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It must be the Christian in me. I forget who it was, but
somebody said, uh oh, I think it was Brazinski. I think he
said all Americans are like part Christian and part I forget something else, but
he said, basically, we can't help it, like due to our culture,
we've been Christianized, just due to you know, being born and raised
here. So I guess it is a Christian nation after all, according to
Brazinski. I guess all of you screaming at the top of your lungs that
this is a Christian nation. You're right, and this big new Brazinski agreed
with you. So there's a little feather in your cap you can carry.
I bet you'll love that. I bet that's something you really enjoy. Boy,
I've had a lot of thoughts bouncing through my head all the time.
This week, I've had a lot of good ones. I was going all
over the place thinking of esoteric things. I don't think i'll get into too
much occult or esoteric topics tonight, although they are important. I do love
them. There's something that don't get their due diligence or oftentimes when people speak
to them, which seems to me to be less often these days than it
was a few years back, but still when they do, most folks tend
to make a total mess of it. I'm not saying that I haven't made
a mess of things at all myself, but I like to think I do
a little better than average at least, which is not saying much. But
yeah, usually it's just, oh, let's talk about the occult, okay,
cool. The elite that run the world and our country worship Satan and
they do Satanic rituals. So I know all about the accult. Let me
tell you more about that. It doesn't really go a lot further than that.
And you know, it's idiotic and it's a waste of time, and
it's exciting, it's fun, and it can be a good thing for whatever
online message boards are out there these days, you know, the four chan,
eight chan, fifty six chan, one thousand, eight hundred and seventy
two chan, whatever they are. I'd when I remember first hearing about four
chan, I'm like, what in the world is four chan. It's the
most ridiculous sounding name I've heard in my life. And you know, the
more I learned about it, the more I hated it. I hated it
from the first utterance of its name, and it's just got worse from there.
So and so it is. We're online and we're doing our own research.
We're really we've come a long way. We've come this far. We're
not stopping now because we're almost there. We're almost towards the truth. I
can feel it, I can taste it. It's just around the corner.
Just like Ponce de Leone knew that he was going to find the Fountain of
Youth, he just had to go a little further. It's gonna be kind
of like Klaus Kinski and Gary the Wrath of God. He's like, this
is a little tough, but let's just keep pushing here and let's see what
happens. Yeah, Actually, I was thinking a bit. Well before we
go there, I think it's important we deal with the big news hitting the
social media channels now, and that would be that our friend and journalist extraordinaire
Tucker Carlson got the interview of a lifetime. He interviewed none other than Vladimir
Putin just this past week, and boy, I have not seen the entire
interview. I don't think I'm going to subject myself to it. It would
probably be useful to watch, I have to say, in some respect,
but I also think it might be best not just to I've seen clips,
and the clips, frankly, some of them are quite hilarious. But then
it's just, honestly, it's more of the same thing. And what do
you mean by that, well, dear listener, it's just more of I
don't know if you've noticed a pattern, but I have. It seems like
these media folks of the right wing persuasion, especially those that have either started
in the alternative more fringe aspects, more radical sometimes aspects of right wing thinking,
thought, political ideas, research activity, ones who started there or ones
who over their career meandered their way there. Like our buddy Tucker, he
sure didn't start there. But man, he is the darling of of anti
mainstream whatever audience, the audience who believes that they are in opposition to the
mainstream. Tucker is quite the darling of theirs these days. The guy who
years ago would just rail on how nine to eleven conspiracy theories were like some
sort of mind virus and dangerous and it's gonna take out the country. Now
now he's just he's the freethinker and alternative thinker's best friend these days. Yeah,
wild stuff, Aaron, A couple of quick questions, because I have
supporting articles if you'd like, related to and breaking down not only the run
up to but the conversation and analysis of the conversation with the Putin interview,
which is, you know, earth shattering to some people. But also wanted
to ask you just quickly if you realize that Fox News itself now Tucker has
been on MSNBC and all these other places. CNBC maybe I have one of
my NBC's mixed up, but either way, more of a liberal outlet.
He's been there before. I think he was on CNN at one point as
a regular contributor of some kind. Anyway, maybe my memory's fuzzy on this
but I do know he landed at Fox, and when he landed at Fox,
and when he was prominent at Fox up until recent years in the Donald
Trump era, you could often catch Fox identifying themselves as something other than the
mainstream media. Now, he clearly was on a right wing media outlet,
being on Fox, and when he goes over to the you know, I'm
just gonna do my show on x Twitter, when he goes and does that,
and now he has a whole thing. You know, Tucker Carlson has
a website now which is now, I'm an independent podcaster. Yeah, independent.
Anyway, The thing is that he always was part of a group that
said, we're not part of the mainstream. The mainstream to them, of
course, is the liberal media. And that's all there was was liberal media.
Okay, not gonna get into that argument, but I'm just saying Fox
used to identify themselves as, guess what, the outsider anything but the MSM,
the mainstream media. What's fascinating to me is that now that the rest
of the world accepted that Fox is, you know, part of that game
one way or another. All Right, They're not part of the liberal media,
but definitely part of the corporate media definitely part of the mainstream media,
he gets booted from and instantaneously becomes a hero. To guess who the alleged
outsiders once again, who are not calling themselves right wing media Aaron currently,
but believe themselves to be the natural successor to what we used to call alternative
media or independent media. Right So it's fascinating to hear even guys I know
Donald Jeffries, who when I was producing him, Tucker had not made his
transition yet, but afterwards he was, and others in that universe of people
that are in the freedom free speech, you know, calling themselves alternative media.
And I'm not criticizing Donald. I didn't pick him out directly. It's
just that he was the first one that I took serious notice of, and
then a whole bunch of the other ones basically saying, look at Tucker getting
fired by the corporate media. He's with us because he made some statements nine
to eleven truth maybe is not so crazy, et cetera, etc. What
I find fascinating is that it's totally full circle in the snake eating its own
tail, because now the people that said were outside of the mainstream and also
got sold on Russia. Today's a legitimate independent outlet of truth, and Russians
tell more truth. And we're on the side of Russia regarding the Ukraine War,
but really we're on the side of peace and really and blah blah blah
and all that. Those people have now coalesced to support Tucker as guess what,
a champion of free speech and an outsider despite the fact that he has
you know, he's definitely got a what do they call those, like a
trust fund. He always has a high paying job. No matter what happens
with his alleged firings or anything else, he always lands on his feet,
plenty of money, plenty of places to go, and even Elon Musk go
pick him up and put him in a position of prominence while he's trying to
rebrand, recreate ex Twitter. Tucker is the definition of being in a privileged
position all the time when his media stuff goes sideways right, but somehow is
simultaneously the hero of the independent and a whole bunch of these guys who think
they're independent, think they're alternative, but really have become pseudo new wave right
wing media. So I find it interesting, Now, would you like the
supporting articles to be dropped. I can just drop them in the chat for
people to read on their own or if you'd like them, because I got
a whole bunch of stuff here, you know, from Tucker's website, from
The Guardian. I've got a YouTube clip Tucker Carlson dot com as a reference
and Politico analyzing it at the end of it all. Again, not exactly
alternative sites or anything, but I think it definitely gives you a portrait of
what occurred there, just in this recent fray into the alleged alternative media that
he's presenting as an alternative to the regular corporate stuff. And you know his
outsider woo. I mean literally the one blog and a couple of them stated
something similar to this, and I love this headline. I'll end it with
this is Oh let me just click on it and read directly from it.
Excuse me, because I want to make sure I get this straight, because
it absolutely encapsualizes the sentimentality of a whole bunch of these people on substack and
doing their own Twitter spaces, clearly with not the same you know, prominence
and exposure that Tucker gets, but those independent people who have five listeners and
all that out there. I love this because here was the run up.
Could Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin save the World? Question? I'm not kidding.
That's the real headline from this site, which is called Stopworld Control dot
com, which is literally one of those anti New World order right alternative info.
And I'm not even downing. These guys are an example, a good
example, a solid looking you know, they actually have a cool, slick
looking website and all that plus their substack and all their little independent media stuff
running very nicely. It's well done, it's well packaged, and I believe
they're actually honest brokers of what they think is real. But stop the World,
Stop World Control the headline, could Tucker's interview with Putins save the World?
