1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,520 But I'm just flying through space, whatever you want to call it. And 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,000 next thing I know, I'm on the ship with a dozen gray aliens who 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,480 are in a circle right, And as I look closer, they're in a 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,960 circle, but they're over this square table that looks like it's clear, like 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,640 a clear table, and it looks at first like it's empty. But as 6 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:23,440 I get closer, I realize that they're remote. They're remote viewing like a 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,640 town in the United States. And as I look closer again, their eyes 8 00:00:28,239 --> 00:00:32,840 they're following. Their eyes are important to this process for whatever reason they're they're 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,719 following these people. And the gray alien next to them picked up the person 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,840 from their field division, so they needed to do it as a group somehow, 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,640 maybe it was like a chorus. It made it stronger. It was 12 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:47,200 like a process, and they're I don't know if these beings are servers. 13 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:50,520 I don't know if they're humanoids. I don't know if they're half you know, 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,240 I don't know what they are. They're half organic and half not. 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,359 What was wild about that is that I'm looking at them. I'm so curious 16 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,039 about it. Then two of the gray aliens looked at me and they started 17 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:03,479 coming towards me, and I don't even know what I look like in the 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,799 holographic forum, right, I don't know what they're actually seeing. But I 19 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:10,400 was so scared I jumped out of it my first time that I stumbled upon 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,760 gray aliens doing something like you could think that we could learn from. If 21 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:19,159 our little eyes can do you know a tenth of what their big eyes can 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,879 do, maybe there's something there. Today, my guest is Tom Matt. 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Tom, welcome to the show, brother, How are you. I'm doing 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,599 good, Thanks for having me. I've been listening to some of your interviews 25 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:34,959 this morning and the work that you're bringing to the table, and I already 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,120 know this is going to be a great talk. One of the reasons I 27 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:45,480 know is because the fact that you are a student and I can hear in 28 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:51,159 your voice that you're trying to get answers. You've experienced some things and you're 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,920 bringing that to the table, and the beautiful thing is you're asking questions. 30 00:01:56,159 --> 00:02:00,519 One of my teachers said that you can't really trust people who come with all 31 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,359 the answers and they know it all, But you can trust the people who 32 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:07,919 are showing up asking questions. The people who claim to have the truth. 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,840 Don't don't ever trust those people, but the people who are seeking and searching 34 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,680 after the truth. You could put some stock in that. So I know 35 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:16,879 this is going to be a fun talk. Yeah, I like that. 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,280 I like that a lot, And that is absolutely true. This, uh, 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,719 my origin story, for lack of another word, happened a dozen years 38 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:28,840 ago. And while I've got some answers in the last twelve years, every 39 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:34,280 answer leads to more questions, me wanting to find out additional things. So, 40 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:37,240 yeah, do you want me to tell a little bit of my backstory? 41 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:38,719 How do you want to start? Well, actually, this is you, 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,919 what do you What do you think? I mean? Shoot, yeah, 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,919 I think it'd be I think it'd be good to kind of set it 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,840 up from the beginning, because you know, a lot of people are experiencing 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,039 that right now. So to kind of show where you came from, to 46 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,680 show where you are now definitely be be U a great way to start. 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,719 Let's do it. Let's do it. So, So the reason I'm here, 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,080 as you and I know, is that I have this ability to see 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,719 these holographic images that are everywhere around all of us. For whatever reason, 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,680 my brain has evolved or something has opened up for an ability to let me 51 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:15,879 literally turn my attention. I can sophomize, and I can focus, and 52 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,800 I see these holographic images. Not only can I see them, I can 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,400 interact with them. Not only that, but I went to the Ions Institute 54 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:24,840 in California and they hooked me up with an EEG machine and we measured the 55 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,680 brain waves. So there's a peer review study out there showing this is not 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,400 just an internal phenomena. Something out outside of me is happening. We'll come 57 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:38,360 back that in a minute. What was what happened though? How I got 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,080 this is about a dozen years ago, So I'm eleven years in recovery. 59 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,159 So I'm recovering. I did a bunch of drugs eleven years ago, and 60 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:52,439 when I did, actually I relapsed. I had five years sober. Right, 61 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:54,560 So I'm in my mid forties. Five years later, I pick up 62 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:59,560 again, late forties, successful business guy in Atlanta, have an advertising agency. 63 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,479 This time, when I picked up, something shifted in my brain. 64 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:08,599 Something changed in my brain. I started to have a thought. That thought 65 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:14,319 would turn into a belief, and no matter how ridiculous or bizarre that belief 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,240 is, I would believe it to be true. And then I would act 67 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,000 on it. It got so bad that I believed my business was upfront for 68 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:28,399 another business. I believe my kids were aliens. And I believed this so 69 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,560 much. This is funny. When you talk about people believing things, You're 70 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,560 like, well, how do you believe it? I believed it so much. 71 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,800 I walked down on my family. I walked out of my wife, 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,600 I walked out on a thriving business. Right, So I emptied my bank 73 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,240 account and I spent the next six months just flying around the globe looking for 74 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,680 answers because something was wrong and I didn't trust anybody. There's a huge paranoia 75 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:55,519 and that is associated with cocaine, so that's not too unusual. And to 76 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,360 be clear, again, I was recovering at it before, so this time 77 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:03,399 when I picked up something just something broke right, something got in or something. 78 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,720 You know, it was a complete collapse. Well six months later and 79 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:10,959 I wrote a book about this, by the way, it's called Jesus Goes 80 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,360 to Hollywood, A Memoir of Madness. We'll talk about that title in a 81 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:16,240 minute, because I think it's important and I don't usually talk about that on 82 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 these podcasts, but for this show, I think it makes a lot of 83 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:25,120 sense. Jesus goes to Hollywood a memoir of madness, and so I wrote 84 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,600 about this. I publish it in twenty twenty, right in the middle of 85 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,279 COVID pandemic. So I tell this story. The first two thirds is what 86 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:36,519 happened, and the last third is about when I started getting clean and sober. 87 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,199 Something happened to my brain again to see these holographic images and to interact 88 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,000 with him. So I was like, listen, if I can do this 89 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:49,639 extraordinary thing, and everyone knows I was psychotic and a drug addict, I 90 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:54,639 have to give up my addiction. There's nobody going to take me serious if 91 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,160 I'm still addicted and I'm claiming all these things. So I gave it up. 92 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,439 But to be clear, I wanted to give it up, you know 93 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:03,160 what I mean. I was at the end of my rope. I was 94 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,279 at the bottom of you know, the addiction, you're at the bottom. 95 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:09,920 I wanted to get back with my family. I knew something was wrong with 96 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:12,959 me. So over the years we did a lot of healing and the family 97 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,240 part of it. Success is great. Everyone's back together, the family, 98 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:20,319 My kids love me. It's wonderful that aside that's not aside. That's important. 99 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,319 I still wanted to find out what these images were because they were they 100 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,160 were extraordinary. So that's what I've done the last dozen years, and I 101 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:33,480 wanted And the funny thing is I stayed away from the New age stuff. 102 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,839 I stayed away from ufology. I stayed away maybe say the spiritual side. 103 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,680 I wanted to be taken serious by academic institutions like MIT, Harvard, anybody 104 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,839 had a neuroscience program. I was like, listen, you need to get 105 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,720 me in the lab. Something extraordinary is happening to my brain. And I 106 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,160 can do it on demand. I don't have to wait for it. I 107 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,160 don't have to get a certain vibe. And I know that we can measure 108 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,439 something ether it's in an fMRI or an EEG. Finally happened with ions. 109 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:12,720 So that's where we are now. And that's the backstory. So this excess 110 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:18,160 of drug use ended up in some type of mental psychosis, some type of 111 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:26,600 schizophrenia where you're believing anything that you're told one hundred percent, trying to make 112 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:32,839 sense of reality. Images are coming to you. I'm assuming from experience that 113 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,240 many of the images maybe that you were seeing at the time Were they unpleasant? 114 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Were they? Yeah? Were they evil images like during that time of 115 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,879 this psychostry. So no, that that's a great question. It's funny too, 116 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,240 because in my book there were two literally two separate instances. Now I 117 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:54,040 was on drugs on both of them, so let's be clear about that. 118 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,480 I was, you know, I was psychotic. I was on drugs. 119 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,639 But I was run out of a hotel room. I went to a place 120 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,600 called, Oh, they sell Christian jewelry, James Avery. Right, I 121 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,680 happened to go to James Avery. I was beginning of the psychosis. I 122 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,360 was buying some jewelry. All these crosses are tough. I went back to 123 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:15,680 my hotel room. I did a bunch of drugs by the time, and 124 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,600 they actually had some posters, bizarrely enough, from a jewelry store. They 125 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,040 had these posters. Maybe they were advertising some of the things they were selling. 126 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,079 But by the end of the night, I had put these posters all 127 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,759 over the wall because I thought demons were trying to get me, all these 128 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,120 Christian posters. I put all these crosses on and I ran out of that 129 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:35,039 hotel room. I took everything, all this gold jewey, and I threw 130 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,279 it in a dumpster, right, literally thousands of dollars worth of gold. 131 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,440 The crazy part about that story is the and I threw my wallet away because 132 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,960 I thought it was possessed, right. The craziest part about that story is 133 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:52,080 the decency of the guy that picked up the garbage that day. He happened 134 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,559 to see my wallet when he dumped it in the back, and he brought 135 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,279 all this stuff to my wife. He said, I don't know why this 136 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,320 is here, but this is important you. I mean that to me was 137 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,240 in like one of those spiritual moments from another person getting involved. It happened 138 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,360 again when I was at a hotel in California where I looked at myself in 139 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:09,799 the mirror and I thought I was turning into a demon. And again I 140 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,320 completely left all my stuff and I and I and I left in the hotel. 141 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,200 They put that in storage. So there were two times where I thought 142 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,440 something was going on with my mind. One I was being chased out by 143 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,559 demons. The second time I thought I was turning into a demon. Now 144 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,879 this has not happened since I've gotten clean and sober. I want to be 145 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,600 clear about that. That said, and we can definitely take a deep dive 146 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:41,399 into this. I've seen many types of spiritual alien, any kind of beings 147 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,639 in the holographic form. Some of them are scary and some of them are 148 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,600 less so. And I will tell you one other anecdote about why the book 149 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,960 has called Jesus Goes to Hollywood. When I during the book, during the 150 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,080 when the time I had the psychosis, and even back then, I was 151 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,440 like it was in March. I said, I have to get clothing and 152 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,919 sober. So I checked myself into a Crossroads treatment center right, which is 153 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,080 in Antigua. It started by air clapped in black the year two thousand, 154 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,639 I think. So I check in there and I'm cleaning sober because obviously you 155 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,919 can't do drugs there. But there was a moment I knew I was still 156 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:18,879 having but I didn't know it. There were still psychotic thoughts. I had 157 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,840 this fruit cup drink right at the cafeteria. I walked outside and I spilt 158 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,000 this on the rocks and some of it again on my pants. I also 159 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:30,039 had a Bible in my other hand. Right, I opened up the Bible 160 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,000 passage and the Bible said something. This is paraphrasing. Some of your readers 161 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,120 or listeners may know this better, but said something about and the blood spilled 162 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,639 and splashed upon his pants, and I was like, oh, that's it, 163 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:43,480 I'm Jesus. You know. It was clearly a psychotic moment, but 164 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,080 when you're in that state, So there was like a couple of days where 165 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,679 I literally thought I was Jesus because of all these synchronistic moments. That was 166 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,399 one in a series of them. But that's a bye, by the way, 167 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,919 that's a very high bar. You do not want to be Jesus because 168 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,600 that's a very high Bardy keep. So after a while it kind of idea 169 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,519 faded away and my brain got healthier, and this filter, I call it 170 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,919 a filter, it started to mend or started to get back in place. 171 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,000 And I want to say two things too, because I'm sure somebody's thinking, 172 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:22,039 did you have as my computer does this? Did you haven't? I did 173 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,799 two MRIs right, there's no brain damage, there's no legions, there's no 174 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:30,039 tumors, and there's no damage from drug use. So we know there's nothing 175 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:33,000 wrong with my brain. Nothing neurologically, nothing pathological is wrong with me. 176 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,919 I've just developed this amazing ability. And the scientist from a clinicals perspective, 177 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:46,200 their only answer is something must have been rewired in your brain to give you 178 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,200 this ability. Now that's nice, but that's really not helpful, is it. 179 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,080 I mean, if you looked over here and you saw a holographic image 180 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,320 of anything, you would want more answers than that. And that's to your 181 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,360 point. That has been the mission I've been on the last ungeand years trying 182 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,440 to get answers. Well, I think we're on a similar mission. And 183 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,200 uh, and probably a lot of people listening I get I get a lot 184 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:15,720 of messages and I'm empathetic towards them because a lot of them are just what 185 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:20,600 you said, Hey I'm Jesus, Hey I am, and you know, 186 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,639 the archangel Michael sitting here for a mission. I get it a lot. 187 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,000 And it's the strange thing about it is that it's it seems to be increasing 188 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:35,720 post COVID and posts like going through these traumatic experiences, people push to a 189 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:41,360 breaking point of reality of what they thought was solid, you know, as 190 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,600 far as how life works. And you know, we're trying not to think 191 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:50,399 about death like we're like we're here trying to push like you know, the 192 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,600 spirit world and those things that are coming right death, you know, it's 193 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,600 but we've trying to occupy our time and our mind with other things that so 194 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,799 we don't have to think about it, and we've been forced to look at 195 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:09,159 it and think and think about those things. So people are asking deeper questions, 196 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,039 looking into near death experiences, what happens when we die, all of 197 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,639 these things, and so it's pushing people to you know, this kind of 198 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,759 breaking point, if you will. And so I'm getting a lot of those 199 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:26,240 messages that are psychosists that people are going through. I always tell people to 200 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,879 prove it, you know, like, hey, I'm Jesus, or I 201 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,679 can do this and travel to these realms and all this kind of stuff. 