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Hey, everybody, welcome to another
episode here of Tuned In with Jim Cummings.

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I am Brendan Dando, and this
week you're going to hear Jim's chat

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with the legendary voice actor and former
SAY president Barry Gordon, who many of

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you at there would know as the
voice of Donald Tello and Bebop in the

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original nineteen eighty seven Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles animated series. So I'm just here

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to give you all the heads up
that there was a technical issue with the

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audio for the first eight minutes of
this interview, so don't panic. Your

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headphones haven't broken, our SD card
did. So this means what you're going

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to hear is not the audio from
the microphones, but the audio from the

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cameras just for the beginning, but
after about the first eight minutes, everything

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kicks in and you can once again
hear those soothing tones of Jim. Thanks

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again to you all for your ongoing
support here at Tuned In with Jim Cummings.

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It doesn't mean the world to us. We have some incredibly exciting guests

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lined up in the coming week,
so stay tuned for that, as Jim

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would say. Plus, we've got
a whole bunch of bonus contents set to

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launch on Jim's Patreon, which you
can find a link for in the description

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of this podcast. But for now, that's enough for me, so sit

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back and enjoy Jim's chat with the
one and only Barry Gordon. Who you

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doing out there? It's me Tiggert
and Duc Wayne Duck. It's me Bunker's

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key Bobcat. All right, y'all, did it ring your favorite fire fla

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you desire? Hold the old knock
goud. My name is Jim Cummings and

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welcome to Tunjin. All right,
welcome back and right, this is Tune

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In with Jim Hummings. I'm joined
the course, Jim Commings. Are you

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going today, sir? One of
our great bear next place yet by the

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way, Yeah, yeah, thanks
for a today. Our special guest is

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Barry Gordon. You don't want to
the original quiz? Hello? Right?

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Yeah? And the former president of
Sack, which is very very interesting.

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Guilty yes, yeah, yeah,
that's good stuff. Well you you have.

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First of all, welcome, thank
you very very very much for being

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here. Oh, I love you
You're day. I appreciate that so much.

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And uh and I just just welcome
welcome. Thank you. You know,

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I the first time I ever saw
you, you were in black and

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white, yeah, because it was
on my television sets, and you were

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being a very famous young person,
and I thought, this guy, I

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mean, I could see that you
were around my age, and I was

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thinking, he's forty years old.
You were, you had such an intelligent

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air about you that has served you
well. It has and now I'm thirteen,

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so I think we're just reverse aging
thing. Yes, yes, yes,

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well you know I had to pause
before we go much further, and

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I want to thank you for doing
such a great favor to me. Several

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years ago, I had a really
bad health issue and I was just out

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of it. As simple as a
stupid thing is this. I forgot to

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pay my dues a couple of times
and I came out of my super whatever

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and I'm like, wait, what
is this dental bill? What is this?

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You know? And and I thought, oh my god, what do

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I do? And they said,
well, you know, you skip two

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cycles or whatever it was, and
I thought, I may I'll call Mary.

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So I called you because he was
the president of Sion. I figured

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anybody else cloud this guy. So
and you were kind enough to make a

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phone call and he related, Godfather, it's no problem, kid, go

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ahead. It wasn't It wasn't a
problem. Was it was very easy to

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do it because you know, it
was a trustee at that time. I

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wasn't president anymore. I thought I
hadn't given that that that was ages ago.

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It was but eighty eight. I
was a WI five or something like

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that. But yeah, but you
called man, I was a trustee,

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and I got on the phone and
they made it easy. It wasn't me.

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It made it easy. I didn't
have to go through a lot of

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red tape. They just I totally
the issue and they were cool and and

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I'm glad all weren't down me too. Thanks again, pleasure, Thanks for

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being here. You know, it's
funny we've worked in an X amount of

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times over the year, but I've
seen you more in recent year, year

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two, then back when we're working
and doing all these series because of the

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comic counts. Because of the comic
counts. Yeah, you guys should go

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to them and have fun. It's
been a wonderful experience, you know.

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And we talked about that when when
the turtles get together, because I only

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did them when all four of us
can go. Oh because I'm lazy,

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so I don't go all the time. So when all four of us can

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go, I go, and and
we only stay in the panels. And

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I really feel this way is that, you know, in this business,

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you was touched with people. It's
very, very easiest. Particularly, I

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decided to retire when I was about, you know, sixty two, because

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I started when it was four and
I thought you were head. You know,

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I'm going to just relax now.
And again thanks to the union,

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I had great passions as my wife
had a great career, so we were

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all, you know, doing good
things. And I just decided, you

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know, the rat race was not
for me anymore, and so so I

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retired. And it was after and
you know, so I completely lost touch

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with everybody, and I hadn't seen
the guys in my twenty five years the

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way, and Rob really put us
together for a reunion on his podcast talking

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to her, and we decided to
do it. Rob Paulson, who plays

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Raphael, and we he decided he
wanted to do a Turtle reunion, so

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we put us all together and it
was the first time we'd seen each other

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in like quarter of a century.
And then he also brought us together to

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do the these common conventions and it's
really now now, I mean I can

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show you my phone and the threads, the endless texts and threads, and

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now it's like having a new family. I mean, because I'm an only

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child, so it's like having you
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sister, and we're constantly talking with
each other. And so that discovery was

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just amazing to me and a real
blessing that came out of this whole thing.