Literally, that is the headline. So I leave it to you,
my friend, and give you all that to wrestle with. And I've also
dropped those links in the live chatroom at o'chelly dot com. But if you
would like them in your personal chat so you can reference them, they're all
yours. And with that, I will shut up and let your train of
thought continue on down the tracks, because I believe I have punched your ticket
Okay, thank you, Chucky. I go ahead and drop those articles at
the o'celly chat. I might look at them later. I'm not going to
read from them or even look at them now that I'm doing the show,
but I'm sure they're good. I'm sure they're worthwhile. Yeah, I mean,
right now, I'm not gonna get into any specifics on this. I
just want to do like this general kind of thing where it's as I was
saying, I mean, this is more of the same, and you know
this, Chuck is just purplegized. Look, I apologize for focusing on it
for a full couple of minutes there, but I felt you almost squirming over
it. So I wanted to give you as much production back up as I
could, and I didn't want to do it through text, so I did
it this way. No, No, that's good. Yeah, there's a
lot more to this than I'm going to be able to say right now,
which is fine, and I honestly, I every everybody is all worried about
propaganda, and they think that they have the answer, and then they think
that listening to propaganda is the answer to to the ill effects of propaganda.
It's like, oh, we're railing against the mainstream propaganda. This is this
is the way to do it. By this listening to Tucker Carlson, I
mean, and I think obviously and probably most people listening to this show no
better. But yeah, I don't know. It's just like, what are
you doing? And if you haven't noticed, there seems to be I mean,
I've noticed the trend in again, these characters like Tucker, they've made
their way into the counter cultural. We're fighting against the mainstream for the media
that are that's fighting for freedom and justice and to change the world and to
give the truth to the American people because it's been withheld so long. How
do you get to the truth? Well by talking to the villain character,
which is Vladimir Putin. The mainstream media hates him so much so that means
he must be great, right, But I mean, beyond this, I
would challenge anybody to go out and just look at various reactions to this,
and it's it's always the same and this is always the same thing, and
it's this event epitomizes this. Just go look at any right wing media outlet,
And again, I don't know if you're hopefully you're able to know what
those are, but anybody either that is a right wing media outlet or somebody
who's as Chuck saying, not saying that, not not out and out saying
that they are right wing, but pretending to be fighting for truth, justice
and all that. As Chuck described before, like you know, we're not
right wing, we're this, okay, whatever. Look at any of them,
and I will bet you more than nine times out of ten they say
something generally like this, like Oh, it's great that Tucker is doing this.
They also like to say, oh, look at either they're looking at
Tucker and saying how he is such a brave person that we need to uphold
and he's doing so much to fight for the truth, something to that effect,
and like, oh, no other journalist would dare do this because they
don't want to, they don't want the truth. Blah blah blah. They'll
say something to that effect where they're fawning over Tuck, or they will focus
more on Pudin And it's always the same damn thing there too. They always
fond over Putin. They're like, oh, what a strong leader, and
they love to compare them to Biden or fill In the other left wing prominent
politician a former President Clinton or any politician that epitomizes like mainstream left wing American
politics. They'll put them up there and be like, oh, we should
if only they were more like putin, this country would finally have good,
strong leadership. It's something that's a paraphrase, but I've seen it a billion
times. I've seen it for this you better believe it. It happens all
the time. If it's somebody working at some media outlet that is i'm sorry,
right wing, that's what they're saying. And I don't know. It's
uh, isn't that funny how that works out? It's just always like that,
and nobody is ever suspicious of this. Nobody ever goes oh, boy,
Like nobody who is part of the audience for these people ever goes hey,
you know what, like, uh No, it just keeps going like
this thing keeps working. It's ridiculous. Uh, But it's a pattern.
It's something to see. And I don't know, it's just they're they're always
saying how great Pudin it is and how strong he is, and boy,
we should have leadership like this in our country. And I don't know for
all those people saying that I guess be careful what you wish for. Maybe
I hope you enjoy things when we get to that point, because it's possible
that we could have a leader like that at some point, and I hope
that you really pat yourself on the back if that happens. Now, I'm
not here to say that we live in a perfect country that has never done
anything wrong, and that we're not hiding anything, we're not obtuscating anything historical
present day, that there's not corruption here. However, if you're holding up
Putin as some kind of hero, I mean, you're out of your damn
mind. I'm sorry, it's crazy. I did see a clip where Tucker
was he was doing this thing where obviously he was well he was. He
was bringing up China. Is trying to say, get Putin to say something
bad about China's like, oh yeah, China is dangerous because that's part of
the new for this clan too. It's like Russia and Pudin are okay,
and they're cool, and Putin's a tough guy, and I wish we had
a tough guy as our ruler. That's great, and like the hell with
Ukraine, you know that sort of thing. But China is the epitome of
all evil that we need to go. We should just go start up a
war with them now, because if we don't, they will. That's sort
of business. So Russia is somehow good, China is evil. And so
Tucker brought this up, and it was funny because put It's like, well,
actually, China is they've done nothing wrong, they're peaceful and blah blah,
blah blah. And he was just saying the same thing that any sort
of Chinese government official release to anything that the US has to say that is
alleging any wrongdoing of China. Anytime the US alleges anything of China, it's
the same toward China's like, there's no absolutely no basis in truth for this
accusation. What's It's the same thing as they just always do that. And
essentially Putin said that on China's behalf because of their buddies. They're friends,
They're they're as friendly as they need to be. They're definitely they have a
business relationship relationship going on. It probably doesn't matter to the to the people
who think Tucker Carlson are great, that the intricacy is going on there.
But whatever I was actually thinking earlier today about Carol Quigley, of all people,
and how he and his works, most famous of them tragedy and help.
His historical book. He was a professor of history at Georgetown University,
so he wrote history Book of the World in Our Time, as the subtitle
goes, but it was the twentieth century, and he tried to cram as
much history as he could as like many it's like over a thousand pages as
long, but that's his most famous book. Then you have The Anglo American
Establishment, where he talks about Cecil Rhodes and that group, the Milner Group,
Cecil Rhads evolving into the Milner Group, basically this group of the English
aristocracy trying to create a world commonwealth. It's the twentieth century attempt at making
the UK God to keep the colonizing powers of the UK going throughout the twentieth
century. I'm sorry, I'm tired or something here, but anyway, that's
The Anglo American Establishment is the second most popular book. I've read. Both
of those, I don't have my notes on them. If I was,
maybe I should have gone over. But whatever. There's another third book which
I highly recommend of Quigli's, which is what is it The Evolution of Civilizations?
That's a good just general macro history book where Quigley is famous for being
a macro historian, where he tries to fit world histories together so that they
make sense as part of like this cohesive he tries to come up with like
a cohesive rhyme and reason as to how history has evolved and where it may
be going. It's a crazy idea. That's a really good books. That
one. Frankly, that one might be my favorite of the three. It's
the one that you don't hear much about and it's good. Look it up
if you get a chance. It's on my recommended reading list at bookshop Dot
or go to the link on my site and plan on that. But there
you go. Anyway, quickly Quiggly wrote these books. He was famous.
He became infamous in what a fringe right wing political reactionary, anti globalist,
anti New World order sort of circles. He became infamous there do no small
effort to groups like the John Birch Society who found his writings and held them
up like look we have proof from the story and himself of the Riia and
here it is, and and so it became his claim to fame, really,
I would say, came from this push from these far right groups that
are definitely fringe but still fringe as ay me that may be they did have
political clout and Sway a very fascinating study there which definitely relates to where we
are today. But maybe we'll get back to that. So quickly became famous
through this, and and it's something that he really despised, like quickly.
He's a fascinating character. Actually he He was an intense person, no doubt
about it. And I often wish that he was still around today just to
see like what his take would be on so many different things, because it
would be interesting. The Donald Trump phenomenon, the mega phenomenon, he would
be completely up in arms about and screaming about, no doubt. But he's
the earlier version of that scene really was happening in these circles, like with
John Birch and moving into the Barry Goldwater campaign. In one of those books,
I don't remember which one, Quigley is saying how he's citing John Burch
specifically, but he's also citing the Barry Goldwater campaign and his opinion was if
Goldwater had won the nomination and become president, that the United States would become
like a fascist nation or something to that effect. So he was saying that
then, and he had a personal vendetta too against these groups. There's a
clip of him some interview with him, an audio interview of him, where
he was talking about the publishing of Tragedy and Help and saying how this outside
company had come in and published it without his approval and he had some legal
battle going on there, and he was just I mean, you could tell
is something that he absolutely hated this group, and part of it was he
knew he's getting famous from it in all the wrong ways. He did not
want to be. But he was mad at them for like stealing his material
and using it without his permission, and not just for that, but for
something that he was so adamantly against. And I thinking about I want to
say he had some sort of legal action going on with the publisher and he
was kind of like going back and forth. He didn't give any particulars.
