WEBVTT 1 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:54.079 Tuesday at fifteen pm. If you know anything about Chicago politics, you'll understand 2 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:58.479 why a sixty three year old board captain was braving the ungentle hour and the 3 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:03.679 less gentle streets. You see, Ward Captain Leo J. Ramutkam was returning 4 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.680 home from awake and off reader zame to a loyal, regided voter he knew 5 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.959 would one day meet him in that great polling station in the sky. What 6 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:17.760 Ward Captain romutka fail to foresee was just how soon that meeting would be. 7 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.200 That was the voice of reporter Carl Kolchak in the case they were calling the 8 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:29.400 Nightly Murders. It was the eighteenth episode of The night Stalker, released on 9 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:34.359 March seventh, nineteen seventy five, directed by Vincent McVitty. I thought it 10 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:40.519 was mcgavitty, but I don't know. The only episode that he directed of 11 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:47.200 The night Stalker. Story by Paul Man Megistretti, who I think this was 12 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:51.400 his first gig as a writer. He would go on to a bunch of 13 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:56.200 other stuff, a lot of Barettas and some Simon and Simon's and one of 14 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.519 my favorite things, whiz Kids. And it was also written by Michael Cozelle 15 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.680 Cozole, who would go on to be the author of Richie Brockleman Private Eye, 16 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.159 which I don't know if that lasted more than one episode or nah, 17 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.159 but that was kind of this weird failed spinoff of Colombo, if memory serves 18 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:20.039 so. No, No, that was a spinoff of the Rockford Files. 19 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:24.360 Oh it was because that same guy was in Colombo as like a he wanted 20 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:30.479 to be a detective, but then he wasn't You're right those Bacco and Cannell 21 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:36.439 both working on that, of course by Dennis Dugan, who then went on 22 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.599 to not only be in movies, but he became a director and directed a 23 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:46.039 bunch of Adam Sandler movies and Chris he Richie Brockleman Private Eye qualifies for the 24 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:54.400 one season show just saying that was Zell him and then mc mcvat yeah, 25 00:02:54.479 --> 00:03:00.360 mckevin. He also directed a ton of shit, including a whole bunch of 26 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:05.599 the nineteen nineties Colombo. But the less said about that the better. So 27 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.719 I am joined by Chris Stashu as always Yes, I am here and that 28 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.520 is spelled nightly with a K, not with an end, and also on 29 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.400 this episode as special guest, Richard HadAM. Hey, thanks for having me 30 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:23.039 back, gentlemen. So let's talk about the nightly murders. Yeah, like 31 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:24.639 you said, Chris, this doesn't happen every night, though it seems to 32 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.319 happen every night for a little while. Yes, that would be the way 33 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.479 it seems. Yes, let's talk about it, because I am not going 34 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:38.240 to give my opinion until I hear at least one other opinion who I am 35 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:44.800 on tenter hooks. I really like this episode, and I am willing to 36 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:51.680 explain and then defend my liking of this episode, but I'll say the two 37 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:57.919 things I like about it the best are I like the guest stars John Denner 38 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:03.639 and Hans Conny. I like them a lot, and I and I also, 39 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:10.319 I'm going to say that I actually think that the Black Knight is kind 40 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:16.560 of a badass antagonist and looks pretty cool. I'm not saying it couldn't look 41 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:23.680 cooler, but I think there's always something really awesome about a suit of armor 42 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:29.199 coming at you with the blank mask down and you just don't know what's making 43 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.160 it move, but you know it's going to kill you. So based on 44 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.240 those two things, I'm going to give this a thumbs up. I was 45 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:42.600 so reminded of Scooby Doo whenever I see a suit of armor that is running 46 00:04:42.759 --> 00:05:13.319 after or coming after someone. But like, but in a good way. 47 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.519 You're saying this was this made it good? Right? Oh yeah, of 48 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.639 course I like the guests a lot. Are you going to be mean? 49 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:23.279 Are you going to be mean? Chris? I mean the way that this 50 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:28.199 episode wraps up is one of the worst wrap ups of an episode we've seen 51 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.759 of this show period. Did you read the script? Because I just read 52 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:38.800 the script last night. OMG. This episode opens up in an insane asylum 53 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:45.879 where we've got two sets of legs coming into this room, where we then 54 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.439 reveal that it is Vincenzo and Ron. And then the person who's on the 55 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:56.600 floor turns over and it's Carl and he starts babbling about this black night and 56 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.519 he's in a straight he's in a straight jacket, and Ron course is like, 57 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.040 oh, this is the best that he's dressed in a long time. 58 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:11.199 So his narration because we don't see him narrate the beginning and end, like 59 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.639 we normally would see him sitting at his desk or you know, on a 60 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.519 dock waiting for somebody to pick up his luggage or something like that. But 61 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:24.240 here he is in this insane asylum. And then even at the end they 62 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.519 break the fourth wall because they're like, oh, there's a little camera over 63 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.000 here, Carl. They've been recording you the whole time. You know, 64 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.439 you don't have to worry about getting to your recorder. It's all on tape 65 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:38.199 and they have it on film. And then Vincenzo looks right at the camera, 66 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:43.319 shrugs and walks out. And then Carl looks at the camera and says, 67 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.600 well, you believe me, don't you. It's all true or something 68 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.920 like some Really it's really weird, and I'm I got to say for he, 69 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.360 okay, a couple of weird things. One is so the first scene 70 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:02.000 and then that final scene the book ends of him in a strait jacket in 71 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:09.240 an insane asylum are removed, But then everything else is almost exactly as written, 72 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:14.639 like word for word. The dialogue. I mean, it's incredibly faithful. 73 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.240 I think maybe within those other pages only a couple scenes have been cut 74 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.519 out, and they may have been filmed and then just cut out, But 75 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:28.959 otherwise the dialogue is like ridiculously faithful to what was written. Right, Other 76 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:33.600 than that opening and closing, which are maybe like five pages worth of stuff. 