Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Geek for his podcast,
the five hundred and ninetieth episode of The Geek. For his podcast,
I'm the King of Agnognous Travis Snail and I'm joined by I'm Little Brother Kirklin
Petzer. I am the Ackerman Taylor Field. Don't come me, don't call
me little, don't call me brother, don't call me Ackerman, Don't call
me Ackerman. Yes, Johan, we are here somehow we talked about before
in the predictions, but we are at the end of the DCEEU. It's
other than a Man of Steel because that hapened twenty thirteen. We've done every
single there's been a review for every DCU. You know, we've seen a
lot of universes stop and start. This is one that you know went on
for you know, good ten years. Twenty thirteen. Man of Steel,
nice little run. And that's why I told tib on the car Kirklam spring
on him. And I don't think del will join for this, but I
think in honor of that, I think in the new year we're gonna do
is. I think we're gonna do a DCEU Golden Geeks to just s full
all just do all like thirteen whatever films. I don't know if you have
the means you have to watch ZAM or not. I don't know if you
do, that's off the tailor if you feel like like, I don't think
he needs to watch it. I don't think it would be any of the
top categories. But I know the rest of you've seen and stuff like that.
But yeah, we're gonna be only a handfield handful of films that actually
would like qualify, right, because it hasn't been all great. Well,
yeah, so thirteen, like is that a positive percentage? I don't know
if it's thirteen, how many films is there? Let me take a look
something around that, though I feel like the majority could be for you.
I'll try to count it out. Let me just pull up my letter box.
Don't do this. Oh no, there's like sixteen films ship WHOA,
Well, technically there might be fifteen because some people count bluebeat On some people
don't. I think we won't for this one. And then technically what no,
there's no a single DCU reference in it, and even gas Batman's always
a fascist. And then technically do you count Josice League and Zach, those
are two separate films, right, but I feel like like nothing from Jostice
League's gonna be in there. So with with If I take that, that'd
be two Hang on one second, so fourteen films in total. So maybe
over the winter break if you want to watch them. I didn't man clear
my schedule start watching DC. Yeah, sure, I just count again.
I was just like some of these movies, you know, But yes,
we'll I think we'll do that. I think that'd be a fun thing,
like because you know, like there's other ones, like the Dark Universe,
Tom Chris, there's other universes that have happened. I think they never got
too big. I transformed as trying with g I, Joe's and stuff like
that. But I just feel like, you know, that'd be a good
way to send it off, to say goodbye to it. Maybe if you
guys want, you can do a little refresher, watch a couple over and
stuff you don't have to go based off memory. But uh yeah, I
think we're gonna do that, and we'll do the whole shebang, best actor,
best actress, best supporting, best team, We'll do theater. We'll
give it a nice big send off until not like it's just send off.
I was gonna say, yeah, just ever, it's just done and what
a road and that I think that's also good to just talk about just the
highs and lows. But today we're just here to talk about the final chapter.
The last movie of this sug of this universe is Aukaman and the Lost
Kingdom. So, ladies and gimen. As usually, we're gonna do our
non sport thoughts. So if you haven't seen this, which probably is a
lot of people, because our theater was very, very empty, very very
quiet. The game right now, I want to pull like, what's the
nine to forty screening doing right now? But while I'm doing that, h
Taylor Field, what is uh? Where can they find us on the social
media's least, tell me can find your inter connection in the search par geek
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and geek Versus is our Facebook. So the ninety one there's two people in
the very back row. I don't know why they're getting on. They're getting
oh you're watching the movie. Yeah, they're gonna climax when that guy yells
at Awkham. At the same time, a man and then other one yell
Arthur. But yeah, so if you are interested, if this is your
first time and you're curious what we thought, like you said, we'll do
that nice big send off to the DCU. But we have a review for
every single film that has come out, so go check that out. And
yeah, you know it was was quite a ride? Was this movie quite
a ride? Who knows? Because we're doing non spoils and we'll get into
spoilers, so h and yeah, me and Kirkle when we were reviewing Rebel
Moon in about twenty four hours, there's tons of good stuff in there.
Me and Kurt, I mean Taylor, Me and Dylan Fuck, me and
Dylan Dyl talk. Yeah, we did nice juicy newscast. We thought we're
gonna be shortges of two of us. We went to fifteen. There's lots
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some fun trest told yous planned and then in February. These guys got Halo
and Last Airbender. I keep for you know what I keep forgetting too fucking
in three hours? What if starts? What if season two start and then
echoes out? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be up probably but uh no,
we watching Roman. But yeah. So there's still tons of stuff.
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pick a lo all the content and finally in with because I think we're gonna
do our m There is probably gonna be the last ever MCU Golden Geeks because
they're gonna be pulling back. We're gonna do this DCU and we have the
regular one. You guys get to vote the winners and losing all that.
So there's lots of good stuff coming up there. So Kirk, are we
gonna say something? Cut you off? I was just I don't even know
if I should say it, but like, are we gonna be doing the
full Twilight? It's the full? I feel like Taylor fully in Dylan,
I don't have definitely in I'm you're in. Come on, if time was
no no factor, well there is no time because we're not leading up to
a new Twilight, so we can take as long as the TV show.
Aren't they doing a TV show? Yeah, I guess I said they were
doing that. You could drop them all in the Patreon and public feeds.
I think there's just things that happened in the later film, So that's what
I was maybe thinking that we we do Twilight and then maybe Banking and keep
it like we do just the patrons first, and then like even if it
was the same for the Batman too, and like like get ready for past
and so retro. You guys just got it. Next time Dylan's on air,
you just be like, you don't want to disappoint your lady, right,
she want us to do them all because we did in the schedule.
Don't even tell them, yeah, just all five weeks, just like what
do we just cancel side Quest It's just replaced with Twilight retros. But yeah,
we do lots of fun things here. So even the first few months
not much going on, but Talfield you should end with you or leaving near
the back half. But you know, we we had I think we all
had a good time with all lots of laughing and chuckling. But the problem
is you never know, like this is a good laughing a bad laughing.
So Tam, I'm gonna start with you. What did you think of Aucaman
and the Lost Kingdom. I? Yeah, I wish I could recall my
thoughts on that first one, because I don't think I've seen Aquaman one since
it came out in theaters. I've only seen it the one time. Wow,
and twenty eighteen. A that's crazy. Yeah, years ago, five
months, stems months from stems from just I guess maybe just my interest in
the character and just what we got in that film. But from what I
can remember, I remember that film being a much more cohesive and more engaging
story from point A to point B. It was much more well thought out,
well written, and just well explored, and the characters were much more
easily to like, connecting, connectable. I guess what I'm trying to say
this, I really had a hard time connecting with the characters, even the
characters that were introducing the first film that were reoccurring. I felt that I
was just not hitting it with them and really interested in them. And that's
a shame because we have that film that established them already and we should have
been able to just pick up where we left off and really run with it,
but that was not the case. There are definite highlights. I think
that there were some very cool sequences. I'd love I honestly would love to
say that I'd love to see James wand do like the Thing or something like
that. I feel like he could nail it just by seeing like some things
in this movie. God, I jumped to Fantastic fours Thing and I'm like,
what you sing, movie, John Carpenter is the Thing. I feel
like there's certain set pieces in this movie that I feel like, Man,
the colorful humor comedy aspect that is blatantly throughout this entire movie is shadow like
shadowing above the small little horror James wand vibes that are that are put into
this film, and I think those those are also comparing that to the Thing.
I'm like, the Thing is not the orful comedy. You know,
those those horror horror vibes that really just kind of like pop out. I
really really like tell how they did them in this film, because, like
I said, yeah, the Thing, I got vibes from that movie.
In certain sequences in this I got vibes from like this gonna sound really weird,
but like World of Warcraft, Wrath of the lich King, there was
some cool vibes coming out of there. I was like, this is really
neat, but I'm driving with it. But yeah, it just felt like
there were familiar beats that were just put in this movie. But like I
said, the comedy was too much, the humor was too much. Just
I felt like you have actors and actresses that were showing up to set,
like to film and they were really giving it there all then other ones weren't.
And then Jason Momo is just on cloud nine throughout this. I feel
like he was just on a trip, Like I felt like he owned this
movie and he was just calling all the shots like yeah, oh well one
take and done. That was fucking great. Yeah, let's do it,
let's do it. Like he was just way too much. Yeah he was
too huge. Just he was too much. Oh really, you got too
much. I think I think he was just too too much, just going
like off the rails. I liked him a lot more on that first one,
and yeah, just he he felt a lot like that that flash end
credit scene version where he's just drinking and he's just crazy and and I mean
I'm gonna I'll quote one of his fucking standout lines and when we get into
the spoilers because it's just oh, I was cringing and laughing when he said.
It wasn't a good laugh. But yeah, I will say though black
mana even better in this one than that first movie. I I really love
black Man. I think out of wow. Uh, I'll reaffirm it with
with our deep geeks golden geeks. Yeah, but I will say at this
point like black Man is my fucking favorite out of these these villains so far.
He's so cool. Yeah, there's a buddy. Don't forget Birds of
Prey as Black Mask, you know, big Black Masks fan, Like when
you know you weren't a fan of I thought I was. I was a
fan. I wasn't a fan of how that ended, but I don't so
that just, oh my gosh, that was terrifying. And I'd say,
like, think about like Zack Snyder's Step and Wolf, that was a big
improvement. Like I think there's a couple. I don't think it's a full
on, like just an easy one. Are you a z odd guy?
And lots of people put thoughts of building odds, like the top tier comic
film of all time. But like I really after the flash, like I
really was driving with Zod again, that was that was pretty pretty good.
Get super Girl, Well, tune in in January. We'll do that.
You know, I'll go leave kirk and Alaska so you know where it is.
And I'll say I'm probably a bit more positive than Taylor, just like
I was in the initial aw Command review, because I think you liked it,
but maybe similar to this, So I'm more positive, but I think
I'm pretty much exactly where Taylor is where this is uh, not exactly a
beat for me, but it's a similar version to the first movie, just
like lesser than the one. Definitely is more coherent. This feels like there's
a lot of collection of set pieces and scenes. But as I said before
and many times, especially with this year, as a person likes combook like
films and combook games, movies and the actual books themselves, this is like
a great Saturday morning cartoon adventure. Like I had fun with this. This
is a movie that, yeah, now in the current age of comic movies,
that people aren't gonna flock out to see. But if you're like,
hey, did you have a good time watching this? Absolutely not, just
because there is some very The best way I could describe it is, I
know people like to say, like all the Venom movies they have that like
two thousands cheese. No, to me, they just had that two thousands
like bad quality this many times the things we laugh about in the rainy era
of Spider Man movies, this has that the same way, where it's just
like certain lines like you're out Norman and that. I don't get me wrong,
those movies are far superior than this one, but I just mean like
there's a certain level of cheese that is good. I don't know if it
works for everybody, and I don't know if it makes the movie even better,
but it makes me enjoy it and I watch it more and I get
a giggle because like, oh, this is really stupid. There's some really
poor there's some poor dialogue in here, and it's it's tough because I think
Momoa and Patrick Wilson, who Patrick Wilson I think is the MVP for me
in this movie. I love Yeah yeah by, but Patrick Gilson just caamem
to deliver. I don't think the writing's the best. I don't think the
jokes that give them are the best, but they they're like they're doing everything
they can to make it work, and I think they have good chemistry,
but I think they just like what they're saying is not it's like a very
fifty to fifty and it's just we also were in a theater where there was
just like seven other people, so maybe I'd love to see this back in
the old days were a full crowd and see what it hit. But it's
very mixed the humor, but it's just the This is definitely just again,
way more of a swashbuckling adventure than the first one, and I enjoyed that.