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And seeing you again, Billy West, and you know, so many

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great people that I hadn't seen in
years. Oh it's so true. And

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even you know, I'm doing a
couple of shows now, but we're never

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the hole cast is never there.
Just don't do it. And I think

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I don't know if they used COVID
as an excuse, because they people want

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to do it. It was a
bay about to have all those people at

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the Youth studio at one time,
but I really prefer it. I think

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I'm better when other people are there
because you're you know, you're you're trying

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to do You're doing, you know, all all your little tricks because you're

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trying to impress the people around you
you're trying to get you know, we're

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all like, come on, my
baby, come on. You know,

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we all want to get that applause. We all want to get that going.

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And and when you're sitting there alone
in a gray room with you know,

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mattresses on the wall and foam,
oh bother you know, it's just

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it's just not the same. Well, you know it's he mentioned that because

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dude, I totally agree with you. And I was talking to Rob when

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he brought back the turtles. And
when they brought back the turtles in twenty

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twelve, they did in the same
room. Yeah, that's good. When

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they brought back Ans, they did
him in the same room. So that

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was great. But that can be
brought to an extreme. And the extreme

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was our cruiser on the Turtles,
Fred Wolf. Oh who shall we name?

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Yeah, I say fresh only done
that he who should not be named,

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but will be Fred Wolf. So
the wolf, Fred Wolf, so

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he you know, I was in
fact, I was president of the Guilt

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at that time while we were doing
Turtles, and so I had negotiations in

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New York because the commercials contract negotiates
in New York. So I had negotiations

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in New York, and I just
said, you know, I'm not going

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to be able to be at the
session, so you know, let's find

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a studio in New York and I'll
do the lines wind And he said,

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oh no, no, if you
can't be in the room, you can't

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be in the episode. So he
replaced me for those episodes. And he

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did that with Rob. When Rob
couldn't make it, I did it with

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cam Cam. So if you have
the full set, folks, sometimes you're

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not going to hear my voice.
Yeah, because another guy. Yeah,

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but that's taking into him street because
I think if you're missing one person,

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you should be able to So you
know, you know, he had a

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show just for the record, just
since running up called Zoro back in the

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day. Yeah, and it was
Towns of Coleman was booked at Zorro and

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I was starting Garcia of all people, and uh, we won't go.

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I know, I know that,
I know we all have done that,

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Sergeant to make Garcia anyway, but
you know Towny and they always wanted to

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do a read through. Okay,
Uh well, so it turns out times

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Townsend. I was booked at NBC
up until he said listen, no problem,

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I'll be there right on time,
about nine to twenty, you know,

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to get started just over there until
about night. So it's gonna take

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me a little while. So he
won't in other words, he won't be

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there for the read through, which
is superfluous, especially if weird Chyle's of

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Coleman. I mean, he I
think he can do this. And so

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he said nope, all right,
you're not You're you're fired, and they

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got somebody else and and I went, wait a minute, this is he's

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not going to be there for the
read through. That nobody everybody's going,

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oh look out, hurry run whoa
look out here comes the wagon. Oh

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boy, that you know, And
that was it, miss miss out on

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that gem of an experience. And
uh and so I just I wrote him

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a big, long, flowery note
about never call me again and I'm not

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coming back. And you bet now
you have to get a new sergeant Garcia

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and he'd better be of Irish descent, because if he's not, well,

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you're a bad boy. That would
be me. Yeah, so that was

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my experience. Yeah, oh boy, I have a question for you,

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burying sure. How did it feel
when when they said if you can't be

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in the room that we're gonna recast. How did that feel? I just

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thought it was insane. I mean
it was it was astonishment, you know,

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and it kept happening, so it
you know, I think there are

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like five episodes out of the one
hundred and ninety three that we did that

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where it's not my voice. You
know. Now the guy that did it,

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though, is cashing in on it
a little bit because he now goes

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to CONS. I really I will
not mention his name. I really won't

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mention it. But he now goes
to CONS and signs the original Donatello,

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so oh boy. And technically I
mean original. I do have a law

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degree, I'm a member of the
bar, so technically I would support him

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in that. I mean, technically, he's right. He was on the

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original show for five episodes and and
and he signs his Funko pops and you

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know, and that's that's it.
That's fascinating. But yeah, but but

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it was. It was strange and
and because I felt it showed a kind

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of a lack of trust, you
know, because we weren't going to mess

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it up. You know, We'd
go into the studio, we'd have a

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director there or something, and we'd
do the line. Yeah, exactly.

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But maybe he didn't want to pay
for an extra session and an extra director.

