But I'm just flying through space, whatever you want to call it. And
next thing I know, I'm on the ship with a dozen gray aliens who
are in a circle right, And as I look closer, they're in a
circle, but they're over this square table that looks like it's clear, like
a clear table, and it looks at first like it's empty. But as
I get closer, I realize that they're remote. They're remote viewing like a
town in the United States. And as I look closer again, their eyes
they're following. Their eyes are important to this process for whatever reason they're they're
following these people. And the gray alien next to them picked up the person
from their field division, so they needed to do it as a group somehow,
maybe it was like a chorus. It made it stronger. It was
like a process, and they're I don't know if these beings are servers.
I don't know if they're humanoids. I don't know if they're half you know,
I don't know what they are. They're half organic and half not.
What was wild about that is that I'm looking at them. I'm so curious
about it. Then two of the gray aliens looked at me and they started
coming towards me, and I don't even know what I look like in the
holographic forum, right, I don't know what they're actually seeing. But I
was so scared I jumped out of it my first time that I stumbled upon
gray aliens doing something like you could think that we could learn from. If
our little eyes can do you know a tenth of what their big eyes can
do, maybe there's something there. Today, my guest is Tom Matt.
Tom, welcome to the show, brother, How are you. I'm doing
good, Thanks for having me. I've been listening to some of your interviews
this morning and the work that you're bringing to the table, and I already
know this is going to be a great talk. One of the reasons I
know is because the fact that you are a student and I can hear in
your voice that you're trying to get answers. You've experienced some things and you're
bringing that to the table, and the beautiful thing is you're asking questions.
One of my teachers said that you can't really trust people who come with all
the answers and they know it all, But you can trust the people who
are showing up asking questions. The people who claim to have the truth.
Don't don't ever trust those people, but the people who are seeking and searching
after the truth. You could put some stock in that. So I know
this is going to be a fun talk. Yeah, I like that.
I like that a lot, And that is absolutely true. This, uh,
my origin story, for lack of another word, happened a dozen years
ago. And while I've got some answers in the last twelve years, every
answer leads to more questions, me wanting to find out additional things. So,
yeah, do you want me to tell a little bit of my backstory?
How do you want to start? Well, actually, this is you,
what do you What do you think? I mean? Shoot, yeah,
I think it'd be I think it'd be good to kind of set it
up from the beginning, because you know, a lot of people are experiencing
that right now. So to kind of show where you came from, to
show where you are now definitely be be U a great way to start.
Let's do it. Let's do it. So, So the reason I'm here,
as you and I know, is that I have this ability to see
these holographic images that are everywhere around all of us. For whatever reason,
my brain has evolved or something has opened up for an ability to let me
literally turn my attention. I can sophomize, and I can focus, and
I see these holographic images. Not only can I see them, I can
interact with them. Not only that, but I went to the Ions Institute
in California and they hooked me up with an EEG machine and we measured the
brain waves. So there's a peer review study out there showing this is not
just an internal phenomena. Something out outside of me is happening. We'll come
back that in a minute. What was what happened though? How I got
this is about a dozen years ago, So I'm eleven years in recovery.
So I'm recovering. I did a bunch of drugs eleven years ago, and
when I did, actually I relapsed. I had five years sober. Right,
So I'm in my mid forties. Five years later, I pick up
again, late forties, successful business guy in Atlanta, have an advertising agency.
This time, when I picked up, something shifted in my brain.
Something changed in my brain. I started to have a thought. That thought
would turn into a belief, and no matter how ridiculous or bizarre that belief
is, I would believe it to be true. And then I would act
on it. It got so bad that I believed my business was upfront for
another business. I believe my kids were aliens. And I believed this so
much. This is funny. When you talk about people believing things, You're
like, well, how do you believe it? I believed it so much.
I walked down on my family. I walked out of my wife,
I walked out on a thriving business. Right, So I emptied my bank
account and I spent the next six months just flying around the globe looking for
answers because something was wrong and I didn't trust anybody. There's a huge paranoia
and that is associated with cocaine, so that's not too unusual. And to
be clear, again, I was recovering at it before, so this time
when I picked up something just something broke right, something got in or something.
You know, it was a complete collapse. Well six months later and
I wrote a book about this, by the way, it's called Jesus Goes
to Hollywood, A Memoir of Madness. We'll talk about that title in a
minute, because I think it's important and I don't usually talk about that on
these podcasts, but for this show, I think it makes a lot of
sense. Jesus goes to Hollywood a memoir of madness, and so I wrote
about this. I publish it in twenty twenty, right in the middle of
COVID pandemic. So I tell this story. The first two thirds is what
happened, and the last third is about when I started getting clean and sober.
Something happened to my brain again to see these holographic images and to interact
with him. So I was like, listen, if I can do this
extraordinary thing, and everyone knows I was psychotic and a drug addict, I
have to give up my addiction. There's nobody going to take me serious if
I'm still addicted and I'm claiming all these things. So I gave it up.
But to be clear, I wanted to give it up, you know
what I mean. I was at the end of my rope. I was
at the bottom of you know, the addiction, you're at the bottom.
I wanted to get back with my family. I knew something was wrong with
me. So over the years we did a lot of healing and the family
part of it. Success is great. Everyone's back together, the family,
My kids love me. It's wonderful that aside that's not aside. That's important.
I still wanted to find out what these images were because they were they
were extraordinary. So that's what I've done the last dozen years, and I
wanted And the funny thing is I stayed away from the New age stuff.
I stayed away from ufology. I stayed away maybe say the spiritual side.
I wanted to be taken serious by academic institutions like MIT, Harvard, anybody
had a neuroscience program. I was like, listen, you need to get
me in the lab. Something extraordinary is happening to my brain. And I
can do it on demand. I don't have to wait for it. I
don't have to get a certain vibe. And I know that we can measure
something ether it's in an fMRI or an EEG. Finally happened with ions.
So that's where we are now. And that's the backstory. So this excess
of drug use ended up in some type of mental psychosis, some type of
schizophrenia where you're believing anything that you're told one hundred percent, trying to make
sense of reality. Images are coming to you. I'm assuming from experience that
many of the images maybe that you were seeing at the time Were they unpleasant?
Were they? Yeah? Were they evil images like during that time of
this psychostry. So no, that that's a great question. It's funny too,
because in my book there were two literally two separate instances. Now I
was on drugs on both of them, so let's be clear about that.
I was, you know, I was psychotic. I was on drugs.
But I was run out of a hotel room. I went to a place
called, Oh, they sell Christian jewelry, James Avery. Right, I
happened to go to James Avery. I was beginning of the psychosis. I
was buying some jewelry. All these crosses are tough. I went back to
my hotel room. I did a bunch of drugs by the time, and
they actually had some posters, bizarrely enough, from a jewelry store. They
had these posters. Maybe they were advertising some of the things they were selling.
But by the end of the night, I had put these posters all
over the wall because I thought demons were trying to get me, all these
Christian posters. I put all these crosses on and I ran out of that
hotel room. I took everything, all this gold jewey, and I threw
it in a dumpster, right, literally thousands of dollars worth of gold.
The crazy part about that story is the and I threw my wallet away because
I thought it was possessed, right. The craziest part about that story is
the decency of the guy that picked up the garbage that day. He happened
to see my wallet when he dumped it in the back, and he brought
all this stuff to my wife. He said, I don't know why this
is here, but this is important you. I mean that to me was
in like one of those spiritual moments from another person getting involved. It happened
again when I was at a hotel in California where I looked at myself in
the mirror and I thought I was turning into a demon. And again I
completely left all my stuff and I and I and I left in the hotel.
They put that in storage. So there were two times where I thought
something was going on with my mind. One I was being chased out by
demons. The second time I thought I was turning into a demon. Now
this has not happened since I've gotten clean and sober. I want to be
clear about that. That said, and we can definitely take a deep dive
into this. I've seen many types of spiritual alien, any kind of beings
in the holographic form. Some of them are scary and some of them are
less so. And I will tell you one other anecdote about why the book
has called Jesus Goes to Hollywood. When I during the book, during the
when the time I had the psychosis, and even back then, I was
like it was in March. I said, I have to get clothing and
sober. So I checked myself into a Crossroads treatment center right, which is
in Antigua. It started by air clapped in black the year two thousand,
I think. So I check in there and I'm cleaning sober because obviously you
can't do drugs there. But there was a moment I knew I was still
having but I didn't know it. There were still psychotic thoughts. I had
this fruit cup drink right at the cafeteria. I walked outside and I spilt
this on the rocks and some of it again on my pants. I also
had a Bible in my other hand. Right, I opened up the Bible
passage and the Bible said something. This is paraphrasing. Some of your readers
or listeners may know this better, but said something about and the blood spilled
and splashed upon his pants, and I was like, oh, that's it,
I'm Jesus. You know. It was clearly a psychotic moment, but
when you're in that state, So there was like a couple of days where
I literally thought I was Jesus because of all these synchronistic moments. That was
one in a series of them. But that's a bye, by the way,
that's a very high bar. You do not want to be Jesus because
that's a very high Bardy keep. So after a while it kind of idea
faded away and my brain got healthier, and this filter, I call it
a filter, it started to mend or started to get back in place.
And I want to say two things too, because I'm sure somebody's thinking,
did you have as my computer does this? Did you haven't? I did
two MRIs right, there's no brain damage, there's no legions, there's no
tumors, and there's no damage from drug use. So we know there's nothing
wrong with my brain. Nothing neurologically, nothing pathological is wrong with me.
I've just developed this amazing ability. And the scientist from a clinicals perspective,
their only answer is something must have been rewired in your brain to give you
this ability. Now that's nice, but that's really not helpful, is it.
I mean, if you looked over here and you saw a holographic image
of anything, you would want more answers than that. And that's to your
point. That has been the mission I've been on the last ungeand years trying
to get answers. Well, I think we're on a similar mission. And
uh, and probably a lot of people listening I get I get a lot
of messages and I'm empathetic towards them because a lot of them are just what
you said, Hey I'm Jesus, Hey I am, and you know,
the archangel Michael sitting here for a mission. I get it a lot.
And it's the strange thing about it is that it's it seems to be increasing
post COVID and posts like going through these traumatic experiences, people push to a
breaking point of reality of what they thought was solid, you know, as
far as how life works. And you know, we're trying not to think
about death like we're like we're here trying to push like you know, the
spirit world and those things that are coming right death, you know, it's
but we've trying to occupy our time and our mind with other things that so
we don't have to think about it, and we've been forced to look at
it and think and think about those things. So people are asking deeper questions,
looking into near death experiences, what happens when we die, all of
these things, and so it's pushing people to you know, this kind of
breaking point, if you will. And so I'm getting a lot of those
messages that are psychosists that people are going through. I always tell people to
prove it, you know, like, hey, I'm Jesus, or I
can do this and travel to these realms and all this kind of stuff.
