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Welcome to the USA Think Tank Craigio
with your host Alejandrol Lhan. Hello,

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this is Alejandro Rojas, your host
for UFO Think Tank Radio. And I

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just realized something I like to you
all, and you know what, I

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don't care deal deal people, No, just kidding. I'm not much of

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a liar. I have this scene
where I do not like to lie,

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and I don't do very well because
it's like, why, let's live in

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reality people. Anyways, It's more
like I spaced something out, which isn't

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too bad. This is all about
space, right, And that was to

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make some news music. I was
gonna make some news music. I told

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you guys, I was going to
do some news music like CBS, like

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you know or something. And I
didn't do that, and I apologize and

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I'll try to do that for next
week. It's just that this week has

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been so so busy. In fact, I wasn't planning on doing a show

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tonight because I just had so much
to do. But anyway, I did

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do one, and I'm so happy
because I've got a great interview tonight,

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and that is with Tracy Austin,
a very lovely woman from who comes from

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England. And now she lives in
Las Vegas, and so going from this,

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you know, lovely slopes with lovely
English people, drinking tea and having

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a good time too crazy Las Vegas
in the middle of the desert. We've

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actually had her on the show before
and we've talked about all of her personal

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experiences. She shared that with us
before. However, what we're going to

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talk about tonight is pretty cool.
It's this brand new book that she has

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put together on the UFO sightings in
the Western United States, so mostly California,

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I think, Utah and New Mexico
or something like that. She'll talas

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in a little bit here, but
you know, the Western States. So

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she's written about nine cases in particular, mostly doing with abduction, alien abduction,

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donta dum some kind of scary music
there, because that's mostly scary because

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people know in the middle of the
ninety and they're being taken and weird stuff

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done to them and oh my goodness. And it's of course very hard for

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people to understand or even believe that, you know, people are being taken

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in the middle of the night.
It's like, come on, right,

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but uh, you know a lot
of people believe this to be happening to

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them, and it's interesting that they
have similar stories. And more so,

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a lot of researchers have looked into
it and feel it. There seems to

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be some sort don't don't freak out, but some sort of like hybridization program

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going on. Okay, subtle down, settle hand, don't freak out.

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I told you not to break out. So yeah, is that what's happening

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there? I don't know. So
we're going to talk to Tracy about that.

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And this is gonna be a lot
of fun. Otherwise things going on

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in the news, So I talked
a little bit about this. There's been

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some news regarding Gary McKinnon. Gary
McKinnon, of course, with a man

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who hacked into government computers at several
locations to look for et information. He

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did find some he does and people
get mad at me, but I'm sorry.

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These are case words. He said
he was stoned and drunk much of

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the time, and that's not to
say anything bad about him. He did

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this ten years ago. I'm older
than him, but I would say about

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twenty years ago, I was drunk
and stoned myself. So I'm not saying

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that's bad. I'm saying we all
get drunken stoned during our twenties, don't

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we and a couple of them,
well, at least I did a lot,

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you know, in my early twenties. I apologize if that offends you,

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but I'm through it now. I
am clean. I found meditation,

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and I don't want anything screwing with
my inner groove because I got a good

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groove going on here, so I
don't touch that stuff anymore. But Gary

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did, and you know, then
he hacked into these computers and he was

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inspired by Stephen Grinn's disclosure project,
and he says he found some stuff,

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so I'm like a roster of non
terrestrial humans. And he saw a picture

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of a UFO, he says,
but unfortunately he did not save any of

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this evidence, so it's all hearsay
on his part. Regardless, he really

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did hack into computers. He was
then arrested. He was given the option,

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Hey, you would best up to
this, we'll throw you in jail

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for a few years. He said, he gave the US the middle finger

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and they said, okay, we're
throwing the book at you. And now

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that he doesn't want to be extradited, and I don't blame him. We

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talked, I talked about this before, about how the English and really fear

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American prison because they see it on
TV, all this crazy stuff, and

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so just the mere thought of American
prisons because people are just watching too much

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American TV, they freak, They
freak, the flip out. And you

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know what, if I was facing
the possibility of being in an American prison,

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I'd freak out too. So I
can't blame him. So he wants

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to stay in England and I hope
he can. And what's interesting about today's

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news. I already talked about how
on October sixteenth they're supposed to be deciding

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what they're going to do, whether
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This has gotten up to the top
ranks. I mean, the Prime Minister

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and the President have talked about this. Obama the last time says do what

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you want, and they haven't decided, so on October sixteenth they're supposed to.

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However, a report did come out
where the Deputy Prime Minister had said

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this is bunk man. They're like, he's like chill, dudes, that

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he's essentially saying that this extradition law
that we have with America should be scrapped

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and a lot of people feel that
way. Garry McKinnon would be here right

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now if people other English people did
not feel this way because they're upset about

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this extradition law. They think it's
biased towards the US and they ain't digging

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it. Nobody's digging the US these
days. They're kind of all getting mad

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at us. But what can you
do? Come on, you know it's

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not our fault all this stuff going
down. Anyway, Moving on, there

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was some news this week about a
UFO being seen in the sky and some

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this is here in Arizona and these
these strange pictures and everything, and it

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turned out to be a rocket test
interesting enough, which is kind of weird.

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The rocket decided to shoot something out
of white sand and people were able

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to see it for miles and that
doesn't seem very safe. And I hope

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that they don't do that anymore because
that scares me because people saw it out

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here in Arizona. I'm in the
desert of Arizona. I'm not too far

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from Goldwater Range. Don't shoot stuff
out of your missile range, dudes,

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because it could land on me and
I would not appreciate that. So that's

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all to do. With that story. Other sightings that made the news.

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There's UFO photographs that were taken in
Africa over some diamond mines. I'm sorry

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this is Canada, but still over
some Arctic diamond mines in Canada. It's

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a strange round circular cloud and these
three lights that come to seem to go

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down. A lot of people are
saying, well, it looks like maybe

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something was reflecting from on the window
when they took the picture. Does look

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like that? It looks that.
I don't know. It's just a still

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picture though, so it's difficult to
say. This was in the International Business

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Times again, International Business Times writing
about UFOs quite a bit. So thank

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you guys for being cool and writing
about UFOs because we all know that is

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the it's the coolest of the cool
that writes about UFOs. Oh yeah.

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Other UFO news UFO sightings over Melbourne. Here's another one. Three aw six

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ninety three Talk We've Got UFOs on
the Air has written about UFOs over Melbourne.

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That is an Australia and this is
an Australian news program and some they

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sent them some pictures and they actually
posted these pictures and they did some analysis

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and it looks very strange whatever this
is that they're looking at. So you

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can go look at these pictures.
Remember, if you go to UFO DailyNews

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dot com, you're going to see
under the UFO news feed all of these

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stories. You can actually go to
UFO Thankank dot com also because that will

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redirect you to UFO DailyNews dot com
where you're gonna find the latest UFO news,

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including these stories I'm covering in these
pictures from Melbourne, Australia. Yeah,

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I don't know what to make of
the pictures. Some people have said

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maybe it was a bird that was
reflecting. It's very strange. It's almost

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like the saucer sheeped like, yeah, it's very difficult to describe, I

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would say. So you're gonna have
to look at this thing. It is

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at night and some light in the
light in the sky, so very interesting

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though. Finally a story on other
Australian UFO sidings, so supposedly there.

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This is a story about some burn
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these are stories by the Australian Transport
Safety Bureau, so similar to the FAA,

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but of an orange light being seen
in January twenty fifth of last year,

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and something flying around of this sort
and it was also seen by a

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pilot, so it's a it's a
very short story. Unfortunately they don't have

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much here, but this has been
posted by the Harold Sun, which is

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a paper out there in sunny Australia
to where they have the out black and

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the crocodiles and the marsupials come from
Australia. And marsupials are very strange,

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aren't they. I wonder if some
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planet. And it's interesting to think
that we have this breed of marsupials.

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So super Wallaby, so Wallaby is
a marsupials. You know, these strange

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animals here on this planet that you
can't find anywhere else. I think that's

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cool. Speaking of Australia, so
lots of UFON news out in Australia.

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They are UFO crazy as well,
which is wonderful. The whole world round

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is just fascinated with this phenomena,
as are we. You know who else

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is fashion fascinating. I mean,
they just can't get enough of UFO stuff.

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That is the National Atomic Testing Museum
in sunny Las Vegas, Nevada,

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and also in the middle of the
desert. Well it's where Tracy's from,

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who we're going to talk to in
just a minute. But first I want

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to mention this, but they are
having a special lectured called Military UFOs Secrets

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Revealed. Holy Moly, the people
here are going to be Colonel Bill Coleman.

