1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,400 Hey, This is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with our spring back into golf 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,640 season with the late Tony Manzoni. This episode, originally number four hundred and 3 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:15,679 eight, published in October of twenty thirteen, was the fifth time that Tony 4 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:20,920 blessed us with his wisdom and insights to the effectiveness of his single pivot swing. 5 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:25,879 Now, at this point we hadn't spoken to Tony in about eighteen months, 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,440 so we brought him back to pick his brain for two weeks in a 7 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:35,280 row. So this is the first of two consecutive episodes that we've never included 8 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:41,479 in previous years of honoring Tony's memory. His book The Loss Fundamental is available 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,960 on Amazon, and his DVD, which we converted to a private link online, 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,679 is also available when you write to me. For the most comprehensive information 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,039 ever collected about Tony Manzoni, please go to Golfsmarter dot com slash Tony and 12 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:02,840 Tony is all lowercase. If you'd like access to the video, please write 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,319 to me directly golf Smarter podcast at gmail dot com or click on the Heyfred 14 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:14,280 button at golfsmarter dot com. Golf Smarter number four hundred and eight published on 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,480 October twenty nine, twenty thirteen. Take ownership of your swing, Now repeat 16 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:26,000 it with Tony Manzoni. This is Golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers 17 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,200 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked for your host, 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:36,560 Fred Green. Welcome back to Golf Smarter. Tony. Thank you, Fred. 19 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,879 It's great to be back. It has been way too long and since 20 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,959 you know, it's it feels to me like recent history, but it's really 21 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:52,159 not anymore. But we just surpassed four hundred episodes on Golf Smarter, and 22 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:57,560 I've been looking for those instructors who've been on the show numerous times over the 23 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,200 last eight years and said, who can I bring back to help celebrate four 24 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,480 hundred episodes? You know, having the four hundred episode was kind of like 25 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,439 a hole in one, or maybe even like when the Red Sox won the 26 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:12,439 World Series the first time. It's like you just you just anticipating it so 27 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:16,280 much and then it happens. You can go, that's it. Yes, 28 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:23,879 do you want a duck to drop dollars and guess as they grow the dog 29 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:30,479 get it right exactly. But it's amazing to me the response that we've always 30 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,960 had when when you come on the show because people just love the loss fundamental. 31 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,800 Well, I'm glad to hear that, and I get kind of the 32 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,400 same results. The great thing that happens is when I give a golf lesson 33 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,280 to someone and then I get a note maybe a month or two later saying 34 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,479 I'm playing so much better and blah blah blah, or someone buys my book 35 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,879 and calls me or sends me no saying I'm a stay angel. You know, 36 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,560 that's every professionals dream that that you made some sense and you help them, 37 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:08,000 And that's what That's what we're all trying to do, is we're trying 38 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,120 to kick somebody and improve their game. I think the majority of guys like 39 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:20,680 me are really in it for the passion of watching someone grow in the game 40 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:23,039 and get a little better and maybe even want to play the game more than 41 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,120 the than the money that we make. Well, it's kind of yeah, 42 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,680 yeah, I mean, it's it's kind of like where we come from. 43 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:35,719 In the podcast world. It's all about engagement, right, Engaging engaging with 44 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:39,919 your people, whether your customers, your clients, your patients, your listeners, 45 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:46,560 whatever, it's engaging with them and getting that feedback, it's incredible that 46 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:51,280 you've earned it well, I like to think so. I've put a lot 47 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:55,319 of years studying the game, and I made a lot of drastic changes in 48 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,599 the way the way I present the information, and hopefully it's getting better and 49 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,319 more succinct. It's typical to talk too much when you're giving a golf lesson, 50 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:11,039 but then you can't talk too little, so you can't have any dead 51 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:15,479 spots, just like on the air when you're when you're broadcasting h and as 52 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,120 I teach to my golf management students how to teach this game, it's really 53 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:26,480 important that you create an atmosphere of learning and allow the person to be relaxed 54 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:29,720 and not worry too much about hitting a bad job in front of you. 55 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:34,839 Uh yeah. I think that a