1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,480 Hell, Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Plan of the 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,400 Apes retrospective. I remember that when the first time he said, oh, 3 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:14,800 I was no, I'm wrong, do this is wrong? Sound fact the 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,760 Planet Apes and it's Taylor running go back Plum Apes. Let's just talk about 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,920 Plantings wanting a great movie. But here we are for the third retrospective of 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,199 the Plan the Apes. Of course, we are getting ready for the fucking 7 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:35,880 mouthful title the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. They got, these 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,479 franchisees had it right, escape from Plan the Apes. They always had like 9 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:43,200 the first two words, the first few words made sense. But now we're 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,359 in the dawn of the Kingdom of like this. We gotta get rid of 11 00:00:46,359 --> 00:00:49,399 this of it's too much bluir load early right, like they use all the 12 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:53,320 the ideal titles in the early days and then now they have to add on 13 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:58,079 to it and just mouthful. Do you think we live in both worlds, 14 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,640 right? Or we let's say we do live in both worlds where they're playing 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,519 Kingdom of the Plan of the Apes, or if it's Plan the Apes Kingdom. 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,400 Do you think one does any better or worse than the box office? 17 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:11,239 Because I sure don't, and I just think you just call the Plan the 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,719 Apes Kingdom. That's done. It's funny. Kingdom of the Planet of the 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,120 Apes. No, probably have to have apes in the title. Actually, 20 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:19,079 I was with you and then Taylor just switched. I still had apes in 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,920 the title though. In my title, Kirk, what was it again? 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Kingdom Plan the Apes Kingdom done? Planet of the Apes Kingdom. People think, 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,400 oh, is this some national geographic show or something like that that could 24 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:34,879 be Planet Plant the Ape still has that kingdom. Yeah, okay, I 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,599 guess you won me over again. It's just a mouthful Kingdom of the Planet 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,840 of the Ape. I just don't like long titles, you know, Yeah, 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,159 the Emancipation of One Great Harley. Oh yeah, Like as a podcaster, 28 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:49,719 like the Fourth Wall or yeah, break the third Wall is fourth Yeah, 29 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:52,959 it fucks with the SEO. Yeah, it fucks with the SEO big 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,680 time. It's tough for those podcasts always sometimes do well because like, what 31 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:59,359 are people searching? They just searching Planet the Apes or searching Kingdom. They 32 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,599 searched Plan the Apes eight I don't know, but anyways, whatever, I'm 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:08,840 joined by I am the painter painting the painting of the Patriot pats. I'm 34 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:13,159 these sad scroll tating field. I didn't even do myself. I'm the damn 35 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,120 dirty human interest now. And yes we're here because Kingdom of the Plan Apes 36 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:20,319 is coming out in May. When you listening to Patreon, you'll probably get 37 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:23,680 these a little more earlier now because they they moved up three weeks. So 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,199 our schedule recording these pissed. I was. I had a perfectly planned but 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,759 like this week, I know Clay, he's been right away watching and listening 40 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:34,840 Patreon. Clay, you're getting this, and then you're getting like conquests like 41 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,199 a couple, like a day or two after. So Patriots, you're getting 42 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,159 these apes things nice offense. That's why if you're listening first time, Oh 43 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:44,080 I love apes. I would love to get all these right now. AD 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,439 free hit over the Patreon. Dude, that's a two dollars. That's the 45 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,000 Phase two tier. Another two dollars too where that doesn't exist for us. 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,280 You get that ad free early exclusive or dooing Plan apes right now. We're 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,199 also doing Mad Max and then we'll be doing Alien. 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So if you want more content, 63 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,639 when I get the like the surveys, go why did you guys review kills? 64 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:53,800 The flower Moon. That's a big thing. We need more content and 65 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,599 more subscribers to produce more shows, so we could appreciate you doing that. 66 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:59,639 And you get a lot of bevy of You get a bevy of a lot 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,800 of good things, a lot of bevyes. Give me a bevy, mister 68 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,960 Patser, What did you think? So we're here in the third one for 69 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:13,000 people. If you don't know, this is uh Zira and Cornelius and fucking 70 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:16,199 Islo, doctor Zilo, doctor Zilo. His name is Milo. That's why 71 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:18,680 they named the baby Milo. Why did you think they named the baby Milo? 72 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,879 If you thought his name was Zilo, that it was just a cute 73 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,759 name. I honestly didn't. I totally forgot about like that quick. There's 74 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,279 a reason a tribune note to come in. So he was an actor, 75 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,079 very sad story. He a few years later got murdered and he was only 76 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,560 thirty six, so really set. And I don't think it was anything like 77 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:44,199 mischievous, just like a wrong place, wrong time, So like I shouldn't 78 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:48,800 even like this guy wearing a gorilla. I hated that movie. No, 79 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,879 like if he took this movie because he like Roy McDowell, because after rhym 80 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Ydell did plan the apes for Cornelis. His career took a big spike up, 81 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,519 like everyone's like, oh, who's playing Cornelius? He won the same 82 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:03,879 thing happened, But I guess when he got the role he hate the fucking 83 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,639 makeup, so they took the script and short in his character down. That's 84 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,759 why he just got killed off so quickly because he took the makeup. He's 85 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:13,000 like, I fucking hate this, Get me out of this, and like, 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,639 hey, we're doing in the previous one, Like you didn't have the 87 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:17,279 makeup, not this actor. I don't think. Maybe Milo was, but 88 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:21,120 wasn't played by this actor, so which is so odd to think, Like 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,720 I guess it can happen, but just so odd to think that you playing 90 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,240 a monkey makeup character can make you like Kevin, did he not read the 91 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,319 script? Like did he not know he was gonna be in costume? A 92 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:31,319 little? But he did, but he didn't until he didn't have the caution 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,079 on right, It's a different thing when you read it and then you he's 94 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:36,360 probably there's been two movies, so he's probably like, oh, it's not 95 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:40,120 that bad, and when again there I would love for a day to be 96 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,199 putting that just to see what it felt like. Oh fuck, one day 97 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,480 we do the puppet cast. Patreons, get us enough money so we can 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,439 pay a makeup person. We will all be in full classic plan the Apes 99 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,680 guard and do a full newscast. That would be fucking awesome. We'd just 100 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,240 be fucking sweat and bulls. But I would love to see. But yeah, 101 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,120 so fortune for that actor. Yeah he didn't have a long life. 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,600 But yeah he was out of this because it's just to make up was too 103 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,839 much for me. He just said, I want out in I guess it's 104 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:09,680 like a Hugo Weaven thing, right. He didn't want to be in the 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,839 Red Skull. Yeah, he fucking hated that Red Skull thing. I always 106 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:16,519 loved if he heard about infinnywhere endgame, like just that they're cgi dots now 107 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,839 because I said after because after any game, he was all like, oh, 108 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,839 I'd love to come back, I'd love to do it again. And 109 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:26,040 they're like, yeah, fuck you, buddy. He left us. But 110 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,519 you know, not like we got any more Red Skull. But we're here 111 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,560 to talk about plan the Apes. So this is one where they all escape 112 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,600 somehow will get to the escape plan the apes, but did they really escape 113 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:40,040 Hudles. We'll talk about it, Kirkham Pats or did you have you I 114 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:42,480 think we've talked about before, but it's tough. The retros are further apart, 115 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,160 But like, did you have any knowledge this? Have you seen this 116 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,360 one before? So any past stuff and then your your current day thoughts. 117 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,600 I think I have seen this before, just because like on that first retro 118 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,680 that we did, I was gonna talk about my history with it, and 119 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,439 like I had that VHS collection pack that I'm assuming because this is so close 120 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:02,959 to that original it was in that pack, and I feel like I think 121 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:09,439 the four the for sure four were maybe five. They were pretty close together. 122 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,079 So yeah, so I'm sure I've seen it. But like I feel 123 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,399 like there's scenes in here that I just assumed were like spliced into different parts 124 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:20,079 of the movies or something like that. So it was a very fresh viewing. 125 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,920 There was just a lot of scenes that I didn't really know how it 126 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,160 was gonna go, and I didn't know how the movie was gonna end. 127 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:30,839 I spoiler, I was gonna say spoiler alert. I thought they were going 128 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,959 to escape this planet and just go somewhere else because of because of the title, 129 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:40,000 but uh, you know, that didn't really happen. But overall for 130 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,759 the whole movie, you haven't seen it. So I found it interesting. 131 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:46,959 Definitely a step up from the previous movie. I just really didn't like Beneath. 132 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,399 Uh, just a lot of stuff in that movie was not great. 133 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:55,000 Here, it's it's almost like a parallel to like what the first one is, 134 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:59,560 where you have obviously Taylor and crew laning on the planet of the Apes, 135 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,600 for you have these ape folk landing on Earth. I was very confused 136 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,040 at the beginning on just what the fuck was going on, because I'm like, 137 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,040 this is like, this doesn't make sense, like they must have gone 138 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:11,839 back in time. And then like two minutes later they explain exactly what happens, 139 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:15,160 like somehow we just went back to Earth at this era. Kids, 140 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,120 this is happening. Just watch the movie. Oh just tell me, Dad, 141 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,600 just watch the movie. So like, yeah, I feel like right 142 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,439 away, I'm like, this sucks. I'm not gonna like this that They're 143 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,600 just they're totally wreck Connie what happened before, And then they explain it really 144 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,519 really quickly, and they don't really go to the science about how it works, 145 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,960 which I guess is okay, you don't really have to fully explain what 146 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:39,919 part of me happens. But yeah, I definitely step up from the previous 147 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:45,919 film. It was kind of fun to just see how I guess the human 148 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,960 society were treating the apes versus how we saw the apes society treat the humans. 