Let's just strike out. This is the vibe Bie Jackie. Hi, guys,
welcome to episode five up on the last Quarantine season. Is your boy
in the host for today Joshi Willisy Hi, It's it's me at Guy Puzy
And today we have a very very very special guest, Connor Beer. Hi.
Oh hi, guys, I love that. Let's get this show on
the road. Connor is a presenter, broadcaster, DJ, writer, stunning
ledge and who always has the finger on the poles. They recognize the sultry
tones from the hugely popular podcast pop Sess, which they co hosted on U
and just generally one of my favorite people to follow on social media. Thank
you, patum Jones. They're all I was just saying. I'm like,
I'm just quickly looking at the corner on Twitter say like me and Guy are
like, hey, this nice to nice follow. I'm sorry, I only
follow Holly. I feel so bad every time a random gay tweets me.
I clicked through and it always is at least followed by Holly X Like,
of course that is the actual time, Queen. It's been ancious since I've
had my finger on the pulse. Oh honey, I have a finger on
anything. I how is everyone actually doing? Guy, you were cracking and
better than I was last week. Anyone who listened last week was I don't
know. I think people were probably a little bit like, I'm a bit
better this week. I'm a little bit less lost. Um, I don't
know. I think I am sort of seeing the light at the end of
a tunnel now, which last week felt like it was a train, and
that's like, who's running a train? Honestly, I feel like people are
starting to line up their post quarantine like parties, and I say parties in
inverted commerce, and it's like, I think, but like, do you
about what they're saying that, like one of the plans could be that,
you know, we're allowed to see nine other people for a while. Like
I feel like some people like those nine people like will will be like an
orgy. Oh my god. So yeah, I'm fine. I'm kind of
I'm fine. You're planning your planning events, planning, planning my parties.
She's an event organizer, ladies, and she's not really a journalist. Oh
my god, how about you, John? I know you have actually had
the week from hell, so I will hurt you then. So I've had
a really shit week it's my turn. So last weekend I lost a fill
in which was an absolute shit show. What was his name? I need
to stop, go on, just just give me a minute. And apparently
that doesn't constitute an emergency, which you know is fair enough. COVID nineteen
and all that ship. And then on Wednesday, I was having like a
really super ship day. It was movable outside. I was in a funk.
I was like, do you know what, I'm going to go for
a little walk to the shops, get a few get a few essential items.
And so I did that. On the way back home, I phoned
my mum some a nice little chim wag, and then some absolute cunt on
a bike cycled past me and joint my phone out of my hand and cycled
away into the sunset with my phone. So yeah, obviously I was absolutely
raging and I just felt like shit and I hated the world because it wasn't
inshored? Was it? So we should just know it wasn't inshored. I
bought I literally bought it outright like two months ago. Wasn't inshored. Thankfully,
I had my old phone just like kicking around in a drawer at home,
which is fine, it's not a ship phone, but still like not
the point. See, I was just like really full of hate for like
two solid days. I wanted to murder everybody. But yeah, I feel
better. I feel better about it, But I feel I feel less raging
now. I mean losing something. I think he's probably for me or having
something stolen. It was lost, it was taken from my hat. Yeah,
you no longer have it. It's it's a really difficult thing, isn't
it, particularly when you're on lockdown, Like I think it's just exacerbated because
you've really got no other destructions. You feel that definitely much more. Plus,
who is out here robbing? I know in a pandemic might get a
grip the girls are robbing the girls. That's the means three they get in
your brain. No, it's true, the girls are clearly like but really,
you know what I thought about this John after he said who was stealing
in the pandemic? But there's probably bitched out here who are like completely like,
um like it's actually desperate times maybe, uh, John, I hope
they're eating and I hope they they're eating. A recipe from the Accidental Dunning
segue into new food blog. Yeah, that has been like fully been my
distraction. I went out and stress brought myself a new camera because the camera
on my old phone shit, and the camera on my phone that is now
somewhere in East London was gorgeous. So I went out and stress bought myself
a camera. I've just been taking a pictures of food and just distracting myself
with the food blog. People are cooking the recipes, which is so nice.
I kind of just to do these recipes, took pieces of them and
suckling and just expected nobody really, like I didn't really adorn a meet people
would actually go out and follow them. So yeah, that's been really sweet
as nice. Has anyone been hospitalized or not yet? Not yet, or
no one's been released from hospital to tell the story at least I forgot.
I need to invite you from my social media engagements. Spun speak to you,
mate, Kim Kardashion. Yes, yes, she said high. Actually
she does, stay hi. She says that she loves your califlower corma,
and she spells that with two k's. Guys, I just want to say
I love your couliflower corma. But I did, obviously, but thank you
so much. Yeah, it was like, Kim so good, thank you
for joining us, Kim. Ok you guys, guy, Oh my god?
And what about your week, Connor, how's it been. It's been
okay. I mean it's weird because we got the news what day on Friday
about like the quote unquote phases of how our lockdown is going to proceed.
So in some ways we're bring given dates for things to move along, which
is nice, but also for me, I found seeing all that on paper
kind of sent me into a tizzy because I was like I have to wait
until this day, until this you know. So we're being told like I
think tomorrow is certain, Like you can now go for five within five kilometers
for exercises before you've been told within two. And then on the eighteenth there's
like you can now meet like three or four friends in an outdoor setting with
social distancing. So all the stuff we're being told is like progressing, but
it still has to involve quote unquote strict social distancing, and bars and clubs
are the last and a list in like August and that's with social distancing.
So like as a DJ, I'm like, okay, what are we going
to do so that I don't know, it's like day and after day.
It's very different from me. There's days I'm like, oh, bop,
but I bet I'm doing my thing. I'm fine, And there's days where
I'm like, okay, I got out of bed. We're doing good,
you know, like yeah, I'm really not like trying. I mean,
I'm married people who can be like you can find any kind of creativity or
like career goals in this time that has not been my tea. I'm just
like, you know, what I did one email and that's enough for me.
What you do the rest of the day, that's the real That's a
million dollar question, isn't it. It depends. I've been trying to do
like kind of boring admin stuff that I've been meaning to do for a while,
and I still have a few like I'm still doing some radio stuff,
so I have to check in with that, and I've been trying to figure
out a podcast. I D and do little bits. But some days I'm
like, okay, this and this around the house will take up a few
hours and that's at least something. So I'm just kind of got making plans
and then if they don't work out, I'm not being myself up about it,
but yeah, that's the freelance life. I suppose that's the thing.
I think a lot of people think, you know, let's say that lockdown,
the kind of current state of lockdown ends in four weeks. I think
a lot of people are thinking, oh, well, we'll just go back
to the big gardens and the nightclubs from there. But yeah, the idea
of that transition is really scary because it just does affect everyone in a way.
But we've never ever experienced before exactly. That's daunting for sure, and
it's like nice to in some ways we've like, I don't think in the
way the rs MUK response, I've been slightly different, But there was that
period where you work on go, well, we'll know more in a week,
and everyone's kind of waiting, and now having the dates is nice in
one way, but I'm also like, when it was kind of like gone
by the city of your pants, you didn't have to think about June,
July and August, and now I'm like, oh my god. I mean,
like Dublin probably got moved to mid September, and then this week they
announced that they weren't doing it, so it's little things like that, because
for me that's a big higbit of my year personally and professionally. So it's
kind of been weird to see a lot of stuff that would be sort of
the pinnacle of like my DJ thing every year just like be gone. And
obviously, look there are far worse things in the grand scheme of things,
but just your hand in the stream, you know what that could happen,
things of that nature, But like they're most you're just like, for fuck's
sake, what next now? It is it's definitely a challenge, I think,
you know, that's for me. I think sometimes it's the creeping realization
that this is like a longer term thing, like this is a twenty this
is a year thing, like rather than this is a couple of weeks and
like lockdown. It's just I don't know. I think when you're in a
point of stress, your mind actually is very in the present. The idea
of looking too far in the future I think can become really stressful. You
can get really overwhelmed with the idea that this is a long term thing rather
than a short term thing. And so actually any indication that this is a
longer term thing, like yeah, like these September dates being canceled like that
makes me feel very nervous. Listen, if the pussy Goat Dolls really in
Torre gets pulled, I will riot and that's that's on t I'm like or
whatever, I will kick doors down. They've already moved this. I can
wait to November. But if I can't see the pussy Goat Dolls gyrating,
I will be disappointed that period because I've got me period said Peri period.