Okay, like prove it, like, hey, I'm people are write me
ask tell me to ask them questions. They know everything in the world.
Ask them a question, Okay, what was my father's brother's name? You
know, just something right off the custom that should be fairly easy, and
they can't. So it's this thing of like this narrative scenario that is,
like you said, a thousand percent real to them. But the outside doesn't
look like the inside. So if this is real, if you are,
how do we get the outside to look like the inside, especially where little
things are coming up that stood out to you because it's a part of your
story that all of these grandiose ideas are happening. Cool stuff. But now
I'm homeless and I've left my family, like and and and that's that's that's
one that happens with a lot of people experiencing the Messiah complex. The I'm
you know, it happens a lot. I have friends doing it, a
lot of stuff. So I want to I want to be able to share
your story, share my story, and also help these people for sure,
but help ourselves figure out what's going on. Obviously on a larger scale.
It's not just you, it's not just me. There's so many people,
and I think the number is increasing who are going through this stuff. Yeah,
I agree everything you said. Sense you covered a lot of things.
Let me let me take them one at a time. The ones say,
uh, let me take them one at a time. So I think the
first thing that comes to mind is the thought that people believe are getting messages.
So that tells me that I mean again, I've thought about this a
lot, like you have, Derek. I've thought about this a lot.
It's like, why would I believe something so ridiculous, and then the idea
because like, well, where do thoughts come from? So well, I
don't believe those things anymore. It made me think, Okay, everyone talks
about you're not your thoughts, right, but we still do not know where
thoughts come from. So the question is, maybe, even though I don't
think people are the Messiah or our angel Michael, maybe we need to start
looking about where things are coming into my our brains, and maybe they're on
a level that is below or like let's call it unconscious or subconscious. Maybe
we should start paying attention to that and wondering where these things are coming from,
because these are these ideas are not coming out of thin air, but
yet they are coming out of thin air, right, so like something is
happening, these we're turning into a frequency where we can pick it up.
So that's my first thing. So I think that speaks to doing more research
on where these ideas are coming from. Because you know, if you go
to a traditional therapist, they'll try to medicate you and say, don't listen
to those voices. Now, that's good, you don't want to think these
things, especially if you end up homeless. But It's only part of the
story, right, It's only part of the symptom. And why do we
have all this? Why do people need to think that what is missing from
our lives or we need to think that there's something missing. And if you
go to you know, if you go to AA Meeing's, it'll tell you
to do service work and stuff like that. And that's really great stuff too.
But I think there's another piece as well, and I think to your
point, we are approaching something right. Every time I just like you,
every time I get on a podcast like that, somebody reaches out to me
and says, wow, I can do something like you can. And you
know what the numb number one the through every thread of every story trauma.
Every single person has some kind of trauma associated with it, whether it's childhood,
whether it's addiction, whether it's family trauma, something they all have.
This is and then and then it gets worse because for whatever reason, because
people don't know what to do with this. It is an extraordinary thing.
And if you go to traditional medical health outlets, they're gonna, like I
said, medicate you where they're gonna say bipolar schizophrenia. Now, obviously those
things are out there, and people need to take care of those. But
there's something else happening with our world, our environment. If you want to
say a veil is being lifted so more people can see it, I'm okay
with that. I think we're approaching something. I think our environment is changing.
I think I don't care. I don't well, I mean I do,
obviously, whether it's climate change. Something is happening where more people are
plugged into this hidden bios for a hidden biosphere, an invisible biosphere. But
it's not gonna stay hidden. Are invisible for lungs. We're being connected to
it. Now. I know this from a visual perspective, because I can
see more than other people can see. There's a word that I looked I
learned a dozen years ago called umvel. It's spelled umwe lt. I think
it's pronounced umvel. It's a German word. It's a way of biological organisms.
Organism moves through environment. Now, you and I are humans. We
move through earth differently than say a worm, right, because we have more
senses. We all occupy earth, but a worm has different senses and sees
a lot less than we do. I'm starting to believe, and I have
for the while now that a while now that there are other creatures and beings
here that we can't see because our senses can't tune into them. I say
this because I see them. I see them holographically. So I think more
and more people are seeing more met Whether you want to call it an evolution
mutation, I don't know, but I know I'm hearing from people all over
the place. And yeah, yeah, so whether they're living or you want
to call them living, that's the discussion for science at another time, but
for this conversation, it is definitely an interesting piece that is part of what
I want to get answers for. Yeah, a couple of the places that
I definitely want to go with you is talking about being able to see this
stuff and then manifest it and then it actually becoming the reality. You know,
as far as like, hey, I'm a millionaire, okay, like
in the spirit world or in your imagination, Like how do you manifest a
million dollars? Right? Obviously there's a process to do it. Anyone can
do it right if they stuck to it and got a game plan. But
these visions and these things that are coming to people because we are antennas,
we are receivers for what though. That's what we're exploring, right, this
idea that pictures and images and all of these things are coming to you.
What do you do with them? What do you do with them? How
do you how do you make something out of it? And that's what we're
figuring out because people are starting to do it. And when it maybe ties
into the spiritual or New age community, when you're talking about the law of
attraction and these things, of these thoughts and these images coming to people or
either either they're coming to you or you project them out into the biosphere or
towards the sun or in the sunlight, or to the clouds. This is
the we don't know and then it reverberates and comes back to you. Are
you receiving these these messages or are you creating them? It almost seems like
this where there is a narrative that some we'll just say people want the masses
to believe of even with death. Maybe that's the thing too, This is
what happens when you die. This is the purpose of life to do that.
But when you start asking those deeper questions, it's almost sending a signal
or a beacon out there to the mass collective and we're all shifting together,
these these personal epiphanies and awakenings that we're having. It's not just us,
it's the entire planet. So it's almost like whether this is something that's breaking
or allowing you to see through the matrix whatever terminology where you know, the
veil is a great terminology actually to use. But as you're seeing it,
it's changing the narrative and more people are starting to experience question and believe a
different narrative that makes the old veil become thin and fall away. So there's
so much tied into it with whether it's group think, global brain as what
we can believe the majority. The more people I know, you've touched on
a little bit of all of this, the more people that believe it,
it can actually we can will it into our reality and it becomes our truth.
Whether that's happen, and it seems like somebody doesn't want that to happen,
So I know that's still a lot that's that's good and I and I
feel those things too. Let's be honest about that, especially with well,
let me talk. Let me talk about upside this this ability I have let
me let me describe it so people understand exactly what it is, and then
I'll tell you how I use it, how I experience it, And then
I'm going to tell you how we know. It's not just inside, it's
not just a product of my imagination. So upside vision is the ability to
see and interact with these holographic images that seem to be everywhere around us.
Right, So if I see actually and I let me tell you what people
what it looks like. I'm gonna give two examples, and I'm sure most
of people. If you've seen the Iron Man movie, there's a scene with
Tony Stark when he's in office. He can hey, he's got the hologram
of the universe around him, and he works and he works in that environment.
It looks like that. If you have not seen Iron Man, there's
a movie called The Queen's Gambit where the protagonist is laying on the bed and
she's looking at the ceiling and she can move the chess pieces around. They're
holographic, so she moves the chess pieces around. Both of those are good
examples. And then the Old Star Wars one where R two D two has
got the thing of Princess Leah giving instructions. The problem with that one is
they're not in full color. That I don't like to use that one because
it's not in full color. It's usually it's a color. It's a clear
color, let's call it, with a tint. It's usually some kind of
tint to it. So that's what I'm seeing now. Once and it could
be related to what we're talking about, but just as many times it's not.
So that's what's so. When I started doing it, I thought it
was like this precognitive thing that I was gonna win every horse races. I
thought it could pick winners in football games. I thought it was gonna win
a fortune. This does not care about that. This does not care about
that at all. In fact, it leads me away from it because it
will show me a whole race, Kentucky Derby race, and it won't pick
the winner, won't you know what I mean? It won't show me the
real thing will It's got a trickster element. So so anyway, once I
look at this, I could turn my attention, I soften my eyes,
and there it is now. Once I engage with it, right, I
can interact with it. So Let's say I turned my attention and there is
two kids throwing a frisbee. Now on, now, once I'm a part
of this, I can think change the frisbee into a football, and they're
throwing a football. So now I'm engaged with this thing. So it is
an eternal receiver, right, I'm receiving it and then I'm putting something back.
So now there's something going on that's extraordinary. And let's I want to
tell you three ways how we know. Well, by the way, it's
not a vivid's mind's eye, right, it's not good memory recall, and
it's not a vivid mind's eye. And those things are really important, and
those things are good, but it's not that. For example, if I
was driving a car and you and I are chatting, and you're in the
passenger seat and you're like, remember the Jaws poster, and I could drive
the car and I'd say, sure, I remember that and think about it.
If I'm doing this, I can't drive a car because I have to
pay attention. My eyes have to focus, So I could do it as
a passenger, but not as a driver. So that's number one. But
three things, So how do we know it's outside my brain. Number One,
my eyes get tired focusing on these images, just like your eyes get
tired looking in a movie or anything else. Number two, the pupils dilate
when I see something arousing or surprising. You cannot willfully dilate your pupils.
It has to be done by an external stimuli. And that's proven. You
know, there's tons of things proof on that. And number three, there's
another thing called smooth pursuit eye movements, when they can track your eyes,
like if you're watching something go across the savannah, like a gazelle, you
can track your eyes and if you're actually following it, your eye goes smoothly,
and if you're faking it, it jumps. You can't pretend your eyes
are tracking something. So these are ways we know it's external. Right,
And I think again, that's important because a lot of people and I've I've
hear it, and I get it. It's a It is a good question.
Are you sure it's not in your head? Well? No, but
yes, right no, But it's like it's like any other sense you're making.
You make a sound with your voice, my ears pick it up,
but I respond with a sound from my voice. So there's an engagement going
on. So that's that is what's happening with this, with whatever this is,
and I don't know what it is, and it can be meaningful.