202 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:39,120 Okay, like prove it, like, hey, I'm people are write me 203 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,559 ask tell me to ask them questions. They know everything in the world. 204 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,679 Ask them a question, Okay, what was my father's brother's name? You 205 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,480 know, just something right off the custom that should be fairly easy, and 206 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:56,200 they can't. So it's this thing of like this narrative scenario that is, 207 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,799 like you said, a thousand percent real to them. But the outside doesn't 208 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,559 look like the inside. So if this is real, if you are, 209 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:11,240 how do we get the outside to look like the inside, especially where little 210 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,840 things are coming up that stood out to you because it's a part of your 211 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:20,879 story that all of these grandiose ideas are happening. Cool stuff. But now 212 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:24,759 I'm homeless and I've left my family, like and and and that's that's that's 213 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:31,559 one that happens with a lot of people experiencing the Messiah complex. The I'm 214 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:37,120 you know, it happens a lot. I have friends doing it, a 215 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:39,519 lot of stuff. So I want to I want to be able to share 216 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,320 your story, share my story, and also help these people for sure, 217 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,919 but help ourselves figure out what's going on. Obviously on a larger scale. 218 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,440 It's not just you, it's not just me. There's so many people, 219 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,559 and I think the number is increasing who are going through this stuff. Yeah, 220 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,440 I agree everything you said. Sense you covered a lot of things. 221 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:03,960 Let me let me take them one at a time. The ones say, 222 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:07,480 uh, let me take them one at a time. So I think the 223 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:11,840 first thing that comes to mind is the thought that people believe are getting messages. 224 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,639 So that tells me that I mean again, I've thought about this a 225 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:18,039 lot, like you have, Derek. I've thought about this a lot. 226 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,720 It's like, why would I believe something so ridiculous, and then the idea 227 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,399 because like, well, where do thoughts come from? So well, I 228 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,600 don't believe those things anymore. It made me think, Okay, everyone talks 229 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,799 about you're not your thoughts, right, but we still do not know where 230 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,240 thoughts come from. So the question is, maybe, even though I don't 231 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,519 think people are the Messiah or our angel Michael, maybe we need to start 232 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:48,159 looking about where things are coming into my our brains, and maybe they're on 233 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,279 a level that is below or like let's call it unconscious or subconscious. Maybe 234 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,080 we should start paying attention to that and wondering where these things are coming from, 235 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:00,600 because these are these ideas are not coming out of thin air, but 236 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,879 yet they are coming out of thin air, right, so like something is 237 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,559 happening, these we're turning into a frequency where we can pick it up. 238 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:14,159 So that's my first thing. So I think that speaks to doing more research 239 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,919 on where these ideas are coming from. Because you know, if you go 240 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,480 to a traditional therapist, they'll try to medicate you and say, don't listen 241 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:23,279 to those voices. Now, that's good, you don't want to think these 242 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,559 things, especially if you end up homeless. But It's only part of the 243 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,279 story, right, It's only part of the symptom. And why do we 244 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,000 have all this? Why do people need to think that what is missing from 245 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:37,519 our lives or we need to think that there's something missing. And if you 246 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,240 go to you know, if you go to AA Meeing's, it'll tell you 247 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:44,200 to do service work and stuff like that. And that's really great stuff too. 248 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,039 But I think there's another piece as well, and I think to your 249 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:52,559 point, we are approaching something right. Every time I just like you, 250 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:56,440 every time I get on a podcast like that, somebody reaches out to me 251 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:59,360 and says, wow, I can do something like you can. And you 252 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:03,599 know what the numb number one the through every thread of every story trauma. 253 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:11,359 Every single person has some kind of trauma associated with it, whether it's childhood, 254 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,359 whether it's addiction, whether it's family trauma, something they all have. 255 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:18,160 This is and then and then it gets worse because for whatever reason, because 256 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,160 people don't know what to do with this. It is an extraordinary thing. 257 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,359 And if you go to traditional medical health outlets, they're gonna, like I 258 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,519 said, medicate you where they're gonna say bipolar schizophrenia. Now, obviously those 259 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,440 things are out there, and people need to take care of those. But 260 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,240 there's something else happening with our world, our environment. If you want to 261 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:41,480 say a veil is being lifted so more people can see it, I'm okay 262 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,680 with that. I think we're approaching something. I think our environment is changing. 263 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,039 I think I don't care. I don't well, I mean I do, 264 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,200 obviously, whether it's climate change. Something is happening where more people are 265 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:59,240 plugged into this hidden bios for a hidden biosphere, an invisible biosphere. But 266 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,440 it's not gonna stay hidden. Are invisible for lungs. We're being connected to 267 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,720 it. Now. I know this from a visual perspective, because I can 268 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,880 see more than other people can see. There's a word that I looked I 269 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,680 learned a dozen years ago called umvel. It's spelled umwe lt. I think 270 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,319 it's pronounced umvel. It's a German word. It's a way of biological organisms. 271 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:26,599 Organism moves through environment. Now, you and I are humans. We 272 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,359 move through earth differently than say a worm, right, because we have more 273 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,880 senses. We all occupy earth, but a worm has different senses and sees 274 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,279 a lot less than we do. I'm starting to believe, and I have 275 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,359 for the while now that a while now that there are other creatures and beings 276 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,279 here that we can't see because our senses can't tune into them. I say 277 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:49,200 this because I see them. I see them holographically. So I think more 278 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,200 and more people are seeing more met Whether you want to call it an evolution 279 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,160 mutation, I don't know, but I know I'm hearing from people all over 280 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,440 the place. And yeah, yeah, so whether they're living or you want 281 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,000 to call them living, that's the discussion for science at another time, but 282 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:11,839 for this conversation, it is definitely an interesting piece that is part of what 283 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,119 I want to get answers for. Yeah, a couple of the places that 284 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,680 I definitely want to go with you is talking about being able to see this 285 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:27,279 stuff and then manifest it and then it actually becoming the reality. You know, 286 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,400 as far as like, hey, I'm a millionaire, okay, like 287 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:36,359 in the spirit world or in your imagination, Like how do you manifest a 288 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,160 million dollars? Right? Obviously there's a process to do it. Anyone can 289 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,799 do it right if they stuck to it and got a game plan. But 290 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,680 these visions and these things that are coming to people because we are antennas, 291 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,920 we are receivers for what though. That's what we're exploring, right, this 292 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,880 idea that pictures and images and all of these things are coming to you. 293 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,039 What do you do with them? What do you do with them? How 294 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:06,400 do you how do you make something out of it? And that's what we're 295 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,359 figuring out because people are starting to do it. And when it maybe ties 296 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,680 into the spiritual or New age community, when you're talking about the law of 297 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,559 attraction and these things, of these thoughts and these images coming to people or 298 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:26,880 either either they're coming to you or you project them out into the biosphere or 299 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,400 towards the sun or in the sunlight, or to the clouds. This is 300 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:36,559 the we don't know and then it reverberates and comes back to you. Are 301 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:41,680 you receiving these these messages or are you creating them? It almost seems like 302 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:51,480 this where there is a narrative that some we'll just say people want the masses 303 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:55,720 to believe of even with death. Maybe that's the thing too, This is 304 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,759 what happens when you die. This is the purpose of life to do that. 305 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:03,599 But when you start asking those deeper questions, it's almost sending a signal 306 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,000 or a beacon out there to the mass collective and we're all shifting together, 307 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:14,400 these these personal epiphanies and awakenings that we're having. It's not just us, 308 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:21,039 it's the entire planet. So it's almost like whether this is something that's breaking 309 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,319 or allowing you to see through the matrix whatever terminology where you know, the 310 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,920 veil is a great terminology actually to use. But as you're seeing it, 311 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:37,599 it's changing the narrative and more people are starting to experience question and believe a 312 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:45,000 different narrative that makes the old veil become thin and fall away. So there's 313 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,880 so much tied into it with whether it's group think, global brain as what 314 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:53,799 we can believe the majority. The more people I know, you've touched on 315 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:56,759 a little bit of all of this, the more people that believe it, 316 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:02,480 it can actually we can will it into our reality and it becomes our truth. 317 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,400 Whether that's happen, and it seems like somebody doesn't want that to happen, 318 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,680 So I know that's still a lot that's that's good and I and I 319 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,319 feel those things too. Let's be honest about that, especially with well, 320 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,559 let me talk. Let me talk about upside this this ability I have let 321 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,079 me let me describe it so people understand exactly what it is, and then 322 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,279 I'll tell you how I use it, how I experience it, And then 323 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,960 I'm going to tell you how we know. It's not just inside, it's 324 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,400 not just a product of my imagination. So upside vision is the ability to 325 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,960 see and interact with these holographic images that seem to be everywhere around us. 326 00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:44,759 Right, So if I see actually and I let me tell you what people 327 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,279 what it looks like. I'm gonna give two examples, and I'm sure most 328 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,319 of people. If you've seen the Iron Man movie, there's a scene with 329 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,880 Tony Stark when he's in office. He can hey, he's got the hologram 330 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,960 of the universe around him, and he works and he works in that environment. 331 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:00,119 It looks like that. If you have not seen Iron Man, there's 332 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,599 a movie called The Queen's Gambit where the protagonist is laying on the bed and 333 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,440 she's looking at the ceiling and she can move the chess pieces around. They're 334 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,920 holographic, so she moves the chess pieces around. Both of those are good 335 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,039 examples. And then the Old Star Wars one where R two D two has 336 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,920 got the thing of Princess Leah giving instructions. The problem with that one is 337 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,359 they're not in full color. That I don't like to use that one because 338 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,680 it's not in full color. It's usually it's a color. It's a clear 339 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,240 color, let's call it, with a tint. It's usually some kind of 340 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,680 tint to it. So that's what I'm seeing now. Once and it could 341 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,880 be related to what we're talking about, but just as many times it's not. 342 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,480 So that's what's so. When I started doing it, I thought it 343 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:44,599 was like this precognitive thing that I was gonna win every horse races. I 344 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,480 thought it could pick winners in football games. I thought it was gonna win 345 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,720 a fortune. This does not care about that. This does not care about 346 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,559 that at all. In fact, it leads me away from it because it 347 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,880 will show me a whole race, Kentucky Derby race, and it won't pick 348 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,920 the winner, won't you know what I mean? It won't show me the 349 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,640 real thing will It's got a trickster element. So so anyway, once I 350 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,599 look at this, I could turn my attention, I soften my eyes, 351 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,359 and there it is now. Once I engage with it, right, I 352 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,160 can interact with it. So Let's say I turned my attention and there is 353 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,319 two kids throwing a frisbee. Now on, now, once I'm a part 354 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,839 of this, I can think change the frisbee into a football, and they're 355 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,519 throwing a football. So now I'm engaged with this thing. So it is 356 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,799 an eternal receiver, right, I'm receiving it and then I'm putting something back. 357 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,319 So now there's something going on that's extraordinary. And let's I want to 358 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,880 tell you three ways how we know. Well, by the way, it's 359 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,839 not a vivid's mind's eye, right, it's not good memory recall, and 360 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,279 it's not a vivid mind's eye. And those things are really important, and 361 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,079 those things are good, but it's not that. For example, if I 362 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,119 was driving a car and you and I are chatting, and you're in the 363 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,440 passenger seat and you're like, remember the Jaws poster, and I could drive 364 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,920 the car and I'd say, sure, I remember that and think about it. 365 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,359 If I'm doing this, I can't drive a car because I have to 366 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,359 pay attention. My eyes have to focus, So I could do it as 367 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,240 a passenger, but not as a driver. So that's number one. But 368 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,039 three things, So how do we know it's outside my brain. Number One, 369 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,160 my eyes get tired focusing on these images, just like your eyes get 370 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:21,000 tired looking in a movie or anything else. Number two, the pupils dilate 371 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:26,119 when I see something arousing or surprising. You cannot willfully dilate your pupils. 372 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,160 It has to be done by an external stimuli. And that's proven. You 373 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,599 know, there's tons of things proof on that. And number three, there's 374 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,480 another thing called smooth pursuit eye movements, when they can track your eyes, 375 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,400 like if you're watching something go across the savannah, like a gazelle, you 376 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,200 can track your eyes and if you're actually following it, your eye goes smoothly, 377 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:52,519 and if you're faking it, it jumps. You can't pretend your eyes 378 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,599 are tracking something. So these are ways we know it's external. Right, 379 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,279 And I think again, that's important because a lot of people and I've I've 380 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,160 hear it, and I get it. It's a It is a good question. 381 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,240 Are you sure it's not in your head? Well? No, but 382 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:11,960 yes, right no, But it's like it's like any other sense you're making. 383 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,440 You make a sound with your voice, my ears pick it up, 384 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,759 but I respond with a sound from my voice. So there's an engagement going 385 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:22,799 on. So that's that is what's happening with this, with whatever this is, 386 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,920 and I don't know what it is, and it can be meaningful. 