Hell, Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Plan of the
Apes retrospective. I remember that when the first time he said, oh,
I was no, I'm wrong, do this is wrong? Sound fact the
Planet Apes and it's Taylor running go back Plum Apes. Let's just talk about
Plantings wanting a great movie. But here we are for the third retrospective of
the Plan the Apes. Of course, we are getting ready for the fucking
mouthful title the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. They got, these
franchisees had it right, escape from Plan the Apes. They always had like
the first two words, the first few words made sense. But now we're
in the dawn of the Kingdom of like this. We gotta get rid of
this of it's too much bluir load early right, like they use all the
the ideal titles in the early days and then now they have to add on
to it and just mouthful. Do you think we live in both worlds,
right? Or we let's say we do live in both worlds where they're playing
Kingdom of the Plan of the Apes, or if it's Plan the Apes Kingdom.
Do you think one does any better or worse than the box office?
Because I sure don't, and I just think you just call the Plan the
Apes Kingdom. That's done. It's funny. Kingdom of the Planet of the
Apes. No, probably have to have apes in the title. Actually,
I was with you and then Taylor just switched. I still had apes in
the title though. In my title, Kirk, what was it again?
Kingdom Plan the Apes Kingdom done? Planet of the Apes Kingdom. People think,
oh, is this some national geographic show or something like that that could
be Planet Plant the Ape still has that kingdom. Yeah, okay, I
guess you won me over again. It's just a mouthful Kingdom of the Planet
of the Ape. I just don't like long titles, you know, Yeah,
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Patser, What did you think? So we're here in the third one for
people. If you don't know, this is uh Zira and Cornelius and fucking
Islo, doctor Zilo, doctor Zilo. His name is Milo. That's why
they named the baby Milo. Why did you think they named the baby Milo?
If you thought his name was Zilo, that it was just a cute
name. I honestly didn't. I totally forgot about like that quick. There's
a reason a tribune note to come in. So he was an actor,
very sad story. He a few years later got murdered and he was only
thirty six, so really set. And I don't think it was anything like
mischievous, just like a wrong place, wrong time, So like I shouldn't
even like this guy wearing a gorilla. I hated that movie. No,
like if he took this movie because he like Roy McDowell, because after rhym
Ydell did plan the apes for Cornelis. His career took a big spike up,
like everyone's like, oh, who's playing Cornelius? He won the same
thing happened, But I guess when he got the role he hate the fucking
makeup, so they took the script and short in his character down. That's
why he just got killed off so quickly because he took the makeup. He's
like, I fucking hate this, Get me out of this, and like,
hey, we're doing in the previous one, Like you didn't have the
makeup, not this actor. I don't think. Maybe Milo was, but
wasn't played by this actor, so which is so odd to think, Like
I guess it can happen, but just so odd to think that you playing
a monkey makeup character can make you like Kevin, did he not read the
script? Like did he not know he was gonna be in costume? A
little? But he did, but he didn't until he didn't have the caution
on right, It's a different thing when you read it and then you he's
probably there's been two movies, so he's probably like, oh, it's not
that bad, and when again there I would love for a day to be
putting that just to see what it felt like. Oh fuck, one day
we do the puppet cast. Patreons, get us enough money so we can
pay a makeup person. We will all be in full classic plan the Apes
guard and do a full newscast. That would be fucking awesome. We'd just
be fucking sweat and bulls. But I would love to see. But yeah,
so fortune for that actor. Yeah he didn't have a long life.
But yeah he was out of this because it's just to make up was too
much for me. He just said, I want out in I guess it's
like a Hugo Weaven thing, right. He didn't want to be in the
Red Skull. Yeah, he fucking hated that Red Skull thing. I always
loved if he heard about infinnywhere endgame, like just that they're cgi dots now
because I said after because after any game, he was all like, oh,
I'd love to come back, I'd love to do it again. And
they're like, yeah, fuck you, buddy. He left us. But
you know, not like we got any more Red Skull. But we're here
to talk about plan the Apes. So this is one where they all escape
somehow will get to the escape plan the apes, but did they really escape
Hudles. We'll talk about it, Kirkham Pats or did you have you I
think we've talked about before, but it's tough. The retros are further apart,
But like, did you have any knowledge this? Have you seen this
one before? So any past stuff and then your your current day thoughts.
I think I have seen this before, just because like on that first retro
that we did, I was gonna talk about my history with it, and
like I had that VHS collection pack that I'm assuming because this is so close
to that original it was in that pack, and I feel like I think
the four the for sure four were maybe five. They were pretty close together.
So yeah, so I'm sure I've seen it. But like I feel
like there's scenes in here that I just assumed were like spliced into different parts
of the movies or something like that. So it was a very fresh viewing.
There was just a lot of scenes that I didn't really know how it
was gonna go, and I didn't know how the movie was gonna end.
I spoiler, I was gonna say spoiler alert. I thought they were going
to escape this planet and just go somewhere else because of because of the title,
but uh, you know, that didn't really happen. But overall for
the whole movie, you haven't seen it. So I found it interesting.
Definitely a step up from the previous movie. I just really didn't like Beneath.
Uh, just a lot of stuff in that movie was not great.
Here, it's it's almost like a parallel to like what the first one is,
where you have obviously Taylor and crew laning on the planet of the Apes,
for you have these ape folk landing on Earth. I was very confused
at the beginning on just what the fuck was going on, because I'm like,
this is like, this doesn't make sense, like they must have gone
back in time. And then like two minutes later they explain exactly what happens,
like somehow we just went back to Earth at this era. Kids,
this is happening. Just watch the movie. Oh just tell me, Dad,
just watch the movie. So like, yeah, I feel like right
away, I'm like, this sucks. I'm not gonna like this that They're
just they're totally wreck Connie what happened before, And then they explain it really
really quickly, and they don't really go to the science about how it works,
which I guess is okay, you don't really have to fully explain what
part of me happens. But yeah, I definitely step up from the previous
film. It was kind of fun to just see how I guess the human
society were treating the apes versus how we saw the apes society treat the humans.
Some of like the parallel dialogue of just comparing, especially when they when
the human commissioners or whatever are seeing the apes and like thinking of them is
so bad, barrack, because they're treating, you know, humans the way
that shouldn't be treat like humans shouldn't be treating each other. And then like
you even have I forget the doctor's name, but basically just making like the
same argument. It's like, well, that's what we do with with with
animals here, And we were kind of having those dialogues in the first retro
with the first movie, so it was kind of interesting to hear their take
on balancing that. And I think there was actually some decisions made by like
maybe the government of the humans and just the commissioners, and it seemed fairly
reasonable. Some of the reactions, like there is the extreme type characters or
like we gotta murder these like they're gonna take over all of human society,
and that kind of got a little bit drying for me. But for the
most part, I actually found it interesting the way that the Commission and even
the President of the United States, Like I feel like it's just such a
maybe a stereotype, but like I'm so expecting the President to be like,
we gotta murder these apes and like, you know, pro America and we
just gotta like pro humans, like we gotta just take these guys out.