77 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.720 This script runs sixty two pages, and I'm like, I know that 78 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:44.600 they said that with Colchak they would tend to overwrite a little bit because McGavin 79 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.839 liked to have a very rapid fire delivery, so he would compress the time 80 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:53.519 that way. But still sixty two pages, it's a lot. And I 81 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:58.560 will say though that having read now a couple of these scripts, I actually 82 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:03.480 think that in of filmmaking, like like a writer trying to write a visual 83 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.399 piece, that some of these scripts are written at a pretty high level that 84 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:16.120 the actual production never lives up to. It's like, it's like, Okay, 85 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:22.839 that's a nice idea that we would do that reveal or have that angle 86 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.839 or tell the story in that particular visual way, but we don't have the 87 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.480 time or money, so we're just gonna throw a camera at it and film 88 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.759 the scene. Which is kind of sad because clearly, even at this late 89 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.320 date, eighteen episodes in, someone is like, there might be a cool 90 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:46.000 way to actually come into this scene, and they just it just never happens. 91 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:48.159 I'll say what I did read the script. I was just curious if 92 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.120 anyone else had, because the inter a outro would have made this episode ten 93 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:58.679 times better because it would have been different. This is very much stock in 94 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.240 trade Colchack at this point, which is fine. However, the issue I 95 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.279 have is that the way it wraps up is so similar to things we've seen 96 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.759 before that oh, and then all of a sudden, this magical acts kills 97 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.799 the Black Night. Okay, I want a little bit more in the climax 98 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.279 of the episode, That's what I want. There seems to be a little 99 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.440 bit of a disconnect with this episode because there is so much to like in 100 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:30.000 this episode. I don't dislike this episode, but the way the episode wraps 101 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:35.559 up is so rushed and hand fisted, and it's like and then a magical 102 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.879 acts and they're going to be mad at me for destroying their museum. The 103 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.519 end, like whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah yeah. The post killing 104 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:50.720 of the monster beat is literally it's fifteen seconds of just some voice over and 105 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.399 then we're out. And it's funny though, because I always remember, oh, 106 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:00.399 like he I think it is kind of cool and on brand for Track 107 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:05.559 to like not be badass and to almost just barely survive his encounter with the 108 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:13.519 supernatural thing which I really do think is a conscious, constant thing. It's 109 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.159 never cool. He's never in control. He just like can barely do it. 110 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.039 And the fact that he can, he can only like the battle axe 111 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.399 is so heavy he can barely lift it. I always sort of liked it, 112 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.559 but I was also frustrated by it, and I was surprised to see 113 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.000 that it was really mapped out in the script. It was like in the 114 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.759 script, it's like he can barely lift it. He barely gets it up 115 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.840 to his knees, he barely pokes at the suit of armor with it, 116 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.200 and yet apparently somehow bass enough and then and then the suit of armor collapses 117 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.879 onto the edge of or the point of the axe, and that completes the 118 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:58.000 ritual killing, so only a flesh wound. So that that part was like 119 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.200 a little frustrating in the way a lot of the endings are like he never 120 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.759 really just gets to stock the shit out of one of these things. But 121 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.399 yeah, then it wraps up really quick. Here's my thing, though, 122 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.919 Chris, do you think it would have diminished, like in your eyes, 123 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.200 your respect for Coleshack if you literally saw him in a straight jacket. No, 124 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.279 I think it would have been just kind of an interesting twist. I 125 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.320 mean, look, this is the same guy who murdered someone in front of 126 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:28.279 the police. I mean he murdered Scoresny, like straight up killed him and 127 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.480 was essentially just you know, given away Scott Free. So if this show 128 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.519 we're on now, and I'm not talking about the two thousand and six remake, 129 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.759 I'm talking about if it were on now, there would have to be 130 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.799 there would be a storyline similar to the way the script was written, where 131 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.320 Colchak is, you know, deemed insane by people, and you know, 132 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.039 he's spouting off this nonsense and people don't take very kindly to it and want 133 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.360 to get rid of him. It's a little bit more kind of prescient, 134 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.480 I think than even the show was attempting to go for if that makes sense. 135 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:07.080 It showed some consequences for Colchack doing what he's been doing this whole time 136 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.440 exactly. But what was weird about it was why this episode, Like how 137 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.600 is this one any crazier? Like like it's not like like they didn't have 138 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:22.159 a scene earlier where like Tony's giving a speech to the press club and Carl 139 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:28.639 comes running in screaming about something like there are other episodes where he's probably publicly 140 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.759 acted more insane. So it was a little weird that, for whatever reason, 141 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.799 this is the one that ends him in the booby hatch, even though 142 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:41.080 I know it was Rausch sort of getting his revenge, but you know, 143 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.279 I mean, it was just kind of odd, like if they are going 144 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.159 to do that as a bookend, why for this particular episode. And that's 145 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.960 the thing I don't know, is why this episode unless it's just Rausch out 146 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.639 playing Colcheck, which is fine, because Roush is I think one of the 147 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.080 better kind of police, you know, Sutton a villain, but kind of 148 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.279 antagonists or cole Jack that we've had, if not the best. And John 149 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.120 Denner is so great you would call ever seeing the factor before, because I 150 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:15.440 mean, he turns up in a lot of stuff. He was in an 151 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:20.679 episode of The Rockford Files called There's One in Every Port, But I really 152 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.360 