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And this is significant. Especially these
two are really significant. Colonel Bill

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Coleman, he's retired, he's been
retired for some time. He was the

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chief public Affairs officer for Blue Book, so he worked on Blue Book.

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So that's why this is significant.
Also Colonel Robert Friend, who also worked

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in Blue Book. He was a
director for a period of time. And

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of course blue Book being the official
UFO investigation investigations by the US Air Force

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which ended in nineteen sixty nine.
Now, these guys you can see here

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and there doing interviews, not too
often though, especially you can see them.

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In the nineteen eighties, there was
a video called UFOs Live Terrible.

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It was really goofy, but it
got a lot of people interested in this

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stuff, and there was some stuff
that was kind of not bad, including

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some of the interviews. In the
interviews with these guys, you can actually

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see that if you go to the
UFO Daily News YouTube because I posted that

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whole show, and I don't know
that I've seen a pop in and out

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here and there, but I don't
know anybody else who had the whole show

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posted. So it's something to watch
because it's definitely part of UFO history.

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But I'll tell you now, these
guys are skeptics. They're major skeptics.

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They say pretty much that they didn't
find anything in blue Book that they couldn't

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explain away. That's pretty much their
feeling and has been their feeling for all

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along. I've talked to Lee Spiegel, who's going to be there, I

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might be there to be honest,
and he feels that Bill Coleman's possibly going

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to tell him about a secret.
Now I'll tell you next week what happens,

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because Lee's going to write about it, and Bill Coleman did have an

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incredible UFO siding. But I'll bet
you here's my guess. I will prophesize

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for you that Bill Coleman will say
I do have a big secret to reveal

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that the UFO that I thought,
I'm sure that it was just a duck

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or he was probably an early unmanned
aerial vehicle something like that. I mean,

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this guy's not going to come out
after years and years of saying there's

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nothing to all this, and say, especially when he's asked so much about

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it, obviously, and he's hidden
from the limelight regarding all of this,

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and come out and say, oh, however, even though you know,

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we might not get some exciting news
out of those two, it's going to

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be really cool. At least they're
talking, and there's this whole presentation supposed

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to be videotaped. There are three
other gentlemen who are going to be there.

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Nick Pope, who we've had on
the show multiple times. Of course

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I've talked about him a lot.
He was worked the UFO desk for the

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UK Ministry of Defense. Also Colonel
John Alexander who's also been on the show.

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He worked in non lethal weapons,
but also had a little working group

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of some friends and intelligence where they
did look into paranormal and UFOs and they

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believe there are UFOs. He's not
so sure there's a grand conspiracy. And

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also Colonel Charles Holt, who he's
also had on the show, who was

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the deputy based commander at Bentwaters when
there was that extraordinary UFO occurrence where these

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things had been seen for a couple
of days flying over the base and beaming

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lights. Colonel Halt saw this himself, lights being beamed into the weapons storage

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area. Some people gave Lee heck
because he said Colonel Halt was the base

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commander, and actually he was.
He was a deputy deputy base commander when

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it happened. He wrote up the
report that actually went to the UK because

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they said, well, you know, we saw this thing land but it

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was not on the base, so
that's UK property. Let's write them a

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letter say hey, here's what happened. It's your problem, now deal with

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it. Of which the UK said, oh, we don't know what to

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do, so they ignored it,
supposedly, but he later became the Bentwaters

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based commander. So that's why Lee
said that, and it is accurate.

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And I think that's very interesting to
note that after his siding, and after

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he submitted a report on this siding, that he still went on to become

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the base commander. And of course
he's had a lot of interesting things to

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say, such as the other witnesses
such as Chargon Peniston and I can't remember

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some of the other witnesses right now. I apologize, but said that they

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were debriefed by some mysterious group,
and Colonel Holt suggest I do believe that

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some third party intelligence group could have
gone come in and debriefed them without my

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knowledge or debase Commander's knowledge. It's
like, whoa dude, But these guys

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worked that way. People doing whatever
they want, I guess. So that's

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the whole show. So a lot
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interesting, and that's in Las Vegas
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getting your cars, head out there
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on. So we'll see what comes
with that, and I'm sure on the

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next show I'll be talking about exactly
that what comes of it. If you

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want some more information, you can't
go to the National Atomictestingmuseum dot org.

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And they're also going to have in
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this is the museum if you remember
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some pictures of it on my website
where they did they have an area dedicated

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to area fifty one, and this
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UFOs and aliens, and so you
know they're definitely playing up that mythology that

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there have been aliens and UFOs worked
on it Area fifty one. Who knows

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right, very mysterious stuff, I'm
telling you so without further ado, however,

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we do have a great interview with
Tracy Austin, and you know what,

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let's see what Tracy has to say
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to have back on the show.
Tracy Austin, Hello, how are you?

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I am great, Talahandro and Sanks
for having me back on the show.

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I really appreciate it. Yes,
well, it's exciting. You've got

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some big news. You've got a
brand new book out. I do indeed

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Alien encounters in the Western United States. Nine true accounts in the book of

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actual Alien Encounters alien abductions from people
in the Western United States. We've got

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some cases from California, cases from
Las Vegas, Utah as well and Colorado.

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Okay, great, I was going
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Southwest guy, and of course I'm
from Colorado. You spent some time in

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Colorado also, though, didn't you
not in Colorado? No? No,

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my husband's from Colorado. Oh okay, and now you live in Las Vegas.

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I do how's that beened? How
long have you been there? Been

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here since two thousand and six.
And it's a great place to be,

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you know, it's a world class
everything here as I'm sure you know.

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You know. But I lived in
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have to say I do miss that
ocean and the dolphins. Yeah, I

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can see that. The ocean's beautiful. It is. It's spectacular. That's

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why the coast is so full of
people. That's right. But you know,

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I haven't actually made a trip back
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in two thousand and six. Well, I tell a lie, I

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took a trip to Santa Barbara last
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but it was literally an overnight thing. So that was the only ship I

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made back there. So when you've
gathered some of these stories, now nine

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accounts doesn't sound like a lot,
but when you read the book, I

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mean, you've got a lot of
different topics and things going on here,

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So it sounds like it's a jam
pack full of a lot of information.

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Are these cases mostly abduction issues?
Yeah? They are. They experiences abduction

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issues. There is a section in
there about alien implants as well. I

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had interviewed my dear friend doctor Roger
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interview for the book and allowing me
to have actual photographic evidence of alien implants

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as seen under the electron microscope.
So we have some photographs in here of

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those that were taken out from some
of the patients of doctor Leah, and

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like I said, he was very
gracious to allow me to do that.

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Barbara Lamb also writes a forward for
me in the book as well, which

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is from a regression therapist's point of
view. I mean, Barbara is a

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well known lady in her field of
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and she has regressed hundreds upon hundreds
upon hundreds of people and very much knows

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that this is a real phenomena that
is going on, just like doctor Roger

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Leo, who has removed sixteen alleged
alien implants to date. So when was

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it that you first heard about the
abduction phenomenon? Kind of how is your

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evolution gone as far as what you've
learned, and maybe how your thoughts may

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have changed on the phenomenon. Well, to be honest with you, Alejandro,

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I first got into this whole subject
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I covered it briefly on the previous
show, but I was studying in London.

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I was training as a concert pianist
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my very first UFO siting in the
middle of London nineteen eighty seven, and

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it got me to it was almost
as if they said to me, you

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know, you're not going to go
down this path that you think you're going

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to go down. You're going to
go down this path and you're going to

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learn what we are all about.
It really stemmed from that, I think,

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to be honest with you, and
went to various conferences both in England

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and the United States, got to
meet with people on alleged circuit. Of

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course, you know, you make
friends with these people, you get to

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find out what they're researching and their
involvement and abductions. It seems has been

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always to the forefront of this,
and I know a lot of people have

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remained quiet about it. You know, they didn't want to come out of

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the woodwork to talk about it because
of fear of ridicule and rejection, and

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you know what the feeling of people
are going to think I'm an absolute raising

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nutcase. But as the years have
gone by since eighty seven, it seems

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that more and more people have been
involved. And the research in my book

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for this has led me to believe
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Those are just the people coming forward. What about the people who are

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not coming forward? Has to be
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we've got to be in the number
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worldwide. All right, when you
come to that number four million, how

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do you get to that number?
I knew you were going to ask me

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that it's a big number. It's
a big number. This is based on

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roper poles. This is based on
a couple of roper poles out there that

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I based my research on. So
that is what the number is suggesting.

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And those are the people that have
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that they've had this phenomena happen to
them. Gotch. So you've taken a

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poll. If it says like two
percent of the people say in the poll

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that they've had an experience in two
percent of the overall population, is how

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you get the number? M hmm, okay, gotcha, right right.

