1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:07,839 In spite of that multilancing multilative. Last one is childish Monday through Friday, 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:17,160 yes, seventeen. So André Fantino in Neura. Well, people, darling, 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,199 how are you? Thank you for being on the other side pulling out 4 00:00:22,199 --> 00:00:29,239 our multiverse. Today is a little shorter. Let' s start having some, 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,719 some hand- to- hand chats that come out of the night and 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,880 today who comes is too cool to talk. He is very critical of many 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:45,039 things, about journalism and about so many other things that you throw a little 8 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,520 bit for is and Augustin. So that' s good as how we were 9 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:52,240 divided, which looked like we had a BBC studio. It' s coming 10 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,439 or everything you' re looking at tossing him to make the chubby late. 11 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,880 I was telling them he' s coming to Alejandro Rossitchner. In a few 12 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,079 minutes we' re going to be talking to Alejandro here at six o' 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,760 clock on Friday or so and we didn' t know what was going to 14 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,480 happen, unfortunately, but well we' re going to be talking, so 15 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,560 I want to tell you this and say hello to all of you dear people 16 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:17,799 for a hug first and thank you for being on the other side. How 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,040 they are, well, shocked beaten by what happened. No, yeah, 18 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:26,400 I don' t know. I saw these things still happen that in these 19 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:32,280 unfortunate countries. It' s like we' re in a loop, wearing 20 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,000 chas, I' m not yokada. I mean, it was something that 21 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,400 ' s predictable for every band that' s unclear to me, because it 22 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:45,120 ' s just that the feeling is that, because we already know how well, 23 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,079 part could have happened what. But no, but no, no, 24 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:49,719 no, no, it' s there. But friend I' d stay 25 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,519 shocked, I know in England. Not good here, but it doesn' 26 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,719 t make you think it' s normal, it keeps everything that way. 27 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,439 That' s what it is. Criste functions because now the company says what 28 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:07,480 it says is that the wires were stolen. So since they didn' t 29 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:10,960 have the wires, they couldn' t warn. Or the change of paths 30 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,240 and the alert that the ethics fair didn' t have worked badly. To 31 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:22,319 justify that, they say that ten days ago they knew they were missing here 32 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:23,840 and how they reported that there was going to be a change of day. 33 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:30,159 Clear with a leaf and viróme cool passes the collectives. But if with the 34 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:32,479 collectives see how it is in the state of the collectives, they pass all 35 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:37,800 the transport also what happens with what happens. It can' t happen because 36 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,199 it' s above those bugs. I mean, there' s no colliding, 37 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:46,560 I don' t know one that has dad with a coal- carrying 38 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,599 one, that is. There are two hundred and five hundred people on one 39 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,120 side and can go two hundred and five hundred today, but which is you, 40 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,159 which is so far we all agree on what they are saying. I 41 00:02:55,159 --> 00:03:00,319 agree with you, but what is the point? The point he was making 42 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,919 is that that has to be in the appropriate state and if not, it 43 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:07,560 doesn' t have to work like a lottery. It doesn' t have 44 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:13,560 to be at the moment that we' re in the hands of irresponsible people, 45 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,159 getting out a day train forgive me for transport is a risky job. 46 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:20,360 The guy who' s handling and the people who are also in maintenance in 47 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,599 what is investment, in what is that coordination is risky. You' re 48 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:28,400 transporting people, so you' re in the hands of irresponsible people who don 49 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:31,479 ' t report at the time it' s still working, regardless of whether 50 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,599 or not they' re fit in the dots formation. It' s nothing 51 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:38,759 more than looking or someone can do a reading except that we' re in 52 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,039 the hands of irresponsible people and that there' s that caresses ten days ago 53 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,280 and that they know it and that it' s been ten days and it 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,560 ' s still working. That' s much more serious, because if you 55 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:52,360 already know that that can happen and so everything to me what you want, 56 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:59,960 to me, what you did to me seems miserable and scoundrel to me is 57 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,759 how five minutes of the crash had passed five minutes of the crash and at 58 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:13,120 least not only in social networks, publicly in statements and notes people linked to 59 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:16,519 politics, or all or journalists also on one side and the other, on 60 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:23,360 the one side and the other of the crack, throwing responsibility for the ball, 61 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:29,839 the accident. I mean, it seemed to me that this happens, 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:36,360 because in a broken country it happens. But I am disgusted and given a 63 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:44,040 tremendous anguish, because five minutes had passed, there were a hundred people injured. 64 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,120 It wasn' t known if they were dead. You still don' 65 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,519 t know. God forbid, but you don' t know why there are 66 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:56,720 some people so serious and the Argentine political system, or we would say, 67 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,600 the circle in which we move, journalists, politicians, etcetera. Being a, 68 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,639 but my law a, but crinarism or a, but perionism is a 69 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,199 surprising thing. I allowed myself not surprising. No. For many years I 70 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,240 took St Martin. For three years I traveled in San Martín. Anyone who 71 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,160 knows the line knows that the line travels first as cattle, as in all 72 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:23,279 public transport. But on time the San Martín, with the conditions in which 73 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:25,160 you travel. I mean, they stole my cell phone, the guy threw 74 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,839 himself out the door, the wagons the formations. It' s one of 75 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:32,839 the lines that has the least maintenance and I don' t know, I 76 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,959 don' t love him. You don' t have to blame anyone. 77 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:38,839 People who have been around for years must be held accountable for lack of investment, 78 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:42,079 but also people who do not report what is right and that has nothing 79 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:45,519 to do with my law. So far how we' re in the easy 80 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:46,720 one. So far there' s what a bastard none of us are. 81 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:53,399 And it' s okay, because it' s hard to find an answer 82 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:55,560 to this. It' s okay, it' s hard to find wrong. 83 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,360 I understand you because I don' t have it either. I come 84 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,079 here. There are five zero people on the other side have already hooked this 85 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,480 to dear how you walk hello how we are seeing. We' re thinking, 86 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:14,439 not what to say, but what' s going on. I think 87 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:17,199 look, I thought about it in the past, not while I was on 88 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:23,399 my way here. In Argentina, for some time now the subject forgiveness is 89 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:28,639 discussed, the predicate is discussed and not the subject of the things that happen? 90 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,800 In Argentina, for some time the predicate has been discussed and not the 91 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:40,439 subject of the things that happen? I don' t want to lose them. 92 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,160 But there' s something called essence and there' s something else called 93 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:48,720 accident. And look, see if it' s worth the comparison, the 94 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:55,560 analogy. The essence is what makes it something. The essence is what makes 95 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,279 it something. Look at a sentence. Peter is tall, essence is Peter 96 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,040 the subject. It' s Peter is Peter in essence, it' s 97 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,040 Peter tall, it' s accident or it' s an accident. The 98 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,360 being tall or it could be Peter is low, it' s in Peter. 99 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,079 There is no high or low in itself, as I can say. 100 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:19,160 There goes the high crossing the nine of July, there goes the low crossing 101 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,720 the nine of July? No, no, July 9th is wide, but 102 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,160 there is no width in itself. The width is an accident. In another 103 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:31,240 thing, the 9th of July is an avenue In essence, it is a 104 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:39,680 good avenue Argentina historically, discusses the predicates and does not discuss the subjects, 105 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:46,439 does not discuss the essences, discusses accidents, discusses accidents. And today I 106 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,560 am going to propose to you on the other side of the chat that you 107 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:53,920 tell me and tell me, and also on the eleven thirty- eight or 108 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,600 twenty- five, thirty- one ninety, which you think is the essence 109 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,959 of the problem. We are going in this railway case in Argentina, because 110 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,720 today they threw themselves on one side and the other that this they did on 111 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,040 purpose, if some crazy person there to privatize, others said this went through 112 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,319 divestment. Well, accidents that forgive in analogy sounds, the word is the 113 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,800 same in aristoteles would be accident in matter in formal material, in relation to 114 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,439 action, passion, state, opposition, in time and place are accidents. 115 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:37,039 The essence is what it does. It would be aristoteles says in metaphysics. 116 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,360 If I' m going to watch a puppet or puppet show, the accident 117 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:46,600 is watching the puppet. I want one of the causes is to see who 118 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,600 moves the puppet. Well, let' s try and ask everyone in the 119 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:54,320 chat what the essence of the problem is. In Argentina I want the essence. 120 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,840 Let' s try to give an essence. Let' s not make 121 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:58,799 accidents, let' s not talk about the accident, let' s not 122 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,200 talk about it. But, well, that essence. One might say it 123 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,080 ' s Peronism. Another might say are governments that do not invest. It 124 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,120 ' s an essence in itself. But the predicate is always discussed, never 125 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:18,720 the subject. This never happens for such a thing. The preacher is always 126 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:24,120 sought, always because something else. Besides, we don' t know what 127 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,039 happened in this case we don' t know. I was just listening to 128 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,919 him, Maturano, the guy was handing out a bomb all over the place. 129 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,559 Look, he' s not a saint of my devotion. It' 130 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,360 s happening to us with all the governments, with the past, with the 131 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,039 nesto, with Cristina. Well, I' d like to know and ask 132 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,399 you what you' d do, what' s the problem with this. 133 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:45,919 And I close with this Look, I watch the night and a YouTube program 134 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,600 that' s not a program, it' s a channel that' s 135 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:56,039 called routes of the impossible. Then I see the other day I saw in 136 00:09:56,519 --> 00:10:01,320 Kyrgyzstan, a guy with a truck that helped a clan take the sheep from 137 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,639 one side to the other six days of travel through the Himalayas, through the 138 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,039 mountains. Last night I was seeing routes of the impossible in the Belgian Congo, 139 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:16,639 two Moorish with a truck made shell to make 150 kilometers twenty- three 140 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,679 days in a truck with the people upstairs and honestly, I don' t 141 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,600 know how long before we start on routes of the impossible. Be the day 142 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:31,320 to day as you see and get in the way of trains in India, 143 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,320 how trains travel from New Delli to another city. Well, now I don 144 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:37,080 ' t know if he' s had a technological leap in India. I 145 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,399 think so, but in a way there are still some parts of rural India 146 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,679 where you travel very badly. What do you want me to say? There 147 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,240 ' s not much difference to how you travel in Argentina how you get on 148 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,919 a train today knowing what can happen to you. That is why the question 149 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,440 is and I ask you, please, to think about throwing an essence at 150 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,960 me. Essence I think what the essence is to produce something. For me, 151 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,759 the key is to find an explanation. We can' t get into 152 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,639 this crack much less. Slow down the chat, because otherwise, I can 153 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:09,159 ' t read the messages. For me the key lies in how irresponsible we 154 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,200 are in this country, because the fact made an essence. Yes, because 155 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:20,320 to see we tie it with wire that we have included in our river and 156 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:26,320 with pride. In many cases, as it says oh, yes it is 157 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,799 practically literal to see here no longer matters the fact that it does not matter 158 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:37,559 whether there was investment, whether the cables were stolen or whether the order of 159 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,039 passage was wrong or not, because the locomotive was standing or not. No. 160 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:43,840 Here, the key is irresponsibility from the moment it is known, so 161 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,559 you say an essence of responsibility. Well, but you' re the people. 162 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,480 Let' s say because to see in this case, ten days ago 163 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,639 it was known that there was no good communication. The train can' t 164 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,639 go out to see guys so we have a rich country. But that' 165 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,000 s where you went to the core and you' re going to an accident, 166 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:03,960 because it' s the responsibility. What not, what was that an 167 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:09,480 accident full of responsibility, represence. But in general or of these who are 168 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,080 now driving the three not to see you say so as a society. As 169 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,879 a society, they are very responsible. Here' s the lulus Rossau, 170 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,960 says Maffia and corruption. Well, yeah, it says Maturano, too. 171 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:24,919 He says the wires were stolen and they were with a handwritten paper sign. 172 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,480 But ten days ago, it was done last night. So good, but 173 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,519 I have one thing for you. This accident like the ones that happened first, 174 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,600 three accidents there all over the world. Let' s start first because 175 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,600 neither in reason. We' re not gonna say here that we' re 176 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:46,480 the worst, but we' re gonna be good. We' re not 177 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,080 done. We call ourselves the leonce. We got this one. There' 178 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:50,519 s derailment all the time. No. No, no, no, no, 179 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:54,360 we' re hitting the ball on the stick the other day a train 180 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:56,159 was derailed coming. I don' t remember. But what I want to 181 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,919 say to you is that, as for what happens to us, it' 182 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,879 s very clear what' s not to take me for what you want to 183 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,679 take me and I' m going to tell you the truth. For me 184 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,720 this is because I don' t. Trains can no longer be operated by 185 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,320 the state. It' s over. We have to finish it. We 186 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,679 don' t know, we know perfectly well after the accident. The eleven 187 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:22,799 rat accident was TBA, it wasn' t Gliana TV I saw you, 188 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:30,519 well, but no, but no, but okay, but the truth is 189 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,200 yes or no. No. Let' s talk private about politics, about 190 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:41,840 c you eat, but for that they' re where they went. But 191 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:46,000 in the company it was private. Then I raised the water I realized that 192 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,720 you moved badly wow we didn' t have the queen. Yes, I 193 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,879 moved very well, because it was shown that if in Igliano and all the 194 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,799 people who were at the time in the government were all in collusion and the 195 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,679 subsidies did not go to the trains, they would put the money in our 196 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,039 brakes. Then they ended up blaming the poor man engine who said he was 197 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,840 drunk because you were drunk. If I slow it down, they don' 198 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,840 t walk almost the same. The word is negligence, my dear. I 199 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:20,759 said there is foolish impericia and lack, lack of resources that have to go 200 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:26,360 there. You don' t go, gentlemen, because there' s a 201 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:26,759 lot of work and the essence. So what' s the job? Curro, 202 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,799 curro, donkey and curro nothing more curro and churro from you. You 203 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,240 don' t agree with politics or Argentina. From Argentina itself. Or the 204 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,200 wires were stolen. He says the wires were stolen, he didn' t 205 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,360 steal it. Listen. If I steal the keys from your door and no 206 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,679 one comes to put them back in and you, if you did the corresponding 207 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:52,039 one, I drain. No one' s interested. Spill and neglect or 208 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,960 answer chance bye ready forget about it. No one' s interested. If 209 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,240 the wires were stolen, he trained the day it was working because something was 210 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:07,080 known to happen. Why it worked by negligen yes, by irresponsibility justly good. 211 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,799 That' s a good one. Yeah, that' s right. 