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You're listening to KFI AM six forty
on demand KF I AM six forty.

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You have doctor Wendy Walsh with you. This is the Doctor Wendy Wells Show

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and this is my drive by Makeshift
relationship Advice. If you like to call

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in, the number is one eight
hundred five to zero one KFI. That's

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one eight hundred five to zero,
one five three four. Okay, Producer

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Kayla, who do we have?
We have y L with the question yea

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L hi ya L. Hey,
Wendy cl we're friends like we're friends because

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I hired you from my food alogy
walk years ago. I remember you have

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children with severe food allergies. Yes, and I'm terrifying. I just signed

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my divorce papers. So I need
you to tell our people, our audience,

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your audience, what is the type
of therapy? Because I failed my

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ex husband and I went to marriage
non marriage therapy, and I thought it

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was going to be something similar to
what I had experienced before. A bit

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after twenty seven year marriage, I
want you to tell me what is the

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type of therapy that you go through
when you're meeting to have the type of

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therapy where you go together and you
go apart, but you go together and

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you get the tools, so you
go apart, right, So let me

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explain the types of therapy. Her
question for those who are watching on Instagram

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is just going through a divorce.
She's wondering what is the kind of therapy

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where people go as a couple but
then separately. So here's the thing about

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couple's therapists. Their patient is the
relationship. Their patient is not either of

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the individuals. So a couple's therapist
probably shouldn't be seeing any partner. And

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they're also taught not to hold secrets, right because one'll call and go,

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you know, I just don't bring
it up, but I am. I

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do have a mistress on the side, and I got to figure out what

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I should do. You need to
go. So I think two people individuals

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need to have their own separate therapists
so they can grow. There was a

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word that you said, Yaelle,
that bothered me, and it was the

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word failed. I hate that word
because you know, relationships, when till

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death do us part was invented,
death was pretty imminent, and I would

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say that any marriage that lasted twenty
seven years was a huge success. You

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learn something about yourself, You outgrew
it for different reasons. But there was

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a time when there was love and
there was a time where this relationship was

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very much needed in both of your
lives. So we have this idea that

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if relationships don't last until the very
last breath of our life, that somehow

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they've failed. And I would say
that you've you're coming out of a successful

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relationship. You're in the uncomfortable awakening
of new needs and new understanding for yourself.

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You mentioned that you're an alanon,
so you know you're learning how you

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might have participated in some patterns that
may have been I don't know, but

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may have been unhealthy for you.
And this is just an awakening, This

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is just a truth telling that's happening, and then you get to go and

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take care of yourself and find a
healthy relationship. But as far as couple's

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therapy go, I think that couples
I think all kinds of whether it's cognitive

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behavioral, whether it's psychoanalytic that,
or whether it's just a spiritual counsel.

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I mean, just going in there
and being vulnerable and honest about your feelings.

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The third party there calming you down
is good. However, individuals if

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they want to grow, might want
to consider also having their own therapist.

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I hope that answered your question.
I hope I did. But thank you

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for all the kind things you said. Yeah, very nice of you.

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Oh okay, Producer Kayla, who
do we have next to half? Perceeds

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with the question percease? Hi?
Perceeds? Hi, Doctor Randy, what's

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your question? Have a coouestion?
I first of all, thank you so

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much for all this information you give
it to us. I found out what

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is my attachment and right now,
twelve weeks I'm doing therapy for that.

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Oh good. I dating. I'm
dating a guy. He's very mentally Machel.

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He's a very nice man with back, full key carrying. But five

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weeks dating we went out just two
times. But we're going out for some

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stuff, like he bought a new
house. He told me to get all

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furniture, picky, every the color
for the house. Everything we're doing like

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a going gem, going to watch
the sun seat. But I think he's

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stingchy. He doesn't want to spend
money, and I think that's what it

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is. You think he's stingy.
How much did he spend on furniture for

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his house? Did he spend much
or was he saying that's too expensive?

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If you pointed to something, it
was like middle not too cheap, not

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too expensive like I did for my
furniture, way more than he right,

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Well, you know we all have
a different psychology. Well, first of

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all, what's your question? Could
you sum it down to one question?

