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is not a question of the little cultism. What a touch of mysticism is
to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls and Hellipus
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the old gods are to dead? And what is the true god? He's
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to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, it's more
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the Paranormal Okay Radio Show, the flagship show of the Paranormal UK Radio network.
And I'm not going to forget his name today Mark Johnson's with me.
Very cool, you know it. You get a gold star and a sweete
bar in a sweetie bar, yes, oh, and a bunch of flowers.
Well you're you have eating a bunch of grapes so your shoes. That's
sweet as it is. When I come over, yeah yeah, well maybe
when we come over when I come over in August. You know, maybe
we'll we go shopping. I'll buy you pair of shoes. Don't worry about
the shoes, that's just want the handbag. Yeah, I know what the
handbags cost. Okay, all right then, but we will go shopping.
Oh yes, definitely, in between visiting all the old historical paces is the
castles and the palaces and doing a little paranormal investigating while we're there. Yeah.
Yeah, you know something, my passports run out, so we could
have hopped a plane over to Italy. Well we're out here. Well you
have to get your pass support renewed before we could do that. Strike more
But who's on strike? People at the passport office on strike? Want more
money? Wow? Who isn't one strike over there right now? I don't
know. I could not name you an organization or anything that's not on strike
in this country. I know nurses were on strike and teachers and yes,
not that much better over here, is it? Oh yeah, it's nuts
over here's going to go for another term. I don't even want to talk
about it politics on this show. No, is it true? Yeah,
well that's what I heard. But oh, so we'll talk about we'll talk
about all that stuff, but we'll talk about all that privately off the air.
No, I just said. I saw it on the news tonight and
I was quite surprised that he's going for another time. Yeah, we'll see
if he makes it. I don't think healthwise he's going to make it.
But that's just me subject. Change of subject. So so we've got me
coming over in August, and uh, I don't know what else I is
going on right now. I have some stuff working behind the scenes right now
that I'm not ready to talk about yet publicly. But we'll uh yeah,
well that will come out eventually. Yeah, it will. It will,
so we'll see. Plus, uh, maybe when i'm over there too,
we can try to work on one of these documentaries. Yeah. Yeah,
it does some filming. Like to finally get off my button start doing something.
I'd like to see you get off your button start doing something too.
Well, I need to. It's been a bad week. I lost my
doggie last week, so you know, that kind of put me in a
funk because it was my wife's dog. It was our dog, but you
know, it was really attached to her hip and and you know, brought
back a lot of brought back a lot of memories and feelings from a few
months ago. So it's uh, he definitely knows the difference around here.
So yeah, I'm trying to get off my button, be more productive and
not wallowing, you know what I mean? Yeah, okay, then yep,
all right, it won't be wallowing over here, darling, unless it's
in a river or something. Okay, all right, No, it'll be
a no wallo wing zone. No, no, I can't even say that.
Okay, now through one of those words at me that now, coming
upon it with another word, I get totally gone, tongue twisted, go
into alien speech. Well that's it, okay, yeah, alien speech.
I haven't heard that in a while. Well but my alien speech. Yeah,
you've actually been you know, talking English lately. Yeah, I know.
But it was bad yesterday. Nearly all day long. I was in
you know, coming out with this other language all the time. Grime was
just trying to keep up. It must drive him mental. Yeah, the
amount of times I asked him to want a sandwich and he handed me a
pair of socks. Mhm, it was absolutely ridiculous. He just can get
it. No, you'll get used to when you come over here. Okay,
I'm looking forward to it, definitely looking forward to it. So painting
my butt, I'm looking forward to it. All right, all right,
let's let's get this show on the road. Introducing our guest tonight, we
have Joshua Lewis. Now. Joshua is a paranam investigator. Works a lot
with instrumental transcommunication ITC so able he's been able to capture evidence of the afterlife
and communicate with spirits. He also has a book, Finding Hope in the
Afterlife. So, Joshua, welcome to the program. Thank you, it's
an honor to be here. Thank you. Mark Irene, oh well,
thank you. Um so as a fellow investigator, the one what's that?
I said, yes, you all, mhm sure. I don't trust her.
I don't trust her anyway. You know, I've used a lot of
different tools, but I think it C is one of the few tools I
really have not dealt into. I've used spirit boxes and you know, just
even regular old EVP recordings, which are some of my favorite. But so,
I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about your background,
how you got into all of this, and you know, how you got
into these specialties. Sure, well, Mark, Just to clarify something,
all those things you just mentioned, our ITC so it TC is not just
relegated to a piece of equipment or anything. It's actually it stands for instrumental
trans communication. So if you're using an instrument to communicate, it is ITC.
So a voice recorder for EVP, is ITC A spirit boxes ITC all
of those things are and it's it's a you know, it's an amazing field
of study that still just is not being being looked at as much by mainstream
science. And that's okay. It really started out with guys, you know,
such as Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla. Um. These guys were creating
apparatuses. They were brilliant minds, creating boxes of different devices that could communicate
interdimensionally with voices, intelligent voices on the other side. Um. Tesla thought
it might be aliens Um, you know. Edison, you know, had
his suspicions it was spirit spirit um. And and so you know, the
list goes on to people like Frederick Jourgensen, who was a filmmaker. He
was recording, he was recording additional sound recording for film because he's a filmmaker,
and he had his recorder on the window sill, and when he listened
back, he heard voices and that got him into recording EVP and working on
ITC. You've got the brilliant Latvian scientist Constantine Rod about um. He was
someone that you know, said that ITC is not a hobby and not to
be uh, you know, treated lightly. It is a serious field of
study that should be taken seriously and and uh and and that's you know what
I believe as well. UM. In two thousands, in the late nineties
early two thousands, a man named Frank Sumption created a spirit BOXUM which was
just ah. He would take different parts of radios and kind of you know,
he would he would fashion them into these these these these casings, these
um housing boxes, and he would hack the radios so that it could it
could scan and skip over radio stations at a fast rate. And he didn't
create those boxes to really create to talk with spirit. He created them to
speak with aliens. But a lot of people we were getting his boxes.