212 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:16,919 Things happen through a number of factors. But if you have how many employees 213 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:20,799 today this train has argentore thirty- three zero yes, more or less twenty 214 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,000 - three thousand of which I have no doubt that the vast majority works and 215 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:33,159 so many others will do their thing, but the responsibility lies in the head. 216 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,799 Well, if there' s anyone downstairs, as this maturan says, 217 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,159 who reported that the wires were stolen and no one cared for the head, 218 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,879 who' s to blame. Well, the kid who are in the middle 219 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:48,679 of the tracks proposes him, but there what you' re going to express 220 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,320 you can raise some essences society also very good. Why when they made the 221 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,879 Mitre train arrangement? I think that' s when they also made the arrangement 222 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,240 in the sub when they make the arrangement in part of what ends up hurting 223 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,960 people in the short term as well. No one thinks about the long term 224 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,000 and we complain later we can argue if they do it in full class movement 225 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,840 only if they did not in the summer. But every time they fix formationality, 226 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,519 people then complain as a society. Sometimes we don' t have to 227 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,600 do well either. It happens that, as you asked whether it was politics 228 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:32,000 or politicians or Argentines, Argentina. It' s Argentina, looking for him 229 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,440 in every case. It' s Argentina of who the south is, it 230 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:40,559 ' s private of the state and how it works like the lord and well 231 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:44,039 it exploits everything and it' s private, it' s not the state 232 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,080 of the North or private that is the state, it doesn' t modify 233 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:52,759 anything, because you know what there is private jet and there are jets to 234 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:52,960 get into a topic no, no, on a topic that even get friendly, 235 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,639 but no, but no, no, no. Here the privates speak, 236 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:00,679 right good. I' ll really talk first. Or partner of the 237 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:04,480 pulleys. Gustin, I ask you such a question, but then how private 238 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,359 you think, you think everything is privatized. I want private, really. 239 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,240 But private really isn' t. I don' t believe we' re 240 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,680 going. I am to you the total hi polito that private joined Alejandro and 241 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:21,240 Basette that first that, Augustine, that does not guarantee some functioning. Prin 242 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:26,839 may be light, like, ribatizaría is trains you from here lujá, I 243 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,559 don' t leave one in the State, but I don' t do 244 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,000 branch that for branch that saw. That didn' t fucking work for the 245 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,119 train. The train can be a great benefit for Argentines and slowly. We 246 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:44,200 took power away from the Moyans, because transport could matter everything. You guys 247 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,160 call it. We' re talking about three. No. We' re 248 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,279 not talking, but he' s laughing at responsibilities. It' s not 249 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,440 ta. Today is the three. Tomorrow is a collective mind you leave a 250 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,839 plane to see or all I am plane pilot. He tells me look skinny, 251 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,279 you got that plane up, but you know that out of the three 252 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,799 turbines he was one of the same you have to get there. I' 253 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,000 m sure they' ve gone crazy. I didn' t get in or 254 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:10,160 I couldn' t stand aside. It' s fresh. I heard it 255 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,400 from Maturano. Maturano heard it on a radio. Maturano hears it on a 256 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:19,079 radio and the guy says he says he takes care of it, he has 257 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,279 to take care of it. If you tell them, I' ll defend 258 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,960 that one. But if the brother bike or those who were there were to 259 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,480 blame for getting a blood expert on alcohol drugs. You say arrested, there 260 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,920 ' s none. It says but they' re purple. I say if 261 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,559 some signer messed up, too, he says take care of what he was 262 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,279 counting on. He says there' s a train left, the train that 263 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:44,920 crashes the one that was stopped up the track. I said it morning. 264 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,880 I' ll translate it. I don' t exactly remember the terminology you 265 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,599 used. He says that the guys may have said the lucubro, that they 266 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,319 may have gone down because the journalist tells him, or the journalist very intelligently 267 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,279 and quickly tells him promature. You don' t keep the train standing. 268 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,359 He says you don' t have to warn him right away. I came 269 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,599 with a train because the one who came back that the crashes, the one 270 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,799 who came in front that hit him had had a free way of life and 271 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:17,960 had told him with caution free way. Then the chabon starts with caution via 272 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,640 freeway. It came 40 kilometers per hour, more speeds, about seventy kilometers 273 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,640 per hour, a little more the guy came freeway. Now he meets a 274 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,079 train across the street that was standing above life. What does it say, 275 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,519 maturano says good. What happens is that custom sometimes makes you go down and 276 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,920 untrace. I don' t know what the fuck and that starts again, 277 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,319 but he was tied up with hunger. As you say, all good habits. 278 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:48,720 There are no Norwegians, who are much more meticulous than us, driving 279 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:52,000 a train. Nor are there Norwegians doing communication. There are a lot of 280 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,559 things we say here that surely a Norwegian wouldn' t say. It would 281 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:59,359 be repressed to say the things he says we say. You have nothing to 282 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,279 say. I don' t fear every day for just as much for me 283 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:08,119 the key was put by the skinny here is look. We have all three 284 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,640 formations. That' s not the way it' s going to be. 285 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:18,640 We fixed it. If you just said it in tagonal staple there I have 286 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,759 a little bit more time to talk about it. You' ll understand perfectly 287 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:23,880 Rochitner, who' s out there helps. Alejandro asked him that Argentina is 288 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:27,440 a country that argues preached if it does not discuss subject, that is, 289 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,240 it discusses the accident and not the essence of things. And the audience asked 290 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,920 him what is the essence, the essence and not the accidents and it is 291 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:41,119 worth the Aristotelianity coincides the term accident with what happened is a word, it 292 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:48,480 is a synonym, but it does not mean the same thing. The question 293 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,079 is what happens with this, what is the essence of the problem in Argentina. 294 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,480 I don' t want the accident permanently the essence. Then people started 295 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:03,440 to leave messages and tell me accidents around here. Let' s ask what 296 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:06,240 they say here and send me some too. The eleven, thirty, eight, 297 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,079 twenty- five, thirty- one, fifty facun bonfire. It says 298 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,680 TBA was private, but had a job in conjunction with the Minister of Transport 299 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,799 because of seeing essence. The question would be and daily, weekly or monthly 300 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:25,480 checks. The essence is that there are no controls in Argentina. Well, 301 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,440 there' s no corruption in the private sector, but they' ll break 302 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:30,400 down, says Lucas, I don' t understand, but no. No. 303 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,480 So Chapecos is the example. Sure, no, no, it' 304 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:37,400 s got nothing to do with it. The point of what Augustine says is 305 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,000 that he lost so much, but so much faith in what the State can 306 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:42,880 handle that today people prefer to try their luck with the private. Yeah, 307 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:48,119 it' s totally the essence. Well Argentina isn' t even private star 308 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,799 with that. It' s either good people or bad gypsy or not. 309 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,960 They are jets of the private state, of the United States, of Norway. 310 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,920 It' s like this from wherever you want. The neclot says gray 311 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,079 suit. It is one of the essences of Argentina. Essence you have what 312 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,079 is for you the essence of what happens with this quilombo that permanently stirs, 313 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,960 there is again the gas hello neura. All right, look at the essence. 314 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:21,920 It is very easy to say that public transport is the power of the 315 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,640 State. Who rules the state 20 years ago. Well, if they don 316 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,880 ' t make the investments, they don' t worry about generating good services, 317 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,119 etcetera. So both the state and the trade unionists there have the easy 318 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,240 result. Hey, Fanta, how you doin'. I greet the entire 319 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:42,839 Valentin team from Mendoza the essence of all the problems of Argentina in corruption for 320 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:51,720 a long time. Whenever there was corruption there was an accident. So, 321 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:56,880 well let' s hope to change that and for the country to get people 322 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,319 on ahead how Lucas goes from parana Mira. I don' t know if 323 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:04,039 that' s worse. For me there are two things, one about corruption 324 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:10,359 and the other about justification. Justifying corruption seems to me to be the two 325 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,000 biggest problems every life and in this case, notice that I think it matches 326 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:22,279 Hi to him how you' re doing good afternoon to all neuro The whole 327 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:23,680 team I' m emm current knows what the problem is. The essence of 328 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:29,519 the problem that doesn' t matter to people who travel on the train or, 329 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,440 whether it' s the user, doesn' t interest them. The 330 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,480 user is interested in the money you collect and lose. If you don' 331 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,480 t lose and win and don' t win, that' s the essence 332 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,680 of the problem. They don' t care about us. It' s 333 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240 interesting what she says and what Patricia Fernández writes You know the essence of the 334 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:52,039 problem. In Argentina Alejo is that we live in permanent emergency and in permanent 335 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,200 lack of controls and audits in everything. It is true, in all of 336 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,400 you loads like to see the one who permanently charges gas in a station of 337 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,200 that vice in passing and you don' t know if you' re not 338 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,960 going to blow the shit out of the gas station as if you have controls 339 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,039 and watch the benches. Those who travel inland I tell you national route is 340 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,319 one thing to get on provincial routes. You don' t know if you 341 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,599 ' re gonna get a gray bear. I like what you have later this 342 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,359 time, I like to argue you' re sarito you go why it' 343 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,000 s worth, because always, if we don' t take responsibility, you 344 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,079 have to be barking there. See if I have to charge gas every day, 345 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,480 I' m also going to worry crazy to see if I' m 346 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,599 charging because my life is going and I have to handle a non- good 347 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,000 flan training, but no or you' re going to men ah I' 348 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,519 m going to say that the one who works at the beer station aja See 349 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,440 in this case, if I have to handle a train training. While you 350 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:51,319 saw, it' s politically correct not to mess with the labourer, the 351 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:55,240 worker. Now if I know that ten days ago they stole my wires and 352 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,440 we' re waiting to see if we write well and send ourselves, we 353 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,480 work the handy to see if they see it has a front train or not, 354 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,519 it' s also my responsibility, it' s going to be minor, 355 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,119 but it also has that there is one thing. Sab takes care to 356 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,799 work what the skinny problem is, but that all of this knows where it 357 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:17,720 ' s going to go to justice and you know that it' s the 358 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:19,359 best thing for the real ones responsible for investigating the engine for twenty years, 359 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,160 they' re going to see if they took a whiskey or they' re 360 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:26,000 going to investigate the signal, because I' m going to see if they 361 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,000 were looking the other way and when they finish investigating they' re all there. 362 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,200 Well, yeah, well, it' s a justice problem that we 363 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,400 talked about, too. I want to tell you that we' re in 364 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,319 Telemax too in a few minutes. I' m already chatting. Let' 365 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,400 s talk long and hand- to- hand with Alejandro Rossitzer. We' 366 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,279 re gonna be talking. He' s got Alejandro back there, so I 367 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,559 ' m gonna talk. It' s going to be a pleasure to chat 368 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,599 with him if a person. I admire it, so let' s learn 369 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,400 a little bit about Alejandro. Clear channels at Telemax are at twenty- one, 370 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,319 that is, there were already many writing now. They' re not 371 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:56,799 here. They' re not here. They' re not really clear Yes, 372 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:03,160 the fan is the same as driving your car You always do the BTB. 373 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,759 Corruption kills. I' m going to the super chat. In this 374 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:12,640 country the one that demands quality is a ball fan says Alexander Diezer to see 375 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,319 what else Aliaga here. Joseph lived a time in Copenhagen in two thousand and 376 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,319 five. The two thousand and six I remember reading on the news that the 377 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,200 Swedish Minister of Defence had resigned because of a corruption scandal. The fact was, 378 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:37,160 he took a weekend home. I pay for a good armamentist and here 379 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,759 we punish him if he doesn' t accept you as Matris does. Obviously, 380 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,640 that' s the mecca of improvisation. Rodrigo says, she also says 381 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,319 in a super chat she thanks us and we cover the crap. I say 382 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,000 Argentine, we' re all ass I don' t know if everything is 383 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,359 guilty of this. That' s where we throw the great Zafaroni. Corruption 384 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,160 and negligence, Corruption, Corruption, Corruption. Now it had been a very 385 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,200 politically, very correct, very incorrect thing and I take care of what I 386 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,079 am going to say. We fill our mouths by saying corruption, corruption, 387 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,119 corruption, but then we don' t play dumb. Let' s not 388 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:17,000 play dumb when corruption serves us in little things, in little boluds. We 389 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,519 ' re talking about big things, but this one also works. There you 390 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,960 go to the BTB and the guy tells you it' s not working out 391 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,720 for you. The exhaust has you a little bit down, but well you 392 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,920 ' re turning Laburanda. You' re not a guy, you' re 393 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,720 not, because one day in Neura I said that corruption in Argentina is the 394 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,119 essence of the problem. In Argentina. Don' t give me the