What is krack Lakin fellow thermonuclear a efforts? I am Dan fa Valley once again coming at you with my certified fantabulous co host, Grant Hughes. Before we dive into this excellent mail bag filled with questions from our discord listeners which you should join them, go to our discord. The link is in our podcast and YouTube description. Before we get into that, our usual housekeeping notes including joined our discord. But also please remember to subscribe to us wherever you're consuming us. So this is the first time checking us out on YouTube, hit like, subscribe, comment, help the algorithm of us back. Subscribe to us on whenever podcast player you're using Apple, Spotify, Stitch or Google Play of the whole nine. 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Who says, listening to the roster building strategy we talked about last time and pointed out the fact that the best point guard in recent years, just best point guards in recent years have not been on title contenders except for Steph, who, as we discuss almost every week, is just an anomaly and plays in a different system that kind of de emphasizes the point guard position. So great question. It does tie into what we were talking about last week and we've talked about before of like what do you need to win a title? And basically, yeah, it is hard to build a championship team with a point guard as your best player. Just so look at the historical precedent, right if you go back just say thirty, you know, forty years however far you want to go. So in terms of finals MVPs, you've got Chauncey Billipson oh four, So okay, I mean that's a that's a like an anomaly in itself because that Pistons team was just kind of five really good players among the starters. And I've made the case before trying to think about do you need a top ten player to win a title and said that a couple of those years, Ben Wallace, in terms of his overall impact, was probably a top ten player, did it all with defense, and nobody really understood it at the time, although he did win a bunch of defensive Player of the Year awards, but that was like, that's just not the same as being an MVP level guy. So I would quibble with Billips being the best player on that team, but there's one data point that says you sort of can do it. And then you go to Isaiah Thomas in nineteen ninety, which is almost again, I think he's closer to what you're looking for as my point guard is my best player and we want a title. But then that's still kind of the same thing with again Detroit, there's just a bunch of defenders around, and you know other supplementary pieces that you could maybe argue had really close to the same value, so different. Magic Johnson's different. He's almost like a Steph level anomaly. I don't I don't know what to do with that, but so yeah, I think you gotta have good ones. You gotta have good point guards Drew Holiday, Kyle Lowry, Kyrie Irving, Tony Parker, just going back over the last little while. But you can do it with unremarkable ones like you get your Mario Chalmers, you get your Derek Fisher's. You clearly don't need a great point guard and certainly don't need it to be your best player. I think the main thing is if you're trying to figure out why two thoughts come to mind, and tell me what you think of both of these. The first is that I think if so, say you have a Chris Paul type point guard who and the Suns were close. But I've been thinking about this since the Clipper days, where if you're just a pick and roll team and this undersized guy has the ball all the time and you're doing the same thing every time, that's one not that difficult. Even if you're great at it for a defense to scheme against, and two there's probably a way to go at that guy on the other end, if he's just like a you know, a six foot or in Chris Paul's case, smaller like true distribute the ball point guard too predictable, too many potential ways to go at that. The other thing is if your point guard is your best player, and he's a conventional point guard, I think then by default it means you don't have a superstar wing, which if you're looking for the commonality among title winners over however long you want to go back, that's the that you need. And before that it was a dominant big guy. It's never been a dominant point guard. So if your point guards your best player, it means that the wings and the bigs, depending on how far you want to go back, are not your best And we know that you need your Michael Jordan's, you need your Lebron's, your Kawai's, your you know whatever, you want to Larry bird match whatever. So just having a really good point guard, it's almost like a giveaway that your team is not is not equipped to win based on the teams that have won in the past. So what do you think about one the like Chris Paul model and why that's maybe not the best. And two if you have an additional thought on like why if you have a great point guard that's your best player, why it doesn't work? Yeah, the going off your points first. I like, so Chris Paul with the Clippers, I don't know was he actively targeted on defense in the playoffs during those the first time I remember it's just like Dallas going after him really while he was with Knicks. But what I think you're kind of onto something is is that if your point guard your best player, you don't have a superstar wing. I think there are two things it doesn't counter that, But one is just like, because you went so far back that this doesn't necessarily apply, but positional ambiguity factors in here to where like Lebron is a point guard and now Luca is a point guard. So are you gonna say that, like, your best player can't be Luca Lebron. We've Lebron's already just proven that. What I am wondering though, is like, so if you have that resource, not even talking about necessarily money, but you have the point guard, is that guy and you've decided that's your best player, have you decided to then misallocate your resources elsewhere to where are you focusing on what we need play finishers to get around him rather than another creator on the wings or sort of like the I don't want to say the Yannis type, because there's no such thing as yes, but like the combo forward type of playmaker can put the ball in his hands. And so I'm wondering if you once you have that that point guard, even like look at a Damian Lillard in Portland, Like if you just decided, like, have you made it harder for yourself to get not even just a superior but maybe more of offensive diversification out of the other spots on your roster because you've decided this steps on the toes of like, oh, we'll run pick and roll at the time, like you said with Dane, but like Dane can do other stuff as well. And yet whether this is because Portland tried and failed, it's just you fall into the trapic like, well, we don't need to make this a priority because we have Damian Lillard, And so I'm wondering how much that might factor into the rest of the roster. Building construction yeah. I mean, you've got finite resources, and you've got finite touches and roles and opportunities. Certainly offensively bringing up Lillard is interesting. That just makes me and you're right, like Chris Paul was not a target. But I think in terms of the way certainly now, the way offense is played now, it's really hard if you've got a guy that's a one position defender that is going to be involved in a lot of actions because it's still pick and roll heavily, and he's not a good defender. Like that's just that's tough to overcome, you know, like that that's gonna apply. I mean now of making me think of like John Moran, because he's the Grizzlies best player, And we've very recently done a podcast where I said I thought the Grizzlies were the best team in the West, and I did not have a factor in the thought of, like, he's a bad defender and he's gonna be on the floor all the time. So even if you're not a great opposing offense, you're gonna have a guy to go at. True of Damian Little or true of Trey Young, you know, true of I mean certainly Chris Paul recently, I think it's I don't know, we just need someone to buck the trend and we need to see proof of concept. But so far, I just I maybe it is the resource allocation, like it's not and like you said, it's not money. It's just that if if like Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan's, you invested your money in play finishing bigs. Yeah, and what's your you know, so the best versions of those teams, it's like you had JJ Reddick as just it was like you asked him to do one thing, you asked him to shoot, like there was no secondary. I guess Blake like that to him, you know, but the theory of that team was very much Chris Paul is orchestrating everything. Yeah, and yeah, I