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M hmm. It's Tuesday, September. The second Packs is over, but

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we're still here for now, Well, some of us are still here.

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Yeah, we're down to man,
it's true. Drew Scandal's not here.

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No, he is here. He's
in the building. Yes, he's healthy.

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Yeah, he's he's trucking along,
he's cutting video. He's cutting video.

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We shot video in Seattle that I
have to go up on the website.

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We did, and it will go
up, yeah, faster because of

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his absence from this podcast. I'm
Brad Shopmaker. It's true. You're Jeff

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German. Yes, still yes,
this post Packs Landscape. That's right.

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I did not change my name.
You have held firm to your identity.

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Yeah, no, my identity is
fine. Dan Reichert, on the other

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hand, Hey, that's me,
that's is it. Yeah, I'm still

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the same guy, is it really? Yep? Okay, you didn't leave

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Packs changed, well transformed. I
think the rumble might have changed me a

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bit that I kind of reflect on
my life and what's important, the choices

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you've made. Yeah. So now, yeah, I've got a year of

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reflection, or I guess less than
that. If we're doing it again at

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Packs East, but I just I
gotta think about my place in life.

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Yeah, yeah, you need to. You need to nail down what your

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wrestling name is, because I feel
like every time you get announced it changes.

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Like I think dirty Dan Reichert was
the last one I heard. I

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think that's the one I hear the
most. Yeah yeah, okay with that?

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Yeah that works? Yeah, yeah, okay, that's appropriate. Do

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you feel especially dirty? I mean, like like literal dirt, I mean

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in a wrestling context, and like
Rick Flair, dirty is player in the

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game. Yeah, of course it
doesn't. But doesn't having dirty right in

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your name lock you into like a
permanent heel position. No, Rick Flair

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is always the dirtiest player in the
game, even when he was a baby

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face. Yeah yeah, yeah,
what you just you just kind of cheat

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to win? Hell Eddie Garrow,
did it? Is that is baby face

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like like an official like the sub
sub tier of the face category. No,

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that is just the full Oh okay, yeah, it's why they say

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face. Okay, because they mean
because nobody wants to go around saying baby

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face old time. Nope, unless
you're h you run the record label.

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Yeah yeah, but they just call
him baby Okay, really yeah, I

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didn't know that or this baby face
like the R and B singer whip Appeal.

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Okay, I think I'm out of
my death here. Yeah. So

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yeah, PAX is over. We're
back yep in San Francisco, video games

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happened. Yeah, yeah, PAX
PAX was I don't know, because fun.

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Yeah, yeah, I got Yeah, I had fun. I think

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I had fun. Trying to gather
your thoughts. Yeah, and we we

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did more stuff. You know.
There was the Friday night thing that we

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had, the Saturday night panel,
and then the wrestling panel that the Dan

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and I were on. Uh,
I didn't see you there. I was.

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I was there just kind of just
helping with logistics and stuff, I

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mean the back stage. The manager
usually hangs out in the back. Yeah.

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I made sure everything's running sweetly.
Yeah. I was there kind of,

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you know, with with my client, Jock doctor track Suit. He

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is, uh, he has a
he has some special needs, so I'm

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usually in the back monitoring the police
band and making sure that, you know,

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everything's kind of gonna stay on the
up and up for him. Yeah,

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that thing was. The thing was
pretty fun. Uh, I was

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silly. Is that that's on the
internet, right? People? Can watch

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that. Yeah, it's I mean
it broadcast live on Twitch and then some

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people have ripped it off Twitch and
assembled it and stuff like that onto various

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YouTube channels. Excellent. You know, we're like, we're not going to

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post. It's not our panel.
Like Aaron Tritz from Harmonics does most of

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the the booking on that, I
guess, so it's kind of his his

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thing, so it's not ours to
archive. But but yeah, it's out

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there. Yeah, that was a
fun panel. Give it a watch if

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you haven't seen it. It's the
what is it just the packs some fourteen

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It's it's out there and it's out
and about. I was a little disappointed

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talking to you afterwards that it sounds
like we are locked into the N sixty

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four era of wrestling games for those
things. Well, I don't know.

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I was talking to mister Tritz afterwards, and you know, he's got some

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some ideas. Yeah, but also
he didn't want to think about it because

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he spent some time thinking about this
one. He's just like he said,

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people keep coming up to me with
ideas for the next one. I'm like,

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fuck off, Like we just did
this one. You don't let me

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live my life for one week to
start planning the next. Right, so

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he puts a lot of work into
that, as much work and thought as

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he puts into it. I'm pretty
sure Dave Lang has everyone beat. You

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might be right. He really,
I mean, heats a lot of it.

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He put a spend against it.
Yeah, he commits yeah hard,

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absolutely, So it is probably like
it's it's definitely the most theatrical of panels

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at Packs. I think it's hard
to probably it's hard to imagine another panel

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being more of a show than that. Yeah, I get you're probably right.

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I don't know. That's yes,
it's except maybe ours. The whole

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stage is just covered in glass and
skittles and stuff at the end, right,

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Yeah, like I had to kind
of cleaned it up really quickly.

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Whatever. The next panel was got
a it's full of donut like real hard

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he did. Yeah, he said
his sinus is just just donuts all day

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the rest of the day. That's
all right, Oh man, there are

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worse fates. I suppose you guys
stayed at Packs a day longer than me.

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Yeah, I left on Sunday Monday. Okay, did you guys get

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up to anything else after I got
out of there? It was an Italian

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restaurant at a mall. Okay,
I went to some folks. Yeah,

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I got chicken nuggets at Windy's at
the airport. You ate chicken nuggets?

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What Rampton barbecues? When I at
the airport, I went to the Wolfgang

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Pucks because I appreciate gourmet food,
and I got a pepperoni and mushroom pizza

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hole the mushrooms. So it was
pepperoni pizza. Yeah, Okay, that's

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good. They put like chunks of
like onion and tomato on the pizza without

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saying, hey, this has onions
and tomatoes on it. I mean,

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I think that's a really fucked up
thing. That is. Are chunks of

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tomato really that far off from tomato
sauce at that point? They just don't

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don't They just kind of blend in, and so there's like amazing covering.

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I mean, I could tell you
that they were in there, so that

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then by the fault, they did
not blend in. Yeah. I love

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tomato sauce, but actual chunky tomatoes. It's just the grossest thing in the

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world. It's a textural thing.
They got a lot of vitamins. Ee

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though they're good for you. Yeah, I could just take vitamins, you

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know. Yes, I suppose that's
true. Yeah, and I do.

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Yeah, to care of yourself,
I do. Okay, Yeah, did

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you guys make make your way around
the show floor anymore? Is there anything

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that stood out to you that you
saw that we haven't already talked about?

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Because I think we Yeah, I
think we've we were kind of between.

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I mean, adding that extra Friday
event gave us like spot to talk about

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the So that was actually the weird
thing. Like I woke up Saturday morning

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and started thinking about our panel for
the first time and realize, like,

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oh, we like all burned,
like all of our what's on the show

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floor talk last night? Right except
for fire Watch? Except for fire Watch?

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Well, nobody knows exactly what fire
Watch is? Is it gone Home

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plus fire Here's my takeaway from sitting
on that panel. All I know about

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it is the Alimas thing and that
you can throw a boombox into a lake.

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That's literally all I know. It's
a good start. That sounds like

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a pretty great game. That's a
good start. Uh, those are strong

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fundamentals. I don't want to be
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It definitely has some some things in
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like it's just kind of storytelling techniques. Yeah, okay, it's a lot

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of voiceover, you know, because
you're I think they did say you will

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physically encounter other people at some point
in the game, but it seems like,

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you know, your relationship with your
superior Delilah is primarily over the radio.

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Right. Wait, didn't you say
you ran into some delinquent kids at

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the lake? They were so far
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I was sitting at the other end
of a long table looking at a laptop,

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so I couldn't see exactly what they
look like, but you couldn't physically

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you could swim across the lake and
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they were represented as just I mean, they were only like a few pixels

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tall, so you were you were
like hollering at these kids, but you

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weren't walking up to them and harassing
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again not to be too productive,
but it seems like Gone Home plus

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maybe a little more mechanical variety in
terms of the way you interact with the

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environment and stuff like that. You
know, they made the metrooid comparison of

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like, oh, you know,
you'll get more gear over the course of

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the game, which gives you access
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like climbing gear or something. You
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scale a cliff and get up to
somewhere high, like you would need the

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appropriate use item on object venturing.
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more physicality to it than you know, Gone Home essentially was kind of just

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if you want to bring down the
gameplay, Yeah, it was just walk

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around and pick things up and read
them right, And this is you know,

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similarly focused on telling us a cohesive
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in the environment I think. And
also you're you're building your relationship with with

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the Lilah. It sounded like,
you know, you're kind of making some

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choices here and there about how you
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not one hundred percent a set story. You do have some agency and kind

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of how you develop your character.
It looks cool. I'm really looking forward

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to it. It's got some neat
ideas. It seems like an interesting way

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to evolve like a first person narrative
game you know, without yeah, without

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just like throwing some bullshit combat in
there just to pad it out. Well,

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I mean, who knows, maybe
you'll fight a bear at some point.

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We didn't really know. What if
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What if you fight like a beat, like a bear that's on on fire?

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Yeah? What a fire bear.
It's a bear made out of fire.

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It's got nothing to lose. Fire
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so it turns into a bear to
a bear. They have that in

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Scooby Doo Wrestlemanian Mystery. That's the
enemy as a fire bear. Yeah.

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See. Wow, there's precedence man. Okay, what else did we see

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it? Packs I saw. I
can't remember if I talked about this on

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either of the panels, but Evolve
that was one of the main things that

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you three. Did you get to
Did you get to play it? Yeah,

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it's awesome. I played as the
monster the Goliath, and that was

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one of the main things I really
wanted to check out of the three,

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but I wasn't there this year,
so I got to play a full round

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just the Goliath. Oh. I
should have gone with you, because I

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came out of the three wanting to
just play more Evolve it's awesome. It's

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great. Did you play as the
monster? No, I didn't get too

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I played. I think it's called
a solid whatever, the kind of heavy

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damage dealing classes. Yeah. Yeah, No, it's just super fun going

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around and killing weird dinosaur things and
eating them and you know, going into

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a corner and evolving and everything,
and you really do feel super powerful.

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Yeah, when you're playing the monster. I mean, but but at the

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same time, like the monster is
not invincible, like you have to run

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away, you have to pick.
Yeah, we we took it down.

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I mean, granted, we had
a we had a developer behind us telling

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our four man team like how to
tackle the situation, right, but we

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yeah, we took the monster down. Like you have to be smart as

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the monster and no, because you
know when you when you go to evolve,

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you you're vulnerable. And yeah,
it's it's you have to be careful.

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You got a no win to actually
like you know, face off against

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the four people because like right after
you evolve, you don't have shield or

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anything, and as you're eating more
or whatever, it's like, okay,

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I'm right before, I have all
to the next stepsode let me attack them

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now. Yeah. Yeah, it
seems like a lot of cat and mouse

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in there, and kind of no
one when to pick your battles. Yeah,

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when you're you're your strongest. They
were given out codes there for the

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big alpha, so what they're calling
it. We've reached a point now where

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open alpha, closed, alpha,
close, Like all the real terms have

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become so meaningless that they're just like
this will let you play in the big

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alpha. The term beta has really
fallen out of favor. Yeah, lately,

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it's like you've never seen like beta
exclusive about Beata. Beata just means

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demo. No, let me in
the alpha where the monster is just a

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gray box, right, Like it's
like you just lease people into a real

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alpha. Like like these words no
longer imply anything about the state of development.

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They're just a prestige term for how
early you get in that game.

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You're so special you get to play
with the early alpha if that game is

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in an alpha state, when they
let people play it, considering when it's

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gonna ship like Q one or something. Now, yeah, like February,

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Like that game is not an alpha. Yeah, that's fucking stupid. That's

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stupid. It's terrible. Marketing is
marketing doesn't care what words mean all know

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that. Nope, they really heard
marketing people here talk about our restaurant and

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call it an activation and I don't
know. I'm in physical pain right now.

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I don't even know. It's like, oh, yeah, our activation.

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You're just like you just nod your
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my stomach yeah, ah man,
that's they yep, they just they

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just redefine words willy nilly at their
pleasure. That's that's the wonder of marketing.

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But you get to just make sit
up. There was a time there

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where I was like, man,
it actually looks like kind of fun to

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this word. This word means what
I say. It means. I could

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just make up garbage all day long
and I could totally do that. Yeah.

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Yeah, that game. I'm looking
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had some concerns when I played at
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Like the early part of the match
for the human players seems like a lot

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of just running toward the monster.
Yep, Like all it is because you

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can't afford to let it like farm
to use like a MOBI term like and

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definitely you know you can't let it
just eating animals and leveling up. You

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gotta keep like harassing it as much
as you can, but also you want

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to try to find like whatever the
elite creeps are. If we're just gonna

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keep talking about MOBI terms and deny
them h and yes, deny them.

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Well also when you kill the elite
ones, perks pop out, oh for

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you? Yeah okay, so maybe
okay, And since it was our first

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time, maybe we just didn't get
that deep into what our other options were.

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If there are other things you can
do besides just running in a straight

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line towards the monster than that.
So I think I think there is an

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active denial there in that you are
denying the monster right ability to get some

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bonus, and you're getting selling the
elites. Yeah, okay, that sounds

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cool then uh well it stupid,
stupid Lael or not. I'm looking forward

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to whenever that alph opens up.
Yeah, like to put some big time

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into that. Yeah. The card
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the one that lasts is that the
one that lasts more than like two days.

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Probably not. That's the other thing
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no more, which I think for
some of this stuff is smart because like

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you would just burn out on it. Yeah. Maybe in a way that

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might impact people's interest in the full
game, right, like if people were

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able to play that Destiny beta for
like another week or something. Yeah,

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like uh like initially when enough content
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initially when that thing they SuDS gonna
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I was like, that's nothing,
Like, how am I even gonna check

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it out? But I've I've seen
like form chatter from some people saying like,

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yeah, I kind of got my
fill from that beta, now I'm

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not gonna buy it weird, So
yeah, I guess it's it's gonna walk

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into tight rope packs. What else
was there? We got to play gang

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Beasts against the guys who make a
game Beasts. Yes, that was bone

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Loaf, that is. I don't
know that i've properly. I think that's

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a really fun were expressed my adoration
for the name bone Loaf. It's really

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good, especially because their logo is
just like it's like a bone loaf.

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Yeah, yeah, I guess I've
never heard that called a bone loaf.

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Well I hadn't either, but it
looks like one. It's just a big

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old hung of meat with a bone
stone sticking through it and it's a real

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final fight look at life restoring sort
of thing. Yeah. Yes, I

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guess this is the bill that's on
early access right now, I think so.

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Yeah, I guess I heard some
people complaining about some changes to the

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physics and stuff. Yeah, I
didn't really feel that. I felt it

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felt different to me, but it
felt like more wild but also a little

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more controllable. I felt like lifting
people up worked a lot better. Yeah,

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I wasn't. I wasn't in any
way having trouble doing what I wanted

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to do. Yeah, And a
lot of the bounce came from the ability

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to kind of climb. Yeah,
I felt like I was kind of climbing

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up people to get away from them. Yeah, it was like a really

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fun, weird tactic. I haven't
mastered the climbing stuff yet because it seems

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I don't like they said you have
to double tap buttons to do it properly

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and stuff like that, which is
kind of sort of thing you just want

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to practice with her. Generally,
like the controls in that game are super

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tactile, you know. It's it's
all about like how the your limbs interact

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with with surfaces and stuff like that. So like to put kind of an

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arbitrary like double tap mechanic onto something, kick anyone where kind of got a

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place to me in there now.
No, I totally didn't remember that that

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was in there because the lift button
has changed to why, which is also

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the lift your arms up in cheering
like taunt position, which actually I think

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makes more physical sense. That's what
I mean, is exactly. That's what

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I mean. You literally just use
the two punch buttons someone or not right

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and the lift button to do it. Yeah, we'll have to try that

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stuff. They've got all the like
the health and stamina bars turned off now,

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which makes stuff like the kicking a
little weird to use, because if

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you're playing gang beasts at a high
level, huh, Like I am sure

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you want to. I mean you
want to, you know, wear people

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down because you know they get knocked
out briefly. Yeah, and that's when

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they can't struggle when you can pick
them up and throw them. Yeah.

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Yeah, so you want to you
want to make sure that you're hitting him

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and kicking him at the right time
to take him down and then just toss

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him over the reil. Yeah,
it was weird. It was weird on

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like Twitter or even in person this
weekend, seeing so many people like like

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awakening to the reality of Gang Beasts
because it feels like we've been playing it

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for ages. Yeah yeah, yeah, but build, it's been around,

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it's been you know. It was
like I think I want to say it

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was on the Sura or something,
but I think you just download it freely.

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It was on the green Light.
Yeah, I think it was on

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green Light when we found it.
Yeah, so they cleared green Light.

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They're up on Steam now, Yeah, for sale. Yeah, as an

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early access thing. They were saying
they want to eventually have like sixty levels

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in that thing. That's saying,
So that's crazy. Yeah, it looked

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like they've got the controller issues solved
in that build. I mean if they're

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if they're running an eight player game, then yeah, probably, But even

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just stuff like binding the buttons that
was always broken in the alpha. Yeah,

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Like seeing that thing be a little
more solid in terms of just usability

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is kind of nice. That's how
games work, I guess, So that's

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a real alpha controller doesn't work right. Yeah, we will definitely do a

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video with that soon. Got to
introduce Young Record here to the Magic game.

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You gotta look at it. Yeah, I haven't got to look at

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the older version even if you've never
played it, right, No, I've

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been intentionally saving it. When we
get to do the official I feel like

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you've You've brought it up like three
times since you got here, and every

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time they're like, Nope, you
gotta wait. From the looks of it,

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it looks incredible. It is.
It is amazing. I think I'd

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love it the best wrestling game.
It is absolutely the best wrestling game ever

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made, to the point that I
feel like the next Packs rumble, they

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should just put a right, We
should bug those guys to just put a

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Battle Royal mode in there. Oh
man, they should do that, and

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then I will demand that I'd be
included in that thing. Yeah, it

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was. It was fun to meet
those guys. They're very a spirited group

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of people. Yeah, and as
you would as you would expect from the

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people that got picked up by Double
font. Yeah. So, like they're

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putting it out now, it seems
like a match made in heaven. Uh

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yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
Yeah, uh so that was fun.

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Yeah. Gosh, I don't know. Packs is too big and dense and

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loud and busy, and it's hard
to keep track of stuff. It is

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definitely things I wish I had seen
that I didn't, but yeah, there

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was I wish I had just spent
more time walking around kind of writing down

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names of games so that now that
we're back we could kind of look at

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them. But a lot of them
were in the Indie Mega booth and that

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you'd find lists and I can just
go like, okay, that was that

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game and and look that stuff up. Sort of wanted to know a little

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more about the Beamon's new game.
But the Game four, calling the game

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four t shirts that said Game four
on it, It's like, come on

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at this well, at this point, I would almost like it better if

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they just shifted his Game four.
Maybe I don't know. I mean Game

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three didn't do it for me.
No, so i't a block. Yeah

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I liked I liked the presentation of
that game. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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that's opening when the art style that
the opening was incredible. I thought

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I liked the way it looks.
Yeah that was about it. Yeah,

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play it was. It was okay. But yeah, so this is a

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completely different game this, I would
hope. So this is this looks like

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a hex based turn based strategy game. Oh really, we're literally moving around

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to hex mail. Okay, I
haven't seen anything about them, so yeah,

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so let's see more about that.
That's cool. I'd like to see

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them do something dramatically different. Yeah, I guess. YEP, I guess

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that's all I can think of from
Packs. It's possibly time to close the

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book. I guess. So.
I don't know born was there playable like

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there was, you know, just
some of the bigger stuff. Saw that

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war playing forts rising too, and
uh, you know they they showed off

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some of the new Halo Master Chief
collection stuff or some stuff they haven't shown

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for that and it's some panel and
they announced that Saints Row Games. Yeah.

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We talked about that a lot on
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If

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you want our full thoughts on packs, make sure you watch watch the what

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do we call on the Friday Night
thing, it's on the site. It's

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on the site. Yeah. And
the note cards yeah yeah, and then

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yeah, there's feis freously cutting away
on the the legit panel video, so

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that'll be up to Yeah, if
you want our full thoughts on everything.

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Yeah, and I'm in that state
right now where I'm wondering if I'm going

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to get sicker. Yeah. We
already know people who were buckling to the

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post packs. My boys is a
little thrashed from just all the yelling and

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stuff. That's why I flew home. I don't feel actually sick why I

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flew home on Sunday. I mean
for me, like Sunday was so relaxed

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anyway. Yeah, I guess I
could see that it wasn't still sleeping in

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my real bed Sunday night. And
yeah, Monday off for Lamber Day was

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kind of nice. I'm waiting for
Pink. I had to set in since

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I did a bunch of Oculus games. Yeah they had little baby wipes though.