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I want to see it? Should
I continue? Like the way I read,

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I'm a Persian girl, so always
I date a Persian man. This

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is the first time I'm dating someone
is not from my country Persian man.

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They're spending money. They take you
out, you never pay for it any

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day. You know all the ways
they take it off everything. But this

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is the first time I'm dating someone
like a never going out like well,

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that's the that's the you know less
about the psychology of money. My red

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flag goes where you've been seeing each
other five weeks and you've only gone out

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two times. So how have you
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You're talking on the phone regularly?
Are you texting regularly? We're talking on

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We're talking on the phone, like
Saturday morning, we're going just for a

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walk. He asked me, do
you want to go for a walk?

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Do you want to go for four. It feels like he's not courting you.

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He's not trying to impress you,
right, I don't think because he

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cooked for me three times with where
he stept up very nice. Oh so

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he cooked for you three times,
but you've only took you out to dinner

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twice. Okay, so you've seen
each other more, gotcha? Yeah,

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we think they've rather luck three times
four times? So my question is are

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you attracted to him? Is he
sexy to you? Yes, he's a

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very nice man. He's a very
nice man. And then I but I

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don't know. He's bothering me,
kind of bothering me? Why he not

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taking me out? Well, how
I would like Let me reframe it for

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you rather than you wondering and why
why is he not spending money on you?

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Why is he not courting you in
a big way? He just wants

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to go for walks and cook for
you, et cetera. Instead, ask

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yourself, what boundary do I have
and what do I accept? In other

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words, you may say to yourself, you know what, I don't care.

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This guy is so good looking,
and he seems so nice in mature

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and he's so interested in me.
I will put up with a different financial

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because we're really talking about gender roles
here, right, there's a downside to

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being with a guy culturally who has
very traditional gender roles in his head,

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because you may not want those gender
roles. So you might want to say

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to yourself, well, you know, I'm going to put that aside because

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there are all these other things that
are so great, or you may say

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to yourself, you know, it's
a deal breaker for me. This is

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not the way I was raised and
this is something in my culture that is

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important to me. And so then
I would say, don't lead him on.

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If your question is to try to
understand, like why is he doing

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this and how can I change him, that's the wrong way to deal with

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it. Just figure out who you
are and what you want. That's far

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more important than understanding why he's doing
it. You understand. Does that make

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sense anyway? Thank you so much
for calling. I appreciate it. All

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right. Let me go to social
media real quick because there are a bunch

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of very interesting questions that are coming
in and someone on my Instagram just now

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posted the same question, which is
would well the question on that was sent

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in as DM earlier was would you
date someone who's the miss of divorce.

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Someone else said that they met an
old flame, and that old flame is

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in the middle of divorce. It
is seeing them a lot, but they

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feel a little uncomfortable, and I'm
like, yeah, you should because you're

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the rebound person. So here's the
thing. It gets messy because when people

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are going through a divorce, here's
what they need. They need a new

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attachment figure to help them get it
through. They need a shoulder to lean

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on, they need somebody to talk
to about it. They need a best

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friend and a lover or whatever to
get their mojo back. But this may

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not be the same person who's hunting
for a long term relationship later. In

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other words, when they're in the
middle of a divorce, they're just treading

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water wanting to grab onto any kind
of life ring, and you might just

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be the life ring at that moment. So I would say, if I

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met somebody who was in the middle
of divorce, is you know I wouldn't

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like to be known as the other
woman in any way. So I would

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say to them, look, we
can be friends, but we're gonna have

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to have boundaries until your divorce is
c because the other thing is There are

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also these people in the middle of
divorces that never really finish it because they're

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getting everything they need from you.
There's that, right, They're kind of

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like, well, you know,
if I actually complete that divorce, then

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I'm gonna lose half my fortune.
So this person is gonna sleep with me

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anyway, so why not? Right, So I would say that, go

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cautiously. If someone's in the middle
of divorce, set up very clear boundaries.

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I would not have sex with them. You're gonna end up in somebody's

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divorce papers. They're gonna call in
adultery. Honestly, don't have sex with

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somebody who's in the middle of divorce. Just you know, if you want

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to be their social support, if
you want to be there arm pieced events

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they're social person and their emotional support, fine, do that, but have

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boundaries and be careful, be very
careful, because what they want in the

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short term might not be what they're
looking for in the long term. That's

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what I'm gonna say, All right, do we have time for one more?