149 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,720 Some of like the parallel dialogue of just comparing, especially when they when 150 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,679 the human commissioners or whatever are seeing the apes and like thinking of them is 151 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,120 so bad, barrack, because they're treating, you know, humans the way 152 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,519 that shouldn't be treat like humans shouldn't be treating each other. And then like 153 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,360 you even have I forget the doctor's name, but basically just making like the 154 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,000 same argument. It's like, well, that's what we do with with with 155 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,399 animals here, And we were kind of having those dialogues in the first retro 156 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,080 with the first movie, so it was kind of interesting to hear their take 157 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,440 on balancing that. And I think there was actually some decisions made by like 158 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,080 maybe the government of the humans and just the commissioners, and it seemed fairly 159 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,279 reasonable. Some of the reactions, like there is the extreme type characters or 160 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,600 like we gotta murder these like they're gonna take over all of human society, 161 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,000 and that kind of got a little bit drying for me. But for the 162 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,240 most part, I actually found it interesting the way that the Commission and even 163 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:48,519 the President of the United States, Like I feel like it's just such a 164 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,559 maybe a stereotype, but like I'm so expecting the President to be like, 165 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,639 we gotta murder these apes and like, you know, pro America and we 166 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,720 just gotta like pro humans, like we gotta just take these guys out. 167 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,720 But the President in this movie, he seemed like such a reasonable individual, 168 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,440 Like he seemed like he was very defensive of the ape folk and just overall, 169 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,879 like it seemed like he needed a lot of evidence for the part of 170 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:13,159 me, the extreme doctor, to want to just murder them. So how 171 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,159 those situations too, Like Starry in eject he says like this is a society, 172 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,039 like a government that might not even exist in like the year three thousand, 173 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,480 Like yeah, yeah, And like I feel like I appreciated that because 174 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,519 it's just different than what I was expecting, Like I was just so expecting, 175 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,360 especially when did this come out, like late seventy oh yeah, early 176 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,799 seventies, nineteen seventy one there you go. So like I just feel like 177 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,000 around like the Space Race era, like I just expect, like the the 178 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,039 American government type figures in movies to just be like we are number one, 179 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,759 like we gotta it's about us or no one. So that kind of surprised 180 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:54,039 me. There's still some things that happened like later on that I was just 181 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,639 kind of irolly on and mostly with like our main I guess antagonists of the 182 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,919 film. But overall, I think this is a nice, a nice step 183 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,840 up from that previous movie. And yeah, I mean it's kind of spoiled 184 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:09,360 already, but like tragic end these characters that we've had since since they get 185 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,600 the Get Go. They kind of went out anti climactic a little bit, 186 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:16,879 But yeah, I'm excited to dive in with you guys and for some one 187 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:20,519 just random poor baby Ape who had really nothing to do with anything, but 188 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,679 that was so sad. I I was waiting for like the the coin flip 189 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:28,879 like reveal of like they swapped the baby at the zoo, so like, 190 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:31,480 well, I guess that did happen, never mind, but like like it's 191 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:37,200 like a big reveal for you. I thought they had like a like a 192 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,679 like a or something. Yeah, exactly. I thought there's gonna be some 193 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:45,240 sort of clever reaction, very sad for that mother ape and the yeah su 194 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,320 just got her baby swapped out there. Yes, And that's where it's like, 195 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,720 I guess I can go where. I think that is the the strength 196 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:56,960 of this because it is the first film flipped and that's the unfortunately where you'll 197 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,639 never be as interesting as that because it's like you're on a at that point, 198 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:01,799 like we think is a different planet. Right, So, like we've 199 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,240 talk about the whole the build up of Taylor walking around, you know, 200 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,679 all the scarecrows, what the fuck they call it againon Kirkland what's a long 201 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,639 name? The effigies, you know, in the in the wilderness, you 202 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,720 know all that stuff. So like there's this big build up and it's monkey's 203 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,720 talking right where this is not as exciting because it's Earth. We don't Earth 204 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:24,399 looks like it's humans talking like we like, it's all it's them coming up, 205 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,039 So that aspects not as much. There's somewhird stuff with like the score 206 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,200 is fucking weird in this movie, like the funky like like I get, 207 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,440 I get what they're trying to do, but it was not good. It 208 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,240 was like, oh, you're on Earth and this is the era. But 209 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,320 it's like we talk about in the first plane, is the score is so 210 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,919 good. This is just like just sometimes they they're playing like the funky music 211 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 when dramatic stuff is going on, it's like, get that out of here. 212 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:46,879 So it's not a perfect film. It's not the height set, but 213 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,240 like I have a soft spot for this one and the fourth one. I 214 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,879 think they're actually quite good. And I think because it's stuff where like zero 215 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:56,200 and cornelis, Yes, we love them, and they were with tear and 216 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:03,039 stuff like that, but they also, like you're they bring up like security 217 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,320 concerns, you know, like they've done the same things that we've done. 218 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:11,240 They it's not good that they get caught longing multiple times, which is like 219 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,480 it's tough because we know why they're lying. But at the same time, 220 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:18,440 it's like if you, if you, if we were in our world right 221 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,200 now, think about what happened a fucking spaceship land and then three monkeys came 222 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,039 out could talk, and then one of the things they were lying about is 223 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:28,679 how monkeys took over the world. You'd be like, like, there's things 224 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,039 where you understand even some of the extremes of even talking about killing them or 225 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,000 making it killing the child, making sure she couldn't have children. It's like 226 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,039 you kind of understand how even our society would definitely jump to that, you 227 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:41,600 know, and even for me, it's like how you might have to question, 228 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:43,039 like this might be the right thing to do, because there are some 229 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,240 extremes. But it is tough. When the monkeys lay out, hey, 230 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,559 we come from the future, in the future, your people go to, 231 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,039 should we take over? You know? The origins a little different. It's 232 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,559 a little uh because in the first Apes has just explained that the apes have 233 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,759 always been in power, and lots of people don't know. But it seems 234 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,679 like and Cornelis know everything about these apes, like being slaves, and so 235 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,000 there's a little bit of a mixed muddle things there, maybe some experience or 236 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:11,600 some scientific studies they found more stuff. But that's what I like, just 237 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:15,840 even little stuff where they're talking to the un and the cen and whatever, 238 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:18,600 and she goes, oh, when we dissect and then we looked at into 239 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,279 humans and they play that back. But that's where it's just like there is 240 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,519 layers to it because Cornelius at one point gets so mad about all the stuff 241 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,240 they do and and Zero just says, it's not anything different than what we've 242 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,840 done before, and like they're right, like they were the nice rapes they 243 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,080 were trying to but they were part of all that stuff of like helping humans 244 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,759 be held down and they were experience. So that's where it's like, it 245 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,679 is a flip that you don't want them to die like Taylor, because like 246 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,960 there's there's shades of great character and we're rooting for them, but it's like, 247 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,120 uh, it's tough because like they're not like completely innocent apes, you 248 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,000 know, but they were trying to be better because they saw the air of 249 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 their ways. So that's why we're cheering for these characters. So it is 250 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:00,679 sad that like they have this plan they're gonna get to this and just be 251 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,039 undercover for the rest of our lives, and they're so close or like two 252 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,559 days away from achieving this. I don't know why Corneos is fucking around walking 253 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,120 on the boat like he is, Like he's just he's not high and at 254 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,919 all, the poor guy, and we'll get there. But uh so I 255 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,080 do really love the flip, and I think like I think it's fortunate or 256 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,480 unfortunately. I don't like fortunately for the film, but unfortunate for us, 257 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,720 Like I don't think these dynamics have changed at all with some of the heights 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,759 people would jump to. So I think, of anything, it's more optimistic 259 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,919 because the way where for at least a couple of weeks the apes are accepted 260 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,320 and like they're the hot shit. Yeah, I don't even know if that 261 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,240 would happen nowadays. I think it would go jump right to we're just gonna 262 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,879 fucking execute these things, you know, or just trapped in a lab somewhere 263 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,120 like the public. Yeah, yeah, exactly so. And I have some 264 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,720 questions too about the time travel stuff, but that doesn't get into like I'm 265 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,120 not gonna say all this is wrong. It's just a chicken and an egg 266 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:54,240 scenario because it's just funny where it's kind of positioned where this is supposed to 267 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:56,200 be technically like a prequel plan mapes. But I'm always like, so, 268 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,759 what Taylor comes from a world where they knew it's it's a weird. It's 269 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:07,279 a weird chain of events because they already sent Taylor. But technically Caesar gets 270 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,720 born in this like this error and takes over. So it's a weird, 271 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,360 like I said, thing, But no, I really enjoyed this film. 272 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,480 There's a lot of good ideology things they bring up and out in half not 273 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:19,039 too long of a run time. I think they don't oversay they're welcome, 274 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,840 And yeah, I quite enjoy it. I never feel like I get excited 275 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,159 to watch this one. And because I like, we only got them aside 276 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,240 characters. I like Zero and Cornela, so it's nice having them as like 277 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,480 a lead, you know, I think that helps. If I didn't it 278 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,200 was just two other monkeys make maybe, but taking the I say, other 279 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,320 than what's his name? Charlton Heston, like the most likable characters was a 280 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,080 smart thing, like good thing, like doctor, like Zius or whatever. 