WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.640 --> 00:01:34.599 At at Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this live 2 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.719 stream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. I can't thank you enough for joining us 3 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:46.079 for the show. In most cases, dogmen eyewitnesses or port things that would 4 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.200 point towards dogmen just being flesh and blood creatures that are out there in the 5 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.040 woods trying to scratch out a living. But every once in a while you 6 00:01:53.120 --> 00:02:00.400 have an eyewitness come by the way that talks about certain things that point towards 7 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:07.680 the possibility that maybe these guys aren't just flesh and blood creatures out there, 8 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:12.639 animals out there trying to scratch out a living. Tonight's guest Dave, is 9 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.199 a perfect example of that. Without wasting any more time, though, let's 10 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:22.639 get him in here so we can find out more. Dave, thanks so 11 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.479 much for joining us. Well, thanks for having me. Oh you know 12 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:31.919 you're welcome. Dave. Please give us a brief bio in yourself. Oh 13 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.680 well, my name is David. I am in the forties. I work 14 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:43.000 in customer service and in the sugar industry, sugar supply industry. I live 15 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:49.360 in the South suburbs of Chicago. Nothing real, super remarkable into camping with 16 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:54.199 my family and being outdoors, and really that's just that's just about it. 17 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:02.520 You're a very nice guy who's obviously very well rounded. If you just spoke 18 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.719 with someone on the street, I mean, you'd be probably the last person 19 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.680 that you'd ever expect to have experiences like the ones you're gonna share with us 20 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:16.479 tonight to talk about. But these experiences, they happen to anyone, any 21 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:22.280 place. There's no rhyme nor reason, so it's pretty hard to figure out. 22 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:28.000 Dave, all of your encounters except one have strong supernatural elements to them. 23 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.759 With that in mind, though, are you convinced that dog men are 24 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:38.479 supernatural beings? You know? And since I've had these encounters and been doing 25 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.319 a little bit more research on them, I think that from stuff that I've 26 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.439 read, I think they could be. It could kind of go either way, 27 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.960 you know. I've heard many instances where people see them and like you 28 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:55.120 describe flesh and blood, actual physical animals, but then in the case of 29 00:03:55.400 --> 00:04:00.520 mine, more and more of the supernatural aspect of it. So you know, 30 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.639 it's your guess is as good as mine. I mean, I've I've 31 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:11.800 always been open to believing in you know, and that there's more out there 32 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:17.759 than we really know. So, I mean, there's definitely definitely things living 33 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:26.439 behind the shadows that are not explained in my opinion anyway, there definitely are 34 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.480 things out there like that. Unfortunately, speaking of strange things. On my 35 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.720 other show, one of my other shows, My Pure Normal Experience, I've 36 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:40.879 got a couple of good guests lined up. One of those guests is going 37 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:46.439 to be coming on and talking about a batman that he saw he was looking 38 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.759 through his telescope late one night. I guess he was star gazing, maybe 39 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.639 checking out the moon or something like that, when all of a sudden you 40 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:58.199 notice this strange creature flying really high in the sky that it looked like a 41 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.079 cross between a bat and a man. And if that's not unnerving, and 42 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:05.360 if that doesn't make the heir and your butt stand up, what he talks 43 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:12.319 about happening after he noticed it, definitely will. So Yeah, that episode 44 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.399 should be Earrings soon, maybe next week, if not next Friday, then 45 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.360 the friday after that. It's an episode you definitely don't want to miss. 46 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:25.839 But back on point Dave, when someone new comes into your life, how 47 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.680 long does it normally take before you start trying to decide when and if you're 48 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.040 going to tell them about your dog man encounters. Oh, you know, 49 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.759 honestly, it's not not something I usually lead with. And you know, 50 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:40.920 if I do get convinced to talk about it, because obviously there are people 51 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.680 in my life that I that I have told you know, close friends and 52 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.079 you know, told around campfire stories, and I think that some of them 53 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.759 probably think that it's just some spooky thing that I tell, you know, 54 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.040 when they're like, hey, David, tell you tell about your you know, 55 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:55.920 your your experiences, I get mixed reactions. You know. Sometimes people 56 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.360 are like, oh, yeah, you know that's that's that that really happened. 57 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.079 But but like I said, it's it's not usually something that I that 58 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:05.879 I that I lead with because I have gotten quite a bit of skepticism from 59 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:11.800 people on it. So it's it's something I say for those that are that 60 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.360 are closest to me, that you know, that that are really interested in 61 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:19.079 learning more about it or you know, asking genuine questions about it and knowing 62 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:23.040 more about it rather than just you know, something spooky to tell around the 63 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:28.800 campfire. I can definitely understand why you're careful about you tell about your experiences 64 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.959 too. Yeah, that's that's a good move. You started having dogged me 65 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.720 and encounters at an early age. How old were you though when you had 66 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:43.839 that first encounter. I was right about nine or ten. It was about 67 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.639 around in the late eighties, so like eighty seven or eighty eight was the 68 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.759 first first one that I remember. That's an early start to really early start. 69 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.360 What's been the most profound change in your life that was directly related to 70 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:04.040 having that experience at such young age. Well, I mean, obviously it's 71 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:10.199 just talking about it and just kind of coming to terms with, you know, 72 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:15.240 having had the experiences. It's definitely in which we can probably get into 73 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:20.399 a little later. Definitely changed my dreams because I still do you know, 74 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:27.600 when I uncovered more more memories about them. I do dream about them sometimes. 75 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:32.240 So that's something that's I wouldn't say newer, but but newer newer since 76 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:39.199 I really kind of started digging into it a little bit more. Has it 77 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:46.040 been a while since you've had a dog men related nightmare? I wouldn't necessarily 78 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:54.040 call them nightmares. I would say that they're you know, they're dreams that 79 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:58.279 that where they you know, are present. But no, I mean it 80 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.199 probably honestly the last one that I can remember it was within the last couple 81 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:09.839 of months. But uh, they're not They're not always nightmares, I should 82 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:15.199 I should put it that way. They're sometimes just just regular, regular dreams 83 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.920 where they where the dogmen are are present, I should say. So it 84 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.439 sounds like you're not still plagued by these nightmares. No, no, not 85 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:30.759 not. It's not always, not always unpleasant. Oh, thank goodness for 86 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.240 that. Yeah, that's a lot more than some eyewitnesses can say. That's 87 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.399 a lot more than most eyewitnesses can say. So, yeah, if that's 88 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.000 the case, that's definitely a good thing. Definitely. Well, Dave, 89 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.480 please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal last detail that 90 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.720 comes to mind. Sure, absolutely so. Like I said a few minutes 91 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:56.559 ago, like the first one that I really remember was when I was about 92 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:01.720 nine or ten. Was some time, so we were my family was having 93 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.320 a cookout at my grandma's house, which I spent a lot of time out 94 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.440 there. So it was probably around dusk a little bit a little bit earlier 95 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:11.440 than that may because there was still a decent amount of light in the sky. 96 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.480 I was just playing ball with my cousin, and the way that my 97 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.840 grandma's house was set up, you know, down her side yard. She 98 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:24.600 had a old chain link fence around the whole thing in the sideyard led to 99 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:30.320 the backyard where there was an unused an alley, so it was kind of 100 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.799 overgrown with weeds and brush and stuff, and thus kids were not allowed to 101 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.919 go back there because you know, it was just she thought it was dangerous 102 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:39.840 and broken bottles and things like that. She didn't live in the best neighborhood, 103 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:46.600 to be honest. So we're playing ball in the yard and my cousin 104 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.559 tossed it a little bit too high or you know, or too too wide, 105 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:52.799 and I kind of rolled to the back so I ran back to grab 106 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:58.039 it, and as I was picking it up, I noticed that there was 107 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.399 some rustling in the in the weeds back there in the alley, and of 108 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.720 course, being nine to ten years old, I had to go take a 109 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:09.759 peek and see what it was. And what I originally thought it was was 110 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:15.960 an injured animal, because I could see that it was from where I was 111 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.799 standing. For my vantage point, I could see there was dark kind of 112 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:24.200 brown for and so you know, I got a little closer because then I 113 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.039 was concerned it could have been one of the neighbors dogs or something like that. 114 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.039 And as I kind of crept a little closer, I noticed that it 115 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:37.519 was much bigger than I originally thought it was, So it was, you 116 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:45.720 know, about the size of a man. And so I sort of stood 117 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:46.879 there and looked at it for a few minutes, just kind of trying to 118 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:52.799 wrap my ten year old mind around it. And I noticed that it seemed 119 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.080 to be injured because it wasn't standing up, it was lying kind of in 120 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:03.679 a prone position, and it is using the fence sort of kind of kind 121 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.320 of hard to describe, but I think about, you know, grabbing, 122 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:09.480 grabbing, you know, your hands with the chainling fence and sort of dragging 123 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.559 yourself along with it. You know, that that's really what it was doing. 