WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:07.360 Ask talkers. I always open it up to give the sass an opportunity to 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:10.919 come and make their case, to explain to us why we should believe in 3 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:19.199 whatever the position is, whether it's Roman Catholicism, Protestanism, Calvinism. Today 4 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:23.079 is not about atheism, so we're not talking tag and atheism. If you 5 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:27.320 call in about tag and atheism, I'm immediately going to skip you. We're 6 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:33.479 not talking about random obscure topics. None of that is the topic today. 7 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:41.759 The topics are actually communiately listed for you. Catholicism, Protestantism, libertarianism, 8 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:51.000 black ubil Israelites, arianism, Job's witnesses, Muslims, Unitarians, Mormons may 9 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:59.039 all call in gnostics. Those are all acceptable topics. Basically, we're not 10 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:00.880 talking tag and we're not talking atheism. We want to see if we can 11 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:06.079 focus on getting the Protestants, the cults, the sex the groups, the 12 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:11.519 Unitarians, and even of course the Roman Catholics, because I'm more and more 13 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:17.159 convinced that the best description for Roman Catholicism is actually a cult. It is 14 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:25.560 an irrational cult that enslaves its people to a religion of dead works, lacking 15 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:34.920 the power thereof as Paul says, focusing their people on ridiculous superstitions, apparitions, 16 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:41.359 visions fatima when they inevitably encounter the theological contradictions that exist in the religion 17 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:47.879 that are quite fundamental. For example, the top Roman Catholic apologists and people 18 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.760 were surprised that I said the top. I said tap because as far as 19 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:59.760 I'm aware, he has the large audience following namesake Catholic apologist. I mean 20 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.200 could say Matt Frad has a larger channel. But Matt Frad doesn't engage in 21 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.800 a lot of apologetics. He basically sits back, interviews people, and talks 22 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:19.719 in his ridiculous Australian accent. Oh yee on mate, freed on keways, 23 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:27.080 I'm an all Australian. I'm just being silly. I do impressions of everybody. 24 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.360 I know that romanchalics get their feelings hurt when I do that impression. 25 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:46.879 But we had another doubling down. If you recall some months back, I 26 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:55.960 mentioned the word triad in passing and Trent Horne assumed as the original tweet shows 27 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:05.800 that he thought this meant something to do with arianism. I said that, 28 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.960 you know, in our debate, you were incorrect by misunderstanding the fact that 29 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:15.919 Abraham worshiped the Trinity. Trent thought this was mind blowing, how no natural 30 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:21.800 theology teaches me that they worshiped a Unitarian God in the Old Testament. And 31 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:23.439 then he says, I asked if they knew that God was a trinity, 32 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:30.479 Jewish multiplicity in the Godhead could be akin to proto arianism. No. In 33 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:34.400 fact, the very point of why would argue that the Old Testament teaches the 34 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.479 triad is to prove that they were trinitarian Trent. So, as you can 35 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:45.120 see, his initial reply is quite literally a fundamental misunderstanding of the basics that 36 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.960 every Orthodox Christian knows by looking at the rueblo of Icon that the Old Testament 37 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:54.439 saints worshiped the Triad. And Trent says, you even had to use the 38 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:59.960 word triad to describe it, but you would say that modern people that worshiped 39 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.800 triad as in Jehovah's witnesses are not worshiping the once your God. So notice 40 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:12.120 that very clearly Trent didn't even understand the very common terminology amongst the Greek fathers, 41 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:17.000 the Byzantine theologians, the very theologians who dogmatized and solidified and explicated the 42 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:24.439 Trinity Cappadocians, Saint Maximus, et cetera. For Trent, he thinks this 43 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:31.560 is somehow bound up with Arianism, even though Trent attended, according to his 44 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:36.079 own description, for many years or presumably for many years the Eastern Right. 45 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:43.560 The Eastern Right hails Palamas as a saint, which actually makes no sense given 46 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.240 the fact that he was considered a damnable heretic for many centuries. And to 47 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:54.560 notice that the most famous work that he has is called the Triads. A 48 00:04:54.639 --> 00:05:00.639 simple search would tell you that amongst the Orthodox world, Triad refers to Trinity. 49 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:08.120 Now what does Trent simply say? Oh, I misunderstood, you're correct. 