281 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Wasn't with him too, you know, like that would be like fuck, 282 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:49,200 Like I know he died last week, but if they would have like, 283 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,919 oh we need like even Milo, Like I know him getting killed off was 284 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,039 a different reason, but it's like I didn't miss him, like I was 285 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,399 fine with the dynamic of Zero and Cornelis, so overall I quite liked the 286 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:06,079 movie. So yeah, I like this one a lot. This is one 287 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:10,559 that I usually always think about when we talk about planning the a's with whoever 288 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,680 I talked to, this is the go to spell for Taylor's rankings when we 289 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,960 do the rankings episode Escape number one. I just really enjoyed the concept of 290 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:22,359 them salvaging Taylor's ship and then taking parts. I think this is they took 291 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,200 parts from the other guy's ship and they never mentioned him in this movie. 292 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,599 Hey, they talked about Taylor. The US doesn't give a like, remember 293 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,279 when Taylor didn't remember him? That's the US government. They never once mentioned 294 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:37,599 they say two astron or two ships, but they never mentioned that guy where 295 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,000 Taylor's like fucking top ship, Like did you know they didn't even talk about 296 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,319 the other people that were with Taylor mentioned there were only two that talked like 297 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,640 Zerra does mention that No, but I'm the US government. I mean when 298 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,240 they're always like, oh, Taylor, I left a few years, like 299 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,319 it was two years ago. But they never like the woman that was with 300 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,279 them the other people, like yeah, he must have been like you're saying, 301 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,559 like I was gonna say top ship. He was like the rock, 302 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Like he was like this great actor someone that like everyone just unanimously loved. 303 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,799 And then he just like gets sent on a spaceship somewhere, and just like 304 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:11,160 Earth's hero is Taylor, we want all the children to look like him. 305 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,119 So we're gonna send him to repopulate. We want to have that laugh, 306 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,319 those teeth, the height his his, how big he is. We want 307 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,279 pay in society. Yeah, we want everyone to be like Taylor and so 308 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:27,839 but yeah, this this film, I think you guys have said a lot 309 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:30,720 of things spot on, and I liked how it kind of parallels the first 310 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:37,039 film in that regard of being same perspectives or sorry, same narrative to a 311 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,680 degree, but different perspective. Yeah, from the apes being immersed in here, 312 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:42,559 like oh my god, they're all talking, I would have I would 313 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:48,119 have really loved this film if they didn't kill doctor Milo off right away. 314 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,160 I would have really appreciated to have his his perspective because the moment when we 315 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,160 get them alone and he's talking, like, hey, yeah, we need 316 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,839 to stay silent. We need to know who our enemies and our friends are. 317 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:59,920 We need to just like approach this different. I really like that. 318 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,880 I liked it a lot. And when I love Cornelius and Zero, I 319 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,640 think they're fantastic characters. And seeing them leave this film was great. I 320 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,680 definitely can understand why Zero was a problem because she was she was saying things 321 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,680 she shouldn't have. She was really temperamental. But again it fits with that 322 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:18,480 character after everything they've been through, I'd have to deal with like the gorilla 323 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:21,400 war and the humans and all this crazy shit with the orangutangs, So it 324 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,000 makes sense. But that's definitely Zero was the cause of their downfall. Yeah, 325 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:27,759 that's that's where they'll get more into, but that that is one kind 326 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:33,319 of habit that just because like they saw exactly what happened to Taylor. It's 327 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,799 just hard for me to believe that Zerra still, Like you're right that they 328 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,319 set up she has like a bit of a temper at times, but it's 329 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,160 like like what happened with Taylor on a different planet, like just for her, 330 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,680 so not like I thought. They set it up in a perfect way 331 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,440 for them to talk, and they just had to have her say the line 332 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,279 about bananas, which was odd. Like I thought, what they should have 333 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,759 done is when Milo got attacked, them accidentally speak in that moment because they're 334 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:59,920 not even thinking about it, and that's a That's the reason I just was 335 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,599 hard for me to buy where they've saw what happen and she's still gonna say 336 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,759 something like you know, this could be the end for you, And it 337 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:08,000 was the end for you. It was like if they don't talk, who 338 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:11,039 knows gonna happen. But so that was one calling me. I just thought 339 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,640 Zero was smart enough not to say that's just to be I don't like bananas, 340 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,160 Like it was such a bull like you're just fucking everyone over just exclaiming 341 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,119 about bananas. So just play game for like a little bit. But I 342 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,680 mean, on the other hand though, like she also got like a really 343 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,319 positive reception right like in the courtroom and everyone she was like just dropping Zinger 344 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,240 just and everybody was loving her. And then that's when they like they go 345 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:37,200 back and Stevie I think was the female doctor and she was like, oh, 346 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,759 they loved you. Then that's what kind of leads them on doing like 347 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:44,400 their world tour and like going shopping and everything. She's like standing up for 348 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,000 women's rights. You know that at that one meeting they had so like talk 349 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:51,079 a little too much. Then yeah, you know, no, yeah, 350 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,480 that was Buddy just entrapping her. Essentially a smart play on by him, 351 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,119 though, you know, he was smooth. He was like fucking James Bond 352 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,960 with that cigarette or order or that. Like I'm not saying he's a good 353 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960 guy, but I'm just saying, like he's that's a fucking secret agent right 354 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,640 there. He's not a doctor that sme on to just like seventy one, 355 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,119 and like I would imagine they didn't know about like how bad it was to 356 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:18,039 be like drinking with a baby or anything. They're just like intoxicating her multiple 357 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:22,559 times even though she's pregnant. Oh yeah, I don't know. We're kind 358 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,799 of starting or going, but I'll just kind of like add something to that. 359 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:29,039 The the idea of that guy. And I guess what you already spoke 360 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,640 to Travis, just civisation. If these apes came down, which I loved 361 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,079 how they were introduced in the military is like what the fuck, Like this 362 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,279 is crazy. But and the first the thing they're humans too. I love 363 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:38,720 that, like they're just a build up. They have the helmets on like 364 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:42,640 that. Yeah, that's that's so very fun build up to that moment. 365 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:51,000 I think that people in today's age responding to this negatively is very very very 366 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,599 very likely. I also think too that he used to be the massive Cryptic 367 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,240 Clues episodes with this count as a cryptid episode with monkeys from out of space. 368 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:02,599 But what is a crypto? What's the different sh cryptid? Oh well, 369 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,359 it's just like a creature that has lack their scientific proof of existing mostly, 370 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,400 But then that was some monkeys from space with aliens. Aliens for sure 371 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,680 were mixing in there. So monkeys from space like monkey alien peak peak monky 372 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,720 aliens, but donkey from aliens saying that from our future, that's a good 373 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:26,039 episode. Yeah, yeahs in the middle of our twenty year battle with Russia. 374 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,319 Yeah. Fuck. So I think that it's hard to know, like 375 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,359 it would be executing the apesped the solution or letting them say alive be the 376 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,759 solution. Like, no matter what, I think, whatever would happen, 377 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,880 humanity would screw themselves. In this case, they did. They concered their 378 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:47,000 downfall. But the guy's dedication to trying to get humanity to turn against Zerra 379 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:49,960 and Cornelius was just crazy because I think that there was a lot of as 380 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,319 negative as it was the things that Zero was saying, there was some light 381 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,000 in there where they they reveal how the gorillas were and the rangutangs were and 382 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,960 how Yeah, they themselves are pacifist, and that holds up in their court 383 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,279 case, that allows them to be kept, you know, in a reasonable 384 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:11,119 place of protection, i'd say, But they go further with that because in 385 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,400 the recordings they say like, yeah, we helped Taylor, we loved them, 386 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,799 we protected them like they were right away. Though remember they that's that's 387 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:19,319 their problem too. They got they got caught lying twice. They lie about 388 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,200 Taylor because they asked what, I never met him? And they talked about 389 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,400 like that, you know, because Zerra admits that in court that she knew 390 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,720 him. I'm pretty sure didn't she was not earliest. That says no, 391 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,240 and Cornelias says no. One right after Zerra says encounters that with yes, 392 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,880 Well, okay, either way, when they if they didn't know him or 393 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,400 didn't know him, they don't talk about the whole situation about the kid, 394 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:42,799 like, they don't talk about all that. And then they also don't get 395 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,440 when they say where are you from? They lie about that. So again 396 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,960 that's where the point of view of the humans, I would understand. They 397 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,160 eventually tell you that the apes take over, and now you've had these people 398 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,359 lie to you twice. I would see there be some worry of like, 399 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,599 fuck, what if they are just gonna like slowly like we've caught them in 400 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:02,720 two Live. It's like I would see the talking if they were And that's 401 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:04,680 what I like the movie because if they were just completely good, then it's 402 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,599 like, Okay, why would you kill them? You know, like because 403 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,039 even the I forgot about the main scientists. But when he's talking to the 404 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,920 president and he's like, if you do this, you could change the future? 