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Yeah, so I don't know if
they had that last time there was

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some epidemic or whatever. See anything
impressive on there, just the Yeah,

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the stuff I talked about on the
panel that you know, Lucky's Tale was

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one of the first like platformers I've
I've done. I don't think I talked

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about eve Valkrie, but yeah,
I played the newest build of that,

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and I still like that a lot. So there's something weird about like being

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able to look down and see your
body and like it makes you want to

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like sit in that position. Because
I had my legs crossed when I started

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and I was like, wait,
this looks weird because it feels like my

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legs across but it looks like they're
not. But yeah, being able to

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look behind and look at the cockpit
and everything, it's you know, it's

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it's super cool. Still like a
lot. Yeah. The Enemy Starfighter is

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another one. Like, you know, any any game in a cockpit is

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gonna work really well with the headmounted
display. I was watching some people play

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that and it looks awesome. All
right, well, later packs twenty fourteen,

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Yeah, packs, Prime packs,
West, packs, Seattle whatever.

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Yeah, see you see you in
six months packs? All right, not

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even that much if we go to
San Antonio, what are you talking about?

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Yeah? Pack South is like January
or and so wait really I think

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so you know, I know when
it is. I mean the other thing,

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Oh about us going Yeah, I
mean why not? I don't know.

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That's a lot of packs. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see.

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Uh, no decisions have been made. We're just gonna start following packs

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around like it's the Grateful Dead.
Yeah right, I don't know. Yeah,

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it seemed like I was talking to
people that were exhibiting at packs this

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time, kind of talking about San
Antonio. It seemed like everyone was really

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unsure about it and just how big
it's gonna be you and how much a

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matter like you know, if they're
gonna go o. It was just like,

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I don't know, like the timing
of it's a little big our game

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and so you know that we don't
really have anything to show, so we

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might not go you know, of
course. I mean if you're an indie

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working on a more fluid schedule or
you don't have a specific quarter you have

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to hit, yeah, maybe you're
more likely to have something worth showing there.

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But but yeah, it is a
weird time for the well not next

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year though, because so many games
got pushed into like February March that yeah,

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there'd be some stuff. There will
be a ridiculous list of kay can

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bring evolving. Yeah, like big
games that it still won't be out.

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Yeah, that'll be the way they
launched the big Elpha, right, like

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blood Bourne will be a month off
a bunch of stuff, right, What

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else is going on? Guys?
Oh jeez, let's see. I played

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some games right before packs and then
kind of got back and tried. But

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Dance Central Spotlight is out, Okay, that's sort of just came out of

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nowhere. Yeah, apparently it's surprised
the people responsible for its release that it

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come out day early. I got
that impression it was supposed to be out

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today. It actually it got out
last night at some point. But even

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with the like kind of the day
early release, I didn't realize it was

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so close to release in general.
Yeah, that's the thing is when they

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say a game is going to be
out in September, Yeah, you think

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it's like forever away, and then
now it's September two, and there we

407
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.440
are, Oh god it is Yeah, video games are back. Madden came

408
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.880
out, it did. Madden came
out like that snuck by me. Like

409
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.880
we ran a review of it,
and I was like, oh right,

410
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.839
Madden. Right, it doesn't have
like the it doesn't have the alarming quality

411
00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.359
that he used to yeah where Madden
comes out and you're like, oh go

412
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:26.119
out here we go, yeah,
like brace yourselves. Yeah. So I

413
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:27.319
played some Dance Central Spotlight. I
played a little bit of it. I

414
00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.119
was just like, ah, you
know, download this real quick. Like

415
00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.000
I don't have a connect set up
in a like a large space, but

416
00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:37.240
I decided to just like turn it
on in my bedroom and just see if

417
00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.119
it worked at all. I figured
it wouldn't. It totally did better than

418
00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.079
because I think we all remember your
travails with the previous Dance Central product.

419
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.920
Yeah, that thing didn't work.
Yeah, very well, you know.

420
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.079
And it was one of those things
where it's like, I'm not really sure

421
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.680
why, Like part of it was
probably because there's a skylight in the room

422
00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.960
I was playing it in, so
maybe sunlight interrupts the connect. I don't

423
00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:02.079
know, Like the old Connect was
so finnicky. That's the thing, you

424
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:06.519
know. Now we're on ostensibly a
much better piece of hardware. Yeah,

425
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.720
so so that's the thing is.
I played in a very confined space,

426
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.039
kind of standing not dead center against
the camera, kind of off to the

427
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:17.359
side, like far back, but
like still much closer to the camera than

428
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:21.200
you would ever expect for old Connect
stuff. And it was still like picking

429
00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:25.519
me up. I was still like
effectively dancing. No major issues with it

430
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.319
misreading your movements, no, no, no. The other thing I realized

431
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:32.960
while playing through this one is the
thing that was was getting in the way

432
00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:38.559
with me all along is that the
body parts glow red when you are when

433
00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.319
you don't have them in the right
place. But they glow red in such

434
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.559
a way that I can't see oh
wow, huh, And there's no option

435
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.200
to change that. No, no, that doesn't seem like there's any color

436
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:53.880
blind option in there, so like
I cannot get that feedback, and they

437
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.039
haven't changed that in this new one, same same shade of red. No

438
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.799
no, but the tutorial kind of
called it out in a way that like

439
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.440
showed the red in a way that
like I'm like staring at the screen and

440
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.440
noticing like, okay, I can
see it. Like it's one of those

441
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.599
things where well, I don't know's
it's it's really hard to describe, I

442
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:14.000
suppose for for people that don't see
things this way or whatever, But it's

443
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.119
a thing that if I'm staring at
it extremely intently and looking for a change,

444
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.480
I can see like, Okay,
that has changed, and I can

445
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.400
see the red, but in the
heat of the moment, like in the

446
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.440
heat of action, totally lost,
not enough to get your stay flashy background

447
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.640
all this other stuff, like no
part of it stands out. So so

448
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:36.119
that's still the case with this.
So yeah, I don't know, like

449
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.160
it's it seems like it works well
and it's very stripped down you know,

450
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.079
there's no like time travel, storylining
and that stuff. Like it's just like

451
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.599
here is a shell. It is
ten dollars, It comes with some songs.

452
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.960
It is they are going to do
DLC. It is very focused on

453
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.480
just like here you should dance.
It seems like the right way to do

454
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.680
that thing. It seems like how
they should have issued some of that stuff

455
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.960
all right. Is it like here's
a digital thing that you can constantly add

456
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.079
on to instead of it's a really
low initial buy in to see if you're

457
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.480
into it and then if you if
you are, there's a lot more content

458
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.440
presumably there, right, yeah,
instead of just like here's go buy a

459
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.200
disc and then we're gonna put a
sequel to that disc, like you know,

460
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.279
like it always just felt like that
was well, I mean they had

461
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:18.640
to do that because that's where the
market it was, and probably in some

462
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:23.160
ways still is of just people not
understanding how to buy things digitally. As

463
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:27.480
the song line up, I forget, it's like ten songs. Sure is

464
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.680
there a whole store available now or
is it they've got some stuff up there

465
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:34.640
now? And they're saying that like
when they so if you bought DLC for

466
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:41.640
old Dance Central. It's not all
coming in today, but like, if

467
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.680
they add those songs later to the
new one, you will get them for

468
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.200
free if you if you purchase them
previously. That's nice. So that that,

469
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:49.960
but that's not even a guarantee that
every single piece of DLC will come

470
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.599
over. It just means that if
they do, you'll get it. I

471
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.759
don't know, Uh, yeah,
I don't like. Yeah, that's that's

472
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.480
always been a really popular dancing franchise, So it makes sense for them to

473
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.960
do another one, even if like
and it's like kind of a bad time

474
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.799
for it because now, like where
we're at right now, I don't know

475
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.039
that there's even a way to get
a Connect if you're going out to buy

476
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:15.279
an Xbox One. They like the
new Connect, the standalone Connect is not

477
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.200
on sale. They I don't know
if it's all the bundle is like missing

478
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.240
or what wait, you mean the
original? I haven't seen any other really.

479
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.359
Yeah, I was gonna say,
even if it was out there,

480
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.359
I have to imagine that the lion's
share of new Xbox One sales or the

481
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.640
three nine nine model. Yeah,
and I'm looking to buy an Xbox One

482
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:30.880
bundle, and I see there's the
Madden one that's out now, and I

483
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.960
think there's like Advanced Warfare and senseet
Overdrive coming in the next couple of months.

484
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.920
And yeah, none of them have
to connect, right, right,

485
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.480
but you already have a connect,
so I do have a connect. So

486
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:44.400
you're a set. You're in an
odd situation. They're gonna they're gonna sell

487
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.799
that stuff separately for one fifty,
right yeah, which is kind of crazy,

488
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.880
right. Yeah. I want to
say there was some quote from like

489
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.279
Phil Spencer where he was like,
well, I gotta sell it for more

490
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.559
than you can get it into a
bundle. Well, I mean they're probably

491
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:56.359
taking a hit on it, which
I would say, no, you don't.

492
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.480
Well no they don't, but you
know they're probably taking hit on it

493
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.359
by including it in the box.
So sure, yeah, but it is

494
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.359
you know, like from a consumer
standpoint, you know, it's like,

495
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.039
oh, I'm taking a fifty dollars
penalty by not getting it right up front.

496
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.720
Yeah, but you know, also
there's it seems like there's less of

497
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.559
a way to get it up front
because all of the skews they're shipping don't

498
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.440
have it in there. Do you
think, I mean, do you think

499
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:21.079
we're moving toward a future where there
just is no four ninety nine Xbox One

500
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:22.759
anymore. I think, so,
what's happening? Well? No, what,

501
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.400
there's ninety nine and one that comes
with a tarabyte hard drive, and

502
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:32.160
I have called that one that's the
Call of Duty console. Is the only

503
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.000
one with the tarabyte drive? Yeah, I didn't so far. Almost like

504
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.960
they said, like, man,
the design of this came out really ugly.

505
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.119
We better find another way to make
people excited about it. Let's put

506
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.119
a bigger hard drive in it.
Okay, m but does that bundle not

507
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.200
have of the connect then? I
don't think it does. I thought it

508
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.279
did. I don't think any of
the bundles do. Huh. That doesn't

509
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.240
seem like a great deal then,
No, just a game and a bigger

510
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.359
hard drive for an extra hundred bucks
a game sixty Yeah, but the Sunset

511
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.240
over Drive bundle is three ninety nine, so you're basically getting a game for

512
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.400
free. But it's something Overdrive and
not Call Duty. I would much rather

513
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.319
play sid Overdrive. I just pre
ordered the I mean, it's the first

514
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.519
party, third party thing. You
know, they can throw They can give

515
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.000
you a first party game for free. Sure, sure, Activision has to

516
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.319
get theirs. I just pre ordered
the Destiny white PS four bundle, and

517
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.519
I was kind of surprised because that's
four fifty so isn't Yeah, so I'm

518
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.559
only saving like ten bucks, I
guess. So you like the white PS

519
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.000
four, you know, I figured
out, let's go for a change.

520
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.839
You know, before I had all
the black consoles, and the white controller

521
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.400
looks pretty cool, right, The
controller looks cool. I saw it.

522
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.440
They had the PS four A and
the Xbox, both the white models that

523
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.119
packs them if you go saw them. Yeah, and I saw the Xboxes.

524
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.880
I didn't see the display cases.
I don't know they look all right.

525
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.200
I had a white PS three controller, uh that I bought back in

526
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.200
OH seven that I imported from Japan
and used that all the way through the

527
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.559
rest of that generation. So I
might actually just get a white PS four

528
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.880
controller. You know, I think
the console itself is going to look better

529
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:55.839
as far as not collecting dust.
Yeah, you know, black, I

530
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:57.200
mean it would get real dusty,
so I don't know, I'll give it

531
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:02.599
a shut. Ultimately, it's the
color of the console and doesn't matter that

532
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.960
much. You're nerely ever going to
see it, so whatever. But you're

533
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.720
right, but whatever, if you
have options and yeah, you're buying one

534
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.160
right now? Sure, why not? Yeah, I will probably check out

535
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.160
dance Central. You said there's like
a fitness mode in there. I know

536
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.240
they have that in the past.
But yeah, you have to I think

537
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.480
you have to unlock the additional routines. So it kind of starts you out

538
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.799
with like basic routines and you collect
moves by get by doing them perfectly,

539
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.519
and I think as you collect them, you unlock the additional routines for that

540
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.400
song. It's like eight routines per
song or something like that. They've got

541
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.400
like a couple of different fitness options
and stuff like that. So uh,

542
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:38.920
yeah, I don't know. It
seems like, you know, if you

543
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.160
like dance Central and stuff like this
seems like a smarter way to sell it

544
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.319
and just like, you know,
taking advantage of the better technology to let

545
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.000
you play it in a smaller room. So sure, I think that that

546
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.960
sounds all right, Yeah, play
anything else. I messed round with the

547
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:03.599
SIMS four that's out today. I
don't like barely enough to even talk about.

548
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.559
Like I created a character and then
she was walking around a house and

549
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.720
then I had this I like,
well, I guess you could take a

550
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.799
shower and then I was like,
I don't want to do this, and

551
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.960
then just hit all F four and
walked away. Shooter. Huh. I

552
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:18.920
don't know if it's saved the game. I don't know. It's just like

553
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.759
nope, nope, nope, didn't. I mean, I haven't played a

554
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.279
SIMS game since the first one.
I played some SIMS too, but barely

555
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.079
any. But I mean, yeah, like I got way into SIMS one

556
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.319
and that's about it. But I
mean, starting this off, does it

557
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:33.599
just feel like a SIMS game?
Like I don't know how much they could

558
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.279
traits and stuff. It was just
like, you know, some stuff like

559
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.960
that. In SIMS three they had
like aspirations or whatever, right, so

560
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.240
this has like you know, you
you assign a handful of personality traits that

561
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.359
would make them better or worse at
certain things. There's like a personality trait

562
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.359
that's just insane, which makes the
sim talk to themselves and generally be erratic.

563
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.680
You can make them books smart.
You can make it so they're quick

564
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.759
learners so they level up whatever stats
faster. You can make them romantic so

565
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.839
if they don't, you know,
they'll they'll be happy about relationship stuff and

566
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.519
and their happiness will drain if they
are not near a relationship thing within a

567
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.559
certain amount of time or Yeah,
and then from there there's like a subcategory

568
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.799
of like you want to be with
as many partners as possible versus you want

569
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.799
to settle down. Okay, you
know, all very human type of stuff.

570
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:30.559
I guess, I'm sure. And
then it got to a point where

571
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.880
it's like, now, just design
what the sim looks like. I just

572
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.400
don't care, like when it comes
to that sort of stuff, Like,

573
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.400
I know, some people are just
like they want to like they were,

574
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.440
They want to tell their story and
they want to make their sims look a

575
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.799
certain way. I was just like, yeah, default, ladies, fine,

576
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.960
I don't know. Like I played
around with the sliders a bit and

577
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.160
said, like, well, I
can make her look like she got a

578
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:52.440
bunch of butt injections or not,
like weird illegal back room hotel butt injections,

579
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.400
Like none of this looks, None
of this looks right? Is that?

580
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.440
Is that you writing your own story? Starting to write my own story?

581
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.240
Also, I named her truck Stick, you know, which I felt

582
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:06.400
was a you know, it's ea
game, it's miss truck still Okay,

583
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.400
she had a baseball hat. I
don't know. Yeah, it's yeah,

584
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.880
I don't know if that thing is
is ever for going to be for me

585
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.240
anymore. But I sure did play
Sam's Won a lot. Yeah, it

586
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.240
was very novel at the time.
It was like many many, many years

587
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.759
ago. Yeah, I just don't
know if I want to hear any more

588
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.759
of that. But yeah, you
know, there was nothing in the game

589
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.319
necessarily that turned me off of it
and made me stop. It was more

590
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.599
of just like a It felt like
an hours, hours, hours long commitment.

591
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.559
Right after I got off a plane, and I was just like,

592
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.400
nope, dip dip dip, and
I had to shut it down, not

593
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.200
deal, could not deal. I
propose that you not invest any more time

594
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.160
in the SIMS four until we sit
down into a video. Yeah, let's

595
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.000
just discover it together, okay,
yeah, all right, we can enjoy

596
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.000
discovery documented in you know, in
real time. Yeah, we can discover

597
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.839
the SIMS four. You, me
and truck Stick. Yeah, if those

598
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:00.240
saves carry over, I don't know, I might be on my home machine.

599
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.400
I don't know if they cloud save
on Origin or not. I don't

600
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.679
think they do. All right,
then then we'll create a new truck stick.

601
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.400
I guess, I don't know,
Yeah that that's out there. I

602
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.079
don't know. It's the SIMS,
Yeah, probably, I don't know.

603
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.159
There were a lot of people getting
like really angry about like certain things that

604
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.920
were weren't in the game, just
stuff like there's no pools, what you

605
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.519
can't mess around fibrows or you know, it's like weird stuff like that,

606
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:30.239
SIMS. SIMS have to go swimming
at some point. Then you'd think,

607
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.039
I don't know, and then it's
people, you know, because it's EA

608
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.079
and people like, well, you
know, they're probably gonna sell you a

609
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.199
pool party pack later or whatever,
SIMS for pool party. I'm yeah,

610
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.079
it's you know, not to discount
that rage or whatever, because I'm sure

611
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.119
the people who are into the SIMS
are obviously way fucking into it, and

612
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.639
so they have a reason to be
outraged by that the same way I was

613
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.960
outraged Call of Duty didn't have headquarters. Sure, but it's pools. Come

614
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.559
yep. I don't know. I've
I really don't know, like that that

615
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.760
might be a terrible fucking quick look. I just feel so far like removed

616
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.559
from that time of my life where
I might have been willing to invest weekends

617
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:13.760
and weeks in the sims. That's
it's just all lost on me at that.

618
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.480
You know, there's some value in
seeing if it's something you could come

619
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.360
back to or not. Sure,
Yeah, I guess we'll we'll find up

620
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.320
together. Somebody's got to do it. Yeah, anything else, No,

621
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:28.000
that's it. I got back and
like messed around with Diablo on PS four,

622
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.519
like I'm having that problem now where
they So they patched the PC version

623
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.559
of Diablo three. Yeah big with
all that season stuff and all that,

624
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.440
and I kind of want to see
that stuff. Yeah, but at my

625
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.760
level seventies on PS four and they're
eventually going to bring that patch over.

626
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.519
So I wonder how long I did
decide like should I get? What should

627
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.559
I do? Sure I would sit
on it for a while. Yeah,

628
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:52.639
personally, I started a Demon Hunter
on PS four, Yes, it started.

629
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:53.800
I didn't mess around with that.
I really enjoy that class. I

630
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.719
saw really high level one that was
just like dumping just crossbow shots out at

631
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.480
an alarming rate. That looks like
fun. Yeah, so I just want

632
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.719
to try that. It felt it
felt really weak early on. I felt

633
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.440
like I was just you know,
it's just a range early game feels like

634
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.039
super weak because it's just like,
you know, you have moves like fucking

635
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.639
drop caltrops to slow them, keep
them from getting to you. And I'm

636
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.280
like, that's not the gameplay I
want, but I'm gonna stick with it

637
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:21.360
a little bit. Sure him,
Sure him. Enjoying the Crusader though,

638
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:27.800
Yeah, Crusaders Supersaders a fun class
absolutely beefy tough. Yep, damn,

639
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.960
she don't take no shit. I
think I made a good call for the

640
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.000
first time as far as storage options
on a new console. Yeah. I

641
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.480
usually tell myself that when I get
a new console, like, Okay,

642
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.360
I got the Vida on launch day
eight gigs. That's a decent amount of

643
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.440
gigs. Then you go home and
you like download Uncharted and four gigs or

644
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.039
whatever. This is gonna be a
problem, especially with PS Plus and everything.

645
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:51.280
So I just got the new Vida
with the Borderlands to bundle or whatever,

646
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.599
which I don't need Borderlines too.
I'm not gonna play it on there,

647
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.920
but just with with PlayStation Plus and
everything. In a lot of PS

648
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.840
one classics, I just it's one
hundred dollars, which sucks ass. But

649
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.159
I got the sixty four Giga by
memory cards is it is that what is

650
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:05.599
down too? That's I mean not
that that's good, but it's better than

651
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.800
I thought because I paid the thirty
two was like eighty when I got it.