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Maybe it was money I have.
I have no idea. It could

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be with that guy, Yeah,
I would think so, yeah, it

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could be what was his name again? I was read something, Yeah,

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Coyote, I think, Oh my
gosh, amazing. Jim told me an

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interesting story on the way over here. He said that when you guys would

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be recording together, that you'd be
studying law in between tapes. Yeah,

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yeah, I was. It was
an amazing part of it. I was

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in law school and in the beginning
I remember that and something you don't see

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in a lot of recording studios,
Oh look out, careful of you kids.

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And then yeah, here recording to
the Constitution. I know. I

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felt a little guilty because I didn't
want people to think that I wasn't paying

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attention, but but I kind of
was. I was. I was reading

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comic books right now, so I
would just come right up and do my

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line and then back down. Yeah, well I had. That's how I

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did the whole Tasmanian series. Really. Yeah, you know, because he

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didn't even have lines and you were
studying law. No, I wasn't comic

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books. Okay, comics be on
Friday. I'd go and get all the

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new comic books about like that many. Then I'd sit there and read.

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Then you know that would and I'd
be reading my comic books. It's it's

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what we do. And now now
we ruined everybody's concept of what Yes,

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do you know what they do?
They read? Yeah? Thank god?

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Actually? Yeah? Oh man,
so what what is that? Are we?

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Am? I going to see you
at any future cons here? Yeah?

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Yeah? We have one Thanksgiving weekend
in San Francisco. I think it's

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fan Expo, and then we're scheduled
for like eight next year, starting in

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New Orleans the very first week of
the year. I want to go to

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that one, and then and then
Arkansas, somewhere in Arkansas, go to

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that one. I don't know,
but I actually actually could be fun look

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there for people. And then boy, we've got a lot in the South.

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Next year. We've got Chantilly,
Virginia. It's the big lick con.

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I understand they make good lace there, do they Chantilly? Now?

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I had to do the bad elvish
Man big bopper. So we'll see you

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there, folks. There will be
a nose count Yes, and and Raleigh

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at Atlanta, Pensacola, and then
not some non Southern like Ohs and that's

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bread, isn't it? Okay?
Yeah? Vegas? And what the Columbus?

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Oh, Ohio, I think yeah, And I'm probably forgetting a couple.

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There's a fine university there, I
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yeah so there. So yeah,
I'm from Youngstown, so I had

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to got to represent the gang back
home. Yeah. Well, my my

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son lives in Mansfield, so that's
great. There's a hell of a good

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reformatory there. Up, yes,
work, did I do that too?

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quickly do that. Okay, thank
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I have I have another question for
you. I'm just interested in your

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thoughts on this current SAG strike.
Being the former president. No, I

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actually am not going to talk about
that too much. And the reason I'm

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not is because I'm not in the
room. And you know, I've been

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in the room before. So whether
the room is the same as the room

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that I was in or whether it's
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that it may have because there are
new players, which are the streaming companies

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Amazon Bowl, so they're very new
players and and so you know, obviously

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we all hope that it's going to
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And I mean, I think AI
is the big sticking point right now and

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should be. But it's a very
difficult one to address. It's a really

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a tough one. It's a really
tough one, I think because if you

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try and wrap your head around it, they're not replacing the talent that any

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given actor has. They're not because
they're just reproducing it. But they're ripping

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off the image that he uses to
sell us wares his are her wares right,

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Well, there are some areas in
which they may be replacing talent in

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one area, of course, and
we do represent background performers, and so

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that's a good point to take a
few people duplicate them by the thousands,

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and and you know a lot of
people aren't going to be working. Well,

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can you imagine a bar scene in
which all the people in the background

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are Humphrey Bogart. That would be
very strange. I should have picked another

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note, Well, there might Well, maybe there's a reason though in the

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plot that they would all be Humphrey
Bogart. Well, that's true, you

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know that would be cool. Note
to self write that stupid. But I

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think, you know, it's interesting
that the writers of course had the same

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the same issue. And I read
this article. I don't think I'm miss

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misphrasing it, but I read this
article in the Hollywood Reporter that they asked

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Chat Gpt. Did I say that
right? It's yeah, Chat Gpt to

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write a thirty rock script, hmm, And it did. Really. They

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gave it a premise, and the
premise was AI. That was the premise

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that oh God, people on the
show were going to lose their jobs to

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AI. Oh my gosh, which
is a funny premise. That is a

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funny premise, a cannibalistic So they
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a script that was like perfectly structure. It had a beginning, a middle,

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an end. It was I mean, they literally wrote a script.

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One problem. There was not one
joke in it, not one can't so

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I think I think that it may
be useful in some ways. It could

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even be useful to a writer.
But then when you try to say,

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well I don't need the writer anymore, I think that may be where it

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brings down, but you know,
it's it's very tough. How do you

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compensate? Right now? I know
the discussion is about scans. In other

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words, they want to be able
to own these digital scans of of of

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star performers, of top performers and
use them whenever they want. And then

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the question is who owns it the
studio, does the performer owner? What

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is the level of compensation? So
there are so many issues about AI that

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have to be worked out. I
don't think they're going to be worked out

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in one negotiation, because nothing like
that ever is. It's always a process,

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you know. But you want to
get your foot in the door and

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you want to be able to start
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where we are right now. But
I don't know, again, because I'm