remember him from an episode of the original Twilight Zone called Mister Garrity and the 153 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.480 Graves. I don't remember that, but I remember that he was in an 154 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.039 episode at Colombo. He was the commodore and last or off for the Commodore, 155 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.759 and he was the commissioner. I think it was an airplane to the 156 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:41.759 sequel that is beautiful, well garritty and the Graves was one of the creepier 157 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.919 Twilight Zones, and it was in the It was kind of like in the 158 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.240 Old West, and John Denner, the guy who plays Roush, comes into 159 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:56.320 town and he's basically a guy who who says, I can bring all of 160 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.639 your dead relatives back, and so everyone pays him a bunch of money to 161 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.080 do it. And and then that night at midnight, it's very foggy in 162 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:13.480 this old Western town and all these people start wandering through the fog from up 163 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.639 on boothill or wherever it is they're buried. And when the town suddenly realizes 164 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.960 that it's for real, they pay him twice the money to make it stop. 165 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.799 And this is what he does town to town and and you know, 166 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.120 and it's it's but it's one of those ones where it's like, oh, 167 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.200 we know, it's it a complete con game or the hiring actors to do 168 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.600 it, or what is it? Or is it the Monkey's top? But 169 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.720 that's what he plays in the Twilight Zone. And he's the same. I 170 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.360 mean, like anytime you see John Denner, he is just John Denner. 171 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.080 He's exactly the way he is in this episode. Well, it's kind of 172 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:52.799 like Hans Conried. He plays unhinged so well, and they'll play that like 173 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:58.639 erudite professor type character who is just on the edge of going crazy, and 174 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.799 when he passes over into that, I just always love when he explodes. 175 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.960 Yeah, like when he played Captain Hook, which is what I know him 176 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:13.360 from. I mostly know him from his voice work, and then like Captain 177 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.759 Hook, but I think he also did voice work on Bullwinkle, and then 178 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.879 he was in The Five Thousand Fingers of Doctor t which is fantastic movie. 179 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.799 That's right. When was he hook? Though, Chris? What which one 180 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:37.320 was the original? The V nineteen fifty three v Peter Pan? Where is 181 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:46.240 it man made lagoon? Now we've searched that, we've combed Cannyboo Coves. 182 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.480 Yeah, no, no, no, no, that's he deals hid it. 183 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:00.159 But wait, those red Skins know these islands better than I doom your 184 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.759 own ship. Yeah. Same year he was Doctor Turr Willicker. Oh okay, 185 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:11.039 so you're saying he was better than Dustin Hoffman crazy? Come on, 186 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.200 Yeah, I just want to I just want to be clear here. I 187 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.279 just want to know what we're saying definitely no, Hugh jack Man. Okay, 188 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.919 oh my god, I forgot that that was the thing. What about 189 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.039 what about Christopher Walkin? That's the deepest of deep cuts. Yeah, that 190 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.639 that's that's pretty deep. Alison Williams was it? Alison Williams is Peter fan 191 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.600 and that one a total abomination of an idea. But whatever, No, 192 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:41.039 Hans Conrid is great, and there are no more Hans Conraids, like there 193 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:47.080 is no like who is today's Hans Conreid exactly? Well, that's right. 194 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:51.240 He was snidely whiplash. That's why I remember that voice. Yeah, that 195 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:56.639 voice is great, and and it's funny because they I know we've talked about 196 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.960 this before, but Cole Shack, I mean the you know mccavan version. 197 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:08.880 They really packed these episodes with recognizable, venerable old character actors. And I 198 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:15.960 have to believe that these guys were still under contract to Universal or or somehow, 199 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.599 because I don't otherwise I don't know how you get them unless it was 200 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.200 just like Darren mcavan's Poker Buddies and he's just like, oh yeah, call 201 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.519 up hands, he'll go it. People like Shrug Fisher, he's got a 202 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.880 filmography a mile wide. You know, just so many people that are like, 203 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.079 oh, yeah, I recognize that face. I might not know exactly 204 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.759 what they were in, but for sure I recognize that face. I mean, 205 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.880 let's be honest. The best part of this episode is when it turns 206 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:47.279 out Vincenzo has fake telephones. Yes, I think he is a knockoff. 207 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.519 I know that they had like telephone licenses and TV licenses and those kind of 208 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:57.880 things over in England. I don't know about unofficial phones here in the United 209 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.839 States. What is going on here? I don't know. I have no 210 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.559 idea when mob Bell before it broke up and they had the monopoly, was 211 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:11.880 it like you had to buy your phone from the phone company and each phone 212 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.680 had to like be registered somehow, and they had bootleg songs. It definitely 213 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.200 seemed like a bootleg phone of some sort. But yeah, I think you're 214 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:23.960 right about that. That whole subplot, or like little kind of little bit 215 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.400 is pretty great. But I mean, Robert Mhart as the coat of arms 216 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.759 dealer who is essentially selling Cole Chack bullshit for no reason other than to get 217 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.119 money out of him because he thinks he's wasting his time is pretty great. 218 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:42.559 That whole coat of arms thing totally reminds me of the Taxidermist that we had 219 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.680 a couple weeks ago, where it was just like, oh, how well, 220 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.759 you know, how dare you write bad things about taxidermists, but where 221 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.240 he's just like trying to sell him a stuffed animal, trying to get money 222 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.920 out of him. Whereas this guy is just like, yeah, let me 223 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.559 sell you a coat of arms and maybe I'll give you some information, but 224 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.720 it's going to be really difficult to get that out of me. What's weird 225 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.200 about it is that on the page in the script, it's even more obvious 226 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.680 that they're complete Charlatans, and they make a much bigger deal out of like 227 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:17.079 cutting one name off of the coat of arms and gluing the cole Shack name 228 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:21.559 on to give to him. From a writing standpoint, is like, why 229 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.440 are you telling us that this guy is a total rire? Yet at the 230 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:30.599 same time this guy is providing the lynchpin information of the entire episode. Look 231 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.759 like we're supposed to believe everything he says about g D Met and Core, 232 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.799 but at the same time he's totally lying to Carl, So you're like, 233 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.480 Okay, we totally solid on the one hand, totally lying on the other 234 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.359 hand. Okay, I'll buy that. Sure, this is a little weird. 