At at Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this live
stream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. I can't thank you enough for joining us
for the show. In most cases, dogmen eyewitnesses or port things that would
point towards dogmen just being flesh and blood creatures that are out there in the
woods trying to scratch out a living. But every once in a while you
have an eyewitness come by the way that talks about certain things that point towards
the possibility that maybe these guys aren't just flesh and blood creatures out there,
animals out there trying to scratch out a living. Tonight's guest Dave, is
a perfect example of that. Without wasting any more time, though, let's
get him in here so we can find out more. Dave, thanks so
much for joining us. Well, thanks for having me. Oh you know
you're welcome. Dave. Please give us a brief bio in yourself. Oh
well, my name is David. I am in the forties. I work
in customer service and in the sugar industry, sugar supply industry. I live
in the South suburbs of Chicago. Nothing real, super remarkable into camping with
my family and being outdoors, and really that's just that's just about it.
You're a very nice guy who's obviously very well rounded. If you just spoke
with someone on the street, I mean, you'd be probably the last person
that you'd ever expect to have experiences like the ones you're gonna share with us
tonight to talk about. But these experiences, they happen to anyone, any
place. There's no rhyme nor reason, so it's pretty hard to figure out.
Dave, all of your encounters except one have strong supernatural elements to them.
With that in mind, though, are you convinced that dog men are
supernatural beings? You know? And since I've had these encounters and been doing
a little bit more research on them, I think that from stuff that I've
read, I think they could be. It could kind of go either way,
you know. I've heard many instances where people see them and like you
describe flesh and blood, actual physical animals, but then in the case of
mine, more and more of the supernatural aspect of it. So you know,
it's your guess is as good as mine. I mean, I've I've
always been open to believing in you know, and that there's more out there
than we really know. So, I mean, there's definitely definitely things living
behind the shadows that are not explained in my opinion anyway, there definitely are
things out there like that. Unfortunately, speaking of strange things. On my
other show, one of my other shows, My Pure Normal Experience, I've
got a couple of good guests lined up. One of those guests is going
to be coming on and talking about a batman that he saw he was looking
through his telescope late one night. I guess he was star gazing, maybe
checking out the moon or something like that, when all of a sudden you
notice this strange creature flying really high in the sky that it looked like a
cross between a bat and a man. And if that's not unnerving, and
if that doesn't make the heir and your butt stand up, what he talks
about happening after he noticed it, definitely will. So Yeah, that episode
should be Earrings soon, maybe next week, if not next Friday, then
the friday after that. It's an episode you definitely don't want to miss.
But back on point Dave, when someone new comes into your life, how
long does it normally take before you start trying to decide when and if you're
going to tell them about your dog man encounters. Oh, you know,
honestly, it's not not something I usually lead with. And you know,
if I do get convinced to talk about it, because obviously there are people
in my life that I that I have told you know, close friends and
you know, told around campfire stories, and I think that some of them
probably think that it's just some spooky thing that I tell, you know,
when they're like, hey, David, tell you tell about your you know,
your your experiences, I get mixed reactions. You know. Sometimes people
are like, oh, yeah, you know that's that's that that really happened.
But but like I said, it's it's not usually something that I that
I that I lead with because I have gotten quite a bit of skepticism from
people on it. So it's it's something I say for those that are that
are closest to me, that you know, that that are really interested in
learning more about it or you know, asking genuine questions about it and knowing
more about it rather than just you know, something spooky to tell around the
campfire. I can definitely understand why you're careful about you tell about your experiences
too. Yeah, that's that's a good move. You started having dogged me
and encounters at an early age. How old were you though when you had
that first encounter. I was right about nine or ten. It was about
around in the late eighties, so like eighty seven or eighty eight was the
first first one that I remember. That's an early start to really early start.
What's been the most profound change in your life that was directly related to
having that experience at such young age. Well, I mean, obviously it's
just talking about it and just kind of coming to terms with, you know,
having had the experiences. It's definitely in which we can probably get into
a little later. Definitely changed my dreams because I still do you know,
when I uncovered more more memories about them. I do dream about them sometimes.
So that's something that's I wouldn't say newer, but but newer newer since
I really kind of started digging into it a little bit more. Has it
been a while since you've had a dog men related nightmare? I wouldn't necessarily
call them nightmares. I would say that they're you know, they're dreams that
that where they you know, are present. But no, I mean it
probably honestly the last one that I can remember it was within the last couple
of months. But uh, they're not They're not always nightmares, I should
I should put it that way. They're sometimes just just regular, regular dreams
where they where the dogmen are are present, I should say. So it
sounds like you're not still plagued by these nightmares. No, no, not
not. It's not always, not always unpleasant. Oh, thank goodness for
that. Yeah, that's a lot more than some eyewitnesses can say. That's
a lot more than most eyewitnesses can say. So, yeah, if that's
the case, that's definitely a good thing. Definitely. Well, Dave,
please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal last detail that
comes to mind. Sure, absolutely so. Like I said a few minutes
ago, like the first one that I really remember was when I was about
nine or ten. Was some time, so we were my family was having
a cookout at my grandma's house, which I spent a lot of time out
there. So it was probably around dusk a little bit a little bit earlier
than that may because there was still a decent amount of light in the sky.
I was just playing ball with my cousin, and the way that my
grandma's house was set up, you know, down her side yard. She
had a old chain link fence around the whole thing in the sideyard led to
the backyard where there was an unused an alley, so it was kind of
overgrown with weeds and brush and stuff, and thus kids were not allowed to
go back there because you know, it was just she thought it was dangerous
and broken bottles and things like that. She didn't live in the best neighborhood,
to be honest. So we're playing ball in the yard and my cousin
tossed it a little bit too high or you know, or too too wide,
and I kind of rolled to the back so I ran back to grab
it, and as I was picking it up, I noticed that there was
some rustling in the in the weeds back there in the alley, and of
course, being nine to ten years old, I had to go take a
peek and see what it was. And what I originally thought it was was
an injured animal, because I could see that it was from where I was
standing. For my vantage point, I could see there was dark kind of
brown for and so you know, I got a little closer because then I
was concerned it could have been one of the neighbors dogs or something like that.
