WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:07.759 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn Seo and JP Sorrows. 2 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:14.359 It's the LAPS Fans get all my ears and profectional wrestling like you never seen 3 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:23.160 anything like it. And it's the LAPS fan name by the one in the 4 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.480 ring up to get about the slatter with the real King of swing with the 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.879 bell goes name the kick like me prone in the corner with its rash like 6 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:34.560 stay even Jerry King, you could say, go off the crown, nodding 7 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.119 his head like hiss t low brown, which you get low down frock go 8 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.039 even high up, flip you on your head. But you know, Coo 9 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.520 driver you speaking more knowledge, Dragon spits fire, keeve you more shocked than 10 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.880 a head tree tires drop a more truth than the kind of snupber less you 11 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:54.039 with a cooking mut Roddy Piper a check at JP be like j y d 12 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:59.200 drop the cupcakes Ago the grain bar means the best podcast fun start to close, 13 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.759 rif y'all be a fast. Oh look, it's another relapse from the 14 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.760 LAPS Fan Wrestling podcast. It's too good to saying us appreciate you joining us 15 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.760 here in relapsed form. A few times this week. We're going to continue 16 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.480 and going just two more relapse until hopefully the co chairs are back in the 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:21.000 mix. Maybe a couple of days extra longer than that, but uh yeah, 18 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.840 just you know, doing what I can do on my side to grab 19 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.680 a few things. And on the last relapse we look back at ECW's barely 20 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:32.079 legal, paying homage. It's a late Terry Funk, and we're going to 21 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:37.640 continue paying homage to Terry Funk. This time we're gonna go into archives of 22 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.560 Under the Cinemat. You know all about TLF and the deep dives, right, 23 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:46.519 well, the TLF co chairs, they don't just do pro wrestling, 24 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:52.680 they deep dive cinema and other words that they cinema noir. I don't know 25 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:53.719 what any of that means. I don't know Paradise Alley. I don't know 26 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.920 anything about Paradise Alley, to be honest with you, I know from the 27 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:04.079 very little bit of synopsis that I read over on Patreon that this stars Terry 28 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.199 Funk and the million Dollars Man Ted d Bass, maybe among others. Not 29 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:13.400 exactly sure, but I love it because on Under the Cinemat, JP Sorrow 30 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:17.840 gets to kind of serve as the jack and Cardosio of the program, giving 31 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:23.719 you all those nitty gritty, fine, minuscule, micro level details that make 32 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:28.280 a film go from uh, you know, a concept and an idea to 33 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.680 actually playing out on the silver screen. It's interesting, to say the least. 34 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:36.800 So it's like a deep dive, but about a film. You know, 35 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:43.280 TLF is that cast deep dives are a blast. That's actually not how 36 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.479 that rhyme goes. Actually know what, I'm gonna hit it and then we're 37 00:02:46.479 --> 00:03:04.599 gonna go under the cinemat. It's TLF on that cast nurse, it's this. 38 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:13.280 It's even Mother's had a bit. Okay, just cheer old the lapsed 39 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:19.919 fan presents under the cinemat. Yeah, I love to talk film. I 40 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:25.439 have come here to chew bubble gun and check at the break. You're going 41 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:32.240 nowhere under the cinemat rack give it out. I pick up guns. Bad 42 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.680 things happen to people I don't like. We have a movie to make. 43 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:46.439 Can we all pull together here? In between Rocky and Rocky three? It 44 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.000 could be suggested, if you ask me, that Sylvester Stallone went the way 45 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:55.199 of Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety three with a departure of Hulk Hogan Stallone thought 46 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:01.319 that he could basically use the same formula but in a different movie. So 47 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:08.599 if whole Coogan is Rocky, then Lex Luger is Paradise Alley. Wait a 48 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:13.240 minute, that would that would be like Luger coming first. Though, No, 49 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.040 Rocky came first. I can't deal with that. Rocky was released first, 50 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.839 Paradise Alley released afterwards. No, that doesn't match with my perception. 51 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:28.160 You're wrong either way. Paradise Alley is this week's crawl under the cinema. 52 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:32.160 You really you thought that I really did? Well, You're not wrong, 53 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:38.959 You're not completely wrong. Yeah, like I thought he wrote the script before 54 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:41.839 Rocky. You know, I thought. I thought Paradise Alley came out in 55 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.439 like seventy eight, and Rocky one came out in like eighty. O. 56 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.079 Rocky came out in seventy six. Oh my god, that's of course it 57 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.279 did. What am I saying? I can see it right now in my 58 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.199 mind's eye on the AFI Top one nineteen seventy six. Yeah, Rocky came 59 00:04:54.199 --> 00:05:00.079 out in seventy six. And yeah, and so this this was his second 60 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:05.759 follow up really to Rocky, which we're gonna get into. We're gonna get 61 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:11.000 into the whole thing because you know, we we explored a little bit of 62 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:17.759 Stallone in when we did Rocky three in January, and we we kind of 63 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.720 saw him as this overnight success because he was he kind of came out of 64 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.000 nowhere, made this incredible movie, one best picture, and it set his 65 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:35.240 career, which was nothing on fire right after that. Now this is very 66 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:44.279 fascinating because we're looking at a right after Rocky is actually kind of a dark 67 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.279 time for Sylvester Stallone. And we saw him in Rocky three when he was 68 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:54.319 kind of coming out of that and kind of realizing what his path needs to 69 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.560 be. But here we're gonna have to get a look at at something else 70 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.319 that's a little bit darker, and I would really expect for someone who was 71 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:08.600 coming off of such a huge high with Rocky one. You are just already 72 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:14.199 completely blowing my mind because in my head, I'm like telling myself this story 73 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.759 of you know, Si Leicester Stallone landed on boxing as by dumb luck he 74 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:23.839 originally wanted, or at least he originally conceptualized a wrestling movie, and that 75 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:28.279 the wrestling movie. But now I have to think of Paradise Alley as coming 76 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:33.279 after as it actually being a response to Rocky as opposed to in inspiring, 77 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.920 and you're gonna and you're gonna you're gonna hate this even more. From what 78 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:43.160 I could tell and what I've read, Paradise Alley was originally a boxing movie. 79 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:48.959 Ladies and Gentlemen. Yeah, ladies and fucking gentlemen. That was the 80 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:55.279 original plan, was to make a boxing movie. And instead, well, 81 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:57.519 we're gonna get into it. We're gonna geto it. Don't worry about him. 82 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.639 So let's let's talk about parad Alley here. So Paradise Alley originally Have 83 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.319 you ever seen it before? Number one? I absolutely have. Yes, 84 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:06.439 you have seen it? Okay, all right, very good. This is 85 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:10.879 going to be interesting. This is the first one. No, we've seen 86 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.079 a couple before. I guess that we both. I actually had never seen 87 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.800 this one before until I am, until I watched it, thinking Ninja Turtles 88 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:23.560 two the only one. Yeah, maybe, but we both saw Jingle all 89 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.839 the way. But you weren't as familiar with its Yeah. Yeah, I 90 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:30.120 wouldn't consider myself having seen it exactly. Yeah, So okay, very interesting. 91 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.519 So it's kind of on the flip side because I had never never seen 92 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:40.759 it before, and it is uh, it's chock full of goodness, Yes, 93 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:46.800 it is so. Paradise Alley originally started out as an unpublished book, 94 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.399 all right, written by Stallone either can't do it? That so Stallone? 95 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.199 Wait a minute, Stallone was writing a novel. Yes, he wrote. 96 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:01.920 He did write Paradise Ally the book and it was called it was called that 97 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:07.600 healths Kitchen. It was called Hell's Kitchen originally, and it was both a 98 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:13.399 book and a movie. He wrote both side by side, and so he 99 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.199 had the book, he had the script, and they were both optioned by 100 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.879 a producer. So the the the producer purchased the option to produce the movie. 101 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.639 If he's so wanted, it's it's always a good deal, you know. 102 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.799 It's it's kind of a common story. A story that that that people 103 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:39.720 don't hear. Actually as much are the stories of people who sell movie ideas 104 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.399 or movie scripts but they never get made. They just get I mean, 105 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.840 we kind of heard about that with with What's His Butt? Who Who made 106 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.240 Hell Comes to Frogtown? He he talked about it in one of his interviews 107 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.759 where he says he would go to agent's office and see just these tons of 108 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.440 unproduced scripts, and it's like there's a even take with that, because sure 109 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.759 they might not get produced, but it got someone some money. I met 110 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.840 a guy. I met a guy one time. Flying back from la I 111 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:16.960 met a He was a director, a regular director on either Gilmore Girls or 112 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.360 Seventh Heaven, I don't remember which one. And I sat next to him 113 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.919 on the plane and we just kind of started chatting, and he was like, 114 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.159 yeah, you know, you don't need to just write a script. 115 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.159 You don't need to fucking have it get made. Don't don't be so attached 116 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.720 to it. Just sell it. He said, I made one hundred thousand 117 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:35.360 dollars in a script last year. I never got made, but I made 118 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.080 the money. Yeah, that's you know, that's interesting to me, Like, 119 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.919 because at a certain point it has to become your income. Right. 120 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.440 It's not exactly you don't judge success or failure based in whether it gets made. 121 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.519 It's that always blows me away about artists at a certain point in their 122 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:54.679 life. They have to just figure out who's willing to pay for my shit? 123 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.399 And like, I don't care what they do with it, right, 124 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.559 you have to really, I mean, if there's something that you're very attached 125 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.720 to don't sell it, but if you can sell stuff, do it and 126 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:13.639 that Kevin Nash, Yeah, sell, sell, sell sell Yeah. So, 127 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:20.360 uh, Stallone sold his script to a producer twenty five thousand dollars, 128 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.559 So not a bad fucking chunk of change. This is paradise, all script, 129 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.039 This is paradise ally you have the script in the book sold to to 130 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.919 a producer twenty five grand. So I mean again we're talking. I don't 131 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.279 know what that would actually translate, but that's that's pretty significant, you know, 132 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.039 especially in like today's money. So he was doing that, was that 133 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:45.840 was a good deal. And now around the same time here he actually he 134 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.320 got an audition that led to Rocky and I'll let actually let Stallone here finish 135 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.200 the story. This is from a two thousand and seven interview with Ain't a 136 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.000 Cool News, and I quote, I was very broke, you know, 137 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:03.200 I was very broken option screenplay at Paradise Sally to a real should I say 138 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.120 this? You know maggot who put his hook so deep I could never get 139 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.240 it away from him? Now, so that huh it's red hooks, Yeah 140 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.320 right, it's red hooks so deep in you know. So the first time 141 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.159 I wanted to meet chart Off in Winkler I was. I was there on 142 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.399 an acting job. I didn't get it. But on the way I said, 143 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.720 hey, I got the screenplay you know called Paradise Alley, which really 144 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.360 wasn't it was called Hell's Kitchen. You know, I said, bring it 145 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:28.519 over, and I did, you know, I want to make it. 146 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.200 But the other cretan that I had optioned through sob notches overbearing that the producers 147 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.840 wanted nothing to do with the other screenplay. So all the way out they 148 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:39.480 said, if you have any ideas, would have to look at him. 149 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.840 Then I went home. You know, even even even a fire extinguisher couldn't 150 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.399 cool the burn in my brain. The door of opportunity was wide open. 151 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.840 I had nothing to carry over the threshold. That's why I started writing Rocky. 152 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.360 So thank God for the maggot. Otherwise I would have never written the 153 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:01.879 story mister Balboa. So yeah, so this other producer, uh, the 154 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:09.960 other producer would not relinquish his rights to Paradise Alley back to Rocky to be 155 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.799 produced by Chardoff and Winkler, who and again slic Stallone wrote the Paradise Alley 156 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.039 script in book Before Rocky. Yes, so he was destitute, he was 157 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.360 desperate. He was not riding the high of Rocky one. No, not 158 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:30.879 yet, not yet. So but once Rocky came out, obviously there was 159 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.600 a huge turn of events for for stallone. Nobody thought he was gay. 160 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:48.120 Huh, nobody thought he was gay. No, Shane fun with this, 161 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:58.200 so uh, yep he was. Now. Now this is the funny thing 162 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.320 too, because you know, we think of Sylvester's alone as this eighties action 163 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:07.639 junkie, you know, with with kind of the the exploited Rocky movies and 164 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.320 the Rambo movies and all that shit like it all these you know, Cobra 165 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.559 and uh, you know, I can't think of but you know, just 166 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:20.000 a ton of demolition man, Cliffhanger, all these things. But here actually 167 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:28.399 is Sylvester Stallone, Oscar nominated Bankable movie star in people's minds. So it's 168 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.120 like, it's not time to to to find the Nietzche and and and just 169 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.399 kind of dig into it. Now it's time to broaden the horizons. Let's 170 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.159 make some fucking work. And he made. Between Rocky and Rocky two, 171 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:48.720 he made two movies. His first was this Jimmy Hoffa inspired movie called Fist 172 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:56.320 and then came Paradise Alley, but before even filming a frame. Actually, 173 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.440 that's not true. He filmed the whole movie, but I don't know. 174 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.480 I don't know when he was writing. That's kind of weird, small difference 175 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.080 between filming a frame and filming all the frames. That's true, It's very 176 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.720 true. Slow I wanted to publish his novel all right, and that he'd 177 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.600 started years earlier, and now that he had become successful, the other producer 178 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.759 was like, hey, let's make a movie, all right. See how 179 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:28.000 that fucking works. Let's make the movie. Now, this is a producer 180 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.080 who bought the script before Rocky won success, correct, exactly, now, 181 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.919 you know, so in the end, he's the smart one kind of well 182 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.960 yeah, I mean the truth is he, you know, he bought it 183 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.559 with the intent of making it before Rocky one, So he doesn't. Yeah, 184 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.440 I don't ding him for wanting to make it after Rocky won, you 185 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.559 know, No, not at all. I don't. I don't. Also, 186 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.799 I don't. I don't hold it against him for wanting to, you 187 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.279 know, hang onto it like he obviously thought it was a good script and 188 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.759 something worthwhile, Like I don't, you know, sorry, sorry, slide 189 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:03.960 that the guy doesn't want to fucking take your money. Guy's name sorry, 190 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.600 if you've already said it, this guy's name, we'll get into that now. 191 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.559 So he's holding in his hand, this, this purchaser a wrestling script. 192 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.960 Ultimately, well, yes, ultimately, yes, okay, yeah, 193 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.080 was it more to that or you don't Well, I just wanted because you 194 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.320 had made the point that it was originally conceptualized as a boxing movie. Yes, 195 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.039 but now with Rocky having been done, he wants to switch it around. 196 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.360 So he I couldn't really figure out you know, and and I didn't 197 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:39.919 really see why wrestling per se. Yeah, but I mean, obviously, 198 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.240 if you're going to do combat sport, that's kind of what you know, 199 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.320 both movies are based around. There's not really much you can do that's going 200 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.919 to be as exciting. Yeah, you need a ring, right, you 201 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:54.039 need to ring, You need fights, and and you know, mixed martial 202 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.559 arts really wasn't a thing, at least a mainstream thing back then. So 203 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:00.360 do we do you have the sense that it was Stallone's idea to change it 204 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.879 to wrestling or the guy who owned the script stallone. I definitely get the 205 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:08.440 vibe that it stallone, But but the script that this guy bought was a 206 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:15.120 boxing movie. Yeah, okay, got it. Continue from what I know, 207 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.799 I don't. I didn't get a complete fact on that, because people 208 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.080 call it different things, but I'm pretty sure that that originally. I've read 209 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:30.720 enough stuff to realize that Paradise Sally was initially basically Rocky was basically Rocky and 210 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.559 then and then they changed it after Rocky. This is from the Des Moines 211 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:40.799 Register. Oh, I needed to finish it off, so uh so slight. 212 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.200 But he wants to publish the novel that he started, and he also 213 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.960 wants the he said this, he wants the paparazzi to basically fuck off. 214 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.440 So again from the De Moines Register. As soon as they touched touched me 215 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.840 on my hand, my hand balls into first, says Rocky star Sylvesters alone, 216 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.159 who finds he doesn't care for the attention he gets as a star. 217 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:07.000 One of these days, some nozzles gonna have a knife, says the wary 218 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:15.680 novelist. That's right, some who some muscle, says the wary novelist. 219 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.039 That's right. His first novel, Paradise Alley, is coming soon, and 220 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:26.319 he may not care for the pawing uh. He admitted to US magazine that 221 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.279 nobody would have published him if it hadn't been for Rocky. It published my 222 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:37.119 parking tickets. Well, I couldn't find any proof of parking tickets being published, 223 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.359 or publishing of US toilet paper or anything like that. I did find, 224 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:47.880 however, this article from the Talisee Democrat, which give which gives? 225 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:56.960 Really? I think really? They provided some really intense observations on Saloon as 226 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:03.559 he was out promoting the book, So Stallone sat motion motionlessly eating his salad. 227 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.400 The spirit of piece of lettuce now and then in between Mines talked about 228 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.759 himself, I'm brevetted by this lettuce right right? Can you imagine there's I 229 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:17.119 didn't really include it because it didn't really make sense, but I can remember 230 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.519 the story he so you'll see me reference this this interview with Roger Ebert that 231 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:26.160 happened in the early eighties where he talks about a lot of stuff, and 232 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.759 in one of them, he talked about how because he lived he lived so 233 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:40.480 poorly as a child that his mom would make what he called mashed potato sandwiches 234 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:48.240 or broccoli sandwiches or cucumber sandwich is basically like anything between two slices of bread, 235 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.799 and he he he went on to say, you know, you know, 236 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:59.559 you know, I have enough stuff basically like food going to his like 237 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.440 going to his brain, like he didn't have enough nourishment as a kid, 238 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.119 that it kind of messed with his head. And he's all even all eat 239 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.279 anything now, all even eat dirt. Well you're about to eat shit, 240 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.599 sly, so we'll take a good look at that. And all the Brits 241 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:21.880 are wondering what's wrong with cucumbers between two pieces of bread? And what's wrong 242 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.000 with a couple of beans between two slices of bread bread toasted bread? Yeah? 243 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.079 Sure, beans and beans and tools. Although I think in fairness you 244 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.279 put it on top of the toast, not in between two slices of I 245 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.720 would be fine with a bean, a bean and bread sandwich. Gets your 246 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:41.519 act together, wigging, wigging out. It's like a smack bar and pe 247 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:47.039 wet while you're at it. Yeah uh. And in between bands, he 248 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.240 talked about himself, his new novel Paradise Sally, which he was in New 249 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:57.799 York promoting, and and and he talked about his concept of reality quote out 250 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.240 the wire and all the you start to believe what everyone writes about. You 251 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.440 know, they're relating to your thirty five foot image, your fictional sense. 252 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.759 You know I've gone you know, fifteen rounds l any one in my life. 253 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:12.799 I've never been beaten to a pulp. But everything is if if. 254 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:17.400 Really, you know, man, even even rocks are going through metamorphosis, 255 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:25.279 he said. I admire I don't envy the reporter's job trying to keep up 256 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:30.440 with those uh streams of consciousness and faithfully quote this man. Hopefully there was 257 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.200 a tape recorder running. Yeah, you keep that fucking thing running. You 258 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.160 get you get your reel to reel recorder and be changing reels as fast as 259 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.240 you can sign. So I need you to write your number down because afterwards 260 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.160 I'm gonna need to play this tape back to use. You can translate yourself 261 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:49.279 to me. Metamorphosis a strange word, this, especially when said with the 262 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:55.799 tough intonation contours of the street. But thirty one year old stallone, he's 263 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.920 thirty one, seem to like to make a sport of convincing everyone he really 264 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.559 was just a lucky bomb who played a character much nobler than I really am. 265 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:08.960 He smiled whenever he said something solemn like the high school football captain who 266 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.759 whose friends had just discovered reading poetry. Look that smile seemed to say, 267 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:21.640 I was only looking for the dirty pictures. I stillone looked around the room 268 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:25.599 constantly as he talked, first at his manager, then at the interviewer, 269 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:30.759 then back at the manager. He obviously enjoyed playing intellectual ping pong. He 270 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:36.240 talked about being an old He talked about being an old world person with ancient 271 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:41.960 values. He talked about women. Oh, the ugly Adrians are always more 272 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:48.079 interesting than the super pretty girls. He talked about justice and politics. His 273 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.200 voice rose only once, and that was when he described his secret desire to 274 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:57.480 be a benevolent dictator. You'll let me run the country for three months. 275 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:03.440 I want airbags, I want the steel companies to pay forty percent taxes, 276 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:06.400 and I'll tell Egypt you know about having all that oil. What are you 277 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.200 guys crazy? A bunch of sheep Order's gonna take over the world? No 278 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.799 way, man, Yeah, I know, seriously, I mean yeah. 279 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:18.000 They don't even draw as a tag team until they were a comedy team in 280 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.759 America. I mean, Jesus, they can take over the world if what 281 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.000 the world needs now or you know, forehead liquors, or if the if 282 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.920 they're going to do a you know, sell some autographs at the World in 283 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.839 New York City. Fuck me. He shifted in his seat and began a 284 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:41.160 discussion about quote bad guys unquote first alone, the bad guys are people who 285 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:45.079 have really no talent, but yet want to be supported by people who do. 286 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.519 He said that with the gravity of a man who has known what it 287 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.880 means to be talented and unemployed, and as a man who knows what it 288 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.240 now means to have long lost friends suddenly surface to try to inhale some of 289 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:03.240 his success. The celemnity, the solemn, celemnity, solemnity, thank you 290 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.920 was beginning to bore him, and he turned the conversation to something less lofty. 291 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.359 His sixty five pound dumbbells. He lifts them daily to keep in shape, 292 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:21.839 and a displayed himself for righting acting he could drop his pants. Sixty 293 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.000 five pound dumbbells. Dumbbells. That are those as assistants. I don't don't 294 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:33.319 understand. Cue the sound of fabric touching the carpet. Thank you. He 295 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.640 flexed his right arm, glanced down at his biclap, and then looked up 296 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.000 and overacted. He'll dake himselfs seriously, this business a nightmare, he said, 297 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.799 and smiled, And his smile was reflected by the glass of the table, 298 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.920 and reflected again by the walnut framed mirror. Okay, the wall, 299 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.119 and retransmitted through the suite until it was lost in the deep carpeting of the 300 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.559 room. Now do you mean to say that there was action of his weighty 301 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:07.480 metamorphosis? Man? Is that the last thing? That is the last fucking 302 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:15.519 I don't regret cutting that off at all. Look, he's sitting in the 303 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.279 same chair he was sitting in when the interview began, and he was talking 304 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.000 prosaically about, you know, the weather. Let's not act like there was 305 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.680 some magical moment where suddenly the setting and the scenery changed. You know, 306 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.599 you can't read the significance into the into an unchanged you know what I mean? 307 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.240 Environ't know what you're talking about. This was what happened here was was 308 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:41.880 was a miracle. I think I think we all owe a debt of gratitude 309 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.599 to the writer for being so perceptive about the fucking hotel room he did this 310 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.640 interview in. But can I say, you know, as as I researched 311 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:49.880 this thing. Now, I know I credited the Tallahassee Democrat. I don't 312 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:55.720 know who the fuck wrote this because you find the same goddamn article in so 313 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:00.400 many newspapers. Wow, I found this exact name, one word for word 314 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.240 in I don't know how many news Probably a wire it's probably a wire service. 315 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.640 Article happens all the time, Associated Press, Reuters, John's, Frantz 316 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.119 Press. You know. And who the fuck am I supposed to give credit 317 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.960 to? Well, if you look at the top, who's the author? 318 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:22.519 Doesn't say I don't know. I'm not saying wire service now that it probably 319 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.920 says wire services or something like that. It'll always say under the name. 320 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.519 But you know, aside from that, the Tallahassee Democrat aka someone who'll never 321 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:38.119 get elected governor. I know, we definitely know where this paper stands in 322 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:45.559 the in the political world. Rohn de Santis no fan of the Tallahassee Democrat. 323 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.640 Let me tell you one. But I put it on that one. 324 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:56.039 Brian Blair. Now, so uh, not much I could find about the 325 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.400 actual book of Paradise Salary. But the book it's was published by the Berkeley 326 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:07.039 Publishing Group, and it was officially on bookshelves October first, nineteen seventy eight, 327 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.119 a little less than two months shy of the opening of the movie. 328 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:18.680 So there were some reviews. However, the Shreveport Time said Sylvester Stallone, 329 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.799 who vaulted to fame and fortune with his film Rocky, is apparently not content 330 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.759 with his phenomenal triple success as a screenwriter, actor, and director. He 331 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.359 has now diverted as multiple talents to the writing of his first work of fiction, 332 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.559 Pad that was in the way, that was in the works before Rocky. 333 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.799 Yeah, but nobody really knew that. And also I think he rewrote 334 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.640 it if it was a boxing movie and a boxing story, he rewrote it 335 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:48.200 to be the wrestling thing because from from what I know, from what I've 336 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:53.160 read, the book very much goes, you know, word for word to 337 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.359 the movie. I see, it's a companion piece more than right. So 338 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.119 it's mostly Kraft did f after rock Yeah. I'm sure when he when he 339 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.680 wrote it, he was thinking just this, you know, like create a 340 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:11.319 book, you know, try to do you know, create the marketing, 341 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:17.559 create the franchising for it. Because how many movies, you know, especially 342 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.960 back in like the eighties and nineties, had a novelization. They all did 343 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.480 big ones, small ones. They all had a novelization of it, and 344 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:30.160 they were kind of fun sometimes because more often than not, the novelization because 345 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.279 it was being written around it was being written around the same time the movie 346 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:41.240 was being made, so the draft of the script that the authors were using 347 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.839 were usually older, you know, so they had different moments that that you 348 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.920 know, added a little bit of I don't know, a little bit of 349 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.119 depth to the story that you might have missed because they cut out that scene 350 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:56.839 or they cut it out of the script or when they were editing the movie. 351 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.400 You know, there's a lot, you know, I don't know about 352 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.759 this one because it I don't I can't think of many screenwriters who wrote their 353 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:11.400 own novelizations. But the novelization does not imply that the movie had been released 354 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.319 and then the novel was written. It implies it was being written at the 355 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.880 same time as the movie was being shot. Usually okay, because I can 356 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.960 picture, like, you know, a movie being a hit and then suddenly 357 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.440 you see a book about a book on the right on the shelves. It 358 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.880 usually comes out like right after or right before, depending on you know, 359 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.759 if you're looking forward or not. I remember, I remember one of the 360 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.839 weirdest ones that I found. It actually made me think that the movie was 361 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:42.799 based on a book. Do you remember the movie Insomnia with uh Alpaccino and 362 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.720 and what the fuck's his name? He's dead now? And good Will hunting 363 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.119 Robin will Williams, Robin Williams and he's the bad guy. It was like 364 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.440 a big thing. Oh. It was right after the one that we like, 365 00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.400 the one hour, one Hour Photo, one hour Full two. Yeah, 366 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.319 so he did that one, and I think right after it, right 367 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:08.000 before, and I remember the summer after it came out, I was like, 368 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:11.680 I saw the book. I was like, oh shit, I didn't 369 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.799 realize that it was based on a book. I think I might get that. 370 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.319 I liked that movie, and then as I was reading, I was 371 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:18.920 like, this doesn't sound like a good book. This isn't real written. 