I've learned that the images that keep coming back are meaningful if the other ones,
you know, the things that seem to come back are meaningful. The
ones that I can't bring back, they're just kind of a thought or meaningless
or whatever. And I have seen all kinds of stuff. I seen me
playing as a child. I've seen my kids in the back of my house
when they were children, so I've seen those things. Now I don't actually
think it's this very vivid, actual memory. I think it's some kind of
I don't know, some kind of I don't know, some kind of collective
memory or something, because it looks like my children. So that's what that's
kind of when I want to search for answers with with other people too,
the more if a bunch of us get together with this, I think we
can actually communicate. We can get to that in a minute. Yeah,
no, that's one of the things I wrote down that I wanted to talk
to you about, because you know, in this you know, sense of
practicing being able to practice with it. You know, me and my wife
have been trying to practice ESP and just you know, what is the science
behind it? You know? Is it to to think a thought? Is
it to look at the thing and transmitted? Is it to put do you
have to put your hand on the person? You know? In this form
of mentalism? But it actually works and it's not trickery. And and like
you said, it's one of the things where sometimes it works and other times
it doesn't. I think it works enough or this stuff is meaningful enough that
comes to you that it's there's some significance to it to make sense out of
it. I'm with you on on a couple of things on that track as
far as it being just you or in your imagination, there's things that and
I can put myself out there because I'm asking questions too. But other people
are experiencing this too, so there's no Messiah complex going on. I want
to destroy that. You could easily market this as you are the guru,
right, but no, this is stuff that obviously other people are experiencing and
have experienced to see these images in these just strange worlds within worlds if you
will, that maybe are more real than this realm that we're able to see
into catch glimpses into that other people can see it and are seeing fractals or
you know, dimensions of it. And and I think if you could learn
how I don't know about that, if you learn how to film it,
if you learn how to get it to appear, whether it's a shadow,
there there has to be a si, a scientific method you know, for
this. And I think that there that there were you know, I don't
think this is new. I think that I think this this is has been
hidden from us because it could be this place where there's infinite possibilities, infinite
timelines that you can get clear on. Think about and will it into your
now moment, into this timeline that we're communicating on right now. And and
that is not just in your head it, you know, because I've had
people say that as well, like you know, well, maybe God's just
showing you these things and it's just you who can see it. Say no,
I can record this on film, you know some of the things that
I'm seeing anyway, and I can show it in many cases and teach it
in a sense, because it has to have this idea of repeatability, especially
if you're going to try to practice it, Like, how do you practice
what is the practice of this supernatural phenomenon, mentalism or whatever it is that
we're experiencing. How to manifest or create from this realm of infinite possibilities.
That's one way of looking at it. What would you say to that?
Yeah, for sure? And the science behind it too. I want to
let's talk about that what ions did in ions noetics. There's two blog posts
if your listeners want to go do them about the science behind us. Just
google upside Vision ions and you'll find it. One is written by me and
it's called is Upside Vision a psychic Ability? And the other one is written
by one of the neuroscientists about the peer review paper. Right, And what's
really cool about it is the EEG waves are like my brain when I'm doing
upsite like the Outlet's talk about the alpha waves because that was the biggest difference.
Now. Alpha waves are are are the waves that come off your brain
when you're pretty much relaxed. So when I was just thinking about one of
the images they showed me, and they showed me an image, I would
think about it and use my memory recall and I would do that, and
then I would see it with upsite. When I was in Upsite during the
alpha wave straight state, it blew up like Rudolph's nose. It just went
off the charts. It did it in all the other waves too, but
the alpha wave was the most obvious, it was the most unambiguous. Well,
it was just you'll see if you see the blog posts, it's just
like this big blue blob, like almost like a storm's coming. What was
funny about that. I thought it was going to be the theta waves because
that's what are associated with dreams. So I'm sitting there going into it,
like, you know what, the theta waves is going to be off the
charts because it's kind of like dreaming and I'm seeing the things that people dream,
not the case. I mean, definitely they showed the difference, but
the alpha waves was the most. So that intrigued the scientists behind it too,
and obviously we wanted to do more science studies around the EEG waves.
But to your point about another type of technology seeing what you're talking about,
yeah, that's what my wife thinks. That's what my wife is so intrigued.
So she's like, you need to do this and you know, and
think about it. If there is some kind of technology. Again, I
don't have to be in a I don't have to wait for it to happen.
I could sit there, they could adjust whatever technology we use. I'm
like, okay, here's what I'm seeing. Are you getting it? You
know, we could kind of dial it in for lack of another words,
we could dial it in and see if we could come up. I don't
know what the technology is, but I think there's some things out there with
infrared, with flair, all these kind of things. Now to your point
about repeatability, you know, everyone says, can you teach this? I'm
like, I don't want to tell somebody I can teach something because I'm still
learning it. I'm starting to get comfortable with it. And to me,
it's like singing. I think everybody can do this to some degree. But
everybody is not Selene Deon, Everyone not Teller Swift, Everyone's not Frank Sinatra,
you know what I mean. Some people. Whatever I've I've got it
to some kind of nth degree. Now, I think if another person has
it like I do. Like I was saying earlier, I think if we're
in the same room, I truly believe we would be able to see the
same image because I do think it's outside of us. And I've got one
person I'm working with now. I don't know if we're going to get together
because kind of far away, but in time we will. And again,
I think that's one of the reasons I want to do this podcast. I
want to get people to come forward and say this because this woman said her
mind. She told this when she was kid her mom about it. She
goes, don't tell anyone that they'll think you're crazy. You know people,
and it makes sense. You don't want to be a odd ball freaking out.
And it's not only that, let's not kid ourselves. It is scary,
right. I've seen every horrible thing that one human being can do to
another in a holographic form. When it happens, I look away, just
like you'd look away from a video that was shocking. But on the flip
side, I've seen beautiful things that you couldn't even imagine. That's open up
your heart and soul. You're like wow, So so there's a lot.
That's a lot, But I do think I don't I think it's I think
it's part of this earthly realm. That's what I want to say. I
think this is a new thing for us to explore. And just like when
you would go into a jungle or a forest, humans would go in there,
all these creatures would look at them right and and some of them would
pay attention and look back, but some of them would completely ignore them.
The ones that look back when I'm when I'm doing this upside, those are
the ones that intrigue me because sometimes they're scary, you know, Sometimes there's
an interaction and sometimes I'm like, look, I don't I don't want to
be a part of this. So again, I think there's other people that
are way doing it. Whether they're government, I don't know. I think
other people do things that I don't know about. But I haven't been invited
to any of that studies or anything. I'm paving my own way, my
own way, at least I'm trying to. I had a conversation with a
young lady at one of our retreats that we hosted just the other day,
and she opened up really vulnerably in front of everybody and shared her story and
it's and I sent her your interview today and she was very intrigued, but
She shared about these experiences she had when she was a kid of almost what
seemed to be like an alien abduction, being taken aboard some type of ship,
being laid on a table, maybe being worked on or implants or something
like that, but also other experiences where she's ascending and going into a star
or sitting on a star. And it's very strange because in your interview today
I heard you mentioned like both of those scenarios. Another vision that she had
that was super realistic, that she was almost like teleported back and seeing her
living as Jesus walking on the beach and this really pure, beautiful energy that
was there. You know. So these weird night visions, if you will,
but they're more real than this realm. Some of them scary with alien
grays and being on the table, others of going into a star system.
She shared that, and and many people share those experiences with the realm that
I'm from. From more of a traditional Christian standpoint, people across the board
say those are demons. You need to pray shut it down immediately. It's
not good. What I represent is saying, hold on, we don't know,
you don't know that what if that's where we come from we're able to
and we're getting our DNA fixed. What if they're removing the trauma that this
world is causing and and we wasn't supposed to wake up and see what they
look like because we know they can appear as scary and it's not you know,
I'm not promoting any kind of like stuff like that, but it's just
to step back and not to judge it at first so that we can ask
questions. Because that's the deal. If you're in a scenario, even if
it's an elusive dream where none of it's literally happening, and you're going there
in this type of dimensional dream state and you don't panic, maybe the first
seventeen times you panic at you have the same And this is true with nightmares.
This is legit if you can poise yourself in the nightmare and not freak
out and stop running from the thing that's chasing you and stop and turn around
and say, hold on, who what are you to become lucid in the
dream? And now that now you're you're you're hacking it because the deceased relatives,
you can actually ask them questions. You can say, hold on,
I'm dreaming right now, let me go talk to the president, let me
go talk to the pharaoh. And the interesting thing is that people are bringing
back information. So with what the young lady is experiencing, what if this
is what's naturally she's experiencing and many people are experiencing. This is naturally what
people are have been writing about in holy books and in ancient tablets of these
so called psychic abilities or profits and seers of old being able to see what's
coming, or see behind behind the veil, or to will something and bring
it into this reality. Many places we can go with that, but I'll
let you take it. No, I think that's true. I think a
lot of people that anybody that says it's demons, go out of it,
you know, stop doing it. They're just that's what they've been told,
you know what I mean. And people hear that, But if you actually
had the experience, that's not the case. Sometimes well no it is the
case. But there's another part that keeps throwing you back. And I want
to say this to it. It's important. So before I was a Christian,
before I did this, I was a Christian. You know, you
sit there, well, do you think Jesus walked the Earth even more now,
even more now because I know how extraordinary this planet is and how extraordinary
God is. So it did not do anything to diminish my faith. In
fact, it made it stronger. Now. I'm not a really good Christian,
I don't going to church a lot, but I still have faith.
I still read the Bible, you know, and it did not at all.
And sometimes I see silhouettes and you know, of Jesus, and I
again, I'm just in awe. So so so let's talk about that.
You know, I think if you're taught to be afraid, you're going to
be afraid. If you if something happens to you, that's going to keep
from that. I don't know how you get past it. Faith something like
that. And if you don't want to look, that's your journey. Fine.
You know the bottom line, you know, do good love God like
love God with your whole body, mind and soul. That's the key.
Do no harm, don't do any harm. If you think somebody is saying
that they're seeing demons, that's fine. Let them do their thing because they're
on their own journey. I don't think that's the case. Again. I
think just like in five hundred years ago. They thought if we Columbus was
going to sail off the edge of the planet right because demons were over there.
Didn't happen. I think what we're seeing is something that's here on Earth.
Maybe it's what we thought some spiritual thing beings were five hundred years ago.
Maybe it's the same thing. Maybe that's another realm. I don't know,
but I think we need to look. And I think the reason I
think we need to look is because there's some things here that can help humanity.
I am drawn to this in a very positive way. Nobody will.
I am drawn to this like a calling, like a spiritual calling. I'm
supposed to build a team and connect people because we need to look here because
there are answers here that will help all of humanity connect in better ways.