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not in the room. I don't
know what the dynamics of the negotiating committee

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are, which is also a thing
because the president is not the chief negotiator

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normally. Now that may be different
this time that I don't know. But

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in the past, you know,
the president's unpaid. The president's not a

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you know, a paid person.
The president in many ways, I don't

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want to use the word derogatorily,
but I'll use it on myself. It's

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a figurehead. What the president does
have to do is to kind of build

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coordinate, build consensus, and do
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And that's a that's a tricky dance
because some people want you to be

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very aggressive. Some people want you
to, you know, get the best

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possible but soonest deal that you can
get. You have to kind of see,

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you know, what the what the
traffic will bear. And it's and

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it's I found it enjoyable and fascinating. I loved it. Well, it's

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had to have been a beautiful challenge. Well I did it for seven years.

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That was the longest that anyone has
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I did love it. And it
used to be very hard to get into

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the room. And when I say
the room, there was always a point

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of what was called sidebar sure where
the top negotiators would leave their committees and

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get together and into a room,
you know, four people, five people,

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And I understand that's starting to happen
now. I just saw something that

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said, you know, now you've
got progress, and Iiger and one other

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person I think WB in the room. And it used to be that people,

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the lowly presidents of the union could
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it was because the lawyers, the
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At that time it was a quarter
of a million. Now it's probably

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a million. But at that point, you know, they said, no,

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this is our job and you know, and you stay out. And

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that was the one place where I
was a little aggressive because I said to

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them, I said, look,
I can't do what I need to do

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in the negotiating committee if I'm not
in the room, because there's always going

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to be a certain level of distrust
between the paid people and the actors.

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Do the actors do they really know
what we are and what we go through?

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That's what the actors are thinking.
And so I got in by virtue

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of the fact that I was in
law school and so and so I said,

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look, I know when to horn
in when not to horn in.

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You know's mouth shut. But I
want to be there so that I can

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honestly go back to the committee and
tell them what the heck is going on.

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And they let me and that was
very good. And at some points

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you know that it went a little
further than that, you know, and

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they actually let me be involved and
that was good, but but it is

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a it's tricky. I mean,
it's a dance because you've got to be

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strong for your members, but you've
got to be pliable when you're at the

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negotiating table, and sometimes those things
conflict, sometimes they don't. So so

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you know what's happening right now?
I don't know. I really don't know.

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Yeah, it's it's a weird.
These are weird times. Yeah,

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they keep coming up with you know, we'd never have seen this one coming,

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you know, twenty years ago.
Wait, problem with what what is

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it going to be? A?
Yeah? Yeah, what is that?

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You know? It's well, there's
also a more, a more, another

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issue that we absolutely did see coming
and have seen coming for a long time.

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And that's the power of the streamers. And so you know, we

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have to find a whole new compensation
method because I don't think the traditional residual

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method is going to work there.
Yeah, how does it? Then?

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It can't? It almost can't.
So then what do you do? And

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and you know, is it based
on a license fee? Is it based

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on it? I mean there are
all kinds of formulas that you can try

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to come up with, and and
that has to be resolved too, so

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that people can make a living in
this new media environment. Yeah, oh

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my god. Yeah, it's it's
insane. Well all the avenues too,

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to see movies, to see TV
shows, music, It's just it's it's

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unprecedented. We there was no template
for this type of thing. No,

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and of course now we have it
all because you know we we fought hard

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to get a merger with Aftra.
So now we're a phono and we're radio

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and yeah, all of it,
you know, new media. So it's

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all one union except for theater.
Do you still do theater? I do

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little theater. There's this wonderful company
in Pasadena. It's called Parsons Nos Theater.

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Parsons Nos Theater, Parsons Nos the
It was started by a guy k

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n O W s or n O
s n O sc okay, I was

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afraid of it. Actually was a
it's a line from the Queen Mab speech

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in Romeo and Juliet Mercutio's speech.
Well Mab and well I didn't until I

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got this theater. Good. But
but it's this little theater that was started

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by a phone named Lance Davis who
came out of the Guthrie m and so

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had a really good theater background,
and you know, worked with Guthrie and

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worked with Michael uh I can't think
of his name, but the guy that

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was at the Guthrie who was like
world famous. So he worked with these

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guys. And his feeling was that
you have these plays that are three hours

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long and four hours long, and
they're endless, with Moliere and Shakespeare and

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you know, Sheridan whoever. And
he said, I want to introduce people

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to them by doing like eighty to
ninety minute versions of them. And so

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he does all of the adaptations.
He does all the adaptations, he cuts

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them. He even does the translations
of Moliere himself. And so he formed

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this little theater company. For a
while it played like a coffee bars and

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all kinds of strange places. And
my wife knew someone who was familiar with

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them, and said, you've got
to go see this theater. And I

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was being can I say this schmuck
and elitist? I was being elitist,

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red wolf, no and synonymous,
but I was being but I was being

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elitist, and I said, it's
community theater, and I don't really want

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to watch a bunch of amateurs.
And I don't want to spend my Sunday

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doing that. And she said it's
supposed to be really good. So I

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kept saying no, and I kept
saying no. I kept saying no,

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and then finally it was like she
wrote me into it, and she said,

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no, we're going out to dinner
with these people, and first we're

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going to go see the show.
And I thought, okay, we'll go.