I was like period Perry Um and spicy Rice. Oh what if what if
this lockdown means because of a delay. What if Melody suddenly became available to
do al thost like vocal trills like I would say that would be worth three
months of lockdown if she was suddenly free to kind of come on and do
this sort of like ohoh, what she's gonna do is she's gonna be like,
no, Nicole, honestly, I can't And they'll be on stage in
London's O two arena sold at nights and the middle of buttons like the American
Music Awards. She will just appear me like, oh so London, let's
go the fuck? Yeah, she's Nicole might try and do like you know
on next Factor when she did that with Jahim where she just a microphone away,
so annoyed, she absolutely pressed, how week being? My week has
been like stressful of it because I've just got loads of different I'm actually really
busy at work, which is in some ways it's like I'm lucky to have
a working job, and I'm glad that people are starting to book more online
training with us, which is great, but they're booking courses which like I'm
developing, which are brand new, and so that's like adding another relevant to
my job plause, like I usually have so many other things in my life
other than work, and so work isn't this omnipresent thing. It's not what
I think about when I first get off or what I'm wondering about is I'm
going to sleep? But because I've got less things to actually be thinking about
or even just be like engaged in, I am thinking too much about work,
I feel. I think it's just it's just really kind of taking over
like a spare time to have and because I can't leave the office because it's
here, I find I'm finding that work life balance really tricky to navigate.
To be perfectly honest. This next week is really busy, and I think
once that's over, I've got some really big products they're coming to them ahead
and once that's over, I can kind of just try and get some more
routine in. But so works really been between this week. It's kind of
um, that's stressed me up. Plus now it's been on nights. He's
on nights all this this week, so that's just been, um, just
a bit mustley pattern. I think it's been a bit poked ab. Other
than that, I mean it's all mundane stuff really not very interesting. But
yeah, but um, in a mental health space, I definitely feel probably
a bit bit better than I did I have in previous weeks. Um.
But there's been loads of interesting and funship getting on this week to kind of
keep me slash like distracted but entertained, and kind of quite a lot of
drama for the girls. I really feel like this week has um like people
have more time to drag. Yeah, people are getting like like yeah you
end of the tether stuff, Like they get upset about the smallest things because
where you know, in such a difficult situation for sure, I mean definitely
a point of drama which had us gagging this week was when Attitude, well
specifically the published an owner of Attitude, Darren's Styles, put out a tweet
that said, if you don't stand by your friends in times of need,
and who are you why? I've written a t Boris Johnson to explain that
without Virgin Atlantic and Richard Branting, there be no Attitude and the allies is
such stature are worth protecting, and so it's calling on the government to financially
support Virgin Atlantic. Now it was an OpEd, it wasn't. Yeah,
like people have it definitely ruffled some feathers, and like when people did kind
of comment on it or critique the magazine's position, they were kind they were
blocked by Attitudes and like this is like, um from journalists. LGBT journalists
too, you know Harry Gay who's probably doing queer house party, So people
who were kind of relevant to LGBT media, they were just getting blocked on
site. Um, oh my god, what do we think about this?
What do we actually think about Well, I just want to say, as
someone who attends the Attitude Awards, I really like going and getting photographs of
drag queens. So I'm not going to say anything meaning the invitation is in
the post for twenty twenties. No, I mean, obviously it is bullshit.
I mean it may as well have come with like a hashtag spot at
the end. Yeah. I think, No, it's just weird because I
actually I saw the the link to the article that was being quote tweeting,
and then when I knew we were going to be talking about it, said,
let me read the uphead just so I can say I've read it,
and like, I can understand that for media brands, they're worried about money,
and that for lgbto outlets like Attitude, sponsorship is a huge driver,
and that they probably were freaked about losing the money that would keep the awards
going and as they argued in the piece, keep the magazine and the sight
going. But it's one thing to say we need this money. And the
thing I found kind of calling about it was people are bringing up issues they
have with virgins, like you know, involvement in the deportation of lgbt Q
like refugees, and people talking about the fact that Richard Branson is a billionaire
and that surely he could move around some of his own assets if he care
the much. Now, I listen, I'm not a fucking economics x but
I don't know if it's that easy, but it does seem like it could
be that easy. So if it would be one thing, if I've actually
said, we are in a difficult position because this like we an't as a
publication can cover this, this and this, and also we can understand these
queer but for us it would mean where instead it was this real like we
have to get behind it, and how dare you criticize it? And also
it's one thing for an editor or a journalist to write a piece and the
outlet to share it, and maybe the audience isn't happy with that particular writer.
But I thought doing it via the attitude account. I know it's meant
to look like the voice of publication, but it came off as very like
one node and very toned down, because there's probably writers on your staff who
don't agree with you. So you know, like you would never have any
publication have the publications social media to defend a piece, whether it be The
New York Times or like GQ or whoever. It would be the individual editor
or writer or there might be a statement on the account of the outlet,
so I thought that side of it, Like for me, I definitely am
like, you don't need to book a pipe of Virgin Media's trash, while
I was also understanding their funding concerns, but I just thought the tone on
social media and kind of waiting in that way and the well, actually they
donated this, It's like, that's not how you that's not nuanced, or
if you were going to write that, you should have had someone else come
in and pay them, pay them to ride in our head disagreement. You
know, it was just very badly handled, aside from the piece being a
bit whack in and of itself, yeah, yeah, sure, surely they
could have just reached out, you know, they've got a platform, they've
got an audience and just been like, hey, listen, guys, we're
not going to survive without this money, and try and raise money a different
way. And the fact that it was it clearly looked like it was the
author of that piece and the owner of Attitude Magazine that was then replying to
the tweets is how it appeared. Because surely you couldn't pay somebody enough to
literally be able to act like the author of the piece. So it was
just it was just really really bizarre, and I think for me it was
kind of telling of I suppose, you know, sometimes the corporate nature of
of LGBT media. You know, I'm test you an LGBT charity, and
like many charities, they're hugely understraining the momentum in terms of fundraising, in
terms of their corporate partnerships being completely diminished. And I just feel like that
hasn't been the same level of importance placed on those real critical organizations as they
have on protecting a multi multi million organization that's owned by a billionaire which has
dubious you know, links to light this deportation. So I do I find
it like it's jarring at best and it's irresponsible at worst. I think it's
just I think what's happened is it's where one person has had a significant amount
of power, has been able to take over the socials. Yea, and
it probably has done a disservice. Two attitude staff who you know will quite
rightly link this my damage our our own sense of credibility as as as a
news source. But of course that they're probably an in survival mode, right,
Yeah, they're they're they're lashing out because you know that publishing does not
make very much money. Magazines do not make very much money. Newspapers do
not make very much money. But money is in the events you host,
big things like the Attitude Awards. You get a lot of sponsorship, You
get a lot of people to give you the food for free and the goodie
bags to free, and the venue is probably a discount rate because it makes
the venue look kind of LGBTQ friendly. So the event itself does not cost
you a fortune to pay for that money is going in this big kitty to
kind of keep attitude of live. Yeah don't want yeah, you don't want
outlets to go. But also, I mean, I think it's interesting,
Josh, you mentioned the corporate side of like lgbtwo representation and how like words
like diversity and all the stuff have become these buzzwords for companies to kind of
cash in. And I do think the Attitude thing brought up that schism in
the community too, where there are people who are and whether you get I
can understands that we might not like the tone they may take in social media
wars on like the tone the lease or worries like the people who are saying
listen, fuck you guys basically for standing by this. We have real,
actuals work to do. And then the sort of the media space is tricky
because I believe in the need for representation for writers from the LGBTQ community to
be employed. I mean, this week MTV News shuddered tons of their staff,
including all people who worked on New Now Next, which was there like
Logo TVs, lgbt online news source that employed a lot of queer writers.