You know, we've got AI over here, and people are scared of that.
I call this EI polutionary intelligence. There's something over here that is drawing
me that will help us. And that's what it feels that way. I
feel it in my heart. I feel it in my soul now when I
see the scary things, right, when I see these creatures that you read
about from aliens. A lot of times they'll just drift away. A lot
of times it's like this fake that it's like a it's like a mask and
it's and it's and it goes away. And there's another thing that happens too.
I'm tethered to God. I know, I've I feel my tether to
God. Let's call it a string for lack of another word. And I
know some of the some of the messages are so I know they're unfiltered,
and they're just amazing, you know what I mean, when you're in that
spiritual moment of bliss. But I also sometimes when I'm on that tether,
something can jump in and corrupt it with it like a corrupt file or a
corrupt message. So even though it's coming through this path that typically I think
is with God, you're like, wait, this is bs, this is
not good. And you know the Bible talks about Satan can get to you
the same way. So you know, you kind of built this filter,
this discernment. That's the word, right, And if it's if it's not
going to hurt anyone, if that's kind of a good sign, you know
what I mean, if it's gonna help everybody, not just most people,
but everybody. That's a good sign too. So I don't have it down
path, don't get me wrong, you know, I'm still working on it.
And and this is this is what I want to know. Where are
these Where are these holographic images coming from? Right, Derek? Where are
they coming from a spaceship? Are they coming from a black op government program
we know nothing about. Are they coming from future humans who've been able to
figure out how to send holographs to the past. Are they coming from part
of my DNA and know nothing about? Right? Are they coming from other
beings that live here there? I don't have any answer at all, and
that is really what I want to get. I think we can triangulate them
with the technology you're talking about, perhaps back to the source. Now that
would be mind blowing or would it be scary? Right? Could that be
another scary I don't know, but I want to try. Well, you
know, I think the answer is, which is not an answer. It's
all of those things. Yeah, good, No, all of those things
happening at the same time. And that's what makes it way more complicated if
you can because any of the just google any of those things you just said,
and you're gonna find schools of thought who said who say that it's only
those things? And what I found with religion and with God and with answers
when you move forward into this is the only thing or the only thing that's
happening that it is a government program that's sending voice of God technology and they're
putting thoughts in people's heads. There's people who they have one hundred percent chips
in that and that's the only thing that's happening in their reality. I'm not
saying that that that technology doesn't exist. They claim that it does, but
for that to be the only thing they learned it from something. So if
it is a government agency, they it's mimicked from a natural psychic phenomena that
has been here since since we got here, you know. And it would
be the same thing. For if you're saying that these things or these practices
are demonic, nothing is demonic. For what if it's a law or a
process of creating something or tapping in psychically energetically to somebody's what somebody's feeling,
putting thoughts in people's minds, whatever, they learned that from a place,
a place that was first good. So if demons or negative entities or negative
people. Negative entities that are controlling people or organizations can use it for evil,
then good people and good good entities can use it the same process for
good. Most of these things that we're talking about, these practices and stuff,
they're tools your imagination to renew your mind because you've said you've seen beautiful
things and grotesque things, like so, like, how do we lean more
maybe to that which is beautiful when you know that there's a distinction, or
not be scared. So these are the things that we have to bring to
the table and talk about so that we can have repeatability. It's with synchronicity,
is it? Is it? It's almost like, I don't know what
you want to call it, God, angels. Your psyche can only use
what you put in in there, like that what your consciousness understands from the
movies you've watched, because fear and that which is grotesque is different for me
and and you depending on the horror. I was a horror movie fanatic as
a kid, and I had nightmares. All kids have nightmares, I can
guarantee you they weren't like mine, you know, because of like at a
very young age, watching all of these crazy horror Now, my imagination has
a lot to choose from when it comes to show fear or show beauty.
Fear for some is falling off a bike in slow motion. Oh, it's
gonna hurt when I fall. For me, at a young age, it
was different. I learned how to lose a dream early because I wanted to
escape those nightmares that I was having that I allowed to come. So I
learned to work within some type of parameters of it being a thing. Hey,
I know I'm dreaming. I know there's a monster chasing me, and
I need to figure out how to wake up. I figured that out at
like before ten years old, from not reading any books any of that.
By hey, let me kill myself in my dream and I wake up and
it would happen. I didn't want to be captured by the monsters and torment
it. So I built a muscle to anytime I was having a dream that
wasn't pleasant to say, Okay, they're about to get you. You got
to wake up. And I couldn't wake up unless I killed myself, swam
to the bottom of the a river and drowned myself, or dove dove headfirst
into a rock usually and it would happen, and that was a practice,
so but it was used for evil. If you can go into the dream
and tap into it and know that you're dreaming, and how do we use
it for good? How do I go talk to somebody of some kind of
answer that I'm perplexed with in the waking hours. The studies that have shown
from people a lot smarter than me, that when you do face those fears
in the dream state, that you show that you've overcome obstacles in the when
you're when you're awake, and many times those dreams never, those nightmares never
come back. Once you stop running and you face it and you kind of
get learned the lesson, it becomes a practice like Okay, yeah, I
don't need to take that test anymore. So a lot of this stuff that
we're seeing and experiencing, we get to I think, we get to pick
what we want to lean into, because just like you, like we talking
about a million thoughts per moment that that you know of endless scenarios that we
can lean into, the ones that make us feel good, the one that
has the best outcome for everybody, the one that where nobody gets hurt.
This is what's what's happening obviously in your imagination, but it's different when you
see it in you're experiencing it like it's real, because there's a difference there.
Because this is something you talked about too that leans into all of this,
is that it comes with a feeling, a feeling that can be measured.
There's a reason why when you have those visions, it's your kids and
it's not just random people. There's a different feeling and emotion that is invoked
in your body that can be measured. That they can put EEG machines on
and test this, and you can there's all kinds of ways to test this.
This is where religion comes in the piece and all of this kind of
stuff. That it's a feeling that can be invoked in a person or a
people and can be harnessed and used as energy. Yeah, I know I'm
not. That's good. That's good. That's absolutely true. And then think
about this. The feeling was so this these non human intelligences that seem to
be around us. Right, this woman that you talked about who had chose
abducted, perhaps I was never abducted. There was no there's no part of
my story where I felt like I was taken out of a room or anything
like that. But but but but looking back, I feel like I may
have been coheresd to le the family because I needed to be separated from them
and spend a month on Saint John's for some reason. There's a chapter in
my book where I built I literally built a map of a galaxy in their
room using ropes, strings, clothes. I drew pictures all hanging from a
fan that the cleaning people were like, stay out of this crazy man's room,
Just stay out of there. And I was, you know again again
this time I was high a lot, but I was just doing something and
I don't know why I had to be away from the kids. So in
the family, that's what it. I mean, looking back, that seems
to us when I was there, I was really sad. I was depressed.
I was all these things. But something was changing inside of me,
and so the feeling. So think about this. So now let's say it's
a guy. Something happened where I had to go through this and everything break
so I could get my feelings back and realize that, Okay, you know
what, that's not a true thought, that's a feeling but I don't have
to own that feeling, you know what I mean? That's a lot.
This message is coming in this way, but I know it's bs and and
again. So when you feel like it's kind of weird to say this,
but there's ten ways to be sad, there's ten ways to feel joy.
You know. That's how nuanced it is now. It's like almost I developed
this, this feelings filter, that's that's been amplified. I think people with
autism might have something like this, you know what I mean, They can't
there, they get over stimulated. Something like that may have happened to me.
I don't know, though, you know, but I know this.
My brain is different from where it started and where it is now. And
you talked about fractals earlier. When I came out of this, I was
obsessed with maths because there's no shape, topological space, manifold that I cannot
see in my field of vision and dissect and cut up. And it's extraordinary.
It is extraordinary. I've built this multi dimensional coordinate system that puts the
Cartesian coordinate system to shame. It is so complex. The math on it
is pretty basic undergraduate math, but the system itself is complex. Why was
I Why was I driven to create this thing? And it took years to
build it. It was like a gamification thing where I couldn't get to the
next level of this thing until I got this one right. Then it was
the next one, and then it was the next one. Finally, a
couple of years ago, I was done and I was like and he literally
physically, I was like, Wow, this is done. Now what I
haven't built it in real life. I have not created a software around it.
I'm very seriously thinking about doing it because it is next level cool.
But but there was a guy and then I'll be quite a minute, a
guy named Tenant, who was he was a Tenant, maybe Jeffrey Tennant.
He was knocked out, he was mugged. When he woke up, he
saw these fractals everywhere, you know, he just saw fractals. I think
I had this. I have something like that happened to me. But it
was fractals and beyond, you know what I mean. It's not just that
I see the images of the people. It's almost like he knocked on the
windshield and cracked. I knocked on the windshield and it broke through. Something
like that. Maybe so the the idea of what you're vibing in and what
you're putting out there. You know, there's there's the what's the word?
If you what's it? Just it's a bland feeling, you know what I
mean, just kind of facts, right, It's just the basic math has
got no feelings. It just is right. And that's interesting because a lot
of the stuff I want to do is got no feeling. It's just something
that is. I want to see it because I'm curious and it's interesting to
my brain. Now, sure it intrigues me and there's a curiosity around it,
so I certainly that's a feeling. But but anyway, I'll stop on
that one. H Man, It's so many places to go. But like
you said, it feel like you're so you say you feel like it's it's
your calling, right, this is your calling. So a calling denotes that
someone is calling out to you. And I think it's the you know,
getting to the bottom of who or what. And maybe it's not even just
one thing, you know, maybe there are bad things calling us. Obviously
it seems easier to hear their voices. Maybe to hear those voices, all
we gotta do is turn on the television, you know, and maybe it
is separating yourself and turning the television off that you can get clear on the
still small voice that is speaking as well, which obviously is you know,
biblically, always Jesus speaking amongst the crowd. That's always the voice of reason,
the voice of love, the voice of hope that I think if we
listen close enough, we can hear it. So when it comes to people
having these same experiences, you know, we can. We can choose what
voices we obey. You know, I'm hearing voices. What are they telling
you? What are they telling you? You know, saying if it's God,
God told me this, God told me that. Okay, what told
you? What? Good? Bad? You know? Told you you are
the Messiah that come on. Like we got to look at the fruit of
it to see if if you should lean into it or if you should stop
listening. And by voice we can just say imagination, you know, it's
showing itself to you. However, I mean, I'm getting these messages like
in my inbox from people all the time. Somebody asked me just three days
ago, uh, do you have any videos on schizophrenia in the spirit world?