652
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.639
Wow, I expected the hundred,
I mean the sixty four to just

653
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.679
be like way over one hundred.
But okay, no, I have like

654
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:16.159
an eight and two sixteens with my
old one. It's like, this is

655
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.039
stupid. I have to like the
label on this tiny little thing. Somehow

656
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:21.760
They're like, well, this is
for all my classic games, and this

657
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.320
is for all my PS plus stuff. So now it's just like I can

658
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.039
just load up everything. Hopefully I
don't need to do much of the like

659
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:32.559
kill Zone or everything. No you
have on your account, No, but

660
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.559
all the Hotline Miamis and like,
you know, get some fighting games on

661
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:37.920
there, A lot of indie stuff, as you know, hope I can

662
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.920
get all that stuff out there.
I actually find that generally there's an inverse

663
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.000
proportion, or an inverse relationship between
the size of a game on the Vida

664
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.159
and how much I want to play
it. Yeah. Yeah, so like

665
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.920
typically the smaller it is, the
more indie it is, the more I

666
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.719
actually am interested. The larger it
is, the more likely you are to

667
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.559
look at it and go like,
man, I'd rather play this on a

668
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:57.960
console. Yea, yeah, absolutely, Yeah that's the case with the Kills

669
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.159
oone game and all that stuff.
It's just it's great not to worry about

670
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.039
that, because like I got the
thirty two gig card for my three DS,

671
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.960
and like I just download everything,
so you know, I've got all

672
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.199
these full games on there, and
it's just so nice not have to worry

673
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.079
about it. I never have to
look at how many blocks are left or

674
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.800
how many gigs I have left.
So I'm pretty sure once I get everything

675
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.679
download it, I'm gonna be happy
to have a bunch more space. Well

676
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.360
I'm afraid you're going to run into
all sorts of trouble with your three DS

677
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.440
and your thirty two gigs and all
this other stuff. Yeah yeah, Why

678
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.920
is that because you got the transfer
it to a new system. Oh oh,

679
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.480
I know the LLL. Yeah,
well I'll probably get that. I

680
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.000
don't think it's gonna be called that
over here, no, yeah whatever is

681
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.519
like that's like they called it LLL. The old one was called ll there

682
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.960
too. Also, that's just like
typical like Japanese parlance. For for for

683
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.719
extra large. When you go to
Japan and get a go to McDonald's and

684
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.639
get a combo and the l size, it's not enough for you. They

685
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.599
have ll So this is gonna be
like the four DS. Yeah used two?

686
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.400
Where used one? Yeah you transfer
you go. It's tough time traveling

687
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.239
wow ds Okay, I'll definitely get
that. I had to create a new

688
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.559
platform page. Yeah, not to
just get into news here, but I

689
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.800
guess that's kind of well we are. Yeah, you know, we talked

690
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.440
about this some during the panel,
so we can. I spent some time

691
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.880
yesterday creating a new platform page for
new Nintendo three DS. So do you

692
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.000
call it? So? What do
you we get? What max of four

693
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.960
characters for platforms? That's what I
would have it too. I think,

694
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:25.920
you know, I said it during
the panel and I'll say it again.

695
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.880
And I think if they had just
called this thing the three DS, I

696
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.760
would have made a lot more sense
to people. It's it's the slight iteration

697
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.119
on the existing platform that's still compatible, but a little bit faster, so

698
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.079
it will have a few exclusive things. What happens when they put out the

699
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:45.119
new two DS, Super two DS, Super Super two DS huh, I

700
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.320
don't. I mean, do you
think they will? I don't know.

701
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.719
I can't. I have no idea. I'd be fine if the new three

702
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.360
DS did not have three D.
I know they said that they fixed it,

703
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.119
and we first heard that, I
was like, oh cool, I

704
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.000
can finally use it, realizing point
and then I realizedeah, I'm probably STI

705
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.800
I'm not going to use it.
And listen, if it totally totally works

706
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.840
the way they're saying it will,
I might use it. But I don't

707
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.159
know. I never had a real
problem with not being able to see the

708
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.639
three DS. So the idea that
like it'll have a wider viewing angle,

709
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.480
like, that's nice, but it's
not a huge change. You play with

710
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.239
three D on usually when I start
a new game, I will turn on

711
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:21.920
three D and play with it for
a while. And I was just like,

712
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.079
okay, I'm gonna get down to
business now and just turn it to

713
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.159
a two D. Well. They
made such a big deal when it was

714
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.760
coming out that Miamoto said some Latin
awada about like, oh, well this

715
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:31.280
is gonna be It's not just a
cosmetic thing. This is like games are

716
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.280
gonna be designed around this, and
you're gonna need to use it. And

717
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.079
like, the only times I saw
them actually utilized that were a couple of

718
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:38.960
little rooms in Mario three D Land. Yeah, we're like, oh,

719
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.920
one block would be kind of sticking
out. And then and even there,

720
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.360
if you remember, there was a
little like helper function where you can get

721
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:46.599
button to have it kind of reveal
what the depth was. I mean,

722
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:50.960
I think it, but necessity it
has to be cosmetic because there are people

723
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:52.719
out there who have a hard time
seeing that stuff. And also now they're

724
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.159
selling a yeah now doesn't have three
D, so you know, they kind

725
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.760
of can't rely on it. It
seems like they wanted to build link between

726
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.519
worlds on a lot of that stuff, because there's a lot of real vertical

727
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.239
dungeons and you see link just buying
up the floor to floor. But I

728
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.199
mean that's not really gameplay. That's
kind of cosmetic. Yeah, yeah,

729
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.119
yeah, I don't know if I
mean, I can almost see them not

730
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.559
doing a new two DS because maybe, you know, any any super important

731
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.719
core first party franchise is going to
be compatible with the original installed base,

732
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.679
which is enormous, right, like
any new Pokemon game or anything like that,

733
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.800
They're not no, because why would
a third party then take advantage of

734
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.320
this split? Like little bit,
if they don't make games that are new

735
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.840
three DS only, then that is
a third parties certainly aren't going to be

736
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.559
incentivized to do it. Forget third
parties. I'm saying that, like,

737
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.639
I mean that that is tens of
millions of units that you are excluding from

738
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.239
potentially buying a game that except that
a lot of them are gonna world those

739
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.320
you know, the people that bought
a three DS now or you know,

740
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.679
they're the die hard people that will
buy another one, but not necessarily kids

741
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.599
whose parents bought them a two DS
and don't want to run out and buy

742
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.519
another. So I would think that
like stuff that was like super kid oriented,

743
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.159
That's what I mean. I'm talking
to stuff like Pokemon. Yeah,

744
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.719
so I mean when they finally get
around and making a new Pokemon game,

745
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.320
maybe it's new three DS enhanced instead
of exclusive to the new three DS.

746
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.559
But but we'll see. I don't
know, Like I'm trying to think,

747
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.159
like what the number of Game Boy
color only games were It got to be

748
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:22.079
a pretty big number eventually. Is
that all the Clear ones were color only?

749
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:28.679
Yeah? Yeah, Like wasn't that
Medal Black cartridges were playable on both

750
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.840
Awakening could be were Yeah, I
think I remember, like the Medal Gear

751
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:38.079
Ghost Babble was color. I think
color only. Yeah, there were quite

752
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:39.880
a few of them by by the
time. I mean that thing had a

753
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.840
good run, right, you know, it got established and but you know,

754
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.119
the third party situation was very different
at that point. So I don't

755
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.039
know that this is going to be
something that third parties will get excited about.

756
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.119
I've kind of heard that the power
bump kind of brings it a little

757
00:42:54.159 --> 00:43:00.239
more in line with the Wii spec
wise, and so oh yeah, sense

758
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.000
that Zeno Blade is the game is
the first new three DS game, and

759
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:07.079
now it's because that's a that's a
wee game, So it could put them

760
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.760
in a position to do some more
we port work. Yeah, they could

761
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.320
do Mario Galaxy. That would be
amazing. I don't know that would saw

762
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:15.239
actually be a pretty good and three
D I saw a lot of people Yeah,

763
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.000
but wouldn't you rather than make a
new one? Yeah? Yeah,

764
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.639
yeah. Yeah. Also I saw
a lot of people talking like that version

765
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.880
of Zeno Blade based on the footage
so far, is is like fairly compromised

766
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.000
visually. Oh, yeah. Okay, So like, I don't know that.

767
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.239
Do you really want like a kind
of a bad looking version of Mario

768
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.159
Galaxy. I guess I want to
Mario Galaxy. Yeah, but yeah,

769
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.719
it's I still want that thing.
I mean it's I'm not saying it's entirely

770
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.039
rational, but I look at it
with those super Famicom colored buttons. I

771
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.519
want them to stop. There going
to have those when the kid comes here.

772
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.519
Man, it's not gonna have those
when it comes. Just give me

773
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.239
this. I want them is going
to have those when it comes. I

774
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.280
don't think so. No, it's
gonna be called ZL and Z are still,

775
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:58.480
which is the stupidest thing in the
world. And Nintendo is really good

776
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:02.800
at naming buttons. Yeah, really
hated that plus and minus They still do

777
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.320
and minus buttons. I don't know. I mean the idea of a an

778
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.199
updated version of the Smaller form Factor
with a good battery and some other stuff

779
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.000
kind of exciting. I guess the
smaller form Factor has a slightly larger screen

780
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:21.719
really too, Okay, that makes
it okay, but then the XL is

781
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.360
more or less unchanged. Okay,
one of those weirdos that actually prefers the

782
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.920
smaller three days. Wow, I
thought the XL is a huge upgrade.

783
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.760
Yeah, totally. I think you're
crazy. Yeah, that is entirely possible.

784
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.960
I will allow for that. Yeah, I don't know, I just

785
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.840
did. I don't It will have
it's built in NFC stuff so they can

786
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:43.159
do their amibo business. If the
libraries get to a certain point, they

787
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.119
could, you know, maybe do
the Skylanders and Infinity stuff without a portal.

788
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.719
I don't know if those are the
same, if that talks to each

789
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.840
other, but I think they're in
a really weird spot. Yeah, they

790
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.440
definitely When they had the Game Boy
Color come out, like the software for

791
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:04.119
their handhelds was so unstoppable first party, that ton of third party support for

792
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.280
the Game Boy. You know,
third parties were lining up. It's like

793
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:08.519
fuck it, man, Yeah I
can't color. Sure, let's do it,

794
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:14.119
you know. Uh. And and
I feel like the situation has largely

795
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:15.800
changed. Yeah, it's true.
I mean, you know, things do

796
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.199
seem a little precarious for them,
Like, yeah, the only thing I

797
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.760
will say that history has taught us
is that, like every time you could

798
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.199
look at Nintendo and count them out, like they came back somehow, you

799
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.960
know, Like I feel like itsn't
it. But it's never been like this.

800
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.119
No, I know, I knows
that, and you're right, Yeah,

801
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:36.880
you're absolutely right, but it's never
been like that. It's sure,

802
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.199
there are certain factors that are different
at this time that are kind of scary

803
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.880
for them, but you never know
totally. Yeah, And it's not like

804
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.079
they're like, you know, we're
not sitting here like they're gonna go on

805
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.719
a business because they're doing this,
Like no, obviously they have plenty of

806
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.039
money, but it's one of those
things where like they kind of keep repeating

807
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.639
mistakes. You know. It's like, I think one of the large criticisms

808
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.599
that people have had for their entire
product line right now is that the naming

809
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:00.880
is really fucked. You know,
the WEU the three DS, the two

810
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.119
DS that you know, so they
had a chance to really differentiate and try

811
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:09.559
to separate. They're handheld, and
what do they do new three ds?

812
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.960
Yep, that's insane, Yeah,
kind of you know, like Apple did

813
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.239
it and it sucked for them too. They didn't even release stick. They

814
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.039
still don't refer to that as like
the new iPad. I don't think,

815
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:23.880
in fact, think it's just the
iPad now, Well, it never said,

816
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.719
like the new iPad on the box, I thought it an iPad?

817
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.519
Okay, was it like the third
one or something where they had a press

818
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.880
conference and like everyone was calling it
the new iPad. I believe those case.

819
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.079
Yeah, now it was just the
air right. Yeah. Yeah.

820
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.639
They had to find different ways to
differentiate the product line just to make it

821
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.960
make sense, and Nintendo has completely
failed to do that. I mean,

822
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.960
that's whatever. It's not a make
or break because ultimately they're going to sell

823
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.199
it to people that are savvy and
no games, because those are the sort

824
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.159
of people that are buying that system
now and kids, which you know a

825
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.599
lot of kids try to stay in
the loop. I'm sure they'll they'll figure

826
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.840
it out, and they're they're even
being forthcoming about that. Now. There's

827
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:01.840
that quote Fromamoto floating around right now
about like, yeah, we're not going

828
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.840
after the casual market anymore. Like
that. They don't have it, you

829
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:08.360
know, like they know that they
got it by, you know, with

830
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:13.840
a lightning strike. It wasn't like
something that they necessarily set out to do

831
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.119
from the beginning. They just kind
of made a lot of money and then

832
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:21.760
kind of leaned into it for a
while. But yeah, I don't know,

833
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.840
like it's just a it's a it
seems like a solid divide. I

834
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.599
don't know. I think that right
analog nub looks like shit, yeah it

835
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.480
mouse things that you just like are
never fun to use, Like imagine controlling

836
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.480
with the camera in the first game
with that thing. Or button placement on

837
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.440
the shoulders looks a little. It's
kind of strange for me. But you

838
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.760
know, maybe it's fine. I
mean, it's one of the things where

839
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.480
it's not maybe it won't duplicate.
You know, they have all the buttons

840
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.320
in the right places now to basically
make a modern game pad. They're just

841
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.719
weird, you know, the shoulder
buttons are not are not you know,

842
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.559
back or not back to back their
side side by side. That right nub

843
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.440
looks like maybe the sea yeah,
well no, and it looks like the

844
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.760
little it looks like a pencil eraser. Yeah they are they they're officially calling

845
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.519
like the sea stick, are they? Yeah? They did liking it to

846
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:15.960
those the sea stick on the the
GameCube. I just like that then,

847
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.599
fine, but it looks more like
I'm with you would be on a think

848
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.440
path or something absolutely the like from
the nineties, and you're like this sucks.

849
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.079
Yeah, let's plug in a mouse. Ye so yeah, I don't

850
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.400
know. But and also they're changing
to micro st so you won't be able

851
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.360
to just take your heart out and
move it open. Well whatever, I

852
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.239
mean, yeah you oh wait,
yeah, you're right, you will.

853
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.199
In that case, you'll have to
you'll have to probably do their system transfer,

854
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.679
yeah, their formal system transfer process. Yeah, but you know,

855
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.920
SD cards are cheap. It's not
the end of the world. Yeah,

856
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.039
yeah, yeah, it's it's not
that bad. So yeah, well what

857
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.760
every case, we're not going to
get a look at it for a while.

858
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.239
It's yeah, it's out in October
in Japan, but it's not even

859
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:58.159
coming out here for who knows how
long, right, I guess. The

860
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.280
only other thing is that they said
off this year here. Yeah, for

861
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.679
Europe they said they dead definitively said
twenty fifteen, and then North America they

862
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:10.239
said nothing. So yea, but
obviously it'd be twenty fifteen. Indeed,

863
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.960
Well, unless anybody else got anything, I guess we should just keep talking

864
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:22.880
about news. Yeah all right,
yeah, because I didn't. I played

865
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.519
spell Fall on the iPad. If
you've guys have heard of that, I

866
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:30.039
haven't, so it's I cannot I'm
trying to remember the name. I think

867
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.639
Backflip Studios is what they're called now. It's Dylan Job's company. It's the

868
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.679
guys who made you know, they
used to be Lightbox, they made star

869
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.840
Hawk. Okay, it's you know
they you know they've been Oh so is

870
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:42.639
this is this the ship combat thing
they made? No, that's plunder not

871
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.880
I think it was their first game
anyway, that came out a couple of

872
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.320
months ago ago. It's pretty fast
to turn around like another game. Yeah.

873
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.440
I don't know if they must,
I would assume they've probably split in

874
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:52.599
multiple teams or something. But yeah, I mean, you know, the

875
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.800
full story is obviously those guys were, or at least Job was around making

876
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.679
games on the PlayStation one ye all
the way up through star Hawk, and

877
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:04.440
then they rebranded the studio and and
refocused on iOS stuff god smaller. Yes.

878
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.239
Yes, I messed with plunder Notts
back around E three and actually thought

879
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:12.199
it was really cool. But the
deal breaker was that it required an active

880
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.400
Internet connection to play. Yeah,
and I got it in time for E

881
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.079
three to play on like the plane
and stuff, and then I couldn't and

882
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:22.840
I was like a never mind.
Yeah, Spellfall does not have that requirement.

883
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.760
Uh, but it is rotten with
like the worst free to play cliches

884
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.400
ever. But it's a fun game. Other than that, it's it's it's

885
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:36.760
a match three plus RPG, okay, but a lot heavier emphasis on the

886
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.800
loot. Like you you get you
know, you equip specific items under your

887
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.239
character. You can get rooms to
equip on those items. You know.

888
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.159
It's got a full on, kind
of a full on loot system. And

889
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.679
the match three is a little interesting
because you can move. You can basically

890
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:54.920
swap any two pieces on the entire
board. They don't have to be adjacent.

891
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:59.239
Okay, so the way they balance
it is you only have like this

892
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.920
may change, but at least right
now, I get five moves in a

893
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:06.639
row. So like, you still
have to maximize what you're doing to you

894
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.199
know, get the most out of
your turns because eventually the enemy will get

895
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:12.239
an attack and do a ton of
damage to you. But it's got all

896
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.639
the you know, it's got timers
all over the place. Like you don't

897
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:17.920
heal between battles, so you either
have to spend currency or real money to

898
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:24.880
heal or wait x minutes for your
character to heal stuff like that. It's

899
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:30.800
got like maybe the most egregious offense
that I've ever seen in a game like

900
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:35.519
this. It's got an endgame calendar, and every consecutive day that you play

901
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.199
the game, you get like a
better and better reward, up to the

902
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:40.480
point that like, if you play
at twenty days in a row, you

903
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:45.599
get like a like a legendary or
an epic loot drop on the twentieth day.

904
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.039
Yeah, but like when you first
see that calendar, it's like,

905
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.039
play every day for more rewards.
Make sure notifications are turned on. Yeah,

906
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:53.679
I was like, I like this
game. It's pretty well made.

907
00:51:53.760 --> 00:52:02.119
But speaking of games that I don't
I but keep playing. I've been continuing

908
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:08.840
to play w WV Super Lovely.
I now have an epic Alberto del Rio.

909
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.639
I don't know who that is,
but that sounds no longer with the

910
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:17.840
company that game. They rebalanced some
of the stuff with their weird King of

911
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.400
the Ring mode and it just kind
of continues to be. So here's the

912
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.480
secret, here's my secret tip.
Okay, here you go. This podcast

913
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.960
is going to have real news information
that you can use. Uh, don't

914
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.320
buy cards in w w E Supercard
Okay, don't spend money. I won't

915
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.639
period, because when you do,
you end up getting cards that are better

916
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.079
than the rest of your deck,
which means you start competing against people in

917
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.679
a higher tier before the rest of
your cards have leveled up to a point

918
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.519
where you are competitive. So you
you buy a better card and then all

919
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.840
of a sudden, you're just losing
match after match after match, or you

920
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:59.360
know, like or at least tossing
it up more matches than than you would

921
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:02.239
have been before, so you're getting
fewer cards to feed to your cards to

922
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:07.519
train your cards. So unless all
your cards are leveled up and you're just

923
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.760
not getting a good draw that you
want, just reiterate, don't spend money

924
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.119
on w W supercard again, because
it levels you into a tier that you

925
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.039
you don't want to be in.
I'm all good, yeah, Dan,

926
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.559
don't spend money, Okay, I
won't. All right, great, all

927
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.920
right, well yeah, let's uh, let's cover the sparse amount of news

928
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:30.039
that'scurred since we last talk in the
microphones and packs. Yeah, uh,

929
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.599
I guess at this point the biggest
thing is this kind of pre TGS press

930
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.119
conference that Sony had in Japan.
Yeah, yeah, I watched it.

931
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.320
I know you watched it, Dan, did you catch any of that stuff?

932
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.079
It was kind of it was kind
of late Sunday night for us.

933
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:45.719
No, I did not. I
want to say it started at like ten

934
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.480
or eleven. Yeah, that's pretty
late, but they had a live stream.