And as I kind of crept a little closer, I noticed that it
was much bigger than I originally thought it was, So it was, you
know, about the size of a man. And so I sort of stood
there and looked at it for a few minutes, just kind of trying to
wrap my ten year old mind around it. And I noticed that it seemed
to be injured because it wasn't standing up, it was lying kind of in
a prone position, and it is using the fence sort of kind of kind
of hard to describe, but I think about, you know, grabbing,
grabbing, you know, your hands with the chainling fence and sort of dragging
yourself along with it. You know, that that's really what it was doing.
And I could see that it was covered in fur, and then its
hands were reminiscent of a man's, but more more animal like. I didn't
get a great look at the you know, the head, or the or
the face or anything, but it definitely wasn't just a normal person. And
so I, you know, stood there and sort of watched it for what
seemed like forever. It was at that point that was one of the most
terrifying things that I'd ever experienced, and I just sort of watched it and
I just I just I really couldn't process it. You know, it's watching
this, this seemingly injured monster really is what it what it seemed like,
you know, kind of dragging itself along. And so then after a little
while, I ran up front to grab my cousin, and when we went
back there, it couldn't have been more than a minute or two lateran uh,
it was it was no longer there. Like we were of course not
going to go back into the alley because we weren't allowed to, so but
yeah, just it just wasn't there anymore. And we you know, talked
about it, of course, as kids do. And he was just a
little bit older than me, so you know, he's calling me, of
course, telling me that I'm lying and I'm making it up, that I'm
just trying to scare him. But you know, I mean I I described
it to him and told him what it was, and you know, of
course we made plans to go back there and take a look and see what
it was, but it never that never materialized, and and then it just
sort of, you know, it kind of fell out of memory, like
I didn't think about it much after that. Then that was that was that
was the first time that I that I saw something And that was one of
the I guess, man, I want to say one of the only because
it's hard to tell, you know, with the other encounters that we get
into, but it was it was one of the times that I that I
knew it was like physical, like it was an actual something that was that
was there, like if I had reached out, I would have been able
to touch it, that it would have been a physical like you said,
flesh and flesh and blood being. But that was, you know, that
was that was the first time. All right, take your time, and
whenever you're ready, please tell us about the other ones. Yeah. And
then so the next time that I'm that I have a solid memory of it
was I was in high school, so I'm thinking probably nineteen ninety three,
ninety four, somewhere around there. I'd come home from school and this was
probably fall, I think that I had been I was going to go to
some sort of an event after school. So I came home and uh,
you know, grabbed myself a snack and you know, got into into my
room. I don't think my parents weren't home yet, but I got in
my room and just was going to take a nap before a friend came to
pick me up or or whatever was the plan. So I had my bedroom
door, my legs were off, my bedroom door was opened, so the
light from the from the rest of the house was coming in, so there
was you know, I could still see the interior of my room. It
wasn't pitch black or anything. And I was kind of dozed off, and
when I did wake up, I'm not sure how much time had passed.
It didn't seem like very very much. When I did wake up, the
room seemed occupied, I guess, I should say, and I was having
difficult like I could I could still see light, but it was it was
kind of obscured, and so it took me a few minutes to figure out
what was really I say a few minutes, probably just a few seconds to
figure out what was going on. And then and when my when I guess,
when my eyes kind of got accustomed to what it was, I noticed
that there were probably about four or five five of these dog men standing around
my bed. So there were they were, you know, standing up right
like like human, but they this time I could see their their heads,
and they were, you know, they had the long snout kind of taller
standing up ears. They were they were all very dark. For I don't
remember if they had tails, because I can't. I don't remember if I
could. I just don't have that either, that memories and it doesn't exist
anymore. I just didn't see that that part of them. It was a
little foggy. But that time I didn't feel fear, but I did have
like a vague feeling of like being observed and and sort of left with a
hard to describe it, but almost like a feeling of I don't know,
just being I hesitate to use the word violated, but but observed in sort
of almost a threatening way is what it felt like. So it's just kind
of hard to pinpoint how, you know, the how that feeling was.
So I sort of laid there and and watched them a little bit and and
and you know, they were just observing. It was really the best way
I can describe it. And then I I either dozed back off or you
know, just kind of closed my eyes and just to kind of think this
can't possibly be happening. And then and then I heard my mother was in
the house at that point. I remember hearing her in the kitchen and when
I when I opened my eyes, I was alone, so the room was
empty. You know, my mom comes in. I think she you know,
checked on me to see what my plans were, uh, And then
I think I just sort of wrote it off as as a nightmare. But
now you know, now that I'm I'm an adult, and I've kind of
done a little bit more research. I mean, I definitely have have I
know that they were there. I know that that that was an actual experience
that happened, and like I said, the strange, like the feeling of
being observed was rather unnerving at that at that point, and I can still
kind of remember what that felt like. And then the the next And I
guess you're saying more recent is relative because it's still probably about ten years ago
or more like, I'm sorry, twenty years ago. I forget how old
I am. Sometimes flash forward to that time. I live on my own
at this point in my love and in the same neighborhood as is where my
grandmother lived and where my where my parents live and all that. But I
have my own house and after work, I am I'm out with some friends
and my boyfriend at the time to my husband. Now, we were heading
home and just kind of chatting along the way, and the neighborhood that I
grew up in was sort of wooded, so this, you know, got
this kind of long stretch of road that's you know, got houses on one
side and a lot of woods on the other. And so we're driving down,
heading towards the house and it's a little like misty, kind of foggy
out and up ahead. I can't even tell you that what, you know,
what the distance was. My head lights hit on something, and at
first I thought it was like just some trash or something like, you know,
some debris in the road. As we get a little bit closer,
I think, oh, no, that's got to be and that's an animal,
you know. I thought maybe someone had hit a deer, because we
had a lot of deer around. And then I get closer and I even
even closer. I'm slowed down at this point, and at this point he's
he's noticing that I'm slowing down, and then he notices that there's something in
the road as well, and and then I think, oh, gosh,
a dog, you know. I mean, it's because I could see the
head, and at this point I can see the tail, and it's sort
of looks like it's standing there. But I think, all it must be
injured some you know, feeling sad at that point. And then I as
as we get slowed down to nearly a stop, it uh sort of looks
over at us, uh and and it's it's big. It It stands up
on, you know, on its legs, and it's it's got to be
like over six feet tall, more like grayish for this time, but the
the you know, snout in the ears. It's gotta it's got a tail.