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Is there time? No? We
have to go to break? All

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right? When we can back?
Ill caninue to take your calls and go

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to social media the number is one
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That's one eight hundred five two zero
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AM six forty. You have Doctor
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Doctor Wendy Wall Show. My drive
by makeshift relationship advice continues. There are

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so many dms on my social I
know you guys are shy, so you

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just type it in, so let
me get to them right now. Dear

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doctor Wendy, I'm looking for advice
here. I'm currently dating a guy long

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distance and I really like him and
how he treats me, though we haven't

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met in person yet. I'm gonna
pause right there just to say that you're

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not in a relationship. If you've
never met somebody, it is a fantasy

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in your head. I know you're
like, yeah, but they text every

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day, and you know what,
you're in love with each other's projections.

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That's what a psychologist would say if
you go to a therapist that you're in

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love with your own projections. You've
projected on them who you think they are.

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It's like reading a horoscope. You
know, you can hand anybody any

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horoscope and they go, yeah,
yeah, that's me right. So,

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however they behave you have a kind
of confirmation bias in your brain when you're

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dating somebody long distance, texting,
relationship, whatever, and so you're bias

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only looking for things that support your
idea of your fantasy of him. And

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then this person goes on to say, I feel comfortable with him to the

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point I'm considering dropping my friend with
benefits, Like I'm starting to get annoyed

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whenever I talk to my friend with
benefits. I would like to know your

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take on this and any advice you
may have. Well, a friend with

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benefits is also not a secure,
safe, trusting relationship. The fact that

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it's a friend with benefits means that
they're probably friends with other people with benefits,

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and so you don't have a sense
of security or commitment. If that's

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what you're looking for. Depends what
you're looking for, right. I think

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that your long distance person who you've
never met is giving you the emotional stuff

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that you're not getting from your hookup
friend, your friend with benefits, and

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so you've compartmentalized two sides of a
relationship. My advice get rid of the

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friends with benefits. I'm just talking
as a girlfriend here, get friend,

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get rid of the friends with benefits, and find a guy in your own

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town where you can have a full
relationship with. I think you can do

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it. Also, if this long
distance guy's not like getting on a train,

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plane, automobile and rushing to see
you, you should dump them.

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So remember a few weeks ago I
had the author on from that book The

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Rules, and she was saying,
like, they have to make an effort

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right and try hard. Otherwise,
No, they're not interested. They want

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to feel like they're getting a prize. Those guys, all right, Dear

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doctor Wendy says this DM. What
does it actually mean when a guy says

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I'm not in a position to be
romantic or date. It could mean a

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million things, but it means run
from him as fast as you can and

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don't get any ideas. I'm not
in a position to be romantic or date.

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Could mean they're married, could mean
they have a girlfriend on the side,

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could mean they have an emotional avoidance
problem. Could mean they just don't

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like you. Whatever, it doesn't
matter what it means. What it means

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is, you know, when someone
tells you something about themselves, believe them.

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Funny that, huh, just believe
them. It means you should not

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hold any fantasies that he's going to
change. Just move along. There's lots

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of old fish in the sea.
Okay. Someone asked me on a DM

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on Instagram on this not a DM, what do you call it? A

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comment on the when we were live
last segment, if I would describe what

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reciprocation looks like in the early stage
of courting. Now, I want to

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be very clear there are sex brain
differences. While gender is a scale and

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it is fluid, we do know
that their biological sex brain differences and sperm

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chases egg, not the reverse.
So reciprocation should look like a guy trying

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a little harder at the beginning,
and if he's not move on, I

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mean, he's got to really feel
like he's getting a huge prize and he

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has to work for it. So
reciprocation, though, should be at least

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responding to someone's text. If they
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reciprocation. If you're responding quickly.
If you know, you suggest that they

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go, you go out and do
this activity. Then the next time it's

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their turn to you look for like
mirroring. Are they doing what you're doing?

