1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Look, you have a choice. This is what it's like in the textbook, 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,480 So you know, I want you to have as much information. I 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,439 want you to make an informed decision when you speak English. Do you want 4 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:11,160 to speak like as textbook? Do you want to speak correct and accurately, 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,120 or would you like to speak naturally like your neighbors. You have a choice. 6 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:24,000 Welcome to another Happy English podcast, coming to you from New York City. 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,039 And here's your English teacher, Michael. All right, thank you John, 8 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:34,119 and thanks everyone. It's Michael here from Happy English and I help people 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,479 speak English better. And I am so excited today because I've got a special 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,840 guest for you. You know her as the language Hacker expert. That's right, 11 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:50,600 Kira sage Kiro. Welcome to the Happy English podcast today. Hi, 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,600 thank you so much for having me. Very exciting. I would love for 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,719 the listeners to get to know you, so tell us about yourself and how 14 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:04,280 you help people with English. Okay, well, I help people hack English, 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,799 which means take the complexities of English and make it useful and relevant for 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:17,159 their personal situation. We do this at www dot language Hack dot coo dot 17 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,519 com CEO and that's also my Instagram Language hack dot CEO, so language hack. 18 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,359 Right, So when I think of hack, I think of like mean 19 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:32,200 people doing bad things to my computer. But you want to hack English, 20 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,760 which is kind of interesting. Yeah, so tell us a little bit more 21 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,760 about that. Okay, Yeah, hack has so many different meanings, like 22 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,920 the coding hack or old person rude word hack, and then also there's like 23 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,959 life hack, that type of hack, which means make it easy or convenient 24 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:56,000 or useful. So I want to really differentiate myself from the Irish polyglot Benny 25 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:00,680 Lewis, who also has this language hacking system. He's written books about how 26 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,159 to learn any language in three months. He's trying to make language learning fast. 27 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:09,039 That's his way of hacking things, right. My way of hacking things 28 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:15,919 is taking something that's really complex, convoluted, and you just take the pieces 29 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,159 that you need in order to be successful making it useful. Right. So, 30 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,680 like today you said something on Instagram like, okay, say something that's 31 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:28,319 going to get you in big trouble, and then you said something like when 32 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,879 Americans speak, they generally don't use perfect tenses. Yes, for the benefit 33 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,159 of the listeners here, could you elaborate on that a bit, like what 34 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:40,639 is it that we do here in American English. That's kind of naughty. 35 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,919 It is so naughty because you know in your ESL class you need to go 36 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,560 through several tenses and take these exams and such, especially for like a toll 37 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,479 full situation or an ield situation. But when you really get down to you 38 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:59,439 know, this conversational daily life English, especially I shared a text message from 39 00:02:59,439 --> 00:03:04,199 my friend, sorry James, but he just missed up present perfect, like 40 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,759 he destroyed it. But native speakers, from my experience and I have just 41 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,680 traveled from California all the way down through the South to Georgia, they're using 42 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,879 simple tenses, simple future, simple past, simple present, a couple of 43 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,479 progressive continuous tenses. We need that, I g. But other than that, 44 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,280 you are not going to see future perfect. Right, Why give me 45 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:32,759 a good use case for future perfect? Please get a better score on an 46 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:38,280 exam, like I have to really know the future in order to use that 47 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:46,319 tense. Right, past perfect, had done, had had sorry now right? 48 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:52,000 And that's really interesting because we and I'm sure this happens in other languages 49 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:57,919 too, we don't need all of that grammar when we communicate, right, 50 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,960 are you hungry? No? I already eight oh my god, I used 51 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:12,000 already and the simple past. Oh I'm sorry to my British friends, but 52 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:15,439 right, that would be normal, so common. When I got to the 53 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:17,199 party, jack was gone, or when I got to the party, Jack 54 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,439 wasn't there. When I got to the party, Jack had already left. 55 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,199 So long, so many words you had to use just to say that, 56 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:30,720 yeah, that's interesting. So you help your students speak, you know, 57 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,800 how we really talk. Yeah, and help them to say, okay, 58 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,759 look, you have a choice. This is what it's like in the textbook. 59 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:39,279 So you know, I want you to have as much information. I 60 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:42,279 want you to make an informed decision when you speak English. Do you want 61 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,279 to speak like a textbook? Do you want to speak correct and accurately or 62 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,079 would you like to speak naturally like your neighbors. You have a choice. 