405 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:15,319 Is that a power we should have? And I like that He's like, 406 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,440 I don't know. He wasn't a villain where he's like absolutely where humans 407 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,839 were the we should change. He even him like he'd is he wanted to 408 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,799 kill the apes, but he also didn't know if that was the right thing 409 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,240 to do, but just thought with his equation, this is what we should 410 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:30,839 do is take him out. But he said, I don't even know if 411 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,680 we should be fucking with like time and stuff like that. So that's why 412 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,799 I like all the issues are great because yeah, they probably they didn't have 413 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,839 to lie about Taylor. I think the world ending stuff they're lying with Tam. 414 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,279 They could have just been like, like how do they get the fucking 415 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:45,240 ship, like, yeah, we met him, we were friends with him. 416 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:48,839 Like they thought they'd be like, oh, yeah, ta, we 417 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,240 hate that guy. Yeah he kissed you. No, no, they'd be 418 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:55,279 like, he kissed you. Actually, yeah he would fuck her, wouldn't 419 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,039 he. They should have told him that they wouldn't know. Oh yeah that 420 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,079 is Taylor. Yeah. I feel like that one wasn't didn't bother me though, 421 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,720 because like it didn't seem like they had time to prep for like all 422 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,079 the questions that could be answered, and because I think they get asked that 423 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,839 and then I think it's cornelius like looks at zero and then they kind of 424 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:15,680 are like uh they they hesitate. That's like, no, we didn't, 425 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,160 we didn't know it. So yeah, I'm not saying that's bad. I'm 426 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,079 saying that for me, it's not story wise. It just means, like 427 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:25,599 I'm saying, from the human perspective of because clearly the fucking world over their 428 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,079 loves Taylor for some reason. He's the top shit. So I'm just so 429 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,759 yeah, I think for me, I'm happy with it. In the story. 430 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,599 I like that they lie, but as a human I'd be like, 431 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,200 you know, they and then they didn't even mention that they're like the bottomized 432 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,119 the other astronaut, Like it's there'd be some concern there, That's what I'm 433 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,079 saying. If like they that's twice now two big things. You've lied. 434 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,519 You lied about the leading astronaut and now you've lied about where you're from. 435 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:49,400 Like what else do they fucking line about? You know? Yeah, I 436 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,599 guess I understand like the skepticism from the humans, especially just when they when 437 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,359 they get led down the lines of like the humans are just basically the apes 438 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,759 of the future yea, and the apes are running the show. So uh, 439 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,599 you know, from like a humanist or whatever the fuck you would call 440 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,640 that, like a pro human person, you're like, Wow, what where 441 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,720 did they screw up to where we weren't around anymore? We were the ones 442 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:17,119 in cages. I can understand the concern there. I guess there's especially like 443 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,440 the dissect line. I just couldn't help but laugh in that moment because like 444 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,839 they have them down and he's like replay that last the last two seconds, 445 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,559 like it's like dissect, dissect, dissect, dissect. It's like finish the 446 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,240 word Ape for finish the word. It's like, we know what the fucking 447 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,079 word is you idiot? It's dissection, like clearly, and like I get 448 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,400 it. Maybe they're they're trying to like the strong arm like lawyer thing, 449 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:38,680 like trying to get them to say it in their own words, But it 450 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:42,759 was just such a funny moment because they're just like repeating, and the fucking 451 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,000 Ceeia guy just over zero, like finish the word, ape, finish the 452 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,000 word. It's like I think, I think, what good one liner from 453 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,079 her there, But that that was just such a humorous moment for me, 454 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,119 and even just that whole I guess argument of like trying to put them in 455 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,279 this like evil category of you were dissecting humans, but like they've already fucking 456 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,920 established that the humans were basically just dummies. Their their apes, they were 457 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,599 all type characters prove Yeah, but like fool me, shame on you, 458 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,880 fool me twice, shame on me. Right, that's the thing, because 459 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,759 they're good, they're gonna call these lies. That's but like and then from 460 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:27,039 the scient like the humans are so hypocritical in the moment because like they're probably 461 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,519 the bottomizing apes in those moments, or like just you know, like all 462 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:36,240 the terrible animals, animals in captivity, like just tests on animals, Like 463 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,880 that's the exact same thing. So like for me, it was just if 464 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,240 they had explained that the humans were in that stage and that's they were just 465 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,359 going about science in that aspect of like studying them, Like that's no different 466 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,920 than what was going on there. So I think for me it was just 467 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,880 a little bit frustrating of oh my god, this is so barbaric that you 468 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,880 would treat them in that way. It's like, dude, you've probably the 469 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,759 exact same thing going on, but don't you think like that. That's I 470 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,799 feel like that's still us today, you know, like we talked about, 471 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,839 that's where it's like, fortunately the movie is still like current and that's where 472 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,000 it's like to me that that's where it all fits for me, because like 473 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:14,799 all these movies that they do makes sense, like all they would do, 474 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,039 they would still do the same ship today, you know. That's what makes 475 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,359 it live on, Like it's like it's like a timeless concept and and just 476 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,519 that whole ideal, But it's more so just the the camp that the humans 477 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:29,599 were in. It's like I cannot believe help barbaric you'd be to splice and 478 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,799 like study humans, like, oh my god, that's so disgusting, Like 479 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,680 we do that about humans. You know, we just watched Poor Things last 480 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:44,640 night. There's people like doing it. I don't think anyone's doing that yet. 481 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,079 I don't think. I don't think Belle's condition that's happened yet. But 482 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,799 you never know. Science is a crazy thing to find new ways after a 483 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:59,480 war with Russia. Yeah, so I think the other thing you have to 484 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,079 take into too, is and because it's it's going retroactively backwards, well, 485 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:08,880 all animals have that level of intelligence to their degree. I think human beings 486 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,440 have that law of like sentience. I think it is the word I'm trying 487 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,720 to think of where and I think, yeah, exactly. And I think 488 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,839 when you hit that, when you hit that, then you be you enter 489 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,680 into a whole new level of like human law and classification as to what your 490 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,319 rights are and everything. And so I think that's where Okay, that's where 491 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,039 Zero and Cornelius have entered into this this regard. But then you also have 492 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:36,599 to think, and this sounds very negative because I don't believe when human experimentation 493 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,440 and like torturing of animals of any kind, I just think it's horrible. 494 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,599 But then in this state and then this film, you have humans that are 495 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,319 doing it to the animals because these animals haven't for them, haven't hit that 496 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:49,799 sentience kind of like tear yet. And so when you have retroactively apes coming 497 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:56,039 back, and it kerfuddles things because humans have achieved that sentience. But now 498 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,960 this is humanity's extinction that they're dealing with, and they're being expresmented on like 499 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:06,920 humans of today experiments on apes. Race is going to shit and these monkeys 500 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,519 are that's just what the race is going to be extinct. But then humans 501 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,000 have already achieved this level of sentience, but they're being bottomized and experimented on 502 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,359 as in the same way humans experiments on apes today. But apes have hit 503 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:21,119 that degree of sentience that humans classify have classify them at. So there's the 504 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,279 true separator, I guess, because the humans could be like, hey, 505 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:26,519 the first few weeks here, we're getting you new clothes, you're talking to 506 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,839 everybody we hear you. In your first few weeks, you bottomize one of 507 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,799 our astronauts, right, so like there is an argument they could make, 508 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,759 like you sound more savage than us, So right away the humans would be 509 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,279 on the back foot of like what the fuck and that's different because like they 510 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,599 I guess it. Really it does make it show that the apes government at 511 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,480 that point and then when they get to our human government, our human government 512 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,319 is more understanding than what the apes are at that current say, right, 513 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,079 because that was their idea to kill humans, bottomize them, like get rid 514 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:57,359 of them. We're are here, they were, let's going to talk and 515 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,079 everything, So that would be another wrinkle of human maybe being like, yeah, 516 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,119 yeah, we gotta kill these apes because they like they've bottomized one of 517 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,799 our people. The second they got like they took where we didn't do that 518 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,440 to them, right, They they would have done anything because the whole world's 519 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,680 love of them until the guy got that info about the war and the extinction 520 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,720 and stuff. So like we technically treated them better, but at the same 521 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,880 time, you know, it didn't just doesn't end well for the humans because 522 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,279 you don't get that reassurance either when they say like oh eight doesn't kill ape 523 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:30,880 and the humans like, well, how does it leave us? Like yeah, 524 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,519 Cornelis thought he like had the fucking full house and he said that, 525 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,400 well, we don't kill each other. It's just like yeah, then there's 526 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,119 only one person left to kill motherfucker. Like, but that's where also, 527 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,519 I think that's where I think in a good way. Them being scientists, 528 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,519 they kind of come off sometimes like they feel smarter than everyone else, and 529 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,799 I think that hurts them at times. And like I said, I'm saying 530 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,440 as a positive for the film, because they just don't have this self aware 531 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,039 to be like, yeah, don't mention the ape, don't kill eight thing, 532 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,480 like that's not that's not the win card here, Like that's not gonna 533 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,839 get you anywhere. They're like cool, and they were trying to say that. 534 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:06,440 It's like, oh we would we could never do what you do with 535 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:08,119 Wars, but it's like, yeah, but you could you do that with 536 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:13,279 the humans and stuff. So yeah, they do scratch a service on it, 537 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,680 but I kind of wish they went into further detail and just kind of 538 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,640 how their society was structured too, because like, although the humans were a 539 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,160 lot more open and receptive to like I guess the apes landing there and we 540 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:30,279 just have these self aware apes that are they come from like a fully fledged 541 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:34,200 society, but they don't ever explain that, like you know, in this 542 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,160 where they land, it's like a democracy, and it's like like there's a 543 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,759 lot more open, yeah, public dialogue apes whereas no, and like it 544 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,599 was almost like a dictatorship, right, Like it was very religious, tied 545 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,079 to their their the way that their government was ran with the orangutangs