They were all individual specially made and people would would get them and start recording
with them and doing sessions with them. And it's amazing. I own his
number seventy eight box on my shelf. I had the pleasure of getting to
know him before he passed away, and he's like known as the godfather of
the spirit box. And there were other people that were creating different things as
well, and um, you know, I started out as really just going
out into cemeteries and abandoned buildings with my partner Nikki, and we would take
a PSB seven, a seventy dollar you know, spirit box, cheap sparitbox
kind of thing, and a voice recorder and I'd go out there and I'd
ask questions, and you know, at night and i'd record things. You
know, i'd record my name and help me and want the light and sometimes
i'd get a get out or something like that. You know. But these
were really important messages because they showed me that you know, this wasn't on
Ghost Adventures or some movie on TV. This was me recording it, and
so you know, this was real evidence. Using a spirit box, I
would get direct answers the PSB seven, I would get direct answers, them
saying answering, yes, no questions, they'd say my name, they'd say
a curse word sometimes, which you know is not radio and the way a
spirit box works, and I think a lot of parent normal people think it
works one way, and through my research I found that it works a little
bit different than what I think the majority of people think how it works.
But I'll explain that the spearbox will, like a radio spearbox, will will
scan through radio stations at a fast rate, and you will hear this sound
of and it's you know, skipping, and you hear a little bit of
the broadcast come through. If you skip faster, you're going to get less
actual words. If you skip the rate, if the skip rate is longer
skipping through those stations, you're going to get a little bit more of you
know, the words and possible phrases which could give you a false positive.
And that's that's one of the problems that a lot of paranormal people have.
They're using spearboxes kind of you know, the wrong way, or using apps
in a way that they could get these false positives words that come through that
are not a spirit using it, and they think it's a spirit speaking and
it's not. But um what I found, you know, is that the
um it's not a spirit is not plucking words from the broadcast to time it
so that they can use that word alone. Necessarily that can happen. But
that's that that, like I said, creates false positives. What I found
was through my researches that spirit will take the bits and pieces of words or
of sounds and form their own responses and and so that's that's what I found
and and uh, and it's just amazing. So now what I get to
do. And you know, the thing is is that you know, once
I started doing all that research in the field, UM, I found that
I was picking up on spirit and and other messages, other and other things
that I was picking up on them myself. Um, I was getting stuff
on my own without equipment. And so you know, one day something changed
for me where I was hearing spirit very very clearly. I started working with
a brilliant mind, a brilliant teacher. Her name is Debora lyn Katz,
PhD. And she is an intuitive psychic medium who runs the school, the
International School of Clairvoyance. And I had the pleasure of working with her for
many years, you know, under her tutelage. And to date, I've
done over three thousand mediumship readings for clients without any equipment, just my own
intuitive ability, and it has just been absolutely amazing. But in addition to
those readings that I do without any equipment, I use, I use equipment.
I use different equipment for other readings for clients. And I've had the
pleasure of working with the BIX Institute, which is the big Low Institute of
con Justiness Studies UM, working with them to where they were they conducted experiments
on me and my ability and my equipment and uh, and was able to
prove that what I'm doing is of course very legitimate and very effective and real
and it's been it's been amazing. So you know, this is advanced your
communication, and a lot of people don't understand it. They don't get it,
and I don't blame them, because I can definitely understand, you know,
skepticism or disbelief. Um. You know, like I said, mainstream
science hasn't caught up to this yet, and I don't know when they will
or if they will. UM. But you know, there's and of course
you have you have people that don't understand it. You have people that have
certain religious views that are are really dogmatic. M You've got you've got people
that are out there doing this stuff and they're faking it. You know,
you've got fake mediums, you got fake paranormal investigators. They're an investigators.
They're doing things for effect, and there's a most shortage of them, especially
at the TV shows. Correct and so it muddies the water. It muddy,
it muddies the waters, you know, or whatever you want to say.
And so you know that can be a difficult uphill battle. You know,
I get called fake all the time, and I say, listen,
I've been proving my work for ten years. I work with professionals on it.
I do you know, private sessions for people. I'm always willing to
do it. I do it live. I do it live all the time.
I do it in live events, I do it live on streaming.
And I can do it anywhere with anyone at any time and show them what
I'm doing. I'll answer any skeptics questions as long as they're respectful. And
you know, but it's an amazing it's an amazing thing, all very interesting,
a lot of information coming through here at once. Now, how long
did you spend working with this one woman to develop your own intuitive abilities?
Oh? For years? I mean I was, I was tuning in right
away. You know from the first lesson that we did with I did with
her, but you know, I mean I I graduated from her level one,
two and three classes and became one of her you know, um you
know good pupils. I should say, we just taught a masterclass last year
together. So it was like a ten year turnaround of you know, working
with her and um, you know, I'll just give you an example of
what, like how one of the things that she did to kind of see
where I was at when I first started working with her. Um she would
say, she said, Okay, well listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna have
you do a cold reading on me, a blind cold reading. And I
said okay, And she said, I'm going to give you a name,
and I'm not going to tell you if they're alive or dead. I'm not
going to tell you a last name. I'm not going to tell you anything.
I'm just going to give you the name, and I need you to
tune into that name. And for thirty minutes, she says, I'm going
to just sit quietly while you tell me what comes to me. And so
I'm not going to tell you what's right or wrong or if you're in the
right, you know, any of that. I'm not going to give you
any feedback. You just have to give it me the information. And so
she says to me, and I talk about this in my book, Finding
Hope in the Afterlife, and she says, okay, So I'm gonna give
you this name. She goes, Manny. She goes, that's it.
And I start looking at this name, Manny. I mean, it's like
ridiculous. I mean, it could be anything anybody. I mean, we
don't know what this is. And so the whole time that I'm getting information,
I feel like it's wrong. It doesn't make sense. It's it's so
random, but it's not, you know, And I'm so I'm saying,
Okay, I see this boy. He's like a sixteen seventeen year old kid.
I see he's mixed, he's got, you know, mixed backgrounds,
like I see two different cultures. I see him riding around in the desert
on a four wheeler. I see this sombrero. I see him playing a
guitar. You know, I see. Let's see what did I say?