I can see the legs, or before it was I wasn't able to
see that this time. It just it's kind of the the epitome of what
you would think of as a dog man. It just looks looks sort of
like a werewolf, but I've never really referred to them as that. But
and it just sort of turns and looks at us. And at this point
I'm at a dead stop. We're not talking, we're just you know,
kind of and this standoff, and then it turns to sort of like what
what I would think would be like a motion to run, like it's going
to, you know, dart off, and then it just sort of wasn't
there anymore. Like it was almost like the mist kind of blew, you
know, around a little bit, and then it just it wasn't there.
So not really like watching it run away. It just was there and then
it wasn't. So it felt while it was standing there, it felt like
it was physical. It looked like it was physical. But then but then
it wasn't anymore. I wasn't there anymore. And so I turned to him
and I said, before I say anything, I need you to tell me
exactly what you saw. And he described, He described exactly what I said
to you. He saw the thing. He thought it was an injured animal,
because you know, he didn't notice it until until we were a little
closer to it. And then he told me what he saw. And that
was the time that sort of triggered the rest of the memories for me.
It all sort of flooded back, like we went we went back to the
house and talked about it a little bit more. And I remember the time
when I was at my grandma's house. I remember the time that I was
that I was in my bedroom when I was in high school, I did
remember a few times when I when I had dreams of those encounters, those
specific encounters, and then it triggered a deeper, sort of weirder memory.
Well, you know, I some people consider it weird. So my uncle
were pretty eccentric. My uncle was a barber, and he had an old
barber chair in their den. Uh. He had a lot of you know,
they had an old piano down there, just really kind of odd nick
knacks. He collected a lot of really cool old stuff. He had an
old phone booth down there as well, the kind you'd find more like in
a in a bar not so it was like wooden. It wasn't like an
outdoor one. He claims that he got it at an auction and there was
a bank in a bank of phone booths that were in the old LaSalle Street
train station in Chicago. And you know, he had to take this at
his word, he said, he claims that you can see it because it's
part of the movie North By Northwest was filmed there. So he claims you
can see the phone booth in the movie. And I mean, sure enough,
if you look at the movie, those those those types of phone booths
are in it. I can't I couldn't be able to prove to you if
if that was one of them or not, but they're definitely in the movie.
So I used to play in it when we'd go to my aunt and
uncle's house. It was my mom's sister and they were really really close.
So I play in it. And I don't have any memories of what I
would do when I was in it, but it just it sprung to my
mind. So I called my mom the next day and I said, hey,
you remember that phone both and she's like, yeah, it's still there.
She's still you know, they still have it. And I said,
tell me about what I used to do in there. And she's like,
oh gosh, you know, what is that? How long ago was that?
You know, I don't remember used to go and you playing it?
You know, you'd close the door and that would trigger like the light to
come on and there was almost like an exhaust fan. And she's like,
you'd just go in there and you just play in it for for forever,
you know, and you loved it and we have no harm, no foul,
So we just left. Let's let you play around in it. And
I was like, well, did I say anything while I was in there?
Did I make believe? Did I do anything like that? She said,
to be honest with you, you sort of would go into it like
almost like a trance. You'd sit in the little bench in there, and
you'd you know, kick your legs and kind of chatter to yourself, and
you know, uh, they say chatter, you know, just kind of
talk and you know, play and we just thought you were, you know,
playing make believe. She's like, but you wouldn't really do much of
anything other than just sitting there, and we just thought you enjoyed it.
Now and she's like, I'll ask your aunt. I'll tell you what I
what I come up with. And I'm like, okay, great. So
a couple of hours later she calls me back and she says, I remember,
Aunt Nancy, we talked about it. You used to go in there,
and when you would come out, you would always tell these you wouldn't
wouldn't really tell stories, but you would. You would say that you went
to visit the puppy people. And it sort of made my blood run cold
a little bit. I was just like, I wish I had memories of
what I was doing when I was in there, Like you know what what
was I playing. What was I thinking, you know, did I did
something that I do open a door for them or something like that. But
yeah, she said there was a I would I would tell her about that
there was a puppy dog land, and then I would play I would visit
the puppy people. And she's like, that's all you really ever said.
You didn't have any details or any specifics or we just thought you was just
a you know, a little kid with a the vivid imagination. So there's
there's nothing really remarkable about the phone booth. I do have it, by
the way, I bought it from my aunt and uncle. It's in my
garage. But yeah, so that that that kind of ties it together.
And when I have told other people, they're like, I don't see what
that has to do with anything, But to me, it definitely ties it
together. It's where they came from in my experiences anyway. It's it's how
they got to me. And I don't know how to explain that, and
I don't know what that means to to some people, but but that's how
I view it. I view it that. But that going in there somehow
created some sort of a link, and so so they could either watch me
or or or I don't know, maybe they were maybe it was just more
of a playful thing. But but that's that's definitely the link that brought it
all together. And I haven't had any quote unquote physical experiences since then,
but I still do dream about them. Sometimes it will be a dream specifically
about one of the experiences. Sometimes it will be a dream specifically about them.
Sometimes it will be a dream that's completely unrelated to them, but they'll
just be there. Say just say, for example, I'm I have a
dream about having breakfast with a relative, and one of them will be just
sort of off in the background. I still remember, this is something I
should have mentioned this earlier. I still can remember what they smelled like when
they were in my room because that was the closest proximity that I was to
them. And sometimes that kind of smell will just hit me a little bit
and it'll just it sort of gives me, you know, gives me the
chills, because that's when I did have that slightly threatened feeling when when they
were there. But yeah, so that's that's kind of it. That's kind
of kind of all of the all the specific instances is uh, in the
and the interesting phone booth story. So those are my those are my encounters.
That's kind of it. Yeah, those are quite a few experiences.
That's kind of a funny way to put a button on it. Yeah,
that's what I mean. It's you know, like I said, I mean,
I still get a lot of skepticism. I still get people that are
like, oh, you were you know that this time was a dream.