124 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.360 And I could see that it was covered in fur, and then its 125 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:24.360 hands were reminiscent of a man's, but more more animal like. I didn't 126 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.440 get a great look at the you know, the head, or the or 127 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:33.679 the face or anything, but it definitely wasn't just a normal person. And 128 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:35.759 so I, you know, stood there and sort of watched it for what 129 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.480 seemed like forever. It was at that point that was one of the most 130 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.799 terrifying things that I'd ever experienced, and I just sort of watched it and 131 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.960 I just I just I really couldn't process it. You know, it's watching 132 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:54.240 this, this seemingly injured monster really is what it what it seemed like, 133 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.879 you know, kind of dragging itself along. And so then after a little 134 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.919 while, I ran up front to grab my cousin, and when we went 135 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.600 back there, it couldn't have been more than a minute or two lateran uh, 136 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.720 it was it was no longer there. Like we were of course not 137 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.600 going to go back into the alley because we weren't allowed to, so but 138 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.480 yeah, just it just wasn't there anymore. And we you know, talked 139 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.559 about it, of course, as kids do. And he was just a 140 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.399 little bit older than me, so you know, he's calling me, of 141 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.440 course, telling me that I'm lying and I'm making it up, that I'm 142 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:30.120 just trying to scare him. But you know, I mean I I described 143 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:31.639 it to him and told him what it was, and you know, of 144 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.759 course we made plans to go back there and take a look and see what 145 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.799 it was, but it never that never materialized, and and then it just 146 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.000 sort of, you know, it kind of fell out of memory, like 147 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:46.759 I didn't think about it much after that. Then that was that was that 148 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:54.159 was the first time that I that I saw something And that was one of 149 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.080 the I guess, man, I want to say one of the only because 150 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.759 it's hard to tell, you know, with the other encounters that we get 151 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.320 into, but it was it was one of the times that I that I 152 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:09.000 knew it was like physical, like it was an actual something that was that 153 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.399 was there, like if I had reached out, I would have been able 154 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.519 to touch it, that it would have been a physical like you said, 155 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.120 flesh and flesh and blood being. But that was, you know, that 156 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:24.919 was that was the first time. All right, take your time, and 157 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.759 whenever you're ready, please tell us about the other ones. Yeah. And 158 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.960 then so the next time that I'm that I have a solid memory of it 159 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.559 was I was in high school, so I'm thinking probably nineteen ninety three, 160 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:45.320 ninety four, somewhere around there. I'd come home from school and this was 161 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.480 probably fall, I think that I had been I was going to go to 162 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.200 some sort of an event after school. So I came home and uh, 163 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.320 you know, grabbed myself a snack and you know, got into into my 164 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.120 room. I don't think my parents weren't home yet, but I got in 165 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.960 my room and just was going to take a nap before a friend came to 166 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:09.159 pick me up or or whatever was the plan. So I had my bedroom 167 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.399 door, my legs were off, my bedroom door was opened, so the 168 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.440 light from the from the rest of the house was coming in, so there 169 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.559 was you know, I could still see the interior of my room. It 170 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:22.399 wasn't pitch black or anything. And I was kind of dozed off, and 171 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.960 when I did wake up, I'm not sure how much time had passed. 172 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.879 It didn't seem like very very much. When I did wake up, the 173 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:37.200 room seemed occupied, I guess, I should say, and I was having 174 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.159 difficult like I could I could still see light, but it was it was 175 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.919 kind of obscured, and so it took me a few minutes to figure out 176 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:46.080 what was really I say a few minutes, probably just a few seconds to 177 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.840 figure out what was going on. And then and when my when I guess, 178 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.759 when my eyes kind of got accustomed to what it was, I noticed 179 00:14:54.919 --> 00:15:03.879 that there were probably about four or five five of these dog men standing around 180 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.519 my bed. So there were they were, you know, standing up right 181 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.919 like like human, but they this time I could see their their heads, 182 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.840 and they were, you know, they had the long snout kind of taller 183 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:26.799 standing up ears. They were they were all very dark. For I don't 184 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:28.840 remember if they had tails, because I can't. I don't remember if I 185 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.639 could. I just don't have that either, that memories and it doesn't exist 186 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.360 anymore. I just didn't see that that part of them. It was a 187 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:45.120 little foggy. But that time I didn't feel fear, but I did have 188 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:50.759 like a vague feeling of like being observed and and sort of left with a 189 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.480 hard to describe it, but almost like a feeling of I don't know, 190 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:02.519 just being I hesitate to use the word violated, but but observed in sort 191 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:08.120 of almost a threatening way is what it felt like. So it's just kind 192 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.759 of hard to pinpoint how, you know, the how that feeling was. 193 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.519 So I sort of laid there and and watched them a little bit and and 194 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.840 and you know, they were just observing. It was really the best way 195 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:30.000 I can describe it. And then I I either dozed back off or you 196 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.240 know, just kind of closed my eyes and just to kind of think this 197 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:40.000 can't possibly be happening. And then and then I heard my mother was in 198 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.360 the house at that point. I remember hearing her in the kitchen and when 199 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:47.000 I when I opened my eyes, I was alone, so the room was 200 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.879 empty. You know, my mom comes in. I think she you know, 201 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.559 checked on me to see what my plans were, uh, And then 202 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:59.720 I think I just sort of wrote it off as as a nightmare. But 203 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.480 now you know, now that I'm I'm an adult, and I've kind of 204 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.400 done a little bit more research. I mean, I definitely have have I 205 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.599 know that they were there. I know that that that was an actual experience 206 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:18.559 that happened, and like I said, the strange, like the feeling of 207 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:22.319 being observed was rather unnerving at that at that point, and I can still 208 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:30.119 kind of remember what that felt like. And then the the next And I 209 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.359 guess you're saying more recent is relative because it's still probably about ten years ago 210 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.279 or more like, I'm sorry, twenty years ago. I forget how old 211 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.839 I am. Sometimes flash forward to that time. I live on my own 212 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:48.920 at this point in my love and in the same neighborhood as is where my 213 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.799 grandmother lived and where my where my parents live and all that. But I 214 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.079 have my own house and after work, I am I'm out with some friends 215 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:02.519 and my boyfriend at the time to my husband. Now, we were heading 216 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:07.359 home and just kind of chatting along the way, and the neighborhood that I 217 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.720 grew up in was sort of wooded, so this, you know, got 218 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.640 this kind of long stretch of road that's you know, got houses on one 219 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.839 side and a lot of woods on the other. And so we're driving down, 220 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.799 heading towards the house and it's a little like misty, kind of foggy 221 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:30.440 out and up ahead. I can't even tell you that what, you know, 222 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.240 what the distance was. My head lights hit on something, and at 223 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.640 first I thought it was like just some trash or something like, you know, 224 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.039 some debris in the road. As we get a little bit closer, 225 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.279 I think, oh, no, that's got to be and that's an animal, 226 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.400 you know. I thought maybe someone had hit a deer, because we 227 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.440 had a lot of deer around. And then I get closer and I even 228 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.400 even closer. I'm slowed down at this point, and at this point he's 229 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.480 he's noticing that I'm slowing down, and then he notices that there's something in 230 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.920 the road as well, and and then I think, oh, gosh, 231 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.000 a dog, you know. I mean, it's because I could see the 232 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:06.119 head, and at this point I can see the tail, and it's sort 233 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:08.400 of looks like it's standing there. But I think, all it must be 234 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.559 injured some you know, feeling sad at that point. And then I as 235 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:19.640 as we get slowed down to nearly a stop, it uh sort of looks 236 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:25.720 over at us, uh and and it's it's big. It It stands up 237 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.960 on, you know, on its legs, and it's it's got to be 238 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:36.480 like over six feet tall, more like grayish for this time, but the 239 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:41.279 the you know, snout in the ears. It's gotta it's got a tail. 240 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.359 I can see the legs, or before it was I wasn't able to 241 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.200 see that this time. It just it's kind of the the epitome of what 242 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.960 you would think of as a dog man. It just looks looks sort of 243 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:56.680 like a werewolf, but I've never really referred to them as that. But 244 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:02.960 and it just sort of turns and looks at us. And at this point 245 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.000 I'm at a dead stop. We're not talking, we're just you know, 246 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:12.759 kind of and this standoff, and then it turns to sort of like what 247 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.599 what I would think would be like a motion to run, like it's going 248 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:21.200 to, you know, dart off, and then it just sort of wasn't 249 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:25.079 there anymore. Like it was almost like the mist kind of blew, you 250 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.119 know, around a little bit, and then it just it wasn't there. 