WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:09.800 Hey, Welcome to React Round Them, the podcast where we keep you updated 2 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:14.919 on all things reacting related. This show is sponsored by Raygun and produced by 3 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:18.760 Topendeves and Void. Top and Deves is where you create top and down, 4 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:23.359 so get top and pay in recognition but working on interesting problems and making meaningful 5 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:29.559 community contributions. And Andoid provides remote design and software development services with a very 6 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:34.679 neat business model. It's a task basis where clients only pay after the tests 7 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:40.679 are delivered and approved. In today's episode, we will talk about a very 8 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:47.520 interesting tool that can be used to analyze your Gmail mailbox stats so that you 9 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:52.679 can figure out which emails you can delete. And we are talking directly to 10 00:00:52.759 --> 00:01:00.759 the author of this library, which is Levan cuts a Zin, the focused 11 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:06.719 software engineer from Georgia of w C and I definitely hope I didn't butcher your 12 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:08.879 name, Elevan, so it's very good to have you on the show. 13 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:15.680 Thank you for taking time. My name was absolutely correct. Thanks. Well, 14 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:21.879 let's start from the problem I faced right before I worked on this started 15 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:29.200 working on this project. So basically my software package, the Gmail and box 16 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:34.079 stas I created, is basically a solution for the very desirable feature which Gmail 17 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:40.359 does not have basically I think it should have. I mean, Gmail doesn't 18 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:46.719 have the feature to find some statistical information about your mail box, for example, 19 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:52.480 who sent you most males? Right in other words, sort centers by 20 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.719 mail tout also where have you sent most mails? You know, the words 21 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.840 sought receivers by mail count and so on. I mean, without this information, 22 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:08.919 it's very difficult to clean up huge mail books without deleting accidentally the leting 23 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:16.159 important males, especially if you have thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands males in 24 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:22.800 your Gmail. Right. Many people have so much, so much mail in 25 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:30.000 their Gmail and cleaning up and taking and cleaning up to have some space, 26 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:35.960 it's very difficult for them. And with this project, which took me about 27 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:44.199 several weeks to develop, and yeah, for sure, before I started working 28 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:50.039 on this project, I for sure I tried to find similar solutions on YouTube 29 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:57.280 as I searched the entire internet, hoping that I would find an easy way 30 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.840 to analyze my Gmail right to clean but I could not find anything. And 31 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.319 when I say anything, I mean I could not find any easy solution. 32 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:15.639 The area only complicated like high software development level complicated. And also outdated instructions, 33 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:24.639 and basically I'm very surprised that from eight billion people, no one had 34 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:32.759 the idea to just just to solve this very very important problem, I think. 35 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:38.120 So then I said, okay, why not make it myself, and 36 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:46.319 I decided to create this software and to record the video tutorial for it to 37 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:51.879 be super easy to use even for the people without any technical skills. So 38 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.120 yeah, the video is very easy to follow. You can find it on 39 00:03:55.120 --> 00:04:00.520 a YouTube channel Leo de Bro. Also, you can find it on YouTube 40 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.639 just by searching who sent me most mails in Gmail, and that's it. 41 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:10.240 You can. You can find it very easily. And yeah, probably probably 42 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.439 on the entire planet. Probably I am the first person who who tried to 43 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:23.439 solve this problem to who tried to share this solution with very easy instructions to 44 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:30.319 the people, to have ability to give ability to the people even without any 45 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.800 software development or technical skills. So that's the main idea. So I think 46 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:42.480 I think millions of people would find this video tutorial very useful for them. 47 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.399 Yeah, I think so, yes, definitely definitely. Uh And by the 48 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:53.240 way, so sorry Peter and Chreas, but I actually just went on to 49 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:58.480 the subject and we even like skipped you guys introduction, but just so that 50 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:03.560 I don't have this pass by in today's episode, we also so you have 51 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:09.639 myself Lucas by an eating case you didn't knew my name before, but also 52 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.600 joining me in today's episode along with Levan are they also hosts Chris Ruin, 53 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:23.199 Hello everybody, and Peter us up Hill. Awesome. So, Levan, 54 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:29.959 you already gave a very detailed explanation of which problem specifically your project solves, 55 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:35.480 and I think what we could direct perhaps the beginning of our episode towards is 56 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.800 which big lessons are audience, which is primarily made up of React developers, 57 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:47.720 can learn from your experience. Right, So basically some of the questions that 58 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:54.879 come to my mind as a as an engineer