lot of people walk away from lessons overloaded 56 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,920 with information. It feels like on a lesson, especially, most people go 57 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,079 in for one or two lessons and they're like, I'm going on vacation, 58 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,240 fix my swing right, and so there's this information dump that comes from an 59 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,439 instructor, especially that once to change everything that you do, and you're saying, 60 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,680 I just want to hit my irons better, and like, well, 61 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,560 you've got to you've got to change your swing. Yeah, if anyone's been 62 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:00,800 played for any length of time, what you really want to do is take 63 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,600 what they have, maybe set them up a little bit better to the ball, 64 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,199 but make sure that you can get them to repeat their action, because 65 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,040 in the final analysis, you've got to own your own swing. No matter 66 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,040 what the concept you're trying to do, you've got to be able to repeat 67 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,519 that. I mean, you know when you look at Trevino or the guys 68 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:21,759 that ain't quite a bit left and blocked it right, or Furic that has 69 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:27,279 that very loopy swing, but they repeat it, and that's the key. 70 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,160 And that's definitely the key. Now. I think by not shifting a lot 71 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,920 of way to the right and then having to shift it all the way back, 72 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:39,319 that eliminates that big timing element that most people can't do. Especially after 73 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,120 you get passed forty it becomes almost impossible. So those kind of things you 74 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,480 need to know. You need to know where your body is relative to the 75 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,160 ball. But if you hoist it or you take it a little flat, 76 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:50,160 I really don't think that means much as long as you do it every time. 77 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:58,160 And I can't tell you how much impact that little piece that you just 78 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,720 tossed away had on me, not just when when I came down and played 79 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:08,360 with you and had a friend of mine take a lesson from you as we 80 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,040 videotaped it, and and the golf Smarter TV video that we put on called 81 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:18,959 Ben Hogan's Secret revealed that is just short one. It's received more views of 82 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:28,639 any video that we've ever done here. It's it's so incredible that it's it's 83 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,959 not about I'm talking about the hips way and that the slide to the right. 84 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,959 Once I started keeping my lower body quiet, I was making much better 85 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,399 contact and my back ache, my back aches at the end of a round 86 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:46,759 were gone. Sure, because you're not indianping to reverse city. You're ended 87 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,240 up what we call posted up in the swing. And you know, it's 88 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,439 really nothing new. I mean the old times just say stay in the barrel. 89 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,839 Well, there's a lot to that there. There really is a lot 90 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,079 to say stayin center to the ball. And if you look a film of 91 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:06,000 Sneador, Hogan or Palmer or Nicholas or the guys that had long careers, 92 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:11,199 they didn't move off the golf ball. They stayed on the ball. Uh 93 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:14,079 And they didn't purposely try to stay on it. It was the way they 94 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,560 moved that kept them on the ball. And that's the key. You can't 95 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,240 tell somebody don't move your head in the swing that that's counterintuitive. What you 96 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:25,920 want to say is, Okay, if that right side goes behind you, 97 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,519 then the head can't move right if you if you're turning from the left side, 98 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,680 you're gonna you're gonna push back a little bit away from the ball and 99 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,560 then you have to get back to that starting position and get a little open 100 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,759 and hit the ball. That's a lot to do in that millisecond the down 101 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:46,560 swing cakes. So, uh, Hogan was just he figured this out, 102 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,120 and I know he took it to his grave. But there is film that 103 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:53,079 you could look at and if you, if you're a crazy person like me 104 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:58,240 that will sit in front of a Camra video and watch it over and over 105 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,120 and over and slow it down and keep looking at it, you'll start seeing 106 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:07,199 little nuances of the things that that man did. And he for sure played 107 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,240 off the left side. Well, if you're a crazy person, then we're 108 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:16,639 all crazy. I think you got to really want to learn. You know, 109 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,800 as I tell my students, there's never a day that I don't learn 110 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,560 something about the golf thing, some little thing. I'll be teaching someone and 111 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,920 I'll say something and I'll think to myself, I got to keep that as 112 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,600 