387 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:32,880 I've learned that the images that keep coming back are meaningful if the other ones, 388 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,799 you know, the things that seem to come back are meaningful. The 389 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,160 ones that I can't bring back, they're just kind of a thought or meaningless 390 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,039 or whatever. And I have seen all kinds of stuff. I seen me 391 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,400 playing as a child. I've seen my kids in the back of my house 392 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,160 when they were children, so I've seen those things. Now I don't actually 393 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:55,319 think it's this very vivid, actual memory. I think it's some kind of 394 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,559 I don't know, some kind of I don't know, some kind of collective 395 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,680 memory or something, because it looks like my children. So that's what that's 396 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,680 kind of when I want to search for answers with with other people too, 397 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,079 the more if a bunch of us get together with this, I think we 398 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:15,079 can actually communicate. We can get to that in a minute. Yeah, 399 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,839 no, that's one of the things I wrote down that I wanted to talk 400 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,799 to you about, because you know, in this you know, sense of 401 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,680 practicing being able to practice with it. You know, me and my wife 402 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,000 have been trying to practice ESP and just you know, what is the science 403 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:33,960 behind it? You know? Is it to to think a thought? Is 404 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,200 it to look at the thing and transmitted? Is it to put do you 405 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,240 have to put your hand on the person? You know? In this form 406 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:48,359 of mentalism? But it actually works and it's not trickery. And and like 407 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,160 you said, it's one of the things where sometimes it works and other times 408 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,160 it doesn't. I think it works enough or this stuff is meaningful enough that 409 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,920 comes to you that it's there's some significance to it to make sense out of 410 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,240 it. I'm with you on on a couple of things on that track as 411 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:17,039 far as it being just you or in your imagination, there's things that and 412 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,880 I can put myself out there because I'm asking questions too. But other people 413 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,880 are experiencing this too, so there's no Messiah complex going on. I want 414 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,599 to destroy that. You could easily market this as you are the guru, 415 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,400 right, but no, this is stuff that obviously other people are experiencing and 416 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:40,599 have experienced to see these images in these just strange worlds within worlds if you 417 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,400 will, that maybe are more real than this realm that we're able to see 418 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:52,839 into catch glimpses into that other people can see it and are seeing fractals or 419 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:03,000 you know, dimensions of it. And and I think if you could learn 420 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,079 how I don't know about that, if you learn how to film it, 421 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,720 if you learn how to get it to appear, whether it's a shadow, 422 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:18,319 there there has to be a si, a scientific method you know, for 423 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,039 this. And I think that there that there were you know, I don't 424 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,279 think this is new. I think that I think this this is has been 425 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:30,599 hidden from us because it could be this place where there's infinite possibilities, infinite 426 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:37,319 timelines that you can get clear on. Think about and will it into your 427 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:44,680 now moment, into this timeline that we're communicating on right now. And and 428 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,960 that is not just in your head it, you know, because I've had 429 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,559 people say that as well, like you know, well, maybe God's just 430 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,839 showing you these things and it's just you who can see it. Say no, 431 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,920 I can record this on film, you know some of the things that 432 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,599 I'm seeing anyway, and I can show it in many cases and teach it 433 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,079 in a sense, because it has to have this idea of repeatability, especially 434 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,960 if you're going to try to practice it, Like, how do you practice 435 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:17,839 what is the practice of this supernatural phenomenon, mentalism or whatever it is that 436 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,359 we're experiencing. How to manifest or create from this realm of infinite possibilities. 437 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,400 That's one way of looking at it. What would you say to that? 438 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,079 Yeah, for sure? And the science behind it too. I want to 439 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,960 let's talk about that what ions did in ions noetics. There's two blog posts 440 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,400 if your listeners want to go do them about the science behind us. Just 441 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,759 google upside Vision ions and you'll find it. One is written by me and 442 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:48,240 it's called is Upside Vision a psychic Ability? And the other one is written 443 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,359 by one of the neuroscientists about the peer review paper. Right, And what's 444 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,480 really cool about it is the EEG waves are like my brain when I'm doing 445 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:02,400 upsite like the Outlet's talk about the alpha waves because that was the biggest difference. 446 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,079 Now. Alpha waves are are are the waves that come off your brain 447 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:10,880 when you're pretty much relaxed. So when I was just thinking about one of 448 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,680 the images they showed me, and they showed me an image, I would 449 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:17,200 think about it and use my memory recall and I would do that, and 450 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,839 then I would see it with upsite. When I was in Upsite during the 451 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,640 alpha wave straight state, it blew up like Rudolph's nose. It just went 452 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,799 off the charts. It did it in all the other waves too, but 453 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:32,039 the alpha wave was the most obvious, it was the most unambiguous. Well, 454 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:33,680 it was just you'll see if you see the blog posts, it's just 455 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:38,359 like this big blue blob, like almost like a storm's coming. What was 456 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,279 funny about that. I thought it was going to be the theta waves because 457 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,039 that's what are associated with dreams. So I'm sitting there going into it, 458 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,759 like, you know what, the theta waves is going to be off the 459 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,680 charts because it's kind of like dreaming and I'm seeing the things that people dream, 460 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880 not the case. I mean, definitely they showed the difference, but 461 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,799 the alpha waves was the most. So that intrigued the scientists behind it too, 462 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,920 and obviously we wanted to do more science studies around the EEG waves. 463 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:05,759 But to your point about another type of technology seeing what you're talking about, 464 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,279 yeah, that's what my wife thinks. That's what my wife is so intrigued. 465 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,640 So she's like, you need to do this and you know, and 466 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,200 think about it. If there is some kind of technology. Again, I 467 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,720 don't have to be in a I don't have to wait for it to happen. 468 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:21,680 I could sit there, they could adjust whatever technology we use. I'm 469 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,039 like, okay, here's what I'm seeing. Are you getting it? You 470 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,920 know, we could kind of dial it in for lack of another words, 471 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,480 we could dial it in and see if we could come up. I don't 472 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,519 know what the technology is, but I think there's some things out there with 473 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:37,000 infrared, with flair, all these kind of things. Now to your point 474 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,839 about repeatability, you know, everyone says, can you teach this? I'm 475 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,400 like, I don't want to tell somebody I can teach something because I'm still 476 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,119 learning it. I'm starting to get comfortable with it. And to me, 477 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,359 it's like singing. I think everybody can do this to some degree. But 478 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,880 everybody is not Selene Deon, Everyone not Teller Swift, Everyone's not Frank Sinatra, 479 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,799 you know what I mean. Some people. Whatever I've I've got it 480 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,160 to some kind of nth degree. Now, I think if another person has 481 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,359 it like I do. Like I was saying earlier, I think if we're 482 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,079 in the same room, I truly believe we would be able to see the 483 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,720 same image because I do think it's outside of us. And I've got one 484 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,400 person I'm working with now. I don't know if we're going to get together 485 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,279 because kind of far away, but in time we will. And again, 486 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:23,759 I think that's one of the reasons I want to do this podcast. I 487 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:28,079 want to get people to come forward and say this because this woman said her 488 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,680 mind. She told this when she was kid her mom about it. She 489 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,119 goes, don't tell anyone that they'll think you're crazy. You know people, 490 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,279 and it makes sense. You don't want to be a odd ball freaking out. 491 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,640 And it's not only that, let's not kid ourselves. It is scary, 492 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:45,920 right. I've seen every horrible thing that one human being can do to 493 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,160 another in a holographic form. When it happens, I look away, just 494 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,960 like you'd look away from a video that was shocking. But on the flip 495 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200 side, I've seen beautiful things that you couldn't even imagine. That's open up 496 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,519 your heart and soul. You're like wow, So so there's a lot. 497 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,640 That's a lot, But I do think I don't I think it's I think 498 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,480 it's part of this earthly realm. That's what I want to say. I 499 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:13,639 think this is a new thing for us to explore. And just like when 500 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,159 you would go into a jungle or a forest, humans would go in there, 501 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:22,119 all these creatures would look at them right and and some of them would 502 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,840 pay attention and look back, but some of them would completely ignore them. 503 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,559 The ones that look back when I'm when I'm doing this upside, those are 504 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,159 the ones that intrigue me because sometimes they're scary, you know, Sometimes there's 505 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,039 an interaction and sometimes I'm like, look, I don't I don't want to 506 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,840 be a part of this. So again, I think there's other people that 507 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,920 are way doing it. Whether they're government, I don't know. I think 508 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,199 other people do things that I don't know about. But I haven't been invited 509 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,519 to any of that studies or anything. I'm paving my own way, my 510 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,239 own way, at least I'm trying to. I had a conversation with a 511 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,159 young lady at one of our retreats that we hosted just the other day, 512 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:12,039 and she opened up really vulnerably in front of everybody and shared her story and 513 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,800 it's and I sent her your interview today and she was very intrigued, but 514 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,840 She shared about these experiences she had when she was a kid of almost what 515 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,920 seemed to be like an alien abduction, being taken aboard some type of ship, 516 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,760 being laid on a table, maybe being worked on or implants or something 517 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:39,400 like that, but also other experiences where she's ascending and going into a star 518 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,400 or sitting on a star. And it's very strange because in your interview today 519 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,159 I heard you mentioned like both of those scenarios. Another vision that she had 520 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:55,480 that was super realistic, that she was almost like teleported back and seeing her 521 00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:02,119 living as Jesus walking on the beach and this really pure, beautiful energy that 522 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,519 was there. You know. So these weird night visions, if you will, 523 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:13,840 but they're more real than this realm. Some of them scary with alien 524 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,880 grays and being on the table, others of going into a star system. 525 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,119 She shared that, and and many people share those experiences with the realm that 526 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:30,199 I'm from. From more of a traditional Christian standpoint, people across the board 527 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,119 say those are demons. You need to pray shut it down immediately. It's 528 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,519 not good. What I represent is saying, hold on, we don't know, 529 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:46,039 you don't know that what if that's where we come from we're able to 530 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:52,559 and we're getting our DNA fixed. What if they're removing the trauma that this 531 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,880 world is causing and and we wasn't supposed to wake up and see what they 532 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,760 look like because we know they can appear as scary and it's not you know, 533 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,760 I'm not promoting any kind of like stuff like that, but it's just 534 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,360 to step back and not to judge it at first so that we can ask 535 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,519 questions. Because that's the deal. If you're in a scenario, even if 536 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:19,559 it's an elusive dream where none of it's literally happening, and you're going there 537 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,360 in this type of dimensional dream state and you don't panic, maybe the first 538 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,920 seventeen times you panic at you have the same And this is true with nightmares. 539 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:37,519 This is legit if you can poise yourself in the nightmare and not freak 540 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,840 out and stop running from the thing that's chasing you and stop and turn around 541 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,800 and say, hold on, who what are you to become lucid in the 542 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:53,559 dream? And now that now you're you're you're hacking it because the deceased relatives, 543 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:58,280 you can actually ask them questions. You can say, hold on, 544 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,440 I'm dreaming right now, let me go talk to the president, let me 545 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,800 go talk to the pharaoh. And the interesting thing is that people are bringing 546 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:14,119 back information. So with what the young lady is experiencing, what if this 547 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:21,000 is what's naturally she's experiencing and many people are experiencing. This is naturally what 548 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,880 people are have been writing about in holy books and in ancient tablets of these 549 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,119 so called psychic abilities or profits and seers of old being able to see what's 550 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:36,079 coming, or see behind behind the veil, or to will something and bring 551 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,239 it into this reality. Many places we can go with that, but I'll 552 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,159 let you take it. No, I think that's true. I think a 553 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,920 lot of people that anybody that says it's demons, go out of it, 554 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,800 you know, stop doing it. They're just that's what they've been told, 555 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,199 you know what I mean. And people hear that, But if you actually 556 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,840 had the experience, that's not the case. Sometimes well no it is the 557 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,559 case. But there's another part that keeps throwing you back. And I want 558 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,599 to say this to it. It's important. So before I was a Christian, 559 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,400 before I did this, I was a Christian. You know, you 560 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,480 sit there, well, do you think Jesus walked the Earth even more now, 561 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,519 even more now because I know how extraordinary this planet is and how extraordinary 562 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:20,679 God is. So it did not do anything to diminish my faith. In 563 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,679 fact, it made it stronger. Now. I'm not a really good Christian, 564 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,159 I don't going to church a lot, but I still have faith. 565 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:29,559 I still read the Bible, you know, and it did not at all. 566 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,719 And sometimes I see silhouettes and you know, of Jesus, and I 567 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,800 again, I'm just in awe. So so so let's talk about that. 568 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,840 You know, I think if you're taught to be afraid, you're going to 569 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:45,239 be afraid. If you if something happens to you, that's going to keep 570 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,599 from that. I don't know how you get past it. Faith something like 571 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,480 that. And if you don't want to look, that's your journey. Fine. 572 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,880 You know the bottom line, you know, do good love God like 573 00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:59,800 love God with your whole body, mind and soul. That's the key. 574 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,719 Do no harm, don't do any harm. If you think somebody is saying 575 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,840 that they're seeing demons, that's fine. Let them do their thing because they're 576 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,880 on their own journey. I don't think that's the case. Again. I 577 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,599 think just like in five hundred years ago. They thought if we Columbus was 578 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,440 going to sail off the edge of the planet right because demons were over there. 579 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:21,000 Didn't happen. I think what we're seeing is something that's here on Earth. 580 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,119 Maybe it's what we thought some spiritual thing beings were five hundred years ago. 581 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,719 Maybe it's the same thing. Maybe that's another realm. I don't know, 582 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,519 but I think we need to look. And I think the reason I 583 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:36,360 think we need to look is because there's some things here that can help humanity. 