You were you know, it was just some injured animal in the alley and
it ran away before you got a chance to get back there. And the
thing that you and Gary saw in the in the you know, the street
was probably another injured animal or it was a geer and you guys were you
know, just having some sort of you know, delusion. I don't know
if that's you know, but you know, I get like I've accepted the
fact that not everyone is gonna is going to believe it, and you know,
or being you know, or or even accepted. You know, some
people are like, Nope, you're just you know they I've had people literally
just tell me you're you're lying, You're trying to get to some attention,
or you're trying to get somebody, you know, you're trying to spook somebody
around a campfire or you know. But I believe it, and Gary saw
one with me, So I guess that's all that matters, you know.
It is though you're gonna have people who believe you, you're gonna have people
who don't. But if they don't believe you, that's them problem, because
you know the truth. You know, they happen. These experiences happened,
and that's all that matters. And I know from talking with you that you've
already got that mindset. So that's a good thing. That's that's really good.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I uh, I believe it,
you know, and and that is, like you said, that's that's that's
all that matters, you know. I mean, I have these I have
these memories. I mean I can I remember them, you know, some
of them like they were yesterday. But but yeah, I don't, I
don't. I don't. I don't have anything to gain from from making things
up in this particular instance. Anyway, You more than leave these experiences,
you live them, so you know they happened. Absolutely, absolutely, that's
right. I've got some good news for you, Dave. We've got some
really good questions ready for you tonight. Really good questions. The first one
I want to throw it you's from Andreas Chrisales and Andres wants to know how
bad was the injury to make this dog me a limp? See that I'm
not sure of. I didn't. I didn't get that close. I mean
I was close to, you know, on the other side of the fence,
but I didn't really see what the what the injury was, and it
was it was it was less of a limb and more than more than just
almost almost sort of incapacitated because it wasn't standing at all. It was just
sort of like, you know, like I said, lying in the alley.
So I don't know if it was you know, if there were more
of them and one of them injured another, or if like I said,
unfortunately my grandmother didn't live in the in the best neighborhood, so I mean,
who knows really what it could have hurt it self on in that alley.
I know, for the longest time there was an old junk truck back
there, so I mean, I guess I could have injured itself on that
if it was back there, But but I don't, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know what that what actually caused the injury,
That would that made it incapacitated. It might have gotten hurt on the truck.
Some of the homies might have tried to let the wind out of the
dog men. You never know what could have happened. You never know,
that's right. Anything can happen in the hood though. Yeah, yeah,
right, that's right. We've got cryptid royalty in the live chat tonight.
Dal Santo Riga asked the next question. As far as cryptied researchers, go
Al's right at the top of cryptied researchers. I mean, this guy has
been out there beating the bushes for a long time. He knows a lot
about these guys, from dog men to sasquatch to ghosts and other paranormal phenomena.
Yeah, this this in here really knows this stuff. So it's really
an honor to ask this question. This question is, Dave, the ones
around your bed, what color were their eyes? You know, I that
it was like I said, it was, it was dim in the room.
There was there was definitely no I know people I've heard of people describing
them as like, you know, almost glowing, and there was nothing like
that. But uh, I mean I didn't. I didn't really see because
it was it was dim in the room. So I mean, I'm gonna
have to say that they were, you know, probably just similar to to
a regular dog, you know, sort of like uh, I mean,
I have I've got two dogs now. One of them has kind of a
gold gold color eyes and the other one has you know, just sort of
a solid dark dark brown, almost looks black. So they were they were
dark, they weren't. You know, I didn't notice any anything abnormal about
them. I should say nothing, nothing, nothing that seemed supernatural, like
nothing glowing or back later or anything like that. So much time has passed
between now and when this actually happened that you probably don't remember, but I
want to throw this out there for you. Anyway, years ago, I
had a ghost experience in my bedroom late one night. I was laying there
and all of a sudden it was actually New Year's Eve. I was laying
there, and it was late, it was probably between two and three,
and for some reason, you know when you're laying in bed late at night
and maybe you just turned off your lamp or something like that. Well,
maybe five minutes after you shut it off, you hear the metal in it
expand or maybe contract, and you hear that the clicking right that. Yeah,
however you describe that sound, I was going to say clicking, but
it's like a tink or however you put it. Well, that's what I
heard. I heard it. I can't do it. But I was laying
there and all of a sudden ting and then all of a sudden, this
form, this shadowy like figure over by my bedroom door just appeared. So
I'm laying there and I'm blinking, and I'm trying to make sure Okay,
I'm not just seeing things. I'm not dreaming and imagining all this. Well,
no, it just everything I did to just poopoo it, none of
it worked. It was right there. So I'm just laying there looking at
this thing. I'm afraid to take my eyes off of it, because if
I do, then okay, where did it go? If I don't see
it? Well, I blinked and it was just gone. Do you remember
again, Like I said, I know it's spent a long time since that
experience happened, But do you remember ever hearing any kind of a tink or
a sound like that before? They appeared. No, No, not that
time. No, because like I said, I had laid down in my
room and I turned off I didn't have a uh well, I shouldn't say
I didn't have I had like a floor lamp in there, but I just
was just using the overhead lamp, you know that the ceiling lamp, the
ceiling light, and I turned it off before I before I laid down.
But I don't recall, I don't recall hearing anything anything like that. Something
must have woken me up though, because you know, I mean at that
point, I did have a dog, but she lived outside, so she
was she was not I don't think she would have been very happy if that
if she was in the house at that point. But no, nothing,
nothing along those lines or anything like that. It was just, you know,
I was just sort of a woken by something. And then that's when
I it took me a moment to kind of focus because the light, the
light was still coming in, but it was obscured. And the reason that
it was obscured was because, of course, one was kind of standing in
between the in between me and the and the partially opened door where the light
from the rest of the house was coming in But no, no, none
of the tink. The fact that something woke you up. That's one of
the connections I was making between an experience in mind, because probably no more
than no more than five ten seconds or so before I experienced that, I
was sound asleep and then something just woke me up. It was weird.
It just woke me up. No explanation for why I was awake now,
just something woke me up. And then as I'm laying there trying to figure
that out, I guess that's when I heard the tank and then I see
that figure over by the bedroom door. So yeah, I was kind of
wondering looking at the connections between our two experiences if maybe you might have buy
some long chance heard that. No, no, nothing, nothing that I
remember. But but like you said, it was a very long time ago.