935
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:52.000
I didn't watched the whole thing.
I watched I caught. I turned

936
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.039
it on maybe ten minutes and caught
the tail end of the like their Vita

937
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.159
Nightmare. Yes, that was you
know for an audience watching it and like

938
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:04.159
starting off with not only with Vita
games, but with a lot of like

939
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.079
very japan oriented Vita games that was
just like your stuff from like Compile Heart

940
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.480
and right Marvelous and all these companies, and they're like, oh, yep,

941
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.960
yep, stuff that probably will never
even come out over here. Yeah,

942
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.280
it was. It was a little
it was a little disheartening at first,

943
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.480
you know, like maybe, but
like for me, the disheartening part

944
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.800
is then they're like, now let's
talk about PS four, right, and

945
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.360
then it was like Destiny, yep, Assassin's Creed, the Crew, the

946
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.519
Crew far Cry showed a trailer for
the Witch or three Japanese and you're just

947
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:37.960
like, kind of cool, I
don't know, but yeah, uh well

948
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.719
they you know, they then they
kind of moved on to some more They

949
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.880
did the classically Japanese type games.
Yeah, but I guess let's I mean,

950
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.159
I was going to back up the
Vita for second, but actually don't

951
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:51.119
know what else to say because the
only thing that really stands out to me

952
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.360
is Fantasy Star Nova. Yeah,
but I don't even know what that really

953
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.800
is. I mean, they showed
a trailer, but it's probably I mean,

954
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.320
you know, the the portable Fantasy
Star games they made for a while,

955
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:06.039
We're not they were not classic Fantasy
Star games and a single player since

956
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.599
they were more like online but offline, right, but it's not exactly just

957
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:13.559
fantasy Star Online either. No.
Yeah, okay, well, you know,

958
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.840
it remains to be seen if we'll
ever even see that thing over here.

959
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:17.079
Those get those games have been okay, but yeah, I don't know,

960
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.639
but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Once thing, like you said,

961
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.159
once they got to the PS four
section, the list of Western games that

962
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.519
they led with was kind of crazy. I thought it was like, you

963
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:30.519
know, I don't know, like
you don't want to read too much in

964
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.079
anything, but it was sort of
telling that there was like there you go.

965
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:35.840
Well, I mean, you know, the PS four is not done

966
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.480
exceptionally well in Japan. You guys
are getting this stuff too, yep.

967
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.719
This is what video games are now
worldwide. Yeah, I guess so.

968
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.880
Well, there is no there is
a new Mina. No golf, right,

969
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.360
yes, or hot Shots golf,
yes, I should say, I

970
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.239
don't know if you were excited about
that. Everybody's golf. Yes, yeah,

971
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.440
that series has been all right.
I feel like as years go on,

972
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.639
I like it less and less.
Yeah, sort of, but it

973
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.920
does it does seem to have a
special place in a lot of people's hearts.

974
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.800
Yep. I guess that's it's been
around since the PS one. Yeah.

975
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
you know, nice to see that's

976
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.519
coming, But there wasn't a ton
of other new stuff. Battle Born got

977
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.000
a release date. Blood Born,
blood Born, Yeah, battle Borne's the

978
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:21.760
blood Born, battle Born, battle
Cry, battle Cry. I think that's

979
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.199
it for now. Cry Born,
cry Born, blood blood Cry m okay,

980
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.440
cry Tech c Yeah, cry Tech
is working on blood Cry okay.

981
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.920
Yeah. Yeah. Blood Borne is
is coming out February fifth in Japan.

982
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.000
Yeah, which it was nice to
hear because back at eight three they had

983
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.679
some of the wording during their press
conference had made it sound like it wasn't

984
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:45.920
that far off. Yeah, but
they didn't clarify that until now when the

985
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:47.440
games comp stuff was like all these
games are coming out within the next time.

986
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.119
That's when it was games Com.
You're right, yeah, yeah,

987
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.119
yeah, they lumped it in with
that stuff. They didn't they didn't comment

988
00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.440
on a worldwide release, but yeah, I tweeted something about that, and

989
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.719
a lot of people replied to me
that it had been implied that it might

990
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.760
come out everywhere on the same day
or very close. I mean, you

991
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.599
have to imagine that we'll be out
within that quarter here. I think I

992
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.880
would say, like by the end
of March is a safe bet for that

993
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.800
game, if not before. That's
exciting. Pretty stoked about that. Uh

994
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.320
what else did they have? There's
five coming to PlayStation before. I save

995
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.639
that one, right, because that's
kind of the only other thing that really

996
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.480
excites. But yeah, I mean
that's you know, even it doesn't really

997
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:31.119
look any different. It's kind of
nice, just like, hey, you

998
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:34.719
don't have to yeah, yeah,
to drag out your p S three if

999
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.719
you already packed it away or sold
it. Yeah, that's yes. To

1000
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.440
play PERSONA five. They showed a
trailer and actually did see it. I

1001
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:49.639
didn't see the trailer. Yeah,
what else did they have there? Say,

1002
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:52.920
there's a new Yaka's a prequel coming
out? Yeah, which Yaka is

1003
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.400
a zero zero's the name of it. Who knows if that'll ever come out

1004
00:57:55.480 --> 00:58:01.800
here? I hear? How about
this? No, have they all come

1005
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.079
out at this point? Or have
they? Have we already started missing some,

1006
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.599
We've missed some. Yeah, it's
like comb one came out here.

1007
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:08.360
Yeah, that one came out here, and I forget they did something.

1008
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.119
But four didn't come out here.
It would never out, not at all.

1009
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.920
Okay. Yeah, it's been such
a weird decline for that series after

1010
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.239
they put so much muscle behind the
first one. Yeah, not only localize

1011
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.599
it, but cut all that Hollywood
talented to the voices, and it didn't

1012
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.000
sell for shit. Yeah. No, it's just been this decline of like,

1013
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:30.079
well, they're not coming out anymore. Let's see. I guess Dragon

1014
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.920
Quest Heroes is a big deal,
right, I did not see that part.

1015
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.079
It's a new Dragon Slime PS four
or PS four Yeah, I don't

1016
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.559
know if that's related or not.
Yeah, is it? I mean that's

1017
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.800
probably slime his dragon Quest. So
Dragon Quest Heroes is being developed by Omegaforce.

1018
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:51.559
Fuck the Dynasty Warriors team, damn
it. Yeah, so I don't

1019
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:52.639
know what's up with it. They
were not That was not even the only

1020
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.599
game made by them. There were
other Omega Force games announced at this press

1021
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.320
conference. I forget which one's well
terrific, it seems like they are.

1022
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.039
I think it wasn't like the Tech
and Team making some sort of fucking I

1023
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.480
remember, yes, dating scene,
I remember, yes, yes, I

1024
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.000
remember the Tech and Team being referenced. Yeah, there was like there when

1025
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.840
they got when they started talking about
Project Morphias. I think they had Harada

1026
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.840
there and then they so just like
anime girl, Yes that's right to pick

1027
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.920
up something. Yes, you're absolutely
right. I think I think, yes,

1028
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.440
I think I think I consciously tuned
to that part out. Ye.

1029
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.800
So yeah, I don't. I
don't know a whole lot about Dragon Quest

1030
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.400
Heroes. But you know they're not
numbering them anymore. It's not Dragon Quest

1031
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.800
ten or whatever. Well it's not. I mean, if a Mega Force

1032
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.000
is making I guess this is not
this. Is this just the High Rule?

1033
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:39.239
Is this the High Rule? Warriors
of Dragon Quests? I mean that

1034
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.840
you drink with heroes to me,
implies that is not a mainline drag quest

1035
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:49.280
game. It's a kind of weird
side thing made by people that well whatever.

1036
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.440
Yeah, first first time, first
time Dragon Quests has been on a

1037
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.800
console since like what eight though,
I think I guess it's two games.

1038
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:00.199
I don't know. That's a weird
series. I don't even know. I

1039
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:01.119
don't know if it's even as big
in Japan as it used to be,

1040
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.519
like you know, like back in
the day, right that was it was

1041
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.800
like the biggest thing ever made.
Have to put these games out on a

1042
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:09.599
weekends. People don't miss school or
work to buy the game, right yeah.

1043
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.480
And I don't know if it has
this. I think it was still

1044
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.480
pretty fucking big. I think people
got into that last one. Okay,

1045
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:22.519
like quite a bit that was on
that was on we was it, I

1046
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.039
was DS, it was both and
you could transfer back and forth on so

1047
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:34.079
I thought. So anyway, Yeah, and then my personal favorite piece of

1048
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.280
news to come out of this whole
thing, themes are coming to both of

1049
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.239
the Vita NPS four. No.
Yeah, themes, guys, dynamic theme

1050
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:46.480
themes, I believe, Yeah,
the I think I don't know if you

1051
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:50.159
did you see this, Jeff.
I thought I saw them scrolling through some

1052
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.360
Vita looking themes that was just it
looked like, here's an anime character that

1053
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.639
takes at half the screen, so
you can't put your apps here. I

1054
01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.880
was like, that's a good move. I thought I saw some footage of

1055
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.280
a PS four theme that had some
animated dynamic elements in the background. Wow,

1056
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:06.119
would hope so I would. I
never used themes on PS three because

1057
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:07.159
they all look like She didn't really
either, because yeah, they were all

1058
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.480
too busy. Here's a different font
for the front end to make it look

1059
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:14.440
like terrible. Yeah, most of
them were awful. You're right, Yeah,

1060
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:15.320
yeah, but I you know,
I would just like it if I

1061
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.239
could like change the color of the
background and stuff like that. So hopefully

1062
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.840
that'll be in there. But yeah, there's there, your pre TGS Sony

1063
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.840
update. I don't know if they'll
have anything else to announce. They already

1064
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.079
said the last Guardian will not be
there, so yeah, maybe this is

1065
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.679
it for them. I don't know. Yeah, I think they got the

1066
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:37.519
impression that this was kind of their
TGS press conference. Yeah, just happening

1067
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:43.679
early for a variety of reasons.
Yes, yeah, we've we've covered pretty

1068
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:45.440
much all the other big news for
the most part that came out of packs,

1069
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.239
you know, Saints for a game
getting announced and you actually, you

1070
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.199
guys wouldn't saw that, didn't you? I did not. I played it?

1071
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:52.599
Did you you check it out?
Yeah, we talked about a little

1072
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.280
bit. It's it's it's okay.
I like the fact that it's a new

1073
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:58.719
map and it's not just red scale
port. Oh, that's right. You.

1074
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:00.880
By the by the time the panel
happened, you had already played Okay,

1075
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.800
that's right. Yeah, I'll play
it. Yeah, yeah, I

1076
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:07.920
will too. You know, I
just don't think it's anywhere near the best

1077
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:15.599
use of that property at this point
though. Mm. That was sounded like

1078
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.400
some skepticism. Yeah, I mean
I think the best use of the property

1079
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.920
is to not use it for a
while. Probably, Yeah, you're probably

1080
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.239
right. Yeah. I don't know
what you do with it at this point,

1081
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.800
sure, other than like reboot it. But then you do you make

1082
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:34.760
it a serious crime thing again,
because like they they've kind of painted themselves

1083
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.599
into the corner where they have to
keep They've gotten so outlandish with it that

1084
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:39.400
they just have to keep topping themselves
every single time. I mean, the

1085
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:44.000
end of Saints four sets up you
know enough like time travel, weird rebooty

1086
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:45.679
type stuff that you know, it
lets them get away with a lot of

1087
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:50.079
shit, I guess, but you
know, just like at at that level

1088
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.519
of high jinks and it's not enough. It's not he's changed, it's it's

1089
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:57.159
not sustainable over the long term.
You know, Like at a certain point,

1090
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.519
I would like it if it went
back to a little bit more like

1091
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:00.440
I don't want the game to be
serious, but you know, if it

1092
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.119
was a little more grounded, a
little like a little more rooted in the

1093
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.320
kind of just the sort of small
time street gang stuff. You know.

1094
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.840
Yeah, because four with the Superpowers, I mean I never drove in that

1095
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:14.440
game ever, right because you know, so you're not getting any of the

1096
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.119
car stuff or drive buys or anything
like that, or real street races because

1097
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.880
you're sprinting up buildings and stuff you
don't need to drive. So yeah,

1098
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.039
maybe toning it back a little bit. I just wonder if that would then

1099
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:28.760
you'd feel super restricted if you went
back to driving in that series, you'd

1100
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.119
just be like, man, it's
to fucking take them forever, especially with

1101
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.000
the gat out of Hell. I
mean, you are literally flying. You

1102
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:35.960
have like demon wings and get can
just fly around the map. Yeah.

1103
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.360
I don't know, Like I came
out of Saintra four thinking that Johnny Gatt

1104
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:43.840
was a superfluous character that they they
don't need, so like the idea of

1105
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.639
building a game around that character seems
like a bad idea to Yeah, kind

1106
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.199
of, but you know, hey, it's cheap and b it's uh,

1107
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:52.880
you know, being made by high
voltage. At least that means that Volition

1108
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:57.239
is working on something else. Aren't
there the conduit guys? Uh huh,

1109
01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:00.119
I believe so okay, Yeah,
but I mean you know that the the

1110
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:02.800
quality of this thing notwithstanding yeah,
which is not say I expected to be

1111
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.800
bad. It looked fine, but
at least you know that the volition is

1112
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:10.239
busy on something else and not yeah, putting all their effort into this.

1113
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:19.320
Anyway, A pretty significant update to
Quake Live snuck out last week. I

1114
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:23.039
don't know if you guys saw this. I heard it was coming and they

1115
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:25.559
have the details back at Quake Con. And that was the first time I

1116
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:28.639
thought about Quick Live basically since it
came out same here. I had not,

1117
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.159
like you know, for the past
couple of years, anytime I wanted

1118
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.239
to play Quick three. I just
played real Quick three. Yep, to

1119
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.280
the point that we did a t
and t with actual week three. We

1120
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:43.760
should do another one. But but
yeah, they changed stuff in this.

1121
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.840
The biggest thing is that they added
a new weapon. Yeah, like it

1122
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:49.559
seems so crazy too. I mean, granted it's called Quake Live and not

1123
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:53.360
Quick three, but you know,
yeah, more or less is Quake three.

1124
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.039
So the idea of adding a new
weapon to a fifteen year old death

1125
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.719
match game, it's kind of wild. It's a it's a the machine guns

1126
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:05.800
what they're calling it. Quake four
had multiplayer that was basically styled after Quake

1127
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:09.920
three, and I'm trying to remember
if they added that weapon there and if

1128
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:12.639
this is just the weapon from Quake
four. Yeah, coming in, but

1129
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.199
it honestly, Quake four is kind
of a blur, so I couldn't tell

1130
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:19.000
you one way or the other.
But well, we've we've got access to

1131
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:24.320
the kind of premium subscription for Quick
Yeah. Yeah, then so we should

1132
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.239
jump in there. Yeah. Yeah, see what those stuff is about they

1133
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.480
had, I mean, they made
a lot of like kind of what sound

1134
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:32.840
like small mechanical changes, like they
made street jumping kind of automatic in a

1135
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.920
way. Yeah, well, like
they took the speed boost if you hold

1136
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:43.039
down the jump button from Nexius,
right, yes, and I guess Zenatic

1137
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.599
also has it, so it basically, yeah, you were just holding buttons

1138
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:46.880
to do that stuff. There's not
really much skill involved, and it's sort

1139
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:48.880
of a weird thing where yeah,
you just if you hold down jump and

1140
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:54.000
push in a direction. And Nexius
and I think Zenotics still does the exact

1141
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:56.760
same thing. They might have changed
it a little bit there, weird open

1142
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.480
source shooters stuff. You just start
going fucking super fast hopping down hallways like

1143
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:05.280
automatically. Sounds fun. It's kind
of fun. Yeah, it definitely,

1144
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:08.440
like you know, it helps you
get around a map more quickly, you

1145
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:10.719
know, just if you're just like, well this hallways longer and there's no

1146
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:15.360
action here, like I might as
well get over there. Sure, yeah,

1147
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.639
it's not bad, but it's just
a weird thing to be in Quake,

1148
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.599
I guess, yeah, kind of. Yeah. You know, there's

1149
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:24.679
a lot of other little minor stuff. They added visible timers to items,

1150
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:30.320
okay, so you know when they're
coming back. They made it they made

1151
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:32.199
it so that you can't jump over
items anymore accidentally, Like they're kind of

1152
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.280
the pick up box around the items
is big enough that when you jump over

1153
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:38.920
and you still get them. Just
a bunch of little stuff like that.

1154
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.400
But like, I mean almost almost
to me, the biggest story here is

1155
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.960
that in twenty fourteen, people are
still talking about Quick Live. You know,

1156
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:46.480
they did something that well, the
people that make it are, I

1157
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.039
guess we are, but I don't
know if anyone else it's I mean,

1158
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:54.039
I think it's it's kind of uh, it's been pretty tenacious in its own

1159
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:57.239
competitive scene. Like I think people
still play it. The people who really

1160
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:01.199
play it competitively are still playing it. Sure, but I love the shit

1161
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.880
out of Quake three, So I
will get in here and see what it's

1162
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:09.800
about at some point. I don't
have a whole lot else except that we

1163
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:14.760
narrowly missed a leak last week.
But I'm sure Dan will give a shit

1164
01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:19.800
about what's that Mario Kart eight DLC
link link is going to be in Mario

1165
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:23.719
Kart eight animal crossing stuff, I
guess, And I that was news to

1166
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.480
me until today. I hadn't even
I had stopped paying attention to this story

1167
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.079
as soon as it happened. But
yes, I guess animal crossing characters will

1168
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.039
also be in there. I think
that's yeah, opening the door to just

1169
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:36.079
turning into like the Smash Brothers roster
type thing for Kart. That's that's probably

1170
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.920
absolutely what needs to happen with that
series, right, I mean, I

1171
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.840
don't think anything needs to happen.
I think they're doing just fine with everything

1172
01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.639
they've been doing. Eight eight is
incredible. It's getting a little stale.

1173
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:48.320
How much have you played eight?
I don't. I don't need to.

1174
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:53.079
I can look at it. You
haven't played it. I've played enough.

1175
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.960
How much my race is a few
races? It is a damn good game.

1176
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:00.039
I was good. I was I
was well satisfied with my time with

1177
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.400
Mario Karty. But I mean I'm
talking about like the lineup. It's like

1178
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.320
I don't know that it takes more
than a few times around the track to

1179
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:06.840
go, Like, I don't think
I want to do any more of this.

1180
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.320
Like, you're probably right that it's
a great game for people that want

1181
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:14.000
more of that bullshit, I'm not. I'm still it's still a cart racer,

1182
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.520
yeah, totally. Like ass,
I have been playing games for the

1183
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:25.600
duration of the cart racer genre.
I'm done. Still one of the best

1184
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:30.039
genres. Got friends over? Yeah? Yeah, who has time to have

1185
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.920
friends over? It's twenty fourteen.
We have the fucking Internet, for Christ's

1186
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.920
sake. Plus I've still got my
copy of Jack X, so I'm good.

1187
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:40.520
Oh yeah. Combat racing, I
mean that's a totally different thing.

1188
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.680
Ever, when that started in it
like the opening montage was like set to

1189
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.800
a Queen's of the Stone Age song. Really. Yeah, I've never actually

1190
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.760
played Jack X before. Yeah,
this is a hardcore for a car racer.

1191
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:54.600
Uh. Let's see, they've got
pricing for these packs. It's it's

1192
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:59.239
two separate DLC packs, one and
then like a season past or something gets

1193
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:03.439
you both, right, Okay,
so one pack in November, the second

1194
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.279
in May of next year, which
is like a full on year after the

1195
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:11.039
game came out, right, eight
bucks of each or both for twelve yeah,

1196
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.840
which seems like a no brainer.
Okay. Uh six new characters,

1197
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:18.119
eight new cars, sixteen six wait
really, sixteen new courses. Whoa,

1198
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:24.399
that's a lot of a lot of
tracks courses than the original. Yeah,

1199
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:28.079
yeah, I mean that seems like
a solid fucking ad on at that end.

1200
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:30.920
Characters and carts, I mean,
you tell me, But that doesn't

1201
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:32.680
seem like that big of a deal
because really, I mean, how many

1202
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:35.439
you know, how many types of
characters they really have? It's like big

1203
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:39.600
guy and as long as they have
a size guy. What if I told

1204
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:44.479
you that one of the new carts
is blue Falcons car from F zero,

1205
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.439
then that just bums me out,
Like what, you know, I think

1206
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:50.359
one of the tracks is also Yeah, yeah, but I think you're right,

1207
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.119
which is like, just they should
make a new zero. Yeah,

1208
01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.880
they should. It's been long enough. I mean, granted, it's the

1209
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:02.279
changes, but the differences between the
two are somewhat superficial at this point,

1210
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.159
I guess. But I'd play a
the ufzero though. I'll go dig out

1211
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:09.680
my copy of Dukie listen, sure, and listen to it while playing F

1212
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:14.920
zero, just like I did.
Oh wow twenty years ago. Let's see.