251 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.519 So not really like watching it run away. It just was there and then 252 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:37.559 it wasn't. So it felt while it was standing there, it felt like 253 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.680 it was physical. It looked like it was physical. But then but then 254 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.920 it wasn't anymore. I wasn't there anymore. And so I turned to him 255 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:48.880 and I said, before I say anything, I need you to tell me 256 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.200 exactly what you saw. And he described, He described exactly what I said 257 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.319 to you. He saw the thing. He thought it was an injured animal, 258 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.279 because you know, he didn't notice it until until we were a little 259 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.720 closer to it. And then he told me what he saw. And that 260 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.319 was the time that sort of triggered the rest of the memories for me. 261 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:11.559 It all sort of flooded back, like we went we went back to the 262 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:18.559 house and talked about it a little bit more. And I remember the time 263 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.039 when I was at my grandma's house. I remember the time that I was 264 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:26.000 that I was in my bedroom when I was in high school, I did 265 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:32.079 remember a few times when I when I had dreams of those encounters, those 266 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:37.759 specific encounters, and then it triggered a deeper, sort of weirder memory. 267 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:45.759 Well, you know, I some people consider it weird. So my uncle 268 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.279 were pretty eccentric. My uncle was a barber, and he had an old 269 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.559 barber chair in their den. Uh. He had a lot of you know, 270 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.599 they had an old piano down there, just really kind of odd nick 271 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.880 knacks. He collected a lot of really cool old stuff. He had an 272 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:04.880 old phone booth down there as well, the kind you'd find more like in 273 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.079 a in a bar not so it was like wooden. It wasn't like an 274 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:12.480 outdoor one. He claims that he got it at an auction and there was 275 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:18.599 a bank in a bank of phone booths that were in the old LaSalle Street 276 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.319 train station in Chicago. And you know, he had to take this at 277 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.200 his word, he said, he claims that you can see it because it's 278 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:29.519 part of the movie North By Northwest was filmed there. So he claims you 279 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.920 can see the phone booth in the movie. And I mean, sure enough, 280 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.839 if you look at the movie, those those those types of phone booths 281 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.720 are in it. I can't I couldn't be able to prove to you if 282 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.839 if that was one of them or not, but they're definitely in the movie. 283 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.279 So I used to play in it when we'd go to my aunt and 284 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.079 uncle's house. It was my mom's sister and they were really really close. 285 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.440 So I play in it. And I don't have any memories of what I 286 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.880 would do when I was in it, but it just it sprung to my 287 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:57.599 mind. So I called my mom the next day and I said, hey, 288 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:00.839 you remember that phone both and she's like, yeah, it's still there. 289 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.400 She's still you know, they still have it. And I said, 290 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.640 tell me about what I used to do in there. And she's like, 291 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.240 oh gosh, you know, what is that? How long ago was that? 292 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:11.200 You know, I don't remember used to go and you playing it? 293 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.000 You know, you'd close the door and that would trigger like the light to 294 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.960 come on and there was almost like an exhaust fan. And she's like, 295 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.839 you'd just go in there and you just play in it for for forever, 296 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:26.000 you know, and you loved it and we have no harm, no foul, 297 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:27.480 So we just left. Let's let you play around in it. And 298 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.200 I was like, well, did I say anything while I was in there? 299 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.599 Did I make believe? Did I do anything like that? She said, 300 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.759 to be honest with you, you sort of would go into it like 301 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.400 almost like a trance. You'd sit in the little bench in there, and 302 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.400 you'd you know, kick your legs and kind of chatter to yourself, and 303 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.920 you know, uh, they say chatter, you know, just kind of 304 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.039 talk and you know, play and we just thought you were, you know, 305 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.319 playing make believe. She's like, but you wouldn't really do much of 306 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:57.960 anything other than just sitting there, and we just thought you enjoyed it. 307 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.880 Now and she's like, I'll ask your aunt. I'll tell you what I 308 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.079 what I come up with. And I'm like, okay, great. So 309 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.440 a couple of hours later she calls me back and she says, I remember, 310 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:12.799 Aunt Nancy, we talked about it. You used to go in there, 311 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.519 and when you would come out, you would always tell these you wouldn't 312 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.480 wouldn't really tell stories, but you would. You would say that you went 313 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:29.079 to visit the puppy people. And it sort of made my blood run cold 314 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:30.839 a little bit. I was just like, I wish I had memories of 315 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.599 what I was doing when I was in there, Like you know what what 316 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.920 was I playing. What was I thinking, you know, did I did 317 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:42.880 something that I do open a door for them or something like that. But 318 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.119 yeah, she said there was a I would I would tell her about that 319 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.079 there was a puppy dog land, and then I would play I would visit 320 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.400 the puppy people. And she's like, that's all you really ever said. 321 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.200 You didn't have any details or any specifics or we just thought you was just 322 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:04.480 a you know, a little kid with a the vivid imagination. So there's 323 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:08.400 there's nothing really remarkable about the phone booth. I do have it, by 324 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.720 the way, I bought it from my aunt and uncle. It's in my 325 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:17.200 garage. But yeah, so that that that kind of ties it together. 326 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:18.359 And when I have told other people, they're like, I don't see what 327 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.680 that has to do with anything, But to me, it definitely ties it 328 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:29.440 together. It's where they came from in my experiences anyway. It's it's how 329 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.079 they got to me. And I don't know how to explain that, and 330 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.640 I don't know what that means to to some people, but but that's how 331 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.880 I view it. I view it that. But that going in there somehow 332 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.839 created some sort of a link, and so so they could either watch me 333 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.119 or or or I don't know, maybe they were maybe it was just more 334 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:53.240 of a playful thing. But but that's that's definitely the link that brought it 335 00:25:53.279 --> 00:26:00.519 all together. And I haven't had any quote unquote physical experiences since then, 336 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:06.319 but I still do dream about them. Sometimes it will be a dream specifically 337 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:10.319 about one of the experiences. Sometimes it will be a dream specifically about them. 338 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.759 Sometimes it will be a dream that's completely unrelated to them, but they'll 339 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.440 just be there. Say just say, for example, I'm I have a 340 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.599 dream about having breakfast with a relative, and one of them will be just 341 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:32.079 sort of off in the background. I still remember, this is something I 342 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.359 should have mentioned this earlier. I still can remember what they smelled like when 343 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.319 they were in my room because that was the closest proximity that I was to 344 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.920 them. And sometimes that kind of smell will just hit me a little bit 345 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.920 and it'll just it sort of gives me, you know, gives me the 346 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.519 chills, because that's when I did have that slightly threatened feeling when when they 347 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:55.960 were there. But yeah, so that's that's kind of it. That's kind 348 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:00.000 of kind of all of the all the specific instances is uh, in the 349 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:07.599 and the interesting phone booth story. So those are my those are my encounters. 350 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:14.240 That's kind of it. Yeah, those are quite a few experiences. 351 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.319 That's kind of a funny way to put a button on it. Yeah, 352 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:18.839 that's what I mean. It's you know, like I said, I mean, 353 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.359 I still get a lot of skepticism. I still get people that are 354 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:23.839 like, oh, you were you know that this time was a dream. 