But like, I don't want to see people who lose work, and I
don't I do think there's room for glossy publications that cover lgbt topics. But
there is that disconnect and you see it even with like influencers and YouTubers who
operate in that I'm an LGBTQ commentator, but they don't really move the needle
or do anything other than kind of use platitudes or the right few hashtags and
look cute while holding a product in a post. You know, it's just
you're seeing that disconnect between what some media thinks is LGBTQ and what people who
are doing activism and are on the ground feel like they could be represented by.
And I don't know how you marry those two or can you Maybe the
point is that you don't I don't know. Yeah, I definitely think there's
a real trend of slacktivism where it is like a case like you know,
a corporate idea of what it means to Yeah, representation is one thing in
a sense of visibility, but if you aren't really using your voice and kind
of being disruptive and pushing pushing things forward, then you know, what is
what is the purpose just beyond us opposed just that visibility? I completely agree,
you know, and with publishing, look at caased our News, gased
our news just like all that was was you know, a few sponsors.
They you know, they didn't have the same level of sponsorship. That was
really a precarious situation they were in. And now we no longer have gased
our news. Um and you know we don't with so many like already this
is going to impact quite spaces as things and communities will probably move more online.
We don't want, we don't want to lose publications and outlets for people
to to yet to share their work. Well, I think that also has
to be some kind of there's got to be I think, yeah, like
an understanding of what people are going through and it did really feel tone deaf.
Yeah, it was just very corporate, and you guys mentioned it felt
like it felt like hashtag spawning given the tone right now how people feel about
billionaire's being potentially bailed out with it's like just that lack of reading the room
before you get into the nitty gritty of what have they maybe still behind or
supported, Like just that lack of reading the room people are struggling across the
board was It's tricky because people are in the mood. I've seen people top
of supporting independent bookshops and creators and Patreon. Think there's also desire. People
have a spare of few kid they don't want to see creative struggling. But
so our attitude to come crashing in it's on social like that just was so
so disappointing because you're like, guys, read that backing room, Yeah,
read it. And also there's just something about why there you were on paying
tax for the Virgin as well. I think you know it's criminally underfunded.
You know the legal complic as with Virgin in the nhs UM. You know
the fact that you know they don't pay as much tax as they should be,
and yet they're expecting government handouts when we are as a nation going through
something here where or n HS is being you know, it's suffering and people
are dying. It just feels completely misjudged. And so I understand people's anger,
but let's move on from that onto something a little more light hearted.
So I saw so a friend of the pod, Matt Holwood, did hwe
asking people what who they would cast in their queer superhero films, which I
kind of love this idea because I really do think that there isn't I think
within superhero films has there really been that level of representation. I mean happening
slowly but not hugely. I mean, I think Batwoman, which is on
E four and as Ruby Rose is the first one of the first kind of
out superheroes in in DC. And like there's been like Tessa Thompson Player like
a ute unquote queer character, but it was never properly revealed, like yeah,
she was a bit blow great book. Yeah, listen, at this
point, I'll take him whatever is going exactly like, we'll make her Cockney.
That sort of sounds a bit lesbian, is Yeah, that's amazogy British
for listening. She had like a bag of chips voice. Falconyding Falcony is
class side. Bag of Chips looks. I don't follow her on social media,
so I'll see the art photo every so often, and I'm like,
she's becoming like a Kardashian. It's she doped bag of Jenna. I mean
she looks like the you know, the puppet from your Dolmo Day actually look
like a puppet. Yeah, I think it's a global all the same.
Probably she looks bad, but it's just there. It's really full on.
Like I watched drag Queens in London back in the day. I'm like,
I know what Bagaup used to look like. So I'm like, god,
damn you got that Dragra's money. Absolutely getting a fresh face. Literally.
I saw her in a pantomime in December, and basically but everyone just forgot
their lines constantly. They hadn't rehearsed enough. Everyone was getting re annoyed.
But every now and again, Bag of Chips would just sort of look to
the audience and just say that she took it up the ass, and everyone
would just like laugh and I thing was fine again. It was like it
was like a reset. Every five minutes. She's really great, She's got
charisma. It was that could be useful on this podcast. You know,
you feel like there's some dead air well, I take it up the ass.
I think it's implied. I mean that literally is. But yeah,
I think superheroes haven't like there's a slow push, but there's such big budget
properties that I do think there's still this fear of a queer character leading a
superhero story because there's so much money on object being with like Marvel and DC
movies, and they put so much money into them, which is a damning
indictment in itself. But anyway, absolutely no, and I think that is
one of the biggest stock ups or like gatekeepers for queer representation in just Disney
films in general, because like you know, they're not they will get edited
even onward. They had that kind of you know, the one eyed Cyclops
lesbian character edited in so many countries hasn't been shown in certain countries, and
that was literally like one mention of a girlfriend. But then, of course,
I think the other thing is I think sometimes film like there's a there's
an apprehension around doing it because basically that will be the entire narrative that drives
the promotion of the film, even with onwards that small bit pop that was
really what got all the headlines true, all the memes as well, absolutely
so many memes of that alien. I was like, oh that was some
onworth um. But yeah, so like, who would you have? Who
would you cast? Can cast four people? Who would you have in your
queer superhero movie? Oh? I would say I would cast Scarlet Johnson four
times. She would In one she would play like a pan sexual. In
one, she would play like an Asian transsexual. In one she would be
like a trans Yeah, an African American pan She can play anything. Could
she not be a tree at one character? Yeah, that would be I
am group she'd be grouped the intersex tree. Wow, she's so talented.
I'll tell you who import in mind? Yes, okay, So I so
the four people I suggested was firstly a friend of the pod, Jamie wind
Dust, because I just thought that actually they would turn some fucking yes yes
makeup. It'd be a really good villain. Oh yeah, they would really
be They would serve they would they would do that. Um, what who
else did I have? I had? Indian more from from pose um I
just think that they would bring the sas, the attitude, they would kick
some ass um. They would just bring it. They deserve to every every
ball. Um. Who else did I have? Oh? I had,
Oh I had Tightest, Bruce Tightest andromedon of Kimmi Shi, Kimmi schmid fame.
Yes, um, just because I just think that they would be hilarious.
They'd be so funny. Um, no idea what the saperpower would be,
but just for the gag. And then Miriam mark Goolas as well.
I love her name. I just think that that would just be I just
think it would be a hilarious movie. And I just I love her.
Anything you've cast like a superhero comedy, I love it. You've cast like
an action comedy for sure. Yeah, well do you know what. I'm
not big into the series. I'm not big. I'm not big action.
I'm not big. Um. I suppose I'm not really superhero movie girl to
be honest, but that I think that one I could get on board with.
What about you, Connor? Who might you put in yours? So
I cheated slightly because when I saw a superhero movie, I was like,
Okay, I'm gonna cast like if they were doing another Charlie's Angels movie tomorrow.