don't know. Yeah, well you brought up Lebron and Luca too. I think I mean, is that just a size thing, Like is that just that because they're big enough to not be, you know, vulnerable on certain switches, or maybe what it is is they can guard different positions and so you can just put more size and versatility everywhere else. I don't know, it's not really a point guard thing. It's to me, it's like a small guard thing. It's hard if a small guard is your best player more than anything. Yeah, I think that's the best way to frame that for sure. Let's move on to this next one, which is mine I believe, or if it's not mine, I'm looking at the wrong mail bag document. Excuse me, so well, this is one really for both of us. It's Nikola chekolov S. I can't believe I'm asking this, But can Sacramento win a playoff series? Assuming they are in four to five? What would be their best matchup? Let's have these Kings fans dream a little, and so playoff series is And look, the Kings are just into their fourth in the West as we record this right now, which is just absolutely bonkers. And I actually I'm sort of wondering, like, when you're looking at the four five matchup of the potential options, is their best matchup kind of already there? It's the Mavericks, just because they're so Luca centric that I know lucas a killer in the playoffs. I nobody's kind of threatened to do the Clippers defense in years past, and the King's defense is not on that level. But you have to worry really about one guy versus I don't want to if the Warriors creep up, I don't want to have to deal with Steph would I just like and that that defense feels like it might have another gear if Draymond Greene is healthy, even though the Warriors have struggled there, I don't want to deal with the Pelicans. If I'm the Kings, you certainly don't want to deal with the Grizzlies, the Nuggets, and it doesn't matter if they're not falling to fifth. And I think I'm also just having trouble of like I guess you could say the Clippers because of how unhealthy they are and just how much their offense has struggled. But just like the idea of like, well, if Kawai and Paul George are both playing, that's not necessarily a team I want a part of. And then I also just can't see like the Jazz, the Blazers, the Timberwolves kind of come up to get to that fifth spot. This should be noted though, like a team like the Oklahoma City Thunder or two and a half games out of number five, and so like that, maybe you'd prefer that matchup if you're a Sacramento even though OLDCC just defends its ass off, but I would go with I think the mass would be their best bet of the most realistic options. Do I think they can win a playoff series, No, I just don't think that they're going to have the defense to do it. Their offense is thermonuclear AF and we've seen like they have some defensive highs, but they're gonna be teams that are able to really go at them and their rim protection in the postseason. I don't think they have the level of wing defenders that you need. I mean, davey On Mitchell has been good, Darren Fox has been better this year as well, and Harrison Barnes and Keith and Murray are kind of in the fine category. And they've gotten some good minutes from kazy Akpola. But like when you're looking at some of the wings that you're going to have to go up against in a prospective playoff series, they just don't have that guy to throw at them. And as we've talked about historically, like the context is to be successful in the playoffs, you need to have more of a balanced approach where it's the top ten offense and defense goal. And I do think the Kings their offense is top end enough to where there's some cushion to where the defense can be a little bit worse. I just don't know that the pinnacle of their defense is going to be good enough to beat pretty much any team that we've named a gout Like if yeah, if you go up against the Timberwolves or the Jazz or the Thunder, like, we can have a conversation. But if it's the MAVs, if it's the Clippers, if it's the Warriors, I'm picking those teams over the Kings right now. Yeah, I don't have a lot to add. I think my first thought was it's got to be a team that has a defense that's as bad or close to it as as the Kings, because I just I don't I don't have any confidence that they're going to be able to stop anyone on offense. So it's like you got to just be able to hope that you outscore out shoot on the other end, you know, four out of seven times. So yeah, Dallas to me was the clear, you know, best option of the nearby realistic ones. But I would even say, I think if you're the Kings. You'd probably rather see Denver than like a healthy New Orleans or a healthy Golden State, just because you know you're gonna base everything around Sabonis and so that means you're gonna necessarily engage Yokich on defense, and if if you're looking for ways to do it, have Yokich be forced into positions where he's trying to track Dear and Fox in a pick and roll, or like a handoff game, or be involved in covering handoffs to Kevin Herder, like that kind of stuff. Like I don't think there's any scenario where the Kings would beat the Nuggets, but I like that better than some of the other options. Obviously, if you if Portland were to come up and make it that high, seems unlikely. Utah, the same way those are the other two teams I thought of, is you know, just not good enough defensively, so you turn it into a shootout where both teams go for one hundred and thirty points, and maybe the Kings like that's the recipe for a King's playoff win, is to just score enough to offset the one twenty five that they're going to give up. Truly incredible, that they're in the conversation for I know that the margins are thin in the middle like the Grizzlies and nuggets are cut above everybody else right now, But to be in the conversation for a top four seam, we're not trying to ship alone. If they could make a trade, which we talked about encumbered picks in the previous podcast, Like because the way that their pick is, they sent out twenty twenty four to Atlanta and it's protected until Kingdom come. Are they going to be able to go out and get like a wing that could help that they were able to trade for, like a even just a Josh Hart or some Josh Richardson might even help them. I don't know if that changes how I feel about this question, but that still seems like their biggest need. YEP, agree, This is another another both of us can handle it. So this is from Cosmic Raccoon. Oh no, sorry, where are we? Oh? This is this is another common one. I just read the wrong one Moose Machine. What teams would you most like to be the GM of this deadline? And why? Also, what would you least like to be the GMO? And why throw that to you first? I don't want to have to be the GM of the Lakers, just because I don't want to be Rob Plink necessarily and to have to make regardless of what you think should have happened over the off season to now, let's just fast forward and out have to make the decision of whether to trade these distant first for a team that just can't win a title this year. Like there's just no realistic outcome that the Lakers end up being champions because they use these picks. I just don't see that. I don't want to have to make that decision. In terms of it, I would love to be the GM of would be the Knicks because I would tear that motherfucker. Oh wow, you're still there. It would be so unexpected, and you'd be able to get like all of a sudden value for Julius Randall. You could see what else you're gonna Like, I don't even know that. I'd be focused on getting rid of like a foreigner or Derek Rose at this point. I'm probably not trading jail and Brunson, but like, oh, what's Mitchell Robinson's value? Like No, I am angling towards something bigger, better, something that's more aspirational than we just want to be like, oh, maybe we'll be in the conversation for a four seed in the East, but we're never gonna win more than a single playoff series with this this core. That's why I would want to be the gem of the NIXT to pivot. I actually would want to be the like I'd want to be David Griffin right now in New Orleans, just because there's so many different things you could do, and there's there's so many different guys that you could deem expendable but not really And I know that the trade market isn't like sexy at the moment, but like they're just built with their salary filler, the picks that they have, some of the players and prospects that they have, They're built to do so many different things that there's this endless optionality at their disposal. And so I'd love to be the Pellkins, but like as sort of this like sinisterism, I would love to be in charge of the Knicks and just be Leon