I said? I said a couple other things. I said, Oh,
I see him smoking a joint, I said. And so when I was
done, and she goes, all right, that's enough. You've given me
enough information. Let's go through it, you know. And so I stop
and and she says okay. She goes, well, man, he's my
son, she says. And I said okay, and she goes, we
live in the desert. He rides around on his four wheeler. He's sixteen
years old. He sits in his room a lot of times too, and
he plays his guitar and on his wall, he's got this large sombrero that
sits on his wall. And you know, she's like, I'm white and
his father's Filipino, so he is mixed. And she goes, I don't
know if he's smoking a joint yet, really, but he's a good kid,
so if he is, I'm not too concerned about it, you know.
And I felt bad for ratting on her son. But that right there,
that was one of my first phone calls with her. And that right
there showed that, you know, what I was doing was I was tuning
into information, perceiving information that I didn't know previously, and you know,
and that led that started off. You know, are working together, and
that's how a lot of our call, that's how a lot of my calls
go when I do a reading for someone, they book a reading or whatever.
I don't want to know anything. I don't want to know about who
were you know, I don't want to know anything. When I give them
a meditation brief meditation for them to do prior to the reading, I get
on the phone and I say, okay, you know, just like that
phone call with Deborah, you know, to over ten years ago. I
mean you know, I say, give me the name, say the name
a couple of times, and then just be quiet for you know, ten
fifteen minutes. I'm going to tell you what I'm getting, and then I'll
check with you and we'll see if what I'm getting is making sense to you.
And you know, five ninety percent of the time, um, it's
it's close to dead on. And and then you know, that person after
we establish a connection, um, you know, the living person can ask
questions to who they who they are? Are are you know, connecting to?
And that's it. If I do a box session, you know,
I use any of my equipment, that's a different you know, I do
the same procedure where the person will give me the name, I'll tune into
them without any equipment, just you know, no feedback to see what I
get. And then after I feel we have established a connection with the love
with the loved one, I will turn on my equipment and I have different
various boxes and programs. I will use a voice recorder at times, um,
and I'll use a number of different pieces of you know, of equipment
and that will you know, and I record, we ask questions and I
have to go back and listen and review like a forensic audio expert has to
do with recordings, and um, I caption them and then I send those
those videos, those private sessions to the client. And I mean, we're
recording some of the most amazing responses from loved ones. And it's it's being
done on a daily basis. It's what's wonderful. Now. Is this something
that you're working on full time right now? Are you doing other types of
work on as well? No? No, I mean this is my I
own a business down in the city that I live in and I have some
property and stuff and you know, so I'm not at you know, completely
dependent on on just this, but um, you know, I have dedicated
close to one hundred percent of my time to this work. Over the last
I mean I've been doing it ten years, but I mean I've been dedicating
probably you know, close to all my time to it for the last six
or seven and and so yeah, I mean, this is this is what
I do. I have a channel on YouTube, book with over one hundred
and thirty thousand followers, and TikTok. I've got I show my clips on
there, you know, short clips, and I've got close to almost four
hundred thousand on TikTok. And you know, I mean, I I do
group sessions. I hold group sessions for patrons. I have some patrons that
I do, and then I do the private sessions for people. In addition
to I have a free app that I created for people to try on their
phone's iosa Android. It's called the Hope spear Box. I have a paid
version of that for computer, desktop, laptop, and that's a very advanced
program that's you know, it's got a lot of things in it, and
a book that I've I've released published for people to read. So yeah,
I mean this is what I do. That was very busy, Joshua.
Do you actually just do readings and contact people that you know for people that
have blessed somebody. Well, do you actually also do um investigations into maybe
hauntings? I did most. I did a lot of investigations early on M
I did a lot of residential, commercial cases and um a lot of different
you know, some real crazy things. I did that that for the first
like maybe six years of this work. I still will do an investigation occasionally
for someone that if they have if they need something. But you know,
and what I do is I take people. You know, I have live
events. I've had live events in Saint Augustine, Florida, New Orleans,
Louisiana, Savannah, Georgia. I have another one that I'll be planning in
Key West. And when I do those live events, I take people the
first nights a three night a three day event, and the first day I
take people on an investigation of a certain location. And it's just it's,
you know, it's wonderful. I still love you take your equipment with you
as well. Oh yeah, yep, yeah, yep. I take all
my stuff with me. Yeah, I got cases of stuff. Yep.
Over the years, I've you know, I've kind of whittled it down to
what I know I need. I don't need to be in a location for
eight hours in order for me to establish communication and find out information. Of
course, a long a long term investigation is can reveal a lot of information.
Um, but you know, I've got a few things that I know
now over these ten years that I've been doing this, that I know that
is a you know, what is effective for me? And have you ever
come up against anything nasty? I mean an assault? Yeah, I mean
it's it's been really it's not like demonic or nothing. I mean I think
everyone that gets a nasty message, they think it's a demon and so and
that is in America. Yeah, yes, correct, correct, it seems
right, that's what it does seem it seems like everyone. And really I
think what they're doing, I think is that they're looking for a scare tactic.
They're looking for a scare factor. I think that that raises their adrenaline
and they get excited and it gets spooky. But you know that's really not
the deal. That's really not the reality of the situation. There are nasty
things, but it's a people. It's people. There's nasty people a lot
of times or not a lot of times, but you know there are when
you go to those abandoned places. When you go to deal with maybe someone
that's in a home that's dealing with a problem, a lot of times it's
a person that's on the other side that's being nasty or being unruly, or
being difficult, and and a lot of times you just need to establish that
connection and try to talk to them and see if there's something that you can
do, you know, prayer and doing light work, you know, bringing
in the light will help. Absolutely. I mean, the prayer is big
time. Having a belief in a higher power is huge. Having a belief
and you know, in the source, Creator, God, whatever you want
to call it, that is here. That's the biggest factor that people don't
don't realize. But you know, yeah, I mean, I mean,
the biggest problem I ever had in the ten years of doing this that was
a reoccurring problem was in my own was in my own home. And it
wasn't because of some demonic entity that was trying to take over. It was
because I had a former resident that that still lived here that was no longer
living and they were on the deed of the house. They were on you
know, the previous deed, and they felt that they still owned this home.