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If they're not, and you're doing
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emotional work, the communication work,
the financial paying for work. If you're

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doing everything and you're getting nothing back, that is not reciprocation. That is

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when you should move along. Move
along. Oh, this is a cute

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one, okay, doctor Wendy.
So I adopted a pop for the first

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time ever. I don't know if
she talks like this, I don't know

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what I'm doing. So I signed
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have had five so far, but
the last two my homework has been terrible

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because I have the biggest crush on
my dog trainer. Oh, how cute

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is that? I feel like a
giddy teenager. I know I'm overdoing it,

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but in the last class he called
me by my first name. Before

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that, we just went by the
dog's name. What you go to dog

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training class and you get called Fido? I'm so confused. And today,

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like we had a moment when I
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our hands kind of touched. I
love it this. I feel so silly.

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But he's so cute and seems like
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and I imagine probably in his personal
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What should I do? You know
what to do? You need to

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flirt? Okay, first of all, there's nothing illegal about having a crush

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on your dog training instructor. People
meet in all kinds of situations. It's

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not like you're in a workplace and
he's your boss, right, So what

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you need to do is what girls
do so well, you need to batch

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your eyelids and flip your hair over
your shoulder and laugh at his jokes harder

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than you normally would. But you
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single? Would you like to go
out sometime? Lady? No? Cool

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it sperm chase's egg, not the
reverse. Remember, So you need to

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just turn on your feminine wiles and
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And if he's not reciprocating, like
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gonna say it out loud, but
if you kind of like, ooh,

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that's a little weird and starts giving
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flirting. Then you know, see, you got your message. It's all

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done. You don't even have to
embarrass yourself by having the conversation. Are

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you single? Whatever, it's just
all done, all right? Do we

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have time for one more? I
think no? Oh dear, there's some

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good ones too, all right,
we'll get to them next week. Hey,

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when we come back. Signs that
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I'll explain. You're listening to the
Doctor Wendy Walls Show and KFI AM

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six forty We live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. You're listening to KFI AM

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six forty on demand KFI AM six
forty. You have Doctor Wendy Walsh with

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you. This is the Doctor Wendy
Walls Show. You know, I've always

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said the most important relationship you can
have is the one you have with yourself.

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And there are certain relationship patterns that
you can have with yourself that are

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negative and others that are positive.
If I actually think that there are some

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signs that you're having a toxic relationship
with yourself, and I want to explain

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it because you're like, what do
you mean? You love yourself. Well,

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I want to remind you that forgiving
yourself is loving yourself. Keeping yourself

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safe is loving yourself. Caring for
the temple of which you reside inside your

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body is loving yourself. And you
know you've probably heard the saying, and

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I've said a lot, you have
to love yourself first before you can love

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somebody else. One of the reasons
is because if you're completely insecure and you

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don't believe that you're lovable, then
when that other person loves you and compliments

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you, you're not going to believe
them. You're going to be very mistrusting

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because there's a critical voice inside your
head that saysn't nah, I'm not that

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great, right, And so self
love is not about boasting or creating some

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kind kind of fake personality outside.
Self love is being able to put your

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own oxygen mask on first, but
give to others because you know you can,

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because you have the confidence in the
backbone. So there are some things

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that people do that I think are
signs that they're actually having a toxic relationship

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with themselves. Here's one. You
don't hold your own self accountable, so

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when bad things happen, you blame
people, places, and everything. Else,

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you blame others for your misfortune.
You never take responsibility for your life

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to say, well, wait a
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You know. I have to say. If you've been following me a

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long time, you know that when
I was a young woman, I spent

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years, decades in relationships with people
who could not love me back, and

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I stuck to them like glue.
People who hurt me, abandoned me,

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practice financial abuse with me, practice
physical abuse with me, and I didn't

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take responsibility for it. I lived
in a place of blaming them for everything.

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But you know what, I chose
them. I chose them, and

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I chose to stay. And when
I got to that place working with my

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therapist, and I went, oh
it takes two to tango, I put

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myself there. I'm going to be
responsible for my happiness. I'm going to

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choose someone who treats me well.
That's called being accountable to yourself. Now,

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this was something I did when I
was in those bad relationships. One

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way to have a toxic relationship with
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You know, I have a friend
she's actually been in AA and been clean

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and sober for go oh gosh,
like twenty five years now, and I'm

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very proud of her. And she
told me a story once of the day

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she knew it was time to enter
rehab and join AA, and she said

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she was getting ready to go out
on a date. She was getting all

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dressed up, and she looked in
the mirror and she made a promise to

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herself that she was not going to
have sex with this first date, this

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person. But she got drunk,
she had sex with him without protection.