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And I got to tell you,
Jim, I was floored because they're

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not amateurs at all. Their equity, they're sag, they're after not.

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I mean, you know, you
turn on commercials, you see them.

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You turn on television, weekly television, see them character actors, just people

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that knew what the hell they were
doing. Great people like Alan Brooks and

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ev Ar Broger and you may not
know the names, but you would recognize

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their faces at a heart right.
And I said, oh no, this

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is not what I thought it was
going to be. So I went,

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I said I'm just going to I
met him and I just said, Lance,

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I'm going to come to everything because
I love it. And so the

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next show they had, I went
and Lance finds me in an a mission

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and he has a nil envelope and
he hands it to me and he says,

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we're doing symboling next. And he
says, I want you to play

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Pisania. I didn't know who the
hell Pasania was, but I said,

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yeah, wow, So i've been
Now I've been with this theater for like

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a dozen years. Now. Wow. We actually moved into our own space.

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It's forty seats, but we've got
this great bar, not a liquor

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bar, but a wine and beer
bar. We've got this great bar in

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the back. We actually took over
an old mortuary chapel. The choice,

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yes, well for us, it
was because it was very Renaissance. He

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looking, I mean it looks really
good inside. So we took this over.

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And we've been doing shows, and
I have been doing things that I

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never thought i'd do. I played
Shylock in a short Merchant of Venice.

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I played Jaqui's and as you like
it, you know, all the world's

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a stage that speech, and I
am having so much fun. Yeah,

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we're doing a Dickens tribute. But
now we've kind of since the pandemic,

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we've kind of switched because we did
the thing with the costumes and the sets

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and all of that. Even though
it's a tiny stage, but since the

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pandemic, we've been doing more like
radio theater, and so it's quick rehearsal

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right, and we just stand in
front of microphones and music stands and we

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do it. And you know,
we haven't lost any audience. We're still

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bringing people in because in a sense, as you well know and I well

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know from what we do, it's
the sound. It's the sound, and

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and and they use their imagination to
fill in all of the rest of it.

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Absolutely, And we're having a ball. So yeah, we're doing in

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the next couple of weeks, we're
doing Dickens. We're doing a clip from

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a novel that not a lot of
people know, Hard Times, And and

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is that the one with Charles Brunson. The movie couldn't have been No,

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Jim, No, it's not the
one. Wasn't he a boxer in that

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one? But they did do a
movie called hard Times, But it's not

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very No, it's not. No. He doesn't win in this one,

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No, nobody. It's hard Times, so nobody wins and and and so

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that's what I'm that's the theater that
I'm doing, and I'm having a great

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time. And it is in Pasady
Enough on the corner of Holly and Meringo.

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We're like a blockdown from the Pasadena
City Hall, and and it's a

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kick if you get to get to
go. If you live anywhere near that,

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come see it because it's good work. And every year we do a

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Christmas Carol, and I'm one of
the narrators because the narrators almost have all

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of the best lines, and so
we're having fun with that. And then

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plus you don't have to fiddle with
makeup. No, well, none of

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this now ist makeup, no costumes. We're just doing it now. We

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may go back to a regular production, but I think everyone's enjoying this so

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much that we're trying to find a
reason why we have to fix it exactly.

407
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.559
Wow, that's one. And I'm
a little out of retirement because of

408
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:10.279
our Turtles resurgence because we did the
original voices on the new video game Shredder's

409
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.240
Revenge. Wow. So they actually
reached out and got all four of us

410
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.440
to do it. That's so cool. That was a ball. Wait a

411
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:24.559
minute, whos Shredder? Well else, they didn't do a Shredder but well,

412
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.440
I don't know who did. That's
a good question, because you well,

413
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.200
James is gone. God rest,
James has gone. James was the

414
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:38.119
original. But you know you filled
big literally big feet. They were really

415
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:47.359
good feet and you filled them so
admirably. Get those turtles there you turtle

416
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.599
power shirtle power. That's perfect.
Oh boy, yeah it sounds just like

417
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.079
James. That was the trick.
That was the trick. But you see

418
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.079
you're so damn good at that.
Oh nuts. Well, I mean you're

419
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.160
you just hear something and you can
just emulate it, and I can't do

420
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.719
that. Yeah, it's my thing. My thing is I just use my

421
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:14.400
own voice in about three different ways. And there you go, and look

422
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:19.079
look here you are. Yeah,
that's that's not bad. Yeah. I

423
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.960
got hired from my own voice,
which was really cool. You know,

424
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.840
people say, do Donald Tello and
I just you know, really, you

425
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:32.079
know, I am doing Donald.
Yeah, I e free day of my

426
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.840
life. My wife she knows be
Bobby is different. I don't do b

427
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.159
Bob all the time. There you
go, but it's true, that's a

428
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.159
different guy. Yeah. A couple
of people thought that was me. Oh

429
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.840
I believe that, and I said, no, it wasn't me. I

430
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.480
was who is I Leatherhead and a
few other Oh, Leatherhead was great.