a mental note. As soon as I'm done with this lesson, I got 113 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:37,000 to grab a ball in a club and try that. Because it's like jazz 114 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,679 singers. You know, you're improvising constantly. You're not hitting that same note 115 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,799 you're on the melody, but you're hitting a bunch of different notes. Teaching 116 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:50,519 is kind of that way, because that light bulb goes on with a phrase, 117 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:54,360 but that phrase could be totally different for each and every person, even 118 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,240 though you mean the same thing. I've had people take lessons for me for 119 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,360 four or five lessons and I am repeating the same thing over and over again, 120 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,799 and they'll say, oh, you've never told me that before, and 121 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,480 I've said to them, well, I guess I'm going to have to tell 122 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,919 you to you in another language because we've been speaking English most of the time 123 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,799 and I've been saying it over and over. But people here at times and 124 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,919 don't. And as a teacher, you have to really be cognizant of that 125 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:24,080 that you have to be really clear, and you have to even ask the 126 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,519 question. You understand what I mean. And not only do you understand what 127 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,519 I mean, I want you to show me what I'm trying to get you 128 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,440 to do. When you can get on that kind of a basis with someone, 129 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:43,840 then they're learning and you're teaching. Well. I want to do a 130 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:48,759 quick recap for people who are just being introduced to you to the first time, 131 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,440 because you know, there are always new people discovering golf smarter and I 132 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:58,440 greatly appreciate that. And you have been on so many times, We've been 133 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,279 faced to face, we've been on the phone. But I'll give me a 134 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,159 brief history of when you started playing golf and what your golf career was and 135 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:13,159 where you are today. Well, I started as a caddy like most people 136 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:20,399 from my era. I was about eleven years old, went through the caddy 137 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,159 ranks, borrowed clubs from the pro that he discarded, got a mixed bag 138 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,240 of club to start playing the game. I was a pretty good baseball player, 139 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,120 so I had good eye hand coordination, so I immediately hit the ball 140 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:39,120 pretty far from my size, and that carried on through my golf life until 141 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:41,960 now. I'm a little older, so give along the two that don't hit 142 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,120 it as far as I work on my shirt gam But during that period of 143 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,519 time, I came up with what I saw and what I heard is how 144 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:56,159 to deliver the golf club to the ball, and not knowing that the majority 145 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,639 of what I saw and what I heard were cliches that had passed on for 146 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,399 the year and not really based on, you know, any real truth fact. 147 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,639 There was really more theory or what someone felt they were doing. And 148 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,679 we know that a lot of train pros will write a book and they'll say 149 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,360 this is what I do, but then when you watch them in film, 150 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:18,879 they're not doing that. It's just that that's the sensation they have. So 151 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:24,879 you have to be careful about words. Are they actually are they actually the 152 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:30,279 motor that drives a swing? And as I continue my education, you know, 153 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,360 I was a very handsy arms swing player, free arms swing. I 154 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,639 bought it into that and I played pretty good, but under pressure, I 155 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:41,639 always hooked the golf ball. I always hooked it and got myself in trouble. 156 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,480 And through the years, you know, I played, I was good 157 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,360 enough to play, I qualifying to play the tour, and that we didn't 158 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,240 have the regular qualifying systems that they have today. You just went on Monday 159 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:54,720 and like they call us rabbits, and you try to qualify. And I 160 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,919 did on a number of occasions, and I got to play, but I 161 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,879 always at that wall. I was. I was quick out of the gate 162 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,720 two three hundred, real quick, and then whip one out of bounds and 163 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,440 then blocked the next one right because I'm trying not to ofalk the next one 164 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,960 and so forth. So that fought that, and I realized that I didn't 165 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,120 have, you know, and and not rightly so, because I felt like, 166 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:20,960 well, I just don't have the talent for this. But the truth 167 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,399 was I didn't have the information, and unfortunately for me, I got the 168 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,759 information too late to do anything about it. So I decided, you know, 169 