So well, I don't have any any directly about that, but I've
talked about it in many episodes, right, but there's no you know,
blog or just video to it. But I told them this, and maybe
you can attest a little bit that what I've seen from starting out in a
psychosist that was in the negative. I'll say that my introduction to this was
witchcraft, which it wasn't drugs like I smoked pot or whatever. But I
was a teenager doing witchcraft and seance ritual, was trying to open myself up
to demonic forces or any force outside of myself. And it happened that I
was taking into portals and showing crazy stuff at their will. I couldn't turn
it off and on. It was always scary, crazy swirls, shapes,
faces, seventeen voices at once talking to me, I would go pale.
I would fall into a trance and this would happen at fifteen and it was
torment. I was going schizophrenic. I opened up some kind of gateway communication
portal that I couldn't close, so psychic abilities from zero two one thousand,
not even one hundred, I knew everybody's thoughts in a room walking to a
room, Oh my, And it's so overwhelming that I couldn't look at anybody.
I knew what they were thinking, I knew what they did. I
knew what you had for dinner. I knew you just got into it with
your husband in walking into a McDonald's. This was like psychosist that I was
at rock bottom at fifteen years old by making covenants with demons, if you
will. And so I got into church. I repented. You know,
my health started to go downhill and all this kind of stuff. I got
my life back on track. Took a long time, long, hard road
to retrain my brain. But let me let me just hang out here a
little bit in that psychosis. Let me give you a few more things believing
a thousand percent scenarios were real. The one thing that I talked about was
what I called the spirit of hypochondria. Was that any ailment that I heard
on the television through the waves, just channel surfing, and I remember just
a couple vividly brain cancer like someone said it on television, and I believed
that a thousand percent as soon as they said, oh I got brain cancer.
Oh man. Another one was testicular cancer. Like all of these from
someone else saying it, and it stuck to me like glue, and it
was negative and it was like this overwhelming I'm gonna die of brain cancer.
I've got it, I know it. That's why that pain is in my
head. And it was just at will you would hear it, and there
was like no defense. There was no wall of reasoning to block it out
or to say, come on, that guy has it not you? You
know this kind of thing, and so it was. It was, I
mean, that's what a hypochondriact is. There was nothing in my brain to
block it out, to reason it. And while I was in that psychosis
for the period of time I was in, it was all scary dark stuff.
It was, you know, visions of my death and demons were coming
to get me and all of that kind of stuff that people experience on meth
binges and stuff like that. You know. I say all that to say
that was if I had a chart, which I do, you know,
maybe we all start out at zero. And let's say I got to that
place at negative three. Me tapping into this stuff that I was looking into
put me at level negative three. So I'm already three steps back into the
dark side, into the the you know, the negative side, experiencing all
of this crazy stuff. And then now that was over twenty years ago,
removed. I'm in a beautiful state of mind and life and God and Christ
and that which is good and fixing myself and trying my best to help others.
Like now, but the psychosis is back. The psychosis is still.
It's back, like I trained to get it, to get it out,
but it's here now. I experienced synchronicity. I experienced the beautiful side of
it, where not God and the demons or trying to get me no,
but that they are real and they're here to help me. They're here to
you know, signs and symbols. See signs everywhere you say something and then
the television repeats it like that was happening in the negative psychosis. But it
was like you're gonna die, you got cancer. It was all demonic lower
stuff. Now it's like, hey, call your mother, Hey, ask
this person to forgive you, Hey, do this, Like it's all beautiful
things that everybody. Not so many people are experiencing secrenicities at an all time
high. The numbers that are sticking out to you, all of this stuff.
It's happening. But so what I'm suggesting is that what was available for
me just at my meter at negative three, and then I work my way
back to zero and now I'm working up into tapping into this stuff the good
way that they come circle. So those same type of psychosis that you're in
because you're you're experiencing a reality that that nobody else is. You think now
you it's the difference between paranoia and pronoia. That's that's literally it. Paranoia
is that God, the universe is out to get you. Everyone is out
to get you. And if you think that, you believe it, you
dwell upon it. It becomes your reality. And now pronoia is God,
the universe, everything is here to assist and to help us in this journey.
Yeah, not Messiah complex. We're like, no, no, no,
not at all there for me. But but yeah, so we're experiencing
this stuff and obviously it can be experienced for good energy or for bad.
And you know, the balance is the key to not drink your own kool
aid, which is turns into the Messiah complex. But those types of psychic
abilities, if you will esp precognition, prophetic dreams, A lot of the
stuff. You're talking about being able to see, Like, I am friends
with so many people and have been a part of communities that practice it that
way. But they look at people and they get the messages and they see
snakes around the feet, chains on their shoulders that are heavy, and so
they pray for them or go and even remove it off of them, like
spiritually reach out and grab it and take the chains off and throw it down,
and then the person starts crying and they can feel it. It's like,
hold on, there's something to these dreams and visions that are in the
spirit world that represents something in the physical. Yeah, that was great.
That was a great description of the paranoid of the pronoid. And that's yeah,
and that's my story too, no kidding, that's literally my story too,
because that's why I walk down to the family. That's why I walk
down in the business, because I was paranoid, and I believe just like
you some thought it, you believe it, you take action on it.
Now these things and then I write about this instance in the book, an
instance of synchronicity that was so mind blowing that I fell to my knees because
I was listening to the song Blinded by the Light by Bruce Springsteen. Right,
I'm listening to the song, and every piece of everything around me was
related to the song. So imagine like you used to have to block a
movie to get the moments and the song. So the beats hit and stuff.
This happened like for like thirty seconds of the song. Everything that happened
to. Truck drove by with something on the side related to the song.
A man literally picked up something put over shoulder. I was almost in tears,
and I thought people at then, I thought people were making fun of
me and mocking me, like anybody can watch me, and they're making fun
of me, and with these powerful people are beings. Now I look back,
I'm like, hold on, that was a sign to let you know,
forget paranoia. There's a way the universe can help you. I'm showing
you this now because you only it's almost like we're kind of dumb, like
a dumb animal. Right, you need to see the negative to understand that
there's a flip side of that too. But like you, the universe is
definitely showing me things. Now do I want to pay attention to those things?
That's the key? Am I open enough? Do I trust myself enough
to trust the universe that's going to give me. What is it? My
need is a god's need. I don't know if it feels right. You
know, I do think we have free will. I do. I think
we have free will. And all of us have different parameters. Where some
of us are. You know, we'll do more things bad than others,
however we want to do. Some people do more good. Some people will
volunteer more. Some people have more business sense, some people are smarter,
stronger. But but we have free will. And if there's somebody listening to
this, I want to say this right now because it's important. If you're
at a bottom and you're listening to the show to get some guidance, I'm
telling you you can come back. If you are at a negative three and
you're outside of psych ward and you're taking ahead of math right now, there
is a way back, and you can put it down and you can get
clean, and you can build back to things and it can be better.
Whether you believe it or not, I'm telling you it's true. If it
happened for me, it can happen for you. Because I didn't think there
was going to be a way back. You know I did not. I
think I mean not only drug addict, but psychotic drug addict. Sure,
And I'm cleaning sober, and I have these amazing thoughts. You know again,
you just said a great description. The universe is helping me. It's
connected us, Derek. The universe, for whatever reason, is connected us.
And you said some things that I needed to hear to say today,
which we're good. I love the way you put it. And I'm talking
to somebody else. This is what's so funny about the connection. I'm literally
talking to somebody else about synchro in the city. I have a phone call
with them, a zoom call with them tomorrow to talk about the same time
thing. We're like, how can the universe could be guiding us to this
path? It seems like should we trust this? It's like why not?
Why not trust? The good things are going to happen, you know?
But last absolutely is nobody again, do no harm, don't hurt you know
what I mean? The love thing, right, don't don't. It's like
the universe is telling me to steal this money because no, it's not that's
not that's not right. That's probably not a good thing to do. So
yeah, that was good. That was good, and I think let me
let me ask you this, so I know you gave the scenario for the
song that you heard that was like you interpreted as you know, an attack
or this you know, mockery or that it was negative you know when you
started. Now are you having those experiences now where the song or the television
or whatever is telling you this time message is like, hey, I'm on
the right track. This is like encouraging now and this is bringing me peace
or a tear to my eye, letting me know that I'm you know whatever,
loved by God through Yes. So let's let's I'm gonna do the most
literal simple thing. So let's just sit and sitting there, God give me
a sign. Let's se if I want to get this direct, God give
me a sign that I should, I should do something. And then literally
there will be a truck or a billboard that says, God says, follow
your dreams, just do it. Yeah, exactly right right then in that
moment. And it can even be that's a broad one. It could be
so specific, you know, it should it would be something should I let's
say about specific. Should I go see my son and I'll think of his
name tomorrow and there'll be a billboard with his name on it and says said,
you know something like that. It's that specific. So I totally believe
it, and I do believe it's God, the universe guide to me.
I don't believe it. I know it because I see it and I feel
it. That's the key. I feel it. There's extra physical that we
are connected to the people's skeptics and and you know whatever, skeptics don't want
to believe in. But it's nonsense. It's like, it's nonsense. You
did it's nonsense. I don't know, it's just it is nonsense. There's
so much more come on. It's almost like it's these people that say this.
Here, I'll use this example. They're like, well, how can
you be getting these things from the universe. Listen, we have radio waves,
Wi Fi, Bluetooth going through the universe from one technology to another.
Right when it's traveling, you don't see it. When it lands you,
it's interpreted. We are picking up these signals from the universe, and I
don't again, I don't know where they're coming from. Some are good,
some are bad, Some may be man made, some may be non human
intelligence. Some may be God. But it's kind of fun when it happens
where I am now, it's fun. It was not fun twelve years ago.
I can promise you that being on this journey feels good because I know
I'm doing it for the right reasons. You know, I'm and again,
it's just right. What's that there's not enough hours in the day, right,
right? Exactly? I want. I know people have upsight vision to
some degree, they have the psychic ability, and I don't want to be
afraid of it. And yeah, that's it again, that's what That's what
I want to say. That's why I wanted to talk to And there's science
behind it too. That's the other thing for the skeptics. There's science behind
it. It's not just something I think think I'm doing. I'm absolutely doing
it. I went to ions, they did it, and more tests can
be done, you know. I want to get a bigger data set.
I want to get twelve off, maybe not twelve, a handful of us
out there, and then I think other universities are going to want to read.