431
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.440
The cage. Yeah, the Cajun
guy. That was so much fun.

432
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.000
I think I've told this before.
I don't want to bore you or anybody

433
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.559
else, but that was I had
this mini philosophy that if you do a

434
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.679
perfect impression if someone no one knows, it's a new character. Great philosophy.

435
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.760
And if you and if you do
a terrible impression of someone that everyone

436
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.679
knows, you can't even tell who
you're doing, that's a new character.

437
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.920
And if, like I say,
if you do a perfect impression, no

438
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.679
one knows his new character. Well, that was my first tugboat. Riverboat

439
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:30.840
Captain Leonsleblon let ahead. That was
the way that he told That's the way

440
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.679
he told lad, and I thought, okay, he sounds like a Cajun

441
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:39.920
alligator, and so I used him
and they went for it. And I

442
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.719
often wondered if like his kids,
because it was like maybe five six years

443
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.039
apart, I was in Hollywood doing
this, and I wondered if his grandkids

444
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.280
were ever going, hey, Grandpa, you want to come in here.

445
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.280
You see this alligator? You know
this guy? You know? You never

446
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.679
know? It'd be kind of fun, That's fine. Was it hard to

447
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:06.440
sing like mel Gibson. Oh no, that was Jess. No, I

448
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.840
was I was powered. I was
singing like Russell means, Russell means right

449
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.920
from Pocahontas. Okay, he's talking
about Pocahontas. Yeah, one of my

450
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:21.400
major motion pictures that I was a
comma in. I think that's that's about

451
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.960
right. But they sold a lot
of records, so that's kind of cool.

452
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.400
Yeah, get a plaque on the
wall. Very cool. Yeah,

453
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.920
nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong
with that. What song was that for?

454
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:37.360
Uh, Pocahontas, Pocahontas as the
river cuts his path, The river

455
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.599
is proud and strong. Mm hmm. Now I'm dying to sing the rest

456
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.960
of it that he is daddy beating
drum. Okay, thanks, it's frankly

457
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.280
one of my favorite Disney scores.
Oh yeah, I think so too.

458
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.719
I love that score. Yeah,
and I liked when they would go back

459
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:59.639
and forth between the settlers and the
native to the chorus is going back and

460
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.599
they were kind of saying the same
things and coming to it from a different

461
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.000
angle. Yeah, it was a
real eye opener. Shorts really used the

462
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.079
musical themes beautifully for both sides.
Oh my god, you know that little

463
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.480
bit of piratey, you know,
Pirates of the Caribbean with the with the

464
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:21.000
white people. Yeah, and then
those wonderful rhythms and then kind of merging

465
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.280
it all in colors of the wind. I just really love that score.

466
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.960
I sometimes just turn it on and
well, you'll get a kick out of

467
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:34.480
this. I showed up one day. It was at Capitol Capitol Records,

468
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:39.920
very iconic recording place, and uh
and Stephen was there, Stephen Schwartz and

469
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.920
Alan Menkin, it was, and
and they were writing the song. It

470
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:52.280
wasn't quite written yet, and they're
sitting there going sandwiches, sandwiches, send

471
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:59.079
out Phyllis Noom and sandwiches, sandwiches. I'll have ham on right, I'll

472
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:04.039
have a tune of fish, but
I still want my ham on right.

473
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:10.159
And it was and I'm going,
okay, I'm surrounded by Academy Award winners,

474
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.119
going said, which is said,
which I said, So this is

475
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.599
how oscars are born. They go, you do it, That's how you

476
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:24.400
do it. So that was that
was like one of my all time favorites.

477
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.039
Cool and then the coolest thing about
it was that I don't think I've

478
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.400
told this on a podcast, but
it's too late. I'm gonna tell it.

479
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.679
When I sang that song as the
Steady as the beating drum, they

480
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.480
didn't know who was going to sing
it, Russell means, wasn't. He

481
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.360
just said, no, I hope
I sound good, you know, blah

482
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.840
blah blah, and so what they
did, and it was so smart.

483
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.440
I just remember thinking this was genius
what they did. There's like a thirty

484
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.679
piece orchestra, so they got a
camera. They set it up right in

485
00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:01.280
the middle of the of the of
the orchestra, violent section whatever, and

486
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:07.119
then the director would look at look
at the camera to cue the singer to

487
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:16.920
come in, and you know,
and he would look right and it was

488
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.280
like he was looking right at me
because because they had the camera, you

489
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.760
know, was saying me the picture
was And it was one of the coolest

490
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.440
sessions I ever did. That's great. Yeah, it's kind of nice.

491
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.800
I'm I'm glad you remembered that for
me. Do you have a musical background

492
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:43.360
er, Yeah, yeah, I
mostly a failed one, but in this

493
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.440
in the sense I mean, I've
had opportunities. I had a hit when

494
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:54.760
I was six years old, really
yeah, because I started when I was

495
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.440
three. Oh, so you were
a seasoned veteran. I was on the

496
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:04.039
Ted Mac Amateur Hour, Okay,
as a singer, not as an actor.