I think to me, if you loved or liked the first one,
you will enjoy this one knowing it's a little lesser then. But I think
that's kind of okay, especially it's the last one. We're not setting up
a third one or whatever. It's just just on a basis of did I
have a good time? I did. Would I watch this again? Yes,
because I like Momoa. I think, like Taylor said, uh,
he went full Momoa here, and I think that was maybe a little too
much. I think it's different and fast, and furious because he go Momoa,
but there's like an evil slant, so there's a little bit different here.
You can see him like aggressively from BVS to now just more and more
evolve into Jason Momo. And I think like the first Aukaman was the perfect
bounce of you know, he was a bad ass, but I had like
that charming stuff where this he's just it doesn't and that's sometimes him, but
it just feels like he's ad libbing a lot in here, and some works
and some doesn't. She's like, oh this is this isn't Arthur, but
like that's Arthur now, you know so, And it's not even like a
big hill to time because like I like Momoa, so it works for me.
There's just definitely times where it takes out where it just feels like all
these people are just they're having a good old time on this movie set,
getting paid millions thousands of dollars just to be doing all this shit. But
visually James want I'm gonna miss when he goes back to Horror because I think
with this in the first one, I love the color palettes and the worlds
that him and his team do. I love we Takas all the time where
you look at the marvels where he had pree largely just this caution. Then
the red it's like you barely see in the blue. It's like James was
like, you know that saturation turn up to a thousand, and I dig
it. Like these bright greens, these bright blues, these really bright reds.
Like even fucking black Man has this watch, which makes no sense because
he's in like a fucking villains a watch, but the watch is like red
and it's really bright. It's like everything feels that's I love about it.
Visually, it feels like a comic book. It feels like when you open
up just these panels, like it's always a smorgas board. So that's why
for me, it's kind of this. It's no organ near this level,
but it's the same way where people want to feel bag on Dark Knight Rises
and I always go out because of Nolan's like filmmaking craft. That movie is
above so much else. This is not the same level as that, but
there's just so much good visuals in here where it brings it up. But
like let's say, if I give this movie the score, the same score
from a lot of other movies, the visuals and just what's going on.
Even some on the fight in the choreography is like it pushes it above.
So I had a good time with it. I definitely will watch this thing
with the kids. I think we'll have a fun time. I think that
families and stuff will enjoy it if they go out and see it. That's
a big if. But so I enjoyed it. It's a lesser than a
venture than the first one. The story's not as deep, the characters aren't
as deep, but it's just it's a good time and that's all I'm looking
for with this. And I don't know when we get another Aquaman. And
and I of course have some cons that are like, you know, bigger
ones, and there's some stuff that were maybe it's too cheesy that it is
deserving to be a con, but uh yeah, that's that's my thoughts.
If you like the first one, I think you would enjoy this. I
don't think it's a massive step down or anything. So mister Patt, there
you go. Yeah, I really really really liked that first Aquaman movie.
I felt like I was surprised by how much I did like it, like
coming out of it and this one, like heading into it very very low
hype. I feel like I'm kind of similar, Like definitely I like the
first one more than this one, but I'm still impressed with how much I
liked it, considering like where my hype was at, I think like my
enjoyment level compared to like my thoughts on the quality of the actual film and
story is like pretty skewed. Actually, I don't really think this will be
one I revisit too much, just because I don't know that there's not too
much that really pulls me in. I think the big standouts for me is
kind of what you're saying about, just like the world design and like just
the design of certain characters, costumes, the area that we well spoiler alert,
the Lost Kingdom. I feel like it just it looks fun for me,
it looks it looks sweet. I really really like the design of it.
And the other standout is just the relationship amongst Aquaman and and the Ocean
Master Patrick Wilson. I don't know, I just feel like from the trailers
it was like okay, yeah, that this will be this will be okay
to have these two together, But like I really really enjoyed those two I
really like my saturational limit on Jason Momoa is just exactly where I thought it
was going to be, heading to this one where it's just like I'm just
I don't even want to say, like I'm not impressed by this guy anymore,
but it's just like, I don't know, I just feel like he
doesn't really he doesn't really move the needle much for me. I know what
I'm getting, So that's kind of fun. I feel like some ridiculous moments
happen around him that made it funny. But you end up I was gonna
say, because where you are now going forward? Are you more interested in
him leading vehicles? Are you more interested of? Obviously he's not gonna be
Awkaman and Jason like Justice League, But is that the baramra where you want
it? You'd rather see him in an ensemble? Maybe? I feel though,
like I'm almost like a Buddy Cop movie, which is I guess this
kind of was though right, this was a yeah, And like, I
just think he's gonna be Mamoa in anything like that, Like an ensemble,
It'll be like an ex Expendables type thing, where like all those characters are
just playing characters of themselves essentially, So I just I don't know, Like
I don't even want to say it's bad. It's just I don't really get
I don't get too much from it anymore. I kind of mentioned that when
we were doing our predictions, just my thoughts on the one, that's exactly
kind of how I felt around it. Like I feel like a lot of
the jokes and humor that they're actually going for in the film, they really
just didn't hit for me at all. Like I think there's a lot of
moments, even just amongst the three of us, it's just like an obvious
joke would be on with like a fish person or something and just we're like,
we have no reaction. Yeah, but then there's something else that happens
later on that's just absolutely ridiculous. I don't know if they're actually going for
a joke, but holy fuck, we were laughing pretty hard there. It
was reminded me of a bullet bullet train in certain moments. But but yeah,
like I still think this was I enjoyed it more than what I was
expecting, So that's great. And yeah, I'm not gonna miss this world
too much, like I said, like I probably I'm not racing to rewatch
this one. I definitely think that I will at some point though, just
because, like I said, like I did like the design of the places
that we went to, and yeah, Black Manta, I I haven't really
been talking about him too much just because it was I don't know, I
don't think there's much more to say than he was just he was just fantastic
and definitely a step up from the last film. It seemed like he had
some some extra, some extrah to his motivation this time around. He definitely
was out for blood and revenge, and I think he I think he was
pretty scary. I did want more of like, yeah, I'm not gonna
say anything, I don't care whatever we're like, they do have a fucking
trope that movies keep doing. Then I'm just sick and tired and it just
makes the villains like a little less interesting. I really hope MSU going forward
James the DCU and we'll get to and spoils me. It will be the
first thing. I'm just tired of this trope of we already have this villain
a great character and that, Oh, but there's this other thing that's happening
with them. They're like, oh, no, like they just get a
little wooden, you know, they just get a little like it's just like
so. But hey, next time we see the Aya will be in the
MCU so and wonder man. Remember if that show. Hell, he's out
in furios so, right, that'll be next time we see him. No,
he didn't really he dropped out of that. Oh no, okay,
you did you see you here? It comes? Were you surprised you didn't
see in the trailer? No? I feel like I just looked like google
him lately and I saw his name attached to furiro so something he was.
But yeah, it's unfortunate. He's great, though. I want to see
him in a lot more things. Candy man, he was fantastic, one
of the best of the world. That Black Mirror episode. Did you watch
that one? No? Never seen? Oh man, it's him and Anthony
Mack. It's a really good one where they get put into like a video
game per se. Okay, I've seen the memes about out. Oh you
know what happens in that episode? But want to keep one of them wants
to keep playing and then oh, it's he's the one that's obsessed and just
wants to keep playing it's Oh no, it's it's great. He is one
of our most talented actors right now, underutilized because he's not in enough.
We got to see him in more things. I think you're just not seeing
things like last year. Last year he was in a roster movie like Born.
It's good. I can't even remember the title of it, but it
was a good movie. It was great. But for for yeah, for
Lost Kingdom, I think this is it's not like a like a major's like
I don't know, right, Uh what am I looking for? Poetic?
Maybe into the DCEU, But it's just like, yeah, okay, we're
done with it. We can close that chapter, yeah and move on.
So yeah, I don't really know what else to say. That spoilers All
right, let's get into spoilers. So we're gonna take your ad break.
So if you are planning and see this movie, you're waiting for a max
and you'll come back, you know, come back, it will still be
here. The episode will be here months years later whenever that is. So
we'll take our first ad break. Then we'll get a spoiled so we will
be right back and we're back. So yeah, I wanted to start with
Blackmanton because one I feel like a little bad for him in Randall Park,
where you're in a like we'll get to Randall Park, but I just mean
like, no, no, no, it's not where you think I'm going.
I mean the sense where you there's a billion dollar film and you're gonna
be in the sequel and you must think, oh, I'm gonna have bigger
role in the sequel, like I'm gonna have so much eyes on me,
and then obviously the movie is doing what it's doing right, it's gonna bomb.
So it's like I feel bad for them because I like them both and
they have a lot more roll. My issues with Yah Yah is great and
never see he isn't great. He's intimidating. But I think my issue is
they do the fucking thing where they did it with Hawke Guy and they do
with other villains they did with Scarlett Witch where he's already a bad guy,
but then what happens he gets possessed by like a bigger, badder thing.
So that's my problem with a lot of this movie. He just becomes stonewall
bad guy and it's tough because you have him and then you have him as
the Stonewall bad guy, and then also when he's in the black Manta suit,
which is fucking looks even better in the suits one of the coolest comic
book creations ever, like and James Want has done a fantatic and the whole
crew that thing looks just fucking awesome. It looks so cool, the action,
the shots, like the bred eyes, everything, it's so cool.
But the problem is, like he's in the action scene, he has that
helmet on, so I felt like he was in it more. But I
feel like we didn't get We didn't get as much as I wanted. I
always heard, oh man, he's gonna be the main villain of the sequel.
I'm really happy about this, and it just still feels like I was
waiting for that, you know, I just I wanted more stuff. I
want to even like I seene a dialogue with between him and Arthur, which
every time they just see each other just like, let's fucking fight, and
it's like, I get it, I understand, but it's it sucks because
I feel like he has enough motivation to be that fantastic villain in this movie,
just from what happened in the previous film. Like you don't even need
him to be possessed by the Black Briden in order to he doesn't change mad
and burning down Atlantis, like that is his motivation from the start of the
movie before he even gets it. But on the other hand, like I
do kind of like the mythos maybe like the lore of the Black Trident and
this thing. Oh but again, I was getting major just flashes to Lord
of the Rings throughout this film for multiple reasons, but specifically like sourn just
like you're mentioning his screens alluding to you got the lich King just frozen and
ice possessed seeing this guy with with the trident, uh, way on the
other side of the of the world. So I did like that aspect,
But then I think, like the mixing up of the two is just it
wasn't too It wasn't too great because even like later on Randall Park was saying
like, oh, yeah, he's going so extreme now because the Black Trident
is possessing him. But it's like it's not even like he was a good
guy. And then and then like that's what happened. It's just not multiplied,
I guess. And then later on he's starting to talk as like the
individual, which was confusing. Oh, Taylor, were you confused when he
threw down Auckaman and he's like, oh my brother's armor and stuff. Were
you confused at all when that was happening. I'm trying to remember the scene.