1213
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.760
Yeah, so pac one coming in
November is uh link Tanuki, Mario

1214
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:25.920
and Cat Peach Okay, oh,
guys aren't really new characters. I mean

1215
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:30.000
link link link is, but I
mean, like Tanuki and Cats even even

1216
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.680
roping in like suits from other Mario
games is new, you know. Yeah,

1217
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.239
yeah, it doesn't give them suit
powers in the fucking game. Then

1218
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:43.199
who cares? I mean, the
cart can get a raccoon tail like just

1219
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.800
in the game or whatever, like
swat stuff. Yeah, I just like

1220
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.399
the idea of a go kart growing
a tail. Can you can you swat

1221
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:51.920
a red shell as it's about hit
you? Absolutely, that's all right,

1222
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:57.319
that's kind of cool. Yeah.
And then pack two in May is is

1223
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:02.319
the animal crossing villager Isabelle. She
also she is like your secretary poodle.

1224
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:09.199
Okay, yeah, And dry Bowser
damn it is that like bony Bones Bowser

1225
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:13.079
Jaffery falls in lava but it's not
over oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1226
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:15.600
there's a picture of him. It
is. It is dry Bones Bowser.

1227
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.680
Yeah. I thought need Bowser head
to go and dry out for should have

1228
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:24.920
done dry Cat Bowser. Just start
combining these things in really twisted ways.

1229
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.239
Uh oh, hey, if you
purchase both DLC packs, you can get

1230
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:36.479
eight different colored Yoshi's. Awesome.
Actually, guys, I want that,

1231
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:40.720
Yeah, if you want. If
you like Mario Kart eight, it would

1232
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:45.479
be insane not to buy this for
twelve dollars. And yeah, I thought

1233
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.199
it was cool in Yoh's Island how
you change color Yoshi's every time? And

1234
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:53.239
every level. So yeah, I'll
utilize that well. Have fun. Yeah,

1235
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.039
knock yourself out, you know,
I will. I'll have a great

1236
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.800
thing. I have a great time
with I mean, that's really alrd Yoshi's

1237
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.119
that's the only response to our haranguing
is to just be defiant about it.

1238
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:04.359
It's like, fuck you, I
will have fun with it. Yeah,

1239
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.920
like you joyless douche. I'll have
a big smile on my face while I

1240
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.840
play with that purple Yoshi or whatever. It's a couple of frotchety old curmudgeons

1241
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:15.520
over here. I bet you won't. I bet you won't have a big

1242
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.079
smile on your face. I probably
will. You'll be like, this is

1243
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:19.680
the Saint Yoshi, but it is
purple. But I'll be glad that I

1244
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:23.239
have the option. Sure did you
would you play any that game online?

1245
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.479
Oh? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, I reviewed it, so I probably

1246
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.960
put like thirty forty hours into that
game. Was it was it? Did

1247
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:30.800
you find it to be an active
online scene? Yeah for sure? Yeah.

1248
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.319
Ship, I just realized I gotta
unlock all those krts again. Now,

1249
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.199
okay, I just got my new
EU in the mails. Yeah,

1250
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:39.560
yeah, we get to work all
right. Well, it's a reason to

1251
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.479
play more Mario Kart. I'm okay
with that. Yeah. Uh, And

1252
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.880
that's kind of all the news from
the last like thirty six hours or forty

1253
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.880
eight hours unless anything else and stuff
was a while ago. Well that,

1254
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.800
yeah, we missed that right after
the podcast last week, but but then

1255
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:58.039
we left town. Here's a news
update. Yea, my eyes are burning

1256
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.199
in a way that their mouth starting
to make me wonder if I'm getting sick.

1257
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:02.560
Oh, that's fun. Do you
have contacts? No? Did you

1258
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.319
wear an oculus? No? Did
you wear any I gear accessory types of

1259
01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:11.399
thing? No? Gunner optics nope? No No. Did you happen to

1260
01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:15.119
mace yourself before you left the house? Might? Okay, it's always possible.

1261
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:16.720
You should be careful with that.
Did you get any glass in your

1262
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.840
eyes from the rumble? Uh?
One bit came close, okay, but

1263
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:24.600
did not actually get in my eyes. Did I see a picture of Drew

1264
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.800
vacuuming that stage? Ye? Where
did the vacuum come from? One?

1265
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.920
Like they was just hanging. One
materialized and we were all kind of cleaning

1266
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.520
up a little bit afterwards. Yeah, we should get some of that sugar

1267
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:38.640
glass. It's expensive, is it? Uh, it looks fun to get

1268
01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:41.520
it shipped and stuff, you know, but yeah, it is super fun.

1269
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:44.520
That was the first time I'd ever
hit anyone with a bottle when I

1270
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.000
clocked some of the common yea in
the head with it. You know,

1271
01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:50.399
it's real fun super kicking people.
Yeah, No, that looked fun too.

1272
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.479
I have wanted to do that my
entire life. And I got to

1273
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.000
super kick someone right in the face. That was I was, you know,

1274
01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:00.520
your feet from that when it happened, and it was highly convincing.

1275
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.319
That's what it was like, did
he actually make contact? Like, is

1276
01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:04.840
Alex's gonna have like a neck problem
here? Alex sold it really well,

1277
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:08.039
and everyone that was talking on me
afterwards was like, yeah, it looks

1278
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.000
like he kicked him right in the
face. Yes, the footage looks really

1279
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.199
good, like like, don't try
that at home, Yes, don't.

1280
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:16.000
That was man. You must have
had like an inch of clearance from his

1281
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.800
chin or something. Although he I, there's not a lot of power coming

1282
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.319
up there too, So I mean
it did hit. I think it makes

1283
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:25.800
contact. It does make he said. I didn't notice this at the time,

1284
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:29.319
but he was telling me later that
his hand was between your foot and

1285
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:31.359
his chin, Yeah, which is
like the standard practice for that move apparently.

1286
01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:32.920
Yeah, you want to get your
hand up there, like if you're

1287
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.600
taking a tear shout to the head
right. Well, sometimes like you just

1288
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.199
take it right on the chain.
But it occurred to me that even being

1289
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.439
right next to it happening live,
I didn't notice that. It's one of

1290
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:44.880
the things that all happened so fast, and if you're not looking right at

1291
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:46.359
it, it kind of it kind
of drove home this point that like a

1292
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:50.560
lot of the wrestling type moves are
basically just like magician style slide hand and

1293
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:54.680
misdirection. Right. It's like stage
combat is all about that it happens so

1294
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:57.399
fast that nobody's gonna notice the little
thing you do to make sure you don't

1295
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:00.279
get hurt. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it's kind of cool. It's

1296
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.279
super fun. It sounded pretty good
too. I don't know if that'll carry

1297
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:08.439
on the on the archive, the
kick for standing right there, like,

1298
01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:12.119
yeah, I didn't I don't remember
if I consciously a little bit. There

1299
01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:14.359
was a little bit of a slap. I don't know if it was the

1300
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:16.640
contact or I think Alex might have
done it. Oh okay, all right,

1301
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.199
but yeah, it sounded sound it? All right? I want to

1302
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.600
watch gifts of that for a while. I don't even know what a PAX

1303
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:26.880
panel is anymore. Yeah, I
don't know. That's super kicks and finding

1304
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:30.880
the very nature of a panel.
We're really kind of just like, we're

1305
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:35.399
we're backing ourselves into a really dangerous
corner, the vanguard of of live video

1306
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:40.079
game convention entertainment. It's just it's
really fucking stupid. Oh yeah, We're

1307
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:43.479
we're gonna point where someone's gonna get
really fucking hurt and it's gonna be a

1308
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:46.039
real bummer. Yeah, and then
we'll just have to sit behind a table

1309
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.960
and talk from then on and that'll
be it. All right, that's all

1310
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:55.560
the news. Let's talk about the
emails. Let's talk about those emails.

1311
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:59.439
Let's talk about BombCast at giant bomb
dot com. Alright, let's an email

1312
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:01.600
address. That's the email address you
could send your emails too, Okay,

1313
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:05.439
if you would like them to be
read on the air. Told you I

1314
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:13.399
would get it. Yeah, eventually, finally, and we're going to start

1315
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:18.439
off with an importance TGS question from
orin Okay, dear bomb Cast. For

1316
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.960
the past few months, I've been
working in an office building next door to

1317
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:24.960
Maco Harry Messay, the home of
the Tokyo Game Show. Every day on

1318
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.880
my way from the train station to
the office, I pass by what I

1319
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.800
assume is the outback steakhouse You've referenced
several times. I'm talking about your trips

1320
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:34.119
to the show. I like steaks. Is it worth my time to go

1321
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:38.479
there for a meal. The restaurant
isn't open for lunch and costs more than

1322
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:42.479
I usually pay for food when it's
not a special event. My memory of

1323
01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:46.640
that's of that outback top to bottom
was how accurately it reproduced an outback.

1324
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.159
Yeah, the steak was fine,
although to be fair, I think that

1325
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.920
was the last outback I've ever been
to. I haven't gone to another one

1326
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:56.520
since then I have. I can
tell you that it's nothing wrong with a

1327
01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:58.960
steak from the Outback Steak. It's
a steak. It's a steak. Yeah,

1328
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.119
they make a steak. If you
they can probably competently cook steak to

1329
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.680
your taste. If you want a
steak done the way that you know,

1330
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:09.960
kind of a middle low to middle
grade steakhouse would prepare it, that's it.

1331
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.479
There you go if you want,
if you want some Alice Springs Chicken.

1332
01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.640
Sure, I don't know Couga Borough
Wings. I don't know what you

1333
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:21.199
dare to brave. Damned it could
all be damned the wall be darned.

1334
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:26.239
You've you've what's the difference, You've
already outstripped my knowledge of outback? One

1335
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:28.800
has more booze in it. Oh
it's a drink, yeah, the cocktail

1336
01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.000
or something. Yeah. Okay,
yeah, you know if you if you

1337
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:32.680
like aut back and want to experience
an outback, then feel free. But

1338
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.359
it's not. Yeah, I remember
that place being a little pricey. Also,

1339
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:40.560
sure, just by virtue of it
being kind of a novelty thing over

1340
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:43.319
there, I'm sure. But you're
not gonna see anything there that you haven't

1341
01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.800
seen it. Yeah. I don't
know what the local, like reasonably priced

1342
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.880
steak options are in the area,
So I don't have a comparison point for

1343
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:54.960
for you. But there's also that
Isn't there any tony romas over there?

1344
01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:58.119
It's a place for ribs. Yes, I ate there once and hated it.

1345
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:00.640
Ribbs are not steak. No,
their ribs. I love them both,

1346
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:04.079
but they have they each have their
own place. Not a Ribs fan.

1347
01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:08.319
My second question is about TGS itself. It's coming up in a couple

1348
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.359
of weeks and I'll be going for
the first time. Should I go to

1349
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:14.199
both public days or is one enough? Since I live very close to the

1350
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:15.439
conference hall. The obvious answer it
would be go to the first day and

1351
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.279
then come back on the second if
I feel I haven't seen everything. Yeah,

1352
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.159
But the problem is I'm already committed
to going the second day with a

1353
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:25.880
group of friends visiting from outside Japan. Please advise. I mean, you're

1354
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:29.199
certainly not going to see everything if
you're going one day. That is a

1355
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.079
insanely packed convention. On the public
days, yeah, and yeah, lines

1356
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.920
and everything that expect from conventions.
So if you can put up with the

1357
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:38.640
crowds and everything and you don't mind
waiting in a bunch of lines, yeah,

1358
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:41.479
If you're going there because you want
to play Monster Hunter, that's going

1359
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:45.359
to take an entire day for you
to do. Yeah. So that's said,

1360
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:47.000
I recommend not waiting in the line
for an entire day to play Monster

1361
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:51.279
Hunter. Right, That's also the
advice I would get. But you know,

1362
01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:54.199
if you've got friends coming in from
out of the country, you know,

1363
01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:56.960
hang out with your friends. Go
fuck it, man, I would

1364
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.680
totally go both days, but walking
around the situation, a situation where you

1365
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:01.720
do stuff on the first day and
then they're gonna want to do it you

1366
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:04.800
have to do it again, and
you go, fuck. Yeah, I

1367
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:06.880
would go for the first day,
and since you live close by, just

1368
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:11.920
if you get the sense that like
like scope it out at least, you

1369
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.199
know, go walk around and just
look at everything that you might want to

1370
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:16.359
do and judge the lines to know, like what you know, if that's

1371
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:19.640
reasonable or not, uh, you
know. Or go on Saturday and buy

1372
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:24.359
all the stuff you want to buy
from the goods of stores because the lines

1373
01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:27.199
for those will be pretty long,
and then go back Sunday with your friends.

1374
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.600
Yeah, TGS is an interesting show. I haven't we haven't been since

1375
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:32.960
oh eight, so it's kind of
well, it just seems like, I

1376
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:38.079
don't know, the footage I see
coming back from that show in recent years

1377
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.000
seems like it is far less interesting
than Yeah. Maybe maybe that's the case

1378
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.720
twenty ten and it was underwhelming for
sure, especially the first one, especially

1379
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.000
if they're pushing such such forthcoming hits
as Assassins, Creed, Unity and the

1380
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:50.960
Crew. Yeah, well, I
mean, if he lives over there then

1381
01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:55.720
you might want to see I mean
that's you know, that's crazy to us

1382
01:19:55.840 --> 01:20:00.840
because they're just like the super western
games. But uh, the we've played.

1383
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:06.079
But I mean they also seem like
they might actually be good, so

1384
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:12.840
there's nothing wrong with that. So
yeah, good both face. That's our

1385
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.119
Yeah, all right, well we
got through. Requ was a video game

1386
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:19.560
email out of the way. Great, Now we're gonna get down to business

1387
01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:27.439
for real. We talked about Second
Life, remember that we did. Yeah,

1388
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.960
yeah, we got some Second Life
emails? Did you know? I

1389
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:38.079
discovered this yesterday when I was using
ad Surah. Linden Labs is responsible for

1390
01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:42.039
Oh, I think they bought it. They bought it. There's a Linden

1391
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.319
copyright on it. I think I
think it was not that long ago.

1392
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:46.199
And it really freaked me out.
It really scared me for a minute there

1393
01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:47.960
that I was like, oh,
no, what have I done? What

1394
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.079
are you getting into? Do I
have Asura account? I shouldn't use this

1395
01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:56.680
service because I might end up like
one of them. Here is an email.

1396
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:59.720
It's pretty long email from Tyler and
Austin. I'm just gonna read the

1397
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:02.279
first part because that's the interesting part. Second Life is a hive of scum

1398
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:06.439
and villainy, and I love it. My girlfriend and I have played Second

1399
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:11.600
Life for years and use it as
a bedroom tool. Second Life hovers around.

1400
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:16.560
You're gonna notice a theme with some
of these emails. Second Life hovers

1401
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.960
around two million users, and probably
half of them are kinksters, doms,

1402
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:27.720
subs, gorians, gorians, bondage
enthusiasts, furries, etc. It's a

1403
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:30.399
safe, drug and disease free playground
for us, although it would be the

1404
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:32.680
first to admit the average old timer
hates when you boil it down to sex

1405
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:38.279
the same way as any lifestyle enthusiasts
would. Second Life is freaking expensive.

1406
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:41.319
We barely get on a half dozen
times a month and spend about sixty bucks

1407
01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:45.279
a month on it. To rent
a full sim is well over two hundred

1408
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.079
dollars a month. I do know
people who make a good portion of their

1409
01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:51.039
livelihood playing, including a graphic designer
who pulls in over a grand making avatar

1410
01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:56.840
mods, clothing, and adult toys
for furries. Yeah and wait, virtual

1411
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.680
adult toys for furries. That's one
of that. You can to make custom

1412
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.319
animations for your characters at that point, so you can make the gear and

1413
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:08.039
also how they use it. So
these things are just straight up fucking second

1414
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:12.239
life kind of really, he says. The avatar makers sell them for about

1415
01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:15.880
five bucks pop. Yeah, uh, which likely. Remember that Law and

1416
01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.479
Order episode I mentioned last week,
like the whole, the whole. The

1417
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.760
crux of that whole episode was that
people were using it to live out like

1418
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:27.119
all their kind of most sordid fantasies. And I guess that's closer to reality

1419
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:31.520
than I thought. Sure, hang
on, fantasies are supposed to be like,

1420
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:33.720
oh, you can fly in this
game. I can't do that in

1421
01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:42.560
real life. The ultimate power fantasy
here is uh. Here is another second

1422
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.319
life email from creeped out on Long
Island. Okay, my ex's parents are

1423
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:51.039
second life users. They are also
swingers, all right. Their second life

1424
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:55.000
avatars are as follows. For the
father, a slave and a gift mask,

1425
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.720
and for the mother a busty lady
dominatrix. I know this because I

1426
01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:00.720
would frequently walk past them with their
laptops open when we'd go over there for

1427
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:05.359
dinner, and they would be unabashedly
getting there into weird, sexy high jinks.

1428
01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:09.239
In second life. They were incredibly
nice people, and I was way

1429
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.760
or less creeped out by their free
willing sex party lifestyle than I was by

1430
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.880
their use of second life. Hang
on, are we talking about parents living

1431
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.520
in the same house that are having
sex in a game while they're sitting next

1432
01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:25.119
to each other? Well, I
mean it's more of a bondage thing,

1433
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:28.000
like, yeah, well they're doing
it, but they are in the same

1434
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:30.640
physical space. Why don't in their
marriage? Why don't they just do whatever

1435
01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:33.159
they want to do with their persons? First of all, like trying to

1436
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:36.680
you know, they might be doing
that too. Trying to reason about other

1437
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:42.439
people's like billing a dungeon is expensive, you know, trying trying to reason

1438
01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.880
about other people's predilections for kink is
kind of pointless because they belong to them,

1439
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:47.359
you know. It's but I know, but but it isn't they like

1440
01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:49.640
what they like what they like,
you know. But if you have a

1441
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:53.600
real person right there and they're also
into the same thing, why would you

1442
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:55.800
do it in a game? Like? But also but also if they're if

1443
01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:59.039
they are literal swingers in real life, that means they are out there looking

1444
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:01.680
for people to swap with. Yeah, okay, which I could see a

1445
01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:05.000
second life coming in pretty handy for
Yeah, they might be out there on

1446
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:10.399
the hunt key parties. Yep,
virtual key parties, drop them in the

1447
01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.960
bowl. Also in college, we
had to find a musician in Second Life

1448
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:15.239
and write an A and R report
on them. I went to school for

1449
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:20.079
music business. Apparently lots of people
make avatars and perform concerts on the platform.

1450
01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:24.159
It was fucking depressing. Yeah,
that was in the documentary that I

1451
01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:30.560
saw was a guy that was was
singing songs like he was piping like a

1452
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:32.640
live audio, live audio through.
He was standing there with a guitar and

1453
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:38.520
the actually saying live audience saying,
that's actually kind of cool into the world.

1454
01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:43.119
I don't think that's weird, especially, I mean I don't know.

1455
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:45.800
Sure, Yeah, I mean you
can point of fucking cameraters. Well,

1456
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:49.520
I know, if you're already if
you're already there, you know, no

1457
01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:53.399
Second Life not there, totally different, right, right, Yes, we

1458
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:57.479
covered that. Yeah, here's maybe
the weirdest email that I've ever gotten.

1459
01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:00.600
All Right, it doesn't even have
a name on it, and it's from

1460
01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:02.960
an Aol dot com address. All
right, subject line, please discuss case.

1461
01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:08.000
Here's the entire body of the email. No name signed to it,

1462
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:11.800
no nothing, imagine punching somebody so
hard that they turned into a door.

1463
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.079
I'll let you roll that one around
in your head for a second. Yep,

1464
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.399
got it. Yeah, then you
found out that's where all doors come

1465
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:21.239
from, and you and you got
initiated into a murder club that makes doors.

1466
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:25.600
The stronger you punch, the better
the door. So they are like

1467
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:30.600
super strong murderers who punch people into
Venetian doors and shit in email. Yeah,

1468
01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:33.520
there's lucrative business to me. I
mean, do you have to back

1469
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:38.000
someone up to a wall and then
punch them so it's a functional door that

1470
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:41.840
goes through a wall, or just
a bunch of doors like the APA right

1471
01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:45.600
door. Yeah, they're just like
whatever. I believe. I'd believe that

1472
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.720
Faruke punched someone to make that door. I can see it. Yeah,

1473
01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:55.000
Mokujin from tech Okay, Yeah,
I don't really know what else to say

1474
01:25:55.000 --> 01:26:00.880
about that email. I found it
fascinating. Yeah, I mean that sounds

1475
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:02.760
like a good way to earn a
living and to this dispose of you know,

1476
01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:08.079
people would need to be disposed.
Yeah, that would That's pretty much

1477
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:12.600
solves itself. Doors can't talk,
man, What if they could? Would

1478
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:14.880
they flap open and closed? Like
their mouths were moving. Yeah, they

1479
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:16.239
would need like a mail slot.
Okay, yeah, yeah, come down

1480
01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:19.720
with that, and the people would
blink like two little windows up above it

1481
01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:24.840
that look like I was yeah,
okay, all right. Here is a

1482
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:31.399
an email from Dave about the Dreamcast
and Seaman conversation last week regarding oh you

1483
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:35.079
know what, I'm sorry he starts
this emails, Oh all right, okay.

