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Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song
Good Evening. Sorry for the delay,

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just having some technical issues also waiting
for my trustee co host to join.

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I think she's having technical issues on
her end as well. But we will

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crack on with the program because we've
got a lot to discuss. We've got

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Farren and Andree waiting in the wings
patiently as well, so we're going to

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We're going to get going and as
soon as Angie can come on, I

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am certain she will join me.
Pedro as well, is out today,

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so I'm on my own. Never
a dull moment in radio, and I

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think he's out to an event.
So Pedro, if you're listening, still

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good evening to you, and I
hope that you have a wonderful time.

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So as mentioned as you've seen on
the flies, if you have, if

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you haven't, then we're going to
be discussing a very very important topic and

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will be speaking to antie knife activists
far and Paul about life on the front

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line. Also joining me, as
I mentioned, is Andre and Andre you're

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becoming quite a regular. I'm gonna
have to get you a Talking Point T

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shirt. You're now officially a part
of the team. Not sure if you

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signed up for that or not,
but a really big thank you to you.

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Huh an honorary member, Yes,
yes, we have a few of

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them. To be fair, we've
been sharing t shirt, so anyone who

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wants to become an honorary member please
let me know, hit me up,

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you know my digits. But also
you can contact us the usual way studio

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at Adventist Radio dot London, or
you can text eight triple to eight space

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hope and then your message and you
know. We're also now on What'sapp.

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It's zero seven four five nine six
four two eight nine eight. I'll give

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you that number again, it's zero
seven four five nine six four two eight

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nine eight. We also welcome your
input this evening. If you've got any

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comments, any thoughts on the topic, anything that you think would be worth

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sharing, then please please feel free
to get involved. Andre has been asking

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me how do we get our listeners
engaged, because he's done a couple of

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programs with us and he hasn't heard
anyone come in. And I have said

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to him that our listeners are loyal
but quiet, and so if you can

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prove me wrong tonight, that would
be good, and just share your thoughts.

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It's a very important topic. It's
a topic that Talking Point has committed

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to bring into the forefront at every
opportunity because we do need to keep the

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conversation going. We need to keep
the issue on the forefront. We cannot

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and will not stop beating the drum
about knife crime and its impact on our

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community. So before we get stuck
in, let me pray, Dear Father,

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as we are about to discuss this
issue, I pray you give us

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fresh insight as to what we can
do to change this awful narrative. Thank

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you for guests who have taken the
time to join us to be part of

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this critical conversation. They're going to
share their story, their struggle, and

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perhaps even their strategies as to how
we can deal with this cancer that has

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taken root in our community. Lord, we thank you for the work of

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the Holy Spirit that will lead the
way and guide the conversation. In Jesus

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name, I pray, Amen and
amen, right as promised. Far and

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are you there? I am I
heard, but very faint. Yeah,

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that's it, that's it. You're
coming through loud and clear, perfect perfect

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Saron. Thank you for joining us. I met you well I've seen the

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interviews I'm sure most of our listeners
have, from BBC to I t V,

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to Sky everywhere about this wonderful work
that you're doing. But I had

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the privilege of meeting you, and
the circumstances was not ideal, and we

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kind of had a quick chat about
the possibility of you coming on, and

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I'm thankful that you honored the commitment. I know you're a very busy man,

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and I know there's lots going on. Even as we are talking offline,

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I can hear, you know,
conversations happening in the background. So

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I just wanted to start off by
saying thank you very much for taking out

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the time to join us and to
add your voice to the conversations that've been

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having we've been having on this very
important issue. So good evening to you.

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No believing big shout that I really
really appreciate you have me on and

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I really appreciate you know, keeping
conversations. But you said, you know,

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I believe that you know without thought
that with that conversation there's no thoughts

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with that force in low actions,
you know, So it's a domino effect,

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you know. Me you no,
thank you very much and You're very

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right. It starts, it starts
with a conversation. It doesn't end there,

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and you're gonna let us know what
we can do and what you are

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doing. But it certainly can start
with a conversation and we're happy to do

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that and hopefully we'll do more,
and you let us know how we can

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contribute to the work that you are
doing and the work that's happening. And

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it's not just you. There were
several people at the at the vigil,

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and so many young people, so
many organizations, and it has to be

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a collective effort. We know that, we know that it's not one person,

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it's not one entity. It has
to be a collective effort. And

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certainly as a group, as a
church, as an individual, we must