It's when they're fighting in that mid fight, he throws Achaman down on
the ground, and the the like the Sarron guy, the you know,
one of their great uncles whatever. He fully takes over black Man and he
starts talking at his as as him. But I was so confused the moment
because there's like it wasn't like a big and then he was that guy.
They were just fine then, always just like oh my brother's armor was looking
good on you or something like your blind brother turn green? I imagine that's
usually this, yeah, but he had the huge helmet on, so I
can't see that. It was just so. And that's where there's stuff pacing
wise where it's odd And I'm with you, Kirk, where I'm fine with
the lower in the power. Give him all the powers, make him souped
up. That's fine. They just didn't like it was just like, guess
what he's bad now he's more bad. Like I still feel like from the
first one and the little bit of this movie before he got possessed, I
would have believed he would have done all these things. But they almost are
trying to make it seem like because he's possessed, he's going to the the
big degree. And then I was like, okay, I guess at the
end they're gonna redeem him, right. I thought it was gonna be Aquaman
Orm because I hate that they the blood happens, we'll get to but they
like this blood splashes, and that is to unlock this whatever what do they
call him? There was like a cool name whatever the arsaar on here he
was. I know, he's like the uncle. But like the whole thing
is they need a blood line from you know, Arthur Orm, Nicole Kivin.
You know that they need that to unleash this, right, And I
thought one point they weren't gonna do that, and then the blood hits and
starts their unbreak. I was like, oh fuck, they're gonna do this.
We're gonna fight this cool villain. No, of course, Arthur just
throws this fucking try and then the villain just dies. Like okay, they
did like a fake out, but I thought they're going I thought they're trying
to with this whole possession. I'm like, okay, it's gonna be a
moment where it's them versus the Eels are on ORMs down, Aucaman's down.
What happens next? And then black Man is gonna make the save because they've
been setting up. Hey, you know, he's maybe a bad guy,
but he's not this bad. What does he do at the end? Now
he just kills himself because he doesn't want to even touch Aukaman. Yeah,
like so it's just like, what was the point? Like, I don't
think black Man did need to be redeemed, but if they would have redeemed
it him, Okay, that's the story. I get it that they're trying
to show he wasn't that bad and he went too far and he's gonna try
to like change his course of action. But no, he was still like
a piece of shit guy, Like he he tried to fight Aucaman after I
kicked his assid and yeah, the Auckaman goes to take his hand and then
he says never and he kicks off, Which was the funniest part because he
kicks off and it felt like there's this rock too early because it hit him
and his body hold it like he was on purpose. It was just funny
way and it just like yeah, and with this being, uh, the
last I'm kind of just happy it's that way. Even though this movie between
the un and him doing the way has massive like black Panther vibes. They're
obsessed with coming out. Black mant is like kill Monger where he kills himself
right because he doesn't want to go to a prisoner, Like, there's so
many allusions to that. So yeah, the I don't know, I wish
they didn't do the whole possession thing, just keep it at whatever. So
but then you don't get the last City, so you like kind of have
to have it in there, right unless you just somehow make it like the
Assessment finding maybe like the Source of the Black tried it. Yeah, I
guess I think they just could. It's weird because they do this thing where
they got to do this heist to get this whatever AWC you come power whatever
the fuck. It was like it literally was coming like and literally they had
like this. I laughed because like the name was like or Treo come.
It was like see you. It was like, oh, okay, or
come yeah, but it was just you're on the lum between the sea.
L No, it was just come and I was like, what am I
seeing here? Like that's what, like it is some purpose. But it
wasn't said exactly like that. I don't think you said it correctly, but
it was yeah. But either way, they set this up. They need
this thing that's gonna like it can cause global warmings. There's so much fucking
just like shitting here, okay, whatever, but they set this thing up
where they're like, we gotta be really careful because they got lots of security.
They're trying not to make you think they're hoisting Atlantis. Of course they
are, and that's the big refee, like, oh, they're in Atlantis,
and they're like, don't get caught because we can't fight them off because
it's literally black Man with these two ships and then his one big ship.
First of all, they fight off Atlantis pretty fucking well for like a full
fifteen minutes, like it's the whole army. But that's where I thought that
they could easy one. Okay, let's say if they fucking got bopped,
that's where he would realize, Okay, we need to unlock that fucking chadow
King or whatever, and he'll help us take it all down because I can't
do it without him, you know. And I think they're trying to go
for that, but it was unclear. So yeah, you could still have
that king in there and just say, hey, black man is not strong
enough to do this on his own. He's gonna get this fucking the greensaw
On and fucking mega powers, you know. But it's just so they make
it muddier that it has to be for this movie, you know. Apparently
so Neckris, which I thought was the villain's name. Apparently that's the city
of the Lost Kingdom, right. The villain's name is Mango, which I
do not remember hearing that at all. Mongo like a mango to me?
No me neither. I again, like, I don't think I ever heard
them say it like that. Maybe they didn't Longo come and del lunger in
accent on it. But yeah, getting to the end, I was I
was hoping that Arthur was going to extend the hand there because shows obviously the
growth of his character from the last movie, which he did. And then
remember it's spits on him, just kicking the shit. Yeah, what does
he say your soul belongs to the seas or asked the seas friggins or whatever
something like that. Yeah, And so I was I don't know, I
was hoping that he takes the hand there, but obviously it shows that he
still has that residual hate for him, but which I guess does make sense
for that character because even without the black Trident, like he was still just
super super pissed off at Auquaman and all of Atlantis, which again speaks to
like maybe he didn't need to have the extra evil motivation. I don't know.
I just think it's messy with what they did there because it it isn't
exactly clear when the position is happening. That's why, like when when he
has that moment of like, you wear my brother's armor, and it's like
we're confused because we don't fucking know, like because he seems just as evil
as he was at the end of the last movie, right, So yeah,
is messy in that sense. So the juggling of it was definitely just
messy all all across the board. And I don't know, there's something else
I was gonna mention there, but then I start talking about Mango. There's
a lot that's what you can't say, like this movie is a movie.
It's a fucking stuffed movie. Like there's lots of things going on here.
You get your price of admission there. Like it's not which might be a
bad thing. You could probably just strip a few things and make it a
bit better. But did you have any issues with I did like him being
semi possessed or were you all for that? Where were you? I didn't
have a problem with it because I felt like he was still himself and he
was just kind of riding off of this this high, like he said,
I'll make a deal with the devil if I can still get what I want,
that's to kill Aqua Man, And so I felt like he was still
his very own person. He was just associating with this demon neckrel being or
whatever. But I think I thought I thought the necrol being was pretty cool.
But it would have been much nicer to Sement to really just be on
his own two feet because he was working for m in the first movie,
and then here he's worked and for this necro guy, so he really doesn't
have that opportunity to just be on his own. And you get that at
the beginning of the movie because he's doing his own his own ship and he's
got his own expeditions looking for Atlantean tech, which I thought, Okay,
this is pretty cool. His suit's damage, he's trying to figure out a
way to repair it, and then he finds the Holy Grail to repair it.
So uh yeah. Overall, like I said in my nonspoilers, I'm
happy to see more of him here than the first one. So yeah,
I gotta do an edit here because it's definitely not Mongo. I don't know
where the fuck I read that the villain's name was King Kordax, which I
definitely record acts. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck I read initially,
but there you go, like that sounds so weird. I don't know.
I feel like I would have remembered if the big bad villain Sauron character
was just named Mongo. Mongo's free Yeah, we would have the name of
the gingerbread from Shrek two going Mongo. Ah. Well, just because I
don't want to forget about it, and I know we're like this movie is
gonna be all over. We're not going in order, so just buckle up.
You have to see the movie, or you're just with us, so
you have fucking you know ya ya, we've talked about him and he has
this team in and then they got this recurring thing of the whole movie where
Randall Park just appear out of nowhere, but the audio is always in the
exact same spot too, like picture round. So people that don't know,
I had to throw up a picture of a woman bind a tree spy on
people. Because so the first time they do this, they're establishing again where
the Yaya's look in the mirror. Black Man is looking in the mirror and
in his reflection he sees King Mongo, you know, and they're talking and
everything like that, and he's just like, yeah, yeah, the best
You're gonna kill him all, Like you're so hard right now. Like he's
just like problem. I'm like, we'll take it all down. And then
behind like in the corridors because Yaya has left. Yeah, black Man is
obsessed with leaving his fucking door open to his room all the time. And
it's like, so his door's open and in between the hallway there's like a
little corner of a wall and it's always it's always Randall Park doing like he's
just like half his face he's like looking is like looking over and then they
shoot back to yah Ya and he looks mad. They shoot back to randomly's
scared, and then a door closes. They do that three fucking times,
I could, like, especially near the end. The best cut was near
the end. After he kidnaps the baby, Randall Park doesn't know what is
going on, so he's in the hall and he looks in this room and
it's just black man is standing on this baby with a knife. And then
just like it's literally something you would have you like, we can't do a
justice, but we are dying laughing because it was just it's weird because like
he is in the hallway, but also didn't seem that far like it did.
It literally just felt like you're in your bedroom watching TV and like your
parents with the door frame, like it did not seem Yeah, he's gonna
see dude. And he saw him every fucking time, like it wasn't like
a oh, he saw him, and then Randall Park like scurried away to
like give some information. Every time, Yayo says like what the fuck are
you're doing? And then the door like it was fucking like Yayo was kind
of looking like this every time, you know, you know, the Emperor
from the Marvels. But my god, it just that was definitely unintentional,
I think. But I just fucking that killed us. Oh yeah, that
one got me every time, like more and more so. But I still
think my favorite one was the first initial one because up until this point,
like Randall Park's character like the doctor, I don't even remember what his name
was, but he like he was Jimmy Woo. He was a little regretful
maybe of some of the inclusion of everything that was going on, but he
didn't really know the full extent. And then he and then yeah, the
first time he peeks in there, Yahya's literally having a full on fucking dialogue
with sour On. And then from his perspective, I imagine he didn't see
the smoke, so it's literally just ya ya like saying that he's gonna take
over the world world like into a mirror, like really intensely right out of
himself. And then and then like the smoke fades away and he gets all
the perplexed looks over. You got Jimmy wo just standing there terrified, like
fuck man run away in that instance, like oh and then yeah, he
gets himself caught two more times. But again, why would yeah, yeah,
just keep his door open if he's uh not wanting to share his secrets.
Oh yeah, he's talking to some fucking entity. Like definitely close your
door now, you know, Like this is the time, like every time
I take a phone call, I go in the other room, you know,
but like especially if I'm talking to an evil entity, like I just
take that call on the bridge and the movie that's where we can't do justice.
The movie is full of moments like that where it's like, yes,
is this intentional as not? I think majority of them are not intentional.
I think it is just like a all this but it's just the framing of
it or whatever the dialogue is in the moment of it, like there's too
much a name, but that one definitely stuck out of like geez it was
it is something? Yeah. No, there's many of those moments littered threat
and like for me, those were almost my most enjoyable moments of the movie.
That's why it's gonna be interesting giving this this movie a number rating on
just judging for like the quality of it, but also just my enjoyment,
because you know, you got to factor that in there. I definitely had
a good time with this. Yeah, if I saw it alone, maybe
not so much. And I think a lot of those moments definitely just go
around Jimmy I he's gonna call him Jimmy. But Randall Park, I think
they give him a lot of dialogue and a lot of stuff that just is
is real cheesy, real hard to deliver and good on him. And I
like Randall Park more than from when the First Aquaman because like he was in
it and just like he's been so much now since then, but he was
doing his best. But it's just like I don't even know if he had
Daniel day Lewis our retirement, if he can like sell some of the stuff
he's saying, because it was there's It was also funny because his character,
like he he's shown to have like a moral compass and like wants to kind
of get out of that situation. You know, even asked I forget.