myself is well and this is 59 00:05:54.959 --> 00:06:00.800 just questions right, Like of course, besides the just big kudos to you 60 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:05.160 for taking this initiative of of being like, oh okay, nobody did this, 61 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:09.639 let me do this myself. So first off, thank you for that 62 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:15.600 and for creating content around that to educate people. That's highly appreciated. And 63 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:21.079 what I would like to understand now is this feeling of I can't find a 64 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:28.000 solution let me build this myself is something that I think all engineers struggle through 65 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:33.079 life. So we are always thinking, even when we actually have a solution, 66 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:38.399 it's sometimes like, it's not exactly what I want to, let me 67 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.720 build this myself, you know. So this is a feeling that we generally 68 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.319 have. And in your case, there was really no other solution. So 69 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.879 I think there are many there are many things, the many lessons that we 70 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:56.879 can extract from there. So the first thing is I would like to understand, 71 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:02.600 since there wasn't any solution out there, how did you decided which things 72 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:13.279 would be included in your solution? Like it not only analyzes your of course, 73 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.959 it analyzes your mailbox, but through this analysis, it could answer several 74 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:23.399 different questions, right, so you did have to go through a mental process 75 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:29.839 of deciding which questions your code would answer and which questions it would not answer 76 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.279 because they would be out of scope. So how did you approach this? 77 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:40.439 And in general, how much time and effort would you say you had invested 78 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.160 in this package to reach the current state in which it is right now. 79 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.439 Yeah, so it was the process of about several weeks, maybe maybe four 80 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:57.439 weeks or five weeks, And yeah, the development, the improvement of answering 81 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:03.160 some questions which features or which statistical calculations should I include in this package. 82 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.519 Yeah, these things came day by day during the process. But first, 83 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:15.439 the very first thing I wanted to achieve, that is to just to see 84 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:20.759 the senders which sent me most males, just to have some general idea about 85 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:28.000 who was the most frequent senders. Right, that was the idea. And 86 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:35.000 yeah, I tried many like I experimented with many solutions, and actually this 87 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:46.519 solution is my second solution about I have uploaded my first video about this Gmail 88 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:56.919 analyzation process. I created another solution before, which was using epscript language Google 89 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:03.000 appscript language, which is based on JavaScript. Probably software engineers find this interesting. 90 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:11.200 So my previous video was about uh hm, analyzing this Gmail using different 91 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:18.000 method, which, as I said, using abscript language, which is integrated 92 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:24.120 in the Gmail and in the Google Sheets platform by by Google. So it 93 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:31.200 seemed like it was more comfortable, more like easier to use. Right for 94 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:37.639 for users, it was easier to develop because I could just integrate a simple 95 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:45.519 pattern on the Google Sheets Google Sheets document and the user could just click on 96 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:52.519 the pattern to analyze his Gmail info and everything was integrated into everything, and 97 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.679 uh functional functional. Functionally, they worked very fine and very well, but 98 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:09.840 problem was speed performance. Before for about like five hundred dollars maybe one thousand 99 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:18.960 or two thousand mail box, it was good enough. But when some people 100 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:24.960 contacted me and asked me some help about what is going on, I have 101 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:31.879 like one hundred thousand males and this solution doesn't work. It just has time 102 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:37.320 limitations, it has execution speed limitations. So yeah, I discovered that Gmail 103 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:43.519 has so many speed limitations for this eppscript method, this abscript code execution. 104 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.879 So yeah, it functionally it was very good, but because of the speed, 105 00:10:52.279 --> 00:11:00.000 it was basically unusable because if you had like if you wanted to underline 106 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:07.919 is ten thousand emails, it would take several hours to analyze it. But 107 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.679 with new my new methods, it will take about two minutes. That's the 108 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.720 yeah. So yeah, yeah, if you had one hundred thousand males in 109 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:24.039 your Gmail with the abscript method, it would take days, like maybe maybe 110 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:31.200 one week to analyze it. And yeah, it was it was basically unusable 111 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:37.120 and it was basically not a solution. So yeah, it would probably one 112 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:45.039 year ago on two or two years ago from since then I was trying and 113 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.559 I was thinking about what can I improve, How can I improve this? 114 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:56.600 How can I improve this? And then I remember that Google has special website 115 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:03.399 Google Takeout, which is takeout Google com and you can download any data from 116 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.200 your gym, from your Google ecosystem, from your Google environment. You can 117 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:13.639 it may be Gmail or Google Photos or Drive or everything. Right, so 118 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:20.879 yeah, then I discovered that you can download all your Gmail data and it 119 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.879 includes just just one file which is n box extension, which has n box 120 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:35.639 extension format and this just this one file includes everything and with the special libraries 121 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:41.919 Male part of libraries and Male Analyzer libraries, you can basically analyze this file 122 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.039 in your own local machine, in your environment. So there will be no 123 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:52.960 uh speed limit from Google service because we are no longer using Google service. 