50 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:13.680 No, he doubles down, because it shows that he's not even familiar 51 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:20.920 with basic terminology in the very Fathers that dogmatize the Trinity, doubles down and 52 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:30.000 says, no, uh. This is an Egyptian term. What the word 53 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:34.040 can be synonymous with Trinity, but it's more common as a grouping of deities. 54 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:42.360 Look at the nineteen ninety six Egyptology book from John Griffith. Now, 55 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.519 the more common use is not something that from an obscure Egyptologist Trent. The 56 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.759 more common use is what you should know from the Uniate world in the Orthodox 57 00:05:50.800 --> 00:06:00.439 world of triad and meaning trinity. This is just silly. Now Trent doubles 58 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:16.720 down again and says that Old Testament Jews did not worship the Trinity. He 59 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:21.720 says it right here, did the faithful Jews who lived before Christ's incarnation worship 60 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.959 God? If they did, then they must have worshiped the same God or 61 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.959 the trenity of the Christians even though they didn't worship. Trent does not believe 62 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.519 that the Old Testament saints worshiped the triad, even though Jesus and John five 63 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:41.959 through nine says that they worshiped the Father, his Angel, and his Spirit. 64 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:46.160 So Trent doesn't even know that the Old Testament teaches the triad. Now. 65 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.319 I pointed this out in at the time of the debate, and after 66 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:57.240 we had our debate, and Trent and other people tried to save face and 67 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.759 tried to do damage control. He didn't mean that. Did it mean that? 68 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:10.639 He says right here, literally a few seconds ago, that they didn't 69 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:21.360 believe in the Trinity. So do you understand that Roman Catholics do not understand 70 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:27.600 the Trinity, and I don't mean in terms of an intellectual comprehension. I 71 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:34.040 mean they fundamentally have ridiculous, stupid theology. And in order to save face 72 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:40.600 and defend his natural theology, Allah of Vaticantwo's no stratate, Trent is literally 73 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:45.360 saying that they believed in a Unitarian God, the very thing that I said 74 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:51.560 was the problem in the debate. Trent still thinks that the Old Testament people 75 00:07:51.800 --> 00:08:00.399 believed in a Unitarian God and not the Triad. So this refew it's all 76 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:05.040 of the Roman Catholic liars that's sat here saying that that's not what true means. 77 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.360 Why do Romancalolics feel the need to lie? And how could you be 78 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.560 this silly in your theology to be so ignorant of the Old Testament? Again 79 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.199 proving my point in the debate that how would you argue against a Muslim? 80 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.920 Do you not understand that to debate any Muslim requires going to the Old Testament 81 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.639 to prove the Trinity. I even showed a video that was my opening statement 82 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:39.200 in the day on Hookiekitchy debate to Trent, which apparently he hasn't watched because 83 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:48.440 it refutes his stupid heresy in Acts seventeen, in no way says that they 84 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.120 worshiped a Unitarian God. It's just like this guy is on another planet and 85 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:58.200 doesn't even understand what the debate is. And now the libertarian says he can't 86 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.600 hop on. Dude, I sent you the link. There's no reason why 87 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.200 you can't hop on this debate. It's an open chat. You wanted to 88 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.799 debate. Now you're saying he can't get on here? Give me a break. 89 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:18.360 Here you are you hopped on here? Now? Right? Where's the 90 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:24.799 actual video? I want you to I hope you guys understand that this means 91 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:30.759 that Roman Catholics don't have the basics of the Trinity. I'm pretty sure that 92 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:37.080 trinity is a pretty important doctrine. And you just saw Trent say that in 93 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.559 the tweet that he just put up the very thing that all of his defenders 94 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:48.320 were saying he didn't mean. He says it again. Now, let's remind 95 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.000 ourselves of a few moments of the debate with Daniel Haikikachu, because it turns 96 00:09:54.039 --> 00:10:01.360 out Trent and Daniel have the same god, the Unitarian generic God of natural 97 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.080 Theism. Now, I know that Trent would confess to believe in the Trinity 98 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.120 and the deed of Christ. But he doesn't understand that he's got two conflicting, 99 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.519 contradictory positions in his worldview. And he doubled and tripled down in the 100 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:20.679 last hour on Twitter on this. So I repeat again, did the Old 101 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:26.039 Testament Saints worship a generic Unitarian deity the very thing that Trent and Roman Catholicisms 102 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.320 are taught to entrent just now within the last five minutes reaffirmed? Or are 103 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.559 they