497
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:10.440
So I was on the Ted mac
Amateur Hour and I got seen by

498
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.719
a guy who was the manager of
someone who ultimately became a pretty big pop

499
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.320
star, Connie Francis, and he
had this show in New York called Star

500
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.199
Time, which was all kids,
and kids would do sketches and they'd sing

501
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.960
or dance or whatever they did.
And I turned out, at four at

502
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.519
that point to be the youngest of
the kids, and Connie was the oldest

503
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.360
of the kids. I think,
well maybe not. I think the choreographer

504
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:44.360
was a little older, but she
was like in her late teens and did

505
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:51.559
that show and then got seen by
other people and ended up doing a lot

506
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:58.559
of variety shows as kind of you
know, oh, this guy's unusually strange,

507
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.400
and so so I did. So
I would go on and I would

508
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.480
sing, and I was on the
Milton Burl Show, I was on the

509
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.159
Wo Como Show, the Jackie Gleason
Show. And when I was on the

510
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:16.840
Milton Burl Show, the first time
there was this orchestra leader. In those

511
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:22.199
days, they had orchestras, Yes, and they were doing records and he

512
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:28.400
had just had this kind of hit
record, old fashioned kind of thing.

513
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:34.400
I'm looking over a four leaf clothes
and he was looking for someone to sing

514
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:45.000
a Christmas record, so exactly that. So I got fifty bucks, oh

515
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:51.519
fifty bucks to be the vocalist on
the record. Wow. And I did

516
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:59.360
the record, and I got a
contract with MGM from that record. But

517
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.559
that was the only hit. It
was called Nutting for Christmas, and so

518
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:09.039
it was like kind of that's it
and kind of big, and you know,

519
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:15.320
it's sold a million or so,
and so I got the contract.

520
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.599
They changed the label, which was
very nice because the original label was vocal

521
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.360
by Barry Gordon, but they changed
it to Barry Gordon, which was very

522
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.440
nice. So they gave me the
credit for the record with the art Monion

523
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.920
or rather than the other way around. And then but then it didn't go

524
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:36.239
anywhere. But I kept having record
contracts, I mean I kept doing things.

525
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:37.960
And as a matter of fact,
you mentioned Capital. I had a

526
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:47.840
contract with Capital when I was about
twenty and I two, and I wrote

527
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.360
and sang a whole album at Capital
in that student in the big Capital studio

528
00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:00.880
that you were talking about. Because
everything was live at that point and and

529
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.840
just uh it was fun. But
it never never went anywhere. But yeah,

530
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.360
I kept my kind of musical background
and and that's wonderful. Now I'm

531
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.480
a musical theater junkie. I just
love musical theater. Yeah. Yeah,

532
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:21.159
but you're glad you found the good
old Pasadena. Well, yeah, it's

533
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.159
great and and and it's also a
great place to live. So you know,

534
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:30.960
it's wonderful. It is it's home
and but it's it's been fun.

535
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.239
So every once in a while I
get to, you know, bring the

536
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:37.559
music out. Sometimes even at a
karaoke bar, I get to I've heard

537
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.920
of it, actually bring the music
out. I've heard of them. Yeah,

538
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.400
yeah, well those are good.
Those are good to get the con

539
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.199
out of you. Oh well,
at our conventions when we go to those

540
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.880
and come see us, by the
way, the next one wherever it is

541
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:58.960
not not the karaoke the con by
the way, Yeah what he said,

542
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.360
Yeah, oh my gosh, that's
phenomenal. You may not recover from the

543
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:09.239
carryoka the con yeah, hm hm. So so I'm assuming we're going to

544
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.519
have some together next year, I
would think so. Yeah. Yeah,

545
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.280
the fan boys, Yeah, I'm
a fanboy of them. Well, very

546
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.320
I thank you so very much for
being here. Well, it's great,

547
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.119
it's really great to be with you
the great and thanks for letting me spend

548
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.599
some time with Wait, before we
wrap up, do you mind if I

549
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.320
ask one more question. I'm curious
about the things. So actually it's kind

550
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:36.559
of a two part question. Okay, So being in show business so young,

551
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.920
was your family in show business?
Is that how you got introduced?

552
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.960
No? Not really. Well,
my dad was a radio announcer. Okay,

553
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.119
I lived in Albany, New York
when I was a little kid,

554
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:58.400
and so he was a radio announcer
there at w pt R. And that's

555
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.519
probably how I became musical, as
he used to bring records home and you

556
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:05.840
know, put me asleep to them
and pat me and you know, and

557
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.920
I'd feel the rhythm and I just
started singing. Now this may be apocryphal

558
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:16.199
because you can't go by my memory, but I'm told that I started to

559
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:22.239
singing around nine months wow. Wow. But I do kind of know that

560
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:29.639
once I could walk, I would
walk around to the neighbors. We lived

561
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.119
like in a development, you know, like a courtyard kind of development,

562
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:38.679
and I'd walk around to the neighbors
and I'd sing and wow, and one

563
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.719
of them, I think, and
I still don't know exactly who, but

564
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.360
one of them submitted me to the
Ted mcammateur Hour when they see they went

565
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.559
around the country. So they were
there in what was called the Tri City

566
00:45:52.599 --> 00:46:00.000
area Albany Schenectady in York it was, and so Troy all been he Schenectedy

567
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:07.960
in Troy and so so we just
got this invitation. And in fact,

568
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:12.320
when they when my dad brought me
there, because he asked me, he

569
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.000
said do you want to do it? Because he always asked and he said

570
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.119
you want to do it? And
I said yes, because gosh, if

571
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.880
I could sing for the neighbors,
I definitely like to sing on TV.