124 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:58.240 We just analyze it in your in your computer with your with the speed, 125 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:07.559 with the power of your CPO. So we have absolutely absolutely total freedom or 126 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:13.600 for the speed of that. That's why instead of days, now it takes 127 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:20.759 minutes and it's yeah, it's like it's it. It now really seems like 128 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.919 a solution. So yeah, it felt very good that some finally it worked, 129 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:33.720 and yeah, for sure. I had to test it in many computers, 130 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.159 in many Gmail mail boxes of my friends to make sure that everything was 131 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:46.799 correct and the calculation was correct. I fixed many bugs, many mistakes. 132 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:52.679 And also anyone can see the code. The source code ont did habit its 133 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:58.840 open source. The software is free and open source, so anyone can come 134 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.879 a beauties or make some suggestions, make some improvements, some poor requests, 135 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:11.720 some feedback, and I will be happy if the community just helps me and 136 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:18.120 helps each other to improve this little project, which is kind of little, 137 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:24.480 but I think very we're desirable, a very good thing, and many people 138 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.240 will be very happy to have this information. Because even if you don't, 139 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:35.440 even if you don't want to clean up your emails, sometimes you just you 140 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:41.200 just you're just curious. Let's see how what what is the statistics of my 141 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:45.159 Gmail? Who said? Who is the most frequent center? Who is interested 142 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:52.279 in me the most? For certainly most males? Right? And also I 143 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:58.360 don't remember maybe who where I send most males? And so on? Uh, 144 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:07.399 and yeah, I think I explained some some differences between the old approach, 145 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.000 old method and the new method. That's the idea. And also I'm 146 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:18.360 trying to think about maybe I can improve it, make it more comfortable because 147 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.519 right now, yeah, user, the users don't have don't need to have 148 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.200 any technical or any software engineering skills to follow this tutorial. But it's it's 149 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:35.399 still a little little technique, a little techy uh steps. Yeah, it 150 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.840 it seems like someone who does these steps, it seems like he is a 151 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:48.159 full blown software development But yeah, maybe maybe I can after maybe in the 152 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:54.399 future I will be able to just make it one patent click. Maybe I 153 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:02.440 will. I will maybe uh edit or develop an on as an ed on 154 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:04.639 for Gmail, like Gmail has some ed ons, right, But the thing 155 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:11.559 is that these edits also work on the appscript environment. That's the idea. 156 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:17.919 The problem is that ASCRIPT is very slow by Google servers. So yeah, 157 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.080 I'm thinking about it. Maybe in the future there will some some new doors 158 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:29.200 open, and yeah, maybe we will have some easier ways to do it. 159 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.519 But yeah, for now, I think it's it's good enough and many 160 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:40.399 people already can use it very quickly and very easily. It is, Yeah, 161 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.919 it is. It works on a local machine, but it it is 162 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:51.080 accessible for all major systems, I mean Windows, Mark Linux. It is 163 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:56.240 accessible for all major systems, so there will be no problem about like always 164 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.840 support or anything like that, because it's based on note js, which is 165 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:07.440 JavaScript frame of JavaScript environment to brand custom scripts, customer programs. Right. 166 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:14.759 So yeah, I think that's my basic answer for this question. Maybe I 167 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:19.960 forgot some things about it. No, that's fine. And also m box, 168 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:26.720 which is the format that Gmail uses. It's not only for email, 169 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:33.839 right, it's it's from my understanding, universal format. I remember that. 170 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:44.920 Sorry. I think it's a proprietary format from Gmail and only for Gmail. 171 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:51.279 So that's why it is very problematic to convert the design box format file into 172 00:17:51.839 --> 00:18:02.160 Outlook format file because I think they it is very proprietary and very corporative. 