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:33,559 I'm going to give this information to people that have had the dream of 170 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,200 being a player, to have the dream of playing, or somebody that just 171 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,720 wants to play better and not have to practice so much. So as I 172 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,639 evolved as a teacher, one lucky day, a gentleman came in my office 173 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:50,960 and said, I've got a letter copy of a letter written by Ben Hogan 174 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,080 about the golf swing, and also video that really wasn't authorized. Was kind 175 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,679 of home video, and you know, Hogan didn't like that. His swing 176 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:05,559 videoed after I read the letter. You know, it said something in there 177 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,080 that was red flagging me. Said, when I'm at the top of the 178 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,879 swing, I'm on the instep of my left foot, and I thought, 179 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:16,480 well, doesn't he mean right foot? And then I watched the video and 180 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,559 it was exactly that. And I went out and I started hitting balls that 181 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,600 way because in my mind I was thinking, well, am I going to 182 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,039 reverse my waight shift? But I didn't. I got more on the ball 183 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,559 and address, and I moved through the ball during the impact, and all 184 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,720 of a sudden, my iron play got real crisp. I quit it in 185 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,000 the thin and fat, and I started I started using some students of minus 186 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,279 guinea pigs, trying to set them up more left sided and so that they 187 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,720 because you know, no matter how you take the club back, you've got 188 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,799 to be on the left side of where you're hitting the golf ball. So 189 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,480 I got them a little bit more on the left side, I'd say sixty 190 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,279 forty. And I did that, and this thing started evolving. I thought, 191 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,440 Holy Macro, I got lightning in a jar. And a bunch of 192 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,720 my students said, you've got to write a book. You've got to get 193 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,720 this information out. And in the process of writing the book, stack until 194 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,039 came out, which is it's similar and set up, but not in the 195 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,600 action action because they really finish in kind of a reverse sea and I don't 196 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,519 believe in that. I think that creates a lot of strain on the on 197 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:24,480 the body, and I think that's actually an unnatural way to finish. I 198 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,799 think post it up as better. Uh. And my elderly players who never 199 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,840 get off the right side found that they could get to the left side for 200 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,799 the first time in many, many years. And that's the proof of the 201 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:43,240 pudding for me. Amazing. And then you went on and started coaching on 202 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:48,039 the college level after you know how, Yeah, as I told you, 203 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,799 I got involved. I got involved with Callowey Golf. It wasn't Callowey Golf 204 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,480 when I was involved with it was called Hickory Stick. And I made the 205 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:00,919 cold call to Elee Calloway to get him involved with Dicky Stick Golf Club company. 206 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:03,759 And the first call he came down to look at him, walked away 207 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:05,799 and said, I wish you did luck. And then about two weeks later, 208 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,480 because we couldn't make payroll, I called him again and he said, 209 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,960 it's funny that you called. I've been thinking about being involved with you. 210 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,879 And he bought up partners out and then made myself Richard PARENTI and Elie Calloway 211 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:24,879 we were all thirty three and third partners in a new company called Callaway Stick 212 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,960 and then it became Calawi Golf, And of course the story is a beautiful 213 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,879 story because it's a billion dollar company. And I think I made one of 214 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:41,440 the great cold calls in golf, for sure. And then from that point 215 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,000 after I left, Calloway cashed out in my stock and so forth, I 216 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,320 wanted to do something in golf give back. College of the Den had a 217 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,519 piece of property that I raised the money to build a golf facility on a 218 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:02,080 driving range, classrooms and a little museum. Continue to evolve. I got 219 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:07,039 lucky and got the golf team, and this is our twenty seventh year in 220 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:10,799 a row. We won the conference championship. That's going to be a record 221 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,120 somewhere twenty seven years in a row. You've won the conference championship twenty seven 222 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,879 years in a row. And we're going to try to win it this year, 223 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,360 the twenty eighth. We won the state championship a number of times under 224 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:29,240 my tutelage, and we won. We won this what we call the Southern 225 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,519 California Regional Championship a number of times, and I've you know, I've been 226 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,919 blessed. We're in a wonderful area. We were one of the few campuses 227 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,559 that has a driving range in a golf academy on campus, so that helps. 