235 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.000 It's a little weird. Yeah, I mean it's funny and it's totally 236 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.839 coleshacky to have that. It's just it's hard when they're working across purposes in 237 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.440 the exact same seme, like you almost want because whenever you get that character, 238 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.920 when it Victor Jory in the Diablero episode or that guy who deals in 239 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:10.759 Hindu antiquities Indie rock Shassa episode, it's like, one way or another, 240 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:15.839 you believe those guys when they're laying down the legend, right, and so 241 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.240 this guy's ben having that role. But but he's also like open, I'm 242 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:25.400 also a total liar. I don't know, but somehow you buy it. 243 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.880 I don't know. I'd also like to point out lou Dressler still alive, 244 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.960 which is great because she's awesome in this episode. Speaking of her still being 245 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.880 alive in real life, dying off screen in this episode and being a throwaway 246 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.480 line again kind of weird, very weird. Right, Oh, she's dead 247 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:47.000 by the way, Like, whoa, Okay, she got asked to death 248 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:51.039 in another room. You were talking about the woman who plays Minerva Musso. 249 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:55.640 Yeah, yeah, lou Dressler, the one who the one is disappointed that 250 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.480 that Coleshack isn't there to rape? What the fun? Yes? Rape or 251 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.640 rape or what does she say? Rape? Or theft raper rob? Really? 252 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:08.119 Right? What? And then Coles says no, no, no, 253 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.440 I'm a reporter. Don't get excited. And she's like, oh, he's 254 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.519 saying don't get excited. What a depressing little man? What the fuck? 255 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:22.480 Oh yeah, different era, right, I guess or something amazing character. 256 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.799 I'm going to go to my grave believing that David Chase wrote all of that, 257 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:33.240 because with the reference to David Bowie and that just to me feels like 258 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.640 David Chase kind of talk. But that is that is a weird character. 259 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.000 I mean, I love her, but that character has not I don't I 260 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:42.640 don't want to say she has an age. Well, but man, that 261 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.799 is not the kind of character you're going to see today. Yeah. When 262 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:49.240 she made the result of the reference to David Bowie, I was like, 263 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.839 did I just hear what she just said? Is that? I went back 264 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.079 and actually rewound it because I didn't believe that she was making a modern culture 265 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.079 reference. And then colsh I go, oh, no, it's not about 266 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.400 David Bowie, and I'm like, wow, we actually have a little soundflip 267 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:11.079 of Coleshack saying David Bowie and they get a lot of mileage about him getting 268 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.799 the perfume on his clothes from her, and that just is like the running 269 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:21.200 gag for the rest of the episode, right that he smells like a bunch 270 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:26.160 of dead bagonias. But you know, the other thing I love about this 271 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:30.640 is that they like they're always trying to come up with another twist on well, 272 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:36.599 what's Carl's relationship with this week's police captain going to be? And in 273 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:41.279 this episode he's actually pretty aggressive, Like it's not the police captain necessarily going 274 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:47.400 get out of here, Carl, it's Carl becoming exasperated with him. And 275 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:49.519 then even when he tries to pull rank in that episode, he's like, 276 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.599 oh, if I were you, you know, you were found five feet 277 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.960 from a butchered corpse, I'd have a big tension headache, And Coleshack just 278 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.519 comes right back at him. He's like, you know what, You're lazy. 279 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:06.480 You don't even do police work anymore. You steal information from reporters and 280 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:10.640 you sit on your ass and you don't and you're you're bored with police work. 281 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:15.440 I'm like, whoa Jesus Carlos like fucking taking it to this guy with 282 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.039 tongs. I was impressed well the way that he describes him as the Edward 283 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.759 R. Muro of homicide. I was like, wow, Wow, he 284 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.759 must really respect this guy, and it feels like he's kind of hero worship 285 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.680 he at first, you know, what do you say to a living legend? 286 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.200 And then he's kind of tongue tied talking to him. But yeah, 287 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:38.400 as the as the episode goes on, the scales kind of fall from his 288 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:41.519 eyes and he's just like, this guy's a total phony. He just is 289 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.759 a blowhard and I love the way that he's played. He's just he plays 290 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:52.160 a blowhard so well. And there's one other weird little thing in this episode 291 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.480 that I don't know that I've ever picked up upon until I read the script 292 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:02.160 last night, but um minerva muso, Like, there's that moment where they 293 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:06.400 think that Hans Conrid might be putting on the suit of armor and killing the 294 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.799 people who are going to turn his museum into a discotheque. And we haven't 295 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:15.839 even we haven't even unpacked that insanity unpacked is the correct term to use. 296 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.200 But he says she Minerva Musa, the character of Minerva Va Musso, says, 297 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.319 oh, I walked in on him and he was standing in front of 298 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:33.160 a mirror and saying some weird thing about cleaving things in Twain. And then 299 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.799 they sort of just go past it. But in the script it says in 300 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.920 the end, in the big confrontation, it says, oh, and then 301 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:47.920 the night swings and acts at Coleshack, almost cleaving him in Twain. And 302 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.960 then I'm like, wait a second, are you saying that Hans Conried's character 303 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:57.039 Mentel Bogs was like, did some weird spell, like some occult spell that 