1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:07,360 Ask talkers. I always open it up to give the sass an opportunity to 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,919 come and make their case, to explain to us why we should believe in 3 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:19,199 whatever the position is, whether it's Roman Catholicism, Protestanism, Calvinism. Today 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,079 is not about atheism, so we're not talking tag and atheism. If you 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,320 call in about tag and atheism, I'm immediately going to skip you. We're 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:33,479 not talking about random obscure topics. None of that is the topic today. 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:41,759 The topics are actually communiately listed for you. Catholicism, Protestantism, libertarianism, 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:51,000 black ubil Israelites, arianism, Job's witnesses, Muslims, Unitarians, Mormons may 9 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:59,039 all call in gnostics. Those are all acceptable topics. Basically, we're not 10 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:00,880 talking tag and we're not talking atheism. We want to see if we can 11 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,079 focus on getting the Protestants, the cults, the sex the groups, the 12 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,519 Unitarians, and even of course the Roman Catholics, because I'm more and more 13 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:17,159 convinced that the best description for Roman Catholicism is actually a cult. It is 14 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:25,560 an irrational cult that enslaves its people to a religion of dead works, lacking 15 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:34,920 the power thereof as Paul says, focusing their people on ridiculous superstitions, apparitions, 16 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:41,359 visions fatima when they inevitably encounter the theological contradictions that exist in the religion 17 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:47,879 that are quite fundamental. For example, the top Roman Catholic apologists and people 18 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,760 were surprised that I said the top. I said tap because as far as 19 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:59,760 I'm aware, he has the large audience following namesake Catholic apologist. I mean 20 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,200 could say Matt Frad has a larger channel. But Matt Frad doesn't engage in 21 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:08,800 a lot of apologetics. He basically sits back, interviews people, and talks 22 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:19,719 in his ridiculous Australian accent. Oh yee on mate, freed on keways, 23 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:27,080 I'm an all Australian. I'm just being silly. I do impressions of everybody. 24 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,360 I know that romanchalics get their feelings hurt when I do that impression. 25 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:46,879 But we had another doubling down. If you recall some months back, I 26 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:55,960 mentioned the word triad in passing and Trent Horne assumed as the original tweet shows 27 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,800 that he thought this meant something to do with arianism. I said that, 28 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,960 you know, in our debate, you were incorrect by misunderstanding the fact that 29 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,919 Abraham worshiped the Trinity. Trent thought this was mind blowing, how no natural 30 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,800 theology teaches me that they worshiped a Unitarian God in the Old Testament. And 31 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,439 then he says, I asked if they knew that God was a trinity, 32 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:30,479 Jewish multiplicity in the Godhead could be akin to proto arianism. No. In 33 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,400 fact, the very point of why would argue that the Old Testament teaches the 34 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:38,479 triad is to prove that they were trinitarian Trent. So, as you can 35 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:45,120 see, his initial reply is quite literally a fundamental misunderstanding of the basics that 36 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:47,960 every Orthodox Christian knows by looking at the rueblo of Icon that the Old Testament 37 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,439 saints worshiped the Triad. And Trent says, you even had to use the 38 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:59,960 word triad to describe it, but you would say that modern people that worshiped 39 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,800 triad as in Jehovah's witnesses are not worshiping the once your God. So notice 40 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:12,120 that very clearly Trent didn't even understand the very common terminology amongst the Greek fathers, 41 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,000 the Byzantine theologians, the very theologians who dogmatized and solidified and explicated the 42 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:24,439 Trinity Cappadocians, Saint Maximus, et cetera. For Trent, he thinks this 43 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:31,560 is somehow bound up with Arianism, even though Trent attended, according to his 44 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,079 own description, for many years or presumably for many years the Eastern Right. 45 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:43,560 The Eastern Right hails Palamas as a saint, which actually makes no sense given 46 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,240 the fact that he was considered a damnable heretic for many centuries. And to 47 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:54,560 notice that the most famous work that he has is called the Triads. A 48 00:04:54,639 --> 00:05:00,639 simple search would tell you that amongst the Orthodox world, Triad refers to Trinity. 49 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:08,120 Now what does Trent simply say? Oh, I misunderstood, you're correct. 