173 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:06.839 I don't know corporative format. So yeah, there's a box. Yeah, 174 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:12.039 basically means it's mail books, but it's the Gmail from the company Gmail, 175 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:18.240 I think. So I don't think that is the UK is. Actually I'm 176 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:26.680 saying that because I have used emails on a self hosted server very back in 177 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.559 the day, and I would in the time of my life, I used 178 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.480 to take care of technical infrastructure to a few small businesses here in my city, 179 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:44.440 and I would do them some support in terms of like putting the website 180 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.759 online and having their server take care of their emails as well, and those 181 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:55.240 were not Google emails, they were just self hosted emails on on some cheap 182 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:02.720 cloud, and whenever I needed to export mail box, they would be exported 183 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:07.680 using the m box format. And I actually think this is a very flexible 184 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.119 format. I don't think this is specific to Gmail at all, actually, 185 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:22.599 which makes your library very interesting because people could use it to analyze other other 186 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.480 mail boxes as well, actually any of it. Yeah, that's what I 187 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:33.279 was thinking about it right now. Yeah, I called it Gmail, but 188 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.920 you now, I think that if if other mail services can export or download 189 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:44.039 file with m box extension, yeah, that would be I think, just 190 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.920 very easy to analyze these files too. So yeah, maybe maybe I will 191 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:56.599 do some experiments about it. Yeah why not? Yeah, I wonder if, 192 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.559 like, if you knew about this before, maybe you could have found 193 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:07.839 a particular too analy It's like I'm reading the good news and at the same 194 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.079 time the bad news that maybe it did exist that before it was just not 195 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:17.000 under the Gmail prefix. But I think if you just look for m box 196 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:23.839 analysis, you can probably find something that that does this. And I can 197 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:32.400 even see that there are a few libraries on MPM itself for m box specifically, 198 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:38.279 that's the idea. I basically I use these libraries, but these libraries 199 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:45.160 are not user friendly, I mean user friendly for the non technical users there 200 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:53.720 for software developers, but this specific package I developed is everyone friendly. That's 201 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:57.839 the idea. Gotcha? Gotcha? Okay, okay, that makes sense? 202 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.400 And what next steps for that? Like you do you dedicated a lot of 203 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:11.599 time onto this, So are you going to transform this into perhaps a simple 204 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:18.160 website where people can just upload it and have it being parted without them having 205 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:25.359 to install anything, or are you going to try to maybe monetize this in 206 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:30.759 in a way. So what are your plans for the scope base? Yeah? 207 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.480 For no, I don't know yet, but yeah I have someone also 208 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:41.400 they told me that maybe you could, if you could create a website and 209 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:49.279 do the do it more easier, and maybe it would be Uh maybe I 210 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:56.480 can't do it, but yeah, because it is file analyzation, and maybe 211 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:06.279 browsers have some some you know, excess limitations too far, so probably it 212 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:11.519 will be problematic, but I will think about it and about the monetization. 213 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:18.359 Right now, I'm just actually just included some donation leaks and sometimes people give 214 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:26.039 me some donations. Very thankful for that. But about the monetization, if 215 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:33.359 I if someone asks me to maybe may why not make it a paid version 216 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.000 or something like that. I don't think so many There are many, you 217 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:45.440 know, software, so many on, so many good things which are used 218 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:49.880 by millions of people, and they are free, and I think it would 219 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:55.519 be better that this software just to be free, my software, and it's 220 00:22:55.640 --> 00:23:02.279 it's just I think it's just a good thing for my I don't know, 221 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.559 for my career or also I just wanted to, you know, I just 222 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:10.839 wanted to solve a problem. I did not have anything beyond it in my 223 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.880 mind. I just wanted first for me because I wanted to analyze my Gmail. 224 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.440 Then my Gmail was huge and I was thinking, how can I shrink 225 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:23.519 it down? And I wanted to find the solution. And I found the 226 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.400 solution, and then I thought, okay, why not share it to other 227 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.759 people? And I did it, and yeah, I think that's great. 