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She woke up the next day worried
about pregnancy or an STI and realized she'd

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broken a promise to herself. She
hadn't kept her own boundaries, and for

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her, that was the turning point
moment to go enough right. Here's another

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example of how you might be having
a toxic relationship with yourself. You're not

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living out your purpose. Are you
adjusting your life for everybody else? Because

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you want to be liked by them, so you want to wear what they

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think is the clothes to wear.
You want to have the job that they

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think is the job to have,
and you're just trying to be this perfect

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person for everybody you date, instead
of you going who am I, what

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is my purpose, What is my
meaning on this planet. That's when you

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know you're having a good relationship with
yourself. Then let's say you're I mean

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great example, Let's say you're going
to law school at night and you meet

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the greatest guy in the whole world. But he says, oh, I'm

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out after the semester and when I'm
moving somewhere, and you're like, okay,

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well I'll just drop out of law
school. I'll come see you.

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Right, you're not living your purpose. Then that's what you're not doing.

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Oh, this is a big one. And I used to have this all

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the time. You can't take a
compliment. Somebody compliments you and you make

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a self deprecating joke about yourself,
and that means you don't love yourself.

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You know what I learned to say. I was walking the other night,

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very funny. I was walking outside
over to the pool area at my apartment

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complex. Actually it was a very
bad hair day for me. I'll just

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say, I know that it's time
to go to the pool when I have

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dirty hair, because then I can
wash it again afterwards. But if I

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have good hair, I'm not kidding
swimming pool, right, So you know

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that if I'm walking to the pool, it's not a good hair day.

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And as I'm walking to the pool, this sweet old gray haired lady looks

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up at me and says, you
have the most beautiful hair. Dear,

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you just have the most beautiful hair. And you know what, I like.

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I didn't have to think about it. I said, thank you so

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much for telling me. That's so
sweet of you, instead of, oh,

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no, it's actually bad hair day. You should see when I do

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it nice. You know, I
didn't say that. I said thank you

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for telling me because compared to her
hair, mine was great. Their natural

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curls are beautiful. If you had
your curly mane, I know you were

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young. I've been doing curly in
a while, you know why. I

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actually get more days out of blow
dried straight hair. But the curly hair,

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if I sleep on it the next
day, it's a mess. Yeah,

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and then I can't do it.
And you try a bonnet. I

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know. My girls got me into
the bonnet. It's a little weird to

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sleep in. It feels weird.
You'll get used to it. Yeah.

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Maybe. All right, here's another
sign that maybe you're in a bad relationship

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with yourself. You're a pessimist about
everything, you know, if you're shooting

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yourself down all your opportunities. I
knew this guy once. He was a

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poet. He was a super talented
poet, had gone to an Ivy League

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university, was amazing, and he
never once sent one poem to any publication

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anywhere. But what he did is
he pointed out all the other writers who

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never made money, were never successful, who wallpapered their bedroom with rejection letters.

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He literally didn't even have the guts
to send in and he was so

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brilliant. You know, my favorite
line is from Wayne Gretzky, hockey player

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Canadian. You know he's our god
over there. You miss one hundred percent

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of the shots you don't take right. So if you're a pessimist and you

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think you're going to lose, you
will guaranteed. Here's a big one.

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You're having a bad relationship with yourself
if your coping style against stress is dangerous.

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If you feel stressed and sometimes there
are days where there are a cascade

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of stressors, and if you turn
to drugs, alcohol, sex, or

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binge eating, you're not having a
good relationship with yourself. Well, what

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are you supposed to do when you
get stressed? After Wendy. Okay,

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well, I'll tell you I happened
to have a very stressful day today.