BTB 395 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,680 because my exhaust is pulling a little bit of jim down. No, no, 396 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:41,720 no, no, let' s be honest, boy. I remind 397 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:47,119 you that we are either not poop, that it is society has no reason, 398 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,440 recience, but there it has problems and education. So, of course, 399 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,480 I don' t know about you anymore to say the essence, what 400 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,119 ' s the problem in this case that you say the good essence, the 401 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:06,559 guy who smokes his car by the exhaust pipe or the BTB, because the 402 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,799 problem is BTB, because in other places they also give you the same control 403 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,680 and your car can' t work on the street has more laughs. Don 404 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,559 ' t be cured, baby They don' t charge you what they charge 405 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:19,839 you here. Then the essence is why the BTV and why not another system 406 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,160 much easier. Sure, you' re right. Agustín also gives his feedback 407 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,519 that seeking the essence of the essence is already BTB. That' s where 408 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,519 we started wrong. Then, yes, long smoke worse, but for that, 409 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,200 there are other controls and cheaper, because I don' t need to 410 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,359 charge for someone to be committing a contravention. You don' t have to 411 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,559 charge for that. Come on, sir, Ready, Long, Smoke, 412 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,799 Ready, How much nothing comes out, sir, but your car can' 413 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,960 t work. Zero exactly. I totally agree. Not tomorrow' s boot 414 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,319 ' s ready, but he' s a little prophesy. That' s 415 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,759 what it' s worth. The essence is the work. It' s 416 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,079 a little more microphone, Agustín, we raise a little bit. The essence 417 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,960 is the work. He' s always working the job. And the work. 418 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:08,119 The workman. The one who lived a copena drink that is telling you 419 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,119 clearly happened in Uruguay. I think there was a Vice President who resigned why. 420 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,240 ' Cause I don' t know,' cause if I heard, 421 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:18,200 he grabbed me with a little coke, I heard on a radio, I 422 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:18,480 don' t know. I don' t remember what to say I wouldn 423 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,480 ' t say. There was a group of chinerists. We staunchly spoke and 424 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:29,480 then you say I know you couldn' t contain it anymore and because the 425 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,359 news came out. Then the maturan said in court. Otherwise, if it 426 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,960 happens, we can' t signal either because they stole our wires. He 427 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,240 says they stole our wires And, well, it' s true that they 428 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,720 always steal cable from us, and if we ask the state in this case, 429 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:45,240 well they say they don' t bring the wires. He says, 430 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,400 but he came stealing wires from us a long time ago and says, but 431 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,119 they stole our wires. They turn to the floor and the hypercad says and 432 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,400 clearly says guilt my law says for the robacable people that one has to eat, 433 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,839 that he is a carter. No, but it' s just that 434 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,400 they tell you, it' s Argentina. There are three of us, 435 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,160 but they can' t say that. You know, you do know that 436 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,039 ' s domini, but that' s a dominid, that' s capitalizing. 437 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,079 He didn' t piss you off, and you just said it. 438 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,039 You just got this, it just happened, and people are already kicking out. 439 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,599 Guilt it was this one, you know what to talk about screwing that 440 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:21,319 up. This person was the wrong person to ask every week, but what 441 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,359 did Chu say that never traveled in the San Martín. You understand because the 442 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,759 one who travels in San Martín knows that the cables that the kilobesta years ago. 443 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,839 Then let' s stop screwing around when we don' t know a 444 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,880 better thing to keep our mouths shut and listen to the one who traveled and 445 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,319 the one who traveled is going to tell you it' s not from now 446 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:38,839 on that they' re fucking hungry. Mother wife ranes were the quinets that 447 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,960 I' m going to say something. I think he said that? Let 448 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,680 me say it' s good. He told me that. It' s 449 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,119 much worse than you say. Whoever said that shits the people who hurt themselves, 450 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,599 who could have died or whatever, because he uses those people to say 451 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:02,480 something else. He totally shits himself in everything. That is the mentality that 452 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,480 most politicians have. Well, let' s take five more minutes and I 453 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,880 ' m going to go talk to Rosshitner, with Alejandro Friday. It' 454 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,880 s gonna be a nice chat and he' s having a conversation with Alejandro. 455 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,920 It' s very special, it' s not for anyone to talk 456 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,200 to him. He invites them, he invites them, I see him sometimes 457 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:29,440 and they make them uncomfortable. You saw it to the journalists because of course 458 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:36,160 it rebukes you, it takes you to a place that sometimes bothers you and 459 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,640 some people get pedaled in the air and it' s going to cost you 460 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:42,119 or they' re going to invite you around, because from when you start 461 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:48,880 to make people stay, not on purpose, but it doesn' t do 462 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:48,440 it on purpose, but ridiculed some and you take out the basis of support. 463 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,720 He doesn' t invite you anymore. It' s a pleasure to 464 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,640 chat with ale in three minutes. I' m already with him, with 465 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,400 Rositner, so don' t leave, because there are twelve zero people on 466 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,119 the other side in the chat and this one goes to the front and re 467 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,839 - twiets, you repost it permanently, not just Milay, but I refueled 468 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:08,799 it to a lot of people and Milay constantly. I want to talk to 469 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,920 Alejandro for a little while. Well, so you believe this agustín that you 470 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,279 have to auribatize everything that comes before doubt always, always because we know perfectly 471 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,960 well that everything in the hand of the state is subject. He' s 472 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,000 tied up. The UVA is handy, the tow looks at Monday how it 473 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,680 works. The grape can' t, can' t. There' s 474 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240 a bad face, huh? If you fuck up what I tell you next 475 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:44,519 Monday, I' ll show you how in time. It' s hard. 476 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,000 It' s hard. That' s why the cultural battle is so 477 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,960 hard. It' s very hard. Some in the cultural battle, as 478 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,000 happened the other day to Canaletti and I can catch an attack like me from 479 00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:58,759 the brawl. But the reality is that it' s very hard. There 480 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:04,079 are places I' ll tell you one. There are places where they impose 481 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,559 things on you simply because they decided. Well, then. What I want 482 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,680 you to say is clearly this isn' t going anymore. It' s 483 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,319 over. It' s enough that it' s in the hands of one 484 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,279 At least we have someone to blame for it. We can' t blame 485 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,559 him here. In the end we end up being the fault of the train 486 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,119 accidents. Yeah, well, look, you know what happens. You' 487 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,079 re because you threw it out to my law, well, you' re 488 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,400 because you wanted to read it or because you wanted it there. I threw 489 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,640 it away well, as if, your fault. We don' t have 490 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,279 someone to blame, at least, because here we always end up being the 491 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400 citizens to blame. Oh no, the engine' s fault was taken from 492 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,680 whiskey and what do we know if it' s true all lies how it 493 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,079 happened. That' s not what I said I didn' t want to 494 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,880 go That' s why I said no. But that' s why I 495 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,000 told you that I didn' t just want to go to the fact, 496 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,920 to the accident itself. But for it may also be that in this case, 497 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,920 if we remain analyzing only whose fault it was. We' ll keep 498 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,159 a little thing. So now it may be that the assessments give in this 499 00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:10,199 case that there was a human failure. It may be Augustin, but we 500 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,760 want to go beyond human failure. That' s why I wanted to talk 501 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,480 decency to you. I read two more and I' m going to talk 502 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,039 to Roshitner. It' s all rotten says one over here give me three 503 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,960 quick messages and I' ll go with ale Dale how bad you guys are. 504 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,679 I' m gonna have a lot of people listening to laura in factories 505 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,679 and a lot of people out in multinationals. In my experience, it is 506 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:43,119 obvious that they all have international security seals. He made World class security, 507 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,159 so there' s a protocol for everything. People are coming to monitor that 508 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,760 all employees are complying with the regulations, that is, you' re going 509 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960 to tell us what' s going on and I' m waiting to see 510 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,119 what you' re telling me, but what do I know? Hi, 511 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,159 Alejandro Panel I' m talking Look. I believe that the issue that you 512 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,480 talk about in essence has to do with what I call the benefit of ignorance 513 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:15,280 or some sort of self- destructive obsession that we have in our society. 514 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:23,119 Basically, we think we can go out with a submarine out of condition, 515 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:31,599 with a train destroyed, without brake, without signaling. Anyway, it has 516 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,480 to do with ourselves. I had to say a little thing, what he 517 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,159 said and we closed. I catch every night AvenidaÁlvarez Thomas and there' 518 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,760 s a level step that has a garita. There and sometimes they lift the 519 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,679 barrier and I look at the sides, because I don' t want to 520 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,480 be in hand only signpost, because you may have fallen asleep that I know 521 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,400 I' m going to have a problem with you. We' re all 522 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:59,800 the time taken from the We' re hung on a little wire. You 523 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,679 come in. It' s not your fluala going into the river that stops 524 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:06,960 well give me the last one and we say goodbye and I go with Rossitner 525 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,079 Dales is that the companies are private, but the government won' t let 526 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,559 them put it the right rate. They forbid it. That' s why 527 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,519 it' s malfunctioning. When you price it, you put a stop to 528 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:21,480 it. You can' t give the proper service guys a minute. I 529 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:22,760 put a temite. That' s how I feel. Alexander here in his 530 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,280 hand- to- hand. We went out for a coffee and it' 531 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,800 s good Friday to close the week chatting with Alejandro. It' s very 532 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,000 interesting to hear it. Alexander is think, think, Fly, fly intellectually, 533 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:43,119 fly and go to the common front like a horse. This Roberto Passucci 534 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,960 job, well you leave or you stay like this little chitchat like you leave 535 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,480 when I go out, I won' t be good. That' s 536 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,159 how we talk titties. First I have everything I have for you I have 537 00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,079 all these things first gave in the key all good things to tell you bank 538 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,519 you a second. Pretty band. We are almost twelve thousand five hundred on 539 00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:07,199 the other side, one minute, a temite and I go to Rossisner and 540 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:15,199 we chat with Alejandro Vale Multiverso fantino. Monday to Friday seventeen, nineteen neura 541 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:23,880 thirty- nine seven. Here we were chatting with Alejandro, with Rochinner how 542 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,679 you walk well, dear, very well. Thank you very much for the 543 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,239 invitation. You' re a doctor of philosophy. First of all, congratulations 544 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,360 on parenting thanks to cern is a great moment, a great life for a 545 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,280 person. What a moment you daddies, yes, yes, I have three 546 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:45,280 boys, how old they are twenty, seventeen and fifteen, what a time 547 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,760 what a train. My feeling is that the bottom of existence is warmer. 548 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,119 You have a son, I' m afraid I don' t know why. 549 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:53,559 It' s kind of mysterious and it' s all going through you. 550 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,519 That' s right. I leave you a sense of everything you do. 551 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,159 I dyed it to you exactly. I was telling you that you are 552 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,840 a graduate or a graduate in philosophy from the UCB Central University of Venezuela, 553 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,880 what you dedicated yourself to within philosophy. Well, I dedicated myself to not 554 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,559 doing academic philosophy. Let' s say. I had at one point a 555 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,519 scholarship at the Coniset to do a job on Geordano Bruno, but I didn 556 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:29,119 ' t care about the academic record I found very sterilizing. Let' s 557 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,519 say when someone asks me where he studied philosophy, I tell him better, 558 00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,280 don' t study philosophy. How nice of you to say that, how 559 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:42,639 sterile you think of the academic world. How they get self- disturbed, 560 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:49,159 they talk to themselves. Maybe we could say it, so I like to 561 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,679 raise it. Thus, philosophy in the academic world is to study thought, 562 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,320 to study the history of thought above all. But I believe that philosophy is 563 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,159 not a study, it is a clear action. Thus, you are the 564 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,920 person trying to elaborate the meaning of his life and life and good, posing 565 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,840 more than being a discipline. I think it' s indiscipline. In addition, 566 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:14,280 there is a philosophy at all times there was philosophy. A little while 567 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,559 ago when we tried to find an answer. There' s philosophy in a 568 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,159 bar There' s philosophy in a table talk. There is philosophy in every 569 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,840 way. I love it You know I' m raising it and I like 570 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,159 to discuss it with you. I' m gonna ask you. Let' 571 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:34,480 s also talk about your book I' m quite a bit To me it 572 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,320 makes a lot of noise the word truth within what I study in philosophy. 573 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:45,079 I love mostly foki of les and for me the truth is a construction of 574 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,039 power. It' s genealogical. Truth is a matter of time and moment. 575 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,360 Depending on who has the strength to install it, then it' s 576 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,800 not hard for me to really talk. I find it difficult even to listen 577 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,280 when the radios tell the radio of truth to tell you the reality instead of 578 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,280 the real because what I know I don' t know I ask you you 579 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,360 you think there is a truth and then you start talking about journalism. Look 580 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,239 at super central problem. There aren' t a thousand versions. I tell 581 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,840 you how I would approach it from a first glance. There are like two 582 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,000 levels, a level where truth yes, we can say, it is relative 583 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:28,320 and the perfect case is the one I heard from my Lacanian analyst referring to 584 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,199 that school of thought, where it seems that the cand says that in a 585 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:37,880 couple arguing it is not so much about seeing and tea of truth, but 586 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,679 of rit of variety. So I think there' s a level where the 587 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,880 thing has to do with the variety, with the difference. Then you can 588 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,639 ' t finish a truth there, but there' s another level where there 589 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,880 is a material reality, that is, kids aren' t born of a 590 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,920 cabbage. In such a government, gas is exported. Gas is imported into 591 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:58,440 such a government. Inflation has such a number there is a concrete material reality. 592 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:00,719 That' s a fact to all my clear, they' re facts. 