372 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.720 This is kind of schlocky. And I looked around and I said, oh, 373 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.839 based on the movie. It's currently in theaters, Like oh fuck. 374 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.720 See that's what I When I think of novelization, I just think of a 375 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.000 strictly commercial attempt to find another way to sell the movie. And it wasn't 376 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.880 usually is it usually is this is different. The only, like I said, 377 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:45.119 the only benefit of that like is how the author is allowed. Is 378 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.160 the author allowed to kind of go in a different direction sometimes. Like The 379 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:56.680 novelization for the movie Halloween is amazing. I love it. It's different as 380 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:03.079 it has a couple different scenes while also having good descriptions of the regular stuff. 381 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.240 And I haven't read it. I own it, but I haven't finished 382 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.240 it, or even started it for that matter. But Halloween three, a 383 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.279 lot of people, not anyone who knows the Halloween franchise knows that generally, 384 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.559 Halloween three is considered the worst because it complete. It's a complete departure from 385 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.799 the formula of the first two movies, and it basically goes from the Michael 386 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:30.559 Myers story to something completely not connected whatsoever? I say, completely not connected. 387 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.640 And but I have heard that the novelization is actually and a lot of 388 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:41.160 people don't like it. I enjoyed. It's really stupid fun. But a 389 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.480 lot of people have said, I've read that the novelization is actually quite good. 390 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:51.559 Got it? So it all depends, It all depends. So book 391 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:59.119 reviews. Back to where we were? Where was I in this one? 392 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:10.240 He has Paradise Alley contains an array of stock characters that should contribute profitably to 393 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.480 its eventual future as a movie. It's cast includes the following, the innocent 394 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.599 who is tempted into self betrayal of his own decent instincts by greed, the 395 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.400 Judas brother who conceives the idea, the girl whose faith in the hero remains 396 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:29.839 unshaken, and the evil gang members who constitute the enemy. Stallone's language, 397 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:36.400 both in dialogue and exposition, is so economical as to be classified as parsimonious. 398 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:44.799 Correct well done. Staccato paragraphs and sharp bursts of prose are jarring, 399 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:52.039 if unusual. When he essays description the feature, the figures of speech arc 400 00:31:52.400 --> 00:32:04.160 somewhat ah. The figures of speech are somewhat strained. The Courier post. 401 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.440 If you're expecting a great piece of literary art in this first novel by the 402 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:14.640 author and actor of Philadelphia's Rocky, you'll be quite disappointed for Stallone's performance. 403 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:20.359 This time leaves much to be desired, namely a level of writing beyond fifth 404 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.000 grade. If Stallone is relying on this novel for literary recognition or financial gains, 405 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.440 he had better forget it and get on with this story. For the 406 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:35.319 movie It Is Soon to Become, and the Tennesseean actually gave us a flavor 407 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.759 of Stallone's prose You're ready, Well, I think so, no one really 408 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.599 felt like moving. During the summer of forty six, old people with wrinkled 409 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:51.599 skin and gray hair that stuck to the nape of their sweaty necks leaned from 410 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.920 the tenement windows like wilted flowers and tried to fan themselves. It was not 411 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.880 worth it because it took too much effort and it did no good. Above 412 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.279 these wilted humans hung a maze of clothes lines that sagged and wove a pattern 413 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:15.119 five stores above the streets. So really incredible probing artistry there by Slot. 414 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.079 It's it's it's imagery, is what it is, and it's pasties. I 415 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.880 mean he's writing it is it is. I mean you have to think about 416 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:28.720 that and think about the different layers and levels there, you know with you 417 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.519 know, he's comparing old people to flowers who have lost their bloom you know 418 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.319 in him. Yeah, in the hot summer of nineteen forty six. So 419 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.519 uh, either way, a movie was already in the can when the book 420 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.119 came out, So it's not like the locomotive. Here was slowing down for 421 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.039 every for anybody. So I forgot this. This movie takes place in the 422 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.359 forties. Yeah, forty six. Okay, yeah, that picture taking place 423 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.640 in the seventies. Nineteen forty six wrestling. You're ready club wrestling. This 424 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:05.160 is this is right up Bruno's alleys. On the phone, somebody gets Stanislaus 425 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:13.920 on the phone. Hey, no, I would fight now. You know, 426 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:21.280 there's a whole slew of wrestling talent in this film, but one particular 427 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.199 who was our star for this episode, former NWA world champ Terry Funk. 428 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:32.920 Uh. So they filmed some behind the scenes footage which was featured in a 429 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:44.280 a non televised uh pilot for a TV show called Pro Wrestling Weekly with Less 430 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.239 Stature. Yeah, and it actually featured into it. Here we go listen. 431 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.320 In nineteen seventy eight, Stallone made a feature film called Narni's Alley, 432 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.760 which was about the pro mass sport during the nineteen forties. Flycast some twenty 433 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.679 grapplers in the production, and one of those feature roles went to the world 434 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.119 heavyweight champion Terry Funk. Let's go behind the scenes of the making of Paradise 435 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:09.119 Alley. We're on the Universal Studio set of the motion picture Paradise Alley, 436 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:15.599 starring Sylvester Stallone. He has created for the cameras a colorful nineteen forties fight 437 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:22.079 club called Paradise Alley, an authentic recreation with hundreds of costumed extras in the 438 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.440 Leaky room. Paradise Alley is the story of three brothers down on their luck 439 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.119 in New York City who try to meet their fortune by turning the youngest brother 440 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:37.159 into a professional wrestler. Kids So, the film's climax is a spectacular, 441 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:42.159 no holds barred battle for which the wrestlers have been rehearsing for several months. 442 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:50.719 Yes they have. Yeah, really, the priest of the White Striders them. 443 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.800 He's a former heavyweight world champion wrestler, like his brother and like his 444 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:59.719 father before him. Because of Amarilla Sessions, he is coming from the face 445 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.679 right. Aside from his acting role, he's also taken on the instead of 446 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.199 what you're teach you, Lee can't leave never wrestled in his life to become 447 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.800 a spcial wrestler. Oh yeah, sounds like men were bumping in the background. 448 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.360 Huh, sounds like men were working and umping. There is definitely some 449 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:22.239 bumping happening. I believe that W twos were being handed out right just to 450 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:28.400 be forced right, all regulations met. Now that what happened to voiceover guys 451 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.960 like that? Where did they go? How do we not? You know, 452 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.719 it's one thing to be a style of a time, but there is 453 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.320 no one alive that can do that voice. How does that happen? You 454 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:45.079 mean, like this, Sylvesters alone is here? We are visiting with sylvesterst 455 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.920 Alone on the set of his new movie Paradise Alley something like that. Yes, 456 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.760 but I could be wrong. I could be a mark for this, 457 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:57.719 But I felt like people who got voiceover work like that weren't putting it on 458 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.199 that That's actually how they talked. If you were to meet them in real 459 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:05.360 life, might be you know, maybe I'm just letting the pictures color my 460 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.639 I think there's always a little bit of embellishment and performance in it. Yeah, 461 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.199 well that's true. But I felt like if I walked the streets in 462 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.360 nineteen seventy eight or whenever that was filmed, there's seventy five, I would 463 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.159 have met a fair number of people who talked like that. You might have, 464 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.079 and now I would meet zero people because now I wouldn't have local fry. 465 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.880 You know, yeah, I can't, can't be can't be perceived as 466 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:35.559 caring about anything, God forbid. So let's talk about Terry Funk here. 467 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:42.239 And I think there's no better way to introduce mister fume K then by turning 468 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.239 to his book, The Terry Funk More Than what is it? Hardcore? 469 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.559 More than Hardcore, more than Hardcore, Top five wrestling book of all time 470 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.480 in my book such as it is? All right, Well, let's turn 471 00:37:53.559 --> 00:38:00.679 to chapter fourteen, No business like show Business. I met silverstur Stallone in 472 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.320 nineteen seventy seven. I'm not gonna do the voice. After getting this crazy 473 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.119 letter that said Sylvester Stallone is doing a movie on pro wrestling and is looking 474 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.840 for a wrestler to play a lead in the movie. I think everybody else 475 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.599 who read it must have just thought it was a rib and threw it in 476 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.599 the trash. But I read it and sent a reply back to them. 477 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.719 They responded back and asked for a tape. I sent them a tape of 478 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.119 meat cutting a five minute promo once Stallone talking about him coming down from New 479 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:31.519 York City and just my normal bullshit, And you know Fortunately, he funk 480 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:39.320 himself tweeted a talk show segment that he was on where they aired part of 481 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.800 the clip there. I guess that's what he wanted, was a goop and 482 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.599 the nuts. So I went ahead and just kind of made this promo, 483 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.719 you know. And I hadn't talked to him yet, and I went ahead 484 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:53.719 and I said, John, I said, sly, you overbearing, obnoxious 485 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:59.800 egg ducking dog, I'm gonna go ahead and hit you over with ahead with 486 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.679 it. Lay a minute, brick until your eyeball. I think, I 487 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.960 think, give me a little too passive right now. It was more like 488 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:13.119 this. We got the tape, baby, look at it? Why you 489 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:29.360 overbaring obnoxious, perverted eggs second dog? How fucking money is it that the 490 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:37.000 audition tape lives? I I adore that is the right word, the egg 491 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:45.400 sucking dog, transcendent line that that will pop normal people. Eggs sucking dog. 492 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.119 Just tremendous shit, tremendous shit. Uh So back to the book. 493 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.079 He loved it. He brought me up there and I read for the part 494 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.559 he liked me. I guess because he told me I got the party. 495 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.599 That would mean he liked you their pal. He also needed someone to stage 496 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:06.000 the action scenes, so I choreographed those. He also wanted someone to teach 497 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:13.760 Lee Kenalito. How did what again? You what those horn wounds? Not 498 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:15.639 that you had a lot of practice. I mean, do you mean that 499 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:22.039 it's ballet terry exactly? Because when I think choreography, I think ballet person 500 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:29.039 I think I think two twos and you know ballet shoes and you know dancing 501 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:36.559 and leaping. So maybe maybe I misunderstood. He also wanted someone and I 502 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.719 did that shooting a movie was a lot different than performing in front of a 503 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:43.360 live crowd, more than I thought it would be, and that one I 504 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.079 was kind of in my element because I was playing a wrestler. But you 505 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.960 still have to watch for over acting most of the time. It's not easy 506 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.880 for a wrestler to be an actor, myself included, Nor is it easy 507 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.840 for an actor to be a wrestler. I don't know. I've ended pretty 508 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.000 well on my own, but that's sure. There aren't as many similarities between 509 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.039 the two professions as there might seem, and I found this to be true 510 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.159 and everything I did in Hollywood. The business side is also different. As 511 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.800 a wrestler, promoters would try to find me. In the entertainment industry, 512 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.960 I was having to find producers of TV and movies. Unlike in wrestling, 513 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:23.079 thement industry doesn't give a shit who you are. What matters that you do 514 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.960 a good job on the set. It's a profession of rejection. It would 515 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.679 be like it would be like playing piano. If I started when I was 516 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.880 three, By the time I was an adult, I might be able to 517 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.440 play concerto. Same thing with acting. If someone starts at age three, 518 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.079 they can go along and do great later on. But just walk out there 519 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.760 and think you can play a part of them in a movie with heavy dialogue 520 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.559 is like thinking you can play concerto the first time you sit down and play 521 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.480 the piano for the first time you and your tag team partner pick up steel 522 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:59.360 chairs. Exactly when you get in a dialogue, you'd better be pretty adept 523 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.559 at what you're doing. I've seen the Rocks movies, and he's good, 524 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.480 but they're all action movies. You're asking to play a role on a show 525 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.199 like Law and Order where it's ninety five percent dialogue, and he's going to 526 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.320 find out it's all very long, hectic and heavy. As far as I'm 527 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:21.079 concerned, the best actor to ever to come out of pro wrestling was Roddy 528 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:27.159 Piper. Wow, he was able to make the transition to acting and acting 529 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.719 well, you know who else turned in a pretty damn good performance, Andre 530 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.679 the Giant Sure in the Princess Bride Coming to Soon under the cinemat. I 531 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.280 was going to say there was less than zero percent chance that that will not 532 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.119 make it under the cinemat. Yes, yes, sooner than later, for 533 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.400 sure. And trust me, as you'll read later, I had plenty of 534 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.760 chances to study that performance. I'd ever went on later to faith to see 535 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.599 why. He had plenty of chance to study that performance. But I'm sure 536 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.960 it's a fascinating tale. Okay, enough, better to do, Terry. 537 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:06.079 Did you just buy the VHS cassette and washed a bunch of times? I'm 538 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:10.039 confused. Well, it's true he did have a lifetime's practice and studying performances. 539 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:15.320 True, the toughest thing in acting is to play yourself, and that's 540 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.679 truly what Andre did in that movie. A lot of people don't know this, 541 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.920 but Andre was a very smart guy. He spoke something like six different 542 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:27.480 languages. The first time I ever saw him, I was so in awe 543 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.119 of the sides of him that I didn't immediately noticed, the intelligent, how 544 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:36.559 the intelligent guy that he was. I certainly didn't assume he was a dummy. 545 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.239 I'm not a prejudice person, the kind of person who's going to assume 546 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.400 that a big guy must also be a dumb guy. Okay, calm down, 547 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.559 No one's coming after you. Tear. Yeah, you're kind of setting 548 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.039 up and knocking down your own boogeyman. If I dare say, vou dolt 549 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.320 protest too much, I do question. Maybe you are a prejudice person there, 550 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.679 Terry. Yeah, it sounds okay. You know, into your credit 551 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.519 you're you're fighting that prejudice, but it exists nonetheless. Clearly you're struggling with 552 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.719 it. I'm saying that you are prejudiced, sir, And you know what, 553 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.599 I don't know if you're fighting it, so eat that shit. Prove 554 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:17.960 to me you're not prejudiced. Yes, exactly, Yes, I'm waiting. 555 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.599 Oh and he goes and that, of course that's what he said. That 556 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:29.400 just makes it worse. Does anything not make it worse? No, he's 557 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.760 always it always gets worse. Okay, thank you. Drive through Funk's co 558 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.960 star Lee uh oh, Lee Candelino, This guy. Very fun of Funk's 559 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:46.519 performance lead to an interview on this fucking podcast, The Stallone Fanatic Podcast, 560 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.280 where he he shared some stories. One of them, uh this one, 561 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:57.400 you know, you take care of Funk plan the part Franks Amper. I 562 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.480 mean, wow, the head. They had a whole lot of restaurants that 563 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:06.320 was on the set. Yeah, different actions, but how many I got 564 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.559 to thank him? I got to look in and watch this. I watched 565 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.360 a few times and watch this character, and I mean, boy, what 566 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:20.400 a performance he put on for just a just a mean crazy character role, 567 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.679 you know. And he just played that part like I'm I'll tear up anything, 568 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.519 and I'm gonna beat this person up and I'm nobody's gonna mess with me. 569 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:36.239 You know. Well it's great because it's like he really it's almost like 570 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:43.480 he was playing his own wrestling character in that movie. Nice. Wait, 571 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.000 a cool story. Totally deflate the whole fucking thing. There, host, 572 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.000 that's what you get. It's your turn, that's right. So you know 573 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:59.480 is the guy huh no, please go ahead, is the is the guy 574 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.840 who plays the youngest, the guy who wrestles. He's the guy who wrestles, 575 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.039 who lowers himself to wrestling for the family. Yeah, which is kind 576 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.400 of funny. Like when you see the guy in the movie, you don't 577 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.920 think that he sounds like that. I mean the guy right if you if 578 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.920 you haven't seen it, the guy is a is kind of he kind of 579 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.760 looks like he could be Marlon Brando's brother. You know, he's a tall, 580 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.559 big guy. This guy sounds like a fucking farmer, you know, 581 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.599 the one that that just and he's from Texas originally, but you wouldn't know 582 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.840 that watching the movie. The guy looks just like, you know, a 583 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:46.119 fucking bodybuilder. It's it's it's pretty incredible. Cornette told the story as well, 584 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:52.559 which this story has gone down in legend, about how kind of coincides 585 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:59.000 with the Canalito and realizing that wrestlers aren't all bad, but Stallone standing up 586 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:04.760 for the phony athletes. The reason why Terry was involved there is because he 587 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.800 and Stallone had worked together. They did a number of things, but first 588 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:14.119 was Paradise Alley back in seventy eight. When Stallone did that, Terry obviously 589 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.679 had a major part, but he got to know a lot of the other 590 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.920 wrestlers. And Terry told me this is this is a firsthand antidote, a 591 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:29.159 funny story from Terry Funk, But it's it's been told when the stunt men 592 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.559 on the film, the regular Hollywood stunt men were over in the corner fucking 593 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.440 you know, talking about the phony wrestlers, and stallone came in and fucking 594 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.960 shut him down and said, Hey, I'd like to see any of you 595 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.719 fucking guys do what these guys do with the crowd on all four sides of 596 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.960 them lab in one take. So shut fuck up basically, and you know, 597 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.400 probably a few more words, but not necessarily any nicer. Yeah, 598 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:59.719 that's definitely a story that Jim Cornett would never forget. Absolutely a lot of 599 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:00.960 guys don't forget that one. We'll hear it a couple more times. I 600 00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:07.679 think, yeah, all right, is this the same Lee Kennelito that's sentenced 601 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.039 to four years for drug dealing? I don't believe. So, No, 602 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.199 Okay, carry on. I believe it's a different one. I do not 603 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:15.599 see in the stuff that I read about him. I did not see anything 604 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.719 about drug dealing. This guy seems, believe it or not, like just 605 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.159 a he's just like a you know, like a like a decent Downer. 606 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.920 Sorry, yes, I shouldn't have spoke before I clicked through its middle name 607 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.280 Lee Kennelito. So we move forward now, but Texas. So but you 608 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.840 right there, you go back to Terry's book. So even though Stallone liked 609 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.719 me, Herb Nannis had his doubts. Herb was one of the executive producers 610 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.000 of Paradise Sally and was married to Helen Ready, the singer. Now I 611 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.599 had to look this up because I was like, I don't Herb Nannis. 612 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.800 I don't know what he did for the movie. He's not a producer, 613 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.480 he's not listed on a producer, and he's not even credited as having worked 614 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:02.320 on the movie on on IMDb. In the end credits of the movie, 615 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.519 he is listened under the special thanks section, which says to me that Herb 616 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.039 was probably just married to the singer and offered her services. I see, 617 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.440 Okay, besides that, I don't know unless he did something kind of whacky. 618 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.599 Maybe he got a I mean, I don't know, I got a 619 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:22.199 location that nobody else could or something. I don't know. But either way, 620 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:27.360 he was not a producer. I just drove Herb nuts. He hated 621 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.960 me by that time because I had gotten him with the old Japanese flyer trick 622 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.920 A couple of weeks before this is who talking, this is this is funk 623 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.199 got it? Canalito was there too, and I stood up a package of 624 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.079 cigarettes and had them on the edge of a table. The trick was to 625 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.199 stand about ten feet from the pack with your right arm facing them, So 626 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.679 Matt said, okay, so ten feet back from the pack with your right 627 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:59.559 arm facing them, with your hand at your side but one finger sticking straight 628 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.760 out to the right. Then you'd step sideways without looking at the pack, 629 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.559 but instead looking straight ahead. The object was to knock over the pack with 630 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:13.559 your extended finger. I told Herb this was how the Japanese qualified their pilots. 631 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.360 You have to pass this test before they'd even consider you for pilot training. 632 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.239 I told him, you have to pick yourself a spot before you look 633 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.920 away and concentrate on hitting that spot. I'll give fifty dollars if anyone can 634 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.840 do it. Canalito tried but couldn't do it. Herb said, hey, 635 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.719 let me try. I mean I can do that. Well, come on 636 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:38.280 then, Herb, but don't cheat, okay, I won't. Herb stood 637 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.920 sideways to the pack, of it on the table and started moving towards it 638 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.000 while looking straight ahead. He couldn't see me from that angle, so just 639 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:51.400 before he got to the table, I pulled my pants down and spread my 640 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:57.280 cheeks. Before you know what he was doing, he had stuck his finger 641 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.760 in my ass. I don't believe that. I believe it went up his 642 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:06.360 asshole. No way. I'm gonna guess that maybe he touched a cheek, 643 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.519 but I'm not gonna say that he had his finger up his anal cavity. 644 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.159 The next thing I know, my prostate was being activated and I was coming 645 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:21.639 without touching my dick. The next thing I knew, Herb had found a 646 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.679 chunk of shit in my ass that I've been trying to get out for two 647 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.480 weeks. The next thing I knew, I realized that wasn't Herb's finger. 648 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:37.199 The next thing I realized it was slies Cock. Kenni, Leo and I 649 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.079 were laughing, but Herb went over as ever went out of his ever loving 650 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.599 mind. He went absolutely nuts. He was convinced Stallone had brought a nut 651 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:52.960 onto the set. After that, he did he had, he did, 652 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.559 Yeah, and there's there's you know, there's there's accuracy to that seventy eight. 653 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.320 By the way, what what year is this? Seventy eight, seven, 654 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:06.239 seventy seven? Thank you. Cantalino also shared a pretty cool story about 655 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:12.000 a time when James Garner, actor who played Maverick of the TV series, 656 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:19.159 was on set during a wrestling scene that that Funk choreographs we're doing the scene 657 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.440 to Terry Funk. Men, we did the wrestling scene because he called me 658 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.039 Leasky. I said, I'm not polish, Emma. He says, Lesky. 659 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:30.800 Looks people looking at I want to let them get a real taste of 660 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:35.960 wrestling. I'm getting time to be and now it's not real. And o'kay, 661 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.440 terrible whatever you say, you know, you know, I mean he 662 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.559 would go ahead and wide opens. Oh my goodness, you know, and 663 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.039 wait, I said, all right, cutt, thank you bright. So 664 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.159 I met I met h Maverick. You know, I call it Maverick. 665 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:52.679 But it was so nice, super nice guy. He goes, doesn't that 666 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:58.679 hurt? Are you better know it? Terry, he's not playing today. 667 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.360 Now it doesn't actually hurt. No, it's it's fake. If it hurts, 668 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.360 you're doing it wrong, right. That's kind of the way that it 669 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:09.039 is. If you hurt somebody or you get hurt. I mean, it 670 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:12.360 just feels like a rough day at the office if you're a football player. 671 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.559 Correct, so Brett says, who said that, Brett Hart, that's simuch 672 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:27.320 chapters I hurt myself today to see if I still feel. Terry Funk also 673 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.679 did a pretty great prominent interview rather himself for that behind the scenes thing that 674 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:36.159 I played earlier that was aired on the Well it didn't air, but it 675 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.760 was featured on the Progress and Weekly that didn't air. Here we go. 676 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:45.519 The foulm is based on reality. In a nineteen forty six, forty seven, 677 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:51.800 forty eight they used to have club wrestling and now as in Los Angeles 678 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.679 to New York because the availability of transportation. But back then it was just 679 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.440 as far as a person could go or travel or the area that he was. 680 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:08.360 My father died while wrestling, and uh, I respect my support very 681 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:14.280 very much. And I'm an individual and I'm an athlete, and nobody tells 682 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:15.719 me what to do whenever I'm want to step into a wrestling ring. And 683 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.840 it's a very tough type of life. You're seeing movies where they knock it 684 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.119 and knock it. Well, this one isn't gonna knock it. Okay, 685 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:27.719 all right, So first of all, is he saying in the forties there 686 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:32.440 were no planes or trains? Well, I think I think what he's saying 687 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:38.880 is that people wouldn't necessarily travel out of town to go see wrestling. I 688 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.960 thought he meant travel out of town to go wrestle in another era. No, 689 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.599 I think he means. I think that's why it's the club where you 690 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:51.280 go to the club, because that's where the wrestlers are. That's pretty what 691 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.199 a great revelation here and under the cinemat we actually understand what the fuck Bruno 692 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.920 is talking about when he insisted on saying this the club. The club isn't 693 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:05.960 the club. It's the club, the Pittsburgh Club, the Brooklyn club with 694 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:15.719 Pastrami, I'd like the BLT club. Terry goes on to say Paradise Sally 695 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:22.519 went well then got great reviews. Sorry to burst that bubble there, Pal, 696 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.239 But but what was what was the one? Was it Suburban Commander? 697 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.480 What was the fib that like? Oh it made oh it made money? 698 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.400 Yeah right, yeah, it made money, Suburban Command I made money. 699 00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.760 No, No, it didn't it. I mean people saw it, so 700 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:45.000 technically money was exchanged for the viewing of the movie, but it it never 701 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.320 broke that barrier that it needed a break. Let me put it do this 702 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:54.320 way. If made money, If the phrase made money means absolutely nothing, 703 00:55:54.440 --> 00:56:00.880 then it made money. If the term made money is not actually a term 704 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.760 and doesn't really exist in the world, then yes, it made money. 705 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.599 And I thought, well, this is great. I'll just go home and 706 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:15.079 wait for another job. Another job didn't come. It took me a while 707 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:20.159 to figure out why. Who the hell was supposed to know me? How 708 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:22.800 the hell were they supposed to call me up. I didn't even have any 709 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.360 I didn't even know to have an agent. That's how ignorant I was. 710 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.239 I just happened to be at a friend's house in Amarilla. A few years 711 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.519 later, when Vicki called Vicky Is, she said, Arthur, Arthur Chabanian 712 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:43.320 had called the house looking for me. Vicki is his wife? Oh okay. 713 00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.679 He was one of slic Stallone's best friends and associate producer of Paradise Alley. 714 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:54.320 He told me, we've we've fat people calling looking for you. He 715 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:59.159 told me about a part that was open on a new Western series called wild 716 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:05.760 Side for the ABC Network. Tom Green, who'd written episodes of the show's 717 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:10.599 night writer and Magnum Pi, among others, was the show's creator. Germanian 718 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.280 told me to send Green a tape, so I did. The tape I 719 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:19.679 sent Tom was a cornball thing with me telling some stupid five minute joke. 720 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.239 I filmed the right in front of a caboose on the ranch, a spot 721 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:27.679 where I filmed a lot of wrestling promos over the years. They had me 722 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.880 come out and do a reading and they offered me the part of Prometheus Jones, 723 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:35.440 a former outlaw and lasso expert. Green had really pushed for me with 724 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:39.519 the Disney people. I don't think Disney owned ABC back then. I know 725 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:46.079 they didn't, so sorry they're terry. Working on a series was difficult because 726 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:51.960 there's new dialogue to learn every day. It changes every week, just a 727 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:58.239 constant deal. You can't just walk out there unprepared. I thought the show 728 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.920 was a pretty good series and could have had a long life if not for 729 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.159 the competition. We were right up against the second season of The Cosby Show. 730 00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.039 Cosby just smoked us. But we had a great cast. Meg Ryan, 731 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:13.280 Howard Rawlins, j Eddy Peck, Bill Smith, and John Diccino. 