I was in high school and that has been too long ago. Well
you're an old man. You're in your forties now. Yeah, yeah,
those are the fifty than forty old timer, right. That's it. The
next question is from Johnny B. And John wants to know do you think
that they're inter dimensional. I've actually thought quite a bit about this because of
the connection with the phone the phone booth aspect of it, uh, and
the fact that that the one that we saw on the street didn't, you
know, felt almost I don't want to say felt, but seemed almost not
physical, you know, not flesh and blood. I think that that's a
definite possibility like that, that the that the phone booth was something that was
able to allow them to kind of come through or or or maybe they don't
even need that, but but that's what they used. So yeah, absolutely,
that's that's something that I have that I've considered and talked to you know,
friends and family about that. I think that they're they're able to kind
of move freely between different you know, sort of planes of existence. That
sure would explain their ability to do a lot of the things they do.
So yeah, you're probably right right. This next question is from Vanessa,
whose question or questions I missed last week somehow. Her question is any idea
how the dogman got inside your house? And that's a that's a good question
too, and I think it kind of goes along with with the last question,
is that I think that they that that they're there probably don't at least
the ones that I've experienced don't really have those physical constraints, like they can
just kind of kind of be where they where they want to be, which
makes it a little bit of, you know, a little nerve wracking because
the other two were were definitely specifically outside and then and these we were in
the house. But yeah, I think I think it was more like a
uh, you know, they they wanted to take a peek at me,
and and you know, whatever they were observing or looking for, they that
you know, that's where I was, and that's where they wanted to be.
So they just they created their own way. And I guess kind of
a disconcerting thought their ability to seemingly wink in and wink out of pretty much
any place they want to go. Yeah, not good. Looks like the
truth is the next question for you. Truth wants to know. Did Dave
smell anything during the whole experience the ones in my room? Yes, I
can't think I mentioned that a little bit. Sometimes I'll get almost like a
memory, you know, a memory of of that. It's hard to explain
though. I mean I've always had dogs, and sometimes you know, dogs
get a little funky. Sometimes shoot, they're dirty or they've been you know,
if we've been camping for a week and they're you know, we're not
really bathing them regularly. But this was like a very musky smell. Ah,
much much heavier than you know, than than you know, what you
probably have on just like a house pet or something like that. But okay,
I don't know, just like like I said, just sort of a
musky an animal smell. Not like it's not nauseating or anything like that.
It's it's just you know, it's definitely like if you smell you'd probably be
like, oh, that's what is that? You know, kind of a
heavy too, so what this is going to be a gross thing. So
we had a we had a it's the only way that I can kind of
explain it. We had a dog that always had to have it. You
know, they have oil glands, so they had to have its its glands
expressed because they get like blocked up and they kind of smell almost like a
there's almost like a fishy smell. It's kind of gross, but it was
like that, but but like heavier. It's almost like a like a like
a like a scent gland, I guess, but not not like not like
in a skunk way, but just a heavy kind of musky animal smell.
Did that musty smell linger after they disappeared or did it disappear when they did?
It was? It was? Yeah, I was definitely there a little
bit, and like I said, I can, I can remember it,
and sometimes sometimes I can, you know, I don't want to say.
I mean, I guess it could be I get to catch a catch a
whiff of it, but then I'll ask, you know, if somebody's around,
I'm like, oh my gosh, what does that smell? You smell
that? And then people are like, no, I don't smell anything.
And it's like, so, I'm not sure if it's just like me remembering
it and then, you know, kind of tricking my brain into smelling it.
But but it did. It did linger a little bit in my room
after afterwards, and I think that's why I was able to sort of remember
what it smelled like, because it was there for a bit. I think
that if you have a smell like that in your bedroom, I don't think
for Breeze is going to do much good, right exactly. I mean I
was a teenager, and you know teenagers are kind of gross, so but
I don't think. I don't think I was that bad? Wait a minute,
I wasn't gross when I was a teenager. Oh you were. You're
a better man than I. Maybe a little bad. Anyway, I've got
another question for you from deeed Truth, and he wants to know could Dave
hear breathing either time again? The time in my bedroom was was a long
time ago, and I was kind of sort of shocked when I when I
noticed them there. So I don't specifically recall. I almost think that I
did it with the one in my grandma in the alley at my grandma's house.
I feel like that was part of the reason that I that I thought
it was injured, just because it sounded it sounded kind of injured. But
I could definitely hear the motion of it pulling itself and you know, kind
of being in the grass and everything. But but you know, there's there's
nothing that I can like really pinpoint like that was breathing. I mean,
it could have just been the you know, kind of ambient noise of being
being outside. Like I said, it was definitely summertime, so it was
you know, crickets and cicadas, and you know, it was that that
time of that time of year. But in my bedroom now I don't.
I don't remember anything. And then then the third time we were inside the
vehicle while it was outside, so definitely nothing there. I can't remember a
show. We've done a live stream WHEK. We've had so many great questions.
The questions tonight are just amazing, such as this next one from Lily
Lewis, Lily wants to know, Dave. Do you think that you were
marked energetically somehow? I have. I have thought that for sure that there
is a reason, some reason that I've yet to uncover or if I ever
do that, that they are interested in me. I don't know what it
is. I've I was I'm honestly happy to be on the show because I
thought maybe someone would have a similar experience and then could maybe share something like
that. But but I've definitely, I've definitely had that in my mind before
that there's there's some some reason that they that they were interested in something that
attracted them to me when I was playing in the phone booth and that and
that made them want to be near me or observe me in some some way
or another. Unfortunately, I don't have I don't have a a satisfactory answer
for that. I don't have a you know, a specific reason why that
would be, but it's definitely something that i've that I've thought after having those
experiences in the phone booth, I'm surprised you kept it in your house,
that you you took possession of it. I would think you'd want to get
rid of the thing. But yeah, it's always you know, I mean,
it's always been. Honestly, it has been, even even you know,
with the with these experiences, it's it's been part of a memory in
my life that that was a really good, a really good memory. I
always enjoyed going to my my uncle's house. I always loved being there with
them. They were amazing, fun people. Uh, And so I always
you know, I mean, I just just having it. Not not only
is it a kind of a cool nostalgia piece for me, you know,
part of my childhood, but then it also does have this sort of,
uh, you know, sort of creepy aspect. When I brought it here,
I didn't tell any of my my camping friends, and then they met
us here one one weekend. They're getting ready to go, uh, and
my friend walked into the garage and he was like, is that is that
it? I was like, yeah, yeah, Bett, all right,
Well, I'm staying away from it, and I've got a little note on
it. I need to restore it. It's it's in pretty rough shape.