593 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,800 So I think what happens with intellectuality in general is that and with progressism 594 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,280 above all it loves to question the existence of reality, because its business is 595 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,239 to live in the world of fiction, that is, there is no nature. 596 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,800 It' s a cultural construct, the idea of nature. Now I 597 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,880 do not agree to repeat that is good to think about, to see progressism 598 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,679 and the intellectual works for himself, to say that all is defined in the 599 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,320 plane of ideas. Then it takes away the weight of reality. But progressism 600 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:37,400 is good. There' s no nature. If you are a male or 601 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:42,519 have a male identification, it is because culture and society led you to that. 602 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,800 And then you read the book of the French primatologist de val who recently 603 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,679 died to a guy who studied primates, not cousins, the most interesting cousins. 604 00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,440 The guy was a Nobel Prize winner. He says that when a chimpanzee 605 00:41:54,519 --> 00:42:00,079 baby is born, all the females are around the creature trying to touch it 606 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,239 and the males are still out there playing the fight. What' s that? 607 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,840 Capitalism, snow and violism put him in school. It does not seem 608 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,800 that there are traits of nature that associate the feminine with certain roles and the 609 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,559 masculine with certain other roles, than later. That doesn' t mean that 610 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:19,920 all women should be maternal. It' s great that all boys don' 611 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,119 t have to play ball. It is very well, of course, that 612 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:28,719 we accept that variety and legitimize the mode of sexual enjoyment that you want or 613 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,519 almost as long as you do not harm to put or identify. But there 614 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:35,719 is nature, there are things that are similar and one observes the animal world, 615 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,960 in some cases more masculine, more male and more female. That also 616 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:43,480 exists. Good. It' s good after. I' m gonna get 617 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:47,000 in there too. But for me I take it to the plane, a 618 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:53,840 plane that I love to put into discussion, which is what ours is communication 619 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,639 and journalism. I feel like they' re starting to look at me from 620 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:02,440 the side. A lot of colleagues, my chepa that you get in kilombo, 621 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,639 et cetera, et cetera. I' ll hold. I think it 622 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:14,360 ' s my idea to say that what my law did is to discuss the 623 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,239 monopoly of truth to a power or, to a very powerful system that long 624 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,920 named things. You must have read much more than I read the genealogy of 625 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,320 morality. Nitche says that the name of things I call you by the nobles, 626 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,360 we truthful ones, says in a sentence and journalism in this country, 627 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,920 for at least a long time they were the truthful ones. We, the 628 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:40,119 truthful, name things. Rossisner' s a donkey. It puts you clarin 629 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,840 nation infobae and rosenne for more than if a Crack you' re going to 630 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,519 make a donkey. We' ll see them, uh, this guy comes 631 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,960 by Miley and says" he" so they' re not just going to 632 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,400 name things. I am discussing the monopoly of naming you and it is a 633 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,960 big issue. When you discuss the monopoly name, you' ll say you 634 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,880 threw one Jordan h Bru burned for discussing the monopoly of truth. I like 635 00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:10,119 your reading of what she did, what Mila' s doing and it' 636 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,440 s also interesting for you to get into quilombo. He just got into a 637 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,400 tremendous quilombo and his disruptive and a little beastly style. Finally, he was 638 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,840 the one who managed to accumulate the strength and the vote needed to move forward 639 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,800 with a change that Argentina had and has to make. So sometimes quilombo is 640 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,039 the way, because people tell him, criticize my law to be on Twitter 641 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:42,480 say anything and be beastly and angry. I think that' s part of 642 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,440 his positive attributes. Let' s just say I don' t think it 643 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,760 ' s wrong. I think I argue with her you saw that she gets 644 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,480 angry to see if I was criticized because I held and defended the idea that 645 00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:58,079 if you can say anything as a journalist and well, you have to be 646 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:00,519 sure that the other side can also tell you anything. But journalism hides and 647 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:07,320 says no. For us we are the fourth power, we are a democratic 648 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,960 guardian, etcetera, etcetera. And I think a guy like debible and he 649 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:13,960 comes to discuss that and he' s already being discussed by social networks and 650 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,280 the horizontality of communication. That' s why I' m asking you where 651 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,639 you stand there what you see with this discussion of journalism. I completely agree 652 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:25,159 with you and believe that those who criticize your way of expressing themselves want to 653 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,239 freeze you in an investiture that binds you as if you were a mummy and 654 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,440 cannot say anything when you actually changed the style of communication. And just as 655 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:38,280 journalists are also more informal and say with complete freedom what they want. It 656 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,039 must be accepted that the President, as a citizen, can also speak. 657 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,239 I think I like to say it that way. Those who criticize forms hide 658 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,119 a background. Those who criticize him in the form, hide a fund that 659 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000 believes him there would be that fund, the bottom of which we can return 660 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,559 to what you raised at the beginning of the background has a reality that we 661 00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,360 do not have to dare since we live in another way, because we have 662 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,519 to protect the curross. Then, if you dare forgive me the reality, 663 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,239 it is debatable. What is not debatable is the real thing. Then we 664 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,679 ' ll talk whether or not the real is accessed. But reality is debatable. 665 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,880 I walk away because if I throw an apple from the fifth floor, 666 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,760 a balcony, what I' m seeing is the fall in reality. But 667 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,719 the real thing I don' t see. It falls elliptically into the real, 668 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:28,800 but the reality is that I see it fall straight, so I don 669 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,360 ' t give in to the real. I just don' t understand, 670 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,840 marrying the difference you' re working between real and reality. We understand that 671 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,199 when you deal with those terms, you can define them according to their use. 672 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,039 Absolutely clear what I' m saying. Journalism is handled on the level 673 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:47,199 of reality, not the real you and I are thinking and moving on the 674 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,159 level of reality, not on the level of the real. We don' 675 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,800 t do the real thing You' re saying it' s more concrete, 676 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,920 more material. I don' t know what the real thing is is what 677 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:01,880 it really is or what it really is. I' m not talking about 678 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,760 a metaphysical issue. Uh, I' m not talking to you about a 679 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,159 cantian question, numenic question or that which I don' t agree with. 680 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,480 No, I' m not talking about the real thing. I put the 681 00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:14,599 case of gravity. I throw a plumb to a fifth floor. I see 682 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,800 her falling straight, but it' s actually what I' m seeing. 683 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,239 The real thing is that it doesn' t fall straight, it falls like 684 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,400 some kind of ellipse. Then reality is moving us. Right now you feel 685 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,920 like you' re not moving and the earth is moving and at a great 686 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,039 speed. Reality tells you you' re not moving, but the real thing 687 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,000 is you' re moving. On what level we discussed. No, I 688 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:43,760 don' t know how you applied that to journalism. Let' s talk 689 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:49,199 journalism. Journalism argues on the level of reality. Then the plan of reality 690 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,880 becomes all debatable. It' s okay to see if maybe I could translate 691 00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:00,960 it. You saw every thinker you use a repertoire of resources and sometimes I 692 00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:06,400 then diagonally love that it enriches me. I' m not trying to understand, 693 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,519 and I' m telling you how I' m thinking about it See 694 00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,760 if it works. I recently came up with this saying that militants act, 695 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,719 that is, they fake the street march, they take actors in micros, 696 00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,920 they give them catering, they make them an ambiactus, you dress like it 697 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,239 was. It' s a great representation. We' re going to act 698 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,199 like a town. It' s a performance. The militants act and the 699 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:37,360 militant actors stop to repeat them. Yes, your sights. The militants act 700 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:43,760 and the actors limit. But then what we get as a conclusion or as 701 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,920 a next step to keep thinking. For me one of the main things is 702 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,639 the distinction between fiction and reality. There are the fictional ones, the symbolic 703 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,960 ones that tell you that they defend the people, although they do shit to 704 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,800 the country and they leave the highest level of poverty that existed and making the 705 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,320 popular ones steal by hands because they are the popular ones and it seems that 706 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:06,280 that legitimizing the propolically the polars are carrying the poster, we are the popular 707 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,360 ones. Don' t be so popular, they' re gonna destroy the 708 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,400 town. You should tell them there aren' t the popular ones. And 709 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,320 then there' s the half Garca voter who voted for something they don' 710 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,679 t like. Then you have to criticize them, because that' s what 711 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:20,039 they tend to do. I mean, there' s one I' d 712 00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,239 say there' s a reality, which is the level of poverty. Then 713 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,400 there is what is usually called the story, that we can change the word 714 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,679 so that we don' t always use the same words, say fiction or 715 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:35,239 use one of those terms that you said where they can stand as if they 716 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,599 defended the country those just who destroy it yes, it' s true. 717 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,119 It doesn' t change. We defend the people, the unemployed said and 718 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,480 if they had asked the people, it is to go to the voter the 719 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:45,760 boot would have said no. Thank you, don' t defend me. 720 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,960 Let me work well, because so much that you defended me, you' 721 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,079 re destroying me. But it' s just that that' s the amazing 722 00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:54,360 thing to see. I don' t know if he goes outside far. 723 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,840 I don' t know what the rest of the world is like, but 724 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:06,000 in Argentina, every actor, every actor or every social or political subject defends 725 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:07,840 and defines what he understands. It' s actually looking at us and almost 726 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,920 ten thousand people on the other side listening not if you' re going to 727 00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,159 make a hundred and twenty thousand, because this remains and everyone sees a different 728 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:20,679 reality. Well, there are personal variations, that' s true, but 729 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,840 I think we should also identify that level of reality. Where inflation is fifty 730 00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:32,320 percent or ten percent, where we say creatures are born from a female body 731 00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:38,639 or a scientific list system, but they are not born from a cabbage. 732 00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:43,199 No good, there' s reality. I didn' t give you those 733 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,039 examples. We could look for a total. There are things that I don 734 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,239 ' t want to put into real material, not reality, because I lost 735 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,119 myself, but there are material issues that would give the impression don' t 736 00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,039 depend on interpretation. They exist after they can be interpreted by someone. I 737 00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,960 could say no. These degenerates want you to have the fridge full, but 738 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,199 you know why. Because they want to sell their products. You see, 739 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,159 they want you to have good. It does not seem to me to be 740 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,360 an argument, a correct interpretation of a reality that we all want to have 741 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,960 full ice cream. I' m interested that it' s not a talk, 742 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,840 an interview of mine, but that you also propose things that are making 743 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,159 you think today and that some categories, some things that you' re working 744 00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,199 on, that you' re working on, that you' re thinking about 745 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,400 in the book now we' re going to get into this. But today 746 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,679 you saw that the one who goes through this guild, this profession, this 747 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,800 love for philosophy, is connecting at least to me only for that, to 748 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,320 connect some ideas. Dressed up a few days ago vain makes you not five 749 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,800 days ago retake Nische and out there next week I wanted to return to Kant 750 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,280 again and walked with desire of thorny a few days ago, but I didn 751 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:54,239 ' t have many. I feel like spinofs. You' re up for 752 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,920 it today. It' s final you say you got up. Okay. 753 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,320 It' s okay. Laugh a spiny. There was some spino look. 754 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:07,559 Kirnerism has a bit of spiny. Criminism has some spinyness with Cristina and Nestor. 755 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,519 Cannonism has Cristina and Nestor. You saw how thorny he speaks of pantheism. 756 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,239 There' s God. There is God everywhere, there is God anywhere 757 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,719 and anywhere. There' s God. There' s God' s signature, 758 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,079 crinanism. It' s a little spinocean, because it' s pantheistic, 759 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,159 but let' s not get into issues that can make pure straw. 760 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,880 What are you thinking today, what do you feel like talking about? Well, 761 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,400 I saw you, I brought you the conversation for this distinction between fiction 762 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,559 or reality, which is one of the things that I find important. I 763 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:44,039 was just listening when you were raising the subject of the essence of Argentine. 764 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,760 I, rather than speaking of essence, in my terms, would say as 765 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,519 the defining trait, the central trait, and it occurred to me. I 766 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:58,480 was trying to figure out what my answer to your question would be and maybe 767 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:04,679 I would talk about a kind of infantilism from Argentina, an inability to see 768 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760 reality and, rather to get hooked on a somewhat lying vision to determine it 769 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:15,639 as a historical scroll, or from now on I don' t think in 770 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:22,239 historical terms. It seems to me that history is overvalued as a guiding factor, 771 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,800 and that I also understood with the mechanism, and it seems to me 772 00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:29,360 to be both applicable to the sphere of personal experience and social experience. What 773 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,559 does this mean? In general, the question that one asks is how we 774 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,719 got here. It' s important to study history, because that' s 775 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,159 going to tell us what we have to do. If it were true, 776 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,159 we' d be oriented by now. Argentina spends time thinking about the past 777 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,920 and is disoriented in the present, because what guides is not what happened before, 778 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,039 nor an objective evaluation of what will happen. What guidance is what you 779 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,920 want, what do we want to do and how are we going to do 780 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,519 it? That is the plane of contact with dynamic and truer reality. I 781 00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,440 think so. You think I' m gonna rip it off. Then I 782 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,440 ' m going to say one thing about chan, that we could apply it 783 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,559 to thinking about Argentina. You think today people, or in this last time 784 00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,119 they voted Milay for a what she wants, for a what do you want? 785 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:13,159 I think there is. I see it' s a hypothesis. Hypothesis 786 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:20,320 is I see a maturation in the voter that I did not see for example, 787 00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:27,480 when in the option between repeating Mauritius and voting Alberto chose to vote crime 788 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,440 again knowing well, having had the evidence that criminal kitsonism and inefficiency in management. 