I think because of the legal stuff he's trying to do. I wish he
would have been more specific, but he couldn't have been. I want to
say that maybe he might have had like private investigators trying to figure out like
what was going on with it, But I don't know. It's a fascinating
thing. The publishing of his book to this day is done by I don't
know if it's the same publisher that he was complaining about so many decades ago.
I can't tell this GSG Publishing Company, which is based out of sam
Pedro. Sampedro is a a city that is just on the other side of
the Port of Long Beach. So if you're in Long Beach, you drives
through the big port where the ships come in from China. Mind you you
go through the port, over the Vincent Thomas Bridge. Still on the coast,
you are in San Pedro. If you keep going west, sort of
northwest, you'll come around the Horns, so to speak, into beautiful and
affluent Rancho Palace Verdes. So you've got San Pedro sort of in between the
Port of Long Beach Wilmington area industrial they're also refining oil in that area.
They're bringing in giant containers from cargo ships, and you could drive through all
that, you get into San Pedro. Then you go around you get up
into one of the one of the wealthiest I think the wealthiest zip code in
all of Los Angeles County not saying something. And then you go up on
the coast, you go up the nice beach communities that get up into Venice,
and then eventually Santa Monica, Malibou all that whatever. San Pedro is
the home of GSG associates. I did some poking around myself. I called
them up and I spoke to a woman who was like, you know,
she was the she was the one that answered the phone. I was talking
to her. I was trying to get whoever was running the operation, whoever
owned it, and I had a couple of conversations with her. I'm like,
I'd like to have on the show. I didn't get anywhere with that.
I didn't. I did that a few times. I probably didn't push
it enough. If I had, they probably would have just stopped answering my
calls, honestly. But I'm always curious if that's the actual publishing company that
was publishing back in the days, so to speak. I don't know.
I think it might be, but if it's not, it's definitely the evolution
of the same thing of these companies like publishing quickly stuff just on their own
to get the truth out, right, to get the truth out. And
definitely, I mean, I don't know, I don't know who is behind
GSG, but I would imagine it is somebody aligned with this strange fringe far
right reactionary group, fitting in with, if not directly working within the John
Birch Society whatever, it's definitely part of that. Again, I haven't heard
anything about Quiggly in quite some time, which is interesting because he was all
the rage in this world for a while. But but you know, things
come and go in this space too, So I mean, any day now
we could be talking about Tragy and Home and how it is the lynchpin for
all truth if you only simply read that. In the Anglo American establishment,
nobody'll even know what the evolution of civilizations is, but they'll cite does other
books a bunch that could happen any day. It hasn't for a while.
It's interesting, but yeah, there's been a long protracted process. I don't
even know if I'm making any point here, but I'm talking about the same
groups that were bringing you Carol Quigley's books The Very Goldwater Campaign. Are the
same groups that kind of bled into the more recent although now slipping into history
as each day passes more and more, the tea party movement that was really
a reflection of the same thing. Okay, we've got we've got a call
here. My quick apology to the caller because I had a little sticky button
issue here where stuff was getting stuck digitally and this person's been on hold for
twenty minutes. Okay, did not know that and that was not intentional.
Uh okay, well, gee, I hope it's not the publisher or the
guy behind gsg assays. It's so my apology's my fault, not Aaron's that
you were on hold because my equipment was stuck and I did not realize it
wasn't showing me the new caller. So I reloaded my screen and it shows
me that he's been on hold for twenty minutes. So okay, okay,
So with that in mind, will go directly to the caller twenty four minutes.
Actually, but there you go, Sorry about that again, my pay.
Okay, all right, so here we go. So caller, you
are on the air, what's your name and where you're calling from? And
please tell me you're calling from San Pedro. I hope that's the place.
But anyway, tell me where you're calling from. Who you are, Jimmy
James calling from Michigan, and uh on this whole thing. Uh, first
off, I'm pretty sure that's gotta be pronounced San Pedro. Yeah, you
know what I always I always, yeah, I know, I always say
Sanpege. I always tried to do that. And then everybody out here it
doesn't matter, Uh, it doesn't matter who you are. Everybody says San
Pedro is out here in southern California. MI like, Okay, So I've
just adopt I used to say San Pedro too, but I've adopted the Pedro
thing because apparently that's what we say around these parts. I'm not sure why,
but whatever. Probably not right, but here we are. Yeah.
Well, now I could have saved you out of time, buddy. I
could have told you right off the bat. Absolutely there is an exact line
of policies and ideas between Goldwater, Reagan and Trump. Absolutely, yeah,
yeah, sure. Now, this quiggly guy, I know nothing other than
his JFK report. Mmm. I don't know if I realized he had one.
What was his report on JFK? What did he have to say about
that, it's a gag. The first report written on JFK they the FBI,
the Quigley reports. They they this is what they wanted to do before
the warrant commissioned. They they put up five nice encyclopedic looking books. They
were hoping to goodbye on that. But it was just the FBI report.
I'm pretty sure it's called the Quiggley Report, is there right there, Chuck?
Sorry, Jimmy, you're talking about the Gimberling Report, which they say
is five volumes, but it's actually five little books divided from a three hundred
page report. That would be the Gimberling Report. Yeah, sorry, Okay's
report. But there was an FBI guy named Quickley all over the place.
Agent Quigley you're thinking of, would be the guy that they said allegedly went
to go question Oswald in New Orleans when he was in jail after the fight
with Carlos Berengear, he had a conversation with Agent Quigley. He retired right
then, he supposedly retired, and then host he supposedly took over the case.
Rake. Yeah, but I defy you to find agent Quigley after that.
So I don't know if he existed. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry,
It's just one of those fun facts. And by the way, it's
memorialized in the JFK movie. If I think about it carefully, Kevin Costner
says, And then he spent twenty however long then he spent a private interview
with Adrian Quigley of the FBI. He says that during his closing summation there
in the dramatization in the courtroom, does that ring a bell? Jimmy,
You know what, buddy, It's been so long since I've seen that film,
and I really do need to see it. No pause, I ain't
seen it right in like ten years. Give me like two minutes. I'll
go find a clip on YouTube. But there you go. But as far
as this whole JOm Birds stuff, well, first off, I know you've
heard that they're extreme right and one called extreme right. Well they're extreme right.
Mitt Romney when he was running, Oh he's an extreme right. George
h W h W Bush, Oh he's an extreme right. I mean everyone
who runs as a Republican has had to put up with this crap since Goldwater
for some reason. Interesting fact that in the fifties both In fact, all
of the Kennedy brothers voted for right Guysenhower not surprisingly him being their supreme commander
in the war basically, and in fact, the two of the Kennedy brothers
worked with McCarthy on his committee early on. Isn't that right, Chuck?
Absolutely true? Hey, both brothers. Indeed, Bobby Kennedy is most noted,
but John was there as well. I got a funny question for you,
though, You're saying, that's which which one? Since Goldwater they've been
saying extreme right and basically fascist Nazi is the ultimate conclusion there. On the
other hand, is it McGovern that they started calling all the Democrats communists?
Or was that before that? Like if you go to a certain you're extreme
left, you're extreme liberal, you're now communist. You know, the whole
hyperbolic thing where it ends up leading to well, Schuck, the honest truth
is, up until fifty years ago, the Democrat Party was not much different
than the Republican Party. Oh, I know one of them. Great.
One of the most eloquent report things ever written for the pro life movement was
written by Ted Kennedy in the seventies. Everyone had a similar sense. Well,
don't matter what we support, our constitution, our country, our way
of life. There was this commonality that just isn't there anymore. Yeah,
it was sort of the at the end of the day, we're all Americans
deal. But right, I mean, that was the thing. It's like,
we're all Americans plus in reality, I'm not saying that it was a
reality that McGovern is a communist. I'm also not saying that it's a reality
that Goldwater was, you know, a right wing Nazi. What I'm saying
is that's the hyperbole that comes in. And really, these guys who are
being described as extreme back then were very much close to what you would think
of as the center today. At worst, that's the worst position you could
give them. They weren't extreme in any way. They were just kind of
run of the mill, I think. But they were being called even Nixon,
right. Nixon was a law and order guy, that's the way he
presented himself. But other people called him a fascist at that time. He
wasn't anywhere near fascism. Uh, But at the at that time, that
was the hyperboles. So I'm just trying to figure out if it was McGovern
that they started with. You know, all liberals lead to communists and all
you know, all right wingers lead to Nazi was that McGovern slash Goldwater.