50 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,680 No, he doubles down, because it shows that he's not even familiar 51 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:20,920 with basic terminology in the very Fathers that dogmatize the Trinity, doubles down and 52 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:30,000 says, no, uh. This is an Egyptian term. What the word 53 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,040 can be synonymous with Trinity, but it's more common as a grouping of deities. 54 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:42,360 Look at the nineteen ninety six Egyptology book from John Griffith. Now, 55 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:46,519 the more common use is not something that from an obscure Egyptologist Trent. The 56 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:50,759 more common use is what you should know from the Uniate world in the Orthodox 57 00:05:50,800 --> 00:06:00,439 world of triad and meaning trinity. This is just silly. Now Trent doubles 58 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:16,720 down again and says that Old Testament Jews did not worship the Trinity. He 59 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:21,720 says it right here, did the faithful Jews who lived before Christ's incarnation worship 60 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:25,959 God? If they did, then they must have worshiped the same God or 61 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:29,959 the trenity of the Christians even though they didn't worship. Trent does not believe 62 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:33,519 that the Old Testament saints worshiped the triad, even though Jesus and John five 63 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:41,959 through nine says that they worshiped the Father, his Angel, and his Spirit. 64 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:46,160 So Trent doesn't even know that the Old Testament teaches the triad. Now. 65 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:49,319 I pointed this out in at the time of the debate, and after 66 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:57,240 we had our debate, and Trent and other people tried to save face and 67 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,759 tried to do damage control. He didn't mean that. Did it mean that? 68 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:10,639 He says right here, literally a few seconds ago, that they didn't 69 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:21,360 believe in the Trinity. So do you understand that Roman Catholics do not understand 70 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:27,600 the Trinity, and I don't mean in terms of an intellectual comprehension. I 71 00:07:27,639 --> 00:07:34,040 mean they fundamentally have ridiculous, stupid theology. And in order to save face 72 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:40,600 and defend his natural theology, Allah of Vaticantwo's no stratate, Trent is literally 73 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:45,360 saying that they believed in a Unitarian God, the very thing that I said 74 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:51,560 was the problem in the debate. Trent still thinks that the Old Testament people 75 00:07:51,800 --> 00:08:00,399 believed in a Unitarian God and not the Triad. So this refew it's all 76 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:05,040 of the Roman Catholic liars that's sat here saying that that's not what true means. 77 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,360 Why do Romancalolics feel the need to lie? And how could you be 78 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:16,560 this silly in your theology to be so ignorant of the Old Testament? Again 79 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:22,199 proving my point in the debate that how would you argue against a Muslim? 80 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Do you not understand that to debate any Muslim requires going to the Old Testament 81 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,639 to prove the Trinity. I even showed a video that was my opening statement 82 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:39,200 in the day on Hookiekitchy debate to Trent, which apparently he hasn't watched because 83 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:48,440 it refutes his stupid heresy in Acts seventeen, in no way says that they 84 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,120 worshiped a Unitarian God. It's just like this guy is on another planet and 85 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,200 doesn't even understand what the debate is. And now the libertarian says he can't 86 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,600 hop on. Dude, I sent you the link. There's no reason why 87 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,200 you can't hop on this debate. It's an open chat. You wanted to 88 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,799 debate. Now you're saying he can't get on here? Give me a break. 89 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:18,360 Here you are you hopped on here? Now? Right? Where's the 90 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:24,799 actual video? I want you to I hope you guys understand that this means 91 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:30,759 that Roman Catholics don't have the basics of the Trinity. I'm pretty sure that 92 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:37,080 trinity is a pretty important doctrine. And you just saw Trent say that in 93 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,559 the tweet that he just put up the very thing that all of his defenders 94 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:48,320 were saying he didn't mean. He says it again. Now, let's remind 95 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,000 ourselves of a few moments of the debate with Daniel Haikikachu, because it turns 96 00:09:54,039 --> 00:10:01,360 out Trent and Daniel have the same god, the Unitarian generic God of natural 97 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,080 Theism. Now, I know that Trent would confess to believe in the Trinity 98 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,120 and the deed of Christ. But he doesn't understand that he's got two conflicting, 99 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,519 contradictory positions in his worldview. And he doubled and tripled down in the 100 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,679 last hour on Twitter on this. So I repeat again, did the Old 101 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:26,039 Testament Saints worship a generic Unitarian deity the very thing that Trent and Roman Catholicisms 102 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,320 are taught to entrent just now within the last five minutes reaffirmed? Or are 103 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,559 they worship the triad as every Orthodox person