732 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.880 I thought I'd learned from my paradise Allie Lesson and stay in California for a 733 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.039 while this time, and I did pretty well. I ended up doing a 734 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:27.320 number of commercials, and I also realized I could get health insurance with membership 735 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.159 and the Screen Actors Guild. There it is again, that's like, you 736 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:35.239 know, that's real currency to a That is ejaculation right there. For a 737 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.760 wrestler, it was very beneficial because in wrestling it was hard to get insurance 738 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:44.840 at all. Every year I started going back just long enough to qualify for 739 00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:46.840 my Screen Actors Guild insurance. You have to make a certain amount of money 740 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:52.880 through acting each year to be qualified member those back just enough. What does 741 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:58.239 he mean by go back like you'd go back to LA and work do something. 742 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.320 Okay, yeah, yeah, he just enough work that he could do 743 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.840 to earn insurance. I'm sure it was way less than what it is today. 744 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.559 It's actually it's actually quite a signifant amount of money you have to make 745 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:14.079 too to qualify for SAG insurance. It's like, I see, it's like, 746 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.400 okay, so you're not really here for the for everybody, you know, 747 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:20.599 You're we're just kind of funny because you think if you lowered it, 748 00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:25.119 you'd get more people paying for it. But you know also also more people 749 00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:30.480 that might contract catastrophic cancer and lead to a massive Still, yeah, I 750 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:36.519 suppose that is true. We are we are a dramatic folk. I didn't 751 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.840 catastrophic from an emotional outburst point of view. That's like a medical term. 752 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.800 It's there's more of an insurance term. Catastrophic claims can really bust a budget. 753 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:51.880 So Disney bought ABC in nineteen ninety six. For the record, just 754 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:57.360 around the time he was doing a show opposite The Cosby Show. Correct and 755 00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.360 also very much worth noting. You know, this is just two years after 756 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.840 Funk became INNA world heavyweight champion. Yes, so he was like the top 757 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.159 dog and wrestling in the country at the time. He forgot that he had 758 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:14.360 just lost the belt I believe in February of seventy seven. Okay, I 759 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.599 believe, And then they started filming in November of seventy seven. Wow. 760 01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.880 So yeah, not a lot of not a lot of time different he was. 761 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.880 He was also, I gotta tell you, this is one of those 762 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:31.320 weird moments for me where I'm watching the movie and I'm like, where's Terry 763 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.239 Funk. Where the fuck is Terry Funk? Oh? Yeah, he looked 764 01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:37.760 way different. That He's not what I like, the Terry Funk that I 765 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.119 grew up as Chainsaw Charlie, you know, that's the Terry Funk that I 766 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.599 know, long hair, goat toe, looking like a fucking nutty old man. 767 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:49.920 So to me, that's how he's always looked, right, No, 768 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.360 not at all. I mean he was back when he actually looked like his 769 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.239 brother, you know. Yeah, really he really did like he does not. 770 01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:00.519 I mean, he was huge, huge, huge. Terry Funk is 771 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:07.559 not a guy that I ever that I ever thought to be a huge bodybuilding 772 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.840 type man, but not a massive Yeah. Well, you know when you 773 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.800 put wrestlers next to normal folk, or at least you know, different cohorts 774 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.000 of people, it's it's amazing. Like, you know, they talk about 775 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:22.840 big guys in the business like if you met a big guy in the business 776 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.199 in person, which I'm sure many of you listen have, it's like they're 777 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.320 freaks of nature. Yeah, I've never seen anything so big. Like their 778 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.639 heads are just freakish, absolutely, Yeah, all of their proportions are just 779 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:40.960 way out of whack. So where was I hear, Oh, you have 780 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.679 to make sure money that those commercials did really well for me. I did 781 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.559 a one. I did one for Lipton's Cup of Soup and picked up forty 782 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.880 five thousand dollars and all I did was take a bite of a sandwich and 783 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:59.760 swallow a soup. They started shooting the commercial, and then they started shooting 784 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:05.880 the commercial, and then they realized that that was lunch. The actual commercial, 785 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.519 the Lipton commercial, Terry. I watched it. It has nothing of 786 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:16.679 you eating in it. I guess they weren't filming. Then the residuals worked 787 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:21.760 out to where I got thirty five dollars every time the commercial aired and was 788 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:27.280 playing on afternoon soap operas. I did a Wendy's commercials and a ton of 789 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.920 other ones. There was one thing that made acting completely different from professional wrestling, 790 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:38.079 the money fucking back. Working with Stallone was the best thing I could 791 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:43.440 have done, because I ended up some doing some stunt work on one of 792 01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.119 this Rambo movies, Rambo three coming soon under the cinemat. I acted with 793 01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.719 him again in nineteen eighty seven's Over the Top and was the stunt coordinator for 794 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:58.039 Rocky five, both coming soon to onto the cinemat. The whole time I 795 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.239 worked with him, Stallone never changed. He treated me even though he was 796 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:06.679 an even bigger star by now than he'd been when we were filming Paradise Alley. 797 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:14.000 Stallone is a good guy to me. And uh funk did a an 798 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.440 RF interview while back where he talked about at the start of his acting career 799 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:25.519 and some other kind of fun uh highlights. Is it thereness got a great 800 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:30.519 script at Disney's looking at now very seriously, that's a fucking guy's obsessed with 801 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:36.880 family. It's just, uh, it's just a wonderful script. Saw my 802 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.599 father and my mom. Basically, it's a story of their lives of boys 803 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:44.320 ranch and him wrestling. There's got a lot of wrestling in it, a 804 01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:47.159 lot of amateur wrestling. It's great, great, great, wonderful script. 805 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:52.840 And hopefully somebody doesn't They don't, they don't. You know, how did 806 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:59.719 you get into the acting typecasting? I guess, yeah, it's a Stallone 807 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:04.159 when I haven't hired me a long time ago and set me for Paradise Alley, 808 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.320 and I thought it was so easy. I could do this easier and 809 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:15.000 quite another time. You know, actually, yeah, but Uh, yeah, 810 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.599 it worked out that way. Whereas I was in you know, as 811 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:23.840 I went, I turn did that and got lucky, got very lucky after 812 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:28.639 that and done several series and just done quite a bit of stuff out there. 813 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:30.840 You know, some of them I'm products. Some swamp thing isn't too 814 01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.880 good. Swamp thing, swamp thing, yeah, I'm not too good. 815 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:40.559 There coming soon too, under the cit and half, Yes, coming soon. 816 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.800 Now, Dusty wants you to know that Terry's a worker and he's working 817 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:50.039 you. Right, He wasn't actually in swamp thing, So according to Dusty, 818 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:57.000 he's a worker. That's right. Oh my god. My favorite thing 819 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.119 in the whole world is when he we talked about it in the r of 820 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.000 War Games when he's doing that RF video shoot interview and whatever. It was 821 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.679 two thousand and one, and you know, he Dusty like was the kind 822 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:10.840 of guy who pretended he didn't hear people talking shit about him, but somehow 823 01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.760 it always came up. You realized he like obsessed over every word that was 824 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.719 written or said about it. Very funk that you know, you're a worker. 825 01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:19.800 I know he's great, but he's working you. He's a worker. 826 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.400 And he said said that he's always working your daddy, he's a worker. 827 01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:29.159 He said it like it's a slur almost to call someone a worker in terms 828 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:35.559 of like not in the ring burn a Shoot interview. M hm, so 829 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:44.159 Terry Funk Wadies and gentlemen. One of the stars of Paradise Alley Now also, 830 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.400 uh, you know a few other wrestlers that I would like to feature 831 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:53.239 here. One another big name or really future big name made an appearance in 832 01:05:53.239 --> 01:06:00.559 the movie The Million Dollar Man Ted dBase excuse me, oh yes, I'll 833 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:05.400 point him out when you see him. Deebs is in the motion picture Daddy 834 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:12.679 and Lee Canalito was very excited to see him when when he saw him on 835 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.400 set, Ted da was actually in that movie. Hey you remember Ted, 836 01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:25.239 well, remember you remember tens. You know when he introduced l I said, 837 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:27.840 I've seen you wrestle? He said, where did you see me? 838 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.599 You know they was joking. I said, on TV he goes out a 839 01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:32.079 boy. That's what I want to hear, you know, a big story, 840 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:38.440 you know on TV man he was he was a character, debas a 841 01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:45.280 character and uh, you know Deebs did mention does mention it briefly in his 842 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.320 book? Uh, he says, here I was hired to make an appearance 843 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:54.960 in the movie Paradise Alley the Star Whistlevester Stallone. The plot involved three Italian 844 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:59.400 brothers living in Hell's Kitchen, New York during the nineteen forties. Each brother 845 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:04.840 used his personality to help the others in their wrestling careers. No, not 846 01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:09.199 even close, Ted, But okay, well, this is a guy who 847 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:13.800 actually forgot the finer points of the nineteen eighty eight double Referee Double Heavener Angles. 848 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:15.280 All right, that's true. He was probably he's high. Remember it's 849 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.320 a good thing about Ted. He's he's high. He's like, he's like 850 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:24.519 a better version of Davy Boy high all the time. But he knows at 851 01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.159 least some things were you. He knows he knows how to put one foot 852 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.760 in front of the other. Uh. Terry Funk was also featured in the 853 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.039 movie as the maniacal Frankie the Thumper. Besides myself, there were over a 854 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:39.960 dozen guys in there, including Dick Murdoch, Bob Rup, Gene Kiniski, 855 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:44.440 Ray Stevens, Dory Funk Junior, and Al Perez to name a few. 856 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.000 I had a partner only one scene in the entire movie, the montage If 857 01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.840 you blinked you would miss me. It's very true. He's not wrong in 858 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:55.320 that it's a true blink in miss moment. Stallone was a nice guy and 859 01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:59.639 treated me very well. Sly, I said, I believe that these professional 860 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.119 so were the best improvisational actors in the business. To be in the movie, 861 01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:08.920 I had to get a Screen Actors Guild card and was paid five hundred 862 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.719 dollars a day, plus room and board. It was the easiest fifteen hundred 863 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.640 dollars I ever made. I also received royalties from the movie. For fifteen 864 01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:19.199 years or so, I received a nominal check in my mailbox. I would 865 01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:25.079 spend the fifteen or twenty dollars on toys for my kids. He goes on 866 01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:29.439 a little further. He did an interview for a movie three hundred and fifty 867 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:32.479 Days or something. It was a documentary about life on the road. Yet 868 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:38.840 so I've found a clip that where he talks about, you know, being 869 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:42.039 on the movie a little bit. And I still remember the one movie that 870 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:47.880 I was in. It was Paradise, ally Sylvester Stallone's first movie after the 871 01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:53.159 original Rocky Hell, and It's song in like Hell's Kitchen, New York and 872 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:57.760 It's Club wrestling type of thing. There were a lot of people making wise 873 01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:01.319 cracks on the set, extras and what have you, and still don't stop 874 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.439 the whole thing. One day and he said, I don't want to hear 875 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:10.119 another wise crack about professional wrestling. He says, we're going to do something 876 01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:15.439 here in three days that would take us six weeks ado with a bunch of 877 01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:19.119 Hollywood stunt in it. He should. These guys are the best improv actors 878 01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:27.119 I've ever seen. Okay, so when when Sylvester Stallone calls you a fucking 879 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.159 actor to your face, it's not a problem. No, no, of 880 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.880 course not. I also love how there is this need for wrestlers to always 881 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:42.520 be legitimized by, you know, people who really and if you're looking at 882 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:48.039 the the food chain of entertainment, are bigger than they and more important than 883 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.720 they. They need to get that, They need that recognition, that that 884 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:56.960 val the validation from. If a wrestler is ever in the same ring as 885 01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:01.000 pardon me, ever in the same room Sylvester Stallone. You know about it 886 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.520 because they mentioned it even fifteen minutes right exactly, sparking a conversation with him. 887 01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:09.640 But you know, fair play at Teddy Bias. I think it's just 888 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.119 hilarious that he writes in his own book and says in that interview professional wrestlers 889 01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:19.600 are the best improvisational actors. And further, I thought that whole anecdote about 890 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:24.520 how how Sly stood up on the set for wrestling was told in confidence to 891 01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:29.680 Jim Cornette from Terry Funk. I guess everyone was witnessed at the same conversation. 892 01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.279 If it even ever fucking exactly right, that's that's the point. Is 893 01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:36.079 it legend or is it is it truth or is there a little bit of 894 01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:40.640 both in there? And is it that al Perez former world class heavyweight champion. 895 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.279 I mean, that's what that's a niety young in the business. There 896 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:48.479 are there are so many people who are in the movie. I mean, 897 01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:53.239 the thing is there's so many There's a montage in the movie where all these 898 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:58.359 guys are featured, where you see Lee Canalito beat everybody, and like, 899 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.760 I couldn't recognize have I recognize DBAs because I know that to look for the 900 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:06.000 biting of the nose, And then I also I saw Ray Stevens. But 901 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:10.119 that's this his Wikipedia says Alperez started rest the Alper, as we know and 902 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.960 have talked about on the Lamentable Tragedy and other things, started in eighty two 903 01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:18.239 in the business. So probably wasn't that Alparez a different Perez? Or maybe 904 01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:21.439 so maybe in Ted's mind, maybe he was high and he thought he saw 905 01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:26.000 al Perez could have been someone look like him. But the other day, 906 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.439 I'm just going about my business in boss Man drops this text bomb on me 907 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.960 that lists about forty wrestlers from the seventies. Do they have books? I'm 908 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:38.279 like, are you doing? Are you doing forty hundred the cinemats right now? 909 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.279 And he's like, no, they're all in Paradise Alley. I was 910 01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:44.640 like, I can't handle the fact that Ray Stevens is in Paradise Alley yet. 911 01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:46.359 Oh yeah, you'll see him. He's great too, He's gonna look 912 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:49.399 he does he does a good bomb. He does, he does, he 913 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:53.560 does the Shawn Michael's inside out in the Corner. Yes, yes, what 914 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:57.520 am I saying? I do remember that? Of course? What am I 915 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.760 thinking of though? That Bob Rupe like, well, what the fuck he's 916 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.399 in the movie. Get Ready, We're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit 917 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:09.000 about him, because uh, you know who else in the movie Donkronodal, 918 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.279 Don car Noodle is in the movie. Now there there's a funny story about 919 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.880 about Carondal that I didn't know about. You do you know? Do you 920 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:23.000 know how much you know about Don Krnodle. Do you know his debut against 921 01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.640 Bob Roup in the Mid Atlantic? Do you know about Do you know the 922 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.439 story? I don't know that story. No, I know he was big 923 01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:33.319 money tag team with Sergeant Slaughter. Right. Well, when I'll summarize, 924 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:39.319 so, at the time of Colonel's entering debut, Roup uh was doing a 925 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:44.119 bit where if you beat him in ten minutes, you won two thousand dollars 926 01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:46.279 or if yeah, if you beat him in ten minutes, you want two 927 01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:51.520 thousand dollars. And and Kronodal had not yet been smartened up to the business 928 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:56.279 when he arrived to the arena. He I forget what he said if he 929 01:12:56.439 --> 01:13:03.800 if he he talked to somebody about getting about getting a chance, and so 930 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:11.479 he was told to come and and and get and bring ring gear and whatever. 931 01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:15.039 And so he had no idea, and he saw he had a signed 932 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:19.000 this fucking waiver that basically said nobody was responsible if he got hurt, like 933 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:24.239 you know, a waiver, making him think that it's real, all right, 934 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:27.239 making him think that it's real. And he even stick him in the 935 01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:32.239 room in the dressing room alone with with with Roupe, and you know, 936 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.840 he goes into the ring. He claims, this is what he says, 937 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:43.600 that he goes into the ring not smartened up and is prepared to actually wrestle 938 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:49.000 Bob Roup and try to beat him, and they nearly go the distance. 939 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:51.920 Bob Roup, I guess, was pretty much just putting on what did he 940 01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:58.079 call his his his sleeper hold. He called it something sugar sugar hole, 941 01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:03.119 the sugar hold, and so he, uh, he would basically, you 942 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:06.840 know, he'd put that on people and it was kind of done and supposedly, 943 01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.479 I mean, Corondal made it seem like they were actually real people who 944 01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:14.399 were going in and doing this, like like fucking fans and stuff. I 945 01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:16.119 don't know, right, you know, but you always hear that with the 946 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:23.920 wrestlers, right. So they nearly go the bit to go the distance. 947 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:30.159 The distance almost lasted ten minutes and Rupe puts on a hold and carondal is 948 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.840 is is scared that he's going to have his neck broken, so he gives 949 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:39.079 up and supposedly again all the jit according to Cronodal, and then after that 950 01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:43.960 he smartened up and in so this all comes from a two thousand and nine 951 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:48.119 interview that that that Crondal did for mid Atlantic the mid Atlantic Gateway, and 952 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:53.920 he shared this, uh, this story. So after he says, I 953 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:58.399 never saw Bob Rupe again until nineteen seventy nine. I was wrestling for Dorry 954 01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.960 and Terry funking Amarilla, and Terry got me in the in in that movie 955 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:05.039 with Sylvester Alone Pardi Sally. I had done my part and I was sitting 956 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:09.199 on the bleachers there in that bar on the set and somebody came and tapped 957 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:13.439 me on the shoulder and I looked up and it was Roupe. Rupe says, 958 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:15.520 you look like that guy I wrestled in a rally that night. I 959 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.880 said, that's me. Rupe said, I want to tell you something. 960 01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:24.399 If you'd lasted ten more seconds, you would have beat me. I was 961 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:26.680 gone, brother, I was out. I mean, I was exhausted. 962 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.680 I couldn't do anything. It was either give up or go to the hospital. 963 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.920 In the match, He's saying, I haven't seen Rupe since. Really, 964 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:40.079 wow, So you know, I don't. I'm just there's too many 965 01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:45.000 wrestlers whose origin story involves them showing up to the building and not having been 966 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.159 smartened up and being put in the ring for an actual match before spectators. 967 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:51.199 Don't. I don't. I just can't believe that they any promoter would take 968 01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:55.920 that risk, you know, I mean, I don't know. It sounds 969 01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.039 like everyone was nuts in the early days. Sure, I mean, you 970 01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:04.359 know, everybody in the stands knew it was fake. How does someone I 971 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.279 mean, but yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just like a thing 972 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:13.439 where you know, you know it's not real, but nobody ever tells you 973 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.039 how to go about making it look real, right, you know, You're 974 01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:18.159 just like, I'm going in the ring. I know this guy isn't going 975 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:21.720 to actually try to hurt me, or is at least right, and maybe 976 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:25.039 you figure it out from there. But I'd love to see, like I'd 977 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:28.039 love to see an example on tape of one of these matches. And I 978 01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.399 kept looking forward to I tried to find the Cornel Roup match. I couldn't 979 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:36.239 find anywhere. It was a TV taping too, he said. At least 980 01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:40.880 Colonel said that it was a TV show. It was TV taping, but 981 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:45.720 I couldn't find it, so yeah, darn Colonel is in the movie. 982 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:55.399 Also in the movie Gene Kinisky and I found his biography by Steven Barrier, 983 01:16:55.439 --> 01:17:00.000 which seems to be a a quality item. Jean Knisky, Canadian wrestling legend, 984 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:04.279 is the name of the book. Kiniski also made a couple appearances in 985 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:09.760 movies, though the most recognizable film in which Jean Kiniski is credited with appearing 986 01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:15.880 is one he never appeared in at all. In nineteen seventy eight, after 987 01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:19.840 achieving fame for writing and starring in Rocky so Thus Just Alone, followed up 988 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:24.039 with Paradise Alley, a film he wrote, directed, and starred in about 989 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.039 three New York brothers who entered the world of professional wrestling. Stallone, who 990 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.800 wrote the screept for Paradise Alley before hitting it big with Rocky, used a 991 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:36.079 collection of professional wrestlers in filming Paradise Alley. Among wrestlers credited with appearing in 992 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.600 the film, where Terry Funk playing a key role as wrestler Frankie the Thumper, 993 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.880 along with Dory Funk, Junior, Teddy Biassi, Don Leo, Jonathan 994 01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.800 Dick Murdoch, Ray Stevens, Bob Roop, then his stamp, Rock Riddle, 995 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:56.800 Redge Parks, Larry Lane, Don Carnodle, and Jean Kiniski. But 996 01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:01.680 while every list of Paradise Alley credits and almost every account of Jean Kiniski's life 997 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:08.359 listing him listening his film appearances seems to confirm that Canada's greatest athlete briefly appeared 998 01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:14.000 in the film, Kelly Kiniski says that did not happen. This is his 999 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:17.680 son. Yes, A Kinisky did appear in Paradise Alley, Kelly says, 1000 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:23.720 but it wasn't Gene. At the time Paradise Alley was filmed, Kelly Kiniski 1001 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:28.520 was attending West Texas State and playing football. There After hearing the salone needed 1002 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:31.279 wrestlers to appear in an upcoming movie, Kelly recalls, I really wanted to 1003 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:36.680 do it. With onerous restrictions on amateur athletes, Kelly says he talked to 1004 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:40.680 his football coaches about the possibility of appearing in the movie. They said, 1005 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:45.239 you can't go. You're an amateur athlete. You can't get paid. Displaying 1006 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:49.399 some of his father's doggedness, Kelly found a solution. I just used my 1007 01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:54.680 dad's name. FU yeah, I gave them my dad's social Security number. 1008 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:59.479 Asked how he got away with passing himself off as Jean Kiniski despite his father's 1009 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.680 reputation and an unmistakable face, Kelly explains, my part was like half a 1010 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:06.760 second. It was so fast you wouldn't even know who it was. Despite 1011 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:11.760 his brief appearance on camera, Kelly says he had to get a nineteen forties 1012 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.359 style haircut to play his part in the film. I looked really strange, 1013 01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.359 he says. To explain his changed appearance to his coaches back at West Texas, 1014 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:20.760 he said, I told him I lost a bet with my dad. 1015 01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.880 He made me get a haircut like this. I didn't know what else to 1016 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:30.680 say. So not Gene Kiniski, but Kelly Kiniski. That's the kind of 1017 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:36.560 thing you'll only find when you peak under the cinematic Damn fucking right. So 1018 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:43.399 moving on. While we do have fictional fighters in the movie, they were 1019 01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:46.199 not the only combative competitors to make their way out of the silver screen. 1020 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.760 As we have mentioned, we have hurt him a few times. We also 1021 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:57.960 have boxer Lee Canalito cast as the third brother, Victor, who is the 1022 01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:01.720 who ends up being the guy who actually wrestles well. The film Rocky Slooster 1023 01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.640 Stallone, an actor, played the role of a boxer. For this film. 1024 01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:10.479 A boxer is being trained to be an actor. He's Lee Kenney, 1025 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:15.399 though, a professional handled by Mohammad Ali's manager, Angelo Dundee. Angelo Dundee 1026 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:17.039 called me and he asked me if I had any experience acting, and I 1027 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.520 told him no, I didn't, And he said that I was be in 1028 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:21.680 a movie. And I said, come on, Angelo, you gotta be 1029 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:25.880 kid. And I said, who's our next opponent, and so he said 1030 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.960 no, he was theirs. And so Sylvester Stallone call me the next day. 1031 01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:30.520 He asked me, how did I feel about being in a movie. 1032 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.880 And I was very shocked when he called. And so our commuter he could 1033 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.920 miss screen test. Then after that we're in the movies. You know. 1034 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:42.079 I saw him on television. I said, there's a slightly gentleman and he 1035 01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:45.600 couldn't play my giant brother. Up until that point, I was panicking because 1036 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:47.720 I thought I was gonna have to play this role. You could see that's 1037 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:55.560 oil and water out there. Yeah. Slone just wants to wants no business 1038 01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.760 getting in the ring. I wonder which one he is oil or water. 1039 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.119 Well, he's Italian, so I'd go with the oil. I'm glad you 1040 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:12.199 said it. Uh Canelito was born in Houston, Texas, on November twenty 1041 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:17.000 fourth, nineteen fifty three. He played football when he was younger because Texas, 1042 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:21.359 and then turned to boxing, where he won the Houston Golden Gloves after 1043 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:27.319 seven amateur fights. Is that football when he was younger because he didn't want 1044 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.840 his father to wonder if he was a homosexual, right, I said, 1045 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:33.279 because Texas, it's that's what you do. Like, yeah, I guess 1046 01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:36.000 that was. That's a shorter way of saying it. You're correct on the 1047 01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:42.239 right. If you're born in Texas, you play football. Doesn't matter your 1048 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.960 your gender, sex, or how you identify. You play Texas. You 1049 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:50.079 play fucking football, or you die right or you know, yeah exactly, 1050 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:55.479 or you die right. So now, so he fought seven. I don't 1051 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:58.960 know how, I don't know. I don't know boxing. The goal, 1052 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.359 I know I've heard the goal gloves. I know Roddy Piper want a pair 1053 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:05.680 of golden gloves or whatever the fuck it is? Is that impressive? No? 1054 01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:12.239 Oh, what is it? It's it's basically like a regional tournament. 1055 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:16.159 It's not it doesn't it doesn't really denote much. It's something to say. 1056 01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:20.920 I mean, it's something to say beyond I boxed professionally and got paid three 1057 01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.600 or four times. You know, you want a tournament is what it means. 1058 01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:28.279 Basically, Okay, But yeah, it's always It's always held up by 1059 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.920 people who end up in a world other than boxing, where people don't really 1060 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:34.880 know boxing as an achievement. You'll always hear, you know, Johnny b 1061 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:39.000 Bad was a Golden Gloves. I remember hearing yeah, and Piper and stuff. 1062 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:43.279 I always I'm sure Baron Corbin and yeah, it's my mom won golden 1063 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:49.520 gloves. You're not. I thought you want a golden globe. She has 1064 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:54.880 a golden glove in the glove compartment, so to Jay. Yeah. Right. 1065 01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:00.399 So Cannelino made it his professional boxing debut you at the age of twenty 1066 01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:06.079 three on January twenty ninth, nineteen seventy seven, and his career, you 1067 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:11.880 know, continued more or less until this happened. And on my fourth fight, 1068 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:15.039 I guess I was finished with it. And so when I got home, 1069 01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:18.199 I guess I was finished. My dad said I had a long distance 1070 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:20.399 phone call, and I said, I don't get too many of those. 1071 01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:25.600 I went in and everything, and they told me it was and Versus said, 1072 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.880 this is fly and this is not. First I thought it was a 1073 01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.159 friend amount playing a joke, but after I got to talking to them, 1074 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:35.199 wazo, I better behave myself here. But anyway, yeah, he told 1075 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:38.960 me he was chanting a movie Paradise. All he's in a script to me, 1076 01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:43.840 he'd like the Universal will fly me out to Los Angeles for screen tests. 1077 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:45.720 And I said, well, man, I was all excited us that 1078 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.000 man serious, He was serious. So I said, wow, anyway, 1079 01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:54.079 we go there to a screen test and that was it. And after two 1080 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:57.600 or three days he called and said, hey, we're going to go with 1081 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:00.399 you and thank yous and and the phone was just so excited. I don't 1082 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.520 know what to do because I never before. You know, it was my 1083 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:10.760 first role, so his first role. So he's just a good old boy, 1084 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:14.840 just a good old Texas boy. Imagine that, you know, like 1085 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:17.479 if you're sliced alone, you have to hope the well, you don't have 1086 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:21.560 to hope the person's home when you call. But it certainly helps these people. 