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That would be a lot of people. Now, I guess one of the

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questions that also comes up is in
your situation, you felt kind of like

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you had a communication or some guidance
which you followed in your experience. However,

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of course, when you look into
the abduction phenomena, some of those

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people feel that it's a very negative
experience. How have you kind of categorized

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those things or how do you view
that that difference? Well, it does

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come across that way. To be
honest with you, Alejandro, that doesn't

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seem to be anything positive for the
experience or the abductee whose involvement has been

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with this. It seems to be
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doctor David Jacobs has said in his
book The Threat and Secret Life,

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the late John Mack in his abduction
work, the late Bud Hopkins, and

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I hate to say the late you
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Mack. It's hard to believe they're
no longer with us because their work is

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so phenomenal, but they have all
suggested that there's nothing really positive to this

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for the experiencer. It's one sided. This is an agenda that these beings

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have and they're going to do it
no matter what it takes, it's of

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extreme importance to them. I am
of the opinion also, like I said

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that it does seem to come across
that way, but there's always two signs,

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two sides to a coin, well, actually three sides to a coin.

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But I think it's how we are
looking at this. We don't know

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if these implants, for example,
are of extreme benefits to us. We

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just don't know. I know that
doctor Lear, you know, when he

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first got involved with the whole alien
implant theme, thought that this se just

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wanting to prove to people that this
was regular stuff that he was taking out

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of the body. You know,
the thought, because he's a pediatrist,

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that it could be plastic glass hair, you know, something from the beach,

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maybe a piece of shell or whatever. But when he comes to take

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them out and have them analyzed,
this was proving that this was something completely

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different from what he's taken out of
the body before. So he became a

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believer from all of that. So
who really knows what benefit these implants are

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for We don't know. I mean, he thought that they were tracking devices

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at first, but then came to
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devices because these beings can actually find
you anywhere, they don't need an object

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to locate you. So then it
came down to the other assumption that it

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was for monitoring our DNA, monitoring
how our body is functioning. These beings

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are following family lineage, their family
following family bloodlines, and like I said,

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you know, it's how we are
interpreting it. Also, I think

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as a human being we need to
be able to look at all aspects of

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it. But on the surface,
it sure does seem to be a negative

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connotation, and I can understand people
thinking that way, although it sounds to

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though you don't feel that your experience, at at least that was negative.

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No, it wasn't. Mine was
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I'll get more into that. We'll
talk about maybe some different agendas and stuff,

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but I wanted to touch on some
of the things that you were talking

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about here, especially about the bloodlines
and the implants. Now, the people

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who are abducted typically have kind of
some communications through at least some kind of

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ideas in the cases that you're covering
here, or maybe just in your research,

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have you found that someone maybe the
people you wrote about that who doctor

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Lear removed an implant from Did they
know that was in there? Did they

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do they remember it being put in
there? And have they ever asked or

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been told what that was all about? Yeah, in many of the cases,

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they at first did not know that
the implant was actually in there,

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and under certain circumstances came to find
out that there was indeed something. For

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example, I talk about a case
in the book of a gentleman from Colorado

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whose name is Tim in fact,
you know, I think everybody perhaps knows

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Tim Collin, who is spent on
documentaries, and doctor roger Ley removed his

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implant. He did not know he
had an implant in his wrist, and

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had sightings. He had sightings with
his wife Janet. And it was only

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until one particular case, as a
construction worker at the time, that he

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accidentally hit his hand with a hammer
and took himself to the emergency room to

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get it checked and they took X
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severely damaged by this hammer, and
took X rays and they saw on the

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X ray that, hey, you
have a piece of metal in your wrist

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here. Do you know that you
have this? Are you aware of it?

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Well? Tim spoke about the fact
that immediately as the doctor of the

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jets did this to him, his
mind went right back to the time when

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he had the encounter with his wife
where he saw the craft and the craft

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hovering above the vehicle, and then
knew at that point that I must have

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gone on board, I must have
been taken. This is what they had

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done to me. And of course
he's tried to have regression therapy to uncover

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all of that event, but like
most abductees, they get to a certain

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point and you can't get beyond the
wall. He's blocked from doing that,

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which is what these beings tend to
do. As I'm sure you're aware,

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they suppress the information. So then, like I said, you know,

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he was of the belief that,
well, this is what they've put in

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here, and doctor Roger Lear asked
him, you know, well, do

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you want it to live it in
or do you want it removed? And

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he said, no, I really
want this thing out. And just like

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every other abductee that has these things, they feel that this new sense of

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freedom, this new found freedom once
these objects are gone and out of the

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body. But I have to say
that one of the cases in the book

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also Alice. She did not know
that she had an implant in her calf

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in her left leg after an encounter
in nineteen ninety four at the DL Cornado

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Island in San Diego where there was
a whole host of things going on with

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abductions at that time, when President
Clinton was there visiting the town, and

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the whole place was swarming with Secret
Service people, and she just couldn't believe

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that perhaps they would not know that
something like this had taken place with about

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fifteen to seventeen people. And it
was only after that time at the conference

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in nineteen ninety six that she met
doctor Lea and she was told, she

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said, by a voice, and
she's not prone to healing voices, by

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the way, that look at your
leg, looked down at your leg.

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And so she followed the instruction.
She looked down at her leg and she

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noticed a scoop mark, like a
kidney shaped scoop mark. That's when she

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approached doctor Leah and told him of
what had happened, and he obviously put

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it up, you know, put
it on X ray and there it was,

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there was the object and again asked, what do you want to do?

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Do you want to keep this in
or do you want to have it

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removed? And she said no,
of course I want it removed. And

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I think Roger had actually gained some
funding at the time to do three different

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surgeries. And Willie Strieber was meant
to be one of those three people to

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have his implant removed from his earlobe, but he backed out at the last

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minute and said that he felt removing
this thing made need to some kind of

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bad health, to be health issues, so he bats up, you didn't

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want it removed, And Alice was
the lady who went in his place as

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the third person. With this funding
that Roger managed to gain. Now that

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these implants are removed, you know, now we have something physical and I

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think a lot of people wonder this. Of course I've talked to doctor,

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I know to some of the answers. But what your perspective on, you

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know, I think a lot of
people, well they do. They probably

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ask you, well, if you
have an implant, then why don't you

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figure out what it is? Well, you've got to go through the necessary

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steps obviously to find out what it
is, whether it's an MRI, it's

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a cat scan or whatever, and
take the necessary steps from there. You

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have to remember with this, which
I'm sure you are aware of, and

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there is no portal of entry as
to how these things actually got in there,

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which is of extreme interest. I
mean, these things are made of

409
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:16.920
meteorite. How does a piece of
meteorite get in someone's body? So you've

410
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:23.320
got to take the logical steps,
and you know, maybe who comes with

411
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:29.719
doctor Leon and find out if he
can be of help to to this person

412
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.760
who may think they have an implant, and see what what comes forth?

413
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.960
Now, how did those were there
other effects when the when the implants were

414
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:46.079
removed that the people you wrote about
felt, Yeah, they all pretty much

415
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:53.239
said that they found a new sense
of freedom once they had this subject removed.

416
00:36:53.800 --> 00:37:00.119
Alice, however, was a little
different. Alice actually became quite nauseated

417
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.960
and once this was removed, she
became quite nauseated and didn't feel too good

418
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:13.760
once it was removed. She never
actually said as such that she felt this

419
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.599
new fan freedom, but she was
starting to have, you know, physical

420
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.440
effects from having it removed. She
has actually been on board the craft and

421
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.840
sort of had dealings with these beings
when she removed her implant. They do

422
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:35.400
not like it, she categorically said, these people do not like it when

423
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.880
you have them removed. Now,
obviously they don't show any type of human

424
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:47.960
emotion like we do, aggression or
frustration. That they're different. Obviously their

425
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.159
makeup is far different. But she
said she could just tell. She just

426
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.280
got a feeling from it once they
knew she had it removed, and basically

427
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.480
just put another one inside her ear
and said, you won't remove this.

428
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.920
And has she been able to do
like an X ray to see that that

429
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.360
is there? And is she thinking
about removing it? I don't believe she

430
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.480
is removing it. No, I
think she's going to leave it in there.

431
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.760
Same with a guy that I spoke
to in Utah, a guy named

432
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:25.960
Ron in the book, he has
one behind his left ear and spoke to

433
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.280
doctor Lee about it a few years
ago actually, and Roger said, well,

434
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.679
you know, if I can help
you, if you feel you want

435
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.719
to have this removed, And he
said, well, you know, I

436
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.440
think I would like it to be
removed, to be honest with you,

437
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:43.440
because this would help science. This
could help science in such a big way

438
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.840
to find out what these things really
are. However, three days later he

439
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:53.039
was re abducted and told ND to
know certain circumstances, you are not to

440
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.920
remove this implant. It has to
stay in and it is of most importance.