I love was bye bye for this so and actually my first pick as
someone who I think. I didn't see the most recent one. I heard
mix things about it, but I think that she's in like a post credit
sequence in the last Charlie's Angels. But I would love to see la Verne
Cox and like a superhero yea is yeah, yeah, she's so. I
was thinking already, that's like a natural joining point. But like she obviously
was great and Orange as the New Black, but like she has that kind
of dance and performance background, and I would love to see her do like
fight scenes and that kind of chiography because I think she would look incredible doing
it. And I also because I never watched the original L Word properly because
I was kind of like I was a teenager was on I never really got
into it. But I just just watched the new reboot of it because it's
kind of a fresh jumping on point. I can't it's fun. It's on
now TV. If people want to watch it like it is, it's both
kind of oh relatable queer stories and diverse characters, but also there's that element
of like it is a little bit of like a fantasy too, because they're
all in these insanely nice houses in La it's kind of aspirational as well.
I like the mix of the two, but Kate I can never get her
certam like Kate Menni, who plays Shane, who's like the ultimate like androgynous,
sexy lesbian, so sexy. I was like, she could be like
the kind of roth chick in the vein of like Drew Barrymore in the first
two Charlie's Angels movies, where she's like everyone full can fancies her and she's
really relaxed. And then I kind of cheated because she's already in superhero movies.
But I would love see Tessa Thompson in like a Charlie's Angels kind of
vibe, and then you could have, instead of having Charlie behind the speaker,
Charlie could be in real life and played by Billy Porter, who could
also maybe beat some people up if he felt, you know, can you
imagine he could do a whole seventies and all because it's Charlie's Angels. I
mean, let's do this, Let's make this movie happen. Wear this hat,
you could wear that sort of the hat that kind of like opens up
to show his face every morning to get Charlie Bears. Oh yeah, I
just think that's my kind of queerest Charlie's Angels superhero romp and I wanted to
happen now. I love that sounds a litt John Don any of the people
who you throw in, Do you know who I think would be a great
villain? Lily Tomlin. Oh, I think she would be such an amazing
villain. I absolutely love Lily Tomlin. With five of them being Grayson Frankie.
It's just one of those shows where I feel immediately at peace, like
I don't know what it is, but it just it just sent it grounds
me. I love it hugely. I know what I've asked you boys this
probably a million times on this podcast what your super power would be? And
I think we even talked about last episode. Or won't ask you all again,
but I will ask you Connor, if you could have any superpower,
what would it be? God, I don't know, but probably something boring
like flying. I feel like to be able to fly right now would be
so convenient. It's in my two kilometers flying distance, like around the place
that would be so handy that a teleportation to school would just really cut down
on things. Right now, it would be very convenient. That would be
mine teleportation because I like the idea of flying, but like it's cold up
there, so it's were cakes to stay warm. Yeah, electric electric blanket
style. Okay, Well, like we let's play the dorm I'm here for
And I do really feel like people we like. I think it would get
the backing. I think there's so many people who are fans of superhero movies
who walk with because it centers on this feeling of being othered and not having
a place and the underdog, so I think it's a natural fear. Also,
I think it's so weird that, like, if you watch something like
Captain America Went to Soldier, the whole film it centers around this huge,
like homoerotic relationship. There's sort of real sort of unspoken love between these two
guys and like they do everything for each other and blah blah blah, and
it's just so weird that the straight people are sitting in the cinema eating their
kind of sort of popcorn kind of being like oh my god, like man's
hashtag friendship goals. It's like, no, they want to suck dick.
They want it. Captain America wants to eat when a soldier's asked so badly.
Oh my god, Now that's a movie I tuned in for. Were
these people watch that? Now? Yeah? This is like what spoiler?
But like Winter, so don't don't do this, don't don't don't drop a
big spoiler five years old. The movie is like movie, it's like my
result, Yeah exactly, And also, yes, I'm not gonna it's not
gonna be like spoiler. They swallow each other's come it is, OK.
Yeah, then I will not be watching a lot of you are. How
weird is it that Chanelle the Parrot was this week years ago? I said
it will see it in Africa way by the day. It's actually like like
I was just looking at it and I was thinking, oh, I wanted
to talk about this, But it feels like Chanelle has lived along and happy
life, and so was Sandra. Let me tell you, Sandra has been
getting her out. She is trying to like she is like coming for that
influence a gig girl, Like I mean, straight away. I absolutely adored
the fact she was on Facebook, Lifetime people to look for the power like
did everybody share this? Can everyone share it? Do you say share it
far? And what? But you know what, it really does feed into
that kind of cause my mum will share, like, you know, share
thing lost dog and I'm like, mom, this dog was lost in New
Zealand. Where it is? It kind of feeds into that really, like
why would people be sharing it? So for those who don't know, Chanelle
isn't africking Clay who flew away from her owner Sandra after there was some noise
in the back garden of some sort. She flew towards the canal and she
was retreating from there, but not before like Sandra blew up online. I
mean I think a friend of the pod, Jack Willington, did have a
lot to do it. Yeah. I saw the initial tweet, like I
actually was online because I've been online so fucking much like we all have.
I saw the initial treat and someone had ripped U from Facebook. And at
first it's like should we really be like ripping people's Facebook lies? And I
was like, oh, it's harmless whatever, and like it had had like
twenty retweets and then literally it moved so fast even it got like someone like
Jack doing really funny memes and love of Huns finding it and then Jay Thurwall
lip sync into it and Sandra any up on this Morning. I thought it
was a weird in how means go from like one day finds it on Facebook
and then it ends up in the national media like two days later, like
the chicking out because people are so stirred for content and media companies are like,
it's not a Corona story. Put it on, Like I just thought
that side it was so funny, like she And that's why it feels like
it happened to one hundred years ago, because it's already had a life cycle
in the press years ago. Fucking it's like the gay Uncle Tom, not
Uncle Tom, Captain Tom. Yeah, it's like the game age and that
really like where the captain who walked around his garden, right, Yeah,
it's kind of like where the media was season on nything. That's kind of
like a good news story. Yeah, and silly season vibes as well,
because there isn't going to be a silly season this year, so anything to
kind of break that up. So that was part of what made it so
hilarious to me, and to be first, she embraced it very quickly,
because sometimes on people take other social media and put it elsewhere. I'm always
like, are they aware that this has happened? Like I don't want my
Facebook shit like over here. But she's kind of ran with it. I
mean, it's not like the cocktail stories when they were like, I get
that people find this funny, so I'm going to let them have at us.
She wants to on Ellen. I think there's always that sort of sense
where someone doesthing funny and then they're doing it to try and get on Ellen.
I really like it when when do you how you know it'll be on
something will be on Twitter, and then it'll sort of filter through as like
a meme on to Facebook about three months later when your aunt posts it and
then sort of like someone's like, oh looking for the you know, looking
for my dog, and someone will be like, oh, I'll keep my
eyes out. I live, I live an next tone over and then the
person will be like, they're dead. We found it, but we found
it's called Yeah. At least Janelle was like, that's kind of when I
saw that Channelle had come back safe, It's like, oh, if I
was sharing this name because like that's how I felt. Yeah, it's not
like she's that there crime for days and the part of dog or something.
I do think it does like I did find it funny, I did enjoy
it, etc. But there is a little bit of a whiff of classism
about it, but sort of like the like I use inverted commas, but
like this sort of like the common you know, woman with like kind of
screaming down the street, Like it's an element of like making fun of like
this working class woman with a parrot culturelle. But I mean it was funny.