a very 546 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,400 like classist type society, you know, which I guess humans have had in 547 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:58,119 in their time. But like where we were where the Apes landed, it 548 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,359 is just a lot more open, and especially just when the news articles were 549 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,279 like getting aware of it, like people were just fascinated by it more so 550 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,480 than terrified than like where the Apes were so personally, like I wish they 551 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:13,079 just kind of dove a little bit deeper into comparing that, but you kind 552 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,319 of get a different outlook of the story, Like you don't really have I 553 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:21,839 guess the main bad doctor like try and debate Zira into just getting more information 554 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,079 on dissecting humans, and then that's kind of what leads them to go to 555 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:29,119 that secret military base. Let me ask you this, do you think we 556 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440 get a different result in the first plant of the Apes if that ship lends 557 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:37,160 the water and Taylor and the other pilots all come out to the Apes on 558 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,000 the beach the same way that they just did this introduction as opposed to Taylor 559 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,480 and co being jumped and having their rags, and that's their introduction to the 560 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,000 apes. I think I don't think so because I think the problem is with 561 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,319 with society and the humans. Apes are still at zoos. They're looked at 562 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:57,200 as like animals and creatures, like not that you could like hang on pet, 563 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,119 but like there are things you could go again and everything, like there's 564 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:07,160 not slave apes, where in the apes they're taught to be scared, like 565 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,599 remember when Taylor enters that city, it's like fucking monsters inc with Boo, 566 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,840 Like some of the apes are fucking scared, like they're like running away from 567 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,920 So I think that's the problem is with the apes world. They've painted humans 568 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,559 out to be the Boogeyman, where in our world, apes are just another 569 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,519 animal among a bunch of different animals, right, So I think that's where 570 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,199 if they landed, they would have it still would have been fear. Maybe 571 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,119 there's a chance that if they land there's four of them, they all are 572 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,679 friendly, then maybe it goes a little different. Everyone knows right away, 573 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,960 But I still think the results probably not not good. Yeah, I don't 574 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,800 think it's positive. And again I think that ties to just how the society 575 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,599 is structured, because you have the people in charge, like the orangutans who 576 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,960 know about like the history of humans, right like that one forget his name, 577 00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,239 doctor Zias or whatever whatever, Well only a few of them do remember. 578 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,400 It's like hush hush, but like still like someone at at the hierarchy 579 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,880 knows about this, they're kind of like suppressing I guess that information from their 580 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,920 people and just for control, I would imagine, whereas so I agree with 581 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,880 Travis. I think it would probably not go well. That'd be a fun 582 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,760 what if though, to see life what happens. And also too, like 583 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,559 i've never seen the show. I might check out the show go to work 584 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,880 from home after we've done this, just to see we're not gonna retro, 585 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,000 don't worry. But like in today's day and age, I've always said, 586 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,719 like, hey, don't remake Taylor going to plan the apes, like, 587 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,280 don't remake any of that. But I feel like this show or this movie, 588 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,679 like like the concept were talking about go deeper, this would be the 589 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,599 one that I wish they adapted into a show. One actually have been cheaper 590 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,079 for them because I could have put the apes like in a world, But 591 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,679 I feel like if you could have six to eight episodes, eight to ten 592 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,119 even of like exploring all the politics, Like I think there's actually some good 593 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,239 stuff there, you know, And I'm not sure if we'd ever get that 594 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,599 now, because I just I think in order to get that they'd have to 595 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:52,880 remake the original. I wouldn't, but I feel like there's lots of concept 596 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,440 that you could really stretch it out more than just an hour and a half, 597 00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:00,599 you know, because it's like they're all these eras of great like areas 598 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:01,719 are great, especially today. So I hope if they were to do a 599 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,000 show, do it this, do like the reverse the apes lamb back here 600 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,400 and like what would we do, especially in like twenty twenty three, what 601 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:13,800 twenty four? What the fuck would happen? You know, Joshin Trudeau Donald 602 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,679 Trump meeting in twenty twenty sixties apeses fucking land down, Like what's going on? 603 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,719 You know? We got this war with Russia to deal with. They 604 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,039 wore Russia on the apes with us. They with Russia or that's that they 605 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:29,239 know. They landed with Peudin and he like uses them. Did you guys 606 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,000 find it weird because they kind of I feel like they wreck coond a little 607 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:37,280 of this because they asked more more about the history and Cornelius goes into depths 608 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,119 like oh, it says in the Sacred Sculls that there was the one ape 609 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,880 who said no, And I was like, well, didn't they not talk 610 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,400 about this like they do? You not hear me in my opening? Remember 611 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,719 you must have missed that I said that. No. No, yeah, 612 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,719 they definitely change the story of the apes and uprising they read. My head 613 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,400 canon is just that maybe they found out through MOREX like like looking into it 614 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,639 like in between movies. But yeah, they definitely changed the origins of humans 615 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,880 and apes. They didn't mention anything about their being dumb monkeys and like slaves 616 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,119 and everything. That's all new stuff. And the plague too that kills like 617 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,360 dogs and catsus, that's very very new. Yeah. So yeah, which 618 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,599 I like they use that in the new films, like with the ret Matt 619 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,519 Reeves and when they they bring that up. But yeah, they definitely did 620 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:30,400 some some retcond well Matt Reeves and uh, who's the other guy that did 621 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960 it? Should always forget his name? No, no, no, Matt 622 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,119 Reeves didn't do all three of the new ones. He did the last two. 623 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,000 There's a there's Ruper Wyatt. Ruber Wyatt did the first one, and 624 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,559 they do do the plague in there they talk about because remember those headlines of 625 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,000 like there's a sickness going around or something, So I like that they use 626 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:51,079 it for the future, but they definitely changed it here. But I guess 627 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,880 I'm okay with it, especially because this one. I don't know if I 628 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,599 put in the trivia, but they had much more idea that they were going 629 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,480 to do a fourth one right away, so it wasn't so I feel like 630 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:01,880 they were like, well, let's wreck on some stuff so we can set 631 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,480 up the like monkeys being slaves and everything. So I'm like, I'm fine. 632 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,599 Like I said, I just had canon that after Taylor left Zero and 633 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,800 Cornelius like found some more stuff to go. Oh, they've been lying even 634 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,679 further, right, because the more you learn about the lie, you'd probably 635 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:16,760 be like, hey, there has to be more out there in the Forbidden 636 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,320 Zone, right, not talking about the fucking mutant people, like in general, 637 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,960 so like the subways. Like, so that's why I had canon that 638 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,440 they found more stuff to show. Oh, everything's a lie. That happened. 639 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,480 But it's definitely they're fudging the numbers in this movie a little bit. 640 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,639 In the origin my head canon, there's no mutant people. Yeah, that's 641 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,119 my head canon, my head like, really you don't because the plant just 642 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,119 blows up. You could, and I probably most in the few. You 643 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,719 can't just watch one and then just really go to this, you know, 644 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,320 like because they don't even talk about the fucking other astronaut. We've forgotten his 645 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,480 name. Do you still have the picture of him? Of course we do, 646 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,400 Kaperton, Yeah, yeah, that's why they sent him. They want 647 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,840 everyone to have that fucking size. Man. Look at those hands. Look 648 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,800 at Charlo's hands. Man, he the fuck when he's spanking ladies. Yeah, 649 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:12,320 oh yeah, two cheeks with one clap, Kilanova. I'll bring me 650 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:20,360 to your monkey, right the god. What do we want to talk about 651 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,320 next? Talk about the doctor, which I kind of like that he which 652 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,719 one, the doctor, the one, the mean diet doctor. Yeah. 653 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,760 I can't remember his name. He Yeah, he has some fucking name. 654 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,280 I'm like, I don't know what that is. But I kind of like 655 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,920 too that he was like the bad guy, but it wasn't like an immediate 656 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,639 like he wasn't like a comic book bad guy where oh, we know he's 657 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:45,079 bad. It's like he seems suspicious, and I like, for assault twenty 658 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:46,159 minutes the movie, it just seems like he's with the apes and then he 659 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,639 just busts out that recorder, like, oh fuck, he's not with us. 660 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:53,440 But I like that they shrouded his motivation. It wasn't just I'm gonna 661 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,880 get those fucking apes. Whatever happens, you know, Like it was like, 662 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,679 Okay, he's been convinced and he's with us, and then it's like, 663 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,880 oh shit, now he's working behind the scenes. And again it's not 664 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,440 like he had suspicions and he wasn't wrong. His suspicions were these apes aren't 665 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,119 telling us everything, and they weren't telling them everything. Right now, I'm 666 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:13,360 not saying they had to jump to what they did to but he'd caught like 667 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,679 some sort of bullshit and probably you know that the Kirkulan's favorite dissect line was 668 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,239 definitely something that was So that's what I liked again where he's not the greatest, 669 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,800 but I like that he wasn't maybe mustache totally, which they they could 670 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,880 have done in my opinion right away like they gave him some motivation to be 671 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,320 because I don't know your your race is going to be destroyed. So yeah, 672 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,480 for sure, I feel like it gets to the point that it feels 673 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,360 kind of totally mustag hear the end, I think, sure, when he's 674 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,039 around the boat with a gun everything, it's a little too far, he's 675 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,960 like on his own, like yeah, or spy type situation, and like, 676 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:52,239 yeah, like that was a little that little I can agree on that. 677 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,719 Yeah, it did work for the most part. That he seemed like 678 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,360 just the one that you kind of put it upon himself that