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find a way to get involved.
So yeah, absolutely, Now I'm gonna

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dig deep because I have seen a
few of your interviews and I know time

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has always love the essence, So
they really start at the crux of the

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matter. They start at you know, what are you doing? You know

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what's the success of what you're doing
and all that. But I want to

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go back, if you'll permit me
to talk a little bit about far and

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the man tell us a little bit
about your upgringing. You know, where

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were you raised, where were you
born, that kind of stuff. So,

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if you permit me, I want
to start at a very very beginning,

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where you born and raised in the
UK. What's your what's your heritage,

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what's your background? Yeah? My
parents? Okay, now you've gone

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quite again. I'm not sure,
can you hear me? Yes? Yes,

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So my parents I descend, that's
from Jamaica. My mom come over

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here in nine sixty five, that
wings Rush generation. My dad's parents are

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from Jamaica, but my dad was
born in the UK. I grew up

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in partnam my whole life, you
know, around the North London areas,

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from wood Green the Totland back to
wood Green into Mars Hill. My life

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consisted around North London in terms of
schooling, in terms of home, in

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terms of friends. Okay and yeah, man might bring in like I'd like

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to explain and kind of go to
the word home. You know, it

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don't matter where you are in the
world. You know, you can find

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someone in the biggest scale, but
a home is a home to them,

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you know, and it's only until
you come away from that you can kind

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of see what you living, like
how where you're living and what kind of

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conditions you're living in. But at
the same time, I just believe anyone

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that grows up in a certain environment, like they adapt to the environment.

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They become a part of the environment. And it's easy for younger be influenced

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into that environment they're forced to live
into, and it's a little bit harder

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for them to kind of like sad
step that I said, You know what

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they say, the kind of life
want to live. These are the kind

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of people that I want to associate
with. And when you're young and when

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you're naive and you're impulsive, it's
easy to just mix around with whatever it

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seems relevant at the time, do
you know what I mean? So,

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yeah, man, And it's it's
the same now, isn't it. Yeah.

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And I'd like to say that you
know, I had a loved me.

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Yeah, she loved me all her
heart, do you know what I

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mean? She loved all my brothers
and sisters, and she always did her

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best. And you know what,
for where she was and where we grew

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up, my mom gave us the
most comforting love in that life she could

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understand. And my dad, he
was just my dad. To, you

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know, like a stand up strong
man, like you didn't take nobs,

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like whether it's from me, someone
in the street, the police, like

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he just took no bs. He's
just like a solid guy. But with

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me, it's like I kind of
found myself. Was that my family,

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like we're so how can I say
well known and such a big part of

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Tottenham that it almost came with like
how can I say an expectation of how

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we act towards other people or the
disrespect that you would take, the disipect

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that you wouldn't, you know.
And because I was good in the school

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as well academically, I did my
thing man, you know what I mean,

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Like I didn't struggle in school,
my reading, my writing a one

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like the coursework was doing it.
But I still passed my GCS. You

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know, I held the truth.
I went when I was in year nine,

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start to do my gcs. Don't
help this stuff. Yeah, when

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I was doing my gc c S, I actually got in trouble. I

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was in probation. I never went
to my probation. So I'm going to

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tell you young people that if you've
got probation, understand you just skipped jail.

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Yeah, and work with your probation
officer, because if you do mess

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up with your probation officer after going
to court, you probably end up in

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jail. And that's what happens to
me. Yeah, my probation officer recommended

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the custodial sentence. So that's the
first time went to Joel. I went

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to Joe in year nine, right, and I was doing my GCSE.

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I was such a I was a
good enough student in school that the teachers

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love me. They sent me the
coursework to the prisons. You know,

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I've done my I've done my GCSE
courses in prison and I came out and

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I passed. And that's kind of
where the crossroad was because there's a guy.

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Now. At that time, I
was running for England. You know,

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I was training mo Farah, I
was doing the jabbling the Kathline and

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like I was just that guy.
I was so fit, so healthy,

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Like I'm that guy that would have
to meet Alexanda padacen' all that is.

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And I have to go to school
in the n K Hornsey and I have

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to put my sister in a W
three boss. I run all through Ali

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Paddy down to the bottom of Thaunsey. I catched the bus with my sisters

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and I'm there and not even breathing
heavy that so ready for it. But

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that's that was a crossroad because with
that there's a lot of guyn on man

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people friends, girls, regardless that
I have my first child young as well.