1087 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:26.760 These people all seem to be coming in from gardening and taking the taking 1088 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:29.760 the call. It's like this accidental thing, like can you imagine, like 1089 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.680 you know, nobody calls back in the seventies, like oh, mister God 1090 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:38.399 not home, just gonna find somebody else. Yeah, like the Hogan George 1091 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:43.880 Foreman Grill, Well, the same thing with Hogan and uh and and and 1092 01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:47.399 uh Rocky three, you know, right right, Yeah. I was gonna 1093 01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:49.720 say, you know, it's kind of shitty of Terry Funk in telling the 1094 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.840 story of how Slice Alone got in touch with him that he left out the 1095 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:58.319 part where Bill Aptor told him to really he should really take this phone call 1096 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.399 in this letter. Seriously, I know, I know, Bill, I 1097 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.840 did hear that. You know. The funny thing is, actually the shittier 1098 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:09.039 part is that I don't know why Slice s Alone doesn't talk about how Bill 1099 01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:14.840 After actually wrote the story for Paradise Alley and Stallone adapted to the screenplay format 1100 01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.880 like the original. Yeah. And now that you say that the working title 1101 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:21.920 was After's Alley, was it not? It was it was or it was 1102 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.560 Paradise After, I don't know one of those two. Yeah, emphasis on 1103 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:35.800 working title exactly. But here's a there's another another story of of Canalito's first 1104 01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:39.439 day on set. You know, when you first you know, I was 1105 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:43.399 nervous. I don't know what. The first scenes were done out of there 1106 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.319 in New York, right there while we were by the bay there throwing the 1107 01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:51.279 things in the water and on the waterfront. It looked like kind of on 1108 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:57.800 the Waterfront movie. And that was I think the first thing that we did. 1109 01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.000 And I was shocked. I kept thinking, you know, you shoot 1110 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.760 the first thing you read on the script because I was you know, I 1111 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.640 was very an experience, and I said, how are you gonna play the 1112 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:10.399 last part? But anyway, it was. It was funny. It was 1113 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:14.560 like very good luck in November is freezing out there, but it was just 1114 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.000 great. You know, when you start watching a set, how everyone is 1115 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:21.159 working, getting ready to do a scene of people in the background, and 1116 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.880 it's just so much work making a film, but it's a lot of fun. 1117 01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:28.479 You meet a lot of people and very nice people to talk to you 1118 01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.640 and joke around your different experiences they had how they got into business. So 1119 01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:35.720 when you're doing a film, you almost got to watch out and I get 1120 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:40.680 lost in other characters. You know, people talking to you, right, 1121 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:44.520 Okay, yeah, they said, Okay, we're ready to rehearse before we 1122 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:46.199 shooting. Let's go and say, oh gosh, put it in. I 1123 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:49.520 hope I don't drop a line. You know. It was kind of like 1124 01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:56.119 that at times. I was nervous. So that scene that he's talking about 1125 01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:00.880 is for clarification, it's at the end of the movie. It's near the 1126 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:04.199 very very end, probably in the last third of the movie. So he 1127 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:08.760 was very surprised that when you're shooting a movie, you kind of that you 1128 01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:11.800 don't have to shoot an order, and rarely do you ever shoot an order. 1129 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:16.600 You shoot right, and whatever's the most efficient really for the most part, 1130 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:19.079 is that what you do you or whatever's available. You know, you 1131 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:26.119 kind of you you create your schedule based on on the availability of your talent, 1132 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:31.680 your crew and your and your locations and stuff like that. So, 1133 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.880 right, so if you're shooting you know, Santa Sleigh, yes, you 1134 01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:40.760 don't necessarily shoot James Kahn and friend Rusher on day one. You shoot them 1135 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:44.159 whenever the fuck they're available. Yeah, or if you're like that movie, 1136 01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.880 you shoot him at the very end. Right, that's right that we talked 1137 01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:49.760 about, that's right, you know, you shoot him closely, but it 1138 01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:56.479 basically is you right, you you shoot them because that one scene had all 1139 01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:05.359 the had all the the stars, so to speak, like the name talent 1140 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:09.920 in it. You find a day that they're all available and that's when you 1141 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:13.159 shoot it, and you just fucking do it, you know, and then 1142 01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:16.560 you build around that. So yeah, like you don't it's rare unless it's 1143 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:19.840 by choice. Usually you don't shoot in order. I know, I think 1144 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:25.920 it was was an ET. Maybe it was ET where Spielberg chose to shoot 1145 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:30.960 to shoot in order to keep to let the emotions build on the on the 1146 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:34.119 kids who are in it. Right, So he showed he showed the shoot 1147 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.479 in order, which is again not very common, but it does happen. 1148 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:42.159 It certainly makes continuity easier, It certainly does. It certainly does you can 1149 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:44.359 you know, when you're done with the scene, you can kind of say, 1150 01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:45.199 okay, that one is behind us, we're not coming back to that. 1151 01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:50.159 We don't have to worry about it. Now. That scene that he's 1152 01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:55.239 talking about has also sylvest It's the three brothers. So you have Canalito, 1153 01:28:55.399 --> 01:29:01.640 you have stallone, and then you have armand Assante as the brother And I 1154 01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:09.520 like that name yes. Indeed. Now, Armanda Sante is uh, he's 1155 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:16.880 he's a fascinating individual. But this was early in his film career and he'd 1156 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:20.079 been doing a lot of stage work at at the time. And here's just 1157 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:25.640 a little, a little quick bit on on Armanda Sante and I want to 1158 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:30.880 share with everybody your first film that you and for those of you who are 1159 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:32.680 old enough to remember it was. It was a movie called The Lords of 1160 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:38.680 Flatbush and it starred you know, Henry Winkler, Si Leicester Stalone. And 1161 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:42.560 tell us about your part in that first film. I'm not in the film. 1162 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.520 I was cast as an extra. I'm not even on screening, and 1163 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:49.920 they even spelled my name wrong in the credits. But the point is that, 1164 01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:54.760 oddly enough, I went on many many many years later and I made 1165 01:29:54.800 --> 01:30:00.159 a wonderful film with that director Mary Davidson. So that was I was. 1166 01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:03.479 Actually I was working in the theater. I was doing Tennessee Wounds in the 1167 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:10.000 theater when I made that project. But you know, it was years later, 1168 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:14.560 in seventy seven when I made my first so Jordan to Los Angeles though 1169 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:18.560 that Slone reached out to be based on him remembering and he said they don't 1170 01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.479 have a role for you. And that's where I made my debut was Salone 1171 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:25.640 in seventy seven, and that was Paradise Alley. Yeah, and that was 1172 01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:30.840 Paradise Alley is a story of brothers who were a little little rough around the 1173 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:34.039 edges, and you had that kind of family feels not about wrestling right now. 1174 01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:38.079 One of the roles that I think a lot of people remember in one 1175 01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:42.800 of your initial role is that you were the love interests, the handsome stranger 1176 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:47.520 in Private Benjamin with with Goldie Hawn, which was a huge success and a 1177 01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:51.920 great thing. But I think that kind of exposed you to the wider audience 1178 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:56.279 immediately, and they said, who who is this guy? So tell us 1179 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:59.039 a little bit about Private Benjamin. I'm not in the film. I'm not 1180 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:03.560 even on screening it. I added that, pardon, because I really wanted 1181 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:08.359 I really really hit home runs, isn't he? Huh? This guy's really 1182 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:13.119 hitting home runs. It sounds like I really wanted and I really wanted Armanda 1183 01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.359 Sant to say no, I actually wasn't in that one. He really wanted 1184 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:18.760 him to say that. So I decided, you know what, I'm gonna 1185 01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:21.760 make it happen anyway, I'm not. I mean, I'm more teasing this 1186 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:25.560 out. This might not be ready yet, this might not be fully baked, 1187 01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:30.680 but I'm almost prepared to say, ladies and gentlemen, Armanda Sante, 1188 01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:36.960 you might actually you know, he can because this is so I bring so, 1189 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:42.399 I bring him up and I focus on him a little bit here because 1190 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:47.680 well, talking about Lee Cantalina because uh, you know, you know it 1191 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:54.199 says he as he said, Armanda Sante was a was a stage actor and 1192 01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:58.640 very intense, and he's very good in this. I'm not a huge Armanda 1193 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:05.079 Sante fan. He's kind of just he's a guy. Yeah, oh yeah, 1194 01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:08.600 yeah, he'd be in that movie, wouldn't he. Yeah yeah, 1195 01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:12.239 you know he's he's always in like made to TV, made you direct to 1196 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.439 video shit. And well, dude, I'm Google image searching, and he 1197 01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:17.520 was ready. He's ready to play Triple H as soon as the script is 1198 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.840 ready, with this blonde haircut. Why don't he do that for Gody? 1199 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:25.720 Oh my god? Probably yeah, probably forgot It seems to be coincident with 1200 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:30.479 some of God he headlines, this guy looks exactly like Triple H after like 1201 01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:35.640 plastic surgery. Yeah, but you know he's Armando Sante is like a guy 1202 01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:43.880 who would be in all the made for TV mafia movies, like never a 1203 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:47.319 good one. He's just being all the crappy ones, right. But at 1204 01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:53.399 the time he was a Broadway actor, very intense and we got a little 1205 01:32:53.640 --> 01:33:00.560 we got a little story here from from from Lee Cantelino. Uh about kind 1206 01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:06.800 of how focused and intense an actor. Armanda Sante. You know you take 1207 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:11.560 care of your punk plan the part Frankie the Thumper. I mean, wow, 1208 01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:15.640 they had had they had a whole lot of restaurants that was on the 1209 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:18.880 set. Yeah, different actions, but how many. I got to thank 1210 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.840 him. I got to look in and watch this. I watched it a 1211 01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:26.680 few times and watch this character and now, I mean, by what a 1212 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:32.880 performance he put on for just just mean crazy character. Now that's the wrong 1213 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:34.560 one. Hold on a second here, Yeah, I was gonna say that 1214 01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:40.359 sounds familiar. Yeah, that's what did I do? Here? Hold on, 1215 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:42.920 I gotta find it. Give me a second here. Yeah, we'll 1216 01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.199 do it. We'll get it. We'll get it done, Armanda Sante. 1217 01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:48.680 Ladies and gentlemen, I have to say this is this is a revelation. 1218 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:53.760 We spend some time here. Okay, this guy, what the f there? 1219 01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:55.079 You go? Here, you go, Oh, it's fine, that's 1220 01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:59.479 way that's screwed up. Here if I can play it through, can you 1221 01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:39.319 hear that? Yep? Wants to do lines. Yeah, who is this 1222 01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:47.399 talking again? It's Lee Cannelito of course, right, so yeah, so 1223 01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:53.680 I'm on the Sante calls up Lee Cannelito. At one in the morning. 1224 01:34:55.640 --> 01:34:59.680 We run I got a big scene in mark. We run some lines like 1225 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.000 Jesus christ Man, I can't deal with this guy. This guy, this 1226 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:06.119 guy might be everything you know what I mean? He might have it all 1227 01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:10.960 on a mom the Sunday. Yeah, including in the name for the fucking 1228 01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:15.079 ages. Good luck, get we find this fucking yeah. You know he's 1229 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:20.640 Oh god, he's a guy that you know. It just it just never 1230 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.560 really happened for him, is it? His face? Is that it's everything, 1231 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:30.880 like everything about him never really happened for him. Oh shut up, 1232 01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:46.920 no, don't go this is this is a Garden State Film Festival. Uh, 1233 01:35:47.399 --> 01:36:18.520 he's a movie that he was promoting. Oh, I would agree with 1234 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:42.159 that. Excuse me, what does it mean to not be I'm not It's 1235 01:36:42.199 --> 01:36:45.600 not something I'm not familiar with. So where does that leave us? Are 1236 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:54.239 you familiar with it or not? Armanda Sante? I mean, look, 1237 01:36:55.119 --> 01:37:00.560 I I hesitated to make this point on this subject because you know what he's 1238 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.840 talking about as a serious, serious matter. But why do actors always have 1239 01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:08.640 to talk about why now is the right time for this movie because they're in 1240 01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:13.640 it? Can't we just have a timeless story that doesn't have to tell itself 1241 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:19.039 to the newspapers. Tis because I'm in it, And yeah, a lot 1242 01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:23.199 of we're holding a mirror up to whatever. Yeah, fuck off, dude, 1243 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:29.680 Seriously, he talks about sly here, Oh he touches a woman like 1244 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:47.119 oh, he's like trying to sniff or snatch or sounds like you during the 1245 01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:54.000 Omega Moxley match. Let me tell you, let me tell you this red 1246 01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:56.359 carpet. It is not a I mean, no one fucking there's no one 1247 01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:59.439 either, Like she pulled him aside to do this, Like this was not 1248 01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.520 a you know, we're walking, we're seeing people. This is like this 1249 01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:06.439 is like a I don't know, a pink carpet or something. I can't 1250 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:15.840 It's a Creed movie, by the way, not a Rocky movie. It's 1251 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:53.479 when he filmed one of the Creed Movies. No, no, you know 1252 01:38:53.560 --> 01:39:14.239 it's the capacity of Madison Square Garden. Oh fuck off, bullshit, I 1253 01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:16.359 will say, I will say in this movie, he's he's way better than 1254 01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:21.439 Stallone? Is he really? Oh he's fucking awesome. He's like he acts. 1255 01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:28.079 Stallone is such a fucking goof in this movie. He's so annoying. 1256 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:34.119 Shut the fuck up. Like armand Assante gives a very like, subtle and 1257 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:40.000 good performance like and you can tell the one thing I'll say, you can 1258 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:47.079 tell that he is trying to translate his abilities into film acting. It's very 1259 01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:51.199 different. You know. Wow, here's one more that settles it. If 1260 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:55.159 he if he outshines sly on the on the on the screen in this film, 1261 01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:59.760 Ladies and gentlemen, armand Assante. There it is. Uh, here 1262 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:01.399 another one. Let's see here. This is him. Oh my god, 1263 01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:08.039 he looks like he's passed out. So it is mean again. Oh annoying. 1264 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:12.239 Where is the time stamp? I want you to know this guy played 1265 01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:19.000 Nietzsche, Yes he did. This is from Kiss My Ash Radio. It's 1266 01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:23.079 Cigar TV. I mean, I can't make this ship up. This is 1267 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:31.000 ridiculous. Then here we go. I need to see what this where they 1268 01:40:31.079 --> 01:41:00.920 started. Mm hmm, that's a no. Yeah that that's like, no, 1269 01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:11.800 I don't r mind. You don't have to pick up the phone to 1270 01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:50.399 send an email. This guy's fucking money. Oh takes a no do so 1271 01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:58.359 still a fum a FuMB. It's like he's trying to be Marlon Brando, 1272 01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:02.840 right exactly. He's like he almost like it almost seems like he taught himself 1273 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:05.920 to talk that way, right right, because he doesn't tell me that in 1274 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:10.800 the movie. It certainly doesn't. Maybe he hadn't. Maybe he had an 1275 01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:15.680 accident or something truly amazing. So there we go. We got fucking armand 1276 01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:25.640 a sumter and U Cannelito back to Cannilito because we're talking about him. He 1277 01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:30.159 uh. He says he gained a lot of respect for the wrestlers in the 1278 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:38.319 film and the pro wrestling as a whole. All the guys, the wrestlers, 1279 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:41.880 they were very very professional when he came to there. They take it 1280 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:45.159 very serious. You know, people don't realize it like you do a scene. 1281 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.039 We would do a scene and want to commentary, Look this year, 1282 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.319 this whole here, we need to show this whole. This is a real, 1283 01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:55.520 true, basic hole that would have happened in that era, and I 1284 01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:58.319 surprise you would that, you h but it's his series, you know, 1285 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:03.520 but you know, the choreographed it to where you know, the scenes how 1286 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:10.520 an inexperienced restaurant like Victor Carboni would have been. He was just rough and 1287 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:13.479 tough. He just went through whatever he could, you know, to get 1288 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:20.640 through the match. But on Terry's characters gas so they had a choreograph more 1289 01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:28.920 professional looking holes or different scenes for him. Yeah. So again this boxer 1290 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:33.359 gained a lot of appreciation for the business, which is really cool to see 1291 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:41.680 now. He uh, he actually was a Cannelito was a pretty good boxer. 1292 01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:45.000 He never was full time. It wasn't a full time fighter, but 1293 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:50.079 he went undefeated for his whole career. And I guess was ranked at one 1294 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:55.920 point in the eighties as number nine in the world at one point, and 1295 01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.760 there was talk that if he had been full time, but he could have 1296 01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:06.479 been a contender for the title. Uh and even and during a portion of 1297 01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:10.800 his career in the eighties, guess who was Guess who was his manager? 1298 01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:16.520 His actual manager. His actual manager was Fred Blassie. That's all right, 1299 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:19.319 let's go home. That is thank you everybody under the cinema, We'll see 1300 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:24.880 you next week of the movie. No, so let's just Stallone. Stallone 1301 01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:28.720 was his actual boxing manager, hilarious one point in the eighties. Yeah, 1302 01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:35.239 I gotta say I really appreciate Stallone's loyalty to people. Absolutely, that's a 1303 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:41.359 shoot. He really does find people and stick with them and use them again 1304 01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:45.520 and again and again. Even I'm Ondo Santing. I'm glad. I'm glad 1305 01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:49.399 he does. Because this guy is a revelation. I know you hate it. 1306 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:51.399 I know you hate him, but I think I like this guy. 1307 01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:55.159 We'll see some more of him. Armando Santa. I'm sure. I'm sure 1308 01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:58.960 he's I'm sure his time is far from over here. What a name? 1309 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:04.920 I know. Serious. Now, this all leads us to one more supporting 1310 01:45:05.079 --> 01:45:13.079 character in the movie, Tom Waits. What the Tom Waits are you? 1311 01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:16.119 Yes? So you're familiar with Tom Waits? Yes, Yeah, very renowned 1312 01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:20.039 singer songwriter, especially at the time he was kind of coming into his own 1313 01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:27.920 in the in the mid to late seventies. Although Lee Cannelino really supporting us 1314 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.960 here this Week under the Cinemat had no idea who he was at the time. 1315 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:35.479 I didn't know what a big star he was in the music industry. 1316 01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:43.439 I'm twenty three years old. I had just turned twenty three years old on 1317 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:45.960 the day, you know, shooting, because my birthday is November twenty four. 1318 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:51.960 When they introduced us, he was just very quiet, but with that 1319 01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:58.159 the character that he was a paradise found the way talking about you to come 1320 01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:00.439 over here ly and we'll show you a few things. When he's doing that, 1321 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:03.680 you know, he's smoking his cigarette. I mean, it was like 1322 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:09.640 I didn't know, you know, is that your character? Is that you? 1323 01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:15.159 And to me, you know, I wasn't a real knowledgeable about his 1324 01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:18.159 career, you know, because I'm now I was born and raised here in 1325 01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:21.760 US some Texas, and I had asked me, you know, you know, 1326 01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:25.439 what do you think of the film as a film? On Hey, 1327 01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:31.319 just like any other thing, you know, it's moving. Was like anything 1328 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:36.479 else, it's moving. Devotees of the podcast will recall that when we first 1329 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:43.439 launched Christmas in the Territories and did the very first A wa installment of said 1330 01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:49.119 series, I accepted Tom Waits's Christmas card from a hooker in Minneapolis. That's 1331 01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:54.840 amazing. I don't recall that, but I'm I'm amazed how familiar are you 1332 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:58.399 with mister Waits. That's about the extent of it. Great, because we're 1333 01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:02.399 gonna have some fun here. This is so, this is from you Walk 1334 01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:09.880 in the Garden. Remember that this is from the Santa Barbara News and Review. 1335 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:14.840 Tom Waits will make what is actually becoming his annual appearance in Santa Barbara 1336 01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:18.359 at the Arlington Theater on Tuesday, December twelfth. Now on tour to promote 1337 01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:25.000 his sixth album, Blue Valentines, Waits has made Seti progress professionally since his 1338 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:30.159 earliest appearances in town at the Bluebird Cafe at twenty eight. He remembers very 1339 01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:33.159 clearly his own painful start in the business, coming up from San Diego on 1340 01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:38.720 the Greyhound, working as a doorman in clubs, living out his old fifty 1341 01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:42.520 five Cadillac he recently sold it in favor of his dream car, a sixty 1342 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:46.640 four Tea Bird, before being signed by Herb Cohen after an appearance at Hollywood's 1343 01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:54.720 Troupadour Club, and then finally signing with Asylum Electra in nineteen seventy two. 1344 01:47:56.000 --> 01:48:01.199 That Waits has arrived as an established performer and songwriter is evidenced by his work 1345 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:08.560 in Sylvester Stallone's new movie Paradise. Allly, I was really proud that Stallone 1346 01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:12.680 called me here at home, Waits told me recently, originally I should do 1347 01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:17.359 it. I was really proud that Stallone called me here at home Waits that 1348 01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:23.479 told me recently. Originally he was just going to have me write a song. 1349 01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:29.000 We ended up creating a part from me, a part character called Mumbles. 1350 01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:32.039 I can't do Tom Waits very well, so I'll keep on trying, 1351 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:38.239 though. I Well, it's gonna you're gonna hear I do know. So, 1352 01:48:40.199 --> 01:48:42.880 Yeah, he plays a piano player. He's hardly in the fucking movie. 1353 01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:45.159 But apparently he wrote a couple of songs that were featured in the movie. 1354 01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:53.640 And uh, and again he plays this this drunk piano player. And 1355 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:58.079 I was looking. I wanted to kind of because I read some stuff that 1356 01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:00.039 I want to talk about a little bit more. But I wanted to get 1357 01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:05.840 a broader sense of Tom Waits as an individual, because he is a fascinating 1358 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:10.520 character. And after hearing what I'm going to play in a little bit, 1359 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:16.319 I think you'll agree. The following text that I'm going to read is from 1360 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:24.479 the New York Times. There's a schizophren equality to Tom Waits, but defines 1361 01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:30.119 both his artistry and his obscurity. It may sound strange to describe as obscure 1362 01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:34.920 someone who is so critically acclaimed and can sell out three shows at the fourteen 1363 01:49:35.079 --> 01:49:41.680 hundred seed Beverly Theater. Yet Waits is an artist, much like Randy Newman 1364 01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:45.279 before short People, whose talent deserves far more than the cult following it now 1365 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:50.079 attracts. A problem is that Waits, an immensely gifted writer and wonderfully original 1366 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:56.680 singer, seems as interested in being a character as writing about one. Yes, 1367 01:49:57.159 --> 01:50:02.000 this fascination with role may be limiting his range on stage. Anyone seeing 1368 01:50:02.039 --> 01:50:05.720 him for the first time Saturday Night at the Beverly would probably have been so 1369 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:13.319 absorbed in waights offbeat persona that it would take a while to even begin focusing 1370 01:50:13.399 --> 01:50:17.359 on what he was saying in his richly detailed songs. Wearing a suit so 1371 01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:21.359 rumpled that it would require two passes through the cleaners to get it back in 1372 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:28.039 shape, Waits attacked songs with the punk fury of Johnny Rotten, stomping the 1373 01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:32.479 stage and waving his arms in the air like a supercharged Elmer gantry. He 1374 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:36.920 also machine gunned the words in a voice so gravelly that he must make his 1375 01:50:38.039 --> 01:50:43.640 oatmeal out of cement mix weights added to the color by twisting his body into 1376 01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:49.039 odd orangutang like positions and prowling the stage, sometimes flapping his arms like a 1377 01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:55.600 giant crow. Between songs. He kept the audience amused with rious sides and 1378 01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:00.399 plenty of tall tales about the people and his songs, including a pal whose 1379 01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:04.159 New Year's Eve fall from a twelve story window was broken by the confetti in 1380 01:51:04.239 --> 01:51:09.640 his hair. This exaggeration and part of Waits a game plan and charm. 1381 01:51:10.439 --> 01:51:14.279 By introducing us to larger than my figures, he can also treat his primary 1382 01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:19.319 themes losers with big dreams and dreamers with unlikely victories, on a large, 1383 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:28.439 ambitious scale. Do you want to you want to hear the Tom Waits persona 1384 01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:30.159 that they're referring to. I think I do, all right? This is 1385 01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:35.359 the falling clip is from the Don Lane Show out of Australia nineteen seventy nine. 1386 01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:41.720 Now we come to the good pay your acting career. Ah, you 1387 01:51:41.720 --> 01:51:47.119 remember that your acting career? I'm moving to. Yes, we have a 1388 01:51:47.159 --> 01:51:55.479 clip here with Sylvester Stallone. You know sylvest know sylvest Stallone's not a normal 1389 01:51:55.600 --> 01:52:02.279 die sylvestus alone. Uh. Did this movie called Paradise Ellie in which you 1390 01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:06.720 had a part? Yes? Did you enjoy that doing that movie? Yes? 1391 01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:14.079 I was like about five weeks of work for about three lines of dialogue, 1392 01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:19.840 and it was interesting to see the bowels of the of the film industry. 1393 01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:27.000 Certainly glad you finished the sentence. YEA that I it was, uh, 1394 01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:30.399 totally new challenge for me. Do you let me ask you something? 1395 01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:33.319 Do you worry about achievement? Does it worry you or do you just do 1396 01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:39.159 your own worry about it or not? Oh? Yes? Oh? Uh 1397 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:45.600 don't worry about achievement? Yeah, exactly. No, I worry about a 1398 01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:47.880 lot of things, but I don't worry about achievement. No, well, 1399 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:57.279 I'll scratch achievement or than I worry primarily about whether there are nightclubs in heaven. 1400 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:06.800 I worry primarily about these types of questions, this fucking ridiculous situation my 1401 01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:13.439 agent got me into. I worry primarily about where I'm going to be tonight. 1402 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:17.279 You know, with a guy like Tom Waits, it's always hard for 1403 01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:23.960 me to accept that he's actually that weird, and there wasn't some point along 1404 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:27.840 the line where he decided to become that weird. I am so glad you 1405 01:53:27.960 --> 01:53:30.119 said that, but hold on, I'm not there. Okay, okay, 1406 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:34.119 fair enough. It is rumored if you hadn't noticed, if you hadn't guessed 1407 01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:44.880 that Heath Ledger used this interview and kind of early Tom Waits TV clips as 1408 01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:50.479 inspiration for his version of the Joker in the Dark Night coming soon to Under 1409 01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:56.600 the Cinemat. And then we also have this brief interview I wanted to play 1410 01:53:56.840 --> 01:54:01.000 from this is with Flow and Eddie and it was for the Canadian TV show 1411 01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:09.399 ninety Minutes Live and four progressives from watching Inmate. Actually, hey, you're 1412 01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:13.239 doing uh film score right? For not a score? Bore? A couple 1413 01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:16.239 of songs, A couple of songs for parano salities. All yeah, what 1414 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:21.960 is that exactly? The story about three Italian brothers in the Hell's Kitchen in 1415 01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:27.319 New York and late forties scien for a beautiful story. It's kind of a 1416 01:54:27.640 --> 01:54:31.800 uh stallone's uh of a fantasy about what could have happened. I mean and 1417 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:35.640 uh, It's about three brothers who was struggling to get out of the Hell's 1418 01:54:35.720 --> 01:54:41.159 kitchen and I moved to Miami. What's I play a drunk piano player? 1419 01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:45.600 How did they ever figure that one out? Nothing to it? Do you 1420 01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:48.319 write in a couple of songs that actually gonna act in the film? Yeah, 1421 01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:53.840 as I was, I walking on eggshells, I'm already done. Oh 1422 01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:58.079 it's in the cannon or the world for me. But I think they've been 1423 01:54:58.079 --> 01:55:01.640 all right. They could see in films. Yeah, yeah, can you 1424 01:55:01.720 --> 01:55:05.159 see yourself going into that sort of direction? Is it alright? I don't 1425 01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:08.560 know how, my bleeding man, I don't know. I mean, I 1426 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:12.800 don't know. I can see that is a little Richard Dreyfuss in there behind 1427 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:15.319 the tide over there, And I don't really know if I'm what the woman 1428 01:55:15.399 --> 01:55:21.279 of today wants and me m that is the question, isn't it? Is 1429 01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:28.600 he what the woman of today wants and needs? Here, let's just listen 1430 01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:31.960 to a little bit of of Tom Waite's music here. This is a song 1431 01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:46.039 called Eggs and Sausage. Okay, that's enough. I know, I know 1432 01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:51.800 what makes you cool to like him, But I pray not not tonight, 1433 01:55:51.920 --> 01:56:01.119 not tonight. A lot of I'm just scar and talk about things that make 1434 01:56:01.279 --> 01:56:06.720 my boner happen. Yeah, that see, Now you have my attention, 1435 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:18.840 Tom, Tom, I just Tom wait, what please, I'm waiting. 1436 01:56:19.880 --> 01:56:26.279 I'm just gonna sit here and well I'm trying to find something that I can 1437 01:56:26.359 --> 01:56:30.960 do that'll cause me to bend over and put my hand between my legs. 1438 01:56:32.359 --> 01:56:38.960 Is that Jim Hurd. There's a little bit of hurd in there. And 1439 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:44.880 so you mentioned something before, and you know, we we think we are 1440 01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:46.760 seeing Tom Waits here. But according to many folks, you know, you 1441 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:51.279 hit it right on the nose, sir, that this is a performance, 1442 01:56:51.560 --> 01:57:01.760 a character, a fiction. According to music writer Tom Waits unofficial biographer Barry 1443 01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:09.159 Hoskins, the Tom Waits we see is a persona. The real Tom Waits 1444 01:57:09.319 --> 01:57:16.199 hides behind. Tom Waits portrays this hobotype and disheveled individual that is, according 1445 01:57:16.279 --> 01:57:29.680 to Hoskins, an ongoing experiment in performance art. Forgive me it's it's it's 1446 01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:34.600 fucking ridiculous as well. Yes, exactly. Waits his friends with film director 1447 01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:42.399 Jim Jarmish, which doesn't surprise me one fucking bit. What about Jim Jarmish 1448 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:49.680 structural Oh oh my god, he he is so beyond structure. I mean 1449 01:57:50.119 --> 01:57:56.199 like just so beyond. He's such a you know, I hear this a 1450 01:57:56.279 --> 01:58:00.319 lot. You either like Jim Jarmish movies or you don't. I think I 1451 01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:02.479 know which of the two. There is no in between. I actually I 1452 01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:05.880 do like them. I think that they're kind of fun. I enjoyed he 1453 01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:10.079 made one about zombies. I haven't seen too many, but I like the 1454 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:14.279 zombies one, so that was fun. But yeah, you either like Jim 1455 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:16.279 Jarmish or you don't. He certainly got the hair, Yeah he does. 1456 01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:23.840 Jarmish has said that Waits is potentially violent if you're fucking with him, but 1457 01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:30.920 that also contradicts with him being also nice and kind and gentle. He's a 1458 01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:38.239 contradictory individual, and Waits supposedly had a very middle class upbringing and then created 1459 01:58:38.279 --> 01:58:45.319 this outsider gimmick that eventually overtook him, so to speak. When this is 1460 01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:54.560 funny. When Hoskins Berry Hoskins again, British music writer was writing his unofficial 1461 01:58:54.640 --> 01:59:00.439 biography of Tom Waits, Tom Waits literally told people to not talk to him, 1462 01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:06.479 Do not talk to Barry him. Hey it's Tom, and you're not 1463 01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:11.800 talking to Barry Hoskin about me. I'm not going to do that I don't 1464 01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:15.439 want him to know shit, and I guess he I think it's his current 1465 01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:21.039 wife who was who's kind of made him be very secluded and not approachable. 