789 00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,119 Well, I think there' s a childishness of believing that these are 790 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,880 going to do me better without there being any reason to believe it, just 791 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,280 to want to get out of the difficulty, that the difficulty was where we 792 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,000 ' re going now. But give it the impression that the majority, mature 793 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,800 voter And, he understood that you have to pass, You have to operate, 794 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,599 you have to operate. You are not going to save yourself from the 795 00:54:53,639 --> 00:55:00,440 disease you have praying or following lying leaders. We have to operate and now 796 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,880 Milay is operating and Argentina is reacting well and, of course, we can 797 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,440 ' t go running because we' re in the full operating room. So, 798 00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:14,599 for one more thing, on a personal level, I don' t 799 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,519 think it' s necessary to explain the present for what happened to you in 800 00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,800 childhood. I think that' s looking where you don' t have to 801 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,400 look. What you have to look at is how your current life works. 802 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:29,000 What they pose as the structure. Not the past, well, no, 803 00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,119 no, but hit him, get in, get in. There' s 804 00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:36,159 one phrase they say is determination. It' s not the past, but 805 00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:37,639 the enjoyment, that is, what determines you, what makes you like you 806 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,280 are, it' s not what happened before that' s the usual, 807 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,719 incomprehensible general explanation. And then we can see what makes you do as it 808 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,159 is your way. It' s a strange term you use us in a 809 00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:55,480 weird way, but it' s your way of finding satisfaction in satisfaction. 810 00:55:55,519 --> 00:56:00,440 There may be two basic voice regimes. They explain a positive or negative. 811 00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:05,280 The positive is pleasure. The negative is that strange satisfaction one has when it 812 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,039 is curled up in situations that make it peace of being, but equally unconsciously, 813 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,480 they are satisfying. Sure, let' s not get into that klongo. 814 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,320 Or yes, but the Argentine, for example, loves to live the 815 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,639 whores. No, but he almost seems to prefer it. It' s 816 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:22,119 a Lacanian trait. The Argentine is right because there is a joy. There 817 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:28,440 ' s a joy. It is a delightful horror to look at the joy, 818 00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:31,039 to be sad that vain custom that leans me south, to a certain 819 00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:36,280 door, to a certain corner. That idea is said. The house didn 820 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,280 ' t make it up, which they use in a very interesting way. 821 00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:45,639 There are other ways you can also use Junson, because you know it' 822 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:51,079 s good for you to bring the can here. Yes, and this is 823 00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,719 what streaming and a channel like this in neura allows to enter a world one 824 00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,400 way or another with three or four Lacanian terms that television would vomit at us, 825 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:06,000 expel us and on the other side, no one will be angry if 826 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:14,880 we chat three four minutes using terms that are difficult to access alone, but 827 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,519 talking about it or we have to talk about it the same way, it 828 00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:16,519 ' s going to be hard to understand what we' re going to do. 829 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:22,280 I' m going to try now to throw you to see if you 830 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,280 bite me and help me play a little bit and the little ball, whatever, 831 00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:32,239 Lacanian terms, let' s play a tennis with terms of the cane 832 00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,719 to see from the three records. The one I' m going to take 833 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,199 to express this idea to you is the record of the real in Can You 834 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,639 know better than I do that the record of the real generates an aspect, 835 00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:53,920 which is that I don' t have repressed what is just the core of 836 00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:57,159 the real, but I have it closed ford. I can' t name 837 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,880 it. I can' t name what' s on the record of the 838 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,679 real, the traumatic bad situation, or whatever you want to put there as 839 00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,920 a nucleus. So, if I could name it, I could tell you 840 00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:16,840 that I could symbolize it. I could go to the psychoanalyst and Freudianally talking 841 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,280 about what I have repressed the guy saka me and I could cure it, 842 00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,159 but since it' s ford enclosed the cane, mint talking, I have 843 00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,679 no way of naming it. Then it' s going to stay permanently on 844 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,159 the record of the real and it' s going to give me symptoms. 845 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:37,119 Then I have to analyze those symptoms. If you see that you have probably 846 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,519 read more than I do, you argue that a symptom of a society can 847 00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:45,519 be its jokes, its popular devotions, its film production. Hollywood is a 848 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:51,719 symptom of American society. I propose to talk about some symptoms in the record 849 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,880 of how real Argentine politics throws away or that throws Argentina away. I throw 850 00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,159 one in the wad you' re read. A year ago a little less 851 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:04,559 I got up and the tendency of the triple a. What happened to me 852 00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:08,039 triple a. Tendencia was a 20- year- old kid with minimally managers 853 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:15,840 fajor is tripled and tripled Argentina. The richest alphajores were clear and tended to 854 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:21,719 triple a. Okay. That' s a symptom. That' s a 855 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,039 symptom of something is confined to an era that' s forced into it. 856 00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:29,199 I interpret it this way from the 70s that still pulls, a symptom that 857 00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:31,039 we still can' t get to afloat and we can' t talk about 858 00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:35,880 it. Then I propose to talk a little bit about the symptoms of our 859 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,880 society. Well, I' m gonna try to get close to your stand 860 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,679 for a spin that' s me. I don' t like to say 861 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,400 cahn, I don' t like to say the word canan because I don 862 00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:49,599 ' t like Lacadians who speak in a very closed jargon that doesn' t 863 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,480 try to explain. The mst doesn' t read the can I read Jackson, 864 00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:55,159 a thousand Ler his disciple, read my analyst, etcetera. I don 865 00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:57,800 ' t like to say the bell. I don' t like cane very 866 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,159 much. I don' t like that dark habit of not creating explanation and 867 01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,039 sometimes themselves the impression they don' t know very well what they' re 868 01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:06,079 saying. And besides, I don' t like the political position that abounds 869 01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:07,960 in these environments. For me, it' s proof that they won' 870 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,400 t cure anyone. They' re all k so you' re going to 871 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,000 look for us clearly there' s my modest opinion. So you won' 872 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:16,480 t cure anything. It' s not me It' s not me It 873 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:19,800 ' s not me It' s not me. I' ll take it 874 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,239 from the surgery. Still don' t read what' s planted. I 875 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:23,960 tell you what happens to me. I don' t like to say chan 876 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,480 when I' m just. When you got into it, I put that 877 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,800 idea out there. I repented immediately because I put the conversation something I didn 878 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,599 ' t want to put there. We have other symptoms. If you want 879 01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,119 to tell me about the three non- imaginary, real symbolic records. I 880 01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:42,280 don' t quite understand the difference between imagining imaginary things that cost me the 881 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,559 most, but I don' t know if I could go on. If 882 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,599 there' s nothing you can take care of. There is nothing more Lacanian 883 01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,840 than those of the champagne, the homeland is the other good, the little 884 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,280 other or the great other. There' s nothing to do with it. 885 01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:58,639 I don' t make myself, I can' t take care of those 886 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,039 categories the Candians, nor can I pose at all as a great connoisseur of 887 01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:06,360 those theories. I take things from there that seem very interesting to me, 888 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,639 but by no means would I say that I am a great connoisseur of that. 889 01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:13,679 No, if sec I don' t like it because if I know 890 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,400 that I see it the yarn that thinkers have in general, which is that 891 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,639 it is usually to say that the world today, it is getting worse and 892 01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:28,000 we go nowhere and criticism the culture. For me, that is ignorance and 893 01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:31,239 powerlessness of thought, it is by no means honoring and that is what the 894 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:37,239 vast majority of intellectuals and thinkers have. The critical, disenchanted trait is septic 895 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,000 and they think that' s smart. For me, that' s not 896 01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:43,039 being smart, it' s more like being incapable of life and a little 897 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,400 weak. But it' s fine and maybe in another time, plus, 898 01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,480 more logical. I think it' s absurd these days. That' s 899 01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:51,320 why I like to refer to a book that I don' t know if 900 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,360 you know it' s fabulous that it' s called Norber' s progress, 901 01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:57,440 that a Swede who takes a job, a Swede who takes the job 902 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,320 of doing a minus research is called Norberg' s son is progress. He 903 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:01,159 ' ll see I tell you he' s the guy he took. The 904 01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:06,039 job. It will be a thorough investigation of the current situation of humanity in 905 01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:14,039 all relevant Italians, violence, food, education, health, etc, and 906 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:19,440 concludes with statistical tables in an unquestionable way that we are at the best moment 907 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,159 of civilization. Then you can say ay no. I don' t see 908 01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:24,199 it that way. Nobody cares. There' s a reality. In fact, 909 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,679 before, if you really knew what life was a hundred years ago, 910 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,760 two hundred out of three hundred nine, even fifty years ago, there were 911 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:36,159 many things much worse than now. If you know what that reality really is, 912 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,440 you can' t say that you don' t know where this is 913 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:43,000 going to end, because it' s just ignorance. Or it' s 914 01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:46,199 a feeling. He' s a ghost. We would say a personal sense 915 01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:50,000 of despair, since, of course, it is legitimate. There' s 916 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,199 one very funny thing in the Norbr' s Book the guy puts up a 917 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,599 quote that says young people don' t respect anything anymore. Traditions have been 918 01:02:55,639 --> 01:03:00,679 lost. It is a date to the thirteenth century, before Christ. So 919 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,639 it means that that' s structural, it' s a human look at 920 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:07,000 what' s going on, it has nothing to do with what' s 921 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,280 really going on. It repeats permanent. Sure, sure. So, if 922 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,199 you look at the island and I started reading the book if Sex about the 923 01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:15,480 can didn' t interest me at all and I think you have to be 924 01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,039 absolutely the guaje, the sublimism object of ideology. Those books don' t 925 01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:21,599 throw the words ideology at me, they don' t make me want to 926 01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,239 read a book, but well it' s everyone, everyone or I' 927 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,880 m on the other hand, you don' t read a book, it 928 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,519 ' s already an ideology. No, but like we say, like we 929 01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,000 say with my kids fucking around, I don' t like it. I 930 01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:35,000 didn' t read it and how do you know that what you don' 931 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:38,199 t like, Mr Well, that' s exactly why I didn' t 932 01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:43,559 read it isn' t very good. Listen to me then now and I 933 01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:45,840 take one more turn that everyone has their references, I my most basic references. 934 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,639 You speak, you have many philosophical references in your head sing spiny. 935 01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:53,519 I don' t have that one. I have nitche that. For me, 936 01:03:54,320 --> 01:04:00,760 my main interlocutor, canism and mosen. But I' m sorry I 937 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,280 ' m leaving, but you' ve written things. You brought me a 938 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,440 book of loose animals a while back that was very interesting. I just think 939 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,760 it was about happiness. I didn' t bring it, but I have 940 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,400 it in the library. But how you' re going to go through lacanism 941 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,639 without the cano. It' s not about me going to alcanism. I 942 01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:20,719 ' m thinking and I' m getting what I need and well, but 943 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,599 I' m not done at Miller. He' s a guy who was 944 01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:27,119 a face disciple. I' m not studying in quality well, I' 945 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,639 m not giving terms of hand. Yeah, then it' s lacanism. 946 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,119 Good to be able to find him. I believe there are great coincidences or 947 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:42,079 complementations between Candnitch and Zen Buddhism. Well, right here I was talking about 948 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,679 Zen, it seems, but I' m not studying. To say I 949 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:50,400 don' t want to be a dog specialist and say I' m a 950 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,719 scholar. I know the song. I want to think about reality and to 951 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,199 do that, I take what works for me, with total innocence and savagery. 952 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,639 Then I don' t have to read to the people what' s 953 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,880 good for you what' s on your hands to explain this reality. Well, 954 01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:06,800 all the things that come exposing you. All that has to do with 955 01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:11,719 this repertoire of things, but you wanted to get to what you said about 956 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,360 Argentine symptoms. No yes, I think we need to clarify the fact that 957 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,320 symptoms are not negative. There are no people without total symptoms. No, 958 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:24,079 I mean, we all have and say what symptom means. There are ways 959 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:29,639 of fundamental inadequacy between one person and the others, between one person and the 960 01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:32,559 underworld. I mean, it' s also a slightly mistaken term, because 961 01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:38,599 symptom belongs to the range of pathology. Not a symptom what the doctor says 962 01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,840 is what symptoms he has, he has snot, he has his throat taken, 963 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,719 no, then he has the flu. Well, then symptom is a 964 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,480 way of talking about interesting ways. The symptoms are there as a challenge to 965 01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:53,880 interpretation. It' s a term that allows you to grasp things like the 966 01:05:53,880 --> 01:06:00,000 ones you raised. Just that repercussion of the term read. For this one 967 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:04,840 we could say to bring up something that is out of the conversation, but 968 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:11,679 that it seems necessary to retake from another symptom the discussion of a number in 969 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,760 the number of missing persons. Yeah, another society doesn' t argue with 970 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,440 you the amount. I' m telling you, look whether or not there 971 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,760 was a missing person. Another wait is waiting there. I wanted to tell 972 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,840 you something too because I think there' s something you don' t school 973 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,239 very easily that you don' t put me in my left- handed place. 974 01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,920 Not only will you be able to do so, but if you think 975 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,199 I don' t realize it, you can do the interview you did for 976 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,880 my fabulous interview It' s very clear to me that you don' t 977 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:41,800 belong to that group. It' s not preparing I forgot. You' 978 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,760 re asking me something. No, no, because you' re asking me 979 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:50,800 something about what you saw that you unnecessarily say in this country alone such ignorance. 