knows? You just saying that this 104 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,000 is fundamental to us, And they're still wandering around, groping in the dark, 105 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,960 like the Pagans of Acts seventeen, not understanding that it's a triad in 106 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:48,200 the very beginning, because their theology is all jacked up and dumb. That's 107 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,879 why. Because they're in a giant machine that they have to make all of 108 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:58,080 these pieces work and make this giant algorithm that's a giant bunch of contradictions fit 109 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:03,720 together, and they don't. They don't even know what recapitulation is. They 110 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:11,480 don't even know what monarchicali trinitarianism is when it's fundamental orthodoxy. So Let's go 111 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:20,639 back to how we would argue with a Muslim to refute to Trent, were 112 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:30,000 the Old Testament Jews generic unitarians. Let's look at Jewish scholarship explaining to us 113 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:37,919 what they believed. Surprise is that the Old Testaments trinitarian. They were not 114 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:45,879 unitarian. Judaism specifically in the Second Temple period, was not a monolithic Unitarian 115 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,720 enterprise. The question becomes, what are the teachings of the prophets in the 116 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:56,320 Old Testament? Did they actually teach as Islam says, a radical unitarianism or 117 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:00,840 is it something more fluid, or is their differentiation in your In fact, 118 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:07,399 modern Jewish scholarship unanimously is undecided on this question. There's a lot of Jewish 119 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,080 scholarship that is listed here. For example, Daniel boy larn later, I 120 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,879 have Summer and I have a Siegel, and they admit that in the Old 121 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:20,120 Testament itself not due to a Christian deviation, but in the Old Testament itself, 122 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:28,120 we find many, many passages that show differentiation in Yahweh. That differentiation 123 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,559 is not just located in rabbinic debates. It also continues into later medieval debates 124 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,159 with Jewish cabbal law and you could see there. For example, Gursham Scholam 125 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,240 in his book on Kabala, he's the respected Cabalist theologian to the Middle Ages 126 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,080 or a scholar of medieval Kabala. He points out, for example, to 127 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:48,679 beat three beginningless lights that are mentioned. Now, I'm not a cobblist. 128 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,480 I'm just pointing out that this shows that the Jewish tradition is not monolithic in 129 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,480 its presentation. So I'd like to come back then to my screen to me 130 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,519 here and went out that the first display of Trinitarian theology in a law of 131 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,279 the prophets is, for example, here on this whiteboard. And I'm showing 132 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:13,759 this whiteboard because hopefully guys can see this. This is a tremendous amount of 133 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:18,120 texts. Now, this list of texts that you see me post. If 134 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:24,480 you've read Justin Martyr against Trifle the Jew is Trent even aware that Justin Martyr 135 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:30,039 argues from the Old Testament Theophanes to prove the deedy of Christ and his attempt 136 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:35,240 at proving triad. It's like Trent's never talked to a Muslim or never read 137 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,200 these church fathers. Oh but wait a minute, Trent didn't know what the 138 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,840 word triad meant. He thought it was a pagan, anti Trinitarian term when 139 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,759 it's constantly used in the Eastern Church Fathers. So now Trent is doubling down, 140 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,120 as we said, tripling down that the Old Testament saints did not worship 141 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:58,440 the Trinity. They worshiped a Unitarian God. Has he never read John five 142 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,679 through nine? Has he not read Second Corinthians three, where Paul says that 143 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:09,120 Moses looked face to face with Jesus. If no man sees the Father at 144 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,919 any time, as Jesus argues in John to the Pharisees and John five, 145 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:18,799 then who was Moses talking to? This is the point of Jesus' argument to 146 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,679 the Pharisees. I don't think Trent knows the Bible very well at all, 147 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,320 and particularly not the Old Testament at all. I think Trent knows a lot 148 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:33,240 of pop apologetics, because remember Trent was not too long ago a Deist who 149 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,480 converted to Roman Catholicism, and so I don't think Trent knows the Trinity. 