584 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:40,000 I am drawn to this in a very positive way. Nobody will. 585 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,159 I am drawn to this like a calling, like a spiritual calling. I'm 586 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:50,000 supposed to build a team and connect people because we need to look here because 587 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,440 there are answers here that will help all of humanity connect in better ways. 588 00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,599 You know, we've got AI over here, and people are scared of that. 589 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,199 I call this EI polutionary intelligence. There's something over here that is drawing 590 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,679 me that will help us. And that's what it feels that way. I 591 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,840 feel it in my heart. I feel it in my soul now when I 592 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,760 see the scary things, right, when I see these creatures that you read 593 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,840 about from aliens. A lot of times they'll just drift away. A lot 594 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,000 of times it's like this fake that it's like a it's like a mask and 595 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:27,039 it's and it's and it goes away. And there's another thing that happens too. 596 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,800 I'm tethered to God. I know, I've I feel my tether to 597 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,599 God. Let's call it a string for lack of another word. And I 598 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,280 know some of the some of the messages are so I know they're unfiltered, 599 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,400 and they're just amazing, you know what I mean, when you're in that 600 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,280 spiritual moment of bliss. But I also sometimes when I'm on that tether, 601 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,480 something can jump in and corrupt it with it like a corrupt file or a 602 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,880 corrupt message. So even though it's coming through this path that typically I think 603 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,719 is with God, you're like, wait, this is bs, this is 604 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,519 not good. And you know the Bible talks about Satan can get to you 605 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,000 the same way. So you know, you kind of built this filter, 606 00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,239 this discernment. That's the word, right, And if it's if it's not 607 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480 going to hurt anyone, if that's kind of a good sign, you know 608 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,840 what I mean, if it's gonna help everybody, not just most people, 609 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,639 but everybody. That's a good sign too. So I don't have it down 610 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:21,440 path, don't get me wrong, you know, I'm still working on it. 611 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,360 And and this is this is what I want to know. Where are 612 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,159 these Where are these holographic images coming from? Right, Derek? Where are 613 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,400 they coming from a spaceship? Are they coming from a black op government program 614 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,760 we know nothing about. Are they coming from future humans who've been able to 615 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,199 figure out how to send holographs to the past. Are they coming from part 616 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,079 of my DNA and know nothing about? Right? Are they coming from other 617 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,840 beings that live here there? I don't have any answer at all, and 618 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,920 that is really what I want to get. I think we can triangulate them 619 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,960 with the technology you're talking about, perhaps back to the source. Now that 620 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,320 would be mind blowing or would it be scary? Right? Could that be 621 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,760 another scary I don't know, but I want to try. Well, you 622 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,840 know, I think the answer is, which is not an answer. It's 623 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,679 all of those things. Yeah, good, No, all of those things 624 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:14,880 happening at the same time. And that's what makes it way more complicated if 625 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,400 you can because any of the just google any of those things you just said, 626 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,119 and you're gonna find schools of thought who said who say that it's only 627 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:27,679 those things? And what I found with religion and with God and with answers 628 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:32,039 when you move forward into this is the only thing or the only thing that's 629 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:37,480 happening that it is a government program that's sending voice of God technology and they're 630 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:42,519 putting thoughts in people's heads. There's people who they have one hundred percent chips 631 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,320 in that and that's the only thing that's happening in their reality. I'm not 632 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,599 saying that that that technology doesn't exist. They claim that it does, but 633 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,840 for that to be the only thing they learned it from something. So if 634 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:02,559 it is a government agency, they it's mimicked from a natural psychic phenomena that 635 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,239 has been here since since we got here, you know. And it would 636 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,320 be the same thing. For if you're saying that these things or these practices 637 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:20,119 are demonic, nothing is demonic. For what if it's a law or a 638 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:27,159 process of creating something or tapping in psychically energetically to somebody's what somebody's feeling, 639 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,960 putting thoughts in people's minds, whatever, they learned that from a place, 640 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:37,880 a place that was first good. So if demons or negative entities or negative 641 00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:44,920 people. Negative entities that are controlling people or organizations can use it for evil, 642 00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:50,599 then good people and good good entities can use it the same process for 643 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,159 good. Most of these things that we're talking about, these practices and stuff, 644 00:44:53,320 --> 00:45:00,559 they're tools your imagination to renew your mind because you've said you've seen beautiful 645 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,960 things and grotesque things, like so, like, how do we lean more 646 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,880 maybe to that which is beautiful when you know that there's a distinction, or 647 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,480 not be scared. So these are the things that we have to bring to 648 00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:22,039 the table and talk about so that we can have repeatability. It's with synchronicity, 649 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,960 is it? Is it? It's almost like, I don't know what 650 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,920 you want to call it, God, angels. Your psyche can only use 651 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:37,679 what you put in in there, like that what your consciousness understands from the 652 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:44,719 movies you've watched, because fear and that which is grotesque is different for me 653 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:49,199 and and you depending on the horror. I was a horror movie fanatic as 654 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,880 a kid, and I had nightmares. All kids have nightmares, I can 655 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,119 guarantee you they weren't like mine, you know, because of like at a 656 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,000 very young age, watching all of these crazy horror Now, my imagination has 657 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:08,119 a lot to choose from when it comes to show fear or show beauty. 658 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:14,239 Fear for some is falling off a bike in slow motion. Oh, it's 659 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,480 gonna hurt when I fall. For me, at a young age, it 660 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:21,719 was different. I learned how to lose a dream early because I wanted to 661 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:28,440 escape those nightmares that I was having that I allowed to come. So I 662 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:34,119 learned to work within some type of parameters of it being a thing. Hey, 663 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,679 I know I'm dreaming. I know there's a monster chasing me, and 664 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,800 I need to figure out how to wake up. I figured that out at 665 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,760 like before ten years old, from not reading any books any of that. 666 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:51,840 By hey, let me kill myself in my dream and I wake up and 667 00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,039 it would happen. I didn't want to be captured by the monsters and torment 668 00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:00,199 it. So I built a muscle to anytime I was having a dream that 669 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:04,599 wasn't pleasant to say, Okay, they're about to get you. You got 670 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,039 to wake up. And I couldn't wake up unless I killed myself, swam 671 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:14,320 to the bottom of the a river and drowned myself, or dove dove headfirst 672 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,400 into a rock usually and it would happen, and that was a practice, 673 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:22,840 so but it was used for evil. If you can go into the dream 674 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:30,039 and tap into it and know that you're dreaming, and how do we use 675 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,800 it for good? How do I go talk to somebody of some kind of 676 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:39,599 answer that I'm perplexed with in the waking hours. The studies that have shown 677 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:44,159 from people a lot smarter than me, that when you do face those fears 678 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:52,920 in the dream state, that you show that you've overcome obstacles in the when 679 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,199 you're when you're awake, and many times those dreams never, those nightmares never 680 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,159 come back. Once you stop running and you face it and you kind of 681 00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:07,079 get learned the lesson, it becomes a practice like Okay, yeah, I 682 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:10,360 don't need to take that test anymore. So a lot of this stuff that 683 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,239 we're seeing and experiencing, we get to I think, we get to pick 684 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,400 what we want to lean into, because just like you, like we talking 685 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,800 about a million thoughts per moment that that you know of endless scenarios that we 686 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,480 can lean into, the ones that make us feel good, the one that 687 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:35,119 has the best outcome for everybody, the one that where nobody gets hurt. 688 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:42,239 This is what's what's happening obviously in your imagination, but it's different when you 689 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,639 see it in you're experiencing it like it's real, because there's a difference there. 690 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:51,760 Because this is something you talked about too that leans into all of this, 691 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,760 is that it comes with a feeling, a feeling that can be measured. 692 00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:00,119 There's a reason why when you have those visions, it's your kids and 693 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:06,840 it's not just random people. There's a different feeling and emotion that is invoked 694 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:12,119 in your body that can be measured. That they can put EEG machines on 695 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,440 and test this, and you can there's all kinds of ways to test this. 696 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,400 This is where religion comes in the piece and all of this kind of 697 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,800 stuff. That it's a feeling that can be invoked in a person or a 698 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:31,800 people and can be harnessed and used as energy. Yeah, I know I'm 699 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,840 not. That's good. That's good. That's absolutely true. And then think 700 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,440 about this. The feeling was so this these non human intelligences that seem to 701 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,679 be around us. Right, this woman that you talked about who had chose 702 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,159 abducted, perhaps I was never abducted. There was no there's no part of 703 00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,719 my story where I felt like I was taken out of a room or anything 704 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,679 like that. But but but but looking back, I feel like I may 705 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,800 have been coheresd to le the family because I needed to be separated from them 706 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,039 and spend a month on Saint John's for some reason. There's a chapter in 707 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:12,079 my book where I built I literally built a map of a galaxy in their 708 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,039 room using ropes, strings, clothes. I drew pictures all hanging from a 709 00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,239 fan that the cleaning people were like, stay out of this crazy man's room, 710 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,960 Just stay out of there. And I was, you know again again 711 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,920 this time I was high a lot, but I was just doing something and 712 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,000 I don't know why I had to be away from the kids. So in 713 00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,880 the family, that's what it. I mean, looking back, that seems 714 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,400 to us when I was there, I was really sad. I was depressed. 715 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,840 I was all these things. But something was changing inside of me, 716 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,039 and so the feeling. So think about this. So now let's say it's 717 00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,159 a guy. Something happened where I had to go through this and everything break 718 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,760 so I could get my feelings back and realize that, Okay, you know 719 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:57,320 what, that's not a true thought, that's a feeling but I don't have 720 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,920 to own that feeling, you know what I mean? That's a lot. 721 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,519 This message is coming in this way, but I know it's bs and and 722 00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,639 again. So when you feel like it's kind of weird to say this, 723 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,119 but there's ten ways to be sad, there's ten ways to feel joy. 724 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,320 You know. That's how nuanced it is now. It's like almost I developed 725 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:22,519 this, this feelings filter, that's that's been amplified. I think people with 726 00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,960 autism might have something like this, you know what I mean, They can't 727 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,639 there, they get over stimulated. Something like that may have happened to me. 728 00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,920 I don't know, though, you know, but I know this. 729 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,320 My brain is different from where it started and where it is now. And 730 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,840 you talked about fractals earlier. When I came out of this, I was 731 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,079 obsessed with maths because there's no shape, topological space, manifold that I cannot 732 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,239 see in my field of vision and dissect and cut up. And it's extraordinary. 733 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,280 It is extraordinary. I've built this multi dimensional coordinate system that puts the 734 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,079 Cartesian coordinate system to shame. It is so complex. The math on it 735 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:07,639 is pretty basic undergraduate math, but the system itself is complex. Why was 736 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,840 I Why was I driven to create this thing? And it took years to 737 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,920 build it. It was like a gamification thing where I couldn't get to the 738 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480 next level of this thing until I got this one right. Then it was 739 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:20,159 the next one, and then it was the next one. Finally, a 740 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:22,800 couple of years ago, I was done and I was like and he literally 741 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,639 physically, I was like, Wow, this is done. Now what I 742 00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:29,360 haven't built it in real life. I have not created a software around it. 743 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,519 I'm very seriously thinking about doing it because it is next level cool. 744 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,599 But but there was a guy and then I'll be quite a minute, a 745 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:42,320 guy named Tenant, who was he was a Tenant, maybe Jeffrey Tennant. 746 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,760 He was knocked out, he was mugged. When he woke up, he 747 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,320 saw these fractals everywhere, you know, he just saw fractals. I think 748 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,760 I had this. I have something like that happened to me. But it 749 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,559 was fractals and beyond, you know what I mean. It's not just that 750 00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:57,440 I see the images of the people. It's almost like he knocked on the 751 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,079 windshield and cracked. I knocked on the windshield and it broke through. Something 752 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:06,239 like that. Maybe so the the idea of what you're vibing in and what 753 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,039 you're putting out there. You know, there's there's the what's the word? 754 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,760 If you what's it? Just it's a bland feeling, you know what I 755 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,320 mean, just kind of facts, right, It's just the basic math has 756 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,480 got no feelings. It just is right. And that's interesting because a lot 757 00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:22,920 of the stuff I want to do is got no feeling. It's just something 758 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,760 that is. I want to see it because I'm curious and it's interesting to 759 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,559 my brain. Now, sure it intrigues me and there's a curiosity around it, 760 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:36,960 so I certainly that's a feeling. But but anyway, I'll stop on 761 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,119 that one. H Man, It's so many places to go. But like 762 00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:44,960 you said, it feel like you're so you say you feel like it's it's 763 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,679 your calling, right, this is your calling. So a calling denotes that 764 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,119 someone is calling out to you. And I think it's the you know, 765 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:58,480 getting to the bottom of who or what. And maybe it's not even just 766 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,480 one thing, you know, maybe there are bad things calling us. Obviously 767 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,679 it seems easier to hear their voices. Maybe to hear those voices, all 768 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,440 we gotta do is turn on the television, you know, and maybe it 769 00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:13,280 is separating yourself and turning the television off that you can get clear on the 770 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,920 still small voice that is speaking as well, which obviously is you know, 771 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,320 biblically, always Jesus speaking amongst the crowd. That's always the voice of reason, 772 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,000 the voice of love, the voice of hope that I think if we 773 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:29,800 listen close enough, we can hear it. So when it comes to people 774 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,360 having these same experiences, you know, we can. We can choose what 775 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,000 voices we obey. You know, I'm hearing voices. What are they telling 776 00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:43,360 you? What are they telling you? You know, saying if it's God, 777 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239 God told me this, God told me that. Okay, what told 778 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,920 you? What? Good? Bad? You know? Told you you are 779 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,079 the Messiah that come on. Like we got to look at the fruit of 780 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,920 it to see if if you should lean into it or if you should stop 781 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,519 listening. And by voice we can just say imagination, you know, it's 782 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:07,920 showing itself to you. However, I mean, I'm getting these messages like 783 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,719 in my inbox from people all the time. Somebody asked me just three days 784 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:20,599 ago, uh, do you have any videos on schizophrenia in the spirit world? 