355 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:26.440 You were you know, it was just some injured animal in the alley and 356 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.799 it ran away before you got a chance to get back there. And the 357 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.559 thing that you and Gary saw in the in the you know, the street 358 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.079 was probably another injured animal or it was a geer and you guys were you 359 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:42.440 know, just having some sort of you know, delusion. I don't know 360 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.359 if that's you know, but you know, I get like I've accepted the 361 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.359 fact that not everyone is gonna is going to believe it, and you know, 362 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.079 or being you know, or or even accepted. You know, some 363 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.759 people are like, Nope, you're just you know they I've had people literally 364 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.279 just tell me you're you're lying, You're trying to get to some attention, 365 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.079 or you're trying to get somebody, you know, you're trying to spook somebody 366 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:08.119 around a campfire or you know. But I believe it, and Gary saw 367 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:12.440 one with me, So I guess that's all that matters, you know. 368 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:17.400 It is though you're gonna have people who believe you, you're gonna have people 369 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.160 who don't. But if they don't believe you, that's them problem, because 370 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:25.119 you know the truth. You know, they happen. These experiences happened, 371 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.160 and that's all that matters. And I know from talking with you that you've 372 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.799 already got that mindset. So that's a good thing. That's that's really good. 373 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.519 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I uh, I believe it, 374 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.960 you know, and and that is, like you said, that's that's that's 375 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.359 all that matters, you know. I mean, I have these I have 376 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.400 these memories. I mean I can I remember them, you know, some 377 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.279 of them like they were yesterday. But but yeah, I don't, I 378 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:55.480 don't. I don't. I don't have anything to gain from from making things 379 00:28:55.559 --> 00:29:00.279 up in this particular instance. Anyway, You more than leave these experiences, 380 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:06.680 you live them, so you know they happened. Absolutely, absolutely, that's 381 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.920 right. I've got some good news for you, Dave. We've got some 382 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:15.400 really good questions ready for you tonight. Really good questions. The first one 383 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:22.519 I want to throw it you's from Andreas Chrisales and Andres wants to know how 384 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.920 bad was the injury to make this dog me a limp? See that I'm 385 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.559 not sure of. I didn't. I didn't get that close. I mean 386 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:30.400 I was close to, you know, on the other side of the fence, 387 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.680 but I didn't really see what the what the injury was, and it 388 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.000 was it was it was less of a limb and more than more than just 389 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.599 almost almost sort of incapacitated because it wasn't standing at all. It was just 390 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.680 sort of like, you know, like I said, lying in the alley. 391 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.400 So I don't know if it was you know, if there were more 392 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.400 of them and one of them injured another, or if like I said, 393 00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.799 unfortunately my grandmother didn't live in the in the best neighborhood, so I mean, 394 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.440 who knows really what it could have hurt it self on in that alley. 395 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.079 I know, for the longest time there was an old junk truck back 396 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.319 there, so I mean, I guess I could have injured itself on that 397 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.720 if it was back there, But but I don't, I don't know. 398 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.960 I don't know. I don't know what that what actually caused the injury, 399 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:18.599 That would that made it incapacitated. It might have gotten hurt on the truck. 400 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.720 Some of the homies might have tried to let the wind out of the 401 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.240 dog men. You never know what could have happened. You never know, 402 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.480 that's right. Anything can happen in the hood though. Yeah, yeah, 403 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:36.960 right, that's right. We've got cryptid royalty in the live chat tonight. 404 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.680 Dal Santo Riga asked the next question. As far as cryptied researchers, go 405 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:47.680 Al's right at the top of cryptied researchers. I mean, this guy has 406 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.000 been out there beating the bushes for a long time. He knows a lot 407 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:57.519 about these guys, from dog men to sasquatch to ghosts and other paranormal phenomena. 408 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.319 Yeah, this this in here really knows this stuff. So it's really 409 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.559 an honor to ask this question. This question is, Dave, the ones 410 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.559 around your bed, what color were their eyes? You know, I that 411 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.319 it was like I said, it was, it was dim in the room. 412 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.559 There was there was definitely no I know people I've heard of people describing 413 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:23.039 them as like, you know, almost glowing, and there was nothing like 414 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:30.079 that. But uh, I mean I didn't. I didn't really see because 415 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.559 it was it was dim in the room. So I mean, I'm gonna 416 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.920 have to say that they were, you know, probably just similar to to 417 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.640 a regular dog, you know, sort of like uh, I mean, 418 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.279 I have I've got two dogs now. One of them has kind of a 419 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.119 gold gold color eyes and the other one has you know, just sort of 420 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:49.200 a solid dark dark brown, almost looks black. So they were they were 421 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:56.519 dark, they weren't. You know, I didn't notice any anything abnormal about 422 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.880 them. I should say nothing, nothing, nothing that seemed supernatural, like 423 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.279 nothing glowing or back later or anything like that. So much time has passed 424 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.400 between now and when this actually happened that you probably don't remember, but I 425 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:14.039 want to throw this out there for you. Anyway, years ago, I 426 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.519 had a ghost experience in my bedroom late one night. I was laying there 427 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.519 and all of a sudden it was actually New Year's Eve. I was laying 428 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.519 there, and it was late, it was probably between two and three, 429 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:34.440 and for some reason, you know when you're laying in bed late at night 430 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.079 and maybe you just turned off your lamp or something like that. Well, 431 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.799 maybe five minutes after you shut it off, you hear the metal in it 432 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:46.519 expand or maybe contract, and you hear that the clicking right that. Yeah, 433 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:50.759 however you describe that sound, I was going to say clicking, but 434 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.359 it's like a tink or however you put it. Well, that's what I 435 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.640 heard. I heard it. I can't do it. But I was laying 436 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.440 there and all of a sudden ting and then all of a sudden, this 437 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:12.599 form, this shadowy like figure over by my bedroom door just appeared. So 438 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.240 I'm laying there and I'm blinking, and I'm trying to make sure Okay, 439 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:21.720 I'm not just seeing things. I'm not dreaming and imagining all this. Well, 440 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.400 no, it just everything I did to just poopoo it, none of 441 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.400 it worked. It was right there. So I'm just laying there looking at 442 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.000 this thing. I'm afraid to take my eyes off of it, because if 443 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.480 I do, then okay, where did it go? If I don't see 444 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:42.799 it? Well, I blinked and it was just gone. Do you remember 445 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.759 again, Like I said, I know it's spent a long time since that 446 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.279 experience happened, But do you remember ever hearing any kind of a tink or 447 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.160 a sound like that before? They appeared. No, No, not that 448 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.400 time. No, because like I said, I had laid down in my 449 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.759 room and I turned off I didn't have a uh well, I shouldn't say 450 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.880 I didn't have I had like a floor lamp in there, but I just 451 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.440 was just using the overhead lamp, you know that the ceiling lamp, the 452 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.480 ceiling light, and I turned it off before I before I laid down. 453 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.599 But I don't recall, I don't recall hearing anything anything like that. Something 454 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.079 must have woken me up though, because you know, I mean at that 455 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.800 point, I did have a dog, but she lived outside, so she 456 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.280 was she was not I don't think she would have been very happy if that 457 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.599 if she was in the house at that point. But no, nothing, 458 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.239 nothing along those lines or anything like that. It was just, you know, 459 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:37.960 I was just sort of a woken by something. And then that's when 460 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.079 I it took me a moment to kind of focus because the light, the 461 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.719 light was still coming in, but it was obscured. And the reason that 462 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.480 it was obscured was because, of course, one was kind of standing in 463 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.480 between the in between me and the and the partially opened door where the light 464 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.000 from the rest of the house was coming in But no, no, none 465 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.159 of the tink. The fact that something woke you up. That's one of 466 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:08.039 the connections I was making between an experience in mind, because probably no more 467 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:15.559 than no more than five ten seconds or so before I experienced that, I 468 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.760 was sound asleep and then something just woke me up. It was weird. 