And didn't want to live and didn't want to leave here, didn't like
the work that I did, and they were old school and try to put
down a certain authority in this home. And that that was a battle that
was fought over over years. Um and I'd like to say that I came
out on top of that one, um And and so you know, and
that's all documented on my channel. I mean what I mean, the the
amount of detail and factual information that came out from those sessions that we were
able to verify, UM was just remarkable. You know, it was just
undeniable and remarkable and just you know, you just can't you can't write that
kind of stuff. You know. It was just wonderful um and at the
same time difficult, but it was wonderful because it was just an amazing unfolding
of events. And uh, yeah, it's you know. So that's that's
really what I end up dealing with, or that's what I've dealt with in
the past. I understand that because I got three of my own and they
built this house, and sometimes it can be really really nice and other times
they can Yeah, yeah, they don't like necessarily something that's going on or
what you're doing. You know, yeah, so that that could be a
factor, but you know, um, I live with it. Oh,
I don't mind them. Yeah, just is the inn stay as long as
they want. Absolutely, And I said the same thing to him. I
said, listen, you either stay and get on board or you get out
because I'm not I'm not going to change what I'm doing. I love what
I'm doing, you know, and I and I do it for my higher
power, for Jesus Christ. I mean, that's who I that's what I
do. And I'm not religious at all, you know, I I do.
I have a connection to my higher power and I need to, you
know, show love. But I also, um, I've been through a
lot of crap in my life, so I'm not a pushover. Um.
You know, I am someone that will stand my ground. And you know,
ninety something percent of the stuff I capture for people is all positive life
old love filled messages talking of God, helping people, talking of the light.
Um, you know a lot of beautiful messages of helping people. Sometimes
you get a loved one with a client that you know is they're not mean
in the way they're saying, you know, fu or you know whatever,
but they might not want to communicate, or they might have had an issue
from while they were alive that they still are holding onto. So you still
get some personality things that happen, you know. But um, you know,
these people that are out there searching for demons constantly, I mean,
they're going to find something evil. I mean, there's no question if you
keep rooting around for it, you're going to find Yeah. I mean,
well, those guys, I mean, not only are they finding negative things
when they're doing because that's what's going bringing it with them, they're bringing it
with them, but they're also you know, they're they're embellishing things, you
know, which is not that's not looked at as being a positive thing.
On the other side, Um, you know, there's a guy out there
on he's got a very popular channel with about three hundred and fifty five thousand
people on his channel, and he's got the name ITC, the word it
or the acronym ITTC in his name, and he asked for nothing but well
known people. I ask for well known people too. I think it's really
amazing what I capture when I ask for well known people because they're requested.
But you know, he's doing this and he's faking every one of his sessions.
He's been out it already as a fake. And and and you know,
I capture messages on my own where they mention his name and they say
he's in danger. Now I don't know what that means. I don't know
how he's in danger. But I'll tell you. If you're faking stuff and
you're you're you're doing that to try to get views, and you're trying to
embellish your information and your evidence, I can't see that as being a positive
thing. On the other side where people where souls. On the other side,
spirits are going to take that lightly, you know. Yeah, now
you've dealt with you said, you've dealt mostly with human spirits. And I'm
not talking or getting into demonic per se, because, as you mentioned,
what some people considered to be demonic are just you know, nasty humans.
Correct, the nasty in life, they're nasty by death. Correct. But
have you ever come across anything that you would classify as non human? Oh?
Absolutely? And the work that I I mean, the evidence I've captured
regarding that would be about extraterrestrials. So I've captured a lot on extraterrestrials.
Okay, yeah, so you know, again I go back to Frank Sumption,
the creator of the godfather of the Spirit box. He did not create
these boxes to speak with spirit, even though they you know, primarily are
being used for that, and that's what is happening. But you know,
he had contact, he believed he had contact with aliens. I would I
would concur that he was probably right. You know, something very interesting happened
that he you know, we were talking, him and I. We were
we became you know, I don't I wouldn't say friends, but we became
acquaintances. And we were communicating via Facebook and Messenger and all kinds of things.
And I had purchased his seventy eighth box and I was going to send
it back to him for him to you know, tune it up kind of
you know, give it a little once over, and he was going to
do that for me. And then he made a post about a couple of
days after you know, we had agreed that I was going to send it
to him, and we had already been talking for weeks about you know,
communication and things, and he made a post on Facebook that he had made
contact with the aliens. They had reached out to him, and they said
that in a week they were going to be coming to get him and that
he would be leaving. And I thought that was really interesting, you know,
and I said, well, wait a minute, let me hold off
on sending him my box because I don't know what this means. You know,
I don't know what that means. And a week later he died of
a heart attack. That's really wild. And if you think back at the
movie like Kpax. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Kpax with
Kevin Spacey, but he was supposedly an alien in a human body, and
at some point he said, you know, he was going to be leaving.
They had locked him up, and he was. He said he was
going to be leaving. And at the time that he left, or when
when he leaves in the movie, his body is left behind, but of
course he's left. So I find that interesting that that's what happened to Frank
Sumption over my course, over the course of my sessions, I started capturing
the spirits, saying the spirits come on a spaceship sometime, or they are
on a spaceship. They mentioned that I do water ITC, which is you
know, spirit photography, and I capture I do digital ITC, water ITC,
different forms of spirit photography. And I've captured some amazing visual evidence I
mean undeniable, undebunkable visual evidence that is just remarkable. And in one of
those images, I captured what looks like an alien face and it's just really
uncanny. And and so you know, again I've asked about them about you
know, et, I've loved ones that are on this side. My patrons
have asked for their loved ones, and during those sessions, they'll say to
their loved ones, have you seen aliens or do you know if alien civilizations
exist? And they've all said, yes, we've seen them, Yes they
exist, they're real. One loved ones said, they've been here watching during
my session. Um. I did a session, a private session for someone
the other day and the woman wanted to ask about them again, and he
said, yes, they're here right now watching and and that we've shown them
proof of transcommunication, that they want to help, that there's a lot that
want to help. So that you know, I get again positive stuff,
so you get this negative spin and there maybe you know there maybe the reptilians
out there that are you know, a negative alien civilization that is, you
know, possibly looking to do to you know, dominate or whatever. But
you've got a lot of positive feedback about aliens trying to help the ets,
trying to help us. So that's that I find to be very interesting.