785 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,519 So well, I don't have any any directly about that, but I've 786 00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:27,800 talked about it in many episodes, right, but there's no you know, 787 00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:32,199 blog or just video to it. But I told them this, and maybe 788 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:38,119 you can attest a little bit that what I've seen from starting out in a 789 00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:45,199 psychosist that was in the negative. I'll say that my introduction to this was 790 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:52,679 witchcraft, which it wasn't drugs like I smoked pot or whatever. But I 791 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,880 was a teenager doing witchcraft and seance ritual, was trying to open myself up 792 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,480 to demonic forces or any force outside of myself. And it happened that I 793 00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:08,760 was taking into portals and showing crazy stuff at their will. I couldn't turn 794 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,199 it off and on. It was always scary, crazy swirls, shapes, 795 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,719 faces, seventeen voices at once talking to me, I would go pale. 796 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,760 I would fall into a trance and this would happen at fifteen and it was 797 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:28,079 torment. I was going schizophrenic. I opened up some kind of gateway communication 798 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:36,000 portal that I couldn't close, so psychic abilities from zero two one thousand, 799 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,360 not even one hundred, I knew everybody's thoughts in a room walking to a 800 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,800 room, Oh my, And it's so overwhelming that I couldn't look at anybody. 801 00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:45,519 I knew what they were thinking, I knew what they did. I 802 00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,239 knew what you had for dinner. I knew you just got into it with 803 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:55,039 your husband in walking into a McDonald's. This was like psychosist that I was 804 00:56:55,159 --> 00:57:00,840 at rock bottom at fifteen years old by making covenants with demons, if you 805 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,880 will. And so I got into church. I repented. You know, 806 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,920 my health started to go downhill and all this kind of stuff. I got 807 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,880 my life back on track. Took a long time, long, hard road 808 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:20,760 to retrain my brain. But let me let me just hang out here a 809 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,119 little bit in that psychosis. Let me give you a few more things believing 810 00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:31,199 a thousand percent scenarios were real. The one thing that I talked about was 811 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:37,199 what I called the spirit of hypochondria. Was that any ailment that I heard 812 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:44,719 on the television through the waves, just channel surfing, and I remember just 813 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:52,960 a couple vividly brain cancer like someone said it on television, and I believed 814 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,639 that a thousand percent as soon as they said, oh I got brain cancer. 815 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,800 Oh man. Another one was testicular cancer. Like all of these from 816 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,519 someone else saying it, and it stuck to me like glue, and it 817 00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:09,000 was negative and it was like this overwhelming I'm gonna die of brain cancer. 818 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:10,920 I've got it, I know it. That's why that pain is in my 819 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,079 head. And it was just at will you would hear it, and there 820 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:19,480 was like no defense. There was no wall of reasoning to block it out 821 00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,400 or to say, come on, that guy has it not you? You 822 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,239 know this kind of thing, and so it was. It was, I 823 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,760 mean, that's what a hypochondriact is. There was nothing in my brain to 824 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:37,519 block it out, to reason it. And while I was in that psychosis 825 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:42,440 for the period of time I was in, it was all scary dark stuff. 826 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,039 It was, you know, visions of my death and demons were coming 827 00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:50,320 to get me and all of that kind of stuff that people experience on meth 828 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,079 binges and stuff like that. You know. I say all that to say 829 00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,599 that was if I had a chart, which I do, you know, 830 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,400 maybe we all start out at zero. And let's say I got to that 831 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,199 place at negative three. Me tapping into this stuff that I was looking into 832 00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:15,280 put me at level negative three. So I'm already three steps back into the 833 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,519 dark side, into the the you know, the negative side, experiencing all 834 00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:25,440 of this crazy stuff. And then now that was over twenty years ago, 835 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,320 removed. I'm in a beautiful state of mind and life and God and Christ 836 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,719 and that which is good and fixing myself and trying my best to help others. 837 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:44,960 Like now, but the psychosis is back. The psychosis is still. 838 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,400 It's back, like I trained to get it, to get it out, 839 00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:59,559 but it's here now. I experienced synchronicity. I experienced the beautiful side of 840 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,079 it, where not God and the demons or trying to get me no, 841 01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:07,000 but that they are real and they're here to help me. They're here to 842 01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:15,840 you know, signs and symbols. See signs everywhere you say something and then 843 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:21,280 the television repeats it like that was happening in the negative psychosis. But it 844 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,000 was like you're gonna die, you got cancer. It was all demonic lower 845 01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:28,719 stuff. Now it's like, hey, call your mother, Hey, ask 846 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,559 this person to forgive you, Hey, do this, Like it's all beautiful 847 01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:38,559 things that everybody. Not so many people are experiencing secrenicities at an all time 848 01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,480 high. The numbers that are sticking out to you, all of this stuff. 849 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,320 It's happening. But so what I'm suggesting is that what was available for 850 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,559 me just at my meter at negative three, and then I work my way 851 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:57,400 back to zero and now I'm working up into tapping into this stuff the good 852 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:04,960 way that they come circle. So those same type of psychosis that you're in 853 01:01:05,239 --> 01:01:09,159 because you're you're experiencing a reality that that nobody else is. You think now 854 01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:16,239 you it's the difference between paranoia and pronoia. That's that's literally it. Paranoia 855 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:22,239 is that God, the universe is out to get you. Everyone is out 856 01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,920 to get you. And if you think that, you believe it, you 857 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:31,360 dwell upon it. It becomes your reality. And now pronoia is God, 858 01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:39,559 the universe, everything is here to assist and to help us in this journey. 859 01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:43,000 Yeah, not Messiah complex. We're like, no, no, no, 860 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,800 not at all there for me. But but yeah, so we're experiencing 861 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,719 this stuff and obviously it can be experienced for good energy or for bad. 862 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:59,159 And you know, the balance is the key to not drink your own kool 863 01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:02,440 aid, which is turns into the Messiah complex. But those types of psychic 864 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:09,960 abilities, if you will esp precognition, prophetic dreams, A lot of the 865 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,679 stuff. You're talking about being able to see, Like, I am friends 866 01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:19,880 with so many people and have been a part of communities that practice it that 867 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,719 way. But they look at people and they get the messages and they see 868 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:29,519 snakes around the feet, chains on their shoulders that are heavy, and so 869 01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:32,320 they pray for them or go and even remove it off of them, like 870 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,440 spiritually reach out and grab it and take the chains off and throw it down, 871 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,159 and then the person starts crying and they can feel it. It's like, 872 01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:45,920 hold on, there's something to these dreams and visions that are in the 873 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,920 spirit world that represents something in the physical. Yeah, that was great. 874 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,239 That was a great description of the paranoid of the pronoid. And that's yeah, 875 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,719 and that's my story too, no kidding, that's literally my story too, 876 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,079 because that's why I walk down to the family. That's why I walk 877 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,159 down in the business, because I was paranoid, and I believe just like 878 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,480 you some thought it, you believe it, you take action on it. 879 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,880 Now these things and then I write about this instance in the book, an 880 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,840 instance of synchronicity that was so mind blowing that I fell to my knees because 881 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,159 I was listening to the song Blinded by the Light by Bruce Springsteen. Right, 882 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:23,760 I'm listening to the song, and every piece of everything around me was 883 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,039 related to the song. So imagine like you used to have to block a 884 01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,199 movie to get the moments and the song. So the beats hit and stuff. 885 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,280 This happened like for like thirty seconds of the song. Everything that happened 886 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,840 to. Truck drove by with something on the side related to the song. 887 01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:42,719 A man literally picked up something put over shoulder. I was almost in tears, 888 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,400 and I thought people at then, I thought people were making fun of 889 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,840 me and mocking me, like anybody can watch me, and they're making fun 890 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:52,079 of me, and with these powerful people are beings. Now I look back, 891 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,360 I'm like, hold on, that was a sign to let you know, 892 01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:00,400 forget paranoia. There's a way the universe can help you. I'm showing 893 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,239 you this now because you only it's almost like we're kind of dumb, like 894 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,400 a dumb animal. Right, you need to see the negative to understand that 895 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,960 there's a flip side of that too. But like you, the universe is 896 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,119 definitely showing me things. Now do I want to pay attention to those things? 897 01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:17,119 That's the key? Am I open enough? Do I trust myself enough 898 01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:21,079 to trust the universe that's going to give me. What is it? My 899 01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:24,920 need is a god's need. I don't know if it feels right. You 900 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,360 know, I do think we have free will. I do. I think 901 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,440 we have free will. And all of us have different parameters. Where some 902 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,519 of us are. You know, we'll do more things bad than others, 903 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,440 however we want to do. Some people do more good. Some people will 904 01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:40,800 volunteer more. Some people have more business sense, some people are smarter, 905 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,480 stronger. But but we have free will. And if there's somebody listening to 906 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,760 this, I want to say this right now because it's important. If you're 907 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,800 at a bottom and you're listening to the show to get some guidance, I'm 908 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,960 telling you you can come back. If you are at a negative three and 909 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,559 you're outside of psych ward and you're taking ahead of math right now, there 910 01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:01,599 is a way back, and you can put it down and you can get 911 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:05,480 clean, and you can build back to things and it can be better. 912 01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:09,400 Whether you believe it or not, I'm telling you it's true. If it 913 01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:12,960 happened for me, it can happen for you. Because I didn't think there 914 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:14,880 was going to be a way back. You know I did not. I 915 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,400 think I mean not only drug addict, but psychotic drug addict. Sure, 916 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:23,719 And I'm cleaning sober, and I have these amazing thoughts. You know again, 917 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,559 you just said a great description. The universe is helping me. It's 918 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,360 connected us, Derek. The universe, for whatever reason, is connected us. 919 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,320 And you said some things that I needed to hear to say today, 920 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:38,119 which we're good. I love the way you put it. And I'm talking 921 01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:41,639 to somebody else. This is what's so funny about the connection. I'm literally 922 01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,639 talking to somebody else about synchro in the city. I have a phone call 923 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,840 with them, a zoom call with them tomorrow to talk about the same time 924 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,519 thing. We're like, how can the universe could be guiding us to this 925 01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:53,719 path? It seems like should we trust this? It's like why not? 926 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,599 Why not trust? The good things are going to happen, you know? 927 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,760 But last absolutely is nobody again, do no harm, don't hurt you know 928 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,360 what I mean? The love thing, right, don't don't. It's like 929 01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:06,840 the universe is telling me to steal this money because no, it's not that's 930 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:12,880 not that's not right. That's probably not a good thing to do. So 931 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,199 yeah, that was good. That was good, and I think let me 932 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,920 let me ask you this, so I know you gave the scenario for the 933 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,599 song that you heard that was like you interpreted as you know, an attack 934 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,519 or this you know, mockery or that it was negative you know when you 935 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:32,880 started. Now are you having those experiences now where the song or the television 936 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,079 or whatever is telling you this time message is like, hey, I'm on 937 01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:41,079 the right track. This is like encouraging now and this is bringing me peace 938 01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,480 or a tear to my eye, letting me know that I'm you know whatever, 939 01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,440 loved by God through Yes. So let's let's I'm gonna do the most 940 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,719 literal simple thing. So let's just sit and sitting there, God give me 941 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,280 a sign. Let's se if I want to get this direct, God give 942 01:06:54,280 --> 01:07:00,480 me a sign that I should, I should do something. And then literally 943 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,559 there will be a truck or a billboard that says, God says, follow 944 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:11,400 your dreams, just do it. Yeah, exactly right right then in that 945 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,559 moment. And it can even be that's a broad one. It could be 946 01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:17,280 so specific, you know, it should it would be something should I let's 947 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,280 say about specific. Should I go see my son and I'll think of his 948 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,000 name tomorrow and there'll be a billboard with his name on it and says said, 949 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:28,760 you know something like that. It's that specific. So I totally believe 950 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,280 it, and I do believe it's God, the universe guide to me. 951 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,719 I don't believe it. I know it because I see it and I feel 952 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:40,000 it. That's the key. I feel it. There's extra physical that we 953 01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:45,840 are connected to the people's skeptics and and you know whatever, skeptics don't want 954 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,719 to believe in. But it's nonsense. It's like, it's nonsense. You 955 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,679 did it's nonsense. I don't know, it's just it is nonsense. There's 956 01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:56,440 so much more come on. It's almost like it's these people that say this. 957 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,840 Here, I'll use this example. They're like, well, how can 958 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,280 you be getting these things from the universe. Listen, we have radio waves, 959 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:09,000 Wi Fi, Bluetooth going through the universe from one technology to another. 960 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,440 Right when it's traveling, you don't see it. When it lands you, 961 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,560 it's interpreted. We are picking up these signals from the universe, and I 962 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,439 don't again, I don't know where they're coming from. Some are good, 963 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,800 some are bad, Some may be man made, some may be non human 964 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:27,479 intelligence. Some may be God. But it's kind of fun when it happens 965 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,479 where I am now, it's fun. It was not fun twelve years ago. 966 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,680 I can promise you that being on this journey feels good because I know 967 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,399 I'm doing it for the right reasons. You know, I'm and again, 968 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:41,920 it's just right. What's that there's not enough hours in the day, right, 969 01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:45,359 right? Exactly? I want. I know people have upsight vision to 970 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,079 some degree, they have the psychic ability, and I don't want to be 971 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:51,239 afraid of it. And yeah, that's it again, that's what That's what 972 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,840 I want to say. That's why I wanted to talk to And there's science 973 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,279 behind it too. That's the other thing for the skeptics. There's science behind 974 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,880 it. It's not just something I think think I'm doing. I'm absolutely doing 975 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,439 it. I went to ions, they did it, and more tests can 976 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,760 be done, you know. I want to get a bigger data set. 977 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,359 I want to get twelve off, maybe not twelve, a handful of us 978 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,119 out there, and then I think other universities are going to want to read. 979 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:15,720 Imagine once this is out there, another university is gonna say, okay, 980 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,920 let's duplicate this in another lab. Sign me up, find me to 981 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,680 France, put me in up in a five star hotel and send me to 982 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,680 your lab and I'll do this all day long. Yeah, there's a lot 983 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,640 of beautiful things that you've brought to the table. And what people are, 984 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,680 you know, bringing to the table because of your work, because you're having 985 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,800 the conversation and bringing and bringing different pieces of the puzzle. And that's the 986 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,840 beautiful thing. And I think that you know, I mean, you've you've 987 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,920 already you've already done it for me, you know, listening to you speak 988 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:51,600 and hopefully vice versa. Well, let me let me let me say this 989 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,880 so again with like being able to practice, that's a that's a big thing. 