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I had a big computer crash and
lost some very important files. I found

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some other problems with all tech.
You know, you're stuck on a computer,

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and there were tech problems, techpile. And then I was paying bills,

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and there were some problems with cash
flow. And then my boyfriend said

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something. I snapped out him.
It was a cascade of nonsense, sounds

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like I need a glass of wine, see But instead I got up and

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said I need to go for a
walk. And where was that lady complimenting

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me on my hair today? She
was not there. No, here's the

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funniest thing. After my walk,
I jumped in the car and I said,

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I'm just going to go to Trader
Joe's because if I have a full

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fridge, I will feel stock to
make good meals for the week and that'll

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be healthy and whatever. I'll go
get some vegetables and so well, you

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know how all the cashiers at Trader
Joe's are extroverts, and they're like,

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how's your day going? And I
go out It's okay, but I got

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to go to work, and he
goes, oh, what do you do?

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And I know I have a radio
show. He goes where I said,

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Cafi. He goes, I'm a
big Cafi listener. Are you doctor

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Wendy Walsher? Am I own?
No. Here we go right after my

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bad day and my bad walk.
Then he goes, I have a question

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for you. He said, how
come I've been married for many, many

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years? My wife and I love
each other, But how comes she could

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be nice to people she barely knows? But and I said, you don't

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even have to finish. We save
the most sadistic parts of our personality for

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those we love the most because we
know they won't leave and they have to

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baby us. All right, when
we come back, I've got some help

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for you. I have an author, Katie Silcox, who is the author

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of the new book glow Worthy Practices
for Awakening your Inner Light and loving yourself

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as you are, broken, beautiful
and sacred. That's me. Well,

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hell, Katie, when we come
back, you're listening to the Doctor Wendy

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Walls showing KFI. You're listening to
KFI AM six forty on demand mirror.

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Oh no, why those Tom draws, Lush Summer South, a bag of

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Crystal Ball. That's the baby issue. I'm shunning everybody wanna shine well like

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his own, even out of the
try shining leggad better than I just say.

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I'm not a medicine lie payment.
Welcome back to the Doctor Wendywell Show

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on k f I A M six
forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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You know, I have done episodes
before where I've talked about Remember I'm a

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psychology a psychology I'm not. I
am a professor of health psychology. And

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one of the most interesting things about
our health is that religiosity is highly correlated

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with long life, better mental health, better physical health, and virtually any

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religion doesn't matter what it is,
and you could break it down, Oh

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well, it's the community, it's
the incense, it's the chanting that relaxes

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people. They're all kinds of pieces
that create religiosity, not just the doctrine.

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You don't necessarily you can actually follow
a religion and not believe it and

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still get the health benefits. Just
to let you know, but I was

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really excited to bring on a woman
who knows how certain forms of spirituality can

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actually lead to better mental health and
even stronger relationships. I like to welcome

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Katie Silcock. She has a master's
degree in Hinduism and I your Veda?

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Did I say it right? Are
your Veda? Katie Beda Silence? You're

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known around the world for being a
great teacher and mentor. Your books the

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number one New York Times best selling
Healthy, Happy, Sexy, Ay your

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Veda Wisdom for Modern Women and new
book coming Out glow Worthy Practices or Awakening

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your Inner Light and loving yourself as
you are? Okay, Katie Silcox.

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The first thing I hear, because
I'm all about science and concrete, literal

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things, is what is an inner
light? And what is you loving yourself?

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Really? Well, it's dolphins and
unicorns and bond bonds and all the

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good things. Now, I you
know, I most people don't know this,

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But before artificial intelligence was even a
thing, I studied AI and I

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worked in AI, and I'm definitely
a lover of science, and so I

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completely understand the need to sort of
understand and go into the woo wooness,

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right, But really it's just it's
that basic. You said the word.