228 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:38.880 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Learning to file access on browsers, the limitations 229 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:44.920 are quite small nowadays, Like there's even an API that allows you to directly 230 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:51.799 access the files in the posts computer, so there should not be any any 231 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:57.519 problems in that regard. You can even like use service workers and have your 232 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:04.759 your or page available offline and you can do the processing on a different thread 233 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:07.240 instead of in the in the main thread. In that way, you're not 234 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:14.000 going to block the view as the m boxes being parsed. So there's definitely 235 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:19.240 an opportunity there to turn what you created into something even simpler for an end 236 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:26.039 user. Because I haven't tested those other libraries, so I'm just gonna trust 237 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:33.559 your your view that they weren't very friendly. But still we can't really say 238 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:38.200 that it doesn't require technical knowledge, right, Like if you look at the 239 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.000 instructions of your package, the first thing is you need to have no jazz 240 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:48.279 stopped. Most people that I know of don't even know what is a terminal, 241 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.519 and the ones that I think they know, they tell me, oh, 242 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:59.559 lucas. So the things that you do is like you you write code, 243 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.039 right, And I'm like yeah, and you do that in the terminal 244 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.200 right, And I was like, no, I'm not crazy. This isn't 245 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.960 an ide, but like that's what people think, whether you think of software 246 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:18.519 engineers. So I don't think that I don't think my mother would be able 247 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:25.440 to use this, for example, But if we put it in a have 248 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.359 you heard of small pdaf dot com is a website that exposes several utilities for 249 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:36.880 PDFs. So it allows you to compress dfs, to merge, added cut, 250 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.759 and it even tries to unblock a PDF that has a password. It's 251 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:48.279 pretty cool. So what I thought was like something similar but for mailbox analysis. 252 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:55.240 You know, if you're if you're inspired, you could even like have 253 00:25:55.359 --> 00:26:00.799 a just shooting out ideas here, Like you could have a price model where 254 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:07.000 if the person wants to extract the inbox, then they have so like if 255 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.720 they already have the inbox, they can just upload, then you do the 256 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:12.759 analysis. You can do it on the front end, you don't even need 257 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:18.680 to run it on the on the server. But then you could say, 258 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.839 hey, this is the free plan, but if you don't have the inbox 259 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.559 and you want me to download this for you and then extract, then you 260 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:32.359 have to pay this fee and then you input your email credentials and then your 261 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:37.319 system can log into their email, download everything, allow them to download this 262 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.519 file and also analyze it. I think that would be pretty neat. Actually 263 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:48.519 I would love to if this do existed, I would use it. Yeah, 264 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.400 that's yeah, maybe maybe I will think about it, maybe I can 265 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:57.839 research more about you tend to actually build it. Yeah, for no, 266 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.920 for no, my main goal was just to make it work somehow make it 267 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:08.599 possible, right, they make the analyzation possible. So in that moment, 268 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:15.920 I was very familiar with the note jays environment with this command line not Jazz, 269 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:22.480 right, and so that's why I just build it. And yeah, 270 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:30.559 it seems very technical, very techy, and it it may be still maybe 271 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:36.640 it may still be very like kind of difficult for non technical users. But 272 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:42.279 I tried to make as easy as possible. I tried to how can I 273 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:51.559 say, like simplify as much as I could, like maybe some also some 274 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.799 ten year old kids can follow this video of toial. I think so if 275 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:03.839 they, if they want to, and if they have strong desire to do 276 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.880 it. So yeah, it's just because it's just you know, just install 277 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:14.200 this no jazz soft. It's it's as easy as installing Skype or some very 278 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.599 very general, any general software. Just install this no Jazz and just open 279 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:26.960 this terminal window and just run just one command type in run just one command. 280 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.880 That's it. So no need to, no need to you know, 281 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.960 some kind of tricky things and several commands and doing some other things and things. 282 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:42.319 No, just type one command and go. That's it. So probably 283 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:48.000 for now it's okay. And yeah, the website solution and website improvement seems 284 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.559 pretty good idea and I will think about it. Yeah, that's that seems 285 00:28:52.720 --> 00:29:00.519 pretty pretty good. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, here chriss, guys are 286 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.759 do you have any particular Okay, so yes, I have one, and 287 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.079 I think they want to have this as regards of dissolution, right, So 288 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.359 do you think there are any other email services available that can actually do this, 289 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:23.559 because I don't know. I think I know about hate. Hey, 290 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:29.000 I think Haye kind kinds of like group image based on centers, and there's 291 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.799 features where you can naturally you know, like you can even block like if 292 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.240 you you know, this kind of meal is coming from this specific center, 293 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.640 like it's grouped, and just so I don't know, do you know if 294 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:48.359 any in service apart from this that do that, because then I'm also considering 295 