228 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,039 I'd like to think that a percentage of the success came from me, 229 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,840 from my teaching. But it's been a win win for me. And as 230 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,120 I tell everyone, this is the best thing I ever did in golf. 231 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:00,840 And I mean I qualified for the Senior Masters, and the day I qualified, 232 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,240 I think I probably called everyone I ever met to tell them that I 233 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,920 qualified. And I've had some moments in golf, but nothing has fulfilled me 234 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:14,160 like working with young people and teaching them golf and teaching them what how they're 235 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,920 supposed to act when they win and lose, teaching them, you know, 236 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,880 character and some of the things that I've seen from the greats how they acted. 237 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:26,119 Arnold Palmer is a perfect example of a guy that conducts himself so well 238 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,680 Everyone loves Arnie. You can't help but love him. He's just a great 239 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,079 man. And I try to pass those things on to the especially in today's 240 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,319 world where you got kids with their pants down, you see their underwear, 241 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,799 all that stuff like that, and I try to explain to them why that's 242 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,000 to turn. I understand. When I was a kid, my folks hated 243 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,880 the music I listened to, and I think that's with every generation. But 244 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,880 I try to tell them, you know, how you have to prioritize and 245 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,000 how you have to have a goal now and you have to start working towards 246 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,559 that goal, and these other things like music and style, those are okay, 247 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,359 but that can't be you're probably unless you're a hip hop artist or you're 248 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,680 a music artist or something. You can't go out looking like that because everyone's 249 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,240 judged at first glance, you know. So, So I found my niche. 250 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,000 I really like mentoring and I love coaching, and I love to watch 251 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,920 some of these kids hit that ball farther than I ever dreamed. Wow, 252 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:26,640 all right, and you've you've revealed a couple of things here, but I 253 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,680 hope you don't mind me asking how old are you. I'm a seventy seven 254 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,400 as of July twecause when you said from my era, no one says that 255 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,400 unless you're from that era. Yeah, well there was there was big animals 256 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:47,599 walking the land. Oh well that's because you're in the Palm Springs area and 257 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:53,000 it's just everyone's away. Well, I'm very lucky. I I want to 258 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,519 say, knock on wood, but it's hard to find wood nowadays, but 259 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:03,200 knock on plastic. I am really good shape and I and I work at 260 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,640 it. I have to work at it. And being around young people helps 261 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,200 me work at it because typically they're all pretty fit these days. And so 262 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,359 we talk about nutrition and doing all the right things. And you know, 263 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:18,799 I love to hear Gary Player talk about put Kuman on everything you eat. 264 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:23,720 You know, he's a marvel that guy. And more people that would copy 265 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:29,640 him, and so some of these other artists they'd be better off for it. 266 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:34,720 And at seventy seven years old, I'm sure you know, like this 267 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,559 is going to enhance credibility for you, Like crazy, what are you shooting 268 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:45,319 these days? I still shoot part? And how far do you drive the 269 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,039 ball to sixty five? Well? I pop it? I need it off 270 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:52,799 for about to lead? I don't know. Yeah, but everybody gets really 271 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,960 well downhill. I mean when you're on a normal drive, is that really 272 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,839 what you're doing on normal dit? My normal drive is in the it's over 273 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,200 two fifty, you know. With me, I'm in that two sixty range. 274 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,000 Like I say, every now and then I cook one and you know, 275 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,680 you get a turn over a little bit and it'll get out there. 276 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,400 I can get out there pretty good still. You know, I can still 277 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:18,119 reach par fives and stuff. I usually hit it well over three hundred yards. 