Imagine once this is out there, another university is gonna say, okay,
let's duplicate this in another lab. Sign me up, find me to
France, put me in up in a five star hotel and send me to
your lab and I'll do this all day long. Yeah, there's a lot
of beautiful things that you've brought to the table. And what people are,
you know, bringing to the table because of your work, because you're having
the conversation and bringing and bringing different pieces of the puzzle. And that's the
beautiful thing. And I think that you know, I mean, you've you've
already you've already done it for me, you know, listening to you speak
and hopefully vice versa. Well, let me let me let me say this
so again with like being able to practice, that's a that's a big thing.
I'm seeing that consistency. Like I'm a student of the Bible. That's
my that's my book, you know. But I read all the Holy Text
and I find the similarities and they're all saying the same thing, just using
different languages. It is what it is. But there's these instances where these
miracle workers are trained up on how to do something. And it's a miracle
because the science isn't understood by the masses. It is a person who has
separated themselves Moses goes into the desert. God comes to him, speaks to
him, begins to train him and talk to him through everything around him,
and he trains him on how to do certain things, how to move water,
how to hit rocks, and to do like to work with energy and
spirits. Right. But one of those things about that is that he allowed
him to practice because there was there was an instance in an Exodus where God
tells Moses to take a staff, throw it at the ground, and I'm
going to teach you how to turn your staff into a serpent or a dragon,
That's what it says. So he throws it at the ground, and
his staff becomes this serpent, and it it morphs, and it changes forms,
and it scares the heck out of Mosus so much so that he runs
away screaming. This is what the Bible says. He runs away screaming,
oh my God, this little man like we don't know if it was a
three foot tall reptilian being he summoned, or literally a little dragon or a
snake or whatever. There's some crocodile, but it scared him so much so
that he ran. God comes to him, speaks to him, says,
hey, I need you to do this again, because what I'm training you
for You're not going to be able to run. You need to stay in
your ground and make eye contact with the people who claim to be the best
magicians of you know, in the land, which was Pharaoh. I'm training
you so that when you're doing this in front of Pharaoh, you can look
him dead in the eye. Throw your staff down. It turns into this
little dragon and you don't even battery. Everybody's freaked out, but you're confident.
I want you to. I want you to work with this in private
so that I can show my power in you in the public right. So
that denotes this universal principle that God is teaching his children these things, and
it's also given them the permission to fail and practice so that they can get
better at it. With these little church groups and functions that I used to
go to were training and the prophetic, and there was many exercises that they
developed and that we would do, and that they wrote books on it,
and they tried it because sometimes it would work, other times it wouldn't.
But those who were willing to practice and had the grace to mess up and
not be judged or condemned to beat up about it. They could try it
again and say, Okay, that didn't work that time, and let me
try it this way. Maybe as I have to see it, actually see
it, and then maybe I have to generate a feeling, and then the
feeling gives it life. I don't know, but they would be able to
do little things as far as like go two people would go park at different
places in the city and they would have to kind of remote view and see
the image where their friend was and drive in their vehicle to go to the
location to find them. And they would show up at a park or they
would see things around and they would get good at it. And these were
Christians. This is something that was pastors and ministers were doing because they read
about Jesus and Moses and the disciples operating in such gifts if you will,
that they thought that they can do it, and they got good at it.
So this practicing is something that needs to be done, and I think
we can look back at those examples and try it today. So I wanted
to try something out with you and with the listeners. People listening, people
driving uh, sitting around wherever they are. I am thinking of a number
between one and nine. It's a single digit number. I'm looking at it,
I'm saying it to myself, and it's okay to mess up. It's
okay to get it wrong. But what I would ask is what number do
you see? The first thing you either heard or saw, because just as
you're seeing this right, other people can hear it, and then other people
have to close their eyes and they see this number. Do you have?
Do you want to take a shot? Yeah? Nine, that's why shot
nine. Okay, it wasn't nine, it wasn't nine. But it's okay
to mess up because that's how we practice. Yeah, So can I talk
about that? Can I say something about that? Because you have the number
the numbers too, I don't know. We're trying to get the science.
Let's talk about that a big deal. So I'm glad you did this.
I'm so glad you did this because I get asked about this all the time,
and I even do try to do it with my wife and we get
sometimes that we don't. And again, I saw the number nine. I
didn't even see I kind of, I mean, I don't get me.
I tried to dial in with you, but I saw the number nine.
I don't know why it will work and why it won't. I do know
this. It seems to work better if I am in a physical location with
them, or maybe if it's rubbed off even some kind of contact with them.
I'm gonna tell this story. The other day. I was in an
office building with a guy who wanted to learn about this, and we were
going to the office and he goes, can you do an example of upsite
vision. I said, I'll do it, but it's gonna be meaningless.
I mean, I said, it's more likely you're not gonna understand what's going
on and you're just gonna say, well, that's weird. But I will
do it to show you what it is. Right, So I did it.
I turned my head and I'm like, okay, this is what I'm
seeing. And I told him I was seeing a brand new sports car on
the showroom floor and I'm like, look, I don't know what it means.
It means nothing to me. He literally pulls out his phone and he
says, I just bought a sports car. See, so I don't know.
I'm not I have not practiced that ability. Because I haven't practiced I
play with it, so there's difference between practicing and playing. I play with
that. I play with pre COG, I play with remote viewing, I
play with tempath, play with tempathy, telepathy and all those things. I
play with those things. But my goal is I don't play with upsight because
I can do it so specifically. I can do that one of the time.
As it relates to those other abilities, it's less so. So my
my thing is, let's study exactly what this is and then we can apply
it to remote viewing, then we can apply it telepathy. That's where that's
where I am. And I obviously I thought about this a lot. You
know, I think remote view, remote view. Of course, it's real.
Of course it's real. How can it not be real? I mean,
nobody make I mean, do you think it was just some imagination?
These people doing it? You think the government is you know, paying,
I don't know who they're doing with. Some guys in the army or in
the CAIA where they're they're doing this because it doesn't work. No, they're
doing it because it works. Other countries know this. They just don't talk
about it because it's probably smarter to not talk about it from the military perspective,
and it's probably smarter to everyone thinks it's not you know what I mean,
it's not. You can't do it because they want to keep it a
secret. And even the same thing with religions, Derek, you know these
religions. Imagine if the religious leaders, I mean Jesus talked about this,
they're bad, right? Were all the congregants to know that the leaders are
bad. I'm not saying they are, but it's like the worst thing they
want. So I don't know, it's it's I don't know. It's interesting.
So you have to be able to fail. You have to be able
to fail. And I love the way you looked at that, and I
love that we did it. Let's do another thing I wanted. Can I
do something? Yeah? Yeah, all right, okay, so all right,
great, let's do this. I'm gonna do an upside vision right now,
and I'm going to describe it to you right so, for whoever's listening,
driving in a car or at home, whatever, I'm going to relate
to this, it may relate to what we're talking, Derek and I are
talking about, but in fact may relate to you sitting at home in the
kitchen table, watching your child play with blocks and If it does, you
can say, wow, that was amazing, and if it doesn't, no
big deal. So here we go. I'm going to tell you what I'm
seeing right now with upside vision. It is, in fact, it's it's
a it's not a race car. It's a drag racer. You know those
drag racers, the short ones. It's a drag race that's literally what I'm
saying. One of those pointy drag racing cars. And it's got it's up
on its back wheel and the back wheels are spinning. That's it now.
Obviously that was probably suggested on my part when I was talking about the other
sports car, which was not a drag race car, was a car,
you know, for the street. But so I don't know what it means
right, I don't know if somebody actually can you imagine if somebody's listening to
this literally working on drag race car, they're gonna be like, holy shit,
that's I mean, that's just wild. So let us know in the
comments. Yeah, for sure, if it's happening anything to anyone, or
even if you're thinking, if you were thinking, I mean, if you
were thinking I'm going to do this this weekend or something or talking to a
loved one about it. It's just wild how this works. It's a connection
to something and it's to show us there's so much more than this physical realm,
and it's important and it's meaningful and it can help us navigate life and
make it easier for us and our loved ones. That's the key, man,
That is the key. Life is hard. I mean, life is
hard, you know, and it's getting harder. It's just it's hard.
So anything that can make take a little bit easier, I'm all for it,
you know. I again with with the Bible stuff or you know,
spirituality and things like that, I really teach on divination, but from a
biblical sense mainly. I use that word a lot because there's a shock value
to it because people, you know, have been taught to demonize divination because
demons are the first thing that come to them. But prayer is a form
of divination, fasting doing something in the physical or perceiving something in the in
the physical to get results from the spirit world, including God and angels.
I mean, that's the that's the definition of of divination, as one who
is able to divine, even a watered uh diviner, a person is able
to use their body and tell where water is, even underground, divining rods
where they're trained to use these rods and the rods move a certain type of
way. Literally people able to find water underground. So divine. But there's
so many amazing like so many ways that are in the Bible, but also
every other ancient text and practice as well. Talk about some really cool stuff.
But I define it in a sense where it's the sense of God is
always talking. You're just getting good at hearing the voice of God that is
speaking through everything or through the different languages. There's a saying that says nothing
cannot not communicate. Nothing cannot not communicate, which implies everything is always communicating.
It's saying something your ability to speak the language and to hear because it
is one of your words. Nonverbal. It is nonverbal communication because it doesn't
speak English, or it doesn't use words. It uses thoughts, impressions.