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:55.160 from the mind of users, So if someone seins a service that could do 296 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:59.799 that for that to that then maybe going to the terminal, So maybe some 297 00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.920 some or maybe I want to use this service. So what do you think 298 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.920 did you in your in your in your search, or maybe when you were 299 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.559 quitting the package, did you kind of have an idea of any of that 300 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.720 in your service? I was this something similar, Yeah, that's what live. 301 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:22.160 So the questions like, are they available some kind of similar services online 302 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:30.559 to do it with special website or service? Right, yeah, yeah, 303 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:37.240 yeah, for sure. Sure. I tried to search with many keywords in 304 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.920 Google, I in read it or anywhere in any social network. I tried 305 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:48.119 to search with many texts, many keys, like how to find or how 306 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:53.200 to start senders, how to find most frequent center and everything. I tried 307 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:57.799 many things to search in the Internet, and there were also other people searching 308 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:06.640 something like that, and there were no answers to their questions how to do 309 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.839 it? They asked this question how to do it? And there was no 310 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:17.359 answer. And yeah, I think I found like one or two paid services 311 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.880 which which provided some similar service to analyze your Gmail. But even for paid 312 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:29.519 services, I could not find this specific thing I was looking for, like 313 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:36.119 sort centers by frequency, by mailtown. At least I could not find it. 314 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.160 Maybe I did not search it enough, did not search it well enough. 315 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:47.079 Maybe someone can find it. But I searched it for many days, 316 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:52.559 many weeks. Even during the working process, I checked out the internet. 317 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:59.359 Maybe something changed, maybe some updates, maybe some new things appear on the 318 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:05.839 Internet. But I think there is no such thing, even for paid versions, 319 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:12.279 because I think because probably it is expected right now. I think it's 320 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:21.440 expected because this analyzation requires, if it is online, it requires probably a 321 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:30.079 heavy CPO usage heavy and maybe Gmail and Google and all the services just trying 322 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:37.200 to I don't know, save some sepure power. But if they if they 323 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:43.400 made it like pre paid series, maybe they would benefit it. But probably 324 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:47.920 they decided not to do it. I don't know why. I just wanted 325 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.920 to find the solution for it, and I just did what I could do 326 00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:01.359 with my powers. I get one thing that I think is very interesting. 327 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.400 And I'm trying to remember the name of this website. It's called I'm going 328 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.000 to send here in the comment section, so it's called Goodbye dot host. 329 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:21.880 And it's a very interesting website because basically it's the website that exposes three migration 330 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.839 tools. One to migrate your website, another to migrate your email, another 331 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:31.400 to migrate your database, and the go is to basically move from one host 332 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:36.039 to another. Right, So This is why the website is called Goodbye dot 333 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:44.880 host and they have this email migration tool which is really it's really interesting to 334 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:51.880 your particular use case because this is kind of like related to it. Right. 335 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.880 So it's about you just input the credentials from one email host and then 336 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:05.200 emigrates from that email host to a different email host using the not s MPP 337 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:13.320 is the IMAM protocol. So I think that's technically if any any email that 338 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.639 is using IMAM, you could connect to it, download the end box, 339 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:22.519 and then do this anout. I think that could be interesting. Yeah. 340 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:29.559 Yeah, I'm just looking into the website right now. Okay, said goodbye 341 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:35.519 to your current host. Yeah, it seems pretty interesting if it has access 342 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:43.800 to maybe n box file or maybe maybe the entire system of mails. Yeah, 343 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:51.199 I'll check this out later. Yeah definitely. Chris, how about you 344 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.079 anything you'd like to ask before it start rapping up? Yeah? Sure. 345 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.599 So. So I come from like I have no back in any of this 346 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.559 email stuff. This is the first time even hearing of the mbox format. 347 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.039 But as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh no, 348 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.000 this sounds like one of those like yeah, okay, it's a defined file 349 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:17.800 type. But it could have like custom field a bit to Z, so 350 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:22.079 yeah, I would just I guess I have a general question like and you 351 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.679 mentioned you you tested it in a lot of inboxes with your friends, Like 352 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.599 what were some weird bugs? Like did you I can imagine you ran into 353 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.920 like these weird fields like you hadn't seen before? Or how does this how 354 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.320 does the inbox format even look and how does the flow like what is the 355 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.199 flow of your of your tool? Yeah, the magic comes from the NPN 356 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:49.360 website. Actually, this this website is I think it's not for regular people. 