worship the triad as every Orthodox person knows? You just saying that this 104 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.000 is fundamental to us, And they're still wandering around, groping in the dark, 105 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.960 like the Pagans of Acts seventeen, not understanding that it's a triad in 106 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:48.200 the very beginning, because their theology is all jacked up and dumb. That's 107 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.879 why. Because they're in a giant machine that they have to make all of 108 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:58.080 these pieces work and make this giant algorithm that's a giant bunch of contradictions fit 109 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.720 together, and they don't. They don't even know what recapitulation is. They 110 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:11.480 don't even know what monarchicali trinitarianism is when it's fundamental orthodoxy. So Let's go 111 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:20.639 back to how we would argue with a Muslim to refute to Trent, were 112 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:30.000 the Old Testament Jews generic unitarians. Let's look at Jewish scholarship explaining to us 113 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:37.919 what they believed. Surprise is that the Old Testaments trinitarian. They were not 114 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:45.879 unitarian. Judaism specifically in the Second Temple period, was not a monolithic Unitarian 115 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.720 enterprise. The question becomes, what are the teachings of the prophets in the 116 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.320 Old Testament? Did they actually teach as Islam says, a radical unitarianism or 117 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:00.840 is it something more fluid, or is their differentiation in your In fact, 118 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:07.399 modern Jewish scholarship unanimously is undecided on this question. There's a lot of Jewish 119 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.080 scholarship that is listed here. For example, Daniel boy larn later, I 120 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:15.879 have Summer and I have a Siegel, and they admit that in the Old 121 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:20.120 Testament itself not due to a Christian deviation, but in the Old Testament itself, 122 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:28.120 we find many, many passages that show differentiation in Yahweh. That differentiation 123 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.559 is not just located in rabbinic debates. It also continues into later medieval debates 124 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.159 with Jewish cabbal law and you could see there. For example, Gursham Scholam 125 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:41.240 in his book on Kabala, he's the respected Cabalist theologian to the Middle Ages 126 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.080 or a scholar of medieval Kabala. He points out, for example, to 127 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.679 beat three beginningless lights that are mentioned. Now, I'm not a cobblist. 128 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:54.480 I'm just pointing out that this shows that the Jewish tradition is not monolithic in 129 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.480 its presentation. So I'd like to come back then to my screen to me 130 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.519 here and went out that the first display of Trinitarian theology in a law of 131 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.279 the prophets is, for example, here on this whiteboard. And I'm showing 132 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:13.759 this whiteboard because hopefully guys can see this. This is a tremendous amount of 133 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.120 texts. Now, this list of texts that you see me post. If 134 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:24.480 you've read Justin Martyr against Trifle the Jew is Trent even aware that Justin Martyr 135 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:30.039 argues from the Old Testament Theophanes to prove the deedy of Christ and his attempt 136 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:35.240 at proving triad. It's like Trent's never talked to a Muslim or never read 137 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.200 these church fathers. Oh but wait a minute, Trent didn't know what the 138 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.840 word triad meant. He thought it was a pagan, anti Trinitarian term when 139 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.759 it's constantly used in the Eastern Church Fathers. So now Trent is doubling down, 140 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.120 as we said, tripling down that the Old Testament saints did not worship 141 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:58.440 the Trinity. They worshiped a Unitarian God. Has he never read John five 142 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.679 through nine? Has he not read Second Corinthians three, where Paul says that 143 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:09.120 Moses looked face to face with Jesus. If no man sees the Father at 144 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.919 any time, as Jesus argues in John to the Pharisees and John five, 145 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.799 then who was Moses talking to? This is the point of Jesus' argument to 146 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.679 the Pharisees. I don't think Trent knows the Bible very well at all, 147 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.320 and particularly not the Old Testament at all. I think Trent knows a lot 148 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:33.240 of pop apologetics, because remember Trent was not too long ago a Deist who 149 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.480 converted to Roman Catholicism, and so I don't think Trent knows the Trinity. 