441
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:05.320
So again Ron has the implant in
his ear to this day. So

442
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.320
moving away from the implant, I
mean, it's really interesting and we'll probably

443
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.519
touch on it again. But you
also mentioned in the Bloodlind, have you

444
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:19.079
found that in the cases that you've
looked at with the abductions that a child

445
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.199
and or parent has also had these
experiences that it does seem to be a

446
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:28.800
multi generational type of things. Absolutely, most of the cases in the book

447
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.480
are generational. There's one, in
particular, a case in there which is

448
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:40.920
John's experience, who is actually a
scientist, and John, his wife,

449
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:49.880
and all of his three children are
involved with this phenomenon. And for example,

450
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.079
the smaller child, he's got two
boys and a girl. The smaller

451
00:39:53.199 --> 00:40:00.480
child, who's I think she's four, told John one day how she was

452
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.719
afraid of the trash truck and he
said, well, what do you mean

453
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.880
you're afraid of the trash truck?
She says, well, Daddy, it

454
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:12.840
reminds me of the ship that comes
down and the people that take me up

455
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:17.800
into the sky at night. So
I mean, how can you refute that.

456
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.559
You know, children don't lie,
Children tell it like it is.

457
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:30.159
Schildren don't need to, you know, fabricate. They're pure. And they

458
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.760
have actually been seen him and one
of his sons, in particular, on

459
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.039
board the craft by someone else that
he knows, who's an abductee, who's

460
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:45.280
physically seen him and his son on
board of the ship. Yeah, and

461
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.320
he said, I was just blown
away. I was just blown away by

462
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.800
the fact that that has happened,
which lends more even more credibility to the

463
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.760
whole thing, you know. So
yeah, and he feels you know,

464
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:04.920
when his wife was first pregnant,
they got on a trip to I think

465
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:12.440
it was somewhere in Arizona, the
Grand Canyon, and his wife back about

466
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.800
nine o'clock one evening, decided that
she needed to go out to the Grand

467
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:22.440
Canyon and asked John to drive them
there. And she said, well,

468
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.360
why would she be asking to do
this at nine o'clock at night, you

469
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.760
know, it didn't make any sense, he said, but I complied.

470
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.440
I went with it, and we
drove out there, and the closer I'm

471
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:38.519
reaching the point that we're going to
I feel really uneasy and I feel like

472
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.480
we shouldn't go any further. I
feel that we have to turn back.

473
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.800
Well, she kind of felt the
same way when they reached a certain point,

474
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.559
but didn't know why. The next
thing, they know that they're turning

475
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.119
back and they're going back to the
hotel. A few days later, they

476
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.480
started to have little lashbacks of what
had actually happened to them, and as

477
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.320
it turned out, to the point
that they had got to a section in

478
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.199
the road before they made the turning
where they needed to go, a UFO

479
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:17.360
had come down in that particular clearing
of the road, and that's at the

480
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.880
precise point where they said they have
to go. They have to turn back.

481
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.800
It didn't feel right and they should
leave. Well, what had actually

482
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:31.039
transpired that John remembered that the beings
had asked him to pull his car over

483
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:39.719
and to wait. At that time, his wife actually physically goes up through

484
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:46.159
the seat belts, through the roof
of the car and into the waiting craft

485
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.559
above the vehicle, and he said, all I could do was wait.

486
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:58.280
There's nothing I could do. So
it was about ten minutes he was getting

487
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:05.400
concerned that wife wasn't brought back fifteen. By twenty minutes she came back she

488
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.519
was brought back the same way that
she'd left the vehicle. She came through

489
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:14.079
the roof of the car and slipped
back down into the seat belt, which

490
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.559
is I mean, that is phenomenal. The whole thing of that was phenomenal.

491
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.400
And that's when they said they have
to they felt uneasy, they should

492
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:29.320
turn around and go back. As
it turns out, what they had done

493
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:35.880
when John was abducted a couple of
weeks later, they had told John,

494
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:43.800
these gray people that they had given
his wife the equivalent of like an amniosynthesis,

495
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:51.480
and that they had indeed placed this
needle inside his wife's abdomen and had

496
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:55.079
to do this and this was for
the purpose of the child. And John

497
00:43:55.159 --> 00:44:00.920
believes that what this was for is
they were actually interviewing with the child.

498
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.920
They were interfering with the child's DNA. And he asked them, never ever,

499
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.840
ever, to please do that again, never, you know, never

500
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:13.840
have my wife experience anything like that
again. Well, these beings turned around

501
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:15.639
and said to John, well,
we won't as long as she doesn't get

502
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:20.960
pregnant again. So they're very interesting, he says, for some reason,

503
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.639
they have an interest in my children. And John as a scientist and he's

504
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.960
you know, he's got that background, he's got that science mind and believes

505
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.440
that they open up to him a
little bit more about, you know,

506
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.199
things to do with the craft,
the propulsion of the craft, show him

507
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.679
different things, like they've taken him
to the dark side of the moon,

508
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:47.000
showed him where they build their craft
more than they would an average person being

509
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:54.199
taken because John can understand it better. So did he build then that he

510
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:00.239
has an idea or what are his
feelings on the motivation to why they are

511
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:06.159
doing this and if it's why they
seem to be taking people along his bloodline

512
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.639
and this sort of thing they according
to John, and like a lot of

513
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:19.159
people, it's this hybridization. They
need specific characteristics of your DNA. Whatever

514
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.039
that is, we don't know.
But if we look at some of the

515
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:27.760
people that are the majority of people
that they're taking, these people in the

516
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:35.400
majority, are they come from an
art background, or they're very scientific minded,

517
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:44.119
or they have psychic intuitive abilities.
Their personalities are just different from you

518
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:50.800
know, other people. Whether there's
a certain understanding there, I don't know.

519
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:55.760
It seems to be the case,
but he's talked about hybridization. The

520
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:01.920
fact that this is part of their
program. He knows that he has hybrid

521
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.719
children on board the ship. He's
met them, and again they are interested

522
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.960
in his children. He's even actually
taken infrared lights and when his children have

523
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:17.800
had encounters, he's sort of scanned
their body with these ultra violet lights and

524
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:23.719
things to see if they have been
taken and fingerprints have been left on the

525
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:31.599
children. He doesn't pressurize the children
into telling him or his wife what has

526
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:36.039
happened to them. He kind of
lets the children be free with that,

527
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.639
and when they feel they want to
speak to the parents about it, they

528
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:45.039
come to them and talk about it. But again, everything like Dr David

529
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:51.079
Jacobs has said in his books John
Mark Pott Hawkins, it's more about this

530
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:57.760
reading program. It's of extreme importance
to them. And the gentleman you're talking

531
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.679
about now, he doesn't seem like
he has a combative relationship with these beings

532
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.480
and it seems to be at least
for him a little more back and forth

533
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:13.480
than other people experience. So does
he have a negative feeling towards these entities

534
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:19.840
or I think it's kind of half
and half. I think it was pretty

535
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.440
much negative to begin with Alejandro,
because he didn't know how to deal with

536
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.599
this kind of thing, and certainly
he didn't want his children and his wife

537
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.559
involved with this kind of thing.
But as the years have gone by,

538
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:40.840
he's being more complying with them on
a level of some kind of understanding because

539
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.960
of the nature of how they talk
to him, how they share information,

540
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:53.039
because of his science background that he
can handle it. So it's one that's

541
00:47:53.079 --> 00:48:02.199
more of a slightly friendlier terms than
what it previously was. And with some

542
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.119
people it is that way. With
some people they absolutely loathe it. They

543
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.280
hate it, they wish it it
never happened. They wished to just go

544
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:15.360
away and stop. They don't want
this. It's interfering with their lives and

545
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:22.320
their marriages, the relationships. So
it's it differs from from a person to

546
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:30.360
person. A lot of abductees talking
about, you know, the typical gray

547
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.480
that we invasion, you know,
and we see images of around being involved

548
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:42.960
with abducting them in when you interviewed
all of these different people today have similar

549
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:49.960
descriptions of the beings and their craft
they did. The majority of these nine

550
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:57.360
cases of all being dealing with gray
entities, which you know, apparently there

551
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:02.159
are different types of great entity is
as not just one particular type. Ron

552
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:07.960
from Utah, for example, had
first encountered a very tall gray that was

553
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:14.440
round about seven seven feet tall or
so, and he said he knew that

554
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:20.039
because of the ceiling, his nine
foot ceiling, so he knew that this

555
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.800
being was approximately seven feet tall,
not a typical kind of gray, that

556
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:30.519
is, you know, three and
a half four feet tall. There are

557
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.320
also reptilian beings that have been mentioned
as a case in the book from Dina

558
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:42.239
and Chris, who are residents here
in Las Vegas, who were taken to

559
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:49.079
certain incubatorians on board the ship,
and Dina in particular said that while she

560
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:55.039
was there in this incubatorium, there
was a reptilian standing god watching what was

561
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:00.280
going on, watching that everybody was
complying with what they were asked to do.