The dialogue goes exactly, but he's but black He's basically having like conversed with
Black Manta about like backing out of this is the whole plan, and then
he's like would you let me even And then he's like, yeah, no,
the door's right there if you have to go through that fucking murderous jungle
and Jurassic Park. It was so fugging weird. It's like there's supposed to
be like because the shot is like, yeah, you can leave, and
then like her and saying, there's like a wide shot of like a cave
and then it's like an opening and there's some trees and you just like and
like things like animal noises, but it's really off in the distance. You're
just like, okay, like what the fuck's going on there? Like I
get it's like some sort of animal. I thought there was supposed to be
like some scene when it helped. It's not like the lacking cgi budget,
they fucking see like ten thousand giant grasshoppers. So it was just it was
very odd like a way of a threat, and it just it reminds me
of that like the Black Manta you're wearing my brother's armor moment of like what's
what's going on here? Like I get it, but it felt awkward in
the moment. So like from that point it almost seemed like Rantal Park,
like like almost a prisoner of like Blackmantha, But there's also so many moments
later on when like he's not really directly like threatened by Blackmantha at any point,
I feel like, sorry, even leading up to the climax, he's
in one of those like fucking octopus ships that I feel like at any point
he can just hit reverse and back the fuck out of there, but he's
like still like kind of on the side, so it was kind of like
hard to judge of, like I don't know, maybe he is scared,
but also I just feel like he's he's in a good enough opportune moment to
just get the fuck out of there go join Yeah Atlantis, because that seems
like what his motivation was, So I don't know, I didn't fully buy
that he was he was only there because he was forced when I thought many
times he could have gotten out of that situation. Well, and there's stuff
too where like he bumps into the characters in the middle line I thought always
because he proves that he's a good guy, like proves that he's not a
bad guy, and they kind of believe him, and I'm like, Okay,
he's gonna be with them now, But then he's not, Like the
next time we see him, he's back with like the Black Manta Gang.
And same thing too when they've kidnapped the baby, which is just it's such
an odd scene. They kidnapped this ba because like we talked about where they
got to have blood, and that's where, oh, look, get the
baby to use his blood to open up the you know, King Mondo there
and the thing is where I thought I was choking, but I wasn't there.
He's carrying around this bag and I guess they were insinuated that the baby
was just like in this backpack. So at one point, Randall Park hands
the backpack to fucking black Man and he just holds up like a backpack and
then zips it. There's a bomb in there. It's a trick, but
it was just the funniest thing of like they they think this baby's literally in
the backpack, and then the baby's just off in the snow somewhere. It
was it was odd because I did say where is this baby? And I
guess it was just hanging out. So and I didn't really fully understand why
Randall Park was like the babysitter in that situation, Like if this is black
Mantha's most important item on this big quest that he's on and then he has
like his least loyal member that's like super super flaky. Oh yeah, no,
you're gonna ride with the baby? Like that doesn't make any sense to
me. I feel like Blackmanther would have just had the baby with him in
that instant. I guess, gotta give it to the higher paid actor.
I guess, yeah, And I guess because he's like the scientist character.
But it's like it's pretty self explanatory. The whole thing is just go like
get some blood on this stone thing, you know, like it's it's it's
I don't know. I thought it was kind of odd and maybe I guess
he didn't see all the stuff of that character, did right, he didn't
know? But yeah, and like I had luck. I'm sorry, but
like I couldn't like I didn't even remember. This was the first time we
called that shot. People have to look live. I thought it was a
Zuma where he looks behind him, but literally it's him in the mirror.
And then you just see Rando Park's reflection there like just just like just his
head poking on. Oh my god, just such good stuff. He's watching
you beat off and then it's like check out Sulburn. Yeah, so that
character was just all, oh, that's the same too, right, trying
to get back to the baby backpack when they get to the King and he's
like this is magnificent. Like he looks like he's like fully him again,
you know, like he's I'm all down to do this mission. And yeah,
he was as much as I like Randall Park. I just wonder if
there's a movie of like there. I think there's definitely a script where you
just entirely cut up that character or reduce it, and you could have like
you don't really need a doctor type character after they find the actual like uh
like objects, right, yeah, just have them have the fucking King mon
visions say, or not even King Mondo in like whatever, could like I
need a blood line of this, like you don't need Random Park to tell
you that. Yeah, no exactly, or just a fucking another no name
doctor type character like he had a few on his payroll, I'm sure.
And there was like a bunch of lackeys that that were pilot piloting piloting some
of the their ships that like they didn't really I don't even know if they
said words really other than like get to your stations, Battle stations, so
or that fucking lady when the whales came, Oh my, oh fuck.
So many of those moments that just really got me throughout the film that like
it again, it's hard to kind of recount now for like to give them
justice. I mean, you know, you kind of have to be there
in the moment. You got to be there in the moment. It's just
There's and his fucking teeth that was getting me early on. He had some
big chompers out there in this one. He was showing off those pearly whites
big time. So what is going on? And he was looking like Travis
in that one. Cass, what the hell am I doing here with the
baby? It's just downing Guinnesses all night, Taylor. When you were getting
water was a mass in the background watching like that, watching you get water.
Yeah, watch you get water? Like she creeps into my podcast room,
she does. Yeah. Anything to add on Random Park's character, Taylor,
I thought he was he was hilarious and intentionally, I don't think he
was intentionally trying to be I just wanted to confirm yet, Yeah, he
was definitely not intentionally trying to be hilarious, but he it was. It
was a surprise. I don't know if did they announce he was in there?
If they did, I totally forgot. Well he's in the first one?
Is he in the first one? Holy shit? I forgot. It's
because that's when he was like, no, it's trying to be mean saying
nobody, but like he was not established, like he was on the interview,
he was on the MCU. He's not in what was that? Oh?
What was that movie he did with Ali Wong that had Keanu Reeves?
Remember there was a big woop date one too? It was a wrong clicks.
Yeah, right, Yeah, he's built up quite a good little resume
since twenty eighteen. So that's why it's been It's been five fucking years,
you know, like that like that, like as we always talk about on
the newscasts, but like fucking same thing with Avengers. It's been five years
now, So no, a command's more than I was twenty eighteen. That
was what was that? No? It is five? Okay, it is
five. Yeah, So never mind I was wrong. What the fuck am
I doing here? But still five years, half a decade, he's a
much bigger start now than he was there. Yeah, that's that makes sense
then, yeah, not really knowing who he is then and knowing who he
is now in comparison all the projects so very cool though he is in the
first one to get another reason, I'm gonna have to rewatch it. But
yeah, this one, I just he was making me laugh. Just the
different things he was doing was just comedic and not in a non intentional way.
But yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's just poor writing with
his character. I guess they could have done a little bit better with just
kind of giving him more purpose. And I feel like things are just very
expedited because when that he goes they the moment where the thing scene is going
on and they kind of clashed down into the arctic crevice and the snowmobile machine
falls an injury at all too the one guy gets injured, the one guy
gets his leg injured. He does Randall park do like he just he just
immediately gets up and just goes like to the the ice wall to see what's
what's in there, like just you just try to save the guy. Yeah,
he was curious, curious, but yeah, like I don't have much
else to add. He was just he was there, he was creeping around
that fucking corner multiple times, and yeah, while you're gone. Me and
Kirklam both agreed with this. Do you think there's a versions movie you just
cut that character out completely? Pretty much? I think you could successfully cut
him out of the movie. Now if you do that, you run the
risk of him not knowing where this transmitter is to find the Black Trident,
And I guess just that, But I feel like Kirkland said, like,
you just have one side character do that, and once he gets the Black
Trident, you just have King Mongol the whole time, give him like instructions,
like because he's like magic, right, so you just say, oh,
you gotta go here, you gotta do this. You know. It
almost could have been more interesting too, because we might have been able to
see a lot more like back and forth amongst Blackmanta and and Mongo and then
like maybe even seeing like that struggle that yeah, Yeah's character would have been
going through. Then that could have been a lot more interesting, no than
my god, And then yeah, we we pivoted because you could back.
But yeah, there's this moment where I don't know what the fuck's like.
They it's it's it's jargon. It's not needed. They tubble this whole plan
where it's like, oh, the bad guy submarine have these sonic like what
are they like, uh, what's the technical term sonar? Like sonar is
popping off right, And then they're just like, well we gotta do I
got the right thing. What are you trying to say? So because remember
when Mamoas explain the whole plan where like they have a sonar, but if
we make like a bigger sonar, No, that's not what sonar like detection.
Yeah, but that's what I mean. So what was the thing?
I know? So it's like a high frequency thing like yeah, disorients And
they just do this thing where they explain where they're shooting out some high frequency,
so we need to create a higher frequency. So momoa, someone's ald
these whales and really you don't need to do that. Just have fucking whales
come and destroy the ship like they they spend two minutes discussing like this plan
and really like, well they couldn't destroy this ship, remember because they did.
Arthur, Well that's just it, and they fucked this up because that's
what I was thinking. Mira steps up and says, no, we can't
destroy the ship when fucking I no, no, no, no. It
was like, let's just destroy the whole ship with our fleet overwhelmed doors and
so Mira's like, no, Arthur Junior not now with other Junior out there,
so they're not going to destroy the ship. But what happens they fucking
blow it up. Don't make that play like, just make it like,
oh Man just left the ship, like just like the whole like having Momoa
have this moment to explain, which, like I feel like they did a
It's strange that he still was king at the end because the whole movie's about
how he's a terrible king. And even though we didn't want to do it,
he kept saying that the Ocean Master all he wants is to be king
again. He's like, oh, I hate this, but we'll get to
Ocean Masters ending because that was fucking amazing. But like the whole movie,
to me, they show like, yeah, ORMs should definitely still be the
king, Like I think the we're gonna get back to you again, which
I'm all over. The first five minutes of this movie is a complete ripoff
of Thor Ragnarok. Remember when Thor ragnrocks and the Jail Sunde. He's like,
oh, I did this, and then I lost my I lost my
Hamma, and then I do He's doing like, oh, well, then
I became the king of that just don't had a baby, and now I'm
a dad and now I'm kicking ass like you had that whole thing, and
I don't care what anyone says. Thor, Ragnarok, Thor and this Aquaman,
same person, same character, they have that exact vibe going on.
And that's why to me, it's like the whole movie. For the most
part, ORMs like showing him up and there's like a few moments that Mama
gets. But I feel like that's what they're trying to do. It's like,
no, just make them be like the badass and stuff. But what
I was gonna say, so the whales had a few things. There's so
many fucking things here. The whales. They some of these whales, and
yeah, they just get the shaw. This actress, she just like turns
in fear and looks at the window and then she says some line like this
isn't good and then the whales fuck her up. But it was just the
moment you had to see it. Back to what Tay was saying, though,
multiple times they show Dolph Lunger and who we will refer to it a
few times. Dolph Lungern in this movie is completely inaudible. You cannot understand
seventy five to eighty five percent of his dialogue. And it's not like a
Christopher Nolan mix where it's so loud. It's just like it'd be like,
oh no, I think the King the mom and then like he he You'll
catch one word and it's just because his accent way he speaks is just so
thick. All of my favorite moments is when they're like in doing like the
big battle at the end. It's like fucking Battle of Helm's Deep and he
comes in and he's like a leader, so it's like a big general company.