150 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:43,879 I think he just accepts that the papacy got all this right. And that's 151 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:48,200 why most of his debates are cultural issues or the papacy. I mean, 152 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,039 maybe he's debated other topics. I don't know. I don't follow these paper 153 00:14:52,120 --> 00:15:03,120 Roman Catholic apologists because they're typically pretty low tier. But I mean, this 154 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,480 is just sort of mind blowing to me. The I mean, what did 155 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,080 we just talk about last night? We spent how many we spent the first 156 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:20,360 hour talking about Old Testament predictions of the Messiah, and when the Muslim called 157 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,480 in, we started to go into various texts in Isaiah, and as I 158 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:28,519 mentioned, there are more than you would you could even imagine in Isaiah if 159 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:31,519 you haven't read Isaiah in a long time. It's called the Fifth Gospel for 160 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,320 a reason, Trent. Why would it be called the Fifth Gospel? If 161 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:45,320 the Old Testament teaches a Unitarian God. Why is the Messiah said to be 162 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:50,720 worshiped? Why does it talk about Yahweh, his Son, his Angel, 163 00:15:52,919 --> 00:16:00,039 his covenant messenger, and his spirit all the way back in Genesis? You 164 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,080 understand that Genesis teaches the triad. Do you understand that when Tripho is against 165 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,720 Justin Martyr, Justin Marter keeps arguing from Genesis and other passages to prove that 166 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,480 who do you think Jacob was wrestling with it's like these people have never read 167 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:19,080 the Bible or something. Bah. But wait a minute, if we're talking 168 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:25,639 about Roman Catholics, that's actually fairly plausible. Outside of someone like Scott Han 169 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:29,039 I'm starting to think that maybe they don't actually read the book. It's a 170 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,200 closed book to them, as Paul says, it's a closed book to the 171 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,360 Jews, and second printhe it's the very passage where it says Moses was talking 172 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,960 face to face with Christ, that the Jews have the veil over their heart. 173 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,360 It's almost like Roman Catholics and Muslims have the veil over their heart. 174 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,480 Yeah, because they're facts similar fake religions. That's why they're religions of dead 175 00:16:49,519 --> 00:17:00,879 works without the power thereof. And I'm just citing these because there's too many 176 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:04,200 to fit on a single screen there with typing it all out. You can 177 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:11,240 screenshot this later and go check the various textual references here for just examples of 178 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,200 Theophanes. And the reason I've included that Theophanies is that these are particularly useful 179 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:22,440 for demonstrating the manifestation of Yahweh in the Old Testament, proving differentiation, So 180 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,200 not just Yahweh, but also the angel messenger that he sends who has the 181 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,079 name of Yahweh as a root in Exodus, the same angel that's present in 182 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,200 the Burning Bush, that angel has spoken of as the messenger of the Covenant. 183 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,200 He's spoken of as in Judges turning the face of Yahwey towards Gideon. 184 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:48,599 Yahweh turns his face to Gideon. So are you noticing a pattern that the 185 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:56,200 refutation of Muslims is becoming the refutation of the Roman Catholics Because Trent's actually, 186 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,720 in a backwards way, back doorway correct that actually you and the Muslim and 187 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,680 that Jew do worship the same God, because it's the wrong God. So 188 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:15,680 Roman Catholics, Muslims, and Jews actually do worship the same Unitarian God, 189 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:22,279 and that's the wrong one. So actually, Trent, in a roundabout way, 190 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,519 is actually correct. And why does he say that? Because that's the 191 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:33,240 basis of his church's dogmatic teaching and knows Ratat And he doesn't even realize that 192 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,519 citing Acts seventeen doesn't prove this. Citing Romans one doesn't prove this. He's 193 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:44,240 just assuming that Acts seventeen and Romans one teach natural theology. When Romans one 194 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:51,799 doesn't say anything about syllogisms and a rationiosnation process about syllogisms and coming to some 195 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,079 conclusion at the end of a bunch of syllogisms about a generic god existing Romans 196 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:59,400 one says that it's on the heart of every man. It doesn't say anything 197 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,759 about intel electual syllogisms. It's not talking about natural theology in your ridiculous churches. 198 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:18,319 Since but Trent knows he has to defend nos Trette saying that he and 199 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,720 the Hindu and all of them wors of the same God. Isn't that interesting? 