1466 01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:27.119 But Hoskins, I guess Keith Richards is a friend of Tom Waits, and 1467 01:59:27.199 --> 01:59:31.600 Hoskins reached out to Richards, and Richards was he Hoskins knew him. They 1468 01:59:31.640 --> 01:59:36.199 didn't. He'd interviewed him before for some other stuff, and Richards was going 1469 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:41.279 to talk It was going to he was going to to answer questions and talk 1470 01:59:41.319 --> 01:59:45.039 about Tom Waits. But let's let's see here, well, well, let 1471 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:48.600 Barry Hoskins sell the story. The Keiths was one of the first people that 1472 01:59:48.720 --> 01:59:53.479 I had interviewed Keith a couple of times, and you know, he initially 1473 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:56.279 the word came back that he'd be happy to talk about weights. And then 1474 01:59:56.680 --> 02:00:00.359 I think, obviously, see everyone's terrified Waits, even Keith Richards is what 1475 02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:08.880 I love. Even Kate has to sort of basically get Tom's profession. So 1476 02:00:09.000 --> 02:00:11.560 where it comes like, I'm really sorry, I'd love to talk to you 1477 02:00:11.600 --> 02:00:14.840 about Tom, and you know, he just did the sort of perversity of 1478 02:00:14.920 --> 02:00:20.119 it to stop the greatest sort of rock and roll rhythm guitar player in the 1479 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:26.680 history of music from from saying how great you are? But that's Wights, 1480 02:00:28.279 --> 02:00:33.239 that's Weights. Well, what's Weights again? That he that that that he 1481 02:00:33.520 --> 02:00:39.119 has the ability to tell, like you have the greatest you know, like 1482 02:00:39.199 --> 02:00:42.560 you said, the greatest rhythm guitar player of all time, you know in 1483 02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:45.880 any rock band. Keith Richards who is being asked, who say nice things 1484 02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:50.960 about you? And Weights has got these people tight around his fucking fingers so 1485 02:00:51.079 --> 02:00:56.279 much that he can tell he can command them to not do it. Wow, 1486 02:00:57.159 --> 02:01:03.279 that's Tom Waits, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, he something someone's getting 1487 02:01:03.319 --> 02:01:09.039 worked on the whole Tom Waits. And I don't think it's uh, I 1488 02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:12.439 think it might be Tom Waits. I think it might be fans. I 1489 02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:15.840 think it's Tom Waits is working himself. Yeah, maybe it doesn't know the 1490 02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:18.159 difference. At this point, he's like Vince McMahon. You know that no 1491 02:01:18.239 --> 02:01:20.760 one knows the real Tom Waits. He only exists between the time he gets 1492 02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:28.600 up in the time he looks in the mirror exactly. Well, this finally 1493 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:33.279 brings us to the mastermind. Why we were, why we are here? 1494 02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:40.479 As I said we earlier, we did visit Stallone during his rocky days, 1495 02:01:41.800 --> 02:01:45.840 but they weren't nearly as rocky as they were between nineteen seventy six and nineteen 1496 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:53.560 seventy eight. By the time Paradise Alley was rolling around, Stallone had been 1497 02:01:53.640 --> 02:02:00.359 labeled with the reputation of being an actor who likes to direct himself. That's 1498 02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:05.520 never a good thing. He had become a sort of one man Hollywood war 1499 02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:11.279 machine of sorts with it seems like he had a massive chip on his shoulders 1500 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:15.039 as he was trying to do basically as much as he could faster than anybody 1501 02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:24.880 else, and everybody else he would brag about being able to finish things faster 1502 02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:30.520 than people, and like finish scripts faster. He published the fucking Paradise Alley 1503 02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:38.039 novel without any experience as a novelist. In essence, he was believing his 1504 02:02:38.159 --> 02:02:44.079 own hype and maybe getting a little paranoid. This was from a This is 1505 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:49.840 from a Newsweek article. When you start getting successful in this town, says 1506 02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:56.439 one agent, people start rooting for your failure. First alone, the process 1507 02:02:56.520 --> 02:03:00.319 has already begun. He hears whispers of admit at the demands he makes, 1508 02:03:00.600 --> 02:03:05.039 and it's no wonder he brags about how fast he writes. He says he 1509 02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:12.720 wrote Rocky sequel in twenty nine hours. A few weeks look at point one 1510 02:03:12.760 --> 02:03:16.239 hour is fuck you. He fired Kubeck, the agent who made the Rocky 1511 02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:20.920 deal. He bocks at working with taller actors. He's five feet ten inches. 1512 02:03:21.319 --> 02:03:27.640 He made a contractual demand that a Porsche Turbo Carrera he wrote into Bodyguard 1513 02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:33.000 become his property at the end of the picture. He's super competitive, snipes 1514 02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:36.760 one of his colleagues. If Brando's getting three million, it won't be along 1515 02:03:36.840 --> 02:03:44.640 before Sly will be asking three million and ten cents more charitably. Talia Schier, 1516 02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:49.520 who was Adrian in the Rocky movie. He says he's got to define 1517 02:03:49.640 --> 02:03:55.840 himself. He's still an innocent ex agent. Kubeck says, what people don't 1518 02:03:55.920 --> 02:04:03.560 realize is that he was always Eric. Success hasn't changed him. He listens 1519 02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:10.479 to nobody. He's self contained. He will make it or fail on his 1520 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:16.520 own abilities. Observers now wonder whether the very best directors will want to work 1521 02:04:17.000 --> 02:04:24.399 with an actor who justifiably feels he has the talent to dominate every story. 1522 02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:29.640 Shier feels that Stallone needs good teaching. Directors now to prove that his range 1523 02:04:29.720 --> 02:04:34.199 is not limited to proletarian losers. Nobody knows what he can do yet, 1524 02:04:34.319 --> 02:04:39.720 she says, unless he trusts a director he will resort to has proven Rocky 1525 02:04:39.960 --> 02:04:44.640 tricks. But if Stallone has his way, he'll be directing himself most of 1526 02:04:44.720 --> 02:04:48.439 the time. To judge from his philosophies, most of them formed retrospectively by 1527 02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:55.039 the success of Rocky, his future movies will be as commercial as possible. 1528 02:04:56.319 --> 02:05:00.920 N't the commercial hospical hand in hand, he says, Pcosto found mine, 1529 02:05:00.960 --> 02:05:03.640 Alice, Why Pacasto add a two hundred million dollars state where his other painters 1530 02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:08.239 are just as good, and they bury them in a gunny sackond in a 1531 02:05:08.279 --> 02:05:15.000 potter's field. They will also be resolutely uplifting salone as sure that the public 1532 02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:19.479 wants what he has to offer, a feeling for the little guy and an 1533 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:24.600 eye for happy endings. It's very simple, right, a downer, he 1534 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:29.800 saus, he just say the guy falls into the subways path and he's grounding 1535 02:05:29.840 --> 02:05:33.840 the chicken fat. But say he falls onto the track in a less second, 1536 02:05:34.199 --> 02:05:39.119 leaves beneath the train, or somehow slips between the rails and falls thirty 1537 02:05:39.159 --> 02:05:42.880 feet and lends on top of a bus, roll over and into the convertible 1538 02:05:42.880 --> 02:05:45.279 of a beautiful blonde and drives off. That's tough for right, and to 1539 02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:49.760 me it's enjoyable. But I'll never do another Rocky. It said once in 1540 02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:54.119 a lifetime trip. I can't think I'm on the top it with the next 1541 02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:56.960 one, with my next one, or I'll be a fool. I may 1542 02:05:57.039 --> 02:06:00.079 come close, but Rocky went the distance. Thank god I was around to 1543 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:03.199 see. Well, you know what you're gonna do seven? You're gonna Rocky 1544 02:06:03.279 --> 02:06:06.399 seven more times? How does that sound? That's right? All right? 1545 02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:13.439 Yeah, fucking idiot. You know, we decide what you've done. That 1546 02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:15.960 that lives on. You don't decide yes, And you know what, honestly, 1547 02:06:16.520 --> 02:06:19.960 U, it's not simple to write a downer. It's hard to write 1548 02:06:19.960 --> 02:06:25.239 a downer because nobody expects a downer. You had, dumb ass, Yeah, 1549 02:06:26.319 --> 02:06:31.640 anyway, He's so. As I mentioned before, his immediate follow up 1550 02:06:31.680 --> 02:06:39.039 to Rocky was the movie Fist, and from what I read, Stallone made 1551 02:06:39.079 --> 02:06:43.800 some rewrites the script and had some pretty major clashes with the script with the 1552 02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:49.880 director Norm Jewison, who actually didn't necessarily want to cast Stallone. I read 1553 02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:56.359 an interview in the Telegraph Herald out of Iowa, Jewison had this to say 1554 02:06:56.399 --> 02:07:00.960 about his experience working with Stallone. My recollection is that I had to use 1555 02:07:00.039 --> 02:07:04.159 Sylvester Stallone in the picture simply because he had made Rocky and had become an 1556 02:07:04.199 --> 02:07:10.199 instant success. He was considered a big box office star and draw by United 1557 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:14.880 artists, so they pushed very hard for him to do this film. It 1558 02:07:15.039 --> 02:07:17.680 was difficult at the beginning working with Sylvester because he was coming off a very 1559 02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:21.920 big success. I had to convince him that he wasn't playing Rocky anymore. 1560 02:07:24.199 --> 02:07:27.960 I think Stallone was against his character's demise in the film because I think he 1561 02:07:28.079 --> 02:07:30.680 was thinking again of Rocky. He wanted to end the film a winner in 1562 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:34.760 some way. But that's not what happened. Joe Asterias and I had done 1563 02:07:34.800 --> 02:07:40.000 so much research into Jimmy Hoff's life, into the Teamsters. I was intent 1564 02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:44.439 on ending the picture the way I did. As I remembered, Sly was 1565 02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:47.880 a little peaked and upset that I decided to end it that way. So 1566 02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:54.279 again, Sly, Sly, not so Sly. No. No. When 1567 02:07:54.319 --> 02:08:01.800 it comes to his you know, throwing his weight around, well that's Okay, 1568 02:08:01.399 --> 02:08:07.399 we'll ought to throw your weight around too, said Hawk to Sylvester Stallone. 1569 02:08:09.600 --> 02:08:13.600 But you know, Stallone did make efforts to try to counter this image 1570 02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:18.319 while making Paradise Alley, as noted here in The Indiapolis Star. Still'ster Stallone 1571 02:08:18.439 --> 02:08:24.199 Rocky that is denied emphatically to me that he's turned Prima Donna, but tells 1572 02:08:24.279 --> 02:08:30.800 me that amateur photographers and some not so amateur have interfered with his movie making. 1573 02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:33.399 Here. Oh, someone's got to put a bag over from my face 1574 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:37.239 and walk around with a couple of holes bunching its eyes so they won't get 1575 02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:41.039 pictures of me. Rocky confessed. No photographer gets banging around, he said, 1576 02:08:41.439 --> 02:08:45.079 But I don't. I don't like it when so many thirty guys you're 1577 02:08:45.119 --> 02:08:48.840 gonna jump up and start shooting at you without asking you permission. You know, 1578 02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:52.600 who are they to come to my territory and start stealing a piece of 1579 02:08:52.680 --> 02:09:00.720 me? Goddy sounds like a wrestling promoter. Yeah right, well you know 1580 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:03.359 what I mean. I do. I don't understand why they are allowed to 1581 02:09:03.399 --> 02:09:07.800 come into my territory and uh, you know, and steal my piece. 1582 02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:13.920 You know, I wrestler inspired Paradise Alley, not the other way right, 1583 02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:26.520 exactly exactly, Yeah, yeah, he goes. Uh. He comments on 1584 02:09:26.640 --> 02:09:31.520 the on on having read that he won't use people bigger than me. I 1585 02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:33.279 rather that I won't use anybody taller on him. Well, they're all bigger, 1586 02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:39.000 referring to Funk and Canelito and and uh Frank McRae. That makes me 1587 02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:50.000 I'll be some called michelomaniac. So I gotta tell you, when I was 1588 02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:58.039 looking at and reading all these all these uh stories and news articles, it 1589 02:09:58.159 --> 02:10:07.720 was very stressful. Like he just seems I was absorbing his like insecurities. 1590 02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:11.399 I was like, it was so uncomfortable. I'm like, oh my god, 1591 02:10:11.479 --> 02:10:16.279 it was so stressful. It's like, you can't do that. This 1592 02:10:16.399 --> 02:10:20.199 is an important part here. Stallone's on schedule with his movie and took his 1593 02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:24.279 manager and co star Joyce Ingles to dinner at Georgios Saturday night. He was 1594 02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:28.439 headed for bed at eight thirty last night when I talked to him. That's 1595 02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:35.880 a kind of social life, a lady said. Now, I mentioned Joyce 1596 02:10:35.039 --> 02:10:41.439 Ingles for a reason because she has a very very important part to play off 1597 02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:54.439 camera. So in June of nineteen eighty two, New York Magazine published a 1598 02:10:54.640 --> 02:11:00.119 very in depth article at the struggles, the personal and professional struggles of to 1599 02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:07.640 Loan from Rocky until this point, and it's pretty it's pretty intense. Let 1600 02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:11.920 me see here. I don't want to read the whole thing, but I 1601 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:18.680 do get to the place where it's all right. Here we go. I 1602 02:11:18.800 --> 02:11:22.159 lost whatever common sense I had, and all the people and all the strengths 1603 02:11:22.199 --> 02:11:26.680 I developed. No that got me where I was, recalls to Loan. 1604 02:11:26.079 --> 02:11:30.960 He talks in softer, more measured tones than he did six years ago. 1605 02:11:31.079 --> 02:11:35.840 No longer straining to impress. Is it opposed to Loan as new image as 1606 02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:39.239 mister sincerity. If he's acting, it's one of his better performances. You 1607 02:11:39.319 --> 02:11:43.119 know, I became a markable product and very shallow. He says. I 1608 02:11:43.279 --> 02:11:46.079 was in a hundred places at one time. You know, when when it 1609 02:11:46.159 --> 02:11:50.239 finally came down to doing films other than Rocky, I had you might say, 1610 02:11:50.399 --> 02:11:54.359 almost blown it. And a certain personality pervades in film. You can 1611 02:11:54.439 --> 02:11:58.479 see it on screen if an actor's falling apart or if he's happy. Something 1612 02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:03.199 comes to r And it wasn't a focus. It wasn't a focused period for 1613 02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:05.199 me. After the Rockies. I wanted to go out and live life the 1614 02:12:05.279 --> 02:12:09.439 fullest, you know, meaning wine, women in song, and I started 1615 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:13.399 throwing rocks in my own image. It was weird, you know. I 1616 02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:16.039 would go on talk shows not to promote the films, but to promote myself. 1617 02:12:16.119 --> 02:12:22.239 It was flaunt. Stallone says that when the Prince began to accuse him 1618 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:28.439 of being an egomaniac, he dismissed the criticism as jealousy and counterattacked by flaunting 1619 02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:31.479 his success even more. Yes, the death of his manager Lane Oliver in 1620 02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:35.680 nineteen seventy seven left him without a close professional he could trust to set him 1621 02:12:35.720 --> 02:12:41.279 straight, and he ignored the advice of one other person who meant most to 1622 02:12:41.399 --> 02:12:46.119 him, his wife, Sasha. It was funny how I didn't listen to 1623 02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:50.199 us, Stallone says. Now, I thought he what did shooting? You 1624 02:12:50.239 --> 02:12:52.119 know? I thought I couldn't do an it wrong like Rocky. I was 1625 02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:56.239 going to break down the barriers, go a distance and success is the most 1626 02:12:56.319 --> 02:13:01.520 dangerous and drugs. I've been pinned down, you know. Was going home 1627 02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:03.840 the same pattern every night, and I felt stifled. I thought that my 1628 02:13:03.960 --> 02:13:07.960 wife would change everything around. They would change, So why wasn't she more 1629 02:13:07.119 --> 02:13:11.279 vivacious, bigger than life too. I told her, I love you, 1630 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:15.159 but I'm not happy with myself and I have to go out and find happiness. 1631 02:13:15.319 --> 02:13:18.840 Sounds like he lost his smile, So yeah, it sounds like I 1632 02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:22.880 don't know a bargain basement piece of shit. Yeah, well, it sounds 1633 02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:28.079 like he sounds like a guy who who is it's the liar and selfish and 1634 02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:31.319 realize that he had some stuff and he wants to he wants to get he 1635 02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:37.439 wants to play like a little like a little fucking baby. And guess what 1636 02:13:37.600 --> 02:13:39.640 he did. At the time, Salona's filming Paradise Alley, and he moved 1637 02:13:39.680 --> 02:13:46.159 to the Sheridan Universal, where he started to party of vengeance. Come on, 1638 02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:50.159 let's go. There were there were there not as many women as you 1639 02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:52.880 might think. You know, because I developed the fear of exploitation. I 1640 02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:58.199 knew the women were coming around because of the rocky image Italian Stallion. Among 1641 02:13:58.279 --> 02:14:00.439 the women he went out, but he didn't mean to go with women. 1642 02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:03.600 He did cheat on his wife. Among the women he went out with at 1643 02:14:03.640 --> 02:14:11.520 the times to lone mentions, Joyce Ingles absolutely one of his co stars in 1644 02:14:11.600 --> 02:14:18.239 Paradise Alley and Susan Anton, but he says Anton was the only one he 1645 02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:22.520 was with quote unquote extensively. Slone says he was ashamed of the way he 1646 02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:26.640 publicly embarrassed his wife, and he seems sincerely amazed at how she wrote out 1647 02:14:26.680 --> 02:14:31.399 his behavior. And when I first came Kornberg, my wife through let me 1648 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:35.039 and he says, sure, should go on burnt your She said, you 1649 02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:37.680 know, you go on burn your camera at both ends. You come back 1650 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:41.800 with you're my husband. I called the next morning to talk to Sasha. 1651 02:14:43.600 --> 02:14:46.279 I feel that if someone doesn't want to be with you, he has a 1652 02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:48.960 right, she says. I never really get angry. At the time. 1653 02:14:50.039 --> 02:14:52.479 Slide wasn't a very happy person to be around. I knew there was something 1654 02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:56.720 he had to work out. We were separated twice in three years. People 1655 02:14:56.760 --> 02:15:00.600 have a tendency to repeat patterns, some for a lifetime. I told them 1656 02:15:00.640 --> 02:15:03.960 I'll wait. He asked how he could be sure I'd wade, and I 1657 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:07.439 told him he couldn't. My astrologist told me a couple of months after we'd 1658 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:11.399 broken up that I'd meet the man of my dreams. On my birthday, 1659 02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:16.079 July seventeenth, I was supposed to be in Hawaii then, but Sly, 1660 02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:20.560 who was filming victory in Budapest, called and asked me to come there because 1661 02:15:20.640 --> 02:15:24.720 you thought we could work things out. I consulted the astrologists, gone should 1662 02:15:24.720 --> 02:15:28.479 I What do you think about this? Astrologist? Do you think it could 1663 02:15:28.520 --> 02:15:33.800 go? Oh? Let me look at the stars. Yes, I believe 1664 02:15:33.920 --> 02:15:37.079 you could go. You've come to the right place, a place that will 1665 02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:39.960 tell you what you want to hear. Yes, what is it you want 1666 02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:41.039 to have happened? Well, I'd liked to get back together my husband. 1667 02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:46.000 That's exactly what's going to happen. Allow me to reverse engineer that in the 1668 02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:50.000 stars. See the stars are lying in a way that are going to get 1669 02:15:50.000 --> 02:15:54.000 you your husband back in many ways. What's this I see in your future? 1670 02:15:54.560 --> 02:16:00.720 You will take a breath. Ah, Oh, you know I see 1671 02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:05.119 something else. I see that. I am going to charge you fifteen dollars 1672 02:16:05.239 --> 02:16:13.840 for this for this visit, saying it isn't so Shaman. I consulted the 1673 02:16:13.880 --> 02:16:18.560 astrologist and she said it was a destiny. Destiny move there. I was 1674 02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:22.560 in Budapest on the night of my birthday and I said to Sly, you 1675 02:16:22.520 --> 02:16:28.399 the night on the white charger. You where did you hide the horse? 1676 02:16:28.680 --> 02:16:33.079 Has he really changed as much as he says, from the day I arrived 1677 02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:37.239 in Budapest he was a dream, Sasha insists, and he still is. 1678 02:16:39.120 --> 02:16:43.399 He's fun. We laugh all the time. He sweeps me off my feet. 1679 02:16:43.280 --> 02:16:46.559 Yes. As a side note, they were divorced three years later after 1680 02:16:46.600 --> 02:16:58.239 the m sends a trend so as I was, you know, you're looking 1681 02:16:58.280 --> 02:17:05.360 back. You kind of hear the stories, and Stallone says that one of 1682 02:17:05.399 --> 02:17:09.920 his regrets is the hostility he created when he became a director as well as 1683 02:17:09.920 --> 02:17:11.959 an actor and a writer. In addition, you know, he oh, 1684 02:17:13.040 --> 02:17:16.159 this is part of the Yeah. So in addition to Paris, he directed 1685 02:17:16.239 --> 02:17:20.440 Rocky two, Rocky three. But he asks, don't you think of the 1686 02:17:20.479 --> 02:17:22.760 opportunity presents stuff? You should try him? And first time I go up 1687 02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:26.360 on hind camera, I was nervous, but I thought, God, there's 1688 02:17:26.399 --> 02:17:30.120 this opportunity. And I gotta understand why I turned people off. I didn't 1689 02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:33.000 approach it, pop, I just lunge into it. As An actor who 1690 02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:37.159 has worked with Stallone recalls that he once told a crew member not to speak 1691 02:17:37.239 --> 02:17:43.559 to him unless he spoke first. Don't use my name the actors, says, 1692 02:17:43.719 --> 02:17:46.760 I might have to work with the son of a bitch again. That's 1693 02:17:48.680 --> 02:17:56.639 that's Hollywood right there. That's right. So I mentioned before that that interview 1694 02:17:56.680 --> 02:18:01.159 with Roger Ebert I was around the same time, and he admits the disappointment 1695 02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:05.200 of the failure. You know, he's disapponent in the failure of Paradise Alley 1696 02:18:05.239 --> 02:18:11.399 and his general attitude after Rocky And you know what to me, it this 1697 02:18:11.600 --> 02:18:18.479 is a guy, this is a guy who had his bubble burst after his 1698 02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:24.920 big success. Yeah, you know, because the four follow up films to 1699 02:18:24.120 --> 02:18:31.079 Rocky, I mean, Rocky two did well, you know, it did 1700 02:18:31.120 --> 02:18:37.559 well, but Fifth Paradise Alley, they all and Rocky two and Nighthawks, 1701 02:18:37.639 --> 02:18:43.959 they all received poor to mixed reviews at best. I see the current average 1702 02:18:45.040 --> 02:18:50.399 on Metacritic for the four films is fifty six out of one hundred. That's 1703 02:18:50.479 --> 02:18:56.280 the average rating for by critics of those four movies. And care Sly, 1704 02:18:56.760 --> 02:19:01.120 Yeah they love Rocky, they don't love you, Sly exactly. And they'll 1705 02:19:01.159 --> 02:19:05.840 love Rambo, but they don't love you all right, remember that, Sly. 1706 02:19:05.799 --> 02:19:13.520 You're not enough. Yeah, no, you're not You're not. In 1707 02:19:13.600 --> 02:19:16.399 the interview, he's quoted as saying, I'm now working with John Houston. 1708 02:19:16.399 --> 02:19:20.719 I'm biting my lip to preeple with a given suggestion, and there's a misconception 1709 02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:24.079 I can't work with other directors. You know, with Houston he's still only 1710 02:19:24.079 --> 02:19:26.920 when he sits back, you know, you don't even think he's working. 1711 02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:30.479 He's so smooth. But all the time the incubation process has taken in. 1712 02:19:31.239 --> 02:19:33.120 And unless you come out, come, come them with import If they doesn't 1713 02:19:33.159 --> 02:19:37.200 like you suggestion, you get a single no and not sit and salone admits 1714 02:19:37.319 --> 02:19:41.000 now that he has that he has a reputation for having a large ego and 1715 02:19:41.079 --> 02:19:46.040 a low threshold of interest in other people's opinions about what decisions he should make. 1716 02:19:48.200 --> 02:19:52.399 So I believe it is safe to say that Sylvester Stallone was eating pie 1717 02:19:54.440 --> 02:19:58.040 and it was loaded with humble humbleness. Yes, thank you, Yes, 1718 02:19:58.559 --> 02:20:03.520 make him humble. I will make you humble. I needed a match with 1719 02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:07.239 with with an iron cheek. Oh my god, I'm really shiky. Isn't 1720 02:20:07.239 --> 02:20:09.840 in the movie. To tell the truth, It's true. I'll sit at 1721 02:20:09.840 --> 02:20:18.600 home watching Rustling one day and who comes this Uranian? How? How? 1722 02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:22.920 How you how you got a gut with abs, all right, what are 1723 02:20:22.959 --> 02:20:24.639 you hiding? You got you like kids heads and you and you go to 1724 02:20:24.719 --> 02:20:35.360 someone's going on man. So principal photography at about the two seventeen Mark Bitch 1725 02:20:37.639 --> 02:20:43.079 on November twenty fifth, nineteen seventy seven, and ran through February the following 1726 02:20:43.159 --> 02:20:48.680 year. I believe most of it. They definitely shot in a sound stage 1727 02:20:48.680 --> 02:20:52.559 for stuff in la but most of the rest of the filming occurred in on 1728 02:20:52.680 --> 02:20:58.280 location in New York. Now. Paradise Alley was produced by a man named 1729 02:20:58.559 --> 02:21:03.959 Edward Pressman, who has had a legendary career in the business. He's produced 1730 02:21:03.000 --> 02:21:07.280 such films as Wall Street, the first two Conan movies, Masters of the 1731 02:21:07.399 --> 02:21:13.079 Universe, American Psycho, and the TV movie Paternal, which I was up 1732 02:21:13.159 --> 02:21:18.520 for. Briefly, I was up for a part in the Paterno before being 1733 02:21:18.559 --> 02:21:24.239 shut out by Greg Grunberg. Fuck him, I agree. I was going 1734 02:21:24.280 --> 02:21:26.639 to play Scott Paternal. I mean I thought I was going to. I 1735 02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:33.000 read for Scott Paternal and that the casting director really liked me, and I 1736 02:21:33.120 --> 02:21:37.559 was really excited. I thought I'd get it. But the casting director really 1737 02:21:37.680 --> 02:21:41.799 like you, just like the guys who get fired from w W. We 1738 02:21:41.920 --> 02:21:45.120 think Vince really liked them, but that damn jay No, because I would 1739 02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:48.719 say that Barry Sonnenfeld was Vince and Vince didn't like me. I would say 1740 02:21:48.760 --> 02:21:52.079 that the casting director is more like the agents who go out scouting for wrestling 1741 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:56.239 talent. Well, they made a mistake, I agree, But I mean 1742 02:21:56.520 --> 02:22:00.200 Greg Grunberg, he's he's he's a good actor. I like it, and 1743 02:22:01.280 --> 02:22:05.959 but fuck him, That's what I say. Just because he's a fat guy 1744 02:22:05.040 --> 02:22:07.639 doesn't mean you know, I have to work Hey, you never know, 1745 02:22:07.719 --> 02:22:09.840 you might have to work together again. Oh. I can see why it 1746 02:22:09.879 --> 02:22:13.520 came down to YouTube. Right. If I saw this guy walking down the 1747 02:22:13.559 --> 02:22:16.520 street, I do a double take. Yeah, it could be me. 1748 02:22:16.959 --> 02:22:18.280 He's he's great. And also you've seen him in a bunch of stuff. 1749 02:22:18.280 --> 02:22:22.239 He's a lot of fun. He's a lot of fun. Now I bring 1750 02:22:22.319 --> 02:22:31.520 up Pressman because guess what he is? The maggot he that option of the 1751 02:22:31.559 --> 02:22:39.920 story from Stallone before Rocky name again Edward Pressman. In the long run, 1752 02:22:41.280 --> 02:22:43.239 uh, you know, as we said before, in the long run, 1753 02:22:46.319 --> 02:22:48.399 stallone is is happy, you know, because you never would have made Rocky. 1754 02:22:48.440 --> 02:22:52.319 But he still holds a grudge as we saw in that interview, which 1755 02:22:52.399 --> 02:22:58.719 was decades after this movie get made, it seems as though, you know, 1756 02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:07.639 despite the kind of crappy way he treated Stallone regarding the script, that 1757 02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:11.600 Pressman may have changed along the way. And this is from an article in 1758 02:23:11.600 --> 02:23:16.639 The Only Times Well I established the context for the filmmaker to realize his vision. 1759 02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:22.799 Pressman says, sometimes I have to introduce a new filmmaker to the whole 1760 02:23:22.840 --> 02:23:28.639 process, help him find a cinematographer and so on. Other times the focus 1761 02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:33.159 is just on the script. As a producer, I functioned differently on different 1762 02:23:33.200 --> 02:23:37.600 projects. The hardest thing is to learn how not to be something The filmmaker 1763 02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:43.760 doesn't need the ideal partnership of the producer and the filmmaker. An actor friend 1764 02:23:43.840 --> 02:23:48.559 brought him a script about a boxer and his brothers called Hell's Kitchen, written 1765 02:23:48.559 --> 02:23:54.040 by another young actor named Stallone. Pressman option for twenty five thousand dollars, 1766 02:23:54.079 --> 02:23:58.399 a fair sum for a new firm. This is back when when he first 1767 02:23:58.399 --> 02:24:03.680 started out. He got these optioned. Hell's Kitchen's subsequence between optioning and buying 1768 02:24:09.040 --> 02:24:13.920 there is, yes, there is a difference because buying optioning the rights can 1769 02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:20.399 go back to you like you decide a certain amount of time or you know, 1770 02:24:20.479 --> 02:24:24.479 like if you don't, For example, the only one I can think 1771 02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:28.239 of is the best one I can think of, a Spider Man. So 1772 02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:33.719 Marvel owns Spider Man. But it's kind of a similar situation. It's a 1773 02:24:33.760 --> 02:24:41.639 little bit different. But they have licensed the character to be featured in too. 1774 02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:46.879 They license the character to Sony and Columbia Pictures to be used in movies. 1775 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:52.440 Now Columbia basically has to make a Spider Man movie within a certain amount 1776 02:24:52.440 --> 02:24:58.280 of time. If they don't do that, then the rights go back to 1777 02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:01.920 got It. And it's kind of similar. I don't know if it's exactly 1778 02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:07.159 like that, but I but but from my knowledge, it's a similar situation 1779 02:25:07.239 --> 02:25:11.799 where I give you you know here you I've I've sold my script to you. 1780 02:25:11.920 --> 02:25:16.120 You have the right to make it for so many times and if you 1781 02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:18.120 know, if you made a good deal, you'll say, you know, 1782 02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:20.360 in a few years, if you don't make the movie, I want my 1783 02:25:20.559 --> 02:25:24.799 I want the rights back. Right. So option means it's kind of like 1784 02:25:24.879 --> 02:25:28.440 a stock option. You you have the right to buy it with it at 1785 02:25:28.440 --> 02:25:31.280 a certain price or within a certain time frame, right exactly you know, 1786 02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:35.639 so I didn't just buy it and think goodbye. It's it's yeah, got 1787 02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:41.159 it? Okay. Subsequent least alone sold another script, also involving a boxer, 1788 02:25:41.639 --> 02:25:50.879 to chart Off and Winkler. Pressman sued and one set who he sued 1789 02:25:52.319 --> 02:25:58.799 chart Off and Winkler because Rocky seemed to have a lot of similarities to Hell's 1790 02:26:00.079 --> 02:26:09.639 Kitchen. Think about that, hmm, but a friend said, but a 1791 02:26:09.680 --> 02:26:13.360 friend said, dummy, you could have had a piece of Rocky. The 1792 02:26:13.440 --> 02:26:18.600 earlier script, revised to make the boxer a wrestler, became Paradise Alley, 1793 02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:24.440 not a success. Still, Pressman takes credit, grinning shyly, for recognizing 1794 02:26:24.479 --> 02:26:33.879 early that Stallone was a talent. So that's great. One thing that is 1795 02:26:35.799 --> 02:26:41.079 absolutely wrestle crap worthy was, you know, because when you're making you know, 1796 02:26:41.440 --> 02:26:45.600 still think about it, we're basically making a Rocky two. What Stallone 1797 02:26:45.680 --> 02:26:50.520 is making with this before he made Rocky two? And what made Rocky a 1798 02:26:50.600 --> 02:26:54.000 success? You know, you had the story of the underdog overcoming the bad 1799 02:26:54.079 --> 02:26:58.559 guy blah blah blah blah blah blah. And one great part about Rocky was 1800 02:26:58.719 --> 02:27:05.159 a song. So there needed to be a song, right and you know 1801 02:27:05.719 --> 02:27:09.159 stallone. Again stuck within the family, he hired Bill Conti, who was 1802 02:27:09.280 --> 02:27:16.719 the who was the composer of Rocky and h But this time he decided to 1803 02:27:16.239 --> 02:27:33.120 uh to do to well. He decided to sing the song himself. Two 1804 02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:46.799 Clothes to ts and two Clothes to hear and so savens thirteen phrase, it's 1805 02:27:46.959 --> 02:27:56.600 too cheer. Hey. If I cut off Tom Waits, I gotta cut 1806 02:27:56.680 --> 02:28:00.840 him off to huh. If I cut off Tom wait I got to cut 1807 02:28:00.879 --> 02:28:07.239 him off. I mean, what the fuck is that? Oh God, 1808 02:28:07.319 --> 02:28:11.159 it's awful. But it's the theme song for a paradise alley. It's too 1809 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:20.879 soon for two clothes for paradise? Too close to Hell? I don't know. 1810 02:28:20.959 --> 02:28:24.840 I think we're in hell, pal Yeah, I think we're close enough. 1811 02:28:24.920 --> 02:28:35.600 Yeah. So yeah, Now he you know, he films the movie. 1812 02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:39.719 You know, he wants to do it early because he's like, if 1813 02:28:39.799 --> 02:28:45.760 he's if he's young, then he can he can fail, and then he 1814 02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:48.079 can blame it on his youth and he can, you know, improve, 1815 02:28:48.159 --> 02:28:52.360 which is kind of exactly what happened, because he went on to direct movies 1816 02:28:52.440 --> 02:28:56.520 and still directs movies, and you know, he's pretty good at it. 1817 02:28:56.799 --> 02:29:00.200 You know, he knows. He's also come to terms with what he is 1818 02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:03.520 and what he can offer. And that's that's the important thing, is I 1819 02:29:03.600 --> 02:29:07.719 guess what, Pal you're not. You know, nobody wants to see you 1820 02:29:07.799 --> 02:29:11.719 as an actor. They want to see you as an action star or Rocky. 1821 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:15.399 That's about it. And I bet you notice a correlation. Once he 1822 02:29:15.440 --> 02:29:18.840 came to terms with that, less and less comments about his arrogance. Yes, 1823 02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:28.600 the press exactly, this is what what in papers? This This is 1824 02:29:28.639 --> 02:29:31.879 the Globe and Mail. They said, they wrote this it. So that's 1825 02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:33.799 just alone. Came roaring in with Rocky. It was as if he was 1826 02:29:33.879 --> 02:29:37.760 saying to the moguls of Hollywood, Look, you can play your games, 1827 02:29:37.200 --> 02:29:41.760 but I know what this business is all really all about. In fact, 1828 02:29:41.959 --> 02:29:46.719 I am what this business is all about. No, I'm sorry, pal 1829 02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:50.319 uh. And And here's the biggest evidence of that. Because as the hours 1830 02:29:50.399 --> 02:29:56.360 drew closer to finishing the whole film, universal as studios do, as we 1831 02:29:56.520 --> 02:30:01.760 know, we've we've heard many tales so are about the interference of studios, 1832 02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:05.600 they decided to swoop it didn't make changes to the movie, which compromised the 1833 02:30:05.719 --> 02:30:09.760 picture. In Stallone's eyes, I guess the movie was really a lot longer. 1834 02:30:09.319 --> 02:30:15.079 But well, here I'll let Stallone. This is from that Roderbran interview. 1835 02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:20.319 He blames Stallone, blames himself for part of the Paradise's Alley Paradise Alley's 1836 02:30:20.799 --> 02:30:24.079 poor reception. I'll never forgive myself with the way I allowed myself to be 1837 02:30:24.159 --> 02:30:28.719 manipulated. During the editor of the film, he said, well, there 1838 02:30:28.760 --> 02:30:31.760 were a lot of scenes in a give the atmosphere and character, and they 1839 02:30:31.840 --> 02:30:35.040 wanted them out just to spewed things along. They were moved forty scenes together 1840 02:30:35.200 --> 02:30:39.920 altogether. I put tune of them back on the in for the version of 1841 02:30:39.959 --> 02:30:43.680 showing on TV. For example, the whole sequence of the soldier without legs 1842 02:30:43.719 --> 02:30:46.879 sitting on a bar eating peanuts. Yeah, I missed that scene. I 1843 02:30:48.000 --> 02:30:52.719 really do it, just man. Around the time of the making of the 1844 02:30:52.760 --> 02:30:58.040 movie, there were these fun this is this is something that's lost in today's 1845 02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:05.319 world, the writing to newspapers to ask just questions. Do you remember that? 1846 02:31:07.319 --> 02:31:13.879 You mean, like general curiosities like uh, like writing to the sports 1847 02:31:13.920 --> 02:31:16.920 columnist like who holds the all time home run record? Yeah? And then 1848 02:31:16.000 --> 02:31:20.440 publishing those things yeah yeah, yeah, I mean does that still happen No, 1849 02:31:20.639 --> 02:31:24.799 not really. I mean it's kind of like a million off shoots of 1850 02:31:24.840 --> 02:31:28.239 Dear Abbey, almost like vice columns slash looking for information. I heard that 1851 02:31:28.319 --> 02:31:31.799 this is true? Is this true? So here's one. This is this 1852 02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:39.879 was This was printed in the True in the Scranton Tribune. I've seen I've 1853 02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:45.360 seen the movie Rocky four times and it's fantastic. I just have to write 1854 02:31:45.399 --> 02:31:50.280 so selvester Stallone, can you please tell me his address? Sure? This 1855 02:31:50.520 --> 02:31:54.680 this Janine Williams Cooperville's Virginia Jane. I'll do you one better. I'll publish 1856 02:31:54.719 --> 02:31:58.760 it in the fucking page. Right, I'll make people realize what a fucking 1857 02:31:58.799 --> 02:32:03.760 indat you are. How about that, Janine? Well, they did respond, 1858 02:32:03.879 --> 02:32:05.879 is it? If you love Rocky that much, you'll be excited to 1859 02:32:05.959 --> 02:32:09.319 know that two more Stallone films are on the way. He recently completed Fist 1860 02:32:09.360 --> 02:32:18.120 for United Artists, a fictional account of of the labor union Federation of Interstate 1861 02:32:18.239 --> 02:32:22.879 Truckers. Salone is currently in New York filming Paradise Alley for Universal. It's 1862 02:32:22.879 --> 02:32:26.159 the only It's the story of three brothers growing up in Hell's kitchenary of New 1863 02:32:26.280 --> 02:32:31.159 York and guess what they don't give an address the fucking right to Alon. 1864 02:32:31.479 --> 02:32:35.120 Well, maybe she can look up the address for the filming location, right, 1865 02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:41.959 and yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. This one from 1866 02:32:41.399 --> 02:32:50.559 the Seguin Gazette Enterprise. Hop story journalism to have like you. You really 1867 02:32:50.719 --> 02:32:56.440 are not a world class publishing outfit if your name isn't the Gazette Enterprise. 