Is that both of them basically being the uh, you know, the divining
you know, the divining rod that caused that split. Is that about happened
all Goldwater? He had the unfortunate nests to run against lbj R and LBJ
release the famous daisy commercial, which is considered the first kind of negative ad
big time. And then the next campaign, well, mcgovernal it was just
really liberal. I mean that was just hyperbole. But McGovern would pretty much
look at today's Democrats and say, what a bunch of damn communis. Yeah,
he would. And the thing is what was They referred to him as
the pansy poets socialist, right, he was definitely some people called him a
socialist. He was a socialist, he was a communist, he was all
these But it was all hyperbolic. It makes no sense compared to what the
guy actually was. Just like with Goldwater, it makes no sense with what
the guy actually was right, right, And honestly, the greatest thing in
my the greatest I think had JFK that guy. You realized that him and
Goldwater had already had a plan in place where they were going to share an
airplane, go to places, debate civilly presumably, and let the people decide.
Imagine if that's what we would have gotten. Mm hmm, yeah,
that would have been different. Okay, and goodnough, I just and I'll
see if I can play in that clip real fast. But good and Goldwaters
said he of course he approached LBJ about doing debates, and LBJ smiled here
from here and said, no, I don't think I'll be doing that.
Mhm sure. Yeah. Well, Goldwater was one of the old He was
in the style of Ron Paul. He was the outsider that was not let
in right, and he just was not let in there. And he was
never going to be president because you know, because of that. But well
then no, no, let's be fair. The only reason he he was
running against the ghost of JFK. No Republican was going to win that election.
Now, if JFK and Goldwater actually debated, I realized that we all
look at him at JFK because of his assassination. Of course he's a martyr,
but at the time, there's very little chance he would have been re
elected. Every year of something with this guy. First year at the Berlin
Wall, then you had the Bay of Pigs, and then there's just every
year is just constant. We were on the brink of nuclear war. I
mean, that was the apex of the Cold War, right, this is
when people were digging dugout shelters and thinking they could live in fallout shelters and
all this ridiculous stuff. Yeah it's true. Yeah, yeah, I don't
I don't even know if I was like making an actual point and everything I
was saying, I was just kind of like taking a sweet, sweet trip
down memory lane. Carol Quickly, the hero of the the the guy you
love to hate, the guy who loved to hate on the people who love
to hate him. It was an odd, odd thing. What what occurred
with him? And uh, it's kind of odd also to see I don't
know if there's been a disappearance of his work, of his influence. I
don't think so. And again I would not be surprised if in an instant
he has revived and we hear the old mines again. But uh, I
don't know. It's it's crazy. I do think it's that I do pay
pretty close attention to politics and have for a long time. I'm not a
conservative, but I'm a constitutionalist. For you to think I would at least
have heard of this guy, so the fact that I never have, maybe
there's something to what you're saying about is jumped being disappeared or whatever. Yeah,
I mean that's good. It's good material. His books are interesting,
to say the least. Yeah, all right, it's a good show.
But yeah, take care, Jimmy, good to talk to you. All
right. So now there is a differentiation to be made here, just real
fast, and uh yeah, it's always good to hear from Jimmy. But
you know, you're you're differentiating between Carol Quiggly and the alleged agent Quiggly.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, is there
such an agent Quiggly? Chuck? Are you saying that he's he's a fictional
thing made up in conspiracy? Lord? I know, not the conspiracy lore.
What happened is is that there was an FBI report that basically ends up
in Garrison's hands that was questionable, that says that Oswald for some reason,
ends up with a special meeting with this agent Quigley of the FBI when he
was nobody and he was just arrested for handing out pro Cuba pamphlets in you
know, pro castro pamphlets regarding Cuba. In New Orleans the summer before the
assassination, this no name guy gets into a street fight, gets arrested,
gets fined ten dollars for disturbing the peace with what looks like a staged event,
and ends up in a special meeting with an FBI guy named Agent Quiggly.
And now try to find that agent Quiggley later you can't, okay,
And it was memorialized in the movie JFK, where Costner is I'm looking at
it and looking at the subtitles as it goes by, But I do know
that that was one of those things introduced in a little flashback where they show
it that he's under arrest in New Orleans, and they're showing a flashback during
Costner's closing arguments where they mentioned Quigley. But Quiggley's a guy who shows up
and becomes part of that's where that agent is from that name. Meanwhile,
he was referring to something called the Gimberling Report because it's a guy the lead
agent assembling the FBI report in the first place. On the Kennedy assassination was
said to be a five volume report, but it was a total of three
hundred pages that was split into five volumes, and that was the Gimberling report
and the guy agent Gimberling. Only very few people ever got an interview with
that guy, but he does exist. He's a legitimate guy of record who
was an FBI field like a guy who controlled field agents in the Dallas area.
So I was just clarifying all that and where the name Quigley came from
from Jimmy James thing. But you're talking about Carol Quigley, the author of
Tragedy in Hull, the professor the influence on Bill Clinton, who everybody mentions,
Well, he was, you know, he was Bill Clinton's professor and
his mentor, and that's Carol Quickly, that's a different guy. Yes,
anyway, That's all the clarity I was trying to provide is to make sure
everybody out the names and stuff straight. So sorry, I kind of,
you know, derailed the discussion. That's okay, that's okay. I again,
I don't know if I was making a point. I think maybe the
point that I ended up wanting to make was that I mean all of these
political characters. I don't trust a single one of them, honestly, And
then all of these analyzes of politics might be even worse. Mainstream, alternative,
whatever the hell media you're talking about. If you think you're not watching
propaganda, you better be careful, better think twice, be careful where you're
being led, pay attention to talking points, and like people parroting this same
sort of opinions, especially regarding things like, oh, Putin is the best
thing ever, I wish he was our president, like something to that effect.
Nobody's exactly saying that, but they basically are. It's ridiculous, It
makes you, it might want to make you wonder what's going on there.
And frankly, if you just put something out there, it's going to be
repeated if you can make people believe it. And so I think a lot
of examples within all media is that just simply that happening. He's like,
oh, yeah, this is what we do. Okay, cool, yeah,
all right, this is our thing. So just try to avoid that
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Days. And then we have the O'Kelly chat. Lots of action going
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It's a lot of way. I hear a bouncing sound. It's keep going
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Something sticky? Yeah, some some buttons are sticky. But I think I
might have resolved the issue, hopefully. It's just random sound effects going on.
Yeah, No, that's what I'm hearing. I get it's going through
my ears and I can hear that. Okay, it goes again. So
now Ray Ray the Ford Free has moved over to the Twitch chat as well
as your chelie chat, and he's saying hey uncle and Aaron and Daz.
It's twelve thirteen am over there in Western Australia. Jimmy, Hello, Jim
I know I know who this is. Are you sure? Yeah? Hello?
Yeah? Uncle? Got me? You knew I knew who it was
you. I have plain suage to know this guy when he cools? Is
he the usually the first one on it? Well maybe the second to then,
but he usually the first one. I've noticed that. Well, demand
you boys couldn't make it, man, But yeah, I can't believe it.
I mean that first half they were I had like seventeen points. How
did they blow a game like that? That's my thinking? How did they
blow the game? So that's what I'm asking you. Uncle, I'm out,
I've wrecked. I don't understand. Cough cough. Isn't like that.
Kauf has been playing with us for a longer time and then went over there
to you guys the vine to get you there, and he did get you
there, but then he sort of scoot it up in a way. It
wasn't It wasn't Golf's fault. That was that lost is not his fault?
Well, didn't he have a that was that? It would have picked it?
That was the coach's fault there. I know that, yeah, yeah,
and all other things, but I don't know what his name. I
can't, I've got I think I'm super tired today because I'm having trouble remembering
his basic stuff. What is the name of the coach of the Lions,
Jimmy, Jimmy would know. Yeah, Dan Campbell is the Campbell. That's
the one that's him. Campbell. He's a good coach, but he made
some terrible decisions in that in that championship came out. You know, in
the terms of gambling, when when someone goes full tilt, what it means,
Oh, they just go They just they're gambling and they're taking like the
most extreme risks no matter what. They just go for it. He said,
they'll just keep going against they they'll just keep going in the same direction.
Right, So they're broke. And that's the way he was. In
the fourth quarter. He he took over from the coordinator, the uh offensive
coordinator, and uh going for He kept going for it, and there's a
couple of times he should have kicked it. Took the three points, and
that's what we were saying, Get take that three forget about their fourth down
I mean it would have been it would have been closer. Even though he
might have won. There were two champs come into that. If he would
have gotten just one of them, he would have won. But that's what
I said, that could have happened. So for the listeners in India and
the UK, which we have live tonight, Uh, they're talking football and
not the kind of football you would call football. Just so you know,
Oh it's the uh, it's the different kind I know what. Yeah,
Well, I'm just like I'm trying to the he's thinking what they're doing,
they're thinking about I'm trying to be clicking. Let the listeners in Australia,
England and India. India is the unusual one on the list here know that
we're not talking about the kind of football that you would call football. Or
in Australia there's something they call footy or something. I think it's well that
I think is more like rugby. It's not scer though, it's yeah,
something else footy. Maybe Ray can help us out with that. Let us
know what what is footy? Ray as opposed to football, which is not
the American football we're talking about here. Regarding the Detroit Lions and all this
what what is that? Ray? Help us out in the chat and tell
us what is footy in Australia because I I don't remember rugby because we're married.