562
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:06.639
And that's quite an interesting case in
itself because for Dina, she was

563
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.039
taken when she was sixteen years of
age, and there were other girls,

564
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.960
maybe six or seven other girls of
the same age who she did not know,

565
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:20.360
but saw them on the craft.
And she described a huge wall that

566
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.719
had ambient lighting from behind it,
and in the wall were about thirty baskets,

567
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.920
thirty drawers, I didn't know what
was in them at first, didn't

568
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:35.719
know where they were until her bean
came through and approached them and said to

569
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.639
the sixteen year olds, each and
every one of them, that we want

570
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:43.800
you to open up the basket.
We want you to take the baby out

571
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:47.719
of the basket, and we want
you to hold and murture it, and

572
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.880
we want you to hold it to
your breast to feed it. And Dina

573
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:58.039
said, well, that's ridiculous,
that's impossible. We can't do that.

574
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.400
We haven't given birth to these babies, we have no milk. And she

575
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.800
said that she was just instructed just
to do it from this being. So

576
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.800
that's what every single girl did.
They took out every single baby from the

577
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:15.559
basket. They complied, and how
the baby to their breasts as if they

578
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.920
were feeding the babies. And this
reptilian was standing guard watching what was going

579
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.840
on, that everyone was complying.
As a chapter in the book that I

580
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:31.159
write about the tall Whites that are
supposedly out there at Indian Springs, which

581
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.480
actually I don't live too far from, and that one of the a guy

582
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:45.159
wrote about Charles Hall his trilogy,
that he'd actually worked out there and seen

583
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:51.000
these tall whites during his duties of
a weather observer, so we have those

584
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:57.119
as well. We also have like, let me see here, it's pretty

585
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:02.440
much like a trickster type being.
I kind of saw a being similar to

586
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.400
this from my experiences, but there
was no face with mine, and this

587
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:14.199
one you can actually see the faces
of the face of this being that has

588
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:20.159
wrinkles or folds if you like,
in the face kind of dark black eyes.

589
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.760
It's called a dwarf. A dwarf
alien being often referred to as a

590
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:30.360
trickster one who likes to play games
with the experiencer. Has often been seen,

591
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:35.199
you know, pulling the bed covers
off the individual or trying to tickle

592
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:43.559
the experience as they live their sleeping
And I actually spoke at the Women's twenty

593
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:49.519
twelve UFO conference in Texas that my
good friend Paula Harris put on back in

594
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.079
May. I hosted it and spoke
there, and as soon as I put

595
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:58.079
up on the slides this particular being, I had a lady that started to

596
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.199
talk to me about it and asked
me could I give her information of where

597
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:07.280
she could research this being because she
actually had an encounter with the same type

598
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.559
of being and she said, I
was absolutely flawed when I saw the slide

599
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.679
come up of this being, so
you know, she was happy to see

600
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:20.239
that other people were involved with this
type of being. And of course you

601
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.320
got the Nordic beings as well,
that we're very similar to the Pleadians.

602
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:30.960
Beautiful features, very angular, beautiful
blue eyes, blonde hair, seem to

603
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:37.199
be very very benevolent and with a
totally different type of agenda. Now,

604
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:43.119
when you talked about the hybridization and
seeing the babies, it seems that the

605
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.360
characteristics of these babies that have been
described are usually kind of half human,

606
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.679
half gray have But in mentioning all
of these other entities, have you had

607
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.599
any stories where it seems like maybe
it's these other entities that are mixed in

608
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:06.320
with human characteristics. Not from my
research with these nine accounts, no,

609
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.920
So does it seem that then this
hybrid it's just kinda it seems like it's

610
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.679
their program. The great it's their
program, But then there are these other

611
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:25.119
entities around that somehow are supportive or
play some sort of raw. Yeah,

612
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.440
it seems to be that way,
and don't know why that is. I

613
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.960
know that many abductees have seen different
types of beings. On board the ship,

614
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:39.119
just like Travis Walton, did you
know when he saw humanoid looking beings

615
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:44.559
that thought that they were there to
help him get off the ship. He

616
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.679
said, I thought they were here
to help me escape and get off here,

617
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:52.239
But no they weren't. They were
kind of like in cohoots with these

618
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:59.599
smaller entities. So they all seem
to be sharing some kind of space with

619
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:07.119
each other, you know, and
supporting of what is going on. So

620
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.400
with that, have you ran across
or all of your stories abduction stories?

621
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:16.119
Are there also encounters that didn't have
anything to do with an abduction or at

622
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:23.679
least any sort of medical examination.
They all seem to be involved with that

623
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:29.480
procedure In all honesty, there's only
one in the case in the book,

624
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:37.320
which is the case of Chris.
She does not remember being on a table

625
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:42.400
of any kind having any experiments done
to her, but she does remember,

626
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:47.280
again, just like Dina, being
taken to an incubatorium, she was met

627
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:54.559
by a very very tall female et
that was bald actually and had beautiful blue

628
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.480
eyes, who took her through the
ship. She said that she went through

629
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:07.639
thetual console room where they flew the
ship. They operated the crat she saw

630
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:12.159
a huge window that was kind of
like a beveled window where you could see

631
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:17.800
out in space, stars upon stars
upon stars. She went through there and

632
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:22.800
through kind of like the waiting area
where she was initially taken through to the

633
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:28.920
back end of that where there was
the incubatorium. And this female et had

634
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:35.440
opened up a basket again from a
wall with ambient lighting and placed this baby

635
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.800
in her arms, in Chris's arms, and after again to like, just

636
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.079
like Dina, you know, to
hold the baby, to love it,

637
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.800
to nurture it. And at this
point she said that the baby just looked

638
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:52.400
so cute to her. It raised
its tiny hand and held on to her

639
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.920
little finger, and she said,
you know, she got quite emotional about

640
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:04.440
that situation. But it's very interesting. It's like I said, you know,

641
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.159
most of those cases out of the
nine of all had experiments of some

642
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:15.239
kind. Apart from Chris, hmm, yeah, very weird. Now a

643
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:20.400
couple of other kind of that.
It's already a French subject. But I

644
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:24.159
mean, now it's going to say
some of the other I guess theories around

645
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:30.920
what's happening. Of course, some
people have mentioned that the field there has

646
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:37.880
been military involvement with their abduction experiences, had or have any of these people

647
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:45.840
that you talked to ran across anything
like that. Chris had an experience where

648
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:51.480
see Chris is a very talented lady, where she's able to meditate, leave

649
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:59.679
her body and travel astroly. And
she feels that in one of her encounters,

650
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:05.039
she was actually taken to Area fifty
one. She described the runway,

651
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.920
she described the buildings, and she
said she wanted to put it out there

652
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:15.480
because she wanted to find out if
anyone else had had these experiences and seen

653
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.599
what she had seen there. She
did remember that while she was out at

654
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:28.159
Area fifty one that she was being
approached by these jeeps and at first she

655
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:35.639
thought that she was being approached with
what she called like small She didn't know

656
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.000
they were grays. She didn't I
forget the term that she actually called them,

657
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.320
but she didn't think they were grays
at first, But as they got

658
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:49.239
closer and closer, she realized that, oh my gosh, these are grays,

659
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.480
and so her jeep a kind of
not her jeep. I think she

660
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.800
was traveling in a vehicle actually at
the time had turned over in a ravine

661
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:04.320
and as she was hiding behind this
vehicle that she was in. She noticed

662
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:09.519
these jeeps coming towards her with these
small people and was hiding behind the vehicle,

663
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:17.280
and suddenly the Nordic One of these
Nordic beings appeared to help her escape

664
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:23.480
and taken to somewhere which she thought
was a cave, and he's showing her

665
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:30.719
all of these different kinds of symbols
and writings on the cave wall. So

666
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.119
that's interesting. I mean, I
don't know if there was any military involvement

667
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:42.519
with an abduction with her especially,
but she never mentioned it, but I

668
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:47.039
just thought it was very odd how
she had ended up in Area fifty one.

669
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:52.519
Yeah, it's an interesting And this
whole event took place out of body,

670
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:58.559
yes, apparently, so she was
in some kind of meditative state.