Rose right now because I would blow everybody's minds with the cell job that I pull off. It would be great to be David Griffin because you could just walk around exclusively strutting, just because he was like so maligned for so long and every this we are not that far removed from like this guy's gotta go. The Van Gundi hiring was terrible, What are we doing with all these picks? And then now like Jackson Hayes, now it's like, yeah, David Griffin's in good change. I would add the Grizzlies to that, because the Grizzlies can do whatever they want they're at That's why I don't want to be the yeah, right, you might not need to do anything the other two teams I would want to be. I would want to be the Pistons in the Spurs because you can just sit out here looking like who wants to give us everything you have for yaka peartle and for our dead cap space and like you want to trade three future first for Bogdanovitch. We're listening, like you could just be the asshole. You're the only store. It's open, you can charge whatever you want. Would you want to be MASSI to that end? Because what if you were just willing to burn it down? I'm scared of being MASSI because of the same reason, like the opposite reason, because like it seems like something needs to happen. Except both extremes, in terms of tearing it down or adding are very much in play, and I don't know which I would want to pick. I don't I like the clear path, that's the Detroit San Antonio thing is fun. Two more that I would not want to be a GM of the Atlanta Hawks because that's already burning down. That's a tough spot. And the Calves, because the Calves have such a clear need and they don't have a good way to fill it. They need a small forward, they need a big wing that can shoot and defend because they're too small in the backcourt and they don't have enough shooting in a lineup that has Mobile and Jared Allen. It's like everybody knows what you need. Everybody also knows you don't have a lot of good resources to acquire it, and so you're gonna get some tough offers like that are not you know, they're gonna get held over barrel a little bit, and you just your options are so limited that that feels like a really constricted position to be in. But if you're the GM of the Catoftics, your team is really good so that helps. This next one comes from Cosmic Raccoon fake trade for the off season. This is going to set some things on fire. Jaw and green KPJ and a good first round pick for Trey Young. The only reason I ask is because there's so much smoke about issues in Atlanta and with a new GM, it seems like they may be ready to hit the reset button to some extent. So if they start looking at trade Trey, how competitive do you think that offer is? Do you want to take us through before you respond to that trade offer? Take us through the latest in all things tray Young in Atlanta. Ops. Yeah, I mean jump in because I'll forget some of it. But basically, I mean this is all to say that talking about what a good tray On return package would be is not like fanciful to me at this point. It's something you should be considering. So the Hawks have essentially, you know, Travish Link, who's the general manager. Maybe I don't know what his actual title was, but he was in charge of personnel and making decisions. He's gone. They said he went to a consulting role. It sounded like some comments from John Collins involved air quotes and everybody agreed that like he had been he had been retired, or basically it's like, yeah, sure, he's winking fifty times. Yeah he's still He's still in the picture. It doesn't seem to be Landry Fields, who is a former player who I think is like thirty four or thirty I mean as a young guy has front office experience, but he is now in that position. Kyle Korver is involved. There's all the name McMillan, Trey Young stuff from earlier this year. There's also reports now that Trey Young chartered a private plane to leave after Game two of a playoff series last last year. Was it don't I can't remember what it was. Bad look whatever it was, the specifics and that name. McMillan essentially asked owners, asked the Wrestlers ownership, Tony Wrestler and his son Nick, who's making decisions? I think it's Nick asked to be allowed to not coach the team anymore, and then was convinced to stay, even though nobody seems to think he's going to be there beyond this season. So tire fire. Basically, in addition to the Hawks underperforming and Trey Young not making threes, so that's where we are. That's where we are right now, and that's why this question is not totally out of left field. So and as far as the tray package goes Jalen Green KPJ and a good first round pick for Trey Young? What's a good first round pick? Are we talking? Are the Rockets putting their first round pick on the table for Trey Young this season? Because then absolutely not, they will not not doing that because you're giving up on one. Yeah, but so are they putting they can't put their twenty twenty four pick on the table. And so what you're looking at is I guess the next best good first round pick would be their twenty twenty six Brooklyn pick. I would assume, like that's unprotective. Yeah, So I think even though we just ran off the laundry list of Hawks problems and Trey Young being at the center of a lot of them, I still think you, I mean, you're not getting out of this if you're the if you're the Rockets or anybody without like minimum three unprotecteds. I think just because based on what the market bore, you know, the Gobert, the Mitchell of the de Gene stuff. I mean it shouldn't cost less pickwise than it costs you to acquire de Gent to get Trey Young if you're the Rockets. So I mean, this doesn't do it. And I don't know what the team is. It's going to come over the top with a ton of picks and you know, just basically get Let's give you our draft for three to five years and a player of like Jalen Green's caliber in terms of young assets. But like, I don't so the answer to the question that I don't think that's a real competitive offer, it'd be one I would make, though, just on the off chance that you know, so you decide we gotta get out of this. If you're saying three first round picks, let's say Houston goes KPJ Jalen Green, Milwaukee's pick this year, Brooklyn's in twenty twenty four, and Brooklyn's in twenty twenty six. No, I need it to be like I And this is why Houston's not a great candidate for this, because their picks theoretically are going to be valuable. I want like unprotected firsts in quantity from a team with real downside. Yeah, I'm with you in the sense of it's like I'm looking, I'm actually looking at the packages. Oh that's basically Joe and Green and that nets twenty twenty six pick right, Yeah, because you're gonna you're gonna get guys in the high twenties or whatever. Potentially I need. I need like the potential to get you know, two or three, like top ten, you know, high lottery, a couple top five picks out of this, I think, And I just shit on Trey Young and the Hawks, and like, I think he's largely at fault for what's gone on there. But the fact is, I mean, he's still a really good player, and it might be the type of thing where in a different situation he learns from what's going on here and he's just back to being, you know, the guy that leads the league in points and assists and is the reason your team is a top three offense with like not much around him. So it's a low point in his value, but I'm still I need the I mean, the Gobert thing ruined the market, so it's like, how what are you compared to anymore? But I need a lot of lottery tickets for him, would you think? Because we talked about in the previous episode how the Superstar trade market hasn't really been reset and that there's going to be a line drawn in the sand where you're not going to get those Gobert and Mitchell type packages. I still think, and I'm just curious what you would think. Maybe you're not going to get what you ended up getting for Mitchell and Gobert where it's all these immediate impact players plus immedia picks plus distant picks. But I still think this offseason, maybe not at the trade deadline, they were going to be teams that would be willing to go that route for trade. Yah. I don't want to have to name them here. I think there'd be teams that would be interested on sort of just like a cursory base, just like I think Orlando might look at him, even though he's fundamentally different from how they play. I could honestly see, okay, see looking at him. That wouldn't shock me. But like a team that might be closer to contention, I could still see them kind of making just like the ball, Like I could see the Heat doing it for sure, like going up three picks and three swaps route. Could I see the