1868 02:32:56.319 --> 02:33:01.680 Okay, I'm a big fan of Saves Stallon's and I love the movie Rocky. 1869 02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:05.000 I already was writing a sequel to a Rocky two. It's just true. 1870 02:33:05.799 --> 02:33:13.360 This is from Emma Marzo Kennor New York. As true as Rocky's left 1871 02:33:13.479 --> 02:33:18.360 jab, which is kind of ironic because it's that means it would be not 1872 02:33:18.559 --> 02:33:24.319 true because Rocky's a character, not a human being. It's a fictional account, 1873 02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:28.040 right. Stallone has plans for a sequel in which the Italian Stallion has 1874 02:33:28.079 --> 02:33:33.280 to cope with sudden fame. He says the ending will be sort of something 1875 02:33:33.360 --> 02:33:37.239 of a surprise, but that project's a long way off the moment. First, 1876 02:33:37.239 --> 02:33:41.120 Salone is gonna sell his new flick Fist, then his novel Paradise Alley, 1877 02:33:41.159 --> 02:33:45.399 about a bum wrestler from ELL's Kitchen, New York, which is just 1878 02:33:45.600 --> 02:33:48.520 released. That he's going to work on the film of Paradise Alley, So 1879 02:33:48.639 --> 02:33:52.319 you'll be seeing and hearing a lot from your main man, even if he's 1880 02:33:52.360 --> 02:33:58.360 not in the boxing ring. Thanks guys. Now, I'm all intrigued by 1881 02:33:58.360 --> 02:34:05.799 this Fist movie. I know Norm jewish In, the director. He likes 1882 02:34:05.840 --> 02:34:09.440 it. Actually, he likes it a lot. Interesting. He thinks it's 1883 02:34:09.440 --> 02:34:11.520 one of the more powerful movies that he's made. To me, sounds like 1884 02:34:11.600 --> 02:34:16.079 bullshit, But you know, I'm who am I? Who am I? 1885 02:34:16.200 --> 02:34:22.520 Here's a critics line on a poster here. The only recent American movie concomparable 1886 02:34:22.159 --> 02:34:28.360 to Fist is The Godfather. That's a that's a bold statement. A bold 1887 02:34:28.600 --> 02:34:37.719 statement, folks. So everything was said and done, and uh oh, 1888 02:34:37.399 --> 02:34:41.200 why do I think it was released November. I'm sorry, I made a 1889 02:34:41.280 --> 02:34:48.479 mistake here. Paradise Alley was released September twenty two, nineteen seventy eight, 1890 02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:52.239 a week before the novel came out. And that's my bad. I apologize. 1891 02:34:52.280 --> 02:34:56.520 That's about probably been people listening to the whole episode fucking screaming from the 1892 02:34:56.559 --> 02:35:01.239 top of the show that I got the fucking that I got the date wrong, 1893 02:35:01.799 --> 02:35:03.040 So just by a month, by month, though not by year, 1894 02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:07.040 right, No, by a week, by a couple of months. I 1895 02:35:07.079 --> 02:35:11.760 mean I said, I said it was I said it was November when it 1896 02:35:11.799 --> 02:35:13.239 came out, But it was September when it came out. You don't want 1897 02:35:13.239 --> 02:35:16.040 you don't want to know the listeners that won't let that go. I know 1898 02:35:16.200 --> 02:35:18.879 it's true. I know who it is. I know who it would be 1899 02:35:18.959 --> 02:35:22.639 like that too. So hold on, I'm gonna check something out quickly because 1900 02:35:24.079 --> 02:35:28.200 I feel like I did read it somewhere, and there's one other place. 1901 02:35:28.799 --> 02:35:33.000 Did you get worked? Did yeah? I did get worked? Yeah? 1902 02:35:33.200 --> 02:35:37.879 Because okay, so on, well let's see here I'm gonna get I'm gonna 1903 02:35:37.879 --> 02:35:41.959 get the bottom of this ship, right the fuck Now? We tend to 1904 02:35:41.040 --> 02:35:48.520 do that, do we not. I'm not fucking dicking around here. It 1905 02:35:48.680 --> 02:35:52.520 says here, so on, so on. On the Internet Movie Database it 1906 02:35:52.600 --> 02:35:58.440 says September twenty second, nineteen seventy eight. Yet on the Wikipedia it says 1907 02:35:58.479 --> 02:36:03.559 November two, nineteen seventy eight. Make up your minds, folks, Yep, 1908 02:36:03.639 --> 02:36:07.360 we need clarity. I haven't fucking got all day. But all right, 1909 02:36:07.479 --> 02:36:13.000 so it was so preferably resolve this by the time we're done recording. 1910 02:36:13.079 --> 02:36:18.479 Thank you. I don't just someone someone answer even though you know whatever. 1911 02:36:20.440 --> 02:36:24.239 So yeah, so there we go. It was released some time in the 1912 02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:39.079 fall of nineteen seventy eight. The movie gross seven million, one hundred and 1913 02:36:39.159 --> 02:36:46.079 eighty five thousand, five hundred and eighteen dollars on a budget of do I 1914 02:36:46.159 --> 02:36:50.760 have a budget. I don't have a budget. Oh, fortunately, but 1915 02:36:50.159 --> 02:36:54.920 I got word that it might have been. It should have been around six 1916 02:36:56.040 --> 02:37:00.959 million dollars. Okay, So it made money. Yeah, it made like 1917 02:37:01.040 --> 02:37:03.959 a mill. It actually it did make money compared to Suburban Commando. Didn't 1918 02:37:03.959 --> 02:37:07.360 make enough money. No, it did not. It did not end. 1919 02:37:07.719 --> 02:37:13.680 It never will and that's just the way it goes. Thanks for that. 1920 02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:22.520 I wasn't expecting you to go that far. Holla, hollallallalla, lying holler 1921 02:37:22.639 --> 02:37:26.680 if you hear me. And let's get to the reviews, because you know, 1922 02:37:28.120 --> 02:37:33.079 there's nothing, there's nothing like like reviews for this fucking for shit. 1923 02:37:35.799 --> 02:37:41.799 Paradise Alley lacks Rocky's primal simplicity. It's a parade of outrageous ploys that come 1924 02:37:41.879 --> 02:37:46.639 pelting at you from all angles, outrageous beginning at a girl's ankles. The 1925 02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:52.520 camera slides up the old Sadie Thompson pan to the worldly wise face of a 1926 02:37:52.639 --> 02:37:58.719 hooker. Outrageous, the super Hulk brother having his vocabulary expanded by his girl, 1927 02:37:58.840 --> 02:38:03.360 the daughter of a Chinese laundryman, outrageous, the ten Cents, a 1928 02:38:03.520 --> 02:38:09.760 dance girl who's also a sensitive sculptor. Animal power. Some of Stallone's outrageous 1929 02:38:09.319 --> 02:38:15.360 charm and real energy. Some are appalling mixtures of both of both, such 1930 02:38:15.360 --> 02:38:22.000 as the climactic Titanic rastle between Victor and the villainists, Monster Frankie the Thumper, 1931 02:38:22.360 --> 02:38:26.719 I'm forced a loone. As a performer, he has that rare treasure 1932 02:38:26.760 --> 02:38:31.399 animal power. As a filmmaker, he's engagingly arrogant, and he gives lots 1933 02:38:31.440 --> 02:38:37.559 of screen time to an army of appealing new performers. Stallone is real bull, 1934 02:38:39.399 --> 02:38:41.239 but he needs to learn that the function of a bull is not to 1935 02:38:41.479 --> 02:38:52.000 smash up a chimash shop. Okay, you know, subtle subtle there by, 1936 02:38:52.280 --> 02:38:56.479 I would like to have that job, watch movies and then be a 1937 02:38:56.559 --> 02:39:00.639 fuck face when I get back to the office. Oh that's the best little 1938 02:39:01.040 --> 02:39:05.600 watch entertainment, and then have people talk shit about it. Now, would 1939 02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:07.520 you want to watch a movie with a movie critic? No? Why would 1940 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:11.479 you want to read? I mean, I am painting with a very broadbrush. 1941 02:39:11.520 --> 02:39:16.239 There were some movie critics I think are just lovely to read and who 1942 02:39:16.360 --> 02:39:20.559 really enhanced my enjoyment or understanding or appreciation of films. But for the most 1943 02:39:20.639 --> 02:39:24.200 part, it seems to be a sweepstakes to see who can turn the more 1944 02:39:24.319 --> 02:39:28.399 clever phrase then offer insight into the picture. And I do not support such 1945 02:39:28.479 --> 02:39:31.920 exercises. Wow, what do you know? Right? What the fuck do 1946 02:39:31.959 --> 02:39:35.760 you That's why you know, That's why you're not in the business. Son, 1947 02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:46.799 Well, we can talk. Where is it here? It says, 1948 02:39:46.079 --> 02:39:52.319 I'm sorry, and I think faded out there for a second. This is 1949 02:39:52.799 --> 02:39:58.399 a this is a long long review. I'm not gonna read the whole thing 1950 02:39:58.559 --> 02:40:07.520 from from New York magazine, but the uh, okay, here we go. 1951 02:40:07.639 --> 02:40:13.000 This is Paradise Alley has some moments of warmth and its portrayal of gaudy 1952 02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:16.760 neighborhood bars and dance halls, gangsters, bimbos, and hangers on, but 1953 02:40:16.879 --> 02:40:22.680 the movie is so hyperbolic and synthetic you don't believe a minute of it. 1954 02:40:22.159 --> 02:40:28.719 The principal interior set a nightclub with a wrestling ring is a bulbous fantasy land 1955 02:40:28.079 --> 02:40:33.559 in which each character, pinned by his tagline, sounds like someone out of 1956 02:40:33.639 --> 02:40:39.120 a garuless, anecdotal, fake, chummy old radio program. In the wrestling 1957 02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:45.959 scenes, Stallone redes the upbeat plot of Rocky even though wrestling is a phony 1958 02:40:46.559 --> 02:40:50.559 sellout sport. Let's get that fucking shit. Let's get Dutch ship. It's 1959 02:40:50.600 --> 02:40:58.079 a funny sell out sport. Wrestling is a phony sellout sport. That's what 1960 02:40:58.159 --> 02:41:09.200 the fucking movie boils down to, phony sull out port. That's correct. 1961 02:41:09.639 --> 02:41:13.239 The final bout, in which huge bodies go flying through the air and crash 1962 02:41:13.280 --> 02:41:16.120 into the floor for what seems like three hours, left some people in the 1963 02:41:16.200 --> 02:41:22.559 audience cheering for Lenny's victory. Our audience is so eager for upbeat ending endings, 1964 02:41:24.239 --> 02:41:30.959 they'll cheer anything. Was the seventies, I know, right? Oh 1965 02:41:31.040 --> 02:41:35.280 for sure, Oh for sure. It was art to not end the movies 1966 02:41:35.319 --> 02:41:37.559 on a happy note. Oh oh my god, he's kidding me. The 1967 02:41:37.719 --> 02:41:43.360 seventies is that's it? Like, that's that's that's where you fucking have all 1968 02:41:43.440 --> 02:41:52.280 the the harshest u endings of movies. People fucking literally starting with you know, 1969 02:41:52.360 --> 02:41:58.399 it started with two movies actually that really kind of usher then in Bonnie 1970 02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:03.600 and Clyde and easy Spoilerer for anybody on. But like, yeah, the 1971 02:42:03.639 --> 02:42:07.799 fucking lead characters get wasted in the end, totally easy, not drum. 1972 02:42:09.120 --> 02:42:13.639 They get fucking destroyed, spectacular crashing flames. Sure that one, sure and 1973 02:42:13.719 --> 02:42:16.799 that uh and that. It's like, well, Nixon, So we were 1974 02:42:16.920 --> 02:42:20.680 right, you know what I mean, like we were right to not celebrate 1975 02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:26.959 Axon. Yeah. See that's what it is. You know, you know 1976 02:42:28.079 --> 02:42:31.520 what is America? You know? Right? What is it? Wealth of 1977 02:42:31.639 --> 02:42:37.680 tom Kin? Man? Like me, every year we celebrate the birth of 1978 02:42:37.840 --> 02:42:41.760 what on the fourth of July. I mean, I don't know, man, 1979 02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:48.280 that just seems like a bunch of I think that's bullshit. Wait till 1980 02:42:48.319 --> 02:42:52.799 someone says imperial Countavill, someone says imperial someone's going to mention the CIA. 1981 02:42:54.360 --> 02:42:56.840 You know, that's the thing about it, you know, we we're talking 1982 02:42:56.879 --> 02:43:00.559 about an imperial force, you know, and you why, like why do 1983 02:43:00.639 --> 02:43:03.799 we need spies? You know, why can't we be open and honest about 1984 02:43:03.879 --> 02:43:07.319 things? Yeah, we've got the CIA like investigating everybody and their mom. 1985 02:43:09.520 --> 02:43:13.959 What kind of country are we living in where that's okay from the end times? 1986 02:43:13.440 --> 02:43:16.879 You know, I mean, I'm sorry, you know, if this 1987 02:43:16.120 --> 02:43:20.840 is this is the end of days, and fuck it, I'm I'm you 1988 02:43:20.920 --> 02:43:26.200 know, I'm going to celebrate and just get drunk high and fuck yeah. 1989 02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:30.360 Well, off to Time Square, you go. It's epidemic. The AIDS 1990 02:43:30.360 --> 02:43:35.319 epidemic had yet to rage, so there was no no. That's that's a 1991 02:43:35.399 --> 02:43:39.040 fucking that's a that's a hoax. You know, that's all a hoax that 1992 02:43:39.200 --> 02:43:46.200 was created by the government to to to just to stop me from having to 1993 02:43:46.239 --> 02:43:50.520 stop me from having clockwork orange three ways supposed. I want to go out 1994 02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:54.280 and have fun, and the government says, no, you can't do that, 1995 02:43:56.639 --> 02:44:01.079 and I say, fuck that, you know, I I listen. 1996 02:44:01.680 --> 02:44:05.000 I want to go out and do things that are against the law, that's 1997 02:44:05.120 --> 02:44:11.639 okay. I want to not shave my pubes. Look, I'm I'm going 1998 02:44:11.680 --> 02:44:15.440 to go out there and I'm going to take my cock out and whip it 1999 02:44:15.520 --> 02:44:20.799 around. And that is totally within the bounds of my rights. And you're 2000 02:44:20.840 --> 02:44:24.760 telling me, oh, there's a pandemic, I can't go out. You're 2001 02:44:24.760 --> 02:44:28.000 here's a modern day Okay. I thought we were still in the seventies. 2002 02:44:28.159 --> 02:44:30.760 I switched. He's kind of back and forth. Well, see know, 2003 02:44:30.840 --> 02:44:35.200 the difference is all of those things now, you know, dialed up. 2004 02:44:35.360 --> 02:44:39.000 Yet nobody thinks anything but happy ending, so appropriate, right, Yeah, 2005 02:44:39.239 --> 02:44:41.799 that's a difference. That's true. It gets it gets worse, yet we 2006 02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:46.479 run even harder to have get lost there. I'm sorry, well I got 2007 02:44:46.559 --> 02:44:50.719 lost. I guess I missed that that migration point there, But hey, 2008 02:44:50.040 --> 02:44:54.000 Roger Stone is involved in both decades. That's true. Good point though, 2009 02:44:54.120 --> 02:45:03.680 good point. So there is another a long passage from a book called Staying 2010 02:45:03.719 --> 02:45:07.520 Alive, which by Paul Raymaker. But I just want to cut to the 2011 02:45:09.000 --> 02:45:11.879 to the chase here at the end, where again, you know, he 2012 02:45:11.159 --> 02:45:18.200 kind of the movie the movie has. The legacy of the movie has changed 2013 02:45:18.280 --> 02:45:24.600 a bit. It's a little more celebrated then than it was when it was 2014 02:45:24.680 --> 02:45:30.479 first released. He writes, in most respects Paradise Alley must be counted as 2015 02:45:30.520 --> 02:45:33.440 a trial run at writing, directing, and starring. It is a film 2016 02:45:33.760 --> 02:45:39.760 of its era, partaking of the conventions of the nineteen seventies period piece and 2017 02:45:39.920 --> 02:45:43.840 self consciously paying homage to classical Hollywood. And it's a looking narrative. At 2018 02:45:43.840 --> 02:45:48.680 the same time, the kind of stylistic patterning scene in Paradise Alley would recur 2019 02:45:48.760 --> 02:45:58.079 in Stallone's films right through to Rocky Balboa, reaching in a A and a 2020 02:45:58.159 --> 02:46:05.239 puff fe apotheosis there it is apothiosis in the particulously designed montage is of Rocky 2021 02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:09.399 four. From Rocky Tew to Rocky Forest alone would develop a recognizable, even 2022 02:46:09.479 --> 02:46:16.959 influential approach to blockbuster form and style, fore grounding, melodramatic constructions and montage 2023 02:46:16.000 --> 02:46:22.600 sequences. If his films bear a signature, it is found in those areas. 2024 02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:26.280 I always love that if his yes, like, well, what if 2025 02:46:26.280 --> 02:46:31.319 they didn't, if there is one thing that is good right, what if 2026 02:46:31.319 --> 02:46:37.000 there's not right exactly? If if he were anything, it would be It's 2027 02:46:37.040 --> 02:46:41.000 like it's such a cop out, you know, it's like, say something 2028 02:46:41.120 --> 02:46:43.879 declarative. Don't like leave yourself this wiggle room to where if what you just 2029 02:46:45.120 --> 02:46:48.959 kind of this this flurry of assumption that you had about the phenomenon you're observing. 2030 02:46:50.559 --> 02:46:52.680 Don't give yourself this out to say, well, I said, you 2031 02:46:52.719 --> 02:46:54.920 know, if or he can be forgiven if he thought this, well, 2032 02:46:56.120 --> 02:46:58.760 did he think it or not? You know? Yeah, right. You 2033 02:46:58.840 --> 02:47:01.319 didn't ask that question, but you decided it was a good lead when you 2034 02:47:01.360 --> 02:47:03.600 go back to the office, so you just slap that on there. I 2035 02:47:03.760 --> 02:47:09.360 notice, I'm watching God damn it, and I notice, and then our 2036 02:47:09.440 --> 02:47:16.319 good friends at Kahier Ducinema wrote another essay on the movie again, kind of 2037 02:47:16.399 --> 02:47:24.200 more celebrating it in later years. I'll read in the final paragraph after his 2038 02:47:24.360 --> 02:47:28.200 victory and right before the closing credits, Victor embraces his brothers, exclaiming, 2039 02:47:28.239 --> 02:47:33.600 I like it better when we are brothers. This optimistic ending takes a lot 2040 02:47:33.680 --> 02:47:37.280 of nerve. Cosmo, Lenny, Victor. Each one has their turn to 2041 02:47:37.360 --> 02:47:45.200 be the quote unquote brain. Their union is the Horizon viet just like just 2042 02:47:45.399 --> 02:47:50.920 like the Enfant duplecle half Orphans, they share family and childhood secrets. Lenny 2043 02:47:50.079 --> 02:47:54.079 knows how to make Victor invincible by whispering a few words in his ear. 2044 02:47:54.799 --> 02:47:58.000 The only way to stay brothers is to bet on winning together, not to 2045 02:47:58.120 --> 02:48:01.959 fight a war, but for example, to have a wrestling match. And 2046 02:48:01.040 --> 02:48:05.520 it is the scene of the final match where Victor and Frankie the Thump are 2047 02:48:05.600 --> 02:48:09.840 fighting tensely, each one of their family, each for each one for their 2048 02:48:09.879 --> 02:48:13.840 family each of their two bodies take many hits, some of them right to 2049 02:48:13.920 --> 02:48:16.639 the face. The catch of the whole situation, just like it's with cinema, 2050 02:48:18.239 --> 02:48:22.399 is that it's rigged, and we know it. Stallone takes its pleasure, 2051 02:48:22.440 --> 02:48:26.200 a pleasure that its first child is to film this trick for what it 2052 02:48:26.360 --> 02:48:31.200 is. His film is a great film, it's semima, and if people 2053 02:48:31.280 --> 02:48:35.159 do not go to see it, they have lost a good opportunity to love 2054 02:48:37.479 --> 02:48:45.360 the semima. You know, I'll tell you there's no one that celebrates the 2055 02:48:45.440 --> 02:48:50.079 cinema more than those who make cinema. Yes, indeed, you have a 2056 02:48:50.159 --> 02:48:54.040 public here or is this a circle jerk? What's the I love the similar 2057 02:48:54.639 --> 02:48:58.959 I make semima I aren't create. It's so funny how these actors grow up 2058 02:49:00.079 --> 02:49:05.000 up like wanting to be Bogey. Yes, and so they eventually, once 2059 02:49:05.040 --> 02:49:09.520 they get big, they find themselves that they squirm their way into a project. 2060 02:49:09.600 --> 02:49:13.799 They've finagle their way into a project where they can dress up like nineteen 2061 02:49:13.840 --> 02:49:18.440 forties Hollywood stars again. And I notice, and I say thumbs down, 2062 02:49:18.120 --> 02:49:22.639 like stop stop trying to chase that clout, like be define your generation as 2063 02:49:22.639 --> 02:49:28.760 an actor, don't don't just like run back to being a classical person where 2064 02:49:28.079 --> 02:49:31.200 you know what what you pine for days when you had no accountability. You 2065 02:49:31.239 --> 02:49:35.600 know, basically you pine for a day when you know Matten a idol. 2066 02:49:35.639 --> 02:49:41.719 Movie stars could just act with impunity in every possible arena of their lives. 2067 02:49:41.799 --> 02:49:46.120 A variety would just consider it fun, good fun. It's just weird to 2068 02:49:46.200 --> 02:49:48.000 me. I don't know. I mean, it would be like someone coming 2069 02:49:48.040 --> 02:49:54.600 along today and trying to pattern themselves after Luthez. You s that wouldn't mean 2070 02:49:54.600 --> 02:49:58.399 money. Well, I'm not saying no one's tried it, but it's like, 2071 02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:03.120 it's not like every successful wrestler eventually gets to the point where they want 2072 02:50:03.159 --> 02:50:07.399 you to see them portrayed as the wrestlers of the forties or the fifties. 2073 02:50:07.840 --> 02:50:13.319 But that seems to happen with most Hollywood stars, and I eventually want a 2074 02:50:13.360 --> 02:50:16.559 little bit of that, a little bit of that. Sure, you know 2075 02:50:18.200 --> 02:50:22.319 who's the actress I'm looking for? Uh? Fuck? What's her name? 2076 02:50:22.680 --> 02:50:26.799 From Connecticut? Oh? Katherine Hepper Thank you, Katherine heppern, I remember 2077 02:50:26.840 --> 02:50:30.959 she's from Connecticut and not her fucking name. That happens. They want to 2078 02:50:31.000 --> 02:50:33.040 be Katherine Hepburn and they want to be Bogey and they want to be sure. 2079 02:50:33.120 --> 02:50:39.520 They want to be carry Grant, and they won't be. No, 2080 02:50:39.920 --> 02:50:43.159 that's not gonna happen. So, as we said, after the movie was 2081 02:50:43.239 --> 02:50:48.639 panned, Stallone blamed himself again. This from the Roger Ebert interview. And 2082 02:50:48.719 --> 02:50:52.680 I've got a lot of trouble with the first interviews. I started giving up 2083 02:50:52.680 --> 02:50:56.040 the walking Camo. He said. I kept some tapes of them, of 2084 02:50:56.159 --> 02:50:58.719 some of them, and I was listening to the other day. I'll come 2085 02:50:58.760 --> 02:51:01.239 over with the pretty big opinion of myself, and I staid a lot of 2086 02:51:01.319 --> 02:51:05.959 things I was supposed to be funny that weren't. I got the critics down 2087 02:51:05.040 --> 02:51:11.799 on me, and they're retaliated by attacking Paradise. Alley call it insatiable retribution. 2088 02:51:11.920 --> 02:51:20.000 So he blames his own personal flaws on the public platform for being the 2089 02:51:20.079 --> 02:51:24.319 reason the critics didn't like the movie. I say, they don't like the 2090 02:51:24.319 --> 02:51:28.879 movie because it's not a very good movie. But that's just me. Yeah, 2091 02:51:28.920 --> 02:51:31.760 it sounds like he's at a very defensive position on this, and he's 2092 02:51:33.280 --> 02:51:37.040 preparing a menu of excuses that have nothing to do with meditating on the relative 2093 02:51:37.120 --> 02:51:43.079 merit of his work. Indeed, and the legend of the name Paradise Alley 2094 02:51:43.399 --> 02:51:50.360 continues today from four one one Mania. Paradise Alley. Pro Wrestling, which 2095 02:51:50.399 --> 02:51:56.520 is run by former W and WCW superstar Paul Roma and former enhancement talent Mario 2096 02:51:56.680 --> 02:52:01.559 Mancini, has been hit with a seasoned assist letter after being deemed adult entertainment. 2097 02:52:03.280 --> 02:52:07.479 PAPW released the details of the situation on Twitter, stating that the company 2098 02:52:07.600 --> 02:52:11.559 needs its fans to help fight back against the Town of east Haven after being 2099 02:52:11.639 --> 02:52:18.159 given the pornography label. PAPW has been given a season desist order by the 2100 02:52:18.239 --> 02:52:24.879 Town of east Haven and we have been labeled as adult entertainment pornography. Please 2101 02:52:24.920 --> 02:52:26.760 help us in this fight. We love all our fans and want to continue 2102 02:52:26.799 --> 02:52:31.840 creating shows that create memories for you. How about creating moments as well, 2103 02:52:31.719 --> 02:52:35.120 the company wrote on Twitter. The letter from the city includes that it was 2104 02:52:35.159 --> 02:52:39.040 made aware of an event on August twenty seven that violated the rules in place 2105 02:52:39.479 --> 02:52:48.440 on adult oriented business and entertainment establishments. Due to that, the city has 2106 02:52:48.520 --> 02:52:52.239 warned PAPW to stop all wrestling activity or face potential finds and criminal charges. 2107 02:52:52.920 --> 02:52:58.559 PAPW currently has thirty days to appeal the city's decision. If the company takes 2108 02:52:58.600 --> 02:53:03.959 no further action, the city will consider it an admission of being liable of 2109 02:53:03.200 --> 02:53:09.239 violating the zoning law. Wrestling. Wrestling is for children, await The commissioner 2110 02:53:09.319 --> 02:53:16.239 says, yeah, child pornography. Yeah, that's not what you mean, 2111 02:53:16.319 --> 02:53:20.520 commission. Come on, have take a break. Let me let me cover 2112 02:53:20.600 --> 02:53:26.000 you up at the cape. Like James, I saw it, They fucking 2113 02:53:26.120 --> 02:53:33.399 take to take the kids out. They quote unquote entertain the children commission. 2114 02:53:33.440 --> 02:53:37.360 That hasn't been the case for many, many years. There was I saw 2115 02:53:37.399 --> 02:53:45.200 it with my own eyes. Children in a porn house. Oh, the 2116 02:53:45.239 --> 02:53:54.000 famous porn houses, House of Pornography. It's like my son's bedroom. Yeah, 2117 02:53:54.040 --> 02:53:58.200 I wonder why the city had a problem with that business locating right next 2118 02:53:58.280 --> 02:54:05.360 to the Barnes and Noble House of Pornography. What imagine I invite you to 2119 02:54:05.479 --> 02:54:11.440 imagine opening, you know, a typical five and ten, you know, 2120 02:54:11.680 --> 02:54:16.680 just like an old style, down home variety store, you know, with 2121 02:54:16.760 --> 02:54:22.719 a soda fountains and penny candies and apothecary and greeting cards. And you call 2122 02:54:22.760 --> 02:54:31.520 it house of pornography. And I'm with the House of porn mob What do 2123 02:54:31.559 --> 02:54:35.520 you want but here's the but here's the thing. The owner said, we 2124 02:54:35.639 --> 02:54:39.440 don't carry any pornography. Like he really is upset that. I just thought 2125 02:54:39.440 --> 02:54:43.959 it'd be a clever title of a of an for a for a business. 2126 02:54:43.719 --> 02:54:48.760 Even better that he refuses. Every time he's asked, well, why and 2127 02:54:48.879 --> 02:54:52.879 the fuck did you name the place the house of pornography? The owner always 2128 02:54:52.920 --> 02:54:56.239 talks right past the question, or you know, well why not? Doesn't 2129 02:54:56.239 --> 02:54:58.879 matter? No, he doesn't, he doesn't, He does not acknowledge it. 2130 02:55:00.159 --> 02:55:01.760 He just simply says, well, what's the We do not carry any 2131 02:55:01.840 --> 02:55:07.479 pornography, so what's the problem. I could see if we had pornography here? 2132 02:55:07.879 --> 02:55:09.760 Like, he never answers the question of why. It's almost as if 2133 02:55:11.520 --> 02:55:16.600 he's been forced, through some silent agreements, ask me, okay, well 2134 02:55:16.639 --> 02:55:20.399 sorry, I simply have to ask. And it looks like you're running a 2135 02:55:20.479 --> 02:55:22.479 very wholesome operation. We are, we are. We have a very very 2136 02:55:22.520 --> 02:55:24.959 clean establishment, and we like to keep it that way. I mean, 2137 02:55:26.000 --> 02:55:28.200 wouldn't life be so much easier if you just renamed the store? Why do 2138 02:55:28.280 --> 02:55:31.079 you have to call this place the house of pornography? But we don't have 2139 02:55:31.239 --> 02:55:37.879 any pornography? Yes? No, I certainly understand that I see it with 2140 02:55:37.920 --> 02:55:41.520 my own team the lack. Then why do you ask the question? Well, 2141 02:55:41.520 --> 02:55:43.319 I just it seems that all of the trouble that's being heaped upon your 2142 02:55:43.360 --> 02:55:48.159 shoulders by the city and all this negative publicity just to ass back to the 2143 02:55:48.239 --> 02:55:50.959 fact that you have a name that doesn't at all match the content and the 2144 02:55:52.040 --> 02:55:56.600 character of your store. Well, I don't understand what that means. Can 2145 02:55:56.639 --> 02:56:00.399 you please explain yourself? Well, I mean, I mean to say that 2146 02:56:00.559 --> 02:56:03.559 if you're not carrying pornography, why would you call your store house of pornography 2147 02:56:03.559 --> 02:56:09.879 but we don't carry it. I don't understand why you have to ask the 2148 02:56:09.040 --> 02:56:16.920 question when it's very obvious that we don't carry pornography. What's so hard to 2149 02:56:18.120 --> 02:56:22.000 understand? Fine, I'll rename the store two weeks later, dissolved to the 2150 02:56:22.079 --> 02:56:26.360 new sign we don't carry pornography as the name of the store. He still 2151 02:56:26.440 --> 02:56:28.399 doesn't get the point that you've got to take the word pornography out of the 2152 02:56:28.520 --> 02:56:37.600 name. He calls it House of kunt Yes, calls it, calls it 2153 02:56:37.719 --> 02:56:46.280 Splooge World, the House of conne Lingus. No, he renames the store 2154 02:56:46.319 --> 02:56:58.680 from a House of pornography too. I just came and it got with like 2155 02:56:58.760 --> 02:57:03.879 an with like a drawing of like of a cock that's coming. He puts 2156 02:57:03.239 --> 02:57:07.520 right exactly, He puts actual like artwork up there of the exact depiction that 2157 02:57:07.799 --> 02:57:11.000 he's trying to run away from. And you go inside and it looks like 2158 02:57:11.159 --> 02:57:18.479 the pharmacy that young Jimmy Stewart works in. Mister collar, Oh, myster 2159 02:57:18.600 --> 02:57:22.440 car, why why why? Why is it? The house have come? 2160 02:57:22.840 --> 02:57:28.760 Mister goll you like coconuts? Bitch? Yeah, bitch, do you like 2161 02:57:28.840 --> 02:57:35.719 coconuts? I'm gonna I fucking break this coconfrat you out him? Hand up? 2162 02:57:35.799 --> 02:57:39.639 Dog all right, dog in your ash. Moving on with Paradise Alley 2163 02:57:39.879 --> 02:57:48.040 the cinemat uh and to close, like we have discovered countless times uh over 2164 02:57:48.200 --> 02:57:54.840 the course of the laps fan and under the cinemat uh the earliest of times, 2165 02:57:54.920 --> 02:58:03.280 as early times we can find pro wrestling having happened and occurred. People 2166 02:58:03.440 --> 02:58:09.360 have known the outcome was predetermined, And even in promoting this movie, Sylvester 2167 02:58:09.440 --> 02:58:13.280 Stallone knows that outcomes are predetermined, and only one person knows the outcome of 2168 02:58:13.360 --> 02:58:18.879 this brawl. And I ain't. Wow, that's awesome. That's great. 2169 02:58:20.639 --> 02:58:30.799 Now, are you ready to feel the thunder in Paradise Alley? Let's see 2170 02:58:30.799 --> 02:58:41.319 that, Kirsty. Here we go. Are we're gonna crack this puppy open? 2171 02:58:41.440 --> 02:58:45.520 Oh, let's fucking watch this motion picture event. I man, here 2172 02:58:45.600 --> 02:58:50.959 we go. It's time to deep dive under the cinemat and roll the projector 2173 02:58:50.959 --> 02:59:00.079 and three two one play. Yes, we have text, we have of 2174 02:59:00.120 --> 02:59:03.760 a spinning globe. We have black and white imagery. We have we have 2175 02:59:03.079 --> 02:59:13.319 universal a universal art. Does doctor Strange love or Paradise Alley? A cat 2176 02:59:13.440 --> 02:59:16.840 mews in an alley in Hell's Kitchen? That's right, that's the way that 2177 02:59:16.319 --> 02:59:22.440 that's this is what Hell's Kitchen was like in the in the forties. For 2178 02:59:22.559 --> 02:59:26.959 truth, it's a period period piece. Indeed, how nineteen seventies is that 2179 02:59:28.040 --> 02:59:31.559 faun? Huh? Oh my god? They glows too, It's like, 2180 02:59:31.559 --> 02:59:39.000 okay, the glowing New York City nineteen forty six looks like the typeface of 2181 02:59:39.079 --> 02:59:43.719 a Mels Diner. I don't write seriously now. I was wondering, actually, 2182 02:59:43.760 --> 02:59:48.680 what what Hulk Cogan would think about this movie, and and Stallone's directing. 2183 02:59:48.719 --> 02:59:50.520 This is what he said. Actually, I don't think he was ready 2184 02:59:52.239 --> 02:59:58.879 that was the problem. Brother. Yeah, So like here we establish the 2185 03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:07.959 this this weird betting. You know he Stallone's character is a is a get 2186 03:00:07.479 --> 03:00:11.840 rich quick kind of guy, right, and so he's always looking for quick 2187 03:00:11.920 --> 03:00:16.319 ways to make a buck, including this race coming up here. Yes, 2188 03:00:16.600 --> 03:00:22.479 dressed like news like a goonies here, so fucking weird? Is that Urmand? 2189 03:00:22.559 --> 03:00:24.239 Send them on their way? No, no, no, no, 2190 03:00:24.360 --> 03:00:28.399 no, that's the bad guy. And here we're gonna get listen for the 2191 03:00:28.520 --> 03:00:39.680 dulcet tones. Oh m hmmm. Two clothes to Hell. Yeah, I 2192 03:00:39.719 --> 03:00:41.680 don't know. I don't think you're too close to Hell. I think you're 2193 03:00:43.920 --> 03:00:48.000 fucking balls deep in it. Right, they're doing track and field and street 2194 03:00:48.040 --> 03:00:50.920 clothes in the forty right, I have no fucking idea. It almost looks 2195 03:00:50.959 --> 03:00:54.440 like that they're running off of roofs and jumping off roofs and stuff and get 2196 03:00:54.479 --> 03:00:58.520 it, like what but what are they doing? Like did that just say 2197 03:00:58.600 --> 03:01:01.760 introducing Armando Sante? It did? It was his first movie, so usually 2198 03:01:01.760 --> 03:01:03.840 you get the introducing credit. Oh yeah, oh yeah, he's all over. 2199 03:01:05.559 --> 03:01:07.559 I guess they are jumping roofs. Yeah, they are there. It 2200 03:01:07.719 --> 03:01:18.200 is so weird. Step no, oh god, Frank Stallone's in this movie. 2201 03:01:18.639 --> 03:01:24.639 Wow. Yeah, he plays a singer in the club Terry Fun. 2202 03:01:24.840 --> 03:01:31.239 That Frankie Muniz Malcolm in the middle looks like him. Terry Funk just appearing 2203 03:01:31.280 --> 03:01:35.840 in the credits. There there it is my name. Yeah. I think 2204 03:01:35.879 --> 03:01:39.600 Hollywood should have known they had a headcase on their hands when he insisted on 2205 03:01:39.760 --> 03:01:46.600 singing the title track to his second movie, God the Running, Stop it, 2206 03:01:46.959 --> 03:01:52.760 that's what he has always blinking clothes Stallone's blinking Joy singles. Oh jeez, 2207 03:01:52.799 --> 03:02:05.719 two closing stops two closed. He Mary is Tom Waits Tom waiting for 2208 03:02:05.799 --> 03:02:09.719 his real identity, Right, I'm waiting for Tom Waits for No One Bill 2209 03:02:09.799 --> 03:02:18.120 Conti Ladies and Gentlemen music by Bill Conti, Eve Newman, our editor, 2210 03:02:20.479 --> 03:02:26.239 poor woman. But he looks like Franky Muniz right there. I'm sorry that 2211 03:02:26.360 --> 03:02:30.280 is not in the middle, although he's off to the right more than the 2212 03:02:30.319 --> 03:02:37.000 middle. Well, you know, I get the conceit of this opening montage, 2213 03:02:37.079 --> 03:02:41.559 but that's about enough. Yes, I've been watching these guys jump buildings 2214 03:02:41.600 --> 03:02:46.120 and slow motion and oh, I'm so bored like dress like newsboys for about 2215 03:02:46.120 --> 03:02:48.360 fifteen minutes. Now. Now, I asked you if you saw this movie. 2216 03:02:48.360 --> 03:02:52.239 But I didn't ask you if you liked this movie. I don't remember 2217 03:02:52.440 --> 03:02:54.520 feeling one way I was watching. It really is like a wrestling artifact. 2218 03:02:56.079 --> 03:03:00.200 Sure, to be honest with you, Yeah, I hear you on that. 2219 03:03:01.680 --> 03:03:13.319 Oh listen, he's fucking yeah them Paradise. The difference is too hard 2220 03:03:13.399 --> 03:03:18.000 to tell between Paradise and Hell. I'm still watching these guys run. It's 2221 03:03:18.040 --> 03:03:22.319 the same thing over the middle is stressing. It's like the Randy Orton bray 2222 03:03:22.360 --> 03:03:28.639 Wyatt storyline, the same fucking thing visuals that are supposed to make an impression 2223 03:03:28.719 --> 03:03:33.239 upon us, but they insist on running them dry. You make an impression. 2224 03:03:33.239 --> 03:03:37.239 I am not impressed, sir, thinking an impression on my forehead as 2225 03:03:37.280 --> 03:03:46.440 it crinkles and besmirchment. Oh oh, Malcolm missed it. She's fall into 2226 03:03:46.520 --> 03:03:52.719 his she's taking a bump. Is he dead? Oh no, it's just 2227 03:03:52.920 --> 03:03:58.719 funny games. God, what a strange get you, grease ball. Look 2228 03:03:58.719 --> 03:04:03.120 at Angle. This is so his brother the sky that fell camera Angle. 2229 03:04:05.280 --> 03:04:07.520 So the guy that fell between the buildings grabbed onto a clothes line after about 2230 03:04:07.760 --> 03:04:13.159 thirty story fall and it is fine, of course cool, I mean, 2231 03:04:13.360 --> 03:04:16.600 and of course the clothes line didn't break or anything. They couldn't wait till 2232 03:04:16.600 --> 03:04:22.120 the wrestlers got to the ring for the clothes lines written directed starring. I'll 2233 03:04:22.120 --> 03:04:24.120 look at that. See they did with the money. They fucked him. 2234 03:04:24.280 --> 03:04:28.079 They fucked him with the money while they give him fake money. Well, 2235 03:04:28.079 --> 03:04:30.879 they gave him real money. But it was all it was. He couldn't 2236 03:04:31.040 --> 03:04:35.239 it was all ripped up. Well, he was so close to paradise, 2237 03:04:35.319 --> 03:04:39.120 but he was just as close to hell as it turned out. That's yeah, 2238 03:04:39.200 --> 03:04:41.440 who would have known? That? Got not much of a difference in 2239 03:04:41.520 --> 03:04:45.559 either one o those nineteen forties New York streets look inviting. Oh god, 2240 03:04:46.159 --> 03:04:50.559 like there is a place I never want to live in a time I never 2241 03:04:50.639 --> 03:04:56.440 want to live in. It's like this depression era New York. Yea loading 2242 03:04:56.520 --> 03:05:01.440 the legless veteran into the model t here is this gentleman. Who's this guy? 2243 03:05:01.040 --> 03:05:07.639 That's that's Victor, Yes, and that ain't no veteran, the veteran 2244 03:05:07.680 --> 03:05:13.559 of the ring hustling. Yeah, what a guy can't make peanuts pretending he's 2245 03:05:13.559 --> 03:05:20.159 a cripple. The world's going to hell? How might you stop pretending? 2246 03:05:20.239 --> 03:05:24.239 Maybe that's step one? Yeah, that exactly, stop pretending. So Victor's 2247 03:05:24.280 --> 03:05:26.559 the brother. Then, yes, Victor, that that's that's Lee Cantelino, 2248 03:05:26.680 --> 03:05:31.760 right from Texas. Yes, the oh oh, he sees him. He 2249 03:05:31.840 --> 03:05:35.639 sees a looker from Dame in the sidewalk. His cot slies eye. Nice 2250 03:05:35.680 --> 03:05:39.159 ear ring, by the way, in nineteen forty six, right, who 2251 03:05:39.239 --> 03:05:43.159 fucking wears an earring? And like nineteen forty get arrested in nineteen forty six 2252 03:05:43.239 --> 03:05:46.000 for being a guy wearing a hoop ear ring? Right, because it meant 2253 03:05:46.040 --> 03:05:52.200 that you liked cock or at least the authorities may suspect as much. Right, 2254 03:05:56.360 --> 03:06:05.639 that's an archer. The actor there, she's She's been in a bunch 2255 03:06:05.680 --> 03:06:13.920 of stuff, I would say, most notably as uh as uh what's uh 2256 03:06:15.879 --> 03:06:24.840 huh as uh Harrison Ford's wife in the Jack Ryan movies. She plays missus 2257 03:06:24.959 --> 03:06:33.479 Ryan. That's a little sum in my head. So to make me stand 2258 03:06:33.520 --> 03:06:37.079 down on the crowd, you know, like he's acting like Rocky. Oh 2259 03:06:37.159 --> 03:06:39.479 yeah, that's why I thought this movie came first. I thought Rocky was 2260 03:06:39.559 --> 03:06:46.479 just like an adaptation of this guy. No, like Rocky is this guy? 2261 03:06:46.719 --> 03:06:52.040 Shit? What's the character's name again? Uh? Cosmo? Okay, 2262 03:06:52.120 --> 03:07:00.159 great, Cosmo CARBONI fuck me are you serious. Cosmo Lenny and Victor our 2263 03:07:00.200 --> 03:07:05.000 bony. There's Victor. The movie about a guy named Cosmo Carboni. Hey, 2264 03:07:05.399 --> 03:07:09.280 Hey, I was looking about Hey the movie is a boy, a 2265 03:07:09.319 --> 03:07:11.799 guy named Cosmo Carboni. You know he's got a brother, little Victor. 2266 03:07:11.879 --> 03:07:18.440 He's got another Blenny. Oh why are they screaming at this old man? 2267 03:07:18.600 --> 03:07:24.000 This is a dick. That big block of ice that guy. Oh look 2268 03:07:24.040 --> 03:07:28.959 at that hallway. Man, it's the old days. Man fucking gonna bring 2269 03:07:28.000 --> 03:07:33.479 a block of ice to people, could deliver ice. You imagine that that 2270 03:07:33.600 --> 03:07:39.799 you needed to have a giant block of ice to survive. And there he 2271 03:07:39.559 --> 03:07:52.280 is our momba something. Wow, yeah, what is he? That fucking 2272 03:07:52.760 --> 03:07:58.479 cadavers in there? What is this like a laboratory? I don't know. 2273 03:07:58.680 --> 03:08:03.079 I think he's Is he a corner? I don't know. It's corny. 2274 03:08:05.000 --> 03:08:11.040 Yeah, it is wearing a hat like that fucking idiot. God stop it 2275 03:08:13.159 --> 03:08:16.479 scowy cap almost hanging off the side of his head. I know, so 2276 03:08:16.600 --> 03:08:20.000 annoying. It's like that hat is just too close to paradise and too close 2277 03:08:20.040 --> 03:08:28.000 to hell at the same time. And Armando Sande is like the love child 2278 03:08:28.120 --> 03:08:39.280 of of Adam Scott and uh, Melissa McCarthy's husband. What's again? Oh 2279 03:08:39.319 --> 03:08:50.399 wait, they're in this movie. Hey, this guy does not look like 2280 03:08:50.479 --> 03:08:58.000 the guy who's talking in those interviews, Carol cap Canalito. You know, 2281 03:08:58.319 --> 03:09:03.079 like he does not sound like that. Like when I I guess here's my 2282 03:09:03.159 --> 03:09:07.479 point. When I listen to those interviews, I don't picture a guy looking 2283 03:09:07.600 --> 03:09:11.920 like this in the least Slide just said. This place is starting to annoy 2284 03:09:11.000 --> 03:09:20.000 me. And I think we sure nothing in common. Lenny's a cripple. 2285 03:09:20.559 --> 03:09:24.760 Oh we just Charlie Chaplin for his brother. It's funny, it's clever because 2286 03:09:24.879 --> 03:09:31.840 victors of What an Idiot? So is what an idiot? So? Victor 2287 03:09:31.159 --> 03:09:35.959 is Armanda Santees No, Lenny is Armanda Sante. No, no, pardon, 2288 03:09:37.040 --> 03:09:41.159 Victor is Armanda Sante's brother. Yes, you got three. Those are 2289 03:09:41.200 --> 03:09:43.920 the three brothers brothers. Okay, yeah, I thought Slide was not related 2290 03:09:43.959 --> 03:09:46.920 for a second. This is very Scorsese. I have to say, like, 2291 03:09:48.000 --> 03:09:50.879 that is definitely a that that that that shot up clothes with the red 2292 03:09:52.040 --> 03:09:56.399 vibes and then pulling out like that. I'm like the lapse fan that's gonna 2293 03:09:56.399 --> 03:10:00.639 say, yeah, Scorsese. He's known for pulling out. Huh. I 2294 03:10:00.680 --> 03:10:05.559 don't know about that, not from what I've heard. I don't get which. 2295 03:10:05.559 --> 03:10:09.399 I guess she's a hooker, but she doesn't fuck anybody. Oh yeah, 2296 03:10:09.440 --> 03:10:15.399 it seems like that guy in the navy costume or whatever the fuck he's 2297 03:10:15.440 --> 03:10:18.120 wearing paid her to dance. And they're all in a line here next to 2298 03:10:18.159 --> 03:10:22.280 the jukebox. What a quarter in there via PayPal? Why don't you that's 2299 03:10:22.399 --> 03:10:26.200 right? I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't pay for 2300 03:10:26.280 --> 03:10:30.680 the dance. I pay for putting something else in the slot. Jesus Christ, 2301 03:10:31.360 --> 03:10:37.840 Oh badly, here he comes. Don't get the customers to hard time. 2302 03:10:37.959 --> 03:10:41.000 You're fucking wars guy the general manager, Yes, yes that is. 2303 03:10:43.319 --> 03:10:46.840 I don't know who's the general manager for all these days? Nobody? What's 2304 03:10:46.879 --> 03:10:56.040 her name? An archer? Twenty bucks for a good time. That's what 2305 03:10:56.200 --> 03:10:58.440 it went, four and forty six. That's all you needed, man, 2306 03:10:58.639 --> 03:11:07.200 twenty bucks, twenty marks get you a good time. Two dollars dollars Because 2307 03:11:07.239 --> 03:11:16.760 she's a whore. Imagine that, two dollars and that's like an actual acceptable 2308 03:11:16.799 --> 03:11:24.239 bid yep for pussy. I can buy a twat for two dollars. Did 2309 03:11:24.319 --> 03:11:26.479 he just say get out of here, you know, see little perfect, 2310 03:11:26.559 --> 03:11:31.440 or I'm gonna slap you, silly, get out of here, a little 2311 03:11:31.520 --> 03:11:39.000 perfect. I'm gonna slap your selling tremendous Mahan's bar, Macmahan's Bar. Yeah, 2312 03:11:39.040 --> 03:11:46.760 this is definitely. This is definitely where Jimmy Stewart was gonna get by 2313 03:11:46.879 --> 03:11:50.239 left as a chasa or no is what is it? I'll slip you on 2314 03:11:50.319 --> 03:11:58.399 my left as a convince. That's what it is. I think they're Bartender's 2315 03:11:58.440 --> 03:12:05.319 right there. Actually I see him. Oh my god, it was so 2316 03:12:05.639 --> 03:12:09.159 brown, you know what I mean? Earth tones. That's such a very 2317 03:12:09.280 --> 03:12:15.879 that's a very like seventies portrayal of this era. You know, there's a 2318 03:12:15.959 --> 03:12:20.959 lot of vibes in the movie of not only some some Scorsese stuff, but 2319 03:12:22.159 --> 03:12:28.440 also like Scorsese want to be stuff, but also like I gotta vibes of 2320 03:12:31.399 --> 03:12:33.680 Once upon a Time in America by Sergio Leone as well. Like that. 2321 03:12:33.840 --> 03:12:39.559 They're just a lot of weird. The film doesn't know what it wants to 2322 03:12:39.639 --> 03:12:43.360 be. It's really the case. That's that's the problem. It doesn't know 2323 03:12:43.479 --> 03:12:50.639 what it wants to be, and that's rarely ever a good thing. It's 2324 03:12:50.040 --> 03:12:52.920 if it knows it doesn't. If it knows that it doesn't know what it's 2325 03:12:52.920 --> 03:12:56.000 want to be, that's a whole different story then that. That's like almost 2326 03:12:56.040 --> 03:13:00.840 a creation of satire right there, but very very Funk with a monkey on 2327 03:13:00.920 --> 03:13:03.760 his shoulder. Ye, he's had a monkey in his back in his whole 2328 03:13:03.799 --> 03:13:07.760 life. Look at him, look at the Funk or he does not look 2329 03:13:07.840 --> 03:13:13.159 like the ECW Terry Funk No, or Chain saw Yeah, or even the 2330 03:13:13.799 --> 03:13:24.239 the nineteen eighty nine Rick Flair feud. Terry Funk No. Easy to forget 2331 03:13:24.280 --> 03:13:28.280 that well, of course, always associated with West Texas in the Double Cross 2332 03:13:28.360 --> 03:13:33.879 Rancher Amarillo. Terry Funk actually born in Indiana. His face looks like it, 2333 03:13:37.399 --> 03:13:41.799 I mean he does. His face does look flat and like pudgy. 