He's like no, and then he just goes off and imagine one of
the soldiers and be like, what the fuck do we do? What did
he say? There's there's one time that that he crashed in. I just
heard him say baby, but he's like, ohn't know burber and then like
what the fuck is he saying? Like what is going on the whole movie?
And I didn't have the problem the first movie, but in here it
was it was tough. But to that point, there's two times where they
get the coordinates, they don't know Orm or Arthur are fine, and he
just says fire free will he well he I did catch that line, but
he tries like he tries to say that. But so on the island,
they're just bombing, like they're king he could be in this. Fucking this
is gonna be like collapsing on And then at one point they're talking about their
battle plan and I think Mayra or Arthur bring up, oh what about Arthur
Junior? And then he just says like, oh, well, it doesn't
matter. We have to do this. Like he's just fine with sacrificing his
grand Like he gives no fucks. He's just there for the fight. You
know. It's it's just a strange character. I was surprised that he was
because they show him, but I was surprised how much he was in it.
And yeah, he gives no shits about his grandson or his son in
law. He's just trying to like bomb them or put their lives at risk.
You know. I kind of wish Orm left them there. And that
was one of my favoritees moments in the entire fucking movie. Especially just like
this fucking guy that's just like been hating on Orm this whole time, and
he's like he doesn't trust him. He doesn't even give him a gun,
right, he gives him a little hand axe. You get this moment where
I feel like, yeah, Orm is like he's like he's the betrayer I
guess of the last film, so we should kind of see him as negative.
But like even when Arthur like first gets him out, he's still like
super loyal to the whole idea of Atlantis, and he's like, as soon
as we're done, I'm gonna surrender myself. Like like he's just super honorable
and he doesn't really show any evil like bad guy tendency is more like,
oh yeah, he's just like, you know, maybe maybe he's misunderstood or
maybe wrong in in his sight. You know, he's he's learned from his
mistakes. But then in that one moment, it's like we just fucking have
like the mo evil type character like Sniegel. It's literally Gollum like trying to
fucking set up trying to like set up Samwise on the steps going up,
and he gives that fucking evil smirk. Twim you don't wondering that's like about
to die, and he's like help me, and he just gives him this
fucking evil smirk and then just like slowly goes away like he's Randall Park watching
him around the corner. I burst out laughing again. I like whispered to
Taylor. It's literally like that scene from Harry Harry Potter. He's like,
oh, you're gonna leave me there, Harry's for a moment I thought I
would do like I feel like he almost did think that. It's like all
my proms could go away if I just let this guy fucking get eaten by
the octopus thing. And then when he does make the save, it's some
weird slow mo sid shot with the axe. There's some random SlowMo like when
Arthur thinks his dad is dead, he yells, and then midway in the
scene turns in the SlowMo. It's like what do we do? Like why
are we dipping into the slow no is? And even then like weak choice.
Yeah, I see that weird effect like behind them it just looked like
a nineties like I don't even know, I don't even know what it was.
Yeah, And I felt like orm did take quite a while to save
him. Like by the time he got around, I feel like he could
have been killed. But that's why, for a split second they did have
me because I thought, oh, that's why he hasn't acted evil whole movie,
because he is turning evil again. Like this has just been a whole
and I still like him being good and getting redemption, but I maybe would
have respected a bit more if they did that turn of oh shit, this
whole movie, he's put on this fasaw that he's loyal, he wants to
help his mother, wants help everybody. But then push comes to stuff because
I'm like, man, he got King Mongo, you got Black Manta,
and now you have fucking orm who's like ready to take back over. I'm
like, oh, I'm down for this. But then ten seconds later he
makes a good guy, no reason for him to evil, smile away like
he was just like like he just wanted to psych him out, Like it
was so so silly, but shout of Patrick Wilson. He's a fucking homie.
Man. I love I fucking love I love Patrick Wilson just everything.
And he was great in this movie. Like I said, I was he.
I was invested in him the most in this movie in orm because just
everything, there's a couple of times to make him a little like a little
too goofy. I wish they would have like rained that backs run run I
liked because me and Kurcules were dying because like they have him run with his
arms backwards and yeah, like what's wrong with Patrick Wilson's arms? But I
liked the joke that they tied it back later was like what do He's like,
I've never run before. It's like you gotta move like this, And
then when he moves like he fucking books past Arthur. So no, that
was a joke. I'm like, okay, that one. That one paid
off for me. I was initially though, because when when they're doing the
escape, that's when he does an initially and then they like just fast forward
without even mentioning it. I'm like, what the fuck was that? Until
four minutes later does make sense if he's he's a fishman, especially when he's
like the skinny Jesus and he's walking like that, like it was quite an
image and stuff, but you know that that's cgi of him being super skinny
man. It's just I didn't think it was that looked good yeah, you
know, I thought it look it's way too much that it was no Dwyane
Johnson in Black Adams or Captain America. Yeah, I thought looked better than
both of those. Yeah, like I didn't. I think the long beard
and hair helped it, and they kept him in shadows. I think there
was sometimes that that usually is the hardest part to transition, so it did
help. I think having the big Jesus beard. Yeah, there were times
where he was beside Momoa where it looked a little funny, But yeah,
I thought looked good. The CGI babies that improved since the Flash, but
the hair underwater, all their hair, fuck, that's rough. Especially Dolph
Longren he had so I swear his eyebrows were fucking floating at one point,
like every false old hair that he had was just floating in the in the
water there. Yeah, I I don't think it bothered me as much in
the first film, like looking back on it, but right away it was
just it was really standing out. And anytime that they showed Arthur and fucking
Mara like on the thrown and MOA's just got his fucking legs showing his cock
line like just pure dumb in sitting position and his beard just floating. I'm
like, this is such a weird image. I don't know, I don't
want to see this anymore. So I am glad that this uh this is
the last film for these aw commands. Mm hmm. Anything specifically, I
know he'll come back any mean things. Specifically on Warm Broke Out, he
had a little redemption run. Yes, he's he sees the air of his
ways. He's eating burgers and uh bugs and bugs. Yeah, because like
when when Momoa gave him that bug, it was to fuck with him,
right, but he actually ended up enjoying the bug. Is that the idea
that he knew that it was gonna be a good bug for once I took
it. I took it as he was being fucked, because that's why he
grabbed the other fruit too, just to fuck with him. Everybody stop,
everybody stop. A big thank you to uh Sam and our chat there.
Taylor, why do you have the rebel Moon thumbnail on this review? Currently?
Oh? Fuck with the wrong one in there? Quick swap out of
that Discord Moon review is tomorrow. We've not seen it. I liked take
only Taylor though, too, because he knows it was a Taylor fuck with
orm Yeah, I mean Patrick Wilson. Yeah, I feel like I've kind
of underrated him in the past of like I know, I've seen him in
things other than what is it the Insidious movies or Conjuring as well, he's
in the Conjurings. Yeah, that's what well he said. He also in
both. Yeah, he's a James Won guy because James Won directed those two
in the same world, but he's eating up. He's a he's a Wan
and Snyder guy because Snyer likes to use him a lot too, because he
was in Watchman, remember we liked him there, and Moonfall. He's a
move all bvs. He's just the president, the voice of the President.
But yeah, he's he pops up a lot of places. So yeah,
I feel like I don't know, I just kind of put him in that
box of like those horror movies and then obviously in the first Aukaman, Like
I liked him enough, but I don't think I really like shine too much
light on him, Like I don't think he was my favorite part of those
movies by any means, But in this one, I definitely he's He's if
I had to say, like a list of three things, so that were
my favorite parts of this movie. He would definitely be on that list.
He was fantastic. I really like just again seeing him in that beginning of
just like a completely defeated soul when those fucking like Grindolow creatures were just like
giving him a half a cup of water every so often, He's just he's
just drying him out. But also just like where his mindset was in the
beginning and really really still distrusting of Arthur and then kind of coming around full
circle, and like, I don't know, it was cheesy as well,
like the last little standoff between Arthur and him, like when he was fully
possessed by King ma Go there. But I like, personally I would have
wanted an actual like fight scene amongst the two of them, as opposed to
just like a pushing war remember who you Are? Like like just that like
super I don't know, reused thing that we've seen so many different times and
there's flashbacks, but like part of me also liked it. I don't know,
I feel like we had seen enough throughout this one individual movie to get
those moments of like when they're hugging the mom and you know, just this,
she made her so happy just her boys are hanging out and having fun
together. So I don't know, I did like the brotherly things headed into
it a lot more than maybe I was expecting to. My favorite thing about
that I forgot, Oh no, I remember now. My favorite thing is
when they're showing the flashbacks and they only got two flashbacks, like it's just
like the first time they met and then the time in this movement, Nicole
came in to hug them both, like that's the only memories Arthur has.
Like they're trying to do like this Thor and Loki thing where it's like we're
Phase three R four infinny War. We're gonna turn Loko, you'll get kill
me. Really sad because they have all this history, but this it's like
these two don't have any history really, Like they knew each other for like
a couple of days and then right away, like because people forget in that
same scene where and he's like, oh yeah, I always wanted to meet
you, blah blah. It ends with him being like, but too bad,
You're a total dick. Like it ends it's like but they splice in
a way to be completely Heartfelm I have to say this because I will forget
this. Let's take her next ad break and then I'll say this. I'll
be right back and we're back. Another one part that with Orm that was
killing me in Curricle and is at the end, it's all good. They're
on this whole Iceberg thing and they do this thing where it's just like,
you know, he says a perfectly fine sentence of Orm just been like,
you know, Alanis needs a king like you. You know, uh,
you might think you're not suited for it, but you are. And then
he turns he's like they always need to being you know, it could end
there right there, and then he proceeds to say like four more lines of
just like you know, I even know where a king is, but that's
you. And then you'll be like Atlantis is lucky they got a king like
you. And it's just like the builds Bridges. Yeah, yeah, he
like he's like about to jump, but just like king really does. Bill
Bridges's like it's like they filmed all those like okay, well we use one
of them, and then they're just like use them all, put them all
in there. Like it was so fucking funny. He kept turning and just
like you good job, brother, and like all these like afakers like okay,
we get he's a good guy now, but I was fucking loving.
And that's where it just felt like some Sam Raymie cheese going on. It's
like this like almost feels like semi intentional, but I really don't know it
was. It was it seemed almost like satirical to the point where like you
said, like he would say something and then like take a few steps and
then like turn and then say more things. And I think he did that
like twice and then you and I were like joking like, oh man,
he's just like monologue in here, and then he literally did it like two
more times, and it just made it that much more funny. Great father,
like a great king. It's just like all the most generic things.
God damn, almost like expecting, like you know, like the Award shows
when they play the music when you're just going on too long, it's like
dude, just fucking jumping the water already, Like my gosh, But yeah,
I know that was that was a funny scene. And I don't know,
like the CGI definitely across the board I thought looked pretty damn good.
But on the iceberg as soon as they stepped up on it, and it
was just like something was up with that ice. It was just like five
characters or whatever just standing on a green screen and I'm like, oh,
like here we go, let's enjoy this scene. But Dolph Langren's saying shit
that you don't even know. Actually that's one time he didn't say that.