150 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:43.879 I think he just accepts that the papacy got all this right. And that's 151 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.200 why most of his debates are cultural issues or the papacy. I mean, 152 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.039 maybe he's debated other topics. I don't know. I don't follow these paper 153 00:14:52.120 --> 00:15:03.120 Roman Catholic apologists because they're typically pretty low tier. But I mean, this 154 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.480 is just sort of mind blowing to me. The I mean, what did 155 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:13.080 we just talk about last night? We spent how many we spent the first 156 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:20.360 hour talking about Old Testament predictions of the Messiah, and when the Muslim called 157 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:22.480 in, we started to go into various texts in Isaiah, and as I 158 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:28.519 mentioned, there are more than you would you could even imagine in Isaiah if 159 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.519 you haven't read Isaiah in a long time. It's called the Fifth Gospel for 160 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.320 a reason, Trent. Why would it be called the Fifth Gospel? If 161 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:45.320 the Old Testament teaches a Unitarian God. Why is the Messiah said to be 162 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.720 worshiped? Why does it talk about Yahweh, his Son, his Angel, 163 00:15:52.919 --> 00:16:00.039 his covenant messenger, and his spirit all the way back in Genesis? You 164 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.080 understand that Genesis teaches the triad. Do you understand that when Tripho is against 165 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.720 Justin Martyr, Justin Marter keeps arguing from Genesis and other passages to prove that 166 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.480 who do you think Jacob was wrestling with it's like these people have never read 167 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.080 the Bible or something. Bah. But wait a minute, if we're talking 168 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:25.639 about Roman Catholics, that's actually fairly plausible. Outside of someone like Scott Han 169 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.039 I'm starting to think that maybe they don't actually read the book. It's a 170 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:32.200 closed book to them, as Paul says, it's a closed book to the 171 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.360 Jews, and second printhe it's the very passage where it says Moses was talking 172 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.960 face to face with Christ, that the Jews have the veil over their heart. 173 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.360 It's almost like Roman Catholics and Muslims have the veil over their heart. 174 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:49.480 Yeah, because they're facts similar fake religions. That's why they're religions of dead 175 00:16:49.519 --> 00:17:00.879 works without the power thereof. And I'm just citing these because there's too many 176 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.200 to fit on a single screen there with typing it all out. You can 177 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:11.240 screenshot this later and go check the various textual references here for just examples of 178 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.200 Theophanes. And the reason I've included that Theophanies is that these are particularly useful 179 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:22.440 for demonstrating the manifestation of Yahweh in the Old Testament, proving differentiation, So 180 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.200 not just Yahweh, but also the angel messenger that he sends who has the 181 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.079 name of Yahweh as a root in Exodus, the same angel that's present in 182 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:36.200 the Burning Bush, that angel has spoken of as the messenger of the Covenant. 183 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:41.200 He's spoken of as in Judges turning the face of Yahwey towards Gideon. 184 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:48.599 Yahweh turns his face to Gideon. So are you noticing a pattern that the 185 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:56.200 refutation of Muslims is becoming the refutation of the Roman Catholics Because Trent's actually, 186 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:03.720 in a backwards way, back doorway correct that actually you and the Muslim and 187 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.680 that Jew do worship the same God, because it's the wrong God. So 188 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:15.680 Roman Catholics, Muslims, and Jews actually do worship the same Unitarian God, 189 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:22.279 and that's the wrong one. So actually, Trent, in a roundabout way, 190 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.519 is actually correct. And why does he say that? Because that's the 191 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:33.240 basis of his church's dogmatic teaching and knows Ratat And he doesn't even realize that 192 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:38.519 citing Acts seventeen doesn't prove this. Citing Romans one doesn't prove this. He's 193 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:44.240 just assuming that Acts seventeen and Romans one teach natural theology. When Romans one 194 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:51.799 doesn't say anything about syllogisms and a rationiosnation process about syllogisms and coming to some 195 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:56.079 conclusion at the end of a bunch of syllogisms about a generic god existing Romans 196 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.400 one says that it's on the heart of every man. It doesn't say anything 197 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:04.759 about intel electual syllogisms. It's not talking about natural theology in your ridiculous churches. 198 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:18.319 Since but Trent knows he has to defend nos Trette saying that he and 199 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.720 the Hindu and all of them wors of the same God. Isn't that interesting? 