It's it's they moved it to the garage when they when they redid their their
den, and so it's got a little bit of water damage on the bottom
and I need some TLC. But it's it's it's gonna come into my basement
eventually. But uh, yeah, it's it's. It's it's part of part
of my growing up. It's it's it's a good memory overall. No,
I understand why he kept it. Yeah, that makes sense. I just
might have done the same thing myself, being sentimental the way we both are.
Apparently, that's right. Candy Pierce wants to know did the dog man's
eyes glow at all? Candy, he already answered that for the encounter and
his bedroom. Is that the encounter you're asking about or a different one?
Please let me know. The next question for you is from Shamon Shannon Umenezer.
I'm sorry, Umanzor, and Shannon's question is as an adult, has
he been back in the phone booth in sat to see if anything happens,
believe it or not. Even though I do have possession of it, I
have not gone inside of it. I'm I'm I was curious about it.
But I think that, uh, I think that I am also a little
nervous. I don't know why. I mean, I just like I said,
it's probably fine. But but I haven't, you know, I mean,
I've I've got some there's some stuff. There's some stuff stored in it,
Like the packing material that I brought it from my aunt and uncle's house
is in there because it was stuffed it so that the door wouldn't flop around.
And it's got He bought some replacement stuff for the fan, like a
new motor and everything like that that he bought years ago and never installed,
So that stuff is in there. But but no, I have not.
I have not gone back into it. I mean other than you know,
other than the fact that kind of like reaching into to stack the stuff in
there and kind of keep it when I put it in our truck to bring
it over. But no, I have not. If I do, and
something happens, I'll certainly let Vic know so he can update you guys.
Yeah, please do hopefully nothing will happen, but if it does, yeah,
I want to know about it, that's for sure. This next one
is from truth Iris and truth Iris wants to know. I'm wondering if Dave's
experiences I'm wondering if Dave experiences psychic flashes of events, if you mean like
events that you know, the experiences of these specific events, it will have
deja vu occasionally generally, like if I do like that, when when I'll
have a memory of that smell that kind of hits me, it will kind
of kind of take me back a little bit to that, to that specific
experience in my room. If so, if that's what you mean, then
then yeah, I guess that would I guess I would say that that I
will have that. But to me, it's always it's always just felt more
like more like deje vu, kind of a Dajevu situation. But I experienced
that a few times. Yeah, I figured you might have it. Looks
like we have more Cryptid Royalty. In the live chat, Brian from Red
Dirt Cryptid Investigations is joining us. He's another investigator who really knows his stuff
and if you haven't checked out his channel, his YouTube channel is red Dirt
Cryptid Investigations. Like I said, please do be sure to check it out.
This next question is from Al Santa Riga. Al wants to know did
all the dog men have Huh, that's all you typed. That's strange.
Yeah, if you can finished that up, Al, then I'll ask the
rest of the question there. That's strange. Let's see. Okay, you
finished it up later on by saying, question what type of legs did the
dogman have? Oh? I love this question because I specifically remember like the
ones in my room I couldn't see, but the one in the street that
that kind of made me a little uh. It was a little eerie because
when it stood up, it had it had like dog dog legs like what
you would think of, uh, you know, not like man legs like
you know or our hips straight down to our knee and straight down to the
floor. They bent like a dog. They you know, kind of went
down with a kind of heavier thigh and then sort of bent, you know,
sort of like backwards. I guess what we what we would think of
backwards. So definitely like like how how a dog's legs bend, not like
a man. That is a good question. He's got another good one for
you. He wants to know al Santo Rico, of course, is who
I'm talking about. He wants to know where were the years located? And
all the dog men they were. Uh so I kind of liking it too,
like a kind of a bigger dog. I had a like actually a
husky when I was growing up, and how hers were like sort of like,
uh tall they were they stood up, they were They're tall, but
like not on the very top of the head, but sort of like coming
out from the side and then and then you know, standing up at that
point, and then you know they can't like one I remember the ones in
my room. Uh somebody drew it actually a really cool kind of a comic
book for me, and they made him. They gave him each different kinds
of years. Like one of them had sort of floppy years, and one
of them was standing up and the other one was laying down. But the
actual ones that I experienced had they were all kind of standing standing straight up,
but you know, sort of like kind of hard to explain, like
if you think of a husky or a German shepherd, how their ears are
always kind of at alert. It was like that I see. Well,
the next question for you is Ruth g and Ruth wants to know how scared
were you? And did it smell very bad? I'm sure she's asked.
She must be asking about that encounter when you were in bed. You answered
the part about smell, But how frightened were you? It was pretty scary.
It was pretty scary, like I said it was. It was more
shocking at first, just because I was when I realized what was going on,
When I realized that the reason that the light from the rest of the
house was obscured because there was something physically standing there. I I think I
was nervous because just because it was just like, what's what is going on
here? But uh, I think I explained a little bit for the prevailing
feeling was just sort of like a vague and again I hesitate to use the
word violated, but just a vague like sort of like uneasy like feeling of
being observed and just sort of being I guess, like I don't know,
if you ever if somebody ever said something kind of off and weird to you
and you just kind of get that weird feeling, You're like, what the
heck is that you know, like that's kind of gross, Like it just
made me feel a little weird, like a little less less scared at that
point than more. Just like, I guess uneasy is the best term I
can really come up with. I can understand why you would feel uneasy.
Wake up and see something like that in your bed, right, Yeah,
that's going to get your motor running. We've got more Cryptid royalty in the
live chat. Looks like Jessica the Cryptid Huntress has joined us. If you
haven't checked out her YouTube channel, please do so. Another one with great
content looks like y'all see Anto Riga has next question. He wants to know,
Dave, do you have psychic abilities? Not that I could ever really
that I would ever, like pinpoint, I mean, I wouldn't say that
I can you know, read anyone's mind or or or anything like that.
I mean, I'm pretty in tune with people's emotions. I can generally,
you know, feel like when somebody's if someone's you know, angry or upset
and they're they're trying to hide it, you know. I mean, some
people are better at that than others. But uh so, I mean,
if that's if that's kind of you know what you're talking about. I mean,
I guess I would say yes on that a little bit. Like you
know, well, emotionally open to other people's feelings, I'm definitely I have
a lot of empathy. So like when someone's sad, I feel sad too.