200 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,880 The Hindu also is part of this natural theology process, and he thinks 201 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:33,119 Acts seventeen backs this up. All Acts seventeen says is that God is the 202 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,799 one giving these providential gifts to everyone, and yet he is unknown. The 203 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:44,200 very point of the passage is that the God that they're after is unknown to 204 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,440 them, and yet Trent is telling me no. Actually, at the end 205 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,039 of a rational process, the pagan can reason out and come to at the 206 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,279 end of a syllogism, how many pagans are sitting there doing syllogisms outside of 207 00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:11,000 Aristotle. Let's be real here, Come on, this is preposterous and even 208 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:15,279 his own people, his own cohorts, whom he's had debates with, are 209 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:19,279 falling out like tim and recognizing, Hey, wait a minute, the Roman 210 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:23,640 Catholic Church's post Vatican two teaching on the Jews is a direct contradiction to the 211 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,480 pre Vatican too teaching on the Jews. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, but 212 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:32,400 it's also a contradiction when it comes to Muslims and Hindus too. You don't 213 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,519 see that the Catholic Church regards with esteem the Muslims. Oh, he means 214 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:41,359 the ones that you called crusades against in the Middle Ages. You esteem them. 215 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,039 They adore the one God. What is the one God that shared between 216 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:49,680 a Muslim and a Roman Catholic When every Muslim will tell you that we don't 217 00:20:49,680 --> 00:21:00,240 worship the same God as you. There is no generic unity that is shared 218 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:08,079 amongst an anti Trinitarian group and a Satanic group and a Monotheistic group. If 219 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,000 I believe that Satan is the creator of heaven and earth and that he lives 220 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,839 in subsistence in himself, am I then also esteemed by the Catholic Church with 221 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:25,400 the Muslims. Do you see how stupid this is? And then it goes 222 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,440 on to say, although they don't revere Jesus as God, they revere him 223 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:37,480 as a prophet. Oh so anti Trinitarians. So now we can substitute Eunomians 224 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:42,319 and Arians and Jehoah's witnesses the Church regards with esteem. The Arians does it 225 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,839 because I'm pretty sure at Niceah it calls Arius the mouth of Satan. So 226 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,519 now we regard Arius as the mouth of Satan, I mean, as a 227 00:21:52,920 --> 00:22:00,880 as a true worshiper of the one God. You understand, Muslims are more 228 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:12,440 removed than Arians are from Christianity. There are multiple attributes that Muslims don't believe 229 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,960 in. They do not believe that God is imminent in the world, and 230 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,680 maybe even some Roman Calolicies don't believe that. Who knows. I mean, 231 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,920 this whole Roman Catholic system is a gigantic mess. And you've noticed they won't 232 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,960 come in debate anymore. All they're left with is why I'm a bad person. 233 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,680 That's all they've had for the last seven years is how I'm a bad 234 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:40,000 person. And yet they keep expanding in their carbohydrate intake. Have you noticed 235 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,599 that Abara and Lofton are looking even fluffier? Well, I guess when the 236 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:53,319 religion is no help, you take solace in the buffet and then dainties and 237 00:22:53,359 --> 00:23:07,240 pastries. But it's not just Muslims. Oh. Whereas the Roman Catholic Church 238 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:14,680 formerly talked very negatively in its liturgical practices about Jews, now they're the elder 239 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:33,480 brothers and they're part of the Covenant. That doesn't make any sense. That's 240 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:42,559 a contradiction to previous traditional Roman Catholic teaching. Now where's the Hindu statement. 241 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:51,799 Yeah, Now, remember this is not saying that Hindus seek out and have 242 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,880 a natural desire for the One True God, because we could say that all 243 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,680 human beings have an innate desire for God because we all have a news. 244 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,359 This says that in Hinduism, in other words, in the false religious system, 245 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,119 the demonic system of Hinduism. And if you read Father Sir from Roses 246 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,079 Orthodox in the Religion in the Future, you can see very clearly that from 247 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:22,920 the Christian perspective, this is a horrendous, terrible, demonic religion. Does 248 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,880 Vatican two say that it doesn't mention anything about it being demonic? It says 249 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:34,279 in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through anexhaustible abundance of 250 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:41,200 myths. They seek freedom from the anguish of human condition through assatical practices or 251 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:48,480 a profound meditation, or flight to God with love and trust, God with 252 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:55,440 a capital G. Did you read the first sentence in Hinduism in a completely 253 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,880 demonic religion. Paul says that the gods of the nations are devils. David 254 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,440 says, the gods in the nations are devils. There's no better example of 255 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:12,240 this than Hinduism. Vatican two says in Hinduism they seek a flight to capital 256 00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:23,920 G God with love and trust. And then it says similar things about Buddhism. 