like he has 679 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,519 to be the last of the defense. Because even when he is calling uh, 680 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,960 the president or something to like get an update on something, and the 681 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,760 President's he kind of like pushes back against him. He's like, no, 682 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,639 this isn't this is an order that you have to do this, and he 683 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,199 kind of goes around I'm totally gonna butcher the line if I paraphrase. And 684 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,000 it's also in line with that two win they which another thing Cornelia is just 685 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,719 fucking like to me lies. But so they have that moment where they the 686 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,679 guy at the end they want to get zero whatever docked out, so they 687 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,039 can do the just the abortion pretty much, just plain simple, right, 688 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,320 and the Cornella stuffs that out. He accidentally kills the handler guy, and 689 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,599 so that doctor says they want to shoot him on site, and then the 690 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,119 presiden gos nos, like, we gotta yeah, we have to prove it's 691 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,920 innocent until proven guilty. Pretty much right, he's an experiment, like he's 692 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,400 explaining, like it doesn't matter. There's a code of context here we have 693 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:52,719 to follow. I did not appreciate later on where for quote, Cornelius said, 694 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,760 uh, I'm not responsible for his death. Yeah, you still were, 695 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,639 because at first, when they bump into the human doctors, he goes, 696 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,039 I didn't mean to kill him. He was just like he said, 697 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:06,480 he was teasing zero, which again I was like, weird way to explain 698 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:12,559 it, but fine, oh yeah yeah. But then so he goes from 699 00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,559 I didn't mean to to twin minutes later he said that line of I'm not 700 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,440 responsible for his death, even it's an accent cornehos, you still fucking killed 701 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,840 the dude. So I love, like, I wish they kind of didn't 702 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,639 do that in the movie, like they're trying to explain like oh, like 703 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,239 they're framing him for killing the humans, like he's still killed the fucking human 704 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,239 and Cornelis is slowly like, oh yeah, but did I though like he 705 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,519 was waving, I wanted like a more like more weight to like I don't 706 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:37,840 have an issue with him killing him if they find out that, like, 707 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,840 yeah, they're trying to kill your baby, and like this is gonna happen 708 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,760 absolutely, and then he's like, hey, we gotta get the fuck out 709 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,320 of here. Let's let's kill this you know, like you know, if 710 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,639 it's life or death if we don't kill this guy, yeah, exactly. 711 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,239 It was. It was like he literally just wrote it off that he was 712 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,760 teasing zero and then that just forced him to smash him and then yeah, 713 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,719 we we're gonna sneak out of here. Like that was a little eye really 714 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,599 there, and it seemed kind of out of care evenfore Cornelius like, I 715 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,000 get it if it is a life or death situation, but it wasn't at 716 00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,360 that point yet. And it's not like he showed like a tendency for like 717 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,159 aggression or anything in the other films, Like it seems pretty passive actually, 718 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,639 and the handler wasn't forcing himself either. He didn't have like a needle coming 719 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:15,719 at them. He was just still trying to talk him into it. So 720 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,440 I agree with you where it's like you do that just make the like we 721 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,880 were talking about with mad Max right where it's like we have some issues, 722 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,679 but the suspense of what happens at you needed some of that there for me 723 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,440 to buy Cornelius just taking the dude out, And again he didn't seem to 724 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:31,559 really care either. It's like, well fuck whatever he had. No, 725 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:36,119 he didn't have much sympathy later on, which I get it because they were 726 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,719 trying to take him and Zero no tailor. Yeah, terrible hiding spot. 727 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,119 They're literally just hiding like five feet from the goal. Yeah, like I 728 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:50,039 can't remember the human doctor. The lady, you know, very very good 729 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,119 looking lady. Yes, Stev, Like she's got she got it going on. 730 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,599 She like talks to the guards like okay, if you see anything last 731 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,880 time, I'll go back to their base and said it is like it's like 732 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,880 get back there, fuck, And he's just like Zero's over there resting. 733 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,159 It's like what the fuck? Like how far did you guys get? Like 734 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,280 and I get it because they're trying to like try to intercept the doctors. 735 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,800 But just was like the timing it all just felt so funny, like you 736 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,519 guys did not serve these grounds at all. Guards like they're fucking right there. 737 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,079 But you know, Chius his life, his life. Yeah. Do 738 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:29,360 you have any other specific notes or questions that bring up right now? I'm 739 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,519 looking through mind right now. I really actually liked the opening of just like 740 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,719 the ship and the water and then all the military people going there, and 741 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,280 then you just have they like open up the hatch and then like the three 742 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:49,639 space individuals pop out. I guess I just forgot that it could have been 743 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,840 apes. I don't know what the hell was going on in my head there, 744 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,559 but when they popped up, it was like Taylor fucking Taylor. Yeah, 745 00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,960 Taylor and the homies are better by the new explosion. It's him. 746 00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,400 The other guy had no I think. I was literally just still trying to 747 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,320 like get my wrap my head around the fact that like this is Earth in 748 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,039 the seventies. Yeah, and like what was going on, Like I really 749 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:13,920 just I don't know, didn't put two and two together. So it is 750 00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,360 just a cool little reaction though from the humans there, I guess. And 751 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,639 they popped the helmets off and I did really like that. The apes didn't 752 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,280 say anything for a little bit there, and then of course they put them 753 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,960 in the zoo. And I mean, this is like the exact same thing 754 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,400 that was going on in the in the first film too, because they have 755 00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,039 a zoo for humans that they that were calling it. So it was just 756 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:37,079 a good opening overall. Look, the beach looked very similar to the statue 757 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,440 Liberty Beach. Apparently that's like a well used beach from other films too. 758 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,559 Really, I don't know if it is the same beach as this ape. 759 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,360 I couldn't figure it out. But yeah, only one beach in Hollywood, 760 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,960 baby, that's the one. Yeah, and I guess we should talk about 761 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,559 too where we talked about a bit overall. But yeah, man, what 762 00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:59,519 a what a dark ending because they go to they decide that okay, this 763 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,599 is old no longer good, not a good situation. What why was the 764 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,280 bad doctor like hiding from the cops when like do I miss something there? 765 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:16,159 Because he he's hunting down Zira and Cornelius on his own and then like the 766 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,599 helicopter arrives and the police arrive and he's like hiding on the ship and he's 767 00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:24,039 like it, like did you guys catch the cops like on Team Ape at 768 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:29,840 this point, no near the end of the film, because they's still they 769 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,239 are they could have murdered a guy. They're like, they'd be up for 770 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,280 trial, so they're a suspect. That's what they would be. I think 771 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,159 because the President told him like, don't be out like he the President said, 772 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,920 will handle us, and the Doctor's like, fuck that, I'm gonna 773 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,159 do it myself. So I think there would have been some sort of I 774 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,199 think that's why they also killed that character off, but which I did not 775 00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,960 know because he looked so young. This guy that played doctor Otto Haas and 776 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,440 Eric Brain, he's been a part of which one is it soap opera that 777 00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,559 my mom has watched for decades, Young and the Restless. He plays Victor 778 00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:07,280 Newman. He's like, well of the more ninety three episodes, Yeah, 779 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,360 Victor Newman, Yeah, nineteen eighty two, that's twe Yeah, he's like 780 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,480 the guy in Young the Wrestless. I did not even put two and two 781 00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,719 together. Good looking guy was back. He's always been a good looking guy. 782 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,920 But like, that's crazy that that was him. I didn't even think 783 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,039 about it. But then when I saw his Creds, like, fucking yeah 784 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:23,880 he was. He's fucking Newman. You even know who Newman is? I'm 785 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,960 surprised. Oh yeah, my mom is big on and the Restless, The 786 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,760 Restless Man. Yeah, I can't believe that episode count four thousand and ninety 787 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,039 three episodes from eighty to twenty twenty four. You do guys think that they 788 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:42,599 do five it's daily soap operas, remember what a what a yeah business? 789 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,320 Because I took my time a couple of years ago when Franco of course Chance 790 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,440 Frankle went to General Hospital. I was a big Franco fan, so I 791 00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,960 watched it and that got me hope for General Hospital for a while. And 792 00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,320 yeah, it was It's a tough thing to keep up watching because yeah, 793 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,599 it's five days a week, and but usually what happen is you could figure 794 00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,719 out that you really just have to watch the Monday and Friday episode because those 795 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,719 are the cliffhanger and the answers, and the weekdays is kind of like mostly 796 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,719 filler, but the Friday and Monday episodes that way, Yeah, but they 797 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,079 were banger episodes, especially the Friday Cliffhanger's like fuck you go way to Monday? 798 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,800 Who why does Steven Venetia. What happened to him? Fuck Man Kirkland. 799 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,400 You know Coronation Street? Have you heard of that one? Oh yeah, 800 00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:23,280 that one's got eleven seven my grand that was in those retros. But 801 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:30,079 if anyone we'd have to make them out and anyone gives us like ten thousand. 802 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,719 If some big company buys US thousand dollars budget for our movie, well 803 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,400 yeah, maybe due a season. Like my grandma was always spanning Coronation Street 804 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,039 all the time. It's like whenever I came over, just always on. 805 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,719 But so yeah, their plan is okay, they've gone to the suit. 806 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,920 They meet fucking Ricardo monta Alibon and obviously say his name was just like Manta 807 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,880 Montalbon. What a badass. I love that character. I feel like I 808 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,400 was waiting for like the villain turn just because he seemed a little bit sus 809 00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,480 but like he is so like genuinely on the side of the yes, and 810 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,800 he just was so charismatic when he was talking to his other circus people. 