671
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:04.519
She had a friend in Australia,
I think it is not Australia, Canada,

672
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:09.960
and they decided to actually do some
kind of an experiment together with the

673
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:16.320
group in Canada and with Chris here
in Las Vegas, and it was dealing

674
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:23.039
with ashtle travel and Chris decided that
her focus and a mission of astral traveling

675
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:29.039
was going to actually be at the
location of Area fifty one, and she

676
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:34.440
said that once she was in a
meditative state and experienced being in the zone

677
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.280
of astoral traveling, she found herself
driving a jeep that was losing control,

678
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:44.159
and as she drove through a ravine, within moments, the vehicle ended up

679
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.039
turning on its side, throwing Chris
out of it. Immediately, she said

680
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:51.480
she felt the need to hide,
as coming up a long stretch of road

681
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:57.679
was an army of very small men
in many many jeeps and heading from what

682
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.440
appeared to be the super secret of
Area fifty one. So at a distance,

683
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.480
she said, she thought the men
and that's the word I was looking

684
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.559
for. She thought the men were
to be Peruvians. That's the words she

685
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:15.320
used, Peruvians, as they were
fairly dark skinned and she thought to be

686
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.400
Indian looking, But as they came
closer, she realized that no, they

687
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:27.440
were in fact gray beings. Yeah, interesting story now with oh, I

688
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.239
asked my tree and thought I had
a great question. But then you brought

689
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:36.880
up another point, which is just
a variety. I mean, there are

690
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.519
a lot of these into the inter
or at least people having these with these

691
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.880
sort of stories, and you've probably
ran across dozens of them. How did

692
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:50.599
you choose this nine in particular,
I had actually I did not know of

693
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.360
anyone out here in Las Vegas,
for example, So what I did I

694
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:59.639
contacted a lady named Misha Johnson here
of Las Vegas. She has an abduction

695
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.639
Sport Experiences support group, and I
told her that I was, you know,

696
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.559
I was looking for abductees to write
about in my When You book.

697
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:15.400
So she invited me along to the
group and I met with her members and

698
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:21.239
got to listen to some of the
encounters, and Dina's encounter and Chris's encounter

699
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:25.280
particularly stood out, and I thought
they would be really great for the book.

700
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:30.800
So that's why I chose those two
in particular. I had also met

701
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:37.320
Ron from Utah at Mischa Johnson's group, and he has a right cracking story,

702
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:39.880
you know, so he just had
to be in the book because of

703
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:47.599
his experience. And then the others
were people who doctor Roger Lear had put

704
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:53.800
my way because he'd removed their implants. So that's how I came up with

705
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:59.159
the with the nine. And they're
great, great stories. I wanted to

706
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:04.199
put more in the book actually,
but it's taken twelve months to write this

707
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.800
and I wanted to, you know, get it out there and to move

708
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:13.440
on to other things. So I
just chose nine for the book. Yeah,

709
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:15.440
that's great. I mean that's a
lot. I'm sure there's a lot

710
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:21.400
to read with these nine stories because
there are so many stories you could write

711
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.440
forever. Oh absolutely absolutely. But
you know, I would have liked more,

712
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:29.280
But like I said, I just
wanted to try and get to the

713
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.599
point after twelve months, so I
really need to wrap this up now and

714
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:36.920
get the book out there. So
do you have a feeling in your experience

715
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:44.119
and dealing with this for a few
decades now that there I kind of have

716
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:47.760
this feeling, but it's difficult to
qualify or to quantify that. It seems

717
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:52.679
in the nineties especially, was that
there were a lot of affections happening,

718
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:55.039
and they seem to have petered off
as much. Do you believe that or

719
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:59.800
do you think you know, it's
been going as strong as it ever has.

720
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.880
I think it's been going as strong
as it ever has, to be

721
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:09.519
honest with you, alham I,
you know, when I go to conferences

722
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:15.079
or things that people send me via
email, you know, it just proves

723
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:20.239
to me that this is ongoing and
we don't know when this project of theirs

724
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:26.440
is going to come to completion.
They had told a couple of addupties that

725
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:29.480
yes, it will come to completion. But again with these beings, they're

726
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:33.400
so secretive they never give a timeline. Are they being deceitful? Are they

727
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:39.039
just telling us that we don't know? I had gone to as I mentioned,

728
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:43.840
I've spoken at the conference in May
in Texas, Paul Harris's conference,

729
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.679
and I was talking about implants in
my talk, and at the end of

730
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.719
it, I had a young lady
that came up to me and she says,

731
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.480
can I talk with you for a
moment? And I said sure.

732
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.239
She says, I think I have
one of those implants that you're talking about.

733
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:00.679
I said really, she said yeah, I do. I said,

734
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:02.880
well, what makes you think that? Why do you think that? She

735
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:06.559
says, well, I have it
on X ray. So I thought,

736
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:12.000
hmm, okay, let's delve into
this a little bit further. So she

737
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:18.679
said she had gone to have a
mammogram, a regular mammogram, and they'd

738
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:24.840
seen something quite odd, so they
sent her to a specialist. So she

739
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.519
went to see the specialist and went
through a whole numerous different tests to see

740
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:33.480
what this. You know, abnormality
was So the doctor says to her,

741
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.719
at the end of all of the
testing, when you get dressed, please

742
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.079
come and see me in my office
because I want to talk to you for

743
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.519
a moment. So she went into
his office and he raised the question.

744
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:46.719
He said, I just want to
ask you. Have you ever been shot?

745
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.880
And she said shot? She said
no, What makes you think that?

746
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.079
He said, well, have you
ever been shot, like even just

747
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.679
book writing? She says no,
never, never been shot. He says,

748
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:05.599
well, you have a piece of
metal in your left breast and this

749
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:11.519
is triangular in shape. And what
makes it even more odd is that you

750
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.639
have no scarification to this thing as
to how it got in there. And

751
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:21.079
he says then turns to her,
Alejandro, and get this, you know,

752
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:24.639
he says to her, this is
a doctor saying this. You're not

753
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:29.119
one of these people who has an
alien implant, are you? So I

754
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:33.519
was blown away. I was totally
blown away by the story. So I

755
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.119
asked her what she wanted to do. Did she wanted to remove it?

756
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.760
She says, well, the doctor
says, if you want this thing removed,

757
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.320
I can remove it. And she
didn't go along with that, and

758
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.559
I said, well, why don't
we get you some help. First of

759
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.840
all, why don't we try and
find a regression therapist for you, so

760
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:54.159
that you can find out who put
this in here, why they put it

761
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:58.079
in there, if we can get
to know why, usually we don't know

762
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:02.599
why, and take it from there. So she agreed that that was the

763
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:09.920
best scenario to go down. So
I managed to locate a regression therapist for

764
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:14.800
her, and she's going through that
scenario before she decided what she would like

765
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.000
to do. But I have the
x ray. She sent me the x

766
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:24.039
ray and sure enough, there is
the triangle piece of metal in her left

767
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.840
breast. Now did she feel this
doctor was just kind of being silly or

768
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:33.000
did he seem to be actually interested
in the phenomena. No, he seemed

769
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:38.599
to be interested in the phenomena.
The thing is, later she told me,

770
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:42.679
like a week later, the doctor
surgery had completely gone and vanished.

771
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:48.119
Oh he was gone gone. Oh
wow, absolutely yes, couldn't even couldn't

772
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.559
even go back and follow anything up
with this man because the surgery was completely

773
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:57.000
gone. So that's one of the
unique things about doctor Lear is that he

774
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:02.599
is qualified, He's done this surgery, and there aren't a lot of doctors

775
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:09.440
who are willing to invest time or
effort in this area. M Yeah,

776
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:14.559
Roger Lear is a pioneer in this
whole thing, and as far as I'm

777
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:18.239
aware, the only person doing this. I had spoken to her about doctor

778
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:23.279
Lear and I said that, you
know, if she wanted to have it

779
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:29.239
removed, we could probably approach doctor
Lear, who would bring in a surgeon

780
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.399
to assist with the removal of that
because doctor Lee is a pedietist, so

781
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:38.720
I don't think it could actually remove
anything from the breast area, but would

782
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:45.159
assist most likely with it. So
we'll see how this develops and where this

783
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:51.239
goes. But out of all of
the cases I've ever heard of, not

784
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:55.439
only for the book, but over
twenty years or so of my research,

785
01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:00.479
I have never come across anybody that's
had an implant in their breast. This

786
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.079
is the first of its kind to
me. It's interesting and maybe if we

787
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:10.600
could talk your thoughts on the future
of this research, because I mean,

788
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.479
these stories have been coming for a
while, and luckily then you know,

789
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:18.720
doctor Lear did come across and begin
removing these things, even though he was

790
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:25.119
skeptical at first. Do you think
we'll learn more or do you think this

791
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:31.399
will stay enigmatic and forever. Well, that's a really good question, and

792
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:38.239
unfortunately I don't have an answer to
that. I don't know where this is

793
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:44.319
going to go. I don't know
how intense and how far beyond this project

794
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:49.680
is that they are dealing with that
they're trying to you know, complete,

795
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:55.880
if they are trying to complete it, I don't know. I'm kind of

796
01:09:55.880 --> 01:10:00.520
of the same kind of mind as
Dr David Jacobs, to be honest with

797
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.800
you. You know, when he
talks about that there's there's definite there's a

798
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:10.600
definite beginning and a middle to this
and probably at some point an end to

799
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:15.159
this alien agenda, he's of the
opinion, and I think I have to

800
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:19.199
agree that after you know, he's
shypnotically regressed all these hundreds upon hundreds of

801
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:27.039
people and through what he's uncovered during
those regressions, that the results suggests that

802
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:32.600
there could be an end to this
being's project, which concludes them infiltrating in

803
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:42.399
our society alien human hybrids from their
program. And he talks about, you

804
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:46.439
know, he's not actually hopeful of
what that outcome would be, the future

805
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:51.720
would be for our planet st He
believes that there would be no other possible

806
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:56.560
reason for aliens to create, you
know, create such a hybrid race if

807
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.880
in fact they were not about to
see them here to coexist human kind.