But then again, I suppose we did make fun of that guy,
the middle class guy who was like shouting for fending the dark. So it's
like, as long as we're making fun of everyone, it's fine. And
also, do you know what I think they're realistically like, I don't think
there has to be like a class element if because the people who are sharing
it and finding it funny may well have been of that class. I don't
think there was a like I think this person is kind of clearly ridiculous.
They're an extra it on the street. They're shouting for the for the African
gray parrot, And so I do think that, like they they she got
the attention she wanted. Yeah, um, like unless it is like you
know, like I don't think she staged the Matthews moment. I think that's
a good point to bear in mind because even like some of that hun stuff
is really funny, but like you always have to try. I think it's
worth bearing that in mind because it's like someone screaming about a power cutch and
now will be funny in kind of any accent, but it's always like,
what else are we laughing at here? As as long as you're not going
to look at the state of her exactly, yeah, that's what I mean.
Yeah, I think as long as you're able to quickly go, wait,
why am I laughing? Even like sometimes that like Miss Juicy, who
like does say some funny stuff and is immediate personality, But sometimes that Miss
Juicy, I'm like, is the joke. That's just she's a little person
like what Like, sometimes I'm like, this is funny because she's performing a
random pop song and it can't sing, so that's funny and it's l yeah,
yeah, iconic. And then sometimes I'm like, you're just laughing because
she's a little person like it's just that kind of we've got to find about
where, where, where the place that it's coming from. Yeah, that's
what I think. I also I think it's about who's laughing because in that
like Sandra was quick to get on Facebook to we've gone viral. She loved
it, so she wasn't being laughed at. She definitely was quickly laughing with
h she makes coin. I mean, if this is regular time, she'd
be able to go to g a y and do pas or at least two
months. You can't join the gig economy now, Sandra, I'm sorry,
base, We've no gigs for anyone. Hell, I did think that.
I thought that was that she was going to be booked and busy over prime
season. But she should do cameo. She'd make a fortune cameo. She
should I had not sundraggy and looking for you imagine amazing. Well, so
many people in now on cameo, like all the drag race girls and now
one cameo because that's you know, a quick way to any money. As
Elia Banks joined cameo today, call my friend a faggott. Yeah, what
is what's cameo cameos where I'll just give you actually where someone's where you can
get a personalized message from somebody, all right, from a celebrity. So
I got one from Kim Woodburn for my birthday. Oh yeah, yeah,
yes, oh my god. We should do an on the latch cameo Tumbleweed.
We could be like, Hi, it's your boy Gay Frasier or whatever
you do. You know, it's well forty six episodes and you don't know
who I am. I don't see color. Ah yeah right, um,
but we do, like just just going back onto because you just mentioned Miss
Juicy and it's really front of mine. Sadly, we lost Miss Minnie this
week, another star of Women, um who was hitting hitting run. You
may know her from means barnabetit um. Yeah, so yeah, so that's
a real loss. So just sort of shout that out. Um. I
love when you laugh when you're when you're uncomfortable, because like you say something
sweet and you're like, may she rest in peace. That's the laugh that
I was like, I was listening, he up, be like that was
so unintentionally. May she restow yeah, all of our all of all of
our love to her family. So it's hard though it's a natural thing we
all do. That Yes, You're like, we'd all fucking do it.
It's like laughing at a funeral. You're like, why am I doing this?
I know? And it's that kind of and you can't laugh because you
know, you mean you start laughing. That's like the worst laugh, but
like in some ways the best, the one thing you know you can't have.
Yeah, it was like it like school when you were being shouting you
like hit one more word, and it was just that kind of every everything
in your body was screaming to laugh and laughter. Um, but yeah,
cheers for the memories on. Okay, So another another kind of uh kind
of controversy online I kind of want to talk about is or Well. I
think it was a huge success. I don't know if anyone everyone's watched it
or RuPaul's drag Race. This week there was a super fan makeover and the
super fans were all they were all women, And there was quite a few
snarky comments online really talking about how RuPaul's Drag Race fan base has basically changed,
how it's become mainstream, how essentially by having the all these women's super
fans on it, it's kind of lost its edge. Um, and so
can I just get and I think broadly like I think, well, there
was a real mixture. I think of people's opinions, what do you think
here on on that kind of sentiment. I loved that so much. It
was so lovely and pure, and I stand at Janet the Planet so hard,
and I'm so sad that she was stuck with sherry Pie. Yeah,
I was so sad. I bet she was bought the whole season, like
fucking hell. I threw her fingers like oh no, knowing that it was
coming, and the episode was so nice. I cried. It was just
so sweet and I don't think there was anything wrong with it. And have
more straight women on drugs, they don't do that. But you get like,
yeah, I think we're just we've become so used to kind of feeling
suppressed and repressed and not supported by kind of global community of non LGBT blah
blah blah, that we've kind of gone the other way, and now you
know, we like some of these people tweeting, oh, you know,
drug craze isn't for women. It's like, what if we were told that
something wasn't for us, like we were quite rightly get really angry if people
were like, oh, gay's watching the wire? How dare you are they
more than eleven the sopranos, I don't know, like oh their head shows,
let's say, yeah, exactly, Like I can watch mad Men.
It's fine. I mean mad Men I thought was calmed to be bad.
What do you think? Yeah? I saw the initial tweet that went around
was like, I it bothered me in one way because it was like a
still of the from the episode before we'd seen it, calling out these women
and assuming they were all cists and straight, and like one of the girls,
that girl I remember her name name, but gegis partner basically was on
social media even like what everyone assumed I'm straight when I'm not so thanks.
But I thought that was like if we had seen the episode and it turned
out to be a stinker and there have been some weird like oh they given
too much room to sis heap people in a kind of pandering way, than
I would have understood that from in one way, but it was like one
screen grab and this kind of like I'll tell you from someone who's worked in
gay nightlife for ten years, I've definitely had bad experiences with cis heap people
in clubs, and I've had that horrible cliche experience of like cissette women treating
you like it's a petting zoo when they come in head life. And I've
also had and I still have tons of friends who were a straight CIS women
who get it and our allies, and it's not even that kind of serious
a thing where we're like, you're an ally. It's more like I know
you get it and you have my back and vice versa. So, like,
I do think there's a nuanced conversation to be had about how some sis
heat people come in and like don't have that level of cop on that sorry,
that's an Irish term like understanding that they should have. But I just
don't think that this tweet and this set up with drag Raus is the right
place to have that combo. And I don't even think the poster initially thought
of how there's an internalized misogyny and a kind of stupidity to that, because
also like it'd be different. Our Grace was a super underground filmed on an
iPhone. Yeah, one of the most popular reality shows ever made. It
has been on air for over ten years. If you want to being a
sellout, that show was a sellout about seven seasons ago. Anyway, exactly,
it's also just they're gonna have the Gimmicklin's an make up episode. Sometimes
it's they're all YouTubers. Sometimes it's their army veterans, like they're never gonna
like they don't cast the makeover a challenge that way, because the point is
that it's meant to throw. It's meant to be a challenge on a reality
show. And I just think I understand. I think sometimes the conversation of
the female fan base is also aimed at young kind of teenagers online and that
perception that some of them are just trolling and on social media all day.
And I'm like, there may be a grain of truth in some younger teenagers
come to the show and they don't have the same kind of relation to Drive.
But also that's what happens when things go mainstream or go to new audiences.
Like you have to understand that people come to things and they have a
different experience. So all the women on the show that we saw, I
felt like they all had an affection for and a support for drag and it
mean something to them which goes beyond draggers. There's always been like people who
earned queer, who've gone to drag shows and gotten it. And I thought
Jada had a moment where she talked about like people come up to me like
and she don't be even pre draggers and being a performer like three years and
people to her and supporting her and how important that was. And I'm like,
that's what those women exemplified. So I found it an odd starting point
because I do think there's a comma to be had about like the Hen party
piche and I could give you a list of bad experiences have had, but
I felt like using it through the prism of those women felt really off.