469 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.760 It just woke me up. No explanation for why I was awake now, 470 00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.880 just something woke me up. And then as I'm laying there trying to figure 471 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.760 that out, I guess that's when I heard the tank and then I see 472 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.760 that figure over by the bedroom door. So yeah, I was kind of 473 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.800 wondering looking at the connections between our two experiences if maybe you might have buy 474 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:44.159 some long chance heard that. No, no, nothing, nothing that I 475 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:45.280 remember. But but like you said, it was a very long time ago. 476 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:51.360 I was in high school and that has been too long ago. Well 477 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.119 you're an old man. You're in your forties now. Yeah, yeah, 478 00:35:54.280 --> 00:36:01.159 those are the fifty than forty old timer, right. That's it. The 479 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.960 next question is from Johnny B. And John wants to know do you think 480 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.880 that they're inter dimensional. I've actually thought quite a bit about this because of 481 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.480 the connection with the phone the phone booth aspect of it, uh, and 482 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.000 the fact that that the one that we saw on the street didn't, you 483 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:24.400 know, felt almost I don't want to say felt, but seemed almost not 484 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.320 physical, you know, not flesh and blood. I think that that's a 485 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.360 definite possibility like that, that the that the phone booth was something that was 486 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:38.239 able to allow them to kind of come through or or or maybe they don't 487 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:43.119 even need that, but but that's what they used. So yeah, absolutely, 488 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.880 that's that's something that I have that I've considered and talked to you know, 489 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.559 friends and family about that. I think that they're they're able to kind 490 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.920 of move freely between different you know, sort of planes of existence. That 491 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.119 sure would explain their ability to do a lot of the things they do. 492 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:02.400 So yeah, you're probably right right. This next question is from Vanessa, 493 00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:08.159 whose question or questions I missed last week somehow. Her question is any idea 494 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:14.440 how the dogman got inside your house? And that's a that's a good question 495 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.000 too, and I think it kind of goes along with with the last question, 496 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.079 is that I think that they that that they're there probably don't at least 497 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.360 the ones that I've experienced don't really have those physical constraints, like they can 498 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.199 just kind of kind of be where they where they want to be, which 499 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.239 makes it a little bit of, you know, a little nerve wracking because 500 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.719 the other two were were definitely specifically outside and then and these we were in 501 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.039 the house. But yeah, I think I think it was more like a 502 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.199 uh, you know, they they wanted to take a peek at me, 503 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.719 and and you know, whatever they were observing or looking for, they that 504 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:52.800 you know, that's where I was, and that's where they wanted to be. 505 00:37:52.880 --> 00:38:00.280 So they just they created their own way. And I guess kind of 506 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.320 a disconcerting thought their ability to seemingly wink in and wink out of pretty much 507 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.440 any place they want to go. Yeah, not good. Looks like the 508 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.199 truth is the next question for you. Truth wants to know. Did Dave 509 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.880 smell anything during the whole experience the ones in my room? Yes, I 510 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.360 can't think I mentioned that a little bit. Sometimes I'll get almost like a 511 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:29.440 memory, you know, a memory of of that. It's hard to explain 512 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.519 though. I mean I've always had dogs, and sometimes you know, dogs 513 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.960 get a little funky. Sometimes shoot, they're dirty or they've been you know, 514 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.840 if we've been camping for a week and they're you know, we're not 515 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:45.599 really bathing them regularly. But this was like a very musky smell. Ah, 516 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.280 much much heavier than you know, than than you know, what you 517 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.719 probably have on just like a house pet or something like that. But okay, 518 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.440 I don't know, just like like I said, just sort of a 519 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:06.800 musky an animal smell. Not like it's not nauseating or anything like that. 520 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.840 It's it's just you know, it's definitely like if you smell you'd probably be 521 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:14.079 like, oh, that's what is that? You know, kind of a 522 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:21.840 heavy too, so what this is going to be a gross thing. So 523 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.159 we had a we had a it's the only way that I can kind of 524 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:30.199 explain it. We had a dog that always had to have it. You 525 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.079 know, they have oil glands, so they had to have its its glands 526 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.280 expressed because they get like blocked up and they kind of smell almost like a 527 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.440 there's almost like a fishy smell. It's kind of gross, but it was 528 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.159 like that, but but like heavier. It's almost like a like a like 529 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.119 a like a scent gland, I guess, but not not like not like 530 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.239 in a skunk way, but just a heavy kind of musky animal smell. 531 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:59.400 Did that musty smell linger after they disappeared or did it disappear when they did? 532 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.119 It was? It was? Yeah, I was definitely there a little 533 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:04.000 bit, and like I said, I can, I can remember it, 534 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.760 and sometimes sometimes I can, you know, I don't want to say. 535 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.440 I mean, I guess it could be I get to catch a catch a 536 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.039 whiff of it, but then I'll ask, you know, if somebody's around, 537 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:15.599 I'm like, oh my gosh, what does that smell? You smell 538 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.800 that? And then people are like, no, I don't smell anything. 539 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.519 And it's like, so, I'm not sure if it's just like me remembering 540 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.000 it and then, you know, kind of tricking my brain into smelling it. 541 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.239 But but it did. It did linger a little bit in my room 542 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.239 after afterwards, and I think that's why I was able to sort of remember 543 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.679 what it smelled like, because it was there for a bit. I think 544 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.760 that if you have a smell like that in your bedroom, I don't think 545 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.039 for Breeze is going to do much good, right exactly. I mean I 546 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:43.199 was a teenager, and you know teenagers are kind of gross, so but 547 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.719 I don't think. I don't think I was that bad? Wait a minute, 548 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:50.000 I wasn't gross when I was a teenager. Oh you were. You're 549 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.360 a better man than I. Maybe a little bad. Anyway, I've got 550 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.119 another question for you from deeed Truth, and he wants to know could Dave 551 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:06.719 hear breathing either time again? The time in my bedroom was was a long 552 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.400 time ago, and I was kind of sort of shocked when I when I 553 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:15.199 noticed them there. So I don't specifically recall. I almost think that I 554 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.039 did it with the one in my grandma in the alley at my grandma's house. 555 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.960 I feel like that was part of the reason that I that I thought 556 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.800 it was injured, just because it sounded it sounded kind of injured. But 557 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.599 I could definitely hear the motion of it pulling itself and you know, kind 558 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.840 of being in the grass and everything. But but you know, there's there's 559 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.480 nothing that I can like really pinpoint like that was breathing. I mean, 560 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.360 it could have just been the you know, kind of ambient noise of being 561 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.440 being outside. Like I said, it was definitely summertime, so it was 562 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.559 you know, crickets and cicadas, and you know, it was that that 563 00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.320 time of that time of year. But in my bedroom now I don't. 564 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.519 I don't remember anything. And then then the third time we were inside the 565 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:02.239 vehicle while it was outside, so definitely nothing there. I can't remember a 566 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.360 show. We've done a live stream WHEK. We've had so many great questions. 567 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.840 The questions tonight are just amazing, such as this next one from Lily 568 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.519 Lewis, Lily wants to know, Dave. Do you think that you were 569 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:22.320 marked energetically somehow? I have. I have thought that for sure that there 570 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.199 is a reason, some reason that I've yet to uncover or if I ever 571 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.079 do that, that they are interested in me. I don't know what it 572 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.559 is. I've I was I'm honestly happy to be on the show because I 573 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.840 thought maybe someone would have a similar experience and then could maybe share something like 574 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.360 that. But but I've definitely, I've definitely had that in my mind before 575 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.000 that there's there's some some reason that they that they were interested in something that 576 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.800 attracted them to me when I was playing in the phone booth and that and 577 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.000 that made them want to be near me or observe me in some some way 578 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.360 or another. Unfortunately, I don't have I don't have a a satisfactory answer 579 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.280 for that. I don't have a you know, a specific reason why that 580 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.480 would be, but it's definitely something that i've that I've thought after having those 581 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.639 experiences in the phone booth, I'm surprised you kept it in your house, 582 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.760 that you you took possession of it. I would think you'd want to get 583 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.119 rid of the thing. But yeah, it's always you know, I mean, 584 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.840 it's always been. Honestly, it has been, even even you know, 585 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.360 with the with these experiences, it's it's been part of a memory in 586 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.079 my life that that was a really good, a really good memory. I 587 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.960 always enjoyed going to my my uncle's house. I always loved being there with 588 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.239 them. They were amazing, fun people. Uh, And so I always 589 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.440 you know, I mean, I just just having it. Not not only 590 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.679 is it a kind of a cool nostalgia piece for me, you know, 591 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.920 part of my childhood, but then it also does have this sort of, 592 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.800 uh, you know, sort of creepy aspect. When I brought it here, 593 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.760 I didn't tell any of my my camping friends, and then they met 594 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.360 us here one one weekend. They're getting ready to go, uh, and 595 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.159 my friend walked into the garage and he was like, is that is that 596 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:13.440 it? I was like, yeah, yeah, Bett, all right, 597 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.679 Well, I'm staying away from it, and I've got a little note on 598 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.360 it. I need to restore it. It's it's in pretty rough shape. 