357 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:55.679 It's only for developers, I think so. So basically the software package 358 00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:05.639 is like mine is not is not available on NPM website because they are these 359 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:13.960 are just for some kind of this NPM webstective for developers who to analyze code, 360 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.480 who write code, and to to who you know, who use some 361 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:24.679 packages some libraries to write their projects. So I mean I used yeah, 362 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:30.880 that's yeah. The question your question about how how I analyze this in box 363 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.840 file? Right, because this end box file is very complex, very If 364 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.480 you open this m box file with maybe text editor or something like, you 365 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:45.559 will see some random some strange things, and yeah, it is strange for 366 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.719 me too, I am not familiar with that. I did not analyze this, 367 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.920 I did not work on this. I used pro written libraries for it, 368 00:36:54.280 --> 00:37:01.280 which are also available on NPM website. But these libryries are only understandable 369 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:09.360 by software developer developers like me. So I and these libraries were available, 370 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:17.159 but no one decided to make it to make a software for like user end 371 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.920 user friendly software. So I did that. I just used these libraries and 372 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:30.760 from these libraries, I created this user friendly software. So basically the software 373 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:36.719 is written. I wrote in JavaScript and NPM is basically the JavaScript consystem, 374 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:45.440 MPM website, the store, it's the repository of JavaScript libraries. And basically 375 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:54.239 with the JavaScript code and using these libraries, I without very specific and without 376 00:37:54.360 --> 00:38:00.920 very expert and understanding of NPM package. These libraries just clified my work. 377 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:07.159 They just provided me special functions to just access, just to read, for 378 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:13.440 example, the list of males, and then I can read in each mail, 379 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:22.920 I can read center receiver CC BCC, also attachments and everything text and 380 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.119 everything. So I am in with the simple JavaScript code. And yeah, 381 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:34.679 the usage was very simple. But for sure the calculations I did and the 382 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:40.679 analyzation and generating these s CSV files. To make it very accessible for everyone, 383 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:49.440 I had to do some a little bit complex programming coding, but yeah, 384 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:54.079 I tried to I tried to make it. I tried to write code 385 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:02.880 with very clean code practices, with very organized way. So even other developers 386 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:09.679 maybe can Maybe other developers will be able to easily understand my code, my 387 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.880 written code, without without huge struggle. Probably I think so. And even 388 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.119 if they don't understand, they can ask me questions or maybe in GitHub they 389 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.599 can. They can make full requests and suggestions how can I change this code 390 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.599 or maybe how can I improve the code or anything like that. So yeah, 391 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:38.000 it is very open in githab. I have also another project. Maybe 392 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.079 also you already know this project. It is the vs code extension block Man, 393 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:52.760 which has already like more than one hundred thousand installs, and I'm very 394 00:39:52.760 --> 00:40:00.199 happy about that. And basically what made this extension, this software Blockman good 395 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.159 was the people. The community. Community helped me so much with improvements, 396 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:12.920 uh, with suggestions, even even non software developers, even just end users 397 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:20.559 who didn't understand, who didn't understand the code, they just provided they just 398 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.519 told me some feedback. Maybe maybe you could do this maybe you could add 399 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:30.639 some this feature and they provided very good cool ideas and with the help of 400 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:37.719 community. Yeah, this project is not very popular and very successful I think 401 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:43.880 so. And yeah, after after blockmen, my next project was this project 402 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:51.480 which is Gmail and box stats. And also I have some other ideas about 403 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.840 other projects. I'm just I love, you know, working on my solo 404 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:04.840 projects and new ideas. Yeah. Maybe maybe I will do another thing soon, 405 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:12.360 I hope. So h Yeah, for now, this Gmail and books 406 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:19.960 that software is available on GitHub and anyone can. Yeah, it's important even 407 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.320 because it's important to be open source because because of you know, security, 408 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:32.800 and some people may and have some you know, may think that it's it's 409 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.239 includes some malware or some badcode, some you know, virus that infect their 410 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:46.000 machine and they can just check the source code and GitHub and they can make 411 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.599 sure and they will make sure that everything is fine and even my code not 412 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.960 just virus. But it also does