278 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,359 And I was just a skinny kid, but I was very flippy wristed, 279 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,319 and you know, and that was with the persimon would But I can 280 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,359 still move it a little bit, you know. I mean my golf team, 281 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,079 everybody hits the three hundred yards. They got arms three inches around and 282 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:41,160 they hit a three hundred yards. It's just crazy. So what kind of 283 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,440 new things have you discovered with your recent crop of young studs over at College 284 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,240 of the Desert. Well, you know what, I'm finding, they're not 285 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:57,000 so reluctant to listen. They're more curious about the golf. So again, 286 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:02,400 part of it is because they see the record we've compiled. And I'm not 287 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,519 going to say that every player that plays for me plays off the left side, 288 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:07,559 but a lot of them have changed to it, and when I explain 289 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,920 it to them, they realize that mathematically it makes sense. It's not very 290 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,640 It's just that, Look, if we got to get to the left side, 291 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,960 and when we hit the golf ball, the farther we get to the 292 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:21,240 right, the harder is to get to the left. There's a whole bunch 293 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,680 of things happening on that downsling that you've got a time, and we want 294 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,440 to eliminate timing as much as we can in the golfling. And so if 295 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:32,720 we can rotate on a axis instead of two but one, if we can 296 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,400 trap the club against our body via the connection of our arms to our body, 297 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,319 then as we rotate, the club face stays square through impact. And 298 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,599 it's easy to do physically. So you know, for the older generation out 299 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:47,480 there, they say, yeah, but you've got to be young to do 300 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:51,240 that. No, it's the opposite. The older you are, you know, 301 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,559 you're going to find it much more efficient. And the key here is 302 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:56,559 that you can square the club to the ball easier, so you get a 303 00:21:56,599 --> 00:22:00,480 lot of square hits. You know, I've got believe me. Late in 304 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:04,720 their eighties, are said, tell me, they're hitting the ball farther now 305 00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:10,039 than they did fifteen twenty years ago because for the first time in their life, 306 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,240 they know they're hitting the sweet spot. When you're throwing that club from 307 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:17,680 the top, they're trying to roll your hands over. Good luck, Charlie, 308 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:22,119 because you may hit once on a year, or if you're practicing out 309 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,559 eight hours a day, then maybe you can do that. But who practices 310 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:30,720 over a half hour a day, you know, So it's a godsend. 311 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:34,640 I was very lucky that someone walked in my office and gave me a letter 312 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:41,400 in a video because it changed the way I teach, and consequently it's helped 313 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,880 everyone I work with, whether they're I've got a girl that I worked with 314 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,559 two years, player of the Year last year. Her name is June Jangs. 315 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,519 She's on my video and she's winning everything and she's now going on to 316 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,599 the regionals of the state. And you watch you hit the ball, you 317 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,759 just go crazy. I mean, she's a fifteen year old girl that can 318 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,920 hit it to sixty two seventy wow. And that's not an exaggeration because when 319 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,759 we play, she keeps it up with me. When she busts when she's 320 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,000 got to ride by her buy me and I tell her, don't do that 321 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:15,480 anymore. But it's wonderful. And I just took on a seven year old 322 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,880 Korean boy that I'm going to tell you. I'm gonna tell you something. 323 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,839 I'm gonna film. I'm going to take a film of the Indian golf ball 324 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,200 and I'm going to send it to you, and it's going to shock you. 325 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:29,799 Seventies are seventeen, seven years old, seven years old, seven years 326 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,759 old and clocks it. I mean, I mean, he hits it out 327 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,440 there where you say that's not possible, and he puts like a madman. 328 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,200 And I can't take a lot of credit for this. His dad came to 329 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,400 me and I to watch this little boy on the on the driving range, 330 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,119 and it was like watching a little Ben Hogan. And his dad came. 331 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,519 He said, which you take give my boy lessons? And I said, 332 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,279 well, yeah, but you know you've done a really good job. He 333 00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:59,400 says he won't listen to me. He won't listen to me anymore, but 334 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:04,359 help. So I took him. And of course I don't charge kids. 335 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,960 I'm you know, it's for me. I get such a reward by teaching 336 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,839 him and watch them. And the first thing I found is when I talked 337 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240 to him, he was really shy all I he was a top of his 338 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,240 head. So I said, you know, you have to look at me 339 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,640 and I talked to you. So at the end of the lesson, I 340 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,759 said to them, Okay, Ivan, what