200 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.880 The Hindu also is part of this natural theology process, and he thinks 201 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:33.119 Acts seventeen backs this up. All Acts seventeen says is that God is the 202 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.799 one giving these providential gifts to everyone, and yet he is unknown. The 203 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:44.200 very point of the passage is that the God that they're after is unknown to 204 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:48.440 them, and yet Trent is telling me no. Actually, at the end 205 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.039 of a rational process, the pagan can reason out and come to at the 206 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.279 end of a syllogism, how many pagans are sitting there doing syllogisms outside of 207 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:11.000 Aristotle. Let's be real here, Come on, this is preposterous and even 208 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.279 his own people, his own cohorts, whom he's had debates with, are 209 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.279 falling out like tim and recognizing, Hey, wait a minute, the Roman 210 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:23.640 Catholic Church's post Vatican two teaching on the Jews is a direct contradiction to the 211 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.480 pre Vatican too teaching on the Jews. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, but 212 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:32.400 it's also a contradiction when it comes to Muslims and Hindus too. You don't 213 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:37.519 see that the Catholic Church regards with esteem the Muslims. Oh, he means 214 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.359 the ones that you called crusades against in the Middle Ages. You esteem them. 215 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.039 They adore the one God. What is the one God that shared between 216 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.680 a Muslim and a Roman Catholic When every Muslim will tell you that we don't 217 00:20:49.680 --> 00:21:00.240 worship the same God as you. There is no generic unity that is shared 218 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:08.079 amongst an anti Trinitarian group and a Satanic group and a Monotheistic group. If 219 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:12.000 I believe that Satan is the creator of heaven and earth and that he lives 220 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:17.839 in subsistence in himself, am I then also esteemed by the Catholic Church with 221 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:25.400 the Muslims. Do you see how stupid this is? And then it goes 222 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.440 on to say, although they don't revere Jesus as God, they revere him 223 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:37.480 as a prophet. Oh so anti Trinitarians. So now we can substitute Eunomians 224 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:42.319 and Arians and Jehoah's witnesses the Church regards with esteem. The Arians does it 225 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:48.839 because I'm pretty sure at Niceah it calls Arius the mouth of Satan. So 226 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.519 now we regard Arius as the mouth of Satan, I mean, as a 227 00:21:52.920 --> 00:22:00.880 as a true worshiper of the one God. You understand, Muslims are more 228 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:12.440 removed than Arians are from Christianity. There are multiple attributes that Muslims don't believe 229 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.960 in. They do not believe that God is imminent in the world, and 230 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.680 maybe even some Roman Calolicies don't believe that. Who knows. I mean, 231 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.920 this whole Roman Catholic system is a gigantic mess. And you've noticed they won't 232 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.960 come in debate anymore. All they're left with is why I'm a bad person. 233 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.680 That's all they've had for the last seven years is how I'm a bad 234 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:40.000 person. And yet they keep expanding in their carbohydrate intake. Have you noticed 235 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.599 that Abara and Lofton are looking even fluffier? Well, I guess when the 236 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:53.319 religion is no help, you take solace in the buffet and then dainties and 237 00:22:53.359 --> 00:23:07.240 pastries. But it's not just Muslims. Oh. Whereas the Roman Catholic Church 238 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:14.680 formerly talked very negatively in its liturgical practices about Jews, now they're the elder 239 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:33.480 brothers and they're part of the Covenant. That doesn't make any sense. That's 240 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:42.559 a contradiction to previous traditional Roman Catholic teaching. Now where's the Hindu statement. 241 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:51.799 Yeah, Now, remember this is not saying that Hindus seek out and have 242 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:53.880 a natural desire for the One True God, because we could say that all 243 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:59.680 human beings have an innate desire for God because we all have a news. 244 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:04.359 This says that in Hinduism, in other words, in the false religious system, 245 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.119 the demonic system of Hinduism. And if you read Father Sir from Roses 246 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.079 Orthodox in the Religion in the Future, you can see very clearly that from 247 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:22.920 the Christian perspective, this is a horrendous, terrible, demonic religion. Does 248 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.880 Vatican two say that it doesn't mention anything about it being demonic? It says 249 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:34.279 in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through anexhaustible abundance of 250 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:41.200 myths. They seek freedom from the anguish of human condition through assatical practices or 251 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:48.480 a profound meditation, or flight to God with love and trust, God with 252 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:55.440 a capital G. Did you read the first sentence in Hinduism in a completely 253 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.880 demonic religion. Paul says that the gods of the nations are devils. David 254 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.440 says, the gods in the nations are devils. There's no better example of 255 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:12.240 this than Hinduism. Vatican two says in Hinduism they seek a flight to capital 256 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:23.920 G God with love and trust. And then it says similar things about Buddhism. 