808
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.680
And I have to wonder the same
thing, Alejandro. I have to speculate

809
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:10.720
that. I mean, are there
not already hybrids among us? Apparently people

810
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:15.319
have seen hybrids in Goswan. The
remote viewer had, you know, met

811
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:21.199
with a hybrid or an avatar in
a grocery in a supermarket in the middle

812
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:28.880
of California. And there's but many
others who have seen hybrids. So maybe

813
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:34.359
they are preparing ut for that to
happen. You know, the ultimate intention

814
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:43.279
of these alien beings is to to
see them here amongst us. So who

815
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:49.880
knows, you know, it's just
a fascinating and you know phenomena. Yeah,

816
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:54.079
so difficult, and it's difficult to
say, I think when that beginning

817
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.560
is who knows how far it goes
back, if not thousands of years,

818
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:04.560
if not to the beginning of mankind? Who knows? Yeah, yeah,

819
01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:10.800
I mean, there's there's numerous questions
to be raised regarding it, and it's

820
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:15.640
a challenging phenomena. And the more
questions that we seem to raise, the

821
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.880
more they do seem to outweigh the
answers. I think there's probably a couple

822
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.079
of main questions to ask you,
you know, is the phenomena then solely

823
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:30.439
to do with perhaps the preservation of
life here on earth? And will this

824
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:36.239
alien breeding program be of any benefit
to us as a civilization? Well,

825
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:43.159
yeah, no doubt that we aren't
the best stewards of the planner that this

826
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:48.279
was, so who knows. And
it's also because it seems as though you

827
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:54.399
would feel, because of your experience
in particular, that there are other entities

828
01:12:54.439 --> 01:13:00.079
out there with more positive agendas.
For sure, they're absolutely is you know,

829
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.800
and more often than not, you
know, the whole thing religious thing

830
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.239
of well, where does God play
in all of this, with all of

831
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:10.520
these races and these different people,
Well, of course there can only be

832
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:15.039
only one, you know, And
as it is said and stayed in the

833
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:18.000
Bible. In my father's house,
there are many mansions. That's what that's

834
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:25.800
implying, surely that we are not
the only people here that he would see.

835
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.680
There are many races that we know
nothing about. That it's a vast

836
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:35.680
universe out there, and you know, it's claimed that these these gray entities

837
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:42.079
are coming from Zeta Reticuli, which
is thirty nine light years according to Stanton

838
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.439
Freeman. It's just down the street. It's not that far. So who

839
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:50.159
knows how many life forms there are
out there? There has to be,

840
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:55.840
you know, many, many,
many that we've will never probably encounter in

841
01:13:55.840 --> 01:14:00.000
our lifetime, but are here for
sure, some of them visiting our planet.

842
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.920
We're in an abundance of life.
So why would you not come here

843
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:10.720
if you have a project? Did
she want to fulfill? Yeah? Interesting,

844
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:14.720
So in your book you've got a
lot of these beautiful illustrations also,

845
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:18.840
and they're done by Christine Dennett.
And she did these, I take it

846
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:26.359
from people describing to her their experiences
she did. Indeed, she's a phenomenal

847
01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:31.520
artist. Somehow she's able to tune
into these people, and I'm sure she

848
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:34.039
has a psychic ability of some kind
because she's able to do it with such

849
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:41.319
accuracy and portray in her drawings of
what these beings actually look like. So

850
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.760
I was honored that she was able
to do that for the book. And

851
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:51.199
we have about five pieces of artwork
in here of these different beings that people

852
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:56.640
are encountering. Yeah, I'm looking
at them at the website here, and

853
01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:00.479
they're great pictures and the cover is
pretty strike and I take it that that

854
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:06.319
is also taken from a firsthand experience. It is indeed. Yeah, this

855
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:13.359
was the case I actually investigated in
England. And she's named Roxanne in the

856
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.560
book. I've changed her name for
obvious reasons. But this was taken from

857
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:23.039
a scene that she drew for me
of what had happened of her and being

858
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:29.359
found as an abductee on a table
and being presented by a hybrid child and

859
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:34.520
was asked to hold this hybrid child
because this was her child. And Roxanne

860
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:38.880
got up off that table and put
her hands in front of her and said,

861
01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.960
no, I cannot hold this child. She said it was the most

862
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:47.960
creepiest, weirdiest looking child ever and
had something to do with them. This

863
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:54.520
was not by far human child.
This had something to do with their genetics.

864
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.000
Would not hold it, didn't want
to be a part of it.

865
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.279
She actually had an alien implant in
her jaw, by the way, that

866
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:05.359
was shown on X ray. And
I'd said to her at the time,

867
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.439
you know, well, would you
like to have this removed? And she

868
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:10.800
said yes, she would. I
said, well, let me talk with

869
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.720
my dentists. And see if we
can get this removed. But on the

870
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.800
understanding that once the object is removed
that it would stay in my possession.

871
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:23.520
She agreed to it, and of
course as we got closer to getting this

872
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.800
finalized, she backed out. She
said she didn't want to do it.

873
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.159
She felt she should leave it in
there. And this is the same thing

874
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:35.079
that we get over and over and
over and over with these abductees, that

875
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:41.439
some kind of mind control I'm guessing
from these beings that are telling them,

876
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.680
no, you have to leave that
in there. You can't remove it.

877
01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:48.279
So I think to this day she
must probably still have it in there,

878
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:55.640
and do her experiences continue that you
know of. I haven't been in contact

879
01:16:55.680 --> 01:17:00.199
with her for a very long time, so I don't know. Chances are

880
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:04.640
they most likely are because her mother
also had encounters. Again, we've got

881
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:09.399
this lineage thing going on. Although
her mother didn't want to talk about it

882
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:15.319
too much at the time. It
was purely you know, rock fans encounters

883
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:18.319
that she wanted to talk to me
about. So she said this thing and

884
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:24.640
her jaw would buzz every time they
were getting closer and an encounter would happen.

885
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:29.279
But she would hear it in her
ear and her dog, a pet

886
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:33.000
dog would goglistic. It would run
around the circles, run up and down

887
01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:38.319
the house, just acting really wild. Couldn't control the dog, and this

888
01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:42.760
would go on for about an hour. So I, like I said,

889
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:46.239
I don't know, maybe her encounters
are still ongoing. Maybe the dog has

890
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:51.199
an implant. Who knows. Maybe, So I mean this is again,

891
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:56.640
I mean, how do we know
how far this this thing goes? It's

892
01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:01.279
in plant. It's often I think
interesting you that people. I mean,

893
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:05.119
this is a very traumatic experience.
Of course, if these beings are coming

894
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:09.800
and taking people out of their bed, it's there's just so many interesting and

895
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.960
weird things about it. Of course, you know, some people seem to

896
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.319
be taken out of neighborhoods where you
know, there's a bunch of people there,

897
01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:24.279
but somehow they're taken without being noticed. And also people seem they have

898
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:29.439
to move on with their life,
of course, but they seem able to

899
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:35.479
cope with something that to an outside
person would be something that might be inculpable.

900
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:42.119
Well like, yeah, I think
some do. Some have a real

901
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.840
issue was coping with it because it's
it's and it was the same for rock

902
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.000
Sand's case. You know. I
mean, she was a young twenty year

903
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:53.560
old and they're the things that happened
to her. People would say, well,

904
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.560
you know this is this is typical
the twenty year old. You know,

905
01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:00.319
if she can't hold a job down, she's not she's in an out

906
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:06.800
of relationships. But she termed that
happening to her because of her encounters.