He just kept giving that fucking grin. And then you have fucking John Davies,
like I wanted to even know, like how an auckaman won, Like
how did he get linked up with doing the voice? Don't know? That's
Gimli, right. His name is John Davies, right, yeah, John,
John Ryce Davies, John Rice Davis. I always confused with. There's
like a guy that's named John, like Jonathan Reese Myres or something, but
like it's like, I don't know, he's back as like this claw c
guy and she's like he's Gimmley essentially. Yeah, especially in the end,
I got like, oh my cousin Bob, and like I felt like they're
back in the tomb fighting everybody off. When when he's like talking to Arthur,
he's like, go ahead, we got them, and it's just like
it's like on my ox and he's just fucking taking out like the Orcs like
it. That That's what I was saying, Like there's so many like just
parallels to those Local Rings movies that I was great to see because obviously I
love those movies, but it was also just like this is just scarily too
close and we've already made a couple other comparisons to like other films, So
it just seemed I don't know, a little almost suspicious of like how many
references maybe you could pull that inspired certain things for this movie. But I
mean I enjoyed them at least, It's not like it was atrocious. Yeah,
anything saying Orm before we Uh. The dynamic between Orm and Uh and
Jason Moo, I I enjoyed it. I enjoyed their interactions and their jokes.
I thought that was that was quite quite clever and funny. Just this
is kind of where Jason Momo is going just a step too high when they're
in the jungle and he's like, oh, yeah, you just really go
for go for this right now, burger, real good cheese burger. Oh
it's some some zaw and some bitches, Like he gets so riled up.
God, that was just like talking to Patrick Wilson in real life, like
after said and they just kept rolling like yeah, keep going, you know,
yeah, it's just oh fuck, it was just so much. Also,
before we go ahead, we can move on forward, but before I
forget, we do have to bring up Random Park. As we moved away
from him, we got to bring up the Aucaman seen of Tayo's name.
If you haven't seen this movie, and if you have, you know what
we're talking about. In the middle of the Battle of Black Manta, Acaman
loses his trite and and they just do this quick cut to Random Park with
the triad and he throws Achaman and he throws like a twelve year old child.
That's I think that's the funniest thing about it too. They're like,
make it your most youthful Acaman ever, and he's like Aquaman like like it
really seemed like just a corny, like superhero moment that maybe would be in
like a cartoon of like a little kid like Aqua Man, here you go.
But they had fucking Rantle Park to it, and oh my god,
it's it's hilarious. You guys used to do like meme on it. Travis
Ion. I have a memory of you saying it like Superman, what is
that from? Hang on? I got something here for it? Man,
It was like and then like ten minutes later you have fucking orm dude the
exact same thing, but he says Arthur instead, And maybe I'm just misremembering
it. Oh yeah, Okay, he's a lot more of a man voice.
It's in Joss League when Cyborg is trying to separate the mother boxes deal
and I had the same reaction because he's trying it. It's going and he's
like Superman and then Henry like they have something about they love these cuts of
characters yelling these like character names out and just just have him throw the trident.
But yeah, that killed all three of us. I think that was
our biggest laugh the movie. Like I was one thing I was happy about
this movie. It was a loud movie. But I was so happy because
there were like other people that like, I think there was like a a
father and son, a couple of rows behind us. I was so loud,
it was so happy. It was so loud so they couldn't hear us
laughing because we were fucking dying. But in that moment was so loud.
We were just top of the lungside. I think there was one time I
laughed when he went he dead quiet, but like I didn't care because stuff
was popping off. So yeah, there's the moment too. I just wanted
to show it because I totally forgot about it until now. But the when
like just finds Dolph Lungren's tried it. I didn't realize that was his trident
at all, and he just like looks down, finds a trident and just
like, oh, this works, and it's just like what the fuck is
that? Like this is just Orm's tried it now, but uh yeah he
did the right thing, give it back to buddy there. But it was
just such like a weird moment. And that's another thing that I feel like
is reoccurring in this movie of just whether it's fucking Randall, park Yillen Auckaman.
I mean that was more just hilarious, shocking wise, but just various
moments of like what is going on, whether it's Patrick Wilson running with the
Naruta run or King Mando in Black Man's Body. Yeah, exactly. It's
just like I don't know on a first view in it, it happens pretty
quick. Yeah, I guess mentioned Mara a little bit. She's barely in
this movie. I think, like I don't know what to believe, Like
I kind of believe in James one where he says like it's more like a
brother movie, Like I do believe that. Like it's tough because everyone's going,
oh she was cut. She and like I think there's some stuff.
She was definitely cut. Like it feels like it's a much reduced role,
but it's like the bulk of the movie is awcamanaway and clearly, like the
first five minutes of the movie is like Tamorrow Morrison with this big ass Heath
being like I always wish I could give you another brother or sister and I
never did that, and that's really important, and you got siblings. Like
the whole theme is brothers being together and family being together. So maybe she
was in it more. But I get like, like, even if it's
a bullshit excuse, I guess a good excuse to have, Like, yeah,
it's more about the brothers to go around, and she's offward. I
did think at one moment in about twenty five minutes or maybe not, I'd
say at the end of the first act, a black Manta shoots her with
his beams. I thought it was over for I thought, oh man,
they're killing her off right here. But she sprinkled throughout the movie. And
uh yeah, Like, as we've said before, I don't think we take
any side at least I don't. I don't care about any of that stuff.
It sucks a little bit because I did really like her as Mara in
the first one. But he or she is just like a she is a
non existent character. So if you were a fan of her or that character,
expect to be massively disappointed. Like I'm fine because I like orm Patrick
Wilson, and there is a whole first movie of that was that am of
the first movie, right was those two together. But she's barely barely in
here. She makes fucking the baby piss on Arthur's not cool. You know.
I feel like she had more screen time than I was expecting. I
mean, I predicted she was gonna get marked pretty early on, which was
definitely not the case. But uh yeah, even when she was on screen,
like it just it felt so different than like obviously her usage in the
in the previous film. It's almost like she wasn't even there. Like when
Mantha zaps her and she's in that hospital bed, I kind of thought that's
just where she was gonna be for the rest of the movie. And then
she shows up later on. She's actually the one that rescues Arthur, and
that was the scene I just kind of laughed out loud because I think I
was just not expecting at all, And just the way that, yeah,
the way that he looks at her, she's fucking yeah yeah, like the
way the way it reminds me with her. And this is why I do
think they definitely probably cut some stuff down. But is it sounds like a
morbid comparison, but hear me out. It feels like Carrie Fisher in episode
nine, where it's like, oh, she passed away and these are the
only scenes we have, so we're gonna work with it. This feels like
I heard passed away and it's like, well, we only have these scenes,
so let's like stretch him out and like put as many as we can
in there. I did appreciate that when they get back, you know,
which is good because ormon doesn't know and they show us in the trailer the
whole movie isn't in the trailer, they're like, oh, black man,
he's the bloodline, and Orm's like, well that's you. Me and moms
like we're good and they're like, oh no, our junior. When they
get to Lighthouse one. I just like to think that Orm has no fucking
clue what's going on. He's never met Arthur's dad, he didn't even know
there was a baby, but like he helps him a little bit. Aukaman
and his mom all run towards tomorrow. Morrison and parents the only one that
runs in the house. She's like, where is Junior? And none of
them give a fuck. They're all like, no tomorrow, And then like
he does say right, like, oh, Junior got taken up by Manta.
But just like it was. It was just so funny, Like it
felt like knowing iive a fuck about this baby, Like of course I love
my dad, but it's just like he's an older gentleman. This is my
child, Like and I think my dad would even understand, like, oh
yeah, you gotta go in the house to try and find your kid,
Like it felt like the baby. So many times this movie literally felt like
a mcguffin plot device. They did not feel like a child or baby at
all, like this idea of a child the first five minutes like I'm a
dead and it's really tough, and then after that the kid's gone for the
whole movie until black Man. So it's just like that's it was a waste
too. It was just I rather him have just you could take that out,
just have Manton kid at their mom if they need the blood, like
yeah, and getting a whole kidmen in there more like it was a pointless
story. So so many times when you introduce like a like a baby of
that age too, like that's such like a big variable that that gets added
on to the already like pretty high dangers that they have. And it just
really didn't feel like there was a part of me any danger like elevated from
from the threat of the child, other than just yeah, they're gonna kill
it to unleash Mango. So I I don't know, I'm pretty disappointed with
the whole Arthur Junior plot, especially just knowing some of like the source material
where it's like I mean even the fucking ched GBT prediction that we had where
it becomes a ghost child that's a lot more interesting than than is usage here.
Yeah, it felt like the baby actor also had a trial with Johnny
Depp and they cut around him, you know, like that's what it felt
like, like what's going on here? But the uh yeah that sequence on
folding where they had to rush to the home and then check on lighthouse is
gone, lighthouse, lighthouse is gone. Yeah, the uh the dad tomur
Morrison surviving. I was like, okay, they're just yeah, everyone's protected.
He is dying. His whole body's rotten. And I was like he's
gonna make it, like what like why, like and I guess I'm fine
that now being the last one, like the family kind of gets a happy
ending. But it just felt like a complete setup to Okay, he's definitely
a goner here, and no, he made it. He made well,
even like especially when like black Man like kills him like supposed supposedly kills him,
Like it just felt like this is like, hey, it's over for
him. But that scene was great, Like I was laughing, We're all
laughing when he's like, oh, what's going on When he's like at the
TV and the lights go off. Yeah, it's just five month old baby
alone on a couch like fuck man, Like I guess that is a superpowered
baby, so maybe be okay, great shot though. I love when he's
like, yeah, fun switch. Yeah, so they probably do like about
this. He's but he's trying to find something, Like you said, light
switch, just Manta's eyes lighting up. Really cool shot of like fun like
and because it is like Manton and he's in the underworld and it's like our
underwater world. There is so much going on where it's like he looks smaller,
but him in the real world next to person, it's like, fuck,
this guy's massive, like just this helmet. But well, yeah,
yeah is a big guy. Yeah guy, Yeah, but my favorite thing.
I get what they're trying to do. But tomorrow Morrison's on the couch
and he's watching the news and they're talking about globe warming and flood. He
seems like he's drew Barrymore's character out of fifty First Dates because he looks like
he's learning about all this stuff for the very he's been a lighthouse for so
long. He doesn't even know what the fuck's going on out there in the
world. Remember when Austin in Paris came out and then he watches all those
things they showed the Brulin Wall came down and he's like John Lynde, Like
it felt like if they showed nine to eleven to Wars more like, oh
my god, I can't what you need to go stop this right now.
Yeah, And it's not like he's a civilian. His fucking son is Awkaman,
who would have something like It just felt like the way they asked him
whatever I think they said, this is gonna be playing on the news and
I'm playing was just generic like global warming, foot my god something. He
has a line like what's going on out there? It's just like you also
know like black Man is trying to melt the world like he's just it was
such a funny cut of this guy has no fucking clue what's going on?
Fucking simple, simple, fat You know this actor, man, he just
brings so much to these roles now, So the the when the baby got
kidnapped, he just reminds me no matter where I see him, Yeah,
the baby. He was talking Taylor. I was just thinking of those fucking
videos from Battlefront two when it's like the fire First journals, Like every time
he speaks, now, I just get taken back to that era of Star
Wars Belfront two. But and he smiles. I get taken back to yeah,
uh fuck, like why that thing? Why they do that? Star
Wars is dead everybody? Fuck Yeah when when the baby got taken away?