1484
01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:40.479
The conversation last week regarding the sake
of Dreamcast sparked a memory. Brad

1485
01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:43.279
referenced the game Seaman, one of
the more unique games for the Dreamcast.

1486
01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:45.479
I held that game in high esteem
and must have sunk over fifty hours into

1487
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.399
it. It's a long time.
While surfing the web around that time,

1488
01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.439
I stumbled onto Jeff's review of the
game, which he gave a very low

1489
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:56.560
score. I received. Jeff's low
opinion of Seaman is a low opinion of

1490
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:59.960
myself and my taste, so I
took it personally. I curse Jeff name

1491
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.439
and for well over a decade,
I would say during that time that a

1492
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:06.239
loss for Jeff was a win for
me. However, in hindsight, I

1493
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.279
see why I didn't have any friends
in middle school. I spent too much

1494
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:15.520
time durtling around with that swamp thing. Yeah it's a really cool idea.

1495
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.920
Yeah that should have been better.
Yeah, ambitious. Also, I just

1496
01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:23.119
I like the arc of that email
and like guy holds a crudge and then

1497
01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.479
gains self awareness and lets it go. I remember getting all the previews for

1498
01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:29.239
that game and getting super excited and
thinking it would I mean the way they

1499
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:31.079
talked about that game when it was
in development, It's like, well,

1500
01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:34.279
you're just gonna have this fish thing
friend that you can just hang out with

1501
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:36.720
and talk to. And I remember
like telling my mom because I was asking

1502
01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.359
for it for Christmas. I was
like, yeah, Moms, I'm just

1503
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:41.479
gonna leave it on the TV,
so it'd be like almost like a fish

1504
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:43.520
tank, so like if you want
to walk in and talk to see man,

1505
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:46.119
you can. And like I thought
that it would recognize like oh hi

1506
01:27:46.319 --> 01:27:49.319
Katie, I oh, I know, recognize my sisters and calling my name

1507
01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:53.920
and stuff like that, and it
didn't work that way. No, Basically,

1508
01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:56.720
it just had said a few things
and I tried to not let spiders

1509
01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:00.520
eat it. Yeah, were there
spiders. I think there were spider There's

1510
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:03.239
all sorts of weird ship to where
it would start evolving like the spiders,

1511
01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:06.640
I want to say, or maybe
it turned into a spider. I remember

1512
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:10.159
there are times were like something super
exciting would happened. It's like, oh

1513
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:12.520
god, it's it's in it's cocoon
or something that's going to come out and

1514
01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.399
be a different creepy looking thing.
Or did it ever was it? Did

1515
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:18.000
it always live in water or was
it? Could it ever evolved the point

1516
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:21.119
that it would got it could get
by on land? I thought seaman too,

1517
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.000
was where that was all the land
based stuff happened. I wonder if

1518
01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:28.159
I can't remember now. I wonder
if every form of seaman has been well

1519
01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:30.439
documented at this point. I'm sure
I want to get out there and see

1520
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:32.600
what. I want to look it
up again. It's been a long time.

1521
01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:35.960
I do remember it being like a
very mysterious game at the time.

1522
01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:40.720
You know, yeah, you're having
no idea how you you know, needed

1523
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:43.560
to get it to hatch and you
know, like how to take care of

1524
01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:45.560
it, and it was very it
was a lot of waiting for shit to

1525
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:48.960
happen, right, Yeah. I
remember like like Leonard Nimoy was a narrator,

1526
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.760
and I remember like you would just
have days and days where you'd check

1527
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:55.319
in and just do stuff and try
to talk to it and nothing would happen.

1528
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:58.199
And then like you'd turn it on
one day and something was happening and

1529
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:00.960
it would be the most exciting thing
in the world. What an odd game?

1530
01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:08.479
Yeah question for Dan from Chris Dan, Yeah, what is hot dish?

1531
01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:12.279
No, you do not need to
search Urban Dictionary. I've been a

1532
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.479
chef for over a decade, and
Dan's egg white story was like looking into

1533
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.640
the mouth of madness. I've spent
years working at great restaurants in Europe and

1534
01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.880
America, but I've never tasted hot
Dish, and I can't even guess what

1535
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:25.760
it is. All I know is
that it is a big Minnesota thing.

1536
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:29.079
Here's the thing. I think a
lot of people that listen to this podcast

1537
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.600
based on tweets I've got, I
think that I'm like born and bred in

1538
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:34.840
Minnesotan, which I lived there for
five years while I worked at Game Informer.

1539
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:39.600
I spent twenty five years growing up
in Kansas. So all that weird

1540
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:42.600
Minnesota shit, all the duck duck, gray duck and the hot dish,

1541
01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:45.600
Oh, you guys are no duck
duck gray duck. Let's not get off

1542
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.680
topic here, all right, what's
the name of the what's the name of

1543
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:50.600
the game you play as a kid
when everyone sits in a circle and he

1544
01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:53.960
touched their heads and then you chase
each other around. Duck duck goose.

1545
01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:57.319
Yeah, yeah, you guys are
saying people that didn't grow up in fucking

1546
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.760
Minnesota, and I call it duck
duck gray duck. Do you mean goose?

1547
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:04.760
No, great deck? Duck duck
gray deck. That's the game they

1548
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:09.159
play. That's what they call it. Everyone in Minnesota calls a great eck.

1549
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.119
You're right, that isn't sane.
Yeah, yep, but so yeah,

1550
01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:14.399
I don't subscribe to that. I
don't know what the hell hot dishes?

1551
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:18.319
You don't uh the great deck things. I don't know what I've heard

1552
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:21.560
did mention? Oh man, I'm
disappointed. No, I'm all game City

1553
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:25.520
barbecue. That's I'm abused to.
I have. I Also, I feel

1554
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:28.439
like I've heard the term hot dish
in the last time we have heard.

1555
01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:30.520
Yeah, I think it's just a
bunch of crap in a bowl and he

1556
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:34.199
makes sure that and hat it up
or something isn't like the KFC bowls or

1557
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.680
something. We should be so lucky
If that was the case, then I

1558
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:41.359
missed out on five years in Minnesota
eating delicious famous bowls. I never I

1559
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:44.239
never had a Famous bowl. Oh
my god, they're incredible. Yeah,

1560
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:46.800
it's everything that's great about KFC and
just one big brown, lumpy thing.

1561
01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:53.039
I mean, I've never had a
double down either. That's that's some more

1562
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:56.800
gimmicky than it is good. It's
kind of weird to eat delivery, Like

1563
01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:58.800
I feel like if I ordered one, I would want to I would just

1564
01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:00.640
say, like, give me a
bun. Yeah, I problem like a

1565
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:05.279
double paddied. Yeah. I don't
know if some like weird Atkins dudes love

1566
01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:08.680
it or something like because oh you're
not getting the carbs from the bun.

1567
01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.359
But yeah, I love fried chicken, I love bacon and cheese, but

1568
01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:14.000
that's not a good way to eat
something. All right, I'm looking at

1569
01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:16.159
hot Dish here on the internet.
I think it's like a cast role test

1570
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:23.720
roll. Yeah, Minnesota tater tot
cast rolls. What what's the structure though,

1571
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:26.199
I mean, what kind of cast
role do you can pick? First

1572
01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:29.199
of all, it isn't a restaurant. Is it a grocery store item?

1573
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:31.000
Is it like a branded It's like
a thing you would eat, like a

1574
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:34.279
families would make hot dish and there's
a would go to like a pot luck

1575
01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:38.680
and there'd be like multiple different hot
dishes there. So it's just a cast

1576
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:41.960
role. Yeah. The most typical
meat for many years have been ground beef,

1577
01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:45.720
and cream of mushroom remains the favorite
can soup. Past years, a

1578
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.960
pasta was the most frequently used starch, but tater tots and local wild rice

1579
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:54.439
have now become very popular as well. Heater tots Yeah, huh, Minnesota

1580
01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:57.119
likes tater tots a lot. I
mean, there's nothing wrong with tator talk

1581
01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.279
good. They're good. I like
tader tot. Maybe not in a cast

1582
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:01.840
role, though I could see it
being good. Yeah, it just seems

1583
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:05.560
like a messy I'd rather just have
a pile of tots messy mess of food.

1584
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:10.119
Personally, for beople to want a
messy mess of food, that is

1585
01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:13.880
so just weird. Yeah, sure, sounds like a lot of wrestlers from

1586
01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:17.560
there. Oh yeah, and they're
all yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

1587
01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:21.439
cold. You know, is Jesse
venture from there or is he just the

1588
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:27.399
ruler of there? Just the ruler
he spent some time up and then he's

1589
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.600
not still in offices no, okay, he went on to become crazy.

1590
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:35.880
Yeah, yeah, I think he
was always pretty crazy, or he went

1591
01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:40.399
on to express his craziness. Sure, a little more openly at least,

1592
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:48.439
all right, speaking of craziness.
Uh, Frazier pinball, says Christian when

1593
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:51.239
the Pinball Arcade was released on Steam
a little while ago. I had a

1594
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:55.520
bit of a pinball marathon that day, all day and most of the night

1595
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.359
to be more precise, when I
went home or when I went to sleep

1596
01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:00.159
that night, I had an odd
dream that I was playing a Frasier themed

1597
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:04.520
pinball table. This is particularly odd
because I've only ever seen a handful of

1598
01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.359
episodes of Frasier in my life.
Yeah. The only thing I recall about

1599
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:12.840
the table was that I had to
shoot Frasier's father reclining Father's reclining chair to

1600
01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.520
make it recline, and then lock
three balls underneath the chair to start martin

1601
01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:18.760
multi ball. It seems reasonable.
I wish I could remember more about the

1602
01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:23.279
table design so I could try to
sell it to stern. People would be

1603
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:28.000
all about a Frasier themed pinball table, right, Yeah. If I saw

1604
01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:30.039
that, I would go up and
play it. Yeah. Sure, I've

1605
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:31.800
got two questions for you guys.
Have you ever played a game so much

1606
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:35.680
that it invaded your dreams? What
kind of a licensed pinball table would you

1607
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:41.640
like to see get made today?
It's frasier, right. I once played

1608
01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:45.479
Taie Fighter for something like twelve to
fourteen straight hours, and then I had

1609
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.000
dreams that I was flying a tie
Fighter. I was commanding conquer like red

1610
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:51.760
alert, like just that, just
the pounding music and everything. You're just

1611
01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:55.560
thinking so fast, trying to build
all your base up and everything. That

1612
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:58.920
I would play multiplayer for like six
hours in college and go to bed and

1613
01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:01.479
just yeah, command games. I'd
have Tetris streams here and there. Yeah.

1614
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.239
Yeah, Yes, I've occasionally like
closed my eyes and dozed off and

1615
01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:06.960
seen pieces falling. Something about puzzle
games will do that, man, for

1616
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:12.359
sure, Luminous, I think that
that. Yeah. Uh. I definitely

1617
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:15.159
start feeling wrong or off if I
play a game for too long without stopping,

1618
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:20.119
like specifically, like when I've had
a marathon something for review, and

1619
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:21.960
like I want to stop playing it, but I can't. Like at a

1620
01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:26.279
certain point, i feel like I'm
losing touch with reality. Yeah, because

1621
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:29.920
I've just been like it happened really
bad with already six. Played a lot

1622
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:32.560
of that game to the point that
I'd like was forgetting about the real world

1623
01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:35.319
around me, right, I guess
that was the other thing that Sony conference.

1624
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:39.760
Oh yes, there's a Resideval Revelations
too. Yeah, on the way

1625
01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:44.920
for three d s. I don't
remember four. I think that was weird.

1626
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:48.560
I thought that they also put out
a proper trailer for that. Uh

1627
01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:55.399
that already one remake. Oh you
know that new Resideval game they're making.

1628
01:34:56.239 --> 01:35:00.720
Sounds fine. Yeah, that brand
new Residmeal game that's coming out. I

1629
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:03.159
don't know what licensed pinball table would
you make? Well, I already made

1630
01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:06.359
a Royal Rumble one. I've never
seen that in the wild. Okay,

1631
01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:13.279
no wrestling. Oh geez on the
legs here. Uh think outside your own

1632
01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:15.439
box, A little bit tango in
cash. Okay, there you go,

1633
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:21.279
nic. I would like they eventually
made a Tron table like that was the

1634
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:25.760
thing that I was Wasn't it a
It was a Tron legacy table specifically,

1635
01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.560
wasn't it? But I only played
it once? It wasn't It didn't seem

1636
01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:35.600
that great. Actually, hmmm.
I would like I'd like Ceylon order table.

1637
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:41.000
I'd get into that. Did they
ever make a ghostbuster table, I

1638
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:43.319
don't think so. Really cool if
you could have like a big state puff

1639
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:45.319
in the back, Yeah, that
seems like a no brainer. Yeah,

1640
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:47.119
all sorts of stuff that'd be pretty
cool. Yeah, that one and everything,

1641
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:53.680
all sorts of crap you could do
stuff with. All right, pinball

1642
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:58.720
it's still hot. It's legal in
Oakland now. Finally, Yeah, Patrick

1643
01:35:58.960 --> 01:36:00.159
didn't interview. Yeah, up on
the site if you want to hear more

1644
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:04.680
about that. It's crazy, Like
I've never had any idea about like pinball's

1645
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:10.840
roots in organized crime stuff like that. Used to say, are still some

1646
01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:13.520
of them and you know, have
the little cards on them that to say

1647
01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:18.800
for amusement purposes only, no gambling. Yeah. Andy from Kansas City says

1648
01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:28.600
subject line Dan versus Pluto. This
is great, totally speculative. I have

1649
01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:30.159
a hunch of Dan believes Pluto is
still a planet, and we'll hear no

1650
01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:34.800
such talk about it being otherwise.
That's basically the holy email. I put

1651
01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:39.680
complete trust and faith and science and
scientists. Okay, all those dudes that

1652
01:36:39.680 --> 01:36:42.520
are much smarter than me, And
if they say Pluto is not a planet,

1653
01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:45.000
then it's not a planet. All
right. I think we can all

1654
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:48.279
breathe a little easier now. I
wish Pluto was still a planet and as

1655
01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:51.079
it was, But I think it's
shitty that it's not. Like who's it

1656
01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:55.880
hurt? Really? I mean,
do you want my serious answer or should

1657
01:36:55.880 --> 01:37:02.560
we just move on? Who does
it hurt everybody? Yeah? Here's the

1658
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:06.880
thing. What is it about Pluto? It makes it not a planet?

1659
01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:10.000
Oh well, do you want to
know like what they forget? Now?

1660
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:14.760
Like I remember this red but they
basically they basically had to at some point

1661
01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:17.479
codify what a planet actually is and
like come up with a bunch of conditions

1662
01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:19.840
that needed to be satisfied. And
I'm trying to remember what all of them

1663
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:24.800
are. An atmosphere, it's no, no, I don't know if there's

1664
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.119
a size requirement. A couple of
them are, Like it has to have

1665
01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:30.159
cleared its own orbit, meaning that
it's kind of annihilated any other objects that

1666
01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:32.279
are in the way of it,
which plute it was not done, essentially,

1667
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:35.159
meaning that like any matter in the
path that the orbit has accreated onto

1668
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:39.079
the planet itself. Yeah, yeah, And wouldn't it have more than any

1669
01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:42.039
because it's the furthest out, so
it's orbit it would be gigantic. It's

1670
01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:45.079
huge. It is huge, but
there are other objects in this path.

1671
01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.560
Also, it has to be consistent
with the ecliptic plane, which is basically

1672
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:51.079
the plane of all the other planets, if that makes sense, if you,

1673
01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:55.039
yeah, because they're all on a
flat plane the way they're but it

1674
01:37:55.199 --> 01:38:00.119
it it has an orbit that criss
crosses that plane. There are other or

1675
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:03.239
other requirements, and then there are
also there are other objects in Solar system

1676
01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:06.399
that are as big as Pluto right, are just way, way way farther

1677
01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:13.960
out. But it's a dwarf Planet's
rest easy. Yeah, spend so much

1678
01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:16.399
time learning the nine planets that like, I just think that school even looks

1679
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:19.039
like, now I know what,
you're only eight. Here's here's how I

1680
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.600
feel about it. If you look
at the world of biology and the insanely

1681
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:28.000
kind of like regimented taxonomy that they've
got, you know, it's got the

1682
01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:31.520
whole like seven layer system of classifying
organisms because there are beef, beans,

1683
01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:36.439
power cream yep, it's basically arranged
into a peermadge. Is that the thing

1684
01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:43.279
that philum kingdom Philum class order,
family, genus species like Philum is a

1685
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:47.079
pretty good word core data, Yes, but they need they need that much

1686
01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:51.560
regimentation because there are millions and millions
of things they need classify, right.

1687
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:58.479
Yeah, so action Adventure, Action
Adventure, Action RPG and now Moba moba

1688
01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:01.079
according to the International Science the consensus, yea is its own species. Right.

1689
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.600
But you know, up until the
last like a decade, we had

1690
01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:08.760
no other examples of planets besides the
ones here, you know, but now

1691
01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.520
like increasingly we were discovering exoplanets like
by the week. Yeah, you know,

1692
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:15.279
so at a certain point that when
you have a much much bigger size

1693
01:39:15.319 --> 01:39:17.760
of specimens to deal with, you
can you need to get a little more

1694
01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:20.279
rigid. That's one's something else.
Yeah, you need to get a little

1695
01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:26.279
more rigid and standardized about what is
what, just to maintain everybody's sanity.

1696
01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:28.640
And that's the science minute. Yeah, and you know we always go with

1697
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:30.560
the best information we have available at
the time, and that information always changes.

1698
01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:34.560
Yeah. Yeah, you might not
know as a kid that like metal

1699
01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:38.560
gear solid is totally an animate,
right, But then the older you get

1700
01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:42.079
get, the older you get get
exposed to more stuff and integrate more and

1701
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:45.760
more life experiences. Is in fact, just like one of my Japanese animal

1702
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:49.000
it was. It was in the
PlayStation section of the Target and a lathe

1703
01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:51.039
that Kansas. I mean they didn't
even have an anime section. I mean

1704
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:57.960
it was a it was a PlayStation
video game action video ESPN's Action I mean,

1705
01:39:58.039 --> 01:40:01.079
with a story that that was basically
rolled from anime headline. Nope,

1706
01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:05.239
it's pulled from Kajima saw Predator,
Diehard and Commando and made a game,

1707
01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:09.479
and and Ghost in the Shell and
Kira. I don't know what those are,

1708
01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.560
but remember I remember Ghost in the
Show was a thing on a demo

1709
01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:15.039
disc I had, and I remember
the game actually not being Oh he has

1710
01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:19.680
ever made his anime? Yeah,
like like I'm not playing r anime?

1711
01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:24.640
Please? Yes? What about bok
Tie? What about back Tie? That's

1712
01:40:24.640 --> 01:40:28.199
not I mean, it's got an
art, it's a it's a it's a

1713
01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:31.279
son of me. Yeah. Bock
Tie is the only true video game that

1714
01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:36.680
Kojima has ever made. Everything else
is a bunch of fucking overly narrated narrative

1715
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:41.800
nonsense. Bock Tie was such a
strange thing. Snatcher is kind of awesome,

1716
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:44.760
it's barely a video game, and
Snatcher just Blade Runner, yeah kind

1717
01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:47.840
of Yeah. But anime, I've
always wanted is like The Rock but anime

1718
01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:51.880
yep, No, but a game
you can play like a man lives in

1719
01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:56.279
another man's arm, James Bond,
like The Rock, It's it's the most

1720
01:40:56.359 --> 01:41:00.079
anime shit imaginable. It's nawo machines. That's not anime. It's it's an

1721
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:04.159
anime. Yeah, that's nothing to
do. I mean, I also subscribed

1722
01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:10.239
to the theory that wrestling is mostly
similar to animal But I also subscribed to

1723
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:14.840
the notion that like, but wrestling
is fucking actual stunts and awesome, and

1724
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.960
anime is actually fucking dumb. I'm
gonna hate it if I ever do actually

1725
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.119
watch an anime and it turns out
I just love it. It's it's really

1726
01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:26.600
a scree prospects. I've never watched
with you. So I have seen Ninja

1727
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:30.279
Scroll. I bought Goal Go thirteen
the professional and never watched it. I

1728
01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:33.640
own Akira and have not seen it. It's probably really good. I actually

1729
01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:36.479
really like Street Fighter two V,
which was an anime, but it setting

1730
01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:39.800
the street Fighter you know, so
of course it is. When did that

1731
01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:42.800
I know there's been multiple Street Fighter
animes? Is that the one came out

1732
01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:45.640
It was like late nineties, probably
late nineties. I think that's the one

1733
01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:47.159
I saw and also enjoyed. I
mean, but at the same time,

1734
01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:50.319
it's basically Dragonball Z because you have
fucking like, here's a whole episode where

1735
01:41:50.319 --> 01:41:54.760
were you and Ken are just fucking
charging fire? Was that a serialized thing?