And plus I've seen some stuff in the sky lights that are moving and then
stop and then move. So they're not just satellites or anything like that,
you know, or the i SS moving or anything like that. This is
there's something going on up there. Now. If that's you know, man
made hidden technology, I don't know, but you know, yeah, yeah,
yeah, Well where Irene lives as UFO Highway anyway, so I'll get
to see someone. I'm out there. I'm out there on my patio for
a few hours. Whether signs say you know, free, come and take
it. Did I believe me? I did do that to a friend of
mine. Actually, I sat her right there. I gave her a blanket,
I gave her a cup of tea or a drink of some sort I
can't quite remember what. And I looked her out there for about two hours,
said do you look coming back into got me a UFO camera. Well,
you know what's interesting about that is that you know, you got uh,
doctor Stephen Greer is doing the C five. You know in CE five
is UM you know, close encounter the fifth cond and you know he's got
this meditation, this this method that he teaches people on how to um you
know, focus on and visualize and going up into a ship and then you
know, you sit outside and you do this meditation and then when you're you're
you're done with the meditation, you you look up and there's a good chance
that you may have a craft above you, and that people have done this
and they have captured some remarkable evidence, visual evidence with thirty forty people out
there at the same time filming the same thing, so it's not just isolated
to one person, and they've made some really amazing contact. What's interesting about
what his process is is that is the same process that I teach and that
I do for reaching spirit very close to And I didn't know that I was
doing that for years, and then I was introduced to the to the CE
five method and I looked at it and I went, well, this is
what I'm doing already. I'm already doing this, So what I found was
that was very it was very validating of what I'm doing. And then I
it made me believe more in what doctor Stephen Greer is doing now. Whether
people have their opinions of him or not, I don't know. I mean,
you know, everyone that's out there that's actually doing legitimate work, you
can find some person that hates the guy and thinks he's the crappiest guy in
the world. You know, I got people that make videos on me,
and they try to make hate videos and stuff, and you know, they
try to debunk me, and I go, listen, You're not debunking anything
I'm doing. I'll even come onto your program and talk about my process,
and none of them ever take me up on it. They never take me
up on it. That was to show you're getting through to them in one
way in it. Yeah, I mean it has to be because you know,
I know a lot of the people get hate videos made on them.
You know, they just go silent and don't say anything. And maybe they're
the smart ones. Maybe they're the smart ones that just leave it be.
I and I don't go after every one of them, but I will,
in a polite way at first reach out to them and say, hey,
listen, you know you're terribly mistaken, and I'm willing to talk to you
about this process and show you every aspect of what I do. There's no
part of my process or what I do that's like proprietary where I can't talk
about it or I'm not going to share it with you. I want people
try it. In fact, I've put my money where my mouth is so
much so that I have literally given you the tool that I am using in
every session. I'm giving you the tool for free to use yourself. This
is not some look at what I'm using. You can't use it, but
I'm going to give you another tool to use that you have to pay for.
You know what I mean. That's bullcrap. Like I'm giving you the
same tool that I'm using in every one of my videos. So when you
watch a video of mine a session and you're like, oh, bollocks,
this is crap. There's no way that this guy I'm using one of your
words. You know that, none of you know that note that this guy
can capture this, this is fake. Well, well crap. Go use
the tool yourself, and if you don't get the results right away, that's
fine, you know, I've been doing this for ten years, but that
doesn't mean you can't get the results. Let me help you get the results.
Let me give you some pointers. Let me show you what I'm doing
and how the process is. And if you're actually of sound mind and you're
willing to give it a go, and you're gonna give it some focus,
you're gonna you're gonna give it, you know, have some patience, You're
gonna have some persistence, then you will have you you will get results.
But I you know, I get people that are already negative some times that
will say, oh bull crap. I just downloaded the app and I turned
it on and I tried it once and it didn't do anything for me.
Oh okay, then, well you just gave it such a great, you
know, a good fair shot there. I mean, I guess you just
determined it's all crap. That's just like regular EVP. You know how often
you catch a regular EVP correct correct? Very rarely so, right, unless
you're using something that you know, like I'm like I I went out and
purchased, you know, years ago, the DR sixty voice recorder, and
I'm sure it's come up in your discussions or I don't know, in your
field or whatever. And this recorder is a voice recorder that you know,
really captures some remarkable EVP, but it has it's got a sound to it
that makes it sound a little bit scratchier. And so you know what I
mean, just to talk about that for one second. I mean, that's
a that's a voice recorder that Panasonic created in his not some ghost gear.
It's just a regular voice recorder that Panasa, you know, Panasonic created in
the late nineties. Um. And it's thirty dollars used to be thirty bucks.
And people were buying these for voice memos. You know, you leave
a voice memo for yourself. You can you can record, stop recording and
then hit record again, so you can kind of you know, And people
were sending these back to Panasonic complaining that they were hearing voices that were not
theirs, and and Panasonic could not explain the phenomenon, so they said eventually
they just deemed it as being a defective voice recorder because of a faulty chip.
And they said that no, it said that they that the faulty chip
mimicked voice or mimic the human voice. I've never heard I mean that's ai.
I mean, that's that's not something that's just a faulty chip. That's
crazy, and that would that you know, so that wasn't really the case.
When when when when paranormal people start getting them, they realized that there
was something to this voice recorder, and of course it was discontinued. So
the price on this thing skyrocket into astronomical amounts and um, and so what
happened is that, um, you know, people started buying them and I
got them when they were like a thousand dollars. Now they're like three or
something. I don't know what they are, but I mean, what's happening
in that they are not? They are not? So people are selling their
for this sort of money. Yes, yes, yes, it's on the
black mark. You know, it's on the the you know, the whatever
you want to call it, the free market there, but they are you
know, this voice recorder creates an internal hissing sound, a steady sound goes.