257 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:33,839 The deities of Hinduism and Buddhism are not the triad. They are not 258 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:41,680 secretly Jesus. If Jesus has a way to reach those people, he can 259 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,039 do that. But it is not the demonic system of Hinduism or of Buddhism. 260 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,079 That is the means by which they reach God. And that's the bizarro 261 00:25:52,359 --> 00:26:00,000 language of Vatican two. And it's not just no Sir tat the same stings 262 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,119 said in lum Gentm. Sixteen, because these liars will always sit here and 263 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,839 say, well, we don't have to accept no TTE because it doesn't have 264 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,279 the same level of authority as the other documents, that you got to accept 265 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:18,119 them all. And what a ridiculous system anyway, because it doesn't even tell 266 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,279 you which documents are which Every individual Roman Catholic g hats to figure out which 267 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:34,400 documents are in which authority been The Plan of Salvation includes those who acknowledge the 268 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,759 Creator? Okay, what does that mean? Does that mean I only have 269 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:42,559 to acknowledge a generic idea of a creator like a freemason does or a theistic 270 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:48,200 Satanist. The first amongst these is the Muslims who hold the faith of Abraham. 271 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,200 No, you don't hold the faith of Abraham if you're anti trinitarian, 272 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,160 have you regulations? The only way to be the seat of Abraham is in 273 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:04,119 Christ because Abraham worshiped the trial. Did you hear me, Trent? Muslims 274 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:11,920 worship and adore the One God. No, Muslims do not adore God. 275 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,759 You understand, adoration is worship. So this implies that God accepts the worship 276 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:26,160 of anti trinitarian groups like Muslims. Muslims hate the triad. They hate Christ 277 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,240 because they don't believe that he is deity, divine and John says, if 278 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,960 you don't believe that Christ is God in the flesh, you are spirit of 279 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,119 Antichrist. So this is saying that people who have the spirit of Antichrist motivating 280 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,960 them to stamp out Christianity and the Trinity and the deed of Christ are part 281 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:48,279 of the planet of salvation also actually worship Christ. This is preposterous. This 282 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,880 alone is enough to tell you that this is not the true religion. This 283 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,440 is a departure from Christianity. And Trent and all the other frauds are defending 284 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,440 this, and they will keep doubling down and doubling down, upling down, 285 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,759 because to admit that they're wrong on this means this whole system collapses. And 286 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:10,440 Roman Catholicism is a giant cult and they cannot accept that. It is this 287 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,599 blatant, this out in the open, and this fraudulent, and it is 288 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,000 because it's in everyone's face. This is why they act so they act out. 289 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,599 So this is why they spurg out. This is why they lose it. 290 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,200 This is why they're calling you names and everything in the book. It's 291 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:37,880 all a manifestation of the deep down insecurity and fear that they know about their 292 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,440 papacy and what it does and how it acts and how deceptive it is. 293 00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:03,279 Now on top of this, we had, we had Francis, let's say, 294 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:10,480 if there's anything else in this, yeah, let's talk about let's talk 295 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,039 a little bit about this, and then we'll go back to the point about 296 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,759 francis Is skittles comment, which I'm sorry that people can't figure out that Francis 297 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:26,400 throws a bone to the trads about once every few years and then he immediately 298 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,759 walks it back. He's done this the entire time. By the way, 299 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,000 all the post Vatican two popes have done this same, very this very same 300 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:41,279 thing, where they charge forward with two or three years of absolutely scandalous rebellious 301 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,039 behavior and then they walk it back two steps. You walk ten steps and 302 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:52,039 walk back two steps. It's a very common Overton window. You know. 303 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:59,279 It's a methodology, it's a technique of bureaucracy and control. And then you 304 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,319 throw a bone to the trads to keep them on the leash. And they 305 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,680 all fall for it. All these people fall for it because they're naive and 306 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:15,400 their dupes. And so Francis says, skittle stuff promotes skittles. Civil unions 307 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:22,799 openly everywhere and then says supposedly, oh, but we don't want f in 308 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,599 the seminaries. Oh, by the way, did he do anything about it? 309 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,759 Or do you just say something? Because the entire trad Catholic twitter world 310 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,200 is championing this like this is some great achievement. All your showing is your 311 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:42,160 own fool how foolish you are. Because he can talk all day long and 312 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,400 throw you a bone all day long, nothing changes. He's not doing anything. 