1736
01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:58.439
Yeah, I watched a Street Fighter
anime movie. Yeah, there was

1737
01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:00.840
a Street Fighter Alpha movie that came
out of that time too, but two

1738
01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.439
v came out on like seven DVDs
or something like that. So it does

1739
01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:06.960
scare me because remember when we did
our quick look of that one piece game.

1740
01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:10.560
I think both of us are kind
of like, this is mucky.

1741
01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:13.680
Dude's pretty cool and this is all
weird. If you like the stories in

1742
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:15.319
Japanese video games, it's like,
what do you think all those people grew

1743
01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:18.960
up watching and you know, like
we're influenced by I mean, it's it's

1744
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:23.760
all kind of sides of the same
coin. On some level, that's just

1745
01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:27.840
you just don't have to fucking deal
with bullshit because there's gameplay in the middle

1746
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:29.920
of it, except for in the
case of Metal Gear, where the gameplay

1747
01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.039
is so thin that it's pretty much
just anime. But then I feel if

1748
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:34.359
I start watching the anime or whatever. Then just like two months later,

1749
01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:38.479
I've got like a Samurai sword on
my wall and I'm wearing like flame shirts,

1750
01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.439
and you gotta be careful. I
mean, I know that's the Japanese

1751
01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:45.119
studies classes, solid valid concerns.
Some point you're wearing a silken goku.

1752
01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:49.079
Yeah, that's the silk and goku. I'm just gonna like, no turn

1753
01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:51.359
back, turn back from that.
I'm gonna keep being a cool guy that

1754
01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:57.119
plays action games. I have been
thinking more and more about sitting you down

1755
01:42:57.159 --> 01:43:00.760
and making you play offs or his
raff. I've played it, and that's

1756
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:02.399
the thing too, is like did
you do crazy? Shit was happening?

1757
01:43:02.439 --> 01:43:04.399
I was like, this is crazy
and awesome. Did you enjoy it?

1758
01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:08.520
I mean I didn't. I didn't
like the gameplay, but I like nobody's

1759
01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.359
nobody really likes it for the gameplay. Well, I mean when I say

1760
01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:13.279
that, though, that means I
only got like two hours into the game.

1761
01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:17.239
Then well and then because yeah,
the game I saw it like a

1762
01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:20.800
giant man like pierce a sword through
the earth. Like I said, you

1763
01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:26.119
saw nothing where that thing goes from
there? Is it goes so much further?

1764
01:43:26.319 --> 01:43:30.199
Oh my god, it's totally an
I can't yep, I can't be

1765
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.720
that guy. I can't do The
beautiful like tragic thing about anime is that

1766
01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:38.319
it isn't it isn't a genre.
It's just a type of thing. And

1767
01:43:38.399 --> 01:43:42.600
then you have things that are action
based swords and magic and planets instead of

1768
01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:45.680
metal Gear is a cool spy with
a gun that's going there to kill terrorists.

1769
01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:47.479
But then there's Goal Go thirteen,
which is an anime and he's just

1770
01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:51.239
a fucking sniper. I like that. Yeah, I like snipers, but

1771
01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:56.279
also also like metal Gear is rotten
with like military magic at this point,

1772
01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:59.800
Like they might explain it all the
way with nano machines, but it's still

1773
01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:02.760
the same absurd bullshit. No,
even the key card interacts with the salt

1774
01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:08.760
in your sweat to energy field opens
doors and yeah, yeah it's a cool

1775
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:12.680
gun. Actually it is fucking pretty
cool shit, Yeah, presented in a

1776
01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:15.920
very anime like way. Yep,
you're thinking of Twin Snakes. Yeah,

1777
01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:18.560
oh yeah, I mean yes,
absolutely, Like Twin Snakes is like ten

1778
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:23.960
times yeah the anime because you know
that the AQ, the anime quotient is

1779
01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:27.760
fucking way higher in Twin Snakes because
he's like, he's like dancing on missiles

1780
01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:30.359
and stuff, flipping on missiles and
flying like thirty feet in the air and

1781
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.359
shooting stack. I mean, for
as much as I like was not a

1782
01:44:34.479 --> 01:44:38.279
huge fan of Metal gar Solid at
the time, like Twin Snakes, for

1783
01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:41.439
me, was still still even to
me, that was still somehow in a

1784
01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:45.079
front in a lot of ways of
just no, you've know like you Solid

1785
01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:47.479
is more grounded gameplay changes in that
I can appreciate, But all this other

1786
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:54.239
stuff, Nope, yeah, were
said as gritty and real. It's the

1787
01:44:54.359 --> 01:45:02.279
Bullet Club of video games, which
is say, it's pretty much anime moving

1788
01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:06.840
on one day, you'll wake up. You don't have to. I don't

1789
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:10.880
want to. You know, you
can acknowledge that it's anime, but still

1790
01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:13.960
not watch anime. There's there's there's
it's a fine line, but it is

1791
01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:15.640
a line. That line does exist. I'm just I'm so happy in this

1792
01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:19.000
bubble I've created for myself, and
I don't you know, I don't necessarily

1793
01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:24.079
want to dip my toe outside of
that. No, that's I'm having a

1794
01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:26.520
good time in here. Yeah,
that's that's not the worst move. It's

1795
01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:28.880
not the worst move. There's things
you can learn about the world. That

1796
01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:31.079
the change of man. That's true. I'm thirty. I don't need to

1797
01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:34.239
learn anything anymore. No, yeah, you're done. Yeah, that's yep,

1798
01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:40.359
a healthy way to get through life. Actually, i'm reading books now,

1799
01:45:40.359 --> 01:45:42.319
I'm actually learning stuff. Okay,
there you go. Yeah, I

1800
01:45:42.359 --> 01:45:45.640
read a whole book. I just
finished one today. Would you read jobs?

1801
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:48.720
Oh, the biography? The Yeah, that guy's the best, well,

1802
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:53.319
you know in the way that he's
a super just like yes, narcissistic,

1803
01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:57.359
yeah, asshole like yeah, I
thought he was absolutely fascinating. Yeah,

1804
01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:00.199
but you know people, people can
be huge assholes and also a push

1805
01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:02.199
amazing things. Oh yeah, he
seems amazing. What might say you have

1806
01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:06.039
to be one? That's well,
I don't think you have to be I

1807
01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:13.960
think it's common works for me.
Uh, Tony and Maryland cream cheese and

1808
01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:16.479
the larvettes. I don't want any
part of any of that. I was

1809
01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.319
a state fair recently, and they
of course had a deep fry booth,

1810
01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:24.319
oreos, candy bars, twinkies,
the usual stuff. They also had deep

1811
01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:27.720
fried larvettes and cream cheese. For
those who don't know, larvettes are dried

1812
01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.840
crisped worms, seasoned with various flavors. Nope. In this case it was

1813
01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:35.039
cheddar cheese flavored larvattes and a chunk
of cream cheese then deep fried. Personally,

1814
01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:38.840
I found this absolutely disgusting and would
never eat it, but I wondered

1815
01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:41.479
if any of you would try it. Furthermore, how do you feel about

1816
01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:45.239
eating bugs in general? I hate
cream cheese. I mean that where it

1817
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:47.199
starts and stops for you. The
larvate stuff, I mean, we've got

1818
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:49.079
we got those sent in the mail. You would always be like, we're

1819
01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:53.600
making a game about bugs, so
you set these dumb things people Earth Defence

1820
01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:56.600
Forces coming out and get cholate crickets
I ate, yeah, yeah, but

1821
01:46:56.920 --> 01:46:59.880
it's like they're just crunchy and like
there especially like these things, like they

1822
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.560
so much like barbecue chip, potato
chip powder on them that they just taste

1823
01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:05.479
like that, right, eat a
chip. Yeah. I tried them and

1824
01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:09.840
went like this is not filling or
fun, Like this is stupid on all

1825
01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:14.039
ends. When I was in school, the entomology department came in to the

1826
01:47:14.119 --> 01:47:17.439
cafeteria one time and made some bug
food. So I had, let's see,

1827
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:23.479
remember eating crickets. I think I
had a hot dog with some meal

1828
01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:28.840
worms on top of it, And
I remember I think they had rice crispy

1829
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:34.479
treats that were like dusted with moth
eggs, gross or something. There's buckle

1830
01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:40.319
up though, because for one thing, bugs are making their way steadily into

1831
01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:45.079
fine dining. But there's also as
the population continues to explode, there is

1832
01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:47.800
an increasing movement toward because eating bugs, like I mean, they're like super

1833
01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:53.760
high in protein and generally nutritious and
require like zero resources and space to cultivate.

1834
01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:57.359
So I have a standing like two
or three hundred dollar bet with my

1835
01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:01.359
friend Eva that she claims that in
my lifetime or the next fifty years,

1836
01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:04.840
you will be able to buy edible
bugs at Walmart. That's yeah, that's

1837
01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:08.479
what I'm That's what I'm talking about. There are people within fifty years from

1838
01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:11.239
now from where we made the bed
a couple of years ago. Yeah,

1839
01:48:11.479 --> 01:48:15.079
yeah, I buy that. But
I could see it being like a weird

1840
01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:17.640
like hippie stores. Yeah, but
not not Walmart. This like great American

1841
01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:19.840
institution. They're not going to be
selling a weird crap like bugs. But

1842
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:23.720
I think like we'll get to a
point where like they will have processed that

1843
01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:27.159
ship so much that it will just
be like in the store the same way

1844
01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:30.319
a tofu burger would be or something
like that. There's a bug burger.

1845
01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:34.199
It's high in protein and like way
less stressful on the environment. Also,

1846
01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:39.960
we have no room left to fucking
and no water left to get cows to

1847
01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:42.560
the point where we can make beef
out of them. So wait, what

1848
01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:45.960
we're gonna be done with beef?
Well, it's it's really expensive, cat

1849
01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:49.520
readibly resource intensive. Rays but we're
not going to end at a point in

1850
01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:51.840
the near future where I can't get
like a hammer. No, no,

1851
01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:56.039
not not in our lifetimes. Okay. And they also they also produce they

1852
01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:59.640
also produce like a staggering amount of
methane. Yeah, like the stuff that

1853
01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:01.319
stuff will happen in our live times
will be way more heinous than not.

1854
01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:04.039
Well, yeah, it was pretty
well a lot of a lot of the

1855
01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:08.199
stuff about like bugs is food that
I've seen is more for like developing nations

1856
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:11.960
for the world, like where it's
just not feasible to raise a lot of

1857
01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:13.840
live stock. Yeah, but you
know, at some point, if they

1858
01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:16.000
process that shit enough and it,
you know, reformulates into something that resembles

1859
01:49:16.039 --> 01:49:18.039
meat, like I'd give a shot. I don't care. Yeah, the

1860
01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:21.600
more process something is the better taste
exactly. So I'm completely fine of that.

1861
01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:26.000
So if I can't tell it's a
bug and it tastes real, yeah,

1862
01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:28.399
it's just like a patty that you've
you know, that you've seasoned,

1863
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:31.600
like a hamburger. I had fake
meat. That's fine. Like the my

1864
01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:35.199
problem with a lot of the fake
burgers and Boca burgers and a lot of

1865
01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:41.680
stuff is it's just it's really grainy
and like the mouth feel is is kind

1866
01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:45.279
of off. But like I you
know, I don't really have a problem

1867
01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:47.960
with fake meat and that sort of
stuff. I just don't taste yeah,

1868
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:53.279
exactly. Yeah, Like you know, I like tofu. Yeah, I'm

1869
01:49:53.319 --> 01:49:58.600
totally a well prepared well prepared tofusly
it's like made out of the latinous.

1870
01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:00.720
Say, I don't know, it
takes on shapes. Yeah, it depends

1871
01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:02.720
on how you you know, if
it's fried, it's a little more tough,

1872
01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:05.840
and like I think I encounter it
mostly in hot and sour soup.

1873
01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:11.239
Yes, it's in a lot of
Chinese food, but just so you can

1874
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:15.000
season it in a way that you
know at some point, at some point,

1875
01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:16.880
like the dark secret about most meats
and stuff is that you know,

1876
01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:21.319
the seasoning is what gives it most
of its flavor, especially as the like

1877
01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:26.000
with those super processed stuff, So
you can approximate that a lot of the

1878
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:29.199
way with tofu, you're always going
to know it's different. The texture will

1879
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:31.279
always be like there's always a textual
difference, which is the thing that kind

1880
01:50:31.319 --> 01:50:34.520
of breaks it for me a lot. It's like like the meat, like

1881
01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:40.680
the actual beef and a hamburger bad
for you. I mean protein, Yeah,

1882
01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:43.119
it's too much. Team Like too
much of anything is going to be

1883
01:50:43.159 --> 01:50:45.720
bad for you. On too much. Too much red meat has been linked

1884
01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:47.920
to colon cancer, yeah, pretty
steadily. And uh you know, but

1885
01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:53.439
like you know what, there was
another survey out today or yesterday or something

1886
01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:59.239
that was like refuting the dietary trends
of like don't eat fat and like going

1887
01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:03.159
more in favor of like be low
carb. Okay, like maybe not quite

1888
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:05.800
all the way full atkins, no
car but but it was another thing of

1889
01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:11.840
just like actually just stay away from
trans fats, these specific types of fats,

1890
01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:15.079
and you know you actually probably should
eat some of the other fats.

1891
01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:17.159
I just feel like no one ever
knows anything. It just seems like like

1892
01:51:17.319 --> 01:51:20.359
every well, talking about milk double
backs on itself fucking nine times, Like

1893
01:51:20.399 --> 01:51:23.840
milk doesn't body good. It's like
no, actually, it's full of fucking

1894
01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:27.960
puss and it's a nightmare and we
shouldn't be drinking it anyway because we're out

1895
01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:30.640
of the womb now. Yeah,
like bread was a healthy Like bread and

1896
01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:31.680
milk were like super healthy things and
I was a kid. Now it's like,

1897
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.319
oh crap, it's carbs and fat
and it's like nobody knows shit,

1898
01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.479
yeah, basically, and you know, all that stuff will reverse itself again,

1899
01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.520
probably at some point we learn more
about it, but then you know,

1900
01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:45.520
the thing that we replace it with
might be worse. Who knows shit

1901
01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:47.800
that tastes good. That's kind of
where I'm at with it. They did

1902
01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:54.079
a taste test of the first lab
grown meat, oh yeah, the other

1903
01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:56.960
day. That was like a super
expensive hamburger. Yes, I'd have to

1904
01:51:57.039 --> 01:51:59.000
look it up. I mean,
you know, it's obviously experimental from a

1905
01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:01.199
lab. It's probably like a you
know, half a million dollars hamburger or

1906
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:05.520
something like that. Of the reviews
were not glowing. They didn't make it

1907
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:09.680
sound like it was all that amazing. What was. I mean, I

1908
01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:13.000
forget, just like texture and flavor
were not. They said it was getting

1909
01:52:13.039 --> 01:52:17.359
there, but not amazing. Yeah. Uh, let's see where that stuff

1910
01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:20.039
goes. It sounds like it's not
nearly as easy as you would think it

1911
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:23.279
is. That's that's the thing.
Man. It's like, you know,

1912
01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:28.039
I like if people want to be
all organic and not be a part of

1913
01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:30.079
this stuff, like, that's fine, that's their decision. But like me,

1914
01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:33.840
personally, I think food science is
fucking maze. I just science is

1915
01:52:33.880 --> 01:52:38.199
cool. So the idea of like
food science where they can grow meat in

1916
01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:40.640
a lab and you know, it's
like, hey, we figured out a

1917
01:52:40.680 --> 01:52:43.640
way to grow this stuff bigger so
it can feed more people. And it's

1918
01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:45.560
like, like that stuff is incredibly
fascinating to me. So you're done with

1919
01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:49.079
GMOs, I guess, so?
I guess. So, yeah, can't

1920
01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:51.600
they make like they can feed chickens
things that make it so they produce more

1921
01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:56.000
nuggets or whatever at this point?
And like that, So I'm all for

1922
01:52:56.199 --> 01:52:58.920
whatever kind of genetic crap you mean. I mean no, I mean,

1923
01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:00.960
like they make the chickens so there's
more nuggety parts on their body that you

1924
01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.359
can cut off and eat you mean
everything that's not the meat, whatever the

1925
01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:06.399
fuck it is, it's delicious.
As long as you get more of that,

1926
01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:11.560
I don't care what the chicken looks
like. Bones and the browns are

1927
01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:14.760
delicious, then yeah, the delicious
nuggety bones. Pink the pink slime,

1928
01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:18.640
Sure again, they just ooze pink
slime. It's all about have you seen

1929
01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:24.000
have you seen videos about the the
making of chicken nuggets? Interest in it?

1930
01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:26.199
And if I did, if you
tell me that you've seen it and

1931
01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:28.960
doesn't bother you, I'm totally fine
with it. I've seen it. It

1932
01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:30.800
doesn't bother it. I bet if
I saw it, I wouldn't give a

1933
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:32.600
shit. I would just want to
eat more nuggets, all right? Like

1934
01:53:32.720 --> 01:53:35.239
it to me? It to me, it's fascinating any in the same way

1935
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:38.119
that all food science is. If
you look at it and go, like,

1936
01:53:38.159 --> 01:53:39.439
you know, when they say stuff
like, oh, they wash it

1937
01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:41.520
with ammonia, it's like, that's
probably bad for you. But if it

1938
01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:43.760
was truly bad for you, wouldn't
they not be allowed to sell it?

1939
01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:45.399
Yeahs illegal? And then at some
point you have to like decide if you

1940
01:53:45.479 --> 01:53:47.960
trust the FDA, Right, That's
where that's kind of where it gets.

1941
01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:50.840
I trust anything I can find in
a store, like a real store,

1942
01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:54.479
like, not a hippie store like
a Walmart. I trust everything in Walmart.

1943
01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:58.239
You can't get to that level of
success and be something that's bad for

1944
01:53:58.319 --> 01:54:00.720
you. Well, I mean you
can't. I mean they're Yeah, there's

1945
01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:02.760
unhealthy food that they sell cigarettes a
Walmart, but it's not gonna kid.

1946
01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:06.479
Yeah, I mean it's not like
illegally bad for you stuff. Yeah,

1947
01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:11.720
if it's on a Walmart shelf,
I trusted completely. And if the government's

1948
01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:15.279
steering us astray, which they probably
are, it'll be too late for everyone.

1949
01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:18.640
So that I agree with except the
taste good and have fun, and

1950
01:54:19.239 --> 01:54:21.640
I don't know, not that so
much. Yeah, this is the kind

1951
01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:26.199
of conversation we should be having in
front of an audience. Yeah, I

1952
01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:29.279
mean you're like, honestly, the
reactions that I imagine to the last thirty

1953
01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:32.760
seconds be pretty great. But you
know, at some point it just comes

1954
01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.920
down to you, like all all
trust of all branches of government, like

1955
01:54:35.960 --> 01:54:41.760
how much do you actually have?
And it's the problem where the people that

1956
01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:45.039
yell the loudest about it are also
the most insane and detached from reality.