980 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:56,440 In all countries. Things happen in some worse in other months. In 981 01:06:56,599 --> 01:07:00,679 all countries there is always permanent quilombo. Human society is an endless quilombo and 982 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,559 it is not bad that it is. It' s not a flaw. 983 01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:08,840 It is the vitality of the natural human phenomenon. Human societies are always a 984 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:15,199 kilo. There are worse lombos, second war, no k etc. Wars 985 01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:18,679 are better quilombos. Well, the master is not bombing anything. We do 986 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,880 not have thousands of dead, a little populism next to Europe, which had 987 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,199 two world wars of the last century, seventy million dead. Well, we 988 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,320 usually say only in this country there' s fake corruption. In Japan he 989 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:36,079 did not commit suicide at some point a high leader in corruption is part of 990 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:41,440 the human experience. I don' t want to justify our high level of 991 01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:45,559 corruption, but I think that, understanding that corruption is part of human nature, 992 01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:49,159 we' re going to be more able to limit it than if we 993 01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:50,840 believe that these things happen only in this country. Everything that happens here happens 994 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:56,599 somewhere else. I love it too. You wanted to add something else to 995 01:07:56,599 --> 01:08:00,280 the symptoms that don' t throw me into Argentina. There' s some 996 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,639 other coma you want. If I can think of a beginning. I don 997 01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:12,960 ' t want you trying to help me connect from your knowledge, because obviously, 998 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,520 you' re a good Nitsche reader. What features my law connects with 999 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:24,760 Nische. You saw that to see we think, that is, I am 1000 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,640 not a great reader of Nitsche, but there is some paragraph or there is 1001 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:35,560 some sentence of that. He spoke Saratusta, where my law speaks to people 1002 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:41,079 who could connect with some sort of passing there, for example, the nitche 1003 01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:48,880 that kills God is not my law killing traditional politics in Argentina. That' 1004 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,319 s not to propose to see give him one of the Sarathustra that you to 1005 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,520 Sarathustra in a chapter that I don' t think it is now. I 1006 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,520 don' t remember. He makes the well- known difference, but it 1007 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,079 is very good between being free d and being free to enter that I love. 1008 01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:09,279 I didn' t read that being free d is. I don' 1009 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,560 t listen to Mom' s dad anymore. I already got rid of them 1010 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,760 very well. And what are you going to do now, no one else 1011 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,319 is going to tell me what I have to do. They no longer have 1012 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,680 power over my life. It' s not perfect, but and then what 1013 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,720 you' re going to do, because Dad and Mom, that free being 1014 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,279 of him guy takes off someone' s power, but what it puts in 1015 01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,000 that open space of his freedom. Still nothing to be free of him. 1016 01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,960 Says some who threw away their last courage by throwing away their servitude. If 1017 01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:40,079 you took off the one who dominated you. But you can' t do 1018 01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:43,319 anything with empty space, because for that you have to be stronger. It 1019 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,960 ' s another step. You' re free to be free to live my 1020 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,479 life. I don' t listen to him now, Dad and Mom. 1021 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,840 I' m going with my girlfriend, I make my life, I' 1022 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,000 m going to have my life with my judgment. They have their vision, 1023 01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:57,439 I have mine. I still want it, but I do it in my 1024 01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,560 life. So what' s your life? Well, my life is that 1025 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,199 I want to do such an undertaking, I' m going to get together 1026 01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:04,199 with such, I' m going to do something to put in that empty 1027 01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:08,760 space freedom. So being free is the point. Let' s say from 1028 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,680 the left that they' re always talking about mom and dad, the ones 1029 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,880 that restrict us, they prevent us, but for what are you going to 1030 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,680 do? I' m going to stop them from restricting us and preventing us. 1031 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,319 Yeah, yeah, okay, we' re really good at you, 1032 01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:21,079 but what you' re gonna do Now they never know what' s the 1033 01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:21,399 only thing they' re trying out that' s wrong, that I tell 1034 01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:25,520 them. What' s wrong with you is that forgiveness is very geelian. 1035 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,319 You saw that there is one step from consciousness itself to consciousness for itself is 1036 01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:33,000 to be free. How you told me you said you were free. D 1037 01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:39,640 or free for the upper stage. To be free, to be free, 1038 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,319 to be free, to be good the consciousness itself is the free being. 1039 01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:45,600 Good. Conscience for itself is what you do with your freedom to be a 1040 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,239 family. It can' t be because it' s beautiful. But that 1041 01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:50,199 ' s why I feel it. That' s very left- wing. 1042 01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:55,720 Well, that' s very progress. But yes, that' s what 1043 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,800 I want to do. That' s what sea bro takes. Okay, 1044 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:01,119 but don' t put on historical stories, because it' s not the 1045 01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,319 way to listen to me. The Hizquina always behaves more like paying homage to 1046 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:11,119 the supposed power that represses. It is a ceremony of permanent homage to an 1047 01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:14,439 alleged non- existent God. I like that. You say that again I 1048 01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:18,159 like that. The left pays tribute to God, to a supposed God who 1049 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,760 represses them, who represses us all the time, but does not stop talking 1050 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,560 about it. The idea of power, power with us controls what power. 1051 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,119 Power is a category to speak of a world that is an infinite kilombo. 1052 01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:34,880 Economic power as if all the companies and all the interests of all the countries 1053 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,319 were on one side. It' s a world of infinite quilombo competition. 1054 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,880 They' re going one way. No, we' re not, sir 1055 01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,359 They' re just sideways. Capitalism is not good, but that side is 1056 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:50,359 infinite and multiple. Another feature of intellectual ignorance being anti- capital and I 1057 01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:54,720 am not anti- capitalist, but you are not grossing yourself out that there 1058 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,159 is only one way. It does not seem to me that capitalism is rather 1059 01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:00,960 the path of diversity and of the multiple. It' s not the only 1060 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,279 way. We could quote Miguel Espeche, the psychologist we see on trains. 1061 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:12,960 There can be capitalism without monetization. There can be capitalism without competition. There 1062 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,880 can be capitalism without but why we would be needing no currency and no competition. 1063 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,399 No. I don' t argue with you that there' s no 1064 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:23,760 coin. I' m asking you if there could be or you' re 1065 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,479 asking me. It' s multiple, it' s not multiplan. It 1066 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,600 has only one essence, which is competition. And that is representation of nature 1067 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,920 to the point that it allows society to evolve. The whole civilizational advance he 1068 01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:39,720 describes in Norberg is the son of capitalism. And if we don' t 1069 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,359 look at the capitalist countries, if there are two hundred and fifty years of 1070 01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,640 capitalism, well, just how he can be the son of teristic capitalism. 1071 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,640 She' s five- hundred thousand years old and doing hundreds fifty. Capitalist. 1072 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,119 That' s exactly what Miley says. Also the great take- off 1073 01:12:54,279 --> 01:13:00,479 of economic evolution and the wealth of growth, and it is capitalism from the 1074 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,159 industrial revolution onwards. I' m getting left- handed to run lor that 1075 01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:06,920 if it' s not good, together you' re a bonnet. I 1076 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,680 ' ll argue. You know when they want to invite me to debate, 1077 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,960 I' m down with the pibes here on Arden chat. You' re 1078 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,000 going to like it filthy. You' re gonna like this. I' 1079 01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:19,720 m gonna like this It' s okay I' m really bad. What 1080 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:24,199 I' m going to say is the anti- progress I just talk about 1081 01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:27,399 politics with people who think like me, but exactly like me. I' 1082 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,039 m not interested in the debate. It is good that they think what they 1083 01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:32,680 want, that they vote what they want total freedom, but I debate with 1084 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,359 someone I am not interested in. I say so. I only talk politics 1085 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:40,600 to people who think like me. I' m not interested in the debate. 1086 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,920 I don' t believe in the debate. The debate has to take 1087 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,319 place in the chambers of deputies, senators, our representatives. Yes, the 1088 01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:50,159 debate has to take place among those who want to debate, but I do 1089 01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:54,800 not want to debate. I want to follow my modest path of thought. 1090 01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:02,680 You see how you enrich yourself in your thinking and you think, of course 1091 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,439 there you are Kegelian, you want that you enrich yourself with the antithesis. 1092 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:10,000 I' m the anti- gelian, I' m the listener, I 1093 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,720 ' m the Tucturalist pose. I don' t know what' s wrong 1094 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,199 with that post- destruction, not totally, but it sounds great. You 1095 01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:16,000 know what I think. I believe in dislocations, I don' t think. 1096 01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:18,920 In stores, in totalizations, Miley is in a dislocation, I don 1097 01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:23,279 ' t think, It' s not an interesting totalization, it' s 1098 01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:24,760 not a totalization. It' s fine, no, no, I don 1099 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,680 ' t believe the company, I don' t understand, I don' 1100 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,880 t know where. Very well I don' t know the term you' 1101 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:34,359 re using, but I' d say you, I' d say capitalism 1102 01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,840 isn' t totalizing. No, no, not at all. It is 1103 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:42,920 rather the acceptance of the multiplay of quilombo with a creative and productive sense. 1104 01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:45,319 But wait, I got another one from Nitzae. I love it. I 1105 01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:50,279 love it in the Hono milk prologue. One of his last books says because 1106 01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:54,760 he is always handled with the idea of nature, that there is strength. 1107 01:14:56,319 --> 01:15:00,479 Its main concept has the force there are people stronger than less strong. What 1108 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:05,199 ' s that? This was invented by capitalism, do not look at primate 1109 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:11,560 organizations or any animal world. There' s strong, there' s weak, 1110 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:12,960 there' s one who wins and there' s one who loses. 1111 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:18,479 Of course, humans have limited that because we do not want to include death 1112 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,720 as a daily habit in our society. And it' s fine, but 1113 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,439 that shouldn' t take us. It seems to me to be the limit 1114 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,319 of the progressive ridiculousness that in a school, if there is a football match, 1115 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,359 it is always necessary to tie so that no one is left wrong. 1116 01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:35,560 Well, it' s not very funny. It' s good. Well, 1117 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,000 then what does mitche say how do you know if you' re strong 1118 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,119 and weak? It' s interesting if, in the slow way, if 1119 01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:46,159 you want that good, because how to know if one is strong or weak? 1120 01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:48,920 Because strength or weakness has nothing to do with the relationship with the other, 1121 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,039 with the other person, but with life. That' s very interesting. 1122 01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:55,239 Liche and I know the fort is the one he says. Life' 1123 01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:58,520 s fabulous, life' s worth it, it' s worth it, 1124 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,760 it' s hooked on living. What the weak man says is a disgrace. 1125 01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:04,319 The true life is then, when we are safe of everything, why 1126 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,399 it says it, because it is wrong, not because it is weak, 1127 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,039 because it cannot with life. The fort can handle life. That' s 1128 01:16:11,119 --> 01:16:14,960 a different one. Then no one knows that nice, the fort can handle 1129 01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:16,319 life. Of course it' s very nice. Then we want to know 1130 01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:18,239 if one is strong, but weak. Well, the roads are endless. 1131 01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:21,880 One is weak, strong then weak and then strengthened. But in any case, 1132 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:27,000 that trait is very good, where what Netche basically does is get used 1133 01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:30,520 to and teach us to look at reality from the point of view of force, 1134 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,640 when we are trained in the sacralization of weakness. It' s good 1135 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,960 to be weak, it' s good to criticize yourself. It' s 1136 01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,680 good to say it wasn' t my fault faith. It' s good 1137 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,479 to show up in front of each other saying I don' t know my 1138 01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,399 flaw. Well, but that one we' re going to make an analogy 1139 01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:50,039 with politics, that transvaluation that Nitche is talking about. According to what I 1140 01:16:50,199 --> 01:16:58,840 interpret, Nitche denounces him in some monotheistic religions. Yes, there was a 1141 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,119 moment where what happens from heroic morality, we could take on Homeric morality, 1142 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:10,720 aristocratic morality, the morals of nobles, kings, powerful superiors. That moral 1143 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,840 changed to the morals of servants, that is, to be good. If 1144 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:26,399 they hit me with another perfect cheek, then my law would come and transvalue 1145 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,800 again what would be something of that I wanted to be to him, because 1146 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,039 I was about this. Hit him in the fact of Amuel. He wonders 1147 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:38,199 a measure of a person' s strength, of a society is how much 1148 01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:43,439 truth a weak person endures. He doesn' t want to see much truth. 1149 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,920 She doesn' t realize that the woman abandoned him because he' s 1150 01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:49,119 a mom who calls her Mom every morning knowing how she spent the night. 1151 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,359 He thinks she left him because women are all prostitutes, I mean, he 1152 01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:57,800 doesn' t see the truth that he wasn' t man enough, he 1153 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,960 wasn' t present enough in him. That relationship or good other way of 1154 01:18:02,319 --> 01:18:08,600 not asserting the truth, that is, I was slapped because they are the 1155 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,479 educational system. It' s bad. You don' t accept, that 1156 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,279 you didn' t study, that you weren' t prepared, that is, 1157 01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:15,680 to endure the truth. You want to go downstairs and I think that 1158 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:20,960 Argentina, through my law, is being made from below. He' ll 1159 01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:24,680 make it, he won' t make it. No one knows, but 1160 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:30,760 for the moment it seems like we' re doing well. It' s 1161 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,560 dionysiac or it' s apollinane and explain that to me this thinking about something 1162 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:34,039 else. No. No. Don' t you? Don' t you? 1163 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:34,399 Don' t you? Don' t you? Don' t you? 1164 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,640 Don' t you? Don' t you? No. You look 1165 01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:41,279 very familiar with ne I love and I want to take advantage of you and 1166 01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:46,079 learn from this. Explain quickly to me what you mean by apollinum, what 1167 01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:51,119 you mean by dionysiac and where we could put my law in these two terms 1168 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,640 look. I' m not an authority on the subject, but I' 1169 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,039 ll tell you what I can grasp from there. No Dioni is the god 1170 01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:04,119 of drunkenness, the representation of the bacchanal, the feast orgy, the overflowing, 1171 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:09,279 the affirmation of life on the edge. Apolino is rather the measure, 1172 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:15,079 the balance, the beauty. Then there is sometimes raised the issue as which 1173 01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:19,520 of the two forces should prevail or which is the higher force. I think 1174 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:26,079 that Nitze ends up integrating them, rather showing that the moth can be like 1175 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:32,000 overcoming, integrating the dionysiac into an overcoming. But if we go to a 1176 01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:36,920 more distinctive, more intuitive, more direct approach, I think in the modes, 1177 01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:44,000 my law is more dionysian than the politically correct politician it says. But 1178 01:19:44,079 --> 01:19:45,079 not because he' s a polyne, but because he' s an impostor. 