907
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:13.800
She lost perspective on what was reality. And I think this is the case

908
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:17.880
with a lot of people. They
have a hard time dealing with this and

909
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.159
who can you go to to talk
to about it? You know, they

910
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:26.960
have to find local groups that support
groups like Mischa Johnson's group here in Las

911
01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:33.640
Vegas. Got to find understanding people
who can openly share things with and be

912
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:42.239
exceptional listeners. Some people do cope. I mean, I've coped with my

913
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:47.520
encounters. Fine, I don't have
an issue with it, but there are

914
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:51.560
many out there who don't, and
this is very traumatic for them. You

915
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:56.920
know, you mentioned that abductees are
taken from the most strangest places. Yeah,

916
01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:01.560
in England, there was one guy
that was taken from one house after

917
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:10.159
going to see a Davy Bowie concert
and placed in someone's different house. I

918
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:12.840
mean, how does that happen.
I mean, it seems that these people

919
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:18.359
make the stakes. You know.
Bud Hopkins and John mc had a conversation

920
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:23.880
about this very thing a number of
years ago, where Bud talks about his

921
01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:30.640
clients. Two of his clients were
abducted and placed back in each other's vehicle,

922
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.960
not in their own vehicle, and
as they're driving down the highway,

923
01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:41.079
they realize that they're in each other's
vehicle. Well, the beings must have

924
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:45.119
picked up on this, re abducted
them and then placed them back in the

925
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:53.560
right vehicle. Really, yes,
I mean that is so bizarre, very

926
01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:57.800
bizarre. Staff So they make the
stakes? Why do they make the stakes?

927
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:02.079
You know? They apparently, according
to a neurologist guy that I'd spoken

928
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:06.560
to a few years ago, had
a couple of high ranking Area fifty one

929
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:14.359
people seeing him as his clients,
and he said, one guy opened up

930
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:17.039
about this whole thing and talked about
the fact that we're working with them out

931
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:20.520
there at Area fifty one. They
have an IQ of three hundred, They

932
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:24.960
have an IQ of three hundred,
but they're placing people back in the wrong

933
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:31.000
vehicle. How does that happen?
And this neurology shared this information with you

934
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:35.239
shared this information. Yeah, because
at the time my first book was coming

935
01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:40.439
out, Haunted Las Vegas, and
we got talking about that, and of

936
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:45.600
course one subject led to another,
and of course my favorite subject is extraterrestrials

937
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:49.399
alien encounters, and we got talking
about that and he openly shared it.

938
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:55.600
He said that this guy his wife
was terminally in wolf cancer and wanted to

939
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:59.920
quit what he was involved with so
he could spend time and look after her.

940
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.039
She hadn't got long to live and
he had, you know, for

941
01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:06.199
what he was involved without there at
Harry fifty one, they wouldn't let him

942
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:09.800
do it, he said. So
I'm just going to speak and openly talk

943
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.359
about it as it is. He
said, I don't give a down.

944
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.239
You know what they say to me. They can kill me, shoot me

945
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:19.159
whatever they want to do. Well, we are working categorically with four foot

946
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:27.439
tall gray entities out there at Area
fifty one underground and we are back engineering

947
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:32.479
craft and that these beings have an
IQ of three hundred. And that's what

948
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.680
he shared. Wow, it was
a neurologist able to or willing to get

949
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:42.079
you in touch with this person.
Well, we didn't go that far.

950
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.199
I doubt whether he would have you
know, that would have actually been possible,

951
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:48.720
and you know how it is.
But you know, I can,

952
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.319
I know who he is. I
could perhaps, you know, try and

953
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:55.800
follow up it to a later stage
with him. Yeah, especially if someone's

954
01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.159
willing to open up. And you
would think a lot of those Area fifty

955
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:02.880
one workers work right there in Las
Vegas, right, Oh. Absolutely.

956
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:09.039
And I had interviewed actually a cleaner
at one of the test sites. I

957
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:11.560
don't think she was actually at Area
fifty one. She was at a different

958
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:15.439
test site, and she did not
want to give her name. She didn't

959
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:20.439
really want to come forward. I
had to coax her a little bit through

960
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:26.079
her daughter to answer I think thirteen
questions that I had for her at the

961
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:29.800
time, and I'd placed them on
my website so that people could read it.

962
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:33.199
But she talked about very openly how
cleaning this facility. One day,

963
01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:39.479
she was in one of the rooms
and there was a binder on top of

964
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:44.319
one of the worktops work services,
and she accidentally knocked it onto the floor

965
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:49.640
and out fell from this binder ID
tags, she said. And as I

966
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:53.840
bent down to pick up the ID
tags that had fallen from the binder,

967
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:59.640
I noticed that they were actually alien
beings. There were photographs of alien beings

968
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:04.039
on the ID tags with their own
number, she said. So I came

969
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:08.840
to the conclusion, Oh my god, they're out here working with us,

970
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:14.840
so she said. She quickly scooped
up the ID tags, she put them

971
01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:16.840
into the binder, and she put
the binder back on top of the worktop

972
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:21.840
like nothing had happened. She says, but these were the typical great type

973
01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:27.439
beings that we are seeing. You
know, we're shown on TV TV programs,

974
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:31.159
TV documentaries, et cetera. And
they even get issued security badgers.

975
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:35.800
Huh, it appears. So she
said that each one had a photograph and

976
01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:42.359
underneath it was a number. Well, there are some interesting things going on

977
01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:46.880
in the deserts around you there.
Huh. They're are for sure, And

978
01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:51.640
I don't know if it's you know, if it's going to stay, you

979
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:55.920
know, it's going to have quiet
moments, or whether this is a repeated

980
01:24:55.960 --> 01:25:00.000
thing. I mean, I've had
sightings out here, and it'll be nice

981
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:04.119
if more and more people came forward
to open up about the subject. And

982
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:09.640
so people can go to Tracy Austin
dot com to get your book. They

983
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:14.479
can go to Let's Talk Paranormals dot
com. Okay, let's talk paranormal dot

984
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:17.920
com. Yeah, they can do
that. They can actually get it directly

985
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:23.039
from my publisher, who is Shiffer. Okay, they go on Amazon dot

986
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.319
com, or they could go to
a local bookstore. It's in Barns and

987
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:30.600
Noble as well, so most bookstores
I think are carrying it at this time.

988
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:33.680
All right, great, So what's
next for you? Oh? What's

989
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:39.319
next? Boy? I am trying
definitely to get my TV show back up

990
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:43.119
and running, getting off the ground
in some way, shape or form.

991
01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:48.279
So's it's in its very very early
stages. It's trying to make that happen.

992
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:51.279
So don't want to say too much
about it at the moment, you

993
01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:55.159
know, when I try and make
its tough, power and all that kind

994
01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:59.039
of thing, until it's you know, something has come come forward and into

995
01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:02.920
fruition. So that's the plan I'm
moving on right now. Okay, great,

996
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:08.000
So people go to Let's Talk Paranormal
dot com, get the book,

997
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:11.720
and thank you so much for being
on the show again. Thank you,

998
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:15.439
Alejandra, Thank you for having me
back. It was a great pleasure to

999
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:23.960
be here talking with you today.
Oh excuse me, ah, right,

1000
01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:27.960
that was a lot of fun.
Tracy is one cool chick man, So

1001
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:34.680
go check out her book. It
sounds very interesting, and of course don't

1002
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:41.279
forget in her hometown, her current
hometown of Las Vegas. Tomorrow night,

1003
01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:48.079
you've got US Air Force Blue Book
Secrets of Theield so and actually it says

1004
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:54.119
Area fifty one secrets for real,
mind, none of those guys actually worked

1005
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:59.479
at Area fifty one. That's okay
because oh no, it's military UFO file

1006
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:05.680
secrets, so that's more accurate.
But so that's gonna be a really interesting,

1007
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:10.920
very interesting show. So you guys
got to check that out. So

1008
01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:14.279
book your flight to the Last Vegas
and then, like she said, check

1009
01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:19.159
out Let's Paranormal Let's Talk paranormal dot
com to see Tracy's book and to also

1010
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:26.479
she did actually a cable show.
It was on community television but very well

1011
01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.079
produced for many years, and you
can go to her site and watch those

1012
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:35.760
videos. She did some radio shows
and like she said, oh when I

1013
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:40.359
should mention, a lot of that
was in La But now she's in Las

1014
01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:43.880
Vegas and hopefully she will get her
show running again because it was really interesting.

1015
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:47.920
She's got some great interviews there.
Anyway, Thank you so much for

1016
01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:55.199
joining me once again on UFO Think
Tank Radio. As you know, I

1017
01:27:55.279 --> 01:28:00.239
adore each and every one of you
and am so ex ecstatic to spend this

1018
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:08.439
time with you. Every week,
you guys rock the kaz Bah, Take

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it easy and we'll talk to you
next week. Are you a smooth at

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