313 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,559 He could reform these seminaries. He has the total plenary authority of the 314 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,960 Roman bishop, universal authority. He could extu communicate all of these airing bishops 315 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:03,359 in one stroke of a pen. He doesn't do any of that. He 316 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,319 throws you dummies a bone and you eat it up, and then tomorrow he'd 317 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,640 be back to the revolution. And it wasn't even twenty four hours before he 318 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,720 walked it back and cucked his comments, as Luigi showed on his Twitter. 319 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720 So, by the way, as soon as I put up my tweet, 320 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,039 I said, how long count down to Francis apologizing for his comment. It 321 00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:26,400 wasn't even twenty four hours. I didn't even get to put my tweet up. 322 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:33,119 He was already apologizing for I could even make a joke later, or 323 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,559 we can go back to any of those. And so let me go back 324 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:42,039 to my screen share here and points out that the triad there. I don't 325 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:47,440 mean to argue either, that the Old Testament explicitly uses the words triad. 326 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,519 Know, all this necessary, as the Jewish Show scholars are admitting, is 327 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:56,720 that the Old Testament believers spoke of Father. Yeah. I have to address 328 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:01,079 this because this is such a basic argument. That's so dumb. Okay, 329 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,880 it doesn't matter if the Old Testament saints use the word triad or not. 330 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,119 They don't have to use the word trinity. Okay. Do you understand whether 331 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,319 it's the Aphulis or whether it's Ttertullian using the word trinity in one fifty one 332 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,440 eighty. Okay, we wouldn't be so stupid as to say that nobody believed 333 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,240 in the Trinity until Theophilis or Tertullian uses the word trinity. Okay, you 334 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:31,440 understand how dumb that is. When Justin Marter argues for the Trinity, he 335 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,400 uses the Old Testament text, that means he's arguing that the Old Testament he 336 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,519 is the Trinity. They don't have to use the word trinity, just like 337 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,720 when you translate the Gospel into Intuit, you don't have to use the word 338 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,559 trinity, use whatever the Inuit word is for that. This is so dumb, 339 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,559 and I can't believe somebody as intelligent as Trent, who is intelligent, 340 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,400 is that he can't get this, or that he doubles down on these foolish 341 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,559 mistakes. Is bizarre to me, which tells me this is a cult. 342 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640 Tell me what the difference is between Roman Catholicism and a giant cult. I 343 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,640 don't see it. And once Father Moses said that the other day, I'm 344 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,319 like, you know what, this is a giant cult. And they all 345 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:15,799 act like total cult leaders, I mean cult believers, I should say, 346 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:21,079 because they freak out and foament the mouth and lose it when you start bringing 347 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:25,599 this stuff up or Angel of the Lord or Son of Man and the Spirit 348 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,799 in a real distinctive way. And they do although I mean, imagine using 349 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:36,319 the New Testament to prove the Trinity and then trying to say that nobody knows 350 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,319 the Trinity until the word is used or until nicea. Do you understand how 351 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:46,079 stupid that is? If we're using the New Testament to prove the doctrine of 352 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:51,799 the Trinity, then it means the New Testament teaches the Trinity and the Old 353 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,079 Testament. This is so dumb. I can't believe anybody would make this dumb 354 00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,079 of an argument. And by the way, it's actually the argument that Muslim 355 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,079 make. Muslim say trinity, not use to Totrian Torturian use word trinity, 356 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:12,079 invented, invented trinity, invented, nice yuah trinity. You're using the Muslim 357 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:17,039 arguments, Trent? Why are you people following these people? What is wrong 358 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,880 with you people? How are you so deluded? How are you so confused 359 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:30,719 to follow? You have no discernment at all. You don't have a discernment 360 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,320 to figure out that people pushing stabby for years? Why would you trust their 361 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,280 discernment on this stuff? I just I'm moauthful. I can't understand what it 362 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:49,159 is about you people that you find attractive about this stuff? Are you that 363 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,880 low tier in your argumentation? What do you mean you people? I mean 364 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,440 you people in the audience that follow Trent and Matt Frad and carbohydrate Lofton? 