599 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.000 It's it's they moved it to the garage when they when they redid their their 600 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.480 den, and so it's got a little bit of water damage on the bottom 601 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.639 and I need some TLC. But it's it's it's gonna come into my basement 602 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:37.400 eventually. But uh, yeah, it's it's. It's it's part of part 603 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.039 of my growing up. It's it's it's a good memory overall. No, 604 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.760 I understand why he kept it. Yeah, that makes sense. I just 605 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.679 might have done the same thing myself, being sentimental the way we both are. 606 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:53.800 Apparently, that's right. Candy Pierce wants to know did the dog man's 607 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:59.679 eyes glow at all? Candy, he already answered that for the encounter and 608 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.280 his bedroom. Is that the encounter you're asking about or a different one? 609 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:09.519 Please let me know. The next question for you is from Shamon Shannon Umenezer. 610 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.039 I'm sorry, Umanzor, and Shannon's question is as an adult, has 611 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:20.679 he been back in the phone booth in sat to see if anything happens, 612 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.920 believe it or not. Even though I do have possession of it, I 613 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:32.039 have not gone inside of it. I'm I'm I was curious about it. 614 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:36.920 But I think that, uh, I think that I am also a little 615 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:43.800 nervous. I don't know why. I mean, I just like I said, 616 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.599 it's probably fine. But but I haven't, you know, I mean, 617 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.920 I've I've got some there's some stuff. There's some stuff stored in it, 618 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.800 Like the packing material that I brought it from my aunt and uncle's house 619 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.239 is in there because it was stuffed it so that the door wouldn't flop around. 620 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.719 And it's got He bought some replacement stuff for the fan, like a 621 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.119 new motor and everything like that that he bought years ago and never installed, 622 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.679 So that stuff is in there. But but no, I have not. 623 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.679 I have not gone back into it. I mean other than you know, 624 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.119 other than the fact that kind of like reaching into to stack the stuff in 625 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.840 there and kind of keep it when I put it in our truck to bring 626 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.280 it over. But no, I have not. If I do, and 627 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.559 something happens, I'll certainly let Vic know so he can update you guys. 628 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.800 Yeah, please do hopefully nothing will happen, but if it does, yeah, 629 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:36.079 I want to know about it, that's for sure. This next one 630 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.400 is from truth Iris and truth Iris wants to know. I'm wondering if Dave's 631 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:49.840 experiences I'm wondering if Dave experiences psychic flashes of events, if you mean like 632 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:54.320 events that you know, the experiences of these specific events, it will have 633 00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.880 deja vu occasionally generally, like if I do like that, when when I'll 634 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.280 have a memory of that smell that kind of hits me, it will kind 635 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.920 of kind of take me back a little bit to that, to that specific 636 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.000 experience in my room. If so, if that's what you mean, then 637 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.280 then yeah, I guess that would I guess I would say that that I 638 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.679 will have that. But to me, it's always it's always just felt more 639 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.800 like more like deje vu, kind of a Dajevu situation. But I experienced 640 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:29.400 that a few times. Yeah, I figured you might have it. Looks 641 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.400 like we have more Cryptid Royalty. In the live chat, Brian from Red 642 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:38.920 Dirt Cryptid Investigations is joining us. He's another investigator who really knows his stuff 643 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.679 and if you haven't checked out his channel, his YouTube channel is red Dirt 644 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.119 Cryptid Investigations. Like I said, please do be sure to check it out. 645 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.119 This next question is from Al Santa Riga. Al wants to know did 646 00:47:53.119 --> 00:48:01.639 all the dog men have Huh, that's all you typed. That's strange. 647 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:05.960 Yeah, if you can finished that up, Al, then I'll ask the 648 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:12.800 rest of the question there. That's strange. Let's see. Okay, you 649 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.639 finished it up later on by saying, question what type of legs did the 650 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:22.559 dogman have? Oh? I love this question because I specifically remember like the 651 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:29.360 ones in my room I couldn't see, but the one in the street that 652 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.679 that kind of made me a little uh. It was a little eerie because 653 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:36.920 when it stood up, it had it had like dog dog legs like what 654 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.159 you would think of, uh, you know, not like man legs like 655 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:44.599 you know or our hips straight down to our knee and straight down to the 656 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.599 floor. They bent like a dog. They you know, kind of went 657 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.679 down with a kind of heavier thigh and then sort of bent, you know, 658 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.239 sort of like backwards. I guess what we what we would think of 659 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.679 backwards. So definitely like like how how a dog's legs bend, not like 660 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.960 a man. That is a good question. He's got another good one for 661 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:08.679 you. He wants to know al Santo Rico, of course, is who 662 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.280 I'm talking about. He wants to know where were the years located? And 663 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:20.360 all the dog men they were. Uh so I kind of liking it too, 664 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.199 like a kind of a bigger dog. I had a like actually a 665 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.679 husky when I was growing up, and how hers were like sort of like, 666 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.480 uh tall they were they stood up, they were They're tall, but 667 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.960 like not on the very top of the head, but sort of like coming 668 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.559 out from the side and then and then you know, standing up at that 669 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:45.519 point, and then you know they can't like one I remember the ones in 670 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.119 my room. Uh somebody drew it actually a really cool kind of a comic 671 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.079 book for me, and they made him. They gave him each different kinds 672 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.199 of years. Like one of them had sort of floppy years, and one 673 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.679 of them was standing up and the other one was laying down. But the 674 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.440 actual ones that I experienced had they were all kind of standing standing straight up, 675 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:07.000 but you know, sort of like kind of hard to explain, like 676 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:08.559 if you think of a husky or a German shepherd, how their ears are 677 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:15.159 always kind of at alert. It was like that I see. Well, 678 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.800 the next question for you is Ruth g and Ruth wants to know how scared 679 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.159 were you? And did it smell very bad? I'm sure she's asked. 680 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.199 She must be asking about that encounter when you were in bed. You answered 681 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.480 the part about smell, But how frightened were you? It was pretty scary. 682 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.880 It was pretty scary, like I said it was. It was more 683 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.599 shocking at first, just because I was when I realized what was going on, 684 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.119 When I realized that the reason that the light from the rest of the 685 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:51.719 house was obscured because there was something physically standing there. I I think I 686 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.519 was nervous because just because it was just like, what's what is going on 687 00:50:54.599 --> 00:51:01.000 here? But uh, I think I explained a little bit for the prevailing 688 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:07.840 feeling was just sort of like a vague and again I hesitate to use the 689 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:14.639 word violated, but just a vague like sort of like uneasy like feeling of 690 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:20.559 being observed and just sort of being I guess, like I don't know, 691 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.199 if you ever if somebody ever said something kind of off and weird to you 692 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.039 and you just kind of get that weird feeling, You're like, what the 693 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.119 heck is that you know, like that's kind of gross, Like it just 694 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.239 made me feel a little weird, like a little less less scared at that 695 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:35.519 point than more. Just like, I guess uneasy is the best term I 696 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:40.199 can really come up with. I can understand why you would feel uneasy. 697 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.800 Wake up and see something like that in your bed, right, Yeah, 698 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:51.239 that's going to get your motor running. We've got more Cryptid royalty in the 699 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.760 live chat. Looks like Jessica the Cryptid Huntress has joined us. If you 700 00:51:54.800 --> 00:52:00.400 haven't checked out her YouTube channel, please do so. Another one with great 701 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.320 content looks like y'all see Anto Riga has next question. He wants to know, 702 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:13.400 Dave, do you have psychic abilities? Not that I could ever really 703 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.360 that I would ever, like pinpoint, I mean, I wouldn't say that 704 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:23.159 I can you know, read anyone's mind or or or anything like that. 705 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:29.320 I mean, I'm pretty in tune with people's emotions. I can generally, 706 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.239 you know, feel like when somebody's if someone's you know, angry or upset 707 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.360 and they're they're trying to hide it, you know. I mean, some 708 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.039 people are better at that than others. But uh so, I mean, 709 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:44.480 if that's if that's kind of you know what you're talking about. I mean, 710 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:45.519 I guess I would say yes on that a little bit. Like you 711 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:52.360 know, well, emotionally open to other people's feelings, I'm definitely I have 712 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.039 a lot of empathy. So like when someone's sad, I feel sad too. 713 00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.920 If someone gets elated on something, I share in that, not just 714 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.920 you know, to the extent of where I almost can't help myself. So 715 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:09.599 so I guess maybe I do a little bit. Thanks for answering that question 716 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:14.400 for us. I've got another one for you from Ruth G. And Ruth 717 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.079 wants to know did you tell anyone about your encounter or did no one believe 718 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:24.039 you? I've told quite a few people, you know, close friends and 719 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:29.599 family, you know. I remember one of the first times I told the 720 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:35.800 whole story front to back was at a camping trip and it was my husband, 721 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.559 well my boyfriend at the time. He said, hey, you wan, 722 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:42.360 don't you remember that thing that we saw? You tell everybody the rest 723 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.519 of that stuff. He's like, that was kind of kind of interesting. 