If someone gets elated on something, I share in that, not just
you know, to the extent of where I almost can't help myself. So
so I guess maybe I do a little bit. Thanks for answering that question
for us. I've got another one for you from Ruth G. And Ruth
wants to know did you tell anyone about your encounter or did no one believe
you? I've told quite a few people, you know, close friends and
family, you know. I remember one of the first times I told the
whole story front to back was at a camping trip and it was my husband,
well my boyfriend at the time. He said, hey, you wan,
don't you remember that thing that we saw? You tell everybody the rest
of that stuff. He's like, that was kind of kind of interesting.
So I told a group of people, and you know, of course everyone's
like, oh my gosh, it's so scary, and so I feel like
some people believed it, and you know, there are people that made a
point to say like, hey, I really believe in this kind of stuff,
and there were other people that just you know, really didn't comment on
it. But yeah, I've told quite a few people I was. I
enjoy telling it around campfires, like you know, when there's new people around,
not only for the to get people's opinions on it, but also you
know, just you know, I mean, I enjoy storytelling and I you
know, get the creepy aspect of it, and you know, you're kind
of in the middle of the woods around a campfire. It can it can
add that that extra little yeah, spooky to this to the already spooky night.
But yeah, there definitely have been people that have, you know,
blatantly told me I don't believe that. I think you know, either you're
you're mistaken or or you're you know, be asking me. Hopefully not people
who've known you for any period of time, because if they are people who
have known you for quite a bit of time, they should know better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are people you know, my my,
I think the the what I what I've gotten a few times are which you
know, it's still kind of not necessarily a I believe you. It's more
of I believe that you believe it. Like I'm not saying that you're making
it up. I don't necessarily believe it, but I believe that you you
believe that you experienced this, so like you know, an affirmation, but
also with a you know, a sidebar. Well. I can appreciate them
thinking that for just the ordinary Joe Blow, but you're coming across as being
very pragmatic and you think through probably almost everything. I don't think you just
jump to conclusions about things. If these people, if they have known you
for any period of time, they just must have a really bad they must
be really bad judges of character, if that's a conclusion they came to about
you. Well, these these are more like you know, more extended friends,
you know, maybe more acquaintances than my actual you know, close friends.
My actual close friends are really subbortive on you know, of each other
and of me and everything like that. So these are just you know,
people that I've maybe told that I don't that aren't really in my in my
close inner circle. Oh I see, okay, that makes sense. I've
got another one for you from jameson blooney sandwich. Oh man, a baloney
sandwich. That sounds awfully good right now. Anyway, his question is,
do you think they're a sort of necessary evil? Well, I guess that's
kind of a difficult thing to answer. I mean, they must have some
sort of purpose. I mean, I don't really know what it is.
I mean, they even though they were there, and they were, from
what I gather, sort of observing me and you know, potentially almost certainly
observing other people as well, I don't know what they're what they're purpose for
being here is. So so you know, as far as being necessary,
I'm not sure. And I mean, you know, I really don't know.
I mean, I'd like to know what their purpose is. I'd like
to know if you know, what the if they are, if they are
a necessity to us, kind of the behind the scenes. Like I said,
there's always something I always, I firmly believe there's always always something behind
the shadows that we can't that we can't see and maybe won't ever really know
what their what their purpose is. Yeah, that's a question I don't think
we're ever going to know the answer to. So I agree. Martie Clifford
wants to know, do you think dog men choose a specific person to see
them or is it random? And in my case, I think definitely I
was I was more chosen than than random. I mean, I can't really
speak to people that have had a more physical sighting, you know, out
in the wild, I guess you'd say, But yeah, for for me,
as far as I am concerned, I do believe that they were specifically
interested in either being near me or observing me in some way. So I
think that that was That was definitely I guess, I guess more of a
choice rather than just a random selection. That makes two of us. I'm
pretty sure it wasn't random either, so I agree. Now, this question
is one you definitely don't have to answer. It's totally up to you whether
you answer this one or not, but if you decide you want to answer
it, the truth wants to know is Dave a believer in God? If
so, did he call out or think about help from higher up? That
is a that's a loaded question, but I will answer truthfully. I am
an atheist and at the time I don't really I didn't really think of anything
other than you know, what was you know, right, in my general
vicinity. I wasn't thinking of anything like that now, you know, saying
that, I do realize that, you know, it's difficult to say,
you know, I don't necessarily believe in uh, you know, in quote
unquote God, but then they're all, you know, but then also believing
in some other, you know, supernatural things. But I I do firmly
believe that there are other things, you know, other powers and other things
out there that are you know, unexplainable. But I was I just to
be perfectly honest, I was never really raised with religion in my life,
and you know, as an adult, as a I kind of did some
research on it and and and just came to the conclusion that that atheism is
is my belief system. If you're an atheist at any time in your life,
have you ever played with a Wigi board? I have. Yeah.
Did you know that there seems to be a connection between people who have played
with one and dog Man encounters? Oh? Really? I did not know
that. Yeah. Yeah, when I asked that, I'm sorry, Well,
I I apologize it for me to cut you off, But I have
I have one from when I was a teenager that we that we used to
play around with at parties, and I actually still have it. It's in
my closet upstairs with the rest of my memorabilia from my youth. Wow,
still nails. You'd be surprised when I ask Dogman eye witnesses that question.
There's been a long time since I've asked that question, but for a while
I would make a habit to ask that question when I would talk with the
new eye witness. But you wouldn't believe the percentage of people who answer yes,
Yes, I have played with a Wigi board at one time. It's
kind of sticks in my though. I mean more times than I could shake
a stick at. I've asked that question and they say, no, no,
I've never played with one. Well there was a one time. Then
they'll qualify that by saying, well, besides one time in high school,
but that was only for like ten minutes or whatever. And I'm thinking,
oh my gosh, that is playing with one then right, absolutely, yeah,
but there does seem to be a pattern. Like I said, This
next question is from Carol Hansen, and Carol wants to know what made you
feel the dog men surrounding your bed were angry. I don't necessarily think they
were angry. It just I felt I just felt uneasy just because of the
situation, you know, just having them, you know, like I said,
four or five of them just sort of observing. I don't think they
I don't think they intended any harm. I think it was just the like
I said, just the situation that made it made it kind of, I
guess, scary, and gave me that uneasy feeling, that sort of the
feeling of being you know, observed, like you see, you know,
I mean this is you see like movies about people being abducted by aliens and
they're being you know, they're just all sort of standing around and watching.