257 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:33.839 The deities of Hinduism and Buddhism are not the triad. They are not 258 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:41.680 secretly Jesus. If Jesus has a way to reach those people, he can 259 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.039 do that. But it is not the demonic system of Hinduism or of Buddhism. 260 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:52.079 That is the means by which they reach God. And that's the bizarro 261 00:25:52.359 --> 00:26:00.000 language of Vatican two. And it's not just no Sir tat the same stings 262 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.119 said in lum Gentm. Sixteen, because these liars will always sit here and 263 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.839 say, well, we don't have to accept no TTE because it doesn't have 264 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.279 the same level of authority as the other documents, that you got to accept 265 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:18.119 them all. And what a ridiculous system anyway, because it doesn't even tell 266 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.279 you which documents are which Every individual Roman Catholic g hats to figure out which 267 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:34.400 documents are in which authority been The Plan of Salvation includes those who acknowledge the 268 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.759 Creator? Okay, what does that mean? Does that mean I only have 269 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.559 to acknowledge a generic idea of a creator like a freemason does or a theistic 270 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:48.200 Satanist. The first amongst these is the Muslims who hold the faith of Abraham. 271 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.200 No, you don't hold the faith of Abraham if you're anti trinitarian, 272 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.160 have you regulations? The only way to be the seat of Abraham is in 273 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:04.119 Christ because Abraham worshiped the trial. Did you hear me, Trent? Muslims 274 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:11.920 worship and adore the One God. No, Muslims do not adore God. 275 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.759 You understand, adoration is worship. So this implies that God accepts the worship 276 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:26.160 of anti trinitarian groups like Muslims. Muslims hate the triad. They hate Christ 277 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.240 because they don't believe that he is deity, divine and John says, if 278 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.960 you don't believe that Christ is God in the flesh, you are spirit of 279 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.119 Antichrist. So this is saying that people who have the spirit of Antichrist motivating 280 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.960 them to stamp out Christianity and the Trinity and the deed of Christ are part 281 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:48.279 of the planet of salvation also actually worship Christ. This is preposterous. This 282 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.880 alone is enough to tell you that this is not the true religion. This 283 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.440 is a departure from Christianity. And Trent and all the other frauds are defending 284 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.440 this, and they will keep doubling down and doubling down, upling down, 285 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.759 because to admit that they're wrong on this means this whole system collapses. And 286 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:10.440 Roman Catholicism is a giant cult and they cannot accept that. It is this 287 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.599 blatant, this out in the open, and this fraudulent, and it is 288 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:19.000 because it's in everyone's face. This is why they act so they act out. 289 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.599 So this is why they spurg out. This is why they lose it. 290 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:29.200 This is why they're calling you names and everything in the book. It's 291 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:37.880 all a manifestation of the deep down insecurity and fear that they know about their 292 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.440 papacy and what it does and how it acts and how deceptive it is. 293 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:03.279 Now on top of this, we had, we had Francis, let's say, 294 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:10.480 if there's anything else in this, yeah, let's talk about let's talk 295 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.039 a little bit about this, and then we'll go back to the point about 296 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:21.759 francis Is skittles comment, which I'm sorry that people can't figure out that Francis 297 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.400 throws a bone to the trads about once every few years and then he immediately 298 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.759 walks it back. He's done this the entire time. By the way, 299 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.000 all the post Vatican two popes have done this same, very this very same 300 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:41.279 thing, where they charge forward with two or three years of absolutely scandalous rebellious 301 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.039 behavior and then they walk it back two steps. You walk ten steps and 302 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:52.039 walk back two steps. It's a very common Overton window. You know. 303 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:59.279 It's a methodology, it's a technique of bureaucracy and control. And then you 304 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.319 throw a bone to the trads to keep them on the leash. And they 305 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.680 all fall for it. All these people fall for it because they're naive and 306 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:15.400 their dupes. And so Francis says, skittle stuff promotes skittles. Civil unions 307 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:22.799 openly everywhere and then says supposedly, oh, but we don't want f in 308 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.599 the seminaries. Oh, by the way, did he do anything about it? 309 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:30.759 Or do you just say something? Because the entire trad Catholic twitter world 310 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:36.200 is championing this like this is some great achievement. All your showing is your 311 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:42.160 own fool how foolish you are. Because he can talk all day long and 312 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.400 throw you a bone all day long, nothing changes. He's not doing anything. 