have you learned today? He 341 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,680 said, well, you told me I have to set up a little better 342 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,559 at the ball and take it back a little bit more with the bigger should 343 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:30,720 return. And I have to look at you when you talk to me. 344 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,759 And you know, I just I just thought, oh, man, you 345 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:38,759 know that's that's really cool that he was listening. Wow, And can you 346 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:44,160 share his name? I don't even know the last name. His name is 347 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,000 Ivan, and he's a he's a I said, Korean. He's a little 348 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,440 Japanese, I excuse me, a little Chinese boy. And the next time 349 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,200 I talked to I'll tell you that the girl June Jang is she's Korean uh 350 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,759 and and she's going to be you watch. You will see her on the 351 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,920 tour and not only will she make the tour, she will win on the 352 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,079 tour. She's that good. Wow. Wow, Yeah, Well please send 353 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,319 me video. I want to see this, and we'll definitely put it up 354 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,400 on the website and let people see it. If oh yeah, you've got 355 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,680 to see this. I got to just give you a quick little story. 356 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:19,400 After a lesson of this last Tuesday, I brought him over back to the 357 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,720 We were on the turf way back, and I brought him back to the 358 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,319 front of the range where a lot of my golf team were. I said, 359 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,720 okay, guys, I'm going to show you how he was supposed to 360 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,160 hit the t ball. He teed that ball up and he hit it. 361 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,920 I don't know how far he hit it, but it was crazy far for 362 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,799 for a kid that and he's a small seven, but he's got this lag 363 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,640 right at the bottom that God gave him. Okay, and he busted it, 364 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,960 and I said, I just want to show you that that wasn't luck. 365 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,680 I tied another one up and get this a little farther. I mean, 366 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,960 he's got you know, he just can't wait to show off. So 367 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,759 it's it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, he's seven, of course old. 368 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,000 He wants to show people what he can do. Well. You know, 369 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,359 it's so interesting because I've had many conversations with people and have asked this question 370 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:06,079 of many instructors, and you know, about getting young people started, because 371 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:07,359 I you know, people go, HI, how much my ten year old 372 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,240 practice? Or how when should I? What should I? How do I 373 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,599 get my kid interested in golf? And I always talk about just start at 374 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:18,160 the putting green, the practice putting green. It's it's free, it's easy 375 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,839 to figure out. It's a way to compete with the kid that lets them 376 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,319 do it. Because hitting a golf ball is so difficult for anybody, and 377 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,559 and you know, it's so easy to get discouraged by hitting a golf ball. 378 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,519 But if putting, if you can fall in love with putting as a 379 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,480 little kid and it just becomes a second nature to you, then everything else 380 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,079 opens up for you. That's right. And then when you search for an 381 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:48,640 instruction instructor, find someone that really really enjoys teaching young people that that's that 382 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,599 they have a passion for it, because they'll be patient and they won't overload 383 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,599 them, and they won't it won't be don't do that and don't do this, 384 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:04,799 It'll be it'll be taught positively. Most PGA professionals have some idea about 385 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,319 this, but there's a lot of people that are not PGA professionals that are 386 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,640 wonderful teachers. You've got to be real careful with that first one. And 387 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:17,440 the reason I say this with June, her parents came to me and said, 388 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,759 would you teach her daughter? And by the way, she hates golf. 389 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,920 And I said, why doesn't she hate golf? Well, she had 390 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240 a lesson and she just couldn't do it. She couldn't hold the club, 391 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,240 she just couldn't do it. So I sat her down and I said, 392 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,880 I understand you really don't like golf. She says, no, it's too 393 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,720 hard. I said, well, how about if I give you a lesson 394 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480 and then you make a determination if you want to continue, and she said 395 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:44,799 okay, and we hit it off, and I knew what to do with 396 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:49,119 her because I've done this enough to know what to do. And now if 397 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,839 you ask her the question, what do you think about golf, she says, 398 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:59,960 I love golf. And so it's you know, it's that initial moment 399 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,240 when someone is helping them that they understand that this is such a great game 400 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:10,880 and you can really do this, and you have to instill those feelings and 401 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,079 it can't be penal, especially in the sore should never be penal number one. 402 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:22,720 But you just can't. You can't make them worry about performance. Initially. 