It's just sort of an odd, creepy situation. But yeah, I mean
I don't I don't necessarily think that they were angry. I mean, I'm
not sure what they would have done. If they had been, I might
not be here to tell you the story. Yeah, if they're angry,
I'm sure you'd know it. I don't think that would be a mystery,
Like you said, Denise c asked a question that you've already answered. She
wants to know, do you ever go into the phone booth anymore? If
so, does anything happen? Well? Dave told us a bit ago,
Denise that he hasn't gone into it. He has stuck a leg in there,
but he hasn't gone into it. The next question is from Ruth ge
and Ruth wants to know did the dog men ever growl at you? Not
that I can recall. Uh. I, like I said, a little
while ago I in in the in my room. They were pretty silent.
I mean, just more of an observational situation than the one in the street.
We were inside the vehicle and he was it was out. Uh.
And then the one in the alley, you know, other than potentially you
know this just the sound of it, of breathing, which I can't even
really pinpoint. It was more of the you know, the ambient sound of
being outside, like the grass is moving from it, from it pulling itself,
and being in the in the alley, and then just you know,
the outside sounds of the summertime evening. But no, I don't I don't
ever recall a growl. Well, thank goodness they didn't growl. If they
would have, that would have just stepped things up even more. It was
already intense. Yeah. Andras Carrizales has the next question, Andres wants to
know, did you get any impression of age, like one seemed young or
old? Actually, that's a really good question because the one, the last
one that I saw, the one that was in the street, that that
Gary saw with me, did seem like it was older, like it seemed
because it was like the other ones had the like brownish or black darker For
the ones in my room, it was difficult to tell because it was dim
in there, but definitely darker color coloring, and the other one was more
of a kind of a gray, and it gave me the impression of more
maturity. I guess I would say that is something that's something I haven't really
thought about. And so you asked that question. That's interesting. That was
a really good question. Like I said, a lot of good questions tonight,
looks like the truth is up next. And wants to know. Have
these experiences influenced Dave to not go into the woods not a bit. I
camp constantly. We are, We are avid campers. We are always hiking.
I just love being outside, you know love you know where we live
now, where we chose to build our house in kind of our neighborhood is
obviously it's still a neighborhood, but it's still, you know, surrounded by
woods. There's a wooded trail that cuts through our neighborhood. I actually,
I love being outdoors and the woods don't don't make me nervous or have not
deterred from going there in any in any way. So no, it's it
hasn't hasn't changed my view on that at all. That's great. As young
as you are, it'd be a shame if you didn't go out and enjoy
the woods and just live your life and do what you wanted to do.
So yeah, that's music to my ears. This next one is from encryptid
Common Sense, and they want to know, Hello, David, were there
caves and or water sources nearby where I grew up? No caves. I
grew up in Northern Indiana, so in Chicago Land area, not too terribly
far from where I'm at now. But but I've always lived near rivers.
We live near multiple rivers now, and where my grandmother's house was just a
few blocks away was a river. I'm trying to think near my parents' house
there are a couple of ponds not too far away, but nothing like incredibly
close. Like I said, it was a few blocks away from my grandma's
house where the river. Where the river is, But you know, no
caves definitely. Well, they're found in a lot of places where there aren't
caves nearby. They don't necessarily need them, but if they're in the area,
they will seem to utilize them. So something to keep in mind.
Johnny b. A is kind of more of a general question. He wants
to know do you think that there is a war between dogmen and rakes.
My witnesses have reported seeing dog men going after rakes and rakes fighting with dog
men. Maybe there is something to that. Maybe there is a war going
on, but yeah, there's no way for us to know about that.
All we can do is pretty much guess. Unfortunately, let's see, I
had another question queued up. This one is also more of a generalized one.
Eleon the Pharaoh wants to know is dog man a spiritual entity or a
biological being? Well, yeah, that's a million dollar question. All we
can do is guess as far as what the answer is to that, no
way to know for sure what the answer is, so hope that answers your
question. The next question for you, Dave is from Night Scale. The
gaming dragon, and they want to know, Dave, how smart do you
think they are? Do you think that it truly wanted to kill and eat
you? I felt like they were pretty smart, you know. I mean,
the ones that were in my room seemed more interested in observing, not
harming. I don't feel like at any point I was in any dan.
I mean, obviously there was that feeling of vague, you know, you
know, uneasiness just because of the situation. Again, but I don't feel
like I was I was threatened in any way. I definitely didn't feel like
they wanted to harm me, Like I said, it was just I felt
it was more an observe observation situation. It's understandable you'd come to that conclusion
because if it wanted to harm you, they had your dead rights. Yeah,
they sure did. I was nowhere to go, Yeah, definitely.
Well we're coming up on the seventy minute mark, and it has been a
long day. I've been locked in here all day in the studio, so
I'm going to get ready to call it. But before I do, do
you have any closing comments you'd like to share? No other than just thanks
for having me and thank you to your to your viewers and listeners. I
mean, this has been a great experience. Everybody has has had such great
questions. Some of them made me actually think about things that I hadn't thought
about, or have ideas on these that I hadn't even considered before. So
I just wanted to thank you again for having me on and it was a
great time. I had a lot of fun. Well I'm glad you had
a great time too, I know I sure did also. And yeah,
like you said, the great questions tonight, they just added to it.
I'm really impressed by those questions. But having said that, Dave, thanks
again so much for coming on and sharing the details of all those experiences with
us. I really appreciate it. You're very welcome. Thank you, Oh,
you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.
Well. I can't thank all of you enough, nearly enough for listening to
the show, for supporting the show the way you do, for supporting the
eyewitnesses the way you do. Thanks again so much for tuning in. And
also if you've had a dog man related experience as citing that is, and
you'd like to speak with me about it, or if you'd like to come
on the show and share your experience. All you need to do is just
go to dogmanthecounters dot com and submit a report. And if you do that
then I'll be more than happy to schedule a film conversation with you. But,
like I said, thanks again so much for listening in. Have a
great night.