313 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:51.559 He could reform these seminaries. He has the total plenary authority of the 314 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:56.960 Roman bishop, universal authority. He could extu communicate all of these airing bishops 315 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:03.359 in one stroke of a pen. He doesn't do any of that. He 316 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.319 throws you dummies a bone and you eat it up, and then tomorrow he'd 317 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.640 be back to the revolution. And it wasn't even twenty four hours before he 318 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.720 walked it back and cucked his comments, as Luigi showed on his Twitter. 319 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.720 So, by the way, as soon as I put up my tweet, 320 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.039 I said, how long count down to Francis apologizing for his comment. It 321 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.400 wasn't even twenty four hours. I didn't even get to put my tweet up. 322 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.119 He was already apologizing for I could even make a joke later, or 323 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:34.559 we can go back to any of those. And so let me go back 324 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:42.039 to my screen share here and points out that the triad there. I don't 325 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:47.440 mean to argue either, that the Old Testament explicitly uses the words triad. 326 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.519 Know, all this necessary, as the Jewish Show scholars are admitting, is 327 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.720 that the Old Testament believers spoke of Father. Yeah. I have to address 328 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.079 this because this is such a basic argument. That's so dumb. Okay, 329 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.880 it doesn't matter if the Old Testament saints use the word triad or not. 330 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.119 They don't have to use the word trinity. Okay. Do you understand whether 331 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.319 it's the Aphulis or whether it's Ttertullian using the word trinity in one fifty one 332 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.440 eighty. Okay, we wouldn't be so stupid as to say that nobody believed 333 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:25.240 in the Trinity until Theophilis or Tertullian uses the word trinity. Okay, you 334 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:31.440 understand how dumb that is. When Justin Marter argues for the Trinity, he 335 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:35.400 uses the Old Testament text, that means he's arguing that the Old Testament he 336 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.519 is the Trinity. They don't have to use the word trinity, just like 337 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.720 when you translate the Gospel into Intuit, you don't have to use the word 338 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.559 trinity, use whatever the Inuit word is for that. This is so dumb, 339 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.559 and I can't believe somebody as intelligent as Trent, who is intelligent, 340 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.400 is that he can't get this, or that he doubles down on these foolish 341 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:59.559 mistakes. Is bizarre to me, which tells me this is a cult. 342 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.640 Tell me what the difference is between Roman Catholicism and a giant cult. I 343 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.640 don't see it. And once Father Moses said that the other day, I'm 344 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.319 like, you know what, this is a giant cult. And they all 345 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.799 act like total cult leaders, I mean cult believers, I should say, 346 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:21.079 because they freak out and foament the mouth and lose it when you start bringing 347 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:25.599 this stuff up or Angel of the Lord or Son of Man and the Spirit 348 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.799 in a real distinctive way. And they do although I mean, imagine using 349 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.319 the New Testament to prove the Trinity and then trying to say that nobody knows 350 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:42.319 the Trinity until the word is used or until nicea. Do you understand how 351 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:46.079 stupid that is? If we're using the New Testament to prove the doctrine of 352 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:51.799 the Trinity, then it means the New Testament teaches the Trinity and the Old 353 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.079 Testament. This is so dumb. I can't believe anybody would make this dumb 354 00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:00.079 of an argument. And by the way, it's actually the argument that Muslim 355 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:06.079 make. Muslim say trinity, not use to Totrian Torturian use word trinity, 356 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:12.079 invented, invented trinity, invented, nice yuah trinity. You're using the Muslim 357 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:17.039 arguments, Trent? Why are you people following these people? What is wrong 358 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.880 with you people? How are you so deluded? How are you so confused 359 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.719 to follow? You have no discernment at all. You don't have a discernment 360 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:36.320 to figure out that people pushing stabby for years? Why would you trust their 361 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.280 discernment on this stuff? I just I'm moauthful. I can't understand what it 362 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:49.159 is about you people that you find attractive about this stuff? Are you that 363 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.880 low tier in your argumentation? What do you mean you people? I mean 364 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:58.440 you people in the audience that follow Trent and Matt Frad and carbohydrate Lofton? 