Raptors doing it he's below six seven, so maybe not. But just like that's a team that should if you want to keep Siakam and it would and Scott like keep two of Siakam, O, Gianna, Obey and barn So two of those guys are off are off the table, then it's one of them. All the picks maybe include Fred Van Bleeting and sign and trade. I mean you could also make that offer now, but I think that if the Hawks do move Trey Young, they would get a kitten kaboodle offer, Like I think it would be a pretty massive return. I also think they should trade him. Like whether we're like talking about the could they they definitely could, and there will be offers. I agree. I agree with you totally that there will be a team that is willing to give up a lot. But I feel it seems to me that you know, whether whether you think he's the reason for everything going wrong, like he's at least whether it's it's causal, it's at least a pretty strong correlation at this point, and now, like how many relationships are fractured, you know, between you know, within the team, between Young and the front office, which like we've seen two coaches now, I think I just think it's how often does a situation like this reverse? And you know, a year from now we're talking about like the Hawks are back, everything's fine. It just doesn't feel like it's trending that way. And I would kind of want to get out ahead of it if I could. If you got the right package, do you know which teams should do it? It should be it Andre Young, the Clippers. No, the Suns. So what are you giving up? Whatever they want? No, it's you're not getting up Micaal Bridges or Devin Booker. I give up eight And if they wanted him, they won't. They have Capella, they have on Yako Kongu. Chris Paul Salery's just kind of floating around out there. Let's get him to Atlanta all these years later when they probably should have drafted him. Picks. Would I put Cam Johnson on the table? I would consider it, but they have all their own picks, and it's like if you're going for the pick based package and then like, yeah, you could get you know, if Aidan's thrown in there, he rerouted to a third team that catch you something. The Suns would just be interesting, Yeah, I mean, because you know why they'd be interesting because Devin Booker is scalable as fuck, scalable and app and can play next to any anyone. Yeah, that's I like that one. I'm gonna jump ahead to this because I want to leave the because you have one left, and then I want to leave the contender question for last. But Swag says, hoping the Celtics could target a wing before the trade deadline, Howser's dropping out of the rotation is performers across the season has plummeted from what we were getting in October November. I hope the Celtics trying to target a players such as Cam Sadiq Bay Jeln McDaniels. So any good wing targets for the Celtics who are not you know, they don't need a master trade. They're not gonna give up a ton two Swags point Sam How's was shooting twenty eight percent from three since the end of November. Basically, I if they wanted to go the wing route, like they have to kind of think small and so three names. Joe McDaniels was a good one. I thought about Davon Reid from the Nuggets, and then also if the Suns decide to sell. Damian Lee could be a really good fit in Boston too. Yeah, that's I didn't think about him. What do you think about Kelly Ubert? I know he's hurt, but if you could say he's going to be back for the playoffs, I don't know how you make that money work, because really start with Gallo, who's like, that's that six million dollars You've you've got Pritchard two that Pritchard is kind of superfluous on the roster now. But yeah, if I'm in the Celtics, I guess I want so if you're upgrading that position, you'd like someone that could really defend or could really shoot ideally both, but you can't do that with their assets. So yeah, Damian Lee's a really good one. Let's see what's that? Does Landry Sham to do anything for you? Is it too small? I think he's probably. I'd probably rather just roll the dice on Sam Houser to be like, could you go maybe he this is too small, but he's cheaper Garrison Matthews if that's the route you want to go, or maybe you you want someone you're gonna trust is shooting more than Sam Houser. I don't know that you would trust him more than Sam Houser in general. But and I mean, like if you were looking to go the let's not touch the core, but we want to get someone who makes some money. You have Gallinari at six and a half million, and then you attached like a smaller salary to his that you could bring back a ten million dollar player. And I just don't know, like who really stands out for the like because now you need to attach something to that and it's not going to be a first round pick clearly, and so it has to be on the lower scale there. I just don't know who necessarily falls under that umbrella, which is why it's so like what about Gary Harris? For them, you would still need to probably trade three players to get his money. Yeah, that's super tough. No, I mean Terence Ross, it is kind of the same way. You have to give up less for him than Harris. But I mean, really talk about a first world problem like the Celtics. Just you know, Sam Houser could just run hot and then would be like silly for us to even be talking about this, right, And so it's like even like a row cove you could get there that's not someone that's going to be whatever, and the Clippers aren't going to give you a mere coffee. Josh Richardson would be I think would be fine for this team. But you can't, like Gallo, you can't send him back to San Antonio. They already like stretched and waved him. So that's tough. Utah doesn't really have like they have all these expendable players, but none of them are true wings and so like that's not a team you could do business with. Detroit, Like you're not getting in the boy On mcdonovitch sweepstakes either, and so it's it's kind of tough for them there. Ubre is Ubre is interesting. It's just so hard to get to his money, which is why it's like jail and McDaniels is just inherently more intriguing. Would Portland look at like giving you nas little like after they extended him and I just got back to I don't know. I think they like. I mean, I saw one good game out of him where he made a few threes, and I think they like the idea of him. I think Portland, I mean, this isn't a Celtics guy, but like I think Portland's a pretty decent bet to try to move Josh Hart ahead of his player option for next year, and Little would be more valuable to the Blazers if Heart is gone, just because his role would increase. A flyer on cam would be fine. Max said, if you like, don't really care about the shooting, Yeah, we're very much in flyer territory. I think even sidiq Bay is, like, you know, he lost his starting job for a while, but even that seems like that might be tough for the Celtics to come up with enough, because you know, if you if if you wait a year, maybe Sidi Bay's value goes up. If you're Detroit, you don't necessarily need to move him right now. Imagine if they were just because they could get to the money. Imagine they were willing to move a distant first round pick twenty five or twenty seven, and they went after Kyle Kuzma. Oh man, that would be I mean, because then but you're you're definitely not resigning him, right, I don't think, Well, because it's gonna cost too much and you've got all his other obligations. I just can't imagine Al Horford gets cheaper that's true. He goes to ten million next year, right, and then like if you have to like do you need both Derek White and Malcolm Brogden at this point and the Kuzma if you're you're already in territory of what are they not gonna pay Grant Williams, I would think they were gonna pay him. Interested for you to say you could keep Kuzma's that Grant Williams if you wanted to go that route. Yeah. Do you think Kuzma is interested in being a piece on a winner or does he want to be like I think he might want to, but might be more interested in, like I get to explore the space a little bit, which he sort of does right now. But I think he likes that that's fair and he might have the markets where it doesn't matter. But I would think if they're just gonna pay him that, like if after he kind of signed what became is below market deal, like this extension that he's wrapping up, I think maybe the money might talk. Yeah maybe so, yeah, that would be I mean it's hard to do better than that if you're Boston Kuzma. I mean, no one's talking about them, is like what if they went in and like went after that type of player because they just don't have the salary matching. But if the Wizards decide to sell, Boston has first round picks to trade, and like