990 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,319 I'm seeing that consistency. Like I'm a student of the Bible. That's 991 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,920 my that's my book, you know. But I read all the Holy Text 992 01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:08,600 and I find the similarities and they're all saying the same thing, just using 993 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:14,479 different languages. It is what it is. But there's these instances where these 994 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:19,880 miracle workers are trained up on how to do something. And it's a miracle 995 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:27,319 because the science isn't understood by the masses. It is a person who has 996 01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,960 separated themselves Moses goes into the desert. God comes to him, speaks to 997 01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:34,840 him, begins to train him and talk to him through everything around him, 998 01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,920 and he trains him on how to do certain things, how to move water, 999 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,840 how to hit rocks, and to do like to work with energy and 1000 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,520 spirits. Right. But one of those things about that is that he allowed 1001 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:55,800 him to practice because there was there was an instance in an Exodus where God 1002 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,720 tells Moses to take a staff, throw it at the ground, and I'm 1003 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,319 going to teach you how to turn your staff into a serpent or a dragon, 1004 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,880 That's what it says. So he throws it at the ground, and 1005 01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:11,600 his staff becomes this serpent, and it it morphs, and it changes forms, 1006 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,439 and it scares the heck out of Mosus so much so that he runs 1007 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,439 away screaming. This is what the Bible says. He runs away screaming, 1008 01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,760 oh my God, this little man like we don't know if it was a 1009 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:28,239 three foot tall reptilian being he summoned, or literally a little dragon or a 1010 01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:32,880 snake or whatever. There's some crocodile, but it scared him so much so 1011 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,520 that he ran. God comes to him, speaks to him, says, 1012 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,680 hey, I need you to do this again, because what I'm training you 1013 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,920 for You're not going to be able to run. You need to stay in 1014 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,319 your ground and make eye contact with the people who claim to be the best 1015 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,319 magicians of you know, in the land, which was Pharaoh. I'm training 1016 01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:55,840 you so that when you're doing this in front of Pharaoh, you can look 1017 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,399 him dead in the eye. Throw your staff down. It turns into this 1018 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,960 little dragon and you don't even battery. Everybody's freaked out, but you're confident. 1019 01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,560 I want you to. I want you to work with this in private 1020 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:13,720 so that I can show my power in you in the public right. So 1021 01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:21,239 that denotes this universal principle that God is teaching his children these things, and 1022 01:12:21,319 --> 01:12:28,159 it's also given them the permission to fail and practice so that they can get 1023 01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:32,720 better at it. With these little church groups and functions that I used to 1024 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:39,159 go to were training and the prophetic, and there was many exercises that they 1025 01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:42,399 developed and that we would do, and that they wrote books on it, 1026 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:46,199 and they tried it because sometimes it would work, other times it wouldn't. 1027 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:51,199 But those who were willing to practice and had the grace to mess up and 1028 01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:55,680 not be judged or condemned to beat up about it. They could try it 1029 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,079 again and say, Okay, that didn't work that time, and let me 1030 01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,800 try it this way. Maybe as I have to see it, actually see 1031 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,520 it, and then maybe I have to generate a feeling, and then the 1032 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,600 feeling gives it life. I don't know, but they would be able to 1033 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:12,479 do little things as far as like go two people would go park at different 1034 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,840 places in the city and they would have to kind of remote view and see 1035 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:23,720 the image where their friend was and drive in their vehicle to go to the 1036 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,479 location to find them. And they would show up at a park or they 1037 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,039 would see things around and they would get good at it. And these were 1038 01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:33,680 Christians. This is something that was pastors and ministers were doing because they read 1039 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:39,640 about Jesus and Moses and the disciples operating in such gifts if you will, 1040 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,680 that they thought that they can do it, and they got good at it. 1041 01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:49,000 So this practicing is something that needs to be done, and I think 1042 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,840 we can look back at those examples and try it today. So I wanted 1043 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:59,520 to try something out with you and with the listeners. People listening, people 1044 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,960 driving uh, sitting around wherever they are. I am thinking of a number 1045 01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:09,600 between one and nine. It's a single digit number. I'm looking at it, 1046 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,840 I'm saying it to myself, and it's okay to mess up. It's 1047 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:23,279 okay to get it wrong. But what I would ask is what number do 1048 01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:27,479 you see? The first thing you either heard or saw, because just as 1049 01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,319 you're seeing this right, other people can hear it, and then other people 1050 01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:36,199 have to close their eyes and they see this number. Do you have? 1051 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,880 Do you want to take a shot? Yeah? Nine, that's why shot 1052 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:48,800 nine. Okay, it wasn't nine, it wasn't nine. But it's okay 1053 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:55,239 to mess up because that's how we practice. Yeah, So can I talk 1054 01:14:55,239 --> 01:14:58,319 about that? Can I say something about that? Because you have the number 1055 01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:01,720 the numbers too, I don't know. We're trying to get the science. 1056 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,159 Let's talk about that a big deal. So I'm glad you did this. 1057 01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:11,000 I'm so glad you did this because I get asked about this all the time, 1058 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,880 and I even do try to do it with my wife and we get 1059 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,319 sometimes that we don't. And again, I saw the number nine. I 1060 01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:24,119 didn't even see I kind of, I mean, I don't get me. 1061 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:26,399 I tried to dial in with you, but I saw the number nine. 1062 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,720 I don't know why it will work and why it won't. I do know 1063 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,239 this. It seems to work better if I am in a physical location with 1064 01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:38,680 them, or maybe if it's rubbed off even some kind of contact with them. 1065 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,239 I'm gonna tell this story. The other day. I was in an 1066 01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:45,880 office building with a guy who wanted to learn about this, and we were 1067 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,840 going to the office and he goes, can you do an example of upsite 1068 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,319 vision. I said, I'll do it, but it's gonna be meaningless. 1069 01:15:51,399 --> 01:15:54,880 I mean, I said, it's more likely you're not gonna understand what's going 1070 01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,119 on and you're just gonna say, well, that's weird. But I will 1071 01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:00,600 do it to show you what it is. Right, So I did it. 1072 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,000 I turned my head and I'm like, okay, this is what I'm 1073 01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:05,239 seeing. And I told him I was seeing a brand new sports car on 1074 01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:09,039 the showroom floor and I'm like, look, I don't know what it means. 1075 01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:12,840 It means nothing to me. He literally pulls out his phone and he 1076 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,479 says, I just bought a sports car. See, so I don't know. 1077 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:23,680 I'm not I have not practiced that ability. Because I haven't practiced I 1078 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,520 play with it, so there's difference between practicing and playing. I play with 1079 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,000 that. I play with pre COG, I play with remote viewing, I 1080 01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:33,680 play with tempath, play with tempathy, telepathy and all those things. I 1081 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:39,000 play with those things. But my goal is I don't play with upsight because 1082 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,000 I can do it so specifically. I can do that one of the time. 1083 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,319 As it relates to those other abilities, it's less so. So my 1084 01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:53,239 my thing is, let's study exactly what this is and then we can apply 1085 01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:58,680 it to remote viewing, then we can apply it telepathy. That's where that's 1086 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,159 where I am. And I obviously I thought about this a lot. You 1087 01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:03,760 know, I think remote view, remote view. Of course, it's real. 1088 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,840 Of course it's real. How can it not be real? I mean, 1089 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,199 nobody make I mean, do you think it was just some imagination? 1090 01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:14,800 These people doing it? You think the government is you know, paying, 1091 01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:16,359 I don't know who they're doing with. Some guys in the army or in 1092 01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:19,800 the CAIA where they're they're doing this because it doesn't work. No, they're 1093 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,079 doing it because it works. Other countries know this. They just don't talk 1094 01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:29,359 about it because it's probably smarter to not talk about it from the military perspective, 1095 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,840 and it's probably smarter to everyone thinks it's not you know what I mean, 1096 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,680 it's not. You can't do it because they want to keep it a 1097 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,920 secret. And even the same thing with religions, Derek, you know these 1098 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:44,239 religions. Imagine if the religious leaders, I mean Jesus talked about this, 1099 01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:48,119 they're bad, right? Were all the congregants to know that the leaders are 1100 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,680 bad. I'm not saying they are, but it's like the worst thing they 1101 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:55,880 want. So I don't know, it's it's I don't know. It's interesting. 1102 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,920 So you have to be able to fail. You have to be able 1103 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:01,560 to fail. And I love the way you looked at that, and I 1104 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,640 love that we did it. Let's do another thing I wanted. Can I 1105 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,960 do something? Yeah? Yeah, all right, okay, so all right, 1106 01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:12,840 great, let's do this. I'm gonna do an upside vision right now, 1107 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,840 and I'm going to describe it to you right so, for whoever's listening, 1108 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,840 driving in a car or at home, whatever, I'm going to relate 1109 01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,199 to this, it may relate to what we're talking, Derek and I are 1110 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:27,279 talking about, but in fact may relate to you sitting at home in the 1111 01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:30,760 kitchen table, watching your child play with blocks and If it does, you 1112 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,039 can say, wow, that was amazing, and if it doesn't, no 1113 01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:36,159 big deal. So here we go. I'm going to tell you what I'm 1114 01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:48,359 seeing right now with upside vision. It is, in fact, it's it's 1115 01:18:48,359 --> 01:18:51,000 a it's not a race car. It's a drag racer. You know those 1116 01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:56,079 drag racers, the short ones. It's a drag race that's literally what I'm 1117 01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:59,319 saying. One of those pointy drag racing cars. And it's got it's up 1118 01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:01,319 on its back wheel and the back wheels are spinning. That's it now. 1119 01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:06,279 Obviously that was probably suggested on my part when I was talking about the other 1120 01:19:06,319 --> 01:19:10,079 sports car, which was not a drag race car, was a car, 1121 01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,359 you know, for the street. But so I don't know what it means 1122 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,520 right, I don't know if somebody actually can you imagine if somebody's listening to 1123 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,119 this literally working on drag race car, they're gonna be like, holy shit, 1124 01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:20,960 that's I mean, that's just wild. So let us know in the 1125 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,720 comments. Yeah, for sure, if it's happening anything to anyone, or 1126 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,439 even if you're thinking, if you were thinking, I mean, if you 1127 01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,680 were thinking I'm going to do this this weekend or something or talking to a 1128 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,720 loved one about it. It's just wild how this works. It's a connection 1129 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:41,640 to something and it's to show us there's so much more than this physical realm, 1130 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,479 and it's important and it's meaningful and it can help us navigate life and 1131 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,560 make it easier for us and our loved ones. That's the key, man, 1132 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,600 That is the key. Life is hard. I mean, life is 1133 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,960 hard, you know, and it's getting harder. It's just it's hard. 1134 01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:00,680 So anything that can make take a little bit easier, I'm all for it, 1135 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:06,119 you know. I again with with the Bible stuff or you know, 1136 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:13,840 spirituality and things like that, I really teach on divination, but from a 1137 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:18,000 biblical sense mainly. I use that word a lot because there's a shock value 1138 01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:23,079 to it because people, you know, have been taught to demonize divination because 1139 01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:27,159 demons are the first thing that come to them. But prayer is a form 1140 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:32,600 of divination, fasting doing something in the physical or perceiving something in the in 1141 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:38,560 the physical to get results from the spirit world, including God and angels. 1142 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,880 I mean, that's the that's the definition of of divination, as one who 1143 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,960 is able to divine, even a watered uh diviner, a person is able 1144 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,520 to use their body and tell where water is, even underground, divining rods 1145 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,800 where they're trained to use these rods and the rods move a certain type of 1146 01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:00,560 way. Literally people able to find water underground. So divine. But there's 1147 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:09,119 so many amazing like so many ways that are in the Bible, but also 1148 01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:14,279 every other ancient text and practice as well. Talk about some really cool stuff. 1149 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:19,840 But I define it in a sense where it's the sense of God is 1150 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:26,640 always talking. You're just getting good at hearing the voice of God that is 1151 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:34,439 speaking through everything or through the different languages. There's a saying that says nothing 1152 01:21:35,119 --> 01:21:49,640 cannot not communicate. Nothing cannot not communicate, which implies everything is always communicating. 1153 01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:57,479 It's saying something your ability to speak the language and to hear because it 1154 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:04,920 is one of your words. Nonverbal. It is nonverbal communication because it doesn't 1155 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:11,880 speak English, or it doesn't use words. It uses thoughts, impressions. 