It's like, this is what I was going to say. You know
they say that the white noise and one thing or another helps. How did
we know, Well, we don't know that the um but whoever is whether
it's scantcists where it's aliens, whether it is people from the who have passed
over, How do we know that they're not creating their own sort of white
noise on this particular machine to try and get through. Well, no,
I mean that's exactly right, Irene. I mean you're you're you're right on
the money with that. I mean, so the recorder, most other recorders
are so silent, they're they're they're more expensive, they're noise canceling there,
they're all kinds that they're better technology, so they don't create any sound at
all. So now the spirit has to really impart their own energy in a
way that you know that you can hear the shifting the imprint of their energy
onto the onto the voice recorder. But but but with this older voice recorder,
because it's so cheaply made, it creates this sound. And when it
creates that sound, that yeah, that sound, it will the spirit can
take that sound in kind of you know, build on it, and it's
there's no words, there's no nothing in it. It's just that steady sound.
But they're able to manipulate that sound and create their own um, you
know, whisper. That's a little bit louder, and so we can get
some wonderful communication with the DR sixty. And I have two of them because
because of that, because of that reason, so that is in my arsenal.
And of course I have other voice recorders that are not like that,
that are that are you know, Sony's and other other you know, really
effective recorders, just not as effective as the DR sixty. Oh that's it.
Well, another thing I wanted to ask, who is when you are
communicating? Have you ever been tempted to ask what it's like on the other
side? Oh? I asked that all the time. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, of course I asked that all the time. I mean I
get the majority of people say, it's wonderful, it's beautiful, it's amazing,
it's it's it's it's it's all that you can imagine and more. Um,
there's light, there's love, there's loved ones that have passed on that
they get to you know, reconcile or or or you know, um,
you know, get up with again, and that there are uh, there's
a lot like things that are like Earth. There's there's stuff, there's places,
there's things, um, you know, they sleep, they there's jobs
and you know, not jobs that you have to work because you know you're
forced to, but there's there's tasks and things that you know, there's there's
projects and um, you know, there's all kinds of things. Um.
People can stay behind here and kind of live kind of you know here around
here, or people can move on to another another higher dimension that that is
still is reminiscent of you know, a paradise earth that has um. You
know, there's different aspects to it. Um, there's higher dimensions. People
that didn't live very good and have you know, died under traumatics you know,
or or or or you know, we're negative in life and they might
feel, um that there's not as much light on the other side, that
they're kind of in some darkness and it's not hell. Um. You know,
it's not permanent either, um any one because you know, we don't
lose free will, free choice that you know, you don't have to go
to the other side, and you know it's not like God just comes and
gets you and says, all right, it's time for you to come with
me now and go live with me and be happy forever in heaven forever.
You know, there's experiences people are having still on the other side. There's
a journey still on the other side. And if someone wants to you know,
that was spiritual in their life and they did good things and they want
to continue on that that divine journey, they will have those experiences with ie
a God or an ascended master. But if you don't want to, you
don't have to, you know. But there are experiences that people have that
open their eyes to the divine and to the light. But you know,
you get people that are still like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm gonna
still live in my home. I'm gonna around my family, and you know,
and they do that, and they do that, you know, yeah,
well, I mean and in so many cases with when we're dealing with
the voices and talking to people, you notice it's almost always people within maybe
the last the most maybe one hundred years, maybe one hundred and fifty years,
not counting certain famous hauntings that I would call time slips myself, not
not just regular hauntings. But it seems like eventually even those who stick around
for a while, say like the person who owned your house and didn't want
to leave, eventually things happen where they do leave. Absolutely absolutely. You
know, if someone is continuously being called upon because they are a famous haunting,
then they will show up because they're still being shown energy. They're getting
energy from that. You know, there's people that are showing up to talk
to you know, whoever it is, or looking to hear about them.
You know, you have people's houses that are now turned into historic sites and
there's tours and there's a museum and things of that nature. So you may
have those people that come back or want to stick around. But eventually,
if they're not paid attention to, or eventually, if enough time passes where
the memory of that person is kind of forgotten on, you know, forgotten
about, they have no reason to stay and then they start to wander or
figure out, well what's next, and then there might be an opening for
them to move on. But um, you know, yeah, so I
mean that that is that is the truth there. Yeah, I mean I
I reached out to Marilyn Monroe asking for Norman Jean Baker. You know,
I asked for her months. I think it was like over a year ago,
and um, you know, I never know. And I also I
give this caveat, you know, I give this disclaimer that you know when
I'm asking for I am an evidential medium, so I do need to get
some things to verify that it is that person. I'm not just taking their
word for it. But you know, I also say that when, especially
if I'm asking for a well known person, there is no guarantee that I
am getting that person. I do not There's no way for me to,
you know, one hundred percent prove that I am speaking with that person.
So all I can do is do what I do intuitively, which is tuned
into that person myself. It's not just turning on my equipment going hey,
who's there? Can this person come through? Is that person available to talk?
I mean, I will say something like that, but I still need
to focus on them first, and I need to connect with them, you
know, intuitively first. And if I feel that I have a connection,
that my intuitive phone call made it went through, they picked up, then
I will go to my box and I will use it. But if I
don't feel like I'm getting them, then I don't feel like I'm going to
get them through the box. So when I feel I've made a connection,
then I go and I ask for them, and then I capture responses and
all I can do is or I capture them and then I all I can
do is review them and caption them and with what I feel I'm hearing.
And of course I can't say that all my captions are one hundred percent accurate.
I mean again, I'm going off what I'm hearing. What my best
guess is my best you know, educated guests of experience with this. But
what I find is that a lot of those responses are factual, detailed responses
um that that will say something that either was known or a lot of times
say things that were that was not known and then can be later verified.
And that is really interesting. So I you know, I did ask for
you know, like I said, you know Nora Majeene Marylyn, and you
know she was you know, she was okay, but she was still kind
of looking for something, you know, she was still looking for some help
in some way. She was not like stuck in a way that she was
just trapped in some darkness and she didn't know anything, but she was she
was okay, and she answered questions or the questions were answered and they were
answered according to what they were very indicative of what those of what the answers
that you know Marylyn would say or could say, but you know, there
was this aspect of her looking to go to an even higher level, and
I thought that was really interesting, you know. And I get some people
that are well known that are like, oh, yeah, I'm in the
light, I see God, I am you know, I am good.