811 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,320 I feel like I just see circuses in a dark lens that I was expecting 812 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,760 something dark to come of it, but he was just so loyal. Murcar 813 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,079 Montabon I fucking love this guy. He was the original Connie's Fantasy Island. 814 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,119 He just has such a fucking this man, I guarantee you fucked thousands of 815 00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:24,400 women. Oh this guy's charisma, like it's just there, like and it's 816 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,960 always he always has this in all these projects. He just has like just 817 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,599 this gen sick while he's fucking so good. And I'm excited because he comes 818 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:36,559 back in the next one. So it's like a good like it's really fun. 819 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:38,920 I'm pretty maybe i'm speaking out my ass. I'm pretty sure he's in 820 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:44,199 Conquest. I thought he was, but as I'm getting kirkl and excited, 821 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,960 it's just been a while. Hang on, I'll pull up. But Conquest, 822 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:50,039 okay, good, Yeah, because I think it's their son grown up. 823 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,400 But yeah, So the ideas they're gonna go to the zoo. They're 824 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,679 gonna take the monkey because the monkey, the baby monkey, is not talking 825 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,320 yet. So it's like, well, we can stash it there, but 826 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,880 he can't stash you guys. So they're gonna hire this boat for like a 827 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,079 couple of days. Like I said, fucking Cornelius has to take a leak. 828 00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,400 But man, he's just taking the wrong path in that boat. Uh, 829 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:14,360 fucking Victor Newman sees him big shootout. He shoots Zero first and then 830 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,239 Cornelia shoots him. Cornelia is great fucking shot man, like he's from the 831 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,239 Like he doesn't shot a gum, but he got that. And then uh, 832 00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:24,840 the Victor before he died shot the baby like three times. And then 833 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,760 fucking it's like even though it's a dummy ape, it's just really dark when 834 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,320 like Zero just takes the ape and throws it off the boat and you see 835 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,920 that, like it's a fuck. It's probably the darkest thing that's happened so 836 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:42,000 far in this trilogy. It's just like it's dark and it's just fucking super 837 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,559 depressing. And again also that one Grilla just lost her baby, had no 838 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,639 say in the matter. And then so they're dead. Uh, the doctor's 839 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,679 dead. But then they show the baby at the end already saying mama. 840 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,119 They have a weird clip of just showing the clip over and over again, 841 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,320 like I'm not sure if you know that when it says mama, they just 842 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,519 just put on a by repeat because he's like, mama, mom. I 843 00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:07,440 was watching Barbarian for a second. Yeah, yeah, so and yeah that's 844 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,719 uh. Ricardo is going to take the baby. Speaking of Ricardo, I 845 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,760 had to pull up his v He's done so much in his day, iconically 846 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:22,159 the grandfather from Spi Kids three R fuck, I forgot it sound like a 847 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,880 lot of animated voice too, Like he was like Kim Possible is one of 848 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,320 those like just a bunch of random Disney parians. This guy is a legend. 849 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,960 I can't believe he was the grandfather though from Spike Kids two and three. 850 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,280 That's funny, But yeah, what do you guys think about this kiss 851 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:46,320 ending? It was very chaotic and I was waiting for like the reveal of 852 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,960 like even when he shoots the baby, like like I had already said, 853 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,679 like I just expected to be like a like a dummy or something, or 854 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,199 like a bag of flower Like it just seemed way too dark, especially when 855 00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,960 he unloaded like three shots yeah, and then it goes yeah, and then 856 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,519 it ghost when it leads up to it. That was It was just so 857 00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,079 funny because he's like he's facing down zero, like like just right at gunpoint, 858 00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:10,199 she's holding the baby, and he's like, if you turn around, 859 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,159 I'm gonna shoot you, and she just like turns around and he just fucking 860 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,800 does what he says. He shoots right in the back, especially thought she 861 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,440 could outrun him. I guess she's like, oh, yeah, shoot me, 862 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,519 and then she just turns around and gets shot. And then uh yeah, 863 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,320 when their perspective, they just think because he's a doctor as well, 864 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840 that they maybe wouldn't do that. So she was calling his bluff. But 865 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,920 this guy, he will do it. God. The gunfight was kind of 866 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:42,599 like dated. I guess it seemed corny. It seemed like even when Cornelia 867 00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:44,960 just gets shot, I like didn't even realize that he got shot because he's 868 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,719 just like then that just gets stiff and then kind of falls over. But 869 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,280 yeah, it was very dark ending. I I feel like I was just 870 00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:57,599 not really loving it because I was expecting something to happen and it didn't. 871 00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,079 And what I what I didn't expect to happen that did happen. Wasn't that 872 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:05,039 satisfying. It's not like the bad guy kind of got what was coming to 873 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,079 him. He's just dead. We see just a floating baby gorilla in the 874 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:13,599 water. It's very depressing. And yeah, it was just kind of confusing 875 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,760 because, like I already said, I wasn't sure why Buddy was hiding from 876 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,239 the cops and then there's like the army people that are shooting at the apes, 877 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,239 Like I don't even know who killed Cornelius because there's like army guys as 878 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,960 well as police officer, and it seemed like they're kind of counter like. 879 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,599 It was just kind of clunky in my opinion for an ending. I really 880 00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:34,079 really love the set piece though, like that ship and just the overall pier. 881 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,639 I guess that they're at like, man, if only we have one 882 00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,559 of those in Colonna, we could shoot some sweet films and in those types 883 00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:45,800 of settings. Rella you're ready again in trouble, We're gonna go find a 884 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,679 boat. We're gonna be sneaking on that the whole time. You're like, 885 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,679 fuck, guys are on this boat. I might know where one is? 886 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,880 Perfect there there was I thought about the one time we were trying to Bear 887 00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:58,599 Creek or yeah, I think it's very creek. The camp set up there 888 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,119 right west side, there's around there. Have you ever seen like a house 889 00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:05,679 boat that's always just anchored out there. I'm like, I'm like, there's 890 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,000 not always there. I'm like, you know, of course we'd never do 891 00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:13,719 such a thing, but it's like sometime but yeah, to make sure we'll 892 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,239 talk to him. We work a boat into one of our next projects, 893 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:21,800 and I'd be down to go on a boat. So well that, and 894 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,360 then I feel like there isn't there still. I don't know if they took 895 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,119 it down, but wasn't there somewhere, and like all the way from here 896 00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:31,760 penticting like some abandoned like mental home or something like that, Like there was 897 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,119 said, I'm good. Could be a good set though, Klan. You 898 00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:42,920 know, I read that there's like an abandoned like ferry boat on the west 899 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:51,039 coast somewhere when the moon is full. Yeah, let's find it. Tearr 900 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:55,719 thoughts on the ending. Yeah, it's not it's not perfect. It definitely 901 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,800 just steers down the direction of like, hey, we're gonna we're setting something 902 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:05,599 up peer overall, but it definitely comes to like a proper closure, not 903 00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,159 a proper closure. It comes to a closure of just this arc of Cornelius 904 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,159 and Zerra, just their story here. And it doesn't feel great, Like 905 00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,679 you don't feel very satisfied after getting to this ending. And for me, 906 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,320 I feel like most of this film I really was driving with I really liked 907 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,280 it. But yeah, just the way that ends here. If we didn't 908 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,960 get a follow up to this movie, it would have really really brought my 909 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,599 overall down for this film. But because it continues on that narrative and this 910 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,239 sets up like the next two films to a degree, mostly just the next 911 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,599 one. Yeah, yeah, it does, so I definitely would say that 912 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:43,760 I would put the ending a little bit higher in that regard, even though 913 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,599 it was a little bit messy and it was a little bit rushed. I 914 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,960 feel like, just to tackle this kind of a story, it could have 915 00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:52,039 been like two films, just the setup. Like, but again, I'm 916 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,880 okay with the fact that they ended up with the baby that's it, and 917 00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:59,519 it just it creates an interesting narrative with his babies just in hiding. But 918 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,400 we'll get into that in the next the next film. So I have my 919 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,320 notes. I wonder what that fucking because they use a real baby chimpanzee. 920 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,920 I wonder what the fuck that chimpanzee was thinking when it's being held by actors 921 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,760 that like had this monkey makeup, but they're not monkeys, Like I just 922 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,360 like, what was the psychology of this ape after? They must have been 923 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,400 fucked up, I feel. But the other thing I have to be in 924 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,679 a lot of movies to that. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So I 925 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,519 forgot to mention too that the reason they have a gun is not even to 926 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,119 fight back. Cornelis just asked for a gun that so if we have the 927 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,599 chance, so we can kill ourselves. That's like their whole their method was 928 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:37,920 not because I don't think Cornelis was doing a fight back. I think he 929 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,480 just shot the doctor because he killed zero, so like at a rage he 930 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,119 did it. But like their go to plan was if they get found, 931 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:46,280 they're just gonna kill himself. On the baby, it was like, fuck, 932 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,079 man, this is like dark shit here for this movie, and Cornelos 933 00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:52,639 just said like a matter of a fact, and then the Doctor's like I 934 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,480 thought you might ask that, like and then he just had a gun with 935 00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:00,719 him. I was like, that's what you thought anybody? Yea, I 936 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:07,000 thought you might kill yourself. It's just odd. But uh the fun line 937 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:08,599 too, and she's like you're the only second person of kiss, and Cornelius 938 00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:12,840 just walks over like and you're the first. Like some some fun back and 939 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,920 forth there. So I like those characters. Are not much to say on 940 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,440 them, but I like them as just like the general good guys. I 941 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,440 don't think in the same way plann Ames. I don't like them as much 942 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,280 as Zero and Cornelis. I don't think they had as much personality as them. 943 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,440 But you know, they worked so and like I said, it was 944 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,239 kind of funny that they like they had to have like a male and female 945 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,320 doctor. So you know Cornelius and Zero where they weren't, I guess they 946 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,800 were