The whole time, like I knew the baby wasn't gonna get killed the name
James One said in some like some interviews like that's pretty dark. You know
we're not we're gonna do that. And after I've seen your movies, James
One, I can know you can do some dark. Kill the dad.
Fuck the whole time though the baby was just kidnapped, I was just thinking
that chat shept or Arthur like reached out to Batman. Well, sorry,
Arthur's a lot else problems going on in the world. Threats. We don't
know threat. There was even a moment in this movie too where he just
said something and I get I don't want to be that like where is the
Justice League? But it just felt like he was like and we're all alone
and just like or even just like I guess they didn't I don't know.
I guess they didn't know that black Man be after the Blood. But it's
just like there's no one else who can leave this baby with, Like this
is like any like he gets taken so easily. Even in the first movie
too, like people like fucked up his house. So it's just like you
can't even just drop this kid off at Bruce Wayne's for like a day,
Like I'll trust Barry own with this kid more than fucking his dad. Like
please, like any of your Justice League friends, just like can they not
watch this child? But no, they couldn't. And yeah, no,
there's there's no mention of the Justice League at all in this really there's mentioned
that he like saved the world, but they're they're all non existent and stuff.
So mm hmm. Oh and there's another thing too, a shit,
there's like another thing with the baby, something that really stood out to me.
I mean, you guys have children. I don't. But the baby
literally doesn't age from the point that we see in the beginning of the film
and then five months later. I feel like a baby at that age five
months like does that not would you not see? Like very significant and very
the only difference I saw how I thought it was different, But I don't
think it was. I think it was just one of the baby's cgi.
He looked a little different, but I was like a different They use the
exact same baby from from before the jump to to after the jump. Yeah,
there might be some CGI there, but it did not change age could
like altabe, it's yeah, exactly, Atlantis changed. You just start at
five months old. You know, poor Mara had to push out that baby
in the fucking she's forever changed. I guess I get it, Like I
understand it was just a weird cut. They just cut to the beach and
she's just given birth in the water. Like I get it, because I
guess they don't know if this kid's gonna breathe and stuff like that. But
just like, like why are you right on the shore, Like why don't
you guys have doctors in Atlantis? Like you guys people give birth there all
the time. Even though it's like I feel like there's only five or six
like human like people in Atlantis and everyone else's fish people. Like in the
first movie, they had that stadium of everybody, but now in Atlantis it's
all people that are like Merman, you you know, Pep looking like bootshut
Bill. There was very little human people. And the other hing that I
found was odd where he's talking about his daily routines and stuff and he's being
king, and I thought he's gonna be how he gave that up, but
he's still king. But they don't live there, which I don't think would
fly like he does. They don't live in Atlantis. There's an awful king.
He's a completely awesome king. Oh yeah, they live their dad's like
lighthouse. Maybe you guys caught this because I was kind of confused because I
kind of thought that Arthur got like ousted as a king, didn't he by
like the council like at uh when I think it's when Black Manta actually comes
and just raids they were going to they were they said they I think they
were gonna have a meeting on no confidence, so like that was their idea.
But I guess I thought he was completely ousted and then by the end
of the movie he's like, yeah, I'm gonna go back to being king.
It's like, uh, I think they kind of well, he housted
council over right, because even by the end that was hilarious. What was
that? Oh my god, the leader of the council. They all the
whole thing is Alkaman wants to be public to the world. They don't,
and clearly he does. He just does terrible and then they show this leader
of the council just fearing for her children's life, just like like watching the
news of him telling everybody and literally just tomorrow market the council, what is
happening is not my son. But like, yeah, I unfortunately was spoiled
on a bit of that ending of the day. I just saw I shot
on my timeline of Jason Momoa at the podium and just something like this is
how the DC is gonna end? Huh, And it really was. And
fuck man, because there's rumors that supposedly so like oh so you guys all
picked up on like it wasn't like that playing it safe at the whole,
like global warming and pollution stuff like that. Apparently there was Custos movie that
were a lot more about that and really diving deep into those type of politics.
And that's where, like I know, I'm saying, it feels like
a Saturday Morning cartoon and these movies are cheesy and all fits, but like
that ending had just like a different level of bad to it, Like that
does feel like a Saturday Morning cartoon where the hero would just peer up the
sitting and he's like yes, but it just was even the speech they had
and the whole weird like play on if they're playing on I am iron Man
when he just gets the microphones like I am Acuaman comes. Yeah, it
was. It was fucking weird, and they should have just I think it
would have been better if they just ended it up. There's a there's a
great shot of them all the beach together, clear lighthouses built together, but
it's like Aquamant's hold Mara and they were Maras holding the baby and Nicole Knvin's
holding to More and Morrison like they're like just ended at the beach, and
I think that was the way to go. This whole speech thing is like
I get what they're trying to do to like global warming and tumblt pollution.
That's great, but just like it felt it wrung, It felt so hollow.
It just felt like a hey like recycle big time. And like I
I feel like there's portions of the movie when they were just going like super
super hard on that topic and then it kind of just fades away and then
we get to the end that it's like like this is the result of the
global warming trying to fucking free king mango. So I don't know, I
really didn't care for that. And I think it's not even because of the
subject matter, but also just because it is that half baked, like half
half attempted just telling of that situation, and holy fuck, when they had
I think it was what's the queen's name, it's like Alana or something I
remember, like Blana or something like that. She's like explaining, like why
they stopped using these gases in the first place, and it just goes to
Black Manta and the crew just fucking burning tires essentially in this volcano and they're
just tossing it in there, and then we get to the fucking mountain that's
just like the fucking giant silos from The Simpsons, essentially, but it's just
out of a volcano. I I just thought that was so fucking corny and
cheesy, and I couldn't believe they're like where the hell are they? Yeah,
maybe at the giant fucking smoke stack that you could probably see from miles
away, But they have a whole miss, they have a whole mission to
find out where their base is. These people have all this tech. You're
telling me, no one can see, like there's big radiation this side of
the world like it was like when they just do bad, it's like a
huge volcano mass of just spewing out green like guck. It's just like no
one could find this. Nobody the green guck too. That's see. That
was the ace on top for me because I'm thinking, like green greenhouse gases
are not green like that, like these these are ancient. These are like
and I feel like that's that's that's the thing, Like, oh there,
it's greenhouse gas. So we need to make this green literally just to get
that message across. And it's weird too, because like they're she sets them
up like, oh, we were using this, but we stopped doing this.
Then later on they have this fight going on and it won't pay up.
He's u as a weapon and Orm's like you gotta be careful. That
could explode and lots of damage, and Arthur's just like whatever, man hose.
Yeah, And it's just like so like what we're supposed to think,
our character is telling people like, yeah, some pollution, like he's been
told with the pollution, but then he's just throwing this bomber on that good
harvm king. Yeah, he could continue to pollute the world. So it's
like why do I give a fuck? At the end of Arthur's like we
need to do better when just half an hour ago he was swinging around a
Greenhouse gas bomb for like shits and giggles. Well, Orm found a better
solution. He got a chain and he won. So like fucking Momoa swinging
this bomb around did nothing but Orm being like, I'm just gonna use my
brain and tie these people up. Yeah. It just and like early on
in the film too, they make like a big emphasis on the threat that
the whole global warming is posing to the people of Atlantis. Of it's they
have like a sickness going around the big big think about the sickness. Fuck,
that's what killed Willem Dafoe. In like one sentence in this movie,
did we see anyone literally anyone on scar that had a sickness or anything like?
It was literally just like they had a black peg that's taken out fucking
populations and it's just we don't see any anything about that like that. That
is just ridiculous to me. And again maybe that is something that they're they're
leaning or in on, like a different script or a different yeah, whatever
it was, I don't know. I almost forgot about the sickness the halfway
through the movie. Yeah, no, sone's gonna be like you want to
cut the global warming thing? Yes, because I don't think people are going
to a command for their global warming talk, and if they are, I
get like, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you can't have a
message in the movie. I just feel like this was them trying to be
in the middle of the lane. I was like, there's a cut that
was really hard on it, like, oh, that's too much, But
then there was a cut that had nothing like oh, well, we don't
want to cut it out. That's what it's like. I'm fine if you
want to make this whole movie both like this. I'm sorry if this movie's
ending with them fighting some Skelton king bongo with souls, like it's not about
global warming, Like you give me an aspect, but like, if you're
gonna do that, fine, but then go full go for it. Go
like with Black Panther, Go like they didn't just jump aroun raised you fucking
like killmull. You're talking about white slavers, you know. It's like they
fucking just went for it hard. And that was the whole villain's motivation.
We're like, I guess like, uh, Manta says something of like,
oh, the world is always going this way, we're just speeding up.
But like his main goal is not to create global warming. It's just like
it's a side effect of it. Like that's not his like I'm gonna go
out and melt the world. It's just because he wants power. But and
I get the allegory in real life. But yeah, uh, it's like
our last ad break and we'll talk about some last few things and uh maybe
uh ratings, we'll be right back and we're back here. Was there something
you want to say on some of those ones? There? I felt like
there's what you're gonna say? And then we went off a tangent of the
Queens glasses. No, no, my note was just the Greenhouse gas there.
We're all good anything in particular Tabamara and Nicole Kimmin's in here for like
a day and a half, Like there's she hugs her son, she's there
for exposition. I thought she was even alive, Like entering this movie,
I thought she died last one at some point. Very hands off queen.
I guess that's not really her role anymore, right, because Mara is kind
of the queen now. But her eyes were fucking tripping me out in this
movie. I don't know what was going on with them. They like made
them super dark or like super watery, because I don't know. Did she
just look like she was super possessed at various points. And I don't know
if they gave her an accident or something. Just something seemed off with her
that was kind of kind of mess with me. I didn't I didn't fully
love her in this. Yeah, that's just paycheck one. So and apparently,
like I didn't know this, she was born in like Hawaii. Hey,
that actress what's her name? Blank? Kimmen, you just know that
actress Nicole such a such a forgettable character in this movie. I forgot she
was doing an actress. But I know she's from Hawaii. Man, that's
why she's in the project. You know, Mamoa recruited her lookal Hawaiian.
Yeah, fuck, I forgot. I should re release Eyes White Shot.
That's a Christmas movie. Fuck I forgot about that. Next year, I'll
that's a great Christmas fee. Yeah. Tabo Mari tabout arm Talmanta Tuba Park.
We talk about Arthur who, like, like we said before, there's
not much of it, like there's a mini art, but it's just like
he's a you know, he's Jason Momoa. So even Atlantis, Like in
general, I feel like it was kind of lackluster in this one. I
know, I know it's not like our main setting by any means, but
even when we were there, like we had that kind of chase scene through
what they call it like the night market and there's little fish people eating sushi
or something, and then that gets ruined. I don't know if that was
supposed to get a laugh strange? Is that cannibalism? It was like a
fish person eating a fish. I think, so what it would have to
be like a different species of fish though, like if there we don't need
different species of human? Is there different species of human? There's no other
species of human anymore, so we can not that we know of. I
get ill human. I just feel like it's like a it's not a one
to one comparison because like I feel like they're like they're all fish, no,
not exactly them in a box general, like there's I see how you
see there's mammals if anything, that's a good thing. There's like crustaceans,
so there's lots of different things down there. Yeah, I guess I just
found it odd. I just found it weird. It's like if it was
a weird scene not supposed to be for like comedic purposes. The Atlantean defense
system was fucking trash. They need to figure that out. Uh, And
then I will say the whole pirate market area that was pretty cool. I
like that scene and just how it warmed. Oh yeah, kind of filling
in how he networked to find yeah man in the first movie. But yeah,
just that that whole sequence was It came down to just classic just punch
your way out of this scenario. But I still enjoyed the met up before
that and seeing just you have the pirate King guy work in his his magic
he mar short apparently it really Kirkland said, yeah it was yeah. Wow.