just they could step ladder their salaries, there'd be interesting. All right, you want me to jump to this? Uh? This next one here, this is fun. This is from unbiased Pistons fan and this doesn't even have to do with a Pistons player, so totally unbiased. How much sweetener would you need to give if you're the Timberwolves in a Rudy for Kessler trade? So using this as a springboard, I think we just need to make the comparison between the two between Rudy Gobert and Walker Kessler because obviously this they're not going to do this trade. It's like a tongue and cheek question. But holy shit, like this is a question. And so here's the thing, all right, So let's just say we can see that all that really matters in comparing these two players. Are you know you want rim protection, you want like some pick and roll finishing. You really don't need a lot of offense other than offensive rebounding. I guess for this player type. Just this is these guys are just interior defender, shot deters, rebounders essentially, so switching, you know, getting out in space, passing whatever, we don't it's not super important. So just like of the basics that you need from these guys, here are some numbers. Stop me whenever you want if one of these jumps out at you. So Rudy Gobert is allowing fifty six point nine percent on seven point two field goals defended per game inside six feet fifty six nine. Kessler's at fifty fifty one point six, so over five percent better on slightly fewer six field goals defended inside six feet, Gobert knocks opponent room attemph frequency down by six point two percent. That's in the ninety eight percentile, So guys like just try other options. When Rudy Gobert is in the middle. That is still very much true. Kessler is at minus four point one percent. That's the ninety fifth percentile among bigs. So maybe the ninety eight versus the ninety fifth matters to you. Maybe it doesn't in terms of opponent rim accuracy. So the finishing rate when Gobert's on the floor opponents finish four point six percent worse, Kessler four point eight percent worse. So Kessler's got him there. Gobert's averaging two blocks per one hundred possessions, Kessler is averaging four point eight per one hundred possessions. There is not a case for Gobert being a better rim protector, shot deter shot blocker than Walker Kessler, who is a rookie this year right now. So the other thing that really jumped out at me, and you can't always attribute this to centers, but so Kessler knocks down opponent accuracy in the mid range, including short mid range and all the other cleaning glasses is all cleaning the glass short, mid range and then mid range overall at a ninety first percentile clip. So not only do opponents not finish when Kessler is at the rim, they somehow don't make mid rangers, I think, and floaters and stuff. So I think this is a testament to Kessler actually just moves better than Gobert, and he's out contesting these shots and he's a factor outside the charge circle basically, which Gobert, as the numbers show, are not when so in total contrast, teams go bonkers for mid range and floating range. When Gobert is on the floor this year, their percentages in attempts and free and accuracy are like a way up. So the defensive pieces just like Kessler all the way, I think, so pick and roll. Neither of them get the ball very much on offense. Gobert gets about two per game as the roll man, Kessler's barely under one. Seventy first percentile and scoring efficiency for Gobert seventy fourth for Kessler. Small piece, Kessler is at least comparable rebounding Gobert seventeen point nine per one hundred, Kessler seventeen point four per one hundred. Kessler's better on the offensive boards. I just don't know where to's like, keep going. It's so stupid that this is comparison. Kessler has a higher true shooting percentage, hire assist rate, lower turnover rate. His box plus minus is like five x better than Gobert's this year. We don't have to feed him post ups or trying the ball in his hands. Doesn't seem to piss off every teammate he's ever had. The on off stuff is all Kessler, even if Gobert's defensive on off split is actually a little bigger. He cripples the Wolves offense this year. I think if you're looking for a silver lining, Gobert has been part of like elite offenses in Utah, and Donovan Mitchell had a bunch of quotes recently about how like it just takes time to figure out how to play with him. So charitably, Gobert has a lot of offensive upside in terms of his impact, But the fact is that right now Kessler is just a better player in terms of all this stuff we just went through, and on off stuff, you can absolutely make the case that Walker Kesseler is a better player than Rudy Gobert right now today. And the arrows on their careers are like xing, like one's headed down, one's headed up. The one thing to added this, by the way, Walker Kessler one point five mid range blocks per thirty six minutes, Rudy Gobert point five mid range blocks for thirties minutes. And even if you go raw totals, Kessler has thirty five mid range blocks this year to Rudy Gobert's fifteen, So it's just like a totals thing. The contracts as well as you sort of just mentioned also with the aging curves, I think you can say Walker Kestler right now is the more valuable asset than Rudy Gobert, even if you don't believe he's the better player, which might just be might just be a stretch, because you do have to look at sort of like there's the issue of expectations, the level of competition that Kessler goes up against in more limited playing time than Gobert does. Look at his surroundings. I don't think Kessler's not surrounded by a bunch of great defenders, but like the Wolves were very much doing this just experimental gambit to an extreme. So I'd be reticent to say that Walker Kessler is a better player than Rudy Gobert right now. He is certainly the more valuable asset than Rudy Gobert right now. Yeah. Buried in all this is that Gobert just plays a lot more like per game and Kessler has been a starter. But it's I mean that has to matter. I just think it's wild that like we're not that far from this trade happening, the Wolves Jazz trade, and as we look at it now, I mean, you know, the joke is like, how what would the Wolves have to throw in to get Kessler a lot? It's really the Yeah, the contract factors into it now too, like cont as an asset. It just independent of whatever. The fact that it's a question, the fact that you can't actually make a case for Kessler being the better player this year is crazy. And then that's independent of all the other stuff you look at. And if you're talking hypothetical trade, because Kessler makes a fraction about Gobert makes all the team control stuff that comes with Ricky scale deals them was quite literally can't sweep They're already sweeten the deal before. So I was just like, I don't know, do you have thrown Anthony Edwards? Is that what we're talking about to get it done? Okay, let's go on to this next one from the farcas biased Nuggets fan here. Recent rumors of Nerylands no Well being moved and possibly to Denver. Is a feasible route for the Nuggets to attain Newrylands and Well without giving up important? Is there a feasible route to the Nuggets acquiring a Well without giving up rotational players? Based on salaries, it could look something like Nerlands and McGruder or slash livers for Jeff Green is Shmith, Peyton Watson plus draft capital presumably a second which side wins the theoretical trade. And if you're the Nuggets, do you do this to bolster your abysmal bench defense or what's the least important backup spot be behind your kitchen? So I'll go here first. I just wouldn't do this trade if I'm Denver because I feel like Noel could end up being a buyout candidate and then to sort of give up on Peyton Watson and then just any second round draft capital that doesn't really move the needle for me. As I mentioned on the previous podcast, asked, this isn't a license to not make a trade. But the bench has outscored opponents without Yokich by six points since the start of January. If you were to make a trade, I just think you set your site smaller to where you don't need to consolidate so many salaries, because that gets tough mid season where we're talking about you know, three for two is fine, but if you need to go three for one, that's just so difficult. If Phoenix decides to sell Bismack Byambo would be really interesting in Denver been a really good rim protector this year. Nick Richards in Charlotte drew you Banks in Portland. I think that's the level of the big that you're feasibly looking at to where you don't have to. I'd just be shocked if they said, oh, we're gonna give up on Payton Watson right now. I don't