304 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.559 brought the night to life to go kill his enemies? What do you guys 305 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:07.160 think that would make a lot more sense to me than just this suit of 306 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.039 armor decides to get up and walk around and kill all these people who are 307 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:17.640 all to your point there to turn this disco to this museum into a disco 308 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.039 teche. It would have made a lot more sense to me. Yeah. 309 00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:25.920 I mean again, it's it's one of these episodes where things are just happening 310 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.000 and they want there to be like a driving force behind it, but there 311 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.359 doesn't seem to be, even though they like bring up that there should be 312 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.200 or could be or can be. It's like, don't even bring it up. 313 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.440 Just leave it alone then, And that's the weird part, Like you 314 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:45.160 would almost expect like in the script, then there would have been a scene 315 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.960 where like he sees like Koleshack goes back, almost like in a zombie episode, 316 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:55.000 where he sees the old woman doing the voodoo spell to bring her grandson 317 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:59.559 back to life, like like you'd almost realize, oh shit, that's the 318 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.039 ants sort of the whole mystery is that this guy has come up with some 319 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:10.279 ancient occult spell that can reanimate this thing. And then at the end and 320 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.720 be like, well, when I went back, you know, Mendel Bogs 321 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.720 had packed all his stuff and his apartment was empty and no one's been able 322 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.720 to track him down. And it's kind of like, oh, that'd be 323 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.039 cool, but that's not even in the script, Like they almost went there, 324 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.039 but then didn't do it even at the script level, which was odd. 325 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.960 But yeah, I think that would have been cool. I really think 326 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.119 that would have made a lot more sense and would have you know, because 327 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.880 we always are on that line as far as you know, regardless, it 328 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.920 would have been a supernatural thing, him conjuring this force to be inside of 329 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.839 the suit of armor. But I think it would have made more sense to 330 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.400 actually give that suit of armor a little bit more of a purpose. And 331 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.400 like you were saying, like, use this golden type figure to do his 332 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.480 bidding, It's kind of like, if you're going to go that far and 333 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.319 just go ahead and go the final step, why not give give Hans Conride 334 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.480 an even more cool character to play well? And that's what I don't That's 335 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.079 why I don't understand about this episode, And that goes back to my initial 336 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:15.440 problem with the climaxes. Why not make it an actual villain? Why make 337 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.680 it this like nonsense of the suit of armor just came to life on its 338 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.119 own, Like what is to be gained by not having an actual tangible villain 339 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:27.440 for Carl to chase down, even if we know he's just gonna get away 340 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.960 anyways, because that's the way this show goes. Are you saying that you 341 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:38.440 whisky episode involved Coleshack murdering Hans Conrid. You know what I would have preferred, 342 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.599 The way I would have had an end, would have would have had 343 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.440 the Black Night turning on Hans Conride. Instead, No, no, my 344 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:52.039 own creation exactly like Frankenstein's monster style. Instead we get this like lukewarm nonsense 345 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:57.519 of just like well maybe but not really like okay, well fine, oh 346 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.440 okay, No, you could do that. You could you could have you 347 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:06.519 could have Call Shacks figure out like he could be saying to Vincenzo, I 348 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:11.519 think that that guy that Mental Bogs and that museum has figured out a way 349 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.720 to bring that night to life, and to do he is bidding and murder 350 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.039 his enemies, and I'm going to go confront him right now. Then you 351 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:26.680 cut to Mental Bogs and the and the Black Night killing Mental Bogs and Call 352 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:32.079 Shack getting there just a minute too late, and then realizing, oh shit, 353 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.400 now Mental's dead, and don't I don't know the spell to make this 354 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.839 thing stop, And now I have no choice and I've got to somehow figure 355 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.599 out a way to get to that battle axe or whatever, the axe that's 356 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.240 been blessed by the Pope, like they all have come on, that's a 357 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.640 good, a normal thing pretty much. They just walked down the line and 358 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.160 bless them all the kind of come off the assembly line that way. We 359 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.960 got to remake these episodes. Let's just remake the original episodes and just add 360 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.960 a little bits and pieces that, you know, the just raise them up. 361 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.079 I hear Stewart Townsend's not too much these days. Yeah, Gabriel Union 362 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:10.839 is making TV shows for Spectrum. Stewart Townsend is looking into the darkness, 363 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:23.279 dark dark dark dark, dark darkness. It's looking back into him him the 364 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:29.400 words. Yeah, the words that show up on the screen. He's saying 365 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.839 words, here are some of them. Yeah, it's look, let's not 366 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.559 kid ourselves and look, I will take the worst episode of the original show 367 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:44.839 over the best episode of the remake. But the thing that drives me to 368 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.960 enjoy this show as much as I do is always going to be Darren McGavin's 369 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:55.880 performance. And then comes the character actors in a close second. But the 370 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.079 monsters and stuff are not It's not that they're not memorable, it's just that 371 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.920 they're not particularly creative. I mean, if you really want to go there, 372 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.000 you can say this is almost an invisible monster since we never really get 373 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.720 to see what's inside the suit of armor. Yeah, it's just oh and 374 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.480 the suit of armor's empty the end, Well, what did you want like 375 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.480 ectoplasm to come out. I mean they could have made like a spirit thing 376 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.880 float away, because I think would have been that skeleton from last week's episodeven 377 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.440 Yeah. Anything. We have had so many invisible killers, both on the 378 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:33.319 original and the reboot, that it's kind of astounding. Yeah, but I 379 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.200 