403 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,759 It's like a dance. I'm teaching you a dance, and we all 404 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,400 look a little funnier, and we dance, and I always do a little 405 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,480 dance and they laugh and and we break the eye. So I really caution 406 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,799 people this. First of all, this is one of the greatest games a 407 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,119 young person could learn. For business, for pleasure, for a social you 408 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,119 meet quality people. So get your kids on the golf course. Get them 409 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,079 playing this great game. But make sure that, like going to a doctor, 410 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,480 pickoff someone that that that knows what they're doing. Don't be looking for 411 00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:00,359 a bargain basement deal. If you're if you're in palm desert, the deals 412 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,519 real good because it doesn't cost you anything to you know, a thousand kids 413 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,519 are trying. But no, I you know, I have a rule. 414 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,559 I would always have had that rule. I won't charge up until about sixteen 415 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,960 years old, and I sixteen. I can't. I just can't do it. 416 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,799 I mean ill, it's very generous with well, you know, you 417 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,720 know that's it's my time. I can do what I want with it. 418 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,039 Really that's how I feel about it. And and I promise you I get 419 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,960 as much out of it they do, you know, you know, as 420 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,640 I tell my students, when you're generous, you get a lot more than 421 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,279 the person you're giving to. And that's what I can tell you. That 422 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:42,960 should be written in stone. And I really believe that. And when I 423 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,759 even comes as shows Up or June or whoever I'm teaching, and I can't 424 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:52,240 wait, I'm chomping at the bit. And that's how you should be. 425 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,680 I'm not special. That's the way you're supposed to be. Well, If 426 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,519 anybody ever is considering taking a lesson from Tony or wanted to take him up 427 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,759 on this offer about you're under sixteen years old, do me the favor. 428 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,079 If you're going to book time for your child, with book an hour for 429 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,839 yourself too. I mean, give the guy something from a bone. You 430 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,160 can both go out and get a lesson. He's not going to charge you 431 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,359 for your kid, but let him you know. Anyway that you should know 432 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:27,839 is that Tony has a book and an accompanying DVD that the only place you 433 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,240 can find these are on Tony's website and at golfsmarter dot com it really is. 434 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,559 Is that still true? Yes? Okay. So the book is called 435 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,200 The Loss Fundamental, One Simple Move, Better Golf Forever. And then there's 436 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,039 a complimentary DVD called The Lost Fundamental. You can buy as a combo or 437 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,599 you can buy individually whatever you'd like, but please go to Golfsmarter dot com 438 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480 or go to the golf Smarter app. You can purchase it right off of 439 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,039 the app, the free app that we now have for both Apple and Android, 440 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,680 and you can buy it from there and Tony will send it to you 441 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,079 directly. Order comes to me, but I send it to Tony and he 442 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:10,240 sends it out. I don't fulfill it, but you should really consider it's 443 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,599 not a thick book. It's an effective book. And it's same with the 444 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,440 DVD and check out on our When you're in the app, go into videos 445 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,720 and find Ben Hogan's Secret Revealed to find the video that Tony and I did 446 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,519 together. Tony, I have based on the things that we've already discussed, 447 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:33,799 I have so many more questions that I want to get into details on swing 448 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,440 mechanics, which I don't do a lot, but I trust you there's some 449 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:40,319 questions that I have and some things that you said, you know, like 450 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,799 when you talked about when you were under pressure you hooked the ball. That 451 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,279 to me is absolutely fascinating. So can we spend some more time doing a 452 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:53,279 member's only episode. Absolutely awesome. All right, Tony, we're gonna do 453 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,680 this again for at least another thirty minutes, starting in just a moment. 454 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,920 All right, thank you very much. I really I really enjoy talking to 455 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,319 you, and I'm so glad you're back on the show.