572
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.039
So yeah, that's how that,
that's how that started interesting them. That's

573
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.920
incredible And unfortunately, I mean,
you know, I did have a career,

574
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:35.239
but then my dad had gave up
the radio announcing for that and you

575
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.199
slept around with me and then ended
up actually working in the Beverly Hills Post

576
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.239
Office for most of his life.
Interesting because we were you know, it

577
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.880
wasn't since I wasn't on a series
or something. It wasn't like, you

578
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.679
know, oh, you're making all
this money. But it wasn't a big

579
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.920
money. It was you know,
it's just a working actor and almost like

580
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.480
a character actor, but a kid. Yeah, you know, because the

581
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:05.119
kind of things I did, So
I was a working actor. My mom

582
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.559
worked at you know, the department
store, my dad something to office,

583
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:16.320
and and we put it all together
and and they allowed me to build a

584
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.079
kind of a fun career. Yeah, yeah, boy, they sure did.

585
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.920
And speaking of which, then,
how did that lead into what our

586
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.119
other producer, Brendan he's not with
us right now, but he would kill

587
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.599
me if I didn't bring up some
more nin Ninja Turtles type of question.

588
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:37.599
And so I'm wondering what the casting
process was like for that, like anything

589
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.159
else, anything else, Like anything
else, you get a call from your

590
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:46.000
agent, you know, go into
a booth and and do the read.

591
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:52.159
But the only thing that some people
may not know is that everyone who read

592
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:58.760
for the show read for all four
turtles, so you know, and I

593
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.719
have no idea what I did for
Rafael. I'm sure Michaelangelo. I had

594
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.400
played kind of a surfer dude guy
on something, so I did some kind

595
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:15.559
of a surfer dude thing. But
actually when I finished looking at the dialogue.

596
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:20.920
You know, I thought, I
really want Donatello. I don't.

597
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:25.159
I just really I liked him.
I identified for them and I really wanted

598
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.440
him. And then I got the
call and they said, you know,

599
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:32.880
you're don Tello. And they hadn't
made that decision with Leonardo and Michelangelo.

600
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:43.800
So there that happened actually the first
recording session, and it was between Cam

601
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:49.639
and Townsend, and so they said
to Townsend, well you do michael Angelo

602
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:55.320
and Cam you do Leonardo, and
then we'll switch. We'll do another pass

603
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.800
with it reversed. But they never
reversed it. HM and Cam will not

604
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:10.000
let Townsend live that down. He
so wanted Michaelangelo and he will not let

605
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:15.039
him live. Oh no, I
didn't know that. Yes, oh oh

606
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:22.800
he raises it at every panel we
do, Oh my gosh, every what.

607
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.960
But yeah, that's that's how it
kind of happened. What was one

608
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:30.519
of your best memories working on that
show? That's hard. That's hard because

609
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:37.920
it was so it was so I
mean, every day it was a treat.

610
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Every time we were doing the show, it was just it was a

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treat. So it's just so hard
for me to pick out one. You

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know Pat Fraley's improvisations. I mean, how can you pick out one?

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It's like I forgot about it.
Oh my god. I mean, he

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just kept us laughing all the time. And James, you know, with

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his bare big feet because he'd kick
off his sandals, right, he'd always

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recording bare feet. And Peter,
who was splinter in a way. I

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mean he was always so gentle and
so loving and so wonderful. And we

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just saw him by the way.
We just saw Peter and had dinner with

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him. You know, another benefit
of us all being together. You know.

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Now we reached out to Peter on
his birthday and said, Okay,

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we're gonna have a birthday dinner.
That's great, you know. So so

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it's been a great ride and and
the fact that it's continuing it is really

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hard to believe, and it's really
like a dream, but it's but it's

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a wonderful one and I hope I
can do it till I can't do it.

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It's a wonderful time. Yes,
well that's not coming anytime soon,

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hope. Not gonna be seventy five
a month. So yeah, I'm right

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behind you, I know, Yeah, I know. Very good night,

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everybody, were ready. What were
we talking about. I guess we're not

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there yet. Yeah, we're not
there yet, but yeah, it's we're

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on our way. Oh. I
just thank you so very much. Thank

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you, Jim, God blessed,
love you and it's always a pleasure to

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be with you. Oh, thank
you man. All right, thank you

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everybody for watching. That was another
episode of Tuned In with Jim Cummings.

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Pleasure to have you today. Thank
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