1179 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:47,399 I mean, I don' t know if it applies or at least 1180 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,199 I can' t apply those categories to the analysis of Argentina, but you 1181 01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:57,720 saw that it' s a phrase. I don' t come to lead 1182 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,319 sheep. If I don' t come to wake him up. Yes, 1183 01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,680 yes, yes, it' s very, very inichaley, but look at 1184 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,039 me I like to pose it like that also taking a walk. It' 1185 01:20:09,159 --> 01:20:14,000 s on the news channels. It' s not the nation plus five, 1186 01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:19,119 n good let' s take out Cincueneration plus TN and then there' s 1187 01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:23,479 Tiktok, in the nation plus and in Trene we' re always in a 1188 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,159 terrible crisis, where everything' s wrong and a whole disgrace. In Tiktok, 1189 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:30,039 you see the boiling and vigor of a society in Tiktok, there is 1190 01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:33,880 humor. There are people who sell used cars, a girl who cooks, 1191 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:41,840 sexuality, dance is the vitality of the real world. You saw for that 1192 01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,560 Tiktok value and I tell everyone that they have to see Tiktok is clear icy 1193 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,760 god, just as tiktok is much more vital. What I like is that 1194 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:53,079 you have done neuras, that there is a shift from the classic journalistic approach, 1195 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,199 that already begins to be quite outdated, declines towards a new thing, 1196 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:06,880 different where there is more freedom in more fluid formats. We could be didn 1197 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,920 ' t keep throwing away categories that you like to think again. We have 1198 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,000 time. I' m still in your book. We have a good time 1199 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,359 and you know how long we' ve been chatting. Forty minutes flies the 1200 01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:23,359 time you saw is how good that happens yes, tell me what other things 1201 01:21:23,359 --> 01:21:30,159 you were. Throw your voice to the talk. You didn' t have, 1202 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:36,520 but what you' re seeing, what you see you' re looking 1203 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:42,159 forward to entering a category of analysis that never comes out in Argentina, which 1204 01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:45,399 is Peronism as an entele that Peronism. You could tell me if Peronism, 1205 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,279 what Peronism is, how Peronism defines it. I' ve been saying that 1206 01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:51,880 Peronism is dead for years. But I' ve already been a little ridiculous 1207 01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:56,039 because they make an impression. I don' t think it' s a 1208 01:21:56,039 --> 01:22:00,239 total farce. Peronism is an empty sign. It' s part of the 1209 01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:01,720 symbolic team, part of the symbolic team. Be something that is used the 1210 01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,560 equipment and the symbolic ones, of course not. But another interesting idea. 1211 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:11,199 I am not quite clear, but I understand that you are inviting me to 1212 01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:15,680 talk about things that I find interesting to think about what defines a political position, 1213 01:22:17,279 --> 01:22:20,359 not debate and rationality. That' s studied, you know. It 1214 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,600 ' s not like you started thinking about it and got those conclusions. That 1215 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,560 ' s fake. That' s what you like to say. In reality, 1216 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,479 what you decide happens on a much more basic and immediate plane that we 1217 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:38,039 can call psychoanalytic identification. So you haven' t met people who say no 1218 01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:40,760 to you many times. I' m radical. In my family we' 1219 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,520 re all radicals, that is, they' re radical because your family is 1220 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,359 radical. I' m a Peronist because my femist friends are all taken Peronists. 1221 01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:49,319 Which is like being from Banfield, it' s like being from a 1222 01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:53,960 football team. It is also a group, but the group is defined not 1223 01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:58,399 because it thought that which group I wanted to do, but because they merit 1224 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,479 my idea then the identification is a definition of the political position that does not 1225 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:09,159 obey any rationality, which seems to me to be difficult to modify, which 1226 01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:11,439 proves that the debate is not decisive, but that the thing happens on a 1227 01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,159 deeper level. Perhaps what would have to be ventured to think is that lately 1228 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:18,920 in Argentina some identifications are moving with this appearance of a libertarian youth, which 1229 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:25,399 seems to me an extraordinary news. Compared to that, you think it' 1230 01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,800 s a good one. I think Argentina, and that left me to tell 1231 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,079 you before, I think that Argentina got a little less ignorant, that it 1232 01:23:32,199 --> 01:23:40,640 knows more about economy good for different things but it is understood more that you 1233 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,720 can not spend more than there is that nothing is free that silver from somewhere 1234 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,079 comes out that there is no money for an entire country. It' s 1235 01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:51,359 like a house, but with a huge level of complexity. Those basic principles 1236 01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:55,560 that I think are now more easily grasped and seem to me to be a 1237 01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:02,560 breakthrough and libertarian youth represents that. Libertarian liberation what he does, who you 1238 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,239 think determines. That' s where you tell me not to look far. 1239 01:24:08,319 --> 01:24:15,960 I think it' s not even determined, but who do you think determines 1240 01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:21,680 the political discourse of libertarian kids. See how I mean it. You saw 1241 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,920 it' s a sentence of forgiveness, don' t kill me, but 1242 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,119 a phrase The unconscious is structured as the language of the other or of the 1243 01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:30,680 great other. You saw the unconscious is structured like language, that is unconscious 1244 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,199 thought. I' m structured by a language. I' m because I 1245 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:38,600 speak, that is, I structure language. I' m spoken by Spanish, 1246 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:44,039 I don' t speak Spanish. Then the language that speaks to me 1247 01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,439 and that I do not speak is given by the great other symbolic. I 1248 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,960 ' m going back to bed again. So in politics, there' s 1249 01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:56,319 a language that speaks to the camporeans. Fifteen twenty years ago, when they 1250 01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,079 were twenty twenty- five years old, they were spoken by a language of 1251 01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,880 libertarian pibes. He speaks them to another language than who you think installs that 1252 01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,640 language from where it comes from and if there is that negotiation. No, 1253 01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,680 no, no, no, there' s no such language. We have 1254 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,880 many things to say, the subject of language also appears in Buddhism cn or 1255 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,920 in Nitzsche, as a sort of organizing filter of reality, of a reality 1256 01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,600 that equally does not exist beyond you can learn it with some organizing filter that 1257 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:30,760 is language words or word world. It' s the limit of good language, 1258 01:25:30,039 --> 01:25:33,439 but that limit seems to me to be wrong if you think it' 1259 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,279 s just one option, because language can be used to say country things or 1260 01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:41,840 I can say freedom things. The old piss is a costume It is a 1261 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,359 language that speaks to you and tells you to see if I use terms like 1262 01:25:45,359 --> 01:25:51,439 look, if payo sells homeland, the homeland is the other prophets of hatred. 1263 01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:55,920 You' re talking to me about the language and you' re taking 1264 01:25:56,039 --> 01:26:03,039 out the tab where if I tell you to grab the shovel I tell you 1265 01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:04,720 don' t look old piss is talking to me another language. That' 1266 01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,279 s why I' m asking you if at any point these languages are touched. 1267 01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:16,079 There is also a way to be a political adherent that looks more like 1268 01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:21,199 each other. There' s no country way to be my law. It 1269 01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:24,399 ' s not interesting. If there is, but I prefer it anyway. 1270 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,439 I prefer the camper of Milake, the camper of the Campara because at least 1271 01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,079 they are supporting a transformation project. But you determine it as a field category 1272 01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,039 r no. But it' s okay, the field is perfect. There 1273 01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:38,439 ' s a sort of fielding of libertarians. I don' t know. 1274 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,279 I don' t know if I' d say that sounds so cute and 1275 01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:42,920 it sounds like a news network, but I don' t. I wouldn 1276 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,960 ' t add up to that, because it' s the attempt to mix 1277 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,239 everything up again and say that deep down, they' re all the same 1278 01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:51,279 and I don' t think they' re all equals at all. Then 1279 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:57,600 I wouldn' t go. That way, well, I don' t 1280 01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,319 know, not a joke there, but it' s not a vol. 1281 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:08,199 It is not basically that the denunciation of language as an impurity. The index 1282 01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:13,000 says pure reality is not mediated by the concept. That is why the book 1283 01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:15,720 that I follow the most is called a beginner' s mind. The beginner 1284 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,640 doesn' t know the reality. So reality is rich and makes the experience 1285 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:25,439 of reality. The expert already has it all dominated. Then reality is closed. 1286 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,199 Words would become those objects that close realities, but they also have the 1287 01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:33,199 other side that without words we can' t do anything, we can' 1288 01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:35,800 t think, we can' t communicate, we can invent. Then I 1289 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:41,720 wouldn' t just stand on the side of language criticism as a way of 1290 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,199 obstructing the world, but I think it' s a good observation, that 1291 01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:47,000 it' s resources and they don' t say we' re not going 1292 01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:50,840 to stop believing in God, because we believe in grammar as there are ways 1293 01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,640 of language that lead you to a certain relationship with reality, but they don 1294 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,920 ' t seem so decisive to me, because, in fact, with language 1295 01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,600 you can do very different things. That was interesting to me. Inclusive language 1296 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,319 does not strike me as a horror or, a total imposture, a lie, 1297 01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,479 another lie why, because it does not arise naturally. You have to 1298 01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,279 make a great effort of will to put the end of all words and remain 1299 01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:17,000 like a mamerto to my liking, not a mamerte mamerten clear art and I 1300 01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:21,640 believe that discrimination or non- discrimination, the legitimate struggle for equality between the 1301 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,399 name of women, in certain legitimate aspects, does not seem to me to 1302 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,079 be helped by the lie and imposture and the feigning of an artificial language. 1303 01:28:31,399 --> 01:28:36,520 I think that' s like confusing things. Okay, I' ll take 1304 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,039 ten seconds off the political. You tell me something that' s a world 1305 01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:45,119 you dominated, at least you' re interested in. It' s Zen 1306 01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:47,920 Buddhism. What' s Zen? You can define Zen or Zen gives the 1307 01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:55,159 impression that the word alludes to meditation. No. I' m not a 1308 01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:57,600 meditator. I' m not interested in that aspect of Buddhism. Be for 1309 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:04,560 a Buddhist, be truly properly said as the parallelogram for a propitious Zen. 1310 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:08,239 That' s it. My position is absurd, ridiculous, because I take 1311 01:29:08,279 --> 01:29:11,960 Zen as a philosophy, as texts, as ideas. But I don' 1312 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,359 t care, because I don' t live to make something up. I 1313 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,079 take what I need or I need, but what a good text you have, 1314 01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:20,119 texts, you have, there are a lot of texts and, for 1315 01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,560 example, I am not a great connoisseur of this either. I manage a 1316 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,600 lot with that book. Minds in Mind of Beginners of Jun Ryo Suzuki, 1317 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,239 which was one of what is called Zen mind, Mind of Beginner Jun Ryu 1318 01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,560 Suzuki took one of those who carried the se in the United States. But 1319 01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,960 wait there is another Suzuki, Dai sets who was a professor at the University 1320 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,960 of Tokyo, who also wrote about Zen, but in a more serious way, 1321 01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:45,159 more scholarly. It' s all a very interesting world. But if 1322 01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:49,000 you tell me why I' m interested in the breast I take. That 1323 01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:54,960 ' s how good it is. There are many very simple ideas. For 1324 01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:58,960 example, I tell you a fabulous everything you do that expression of your true 1325 01:29:59,079 --> 01:30:01,960 nature. What is the most common position. I' m looking for myself. 1326 01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:04,880 There' s not my real, I' m the real Alexander, 1327 01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,439 where he is. And this is what they tell you. Everything you do 1328 01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:14,800 is your truth. There is no hidden world. Your problem is to look 1329 01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,720 for the hidden world, which is perfectly coincident with the psychoanalytic approach. There 1330 01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:25,079 is no hidden world, but you believe that the whole large percentage of the 1331 01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:30,319 things we do are not induced by a system. We are not even part 1332 01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,039 of it, but there is no formlessness which is the subject of interpretation, 1333 01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:40,399 of determination. Restrictive. We will develop the determination, which is the qualities. 1334 01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:44,239 Not your determinations are that you are a man, that you were born, 1335 01:30:44,279 --> 01:30:45,600 in such a year, in such a place, etcetera, etcetera. 1336 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,039 One can say I' m determined. I lost my freedom and what freedom 1337 01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:53,760 would be. Not to be determined, not determined, not to exist, 1338 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:59,800 so determinations for me open up to the game of life, enable the range 1339 01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:04,239 of freedom possible. They do not close you then of course we have cultural 1340 01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,600 forms. What is human nature culture. There' s nothing but nature. 1341 01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:12,600 From the Big Bang until now, tell me at what point something happened that 1342 01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,359 allows us to say nature later, not nature. It' s all nature. 1343 01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,000 There' s nothing unnatural. Man in everything he does, does the 1344 01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:26,920 same as a particular animal very capable tremendously creative, tremendously destructive in all those 1345 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,640 aspects. Very natural, by nature is creative destructive as well. Then there 1346 01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,800 is no value in that distinction between natural and non- natural. Everything you 1347 01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,960 do that expression of your true nature means everything that you can take as the 1348 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,800 determination of the system, which makes me different from what I would be is 1349 01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:45,079 a whole paraphernalia of inoperable ideas, without efficiency, that makes no sense. 1350 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:50,399 Then you might come to the conclusion that Argentina always returns and respects its nature. 1351 01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:57,199 Sure, but that doesn' t mean that your forms, your determinations 1352 01:31:57,319 --> 01:32:00,199 don' t mutate, because you' re not always the same. Argentina 1353 01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:03,760 mutoo. For example, it appears that at one time it was an economic 1354 01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:11,520 power, then retroceding. We are trying to repair a little bit the same 1355 01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:15,520 ourselves, perhaps if we raised the issue, we would say that we would 1356 01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,560 rather be born in this recent Argentina than in that Argentina because life was very 1357 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,359 hard in other times. There are other cuts, too. One is the 1358 01:32:20,399 --> 01:32:24,399 historical cut, which is why it does not serve so much, and others 1359 01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,720 the existential cut where it wants, for what time you want to live in 1360 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:36,039 this total good and yet we manifest discontent, rightly. Many things have happened 1361 01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:41,760 to Argentina. You have several books for him. Now this one that I 1362 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,279 show happened in your head. It' s a very particular book. First 1363 01:32:46,319 --> 01:32:48,840 I thank you because you dedicated it to me impromptuly and I' m going 1364 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,079 to start reading it over the weekend. But the book is as it is 1365 01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,600 written in as if it were poetry as if they were verses, but they 1366 01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,119 are not verses, nor are they aphorisms. I mean, you could have 1367 01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:04,880 written an aphorism. You grab this book and say those are aphorisms. No, 1368 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:10,720 they' re not aphorisms. Then I don' t know a bird 1369 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,680 ' s grandfather, I don' t get it, I don' t 1370 01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:15,159 get it, I don' t get it, but I don' t 1371 01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:17,359 hide it. I like to talk about him. I was a friend of 1372 01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:20,199 Luis Alberto, whom I saw before I met as a god. Evidently, 1373 01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:24,640 I was talking about Spinetta. Later, not later, also a god from 1374 01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,479 between the houses. And while it took me years to behave naturally in his 1375 01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,479 presence, I was aware all the time that I was with Spinetta, even 1376 01:33:32,319 --> 01:33:34,840 if we lived together, I treated him so much that to see more clearly 1377 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,279 is a world and its form and participate in him and lived with God. 1378 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:43,279 And that made me different. Finally, such an atheist wasn' t look. 1379 01:33:43,399 --> 01:33:48,560 You speak here in form and your world and its form and participate in 1380 01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:53,520 it. Then you come in. I once read the idea that a conversation 1381 01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:59,079 is an investigation among several, among several, do I like it? I 1382 01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,319 once read the idea that a conversation is an investigation among several, I like 1383 01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:08,439 it because I like several. That' s not why verse is a difficult 1384 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,760 park. So, but CP isn' t verse, it' s not 1385 01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,640 verse, but they' re bits, they' re few. I read 1386 01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:17,399 it once then how I have to read it as a verse. I didn 1387 01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:23,840 ' t once read in burges the idea that a conversation is an investigation among 1388 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,960 several, I like it, because it puts in the center a character of 1389 01:34:28,039 --> 01:34:33,000 search and of shared construction, one let' s find out how it is 1390 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,079 the thing that happens when there is curiosity governing the participations, it is very 1391 01:34:36,079 --> 01:34:40,520 difficult to read. Well, in any case, I failed I don' 1392 01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:44,399 t know right out there, but I don' t know if it works 1393 01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:48,279 or not. I made the good try. He wrote everything down. He 1394 01:34:48,399 --> 01:34:50,800 wrote everything down. I, when I started analysis, had written down the 1395 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:55,880 things I wanted to say, that I needed to clarify arguments and counterarguments. 