I don't need any help. I'm fine, I'm I'm It's wonderful. And
then I get some that are like, where is the light? I'm I'm
I'm in some darkness here. I do need some help. I'm I'm frustrated.
I'm upset about some things. You know, I'm not in physical pain,
but I'm in emotional pain, and and they need some help, you
know, or you know, whether they get the help from me or not.
I'm not saying I'm egotistical to think that I'm the one that's going to
give them the help. But you know, the only thing I can do
is talk to them like a like a person, not like some ghost or
Boogee monster or whatever. I talk to them like a human being. And
then I pray for them, and I ask for the light, and I
ask for help for them, and I had, you know, and that's
all I can do. And I trust that you know, it's being honored,
so that, yeah, that's good. Not just one question. Have
you ever contacted or what you thought was um something nice and attracted it into
your own um surroundings? I don't, I don't understand what you mean.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean if you don't know, maybe was you
or trying to lure you in and then it reveals itself to be something nasty.
No, I don't feel I've ever had that, And if I do,
then I feel that my protection got you know, kicked in where I
just didn't even have to deal with anything, you know, again the spirit
box. And I understand that people think that the Weigi's a portal to hell
and that when you play it, that you're opening yourself up to you know,
demons to butt rape you or something. I don't know, you know,
I understand that that's the fear. And I played Weigi you know,
early on. That was my first paranormal experience, and the board was effectively
working for two hours and all messages of positive messages at the end to we
started to get someone being a little bit you know, they were being a
little like they were saying some you know, crude things, at the end,
I feel like it was someone that just kind of like was hanging around
watching and then just came into be kind of They weren't even a negative.
They were trying to be like dirty a little bit, you know what I
mean. Like it was just whatever. But that's the human nature. And
and so you know, I never had a negative experience with the Wuiji board,
but these boxes and recorders and even the Wuiji board are not. You're
not That's not what's going to let them in or let someone in. It's
just connecting. It's incorrect. It's you yourself. And if you have a
belief in a higher power and you're a positive person with good intent, then
you can do this work. If you're a wishy washy person that's really negative
and you don't have any belief and a higher power, God or any kind
of you know, benevolent, loving high you know, higher power, then
I necessarily wouldn't do this work. And it's not because demons are going to
butt rape you. It's because some negative guy is going to get in and
convince you that it's that it's a demon or something like that, and that
can mess with your mind. That's what I get Okay, that's what I
feel is the case. Okay. And so just like on Facebook, if
I make a post, yeah, and then I get a lot of positive
feedback, But then I get one troll that comes on and says, you
know, if you you're a piece of crap man, you know that's a
troll. They were able to get communication across to me via the vehicle I
was using, which was the post. So the negative comment landed. But
now I'm going to delete the comment and I'm going to block the person,
and that person's not going to come in again. So I have the ability
to block or delete and block the same with doing this, I can tune
it out. If I ever hear a negative comment, I just don't really
pay attention to it. I go over it, I go past it.
If it's something that's persisting, which is rare, um, I will address
it and I will say you're not welcome here. I'm I'm bathed in the
light of Christ, and so are my guides, and you know, and
and we don't well, we don't welcome negative you know energy here. But
if you're negative, then maybe all I can do is just show you some
love, some tough I don't do something very similar. I do something very
similar. I ran an organization for many, many years called Spirit Rescue International.
Yeah, great, Mark was part of that. We worked all over
the world, uh daaling with you know, mainly the majority of the time
Mark. It was negative, wasn't it. Oh yeah? Negative? Or
just borderline yeah, something like low level? Yeah yeah yeah. Well we
worked all around the world, you know, doing this, and uh what
was it going to say? I forgot what it's going to say? Now,
Oh I agree with what you say, But why you turn around and
you say something nice to it, like you know, you wope with the
body of Christ or whatever. Something comes in it into my atmosphere that's negative,
and my hand goes up and the word if off comes straight out at
it with such power it's unbelievable. Correct, and you're absolutely back away.
You're absolutely right, and you are absolutely well within your right to say,
you know, f off if you know. First of all, let me
just establish this right now. I will not put up with any of your
negative bullshit you know or whatever. You know. I will not deal with
that. I'm not the one, but I will maybe try to show you
some love. I'll pray for you, but you're not gonna You're not gonna
land your negativity on me. And the low level stuff is is a lot
of times it's just low level people, low level vibrating people, soul spirits
that just don't, you know, want to continue to spread negativity as they
did when they were. Are there demons? Yes, there are, Okay,
there are. I believe there are. I also believe that I don't
believes in the way the church talks about them. Maybe not, you're you
know what, you're right? Maybe not, But I will say this when
I ask, when I've asked people souls on the other side through the box
about hell, I get that there isn't a hell, but I get that
there is the wolf, and that I've got the comment about the wolf about
three times now, and that's a very interesting comment. They say there's no
evil, but there is the wolf, like there's no place of evil,
but there is the wolf. So I don't get in all of my ten
years, I don't get that there's a pit of fiery hell burning with souls
for eternity because they were a bad soob for eighty years while they were alive.
What I do get is that there's karma there is reincarnation. There is
karma. And if you do stuff like a John Wayne Gacy serial killer Dahmer
kind of guy, those guys are going to be in darkness for a while.
They're going to also have to experience what they did at some point that
will be settled and will be dealt with and they will be free to move
on to a different level. Um. And that's what I get a lot
of that the heaven and hells between your ears, your two ears, and
so that there's a lot of what we create here and now is that we're
going to kind of reap the benefit in a sense on the other side.
And so if you're a negative person here and do a lot of bad things,
you hurt people, you've maybe killing someone, I don't know, whatever,
you're gonna deal with that. And it's not even that God's going to
judge you, or that the Devil's going to come take you away and you
oh sorry, carry on. No, I was just that that you're that
you're going to judge yourself at some point. You can't escape you can't you
can't escape eternity, you know, And so that you can hide in the
darkness for as long as you want. But I mean, eventually, you
know, you're going to have to come to reckon with what you've done.
And uh, and it's you that's going to have to deal with that,
it's not you know, God's punishing you. So you know, that's what
I find. I think the system is pretty perfect in that, but it's
not perfect to the short sighted human that maybe loses a child or or has
or does good things in their life and then has bad things happen to them.