Ideas babies communicate. They don't use words. They cry. You talked about
it. One of your visions. You kept seeing a wheel fall off on
a shopping cart. Squeaky. The squeaky wheel is communicating it needs oil or
it's going to fall to fall off your Your stomach communicates and lets you know
when it's such rumbling that it's it's hungry. Everything is always communicating through vibration,
which which words are vibration, So it's learning how to interpret and speak
the language that uses no words. This is something that is very ancient that
we have forgotten about that it's obviously coming back in one shape or form that
something's this is what I say about synchronicity. Something is trying to get our
attention. Something or some one agreed. Do you still have that ability to
to know if sony enters a room whether they're bad or good or do you
still have that? Yeah? But it's a there's levels to it because some
people are great at masking if they're bad or good. There's a certain you
know, energy that we can read that even children can pick up right that
people like children just are scared or repulsed by certain people, and people don't
know why you're able to pick up something. But what I'm learning now now
forty years into this life, is that there's people that are good at masking
that energy and not not allowing you to see that they're bad because you like
being like a good judge of character for just a common thing. Yeah,
but a good a good evil person who's good at it. You know that
you're bad, you know, No, it's fine. The reason I thought
about that when you were telling about McDonald's, you to say all the thoughts
were coming at you. Since I've come out of this, it's not a
thought, it's it's a feeling. It's almost like a smell. It's not
a smell either, but you get what my point is. I've had come
across two people who have been in my presence that I knew they were evil
and have done They've murdered people. I had a guy sitting next to me
at an AA meeting and I was like, and this guy was talking like,
oh I love this. I'm like, this guy is literally there might
even be a body in his car. He was so evil, right,
he was saying this other thing. And another time I was at a GNC
and the man that was helping me, I was like, this was a
different he was. I don't know if he was like a child molester or
he had somebody same kind of things. He was doing evil things, and
those both terrified me. And I've told my wife that every time it happens,
which has only happened twice two times in a dozen years. And she's
like, Tom, you need to think about that. That's pretty good statistics
that people are good. You know, You've come across a lot of people
in twelve years. And I like the way she thinks about it. But
my point is that ability is scary because what can you do with that,
you know, because I don't know. You know, it's not like you
want to get You're not going to go to the cops and say, this
guy's sitting next to me, I think he killed people. No, they're
not going to do anything. It's just weird. And it was so fleeting
too, it's like you to follow up on it. But I was wondering
if you have that ability still, yeah, for sure, And I'm with
you. It's like, okay, what do we you know, what do
we do with it? And with things that you don't know how or what
to do with it? So the easy thing or the first thing that because
a lot of people get that and you don't know what to do with it,
do you confront them whatever the case is. You know, we're you
know, we were taught to pray for them first of all, like pray
for them, or pray for the victim, pray for the people to start,
just just start there, because that that prayer is is you know,
it's invoking something in you. So when when you're praying, then you may
get more because we're all getting these We're all getting these feelings. I'll tell
you right now, Like a lot of things that Elon Musk is doing I
thought about as a child. Stuff that he's doing, neurolink, all this
kind of stuff like being able to put helmets on and have the same dreams
and go into each other's visions. Like we've been seeing this stuff as a
child. So it's it's in the air, this energy, this information.
Some people call it the Acostic and the Bible. It's called the Book of
Life. It's it records the deeds and every thought and every infinite possibilities exist
that we can that that trickles down to us and we can pick up on
these thoughts and energies and information. It's I'm experiencing it right now in a
form where like it was kind of scary because I know all of this wild
ancient wisdom of how the spirit realm works, and I study this stuff and
I'm into it and it's my life. But it shifted and took like a
a crazy turn, probably almost two years ago now where it like it got
real, like it's all beautiful though, and I'm just writing and writing and
writing and stuff. It's just pouring out of me. It's a form of
like automatic writing, but it's insights on the Bible and so much ancient text,
and it's a form of psychosis because now here I am, I don't
have I can't cite sources to me as the experiencer. I'm making it up.
And I gotta be honest with myself on how I feel. I believe
it one thousand percent. It's all good. But I'm like, man,
how do I what's going on? Because at first the energy to experience it
like what's happening was insane. And then I got all of these cool things.
I don't know what to do with it. They're just a part of
you know, God is teaching me. I'll just leave it to that,
the angels, whatever. But eventually I started to be able to figure out
where the stuff was coming from. I thought, I literally thought I was
making all of this stuff up. So there was a lack of confidence with
me sharing any of this as truth, because I'm just these concepts I've come
up with. I was led to and am continually being led to philosophers,
ancient mystics, most of them ancient Christians who were around in the seventeen hundreds
fifteen hundreds, who wrote books on all of this stuff, but died with
their work, and they died with it, and nobody was around to carry
the torch to bring it further. And then you come into alignment with Okay,
we've been teaching you, we've been guiding you, and you're now ready
for the next steps. And when the student is ready, the teacher appears.
I'm telling you all of these crazy things that I have been writing about.
I have been able to cite the sources and honor the vessel who brought
it as far as they did. I've got their names, I've got their
books, all of this stuff. And the first one was so crazy that
I cracked the book open and read just two or three pages before I went
to bed one night and put the book beside my bed, and I didn't
touch it for months. I'm a slow reader. And then I'm as I
finally picked the book back up months later everything that I wrote was in the
next four chapters that I ended Ancient Christianity by Annie Bassan, and I'm like,
my god, oh, and then now it's like, now it's a
thing. Let me so as I'm googling some of these terms in research and
that I'm coming up with, I'm able to find Jewish mystics and who taught
on all of this stuff that I'm like, Okay, I'm going crazy again,
you know, like how do you know these things? Like you want
to honor the source, but I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure that
I'm not falling into another psychosis. But mind you, it is psychosis because
you're writing in front of a keyboard and there's information just being downloaded to you.
You go to sleep and you wake up and you know all of this
stuff that doesn't seem normal too. I think psychosis has a negative connotation.
We download A download is more neutral, right, I mean, it's cool.
I think you do have a download. I think that obviously would I
think you just said it. It's real. You're you're picking up something and
you're writing it and coming through it. You know, it's a it's a
it's an amazing thing. But we've got so many similar stories. It's wild,
you know what I mean. It's wild, and I like the uh.
I like the vibe that it brings. And it's like, you know,
you you got this thing, you lined it up. This person from
five hundred years ago is over here. You're here now, all of a
sudden boom, you lined it up. Now you're going forward with it.
I don't know. It's really really cool. And that is real, and
it's a download is safe, it's it's psychosis is a negative turn, you
know what I mean. Yeah, something is open up to you and you're
willing to receive it again. The thing is it's with an open heart and
a caring heart and a loving heart, and and it's not evil. You
know. That's the key. And you said this a moment earlier. I
wanted to come back to it about how and everybody says this, but from
my experience it's also true. God is quiet. It's quiet, and even
if it's so much loudness around you, God comes in a whisper and you're
like, and that is can that's wild though, Right when you get in
this whisper, you're like, oh, that's good it's like a just a
here sh that is that is powerful stuff. If you're in a stadium filled
with NFL fans but you get a whisper, you come on, I mean
you that that is a that is a plus, that is good and anything.
I was just looking that word up and it is whisper. It is
the whisper of the silence, the still small Yeah. And it's crazy.
And it's when it comes and you feel it, and you know, if
you're if you're you know want if you I think if you want to feel
it, well, no, you can work on it. Of course you
can work on it. You can't demand it, I guess that's a better
way to say it. But you can pray for it, the voices that
are speaking in your in your mind or in your life and focus and and
you can you can key in on on the quiet voice that that is still
there amidst the crowd. But you I think it's symbolic because you learn to
turn the stadium down even though you're in the stadium. So that's the practice.
The practice. It isn't turning God up, it's turning everything else down.
What Natere does in general, like it helps us to reset, and
it brings the things to us that are supposed to matter, essentially, the
things we've been ignoring or we've been trying to suppress, you know, death
the afterlife. I think a lot of this comes into death in the afterlife
about there that the people we think are quote unquote dead are not dead.
Their energy, their information, their personality, everything they carried is still here
looking for somebody to remember them and to you know, continue to carry their
work forward, or their life, or their legacy, their character. Yeah,
I think, you know, it just depends on how you want to
word it. You take your choice. It's everything, you know. That's
funny. But that's funny because my wife. You know, again, everyone
talks to me. I talked about these Do I want to be a medium?
Do I want to try? Yeah? I'm like, I don't know.
I'm not comfortable with that yet. You know, again, the team
ill a student. I can read everyone gives off upsite, like an aura.
Everyone has it. If I was in the room with you, it's
not easy to do now, it's not easy to do anyway. But I
could sit there and something would come off of you. Just you know,
it's I've thought about, well maybe that I can do that, because it'd
be really cool. But I'm not going to tell I'm just going to read
it. But my wife's like, well, the medium say this is what
it means. I don't know what it means. I can't. I don't
want to pretend. Now, maybe if I practice it, maybe you know,
maybe, and maybe if I ask questions. But I'm just not there
yet, not yet, you know, I'm not there yet. We just
so there's a couple practices. Again, you got to get people who were
open. And we've done this online too, because that was my big thing
doing sessions and stuff, from being a part of a local church and ministries
to doing like more online stuff. It was different because in the room that
you feel things in your body, you sure you see the like, it's
different. You can look at the person and see their shadow, like everything's
totally different. And I was kind of afraid that it wouldn't be able to
translate online on a zoom call. But when we started, a lady asked
me to practice on her years ago. She was trying to encourage me.
I was like, yeah, I don't know, and literally we go into
a prayer. I'm just trying to get something for her and I got something
and she was like, oh my god, that's it. That's exactly what
was going on my neck is I got a pain in my neck. I
just went to the doctor. It's like wow, because I saw it and
I felt it in my body. See, that's the thing where we got
to start learning this stuff because we start feeling it, and I feel like
we can keep it. Stuff that's not ours that we're carrying messages and things
that are for other people, and we don't know what to do with the
energy. And if you don't know what to do with the trauma and all
that kind of stuff, it can become a part of you. And that's
what hychosis. Yeah, and I'm very health conscious. I run every day
other weights. That keeps me grounded. You know. I'm very much take
care of myself. And I know it's true by the way that distance even
though I say for this it's I can't do it over online, but I
know there's people I know personally, people that have had mediums talk to them
over like in London when they were here, and they tell them stuff they
couldn't imagine. It's all that quantum tunneling, that quantum entanglement, you can
connect other people. And again, if I practice it, maybe I could
do it. I just haven't had the interest. You know, There's so
many things I could do in person. You know, in person's better it
just did it is? Yeah, but hey, I mean sometimes, specially
going through what we went through, you had to learn how to do it
online. I guess, you know. Yeah, how much longer do you
have? Do you have? Again? Let's do five minutes? I got
I got a one o'clock business meaning, and I need to eat something,
So five more minutes. Okay. I wanted I wanted to run this by
you too, just talking about the the alien gray stuff as far as like,
in a lot of your experiences, you've seen alien grays that are present,
whether they're watching you or maybe guiding you off to the side. You
know, I know you're still still in the air about it. And some
of my encounters I haven't seen in alien gray. I have seen silhouettes of
you know, little humanoids that are just silhouettes and sometimes their colors and lights
and but they're intelligent, and it's scary to feel like you're being watched by
something out the corner of your eye, right, I wanted to bring that
up because with talking about seeing that during your like astral projections and remote viewing
and stuff like that. I just read a little bit of Crowley stuff recently
just because I was I wasn't aware. I was just understood what I was
told, and it was to stay away. It was all demonic. But
his stuff, it definitely wasn't all demonic. But anyway, he talks about
doing these certain astral projections and remote viewing sessions with other people, and he
describes in one of his menu scripts that there's a group of people who can
do it and ascend into the heavens and have conversations and communicate with one another
and get orders and you all can do it together. He was training people
how to do it, and I know many Christians who are doing similar things.