Let's hunt about what what are you talking about here? And I and
we were just going and we just said that bossy roll footy is played without
padding. So it's played without padding, right a football game? Then let's
football about the pads football game? Hey, did you give out the numbers?
By the way, because uh, also we have a we have a
listener in Germany that just joined us. But uh yeah, just letting uncle
know all the internationals. But if you're international, you're better off reaching out
to Charles dot Ocelly on Skype. Send me a text message and I'll call
you into the show. But did you give out the phone number? Air?
I give out the number. But you're right, especially given our friend
in the Fatherland is listening. So if you have Skype, you may come
onto the show no matter where you are, right, If you can do
that by typing a message to Chuck, he is Charles Charles Doll. It's
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bring you on or call three, one, one six, Yes, please
come on the show. Yes, and you can be on just like Jimmy
James is. And with that, I'm gonna shut up because I got to
step away from the microphone for a few minutes. Anyway, So you guys
are on your own and you're stuck with Jimmy James till I come back.
Okay, Oh boy, what will we do? Uncle? What's been happening
on Jimmy James? Wow? O, don't done that. Well, I
got a couple here in aids. Somebody's got period. That's something in this
house only one person has, but two more people need more people. Yes,
are you one of your wife and my wife? Yes? I mean
your wife soon. She can't hear and she can't hear nothing really, Yeah,
she needs AIDS already at this stage. Yeah, that's bad. Well,
I mean she because I asked one thing and I'd get to the other.
You had a discussion. Oh, let me have explain, is me
Jimmy, We had a discussion into dinner table. Here we go. We
might as well talk about something, okay, And this is the only thing
I can think of right now. I said I wanted Japanese. I mean
Japanese Chinese Chinese food, and she said she didn't hear me plain simple said
that and became quite the quite the conversation. Yeah, did you want Chinese
or did you not? Yeah? And they said what do you want?
And I told her, just don't make sense to so of these people.
Jimmy, did you have a good dinner tonight. I've been in China.
They don't call China food China food. One would imagine they don't. They
probably just call it food, right, That's what I would. Yeah,
I would think, but I don't know for sure. I'm not there right
now. Have you watched my Saturday specials the movies, Jimmy, have you
seen that? Jimmy? Well, right now, I gotta do all my
internet stuff on my phone, which I'm not real good with these phones.
So until I get my laptop going open, me finding me finding stuff is
it's kind of rough. Oh, so you mean you don't have it sort
of set up, saying right, I don't. I don't have my laptop
set up, so I'm doing everything through my cell phone. I mean when
I want to give it me, Well, when you have it, do
get it set up. I'll have on Saturday morning. You can drop in.
I'll call in, or just go on the chat VHS watch party with
it and watch party with me. We do that Saturday morning and do that
on Saturday morning. That's how you can see. We should be back tomorrow
morning with more VHS tips, so we're having more coming. Watch that long
one. What was the name? We watched The Stranger was a song by
Orson Wells. We watched the whole thing. It was. It was longer.
I thought it might have been actually that. It was good. It
was an old black and white film film noir. It was cool. I
thought it was gonna be pretty higher for them. But there was things in
there that I didn't take a fan effect making it over. There's something missing.
I don't know what. We didn't give it a very high rating.
That's what I care for, and I don't because usually I like those.
I thought was a pretty good film. Yeah, we stop it up.
It's up on YouTube now. If you want to go back and watch it,
it's it's on the YouTube. But now so se go check it out.
We have all our old episodes of that in any live stream we do.
We have the old gaming shows up still. We even do those gaming
things we might I'm trying to uncle we need to build an audience. I
don't know quite how to do that. But the one thing I know how
to do is just keep making these shows. But to get large amounts of
people watching is the question. I feel like. I always feel like we
can and we're on the edge of that, and I want to stop making
the shows, so we'll make them for their own sake, But I want
to bring back the gaming show when maybe if we can get the audience at
a little more capacity so that more people are watching them and we can do
more engagement with the audience that we're doing it. But I'm loving the VHS
Saturdays just it's a fun thing. I want to keep doing those for a
while now. Yeah, if that's okay with you, Yeah, that's okay.
I'm going to take it laughing at these things. Sometimes we got some
good tastes here in the waiting. These are the choices that we'll have to
choose from tomorrow. We can either watch this tai Chi for health video,
we could watch Tibo tai Chi Tybo, or the Three Stooges. We might
watch. So we've got those three tapes lying in wait, so it's gonna
be one of those that we or maybe multiple top one that's a real top
one. You get the Tibo, the wu bo or the three stooge always
three suges. I was thinking that there. Yeah, I mean, I'm
pimped into good that one soon. But I got to get these Chinese things
out of my way, just like you didn't have Chinese food at dinner tonight.
Uncle. Maybe we could watch this side and tape and it will satiate
tape on this tape thing, maybe we have something better than not eating,
maybe watching something unstoppable. Appetite for all things appetite. What's happening? I
guess. I hope you guys get some of those video magazines. Do you
guys remember that they used to make video what they called video magazines back in
the eight VHS days. I used to subscribe to for one one video magazine
for one one VM, which was like boarding specific video magazine, and that
thing was awesome. Why don't we go back to them? If I find
one of those at the Thris Stoer, you better believe I will buy it
and we will watch it on the show. I haven't found one yet,
but if I do I'm picking that up. That was the video magazine I
know, Chuck, but I'm sure that there were a ton of others.
What other ones were there? Yeah, I'm trying to think what the name
of my favorite one actually was. It's I'm drawing a blank at the moment
because and it sucks, because I know I spent a lot of money and
a couple of times I even went in, like you know, got them
from the video store for rental and tape them myself. Oh, Hard and
Heavy, that's the name of it. A magazine called Hard and Heavy.
It was a heavy metal magazine. Oh cool, nice. Yeah. And
then then there was some sort of sci fi or like not not sci fi
exactly, but like a perfect companion to fangoria. It was like a video
magazine like for like horror movies and special effects like crazy, like you know,
I think they might have been the first people to come up with the
idea of Cronenberg's. You know, you know what a Cronenberg is, right,
I know, David Cronenberg. I'm not sure what a Cronenberg is.
A Cronenberg is a general description for like a body horror monster, like if
you remember, like John Carpenter's the thing where like, you know, the
guy, the guy they hit him with the flamethrower and his head is burned
off and it DAGs off and then it sprouts spider legs and the head crawls
away. Remember that? Okay, yes, yes, that would be a
Cronenberg or when you see like, you know, people like totally twisted like
into you know, weird deformed piles. Yes, yeah, yeah, that
that was quite popular in those old horror movies like that. Yes, I'm
actually gonna look that up real fast and see if there's like an online definition
for it somewhere. But I know that used to be a phrase, it's
a it's a Cronenberg or a Cronenberg monster. See, I'm guessing they probably
got that from David Cronenberg. It's he definitely he has films where those things
were in him. I didn't know that he was like kind of I don't
know if even is like the guy credited with the creation of that as a
trope or I don't know what's going on. I would assume that's why they
named it after him, right, Yeah, that's let's see the artist.
Okay, Well, here we go from Wikipedia. Unfortunately, but from Wikipedia,
it says body horror or biological horror is a subgenre of horror that showcases
grotesque or psychologically disturbing violations of the human body or to any other excuse me,
creature. I didn't mean to belch on your show. Sorry about that.
Characteristics. Where's the Cronenberg mentioned of this though? That's what I got
when I put in the word Cronenberg monster. Okay, well, yeah,
I don't know. Yeah, David Cronberg rules. I still haven't seen scanners
though. I need to see scanners. You never saw scanners? No,
No, I feel bad about it. I want to see that. I've
seen videodrome and I forget his other I've seen a couple others, but I've
never seen scanners. Need to I'm really surprised. Is that the one with
young Julie or Roberts. I don't know. I can't think of the Let's
see if you look at the substack. I'm trying to find this. The
the artist as monster the cinema of David Cronenberg, but they describe him as
Cronis as a matter of fact, on a recent well a couple of seas
as ago. Now, Rick and morty right. They described the whole world
because they twisted people into these weird deformed monsters and the whole planet, they
said they cronan bird the universe, like the whole world was cronan bird.