don't think I would not count this as invisible. This was a badass black 380 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.359 night swinging an axe and a lance and a mace. I don't agree, 381 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.599 agree to disagree, but it was still invisible in the suit. The monster 382 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.480 was not in the suit, that is correct. We're all in agreement on 383 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.640 that. I will agree that at least it's not fully invisible. Chris, 384 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.400 I'm invisible inside my body. Listen here, Richard. I don't want none 385 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:03.920 of your esoteric double speed on this podcast. It's it's better than the invisible 386 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.160 predator that Colchack fights And like the what the what the hell was the name 387 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.359 of that episode, the one with MATCHI man too, No no, no, 388 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.720 no, the energy ear the Mattri Minito. No no, the Matti 389 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.640 Minito is something different. They they have, they are, they will be. 390 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.039 Was the alien episode? Right? Yeah? That was the alien. 391 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.440 That the alien, that's the UFO and the Mattri Minido are two separate invisible 392 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.160 enemies. Oh the end, Yeah, because the right. But the alien 393 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:37.519 eats energy. The alien is eating isn't the alien eating electricity? Or is 394 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.480 that the Matchi minedo? Yes, you're correct, they're both eating energy, 395 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:47.759 and one of them also eats bone marrow. Oh my god boy, there's 396 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.920 a lot to unpack here. One of them leaves a big mess on Dick 397 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:56.720 fan Patten's lawn. Yes, that's right, that's what. That's the thing 398 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.000 I remember from the UFO episode is Dick van Patten. That's the role that 399 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:06.119 got him. They put him back on ABC's radar for eight of enough guys. 400 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.319 What would happen at a medieval steak and lobster discotheque? I mean, 401 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.319 wouldn't everyone be murdered by the black knife? You would go, you'd be 402 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:20.079 eating in what was a museum. There'd be like food getting on priceless artifacts, 403 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.319 and then you get really drunk, and then there'd be a disco ball 404 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:27.160 and then there'd be some disco dancing. I think it's all very very clear. 405 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.720 So basically, it's like a medieval times restaurant. No utensils has there 406 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.839 been to medieval times. Is that you guys know about that? Or oh 407 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.400 yeah, yeah, well I went to ex Caliber in Vegas. That's kind 408 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.519 of the same thing, right, same, the exact same thing. Are 409 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.480 you serious? There's no utensils at medieval times? Wait, you don't know 410 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.319 this. The conceit is it's the medieval times. They didn't use no four 411 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.279 because those spoon and no knife, so you have to eat everything with your 412 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.799 hands. They give you cups. They give you cups though, but no 413 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:04.000 utensils because they had cups by then in history, but they didn't have forks 414 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:09.480 or knives correct or spoons. You actually didn't know that. That's insane. 415 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.079 I thought that that was like a commonly known thing. Dude, I've been 416 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.200 to medieval times and I need to make that connection. Were you high? 417 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.039 I must have been. I must have started with the grog and never looked 418 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.720 back. Yeah, don't bring me any food. Just bring me more of 419 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.960 your finest ale, sir. We only have Budweiser here. That'll do. 420 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.319 Welcome to medieval times, I'll be you're serving lunch, Melinda. Might I 421 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.440 bet you something from the bar keep? Dost have doll a mug of ale 422 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:45.640 for me and me? Mate? He has been pitched in battle for a 423 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.559 fortnight and has a king's thirst for the frosty brood. Thus thou might have 424 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.559 for Thus I'll be right back, my lord, Thanks to you, fair 425 00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.400 wench. Yeah, all of a sudden, this is like fucking Jim Carrey 426 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.160 and Cable Guy. That's what makes it great. Jesus Christ, what was 427 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.679 I thinking? And what were they thinking? I mean, look, I 428 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:12.719 still can't even believe a thing like Medieval Times exists. However, it's pretty 429 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.760 funny that they're essentially talking about medieval times in this episode. But I love 430 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.440 how they tie it into a disco to like, what is the disco like 431 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.400 a same restaurants? One thing? Was it just that it was nineteen seventy 432 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.239 five and everything had to sort of be Hey, you know what disc goes 433 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.679 big? Just mention it and that'll make it feel more like real life. 434 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.840 I think that has to be what it is. Striking amazing. I never 435 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.079 understood that. I'm like, really, so, you've got priceless antiquities, 436 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.159 but they're gonna leave them there somehow, I don't know, and let people 437 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.800 dance around them. Yeah, because that's what people want to do. That's 438 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.920 you know, that's what makes you hungry? To me, not having mental 439 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.960 bugs. Being the villain in regards to the thing turning into the discotheque is 440 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.039 bizarre because why would the suit of armor just come to life? Like, 441 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.800 why would it just come to life on its own? Like because it heard 442 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.480 that it was the museum was being turned into a discotheque. It was reading 443 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:12.119 page six item you read the script, it got really mean. You make 444 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.559 him into like a necromance or whatever, and you set up he knows the 445 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:22.960 ancient spells. He's got a book and it's got the ancient spell to bring 446 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:27.519 the night to life, and so I, Kleshack, have to go track 447 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.920 him down and make him do the equal opposite spell to make it stop. 448 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.559 But before I get there, he's killed. Couldn't he just be the guy 449 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.280 that they talk about? Wait? What oh the dude from history? Yeah, 450 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.039 couldn't Like, wouldn't that even be? Another option is just make it 451 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.360 like the guy figured out how to just live forever because he was already doing 452 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:52.159 necromancy and shit anyways, So he's basically he's like Connor McCloud. He has 453 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:58.519 all the antiquities and stuff, and it's got the whole like museum and now 454 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.519 he's like fallen on hard time time and he can't do anything about it, 455 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.559 