1957
01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:48.760
So you listen to it and go
like, well, it's impossible for me

1958
01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:56.720
to take anything this person says seriously, and everything else seems sane. So

1959
01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:00.159
I'm just gonna continue to eat chicken
nuggets from time to Yeah, you'd probably

1960
01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:08.199
be fun and it'll probably be okay. You know, cam trails are probably

1961
01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:13.079
not actually happening, you know,
I hope not. And if they are,

1962
01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:16.479
so what, there's kind of nothing
that anyone could really do about it

1963
01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:19.439
anyway, and yelling about it more
it just makes you seem that much more

1964
01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:24.199
detached from reality. Indeed, for
the record, I have zero belief in

1965
01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:27.920
kim trails of any kind. Yeah, somebody will take an offing and comment

1966
01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:30.960
and it doesn't seem run with.
It doesn't seem fun to just worry about

1967
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:33.239
that crap all day, just run
around yelling about food and crops and pest

1968
01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:36.199
aside or whatever. Just it's a
lot more fun to just eat stuff that

1969
01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:40.920
tastes good and just have a fun
time. Like Andy Freeze. Yeah,

1970
01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:44.359
here that tastes pretty good. That
is that on crap and delicious? Yes

1971
01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:45.439
it is. I probably ate a
lot of it, And here I am

1972
01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:47.880
feeling fresh as a daisy. So
I don't give a shit. You're a

1973
01:55:47.960 --> 01:55:53.039
medical of modern modern You're a miracle
of modern medical science. That's the thing

1974
01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:57.199
we all are. I guess so
society is. It's all amazing. We

1975
01:55:57.319 --> 01:56:00.880
made it this far. Sure,
it's all going to end soon, either

1976
01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:03.720
on an individual level or a societal
one. Yes, everything's fine. When

1977
01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:06.720
it all crumbles and it becomes a
mad Max wasteland, You're gonna wish you

1978
01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:11.039
had more chicken nuggets when they sold
them. Yeah, Oh maybe I'm just

1979
01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:15.119
eating sand or whatever. Yeah sand
nuggets. Yeah, don't eat them as

1980
01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:21.119
as chicken nuggets. Nope. Really
depressed now I'm feeling great whatever. The

1981
01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:25.560
end of the world will be fun. We're not gonna see it, aren't

1982
01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:29.479
we There's no way everything is gonna
be fine. I kind of want to

1983
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:33.479
wow. What's optimistic? Yeah?
You actually just want to see it for

1984
01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:39.680
like fun seaser if ye like nuclear
winter types tough? Yeah, like you

1985
01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:44.000
know, wastelands are stuff. I'm
I want to see it all, man,

1986
01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:45.119
I want to be around for the
end. I don't want to die

1987
01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:48.239
and go like there's gonna be more
someone's gonna make into space and it won't

1988
01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:50.600
be me. I'm gonna be like, Nope, when I'm done, shut

1989
01:56:50.680 --> 01:56:54.920
it all down. I want like
fifty more years and eating nuggets and writing

1990
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:57.319
roller coasters and playing video games.
What are you talking about? I want

1991
01:56:57.399 --> 01:57:00.600
like twenty more years of that,
and then give me fucking fighting for my

1992
01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:04.920
life in the wasteland. You want
to be like an older dude fighting,

1993
01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:11.359
like yeah, man, like fucking
I don't know Chris Christofferson or some shit

1994
01:57:11.520 --> 01:57:15.880
that motherfucker could survive in a wasteland. Probably just me in a walking city,

1995
01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.680
yeah, exactly, Me in a
walking stick with a thick scarf and

1996
01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:23.640
the fucking wind. Yeah, yeah, killing people for gas, that's what

1997
01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:29.359
I want. I don't really know
where to go from here. The breakdown

1998
01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:31.880
of society sounds like it'll be a
fucking great time. You're not gonna have

1999
01:57:31.960 --> 01:57:34.399
internet. If you don't die in
the first five minutes, you might make

2000
01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:39.039
it another fucking five years. Then
what, It's always just gonna keep getting

2001
01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:43.159
worse. Exactly, Everything's gonna keep
getting better. This is what we've been

2002
01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:48.199
training for. It doesn't sound fun
to me, man, Okay, T

2003
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:53.399
really only one more email I can
read after that. It's gonna be fun

2004
01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:59.479
though. Uh. This is from
Hamish, who signs the email at the

2005
01:57:59.479 --> 01:58:01.760
bottom of hand bo that's cool.
I like that. I want to point

2006
01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:09.319
out that there is nary a lowercase
letter nor any form of punctuation in this

2007
01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:13.239
entire email. Zodiac motherfucker. Basically, you know, I'll just hold the

2008
01:58:13.319 --> 01:58:15.600
laptop up so you can kind of
see what I'm Yeah, yeah, I

2009
01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:17.560
kind of see where I'm coming from
with this. I'm going to do my

2010
01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:23.560
best to read it in the dramatic
way I think it was intended. Subject

2011
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:30.239
line Bucky fueled email complimenting Jabomb crew
one hundred percent for all hard work,

2012
01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:34.880
A thousand percent. Yep, hi
GB, I'm drunk on Bucky. I

2013
01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:38.039
like that. You know Bucky and
I'm a long time listener, and I

2014
01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:41.000
thought i'd express how cool you are
because you might be getting down reading shitty

2015
01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:44.319
emails. Well, those days are
over. This is the best one hundred

2016
01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:50.159
thousand percent. Yeah, Dan,
You're my favorite weirdo ever. I love

2017
01:58:50.399 --> 01:58:54.000
how you love objectively shitty food.
Also, what do you think of Keith

2018
01:58:54.000 --> 01:58:56.600
for southerlhe voicing Big Boss and MGS
five. I think they've done fucked up

2019
01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:58.880
and couldn't get him in the studio
for long enough. Also, thanks for

2020
01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:02.399
being a cool man. Okay,
I like this guy. Is that it

2021
01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:06.279
Bratt? I love how you read
emails about weird fetishes in this one and

2022
01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:09.319
how you like dot to two even
if it is a weird game for nerds.

2023
01:59:09.359 --> 01:59:13.720
And I think you're damn cool and
a good friend. Drew. You

2024
01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:15.359
are a military man. Thanks for
all the sweet ownfull on North Korea,

2025
01:59:15.399 --> 01:59:17.840
and thanks for playing medic your solid
is my favorite jib On series and being

2026
01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:25.359
real handsome and even though you're not
weird m Jeff, you're the rocket in

2027
01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:27.239
the center of this weird motley crew, but you can still have a laugh

2028
01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:29.119
sometimes. And I know that you're
a good person. Really, I believe

2029
01:59:29.119 --> 01:59:31.279
in do the best you can.
I want to be at the end of

2030
01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:34.680
the world with this guy. Thank
you for the lass and for knowing what

2031
01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:40.119
Buckfast is your pal from Scotland Hambo. Hambo seems like the sort of guy

2032
01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:42.520
you could tell tell him to,
like put this guy in a cage and

2033
01:59:42.600 --> 01:59:45.359
keep him there, and like Hambo
would get it done. Like if you

2034
01:59:45.439 --> 01:59:49.880
need people caged up for whatever fucking
end of the world type shit you know

2035
01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:54.479
you got going on. If you
need prisoners, I don't know. Also,

2036
01:59:54.760 --> 01:59:59.680
they stole some of the bug food
and now they pay by becoming bug

2037
01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:04.000
food. Also minutes later, another
email came in. Okay yeah from Hambo.

2038
02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:08.720
Well more to Hambo, I have
to say subjects line. Also fuck

2039
02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:12.199
Dan Reicher. Okay, yeah,
okay, light's body. Also fuck Dan

2040
02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:15.760
reichert cheers Dan for all the laps. One hundred percent, one thousand percent

2041
02:00:15.399 --> 02:00:20.680
your pal from Scotland. Hambo,
All right, Hambo, right, okay,

2042
02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:24.039
I can't tell if he likes me
or not. I thought he did

2043
02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:26.119
it first, but I mean he
Scottish, he probably likes you. A

2044
02:00:26.199 --> 02:00:28.840
Scottish guy at our panel. Give
me a big thing like fifteen year old

2045
02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:30.159
Scotch whiskey that I got on my
desk. I wanted to drink that on

2046
02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:33.479
EPF. So, yeah, Scotland
seems cool. Yeah, Scotland seems like

2047
02:00:33.520 --> 02:00:36.600
it's pretty cool. Camera tosses and
ship they throw a fucking telephone pulls at

2048
02:00:36.600 --> 02:00:40.079
each other. Yeah, they seem
like pretty cool dudes over there. Yeah,

2049
02:00:40.079 --> 02:00:42.279
I think I want to check that
out. Would you eat haggis snow?

2050
02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.880
That's like a dumb stomach of a
sheep or something cooked in It's cooked

2051
02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:47.359
in the stomach. Yes, yes, he's cooked stuff. You don't eat

2052
02:00:47.359 --> 02:00:49.119
the stomach or what is it.
I don't know if you eat the lining

2053
02:00:49.279 --> 02:00:53.920
like the container or the stomach or
not. But I believe, I believe

2054
02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:58.279
it also contains intestine. Yes,
here's the thing. Every animal tastes great,

2055
02:00:58.479 --> 02:01:00.640
but only like the meaty food parts. Not I'm not gonna eat any

2056
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:06.159
organs. I gonna eat stomach or
trite or whatever that is. That's what's

2057
02:01:06.199 --> 02:01:10.960
in chicken nuggets. But it doesn't
look weird. It looks like a delicious

2058
02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:13.319
thing that I've been eating since I
was like four. I'm just saying that

2059
02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:15.560
ignorance is bliss. Yes, that's
the whole point of life, exactly.

2060
02:01:15.880 --> 02:01:19.840
Yes, so let's sit. You
know that happier you are. I'm smart

2061
02:01:19.960 --> 02:01:23.680
enough to know how stupid I am, and I know that I love it

2062
02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:30.399
this way. BombCast at chapon dot
com. It's the email address she like

2063
02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:35.039
send in another inciting email. Buckfast
is fantastic. I still don't know what

2064
02:01:35.119 --> 02:01:38.159
that is. Yeah, did you
drink that bottle? No? Not yet?

2065
02:01:38.239 --> 02:01:40.640
Oh yeah, they sent that.
I really wish, Danny, it's

2066
02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:43.159
a fortified tonic wine. I really
wish I had gotten Danny to bring me

2067
02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:45.560
a bottle. I would like it's
fourteen percent? Is it wine? Though

2068
02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:48.800
that sounds fancy, it's not.
It is the opposite of fancy. It's

2069
02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:53.239
made by monks. It's a bum
wine. Even that even bum wine over

2070
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.239
there, it's made by monks.
It does not taste like what it is

2071
02:01:56.600 --> 02:01:59.920
sickly sweet, but even calling it
wine just has this air. I mean,

2072
02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.560
what do you tell us on like
sparks and like, uh, I've

2073
02:02:02.560 --> 02:02:04.760
never had an energy I've never had
an energy drink in my life, so

2074
02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:08.920
I don't know none of those have
energy in them anymore. Let me have

2075
02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:12.479
the energy part, oh, because
it taste anything like Night Train. It's

2076
02:02:12.600 --> 02:02:15.000
it's around there, but sweeter.
Okay, I do like night Train.

2077
02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:17.520
I used to get that on like
a lot in college just because the Guns

2078
02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:20.119
and Roses. So sure, we
only drank it when we went to see

2079
02:02:20.159 --> 02:02:24.640
the local excellent Guns and Roses cover
band. Are they around here? No?

2080
02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:27.319
This wasn't Carolina, but like,
yeah, have you ever had Mad

2081
02:02:27.359 --> 02:02:30.000
Dog twenty twenty? No, I've
literally just had like train. Okay,

2082
02:02:30.239 --> 02:02:34.000
So, like Cisco and Mad Dog
are very fruit flavored, but they also

2083
02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:38.880
taste like fucking paint thinner. That
just sounds madam, I'd rather just have

2084
02:02:38.920 --> 02:02:42.159
a shitty beer. Yeah, it's
those are bad. That's a bad scene,

2085
02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:44.920
and I don't want sugary stuff.
I just well, if you don't

2086
02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:46.000
want sugary stuff, then don't want
to just get fast. It's it's a

2087
02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:50.239
sweet sugary I mean, I'd try
it. It's super cheap and super potent.

2088
02:02:50.319 --> 02:02:53.880
So it's the sort of thing that
you know, like people drink and

2089
02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:56.840
then fight and then it just so
happens that after you finish it, you

2090
02:02:56.920 --> 02:03:00.439
have a handy weapon in your hand
in the form of a glass fucking bottle.

2091
02:03:00.960 --> 02:03:01.680
Okay, that all sounds pretty good
when you put it that way.

2092
02:03:01.760 --> 02:03:05.720
Yeah's being marketing for Buckfast totally.
Yeah. But instead they're all like these

2093
02:03:05.800 --> 02:03:10.439
monks make it, which is like
wayles's cool, completely different than get drunk,

2094
02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:13.560
unless they like have the commercial or
like fucking monks fighting each I was

2095
02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:15.239
gonna say, what if they're like
martial arts, Yeah, they're like you

2096
02:03:15.279 --> 02:03:19.319
know, yeah, if they're just
like we we wield fist weapons, soloth

2097
02:03:19.439 --> 02:03:21.840
armor, Like if it's those kind
of monks, yeah, it's cool ass

2098
02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:25.680
like shallon monks. We're just getting
drunk and like having sweet fights at each

2099
02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:28.800
other. Then that sounds like maybe
the coolest alcohol. Yeah no, Instead

2100
02:03:28.840 --> 02:03:33.439
it's like just the Benedictine monks or
whatever. I don't know. They make

2101
02:03:33.479 --> 02:03:35.800
it, and then they make it
and then try to like ignore the part

2102
02:03:35.880 --> 02:03:40.000
where the only people that drink it
are people that are fighting themselves, are

2103
02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:45.960
drinking themselves to death, and try
to say no the whole thing. I

2104
02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:49.359
think there's a push to actually put
it into plastic bottles, while on account

2105
02:03:49.399 --> 02:03:57.800
of the violence I saw they're doing
shatterproof mickeys. Now really like it's still

2106
02:03:57.840 --> 02:04:00.760
glass, but it's shatterproof plastic plat
man, that's no. What is that?

2107
02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:02.640
I thought i'd like it. I
bought one and I drank it,

2108
02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:04.800
But now you won't have the forty. You gotta have that that weight.

2109
02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:10.760
Yeah, I don't know. A
plastic bottle of forty seems. And also

2110
02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:13.520
who's who's buying the hand grenades?
I got those a couple times in college

2111
02:04:13.520 --> 02:04:15.319
and it's like, yeah, this
is Mickey's. I love Mickey's, but

2112
02:04:15.439 --> 02:04:16.640
just get make god damn forty ounce. Well you just get a case of

2113
02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:19.079
them, Just drink the whole case
yourself. I don't know, Yeah,

2114
02:04:19.239 --> 02:04:21.720
you don't hold it. Forty forties
the best. Yeah, I guess there's

2115
02:04:21.800 --> 02:04:25.640
there's a there's an art to gripping
of forty. There's the feel of the

2116
02:04:25.720 --> 02:04:29.000
forty in your hand. Why is
it a hand grenade? It looks it's

2117
02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:32.319
a little green, stubby thing,
little grenade shaped bottles, little of what

2118
02:04:32.640 --> 02:04:35.760
Mickey's malt liquor. It's like a
six pack. Yeah, no, you

2119
02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:40.239
got a case like twelve. I've
always got selling sixes, but we always

2120
02:04:40.279 --> 02:04:43.239
just get a box that's like twelve. It's like eighteen or twenty four.

2121
02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:45.279
Isn't like that? Is it like
eleven ounces per like a beer? No,

2122
02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.039
it's less. Oh what's the point
of that. They're little, they're

2123
02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:51.199
a little handy. It's like the
tiny red stripes almost yeah, more barrel

2124
02:04:51.239 --> 02:04:55.680
shapes, okay, ma, right, but you just buy a case of

2125
02:04:55.720 --> 02:05:00.800
them, huh weird and then just
you know, I mean the handy part

2126
02:05:00.840 --> 02:05:03.319
of that is that you've always freshly
opened one and you don't get that ass

2127
02:05:03.399 --> 02:05:06.760
and where you don't have what you
don't have the barb or the forty that's

2128
02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:11.359
gotten warms or whatever. Gross.
Yeah, So you know there's there's that

2129
02:05:11.720 --> 02:05:14.359
that goes a long way. Indeed, I think if they took those and

2130
02:05:14.479 --> 02:05:16.840
sold them in like basically like juice
box form, that'd be a lot easier.

2131
02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:19.239
I want to know a dumb store
to. I know we're about to

2132
02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:23.760
close, but I got a story
of hand grenades that's real gross. Okay.

2133
02:05:24.279 --> 02:05:27.319
So I was drinking Mickey's hand grenades
and plant. I used to do

2134
02:05:27.359 --> 02:05:29.960
a poker night at my place back
in college. So a bunch of my

2135
02:05:30.000 --> 02:05:32.479
friends were all sitting around a poker
table drinking hand grenades and stuff. And

2136
02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:38.720
so everyone's got the same looking bottle
bunch of hand grenades, and uh,

2137
02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:42.840
my friend Jared, uh, it's
choose, choose to back. And so

2138
02:05:43.479 --> 02:05:45.880
at one point, yeah I'm kind
of drunk plant poker, I reach back

2139
02:05:46.000 --> 02:05:49.920
to grab my my my hand grenaide. I take a big swig of it

2140
02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:55.960
and swallow it, and for a
split second I think it's like warm and

2141
02:05:56.079 --> 02:05:59.720
minty, like what the hell's going
on here? Like? And then instantly

2142
02:05:59.800 --> 02:06:01.319
I looked at Jared, and Jared
is looking at me with this look of

2143
02:06:01.399 --> 02:06:04.680
horror, and I immediately ran into
the sink and puked. Yeah, yeah,

2144
02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:09.720
yeah, you just I swallowed a
big thing at tobacco spit just triggered

2145
02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:13.039
my gag reflex and yeah, I
just I just hurling into the sink for

2146
02:06:13.079 --> 02:06:15.800
a long time. Yeah, yep, that's uh, I've seen that happen.

2147
02:06:16.039 --> 02:06:19.159
It's it's really gross. Yeah,
man, that's just straight up.

2148
02:06:19.319 --> 02:06:23.880
That's worse than just drinking a bunch
of normal spit. This is tobacco spit.

2149
02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:28.520
Yeah, worse than drinking a bunch
of normal spit. That's the Giant

2150
02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:30.279
Bomb Cast. This has been the
Giant Bomb Cast. Thank you for listening.

2151
02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:35.279
Jeff, you want to tell them
about the little uh No, that's

2152
02:06:35.399 --> 02:06:38.800
uh. Yeah, We've we've got
a sale going on the site, so

2153
02:06:38.880 --> 02:06:41.279
if you want to go to the
Giant Bomb dot com slash upgrade you can

2154
02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:45.199
get more details on that sale for
for new members. But also we've got

2155
02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.840
a survey happening. We signed up
with you know you heard the ads earlier,

2156
02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:55.680
probably uh And we signed up with
a new network that you know represents

2157
02:06:55.800 --> 02:06:58.880
us in an advertising capacity, which
is pretty cool because we get you know,

2158
02:06:59.079 --> 02:07:01.000
different ads than we you know,
have been getting. We kind of

2159
02:07:01.399 --> 02:07:03.760
get to branch out, spread our
wings. It's kind of fun for us

2160
02:07:03.800 --> 02:07:06.960
to mix it up and do weird
stuff, but they want to know more

2161
02:07:08.000 --> 02:07:11.079
about you, the listener, so
they can get out there and you know,

2162
02:07:11.199 --> 02:07:15.960
more effectively do their job and stuff. So we would appreciate it.

2163
02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:19.119
If you go to pods survey dot
com slash bomb, there's a little survey

2164
02:07:19.159 --> 02:07:21.760
you can fill out. You know, it's like it's like demographic stuff.

2165
02:07:21.800 --> 02:07:25.640
It's like how old are you,
what's your marital status, like the typical

2166
02:07:25.800 --> 02:07:29.479
survey type stuff. But if you
are willing to give them your email address,

2167
02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:34.239
which they say is not for commercial
purposes other than than you know,

2168
02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:40.000
this contest, you will be entered
to win a one hundred dollars Amazon gift

2169
02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:43.560
card, So you don't have to
give your email address out if you're not

2170
02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:45.520
into it, but go tell them
what other podcasts you listen to, and

2171
02:07:45.560 --> 02:07:50.600
if you've bought any apps or clothes
or food. I don't know, like

2172
02:07:50.880 --> 02:07:58.119
like appetizers, like no, like
like applications. Yeah, I think appetizers

2173
02:07:58.159 --> 02:08:01.800
would fall under food. Plus they're
still doing that whole like like all you

2174
02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:07.159
can eat apps thing. Oh yeah
yeah yeah apps and taps uh yeah,

2175
02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:09.239
so yeah. Pod survey dot com
slash bombs the address for that if you

2176
02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:11.199
if you don't mind go fill it
out. It would It would help them

2177
02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:16.079
out, which in turn helps us
out in some abstract way. So let

2178
02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:20.399
them know who you are. Cool. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

2179
02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:24.960
Thanks everybody on that note, thanks
for listening. Yeah. I think we'll

2180
02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:28.920
have Drew back next week. We'll
be back with a full length podcast next

2181
02:08:28.960 --> 02:08:35.720
week, assuming we all survived the
next seven days, which after today seems

2182
02:08:35.600 --> 02:08:41.119
highly dubious. I I just want
the gas. Yeah I don't. I

2183
02:08:41.159 --> 02:08:43.439
don't have any gas, man,
I'm sorry. Then I'm gonna slit your

2184
02:08:43.479 --> 02:09:07.279
goddamn throat crap. Fie Vice,
Fine, Vice