2334 03:13:46.360 --> 03:13:48.399 So Slide is gonna step to Terry Funk because that was gonna know to mahone, 2335 03:13:48.479 --> 03:13:56.520 the borrower to the it's his names Skags or whatever, what's his name, 2336 03:13:58.719 --> 03:14:05.959 Stitch Stitch, Stitch sideburns stitch, yeah, right, Stitch Jones the 2337 03:14:07.000 --> 03:14:20.959 place. So he's gonna make it bet Terry Funky and we walk by. 2338 03:14:22.239 --> 03:14:28.920 You can go shoot ash someplace outside your fucking piece of shit he's avoiding wops. 2339 03:14:28.920 --> 03:14:39.479 Who avoiding wops? I know what you mean. This neighborhood's crawling with 2340 03:14:39.600 --> 03:14:46.559 degenerate fire and his Yeah, I agree. There is Funk steps up your 2341 03:14:46.639 --> 03:14:54.920 side show looking freak at that. So I recognizes him as a great wrestler. 2342 03:14:54.040 --> 03:15:03.639 That is Terry Funk. Frank the Fumpo do m. He's making fun 2343 03:15:03.680 --> 03:15:09.280 of his brother. Say, his brother can haul four hundred and fifty pounds 2344 03:15:09.319 --> 03:15:13.680 of ice, So can your wrestler boy do that? Frankie the thumper steps 2345 03:15:13.719 --> 03:15:22.440 forward? What about four hundred and fifty pounds of ice? Train? It 2346 03:15:22.520 --> 03:15:28.000 was funny how Sylvester salone outside of his outside of his Hall of Fame appearance 2347 03:15:28.120 --> 03:15:31.399 for Hogan, He's never really done anything with w WA. No, not 2348 03:15:31.559 --> 03:15:35.840 really he has and he hasn't done like a guest appearance or a an angle 2349 03:15:35.959 --> 03:15:39.399 or anything like that. Yeah, it seems kind of weird, like he 2350 03:15:39.479 --> 03:15:46.959 seems to be very heavily involved and a fan of using the clowns. Yeah. 2351 03:15:48.600 --> 03:15:52.559 Remember he used Hogan before he was Hogan, you know, yeah, 2352 03:15:52.719 --> 03:15:58.079 right, you'd think Hogan would have brought him in. Yeah, especially in 2353 03:15:58.159 --> 03:16:03.799 the rock and Wrestling era, you know, totally or even more so in 2354 03:16:03.920 --> 03:16:09.079 his early WCW rain when Stallone also was on his down swing. Don't forget 2355 03:16:09.120 --> 03:16:11.559 we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I think it's library ninety 2356 03:16:11.600 --> 03:16:16.120 four now. On the set of What Was It? Demolition Man, Jesse 2357 03:16:16.280 --> 03:16:20.840 was able to Stallone to do a interview with Eric Bischoff for Saturday Night. 2358 03:16:22.440 --> 03:16:26.319 Right, it's about it though, it's life famously put on a WCW baseball 2359 03:16:26.399 --> 03:16:35.079 cap. What's he trying to convince his brother to do here? Arm wrestle, 2360 03:16:35.280 --> 03:16:39.559 Terry Funkle, arm wrestle? Okay, yeah, yeah, it takes 2361 03:16:39.559 --> 03:16:41.840 about forty minutes to get into the fucking wrestling club. Is this where Scott 2362 03:16:43.719 --> 03:16:50.760 in the arm wrestling part? Yes, Like it's a weird fucking thing that 2363 03:16:50.840 --> 03:16:56.440 takes so long to to get into the wrestling Like, that's what it's supposed 2364 03:16:56.440 --> 03:17:01.719 to be about. Those bare knuckled Bob, I guess about the brothers really 2365 03:17:01.760 --> 03:17:07.200 and all that horseshit. The portraits of the bare knuckled boxers on the wall 2366 03:17:07.280 --> 03:17:20.079 of this pub would on the cage called Armanda Sante a gimp, powerful, 2367 03:17:20.200 --> 03:17:26.760 powerful Fermanda Sante. I would agree that'll love the frill around lamps in the 2368 03:17:26.840 --> 03:17:31.799 forties. Do you know what I mean? I mean, we're talking a 2369 03:17:31.920 --> 03:17:39.760 Christmas story prime shit here. Oh Funk just called Victor puke and spit in 2370 03:17:39.799 --> 03:17:43.360 his face. He reminds me a stand Hanson and holds barred right now. 2371 03:17:43.600 --> 03:17:46.000 He does, he does. There's a lot of stand Hans in here. 2372 03:17:48.040 --> 03:17:54.479 I just you know, it's funny seeing a lot like how bulky he was 2373 03:17:54.959 --> 03:17:58.399 there. He goes like, I don't. I can't picture Terry Funk having 2374 03:17:58.559 --> 03:18:03.559 arms like that. I think of him as rather spelt right. He looks 2375 03:18:03.600 --> 03:18:07.399 like an absolute beefy beast right now, and like I wouldn't want to ever 2376 03:18:07.479 --> 03:18:13.840 come near him. Victor Sly's brother and Terry Funk now and raptured in an 2377 03:18:13.959 --> 03:18:20.200 arm wrestling contest in this bar Frank and Victor, what's moving? No one's 2378 03:18:20.200 --> 03:18:24.319 budging. You're ready for them, You're ready for the longest arm wrestling match 2379 03:18:24.360 --> 03:18:26.600 of all time. Yeah, I'm still waiting. It's just to be over. 2380 03:18:28.440 --> 03:18:31.040 Yeah, it's it's they ain't well, they ain't getting over, and 2381 03:18:31.040 --> 03:18:33.680 it ain't gonna be what I'm saying. Yeah, jeez, Terry Funk's eyes 2382 03:18:33.719 --> 03:18:37.239 are rolling up in the back of his head. Something going on under the 2383 03:18:37.280 --> 03:18:43.159 table as well, well, something going on under the cinemat that I can 2384 03:18:43.239 --> 03:18:48.440 tell you. Schools will be take yeah, pretty much. Come on, 2385 03:18:50.479 --> 03:18:56.159 this guy fucking still going bartender holding the bat slow dissolved to everybody in the 2386 03:18:56.239 --> 03:18:58.760 bar, like so they're basically insinuating that this. There's Tom Waits, look 2387 03:18:58.799 --> 03:19:07.600 at on by his affect. Mamba Sunday. Absolutely, he definitely like he 2388 03:19:07.280 --> 03:19:13.079 qualifies having his name said like that. Autommba Someday. Oh yeah, it 2389 03:19:13.159 --> 03:19:18.399 was made to be pronounced as such. There's the monkey eating some bar peanuts, 2390 03:19:20.559 --> 03:19:22.959 Like, what the fuck is going on? Like, I've like, 2391 03:19:24.079 --> 03:19:28.399 I've never heard of of a of a arm wrestling fight. Take him this 2392 03:19:28.520 --> 03:19:33.360 long? This is a curious directorial decision here. Yes, who directed this 2393 03:19:33.440 --> 03:19:39.520 again? They'll be that man right there, thank you. Now, Victor 2394 03:19:39.600 --> 03:19:46.159 has not changed the expression on his face at all. But fucking fucking Funk's 2395 03:19:46.280 --> 03:19:48.159 juicing from the nose, leading from the nose. That's how hard he's arm 2396 03:19:48.239 --> 03:19:54.159 wrestling right now. Yeah, it's sick of watching this. He told Armando 2397 03:19:54.200 --> 03:19:58.959 Sante to do something now, or do something more. Funk is very close 2398 03:20:00.159 --> 03:20:03.360 to winning here, but Victor is just not conceding, refusing to go that 2399 03:20:03.559 --> 03:20:13.520 last inch. Victor been doing this, you can win this. It's weird 2400 03:20:13.559 --> 03:20:16.639 because Funk's winning, but he's Funks the ones showing all the stress on his 2401 03:20:16.719 --> 03:20:20.520 face. I know, right, that's the funny thing about like I'm sweaty. 2402 03:20:20.559 --> 03:20:24.600 He is. Oh, I think we've got to come back, coming 2403 03:20:24.680 --> 03:20:31.719 here, time for Victor's shine spot. It's totally true. He's hulking up. 2404 03:20:33.000 --> 03:20:39.120 Did you didn't thank you for that? Holder? Come on, Vick. 2405 03:20:43.440 --> 03:20:46.120 It's like brock there a little bit too. Yeah, totally Funk. 2406 03:20:46.879 --> 03:20:48.040 Right, that's a great example of what you were saying. Who would ever 2407 03:20:48.120 --> 03:20:56.079 say Terry Funk resembles brock Lesner, right exactly. Oh my god, Victor's 2408 03:20:56.120 --> 03:21:03.479 turning the tides on the Funker. He's expression is so simple, like taking 2409 03:21:03.600 --> 03:21:07.959 huge shit. Like Schwarzenegger too. They're both taking huge sit shits. Victor's 2410 03:21:09.040 --> 03:21:15.479 Victor. Wow, Victor does it? She's a fuck An hour and a 2411 03:21:15.479 --> 03:21:16.840 half later, huh, I know, right? Like, have you ever 2412 03:21:18.520 --> 03:21:20.200 I mean, I don't know how many arm wrestling matches you've witnessed. I 2413 03:21:20.280 --> 03:21:28.719 haven't really witnessed too many, but like, like I just don't get it, 2414 03:21:28.840 --> 03:21:31.040 Like I don't think I've ever seen an arm wrestling match. Take that 2415 03:21:31.440 --> 03:21:39.360 take that long? To me, that doesn't seem possible. No, Yeah, 2416 03:21:39.399 --> 03:21:46.239 everybody's going back to listening to piano music and wearing Fedora's right, you 2417 03:21:46.319 --> 03:21:50.879 know, being happy, and it's like it's the forties, you're gonna dance. 2418 03:21:54.120 --> 03:21:56.639 No slide just ripped. I don't know what happened to his nose. 2419 03:21:56.120 --> 03:22:00.360 I don't know. We're supposed to what happened to Frank immuniss to happen when 2420 03:22:00.360 --> 03:22:03.879 he fell down a fucking skyscraper. At least he tweaked that bridge of his 2421 03:22:03.959 --> 03:22:07.840 nose a bit. Now, he told the name Knife just lies throat, 2422 03:22:07.280 --> 03:22:13.239 Victor Gorilla press slams and look at this. This is also a no holds 2423 03:22:13.280 --> 03:22:22.360 barred that's right from Dome like Daniel LaRusso is Victor. Yeah, I'm right, 2424 03:22:24.479 --> 03:22:31.200 the love child of fucking Ralph Macchio and still and and and Schwarzenegger's brando. 2425 03:22:31.360 --> 03:22:35.520 Yeah yeah, absolutely, Branda with the white T shirt and on the 2426 03:22:35.559 --> 03:22:41.399 waterfront. Yeah yeah. He said, you know, you saw some stylings 2427 03:22:41.440 --> 03:22:45.440 that made you think want to be Scorsese. What was the state of Scorsese 2428 03:22:45.600 --> 03:22:54.280 in nineteen seventies seven seventy seven, he would have been probably he would have 2429 03:22:54.319 --> 03:23:01.200 made taxi driver by then, right, I believe. Let me see if 2430 03:23:01.200 --> 03:23:05.680 they can find that still stillone just declared nature a funny, funny thing, 2431 03:23:05.760 --> 03:23:11.479 and now he's asking nature is funny thing? I want to buy a monkey? 2432 03:23:11.200 --> 03:23:18.280 You're gonna buy my ass? Huh? Victors enjoying his treat. It's 2433 03:23:18.319 --> 03:23:22.000 an ice cream cone for winning the fucking arm wrestling match. That's right, 2434 03:23:22.159 --> 03:23:26.600 the ice man with the ice with the ice cream. Just Christ the terry 2435 03:23:26.639 --> 03:23:31.559 funk joined the Black Panthers or something. Maybe the hell he's dressed like stokely 2436 03:23:31.600 --> 03:23:39.799 car Michael right now, right, Jesus cheated my boy. This lead heel 2437 03:23:39.879 --> 03:23:41.559 looks like a like almost like a miscast gangster, you know, like, 2438 03:23:43.000 --> 03:23:48.120 yes, exactly an Italian. But he's just some like Swedish guy. Sorry, 2439 03:23:48.200 --> 03:24:07.760 pale, you don't fit Wait gone, huhm? Is this guy a 2440 03:24:07.840 --> 03:24:13.200 promoter or what is he just he's a gangster of sorts right, Like he's 2441 03:24:13.239 --> 03:24:18.959 not really I don't know, he's not really anything really important. No, 2442 03:24:20.280 --> 03:24:26.719 he's not. We have a Victor has a flame here he does All walls 2443 03:24:26.760 --> 03:24:31.680 are brick In nineteen forty whatever. Oh absolutely, uh yeah, he would 2444 03:24:31.680 --> 03:24:33.959 have done taxi driver, mean streets by this point would have been scars sase, 2445 03:24:35.079 --> 03:24:37.719 so he would have his style would have been out there. You know, 2446 03:24:37.959 --> 03:24:43.120 it could have been very it could have been influential already. That's what 2447 03:24:43.239 --> 03:24:48.399 he'd done done New York, New York, Allison. No, yeah, 2448 03:24:48.399 --> 03:24:54.120 he didn't done a lot of his his movies. Okay, Victor's girlfriend assuring 2449 03:24:54.159 --> 03:24:56.399 him that we'll be out of here soon. I guess it's his girlfriend, 2450 03:24:56.520 --> 03:25:01.520 right, Yeah, yeah, well it's she. I mean she's her. 2451 03:25:01.840 --> 03:25:05.079 Her stare is creepy, like when she opens her eyes wide and it's like 2452 03:25:05.120 --> 03:25:11.159 she's gonna kill him. Susan. Okay, Susan. Victor loves Susan. 2453 03:25:13.000 --> 03:25:18.920 Yeah. H is that a foreign tongue? Fourign tongue summoning her supposed to 2454 03:25:18.959 --> 03:25:22.760 be like immigrant central Oh, miss child, I mean her, You're right, 2455 03:25:22.920 --> 03:25:30.479 Chinese, Chinese laundry guy. Any kind of stereotype they can fucking mustard. 2456 03:25:31.319 --> 03:25:41.559 Uh. Stallone wants to fuck an archer. Stallone wants to shove his 2457 03:25:41.719 --> 03:25:58.680 cock in her paradise alley or grandson Lance doing well in a w wow here? 2458 03:25:58.799 --> 03:26:05.879 I am well, I like this song. Take a shot him. 2459 03:26:07.280 --> 03:26:11.760 I think that's him. That's a gross and it's like that is the that 2460 03:26:11.879 --> 03:26:16.040 is the most unattractive drinking, Like just take a sip, man, like, 2461 03:26:16.120 --> 03:26:18.799 don't fucking drink the whole thing's dribbling down his chin for what reason? 2462 03:26:22.319 --> 03:26:33.920 Armand doesn't it h armand casting a drunken eye on Sticky's ballroom? The fuck 2463 03:26:35.000 --> 03:26:50.319 goes on in that place? Do do do doo? She kind of reminds 2464 03:26:50.360 --> 03:26:58.079 me of of of Shiv and Succession. Totally an archer, Yeah, a 2465 03:26:58.120 --> 03:27:03.280 little less Stephanie McMahon though, then ship is Stephanie McMahon. Yeah, she 2466 03:27:03.440 --> 03:27:07.360 really isn't she? And Kendall is shade. I mean, let's be honest. 2467 03:27:09.000 --> 03:27:15.600 Poor Kendall, poor k dog, k dog, the real k dog. 2468 03:27:15.719 --> 03:27:24.000 Not that fucking Conan sounds gold, sounds good. I'm sure Conan would 2469 03:27:24.000 --> 03:27:35.520 think Kendall it's a cranberry. I'm sure he would. Hey, buddy, 2470 03:27:35.760 --> 03:27:43.479 your doctor because you don't fuck it? No whatever. Oh, she just 2471 03:27:43.799 --> 03:27:46.840 left him hanging on a that's right, make out request. I want to 2472 03:27:46.920 --> 03:27:52.000 fuck you right, I want to eat your pussy, you know, I 2473 03:27:52.079 --> 03:27:56.159 want to get down on that ship. Hey, what the hell you taste. 2474 03:28:00.120 --> 03:28:01.879 I won't know if you see if you taste like my grandmother's meat ball. 2475 03:28:01.959 --> 03:28:05.639 You know, it looks like Armanda Sante is retreated to the cobwebs for 2476 03:28:05.680 --> 03:28:11.079 a nap. I like that. You're reading a book and still dressed, 2477 03:28:11.120 --> 03:28:15.280 and like, you know, that's such a Hollywood movie thing where where people 2478 03:28:15.360 --> 03:28:18.360 fall asleep in their clothes. Have you ever done that, Like, just 2479 03:28:18.479 --> 03:28:22.360 been so tired that you went into your into your into your bed and just 2480 03:28:22.440 --> 03:28:26.079 fell asleep wearing whatever you were wearing, my clothes and whatever Victor's wearing. 2481 03:28:26.440 --> 03:28:28.520 That's true. The onesie thing is definitely not a good look. It's like, 2482 03:28:28.840 --> 03:28:33.559 looks like fucking Scrooge in that thing. Yeah, I know what you 2483 03:28:33.680 --> 03:28:37.799 mean. No one else I always notice, probably because just practicality, when 2484 03:28:37.840 --> 03:28:41.879 people fall asleep at night in bedrooms on film, it's always they're always well 2485 03:28:41.920 --> 03:28:46.000 illuminated. Oh of course by the moonlight. No one ever fucking closes their 2486 03:28:46.040 --> 03:28:50.559 blinds or sometimes even more than the moonlight. Like, it's actually been striking 2487 03:28:50.600 --> 03:28:54.920 to me across movies and TV, like, yeah, it's like an accepted 2488 03:28:54.040 --> 03:28:56.879 conceit that you can just it's about atmosphere. Yeah, you know, we 2489 03:28:58.159 --> 03:29:00.959 can't see anybody if they're all in the fucking up. There goes the light. 2490 03:29:01.600 --> 03:29:03.399 Was that you'd better start counting the lives, because weren't not of the 2491 03:29:03.680 --> 03:29:20.120 MacAllister was here. Yeah, shut up, Victor. Is he supposed to 2492 03:29:20.120 --> 03:29:26.440 be like a man child? Basically? I suppose he's supposed to be like 2493 03:29:26.520 --> 03:29:30.319 what's his name? And of mice and men? Or I guess in this 2494 03:29:30.399 --> 03:29:35.639 one it's of cockroaches and men. Shit that it's gross. What is it? 2495 03:29:35.680 --> 03:29:39.040 What does he see? Cockroaches? Oh? I see? Okay right 2496 03:29:39.079 --> 03:29:43.120 there twitching that sly scrapped a baseball back to destroy this roach. I'll tell 2497 03:29:43.159 --> 03:29:46.879 you it's like that movie we made in college, right when he took the 2498 03:29:46.920 --> 03:29:52.760 gun to shoot a fly fly? Oh did he hit it? No? 2499 03:29:52.959 --> 03:29:58.000 They're still moving? No? Did I get it? Yeah? Are you 2500 03:29:58.159 --> 03:30:13.760 like it? Yeah? Jack m Victor likes his birdie. Yeah, Victor's 2501 03:30:13.799 --> 03:30:16.040 coming off. You know what? You know that? Uh? You know 2502 03:30:16.159 --> 03:30:20.559 why Sylvester Delone has his weird lip look and he and his slur. Oh 2503 03:30:20.600 --> 03:30:26.840 I don't hold on, look at this monkey's tied up? Was Yeah, 2504 03:30:26.879 --> 03:30:31.159 the monkey is tied up? Now? Was the the the Watchmen call it? 2505 03:30:31.200 --> 03:30:35.319 Actually, I should look that up. What do they call what the 2506 03:30:35.479 --> 03:30:41.399 animal thing? Monkey? Now? The the Association that protects animals? And 2507 03:30:41.520 --> 03:30:52.840 oh the ASPCA, yeah or Peter, No, it's the one that that 2508 03:30:52.120 --> 03:31:05.159 that that qualifies films. You know what people know? Armando Sante making that 2509 03:31:05.319 --> 03:31:09.799 long walk. I feel like this is that Denzel movie American Gangster too A 2510 03:31:09.879 --> 03:31:15.120 little bit yep. Everyone everybody's at a top coat. Everyone's got smoke coming 2511 03:31:15.159 --> 03:31:18.000 off their breath while they walked the streets. You know it's always winter, 2512 03:31:24.719 --> 03:31:33.360 ohn't she's a sculptor. Yes, that's right, the whore who sculps opever 2513 03:31:33.479 --> 03:31:56.520 to the ice facility. Victor is scraping down cubes. H hear that? 2514 03:31:58.280 --> 03:32:01.360 Yeah, dancing monkey. He said to him, you were going to be 2515 03:32:01.520 --> 03:32:05.879 the gimmick of a lifetime. Oh I didn't hear that part. Pick the 2516 03:32:05.000 --> 03:32:11.760 right film. A high heels has stepped in all the time to some heavy 2517 03:32:11.799 --> 03:32:18.360 saxophone. Ah, listen, guess who this is? Ah? There she 2518 03:32:18.639 --> 03:32:24.479 is? Say her name is? Oh? Fuck, Jane, can't think 2519 03:32:24.520 --> 03:32:35.440 of it? Angles singles, singles, Jane ship where to go get my 2520 03:32:35.520 --> 03:32:46.600 sheet back? That would be the fuck's her name? What's her name? 2521 03:32:46.760 --> 03:32:52.040 Fucking fucking stallone? He's asking joy singles, Joy singles, thank you j 2522 03:32:52.079 --> 03:32:56.760 asking stallone? If he's coming by tonight in the movie and in real life, 2523 03:32:56.159 --> 03:33:01.000 and in real life he's coming by, he's coming hard, He's coming 2524 03:33:01.159 --> 03:33:09.079 everywhere, Sasha would soon find out. Yeah, not very nice to this 2525 03:33:09.200 --> 03:33:18.639 monkey. It's not very nice, no, I said tonight. So he 2526 03:33:18.760 --> 03:33:20.639 just goes door to door to look in cubes. Huh, that's right, 2527 03:33:22.440 --> 03:33:28.760 someone's gonna do it. I still don't understand why this house looks like a 2528 03:33:28.840 --> 03:33:33.680 laboratory. I guess because they all have animals. And is he a corner 2529 03:33:33.559 --> 03:33:41.440 a corner? I guess they just bring carcasses up to walk up apartments. 2530 03:33:41.479 --> 03:33:45.799 And he's an undertaker. Yeah, there's not the undertaker, but an undertaker, 2531 03:33:46.120 --> 03:33:54.319 right, this movie is quite an undertaking, that's true. Victor accusing 2532 03:33:54.680 --> 03:33:58.040 sliced alone of swiping from the deceased. I regret that cigarette from the dead 2533 03:33:58.079 --> 03:34:09.559 man. That's right. Shut up. He just keeps talking. What a 2534 03:34:09.639 --> 03:34:15.879 massive tattoo has chest? It says chest on the tattoo. There's another stallone, 2535 03:34:15.959 --> 03:34:18.440 right there? Is that? Right? That Frank? That'd be Frank 2536 03:34:18.760 --> 03:34:22.559 just put a cigarette out of the night. The real singer, the real 2537 03:34:22.639 --> 03:34:30.760 fucking musician. Absolutely, okay, so of stallone is now dancing with Anne 2538 03:34:30.840 --> 03:34:37.079 Archer. Of course, the whole scene is flooded with red light to show 2539 03:34:37.200 --> 03:34:43.719 passion and lust, and well, the color red is a character in the 2540 03:34:43.760 --> 03:34:48.840 film. It's really right, Oh will you shore? The corner of red 2541 03:34:48.040 --> 03:34:54.879 is really a character in the film. And what we try to do with 2542 03:34:54.959 --> 03:34:56.760 the color, you know, trying to make the color gil because a lot 2543 03:34:56.799 --> 03:35:01.600 of colors washed out most of the movie. On what we're thinking is we 2544 03:35:01.000 --> 03:35:05.399 had the color red and these specific scenes of grades a sense of passion and 2545 03:35:05.600 --> 03:35:09.680 you know, and and and longing between the two characters. You know, 2546 03:35:09.319 --> 03:35:16.479 it's it's done as a as a as a motif getting stuck up, Oh, 2547 03:35:16.799 --> 03:35:22.319 trash can't lift. That's the twenty four seven champion who knews fucking whales 2548 03:35:22.440 --> 03:35:26.399 on him, fucking sick? What is the sunny corleone? Jesus Christ. 2549 03:35:28.680 --> 03:35:31.879 How he's gone into the hotel with an Archer and he's shirtless under his suspenders. 2550 03:35:31.879 --> 03:35:35.360 Are you sure it's Anna Archer? Actually no, it's not. It's 2551 03:35:35.440 --> 03:35:39.120 Joyce Ingles. Look at the twists. What a fucking swerve. Fucking I 2552 03:35:39.200 --> 03:35:43.600 think Vince Russeter just watched this fucking movie all the time. Yeah, we 2553 03:35:43.719 --> 03:35:52.000 have Jesset Bells and everything, Joyce Joyce singles. Look, it's weird. 2554 03:35:52.079 --> 03:35:58.799 He wants Anne Archer, but he's been dating Joyce ingles. I don't know 2555 03:35:58.879 --> 03:36:01.840 what the fuck she's been he's been doing. Sounds like SLID's real life wife. 2556 03:36:03.040 --> 03:36:07.680 Yeah, very See. That's why under the cinemat is such magic, 2557 03:36:07.680 --> 03:36:13.600 because I can now watch this scene knowing that they pounded like he had. 2558 03:36:13.760 --> 03:36:18.280 He had her ankles behind her ears. Oh yeah, on that bed. 2559 03:36:18.360 --> 03:36:20.760 Probably they probably came back after a rap one night. You know, they 2560 03:36:20.840 --> 03:36:24.440 fucking changed with for everyone else to leave, and he fucking ravaged her on 2561 03:36:24.520 --> 03:36:35.280 that bed, hard, relentless sex and she loved it. Let's be clear 2562 03:36:35.360 --> 03:36:39.639 about that, all right. That's that's the thing right there. She wanted 2563 03:36:39.680 --> 03:36:46.079 it hard, she needed it hard, and stallone was there to paradise and 2564 03:36:46.120 --> 03:36:50.520 halfway to hell. Right, that's right. Times the difference is too close 2565 03:36:50.600 --> 03:36:54.280 to tell, that's right, says That's that's exactly it, because you know 2566 03:36:54.440 --> 03:37:01.799 she's on the verge of pain, but she can't help feel the pleasure close 2567 03:37:01.879 --> 03:37:05.760 to paradise, too close to hell. Yeah, they're all going to like 2568 03:37:05.840 --> 03:37:09.120 the secret club where you have to give a password at the door. I 2569 03:37:09.159 --> 03:37:13.719 wonder what kind of club this could be, Probably a jazz oh a club. 2570 03:37:15.719 --> 03:37:20.000 Is it a club or is it duck club? See greasy haired grapplers 2571 03:37:20.040 --> 03:37:28.000 on the wall Classic wrestling pictures. There a guy on the on the left. 2572 03:37:28.120 --> 03:37:33.680 That's the sound I think he makes. So in the forties they just 2573 03:37:33.799 --> 03:37:35.959 not clean cobwebs, which just not a thing, of course not it's a 2574 03:37:37.000 --> 03:37:41.280 four. Yeah, you know, I'll look at this. There's craps tables, 2575 03:37:41.360 --> 03:37:48.399 there's gambling. It's a full hub of illegal activity. Ice. And 2576 03:37:48.520 --> 03:37:54.280 in the background, underneath the paradise alleys sign a wrestling ring where Rocky Johnson 2577 03:37:54.319 --> 03:37:58.159 looking motherfucker is throwing knees and shoves. It was a bearcat. Guys were 2578 03:37:58.200 --> 03:38:01.959 in a fucking tuxedo or a suit or whatever. Has he taken on all 2579 03:38:03.040 --> 03:38:05.440 comers? Who is this guy? Yeah, it's one of those Ronald's fights. 2580 03:38:07.639 --> 03:38:11.879 You get a you know whoever. You know, I understand what, 2581 03:38:11.959 --> 03:38:16.559 I understand what it's portraying, But who is that wrestler? He's not a 2582 03:38:16.600 --> 03:38:18.120 wrestler. Yeah, that's got to be a wrestler in real life. He's 2583 03:38:18.120 --> 03:38:26.600 an actor. Okay, I know he's he was in that fucking movie. 2584 03:38:26.879 --> 03:38:31.520 Uh, hold on, you have a carnival Barker here with the literal clown 2585 03:38:31.639 --> 03:38:35.879 knows, inviting one to come one, come all and take on their champion, 2586 03:38:35.920 --> 03:38:39.840 the NFL player Frank McCray. Oh, thank you, thanks very much 2587 03:38:39.840 --> 03:38:43.959 for that, Frank McCray. And he also plays he plays the Boss and 2588 03:38:43.760 --> 03:38:48.559 last Action Hero. Okay, yeah, coming soon to under the cinement. 2589 03:38:48.440 --> 03:38:54.879 Wow, actually have an illuminated sign that flashes above the ring after somebody else 2590 03:38:54.959 --> 03:39:03.959 is defeated, that says another bum. Do you get that sign for our 2591 03:39:03.000 --> 03:39:11.079 podcast studio? I know we don't change another ass. That's what it is. 2592 03:39:13.079 --> 03:39:16.239 Look at Amanda Sante. Look at he's fucking hanging Yeah, you know, 2593 03:39:16.399 --> 03:39:24.280 doing his thing with fucking subtle also kind of looks like a Uni. 2594 03:39:24.600 --> 03:39:41.520 It's like Dante and fucking Clarks. Yes, he's a Dante d Armanda Dante, 2595 03:39:41.760 --> 03:39:50.719 a Dante Asante Ashanti Ashanti, a Dante Sante ah Armando Landro Estrada. 2596 03:39:54.399 --> 03:40:01.159 What's in trouble we're doing? Sly is trying to get Victoria like just ditches. 2597 03:40:01.239 --> 03:40:07.079 The girl lies says, his brother's in trouble. See that taxidermy hanging 2598 03:40:07.200 --> 03:40:16.559 on the wall there did kfe Victor told him his brother was in trouble, 2599 03:40:16.600 --> 03:40:18.319 but he's just trying to get him down a paradise alley. It's right. 2600 03:40:18.399 --> 03:40:20.639 If you can't get him in the ring to take on old Frank McCray, 2601 03:40:24.520 --> 03:40:30.319 all you could do, says stinking ring Armond goes, he's not a wrestler. 2602 03:40:37.280 --> 03:40:39.680 Yeah, like like Stallone's excuse, that's kind of funny. I wonder 2603 03:40:39.680 --> 03:40:43.719 if that was a jab at people, and now, knowing what we know 2604 03:40:43.879 --> 03:40:50.479 now, Stallone says that the reason he's not going in there to fight McCary 2605 03:40:50.559 --> 03:40:54.280 on his own is because he's he's a couple inches too taller than him. 2606 03:40:54.200 --> 03:41:01.799 Oh wow, and he people said that he would that he apparently complained about 2607 03:41:01.440 --> 03:41:07.840 he wouldn't cast people taller than him. That's kind of funny, sly slide 2608 03:41:07.879 --> 03:41:13.760 being slide, Yeah, I'll say they apparently they would have minstrel shows in 2609 03:41:13.840 --> 03:41:20.239 the ring between matches. Don't trying to figure out why this guy has a 2610 03:41:20.280 --> 03:41:24.239 clown nose. Here comes Terry Funk because he's the he's the clowns because he's 2611 03:41:24.280 --> 03:41:28.639 the fucking promoter. Yeah right, that's what he is. So how long 2612 03:41:28.719 --> 03:41:31.399 do they announce that this thing is called the Battle of the Tough Guys. 2613 03:41:35.879 --> 03:41:37.840 I mean, really, I think no holds barred ripped this this off. 2614 03:41:39.559 --> 03:41:43.399 Yeah, and I mean, what's kids? Kids? Salamis his name, 2615 03:41:43.799 --> 03:41:52.559 kids, Salammy Kids, Salami avendous his fucking overalls with this. Maw's such 2616 03:41:52.600 --> 03:42:01.200 a fucking oaf that Dexter loomis in the ring and this is this is a 2617 03:42:01.280 --> 03:42:05.920 movie that has the best kind of wrestling where there's no pinfalls. It's like 2618 03:42:05.719 --> 03:42:11.520 a weird knockout type of format. You never really know what it takes actually 2619 03:42:11.559 --> 03:42:16.239 win a match, but people win when the bell rings the Battle of the 2620 03:42:16.280 --> 03:42:18.680 Tough Guys. You have to knock a guy off a balcony with a double 2621 03:42:18.719 --> 03:42:24.239 sledge and he falls through the floor and then it's over. Terry Funk screams 2622 03:42:24.399 --> 03:42:28.639 moron at Victor and they're pe peppering him with trash, like, oh, 2623 03:42:28.680 --> 03:42:31.600 look ahead, sucking an egg in the head. Victor just took an egg 2624 03:42:31.719 --> 03:42:33.879 in the head. I mean, I know he's had egg on his face 2625 03:42:33.959 --> 03:42:37.760 his whole life, but it's true. He's ready. What a what a 2626 03:42:37.840 --> 03:42:41.719 clean ring that is? They got a devil's head in the middle of it. 2627 03:42:43.520 --> 03:42:46.239 The word carnival. The ropes are like candy cane pattern red and white. 2628 03:42:46.760 --> 03:42:52.760 Interesting. Cray backing up Victor significantly to the strands. Victor getting his 2629 03:42:52.840 --> 03:42:56.360 jaw jacked here as he covers up, and he lifted the stern and puts 2630 03:42:56.440 --> 03:42:58.520 him through the ropes to then, what are you supposed to do? The 2631 03:42:58.559 --> 03:43:05.000 guy's never been in the ring before. Yeah, well yeah, slide goes 2632 03:43:05.040 --> 03:43:11.719 there ain't no law against fighting. Back Victor, shut up Stalan. The 2633 03:43:11.799 --> 03:43:16.559 other brother wants to get out of here, but Sly is embarrassed, so 2634 03:43:16.719 --> 03:43:20.440 back in. Victor goes. Fight. Be a man. If your brother 2635 03:43:20.479 --> 03:43:26.840 wants for the clown knows. Promoter tells Fred McCray, this guy's easy. 2636 03:43:28.360 --> 03:43:31.559 To the center. They come. McCray snatches his side headlock on the left 2637 03:43:31.600 --> 03:43:35.079 side. Must have been trained, very snug side headlock. Well done, 2638 03:43:35.600 --> 03:43:41.159 strangler Lewis style. Pushed to the corner. Look at this multiple shoulder shoulders 2639 03:43:41.200 --> 03:43:46.079 in the fucking corner there. Victor over under a clinch, snatched up by 2640 03:43:46.200 --> 03:43:48.920 McCray, but he shoved back. Victor good at getting out of the clinch. 2641 03:43:50.000 --> 03:43:56.120 Get those he's doing those uh Batista style brock Yeah, oh, big 2642 03:43:56.200 --> 03:44:01.239 overhand rights. Look at Victor just haul off with closed fists. So much 2643 03:44:01.280 --> 03:44:05.239 for the book. Huh oh, and concern etched on the face of McCray 2644 03:44:05.280 --> 03:44:09.959 as he hits the canvas. I think this thing's over. Like, that's 2645 03:44:09.399 --> 03:44:13.879 what is this? Judo? You throw a guy and you win. Now, 2646 03:44:13.959 --> 03:44:18.120 this is this is Stilone not knowing how wrestling actually works. Aarently he 2647 03:44:18.159 --> 03:44:24.319 could have just asked Terry Funk. Yeah. So this is harkening back to 2648 03:44:24.399 --> 03:44:26.200 a day when even though everyone knew it was a work, they still like 2649 03:44:26.280 --> 03:44:31.319 to gamble on the outcome. It was still associated with I didn't know who 2650 03:44:31.440 --> 03:44:35.040 was going to win, right, just because they know keep the match going 2651 03:44:37.000 --> 03:44:43.520 to spark gambling interest. You turn the tides right to make it more intriguing, 2652 03:44:43.600 --> 03:44:45.799 to put more money on the line, as if the underdog's gonna win. 2653 03:44:45.840 --> 03:44:52.040 But Victor took hold Tacoma Cool Benjamin in nineteen forty two. That's not 2654 03:44:52.360 --> 03:44:56.920 I don't know change, No, it is not. I don't know what 2655 03:44:56.120 --> 03:45:01.399 she does. I mean like she right, she and at some point just 2656 03:45:01.520 --> 03:45:03.319 kind of disappears the girlfriend. I mean, never break up, I don't 2657 03:45:03.360 --> 03:45:09.559 think, but she just disappears. It's bizarre. I mean, it's just 2658 03:45:09.719 --> 03:45:15.959 it's not bizarre, it''s not thought out. Maybe it's one of the eighteen 2659 03:45:16.040 --> 03:45:22.840 thousand scenes that Universal caught, probably in the movie. Okay, I don't 2660 03:45:22.920 --> 03:45:30.399 think he was ready. I agreet Terry so yes, Delane saying he sees 2661 03:45:30.440 --> 03:45:33.239 this is a one way ticket out of this neighborhood. Someone was going to 2662 03:45:33.319 --> 03:45:41.360 say it eventually, big argument with the other brother, Armanda Sante whatever Artemanda 2663 03:45:41.479 --> 03:45:48.719 some bank you and introducing and introducing Armanda Sante. I knew he would be 2664 03:45:50.120 --> 03:45:52.959 the ladies and gentlemen of this episode as soon as you said that name. 2665 03:45:56.879 --> 03:46:00.639 And I think he's good in this movie. He's doing great, fan, 2666 03:46:01.799 --> 03:46:05.559 but I think he's pretty solid and like shut up Stilone, like Jesus Christ, 2667 03:46:05.799 --> 03:46:09.559 insufferable, keeps talking and talking and talking and talking. You know, 2668 03:46:09.760 --> 03:46:13.879 something tells me he's more Cosmo than Rocky in real life. I yes, 2669 03:46:15.280 --> 03:46:24.479 I agree. Back to red lighting and Trump the saxophones, And it's very 2670 03:46:24.559 --> 03:46:30.000 much like we just keep going back and forth back and plays like Jesus like 2671 03:46:30.079 --> 03:46:33.959 we already saw this scene basically, yeah, with different people, different time. 2672 03:46:39.600 --> 03:46:43.520 Oh yeah I didn't. Oh yeah, yeah, he's in halfa is 2673 03:46:43.719 --> 03:46:52.239 Automond the sante Uh with Jack Nicholson and Danny DeVito. That's a weird fucking 2674 03:46:52.319 --> 03:47:00.799 movie. Sure, sure is weird fucking case. That is true. Stay 2675 03:47:00.840 --> 03:47:11.319 there and artresses to sunting. What are you coming around for after three years? 2676 03:47:11.399 --> 03:47:20.520 You want to talk? You don't make it all better, do we? 2677 03:47:20.600 --> 03:47:37.520 Nobody's sorry for looking He's so The The story here is that they were 2678 03:47:37.559 --> 03:47:41.399 together, right, they were together. He went out to the war, 2679 03:47:41.280 --> 03:47:45.879 he came back with a limp, and he feels sorry for himself, and 2680 03:47:46.000 --> 03:47:52.879 so he let his relationship with her go. Poor lieutenant on their bat. 2681 03:47:52.959 --> 03:47:56.799 Now he's back and he's like, you know what I need that tang poor 2682 03:47:56.879 --> 03:48:07.159 Lieutenant Dan Forest, correct Mary Sineeze, Ladies and gentlemen. Oh it's Tom 2683 03:48:07.239 --> 03:48:13.879 wake Tom wa and I fast forward. It's like someone went to Emerson with 2684 03:48:13.879 --> 03:48:20.399 he probably did. He looks drunk and high, and like every he looks 2685 03:48:20.399 --> 03:48:24.799 like he's every tendition we went to drunk college. He looks like he's pretending 2686 03:48:24.879 --> 03:48:28.360 to be drunken high, right, exactly, much like all the kids we 2687 03:48:28.399 --> 03:48:33.399 wanted to call the musicians we went to college with, right pretending he doesn't 2688 03:48:33.479 --> 03:48:37.840 want the attention of girls. But right, right, but it's all part 2689 03:48:37.879 --> 03:48:41.600 of trying to get But pretending he doesn't want their attention is part of getting 2690 03:48:41.639 --> 03:48:50.559 their attention. Jesus Sante is such a creep. He's still following again. 2691 03:48:50.680 --> 03:48:54.000 Archer down the street doesn't want anything to do with you. Man. Oh 2692 03:48:54.440 --> 03:48:58.799 but this is there's no me too happening here. It's correct. There's the 2693 03:48:58.879 --> 03:49:03.120 forties, it's it's the men saying me too. Please Yet me next is 2694 03:49:03.159 --> 03:49:11.959 more like a nest me now. I don't want to be forgotten again, 2695 03:49:13.000 --> 03:49:18.319 an archer says, with her powdered red lips. That's exactly what Shiv said 2696 03:49:18.319 --> 03:49:31.479 to Logan Roy. Shiv's fucking Greg ganya bitch ass boyfriend. Oh my god, 2697 03:49:31.040 --> 03:49:37.239 he's totally Greg. Oh shit, that is fucking fun of us, 2698 03:49:37.319 --> 03:49:46.040 Nelly Minnesotan, He's he's insufferable. That fucking correct. It's like an archer 2699 03:49:46.159 --> 03:49:52.239 might be warming to or Monday Sunday. She needs the Sunday. She needs 2700 03:49:52.280 --> 03:49:58.559 to be the infernomo of on Amma Sunday. Thank you for that. Another 2701 03:49:58.559 --> 03:50:00.920 they're making out all of a sudden. I don't know that, he said, 2702 03:50:00.959 --> 03:50:05.799 but it worked. Get in there, Get in there. Mmm, 2703 03:50:05.399 --> 03:50:11.479 I'll tell you feel it. I didn't appreciate that this movie was so it 2704 03:50:11.600 --> 03:50:15.479 features wrestling and Terry Funk prominently, but it's really only twenty five percent of 2705 03:50:15.520 --> 03:50:20.280 the movie. Oh it's nothing, it's fucking Nothing's kind of annoyed by it. 2706 03:50:20.360 --> 03:50:22.360 Yeah, it is annoyed. I don't care about the story. I 2707 03:50:22.399 --> 03:50:24.520 wanted to see more wrestling. That's kind of what I was saying when you 2708 03:50:24.559 --> 03:50:26.319 asked me, you know if I watched this, It's like, yeah, 2709 03:50:26.319 --> 03:50:28.520 I watched it, but I kind of just watched the wrestling scenes. I 2710 03:50:28.559 --> 03:50:33.559 didn't really sit sit down and try to take it in as a movie an 2711 03:50:33.639 --> 03:50:35.479 intertality. Wrestling is actually a very pretty small part of this movie, and 2712 03:50:35.479 --> 03:50:39.000 I remember it being a much larger part. Yeah, I mean well, 2713 03:50:39.200 --> 03:50:43.440 because they also make it like it's it's promoted as being a big part of 2714 03:50:43.479 --> 03:50:48.879 the movie, but it's not at all. Right, Oh, the other 2715 03:50:48.000 --> 03:50:52.479 Creeper brother a fire escape. Watch this, this is great. The window 2716 03:50:52.520 --> 03:50:56.159 is absolutely clear, right, completely clear. But he's kind of fucking wipe 2717 03:50:56.239 --> 03:51:01.440 it down. No, that was bad. It is crystal fucking clear. 2718 03:51:01.879 --> 03:51:05.319 Basically looks like there's no window there. Right, You couldn't right, that's 2719 03:51:05.360 --> 03:51:13.440 the thing. But he knows Old Lenny has been sticking his cane in ann 2720 03:51:13.600 --> 03:51:16.600 archer. Oh that's an archer's window. Oh yeah, he likes to go 2721 03:51:16.760 --> 03:51:20.239 up there sometimes help steps from mound to Sunday adjusting his tie. Must have 2722 03:51:20.319 --> 03:51:26.680 had success last night. Does it ever not rain in Hell's kitchen every fucking 2723 03:51:26.799 --> 03:51:31.159 day? Not forty six? Man? God damn. Also, look for 2724 03:51:31.239 --> 03:51:33.719 the fucking main. Look at the bus there. That is definitely a modern 2725 03:51:33.840 --> 03:51:37.159 bus. Good call, good catch. I saw a bunch of these things, 2726 03:51:37.239 --> 03:51:39.479 like because they get these cars. I was like, how do they 2727 03:51:39.639 --> 03:51:41.639 you know? I wanted to look to see if there are any flubs. 2728 03:51:41.680 --> 03:51:46.079 Look, that's definitely modern cars driving by. Yeah, yeah, you're right, 2729 03:51:46.239 --> 03:51:54.040 modern tax season stuff. Yeah. Oh well, not so good with 2730 03:51:54.200 --> 03:52:01.399 the lockdown of the streets. Guys didn't pull permits right, Oh, must 2731 03:52:01.440 --> 03:52:03.520 be on the paradise side and they're on the hillside. I would say, 2732 03:52:03.600 --> 03:52:11.440 so, justn't have a front door, Sly, you have to go up 2733 03:52:11.440 --> 03:52:16.200 the fire escape and bang on her window. He's a creeper. He's quizzing 2734 03:52:16.200 --> 03:52:20.280 an archer about what he did with his brother, what she did with my 2735 03:52:20.399 --> 03:52:28.639 brother Johnny. No, don't tell me that you by smoke you with everybody. 2736 03:52:30.280 --> 03:52:33.639 If Linda were alive, you take two planes to get across it. 2737 03:52:33.559 --> 03:52:35.479 Yeah, this is the time of the year. I get really sad when 2738 03:52:35.639 --> 03:52:43.559 Christmas comes up because it's so far away. Oh we got nine months, 2739 03:52:43.600 --> 03:52:48.920 Bell, nine months. If a baby can happen between now and Christmas. 2740 03:52:48.639 --> 03:52:52.520 This woman who lives below Ann Archer was trying to call out Slict alone for 2741 03:52:52.600 --> 03:52:54.479 harassing her, and she said, I'll call the cops, and he goes, 2742 03:52:54.520 --> 03:52:58.799 oh, break your face now, sly, she's really going to call 2743 03:52:58.879 --> 03:53:05.879 the cops just grounds now, Yeah right, I mean threat, and Archer 2744 03:53:05.959 --> 03:53:11.920 closes her conspicuously crystal clear window. I know, like, I mean, 2745 03:53:11.079 --> 03:53:13.879 just stay there, watch your change. I mean, you're that's what you're 2746 03:53:13.879 --> 03:53:20.280 doing anyway, you creep in her fucking nighty, he says, I'm sensitive. 2747 03:53:22.159 --> 03:53:28.559 Laugh. I think these are all kind of jabs to critics from Rocky 2748 03:53:28.639 --> 03:53:31.600 one. Yeah no, not from Rocky one, but who the critics who? 2749 03:53:31.719 --> 03:53:39.159 Who? Who kind of jump on his ass after Rocky fascinating? Like 2750 03:53:39.319 --> 03:53:43.239 it just this makes sense. Why is she with him? Why is why 2751 03:53:43.440 --> 03:53:50.280 is Joyce and Ingles with Stallone when he's trying to fuck the other woman. 2752 03:53:50.319 --> 03:53:52.520 I don't get it. Yeah, there's just like a coin falls on the 2753 03:53:52.559 --> 03:53:56.399 street and she walks into the frame and we're asked to insert her into the 2754 03:53:56.520 --> 03:54:05.600 narrative with no guidance. Well, she's nice enough to meet sliced alone on 2755 03:54:05.680 --> 03:54:11.120 a fucking roof somewhere, right, This fucking baby of a man, he's 2756 03:54:11.159 --> 03:54:20.559 he's rather detestable as a character. He absolutely is gonna get out of this 2757 03:54:20.680 --> 03:54:24.639 place, et cetera, et cetera. Meanwhile, don't understand. Meanwhile, 2758 03:54:24.760 --> 03:54:28.360 somebody and uh in Westchester County's like, I gotta get out of this town. 2759 03:54:28.399 --> 03:54:30.520 I gotta go to New York City. Yeah, yeah, right, 2760 03:54:30.600 --> 03:54:41.079 exactly exactly. You don't understand, You don't want stand Now did you cover 2761 03:54:41.200 --> 03:54:43.719 this? Did Joyce Ingles meet him on this set? I believe so? 2762 03:54:43.879 --> 03:54:52.440 Yeah? Did that happen once before? Under this cemt A Trist on screen? 2763 03:54:52.639 --> 03:55:00.760 You see a Trist on a screen saying with muscles, no jingle all 2764 03:55:00.760 --> 03:55:05.680 the way, No, no, no, no, yeah, Goldberg is 2765 03:55:05.799 --> 03:55:09.200 that's what it was, goldbrig and his strip her wife. Oh yeah, 2766 03:55:09.360 --> 03:55:13.319 right right right, Goldberg met his wife right with his head between her legs. 2767 03:55:13.399 --> 03:55:15.559 That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2768 03:55:16.479 --> 03:55:22.760 but they didn't fuck on on like during shooting though. What about Shelley 2769 03:55:22.840 --> 03:55:28.399 Daval She didn't have relations with somebody in the cast. She had been dumped 2770 03:55:28.479 --> 03:55:33.799 by by Kubrick. No, no, no, she wasn't dating Kubrick. 2771 03:55:33.000 --> 03:55:37.079 She was dating Paul Simon. Oh sorry, and he dumped it right before 2772 03:55:37.159 --> 03:55:41.200 she went on there, right, Kubrick totally psychologically tortured her. But yes, 2773 03:55:41.520 --> 03:55:48.479 yes, and I mean we also had the girl in uh, the 2774 03:55:48.760 --> 03:55:52.719 the woman in A Night in the City who plays the girlfriend of the lead 2775 03:55:52.840 --> 03:55:54.840 guy, but they didn't again have it. There was nothing having on set, 2776 03:55:54.920 --> 03:56:01.879 but she had the relationship with jfk yep. So we had to watch 2777 03:56:01.959 --> 03:56:07.120 joy singles and SLI make out with absolutely no emotional investment of the characters, 2778 03:56:07.520 --> 03:56:13.600 just emotional investment in themselves. Now they can still see their breath if you 2779 03:56:13.680 --> 03:56:20.040 keep keeping track. Yeah, yeah, okay, So I said something offensive 2780 03:56:20.040 --> 03:56:24.319 about her his Chinese girlfriend. He's shoved slide and said, hey, then 2781 03:56:24.399 --> 03:56:26.719 she's Chinese. I don't know because he called her Sue. Your name is 2782 03:56:26.760 --> 03:56:33.079 Susan. He called her Sue. See, oh it isn't like se isn't 2783 03:56:33.159 --> 03:56:37.239 chop suey American American. I mean, I don't. I mean, but 2784 03:56:37.479 --> 03:56:45.319 it's there. I mean, I don't know wrestling can be a passport out 2785 03:56:45.319 --> 03:56:48.200 of this town. Look at the cobblestone streets with the the streetcar rail still 2786 03:56:48.280 --> 03:56:52.000 visible. They filmed in Iowa. By the way, this film, you 2787 03:56:52.040 --> 03:56:54.200 know, none of this was filmed in There was some Stuft film in New 2788 03:56:54.239 --> 03:56:56.280 York, but a lot of it also filmed in Iowa. A lot of 2789 03:56:56.319 --> 03:56:58.920 these older buildings they get to film in Iowa only. Shit, really, 2790 03:57:00.559 --> 03:57:09.360 yeah, something like that. I believe I read how long have you been 2791 03:57:09.399 --> 03:57:13.600 an ice man? Sly asks Victor val Kilmer is not in this movie. 