1396 01:34:56,119 --> 01:34:59,319 You have to see this point that happens here as I solve it, and 1397 01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:01,399 this one. I hope, the session for so long, I want to 1398 01:35:01,399 --> 01:35:05,000 look out for the peeling, for certainty, see where I can set my 1399 01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:06,920 foot to support myself, for this situation to break and change and change me. 1400 01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,319 I left these two things to say well, no, yes, it 1401 01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:14,159 ' s not so hard of that the Boluso. Me. No. No, 1402 01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,560 no, no, no, not at all. I set myself the 1403 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:23,319 challenge of writing out sentences late that look like verses and have a kind of 1404 01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:30,039 litany. We say, but since he did not use punctuation marks, capitals 1405 01:35:30,119 --> 01:35:33,520 or lowercases, that cut of the phrase had to indicate the rhythm, that 1406 01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,960 is, everything that lent them, that the choice I believe, no, 1407 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:41,399 reading is rhythm and breathing. Yes, as you say the exact rhythm of 1408 01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:45,039 breathing to the period of a sentence, although you don' t read it 1409 01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:48,039 out loud it' s exactly the breath catch. Who is Jorge Chamorro, 1410 01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:56,199 my analyst, look at you because he dedicates it to getting out, because 1411 01:35:56,279 --> 01:36:00,399 he made me think a lot of things, that analysis and he opened me 1412 01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:04,479 to a crature bunk, the canista who gave me a lot of material and 1413 01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:09,720 what gave you a lot of thought material s you read into me I remember 1414 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,920 some book. I read a lot of miller from the seminary. Of course, 1415 01:36:14,119 --> 01:36:16,399 I understand what can seminars are I have the elegs and a couple of 1416 01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:20,399 little guys. A phrase pisses me off a little bit the guy why, 1417 01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,760 why, an impression that he wants me not to understand it. Of course, 1418 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,119 and then they have a whole justification. But, well, it' 1419 01:36:30,199 --> 01:36:30,560 s perfect that they do whatever they want. But I don' t really 1420 01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,960 want to be a guy, but there' s me I' m over 1421 01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:40,600 - emphasizing myself. Anxiety is the affection that does not deceive. All right, 1422 01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,159 all right, I want you to stress French. And that phrase is 1423 01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:46,239 very good, because you can say good no, like the very idea of 1424 01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:49,760 a difficult prose. It may indicate that it' s not for study, 1425 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:54,680 that it' s to grab a little bit and think. That is why 1426 01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:59,119 I am struck by the extreme worship of every word, as if the here 1427 01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:02,239 was not sacred scriptures. It' s a guy who would open the game 1428 01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:09,600 and then each complete his theoretical production. Coming out of that jargon. The 1429 01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:18,680 phrases are also I remember others that when you are looking for you don' 1430 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:23,760 t know what you want, look behind what to hide a thing So, 1431 01:37:24,079 --> 01:37:27,319 it has very much seeing things and the Kan is very difficult, but it 1432 01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,000 ' s not like you get hooked, have chans and the hook it seems 1433 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:30,760 to me that it is a great category. If you think I' m 1434 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,119 talking about something I' ve been thinking about lately, I' m talking 1435 01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:35,359 about it, but now let me end up connected. Yeah, there' 1436 01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:39,640 s no way I' d think of criticizing saying the here' s worth 1437 01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,079 nothing. It seems to me that he opened up his type was a genius 1438 01:37:42,119 --> 01:37:43,960 and opened a field for all sides. It just costs me more to read 1439 01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:45,800 it and to prefer to read Jackson, to Miller who explains it the same 1440 01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,720 way. I understand half, because there are very difficult things where sometimes I 1441 01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,960 get to say you' re making it too complicated. You read the seminar 1442 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,960 on the stolen letter. I don' t read it. That' s 1443 01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:02,000 very good, because it explains a lot of Argentine politics. Close melito of 1444 01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:08,439 what you were about to tell me when I started posting videos on Instagram. 1445 01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:13,600 Assiduously I had a viral video consisting of the idea of not thinking so much 1446 01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,439 about decisions or millions of living ones. I still hit it because I realized 1447 01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,359 it later, because we' re there too. It' s a problem. 1448 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:24,960 What this means is that what defines what we were talking about before politics 1449 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,079 that defines one' s position in any subject in love, in politics, 1450 01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:32,119 is not that one thinks about it, but a direct hitch. You didn 1451 01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:38,000 ' t choose who to fall in love with I chose this girl mind anger, 1452 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,760 you didn' t pick a shit. Have the chaste with that one 1453 01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,479 you go out with several and one say uy this one I want to see 1454 01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,920 this one again. I like it, I love it. Her skin is 1455 01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,239 special. Well, you don' t choose a career. One simply says 1456 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:53,479 testifies. I got hooked on this subject. One chooses one' s friends. 1457 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,960 You just like being with one another better than you do with another. 1458 01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,520 So, that idea that the center of personality is the free self that decides, 1459 01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,199 which is an idea to my liking, is false and inadequate. What 1460 01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:08,600 ' s the matter with the hook that you hook up with, that hooks 1461 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,199 you up with my fault in the other. Well, no, but there 1462 01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:15,000 he goes. It' s really good. Once I invite you and you 1463 01:39:15,079 --> 01:39:17,880 ' re pinsing to wait, but don' t forget I' m going 1464 01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:19,760 to get that viral. You have it in your instagram. Yes, yes, 1465 01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:24,079 there are mounted listen to me no, but once I achieve a simple 1466 01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:27,439 category to explain complex things, you will make it repelled again something difficult. 1467 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:30,039 No. No, no, no, because you' re the one who 1468 01:39:30,079 --> 01:39:33,279 hooks you up and I' m in love with the hook with which they 1469 01:39:33,279 --> 01:39:34,319 have chat It' s a very simple thing. Have chas with playing football 1470 01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:38,720 hook up, with playing chess, you get hooked with reading with them having 1471 01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,119 chaz. You have to see that that' s the reality. It gives 1472 01:39:42,199 --> 01:39:45,760 you the answers that your thought seeks in a crazy way is simpler, it 1473 01:39:46,119 --> 01:39:49,520 ' s clear, it' s more what happens is that it' s 1474 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,199 very difficult to make it simpler. It' s very difficult to see what 1475 01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,479 ' s called simpre You' re right about that, yes, yes, 1476 01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:58,039 yes, of course? It' s hard to get to simplicity. That 1477 01:39:58,119 --> 01:39:59,840 ' s because it' s very complicated. That' s for sure. 1478 01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:02,399 You' d have to put some kind of polys to go in simplex You 1479 01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,359 presented this at FREDELI and introduced it to the book fair of anser a. 1480 01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:10,640 This one' s from now on. Yes, it does. It still 1481 01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,039 has before the beloved child what is your social network that you use Instagram, 1482 01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:19,680 especially on Instagram, and what is your account when reading rosich perfect in x 1483 01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:24,680 you are also in success. Put a lot of law on ex in my 1484 01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,840 political facet on instagram. I don' t talk about politics k TOC too 1485 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,760 or you have. I have, I have, I like it a lot, 1486 01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,079 I have a lot of videos, but you' re giving it some, 1487 01:40:33,319 --> 01:40:33,760 uh, little talk something a seminari and I do courses every month. 1488 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:38,399 Now I' m going to start on Tuesday one that' s called three 1489 01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:42,159 schools of thought, Nitze, the Zen and the Mechanism. Just and after 1490 01:40:42,199 --> 01:40:45,199 the other week, one over hyper- Lacanian. No, no, just 1491 01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:48,399 so you don' t tell me that, don' t tell me six 1492 01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:50,760 later the other week something. One about happiness, because you saw that happiness 1493 01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:56,840 is such a grandiose and grandiose concept that the word sounds to you to vote. 1494 01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,960 But I propose the course of called happiness, tissue and the possible, 1495 01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,439 because I think that' s the scenario where you have to think about the 1496 01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,079 thing. Happiness not as an ideal where you will never suffer anymore, but 1497 01:41:06,079 --> 01:41:11,199 satisfaction within the range of the possible, as well as a government must be 1498 01:41:11,279 --> 01:41:15,920 prosecuted in agreement as much as possible. As milay says, there are restrictions. 1499 01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:16,800 It' s not like you do what you sing to him. There 1500 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,439 are restrictions on doing what you shit. Such a good total. Let me 1501 01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:26,720 sell this to you. I want to get on the green rabbit page fast. 1502 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,239 If you can get into the instagram of green rabbit tronquito, you' 1503 01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:36,000 re going to take a green rabbit. Exquisite that happened ah seriously what happened 1504 01:41:36,079 --> 01:41:42,520 uy grossy what you' re going to be here you have to be here 1505 01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:48,560 Dame look what the green rabbit page is like amazing things. This wine is 1506 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:54,479 low. I don' t know what I want to do with you. 1507 01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:00,319 It' s super symbolic. Get the two bunnies up there and get comfortable 1508 01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:05,760 in the middle Look what this green rabbit is, it' s a valley. 1509 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,239 They are unique wines, really unique. It changed the shape, the 1510 01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:15,680 container of the wine. The wine is exquisite. It' s the green 1511 01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,840 rabbit revolution. I redefined a lifestyle for you. Green rabbit, you have 1512 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:24,880 different malbeck, you have light, you have super cool. They' re 1513 01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:30,720 from the Uco Valley. We enter weekend, give me ball and try a 1514 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,800 green rabbit, try a little wine of this is a rabbit. It is 1515 01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:39,000 a unique wine, like its creation the green rabbit plough. Wins can get 1516 01:42:39,039 --> 01:42:44,680 in there and enjoy it. Okay. I' ll tell you something. 1517 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,399 He' s got a little bit of a rector on him. I didn 1518 01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:54,439 ' t know this, but you' re right here and it' s 1519 01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:57,960 your turn to share this moment that' s a little boludad, but it 1520 01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,000 ' s for us super chitito. It' s too much drug to pass, 1521 01:43:01,359 --> 01:43:04,960 it' s too gross. S is the last guest of Neura I 1522 01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:11,239 will survive That' s the last guest in euro Look I' ll tell 1523 01:43:11,239 --> 01:43:16,840 you something. Let' s tell them something. Roast. Roast at home. 1524 01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:23,199 The band of little groups was clumpy. We were at the bottom of 1525 01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:27,960 the sea, not knowing what bondy to take. No, we weren' 1526 01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,760 t okay. I was for the ortho in the teleopening. We didn' 1527 01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:33,920 t find, we didn' t know which way to go we were really 1528 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:38,279 you. He' s disenchanted. Bad, man throws the idea away. 1529 01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:44,560 He says cheis if we do on online radio and I mean it and he 1530 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,800 tells me he puts an online radio. I put an online radio X. 1531 01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:49,680 I don' t know what radio we got to listen to. We started 1532 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:53,720 flying a little tormin brine there chatting, having a glass of wine, a 1533 01:43:53,760 --> 01:44:00,640 green rabbit. And neura was born, I swear, neura was born And 1534 01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:06,399 today, at this hour eighteen fifty- seven, we want to tell them 1535 01:44:08,359 --> 01:44:11,600 that it is the last show, at least our live live show. The 1536 01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,680 other is recorded live to the other is recorded. Of course, Julian, 1537 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:20,199 it' s recorded here. Well, it' s the last program, 1538 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:27,520 because we moved to the studios we always dreamed of and started a new stage 1539 01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:31,000 with a gigantic neura starting next Monday. So there' s nothing wrong with 1540 01:44:32,119 --> 01:44:36,399 me as a founding partner and something tremendous. The last one to see here 1541 01:44:36,399 --> 01:44:43,640 two tremendous. It' s already confirmed because something, given that it' 1542 01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,159 s us, something can happen to us. Today we hit him straight from 1543 01:44:46,319 --> 01:44:53,119 here until Monday without stopping. We' re starting to get everything out now. 1544 01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:55,359 The other one' s almost ready. He' s taking it to 1545 01:44:55,359 --> 01:44:59,520 the table. They didn' t tell you a bobinist in a car ole 1546 01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,960 ah because I told you Manuel, not to give us a hand for a 1547 01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:03,960 few boxes and I' ll tell you yes, they told us I didn 1548 01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,720 ' t have a big trunk. I have a dinner, but no, 1549 01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:13,560 but you leave us the trunk car. That' s crazy. Yeah, 1550 01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,199 it' s tremendous what I' m gonna get out of here more capable 1551 01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:18,319 than on the moon and back here. Not today I almost got electrocuted, 1552 01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,439 but it can' t go any further, you can go all wrong, 1553 01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:26,079 but no. So last, last, last minute here. In this study 1554 01:45:26,119 --> 01:45:31,199 that gave us so much joy, let' s say a beautiful jump here, 1555 01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:33,319 uh we' re going wrong, you don' t like these panels 1556 01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:35,159 that I can' t take anymore. He put this home to me. 1557 01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:38,760 Yeah, well, you' re already taking us out live. There' 1558 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:43,199 s the one I made in eura that I can see to cut you off. 1559 01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,560 There goes yes, yes, you get up ready, yours already look 1560 01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:53,960 see how we cover not the imperfections Jacos see So, we cover things up 1561 01:45:54,039 --> 01:46:02,159 to my house Mira gives me yes for and one more thing, what I 1562 01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,479 ' m going to circumvent, to avoid how good we release them filmed by 1563 01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:13,880 all neura. Yeah, Dale, so we need it, we sort of 1564 01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:15,079 sorted it out out of doubt. We' re gonna get through to him. 1565 01:46:15,079 --> 01:46:18,119 We opened on Monday and we picked it up from my dear. Thank 1566 01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:23,279 you, Brother, thank you. It' s so nice here, and 1567 01:46:23,279 --> 01:46:25,600 yes, Telemax, we broke it all between us. We' re fine, 1568 01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:27,479 come on in, Max. On Monday, then the new studio, 1569 01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,439 new studio where we came from Cabrera. Let' s not say in doubt. 1570 01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,239 He' s afraid we' re stuck in the trunk. They don 1571 01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:39,560 ' t throw dead chickens at us. Doubts leave later we communicate or thank 1572 01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,239 you, people, you have an address. There' s the direction of 1573 01:46:42,399 --> 01:46:44,800 the enemy nao Cabrera, two, three, seven, nine, but well, 1574 01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:47,760 that gave is the reality. But we didn' t move reality. 1575 01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:51,199 We' re going to the reata. Here, here, thank you Alli, 1576 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,319 dear ones, see you at the next Chao on Monday, new Chao House,