And then when we watched the episode, as like, this feels even more
off to me. Yeah, that was a rant. Sorry, No,
it's true exactly watched me go. No, I completely agree with everything that
you've just said. It was a hugely moving episode. And I really do
you think that actually, if we're talking about relationships like for many many gay
men I know myself, actually these sists straight women have in our first allies
in lots of times, um, And I think you're absolutely right. This
is a complex and nuanced discussion about how people are treated in certain spaces,
um like, and there's definitely you know, I think there was always a
bit of a like, you know, a stereotype of straight women in LGBT
venues of kind of hen dues and you know, clawing and grabbing and not
being respectful to performers. But I definitely think that that's that's like a minority
of people, and that actually, as the demographic of the fan base has
shifted, like, that is not the cases at all. And actually,
if we're thinking about disrespectful and you know torch, like many drag queens will
say that, actually that isn't women really being respectful personal space, that's that's
of other other men and gay men. And when we think about who's actually
buying tickets, because drag is a business now and it's a really a world.
Yeah, yeah, when you're thinking about who was buying those tickets,
who was you know, buying the virch she's making the fanel that's he actually
a broad demographic. And so I think by trying to I think it's a
natural inclination. We are modinalized within too side. We have a few shows
that where we feel represented, But I really don't think by trying to gate
keep and making assumptions about women's sexuality. We're going to do it, yeah,
and it's it's nuanced because like I've had annoyance history would be like yes,
Hunty, I watched drag Race and I'm like, oh whatever. But
it's like I know, like that's also kind of not drag racist fault either,
Like that's going to happen, like when things move along with things go
mainstream, it's not kind of always the fault of the thing that started that
people don't always get or do the background check like I saw. And actually
it's interesting you mentioned the fan bases and support, Like I saw one queen
from Chicago lote On, who was talking about She was saying how like there
was a there were women in Chicago who started a database of open coming drag
performers and where they work so they could all organize and go see their shows
because in the US queens rely on tips. So like when you talk about
support, like financial support means a lot more to American and Canadian drag performance
because of how drag works in different countries. And they were saying like that
was an example of women across different sexualities and identities banning together on we love
these entertainers that's given them our money, and Lowton was saying, like,
I see, I don't see a lot of gay men bitching about this,
putting that kind of where we're all into funding our drug either way, so
like what you expect from us. So like I definitely think it's a bigger
convo, and drag Race is useful for these shots sometimes even though it can
feel like we all analyze drag Race way too much. And we'd be great
to have more shows in this lane so they didn't all fall on drag Race,
but it is a nice comm I'd be able to have hugely And I
think you know that like these shows that represent a group within society. So
from that, like if you think about Blackish or black A, Yeah,
at the moment, there's a similar discourse around when there's a group that's marginalized
or isn't as well represented, there's an expectation that they have to be all
things to all people. All there's a great responsibility for the show because actually
is the vehicle to have these kind of conversations. But what we really need
is more shows where more people are represented. I think, So there isn't
just this huge pressure on one show and also make it a starting point because
like I can remember so clearly the first drag show I sawns other than about
probably about twelve maybe fifteen years ago, but there was a jump in time.
But like you know, like drag Race, I love, and I
also know it's not the sum total Dragon. I think it was Tricksy who
said this energy is a few times actually like and it's a good analogy.
She's like saying you like Dragon only watching drag Race is saying you like music
on your You watch American Idol like it's one thing. It's only one fast,
very dark form. So it's like absolutely their queens and drags I stand.
I love seeing the big glossy shows they put on. But also like
I know local performers and jumbles who are all obviously now happened to really innovate
because they can't work at Venus and around the world, you can seek out
and watch their stuff online and tip them and buy merch. So like,
if you have an issue with drag Race coming in and changing the game,
like, well, then put your money where your out is. If you
can even just retweet other performers who don't have the backing of a TV show,
and I think now it's a really great time to support drive from your
homes. There's so many different bingoes events, live streams, and so now
he's a real great time to find out about local performers and be financially support.
Okay, it's exactly that's too sweetie. Um honey, we do have
a question um this week, and so I want to jump right into that
if that's okay with your Yeah, okay, So this came from the Curious
Car season. Want to drag racy? K Oh wow, I should say
this isn't scaredy cat, or at least I don't. I don't think it
is so okay. Um, Hi guys, long time listener, first time
right here. Love the podcast and you boys always make me smile, so
thanks for that. I have a bit of a weird one, so please
don't judge me. When lockdown happened, I moved in with my mom to
isolate. She lives with my stepdad and two of his kids. My stepbrother
also moved into my mum's place for lockdown. We didn't grow up together but
really bonded or anything. Oh my god, Sean Cody, it's so nice
to hear from you. He is also gay. Anyway, two weekends ago,
after a lot of booze and the family went to bed, we ended
up hooking up, and I mean the way in the living room. I
hate to say it, but it was really hot. I think being keeped
up, round up and very drunk all had a part to play. We
didn't speak about in the week, which was really awkward. But the thing
is the same thing happened again this weekend. Just gone, Oh, I
don't know what to do. Oh my god, I know what to do.
Hold on, it's probably just a foot up quarantine thing, but I
am borried I might actually stuck starting to catch feelings, or Mike stot to
catch feelings, or if this carries on. I know if we get caught,
it'll probably freak my mom and the rest of the family out. But
as there's no escape at the moment, it feels like pressure cooker. So
any advice on how to deal with this, how to not catch feelings,
or even what to say if my mom finds out would be welcome. Please
don't take another year long break. Imagine he sent that question in any year
later, He's like, I'm married now, we're married. So what does
everybody vase? That was lowky hot? I'm gone. Family. There's a
really really important academic text that you can refer to when it comes to this
sort of thing, and it's, um, it's called cruel intentions. So
Ryan, Philip and Sarah Michelle Geller obviously Catherine and Sebastian. Katherine uses that
sort of step brother desire to get Sebastian to do whatever she wants with a
promise that he can and I quote put it anywhere. So what I would
do is use this power that you have to get like things and anything that
you need done, you can be like you can fuck me dat a step
brother. Um, that's why would studying and heartfelt advice. Like one thing
I will say is straight out of the gate, like step siblings. They
all like there's like for some people it's your steps are like is your brother
or your sister they're You're like they're like your lord relation And the idea of
having anything romantic or even sexual is like like so far off cards or and
it's it's unreal. In this situation, it seems that they don't know each
other that well, or that's the impression I get obviously, but they've seen
each other Christmas. I don't know, but like they haven't. I don't
think they've. We didn't grow up together, so they're not grown up together.
Yeah. Um, I don't think it's great, not like I don't
know what to say in terms of that part of it, because as you
say, it feels like a particular setup where it's not like they're like brother
brothers and they've grown up beside each other. It does it isn't for me,
I will say. But also I'm not in that situation, so I
don't know. I do think the catching feelings thing is probably just the circumstances,
and that if it were shot up with some other random gay guy that
you'd had a fling with, whether there was the sort of relation shift they're
already. I think we can say relation. I think we can say related.
Yeah, I don't know what to say, like I'm like related,
Like I mean, I I don't know. Obviously we're going off what we've
been told. But I mean, what is catching nias? Is that like,
Oh, they're hotter than I realize. Is it? Oh, I
actually think you're a nice person and we could date after this? Is it
just god, I want to just I'm just like lusting our you NonStop because
there's nothing else going on. I mean, I don't know, and then
you have the layer of being caught like that is it's not it doesn't think
they're living in like, you know, a palatial mansion her so like no
shape, but like as in like we're all in normal size places trying to
make contain spaces work with like groups of people. So that's that is a
challenge, you know. And so actually if it's him his mom's stepdad,
and I don't know, if he's one of the two siblings, like,
yeah, I think I've made it a lot weirder they needed to be,
they know, when they don't know each other. Obviously it's not ideal.