63 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:53,639 Good luck exactly. And I always tell my students that, you know, 64 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:57,839 this is what's in the textbook. It's good to know. But it's good 65 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,959 to know how we speak because as that's how people are going to talk. 66 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,920 So when you don't be surprised when you ask somebody are you hungry and they 67 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:11,360 say no, I already ate, yes, your expectation might be coming from 68 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,000 a textbook point of view, but it's actually not necessarily how we do it. 69 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,240 And adding to that, students beat themselves up if they don't use it 70 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,480 correctly, and it's like, yeah, but I'll show you a handful of 71 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,480 Native speakers who aren't using it correctly. Earlier today on My Life, we 72 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,560 were talking about if I were you, and it's like, yeah, but 73 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,160 here's Nicki Minaj going if I was you? You know, I mean, 74 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:39,079 there are so many cases in movies, in songs where they say if I 75 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,600 was And I'm getting to this point in my career, should I just give 76 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,439 up on unreal tense? Gotcha? So let's talk about your career. How 77 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:51,439 did you get into the English teaching world. I've dumbled upon it. I 78 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,839 was a study abroad student in Osaka, Japan. We'll suck it up the 79 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:03,920 house. Yes, so I was a study abroad student there and then someone 80 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,800 said, hey, do you want to teach these grandmas? I said, 81 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,439 okay, I started teaching them. I listed myself on a tutoring website. 82 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Started doing that. I got some great grocery money, and that's what I 83 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,279 considered it to be as a university student. But it wasn't until the end 84 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:21,680 of the year when it was time for me to think about going back to 85 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,800 the United States, where those first three students of mine, these Japanese grandma 86 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,399 said, Wow, out of everyone that I've learned English from over these ten 87 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,800 years, you're the best teacher. Wow. And twenty year old me was 88 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:41,120 like, I have a skill. I can do something. I know like 89 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:44,000 they told me, like that should be your job. Okay, great. 90 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:47,160 I had no other plans after college, so thank you for deciding for me. 91 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,319 Wow. Yeah, that was history as they say. Yeah, so 92 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:58,160 what were you studying abroad in Osaka? I was getting my Japanese minor and 93 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:03,240 then I was also studying business. Okay. And so when you work with 94 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:09,759 students, or if you could give some advice to students about you know, 95 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:13,319 because everybody says, okay, how can I improve my English? Somebody wrote 96 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:15,959 to me this morning, how can I improve my English faster? I said, 97 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:23,040 well, you can't, because learning a language is like learning a sport 98 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:29,720 or learning a musical instrument. And Cristiano Ronaldo did not become a champion World 99 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,240 champion soccer player because he had a quick way to do it. Nor did 100 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:39,240 Eddie van Halen become a world class guitarist because he did it in three months. 101 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:44,360 So it's saying with language, right, that's what I think. I 102 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:47,399 love that metaphor. So what's your advice to students? What should a student 103 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,279 do to improve I go back to what language hack truly stands for. It's 104 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,160 make it useful for you. When you go to an average school, they're 105 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,680 going to follow a textbook. A textbook always has the first chapter is where 106 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,839 are you from? I'm an American, I'm a Japanese person, I'm whatever, 107 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:09,240 And the second chapter is usually something like what's your job? What's your 108 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,040 profession? Third chapter, We're at the hotel. It's always the same with 109 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,720 these English textbooks. So if you really want to hack the language, you 110 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:20,839 make it useful for you. Maybe you never go to hotels. That's okay, 111 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,639 Where do you actually go? Write that down? What do you actually 112 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,560 talk about in your first language? Write that down? Now, find the 113 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,399 English equivalent, because you're whatever you're saying in your first language, you're going 114 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,519 to be having the same conversations just now in English. Right. If you 115 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,879 have that self awareness, then you can learn faster or more efficiently. At 116 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:45,000 least that makes a lot of sense because I'm not a sports guy, so 117 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,240 I never sit around with my high school buddies and talk about sports or football, 118 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:52,559 and that's not my thing. So and I can't do that in my 119 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,639 second language, which is which is Japanese. Like I can't talk about sports, 120 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,440 I can't. I can't even do it in English. So let alone 121 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,639 try it in second Languge that makes a lot of sense. Make it useful 122 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,559 for you? Yes? Right? We mentioned grammar a couple of minutes ago. 123 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,000 How important is it to study the grammar? And because I know a 124 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,480 lot of students are obsessed with grammar rules and becoming, you know, top 125 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,279 notch in grammar, what's your thought on not? Well, there are two 126 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,600 schools of thought that I've seen on the internet with grammar, and one is 127 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,759 be perfect a grammar and the other one is you don't need grammar to speak 128 