know what they like value him long term, but that's the equivalent of a first round draft pick to them at this point, and they would depend on who they were getting back. If Noel ends up on the buyout market though, or if any of like this, god like, yeah, they should certainly be a team that kicks the tires on that. I think. I hadn't even thought of the buyout stuff. I agree, I wouldn't. I don't think I would do this either one because I'm not sure how much it matters what you get out of the center minutes behind Yokich. I think it's more important if you could go find somebody else that could be a help defender with him, potentially if there's a scenario where because now you just care about which five guys can be on the floor in the big minutes for Denver. If there's I don't know how. I don't know if you can necessarily upgrade Denver's best five players, but you're looking for someone that, in a pinch, I think could fly around and do stuff off the ball, and Noel can sort of do that, but he's a center. The buyout things interesting because we've talked all this, you know, over and over about how the trade deadline is gonna suck and it's gonna be tough to pull off trades. I mean, doesn't that maybe mean that the buyout market might be really good because all these guys that teams can't move or you know, can't get the right price, for Noel being a perfect example, could just be available, and then Denver should be at the front of the line for guys like that, because it's a contender and there's there's a need. Like I think nobody likes patients, it's not fun, but I think waiting on the buyout market might really be the like sort of the best return for a lot for a team like Denver and some others. I just don't know, like what I agree with what you said, what Denver could use more than just about I mean, like a backup five time, but you have zeg Naji, who I'm still really I'm just like, what's the player that even ends up on the buyout marketers even realistically feasible like low end trade called like Nick Richards, you could probably try to play with Yokich, but like, you know, how far into the weeds are we going there at that point? Yeah, I don't know. It's like, you know, Mobamba's not getting bought out. That just I gotta day hardens time for them for a minute, Like that's a trade they could pull off. He's like kind of fallen out of favor in New York. But again, now you're not playing him in Yokis together. I know, No, You're you're trying, You're you don't want to give up a lot for like the four minutes of a playoff game that Yokich won't be on the floor. I just you know, not that Denver has a lot to give up, but that that would be difficult. And so let's get to this last one, which will be it's fascinating question, and so it's a it's a twofold one, and we'll start with the question coming from the big fellow. My question is how many teams would you put in the one trade away category going into the trade deadline. For example, the cast Eaton Suns are all teams I would say need one more decent trade to put them in the full level of contention. How many teams do you put into that category given full health? Of course, and so I separated it like follows, and I talked about this with you before we went into it, the don't need a trade. I want to see if you would add anybody to this Boston, Denver, Memphis and Milwaukee, maybe Brooklyn and maybe Philly. But both of those teams could be improved by a trade. I just don't know it. You know, I could see them being in that discussion, but I could also But the point is taken that, like those four teams you mentioned, if everybody's healthy, I think those are right now are the four best teams and could get away with not doing anything. I don't know what to do with the next I had them in the one trade away category. But you brought up an interesting point that it's like, if Kevin Durant isn't healthy, you're just not in the title discussion. They're fifth in defense so far, so it just comes down to whether Kevin Durant's healthy. Like no trade you make. People have talked about a backup big. I think that's a little bit overstated just because you have Nick Klaxton and Ben Simmons. I mean, we're gonna add another non shooter to the equation if it's Miles Turner, sure, but that's like one pretty massive trade away. So you know what, I'm going to add the nets to the no trade one. You talked me into that. I think the Sixers could probably still use some wing depth, so I'm gonna have them one trade away. But here's my more than a trade away teams that are honorable mentions I think people might be expecting. I have the Clippers and the Mavericks in here to where I don't think there's a realistic trade they could make that's gonna make them title like favorites contenders, a team that I believe is gonna win the championship. I believe I'll receive the most pushback. I'm putting the Clippers here that they're more than one trade away, that people probably believe that they probably deserve to be in the no trade away discussion, or they're one trade away. What about this season is suggesting I mean the injury thing is like an injury to a team's best player takes all these teams out of it basically, so like except that the problem with the Clippers is we already know that their best players are just not necessarily injured but not available. So I think I agree that there's not like a player out there that changes the clippers fate, you know, in a meaningful way that they could realistically get it could improve them. But it's almost like trades aren't even the issue for the Clippers really to me. So you would agree with having those two teams in there, then I'm good with that. So here are my one trade away teams, and then we can get to targets very quickly. I know you have to get out of here too. I have the Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavaliers, New Orleans Pelicans, Golden State Warriors, Phoenix Suns with the caveat that when you hear the trade targets, they're like one master trade away. And then the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Okay, so the two that jumped in mind first for me, I think I agree with those also, But the Warriors and the Calves and I'll just take the Calves first, Like we probably said it on this podcast. I already can't remember. We talked about it every time they need a small forward. That's the piece to me that they need to get the problem is like they just again reiterating, how do you go get a three and D wing right now in a market that just really does not have them? Do you have? I don't know. I don't have any solutions for that because all of them are just like not interesting. Every every rite up you see is just like super underwhelming. Jalen McDaniels maybe, but I don't. I mean so, I don't know. On the lower end, I would be curious, and I mentioned his name already, Damien Lee if the Sun's decide to sell or just willing to, oh hey we're not going to have him around next season or something. That's just someone who's cost effective. But I have wondered between Carras LeVert and second Round Raft Equity, could you get Gary Trent Jr. Or do you think they're gonna be offers that just beat that. I think that's I mean, that's a best case that'd be. That'd be great. I do Trent isn't quite I want like a six seven sixty eight guy, if I could, you know, to fill that spot. Trent's not quite that rangy, but he I mean, he's been a steals monster in the past. I'd feel way better about him on I don't know Jason Tatum than Donovan Mitchell or really maybe MOBILEI is the guy that has to guard him anyway, But yeah, something like that would be. That would be I mean, I do that in a heartbeat because I think Lavert is really superfluous on that team, especially with Rubio back the other thing, and this feels like the most realistic one would you do. And it doesn't have to be any other money involved, but just caros Lavert for Josh Richardson. And if the Spurs want to give you some other money back, like you figure, you figure that out, but caros Lavert for Josh Richardson. I don't know what the Spurs want with carros Lavert. Maybe it's a three team scenario, like you sending caros Lavert to Dallas, you're sending something to San Antonio. But if you're giving up carros Laver, you know, first of all, you don't even need to give up caris Lavert to get Josh Wrigson. You could go something like Isaac O Coro and Jetty Osman or Isaaca Coro and doing Windler, so something on that line. Those. If I'm the Spurs, I think I'm probably more interested in a Coorro than Lavert, and I that's fair. Would you do a Coro and salary for Richardson if you're Cleveland? I would? I think I would. I mean, I guess there's the possibility that a Coorro finally, you