365 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:00.880 Like, how are you that loads here? I just I can't understand, 366 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.360 Help me understand come on the chat, please, please come on and help 367 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:10.920 me understand what is so convincing in these uber loadsier Muslim level arguments from people 368 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.559 like Trent Horn. I can't understand it. Help me understand. Please, 369 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.199 you don't see how lows here this is. I mean, I know a 370 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:32.440 bunch of you have watched Sam Schimun debate. And when Sam Chimun debates, 371 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.440 where does he prove the Trinity from? When he's debating the Muslims and the 372 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:45.159 Jews and the Unitarians the Old Testament? And here's Trent telling you that, 373 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.239 no, Jews didn't worship the Trinity in the Old Testament, the Old Testament 374 00:35:49.280 --> 00:36:02.480 Saints worshiped a generic deity. Here's another Roman Catholic at least admitting that Trent 375 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.119 is way off base. I'm Roman Catholic, and Jay is right. I 376 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.199 don't understand what Trent is doing. Trent can't admit he's wrong, and because 377 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:17.000 to admit that he's wrong and something so fundamental exposes that Trent basically doesn't know 378 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:23.599 fundamental theology. This is embarrassing for a Roman Catholic theologian, an apologist. 379 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:34.599 Do you see what he says right here? Faithful Jews. Did they worship 380 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.880 God before Christ? He says they did, but not the Trinity. There 381 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:45.840 is no God but Trinity. So Trent triples down on the very mistake that 382 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:52.440 I called out in the debate. Trent is a Muslim. He's making all 383 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.920 the arguments Muslims make. Do you know how many times I've had Muslims last 384 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.000 night? The Muslim they called in what did he say? Or the Jews 385 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:06.159 not the worship Trinity, don't believe in trinityan book, don't see Trinity? 386 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.000 Oh well, okay, I guess that settles it. Trent Al Horn, 387 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:23.320 Shake trent Al Horn, follow the great son of Thomas al Suma al Abu 388 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:30.559 aquinas just I mean, I'm just gonna I'm gonna start calling him, shake 389 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:45.280 Trent Horn. What to do? T w t shaik Trent. That's when 390 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.119 they start singing the Koran. You know they're gonna have They're gonna like the 391 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:57.679 like that she has. They sing the songs to Ali Ali and they're gonna 392 00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:15.159 start singing to Trent, to Abu ah boo. Anyway, I don't know. 393 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:22.320 So we're gonna open it up. Somebody said, Pearl is in Trent's 394 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:46.679 harm. That's funny Ai, I'm trent oh ah, all right, we're 395 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.039 gonna open it up. By the way, I used to think this idea 396 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.079 of Chris Long was kind of that's that seems silly and ridiculous. Then once 397 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:02.840 I saw Pope Francis pushing this Abu Dhabi multi faith center, all right, 398 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:09.760 I guess I was wrong. All right, we're gonna open it up. 399 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.760 That means you call in, you can make an argument on whatever you want 400 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.000 in the lists of acceptable topics today. The list of acceptable acceptable topics are 401 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:30.719 Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelicalism, Calvinism, Libertarians, libertarianism seeing that guy 402 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:38.920 still here, Arianism, Jovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Black Heber Israelites, 403 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:45.920 Hebrew roots movements. Those are all acceptable topics today. Pagans neopagans. 404 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:52.400 So basically we're not talking tag and we're not talking atheism. We're only talking 405 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.400 about those other topics. So basically we could just call this well I was 406 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.880 gonna say, we would call it cults, but atheism is another topic, 407 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.280 so that didn't even work. But you call in on the space right there. 408 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.559 Now, I've got all the things ready to go. We can talk 409 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.280 about whatever topic you want. I've got Denzinger here, I've got all the 410 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.320 paper and cyclicals here. I've got the Giady document, the Alexandria document. 411 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.519 I've got the Bible pulled up. I got it all ready to go, 412 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.599 all right. Today's first requester is a libertarian man, Dennis Pratt, who 413 00:40:39.679 --> 00:41:00.440 wants to discuss Holly, you got an immune, dude,