2792 03:57:13.600 --> 03:57:24.239 I don't know what you're talking about, right since I was twelve, all 2793 03:57:24.319 --> 03:57:30.879 right, So don't be wasting your time looking for something that ain't there. 2794 03:57:30.959 --> 03:57:35.319 Victor Sly says, it is. It is Chinese, but it's also American, 2795 03:57:35.440 --> 03:57:39.040 Chinese, Philippine, Chinese, Canadian, Chinese, German, Chinese, 2796 03:57:39.239 --> 03:57:48.479 Indian, Chinese. Oh that's clear. Yeah, I don't This is definitely 2797 03:57:48.479 --> 03:57:52.440 an Iowa seen by how bundled up they are. Yeah, Victor going into 2798 03:57:52.600 --> 03:57:56.719 his work at the Knickerbocker Ice Company. There we go. Yeah, but 2799 03:57:56.799 --> 03:58:01.079 it's new York Sat. You have they do that shit? The fucking that's 2800 03:58:01.159 --> 03:58:03.799 the devil's face from the Wrestling Matter, isn't it? Okay? We're back 2801 03:58:03.840 --> 03:58:13.200 at Paradise, Sally though it's empty, must not be bar hours slides coming 2802 03:58:13.239 --> 03:58:20.440 in with Victor inquiring about promoter. I think very much like uh, Don 2803 03:58:20.520 --> 03:58:30.559 Carndal, very much like it. N Canoe Ling. Yeah, whoo? 2804 03:58:30.920 --> 03:58:37.520 Who are the rats everywhere? That's that's the that's the world we live in 2805 03:58:37.559 --> 03:58:54.639 here. Absolutely rats around every fucking corner. Fans the guy who fucking beat 2806 03:58:54.719 --> 03:59:07.000 you, you fans. Let's see her checking out the friend McCray asking how 2807 03:59:07.040 --> 03:59:09.159 good is it to be a wrestler? We want to know we're checking out 2808 03:59:16.319 --> 03:59:26.600 m hm hm as long as he's been saving. He also kind of reminds 2809 03:59:26.639 --> 03:59:33.520 me of he's got the he u uh Victor, he's got the vocal quality 2810 03:59:33.799 --> 03:59:43.319 and delivery of a young what's his name? Oh fucking christis in friends? 2811 03:59:43.440 --> 03:59:50.399 Vettie Coyle, Uh, you know, bald guy. I can't think of 2812 03:59:50.440 --> 03:59:54.079 his name. He's on Raymond too. Everyone loves Raymond, Brad Garrett, 2813 03:59:54.079 --> 03:59:56.639 Oh, Peter Boyle, Peter Boyle. Yeah, it kind of reminds me 2814 03:59:56.680 --> 04:00:01.680 Peter Boyle. Yeah, there's but he's telling him, you need you need 2815 04:00:01.760 --> 04:00:05.040 a handler, someone you can handle. So this is where he stays. 2816 04:00:05.079 --> 04:00:09.920 He stays in a dingy fucking right, that's what wrestlers do, engine room 2817 04:00:11.280 --> 04:00:16.440 somewhere. They just put him in a fucking corner with a correct bed and 2818 04:00:16.719 --> 04:00:28.680 a couple of portraits on the wall because he's a wrestler's fucking cattle. Okay, 2819 04:00:28.799 --> 04:00:33.559 So slies handling to the Victor's handler. We need handlers, and I'm 2820 04:00:33.600 --> 04:00:39.040 not talking about Chelsea. Well, they may be in Chelsea. They could 2821 04:00:39.079 --> 04:00:43.639 be in Chelsea. It is true. The run us on this true in 2822 04:00:43.760 --> 04:00:50.159 the lab Coat and that one. I thought they didn't take a war all 2823 04:00:50.200 --> 04:00:58.120 black, old school glass milk jug there on a. Sunte's I'm sorry, 2824 04:00:58.280 --> 04:01:03.000 this movie isn't fucking film. Then I mistook it. It's not this film, 2825 04:01:03.120 --> 04:01:05.840 it's a it's the fucking fist movie that was filmed in Iowa. Okay, 2826 04:01:07.280 --> 04:01:11.920 So we're looking at New York then forcing myself to see Iowa in these 2827 04:01:11.959 --> 04:01:18.079 scenes and it's not working away. So I'm sorry Ducane and Ducane for fucking 2828 04:01:20.440 --> 04:01:30.200 fist of ball's going. Victor's saying, h you are Amanda Sante, you 2829 04:01:30.239 --> 04:01:37.440 would be a good handler. You are Amando Sun's exactly you, Amanda, 2830 04:01:41.120 --> 04:01:50.879 You are Amanda Sunthing. You are a champion handler. Fucking love it. 2831 04:01:54.200 --> 04:01:58.159 I wonder if something happened to him made his voice sound funny. Oh, 2832 04:01:58.200 --> 04:02:05.719 it sounds totally different. Now. Yeah, let's see. Let's see what 2833 04:02:05.799 --> 04:02:11.479 happened to him in his personal life. If you had cancer or something, 2834 04:02:11.520 --> 04:02:18.639 and I'm to see, I'm not sure Assante wants to coach Victor or be 2835 04:02:18.719 --> 04:02:26.159 his handler rather, not yet, not yet. Look at this this guy 2836 04:02:26.239 --> 04:02:30.200 telling I bought an electric ice box. It works very very well. No 2837 04:02:30.319 --> 04:02:35.000 more ice customer for you. It's right, it's over, now, it's 2838 04:02:35.079 --> 04:02:41.319 over. He's running a video rental store in twenty twenty one. The ice 2839 04:02:41.399 --> 04:02:48.840 box took your job. Go train and go learn how to code, Victor, 2840 04:02:48.559 --> 04:02:52.840 Yeah, exactly, go fucking I guess what you've just been taking away 2841 04:02:52.879 --> 04:02:58.200 by a computer, daddy. That's what's happening, baby. The computer is 2842 04:02:58.239 --> 04:03:03.040 going to deliver the ice now, daddy. How ironic you perspire like a 2843 04:03:03.120 --> 04:03:09.799 motherfucker pulling a block of ice on it right stairs, melting. Oh, 2844 04:03:09.840 --> 04:03:13.200 look at that, it's sucking, pouring out like someone fucking gig. The 2845 04:03:13.319 --> 04:03:37.520 damn thing, the boom bow bare bert no ice today, something fucking puts 2846 04:03:37.559 --> 04:03:39.360 a sign up there? Could you put it at the bottom of the stairs 2847 04:03:39.479 --> 04:03:46.760 next time? Right? Oh? In considering watch this, watch this slow 2848 04:03:46.879 --> 04:03:50.639 motion. Here we go, Yo, he just throws the block of ice 2849 04:03:50.719 --> 04:03:54.479 down the stairs. He is pissed off for it. Wait for it, 2850 04:03:54.000 --> 04:04:00.959 lucky shot here. I'll tell you that boom fucking thing explode. That's incredible. 2851 04:04:01.280 --> 04:04:03.440 I mean, I don't know if they planned in some kind of a 2852 04:04:03.559 --> 04:04:09.280 squib underneath it when it hit, But this is the first thing they shot 2853 04:04:09.280 --> 04:04:11.840 in the movie. By the way. Oh, that's the scene he was 2854 04:04:11.920 --> 04:04:18.840 talking about, can't, can't whatever his name is, Victor, Victor, 2855 04:04:20.200 --> 04:04:24.479 Victor when in his in his in that interview, Can you bend a pipe 2856 04:04:24.559 --> 04:04:28.520 like that? No? Oh, I guess it depends what it's made of. 2857 04:04:30.120 --> 04:04:31.000 Yeah, it's made of a fucking styrophum. I can do it. 2858 04:04:31.079 --> 04:04:35.559 Great. It's made out of the same thing that you make straws out of. 2859 04:04:35.079 --> 04:04:41.200 Maybe yeah, and then I can totally bend it. Why did you 2860 04:04:41.239 --> 04:04:43.680 just throw an old toilet in the ocean. This is how he's working out 2861 04:04:43.760 --> 04:04:46.840 to prepare for his matches. Cough with this ship. Not joking, this 2862 04:04:48.040 --> 04:04:52.239 is it, this is so yeah. He run up the stare manage the 2863 04:04:52.280 --> 04:04:54.399 guy huh right up the stairs of the public library or something. No, 2864 04:04:54.840 --> 04:05:01.280 no, but that mom can someday can just wagle around with his cane. 2865 04:05:01.319 --> 04:05:09.520 Ah, that's right, I can do that. I am armand a Sunday. 2866 04:05:11.639 --> 04:05:22.000 I knew it. Get ready, I have come. They'll take over 2867 04:05:24.559 --> 04:05:35.879 armand a Sunday Enterprises. So sly and Armand continue to Oh my god, 2868 04:05:37.000 --> 04:05:39.319 he's doing very well. He's got like one, say, one, two, 2869 04:05:39.559 --> 04:05:41.959 three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 2870 04:05:43.159 --> 04:05:48.719 ten, ten movies either completed or in post production? Does Armanda Sante and 2871 04:05:48.760 --> 04:06:01.959 I don't think any of them matter? Sounds about right? Yeah? Oh 2872 04:06:01.399 --> 04:06:03.600 shit, I said, I'm in this just for the money, all right, 2873 04:06:03.639 --> 04:06:09.239 And our mind comes back with aren't you always you always act a paradise 2874 04:06:09.319 --> 04:06:16.799 alley empty ring? Hey, that's Don Carnotle behind the bar. What yep? 2875 04:06:20.440 --> 04:06:31.840 Really almost positive? Don car Noodle? How do they have? Just 2876 04:06:33.000 --> 04:06:37.760 absolute embarrassment? That's poor guy put to work sweeping the floor of the club, 2877 04:06:37.719 --> 04:06:43.280 Like here's your main eventor that's different. Man, You were just a 2878 04:06:43.319 --> 04:06:48.319 fucking circus animal. You just you weren't a main eventor you were just you 2879 04:06:48.399 --> 04:06:52.959 were a flavor of the mom the guy most likely to be able to beat 2880 04:06:52.040 --> 04:06:56.520 up anybody off the street and take their money. And now we get somebody 2881 04:06:56.559 --> 04:07:07.200 else who do the thing. Apparently good nicest guy's voice. See here, 2882 04:07:07.760 --> 04:07:11.079 he does look familiar. Council guy who's in the Godfather. But I don't 2883 04:07:11.120 --> 04:07:16.360 know if that's him or not. A lot of long cigarette drags in this 2884 04:07:16.479 --> 04:07:22.959 movie. Oh yeah, yeah, all right, Victor is back in the 2885 04:07:22.079 --> 04:07:28.520 ring, now shirtless this time. Get this. They're calling his secret move 2886 04:07:28.840 --> 04:07:33.879 the ice clamp. There you go, bell sounds. We're underway here at 2887 04:07:33.879 --> 04:07:39.280 Paradise Alley. And that is who is that? I recognize him? Is 2888 04:07:39.319 --> 04:07:41.200 that? I don't know? I don't know. Here, watch we'll watch 2889 04:07:41.319 --> 04:07:48.200 for it. I'll tell you when it happens for DBA at least watch watches 2890 04:07:48.239 --> 04:07:50.959 the face. Oh yeah, there is money, money, money biting the 2891 04:07:50.079 --> 04:07:56.719 nose. Here comes Calondal. I think into the buckle. Right hand is 2892 04:07:56.719 --> 04:08:01.079 Antoni and Noki power slam Stakiniski. That is that was that Kelly? That 2893 04:08:01.159 --> 04:08:07.120 was Kelly Kiniski? Yea till it's a whirl. I meant that Harley no, 2894 04:08:07.799 --> 04:08:11.559 that a rope in vertil he takes off might be Bob root up. 2895 04:08:13.920 --> 04:08:18.079 Looks like is that Rick Dogginson or something? And I can't tell you kick 2896 04:08:18.120 --> 04:08:22.920 off take the big bump. Wow, he looks like a real pro with 2897 04:08:22.959 --> 04:08:26.760 those kneepads. Yep, front facelock work in the front headlock. Now is 2898 04:08:26.840 --> 04:08:31.959 Victor? His opponent lifts him up northern light souplex style deposits and face first 2899 04:08:31.000 --> 04:08:41.760 in the canvas. Hand raised Victor Winstor Victors again, kids salam me armand 2900 04:08:41.799 --> 04:08:46.799 has an idea for him to actually wear a Salammi around his neck. Yeah, 2901 04:08:46.879 --> 04:08:50.280 he's a salammis Ray Stevens right, Yep? I don't know that's kick 2902 04:08:50.360 --> 04:08:54.520 Murdock. No no, yeahs Murdoch. Ray Stevens is coming up that roope. 2903 04:08:54.680 --> 04:08:58.159 No no, no, I don't know what roope looks like. I've 2904 04:08:58.159 --> 04:09:01.280 never seen him before. I can call them Monday getting shoved to the can 2905 04:09:03.520 --> 04:09:11.920 another bomb, all these scrapplers getting moments in the sun. Hi back body 2906 04:09:13.000 --> 04:09:20.159 drop nicely, it's hip toss. I'm gonna give your hip towels. So 2907 04:09:20.239 --> 04:09:33.239 it's a montage of Victor running through the comp talent. HI backbody drop Terry 2908 04:09:33.319 --> 04:09:37.360 Funk watching on menacingly from the audience. Ice Clamp put it on. So 2909 04:09:37.440 --> 04:09:43.040 it's like a nerve hold, nerve hold, little classy deep crotch lifting slam 2910 04:09:43.120 --> 04:09:45.959 and little hip towels. That's right, they're doing. They're doing the proper 2911 04:09:46.000 --> 04:09:48.879 slams. Some good training. I look at that clean to the hand, 2912 04:09:50.000 --> 04:09:52.360 the hands on the hips. Yeah, this is good stuff. So the 2913 04:09:52.399 --> 04:09:58.120 block take down another bomb yep, blood splattered face of victors. He drives 2914 04:10:00.000 --> 04:10:03.360 olders into the gut, hauls off of the right hand, peeling off the 2915 04:10:03.399 --> 04:10:09.879 Benjamin's form on that fucking pay days guy, Captain mcgate, get that pay 2916 04:10:11.760 --> 04:10:16.559 that's right. This was all about the payday. And it is hard to 2917 04:10:16.680 --> 04:10:20.200 keep up with who these wrestlers are. Oh, I know, because they 2918 04:10:20.239 --> 04:10:22.479 don't show their faces. They just show their bodies. They hardly. Yeah, 2919 04:10:22.479 --> 04:10:28.000 it's like like Deep said, it's kind of blinking your messing moments. 2920 04:10:31.840 --> 04:10:39.120 Wow. They keep peeling off the bills here. That's right. That victors 2921 04:10:39.159 --> 04:10:43.920 are drawn. It's like Peter Dinklage, what was it now, I don't 2922 04:10:43.920 --> 04:10:52.000 know, big right fire spat rabs whoever that is by the hair the gallet 2923 04:10:52.120 --> 04:11:01.399 rather action. This is fucking not down, drag out, fucking full your 2924 04:11:01.440 --> 04:11:11.879 eyes out battling the The last match is actually, you know, for for 2925 04:11:11.120 --> 04:11:16.319 film wrestling sequences is pretty good, right, I think somebody fun it's under 2926 04:11:16.360 --> 04:11:22.760 the cinemat develops. You know what are the best most Stevens watch him, 2927 04:11:22.840 --> 04:11:26.280 watch him, big forearms, below fore arms, his Victor's trapped corner to 2928 04:11:26.360 --> 04:11:37.280 corners on that fucking silver screen, you bitch, that's how you show them 2929 04:11:37.319 --> 04:11:39.680 that you can go inside out in the corner turn buckle, yes, show 2930 04:11:39.760 --> 04:11:43.920 them that you can reach a higher level of spectacle and that squared circle. 2931 04:11:43.399 --> 04:11:50.799 Ray Stevens backstage now Victor bloodied, sweaty, but victorious, with salami all 2932 04:11:50.840 --> 04:11:54.799 over him. You see that's right? Yeah, he's he's a Sammy made 2933 04:11:54.840 --> 04:12:00.040 him a fucking shawl of salami to wear to the ring. I should you 2934 04:12:00.200 --> 04:12:05.920 not? That's what you do say. Armand is getting a little uh, 2935 04:12:05.639 --> 04:12:09.680 he's liking this. Yea, he's gonna he's getting a little vincent him as 2936 04:12:09.719 --> 04:12:15.319 he looks like him. You don't like to sign a blood kid. You're 2937 04:12:15.360 --> 04:12:18.719 on the wrong racket, he tells his own brother. That's right as it 2938 04:12:18.799 --> 04:12:26.079 regards the exploits of their mutual brother. He's only he's nobody. He didn't 2939 04:12:26.120 --> 04:12:28.959 fucking matter. Hey, it's fucking Slide's fault. Armand knew he didn't want 2940 04:12:28.959 --> 04:12:33.239 to get into this. We're seeing why now because he can't get out. 2941 04:12:41.319 --> 04:12:45.639 He is in Victor is correct, man, that's Joe. Okay, okay, 2942 04:12:45.719 --> 04:12:50.920 home on Victor reporting that he's feeling a little disoriented. Might might as 2943 04:12:50.959 --> 04:12:58.639 well go through the concussion protocol. Where's doctor Black? Yeah? Oh yeah, 2944 04:12:58.000 --> 04:13:01.639 all right? Oh fuck yes. So the guy who plays the clown 2945 04:13:01.840 --> 04:13:07.040 right, all right? That is u Joe Spinnell. And I thought it 2946 04:13:07.120 --> 04:13:11.239 might be him. I don't know him by name, but he's in The 2947 04:13:11.360 --> 04:13:16.239 Godfather and Godfather Part two. He plays will Chee Chee. He's also in 2948 04:13:20.840 --> 04:13:26.520 He's in Rocky and Rocky two playing Gottso he's in Taxi Driver. This guy 2949 04:13:26.639 --> 04:13:30.159 is, he's in. He's in a bunch of Stallone used him up for 2950 04:13:30.200 --> 04:13:41.000 a bunch of shit. We got Nighthawks. I guess that might be one 2951 04:13:41.000 --> 04:13:46.079 of the last ones with Stallone. But still, yeah, history solved. 2952 04:13:48.280 --> 04:13:56.239 Armano Spinell he's dead, yeah, eighty nine, age of fifty two. 2953 04:13:56.399 --> 04:14:00.440 So Armand just told him he's going to take him up for cheesecake to celebrate. 2954 04:14:00.559 --> 04:14:05.879 Now this tap dancer boy delivered the towels. Is this supposed to be 2955 04:14:05.920 --> 04:14:13.079 Christmas Eves? Is this a Christmas movie? Tom Waite's showing its true colors 2956 04:14:13.120 --> 04:14:24.280 here? Oh yeah, So this is the guy the no Terry Funk's mob 2957 04:14:24.360 --> 04:14:30.719 handler. Wherever the fuck he is, Stitch Stitch, thank you not my 2958 04:14:30.920 --> 04:14:37.719 list, and steps Terry Funk in a box of robe. Look at that 2959 04:14:37.920 --> 04:14:50.079 fucking robe. It's a pretty wild fucking rob he's gout on. I know 2960 04:14:50.280 --> 04:14:52.799 it really is got look at it. Look at the fucking slashes. Look 2961 04:14:52.840 --> 04:15:00.639 at the fucking caverns in his head. Oh yeah, he's cutt and strutton. 2962 04:15:01.799 --> 04:15:05.000 He's trying on a fit. Shame yes, Sarah, fake teeth. 2963 04:15:05.120 --> 04:15:13.600 Is Terry Funk? Frankie? Do I look any older to you than I 2964 04:15:13.680 --> 04:15:20.639 did last year? He looks like Whitey Boulger. This guy Frank Kevin Conway. 2965 04:15:20.239 --> 04:15:24.360 And that's definitely a Ladies and Gentlemen. It's not the Ladies and Gentlemen 2966 04:15:24.399 --> 04:15:31.360 for Paradise Alley, but it's a Ladies and Gentlemen Harry Christmas, what what 2967 04:15:31.440 --> 04:15:35.760 a what a depressing way to spend Christmas Frank hanging around. I was like 2968 04:15:35.799 --> 04:15:41.760 my aunt Dolly. Actually, yeah, does Kevin Conway stitch hanging around the 2969 04:15:41.840 --> 04:15:45.079 same fucking weasels you hang around all the time on Christmas Eve, guy, 2970 04:15:46.879 --> 04:15:50.079 that's what I do. That's just me. Or a sly dressed like Santa. 2971 04:15:50.719 --> 04:15:56.319 He is dressed like Santa. Oh he's getting hot, He's gonna have 2972 04:15:56.360 --> 04:16:00.079 a fucking fight. Oh he stole a mazy Santa Costumey's on the back of 2973 04:16:00.200 --> 04:16:07.959 his jacket. Oh that's awesome. That's fantastic to beat those two guys up 2974 04:16:08.000 --> 04:16:11.319 with his sack. I think they're trying to rip them off though, So 2975 04:16:11.399 --> 04:16:18.079 it's okay, no, sure convenient. Oh, Armanda Sunday just presented. 2976 04:16:19.200 --> 04:16:22.719 My name is Armanda Sunday, and I plan on asking you to marry me, 2977 04:16:23.159 --> 04:16:29.920 and I expect you to say yes. There is no option. We 2978 04:16:30.079 --> 04:16:36.840 don't say no, do artumum Sunday. That beautiful little tree she has? 2979 04:16:37.200 --> 04:16:40.520 How forties? Is that? Oh yeah, Charlie Brown tree before it was 2980 04:16:40.559 --> 04:16:47.719 a punchline. Yep, she's made him. She has made a clay bust 2981 04:16:48.840 --> 04:17:00.879 of Armanda Suntay has an archer. She Catherine O'Hara and Beetleja. So Sly 2982 04:17:00.159 --> 04:17:07.159 is stopped by the home of Joyce ingles given her a gifting a little bit 2983 04:17:07.159 --> 04:17:18.760 like Chloris Leachman here. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen. Indeed, it's perfume. 2984 04:17:19.600 --> 04:17:26.479 Oh. When I think about these decades, I think about people who 2985 04:17:26.559 --> 04:17:30.159 showered like once a week and for the rest of the week put perfume all 2986 04:17:30.159 --> 04:17:34.120 over themselves, you know exactly they covered up. Yes, there is no 2987 04:17:37.440 --> 04:17:44.000 like, there's no actual uh yeah, it's all dirty masking scent. Right, 2988 04:17:48.040 --> 04:17:51.239 would have been a great time to launch AT's body spray. Indeed, 2989 04:17:52.959 --> 04:17:59.120 so they are all exchanging gifts because it's Christmas Eve right, dis avoided Joyce 2990 04:17:59.280 --> 04:18:07.719 invited. He singles to Paradise Alley that sliced alone. You won't go. 2991 04:18:08.159 --> 04:18:14.559 You won't go, go Paracel, you won't go. Maybe I can go 2992 04:18:14.719 --> 04:18:22.559 paras Alle, you know, but come between your lay you know. Oh 2993 04:18:22.799 --> 04:18:33.360 Cosmo, So he's saying to in Archer, the name of the game is 2994 04:18:33.399 --> 04:18:38.360 momentum. This being armand Sunday, armand the Sunday. Yes, the King 2995 04:18:38.440 --> 04:18:42.600 of Momentum. Make it sound like it's like Armanda Sunday for Calvin Klein. 2996 04:18:45.120 --> 04:18:56.440 Armanda Sunday for Calvin Klein, Armanda Sunday uses Kaiser permanente. These two are 2997 04:18:56.559 --> 04:19:02.079 like living embodiments of the baby It's cold outside song. Oh sure, she's 2998 04:19:02.200 --> 04:19:07.360 she's the lead female vocalist on that track and he's the other half. So 2999 04:19:07.440 --> 04:19:12.360 she's telling him if he leaves, don't come back. He says, to 3000 04:19:12.440 --> 04:19:17.559 where I'm climbing now, and you don't like heights? Hey get that? 3001 04:19:17.719 --> 04:19:21.559 Just like that, Armanta Sante see gets the glint in his eye. Oh 3002 04:19:21.639 --> 04:19:25.280 look at that. Well, I do believe that, Yes, that Armanta 3003 04:19:25.360 --> 04:19:30.079 Sante has the right idea. He is becoming an up and coming talent and 3004 04:19:30.079 --> 04:19:36.159 understanding different ways. You know that that's the thing we realize as promoters and 3005 04:19:37.520 --> 04:19:45.000 and as entrepreneurs entertainments, entertainment. We are entertainment providers, entertainment promoters, 3006 04:19:47.319 --> 04:19:55.000 entertainment creators, and well the thing about that is, yeah, we uh, 3007 04:19:55.319 --> 04:20:02.520 you understand there's more to life than family instead exactly exactly, I have 3008 04:20:02.600 --> 04:20:07.239 a lot of pussy. So uh sliced alone's paying a visit to Bearcat right 3009 04:20:07.319 --> 04:20:18.159 here again. Brought him some wine? Or this guy just lives in fucking 3010 04:20:18.319 --> 04:20:22.639 filth. Jesus Christ, look at the man. It just nobody lives well 3011 04:20:22.719 --> 04:20:27.840 here. So I guess Paradise is kind of Wasn't there a new deal happening? 3012 04:20:30.079 --> 04:20:33.239 Dude? This is forties? Yeah? Yeah, I thought, you 3013 04:20:33.319 --> 04:20:38.760 know, a new deal is like thirties. I thought it was like end 3014 04:20:38.799 --> 04:20:44.079 of the war. It was through the war. It was too through the 3015 04:20:44.159 --> 04:20:48.440 war. It was to create employment for people who are left behind. Yeah, 3016 04:20:48.639 --> 04:20:56.879 thirties, so was it was? Was the huh? It was over 3017 04:20:56.040 --> 04:21:00.600 by nineteen forty, so was it? The country? Was the ships again 3018 04:21:00.920 --> 04:21:04.559 in the forties, I wouldn't say in the ships now? And why is 3019 04:21:04.600 --> 04:21:08.280 everyone in this fucking world like living miserable? I mean they're in Hell's kitchen, 3020 04:21:08.399 --> 04:21:11.959 it's I guess it's true. It's kind of a it's not the hip 3021 04:21:12.040 --> 04:21:15.000 place to live like it is now. No, No, it's just a 3022 04:21:15.040 --> 04:21:19.000 haven for for immigrants, for dirt poor immigrants, first generation. Okay. 3023 04:21:19.079 --> 04:21:25.280 Now, for some are destroying property. I mean sliced alone. Just recruited 3024 04:21:25.360 --> 04:21:27.520 McCray to run a truck right through fucking Paradise alley. And they're drunk, 3025 04:21:27.760 --> 04:21:32.280 drunk a skunks. They're laughing their ass off and they're okay, and they 3026 04:21:32.399 --> 04:21:36.920 have no fear of getting their fucking throats cut for acting like this or or 3027 04:21:37.120 --> 04:21:41.559 you know, going to jail for property damage, massive property damage. A 3028 04:21:41.639 --> 04:21:48.239 Christmas friend, McCray says to Stitch, and now he's gonna moon them the 3029 04:21:48.280 --> 04:21:56.719 original kiss my ass club here, boss. I guess so Terry Funk is 3030 04:21:56.760 --> 04:22:03.239 confused, is nonplussed? He really seemed very molested by this. Okay, 3031 04:22:03.280 --> 04:22:07.239 so it still the first time I've seen a man's eye. Stitch takes it 3032 04:22:07.280 --> 04:22:11.120 out on the nearest woman, grabbing her by the neck. Back on the 3033 04:22:11.200 --> 04:22:22.319 docks, Cray's still talking that mess, drunk as a skunk. I guess 3034 04:22:22.360 --> 04:22:26.920 it's nice of stallone to keep McCray company on Christmas Eve, of course. 3035 04:22:32.000 --> 04:22:44.959 I mean it's very generous. I would agree, he says to Stallone. 3036 04:22:45.000 --> 04:22:48.079 You know, I ain't no big deal no more. I've been thinking about 3037 04:22:48.120 --> 04:22:53.120 this for a long time in my mind. Figure out at the words, 3038 04:22:53.159 --> 04:22:56.120 all them things that made me feel good. Yeah, I've been a long 3039 04:22:56.200 --> 04:23:03.440 time ago. Okay, Okay, Randy the ram him and what he's like 3040 04:23:03.520 --> 04:23:10.840 the mickey of this fucking movie. Really, come on, rock I just 3041 04:23:11.000 --> 04:23:18.680 rastle for Room and Board. It's a T shirt. I just I'm writing 3042 04:23:18.719 --> 04:23:21.879 that that's going in there. You can put like Fred McCray on the bottom 3043 04:23:21.959 --> 04:23:26.760 like it's a quote you make I put his character down. Can you make 3044 04:23:26.799 --> 04:23:30.399 a t shirt look like a nighty that someone would that's Clement Moore would have 3045 04:23:30.440 --> 04:23:47.120 worn to bed. Ah. I just I just rastle for room, for 3046 04:23:47.360 --> 04:23:53.040 room and board, and that I feel's happy. McCray proclaims this big glory, 3047 04:23:53.280 --> 04:24:03.840 this is real, it's his character's name. Okay, big A drunk 3048 04:24:03.879 --> 04:24:07.920 Stallone says, let's drive this stupid truck some more. But McCray thinks him 3049 04:24:08.959 --> 04:24:18.399 or being a buddy, Oh, trying to make me feel bad that my 3050 04:24:18.440 --> 04:24:21.840 brothers and the first guy to bit you beat you. And McCray says, 3051 04:24:21.840 --> 04:24:25.399 your brother to beat me. I just don't want no more. That's what 3052 04:24:25.520 --> 04:24:33.639 it is. That's that's it right there, That's that's that's it. Craig 3053 04:24:33.680 --> 04:24:36.079 just took his coat off and slapped a piece of paper and it sliced Alone's 3054 04:24:36.120 --> 04:24:44.520 hands. He's now make his way towards the ocean. Whatever. Yeah, 3055 04:24:44.799 --> 04:24:47.920 you take care of Santa Claus. He says, just jumped in the water. 3056 04:24:48.040 --> 04:24:52.440 Now I'm done. Man. Did he jump with the water? I 3057 04:24:52.520 --> 04:24:56.159 think so? Oh? No, he landed. Oh he's in the trash 3058 04:24:56.280 --> 04:25:07.520 pile of fucking garbage. Wait down, in a hundred years, it's still 3059 04:25:07.520 --> 04:25:11.440 ain't gonna matter none. And then he just jumped in the day and damn 3060 04:25:11.479 --> 04:25:22.680 thing sly stands there and watches him drown. Hm, he's no Jimmy Stewart 3061 04:25:22.799 --> 04:25:26.159 making the dive, just making them say no, he's he's that's very seven. 3062 04:25:26.159 --> 04:25:34.639 He's okay with sing like that before the dissolve. Okay, instead of 3063 04:25:34.680 --> 04:25:37.239 trying to save him, just go right back to the docks, like this 3064 04:25:37.440 --> 04:25:40.840 is so boring. Well, instead of trying to save the guy, he 3065 04:25:41.000 --> 04:25:45.600 just sat on the docks all night next to his drowning site. Apparently. 3066 04:25:47.280 --> 04:25:49.559 But it's also just like this movie just does the same thing over and over 3067 04:25:49.639 --> 04:25:55.000 and over again. Such a good point. That's one of those things that 3068 04:25:55.040 --> 04:26:03.879 once you say it, you can't unsee it. You can't. Let's beak 3069 04:26:03.959 --> 04:26:11.319 Christmas morning. I guess so. I don't know all your thinks, Victor, 3070 04:26:12.360 --> 04:26:19.559 but I am on a mum with some day I come afore it all. 3071 04:26:22.280 --> 04:26:33.120 I have come for the victory. I am art mom a Sunday. 3072 04:26:36.879 --> 04:26:47.879 Okay, looks like they're saying big argument here among the brothers or manse. 3073 04:26:48.000 --> 04:26:48.680 I want to see you rich, I want to see you with your house 3074 04:26:48.719 --> 04:26:52.840 about. Yeah, it's one match. We're going to be some real success. 3075 04:26:52.920 --> 04:26:56.639 Yeah. Well, who's he's got a wrestle? That's right. I 3076 04:26:56.719 --> 04:26:59.680 think we both know who he's got a wrestle. Boss, I think we 3077 04:27:00.120 --> 04:27:03.319 absolutely know who he has to wrestle. There's only one person to wrestle. 3078 04:27:03.360 --> 04:27:15.440 That's Frankie the Thumper. I'm gonna beat him. Goozle me Vic. That's 3079 04:27:15.479 --> 04:27:21.479 a house boat so badly. Guys like us, we don't live in house 3080 04:27:21.600 --> 04:27:27.760 boats. Slice says to his brother, his star star crossed brother on the 3081 04:27:27.840 --> 04:27:45.040 dock, so depressing. The atmosphere is moveful team. He had to talk 3082 04:27:45.120 --> 04:27:48.040 business, so let's talk, all right. So they're across the table from 3083 04:27:48.079 --> 04:27:56.319 Frankie the Thumper and Stitch and they're negotiating terms. Frankie Mune is wondering why 3084 04:27:56.319 --> 04:28:00.799 he's in the middle or in the movie right, take a fucking ballerina back 3085 04:28:00.840 --> 04:28:11.520 there. It's like still pissed about his window getting broken. We have character 3086 04:28:11.639 --> 04:28:19.520 development mm hm. We have text poignancy, art arrested development mm hmm. 3087 04:28:22.319 --> 04:28:32.799 Thousand dollars, and we also have Automobson very much. Ah was the wager 3088 04:28:32.920 --> 04:28:44.799 eight thousand or nine grand? Nine grand? Overbearing function city tears mother's face 3089 04:28:45.200 --> 04:29:02.239 for nine grand. It's overbearing, lovely mother. Yes. Meanwhile, back 3090 04:29:02.280 --> 04:29:08.559 on the double Cross Ranch, m Victor's telling himand I think nothing I can 3091 04:29:08.680 --> 04:29:15.280 win. You can't win. That's not the booking. Roan says, you 3092 04:29:15.399 --> 04:29:18.000 lose this fight. We're finished. I didn't book your damn to win. 3093 04:29:19.079 --> 04:29:22.000 Yeah, that's the thing, Amand you kind of have some control over this. 3094 04:29:22.159 --> 04:29:32.360 This is I have the wimer as automobous sunday, I we win the 3095 04:29:32.520 --> 04:29:38.159 match. Wow, when do you want to set this match? He says, 3096 04:29:38.159 --> 04:29:41.760 tonight. No time for advertisement, no time for promotion. And this 3097 04:29:41.840 --> 04:29:45.840 is not about selling tickets. This is not putting. This is not about 3098 04:29:45.879 --> 04:29:52.200 putting fans and stands. This is about the the action in the ring. 3099 04:29:52.520 --> 04:29:56.799 Look at all those umbrellas huddled outside parade. We'd certainly got out there a 3100 04:29:56.920 --> 04:30:03.399 short, a short promo. Look at that. Oh the ring is a 3101 04:30:03.520 --> 04:30:10.280 puddle. Apparently paradise alley leak in the roof. Yeah, the fucking Salami's 3102 04:30:10.280 --> 04:30:17.760 attacked. It looks like it looks like fucking uh Brando here look at him. 3103 04:30:17.799 --> 04:30:32.040 Oh yeah, total attempt at that comes Michael Hayes. Ha ha ha 3104 04:30:32.200 --> 04:30:37.760 ha Salami tonight, you gotta look like cook Salami. Oh, how fucking 3105 04:30:37.799 --> 04:30:41.840 witty. It's got a buzzer in his hand too, like a fucking forties 3106 04:30:41.879 --> 04:30:59.239 clown sense of foreboding in the locker room a Victor h cosmo armand boom. 3107 04:31:00.719 --> 04:31:07.079 Hey you mean man, you me. Look at all those people cramming to 3108 04:31:07.120 --> 04:31:11.000 get into Paradise Alley, the same people from before. Nobody's been, no 3109 04:31:11.079 --> 04:31:14.760 one made a move an inch. There comes Salami boy, like a fucking 3110 04:31:14.799 --> 04:31:26.319 moron, this stupid salami links hanging off his body. Sli goes, why 3111 04:31:26.319 --> 04:31:30.760 should I be proud? Vict goes, you started everything and it's true. 3112 04:31:30.120 --> 04:31:37.520 I mean you see there Terry Funk wearing the original bron Stroman mask from the 3113 04:31:37.559 --> 04:31:44.159 Wyatt family days, which might have must have just been a horrifying sight to 3114 04:31:44.200 --> 04:31:51.239 see in the forties. Oh my god, I can't imagine talking trash. 3115 04:31:51.280 --> 04:31:57.639 Here's Funk you. I'm gonna eat you. I need the chicken. Take 3116 04:31:57.799 --> 04:32:02.399 I need the chicken. It is pouring rain through the electric lights. I 3117 04:32:02.440 --> 04:32:08.920 don't know how this hasn't already started an electrical fund. It's a fantastic bow. 3118 04:32:10.000 --> 04:32:11.479 Do you agree with that? And I don't know it means to be 3119 04:32:11.559 --> 04:32:15.399 seen, that's true, told no rules will prevail by our announcer, the 3120 04:32:15.440 --> 04:32:25.799 clown man. Look at the old gimmick yep at Terry Funk rip yellow pages 3121 04:32:25.840 --> 04:32:33.680 and half I remember whose gimmick that was. I think he u the biker 3122 04:32:33.799 --> 04:32:38.319 bar. He wore that Helmont at the biker bar. Dude, this is 3123 04:32:38.399 --> 04:32:48.280 exactly what Stan Hanson looks like. A no holds barre the absolutely I mean 3124 04:32:48.319 --> 04:33:07.319 again, I just can't believe how fucking big Terry Funk is here getting the 3125 04:33:07.599 --> 04:33:11.360 How many wins do you say I missed it? I think it's like seventy 3126 04:33:11.400 --> 04:33:18.200 four wins NINUS qualifications. Pressive record for Frankie the Thumper, who's introduced to 3127 04:33:18.360 --> 04:33:26.040 the Paradise Alley Faithful here handled exclusively by Mistress Stitch Mahones. So Mahone owns 3128 04:33:26.080 --> 04:33:30.000 the Mahon's Bar, Yes, he owns everything. He's just the local little 3129 04:33:32.400 --> 04:33:42.799 He's a he's a poor, scrawny version of you know of uh mister Potter. 3130 04:33:44.200 --> 04:33:48.360 Yes, that's what he is, a boy who got to start here 3131 04:33:48.439 --> 04:33:56.400 in Paradise Alley. Victor Ken Kids Salami Kabani. That's right, wherever it 3132 04:33:56.560 --> 04:34:06.200 is, Salami Kurbani. Let's get it going. Get ready, Sly given 3133 04:34:06.279 --> 04:34:10.040 Vicin out if he wants it before the contest. Yep, they've switched places. 3134 04:34:10.119 --> 04:34:15.759 He and He and Money, Paradise Alley and counter well. Sean, 3135 04:34:17.400 --> 04:34:21.479 you know, Sean, the very interesting fact about this is you've got a 3136 04:34:21.680 --> 04:34:30.840 rookie sensation out of Victor Carborni the Salami Glammy, and then you've got Terry 3137 04:34:30.959 --> 04:34:37.080 Funk, Frank the thunder Man, and really intense brawling going to happen. 3138 04:34:37.520 --> 04:34:41.639 Look at that off the coll Ronaldo a single eCos and he goes to work 3139 04:34:41.680 --> 04:34:45.959 in the five big atomic drop. Victor bounces right back up and drives those 3140 04:34:45.959 --> 04:34:51.560 shoulders into the gup. We saw that earlier. Boss and player Matches likes 3141 04:34:51.599 --> 04:34:53.840 to go to the well. He's very effective in the corner. Deep European 3142 04:34:53.919 --> 04:35:00.279 uppercuts straight from Italy. Indeed, they are definitely from the Sicilian coast. 3143 04:35:00.680 --> 04:35:03.919 Top wristlocked by Funk is countered by the hammerlock tossed him out of the ring. 3144 04:35:04.040 --> 04:35:07.119 Victor just tossed him into the front row. Is that it? That's 3145 04:35:07.159 --> 04:35:12.279 it? Bell's ringing? What does this fucking bill wats wc W whoa oh 3146 04:35:12.520 --> 04:35:15.279 it flies in with a drop kit, clipping Victor right in the mush, 3147 04:35:17.959 --> 04:35:21.200 front headlock, digging elbows to the back of the head, vicious shuts left 3148 04:35:21.799 --> 04:35:25.119 European upper. Look at this, he's just he's he's hammerings. You're trying 3149 04:35:25.119 --> 04:35:27.720 to leverage a backdrop over the ropes. The lights are flickering and mix the 3150 04:35:27.840 --> 04:35:34.759 rainfall here is finally these two no to turn his back to the funk or 3151 04:35:34.799 --> 04:35:41.080 and he got waylaid for it. Ring now filling up and splashing. I 3152 04:35:41.119 --> 04:35:45.360 mean, if I dare say this is real wrestling, absolutely, it's like 3153 04:35:45.520 --> 04:35:48.680 a wrestling on a slipping slide out in the backyard. Oh my god. 3154 04:35:48.799 --> 04:35:55.639 Yeah, now we're hearing a bell. Not much in the way of anacation, 3155 04:35:57.439 --> 04:36:03.000 are there rounds? I think rounds do develop over the course of the 3156 04:36:03.080 --> 04:36:08.639 match. That would be very club wrestling at the club. And they're definitely 3157 04:36:08.680 --> 04:36:15.319 being cornered by their respective handlers between rounds. Here, like the record to 3158 04:36:15.400 --> 04:36:19.840 show that's what the bell was for for the round ending. Yes, Like 3159 04:36:19.959 --> 04:36:26.360 the record to show that Stitch wears a gold ring over his black leather glove 3160 04:36:27.400 --> 04:36:30.599 from the headlock to the standing hammerlock, goes Funk deep to the single lake 3161 04:36:30.680 --> 04:36:36.439 pick That's kind of where Flair got the idea, Hu Man, nothing more 3162 04:36:36.520 --> 04:36:40.439 funker than a single lake pickup. Yep, turns it round and digs in 3163 04:36:40.520 --> 04:36:44.319 the end of the toe hold. Splashing on the canvas. Are both men 3164 04:36:44.520 --> 04:36:48.599 up to a dominal stretch in the lights are going out? Here? Is 3165 04:36:48.759 --> 04:36:53.560 is the ECW arena? What's happening? That's true? Has there ever been 3166 04:36:53.799 --> 04:36:57.400 a wrestling arena with a leaky roof before? There's been outdoor shows in the 3167 04:36:57.479 --> 04:37:02.639 rain, but not like this. So Victor frees himself from the abdominal stretch 3168 04:37:02.680 --> 04:37:04.279 of the hip toss, but Terry Funk remains on him with a series of 3169 04:37:04.360 --> 04:37:07.360 knee lifts. Irish whip pulls him into the knee of the gut. And 3170 04:37:07.400 --> 04:37:11.040 we're losing power here, folks. We can only convey so much to you 3171 04:37:11.159 --> 04:37:18.680 if we're even still on the air. That's right. Wow wows the lights 3172 04:37:18.680 --> 04:37:22.560 flicker back on. I believe the bell has sounded, signaling the gain of 3173 04:37:22.599 --> 04:37:29.240 round number two. Victor spent up against those ropes slides alone, complaining about 3174 04:37:29.279 --> 04:37:34.639 fowls by Terry Funk. Fowls should be should be initiated here. They'll have 3175 04:37:34.680 --> 04:37:48.119 to check with the Championship Committee on whether sanctions are forthcoming. So both men 3176 04:37:48.240 --> 04:37:49.759 cornering their respective I think if we just heard Terry Funk say I'm going to 3177 04:37:49.799 --> 04:37:57.240 smash him back to the center, they go, the bell sounds back to 3178 04:37:57.400 --> 04:38:03.159 slower, the Rocky montage. Yeah, it's like the fight sequences and the 3179 04:38:03.200 --> 04:38:08.040 original contenders. Oh Jesus back suplex by Funk. Oh to counter the side 3180 04:38:08.080 --> 04:38:14.520 headlock, beautifully done right in the fucking water Fireman's carry Victor to the Boston 3181 04:38:14.720 --> 04:38:18.040 crab. Wow, Funk with a push up to flip Victor forward to break 3182 04:38:18.080 --> 04:38:22.560 the crab. And now it's double arm underhooks, big butterfly sup fox by 3183 04:38:22.639 --> 04:38:27.840 Victor. That's vintage stuff and it's great, great great spots here. Oh, 3184 04:38:29.560 --> 04:38:33.200 make a splash Russian lake. Sweet. It was a white rush the 3185 04:38:33.279 --> 04:38:40.520 ropes Victor who kind of combined clashing there in their shoulder block. Shoulder block 3186 04:38:40.599 --> 04:38:48.639 there, Funk work in the arm, pardon the pun reins down, an 3187 04:38:48.639 --> 04:38:52.200 elbow to the shoulder of the canvas, hi knee left coming off the ropes 3188 04:38:52.520 --> 04:38:56.880 down goes kind of the Daniel Bryan me, oh, yes, we have 3189 04:38:56.919 --> 04:39:03.200 a flying head scissors because we're fuck him here textbook seventies offense by the Funker, 3190 04:39:03.360 --> 04:39:08.279 whoa blood flying from the mouth of Terry Funk on the descent. I 3191 04:39:08.319 --> 04:39:11.200 wonder what they came up with the idea to do this whole match and splashy 3192 04:39:11.360 --> 04:39:19.279 rain. It's very interesting. Fireman's carry got wrench suplex. Fireman's carry Jesus 3193 04:39:19.360 --> 04:39:22.880 got rench suplex. These guys are just throwing everything but the kitchen sink at 3194 04:39:22.880 --> 04:39:27.599 each other, and that's a big back body drop. Look at the height 3195 04:39:27.919 --> 04:39:37.080 that the Funker gets there, high and tuck. Beautiful, what are round? 3196 04:39:37.159 --> 04:39:40.119 Funk retreats to his corner, as does Victor. Both men blooded and 3197 04:39:40.279 --> 04:39:45.919 spent big debate going on between two of the brothers of Victor in the corner, 3198 04:39:45.919 --> 04:39:48.840 a heated and passionate discussion about whether he should be allowed to continue. 3199 04:39:51.479 --> 04:39:57.919 Bloody up like Jesus, very rocky esque. The between rounds drama side headlock 3200 04:39:57.959 --> 04:40:02.840 now by the Funkers mean age and round number four. I think of Regulations 3201 04:40:04.680 --> 04:40:07.799 four. I'm sure vis to the ribs breaks the headlock, but now the 3202 04:40:07.840 --> 04:40:11.200 funk are just hauling off with two massive left hands. He is just hauling 3203 04:40:11.319 --> 04:40:17.040 off here he is, indeed, Jesus overhands are landing sliced alone has to 3204 04:40:17.080 --> 04:40:21.599 look away, but backdrop to the apron goes. Funk brought in with the 3205 04:40:21.599 --> 04:40:26.439 backdrop side said flip. No referee to count the pinfall. Funk just converted 3206 04:40:26.439 --> 04:40:30.799 to a pin cover off the sunset fliped. No, no one counting pinfalls 3207 04:40:30.799 --> 04:40:37.360 in this environment, fans, this is paradise alley. Ooh, vicious elbow 3208 04:40:37.400 --> 04:40:41.279 drop on a prone Victor. And I believe because qualification has been declared, 3209 04:40:41.279 --> 04:40:45.880 we have some fights breaking out and the stands as well. Yep, this 3210 04:40:45.000 --> 04:40:55.080 synandric a lotta fight. Oh man, why was it disqualification called? I 3211 04:40:55.119 --> 04:41:03.159 don't really know. Stitch talking shit to the Carboni brothers. Everyone is soaking 3212 04:41:03.240 --> 04:41:07.159 wet and the pouring rain. By the way, Oh it's a fucking mess. 3213 04:41:07.279 --> 04:41:10.560 Oh it's a miracle. These guys didn't pull an ankle and twist a 3214 04:41:10.639 --> 04:41:17.840 knee. Oh Victor, Oh, funk office, but away play's into him 3215 04:41:18.479 --> 04:41:22.000 off the whip kind of a side hip throw, deep arm drag textbook stuff 3216 04:41:22.040 --> 04:41:27.840 by Victor. Here these are the great throws deep hip toss. Funk are 3217 04:41:27.919 --> 04:41:34.400 bumping over and over again. Jesus Harley Race wanted this this role. I 3218 04:41:34.599 --> 04:41:38.840 want a damn thing. I want to bump. I wanted to paradise Alley, 3219 04:41:38.919 --> 04:41:41.159 come out of you, side of a bitch, bump the fuck out 3220 04:41:41.200 --> 04:41:48.759 of me. Jesus, wonderful girl. Press slam by Victor. Yeah, 3221 04:41:48.799 --> 04:41:53.319 this is such a more prolonged wrestling action scene than you'd see. Yes, 3222 04:41:55.840 --> 04:42:00.799 and the slam determines the winner. Apparently it does. I believe Victor has 3223 04:42:00.840 --> 04:42:03.240 been declared the victor. Another closing in an old stitch, and that's classic 3224 04:42:03.279 --> 04:42:08.080 wrestling heat get the advantage, all right. They just ripped his pants off 3225 04:42:08.119 --> 04:42:17.360 and he's wearing lingerie stockings and yeah, he's got women's joke. They're not 3226 04:42:17.560 --> 04:42:22.400 mine. It's a joke. What is He's such a fucking what happened exactly 3227 04:42:22.479 --> 04:42:26.000 the Bobby He's in the Bobby heen and weasel suit, is it? Yeah, 3228 04:42:26.759 --> 04:42:36.360 he's wearing women's stockings and underwear. I believe Victor is one. Doesn't 3229 04:42:36.400 --> 04:42:37.919 he look like Vince now armand with his hair down like that? Yeah? 3230 04:42:38.000 --> 04:42:41.919 Right, what are you? What are you doing? You're throwing the match? 3231 04:42:45.959 --> 04:42:49.479 Mhm. If you were going to lose, why did you wait to 3232 04:42:49.560 --> 04:42:55.279 the twenty second round I was born, so he threw the match. What 3233 04:42:55.400 --> 04:42:56.319 happened? He won, but the fun was going to throw the match, 3234 04:42:56.360 --> 04:43:03.680 but he changed his mind. Celebration for the our bony brothers. Think they 3235 04:43:03.759 --> 04:43:07.439 made a fortune that they can blow in a year. As Victor has hoisted 3236 04:43:07.520 --> 04:43:11.720 up by his brothers in victory, and we freeze frame did we do? 3237 04:43:12.159 --> 04:43:21.560 Let's go back to the beginning whom Let's see the list say, we get 3238 04:43:21.560 --> 04:43:23.439 to listen to the cast members here. We got Terry Funk right there as 3239 04:43:23.520 --> 04:43:30.560 we do, Tom waits his mumbles. Uh, let's see here, barroom 3240 04:43:30.599 --> 04:43:34.240 hooker. In case you were wondering, Freddy Freddy your own corner, it's 3241 04:43:34.240 --> 04:43:42.119 actually was just one of the wrestlers. Sorry, yeah, or we are 3242 04:43:42.200 --> 04:43:48.799 wrestlers. John Eyres, Roland Bass, Jean ted d Bias, Vincent Albert 3243 04:43:48.560 --> 04:43:52.959 in the movie, Dorry Funk, Jr. Leo, Don Carnodle, gen 3244 04:43:52.040 --> 04:43:56.319 Kiniski, Larry Lane, Ready Moorese Dick Murdoch, We saw him, Reggie 3245 04:43:56.360 --> 04:44:00.639 Parks, Alex Perez, so it's Alex Press Rock Riddle, Rube Doug, 3246 04:44:00.200 --> 04:44:04.639 this is Ryan, Don slat Smith and Stamp, Johnny Starr, Ray Stevens 3247 04:44:04.959 --> 04:44:12.880 Tongo Yosiato, Jay York and John Zenda. Good luck identifying positively? Yeah 3248 04:44:14.000 --> 04:44:21.599 right at this wrestling wrestling choreography by Terrence Fulk correct. Love it well, 3249 04:44:22.200 --> 04:44:26.319 that is a rap once again here under the cinemat. We will see you 3250 04:44:26.439 --> 04:44:37.040 all next week and we will see you at the movies. But it was 3251 04:44:37.080 --> 04:44:44.000 a succes production of the Lapps Entertainment Group. It's content is intended for private 3252 04:44:44.119 --> 04:44:45.720 use. Hopey understand you don't understand