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:28,600 a language. And I'm somewhere in the middle. You have to have grammar 129 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:33,320 because you need some type of rules of the road in order to drive your 130 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,799 car get your meaning across. But do I need to be so focused on 131 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:43,000 it? No, because even when you have the wrong grammar, I can 132 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,600 still get my meaning across. Right gestures, facial expressions, intonation. We 133 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,440 have all of these other skill sets that can still help us, right, 134 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:56,639 And I always feel that grammar from the textbook style of learning, there's no 135 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,360 context to that. Yeah, So the Grammar and Use series, which I 136 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,200 love and hate at the same time. You know, it's just your drilling 137 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,440 one sentence, but in a real conversation, there's millions of kinds of sentences. 138 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,039 You don't need to have that one perfect sentence for everything, because you 139 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,240 can make yourself understood and you can communicate, Right, that's the bottom line. 140 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:26,080 Yes, do you speak any other languages? No, Hanasa masio, 141 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,679 So as a language learner, yes, What do you think of some of 142 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,320 the best ways to improve your vocabulary or maintain your vocabulary or grow your vocabulary? 143 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,000 What are you obsessed with? I mean the thing for me and my 144 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,679 Japanese music TV shows, I was obsessed with Gasto, if you know, 145 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:50,480 Gakto and Cancohido and these Japanese rock stars, and so I'd listened to their 146 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,639 songs, I'd watch their interviews, I'd go and see those TV shows and 147 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,559 movies that they were acting in, and I just wanted these guys in my 148 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,679 face all the time. And subsequently at the same time, I was exposed 149 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,919 to all of that natural language, natural vocabulary, and usage. I didn't 150 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,039 have to try. So, what are your recommendations for let's say, American 151 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,799 TV shows or do you have a preference TV shows or movies or I suggest 152 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,840 that if you're learning a language and you really want to use that content for 153 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:26,519 explicit learning, TV shows take it bite sized pieces. A movie is just 154 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,360 like a flood of information, way too much. You're gonna zone out after 155 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,320 a certain amount of time. But at least with thirty to forty five minute 156 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,080 show. Okay, that's enough. Are there any particular TV shows that you 157 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,759 think are great for learning English more better than others. Something that's a little 158 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:46,360 more modern that I've used in the past is The Good Place, like a 159 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,120 Heaven and Hell type of thing, but it's really quirky. They use a 160 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:58,080 lot of safe swear words like shiz instead of the other word that means poop. 161 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:01,639 I really like it. It's it's modern. Like, as I said, 162 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,960 like Friends, Friends is great. Don't get me wrong, I have 163 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,639 nothing against Friends, but Friends is over twenty years old. Right. The 164 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,639 Office is great too, But then you're starting to see the office is like 165 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:18,039 fifteen twelve years old. Right, that's kind of sad. Modern family or 166 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,559 Big Bang Theory. That's even it isn't that wild when you start to look 167 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,360 at when these things started. The kind of I was talking to somebody recently, 168 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,759 there's the spinoff of a Big Bang Theory is Young Sheldon. And I 169 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,879 always thought like, okay, if you want to learn a southern sounding accent 170 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,240 like this, it's said in Texas, that's a great TV program to catch 171 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,080 that particular accent. But yeah, you're right. You know Friends is from 172 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,360 the nineties, so is Seinfeld. Yeah, it's kind of sad to really 173 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,679 think about. Right. So I know that you work with kids and you 174 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,759 have a book now, so tell us about your books. Yes, So 175 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,000 I work with kids three all the way up to twelve. So I wanted 176 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,639 a time we're in group. So when I did the younger kids, so 177 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,600 as we're in groups, the little group of three year olds and then with 178 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,159 elementary school kids one on one. Okay, but you know what I noticed 179 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,320 with the three year olds is they want to show their power to you. 180 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,759 They don't want to be taught. They want to show off, like, 181 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:16,799 look I can do this, I can do that. I can do. 182 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:20,159 I'll buy myself. I'm a big kid now. So that got the idea 183 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:26,080 in my head about this this book concept. I was walking around the streets 184 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,759 of Atlanta, Georgia, and I saw a lot of isolated letters. Huh 185 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,919 yeah, okay, well look there's a P okay P for parking. There 186 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,919 are a lot of parking structures. Whatever, la la la, there's a 187 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,440 V. Huh okay, there's an R. Whoa. I better start taking 188 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,120 pictures. Next thing I know, I had the whole alphabet pictures of them. 189 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:52,120 I created a photo book. And the whole concept behind this is we 190 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,480 want to inspire kids as well as parents that when they go outside your ABC's 191 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:01,399 live outside of these picture books, they're here in real life. Get the 192 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:05,799 kids excited about hunting for them, pointing them out and feeling that sense of 193 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,639 achievement. Yes I can read, mom, Look at that. I found 194 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,600 that letter all by myself. And when I get old enough, I'm going 195 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,440 to find words for you and read signs. So this all became a book 196 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 aimed at what group like three year olds? Four year olds? Yes, 197 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:24,519 gotcha. We're in the iPad baby generation now where children are met with screens 198 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,919 first and this is my small way of combating it. Oh. I see. 199 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,720 So my first ABC book, These Days for Kids is on a screen? 