and they're going to turn his thing into a discotheque. So Hans Conried is 456 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.800 like the Highlander or something. He's been around this whole time. Maybe it's 457 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.119 because they've done something too similar with that, the Jack the Ripper episode, 458 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.119 which would kind of be like that, where it's like he's been around forever 459 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.960 and he's just kind of hanging out, like doing his own thing, even 460 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.000 if he didn't make an immortal. Here's the joke. You've got to build 461 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:29.719 this mythology that there's this knight who hated all human pleasures, and so the 462 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:34.360 very idea that anyone would be, you know, celebrating or dancing in the 463 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.000 museum where his suit of armor lives is so repellent to him that his ghost 464 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.800 is coming back to kill all those people. But Mendel Bogs has the exact 465 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:49.679 same character, the same exaction. He's like, I'm appalled that these people 466 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.280 are doing this, So why not just connect those two? They were right 467 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.679 there. Oh god, you got to get David Chase on this show. 468 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.800 I would like that. I've been asking for a long time. I mean, 469 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.079 if we talked to David Chase. All we want to do is ask 470 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.639 what did it mean when the screen went to black? No, that's a 471 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.639 joke. We will literally never mention the Sopranos. Yeah, we're not gonna 472 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.599 bring up the Sopranos. His career ended at the Rockford Files. He's done 473 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.880 two shows, Rockford and Koleshack, and that's all we care about, and 474 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.719 really only Koleshack. So really it's okay, explain shopper, explain it. 475 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:29.119 Listen here, David Chase, you explained this to us right now. Yeah, 476 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.159 we want to talk about your greatest television show, that end of the 477 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.800 nineteen seventy five. I can't help but think as much as he probably doesn't 478 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.320 want to talk about the Sopranos, he probably enjoys just constantly being like, 479 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.079 yeah, you know, I've kind of wrote the Sopranos. Yeah whatever, 480 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.480 Like, no big deal. He'd probably rather talk about Koleshack. It's like 481 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:52.440 I've answered every fucking Sopranos question I'm ever going to answer, and we walk 482 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.119 up and it's like, oh, fuck, Sopranos, tell me about Koleshack, 483 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:55.960 and he'd be like, oh god, finally, okay, great, 484 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.679 what do you want to know. Tell us, tell us about the Sopranos, 485 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.519 sponsor great, tell us about the Sopranos and the movie coming out. 486 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.239 Please. It's weird because David Chase was involved with so many of these episodes 487 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.679 of the show. He's involved with like four or five of them. I 488 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:16.119 think he was the story editor for all of these, so he was involved, 489 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.119 even if like his name isn't on these scripts, he has his fingers 490 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.679 in them. I do get that feeling because but the weird thing is that 491 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.480 the titles of people on TV shows has changed so much. Like a story 492 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.880 editor now is a very very low ranking person in the writer's room. But 493 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.280 I think in the seventies, the story editor was sort of almost like the 494 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.000 showrunner, Like I'm sort of the I'm the writer who goes through everything and 495 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:52.280 make sure every episode is sort of brought up to the level or matches whatever 496 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.639 the show is supposed to be. So even if a freelance writer writes an 497 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.920 episode, it's going to go through my typewriter to make it a night Stalker 498 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.800 episode, for instance. I think that's the role David Chase played on this, 499 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.920 Like he rewrote you know, Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gaylee. They had 500 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:15.840 Ci Shermack as the showrunner after the first few episodes, So but yeah, 501 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.639 I see him more as like almost producer type guy. But yeah, I 502 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:23.159 see you know, David Chase was like I guess Martin Parlance the head of 503 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:28.000 the writer's room. I think you're right. And I think cy Trumac was 504 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.480 a guy dealing with the studio and like dealing with the budget and just sort 505 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.800 of with fucking Darren McGavin. He and McGavin. But it heads all the 506 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.119 time, Oh right, ohlan, and McGavin apparently was like an executive producer 507 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.639 and at a certain point he was like, you know what, just get 508 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.800 me off this show. I can't, I'm too tired. Sounds like Darren 509 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:51.199 McGavin was not the easiest person to work with, but I still loved him. 510 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.840 Oh yeah, I mean he just seems like he looked but this way. 511 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.760 If I ever had met Darren McGavin, I would have expected I was 512 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.599 meeting Carl Koleshak, and him and Darren McGavin are one and the same. 513 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:07.280 That kind of like grump grump miser, but with a sharp like a with 514 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.000 like a quick wit. It like a quick wit and a sharp tongue? 515 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.679 Was it marked with ziach? Was he saying that that? Didn't? He 516 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.039 meet McGavin once and McGavin was like, here, have some more wine, 517 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.760 and they were just like, oh okay, like like a couple of glasses 518 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.719 of wine. Got the stories rolling? That sounds awesome. I would give 519 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:30.719 anything. Oh my god, can you imagine let's go drinking with Darren McGavin 520 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.239 and here's some stories. Yeah, that would be great. And it's unfortunate 521 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.480 because we're reaching the end of the show two episodes left. So are you 522 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.639 guys going to still do an episode about the unproduced script? Yes? Okay? 523 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.119 And do I still get to come and join your Yeah, of course 524 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:52.960 you do. No, Richard leave Your infectious optimism is not wanted. Here, 525 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:59.320 mean, Chris mean, I'm the bad cup. I still can't find 526 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.599 the execute Sers written by Max Hodge, but we have to get a Balisle 527 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:08.000 and Eve of Terror. There was one site that was selling like all of 528 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.440 the scripts that I don't have because I don't remember how many we managed to 529 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.400 collect, but there was one that was just like, oh yeah, we've 530 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.159 got this net and the other thing, and