But the President in this movie, he seemed like such a reasonable individual,
Like he seemed like he was very defensive of the ape folk and just overall,
like it seemed like he needed a lot of evidence for the part of
me, the extreme doctor, to want to just murder them. So how
those situations too, Like Starry in eject he says like this is a society,
like a government that might not even exist in like the year three thousand,
Like yeah, yeah, And like I feel like I appreciated that because
it's just different than what I was expecting, Like I was just so expecting,
especially when did this come out, like late seventy oh yeah, early
seventies, nineteen seventy one there you go. So like I just feel like
around like the Space Race era, like I just expect, like the the
American government type figures in movies to just be like we are number one,
like we gotta it's about us or no one. So that kind of surprised
me. There's still some things that happened like later on that I was just
kind of irolly on and mostly with like our main I guess antagonists of the
film. But overall, I think this is a nice, a nice step
up from that previous movie. And yeah, I mean it's kind of spoiled
already, but like tragic end these characters that we've had since since they get
the Get Go. They kind of went out anti climactic a little bit,
But yeah, I'm excited to dive in with you guys and for some one
just random poor baby Ape who had really nothing to do with anything, but
that was so sad. I I was waiting for like the the coin flip
like reveal of like they swapped the baby at the zoo, so like,
well, I guess that did happen, never mind, but like like it's
like a big reveal for you. I thought they had like a like a
like a or something. Yeah, exactly. I thought there's gonna be some
sort of clever reaction, very sad for that mother ape and the yeah su
just got her baby swapped out there. Yes, And that's where it's like,
I guess I can go where. I think that is the the strength
of this because it is the first film flipped and that's the unfortunately where you'll
never be as interesting as that because it's like you're on a at that point,
like we think is a different planet. Right, So, like we've
talk about the whole the build up of Taylor walking around, you know,
all the scarecrows, what the fuck they call it againon Kirkland what's a long
name? The effigies, you know, in the in the wilderness, you
know all that stuff. So like there's this big build up and it's monkey's
talking right where this is not as exciting because it's Earth. We don't Earth
looks like it's humans talking like we like, it's all it's them coming up,
So that aspects not as much. There's somewhird stuff with like the score
is fucking weird in this movie, like the funky like like I get,
I get what they're trying to do, but it was not good. It
was like, oh, you're on Earth and this is the era. But
it's like we talk about in the first plane, is the score is so
good. This is just like just sometimes they they're playing like the funky music
when dramatic stuff is going on, it's like, get that out of here.
So it's not a perfect film. It's not the height set, but
like I have a soft spot for this one and the fourth one. I
think they're actually quite good. And I think because it's stuff where like zero
and cornelis, Yes, we love them, and they were with tear and
stuff like that, but they also, like you're they bring up like security
concerns, you know, like they've done the same things that we've done.
They it's not good that they get caught longing multiple times, which is like
it's tough because we know why they're lying. But at the same time,
it's like if you, if you, if we were in our world right
now, think about what happened a fucking spaceship land and then three monkeys came
out could talk, and then one of the things they were lying about is
how monkeys took over the world. You'd be like, like, there's things
where you understand even some of the extremes of even talking about killing them or
making it killing the child, making sure she couldn't have children. It's like
you kind of understand how even our society would definitely jump to that, you
know, and even for me, it's like how you might have to question,
like this might be the right thing to do, because there are some
extremes. But it is tough. When the monkeys lay out, hey,
we come from the future, in the future, your people go to,
should we take over? You know? The origins a little different. It's
a little uh because in the first Apes has just explained that the apes have
always been in power, and lots of people don't know. But it seems
like and Cornelis know everything about these apes, like being slaves, and so
there's a little bit of a mixed muddle things there, maybe some experience or
some scientific studies they found more stuff. But that's what I like, just
even little stuff where they're talking to the un and the cen and whatever,
and she goes, oh, when we dissect and then we looked at into
humans and they play that back. But that's where it's just like there is
layers to it because Cornelius at one point gets so mad about all the stuff
they do and and Zero just says, it's not anything different than what we've
done before, and like they're right, like they were the nice rapes they
were trying to but they were part of all that stuff of like helping humans
be held down and they were experience. So that's where it's like, it
is a flip that you don't want them to die like Taylor, because like
there's there's shades of great character and we're rooting for them, but it's like,
uh, it's tough because like they're not like completely innocent apes, you
know, but they were trying to be better because they saw the air of
their ways. So that's why we're cheering for these characters. So it is
sad that like they have this plan they're gonna get to this and just be
undercover for the rest of our lives, and they're so close or like two
days away from achieving this. I don't know why Corneos is fucking around walking
on the boat like he is, Like he's just he's not high and at
all, the poor guy, and we'll get there. But uh so I
do really love the flip, and I think like I think it's fortunate or
unfortunately. I don't like fortunately for the film, but unfortunate for us,
Like I don't think these dynamics have changed at all with some of the heights
people would jump to. So I think, of anything, it's more optimistic
because the way where for at least a couple of weeks the apes are accepted
and like they're the hot shit. Yeah, I don't even know if that
would happen nowadays. I think it would go jump right to we're just gonna
fucking execute these things, you know, or just trapped in a lab somewhere
like the public. Yeah, yeah, exactly so. And I have some
questions too about the time travel stuff, but that doesn't get into like I'm
not gonna say all this is wrong. It's just a chicken and an egg
scenario because it's just funny where it's kind of positioned where this is supposed to
be technically like a prequel plan mapes. But I'm always like, so,
what Taylor comes from a world where they knew it's it's a weird. It's
a weird chain of events because they already sent Taylor. But technically Caesar gets
born in this like this error and takes over. So it's a weird,
like I said, thing, But no, I really enjoyed this film.
There's a lot of good ideology things they bring up and out in half not
too long of a run time. I think they don't oversay they're welcome,
And yeah, I quite enjoy it. I never feel like I get excited
to watch this one. And because I like, we only got them aside
characters. I like Zero and Cornela, so it's nice having them as like
a lead, you know, I think that helps. If I didn't it
was just two other monkeys make maybe, but taking the I say, other
than what's his name? Charlton Heston, like the most likable characters was a
smart thing, like good thing, like doctor, like Zius or whatever.
Wasn't with him too, you know, like that would be like fuck,
Like I know he died last week, but if they would have like,
oh we need like even Milo, Like I know him getting killed off was
a different reason, but it's like I didn't miss him, like I was
fine with the dynamic of Zero and Cornelis, so overall I quite liked the
movie. So yeah, I like this one a lot. This is one
that I usually always think about when we talk about planning the a's with whoever
I talked to, this is the go to spell for Taylor's rankings when we
do the rankings episode Escape number one. I just really enjoyed the concept of
them salvaging Taylor's ship and then taking parts. I think this is they took
parts from the other guy's ship and they never mentioned him in this movie.
Hey, they talked about Taylor. The US doesn't give a like, remember
when Taylor didn't remember him? That's the US government. They never once mentioned
they say two astron or two ships, but they never mentioned that guy where
Taylor's like fucking top ship, Like did you know they didn't even talk about
the other people that were with Taylor mentioned there were only two that talked like
Zerra does mention that No, but I'm the US government. I mean when
they're always like, oh, Taylor, I left a few years, like
it was two years ago. But they never like the woman that was with
them the other people, like yeah, he must have been like you're saying,
like I was gonna say top ship. He was like the rock,
Like he was like this great actor someone that like everyone just unanimously loved.