724 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:45.920 So I told a group of people, and you know, of course everyone's 725 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.599 like, oh my gosh, it's so scary, and so I feel like 726 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.239 some people believed it, and you know, there are people that made a 727 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:53.400 point to say like, hey, I really believe in this kind of stuff, 728 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.880 and there were other people that just you know, really didn't comment on 729 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.639 it. But yeah, I've told quite a few people I was. I 730 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:05.519 enjoy telling it around campfires, like you know, when there's new people around, 731 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.239 not only for the to get people's opinions on it, but also you 732 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.480 know, just you know, I mean, I enjoy storytelling and I you 733 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:15.400 know, get the creepy aspect of it, and you know, you're kind 734 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.800 of in the middle of the woods around a campfire. It can it can 735 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.960 add that that extra little yeah, spooky to this to the already spooky night. 736 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.079 But yeah, there definitely have been people that have, you know, 737 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.920 blatantly told me I don't believe that. I think you know, either you're 738 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:37.920 you're mistaken or or you're you know, be asking me. Hopefully not people 739 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.119 who've known you for any period of time, because if they are people who 740 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.199 have known you for quite a bit of time, they should know better. 741 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:49.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are people you know, my my, 742 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:58.119 I think the the what I what I've gotten a few times are which you 743 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.039 know, it's still kind of not necessarily a I believe you. It's more 744 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:06.280 of I believe that you believe it. Like I'm not saying that you're making 745 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.559 it up. I don't necessarily believe it, but I believe that you you 746 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.079 believe that you experienced this, so like you know, an affirmation, but 747 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:19.639 also with a you know, a sidebar. Well. I can appreciate them 748 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:25.239 thinking that for just the ordinary Joe Blow, but you're coming across as being 749 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.880 very pragmatic and you think through probably almost everything. I don't think you just 750 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:36.360 jump to conclusions about things. If these people, if they have known you 751 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.840 for any period of time, they just must have a really bad they must 752 00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:45.000 be really bad judges of character, if that's a conclusion they came to about 753 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:50.960 you. Well, these these are more like you know, more extended friends, 754 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.440 you know, maybe more acquaintances than my actual you know, close friends. 755 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.440 My actual close friends are really subbortive on you know, of each other 756 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.920 and of me and everything like that. So these are just you know, 757 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.360 people that I've maybe told that I don't that aren't really in my in my 758 00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.719 close inner circle. Oh I see, okay, that makes sense. I've 759 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:16.119 got another one for you from jameson blooney sandwich. Oh man, a baloney 760 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:22.480 sandwich. That sounds awfully good right now. Anyway, his question is, 761 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:29.719 do you think they're a sort of necessary evil? Well, I guess that's 762 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:35.760 kind of a difficult thing to answer. I mean, they must have some 763 00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.480 sort of purpose. I mean, I don't really know what it is. 764 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:44.880 I mean, they even though they were there, and they were, from 765 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:51.360 what I gather, sort of observing me and you know, potentially almost certainly 766 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.039 observing other people as well, I don't know what they're what they're purpose for 767 00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:58.559 being here is. So so you know, as far as being necessary, 768 00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:02.440 I'm not sure. And I mean, you know, I really don't know. 769 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.719 I mean, I'd like to know what their purpose is. I'd like 770 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.119 to know if you know, what the if they are, if they are 771 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:15.400 a necessity to us, kind of the behind the scenes. Like I said, 772 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.920 there's always something I always, I firmly believe there's always always something behind 773 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.639 the shadows that we can't that we can't see and maybe won't ever really know 774 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:27.960 what their what their purpose is. Yeah, that's a question I don't think 775 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:32.119 we're ever going to know the answer to. So I agree. Martie Clifford 776 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:37.000 wants to know, do you think dog men choose a specific person to see 777 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:43.400 them or is it random? And in my case, I think definitely I 778 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.679 was I was more chosen than than random. I mean, I can't really 779 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:52.360 speak to people that have had a more physical sighting, you know, out 780 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:58.880 in the wild, I guess you'd say, But yeah, for for me, 781 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:04.719 as far as I am concerned, I do believe that they were specifically 782 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:09.400 interested in either being near me or observing me in some way. So I 783 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:17.880 think that that was That was definitely I guess, I guess more of a 784 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.639 choice rather than just a random selection. That makes two of us. I'm 785 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.920 pretty sure it wasn't random either, so I agree. Now, this question 786 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:35.119 is one you definitely don't have to answer. It's totally up to you whether 787 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.239 you answer this one or not, but if you decide you want to answer 788 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:43.480 it, the truth wants to know is Dave a believer in God? If 789 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:50.440 so, did he call out or think about help from higher up? That 790 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.400 is a that's a loaded question, but I will answer truthfully. I am 791 00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:02.440 an atheist and at the time I don't really I didn't really think of anything 792 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.639 other than you know, what was you know, right, in my general 793 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.639 vicinity. I wasn't thinking of anything like that now, you know, saying 794 00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.360 that, I do realize that, you know, it's difficult to say, 795 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.800 you know, I don't necessarily believe in uh, you know, in quote 796 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.320 unquote God, but then they're all, you know, but then also believing 797 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:29.320 in some other, you know, supernatural things. But I I do firmly 798 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.360 believe that there are other things, you know, other powers and other things 799 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:37.719 out there that are you know, unexplainable. But I was I just to 800 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:43.880 be perfectly honest, I was never really raised with religion in my life, 801 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.679 and you know, as an adult, as a I kind of did some 802 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:54.039 research on it and and and just came to the conclusion that that atheism is 803 00:59:54.039 --> 01:00:00.519 is my belief system. If you're an atheist at any time in your life, 804 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:07.519 have you ever played with a Wigi board? I have. Yeah. 805 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.760 Did you know that there seems to be a connection between people who have played 806 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.039 with one and dog Man encounters? Oh? Really? I did not know 807 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:22.280 that. Yeah. Yeah, when I asked that, I'm sorry, Well, 808 01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:23.039 I I apologize it for me to cut you off, But I have 809 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:30.480 I have one from when I was a teenager that we that we used to 810 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.159 play around with at parties, and I actually still have it. It's in 811 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:37.199 my closet upstairs with the rest of my memorabilia from my youth. Wow, 812 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:43.239 still nails. You'd be surprised when I ask Dogman eye witnesses that question. 813 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.199 There's been a long time since I've asked that question, but for a while 814 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:50.159 I would make a habit to ask that question when I would talk with the 815 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:54.119 new eye witness. But you wouldn't believe the percentage of people who answer yes, 816 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:58.840 Yes, I have played with a Wigi board at one time. It's 817 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.519 kind of sticks in my though. I mean more times than I could shake 818 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:06.199 a stick at. I've asked that question and they say, no, no, 819 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:09.800 I've never played with one. Well there was a one time. Then 820 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:14.480 they'll qualify that by saying, well, besides one time in high school, 821 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.599 but that was only for like ten minutes or whatever. And I'm thinking, 822 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:22.719 oh my gosh, that is playing with one then right, absolutely, yeah, 823 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.519 but there does seem to be a pattern. Like I said, This 824 01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:31.639 next question is from Carol Hansen, and Carol wants to know what made you 825 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:37.679 feel the dog men surrounding your bed were angry. I don't necessarily think they 826 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.280 were angry. It just I felt I just felt uneasy just because of the 827 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:44.239 situation, you know, just having them, you know, like I said, 828 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.280 four or five of them just sort of observing. I don't think they 829 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.440 I don't think they intended any harm. I think it was just the like 830 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.440 I said, just the situation that made it made it kind of, I 831 01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:02.519 guess, scary, and gave me that uneasy feeling, that sort of the 832 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:07.079 feeling of being you know, observed, like you see, you know, 833 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:09.679 I mean this is you see like movies about people being abducted by aliens and 834 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.119 they're being you know, they're just all sort of standing around and watching. 