightening in so many different ways. We'll 914 01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:00,520 definitely be checking out now. You also have your YouTube channel as well, 915 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,680 right, all of your different videos and sessions posted, so we'll be checking 916 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,000 that out as well. Yep. And I have a new channel that's called 917 01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:15,079 Joshua Lewis Medium where I'm showing more of my mediumship abilities, i should say, 918 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:16,960 on that YouTube channel. So you got you got a couple of different 919 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:26,840 options to see what it is I'm doing. Fantastic, Okay, all right, 920 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,680 we'll fantastic. Well, Joshua, thanks again and thanks for having me 921 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,680 number one. Thank you for tuning in to another edition of the Paranormal UK 922 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:41,399 Radio Show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and Irene. 923 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:46,399 Where can people find us? Everywhere? People? Okay, all right, 924 01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,920 everyone, you have a great evening and we will catch you all in 925 01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:53,960 two weeks. Have a good one, we'll talk to you. Say good 926 01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:08,880 humans. Hi,