And then he just like gets sent on a spaceship somewhere, and just like
Earth's hero is Taylor, we want all the children to look like him.
So we're gonna send him to repopulate. We want to have that laugh,
those teeth, the height his his, how big he is. We want
pay in society. Yeah, we want everyone to be like Taylor and so
but yeah, this this film, I think you guys have said a lot
of things spot on, and I liked how it kind of parallels the first
film in that regard of being same perspectives or sorry, same narrative to a
degree, but different perspective. Yeah, from the apes being immersed in here,
like oh my god, they're all talking, I would have I would
have really loved this film if they didn't kill doctor Milo off right away.
I would have really appreciated to have his his perspective because the moment when we
get them alone and he's talking, like, hey, yeah, we need
to stay silent. We need to know who our enemies and our friends are.
We need to just like approach this different. I really like that.
I liked it a lot. And when I love Cornelius and Zero, I
think they're fantastic characters. And seeing them leave this film was great. I
definitely can understand why Zero was a problem because she was she was saying things
she shouldn't have. She was really temperamental. But again it fits with that
character after everything they've been through, I'd have to deal with like the gorilla
war and the humans and all this crazy shit with the orangutangs, So it
makes sense. But that's definitely Zero was the cause of their downfall. Yeah,
that's that's where they'll get more into, but that that is one kind
of habit that just because like they saw exactly what happened to Taylor. It's
just hard for me to believe that Zerra still, Like you're right that they
set up she has like a bit of a temper at times, but it's
like like what happened with Taylor on a different planet, like just for her,
so not like I thought. They set it up in a perfect way
for them to talk, and they just had to have her say the line
about bananas, which was odd. Like I thought, what they should have
done is when Milo got attacked, them accidentally speak in that moment because they're
not even thinking about it, and that's a That's the reason I just was
hard for me to buy where they've saw what happen and she's still gonna say
something like you know, this could be the end for you, And it
was the end for you. It was like if they don't talk, who
knows gonna happen. But so that was one calling me. I just thought
Zero was smart enough not to say that's just to be I don't like bananas,
Like it was such a bull like you're just fucking everyone over just exclaiming
about bananas. So just play game for like a little bit. But I
mean, on the other hand though, like she also got like a really
positive reception right like in the courtroom and everyone she was like just dropping Zinger
just and everybody was loving her. And then that's when they like they go
back and Stevie I think was the female doctor and she was like, oh,
they loved you. Then that's what kind of leads them on doing like
their world tour and like going shopping and everything. She's like standing up for
women's rights. You know that at that one meeting they had so like talk
a little too much. Then yeah, you know, no, yeah,
that was Buddy just entrapping her. Essentially a smart play on by him,
though, you know, he was smooth. He was like fucking James Bond
with that cigarette or order or that. Like I'm not saying he's a good
guy, but I'm just saying, like he's that's a fucking secret agent right
there. He's not a doctor that sme on to just like seventy one,
and like I would imagine they didn't know about like how bad it was to
be like drinking with a baby or anything. They're just like intoxicating her multiple
times even though she's pregnant. Oh yeah, I don't know. We're kind
of starting or going, but I'll just kind of like add something to that.
The the idea of that guy. And I guess what you already spoke
to Travis, just civisation. If these apes came down, which I loved
how they were introduced in the military is like what the fuck, Like this
is crazy. But and the first the thing they're humans too. I love
that, like they're just a build up. They have the helmets on like
that. Yeah, that's that's so very fun build up to that moment.
I think that people in today's age responding to this negatively is very very very
very likely. I also think too that he used to be the massive Cryptic
Clues episodes with this count as a cryptid episode with monkeys from out of space.
But what is a crypto? What's the different sh cryptid? Oh well,
it's just like a creature that has lack their scientific proof of existing mostly,
But then that was some monkeys from space with aliens. Aliens for sure
were mixing in there. So monkeys from space like monkey alien peak peak monky
aliens, but donkey from aliens saying that from our future, that's a good
episode. Yeah, yeahs in the middle of our twenty year battle with Russia.
Yeah. Fuck. So I think that it's hard to know, like
it would be executing the apesped the solution or letting them say alive be the
solution. Like, no matter what, I think, whatever would happen,
humanity would screw themselves. In this case, they did. They concered their
downfall. But the guy's dedication to trying to get humanity to turn against Zerra
and Cornelius was just crazy because I think that there was a lot of as
negative as it was the things that Zero was saying, there was some light
in there where they they reveal how the gorillas were and the rangutangs were and
how Yeah, they themselves are pacifist, and that holds up in their court
case, that allows them to be kept, you know, in a reasonable
place of protection, i'd say, But they go further with that because in
the recordings they say like, yeah, we helped Taylor, we loved them,
we protected them like they were right away. Though remember they that's that's
their problem too. They got they got caught lying twice. They lie about
Taylor because they asked what, I never met him? And they talked about
like that, you know, because Zerra admits that in court that she knew
him. I'm pretty sure didn't she was not earliest. That says no,
and Cornelias says no. One right after Zerra says encounters that with yes,
Well, okay, either way, when they if they didn't know him or
didn't know him, they don't talk about the whole situation about the kid,
like, they don't talk about all that. And then they also don't get
when they say where are you from? They lie about that. So again
that's where the point of view of the humans, I would understand. They
eventually tell you that the apes take over, and now you've had these people
lie to you twice. I would see there be some worry of like,
fuck, what if they are just gonna like slowly like we've caught them in
two Live. It's like I would see the talking if they were And that's
what I like the movie because if they were just completely good, then it's
like, Okay, why would you kill them? You know, like because
even the I forgot about the main scientists. But when he's talking to the
president and he's like, if you do this, you could change the future?
Is that a power we should have? And I like that He's like,
I don't know. He wasn't a villain where he's like absolutely where humans
were the we should change. He even him like he'd is he wanted to
kill the apes, but he also didn't know if that was the right thing
to do, but just thought with his equation, this is what we should
do is take him out. But he said, I don't even know if
we should be fucking with like time and stuff like that. So that's why
I like all the issues are great because yeah, they probably they didn't have
to lie about Taylor. I think the world ending stuff they're lying with Tam.
They could have just been like, like how do they get the fucking
ship, like, yeah, we met him, we were friends with him.
Like they thought they'd be like, oh, yeah, ta, we
hate that guy. Yeah he kissed you. No, no, they'd be
like, he kissed you. Actually, yeah he would fuck her, wouldn't
he. They should have told him that they wouldn't know. Oh yeah that
is Taylor. Yeah. I feel like that one wasn't didn't bother me though,
because like it didn't seem like they had time to prep for like all
the questions that could be answered, and because I think they get asked that
and then I think it's cornelius like looks at zero and then they kind of
are like uh they they hesitate. That's like, no, we didn't,
we didn't know it. So yeah, I'm not saying that's bad. I'm
saying that for me, it's not story wise. It just means, like
I'm saying, from the human perspective of because clearly the fucking world over their
loves Taylor for some reason. He's the top shit. So I'm just so
yeah, I think for me, I'm happy with it. In the story.
I like that they lie, but as a human I'd be like,
you know, they and then they didn't even mention that they're like the bottomized
the other astronaut, Like it's there'd be some concern there, That's what I'm
saying. If like they that's twice now two big things. You've lied.