Like it's described as a as as a what do you call it? A
verb? I mean. One one of the more famous movies that did that
was The Fly was Difficult. I remember a fly from what's his name?
Remember that movie? Uncle? Yeah, they had the kid and what's his
name? Got man his man, I'm going to get you and then they
weren't going looking down. I'm not get my guitar straight. It was it
interesting? That was the fly? A fly? Really damn idle? I
can't remember. The guy was using his he was losing his head and then
he started losing he started losing his hand. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
the flying. But the point was he was trying to get his paints to
like each other, to get it together. And and the point was on
that was that little guy that he was punched out, punched him all the
time, and he kept saying mister, mister man, mister and mister this
and this and did the watch the call and all this maybe that's part two
the Fly to where it's like the son of I remember back to character trying
to fight. You're talking about back to the future, Uncle, Right,
the future that was the Fly? That was the fly? He fly?
Yeah, gore yea go, yeah, there's a he's doing free word association
here. See we're talking about the movie where the guy turns into the fly,
Uncle, which I know you saw one of those at least, either
the Vincent Price. Oh yeah, yes, there was an original black and
white to Fly. I don't know if it was black and white originally,
but it was Vincent Price, isn't Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's the
Fly. There's Return of the Fly, which the Misfits made a song about,
and then there's like the remake of the Fly from the eighties with gold
Bloom, which I think is the most famous out of all of them,
and that has that Kloner brig style transformation where you know, slowly and steadily
gold Bloom becomes less a man and more of a twisted genetic. And you
mentioned Brundle Fly, which is how he identifies himself when he's you know,
making recordings for science. Yeah, yeah, the Bundle Fly. Uncle.
Well, yes, Uncle speaking to McFly Which one's your favorite? My favorite
Part two where he's uh fit phones the town and he's rich and he's got
that big casino. I don't seem part one two you don't remember to where
they had the future and fifth Tannon has that sports almanacon. Do we remember,
though, I do remember fly Guy that the driver got hit and and
he had to go back. Oh well, there's the third one where they
go back to the Old West. Well they're in uh, they're like in
are they still in? Uncle? Uncle is referencing the first uh, back
to the future because Marty falls out of the tree and gets hit by the
car instead of George. Okay, and then it hits the hits the bell
and you're trying to get the bell close together. Yes, that's all the
first one. Yeah, yes, have you seen that any of the two,
part two or three of that movie? Uncle Man go back to him?
I might have to go back to him. I bet I bet you
he's seen him and he's mixing him up. Do you remember when they went
to the Old West? Uncle, and he's actually back in the Old West,
and now it's a gunslinger and zz Top shows up. That's what.
Yeah, that's part three. Yeah, something about the shooting. I do
remember the fighting and the cowboys. Yeah, and they show it at the
end of part two. They show you Zzy Top in the Old West with
the guitars and they spin their guitars in the Old West because they're kind of
dressed with the cowboy hats and they're just dusty looking like the guy was going
down with the with the with the hand thumb going this way they have to
get the train becomes the time the shot the train. Now I'm starting to
remember and that one you got that's the train. Yeah, I remember the
train Mad Dog Tatters. See that's part three, okay, But the part
two that Aaron was just talking about is where he goes, you know,
into the future and he tries to you know, fix things and oh,
it's your kids, Morty. He tries to fix stuff with his kids,
and then he ends up going back to what he thinks is nineteen eighty five.
And it turns out what Jimmy James was talking about that Biff, the
bad guy who's the bad guy in every movie, right, But he's either
mad yeah, the guy that did the they clean the call. It's either
the descendant of or antecedent of fifth hand in right present day, Back to
the Future, right, maybe I have to go back to number two.
I know number I know number three and number one. Now that you I
mean with the train, I might have to go back to two. I
think you're look at that. It's worth a while. That one, it's
an odd one. It's a dark as as the second in a trilogy usually
is. It's the darkest of the three. That's what's the marathon that you
got? You see there's a VHS marathon for you right there is Back to
the Future one, two, and three. Yeah. I'm a little concerned
with copyright issues. I don't want to get like huge flags on the accounts
or get like an abundance of ads on things. I kind of went with
the orson Wells film because I think it might be free of which copyright,
which I'm not wanted person that, but I got the feeling it was.
But I took a chance on that one. Wells, It's it's it was
The Stranger from nineteen forty. It was just it was a post war movie.
It deals with World War two and the Nazis and all that. Actually
it was like forty seven forty six, forty eight, one of those years
like that, So it's pretty old early orson wells he was a young guy.
Then I just got fired a suggestion for and I don't know if this
is true, but it used to be true at one point. Is that
of Living Dead had like no copyright restriction at all? Like, yes,
yes, well, our buddy count Popper has he did that marathon from watching
a bunch of them on Twitch. I watched a bit of that, so
he's he did that. I know that was the copyright thing. I don't
know. I have a copy of The Blues Brothers here, which I'd love
to watch and do the show of, but I'm a little nervous to watch.
Yeah, we got The Blues Brothers right here, but I'm a little
nervous to put that one in because oh, yes, that one. I
love this movie. Well, definitely want to that's the one I want to
see too. Yeah, definitely you'll get hit for co or for copyright when
you all the musical parts in the Everybody forgets about the musical parts of the
Blues Brothers, but really that's a big part of it. Yeah, but
it's weird you forget mostly forget when that come out. I don't know,
I've had this one. Let me see nineteen eighty. Yeah, but it's
like Aretha Franklin literally sang in that movie and they're like no. I'm like,
yesh, she did. I'm telling why they don't remember that. Yeah.
I had this conversation a couple of times this year alone. What in
the hell James Brown is in it? But all they remember is those guys
singing, you know, like they remember dan Aykroyd and uh, you know
John Belushi singing. They don't remember the other performances, Like you just said,
James Brown. I'm like, how do you not remember James Brown sanging
there? Oh? No, I just remember you know, the fat guy
and dan Aykroyd. Okay, this is what this young guy said to me
is I saw that movie years ago, and I know that it was just
those guys singing. They and he remembered they sang country music. At one
point, I said, well, not really. They sang the theme to
Rawhide and you know a couple of dumb Yeah, but it was a bit.
It was a funny bit. Yeah I did that. Yeah, that
was all part of the joke that they sang that way. I love that.
Well, they got stuck because they yeah, and they stole the gig
from Oh my God, the guys who were like clearly like old school country,
like before they modernized country music. We're actually whatever the name of the
band was. Remember, he says, Oh, we're uh the good Old
Blues Brothers. Yeah, yeah, because it was the good old boys.
We're the good Old Blues Brothers, boys from Chicago. And they're getting bottles
thrown at him and the chicken wire they're breaking on him the whole time,
right, which is they used to be a real thing in blues and country
bars. By talking about the chicken wire like yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I believe it, you know, like the Roadhouse, get me
thinking about it. I love that movie. I'm gonna think I'm gonna see
Ray Charles Is in that movie you might put on tomorrow that you got me
thinking about it. Well, I don't, no, no, why not.
I think it's best if we don't. Let's keep watching tai Chi for
Beginners and things like that that we know that we're not going to get in
trouble for this is non trouble. Well, I'm afraid we're gonna get like
hit on our channels and they'll take our channels down or something, or they'll
just pepper them with ads and then you know something like that. What about
Bruce Lee movie Other than I Enter the Dragon, you won't get in trouble
for watching those? Really? Okay, lie on for those, then I'll
keep my ASP for them. If that's the case, Well, I know
what your pubbs, then I know what you're going through here. Get these
tapes. First of all, let's make sure they're legal to get them in
this machine. But you're just now saying about this Blue Brothers here, you're
afraid to use to use that that tape for to use to try to watch
a good show that probably won't be a good show. And now you're saying
it's scaly. Well no, no, you've got chick. Look at your
tapes. Make sure you able to you know, well, we can get
into them and we have no problem. Yeah. But see that means the
thing Uncle Aaron's trying to get stuff that's good and also trying to get stuff
that Look, it's a good movie, but it doesn't mean that you're gonna
be able to get away with putting it on YouTube. That's the trouble with
this whole copyright you know storm that they put us under on YouTube. Like
I remember a long time ago, if you made certain noises on YouTube accidentally,
they would turn around and hit you with a copyright strike because you made
a similar noise to somebody else. I mean, it was that bad at
one point. But now they've cracked down on everything so much. It's all
about the money. They don't want to lose money, you see. So
you know, if you use one of their songs, you don't get tool
to some of these people that make the movie just good luck, and it
would think could we mobo your talk on that? Like for the example,
the rights today there's the trouble at least at least to watch it. Well,
look, look there's the true uncle. Let me explain something to you
real fast. You're gonna hate this, but let me tell you it's gonna
make you crazy. You could talk to the guy who filmed the movie.