1156 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:18,840 Ideas babies communicate. They don't use words. They cry. You talked about 1157 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:24,640 it. One of your visions. You kept seeing a wheel fall off on 1158 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:32,159 a shopping cart. Squeaky. The squeaky wheel is communicating it needs oil or 1159 01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:38,960 it's going to fall to fall off your Your stomach communicates and lets you know 1160 01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:45,880 when it's such rumbling that it's it's hungry. Everything is always communicating through vibration, 1161 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:51,680 which which words are vibration, So it's learning how to interpret and speak 1162 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:58,720 the language that uses no words. This is something that is very ancient that 1163 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:04,279 we have forgotten about that it's obviously coming back in one shape or form that 1164 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,640 something's this is what I say about synchronicity. Something is trying to get our 1165 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:19,439 attention. Something or some one agreed. Do you still have that ability to 1166 01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:25,399 to know if sony enters a room whether they're bad or good or do you 1167 01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:30,760 still have that? Yeah? But it's a there's levels to it because some 1168 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,520 people are great at masking if they're bad or good. There's a certain you 1169 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:41,800 know, energy that we can read that even children can pick up right that 1170 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:47,479 people like children just are scared or repulsed by certain people, and people don't 1171 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:53,600 know why you're able to pick up something. But what I'm learning now now 1172 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:59,720 forty years into this life, is that there's people that are good at masking 1173 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:04,159 that energy and not not allowing you to see that they're bad because you like 1174 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:09,720 being like a good judge of character for just a common thing. Yeah, 1175 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,119 but a good a good evil person who's good at it. You know that 1176 01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:18,039 you're bad, you know, No, it's fine. The reason I thought 1177 01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:20,680 about that when you were telling about McDonald's, you to say all the thoughts 1178 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:25,920 were coming at you. Since I've come out of this, it's not a 1179 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,840 thought, it's it's a feeling. It's almost like a smell. It's not 1180 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,600 a smell either, but you get what my point is. I've had come 1181 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,720 across two people who have been in my presence that I knew they were evil 1182 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,000 and have done They've murdered people. I had a guy sitting next to me 1183 01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:43,680 at an AA meeting and I was like, and this guy was talking like, 1184 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,239 oh I love this. I'm like, this guy is literally there might 1185 01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:48,880 even be a body in his car. He was so evil, right, 1186 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,640 he was saying this other thing. And another time I was at a GNC 1187 01:24:53,399 --> 01:24:55,600 and the man that was helping me, I was like, this was a 1188 01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,159 different he was. I don't know if he was like a child molester or 1189 01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:02,199 he had somebody same kind of things. He was doing evil things, and 1190 01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:05,600 those both terrified me. And I've told my wife that every time it happens, 1191 01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,239 which has only happened twice two times in a dozen years. And she's 1192 01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:11,880 like, Tom, you need to think about that. That's pretty good statistics 1193 01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,720 that people are good. You know, You've come across a lot of people 1194 01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,039 in twelve years. And I like the way she thinks about it. But 1195 01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:20,000 my point is that ability is scary because what can you do with that, 1196 01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:25,319 you know, because I don't know. You know, it's not like you 1197 01:25:25,359 --> 01:25:27,960 want to get You're not going to go to the cops and say, this 1198 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,159 guy's sitting next to me, I think he killed people. No, they're 1199 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,279 not going to do anything. It's just weird. And it was so fleeting 1200 01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:34,399 too, it's like you to follow up on it. But I was wondering 1201 01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:39,359 if you have that ability still, yeah, for sure, And I'm with 1202 01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:41,920 you. It's like, okay, what do we you know, what do 1203 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,880 we do with it? And with things that you don't know how or what 1204 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,039 to do with it? So the easy thing or the first thing that because 1205 01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:53,359 a lot of people get that and you don't know what to do with it, 1206 01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:56,560 do you confront them whatever the case is. You know, we're you 1207 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,399 know, we were taught to pray for them first of all, like pray 1208 01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,159 for them, or pray for the victim, pray for the people to start, 1209 01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:10,359 just just start there, because that that prayer is is you know, 1210 01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:14,720 it's invoking something in you. So when when you're praying, then you may 1211 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:19,199 get more because we're all getting these We're all getting these feelings. I'll tell 1212 01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:21,880 you right now, Like a lot of things that Elon Musk is doing I 1213 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:26,960 thought about as a child. Stuff that he's doing, neurolink, all this 1214 01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:30,960 kind of stuff like being able to put helmets on and have the same dreams 1215 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,520 and go into each other's visions. Like we've been seeing this stuff as a 1216 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:40,039 child. So it's it's in the air, this energy, this information. 1217 01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:43,079 Some people call it the Acostic and the Bible. It's called the Book of 1218 01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:47,960 Life. It's it records the deeds and every thought and every infinite possibilities exist 1219 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,439 that we can that that trickles down to us and we can pick up on 1220 01:26:53,640 --> 01:27:01,199 these thoughts and energies and information. It's I'm experiencing it right now in a 1221 01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:10,600 form where like it was kind of scary because I know all of this wild 1222 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:15,319 ancient wisdom of how the spirit realm works, and I study this stuff and 1223 01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:21,560 I'm into it and it's my life. But it shifted and took like a 1224 01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:27,720 a crazy turn, probably almost two years ago now where it like it got 1225 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,359 real, like it's all beautiful though, and I'm just writing and writing and 1226 01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:33,640 writing and stuff. It's just pouring out of me. It's a form of 1227 01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:41,079 like automatic writing, but it's insights on the Bible and so much ancient text, 1228 01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:44,720 and it's a form of psychosis because now here I am, I don't 1229 01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:49,720 have I can't cite sources to me as the experiencer. I'm making it up. 1230 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,079 And I gotta be honest with myself on how I feel. I believe 1231 01:27:54,079 --> 01:27:58,359 it one thousand percent. It's all good. But I'm like, man, 1232 01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:02,039 how do I what's going on? Because at first the energy to experience it 1233 01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:06,960 like what's happening was insane. And then I got all of these cool things. 1234 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,039 I don't know what to do with it. They're just a part of 1235 01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:13,079 you know, God is teaching me. I'll just leave it to that, 1236 01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:18,960 the angels, whatever. But eventually I started to be able to figure out 1237 01:28:19,159 --> 01:28:23,479 where the stuff was coming from. I thought, I literally thought I was 1238 01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:28,479 making all of this stuff up. So there was a lack of confidence with 1239 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,119 me sharing any of this as truth, because I'm just these concepts I've come 1240 01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:41,880 up with. I was led to and am continually being led to philosophers, 1241 01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,720 ancient mystics, most of them ancient Christians who were around in the seventeen hundreds 1242 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:53,199 fifteen hundreds, who wrote books on all of this stuff, but died with 1243 01:28:53,279 --> 01:28:57,640 their work, and they died with it, and nobody was around to carry 1244 01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,960 the torch to bring it further. And then you come into alignment with Okay, 1245 01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:05,560 we've been teaching you, we've been guiding you, and you're now ready 1246 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:12,359 for the next steps. And when the student is ready, the teacher appears. 1247 01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,279 I'm telling you all of these crazy things that I have been writing about. 1248 01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:20,199 I have been able to cite the sources and honor the vessel who brought 1249 01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:24,720 it as far as they did. I've got their names, I've got their 1250 01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:30,000 books, all of this stuff. And the first one was so crazy that 1251 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:34,960 I cracked the book open and read just two or three pages before I went 1252 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:40,760 to bed one night and put the book beside my bed, and I didn't 1253 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,960 touch it for months. I'm a slow reader. And then I'm as I 1254 01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:50,720 finally picked the book back up months later everything that I wrote was in the 1255 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:59,359 next four chapters that I ended Ancient Christianity by Annie Bassan, and I'm like, 1256 01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:02,680 my god, oh, and then now it's like, now it's a 1257 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,399 thing. Let me so as I'm googling some of these terms in research and 1258 01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:12,720 that I'm coming up with, I'm able to find Jewish mystics and who taught 1259 01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,720 on all of this stuff that I'm like, Okay, I'm going crazy again, 1260 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,039 you know, like how do you know these things? Like you want 1261 01:30:19,039 --> 01:30:21,920 to honor the source, but I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure that 1262 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:28,520 I'm not falling into another psychosis. But mind you, it is psychosis because 1263 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,439 you're writing in front of a keyboard and there's information just being downloaded to you. 1264 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,960 You go to sleep and you wake up and you know all of this 1265 01:30:35,039 --> 01:30:41,399 stuff that doesn't seem normal too. I think psychosis has a negative connotation. 1266 01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,399 We download A download is more neutral, right, I mean, it's cool. 1267 01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:48,000 I think you do have a download. I think that obviously would I 1268 01:30:48,079 --> 01:30:51,840 think you just said it. It's real. You're you're picking up something and 1269 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:56,239 you're writing it and coming through it. You know, it's a it's a 1270 01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,760 it's an amazing thing. But we've got so many similar stories. It's wild, 1271 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,119 you know what I mean. It's wild, and I like the uh. 1272 01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:06,199 I like the vibe that it brings. And it's like, you know, 1273 01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:09,960 you you got this thing, you lined it up. This person from 1274 01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,760 five hundred years ago is over here. You're here now, all of a 1275 01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,279 sudden boom, you lined it up. Now you're going forward with it. 1276 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,880 I don't know. It's really really cool. And that is real, and 1277 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,760 it's a download is safe, it's it's psychosis is a negative turn, you 1278 01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,239 know what I mean. Yeah, something is open up to you and you're 1279 01:31:25,239 --> 01:31:29,279 willing to receive it again. The thing is it's with an open heart and 1280 01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:32,079 a caring heart and a loving heart, and and it's not evil. You 1281 01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:35,760 know. That's the key. And you said this a moment earlier. I 1282 01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:40,960 wanted to come back to it about how and everybody says this, but from 1283 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:47,560 my experience it's also true. God is quiet. It's quiet, and even 1284 01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:53,079 if it's so much loudness around you, God comes in a whisper and you're 1285 01:31:53,119 --> 01:31:56,479 like, and that is can that's wild though, Right when you get in 1286 01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,960 this whisper, you're like, oh, that's good it's like a just a 1287 01:31:59,039 --> 01:32:04,000 here sh that is that is powerful stuff. If you're in a stadium filled 1288 01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:08,960 with NFL fans but you get a whisper, you come on, I mean 1289 01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:14,239 you that that is a that is a plus, that is good and anything. 1290 01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:16,399 I was just looking that word up and it is whisper. It is 1291 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:20,079 the whisper of the silence, the still small Yeah. And it's crazy. 1292 01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:23,760 And it's when it comes and you feel it, and you know, if 1293 01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,760 you're if you're you know want if you I think if you want to feel 1294 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,720 it, well, no, you can work on it. Of course you 1295 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,239 can work on it. You can't demand it, I guess that's a better 1296 01:32:32,279 --> 01:32:35,680 way to say it. But you can pray for it, the voices that 1297 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:41,760 are speaking in your in your mind or in your life and focus and and 1298 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,920 you can you can key in on on the quiet voice that that is still 1299 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,039 there amidst the crowd. But you I think it's symbolic because you learn to 1300 01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:54,560 turn the stadium down even though you're in the stadium. So that's the practice. 1301 01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:58,720 The practice. It isn't turning God up, it's turning everything else down. 1302 01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,279 What Natere does in general, like it helps us to reset, and 1303 01:33:02,319 --> 01:33:08,279 it brings the things to us that are supposed to matter, essentially, the 1304 01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:13,479 things we've been ignoring or we've been trying to suppress, you know, death 1305 01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,359 the afterlife. I think a lot of this comes into death in the afterlife 1306 01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:23,600 about there that the people we think are quote unquote dead are not dead. 1307 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,920 Their energy, their information, their personality, everything they carried is still here 1308 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:34,279 looking for somebody to remember them and to you know, continue to carry their 1309 01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:40,319 work forward, or their life, or their legacy, their character. Yeah, 1310 01:33:40,399 --> 01:33:43,319 I think, you know, it just depends on how you want to 1311 01:33:43,359 --> 01:33:47,359 word it. You take your choice. It's everything, you know. That's 1312 01:33:47,399 --> 01:33:50,159 funny. But that's funny because my wife. You know, again, everyone 1313 01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:54,000 talks to me. I talked about these Do I want to be a medium? 1314 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,720 Do I want to try? Yeah? I'm like, I don't know. 1315 01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:59,520 I'm not comfortable with that yet. You know, again, the team 1316 01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:03,199 ill a student. I can read everyone gives off upsite, like an aura. 1317 01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:05,119 Everyone has it. If I was in the room with you, it's 1318 01:34:05,159 --> 01:34:08,960 not easy to do now, it's not easy to do anyway. But I 1319 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,880 could sit there and something would come off of you. Just you know, 1320 01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,159 it's I've thought about, well maybe that I can do that, because it'd 1321 01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:17,680 be really cool. But I'm not going to tell I'm just going to read 1322 01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,640 it. But my wife's like, well, the medium say this is what 1323 01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,439 it means. I don't know what it means. I can't. I don't 1324 01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:27,279 want to pretend. Now, maybe if I practice it, maybe you know, 1325 01:34:27,359 --> 01:34:30,399 maybe, and maybe if I ask questions. But I'm just not there 1326 01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,039 yet, not yet, you know, I'm not there yet. We just 1327 01:34:33,239 --> 01:34:36,720 so there's a couple practices. Again, you got to get people who were 1328 01:34:38,039 --> 01:34:41,359 open. And we've done this online too, because that was my big thing 1329 01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:45,399 doing sessions and stuff, from being a part of a local church and ministries 1330 01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,960 to doing like more online stuff. It was different because in the room that 1331 01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:55,239 you feel things in your body, you sure you see the like, it's 1332 01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:59,159 different. You can look at the person and see their shadow, like everything's 1333 01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:02,479 totally different. And I was kind of afraid that it wouldn't be able to 1334 01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:09,600 translate online on a zoom call. But when we started, a lady asked 1335 01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,199 me to practice on her years ago. She was trying to encourage me. 1336 01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,039 I was like, yeah, I don't know, and literally we go into 1337 01:35:15,079 --> 01:35:17,840 a prayer. I'm just trying to get something for her and I got something 1338 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,039 and she was like, oh my god, that's it. That's exactly what 1339 01:35:20,199 --> 01:35:23,920 was going on my neck is I got a pain in my neck. I 1340 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,600 just went to the doctor. It's like wow, because I saw it and 1341 01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,600 I felt it in my body. See, that's the thing where we got 1342 01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,199 to start learning this stuff because we start feeling it, and I feel like 1343 01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:39,119 we can keep it. Stuff that's not ours that we're carrying messages and things 1344 01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:41,800 that are for other people, and we don't know what to do with the 1345 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,640 energy. And if you don't know what to do with the trauma and all 1346 01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,199 that kind of stuff, it can become a part of you. And that's 1347 01:35:47,239 --> 01:35:53,119 what hychosis. Yeah, and I'm very health conscious. I run every day 1348 01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:56,680 other weights. That keeps me grounded. You know. I'm very much take 1349 01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:00,199 care of myself. And I know it's true by the way that distance even 1350 01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:03,960 though I say for this it's I can't do it over online, but I 1351 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:09,439 know there's people I know personally, people that have had mediums talk to them 1352 01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,640 over like in London when they were here, and they tell them stuff they 1353 01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,279 couldn't imagine. It's all that quantum tunneling, that quantum entanglement, you can 1354 01:36:15,319 --> 01:36:18,239 connect other people. And again, if I practice it, maybe I could 1355 01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:21,319 do it. I just haven't had the interest. You know, There's so 1356 01:36:21,399 --> 01:36:27,399 many things I could do in person. You know, in person's better it 1357 01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,840 just did it is? Yeah, but hey, I mean sometimes, specially 1358 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,600 going through what we went through, you had to learn how to do it 1359 01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:36,680 online. I guess, you know. Yeah, how much longer do you 1360 01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,840 have? Do you have? Again? Let's do five minutes? I got 1361 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,039 I got a one o'clock business meaning, and I need to eat something, 1362 01:36:42,119 --> 01:36:45,520 So five more minutes. Okay. I wanted I wanted to run this by 1363 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,640 you too, just talking about the the alien gray stuff as far as like, 1364 01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:55,079 in a lot of your experiences, you've seen alien grays that are present, 1365 01:36:55,159 --> 01:36:58,840 whether they're watching you or maybe guiding you off to the side. You 1366 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,680 know, I know you're still still in the air about it. And some 1367 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:09,199 of my encounters I haven't seen in alien gray. I have seen silhouettes of 1368 01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:14,920 you know, little humanoids that are just silhouettes and sometimes their colors and lights 1369 01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,199 and but they're intelligent, and it's scary to feel like you're being watched by 1370 01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:24,119 something out the corner of your eye, right, I wanted to bring that 1371 01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:30,800 up because with talking about seeing that during your like astral projections and remote viewing 1372 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:38,399 and stuff like that. I just read a little bit of Crowley stuff recently 1373 01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:43,359 just because I was I wasn't aware. I was just understood what I was 1374 01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:45,680 told, and it was to stay away. It was all demonic. But 1375 01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,600 his stuff, it definitely wasn't all demonic. But anyway, he talks about 1376 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:58,279 doing these certain astral projections and remote viewing sessions with other people, and he 1377 01:37:58,399 --> 01:38:01,800 describes in one of his menu scripts that there's a group of people who can 1378 01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:08,720 do it and ascend into the heavens and have conversations and communicate with one another 1379 01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,079 and get orders and you all can do it together. He was training people 1380 01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,520 how to do it, and I know many Christians who are doing similar things. 