You lied about the leading astronaut and now you've lied about where you're from.
Like what else do they fucking line about? You know? Yeah, I
guess I understand like the skepticism from the humans, especially just when they when
they get led down the lines of like the humans are just basically the apes
of the future yea, and the apes are running the show. So uh,
you know, from like a humanist or whatever the fuck you would call
that, like a pro human person, you're like, Wow, what where
did they screw up to where we weren't around anymore? We were the ones
in cages. I can understand the concern there. I guess there's especially like
the dissect line. I just couldn't help but laugh in that moment because like
they have them down and he's like replay that last the last two seconds,
like it's like dissect, dissect, dissect, dissect. It's like finish the
word Ape for finish the word. It's like, we know what the fucking
word is you idiot? It's dissection, like clearly, and like I get
it. Maybe they're they're trying to like the strong arm like lawyer thing,
like trying to get them to say it in their own words, But it
was just such a funny moment because they're just like repeating, and the fucking
Ceeia guy just over zero, like finish the word, ape, finish the
word. It's like I think, I think, what good one liner from
her there, But that that was just such a humorous moment for me,
and even just that whole I guess argument of like trying to put them in
this like evil category of you were dissecting humans, but like they've already fucking
established that the humans were basically just dummies. Their their apes, they were
all type characters prove Yeah, but like fool me, shame on you,
fool me twice, shame on me. Right, that's the thing, because
they're good, they're gonna call these lies. That's but like and then from
the scient like the humans are so hypocritical in the moment because like they're probably
the bottomizing apes in those moments, or like just you know, like all
the terrible animals, animals in captivity, like just tests on animals, Like
that's the exact same thing. So like for me, it was just if
they had explained that the humans were in that stage and that's they were just
going about science in that aspect of like studying them, Like that's no different
than what was going on there. So I think for me it was just
a little bit frustrating of oh my god, this is so barbaric that you
would treat them in that way. It's like, dude, you've probably the
exact same thing going on, but don't you think like that. That's I
feel like that's still us today, you know, like we talked about,
that's where it's like, fortunately the movie is still like current and that's where
it's like to me that that's where it all fits for me, because like
all these movies that they do makes sense, like all they would do,
they would still do the same ship today, you know. That's what makes
it live on, Like it's like it's like a timeless concept and and just
that whole ideal, But it's more so just the the camp that the humans
were in. It's like I cannot believe help barbaric you'd be to splice and
like study humans, like, oh my god, that's so disgusting, Like
we do that about humans. You know, we just watched Poor Things last
night. There's people like doing it. I don't think anyone's doing that yet.
I don't think. I don't think Belle's condition that's happened yet. But
you never know. Science is a crazy thing to find new ways after a
war with Russia. Yeah, so I think the other thing you have to
take into too, is and because it's it's going retroactively backwards, well,
all animals have that level of intelligence to their degree. I think human beings
have that law of like sentience. I think it is the word I'm trying
to think of where and I think, yeah, exactly. And I think
when you hit that, when you hit that, then you be you enter
into a whole new level of like human law and classification as to what your
rights are and everything. And so I think that's where Okay, that's where
Zero and Cornelius have entered into this this regard. But then you also have
to think, and this sounds very negative because I don't believe when human experimentation
and like torturing of animals of any kind, I just think it's horrible.
But then in this state and then this film, you have humans that are
doing it to the animals because these animals haven't for them, haven't hit that
sentience kind of like tear yet. And so when you have retroactively apes coming
back, and it kerfuddles things because humans have achieved that sentience. But now
this is humanity's extinction that they're dealing with, and they're being expresmented on like
humans of today experiments on apes. Race is going to shit and these monkeys
are that's just what the race is going to be extinct. But then humans
have already achieved this level of sentience, but they're being bottomized and experimented on
as in the same way humans experiments on apes today. But apes have hit
that degree of sentience that humans classify have classify them at. So there's the
true separator, I guess, because the humans could be like, hey,
the first few weeks here, we're getting you new clothes, you're talking to
everybody we hear you. In your first few weeks, you bottomize one of
our astronauts, right, so like there is an argument they could make,
like you sound more savage than us, So right away the humans would be
on the back foot of like what the fuck and that's different because like they
I guess it. Really it does make it show that the apes government at
that point and then when they get to our human government, our human government
is more understanding than what the apes are at that current say, right,
because that was their idea to kill humans, bottomize them, like get rid
of them. We're are here, they were, let's going to talk and
everything, So that would be another wrinkle of human maybe being like, yeah,
yeah, we gotta kill these apes because they like they've bottomized one of
our people. The second they got like they took where we didn't do that
to them, right, They they would have done anything because the whole world's
love of them until the guy got that info about the war and the extinction
and stuff. So like we technically treated them better, but at the same
time, you know, it didn't just doesn't end well for the humans because
you don't get that reassurance either when they say like oh eight doesn't kill ape
and the humans like, well, how does it leave us? Like yeah,
Cornelis thought he like had the fucking full house and he said that,
well, we don't kill each other. It's just like yeah, then there's
only one person left to kill motherfucker. Like, but that's where also,
I think that's where I think in a good way. Them being scientists,
they kind of come off sometimes like they feel smarter than everyone else, and
I think that hurts them at times. And like I said, I'm saying
as a positive for the film, because they just don't have this self aware
to be like, yeah, don't mention the ape, don't kill eight thing,
like that's not that's not the win card here, Like that's not gonna
get you anywhere. They're like cool, and they were trying to say that.
It's like, oh we would we could never do what you do with
Wars, but it's like, yeah, but you could you do that with
the humans and stuff. So yeah, they do scratch a service on it,
but I kind of wish they went into further detail and just kind of
how their society was structured too, because like, although the humans were a
lot more open and receptive to like I guess the apes landing there and we
just have these self aware apes that are they come from like a fully fledged
society, but they don't ever explain that, like you know, in this
where they land, it's like a democracy, and it's like like there's a
lot more open, yeah, public dialogue apes whereas no, and like it
was almost like a dictatorship, right, Like it was very religious, tied
to their their the way that their government was ran with the orangutangs a very
like classist type society, you know, which I guess humans have had in
in their time. But like where we were where the Apes landed, it
is just a lot more open, and especially just when the news articles were
like getting aware of it, like people were just fascinated by it more so
than terrified than like where the Apes were so personally, like I wish they
just kind of dove a little bit deeper into comparing that, but you kind
of get a different outlook of the story, Like you don't really have I
guess the main bad doctor like try and debate Zira into just getting more information
on dissecting humans, and then that's kind of what leads them to go to
that secret military base. Let me ask you this, do you think we
get a different result in the first plant of the Apes if that ship lends
the water and Taylor and the other pilots all come out to the Apes on
the beach the same way that they just did this introduction as opposed to Taylor
and co being jumped and having their rags, and that's their introduction to the
apes. I think I don't think so because I think the problem is with
with society and the humans. Apes are still at zoos. They're looked at
as like animals and creatures, like not that you could like hang on pet,
but like there are things you could go again and everything, like there's
not slave apes, where in the apes they're taught to be scared, like
remember when Taylor enters that city, it's like fucking monsters inc with Boo,
Like some of the apes are fucking scared, like they're like running away from
So I think that's the problem is with the apes world. They've painted humans
out to be the Boogeyman, where in our world, apes are just another
animal among a bunch of different animals, right, So I think that's where
if they landed, they would have it still would have been fear. Maybe
there's a chance that if they land there's four of them, they all are
friendly, then maybe it goes a little different. Everyone knows right away,
But I still think the results probably not not good. Yeah, I don't
think it's positive. And again I think that ties to just how the society
is structured, because you have the people in charge, like the orangutans who
know about like the history of humans, right like that one forget his name,
doctor Zias or whatever whatever, Well only a few of them do remember.