835 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.360 It's just sort of an odd, creepy situation. But yeah, I mean 836 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:21.880 I don't I don't necessarily think that they were angry. I mean, I'm 837 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.760 not sure what they would have done. If they had been, I might 838 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.079 not be here to tell you the story. Yeah, if they're angry, 839 01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.000 I'm sure you'd know it. I don't think that would be a mystery, 840 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:36.960 Like you said, Denise c asked a question that you've already answered. She 841 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.400 wants to know, do you ever go into the phone booth anymore? If 842 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:44.039 so, does anything happen? Well? Dave told us a bit ago, 843 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.519 Denise that he hasn't gone into it. He has stuck a leg in there, 844 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:52.280 but he hasn't gone into it. The next question is from Ruth ge 845 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:59.000 and Ruth wants to know did the dog men ever growl at you? Not 846 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:00.960 that I can recall. Uh. I, like I said, a little 847 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:07.199 while ago I in in the in my room. They were pretty silent. 848 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.800 I mean, just more of an observational situation than the one in the street. 849 01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.119 We were inside the vehicle and he was it was out. Uh. 850 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:20.599 And then the one in the alley, you know, other than potentially you 851 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.960 know this just the sound of it, of breathing, which I can't even 852 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.440 really pinpoint. It was more of the you know, the ambient sound of 853 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:31.480 being outside, like the grass is moving from it, from it pulling itself, 854 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.440 and being in the in the alley, and then just you know, 855 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:38.079 the outside sounds of the summertime evening. But no, I don't I don't 856 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:43.840 ever recall a growl. Well, thank goodness they didn't growl. If they 857 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.599 would have, that would have just stepped things up even more. It was 858 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:52.000 already intense. Yeah. Andras Carrizales has the next question, Andres wants to 859 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:57.519 know, did you get any impression of age, like one seemed young or 860 01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:02.320 old? Actually, that's a really good question because the one, the last 861 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:08.079 one that I saw, the one that was in the street, that that 862 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:14.920 Gary saw with me, did seem like it was older, like it seemed 863 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.599 because it was like the other ones had the like brownish or black darker For 864 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.719 the ones in my room, it was difficult to tell because it was dim 865 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:25.880 in there, but definitely darker color coloring, and the other one was more 866 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:31.760 of a kind of a gray, and it gave me the impression of more 867 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:36.519 maturity. I guess I would say that is something that's something I haven't really 868 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.480 thought about. And so you asked that question. That's interesting. That was 869 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:43.840 a really good question. Like I said, a lot of good questions tonight, 870 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.920 looks like the truth is up next. And wants to know. Have 871 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:53.760 these experiences influenced Dave to not go into the woods not a bit. I 872 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:59.880 camp constantly. We are, We are avid campers. We are always hiking. 873 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.639 I just love being outside, you know love you know where we live 874 01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:10.519 now, where we chose to build our house in kind of our neighborhood is 875 01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:12.960 obviously it's still a neighborhood, but it's still, you know, surrounded by 876 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.519 woods. There's a wooded trail that cuts through our neighborhood. I actually, 877 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:20.039 I love being outdoors and the woods don't don't make me nervous or have not 878 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:26.719 deterred from going there in any in any way. So no, it's it 879 01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:31.400 hasn't hasn't changed my view on that at all. That's great. As young 880 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.239 as you are, it'd be a shame if you didn't go out and enjoy 881 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.920 the woods and just live your life and do what you wanted to do. 882 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:43.079 So yeah, that's music to my ears. This next one is from encryptid 883 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.519 Common Sense, and they want to know, Hello, David, were there 884 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:53.760 caves and or water sources nearby where I grew up? No caves. I 885 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.639 grew up in Northern Indiana, so in Chicago Land area, not too terribly 886 01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:01.360 far from where I'm at now. But but I've always lived near rivers. 887 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:06.599 We live near multiple rivers now, and where my grandmother's house was just a 888 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:14.880 few blocks away was a river. I'm trying to think near my parents' house 889 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:20.320 there are a couple of ponds not too far away, but nothing like incredibly 890 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:24.119 close. Like I said, it was a few blocks away from my grandma's 891 01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:29.360 house where the river. Where the river is, But you know, no 892 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.199 caves definitely. Well, they're found in a lot of places where there aren't 893 01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:38.079 caves nearby. They don't necessarily need them, but if they're in the area, 894 01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:42.320 they will seem to utilize them. So something to keep in mind. 895 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.440 Johnny b. A is kind of more of a general question. He wants 896 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:49.480 to know do you think that there is a war between dogmen and rakes. 897 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:56.519 My witnesses have reported seeing dog men going after rakes and rakes fighting with dog 898 01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:59.719 men. Maybe there is something to that. Maybe there is a war going 899 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:01.519 on, but yeah, there's no way for us to know about that. 900 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:08.840 All we can do is pretty much guess. Unfortunately, let's see, I 901 01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:14.760 had another question queued up. This one is also more of a generalized one. 902 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:19.679 Eleon the Pharaoh wants to know is dog man a spiritual entity or a 903 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:24.400 biological being? Well, yeah, that's a million dollar question. All we 904 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:28.159 can do is guess as far as what the answer is to that, no 905 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.719 way to know for sure what the answer is, so hope that answers your 906 01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:38.800 question. The next question for you, Dave is from Night Scale. The 907 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.400 gaming dragon, and they want to know, Dave, how smart do you 908 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.000 think they are? Do you think that it truly wanted to kill and eat 909 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:50.840 you? I felt like they were pretty smart, you know. I mean, 910 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:56.639 the ones that were in my room seemed more interested in observing, not 911 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.920 harming. I don't feel like at any point I was in any dan. 912 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:05.440 I mean, obviously there was that feeling of vague, you know, you 913 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:10.039 know, uneasiness just because of the situation. Again, but I don't feel 914 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.639 like I was I was threatened in any way. I definitely didn't feel like 915 01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:17.680 they wanted to harm me, Like I said, it was just I felt 916 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:25.279 it was more an observe observation situation. It's understandable you'd come to that conclusion 917 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:29.319 because if it wanted to harm you, they had your dead rights. Yeah, 918 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.920 they sure did. I was nowhere to go, Yeah, definitely. 919 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:38.640 Well we're coming up on the seventy minute mark, and it has been a 920 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.560 long day. I've been locked in here all day in the studio, so 921 01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.560 I'm going to get ready to call it. But before I do, do 922 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.359 you have any closing comments you'd like to share? No other than just thanks 923 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:54.359 for having me and thank you to your to your viewers and listeners. I 924 01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:59.079 mean, this has been a great experience. Everybody has has had such great 925 01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:02.159 questions. Some of them made me actually think about things that I hadn't thought 926 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:08.640 about, or have ideas on these that I hadn't even considered before. So 927 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:13.880 I just wanted to thank you again for having me on and it was a 928 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.720 great time. I had a lot of fun. Well I'm glad you had 929 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.920 a great time too, I know I sure did also. And yeah, 930 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:23.319 like you said, the great questions tonight, they just added to it. 931 01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:28.399 I'm really impressed by those questions. But having said that, Dave, thanks 932 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.000 again so much for coming on and sharing the details of all those experiences with 933 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:35.279 us. I really appreciate it. You're very welcome. Thank you, Oh, 934 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:39.800 you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a great night. 935 01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.640 Well. I can't thank all of you enough, nearly enough for listening to 936 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.520 the show, for supporting the show the way you do, for supporting the 937 01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:54.199 eyewitnesses the way you do. Thanks again so much for tuning in. And 938 01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:58.840 also if you've had a dog man related experience as citing that is, and 939 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:00.439 you'd like to speak with me about it, or if you'd like to come 940 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.199 on the show and share your experience. All you need to do is just 941 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:10.000 go to dogmanthecounters dot com and submit a report. And if you do that 942 01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:14.520 then I'll be more than happy to schedule a film conversation with you. But, 943 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.560 like I said, thanks again so much for listening in. Have a 944 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:18.119 great night.