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You said the word religiosity, And
I love that because if we study the

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etymology of that word, we find
religio is the exact same word as yoga,

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which means to yoke or to unite. And this idea of an inner

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light is that all of us are
walking around with like this little secret and

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that is, Oh, I feel
alone, right, So we do,

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and we long for connection. We
long for a divine connection, We long

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for friendship, We long for intimacy. And that inner light that glow,

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if you will, comes from whether
you believe in religion or not, as

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you said at the top of the
show, doesn't matter. You get that

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when you are living the authenticity of
who you really are, and it's intoxicating

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and people want to be around it
and it's beautiful. And what do you

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mean by the authenticity? I mean, is it like literally getting rid of

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our public face and our performance personality
and only being real and raw and having

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no boundaries. I'm confused. No, No, I'm so glad you asked,

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Like, we all have a persona
and it's beautiful and it's you're a

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psychologist, you know this. It's
a wonderful part of life that enables us

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to play these roles that serve people. But what this really means is the

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capacity to go in three hundred and
sixty grease of our humanity. And so

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when you're in the limelight and you're
in your persona like you're able to play

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that role from a place of having
your heart be real and be open while

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maintaining your good professional boundaries. For
instance, I'm actually a psychology professor,

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not a psychologist. But there is
a performance when you're teaching a large group

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of students, and you know that
there's certain things you probably can't say in

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front of that big group that you
might say with intimate friends, right,

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And that's actually a service to them. It's actually you creating a beautiful container

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for them to be able to have
an experience that doesn't necessarily involve like one

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of my teachers would say, you
don't show up to teach your class in

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your sweatpants, like in you know, watching Netflix, Like there's a time

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and a place for that. And
so really this inner light is more about

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learning how to tap in, at
least privately in your own home from time

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to time, that vulnerable self,
that part of us that a lot of

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us are really doing a lot lot
of things throughout the day to run from,

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because initially it can feel like the
very thing that you want to touch

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the least is actually sitting right in
front of where you have that true cell

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or that light. So you mentioned
that all of us deep down are holding

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this secret that we feel alone.
And I often will say the sentence,

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you know, you're born alone and
you die alone, and in between,

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if you're lucky, you have some
people you can hang with, right,

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And that is personification of that.
We're realizing that we're alone in this.

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But how can your teaching help people
have closer, more connected and I guess

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relationships where they feel more secure and
less alone. Yeah, I mean it's

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that paradox, right, So like
it's alone, but then once you continue

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to dive into that solitude, you
find that you're all one. Right,

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that's the whole Enlightenment teaching of all
ah. So when you're doing the yogi,

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then you're actually feeling more connected to
the world exactly. But the secret

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is that we can co like these
paradoxical states coexist. So you know,

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it's like when we're needy and we're
desperately looking for love, all the old

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wives tales like let it go and
then you'll find the love. Right,

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It's that it's when when I actually
own and acknowledge the truth that I have

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to do this work of loving myself
by myself, that we actually open up

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to that part of us that connects
with everyone else, making us much more

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available and lovable. So if you
could give me two tips news you can

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use for our listeners. What should
they do tomorrow to start a better relationship

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with themselves? Sure, I'm going
to share something. I have a mentor.

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Her name's Crystal Mortinson, and tonight
we were talking and we're talking about

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these four pillars of mindfulness, and
so I'll just share these really quick ones.

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And one is that you start paying
attention to yourself, that you take

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an active interest in yourself, whether
it be through your breath or any form

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of meditation. You begin to pay
attention to the truth of where you actually

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are physically, emotionally, energetically.
But then that's not enough, because we

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all know we can focus on something
and it just gets worse. Right,

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we also have to bring in this
spirit of openness and relaxation, taking the

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pressure off ourselves to beaties perfect enlightened
beings. And then most importantly, we

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have to look at ourselves with a
warm, kind gauze aka compassion, because

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if you just meditate and focus on
your breath, you can you know,

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pardon my friends, you can become
a more focused app right. So it's

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really important that you have all three
of those elements, you know, a

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basic meditation, and I think probably
as part of that warm kind gaze is

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learning how to forgive our selves for
being human beings because we're not perfect pep

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totally. And I will say that
as we close, I just want to

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remind everybody the new book is called
glow Worthy Practices for Awakening your Inner Light

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and Loving Yourself as you are,
Broken, Beautiful and Sacred by Katie Silcox.

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But I do want to say that
if we can just take some time

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to let stuff go and let our
relationship be, then stop trying to change

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each other and control everything about it, it will probably frow a lot more

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smoothly. Wise advice, Thanks so
much for being with me, Katie,

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A pleasure to chat. Oh.
Likewise, definitely, thank you so much

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for having me, and thank you
for listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show

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