It's like hush hush, but like still like someone at at the hierarchy
knows about this, they're kind of like suppressing I guess that information from their
people and just for control, I would imagine, whereas so I agree with
Travis. I think it would probably not go well. That'd be a fun
what if though, to see life what happens. And also too, like
i've never seen the show. I might check out the show go to work
from home after we've done this, just to see we're not gonna retro,
don't worry. But like in today's day and age, I've always said,
like, hey, don't remake Taylor going to plan the apes, like,
don't remake any of that. But I feel like this show or this movie,
like like the concept were talking about go deeper, this would be the
one that I wish they adapted into a show. One actually have been cheaper
for them because I could have put the apes like in a world, But
I feel like if you could have six to eight episodes, eight to ten
even of like exploring all the politics, Like I think there's actually some good
stuff there, you know, And I'm not sure if we'd ever get that
now, because I just I think in order to get that they'd have to
remake the original. I wouldn't, but I feel like there's lots of concept
that you could really stretch it out more than just an hour and a half,
you know, because it's like they're all these eras of great like areas
are great, especially today. So I hope if they were to do a
show, do it this, do like the reverse the apes lamb back here
and like what would we do, especially in like twenty twenty three, what
twenty four? What the fuck would happen? You know, Joshin Trudeau Donald
Trump meeting in twenty twenty sixties apeses fucking land down, Like what's going on?
You know? We got this war with Russia to deal with. They
wore Russia on the apes with us. They with Russia or that's that they
know. They landed with Peudin and he like uses them. Did you guys
find it weird because they kind of I feel like they wreck coond a little
of this because they asked more more about the history and Cornelius goes into depths
like oh, it says in the Sacred Sculls that there was the one ape
who said no, And I was like, well, didn't they not talk
about this like they do? You not hear me in my opening? Remember
you must have missed that I said that. No. No, yeah,
they definitely change the story of the apes and uprising they read. My head
canon is just that maybe they found out through MOREX like like looking into it
like in between movies. But yeah, they definitely changed the origins of humans
and apes. They didn't mention anything about their being dumb monkeys and like slaves
and everything. That's all new stuff. And the plague too that kills like
dogs and catsus, that's very very new. Yeah. So yeah, which
I like they use that in the new films, like with the ret Matt
Reeves and when they they bring that up. But yeah, they definitely did
some some retcond well Matt Reeves and uh, who's the other guy that did
it? Should always forget his name? No, no, no, Matt
Reeves didn't do all three of the new ones. He did the last two.
There's a there's Ruper Wyatt. Ruber Wyatt did the first one, and
they do do the plague in there they talk about because remember those headlines of
like there's a sickness going around or something, So I like that they use
it for the future, but they definitely changed it here. But I guess
I'm okay with it, especially because this one. I don't know if I
put in the trivia, but they had much more idea that they were going
to do a fourth one right away, so it wasn't so I feel like
they were like, well, let's wreck on some stuff so we can set
up the like monkeys being slaves and everything. So I'm like, I'm fine.
Like I said, I just had canon that after Taylor left Zero and
Cornelius like found some more stuff to go. Oh, they've been lying even
further, right, because the more you learn about the lie, you'd probably
be like, hey, there has to be more out there in the Forbidden
Zone, right, not talking about the fucking mutant people, like in general,
so like the subways. Like, so that's why I had canon that
they found more stuff to show. Oh, everything's a lie. That happened.
But it's definitely they're fudging the numbers in this movie a little bit.
In the origin my head canon, there's no mutant people. Yeah, that's
my head canon, my head like, really you don't because the plant just
blows up. You could, and I probably most in the few. You
can't just watch one and then just really go to this, you know,
like because they don't even talk about the fucking other astronaut. We've forgotten his
name. Do you still have the picture of him? Of course we do,
Kaperton, Yeah, yeah, that's why they sent him. They want
everyone to have that fucking size. Man. Look at those hands. Look
at Charlo's hands. Man, he the fuck when he's spanking ladies. Yeah,
oh yeah, two cheeks with one clap, Kilanova. I'll bring me
to your monkey, right the god. What do we want to talk about
next? Talk about the doctor, which I kind of like that he which
one, the doctor, the one, the mean diet doctor. Yeah.
I can't remember his name. He Yeah, he has some fucking name.
I'm like, I don't know what that is. But I kind of like
too that he was like the bad guy, but it wasn't like an immediate
like he wasn't like a comic book bad guy where oh, we know he's
bad. It's like he seems suspicious, and I like, for assault twenty
minutes the movie, it just seems like he's with the apes and then he
just busts out that recorder, like, oh fuck, he's not with us.
But I like that they shrouded his motivation. It wasn't just I'm gonna
get those fucking apes. Whatever happens, you know, Like it was like,
Okay, he's been convinced and he's with us, and then it's like,
oh shit, now he's working behind the scenes. And again it's not
like he had suspicions and he wasn't wrong. His suspicions were these apes aren't
telling us everything, and they weren't telling them everything. Right now, I'm
not saying they had to jump to what they did to but he'd caught like
some sort of bullshit and probably you know that the Kirkulan's favorite dissect line was
definitely something that was So that's what I liked again where he's not the greatest,
but I like that he wasn't maybe mustache totally, which they they could
have done in my opinion right away like they gave him some motivation to be
because I don't know your your race is going to be destroyed. So yeah,
for sure, I feel like it gets to the point that it feels
kind of totally mustag hear the end, I think, sure, when he's
around the boat with a gun everything, it's a little too far, he's
like on his own, like yeah, or spy type situation, and like,
yeah, like that was a little that little I can agree on that.
Yeah, it did work for the most part. That he seemed like
just the one that you kind of put it upon himself that like he has
to be the last of the defense. Because even when he is calling uh,
the president or something to like get an update on something, and the
President's he kind of like pushes back against him. He's like, no,
this isn't this is an order that you have to do this, and he
kind of goes around I'm totally gonna butcher the line if I paraphrase. And
it's also in line with that two win they which another thing Cornelia is just
fucking like to me lies. But so they have that moment where they the
guy at the end they want to get zero whatever docked out, so they
can do the just the abortion pretty much, just plain simple, right,
and the Cornella stuffs that out. He accidentally kills the handler guy, and
so that doctor says they want to shoot him on site, and then the
presiden gos nos, like, we gotta yeah, we have to prove it's
innocent until proven guilty. Pretty much right, he's an experiment, like he's
explaining, like it doesn't matter. There's a code of context here we have
to follow. I did not appreciate later on where for quote, Cornelius said,
uh, I'm not responsible for his death. Yeah, you still were,
because at first, when they bump into the human doctors, he goes,
I didn't mean to kill him. He was just like he said,
he was teasing zero, which again I was like, weird way to explain
it, but fine, oh yeah yeah. But then so he goes from
I didn't mean to to twin minutes later he said that line of I'm not
responsible for his death, even it's an accent cornehos, you still fucking killed
the dude. So I love, like, I wish they kind of didn't
do that in the movie, like they're trying to explain like oh, like
they're framing him for killing the humans, like he's still killed the fucking human
and Cornelis is slowly like, oh yeah, but did I though like he
was waving, I wanted like a more like more weight to like I don't
have an issue with him killing him if they find out that, like,
yeah, they're trying to kill your baby, and like this is gonna happen
absolutely, and then he's like, hey, we gotta get the fuck out
of here. Let's let's kill this you know, like you know, if
it's life or death if we don't kill this guy, yeah, exactly.