200 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:37,840 Yeah these Days? Yeah, it's really sad for sure. And where 201 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,159 can we find that book if you're a kindle reader and you want to put 202 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:46,759 a screen in your child's face. The ebook version is available, but I 203 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,679 do suggest to get the paperback version, which is also available on Amazon. 204 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,279 On Amazon, Okay, great. And what's the title of the book, 205 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:03,919 Explore the Outdoors Photorealistic ABC's. So that's Explore are the Outdoors photo Realistic ABC's. 206 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,759 And there is a link just below this episode where you can grab that 207 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:13,759 book. Excellent. So you're starting the three year olds off. And I 208 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:18,399 also heard somewhere through the grapevine that you've got courses for business people. So 209 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,240 can you tell us a little bit about that and how you help business people. 210 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,799 Are you also telling them don't worry about grammar? Oh? Well, 211 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:33,080 it depends on which industry you're in. I think that's key. This particular 212 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:41,120 course comes from a culmination of the nine years in Silicon Valley tech world that 213 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:46,799 I've been in and I just got kind of the most requested lessons. Okay, 214 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,120 how do I delegate tasks. How do I answer questions if I don't 215 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,559 know the answer to the question not related to English, it's really related to 216 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:00,279 the content of the question. How do I seem confident in a presentation and 217 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,360 the conversation gets off track? How do I steer everything back on track so 218 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,480 we can end within the time we said we'd end in these types of questions, 219 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:14,120 And so I just compiled everything together and released it as a course. 220 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:18,159 Wow, that sounds useful, and so is that a self study course or 221 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:26,039 so? I decided based off of my Platsy experience that I don't understand asynchronous 222 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:33,399 learning too much, and from what I've seen on you DEMI on Platsy on 223 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,519 YouTube, it has to be at least for me and my attention span. 224 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,960 I'm a millennial. I'll admit that I just can't sit there and watch someone's 225 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:48,480 face and lecture the whole time for you know, a ten minute video. 226 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:51,480 It's too hard for me. So I have the offer of, like, 227 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:53,720 if you really want to, if you're that type of learner who is self 228 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,879 sufficient and can manage that great you can take it by itself. Here's the 229 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,159 price for just the course, or if you want to work with me one 230 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,160 on one. Let's go, and here's that price, all right, if 231 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:07,480 you want to work as a group, and we do it really like a 232 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:12,480 class. And now that course becomes a curriculum, and although homework and all 233 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,559 of that is still there, but now you just have that live component, 234 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,839 right, we have that too, So you have all the options. All 235 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:25,119 the options excellent. And so then do students need to be of a certain 236 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,880 level to join the course? Like, how does that work? Yeah? 237 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,279 So I designed this with an A two B one learner in mind. And 238 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,400 yeah, definitely not not for A one, not for C one C two, 239 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,359 C one C two. You need your own custom learning plan for that, 240 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,319 right, that's for sure. Well, I think here that's all the 241 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,640 time that we have for our chat today. I could keep going on and 242 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,799 on chatting with you, but for the sake of my listeners, can you 243 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:59,400 let us know again where can we find you out there in the blogosphere of 244 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,640 the Internet. Yes, find me on my website www dot language hack dot 245 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:12,279 ceo CEO and not coom dot co co dot co language CHAC. All right, 246 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:18,680 well, thank you for hacking this language learning podcast today. It was 247 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,240 totally a pleasure to talk to you and maybe we can do this again sometime. 248 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,119 Well, thank you so much for having me, for inviting me and 249 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,880 letting me share on your podcast again. Thank you Kiera for coming on the 250 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,480 podcast. If you guys want to find her, she is at language hack 251 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,160 dot c. Oh, there's no m and that's it. Thanks for coming 252 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,559 on the podcast, and have a super day, Oh Kimmy love by. 253 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:48,599 This podcast is brought to you by Happy English. Please visit my Happy english 254 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,880 dot com. Show your support for Happy English by leaving us a review. 255 00:18:53,519 --> 00:19:07,960 Get English, Get Happy, Happy English.