You could talk to the guy whose name is on the movie, the actors
and everything else and ask them and they'll give you permission. The guy who
wrote the movie, even it doesn't matter, it's not them. Just like
the musicians. I've had musicians on there like, you gotta be able to
play my song on your show, and I do it, and I play
their song on my show even though I'm promoting that musician, and a publishing
company turns around and blocks their song on my YouTube. That's it, brother,
we got to go straight to them. You gotta go to the lawyer's
uncle. Oh well all that, yes, yes, well that's what I'm
saying. And then all you And then here's the problem. You could buy
anything, right, but like if I wanted to use a Megadeth song at
the beginning of my show, I could do it. But you know,
you're talking five thousand dollars uncle for a couple of years worth of being able
to use it. Five thousand dollars one song, one song. Yeah,
they ain't go crazy money going crazy with this noise, do you. I'm
sure everybody remembers when I will mention this. But when you put a tape
or any sort of video in its player, you press play, what's the
first thing that pops on the screen FBI warning warnings. They always that way
though, Well that's what that's what we're talking about here. Yeah, but
FBI could come after us. See, I wish it was just the FBI,
because that was the thing they could charge you back in the old days.
And that's why you don't see those as much anymore, because that was
the big scary thing. Nowadays, they literally catch it and crush it and
that's it. Like they've made it so you can't copy it. You try
and play a song up there, either they take it over and they run
all those ads on it, like Aaron said, so that they get some
money from you, or they deny you being able to even use it.
You can't even use their stuff. You know. This is actually if you
think about a minute, Oh think about it a minute. Go into a
drift store, so I kick, yes, getting tapes. What's the punt
this? Us going into store getting tapes and we can't hit the listen to
the tape. That's the tricks trick. That's the thing that sidekick is doing.
That's very cool, is that he's coming up with stuff that they're not
going to bother you for. He's trying to find not only good stuff,
but stuff that they won't bother you for, say uncle. That's the double
trick here, and that's why it's not that easy to find stuff that you're
going to be able to use for this. And that's the point. I
mean, I know it sounds crazy because it is. It's a pain in
the neck. And it's like, you know what, I understand, these
guys want to get paid for their stuff. But when things are forty years
old, fifty years old, they already got paid. Come on, you
know what I mean, it's old at some point, right, come on
anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead, but if you want to use the
video game, do it all day long. They let you do that.
Yeah, that is odd, isn't it. That is very interesting how video
game media has made it a part of the culture and the legal framework that
yeah, you do stream them. It's very fascinating to see that. Actually,
so I think, thanks telling me go to the drift store. I
have to watch what you buy. I mean, this is what I have
to watch him now now that I have this FBI stuff looking at and I
have to see you. I mean, because this this is getting to it
is getting to me, Chuck. And I understand your point at thinking,
uh of how there's something like this get involved with my party, and in
half it's beyond humanton on a thing and what I'm saying, you can't oh
so so, and then on this that's crazy. It is. It's all
about uh, copyright, copyright, I mean copyright. People's watch the movement
aw you copyrighting? Yeah, I mean that's the point. That's the problem.
The podcasters demand this entertainment industry, you gotta you gotta change at some
point here something's gotta give. And then guys gotta give. Give the people
a fight to watch a movie without having to this problem that everybody's talking.
There must be an answer, there has to be something. Yep. So
this way, the only way it works is authorized podcast through the people that
control the media. And what they say is, you know what, we'll
let your podcast have it, but only the ones that they control and own
actually have free access to it, you see. Yeah, and Ray just
sent me something about fair use, which is like a thing within copyright law.
You can cite fair use, but that gets all of copyright law is
like just one giant gray area right like that. A few years ago,
it used to be, Look, if you're playing clips, you could play
clips, and as long as you're making commentary about it, you have free
you have free use, you you have open use. Right. The commentary
meaning is judging yeah, but you able to theoretically play some clips and then
talk about what you just watched, and that's acceptable. But that's what we
were doing. Yeah, I know. But yeah, but there's always a
but. But that's a lot of things. I hate these butts. Don't
get the simple get the woods out. There's what we want to watch something,
get it out and stop button. Uncle, I agree with you.
Look, me, me and side my show. But exactly like Peewee Herman.
Yeah, but me and sidekick agree with you. Yeah, me and
sidekick agree with you. You got to understand though, it's not us right,
it's not us at all. Me and sidekick, we absolutely agree with
you. But here's the thing. When he's saying, okay, it's supposed
to be fair use but you know what's after that. But about three hundred
pages, I kid you, not conditions, conditions relations can't watch Tae,
get this get the specialty lawyers and uncle, you know what, uncle,
this is interesting. Do you remember I know that Chuck will remember whence Winston
Conrad, who we've had on the show before you that name. It's been
a few years an attorney and he actually has a specialty in this area.
So you knows a bit about Oh I got it. We got a job
to do. Yeah, I got another job to do. So I need
to find him, find him about this. You had the point try to
get him on my show or your show or something to have this thing's up.
That's because that about doing this, trying to get these tapes to use.
Okay, So the last thing I'm gonna say about this, uncle,
I want you to know something is that Winston Conrad years ago, when he
hasn't been on your show in like five years, all right on five years
ago, Winston Conrad told us all believe it or not, on Aaron Show,
go back in the archives, that exactly the situation you're in right now
was going to happen to everybody because back then that fair use but wasn't three
hundred pages. It was only like three pages. And he said, you
watch what they're gonna do is create so many different regulations across the map that
you're not going to be able to do any of this anymore. Any of
this stuff, any content you create, you're gonna have to create it yourself.
And you better watch what you use because everything you use can be attached
to one of these copyright laws where you're gonna wind up having to pay somebody,
and that's all there is to it. So he warned us about this
on your show, that this was going to be the pig it. Now
you are telling us to play the thing. Well, we were all listening
to see okay. But see I knew about all this stuff because when we
first started the show. Yes, I told Aaron. When we first started
the show, I said, Eric, listen, everything that we do,
as far as the intro, the outro, the stuff that we played during
the breaks, all the stuff. We have to make it so there's no
copyright claims on it. That was one of my conditions with starting this show.
It's been so many years ago. I said, Aaron, whatever it
is you want to use, we have to use stuff that we know for
certain has no copyright claim. That's why when and by the way, I
could use those ten Gate songs again I miss those. Yeah, but you
don't have copyright. There's no copyright on it. I don't know what does
and what doesn't want since we're talking, that's the thing about this stuff.
And I play my own music on the network, right, all that music
you hear, you hear stuff that I know I played or stuff that I
am certain that the artist does not have a specific copyright thing out there,
so that we're gonna get hit from CD baby and the publisher and Apple and
everybody else coming to us saying, look, either stop doing this or you're
gonna pay us a lot of money. So I told Aaron we needed to
set up the shows so that we could keep them all and not have these
problems in the future. That was one of my condition for starting the show.
Remember erin, Yeah, yeah, I recall, And that's why we
have our own theme song, God yeah, because nobody else I understand that.
I understand. Yeah yeah. So this is one of these things that
we've had to be careful about the whole way through. Otherwise they'd be turning
around. Let's just say, you know, we use some song at the
beginning of Uncle. Even though you love the song, there might be a
guy coming to us. Listen, you did three hundred episodes with this song,
so you owe us three hundred times for this use. I see what
you're talking about, now, you know what I mean. And if the
guy turned around and said, look, you owe us ten bucks three hundred
times, that's still a lot Okay, we're gonna be paying three grand for
a piece of a song you wanted to use. So this is why we've
always been careful about this stuff and not playing copywritten material on the podcast.
That's why. Okay, ye, all right, anyway, I'm going to
shut up now because you know, I don't want to take over the show,
but I want to do, Uncle, to understand this, because this
is a very tricky thing that sidekick has to do to pick something that's not
going to be a problem and that you guys can use for even these live
streams unless you look at not entirely sure, but I try to. I
try to be careful. Nobody's perfect at this, Uncle, I'm gonna tell
you now, unless you're a lawyer, you're not perfect at this. But
Aaron's doing a good job. I just wanted you to know that, Okay.
Yeah, And actually it's part of my training. I I went to
school for media, didn't Yeah, And this was back in the early oughts
as they now call them, and I was my instructors. Uh. They
they tell you, like, look, you got to watch out for using
copyright material. We would do when you're taking a video class at school.