I couldn't play the voice, but it makes sense now. So yeah,
it was fun. I liked like the job of the hot type of
character. I liked the hole he has, like the helmet on and he's
like taking the water away. So that was there was some fun that I
think I would like to see a little bit more of it because they're like,
it's just ships in the outside, it's a little just I know,
it's all cg I mean like it's just like a it's just the walls.
Maybe there could have been some fun markets or fun like you know, like
a god what is it called in Star Wars where Luke and they Gridle gets
killed your Yeahina, like I would liked if we went into some bark and
some cantinas there. You know, it could have been fun. It was
pretty short scene. Yeah, we did have that Lady Fish say, yeah,
she looked a lot like the Hot Gremlin from Gremlins. Too hot Gremlin.
Yeah a million one, yeah watch it. Anything else Postcrets was ship.
It was just Patrick Wilson Ina bogging his burger. Cool. What a
way to end the DCU, you know, with the bug. Start with
the bug, ended with the bug. Let me used to look over here,
I had, oh yeah, just my Lord of the Rings isms in
here I got. I already mentioned Souron very much, just like the total
Souron design too, with like the tall tall head kind of gave him a
weird face. But uh, even like the battle man, my god it
chops his has tried it in half basically how fucking a seal door chops off
his finger, Like it was just so so same thease. But also I
still kind of liked it because it was so same these because it's just so
fucking good. State comes in just like copyright. He fucking takes the trident
for himself, thrown into the fire. What else? Oh yeah, Also
just like that entire loss City, I was getting major Minace Morgle vibes the
City, and again I just loved I love the sign, the green and
black just really really cool. The whole possession with the Black tried. It
very very very similar to to The Ring, even when like there's multiple moments
in Lord of the Rings too where like a character is hearing souron, you
know, tempting them to put on the ring, and then like he even
says like my power will be yours if you put it on, And that's
literally the exact same thing like King Mango said to fucking orm. I think
at the end, or maybe it's Black Math, I can't remember. The
only thing that's separate, not the only thing, but one thing that separates
Little the Rings from this is you know, you get those moments of boar
Mayor and Erragor and they're holding the ring and hear little voices and then you
just see them, you know, talk to frod Oh. You see the
despair on their face. Here, No, we don't have that subtlely,
it's a smash cut to a ring of fire around them, and it's King
Man to being like, hey, fucking hate you hate you more than Manta.
You want to be King You always want to kill him. He's like
he didn't need it, you didn't need I get what they're going for.
But it's just like in your wife or your fear. Yeah, yeah,
both of these sucking your wife, you know, Like yeah, it was
just like it was like literally some of what if we did that little ring
scene with the ring, but we actually showed sore and like talking to frod
oh, talking to him. Yeah, and then once you see it,
you go, you know what, there's a reason somethings are better left to
the uh, the imagination. So yeah, no exactly, especially like just
having him floating around like right in his face, like do that so crazy?
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. It just kind of brought away
the badassy of that character. I hope when fucking Black Manta was in the
ship like masturbating. That guy was just going around circle like yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah left, oh god, and then the last one,
Yeah, it was just GIMBLI. I just felt like that John Rice Davy's
character was literally just Gimli in the in the crab suit. So yeah,
those are my There's probably even more that I missed, but those are definitely
the isms there, and I should should mention how fucking lame the death scene
of King Mango was. When at first I was really hopeful that because he
throws the black Trident and I'm like, please, don't just tell me fucking
kills him here the black tri Then he catches it. I'm like, oh
my god, we're gonna get some crazy fights. And then the fucking acaman
says something in Dulph Lungren's voice. He's like and he tosses the other trient
and he fucking just splits the arrow like he's Robin Hood and that just shatters
him. It's just like, my gosh, it was a huge cock Blackluster.
Oh yeah, you're back in high school. You got the girl there,
you know, your parents have left, like all good. Her pants
are down, and then and then like oh, no head, like you're
gonna do it. You're totally gonna get something. Oh no, we forgot
something. We're actually staying in tonight or like all cars that I guess,
like, oh no, like we thought it was gonna yeah, and that's
what that was. I was like, oh fuck, we're gonna get really
because like, honestly, Mongo pop off here and yeah we didn't got him
floating like the mango I love with the mistake. But now that's his name.
Yeah, I remember what it was, necros Chorax for comracks. Yeah,
my cumrades. But uh yeah, no tease anything else? Going once,
going twice, I'll actually I'll go last. Maybe I got the highest
scirl. Sorry, Tar had ten. What would you get this movie?
I was really I was really thinking to myself what I would give it when
I was driving home, so I wish I could remember what I gave that
first one. But all in all, like this film. I enjoyed the
dark undertones that had the those cool horror sequences were very, very great,
and I think it worked really well with this this world. I think that
some of the humor worked. Most of it I was laughing at because I
was with you guys, and a lot of that was not intended to be
humorous. And then you have just very messy character development. You have already
established characters from the previous film and from the other DCEU films, building this
world and this universe, and then you just have this film that has really
sloppy progression and unfulfilling narratives for our characters, and that really just pulls me
out of it quite a bit. So unfortunately, I'm probably gonna go with
like a I'm gonna go with a five. I'm gonna still pass it.
But I really am in no hurry to rewatch this. And that was the
first thing I said to Madison I got home, because she asked me how
was the movie? I said, You're not really gonna get any rush to
go in and see this movie. So I hate to give it that low
of a score because I've liked some of these back half like DCU films.
I love Blue Beadle. It was a freaking awesome movie. I love Fun
and The Flash, even I think I hate rated The Flash higher than this,
for sure, So uh, and she's ant too. Like all these
later films, I was really really enjoying them, so it's just it sucks
to just see this is, this is where we're at. I didn't need
like a post credit scene going into something crazy to continue it. It just
would have been cool to get something a bit better. I don't give me
a scene of like all the Justice League like hugging or something like that.
I don't know each other, just beat them off. Yeah, but Diana's
like all the just just going around Superman. It's like, now you fuck
Cyborg and then you fuck Bruce and it's just her Superman. She's she's just
like in the last so true, just making them do all these dirty things
all you know, consensual of course, consensual. Yeah, it's like a
dull matrix thing. I'm trying to say she's some assaulter or something like that.
Kirkling. Yeah, I was gonna say something, but I forgot it
now unfortunately. Oh yeah, I know, you reminded me of the consensual
now for the end credit. Of course, with all these fucking movies,
the day they come out, there's an article right at the start and it's
like, you'll never believe what the end credit scene is. There literally is
an article, bullshit article. I don't even know what the site is.
I'm not gonna mention it, but it's like again, probably super click baity
title. I don't remember what it is now, but it's like, all
come in to end credit scene and it's a full fucking page of an article
breaking down the bug the bug that he eats, and then it ends with
what this means going forward for the next All Command appearance, We don't know.
It's like we all fucking know because this is the last one because the
DCU is dead. Who the fuck writes these articles like these are fucking GBT.
Literally they have to be. It doesn't make sense otherwise, or no
one's fucking doing research anyways, ran over. Yeah, No, this was
uh, this was a fun time for sure. It'll be a while till
I revisit this film, definitely, uh, But you know it was fun
to see it with you guys for sure, and big standouts I'd say,
yeah, Patrick Wilson, Yeah yeah. And just like the world design that
they showed us, the Last City was really cool and even the island I
remember seeing those moments in the trailers, and you know, the Grasshoppers was
pretty iffy. But I feel like, for the most part, I actually
liked it more than I was expecting, probably just because of the back and
forth amongst the Patrick Wilson and Jason Momo, which was like mostly Patrick Wilson
almost like reacting to the momoisms of him just being himself. But so,
yeah, I had a fun time with it. I think I'm still gonna
give it like a six and a half though, because like there is just
a lot of maybe intentional humor that did not hit at all with me by
any means, some weird decisions from certain characters, and also just the whole
balancing act, the black tried and motivating Yahya's own motivations when I don't think
he really needed it, and just an overall like lack of real like steaks
with the baby or even like it's not Arthur's senior, right, what's the
dad's name. It's like Tom Curry or something. I think that's something like
that. But yeah, he just he just survives. So it's just just
happy end, I guess. And oh yeah, and then also just the
flip floppiness with the global warming thing and the ending was just kind of kind
of ridiculous honestly, like the fucking Wakanda, We're gonna We're gonna show ourselves
to the world, and I was gonna, yeah, just just thoughts of
that first Wakanda film. But six and a half, you know, like
that's okay, especially Yeah, I really really like the first one. Not
too disappointed. This one's significantly lower on my rating at least. Yeah,
seven ad ten for me, So I'm glad I went last. I'm the
highest. I give seven tens of movies that maybe aren't the greatest, I
no rewatch them. I think this does have rewatch value in the sense of
if I want to see a live action Walkoman movie that I at least enjoy
and have a good time, this is one. I think. It's when
you can put on tune out for fifty minutes, come back in and still
be enjoying it, you know, like it's it's it is the combook fair
that I do you enjoy. Of course, I always want the bar to
be better. Of course, I'd love to be talking about this like this
is the best way of the DCU. But as we've said before, now
it might be different with the way the audiences are. We've seen now that
they're not gonna show up. Now we have to get back to stage where
everything might have to be like a nine out of ten or ten and ten.
But we were just from an era where when we were getting eight to
ten dc Marvel movies a year. I was fine if not every movie was
a home run, and I still just enjoyed the movie. I definitely would
not return to as much as the first one. I feel like if I
had, like, I don't think it's a thing where I have to watch
one and two together, I could watch one and be done. But who
knows, maybe I'll fill in that mood. And again, it's it all
depends in retrospect, like ten years from now, fifteen years from now,
you know, because who knows when you get another Awka man, who knows
what happens with the DCU. So it's like I'm happy in existence. It's
not completely awful happy. It's not like a Wolverine Origins where it's like I
still watch it but just because Hugh Jackman's in it, and that's where my
enjoyment ends. Like there's multiple things in here I can enjoy. But yeah,
it's not the greatest, it's not the greatest DCU film. It's very
much just middle of the road. But yeah, I'm I'm I'm excited to
see, you know, hopefully the future of what happens. We got a
whole year pretty much still Joker two, so uh, yeah it was you
know, it was a fucking really bumpy road this whole universe. And I'm
excited to talk about when we get the Golden Gee because yeah, I just
like the directory of stuff. But uh and I got a really fun surprise
category that we've never done before, so I'm gonna hold onto that. But
yeah, check out that. And yeah, seven out of ten those are
movies that rewatch again, but maybe just because they're kind of enjoyable. So
that's it for Auquaman and the Lost Kingdom. Let us know your thoughts,
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at some point, but yeah, no, one we've seen this movie.
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