not touch any other content content of your 413 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.559 mail books. It just reads only center address, receiver address cc BCC and 414 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:12.159 some other things like time, timestamp, also idea and nothing more. It 415 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:17.280 doesn't read text what was or title or anything like that because I think it's 416 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.800 not important at least right now. Maybe if we add some new features, 417 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:31.159 maybe we can have some more access to the content, but right now I 418 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:37.920 think it's okay. So everyone can check the code and make sure and they 419 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:43.519 will make sure that it is safe and secure. Okay, yeah that makes 420 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.760 sense. Well, thank you so much for taking the time, and again, 421 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.480 thank you for creating the school. It's really nice and as you said, 422 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.119 it's really nice that it is open source so anyone can benefit from it. 423 00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.880 Thank you so much for this. And yeah, yeah, it's just 424 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:06.320 again, I just wanted to reiterate it was really a pleasure to have your 425 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:12.320 own show, and also just explaining to other people like the effort that you 426 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.440 put into this and the whole journey. I think this is really interesting for 427 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:22.280 others that are considering creating utility tools and things like that. So it's always 428 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.320 nice to hear. And I like to know if there's anything particular that you 429 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:34.400 like to promote before we wrap up the episode. I don't know, maybe 430 00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:39.960 I will also promote basically I promoted this, already promoted this project, but 431 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:46.119 maybe I will promote it again. My vis code extension Blockman developers, please 432 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:50.599 check it out. I think you will like it. It is a visual 433 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:57.639 help for developers. It helps us too easily understand and you know, perceive 434 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:05.159 and understand code structure more easily because uh, it renders some special rectangle blocks 435 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.679 in the code structure in in the in the code and you just have to 436 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:16.159 see with your own eyes. I think for many people it it gets easier 437 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:24.039 to understand code structure because it is very important for software developers too quickly work 438 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:29.960 on the code file, on the software code. Uh. And if there 439 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:37.159 are no visual helpers, many people find it difficult to understand where the what 440 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:42.920 is the structure of the code. So yeah, please check out vice code 441 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:50.519 extension blockment by Leo Debro We do okay if you if you can send a 442 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.599 link to that in our in our particular chat, then I can send this 443 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:59.800 to everyone in the comments section as well. Uh for sure, for sure? 444 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:07.400 Now, Peter, how about you? All right? Yes? So 445 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:16.360 I have like I just go because on web projects rather web components and educative 446 00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:22.559 So yeah, I just wanted to talk about web components and I think it 447 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:28.079 was mainly because of the idea that I think we at nineteen is going to 448 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:34.440 support it. So I just wanted to write a project and web components with 449 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:38.119 leads. At least I think leads. It's still like a film of double 450 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:45.320 it kind of uses it uses the the Native work Component API, right, 451 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.199 so probably in the project as well, I kind of referenced a lot Native 452 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.559 work Component features as well, so I think it's something people could check out. 453 00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.199 Yeah, so I do the link on the chart. Yeah. Also 454 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:07.079 I used to be here. Yeah, okay, the lane and Chris, 455 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.159 how about you? Yep? Yeah, I have just a quick fun one. 456 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.440 I noticed today that stack overflow open there because I can't post. I 457 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.440 thought I was logging, but the twenty twenty four Developer survey is now live, 458 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.599 so I usually because I like reading the results, I usually also participate 459 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:35.079 in the survey. So yeah. I also saw that we recently had the 460 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.960 state of ATML survey released. It's made by the same organization that does the 461 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.920 State of Job script, so that was very interesting. If if anyone wants 462 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.679 to be on top of that, then definitely go check out State of jobscript. 463 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.039 They always do the survey every year and they release the things that everybody 464 00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:01.679 knew that were released, but like people, how many people knew those features 465 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.079 or or not. Also, today is the day that we get on the 466 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:12.119 release of Angular eighteen, so that's some interesting things happening. Yeah. Yeah, 467 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.760 Actually I think I just did my promos, so that's it, guys, 468 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.360 like those are going to be my promos for today, and well I 469 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:28.039 think that was Everyone just sent the links to Levens from in the comment section 470 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.000 as well. Thank you so much for sticking up to the end of the 471 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.880 episode and I will see you in an extra