There's a project. You know, you always do projects like I'll make a
music video, take a song, and you know, put your own images
to it. That's fine for a student project, but they would tell you
like, hey, look, when you go out there and you like make
material, it don't mess around with anything that's copyright because you'll get hit for
it. And this was back then, so this was before you know,
YouTube even existed, Like this has long been a thing. But then since
the Internet came along and really changed into what it is today, it has
evolved. But yeah, I come from you know, I was instructed in
this quite a while ago, and so it's always been something that I look
out for. I question want to ask, you know, since you've been
into this system and knew how to do the tapes, how would you know
that it's not a copy? Well. One of the things about it too
is whether you yourself and your own media that you're you're making is bringing in
any money to begin with. If you're bringing in money, then that's when
the copyright owner will come after you. If you are if you're making material,
you're making media and using copyright material and you're not making any money,
it's it's useless to come after you. But again, the game has changed
a bit online where all it takes is like view count. Actually, if
you have like large view counts on YouTube or whatever platform, then you're using
you're using copyright material those view counts. The volume of traffic amounts to something
now and so it's it's just a different media sphere now it works differently,
and just the automated, the automated policing of this. The systems is digital
systems that can recognize and pick out copyright material on behalf of the copyright owner
so that they may get paid. That was like something you that was something
out of a sci fi movie when I was learning how to make media back
a couple of decades ago. But now it's here, so it's weird now.
Yeah, the songs that we listened to, for example, on on
the radio, on the phones or whatever. Uh, those are people's songs
that put I understand you don't have a copy is that is against the law
even trying to. I mean, you can't even go. Men, it's
the same thing, but it's the difference. It's the same difference as these
tapes in the same boat, like you're all talking about. That's it that's
it. That's it. Yeah, it's weird, but well, I think
if we watched certain videos will be fine. And actually I think the things
that are less likely to have any issue with copyright actually are in a way
more entertaining to watch than if we did even watch something like The Blues Brothers.
I think if we ended up watching The Blues Brothers on VHS watch party,
I think your and my commentary might be like, not it. It'd
be less a part of the watch party than if we're watching some obscure exercise
tape. It's gonna be us talking over the exercise tape to make it funny.
Whereas the movie, like The Blues Brothers or any big Hollywood movies so
engaging in and of itself that we just end up kind of watching it.
And honestly, that kind of happened with the Orson Wells movie. I kind
of got drawn into that and didn't talk as much as I would if we
were watching one of these. More me she took in as much. It
was a good movie that one. It was long too, But I don't
know. It's Uh, it's fun to watch tapes on a Saturday. Uncle,
We'll do it tomorrow. Press the button. Everybody go over to YouTube
and moss the button. Jimmy, what do you think about it? Blue?
Yeah, I agree that they got some real confusing policies and whatnot.
There used to be a thing that's broadcast over TV. If you tape that,
you can play it, do whatever. Same with radio. Yeah,
that's what I thought that now that to a degree. But then also like
even the old football games will be like, this is a presentation of the
National Football League. Any unauthorised reproduction is both that's clearly saying. That's clearly
saying on the TV right there that and that you I could understand because that's
clearly on saying that. Yeah, but they'veven had in the pravado. Even
discussing the game is illegal or supposedly, I guess what about the pain.
They say that you aren't even allowed to discuss the games. So all I
could say is whatever, I'll lead the first. Then how come these other
people are pending on them all the time and turning on the betting pack back
and forth a whole another can of worms, uncle, Because yeah, because
now you're getting into a giant sponsor of the NFL. Now, is that's
a sponsor well, yeah, the the gambling, all these weird gambling apps
and stuff has become one of the major sponsors in football. And that's a
whole interesting It goes even down conspiracy lane for people to quite a bit with
that one. But we could spend shows and shows and shows talking about that
alone. But yeah, that's a I know, I've heard a lot of
people complain it's like the death of football because of their marriage to these gambling
things. And I don't know, you know, this has been the first
time that it's gone to Vegas. Oh yeah, it's interesting the super Bowl
they never had it gone to Super Bowl in Vegas one and then now is
farting to come back. And now I'm saying, oh, now it's a
gambling thing. Yeah it aligns to that. Yeah it doesn't align, but
that doesn't it. Yeah, this one of it saying oh, yeah,
he's gambling, he's gambling this and scambling the games. Why can't they go
to Vegas and want a Super Bowl? I have noticed that there's been a
lot of ads on TV and the news stories and air quotes online or on
TV saying about like, oh, the turnout in Vegas is huge. Everybody's
come out to town to see to see the game, and obviously not everybody's
there with the ticket, but they're shown up anyway. It's a big ad
for Las Vegas tourism, obviously bare minimum. I think it's again like everybody's
saying, here money, it's the money in vob of it, money in
vove with it that that saying, okay, let's bring them in. I've
always I've always wandered a rumor that they already got like they're gonna choreograph like
a part in the fourth quarter where Taylor Swift a pointed or belly and start
rubbing it. Oh, here we go slipped down. Yes, tell,
that's a whole nother angle. That's a completely different story. You talking to
his girlfriend and boyfriend down down the field. You know what's gonna happen in
dude, Dang Jimmy, you know what's happening. I knew it was a
trial. I heard she said I'm pregnant. Okay maybe, and they're gonna
focus the whole fourth corridor on Taylor Swift and not even barely. Well,
look with the last you sure you heard that? That is tough. That
is tough operation. He's sitting here what top operations and having a kidd.
Be sure somebody's having a kid. That's gonna be quite a game. The
last five minutes of the show is here. I always love that part of
the NFL something to talk about it, Yeah, yeah, but I always
loved the last part of the NFL, Major League Baseball whatever. Disclaimer that
says any reproduction, rebroadcast images, accounts, descriptions or accounts. I love
that part of it, descriptions or accounts. So basically, whenever you report
on this, if you talk about the game, if you distribute the game,
if you have any pictures from the game, you're not supposed to use
them anywhere at all without the express written consent of the NFL, Major League
Baseball whatever. Right. You know how this ties back to our watch party
or VHS watch party? Uncle is a couple of weeks ago, we watched
a sports Highlights VHS tape and none of the highlights were from professional league sports.
They were all from college level or under. Oh that's true. Because
of this, that's why Wait a second, what it was didn't no NFL,
Nope, no NFL, no NBA. Yeah, it was all college
and that is true. I've noticed that it's been the latest second one that
we saw. Second. Yeah, I forget what the title of the video
was, but it was it was sports is Something. Yeah, sports is
something, and it was sitting there and it was all called college things.
Nothing but the NFL. Nope, there were guys who ended up going to
the NFL. But maybe it was a game in the NFL. But that
was all. But it didn't have much to say about it. No,
there was nothing. There was nothing from a clip from NFL, nothing from
Major League Baseball, nothing from NHL, nothing from NBA. Some of it
was high school games. Most of them must have in college. Yeah.
So and some of some scary stuff too, I've noticed that. Yeah,
it was the same reason. So back then they made that tape with clips
that they were able to get away with because they were right. They were
like public domains. And now I see, yeah, I understand, now,
I understand this. Now we're getting there. Thank you. Figure it
out? Uncle? Should we should we have Jimmy do a shout out?
And you want to do that? Oh? Oh, it's time only I
think out there. See I told you, we get something done. Okay,
Jimmy, who you got for a shout out? Hold on, I'll
shout up to the late Gaston Glock, who passed away at age ninety four
over a month ago, but no one's ever mentioned it much. Mister Glock
of course found it his beautiful handgun, the glock the good man. What
did lot? No one shoots that gast time. Very be careful not to
sing that, uncle, or I'll get hit with a copyright violation. Oh
on these things, I know you these things. We can draw steamboat Willie,
but we can't sing that song. Uncle. Do you know that?
Uncle? That chicken man? Forget about him too again? Oh shanat to
older people. Only the United States have been listening to me. Sure,
hope you come back next week you'll be listening. Or even if you want
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Tune well you shout out to Oh I'm shying out, Well you're not
here yours? Uh sure you don't know. I'd like to thank the Academy
for their fleet of lawyers. That they employ to go after anybody any kind
of scofflaws that try to rip off a good, honest industry doing good work
that pays their people, and they wouldn't be able to pay anybody if crime
ran rampant and intellectual property was not respected. How about that for law and
order? Uncle? How's that for a devil's advocate? I don't know.
This is getting to my thinking now. Yeah, I know, I'm down
and be with us. Tomorrow Saturday, we'll watch something and we'll watch something
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a show three hundred and three to three rebe