1381 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:23,439 I wanted to share that with you because of you know, bringing other 1382 01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,800 people into the experience to do this you know, nonverbal communication. And then 1383 01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,479 it was like then you can come back and say, Okay, what were 1384 01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:35,760 we talking about there to see if it's even legit. But all of that 1385 01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:44,560 to say that Crowley eventually drew a picture of this little guy, this little 1386 01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,680 man that was that he was seeing in a lot of his visions and in 1387 01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:54,319 his journey that he called him lamb Lam, which looks like this alien gray. 1388 01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:59,319 So I wanted to link the little alien gray type being, but also 1389 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:04,319 too this astro projection phenomena, and you know, get your thoughts on that 1390 01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:09,479 and your experiences if you want to share just a little bit. So are 1391 01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,479 you asking you want me to tell my experience with the grays, the one 1392 01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,039 that you've seen in the image of Is that what you're asking? Yeah, 1393 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:17,359 yep, I want. I wanted to share that with you too. No, 1394 01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:20,640 no, yeah, that's great, And that's funny too, because what 1395 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:25,239 I'm going to tell is not that it's the opposite. So the aliens were 1396 01:39:25,239 --> 01:39:28,239 doing what Frowley was said he was doing. That's what's crazy right now about 1397 01:39:28,279 --> 01:39:31,239 that story. So when I first started doing this, now there's protocols for 1398 01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:34,520 people who want to call aliens, it's called heist and CE five. I 1399 01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:38,800 came into this cold. I didn't know what was going on. So I'm 1400 01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,880 just doing this not even thinking about those things. I am just using what 1401 01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,520 I call upside vision, and I'm seeing all these things. When the very 1402 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,479 beginning when I started doing it, I'm watching it. I'm just sitting there 1403 01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:53,119 looking at it. And again, remember all of this is holograph, but 1404 01:39:53,159 --> 01:39:56,880 I'm just flying through space whatever you want to call it. Next thing, 1405 01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:00,680 I know, I'm on the ship with a dozen gray aliens in a circle. 1406 01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:02,760 Right. And as I look closer, they're in a circle, but 1407 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:08,560 they're over this square table that looks like it's it's clear, like a clear 1408 01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,920 table, and it looks at first like it's empty. But as I get 1409 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,800 closer, I realize that they're remote. They're remote viewing like a town in 1410 01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:20,279 the United States. Right. And as I look closer again, their eyes 1411 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:26,479 they're following. Their eyes are important to this process for whatever reason they're they're 1412 01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:30,359 following these people, and the gray alien next to them picked up the person 1413 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:32,960 from their field of vision. So they needed to do it as a group 1414 01:40:33,079 --> 01:40:36,399 somehow. Maybe it was like a chorus, it made it stronger, whatever 1415 01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:41,159 the case was, it was like a process, and they're I don't know 1416 01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,479 if these beings are servers. I don't know if they're humanoids. I don't 1417 01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,640 know if they're half you know, I don't know what they are, but 1418 01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:53,520 half organic and half not. But what was wild about that is that I'm 1419 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,520 looking at them. I'm so curious about it. Then two of the gray 1420 01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:00,279 aliens looked at me and they started coming towards me. And I don't even 1421 01:41:00,279 --> 01:41:01,600 know what I look like in the holographic form, right, I don't know 1422 01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,000 what they're actually seeing. But I was so scared I jumped out of it. 1423 01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:09,039 Right, And that was almost, that was not almost. That was 1424 01:41:09,319 --> 01:41:14,640 my first time that I stumbled upon gray aliens doing something like you could think 1425 01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,640 that they're that we could learn from, right you talked about Crowley was like, 1426 01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,439 wait, what if they're doing, if they're if our little eyes can 1427 01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:24,319 do you know, a tenth of what their big eyes can do, maybe 1428 01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:27,239 there's something there. And again, obviously to me, it's because of my 1429 01:41:27,319 --> 01:41:30,760 upside vision, like I think I have, they might be able to do 1430 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,079 something I can do. Such smaller the eyes, the size of their eyes 1431 01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:40,439 is important for their physiola, physiology. For whatever reason, from my perspective 1432 01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:44,439 and what I've seen, it's because they're broadcasting. It's almost like a satellite. 1433 01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,760 They're broadcasting something a lot bigger. Now I've since and I write about 1434 01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:53,319 this in certain blogs that when I'm doing math, they used to show up 1435 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,640 and like a like, I don't want to say teas more like a nuisance 1436 01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,880 annoy me. They would take me off my task, and I often wondered 1437 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,840 why i'd be anything I'm doing. They would annoy me, and I'd read 1438 01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:09,199 I actually read this only a few years ago that meditators, people that are 1439 01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:14,159 meditating, they would go to their yoga and this is documented and they say, 1440 01:42:14,199 --> 01:42:15,880 listen, I'm meditating and I'm trying to empty my mind, but a 1441 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,560 gray alien keeps showing up. And that's what happened to me. Yeah, 1442 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,720 that was it. And the teachers like, just ignore it. It's just 1443 01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,359 ignore it. It's like, wait a minute, maybe we should have a 1444 01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:30,479 communication. Maybe they want to maybe we can communicate with these beings in a 1445 01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,680 way, you know, maybe regular people do, you know, like all 1446 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:38,479 of us can directly now that said, I don't communicate with grace. There's 1447 01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,319 no there's not a lot. There's one episode I write it. If you 1448 01:42:41,359 --> 01:42:45,319 want to go to my upside Vision YouTube page. I have this twenty minute 1449 01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:49,199 video about how I communicate with non human intelligence. It talks about a gray 1450 01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:53,680 being in the room with me right and holding my head. It starts off 1451 01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,359 like that, but that I don't have a lot of interaction with these beings. 1452 01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,880 And I don't know why. You know, some people are stars, 1453 01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:02,520 some people can tell you everything they say. That's not the case for me, 1454 01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,720 And I think that's by design. I think my guide, my God, 1455 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,079 my spiritual counselor wants me to do other things, not listen to what 1456 01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:14,640 they have to say. They want to maybe don't show me, teach me, 1457 01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,199 you know what I mean, that's that's maybe. I think that's kind 1458 01:43:16,199 --> 01:43:19,000 of part of what's what is. I don't think it is what's happening with 1459 01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:24,680 now man. I'll leave you with this with the eyes and beholding that there's 1460 01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,319 a whole there's practices that do that to create your reality, to look at 1461 01:43:28,359 --> 01:43:30,439 something and you know, then I shared about the dreams when I was a 1462 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:35,720 kid, allowing that stuff in and then experiencing it being tormented, and the 1463 01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:42,000 eyes to create or to project or to move. The ancients looked at the 1464 01:43:42,039 --> 01:43:48,159 Son as the eye of God, this huge eyeball that is watching over humanity 1465 01:43:48,399 --> 01:43:56,039 or maybe even creating humanity, giving us life just without that. I watching 1466 01:43:56,079 --> 01:44:00,119 this. It's very interesting because I do think this is all of this is 1467 01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:04,239 multi dimensional. It doesn't just work for one realm. It's it's applicable for 1468 01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:09,520 all of them. Yeah, and every every character in my book Jesus goes 1469 01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:14,039 to Hollywood. It's a subtitle of Memoir of Madness. I name it after 1470 01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:17,760 the Sun because the Sun is a big part of my journey Nova Soul. 1471 01:44:18,079 --> 01:44:21,600 So just so you know, I know, I feel that that the sun 1472 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:27,199 is definitely, for whatever reason, obviously connected to God. You can't have 1473 01:44:27,359 --> 01:44:30,079 humanity without the sun. But yeah, that's I I hear that loud and 1474 01:44:30,119 --> 01:44:33,119 clear. So anyway, listen, I got a jump. This has been 1475 01:44:33,239 --> 01:44:38,199 so amazing, Derek. I think maybe we can do something. You're like 1476 01:44:38,199 --> 01:44:40,479 an hour and a half from me. If you have a retreat, I 1477 01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,720 could show up. We could have some fun. I don't know when that. 1478 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,439 I would love to be a part of that. Yeah you're in You're 1479 01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:47,640 in clear Water or well, I mean Alfhar out of Georgia. Okay, 1480 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,560 nice, heck, yeah right up the road man. Good. Yeah, 1481 01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:56,680 we we just passed through there at our last retreat. But for sure, 1482 01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,600 brother, Yeah, don't be a stranger. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, 1483 01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:01,119 thank you, this is a pleasure. Yeah, you got my email. 1484 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,000 I'll give you my number if you want to, we could practice some 1485 01:45:04,039 --> 01:45:06,560 stuff, some dream stuff, some number of stuff, whatever it is, 1486 01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:11,439 So add me to the list of people that you need to practice some of 1487 01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:14,079 this stuff. That will I will. And I got a lot out of 1488 01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:17,720 this today, Derek, which is great. Thank you again, Thank you 1489 01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:23,600 Tom, Matt, Ladies and gentlemen. Make sure y'all check out his other 1490 01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:28,079 work and his interviews and all of them bring something beautiful to the table. 1491 01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:34,600 And I was essentially asking questions that I genuinely had from listening to his other 1492 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:38,840 interviews and the work that he's put out there. So I know a lot 1493 01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:44,319 of you have have similar questions, and I'm trying to ask those questions for 1494 01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:51,000 you, you know, and for me and for me. You know, 1495 01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:57,239 people talk about seeking truth. You know. I get this question or comment 1496 01:45:57,319 --> 01:46:00,000 a lot from from a lot of Christians who are like kind of saying, 1497 01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,520 you call yourself the truth seeker, you can Jesus is the truth. If 1498 01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,239 you knew Jesus, you would find the truth and you wouldn't have to seek 1499 01:46:06,279 --> 01:46:10,439 it. It was like, well, no, I've found the truth and 1500 01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:15,079 I'm still seeking it every day. This is what it is. Because once 1501 01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:24,880 you ask a question, your question is answered only by another question. We 1502 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:30,880 read the scriptures. That's exactly how Jesus taught. That's exactly how he answered 1503 01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:36,119 somebody's questions by asking them a question to denote that the answer was already within 1504 01:46:36,199 --> 01:46:39,600 them and they knew it to begin with. They just had to dig. 1505 01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:45,039 So I think this podcast and our experiences, we're here digging, We're here 1506 01:46:45,079 --> 01:46:54,000 asking deeper questions, and this show represents people who aren't afraid to ask those 1507 01:46:54,079 --> 01:46:57,000 questions, even when you've been told that you're going to be laughed at, 1508 01:46:57,079 --> 01:47:02,079 ridiculed, demonized, ostracized. Whatever. You know, fine, I'm still 1509 01:47:02,119 --> 01:47:08,800 asking the questions and now we're getting answers. So man, keep doing what 1510 01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,239 you guys are doing. Keep showing up. Everybody has a piece of the 1511 01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:18,960 puzzle. You know. I found myself having to apologize a lot after interviewing 1512 01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:25,239 certain people just because I still have questions, Like I'm not I don't I 1513 01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:29,720 can ask good questions, but I'm good at talking. I'm good at sharing 1514 01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:35,920 because it's genuine, and I want to share from a place of knowing that 1515 01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:43,479 the person you can tell when the person is a student as well, and 1516 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,079 quite frankly, as I opened up this talk. That's all I want to 1517 01:47:47,159 --> 01:47:49,319 listen to. That's all I want to learn from. I don't want to 1518 01:47:49,359 --> 01:47:53,560 learn from a know it all. I don't want to learn from somebody who 1519 01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:58,800 claims to have it all figured out and closes off every other possibility. And 1520 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,560 that's what we were taught to do, to read one book, to have 1521 01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:06,000 one experience, and then to discount everybody else's experiences. And that's not the 1522 01:48:06,039 --> 01:48:12,800 case, that's not the truth. But I get excited sometimes depending on who 1523 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,960 I'm talking to, and I wanted to share with him and had genuine questions. 1524 01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:21,359 And I've always said that that still makes the best podcast, makes the 1525 01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:27,680 best episodes when I'm genuinely hungry about the information and I genuinely want to know. 1526 01:48:28,119 --> 01:48:30,359 I can't tell you how many times I've done podcasts or I've been sent 1527 01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:35,000 a list of questions to ask the person from their publicist or something like that, 1528 01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:39,800 and it's just kind of robotic. You know, you can make it 1529 01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:44,199 seem engaging or whatever, but when you really want to know, when it's 1530 01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:47,439 got me by the edge of my seat. Because I'm a student, we 1531 01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:53,800 all are, and we're always learning. So sometimes I find myself apologizing for 1532 01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:58,560 talking or whatever. But man, I want to know. I want to 1533 01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,239 know, So I'm asking questions for you. Yeah, I have people in 1534 01:49:01,279 --> 01:49:05,920 mind I'm asking questions for, but also for myself. So when you find 1535 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:11,840 like minded people that you, you know, sometimes it feels like like who 1536 01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,439 can I talk to about this stuff? Who can I talk to? I 1537 01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,600 know I can talk to you guys. You guys are experiencing a lot of 1538 01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:23,520 this stuff too, and that's what makes it fun, and that's what lets 1539 01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:28,199 us know that we're not alone and that you know, people can write you 1540 01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:32,279 off, people can ostracize you, but there's none of you who are gonna 1541 01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:36,399 give up friends or family members or whatever in this life. Who who writes 1542 01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:40,399 you off or call you names or whatever that you're not going to get one 1543 01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:45,920 hundredfold in return. Who are a part of this world, within the world, 1544 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,960 if you will, the kingdom that is at hand that we're experiencing, 1545 01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:57,000 that we're able to see and sometimes just sometimes able to record it and catch 1546 01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,560 it on video. So good man, Thank y'all for hanging out with me. 1547 01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:04,760 If you're not a member of our online community or the Seer School, 1548 01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:11,000 definitely check it out www. Dot c dot school. It is our community, 1549 01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:15,239 it is our training, it's our I mean, we do two sessions 1550 01:50:15,279 --> 01:50:19,359 a week Thursday nights, Sunday mornings, hangouts, you know, doing this 1551 01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:25,920 but with a lot more people. It's really fun. You'll find out very 1552 01:50:26,039 --> 01:50:32,199 quick that you're not alone and the implications that that has I've taken for granted 1553 01:50:32,279 --> 01:50:36,840 in the past with that phrase you're not alone. Man, you're not alone. 1554 01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:44,000 It's so powerful to finally know and to feel that you are valued, 1555 01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:48,119 your your information, your piece of the puzzle, what you've experienced, what 1556 01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:54,079 you have to say, what you have to offer. We are building community 1557 01:50:54,319 --> 01:51:00,520 online and locally as well, doing these retreats and gatherings to create a place, 1558 01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:10,319 a community where you're not just simply tolerated, that you're valued. And 1559 01:51:10,399 --> 01:51:15,079 so I always say this, go to where not like, don't go to 1560 01:51:15,159 --> 01:51:18,399 the place or to the church or whatever where you feel like you're tolerated. 1561 01:51:19,159 --> 01:51:24,760 Go to the place where you feel like you're appreciated. And knowing that I 1562 01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:29,319 needed that and I still need that, what else is there to do but 1563 01:51:29,359 --> 01:51:31,560 to see the vision of it and then create it. That's what we're doing, 1564 01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,960 and I really think at the end of the day, that's what this 1565 01:51:35,039 --> 01:51:41,640 podcast was about today. It was about that seeing a vision, seeing it 1566 01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:45,479 through, no matter how big, no matter how far out, and then 1567 01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:50,039 creating it, finding ways to bring it into your reality, and not just 1568 01:51:50,039 --> 01:51:54,680 do it once, but to keep doing it. Thank you all for hanging 1569 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:59,800 out. Check out to see your school the Truth Seeker podcast truth Seeker dot 1570 01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:01,840 com. We'll check it out. Love you guys, We'll do it again. Peace,