It was. It was like he literally just wrote it off that he was
teasing zero and then that just forced him to smash him and then yeah,
we we're gonna sneak out of here. Like that was a little eye really
there, and it seemed kind of out of care evenfore Cornelius like, I
get it if it is a life or death situation, but it wasn't at
that point yet. And it's not like he showed like a tendency for like
aggression or anything in the other films, Like it seems pretty passive actually,
and the handler wasn't forcing himself either. He didn't have like a needle coming
at them. He was just still trying to talk him into it. So
I agree with you where it's like you do that just make the like we
were talking about with mad Max right where it's like we have some issues,
but the suspense of what happens at you needed some of that there for me
to buy Cornelius just taking the dude out, And again he didn't seem to
really care either. It's like, well fuck whatever he had. No,
he didn't have much sympathy later on, which I get it because they were
trying to take him and Zero no tailor. Yeah, terrible hiding spot.
They're literally just hiding like five feet from the goal. Yeah, like I
can't remember the human doctor. The lady, you know, very very good
looking lady. Yes, Stev, Like she's got she got it going on.
She like talks to the guards like okay, if you see anything last
time, I'll go back to their base and said it is like it's like
get back there, fuck, And he's just like Zero's over there resting.
It's like what the fuck? Like how far did you guys get? Like
and I get it because they're trying to like try to intercept the doctors.
But just was like the timing it all just felt so funny, like you
guys did not serve these grounds at all. Guards like they're fucking right there.
But you know, Chius his life, his life. Yeah. Do
you have any other specific notes or questions that bring up right now? I'm
looking through mind right now. I really actually liked the opening of just like
the ship and the water and then all the military people going there, and
then you just have they like open up the hatch and then like the three
space individuals pop out. I guess I just forgot that it could have been
apes. I don't know what the hell was going on in my head there,
but when they popped up, it was like Taylor fucking Taylor. Yeah,
Taylor and the homies are better by the new explosion. It's him.
The other guy had no I think. I was literally just still trying to
like get my wrap my head around the fact that like this is Earth in
the seventies. Yeah, and like what was going on, Like I really
just I don't know, didn't put two and two together. So it is
just a cool little reaction though from the humans there, I guess. And
they popped the helmets off and I did really like that. The apes didn't
say anything for a little bit there, and then of course they put them
in the zoo. And I mean, this is like the exact same thing
that was going on in the in the first film too, because they have
a zoo for humans that they that were calling it. So it was just
a good opening overall. Look, the beach looked very similar to the statue
Liberty Beach. Apparently that's like a well used beach from other films too.
Really, I don't know if it is the same beach as this ape.
I couldn't figure it out. But yeah, only one beach in Hollywood,
baby, that's the one. Yeah, and I guess we should talk about
too where we talked about a bit overall. But yeah, man, what
a what a dark ending because they go to they decide that okay, this
is old no longer good, not a good situation. What why was the
bad doctor like hiding from the cops when like do I miss something there?
Because he he's hunting down Zira and Cornelius on his own and then like the
helicopter arrives and the police arrive and he's like hiding on the ship and he's
like it, like did you guys catch the cops like on Team Ape at
this point, no near the end of the film, because they's still they
are they could have murdered a guy. They're like, they'd be up for
trial, so they're a suspect. That's what they would be. I think
because the President told him like, don't be out like he the President said,
will handle us, and the Doctor's like, fuck that, I'm gonna
do it myself. So I think there would have been some sort of I
think that's why they also killed that character off, but which I did not
know because he looked so young. This guy that played doctor Otto Haas and
Eric Brain, he's been a part of which one is it soap opera that
my mom has watched for decades, Young and the Restless. He plays Victor
Newman. He's like, well of the more ninety three episodes, Yeah,
Victor Newman, Yeah, nineteen eighty two, that's twe Yeah, he's like
the guy in Young the Wrestless. I did not even put two and two
together. Good looking guy was back. He's always been a good looking guy.
But like, that's crazy that that was him. I didn't even think
about it. But then when I saw his Creds, like, fucking yeah
he was. He's fucking Newman. You even know who Newman is? I'm
surprised. Oh yeah, my mom is big on and the Restless, The
Restless Man. Yeah, I can't believe that episode count four thousand and ninety
three episodes from eighty to twenty twenty four. You do guys think that they
do five it's daily soap operas, remember what a what a yeah business?
Because I took my time a couple of years ago when Franco of course Chance
Frankle went to General Hospital. I was a big Franco fan, so I
watched it and that got me hope for General Hospital for a while. And
yeah, it was It's a tough thing to keep up watching because yeah,
it's five days a week, and but usually what happen is you could figure
out that you really just have to watch the Monday and Friday episode because those
are the cliffhanger and the answers, and the weekdays is kind of like mostly
filler, but the Friday and Monday episodes that way, Yeah, but they
were banger episodes, especially the Friday Cliffhanger's like fuck you go way to Monday?
Who why does Steven Venetia. What happened to him? Fuck Man Kirkland.
You know Coronation Street? Have you heard of that one? Oh yeah,
that one's got eleven seven my grand that was in those retros. But
if anyone we'd have to make them out and anyone gives us like ten thousand.
If some big company buys US thousand dollars budget for our movie, well
yeah, maybe due a season. Like my grandma was always spanning Coronation Street
all the time. It's like whenever I came over, just always on.
But so yeah, their plan is okay, they've gone to the suit.
They meet fucking Ricardo monta Alibon and obviously say his name was just like Manta
Montalbon. What a badass. I love that character. I feel like I
was waiting for like the villain turn just because he seemed a little bit sus
but like he is so like genuinely on the side of the yes, and
he just was so charismatic when he was talking to his other circus people.
I feel like I just see circuses in a dark lens that I was expecting
something dark to come of it, but he was just so loyal. Murcar
Montabon I fucking love this guy. He was the original Connie's Fantasy Island.
He just has such a fucking this man, I guarantee you fucked thousands of
women. Oh this guy's charisma, like it's just there, like and it's
always he always has this in all these projects. He just has like just
this gen sick while he's fucking so good. And I'm excited because he comes
back in the next one. So it's like a good like it's really fun.
I'm pretty maybe i'm speaking out my ass. I'm pretty sure he's in
Conquest. I thought he was, but as I'm getting kirkl and excited,
it's just been a while. Hang on, I'll pull up. But Conquest,
okay, good, Yeah, because I think it's their son grown up.