I wanted to share that with you because of you know, bringing other
people into the experience to do this you know, nonverbal communication. And then
it was like then you can come back and say, Okay, what were
we talking about there to see if it's even legit. But all of that
to say that Crowley eventually drew a picture of this little guy, this little
man that was that he was seeing in a lot of his visions and in
his journey that he called him lamb Lam, which looks like this alien gray.
So I wanted to link the little alien gray type being, but also
too this astro projection phenomena, and you know, get your thoughts on that
and your experiences if you want to share just a little bit. So are
you asking you want me to tell my experience with the grays, the one
that you've seen in the image of Is that what you're asking? Yeah,
yep, I want. I wanted to share that with you too. No,
no, yeah, that's great, And that's funny too, because what
I'm going to tell is not that it's the opposite. So the aliens were
doing what Frowley was said he was doing. That's what's crazy right now about
that story. So when I first started doing this, now there's protocols for
people who want to call aliens, it's called heist and CE five. I
came into this cold. I didn't know what was going on. So I'm
just doing this not even thinking about those things. I am just using what
I call upside vision, and I'm seeing all these things. When the very
beginning when I started doing it, I'm watching it. I'm just sitting there
looking at it. And again, remember all of this is holograph, but
I'm just flying through space whatever you want to call it. Next thing,
I know, I'm on the ship with a dozen gray aliens in a circle.
Right. And as I look closer, they're in a circle, but
they're over this square table that looks like it's it's clear, like a clear
table, and it looks at first like it's empty. But as I get
closer, I realize that they're remote. They're remote viewing like a town in
the United States. Right. And as I look closer again, their eyes
they're following. Their eyes are important to this process for whatever reason they're they're
following these people, and the gray alien next to them picked up the person
from their field of vision. So they needed to do it as a group
somehow. Maybe it was like a chorus, it made it stronger, whatever
the case was, it was like a process, and they're I don't know
if these beings are servers. I don't know if they're humanoids. I don't
know if they're half you know, I don't know what they are, but
half organic and half not. But what was wild about that is that I'm
looking at them. I'm so curious about it. Then two of the gray
aliens looked at me and they started coming towards me. And I don't even
know what I look like in the holographic form, right, I don't know
what they're actually seeing. But I was so scared I jumped out of it.
Right, And that was almost, that was not almost. That was
my first time that I stumbled upon gray aliens doing something like you could think
that they're that we could learn from, right you talked about Crowley was like,
wait, what if they're doing, if they're if our little eyes can
do you know, a tenth of what their big eyes can do, maybe
there's something there. And again, obviously to me, it's because of my
upside vision, like I think I have, they might be able to do
something I can do. Such smaller the eyes, the size of their eyes
is important for their physiola, physiology. For whatever reason, from my perspective
and what I've seen, it's because they're broadcasting. It's almost like a satellite.
They're broadcasting something a lot bigger. Now I've since and I write about
this in certain blogs that when I'm doing math, they used to show up
and like a like, I don't want to say teas more like a nuisance
annoy me. They would take me off my task, and I often wondered
why i'd be anything I'm doing. They would annoy me, and I'd read
I actually read this only a few years ago that meditators, people that are
meditating, they would go to their yoga and this is documented and they say,
listen, I'm meditating and I'm trying to empty my mind, but a
gray alien keeps showing up. And that's what happened to me. Yeah,
that was it. And the teachers like, just ignore it. It's just
ignore it. It's like, wait a minute, maybe we should have a
communication. Maybe they want to maybe we can communicate with these beings in a
way, you know, maybe regular people do, you know, like all
of us can directly now that said, I don't communicate with grace. There's
no there's not a lot. There's one episode I write it. If you
want to go to my upside Vision YouTube page. I have this twenty minute
video about how I communicate with non human intelligence. It talks about a gray
being in the room with me right and holding my head. It starts off
like that, but that I don't have a lot of interaction with these beings.
And I don't know why. You know, some people are stars,
some people can tell you everything they say. That's not the case for me,
And I think that's by design. I think my guide, my God,
my spiritual counselor wants me to do other things, not listen to what
they have to say. They want to maybe don't show me, teach me,
you know what I mean, that's that's maybe. I think that's kind
of part of what's what is. I don't think it is what's happening with
now man. I'll leave you with this with the eyes and beholding that there's
a whole there's practices that do that to create your reality, to look at
something and you know, then I shared about the dreams when I was a
kid, allowing that stuff in and then experiencing it being tormented, and the
eyes to create or to project or to move. The ancients looked at the
Son as the eye of God, this huge eyeball that is watching over humanity
or maybe even creating humanity, giving us life just without that. I watching
this. It's very interesting because I do think this is all of this is
multi dimensional. It doesn't just work for one realm. It's it's applicable for
all of them. Yeah, and every every character in my book Jesus goes
to Hollywood. It's a subtitle of Memoir of Madness. I name it after
the Sun because the Sun is a big part of my journey Nova Soul.
So just so you know, I know, I feel that that the sun
is definitely, for whatever reason, obviously connected to God. You can't have
humanity without the sun. But yeah, that's I I hear that loud and
clear. So anyway, listen, I got a jump. This has been
so amazing, Derek. I think maybe we can do something. You're like
an hour and a half from me. If you have a retreat, I
could show up. We could have some fun. I don't know when that.
I would love to be a part of that. Yeah you're in You're
in clear Water or well, I mean Alfhar out of Georgia. Okay,
nice, heck, yeah right up the road man. Good. Yeah,
we we just passed through there at our last retreat. But for sure,
brother, Yeah, don't be a stranger. Thanks for coming on. Yeah,
thank you, this is a pleasure. Yeah, you got my email.
I'll give you my number if you want to, we could practice some
stuff, some dream stuff, some number of stuff, whatever it is,
So add me to the list of people that you need to practice some of
this stuff. That will I will. And I got a lot out of
this today, Derek, which is great. Thank you again, Thank you
Tom, Matt, Ladies and gentlemen. Make sure y'all check out his other
work and his interviews and all of them bring something beautiful to the table.
And I was essentially asking questions that I genuinely had from listening to his other
interviews and the work that he's put out there. So I know a lot
of you have have similar questions, and I'm trying to ask those questions for
you, you know, and for me and for me. You know,
people talk about seeking truth. You know. I get this question or comment
a lot from from a lot of Christians who are like kind of saying,
you call yourself the truth seeker, you can Jesus is the truth. If
you knew Jesus, you would find the truth and you wouldn't have to seek
it. It was like, well, no, I've found the truth and
I'm still seeking it every day. This is what it is. Because once
you ask a question, your question is answered only by another question. We
read the scriptures. That's exactly how Jesus taught. That's exactly how he answered
somebody's questions by asking them a question to denote that the answer was already within
them and they knew it to begin with. They just had to dig.
So I think this podcast and our experiences, we're here digging, We're here
asking deeper questions, and this show represents people who aren't afraid to ask those
questions, even when you've been told that you're going to be laughed at,
ridiculed, demonized, ostracized. Whatever. You know, fine, I'm still
asking the questions and now we're getting answers. So man, keep doing what
you guys are doing. Keep showing up. Everybody has a piece of the
puzzle. You know. I found myself having to apologize a lot after interviewing
certain people just because I still have questions, Like I'm not I don't I
can ask good questions, but I'm good at talking. I'm good at sharing
because it's genuine, and I want to share from a place of knowing that
the person you can tell when the person is a student as well, and
quite frankly, as I opened up this talk. That's all I want to
listen to. That's all I want to learn from. I don't want to
learn from a know it all. I don't want to learn from somebody who
claims to have it all figured out and closes off every other possibility. And
that's what we were taught to do, to read one book, to have
one experience, and then to discount everybody else's experiences. And that's not the
case, that's not the truth. But I get excited sometimes depending on who
I'm talking to, and I wanted to share with him and had genuine questions.
And I've always said that that still makes the best podcast, makes the
best episodes when I'm genuinely hungry about the information and I genuinely want to know.
I can't tell you how many times I've done podcasts or I've been sent
a list of questions to ask the person from their publicist or something like that,
and it's just kind of robotic. You know, you can make it
seem engaging or whatever, but when you really want to know, when it's
got me by the edge of my seat. Because I'm a student, we
all are, and we're always learning. So sometimes I find myself apologizing for
talking or whatever. But man, I want to know. I want to
know, So I'm asking questions for you. Yeah, I have people in
mind I'm asking questions for, but also for myself. So when you find
like minded people that you, you know, sometimes it feels like like who
can I talk to about this stuff? Who can I talk to? I
know I can talk to you guys. You guys are experiencing a lot of
this stuff too, and that's what makes it fun, and that's what lets
us know that we're not alone and that you know, people can write you
off, people can ostracize you, but there's none of you who are gonna
give up friends or family members or whatever in this life. Who who writes
you off or call you names or whatever that you're not going to get one
hundredfold in return. Who are a part of this world, within the world,
if you will, the kingdom that is at hand that we're experiencing,
that we're able to see and sometimes just sometimes able to record it and catch
it on video. So good man, Thank y'all for hanging out with me.
If you're not a member of our online community or the Seer School,
definitely check it out www. Dot c dot school. It is our community,
it is our training, it's our I mean, we do two sessions
a week Thursday nights, Sunday mornings, hangouts, you know, doing this
but with a lot more people. It's really fun. You'll find out very
quick that you're not alone and the implications that that has I've taken for granted
in the past with that phrase you're not alone. Man, you're not alone.
It's so powerful to finally know and to feel that you are valued,
your your information, your piece of the puzzle, what you've experienced, what
you have to say, what you have to offer. We are building community
online and locally as well, doing these retreats and gatherings to create a place,
a community where you're not just simply tolerated, that you're valued. And
so I always say this, go to where not like, don't go to
the place or to the church or whatever where you feel like you're tolerated.
Go to the place where you feel like you're appreciated. And knowing that I
needed that and I still need that, what else is there to do but
to see the vision of it and then create it. That's what we're doing,
and I really think at the end of the day, that's what this
podcast was about today. It was about that seeing a vision, seeing it
through, no matter how big, no matter how far out, and then
creating it, finding ways to bring it into your reality, and not just
do it once, but to keep doing it. Thank you all for hanging
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