know, puts it together. He's still young. But I think if you're the Calves, I think this is a right now thing. You don't know how long you're gonna have Donovan Mitchell, you don't know how long. I mean, you know, Mobile has upside, Alan is still young, Garland has upside. But I just if I can get the if I can get the piece. And Richardson is not ideal, but I think he fits what you need more than Lavert does, doesn't he I think he can guard up the positional spectrum more. If you're looking for a sort of just higher volume three point shooting and some on ball jet fuel, I'd prefer the GTJ there. So I would make that trade if it's available. In theory you can make both. Yeah, if you're giving up a quarte par then that would really diversify their roster. Do you I'm gonna throw it to you that we didn't talk about this. Do you have a Warrior's one trade away target? I mean, other than Alex Caruso, that's not He would be my trade target over the summer if they don't think they're gonna keep Devin Shenzo, Him and Devin Chenso feel a little redundant. So I don't know if this is a dream, but if the Warriors were, you know, gonna adult up and go out like Kyle Kuzma, would be great for the Warriors in my opinion. But my actual trade for them, are you ready? I'm ready? James Wiseman ye, Moses Moody, Ye for Cody Martin, PJ. Washington, Jayalen McDaniels man. So you're getting three guys you might be able to play. I don't hate that. I was really hoping you were going to find a way to get Annaobi, but I'm disappointed you couldn't make it happen for me. But what if there Anobi package? Is Wiseman, Moody and two first round picks. They don't. They don't really have the I don't know, be package is the problem. What was there, boy on Bodanovitch package that you were hitching at. It was gonna be Wiseman and Moody and the picks basically just to see if I mean, if you're the Pistons certainly more southern the Raptors, I think you should have interest in Wiseman and Moody as second draft guys. Even with Jalen durn on the roster though who cares, it was already better than James Wiseman. Oh yeah, Charlott, by the way, has Mark Williams and Kai Jones and Nick Richards and Mason Plumley. But I'm just like, if you can get James Wiseman, like, why not try that there? Yeah? No, I I So you're saying Martin McDaniels and Washington and you're assuming that you're gonna keep Washington and restricted free agency potentially, which you probably need to do, but yeah, you free agent as well, so you could also get as say, oh, well, we'll keep at least one of these guys, right, Yeah, I mean it's so sad that that's a yeah, I could see it like it's so sad that that's where we are on that. What about Miami, I don't know. I guess Miami needs a big forward. So are we gonna get We're going to reunite the Martins, so we're gonna put them together. Do you have a Kyle Kuzma was perfect for them. If Washington's gonna sell and they have picks to give up, you need to there need to be more money going out because I assume you want to move Duncan Robinson, also bolly On Boydanovich. They're a great destination if you can get the Pistons to take on Duncan Robinson's deal, so you're compensating them for that, and for bolly On appably cost you two first round picks at least maybe even Yovich in there. He would be a perfect fit for them. Does John Collins do anything for you in Miami? Oh? He certainly does. I just what, like, what are you giving up to get him? Because it's Duncan Robinson and who? And like why is Atlanta doing that trade? Right? Yeah? I mean you'd have to. Yovich is just the gut because the Heat don't have young players. Jovich would have to be in there, and then you've got to cobble together as many picks as you can. Although, like, again, who knows what Collins trade value is. We talk about it every week. It feels like if it's really low, I mean Yovich and I mean Robinson's salary is not good. So I don't know. I don't know if the Heat have the drafts capital, assuming too that any any first rounder you get from the Heat is probably not gonna be in the lottery because they just don't really do it that way. That's tough for them to get the picks together. I think to pull somebody like Collins away, although who knows, Like maybe maybe the Hawks are just gonna go in fire sale mode. It's hard to say, uh yeah. So it's just like I think he had the first round acquity to get stuff done, and like even you could move Victor Oladipo salary like that short term commitment like that could facilitate Kuzma talks. Technically, how are you getting Miles Turner to the Pelicans? So I have him listed, but my actual targets for the Pelicans at this point because I'm just I don't want to battle New Orleans fans who think that joannas round on Junis is somehow better than Miles Turner. At this point, let's just get them like a chucker in there, and so Malik Beasley, Gary Trent Jr. And then here's one kind of Bob Don like Don mitch off Atlanta. Everyone's available or should be right from Atlanta. Yeah, I agree. I think one more guy that you could put out there. And it's not like the Pelicans don't have, you know, a handful of good shooters, but just having more volume I think would matter if like Trey Murphy's off or McCollum is not hitting like and Ingram ever plays again, that would be nice if you did. Beasley is a guy that I think could fit on. Like Beasley to Memphis, even though I think we've said they're not a trade away that that's kind of the no brainer. Although honestly, if I'm Memphis, I'm aiming higher than that if I'm going to make a trade, But just someone to come in and just like bomb Away, if you know, Dylan Brooks is having a Dylan Brooks game in the worst way, I think that that could put in Memphis, just Memphis. Do you think Memphis or New Orleans needs a gunner more. Oh, I think I think Memphis because if you have a healthy zie On, like your half court offense is inoculated against this. The reason the Pelicans don't shoot threes is because I know the Memphis gets to the rim a ton too, but like you're just designed around this like bowling ball that can move east west and it's just super explosive and in zion. So I think it's it's Memphis. Yeah, Memphis has the more glaring half court offense problems, as you pointed out, so that should be I will say, just because I do want to see New Orleans get more of a floor spacing like front court option in there that can give you maybe higher volume than Roon Anne Jr. I have NAS red listed for them as well. I don't know what it takes to get him out of Minnesota, but that was just I thought that. I also kind of thought, because he's all of a sudden high volume Isaiah Stewart, I wonder what it costs to get him from Detroit. Well, once they have James Wiseman, they're not going to need him, so like it's really gonna just be looking to give him away for pennies. Yeah, are you writing your son's gonna give me your son's guy? I was just gonna say, how I like, it's difficult to If we can't say Miles Turner, we're not allowed to anymore. It's it's hard to find the Miles Turner type for the Pelicans. But naz Reid's a really good pull because he's kind of kind of has some of the same characteristics. We would say nag too, But I don't think the Nuggets would trade him, let alone trade him to a Western Conference foe where it's like, if you're Minnesota's kind of depending on what you're getting, this season's fucked. You have Rigo Beron Krolothy Town's moving forward. How important is naz Reid? And so depending on what the Pelicans are offering, Yeah, who's your son's guy? Guys, and this speaks to how far away they are from convention at the moment, I have Fred van Vleet or Pascal Siakam, Like, those are the guys that you're talking. I think, look Kuzma, Eric Gordon Boydon. We can run through the gamut of just like if Chris Paul who I think we've kind of moved. We veered too far to like saying he sucks. Well, I don't think that's the case. I just feel like he's a much lesser player. And I think a lot of this stuff is sort of colored by the Devin Booker injury, the fact that Jay Crowder isn't there, that Cam Johnson injury. DeAndre has been I don't want to say terrible on the events, he's been bad, and I think we have to start confronting this idea that hey, did Phoenix just sign a slightly above average big man to a max contract and that could be a problem moving forward. I had thought about, like though you could build like eighten even if look here's what I thought about eighten for and the framework is eighten and for Fred VanVleet, So like there's other stuff involved, because Chris Bouche coming back to or Thaddy as Young to Phoenix as part of that, But like, would you you know you're getting you're losing so much shot