But yeah, So the ideas they're gonna go to the zoo. They're
gonna take the monkey because the monkey, the baby monkey, is not talking
yet. So it's like, well, we can stash it there, but
he can't stash you guys. So they're gonna hire this boat for like a
couple of days. Like I said, fucking Cornelius has to take a leak.
But man, he's just taking the wrong path in that boat. Uh,
fucking Victor Newman sees him big shootout. He shoots Zero first and then
Cornelia shoots him. Cornelia is great fucking shot man, like he's from the
Like he doesn't shot a gum, but he got that. And then uh,
the Victor before he died shot the baby like three times. And then
fucking it's like even though it's a dummy ape, it's just really dark when
like Zero just takes the ape and throws it off the boat and you see
that, like it's a fuck. It's probably the darkest thing that's happened so
far in this trilogy. It's just like it's dark and it's just fucking super
depressing. And again also that one Grilla just lost her baby, had no
say in the matter. And then so they're dead. Uh, the doctor's
dead. But then they show the baby at the end already saying mama.
They have a weird clip of just showing the clip over and over again,
like I'm not sure if you know that when it says mama, they just
just put on a by repeat because he's like, mama, mom. I
was watching Barbarian for a second. Yeah, yeah, so and yeah that's
uh. Ricardo is going to take the baby. Speaking of Ricardo, I
had to pull up his v He's done so much in his day, iconically
the grandfather from Spi Kids three R fuck, I forgot it sound like a
lot of animated voice too, Like he was like Kim Possible is one of
those like just a bunch of random Disney parians. This guy is a legend.
I can't believe he was the grandfather though from Spike Kids two and three.
That's funny, But yeah, what do you guys think about this kiss
ending? It was very chaotic and I was waiting for like the reveal of
like even when he shoots the baby, like like I had already said,
like I just expected to be like a like a dummy or something, or
like a bag of flower Like it just seemed way too dark, especially when
he unloaded like three shots yeah, and then it goes yeah, and then
it ghost when it leads up to it. That was It was just so
funny because he's like he's facing down zero, like like just right at gunpoint,
she's holding the baby, and he's like, if you turn around,
I'm gonna shoot you, and she just like turns around and he just fucking
does what he says. He shoots right in the back, especially thought she
could outrun him. I guess she's like, oh, yeah, shoot me,
and then she just turns around and gets shot. And then uh yeah,
when their perspective, they just think because he's a doctor as well,
that they maybe wouldn't do that. So she was calling his bluff. But
this guy, he will do it. God. The gunfight was kind of
like dated. I guess it seemed corny. It seemed like even when Cornelia
just gets shot, I like didn't even realize that he got shot because he's
just like then that just gets stiff and then kind of falls over. But
yeah, it was very dark ending. I I feel like I was just
not really loving it because I was expecting something to happen and it didn't.
And what I what I didn't expect to happen that did happen. Wasn't that
satisfying. It's not like the bad guy kind of got what was coming to
him. He's just dead. We see just a floating baby gorilla in the
water. It's very depressing. And yeah, it was just kind of confusing
because, like I already said, I wasn't sure why Buddy was hiding from
the cops and then there's like the army people that are shooting at the apes,
Like I don't even know who killed Cornelius because there's like army guys as
well as police officer, and it seemed like they're kind of counter like.
It was just kind of clunky in my opinion for an ending. I really
really love the set piece though, like that ship and just the overall pier.
I guess that they're at like, man, if only we have one
of those in Colonna, we could shoot some sweet films and in those types
of settings. Rella you're ready again in trouble, We're gonna go find a
boat. We're gonna be sneaking on that the whole time. You're like,
fuck, guys are on this boat. I might know where one is?
Perfect there there was I thought about the one time we were trying to Bear
Creek or yeah, I think it's very creek. The camp set up there
right west side, there's around there. Have you ever seen like a house
boat that's always just anchored out there. I'm like, I'm like, there's
not always there. I'm like, you know, of course we'd never do
such a thing, but it's like sometime but yeah, to make sure we'll
talk to him. We work a boat into one of our next projects,
and I'd be down to go on a boat. So well that, and
then I feel like there isn't there still. I don't know if they took
it down, but wasn't there somewhere, and like all the way from here
penticting like some abandoned like mental home or something like that, Like there was
said, I'm good. Could be a good set though, Klan. You
know, I read that there's like an abandoned like ferry boat on the west
coast somewhere when the moon is full. Yeah, let's find it. Tearr
thoughts on the ending. Yeah, it's not it's not perfect. It definitely
just steers down the direction of like, hey, we're gonna we're setting something
up peer overall, but it definitely comes to like a proper closure, not
a proper closure. It comes to a closure of just this arc of Cornelius
and Zerra, just their story here. And it doesn't feel great, Like
you don't feel very satisfied after getting to this ending. And for me,
I feel like most of this film I really was driving with I really liked
it. But yeah, just the way that ends here. If we didn't
get a follow up to this movie, it would have really really brought my
overall down for this film. But because it continues on that narrative and this
sets up like the next two films to a degree, mostly just the next
one. Yeah, yeah, it does, so I definitely would say that
I would put the ending a little bit higher in that regard, even though
it was a little bit messy and it was a little bit rushed. I
feel like, just to tackle this kind of a story, it could have
been like two films, just the setup. Like, but again, I'm
okay with the fact that they ended up with the baby that's it, and
it just it creates an interesting narrative with his babies just in hiding. But
we'll get into that in the next the next film. So I have my
notes. I wonder what that fucking because they use a real baby chimpanzee.
I wonder what the fuck that chimpanzee was thinking when it's being held by actors
that like had this monkey makeup, but they're not monkeys, Like I just
like, what was the psychology of this ape after? They must have been
fucked up, I feel. But the other thing I have to be in
a lot of movies to that. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So I
forgot to mention too that the reason they have a gun is not even to
fight back. Cornelis just asked for a gun that so if we have the
chance, so we can kill ourselves. That's like their whole their method was
not because I don't think Cornelis was doing a fight back. I think he
just shot the doctor because he killed zero, so like at a rage he
did it. But like their go to plan was if they get found,
they're just gonna kill himself. On the baby, it was like, fuck,
man, this is like dark shit here for this movie, and Cornelos
just said like a matter of a fact, and then the Doctor's like I
thought you might ask that, like and then he just had a gun with
him. I was like, that's what you thought anybody? Yea, I
thought you might kill yourself. It's just odd. But uh the fun line
too, and she's like you're the only second person of kiss, and Cornelius
just walks over like and you're the first. Like some some fun back and
forth there. So I like those characters. Are not much to say on
them, but I like them as just like the general good guys. I
don't think in the same way plann Ames. I don't like them as much
as Zero and Cornelis. I don't think they had as much personality as them.