365 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,880 Like, how are you that loads here? I just I can't understand, 366 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,360 Help me understand come on the chat, please, please come on and help 367 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,920 me understand what is so convincing in these uber loadsier Muslim level arguments from people 368 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,559 like Trent Horn. I can't understand it. Help me understand. Please, 369 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,199 you don't see how lows here this is. I mean, I know a 370 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:32,440 bunch of you have watched Sam Schimun debate. And when Sam Chimun debates, 371 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,440 where does he prove the Trinity from? When he's debating the Muslims and the 372 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:45,159 Jews and the Unitarians the Old Testament? And here's Trent telling you that, 373 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,239 no, Jews didn't worship the Trinity in the Old Testament, the Old Testament 374 00:35:49,280 --> 00:36:02,480 Saints worshiped a generic deity. Here's another Roman Catholic at least admitting that Trent 375 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:07,119 is way off base. I'm Roman Catholic, and Jay is right. I 376 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,199 don't understand what Trent is doing. Trent can't admit he's wrong, and because 377 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:17,000 to admit that he's wrong and something so fundamental exposes that Trent basically doesn't know 378 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,599 fundamental theology. This is embarrassing for a Roman Catholic theologian, an apologist. 379 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:34,599 Do you see what he says right here? Faithful Jews. Did they worship 380 00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:38,880 God before Christ? He says they did, but not the Trinity. There 381 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,840 is no God but Trinity. So Trent triples down on the very mistake that 382 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:52,440 I called out in the debate. Trent is a Muslim. He's making all 383 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,920 the arguments Muslims make. Do you know how many times I've had Muslims last 384 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000 night? The Muslim they called in what did he say? Or the Jews 385 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,159 not the worship Trinity, don't believe in trinityan book, don't see Trinity? 386 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,000 Oh well, okay, I guess that settles it. Trent Al Horn, 387 00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:23,320 Shake trent Al Horn, follow the great son of Thomas al Suma al Abu 388 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:30,559 aquinas just I mean, I'm just gonna I'm gonna start calling him, shake 389 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:45,280 Trent Horn. What to do? T w t shaik Trent. That's when 390 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,119 they start singing the Koran. You know they're gonna have They're gonna like the 391 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:57,679 like that she has. They sing the songs to Ali Ali and they're gonna 392 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:15,159 start singing to Trent, to Abu ah boo. Anyway, I don't know. 393 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:22,320 So we're gonna open it up. Somebody said, Pearl is in Trent's 394 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:46,679 harm. That's funny Ai, I'm trent oh ah, all right, we're 395 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:52,039 gonna open it up. By the way, I used to think this idea 396 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,079 of Chris Long was kind of that's that seems silly and ridiculous. Then once 397 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:02,840 I saw Pope Francis pushing this Abu Dhabi multi faith center, all right, 398 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:09,760 I guess I was wrong. All right, we're gonna open it up. 399 00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,760 That means you call in, you can make an argument on whatever you want 400 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,000 in the lists of acceptable topics today. The list of acceptable acceptable topics are 401 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:30,719 Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelicalism, Calvinism, Libertarians, libertarianism seeing that guy 402 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:38,920 still here, Arianism, Jovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Black Heber Israelites, 403 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:45,920 Hebrew roots movements. Those are all acceptable topics today. Pagans neopagans. 404 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:52,400 So basically we're not talking tag and we're not talking atheism. We're only talking 405 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400 about those other topics. So basically we could just call this well I was 406 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,880 gonna say, we would call it cults, but atheism is another topic, 407 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,280 so that didn't even work. But you call in on the space right there. 408 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,559 Now, I've got all the things ready to go. We can talk 409 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:17,280 about whatever topic you want. I've got Denzinger here, I've got all the 410 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,320 paper and cyclicals here. I've got the Giady document, the Alexandria document. 411 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:28,519 I've got the Bible pulled up. I got it all ready to go, 412 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,599 all right. Today's first requester is a libertarian man, Dennis Pratt, who 413 00:40:39,679 --> 00:41:00,440 wants to discuss Holly, you got an immune, dude,