I was just like, here, 531 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.639 take my money. I was like, fry from that gift, here 532 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.840 take my money, and it was like okay, sure, and then came 533 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.679 back it was like, oh yeah, the guy that sells us those he's 534 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.480 not available anymore. And I'm like, well, then, why do you 535 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.239 even have him on your site? Why'd you get me so excited about this? 536 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.239 And it's just like can you find that person? And then every once 537 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.960 in a while I'll find like, oh yeah, this episode the script was 538 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.360 on auction for three hundred dollars through some weird auction site, not eBay, 539 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.079 and it's like, yeah, well fuck that. I can't pay that much 540 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.960 money for any of these things. But yeah, the executioners has never shown 541 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.239 up any place that I've looked for it. I don't have that when I 542 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.280 haven't been able to find it. But offline, let me know about the 543 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.800 episodes. I mean, I know it probably doesn't matter now because you guys 544 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.320 are almost done, but if you want them, like, I've got a 545 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.559 bunch, so let me know the ones you don't have. Maybe I do 546 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.920 have some of those just episodes, yea cool? All right. I will 547 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.679 say this guys, as you're going into the final two. It's my last 548 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.599 really favorite one. Oh this. This is no, so I don't I'm 549 00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:29.239 not, I'm not. I'm not throwing any shade on youth Killer or Century. 550 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.000 I'm just saying that this of the of the original twenty, this is 551 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.599 my last favorite one. So I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of 552 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:45.800 youth Killer and Century. I kind of remember Century, but and I barely 553 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:52.239 remember youth Killer. I mean I think everybody around maybe our ages had something 554 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:59.679 for Kathy the Crosby but uh yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, 555 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.119 yeah, oh yeah, no, I can't wait. I will be sitting 556 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.079 by my giant radio on which I listened to your Yeah. Now come on, 557 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:13.360 turne on into the Coal track teams, ASU and Mike White down at 558 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.679 w r KTS col Track Teams. It's it's like the radio from a Christmas 559 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.840 story that Darren mccavan and his other great role they gather around for a little 560 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.559 orphan. Ay. Well, thank you so much guys for coming on. 561 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.280 I want to thank John Walker for our theme music. As always, Chris, 562 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.480 tell me what is going on in your world, sir? Right now, 563 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.880 over the Culturecast, we're doing Patricia Arquette August a little bit of a 564 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.480 literative word play there, so we've been talking some Scorsese movies that she was 565 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.920 in a little bit of a movie written by Tarantino, thankfully not directed by 566 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:50.039 Tarantino. Got a David Lynch movie in there for good measure as well. 567 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.679 So you can check that out over at culturecast dot com. And if you 568 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:57.880 want to listen to another TV show podcast that I am on, you should 569 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.440 check out the One Season Show. We just started that one, and that 570 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.159 is where we talk about TV shows that only lasted one season. I also 571 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.039 do a Chronicles from the Crypt podcast where we talk about tales from the Crypt. 572 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.079 But I am busy all the time, and it's not just talking cold 573 00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.480 check and Richard, what is happening with you? I am. We're finishing 574 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.119 up season two on Titans, and we're about to debut season two of Titans 575 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:28.320 on DC Universe. I think the first week of September is episode one, 576 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:34.960 and so as episode one rolls out, will be filming episode thirteen, which 577 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.519 I am co writing, and I invite everyone to check out. Yeah, 578 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.840 Titans on a DC Universe. It's going to be a good season. Yeah. 579 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.400 As of this recording, I think they just dropped the season two trailer. 580 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.400 No fuck Batman, in this one. No fu Batman. Yeah, 581 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.199 what's up with that? That's like the thing Fuck Batman. Yeah, I 582 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.360 was waiting for him to work at in somehow. In this one, super 583 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.800 Boy is going to go fuck Superman. Nice and this one and this one 584 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.719 we should just have him go eat my ass Superman. Oh that's the Tarantino 585 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.760 DC movie. Never mind, lick my bung hole, motherfucker, lick my 586 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.599 bung hole. Boy. Things we don't need to hear a superhero say. 587 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.480 If this was the Snyder cut, he would have said it. Oh right, 588 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.079 sorry, but the Snyder cut exists. Thanks Kevin Smith. No, 589 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.519 shut the fuck up and go back and do whatever the hell you were doing 590 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:29.280 before you open your mouth. I think he was getting pouned. Yeah, 591 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.920 pooned. Bro. Where can people find you? What are you up to, 592 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:37.480 mister Mike? Why? Well? Every week I host a podcast called 593 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.079 The Projection Booth, which you can find over a Projection Booth podcast dot com. 594 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.320 Maybe one of these days when get Richard on that, that'd be kind 595 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.360 of fun. I'm only planned out to twenty twenty one at the moment, 596 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.840 but occasionally I do some special episodes, like we just did one on Solo 597 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.800 A star Wars story, which surprisingly I haven't gotten any sort of death threats 598 00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.119 over well, I'm still riding mine, so oh okay, good. If 599 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.159 you were triggered, I'm truggered. Actually, it's the next level of triggering. 600 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.079 Oh wow, yeah, so triggered. You haven't even heard of it 601 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:13.920 yet. It's like drug and triggered. Well. I would thank people for 602 00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:19.599 going over to our website and for giving us feedback and giving us all kinds 603 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.840 of reviews over on iTunes and stuff, and I do appreciate the people that 604 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:29.000 have given us the reviews on iTunes. We never did get enough to actually 605 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:35.159 do a live satellite broadcast from the I S headquarters in Chicago, but I 606 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.320 guess people in Chicago don't care enough to listen to us do it live. 607 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:45.079 Nope, those are losers, losers, sad