Sometimes you know that, you know, karma can explain for all of
those things, but you still can't tell that to someone that's going through that
at that time, you know. And we don't want to hear that when
we're going through something negative, right, We don't want to hear that we
did something previous life that might have brought this on or it's part of our
soul's lesson journey. But yeah, I think that's the truth. My karma
ran over my dogma. You know, I'm right there with you, definitely.
Most everything you're talking about is what we've experienced over time in our not
only our research, but some of our other pursuits. Um I actually downloaded
your app. Well, we're okay doing the show, so from THEOS or
Android. Yeah, you can just go to your if you have your iPhone,
go to the Apple store yea, or the app store or if it's
and I'll give you a quick tip that will save you a lot of trouble
and that people just don't realize. Um, So just to give you an
example to just understand or just explain that really quickly. The app. So
because I found out that spirits are not just plucking words from broadcasts, and
you know that's not how that's being done. That they're taking the bits and
pieces of the broadcast in forming their own words. I didn't want to get
any more false positives in my sessions where I think a spirit speaking and it's
not. So what I did was I created sound banks for my app that
we're all gibberish. There's no words in the app. Okay. So what
I've done is I've created different sound banks of different people's voices, of different
genders and ages. So you've got young male, female, middle aged female,
and male, older male and female, and they're all just sounds of
human voice with no words. What I do is I take a human voice,
I will reverse it, I will slow it down to about sixty percent,
and then I'll chop it up into two second increments and then randomly put
them back together. So you've got nothing but just okay, just a bunch
of gibberish. And what you're doing is you're feeding. You're picking a bank
because if you want to speak to someone, you want to maybe speak to
a loved one, you can focus on them, ask for them to come
in, think of a happy memory of them with you, visualize their face
and ask them to work with you with the app. And then you can
pick of a sound bank that would kind of closely suit what they sounded like,
you know, generally when they were alive. And then you load that
bank the app. You after you choose it, and then there's an effect
that's put on it which is just reverb, just a little bit of echo,
and the echo elongates the sound wave, allowing the spirit to have more
of you could say, paint to paint on the canvas in a sense,
to formulate their own response out of that gibbersh. Now, people, now
you don't want to open this, So there's a noise gate, it's called
the noise gate on the app. And so you after you pick your bank,
then you're ready to go. It's still sitting in silence, and you
want to hit record and ask a simple question, Hey, how are you?
It's me are you there? And after you ask that question, after
hitting record you ask that question, you take your finger and you slide the
gate open, and then the second you slide it open, close it.
People are opening it for too long and there's too much sound coming through,
and the spirit might be using it, but there's too much sound that the
response is getting lost in the gibberish. So what you want to try to
do is just open the gate for literally like a second, barely and then
close it. And that's only going to allow there's a three second delay because
that gives them a little bit more time to manipulate that sound, the raw
sound, to form their own response. But it's just going to allow just
a little bit of sound out, which will they have to form a one,
a two, or three word response within that short interval of sound,
and you know, it can cut off some of their response, and you
know, and that is part of the challenge. But we don't want constant
sound because it's just too much. So we want to just ask that question.
You say, hit record, ask a question, open the gate,
close the gate, let the sound come out, and then stop, and
then stop recording, and then you may hear what they're saying in real time.
But but I'm telling you eighty percent of what I capture, I have
to listen. I have to hear after I record it. So you know
there's real time communication. But a lot of times you got to go back,
and a lot of people don't get that, and you got to go
back and you got to listen. So that's why there's the recording feature there.
Then you can go right to the recording tap and go back and listen
to the recording, and then you can you can email it, you can
send it, save it, you can you know, save the recording.
I wouldn't record for more than just one question, and then if you're going
to do another question, do another recording. That keeps it simple. But
yeah, don't open that gate for too long. Mark, you know,
just the second you open it, you want to close it. Okay,
I'll definitely be playing around with that tonight. I'm a lie because I'm going
to download and if I've got a question is Joshua, I'm gonna get in
touch with you all on Facebook, is I had do you do it?
No, it's fine. I mean I'm always willing to try to help people
do it, and it's for free, and I don't mind helping people.
I already sent your friend requests. So we are coming up here on the
end of the show, So let's talk about where people can find you and
the best way to reach out to you and where can they find your book.
Yeah, so everything that's related to what I do. And you know,
I'm Hope Paranormal. I mean that's I mean, I'm Joshua Lewis medium,
but I mean, you know, my group and it's just me really
is just Hope Paranormal. And so Hope Paranormal dot com is my website and
you can find everything related to what I do there Hope Paranormal dot com.
And you know, the book is on Amazon, as you said, the
app is on iOS Android. I have a paid version of the app that's
meant for desktop and computers only, and that is a that's a that's a
badass program. I mean, that's called the HSP Pro and that has only
meant for it's an online based web based program and there's three different boxes programs
in there. To use. You can record a caption your stuff. You
can. It's just amazing and it's a membership based deal. But so that
that's on my website as well. I have events. I don't have a
new one planned yet, but I have. I just did three of them,
and I have my channel, my channel Hope Paranormal and the TikTok's and
you know, book readings with me and sessions with me. So all that's
their Hope Paranormal dot com. That's brilliant, absolutely brilliant. A friend request
too. All right, well, Joshua, thank you so much for coming
on the show. This was really enlightening in so many different ways. We'll
definitely be checking out now. You also have your YouTube channel as well,
right, all of your different videos and sessions posted, so we'll be checking
that out as well. Yep. And I have a new channel that's called
Joshua Lewis Medium where I'm showing more of my mediumship abilities, i should say,
on that YouTube channel. So you got you got a couple of different
options to see what it is I'm doing. Fantastic, Okay, all right,
we'll fantastic. Well, Joshua, thanks again and thanks for having me
number one. Thank you for tuning in to another edition of the Paranormal UK
Radio Show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and Irene.
Where can people find us? Everywhere? People? Okay, all right,
everyone, you have a great evening and we will catch you all in
two weeks. Have a good one, we'll talk to you. Say good
humans. Hi,