But you know, they worked so and like I said, it was
kind of funny that they like they had to have like a male and female
doctor. So you know Cornelius and Zero where they weren't, I guess they
were smooching. Actually that was a hilarious moment. And then like, you'll
be the second human I laid my lips on and then fucking Cornelius has been
eyeball and Zero all movie. Oh yeah, you'll be the first grabs her
ass. No it didn't happen. Oh and then the last time I had
was uh, fucked that girl there in the cage with and a couple of
other monkeys here were looking rough. And the people in the costumes when they
weren't the bankup ones, Like it's tough because like, yeah, you can't
get a real monkey, and then you can't also have them have makeup because
it just look different. But like that one that kills Milo, like this
is fucking party city costume here, but they have them. He's the date
and he's fine and he has killed their friend. Like fuck man, Oh
geez, yeah, what a way to go. You're just hanging out.
I'm just as grilled gets you. But yeah, all right, well excuse
me. Uh the villain the films villain, Doctor Henson Is actually briefly mentioned
the beginning of Planet Apes and Beneath the Planet Apes, so I didn't know,
but I guess they'd name dropped him in the other films before, so
must have been like the other astronaut. So that's cool. Uh yeah.
With Beneath of the Planet Apes doing so well, the box office producer Arthur
P. Jacobs sent a telegram to the writer of Paul Then four months after
the film's released, simply said Apes exist. Sequel required. So again we
talked about it. Where this was where Fox was having some struggles. Obviously
they had strougles there and I bought out, but that's why they did this
and then and there was more of a plan to have like you know,
we're probably gonna do a just because they were banking on stuff that was making
the money. Right. So one of the earliest scripts has the three Apo
Knots viewing the dying Earth from their space capsule before going back in time.
This scene was actually shot but not completed. No FX are on it,
So there's a scene of them on the ship watching Earth Exwoman but no FX
at Also is just the you think there's like another monkey in the in the
ship just dead because their life support system died. Like yeah, I like
to use the term like apa knot, but like like really like what's astro
not Like it's not really a human like dictation from that day, Like it's
just astro nautical explorer. But I mean, you got it's fun play on
word. I already explained about the porga. Yes, sal Manoa, that
was the guy that unfortunately was murdered on age three seven, nineteen seventy six.
So shut up to Milo. Yeah that sucks man. Uh, Zero's
first sucks man. You listen to this? Yeah, and that just that
just does It's just a bummer, you know. It's like that would be
big. That's telling me like, hey, you got seven years left,
like get ready. It's like fuck man like so that stuff to do.
Zero's first line and the President of Humans because I loathed bananas is a reference
to Kim Hunter's real estates for the fruit, which originated from filming plant the
apes. The actors portraying the eggs were required to keep their makeup on during
breaks in order to save time, so the rest of the crew often called
the monkeys and offered them bananas to mock them. So that was inspiration that
she just fucking hates bananas. What a toxic working environment. Look at the
fucking monkeys, little banana. Yeah, as they're making like fucking fiftieth of
the wage of the main actressism, I'm sure, yeah, people. And
then for the deaf scene, Qunias and Zero were originally going to be ripped
apart by a pack of Dolrman dogs. That's that glad they didn't go that
route the feared dog from that decade led by doctor Hayston. But the producers
saw this scene would be too gruesome, so they would kill my gun Johnson
stuf. I think that was the right call because it's already dark enough ending
it just like Cornelism's here just getting fucking ripped apart by dogs. And I
would assume the baby as well, because the baby had to die, right,
So it's just like fucked man. I mean that dog's too. The
same thing they noticed all these walking monkeys just a bad situation overall. So
I think clunkiness. I think the gunshot was the way to go. And
I also like cornelis getting to kill on Hasten like it's like a good like
I don't know some cup oppings for that character. So yeah, final thoughts
suckle first. Uh, Like I said, really enjoy this movie. There's
some concepts in here that are really pushing the envelope. There's some things,
like I said, maybe this one could have been this hour half could have
I could have seen the stretching out to two hours, and you hit some
other things, but overall really good. I'm excited to see when we get
to Kingdom and we do our rankings because they don't know where it would be,
because I got a couple other ones that there's some really good films coming
up. But yeah, I'm gonna give this one an eight out of ten.
It's I always remember as a high spot because I feel always out in
the first one. There's nothing good and I go, no, like Conquest
is really good. Escapes I always said like was pretty good, but really
when they talk about like how much the actual they dive into the dynamics of
the apes and the future and the war and the humans, like there's they
do it more than I remember. I remember that. I just remember as
they land on Earth and humans want to kill them, but there was much
more thought given to it. So I'm gonna go in eight at ten,
mister Patzer, right on, Yeah, I'm gonna go seven and a half
on this one. I think the inning was a little bit clunky for me,
and I I don't know, maybe, like maybe on another viewing too,
I might be a little bit more positive, just because I kind of
know how it went. But I really like just the overall interactions amongst the
apes and humans in this and of course the parallel paralleling of the first film.
There's just some, in my opinion, some mustache tochirliness with our main
villain and that dissect line, like it just seemed like they're beating the dead
fish over with that one, and the effect that they were trying to get
from the viewer is not how I took it at all. I found it
pretty funny, and I just a little bit more I think from them,
I don't know, I guess defending themselves for their scientific ways. Back on
the Ape plan versus the human Land. So for me, that didn't sit
too well. But I definitely a nice step up from that last film.
It definitely feels like a nice successor to the first film and just like growing
upon it. Like especially that we have these same characters from that original I
guess this is goodbye to all of the original cast members I would imagine going
forward. Hey, like no, oh no, Ronny mcdehell comes back to
play the baby ape. Oh wow, that's interesting. I do like him
in the role, so how that performance will go? Yeah, he comes
back in the next too, he's the same apes. Conquest is the next
one, right, Conquests. Yeah, and then we have Battle but yeah,
so he's back for both. She's not Kim Hunter, but yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go in eight out of
ten. I really really do like this. I like how we get things
kind of switched around and switched over between the storyline, even though it is
that parallel change of perspective from that first film. And I really like how
it it brings in the time travel some more and it just changes things up,
and I think that they are able to explore more than what you think
that they could tackle. Already. I mean, it's a very it's a
very like straightforward narrative, i'd say, with when you're dealing with the racism
and what they're trying to portray in this in that first Apes film. But
they do such a good job at building up more and more from this this
narrative and expanding on it and going further into humans act and further into how
the Apes act, and just you have to remember that the Apes are just
a reflection of certain very negative things that the humanity is, and they explore
that even more in the next Apes trilogy. So I like that they touch
upon that here and it's just it's it's just a wacky time. They tackle
some really cool things and just to see like our characters that we're familar with
and this change of setting is just super wild. And so I definitely like
to revisit this one, uh, every so often. So it's definitely one
of my more favorite ones of this this whole arc of five films for this
this series. But yeah, eight out of ten is where I'm gonna go
with it. There we go. Well, like you said, we'll be
back very soon with Conquest. How is it for Planet Apes or Plan what
is it actually? What is the title quest for the Planet of the Apes.
I'd be for the plan Let's see Rony mcdell. Let's click on it
here, because I don't think they got the problem. Conquest of the planet
Apes. Oh no, so they're doing the of that. They started the
conquest of the Plan of the Apes. I don't really like that language,
like four your conquesting four the Yeah, I don't know, conquest of the
planet Kingdom four plan the Plan Ape. I'm gonna think about that now for
the rest of the day to be better. Well, we'll be back to
talk about conquest very soon. Thank you very much for tuning in, and
we're here from us next it will not be boring. Bye h