I'm not saying we should all go banging our step from his insistence, but
my stepbrother is quite attractive. Actually, oh no, I wouldn't, but
I wouldn't have sex them. I've only met him. Oh you can ever
know him quarantine, Yeah, I know, I don't think. I don't
think he's dead, but as yeah, exactly like you and if you're in
a house together, no, I mean yeah, I just I mean,
like, don't you know, don't be hardened yourself that you've done this,
but like I probably, yeah exactly, I would try, I would try
not to get cool. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, now
that they've goferably the expression but like broken seal, like what I feel like
I was gonna say, cross the line is a as a more delicate phrase,
like now that they've sort of crossed that boundary and there's that sort of
thing that they can have a hook up, like, I don't I don't
know how easy it will be to draw that line back again, because you
are in a contained space, and I don't know, there's only miss so
many nights someone can draw up their pillow. I guess like they're gonna probably
you know, they're going to probably fall into bed together again. I just
maybe it's more like you either don't for the sake of your feelings or you
I think you need to have a conversation with them along the lines of is
a little bit mad we've done this. I'm a bit confused. Maybe it's
just quarantine catching feelings where are you? Because that actually might save some herdache
down the line. Although a conversation of they're in the gaff I don't know,
but like, I think they need to have a chat about it either
way, Yeah, like usual hour long walks just saying no, if you've
found the time to fucking play that, you can find the time to chat
and play it. That's true. Yeah, but I would say go on
a walk in case you don't want anyone over hearing. Um. I mean,
I would say I completely agree with you. Con I think you do
have to have an actual conversation about it. Like the more that it's something
that's just unsaid, you're not talking about it, but you're just fucking that's
not gonna be I think by talking about it might remove some of the feelings
that you might be catching because because it feels like you're not talking about it
and it's secretive and it's too that might be part of the draw to it.
And once you actually talk about what's happened, you kind of shine a
light on it. Actually vocalizing what you're doing. That might make it feel
a more real and you might get a bit more clarity on on what it
actually is. Um or focus on how annoying they are to live, Like
do they too really loudly? Yeah, they're like, oh, they've fired
all the time. I'm sure you can de miss to fire them real fast,
like do they do they used to be king, Oh god, I'm
going to hell. I'm going to hell. And if all else fails,
only fans girls. Yeah, that sounds like John really first to sign up
straight away. You're like, well, John's pointing his old phone to some
new use. Also, I would like to say if if the person from
I think our first ever episode, who Fucked Their Cousin, if you're listening,
I would love to hear about how that resolved itself. Are you married
now? We never know he was already married. The cousin was married,
if you remember guy, Yeah, but maybe he left the cousin to be
with the cousin, you know whatever was he getting married or straight marriage?
Straight marriage and had a kid and with his cousin. Oh my god,
it was that. Now, that was a ride. That was that was
That was our first ever dinama. Imagine you always come back to incests,
isn't that? Yeah? I mean when the ratings drop, you know exactly
the ratings drop. That was our second episode. Bang literally yeah. I
mean in terms of explaining it to your mom, I mean, I don't
think that's going to be a simple conversation like your mom's try and avoid that.
Yeah, don't do it, just don't just that. I'm like,
that is definitely something that even just yeah, that could create a lot of
changing because you just don't have people are going to react and you can't read
go anywhere right now. It's not like, oh, I'm gonna go stay
somewhere else a few days while you cool off about this. That you don't
have that options. So yeah, I would say though, like I know
that it's not like government guidelines or anything, but like if you did get
to a point where it was very uncomfortable and detrimental, do go somewhere else,
Like yeah, I should just say that, like you know, officially,
yeah, yeah, I would agree with that, but like I mean,
I just think, don't beat yourself up too much about it. These
are really unprecedented times you're in really a united situation. Like I'm sorry,
but probably a few I'm sure there's some thirsty days listening if they had a
rogue steps from some of the conversations that I'm seeing happening online. Everyone's exactly,
but there is something around you know, shit where you were, and
that I would say you are absolutely doing in this case. Yeah, I
just love the idea the way you were like you now it is unpressed times
I try and explain experience. You know, it's a crazy time. I
mean, we fox but like, hey, we're just laughing a few months
and this is like I love that, Like, hey, mom, listen,
can I talk to you? Imagine the mom was like we're like girls,
cliche of mom's and Americans like, oh, what's a pandemic? Who
cares? Like whatever? You don't even know him? It's fine, knock
yourself out. Yeah, come on, honey, I am like, I
hope it turns out well. I think for me, Like you've just got
to protect your feelings. Yeah, like this, like, I mean,
I don't want to say that there's not a future, but I think it
would be a I do. I want to say that there's not a future.
Don't don't just don't do it. Love winds Hello friends, love,
laugh, laugh, Imagine that a love is love. Mom, don't mean
homophobic? I love like I'm not homophobic. I'm incestorphobic. Oh god,
oh god. Um well I hope that answered your question. Basically, thank
you for the rivening. Can't you've given us the biggest last ye and okay,
yeah, wow, we're right here, you know what I mean.
So like the gallows humor of it all. Oh true? Um okay,
so please please please, I would love to hear an update on that one.
Can I come back home if the update has been given? John would
like an update. John would like a private update. Very quiet the last
few minutes. What's going on? Yeah, sorry, guys, had to
take a phone call. Um, okay, one last thing before we go,
because you are a DJ and I would love to hear what songs are
getting you through this quarantine period. Okay, well obviously, I mean I
kind of half thought we might even just talk about this anyway. Megan the
Stallion having the remix and Beyonce for Savage was amazing because I mean, I've
been into Megan's music since kind of last year, and I feel like in
the last two years she's like I remember last year, so many people talking
about her like organically, like I'd be on social media and some people will
be just sharing her songs. I was like, I need to get into
this chick. She seems really amazing and obviously Savage because of TikTok has become
a huge hit, and now I just think this Beyonce remix is the perfect
time for the song because it's blowing up, but this will probably push it
even further. They're both from Houston. It's a fundraiser for like COVID nineteen
efforts and kind of fundraising in Houston. So I love that it's actually a
Charlie single that will make real money for like a cause of who you need
to support. And I just love when Beyonce kind of like reaches out to
a newer artist and says like I'm putting you on, I think you're great,
and Megan has been so like like cheered by and like humble and kind
of like like blown away by getting to work Beyonce. That it's really heartwarming.
And it's also just three makes. It's a proper banger, Like it's
a proper reimagining of the song, and like it adds all these elements in.
It's not just like, oh yeah, eight birds and my guest.
It's like she's really like added something to it. So that song definitely the
last few days, and I feel like it's going to be my little may
Bop now to get me through the next few weeks. Oh absolutely. I
mean, if you follow me on the ground, you will have seeing Like
I listened to it for the first time while I was making dinner and now
came back from work and saw me through the window, absolutely like throwing boss,
like losing it candidly. I cadn't go. I was like, oh
my god, clop it's a bop. Yeah, yeah go. Also,
Rina Sayama's album is amazing, Like I know, I feel like a lot
of people are talking about her and if you haven't listened to her, like
oh, shut up gaze. But like it is a great pop album,
like it's like two thousands R and B. But it all feels kind of
futuristic and poor thinking, Like it kind of feels like it's a different album
to Julipa's Future Nostalgia. But I feel like they do the same thing.