smooching. Actually that was a hilarious moment. And then like, you'll 947 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,920 be the second human I laid my lips on and then fucking Cornelius has been 948 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,360 eyeball and Zero all movie. Oh yeah, you'll be the first grabs her 949 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,840 ass. No it didn't happen. Oh and then the last time I had 950 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,079 was uh, fucked that girl there in the cage with and a couple of 951 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,400 other monkeys here were looking rough. And the people in the costumes when they 952 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000 weren't the bankup ones, Like it's tough because like, yeah, you can't 953 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,760 get a real monkey, and then you can't also have them have makeup because 954 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,679 it just look different. But like that one that kills Milo, like this 955 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:12,119 is fucking party city costume here, but they have them. He's the date 956 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:16,000 and he's fine and he has killed their friend. Like fuck man, Oh 957 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,079 geez, yeah, what a way to go. You're just hanging out. 958 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:24,119 I'm just as grilled gets you. But yeah, all right, well excuse 959 00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:29,400 me. Uh the villain the films villain, Doctor Henson Is actually briefly mentioned 960 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,679 the beginning of Planet Apes and Beneath the Planet Apes, so I didn't know, 961 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,519 but I guess they'd name dropped him in the other films before, so 962 00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,320 must have been like the other astronaut. So that's cool. Uh yeah. 963 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,199 With Beneath of the Planet Apes doing so well, the box office producer Arthur 964 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,880 P. Jacobs sent a telegram to the writer of Paul Then four months after 965 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,960 the film's released, simply said Apes exist. Sequel required. So again we 966 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,360 talked about it. Where this was where Fox was having some struggles. Obviously 967 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,320 they had strougles there and I bought out, but that's why they did this 968 00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:59,199 and then and there was more of a plan to have like you know, 969 00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:00,880 we're probably gonna do a just because they were banking on stuff that was making 970 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,599 the money. Right. So one of the earliest scripts has the three Apo 971 00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,320 Knots viewing the dying Earth from their space capsule before going back in time. 972 00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:13,639 This scene was actually shot but not completed. No FX are on it, 973 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,639 So there's a scene of them on the ship watching Earth Exwoman but no FX 974 00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:20,920 at Also is just the you think there's like another monkey in the in the 975 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,800 ship just dead because their life support system died. Like yeah, I like 976 00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:30,880 to use the term like apa knot, but like like really like what's astro 977 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:35,280 not Like it's not really a human like dictation from that day, Like it's 978 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:42,360 just astro nautical explorer. But I mean, you got it's fun play on 979 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,800 word. I already explained about the porga. Yes, sal Manoa, that 980 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,360 was the guy that unfortunately was murdered on age three seven, nineteen seventy six. 981 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,480 So shut up to Milo. Yeah that sucks man. Uh, Zero's 982 00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,920 first sucks man. You listen to this? Yeah, and that just that 983 01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:04,159 just does It's just a bummer, you know. It's like that would be 984 01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:06,920 big. That's telling me like, hey, you got seven years left, 985 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,840 like get ready. It's like fuck man like so that stuff to do. 986 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,559 Zero's first line and the President of Humans because I loathed bananas is a reference 987 01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,880 to Kim Hunter's real estates for the fruit, which originated from filming plant the 988 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,039 apes. The actors portraying the eggs were required to keep their makeup on during 989 01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:23,840 breaks in order to save time, so the rest of the crew often called 990 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:29,000 the monkeys and offered them bananas to mock them. So that was inspiration that 991 01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,599 she just fucking hates bananas. What a toxic working environment. Look at the 992 01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:37,920 fucking monkeys, little banana. Yeah, as they're making like fucking fiftieth of 993 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,280 the wage of the main actressism, I'm sure, yeah, people. And 994 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,880 then for the deaf scene, Qunias and Zero were originally going to be ripped 995 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:52,679 apart by a pack of Dolrman dogs. That's that glad they didn't go that 996 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,880 route the feared dog from that decade led by doctor Hayston. But the producers 997 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,800 saw this scene would be too gruesome, so they would kill my gun Johnson 998 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,679 stuf. I think that was the right call because it's already dark enough ending 999 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,199 it just like Cornelism's here just getting fucking ripped apart by dogs. And I 1000 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,559 would assume the baby as well, because the baby had to die, right, 1001 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:13,599 So it's just like fucked man. I mean that dog's too. The 1002 01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,559 same thing they noticed all these walking monkeys just a bad situation overall. So 1003 01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:21,039 I think clunkiness. I think the gunshot was the way to go. And 1004 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,280 I also like cornelis getting to kill on Hasten like it's like a good like 1005 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:31,360 I don't know some cup oppings for that character. So yeah, final thoughts 1006 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:36,000 suckle first. Uh, Like I said, really enjoy this movie. There's 1007 01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,360 some concepts in here that are really pushing the envelope. There's some things, 1008 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,639 like I said, maybe this one could have been this hour half could have 1009 01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:44,000 I could have seen the stretching out to two hours, and you hit some 1010 01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:47,320 other things, but overall really good. I'm excited to see when we get 1011 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,840 to Kingdom and we do our rankings because they don't know where it would be, 1012 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,599 because I got a couple other ones that there's some really good films coming 1013 01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,480 up. But yeah, I'm gonna give this one an eight out of ten. 1014 01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,440 It's I always remember as a high spot because I feel always out in 1015 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,239 the first one. There's nothing good and I go, no, like Conquest 1016 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,400 is really good. Escapes I always said like was pretty good, but really 1017 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,719 when they talk about like how much the actual they dive into the dynamics of 1018 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:14,199 the apes and the future and the war and the humans, like there's they 1019 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,519 do it more than I remember. I remember that. I just remember as 1020 01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:20,079 they land on Earth and humans want to kill them, but there was much 1021 01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,800 more thought given to it. So I'm gonna go in eight at ten, 1022 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,280 mister Patzer, right on, Yeah, I'm gonna go seven and a half 1023 01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:29,440 on this one. I think the inning was a little bit clunky for me, 1024 01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:31,679 and I I don't know, maybe, like maybe on another viewing too, 1025 01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:35,280 I might be a little bit more positive, just because I kind of 1026 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,400 know how it went. But I really like just the overall interactions amongst the 1027 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,360 apes and humans in this and of course the parallel paralleling of the first film. 1028 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,400 There's just some, in my opinion, some mustache tochirliness with our main 1029 01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:52,719 villain and that dissect line, like it just seemed like they're beating the dead 1030 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,599 fish over with that one, and the effect that they were trying to get 1031 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,519 from the viewer is not how I took it at all. I found it 1032 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:01,480 pretty funny, and I just a little bit more I think from them, 1033 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,760 I don't know, I guess defending themselves for their scientific ways. Back on 1034 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,400 the Ape plan versus the human Land. So for me, that didn't sit 1035 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,320 too well. But I definitely a nice step up from that last film. 1036 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,639 It definitely feels like a nice successor to the first film and just like growing 1037 01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:22,880 upon it. Like especially that we have these same characters from that original I 1038 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:28,760 guess this is goodbye to all of the original cast members I would imagine going 1039 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,880 forward. Hey, like no, oh no, Ronny mcdehell comes back to 1040 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,440 play the baby ape. Oh wow, that's interesting. I do like him 1041 01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:44,280 in the role, so how that performance will go? Yeah, he comes 1042 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,280 back in the next too, he's the same apes. Conquest is the next 1043 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,159 one, right, Conquests. Yeah, and then we have Battle but yeah, 1044 01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:52,360 so he's back for both. She's not Kim Hunter, but yeah, 1045 01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:58,159 yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go in eight out of 1046 01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:00,360 ten. I really really do like this. I like how we get things 1047 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,320 kind of switched around and switched over between the storyline, even though it is 1048 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:10,840 that parallel change of perspective from that first film. And I really like how 1049 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,000 it it brings in the time travel some more and it just changes things up, 1050 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:18,519 and I think that they are able to explore more than what you think 1051 01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,440 that they could tackle. Already. I mean, it's a very it's a 1052 01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:27,159 very like straightforward narrative, i'd say, with when you're dealing with the racism 1053 01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:30,000 and what they're trying to portray in this in that first Apes film. But 1054 01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,440 they do such a good job at building up more and more from this this 1055 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:38,800 narrative and expanding on it and going further into humans act and further into how 1056 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,000 the Apes act, and just you have to remember that the Apes are just 1057 01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:47,920 a reflection of certain very negative things that the humanity is, and they explore 1058 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:53,480 that even more in the next Apes trilogy. So I like that they touch 1059 01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:57,199 upon that here and it's just it's it's just a wacky time. They tackle 1060 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,239 some really cool things and just to see like our characters that we're familar with 1061 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,280 and this change of setting is just super wild. And so I definitely like 1062 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:09,239 to revisit this one, uh, every so often. So it's definitely one 1063 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,840 of my more favorite ones of this this whole arc of five films for this 1064 01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,880 this series. But yeah, eight out of ten is where I'm gonna go 1065 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,039 with it. There we go. Well, like you said, we'll be 1066 01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:25,880 back very soon with Conquest. How is it for Planet Apes or Plan what 1067 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,079 is it actually? What is the title quest for the Planet of the Apes. 1068 01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:31,840 I'd be for the plan Let's see Rony mcdell. Let's click on it 1069 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:39,320 here, because I don't think they got the problem. Conquest of the planet 1070 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,800 Apes. Oh no, so they're doing the of that. They started the 1071 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:45,400 conquest of the Plan of the Apes. I don't really like that language, 1072 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,960 like four your conquesting four the Yeah, I don't know, conquest of the 1073 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,800 planet Kingdom four plan the Plan Ape. I'm gonna think about that now for 1074 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,599 the rest of the day to be better. Well, we'll be back to 1075 01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,039 talk about conquest very soon. Thank you very much for tuning in, and 1076 01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:04,679 we're here from us next it will not be boring. Bye h