creation as Toronto, but they've been obsessed with searching for kind of a big It would be more natural if you were going eighten for Siakam and building stuff out there. But who has to send picks back and just the Eighten for van Fleet scenario. And I know people will say, one Eighten has the no trade clause basically this year, like he can veto. Let's just I think he wants out of Phoenix. Let's just I think he would have accept the trade anywhere. Yeah, and then van Fleet with Chris Paul and Devin Booker on the roster, I kind of don't care. I would play all three of those guys together and I just wouldn't care. Yeah, I think van Fleet does create some problems there, and his player option and free agency also present problems. It's but on the other hand, no, I think probably probably Toronto is giving Picks just because of the contract stuff. I mean, Aten's overpaid. I think we agree, but like van Fleet, just the Suns might lose him, you know, so, so I mean there's addition by subtraction in theory. But like as bad as Etan has been relative to expectations, like, I don't think you're just looking to get off of his contract without getting anything, which would be a possibility. And I do need. I'm gonna need, definitely need, Like you're gonna have to give me Christian Coloco or Bouchet or you know Pressioures Achua or somebody back that I can hang on too, in addition to Van Fleet. But but yeah, I think Aiden would be fine in Toronto. It would make things would just like start to make more sense roster wise. There. If you were just that's your center now, no more or less messing around with, you know, your six seven to six nine guy of choice playing center. I think I think I could get into that. I think the trade would be Eton and campaign for Van Viete and Bouchet the money works, and then just picks need to go or you're talking prospects, go back and forth. There. That would be the framework. Who says no to that? Nobody does. It's a perfect trade. I think it's perfect. I hesitated for a second, which means it's a perfect trade. I don't know who says now. Finally, we have the sixers who are just they just can't make moves. They're just so like they're picks, and they're so close to being below the luxury tax. You know they're gonna duck it. But the two targets I have for them, they've been linked to like people who make all this money, like Eric Gordon by Donald's like, no, it's not happening. You're not moving to Bias Harris as part of that trade. So the two names I have Cody Martin and Josh Hart and then like kind of the framework for what I have here is Matisse Thybal and Daniel House, let's say for Josh Hart. And then you would have to because the Sixers want to duck the tax, like you compensate someone to take on fork on cork mos and to take on Jaden Springer like, so that would be the route they go. But those are two targets I have listed for them, and I wonder if like, does Daniel House a second and Matisse Thybal, like does that get you in the Josh Hart discussion? Does that get you in the Cody Martin's cheaper so you wouldn't even need to go maybe that high. But like, let's say Matisse Thybal and cork mos in a second, or I would you know, Daniel House has not been good this year and so they tampered to get them, which is kind of disappointing. But yeah, I think I forget what I was working on. But the Sixers trading cork moths and or Tiboll. It's just like one of the most guaranteed, foregone conclusions just because of the tax situation. I hadn't thought about lumping them to get there to get someone like Heart, and I like that a lot more than trying to send them, you know, to someplace with a second round or attached to get guy a guy making close to the minimum so you duck the tax I think, you know, if that that is a concern. But the sixers, if they can, should see if they can accumulate enough salary to get like a ten twelve million dollars guy. And I think Heart makes a right around twelve. And I mean it wouldn't be the worst thing if he's just off the books next year too, and you could go figure out with your you know, tax payramid level the next guy to fill that role potentially. Yeah, I think, like, so Heart makes thirteen, and so we need to be something like you send Pieble and Daniel House to Portland, and then what can you give to let's say San Antonio they have all this money or even in Indiana to take on the final year of Quark mass deal or to take on I mean, like, does someone even like if you don't care about your tax bill. I think Jaden Springer alone would do it, and so would San Antonio or Indiana. Just take him like that's food for thought, But that would be it's It would be a three for one, and you need like a team to take on another player. Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about Josh Hart, you can talk about Josh Richardson too. I mean the salaries and they want to reunite with him. I like Josh Richardson for them, but I feel like Sixers fans might think that that's sacriligious. Yeah, that's a tough. That's a tough. Look like I might prefer to play him at the fourth and PJ Tucker a point to be honestly, Yeah, that's not exactly a homecoming anyone would welcome. But I mean, you know him and hard are different players, but it's just another option at that number. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Cody Martin only makes seven and so, like you could technically lot money off onto the Hornet like you could Tybo and Daniel House, you duck the tax while getting Cody Martin is a second round sweetener there, Like do the Hornets value? Oh, we have Matiste Tybowl. Maybe not maybe, I don't know. I mean, I think the fact that they just they I mean, and Martin hasn't played a ton, but the fact that they just you know, signed him again, it would seem weird for them to give up. But I feel like as as quirky and as like really narrow as tyboles uses are, I could imagine a team, certainly one with like nothing to lose, like a Charlotte or San Antonio just taking a flyer and like maybe our shooting coach can get him to make thirty five percent of his threes and we have a great defensive player that can stand in like you know that he's he's He's someone that I think still in spite of how he's performed, has you could talk yourself into some upside if you're a rebuilding team, for sure. And also Philadelphia has a twenty twenty three second. It's the most favorable from Atlanta, Charlotte or Brooklyn. And so if you're Charlotte and you can kind of get can gold back of your own second, which is probably gonna be like thirty two. Yeah, I mean, Charlotte corner. It's just swinging deals to get control back of second rounders so very quickly to wrap up DeAndre Ayton and campaign for Fred van Vleet and Bouche, who says no. I think the Sons say no unless you're giving me coloco and picks and stuff. But it's I mean, it's that's all would take. I think I think you've got the framework. Cody Martin for Daniel House, Matisse Thyble and that second round pick who says no, m nobody that's happening, and let's go what would be the good last one here? Okay, the Warriors one, we gotta give it. James Wiseman, Moses Moody for Jaylen McDaniels, Cody Martin and PJ. Washington who said Warriors. The Warriors say no because they're just never going to trade James Wiseman unfortunately. I think that's oh and Isaaca Cora plus Dylan Windler for Josh Richardson, who says no. The Cavs sure as hell shouldn't say no, so I guess it's the Spurs, but I think they both should do that. There you go. I think that's that's the I don't even have like a fifth quick one to fifth quick one to propose your way. Unfortunately, did you want to? We didn't send John Collins anywhere? Good for us? John Collins to Indie for Chris daar Day and Boston's in Cleveland's first round pick. Oh, I think they both do that. The Hawks clearly don't care about John Collins, so getting a couple of first would be good. And then I'm still I'm still very much team John Collins. If if if I can get John Collins, I think I want to do it. There are y'all five quick trades? Do you want to take us out of here? Thank you for staying so much later than you said you were going. No, no, no, I let you know any anytime we're gonna I get to say yes or no to trades. I'm always on board so I can destroy your hopes or validate them one of the two. As always, thank you for listening everybody. As Dan said at the top, please remember to rate, review, subscribe, give us those five stars on iTunes. Get rid of those knicks downboats, which I assume are still happening. I don't know, or maybe you know. Let's let's let's juice up those numbers. Follow us on our socials. Check out the links in the description. 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