They're pulling from that decade and then doing kind of current contemporary pop. So
I think if you like do A's album, I think you might find something
in Arena's. There's also a guy called Sonoku I hope I'm saying his name
hight s n i k Ku. He's worked with like Little Boots and Great
Curson and all these kind of Yeah, so she's call wrote a bunch of
songs that are on his albums. He's worked with Liz, who's this kind
of like alternative pop star. There's a lot of like Britney style stuff.
So his album it's like these kind of like eight these references in video game
soundtracks and this this kind of banging dance pop album. There's a track called
Sweat with Liz, which was one of my favorites the last year. That's
Sophie remixed, and there's some really great electro pop on that album, and
it's really well produced, and I'm kind of like, I feel like in
a few years time he will be producing every big pop single. And he's
like this kind of self made queer DJ from London who's like making these bangers.
So it sounds a bit pretentious on London and DJ and the Grand Yeah,
but it's actually the music is pure pop. It's like you're like,
Kylie could sing all these songs and they will be bops. So Snoku is
definitely worth checking out as well. One points so good and she like I've
listened some of her songs on and off of the years, and I've liked
her music. But I feel like having this album, it's like she's funneled
all into a specific point of view and it's really rewarding and the album flows
and it makes sense. So I think it's going to be a bit of
a breakthrough in terms of her finding more fans and stuff for sure. Also
shout to Lindsay Lohan back to me is a box. I'm just saying,
yes, like this what twenty needs, like a Lindsay comeback. Like it's
I like her voice, Like I'm not saying she's Whitney or Mariah Agree,
you can actually sing it. I think she weirdly her tone of voice in
the era of like du Aleipa and these kind of husky voice pop stars,
it sort of fits in. And the song was written by all Man.
It sounds like to me, it sounds like one of those random dance songs
you'd hear on Love Island that becomes like a top ten chart hit. Like
it's a bit kind of camp and dancing and throw away. Also, there's
a K pop pop circled Chung Ha who's dropped a song called stay Tonight,
and it's like if Brittany and Kylie had a baby and made an electro pop
banger. The video is one of the best things I've seen all year.
So even if you're not into K pop or find that kind of overwhelming because
there are so many acts, I would watch that video. It is jaw
dropping, absolutely Gaggerina at that video I think you shared on on your social
Yeah, I became obsessed. I was like, I've watched this like eight
times in a row. It's just there's a K pop videos. They've got
like choreography and like budget, so they're like, let's throw it all the
wall and you're just like, oh my god, this is stunning. Yeah.
Can I also just give a shout out to the the new Jojo album?
Oh yeah, John, I mean John goes out with a JoJo's done,
so I'm assuming you've heard it. Oh. It has been on loop
since Friday. It's just been constant, NonStop. It's fine some bangers actually
some bangers on there because it's very R and B. And do you know
what, she got a shout out from Mariah Carry And I think it's kind
of similar to what you were just talking about with Megan the Stallion getting a
shout or like get being really like push forward by an icon like Beyonce,
like she's from Houston, Beyonce from Houston. It's a huge it's a huge
deal. And also Beyonce also shared something celebrating Megan the Stallion's mum's birthday.
I think that was today of Dave recording, because her mum died tragically I
think a year ago, just as Meghan was really making it big. Her
mom was also a rapper and was a real like hugely important in Meghan's career
and was a big Beyonce fun So I think Megan kind of spoke about that.
But similarly with Jojo and with Mariah is a big supporter of her.
Who's having a suite in the background, Oh my god, I'm sorry.
I didn't know you could hear me too. Gum sounded Likeward Smart would like
someone's having a drepsul. I was like that drying, persistent comphony. I
like when Mariah shouts out an artist because obviously we joke about I don't know
her in the Mariah shade, but Mariah is very particular about like there's that
amazing Like when she was on What Happens Live a few years ago and Andy
kOhm basically went through a list of pop singers that she knew or didn't know,
and all the ones that she said she liked. It was like,
oh, they're very nice. They came to my show, they said hello.
It's like anyone who kind of kisses the ring with Mariah, she's like,
I see you and I support you, and anyone she thinks is like
shady to her, she gets in there first. So like the fact that
she see I think was Jojo has gone through a lot of bullsh would like
record labels, and she started out very young, and she's weather at a
storm and she released her music herself like and she's such an amazing singer and
she's such a loyal audience. I think Mariah probably was like, Okay,
I'm gonna put you on and we can sing together, and here you go.
Absolutely, I think she recognizes the talent. But of course with you
know, with Tommy, Mariah's no stranger to kind of legal shows. Right,
She's been through the ringer with the music industry, so I think she
knows when someone else has so I just live and she's like, she's very
nice. She's been to my show, she came on my shows. It's
like, Okay, Maria I see the pattern here. Well, the Jailo
beef is because of Tommy, Like, that's because Tommy Mottola was working with
Jaylo and trying to fuck Maria over. So like, as funny as that
meme is, there's a reason why she kind of shaded Jlo. Wasn't just
like, oh, she's being a bitch or whatever. For sure, No,
I know, and I agree, but she's like, it's just nice
to see. Oh, it's kind of when they all wrapped by these huge
powerhouses within the industry. Um and speaking about coming to our show. Thank
you for coming on our show here having me this is so fun. I
need to come back for the step brother update though. Yeah, absolute,
You've been such a joy to have on. Thank you so so much.
How can the girls support you? Come on? This is COVID season,
like swipe up from my only fans. How we didn't both borting me me
like asleep and watching reality TV be like are you god? I'm like,
no, this is all I do and just follow me on social media at
Platinum Jones on Instagram and Twitter. To be honest, I think I need
to change my handle and make it more like my name so I can actually
build like a fucking following. But anyway, at Platinum Jones on Twitter and
Instagram, I'm going to try. I'm trying to think of podcasting bits and
get back into that realm, but like, who knows what with the pandemic
and all, and I'm on my own, so I don't have the step
sibling too. I mean, it's what you do so so fabulously. It's
lovely to like literally just be listening to your chat. So yeah, get
into this gig, girl, get up on the gig, honey. Absolutely,
I'm going to do another shout out for you, John on the Accidental
Chef, Thank you. Would be lovely to see someone y'all do some recipes,
because actually I saw someone do the cats, and I'll be sure.
I was like, go on, it looked really good. It did look
nice. It did. What kind of food is it? Is? It
like like a bit of everything is a certain kind of cuisine. It's a
bit of everything. I just I'm trying to eat less meat, so I'm
trying to be creative with recipes and stuff. And then if I I'm writing
a recipe and I'm sharing it, then I'll probably be more adventurous. So
yeah, but there is meat on there too. It's just what I like,
what I like to cook and eat is what it is. Um,
And that's a guy. Anything for you to flog, I'm not. I'm
not flogging anything. I do think though, I mean, we've we talked
about this all the time, but like the something that's been pointed out this
week is that if if we're all going to have got home tested at this
point, while we can't go out and while most of us aren't hooking up,
like if we all went to like fifty sixteen Street on Twitter and just
ordered a home kit, like we could literally come out of this knowing our
status and knowing how to move fold with that. And that would be such
an amazing kind of turning point for so many people. If if every day
in this country just found out what they had and what they didn't have,
and maybe that's something worth doing. People, if you're listening, if you
fancy it, I just think that's worth saying. I think that's a great
idea. Thank you all right, Well, thanks so much for listening everybody.
This has been an absolute joy. You can follow us on The Latch
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want anything on that, and that's now, but yeah, tune in next
week where we'll have some more exciting things for you. Um and yes,
stay safe and the bust yourselves. Okay, bye bye bye bye