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I had my first child when I
was fifteen, you know, so

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there was a lot of gying on
in the process of me. I'm thinking

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about sm right, there's a lot
of letters down on here. Is is

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that real? And then yeah,
I got into an incident where I got

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hurt, but I was defending someone. One minute. I was defending someone

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that I after that care daily for
and the man is trying to hurt them

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and they're the female. Okay,
So can I stop you? Can I

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stop? You? Can I stop? You? Can I stop you?

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You're going You're going too fast for
me because I need I need some explanations.

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You're telling me that you were in
jail at in year nine and these

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are separate to the issues that you're
talking about now, So what what happened?

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Then? Do you care to tell
us? Why? How? How?

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What? Yeah? Now, so
basically, all my little mates I

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was forty years old, all my
mates, they must have ran into some

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old warehouse place, and the thing
about it was there whatever, nothing in

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the warehouse, do you know what
I mean? It was just like but

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it went but because we went into
the warehouse. So my friends broke into

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the warehouse the previous day. They've
come into the art. There's a building

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and it's got this nanny. But
I was just like some oblivious, that

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little guy. So when I'm gone
there, when the windows are broken,

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So what I did, like,
I like, I worn't no hard in

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criminal and I was just like going
with the floor and I saw a bit

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of glass in the window that I
needed to go through. So I just

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took the glass out with my fingers, no gloves, and I just tasted

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neatly on the floor. Thing.
Listen, about eight weeks later, my

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doors goes in boom barren. You
arrested. Yeah, I'm like, what,

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No, this is crazy. What
i't even done? After I didn't

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get that building there that was empty. I had nothing in a part of

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milk cottons. But it don't know, it's still private proppery. We still

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broke into it there, so we
got done for commercial whatever. But because

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of that, I got put in
a Probation Service program, and I honestly

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just felt like, I'll be real, I've got a mindful of language,

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right, yes you have. It's
a Christian station. Yeah yeah, So

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I just for sud probation man,
like you to tell me if you don't

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really care about you, man,
you gotta just sitting there with white boarding

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and trying to issue me. Yet
you care about mate? And then I

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kept missing appointments and then one day
that was it. Man. I went

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to probation one day and as I
finished my poem, I see police when

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there? You get me out?
And I looked at my probation officer and

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he looked at me and that I
was like. I looked at him and

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with my lips are like, f
you like that? And then he just

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turned me back and walked up and
then arrested me. And I was like,

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right, damn man, But in
my heart, he's done me day?

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He done me? Day? Did
he like? This is trouble I

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worked for in protocol? Do you
know what I mean? One minute?

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So tell me, and remember you've
got to watch your language. Tell me

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what what are your parents saying at
this? Because you're saying your father is

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strict your Mom's at home trying to
raise, you know, a family,

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a respectable family. What are they
saying at this point when you've got you've

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got, as you say, the
Feds that you're doing, what are they

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saying? Did you tell them that
my mom? Yeah? But I told

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the truth in it that my mom
she's just that mumming it that she just

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always try to huddle you and company
you through anything. You know what I

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mean. I'm just her son.
My dad. Like when I say you're

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strict, I don't mean strict where
oh, don't just don't do that like

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you're strict. Like he's a guy
that he was a guy that if after

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I went out, we've done city
stuff, like like we're in big trouble

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for it. Do you know what
I'm saying? That big, big trouble.

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But as I got older, it's
like his his reign over me kind

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of like diminished in it. I'm
older, I'm sixteen seventeen and running around

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the streets, I'm doing bad boy
things like that, who you cooking?

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Do you know what I mean?
But it was just a bit naive in

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it, like to everything, you
know what I mean. But at the

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same time, the relationship with my
dad is nothing at the relationship I had

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with my mom. You know what
I mean. Okay, I've got I'm

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gonna I'm gonna say two things here. I've got I've got Angela who's just

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joined us. Angela, are you
hearing? Are you? Are you there?

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I think you're on meat Hello.
Okay, I think she's still I

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think she's still having technical issues.
I've got Andre and Andrea. I wanted

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to know if you is there anything
you've heard so far that sort of picked

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your attention, anything that you want
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I am. I'm taking on board
what Barren said, and I don't think

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his story is different to so many
of our young people, particularly in sort

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of what he'll call the ghetto areas
or you know, hard or rough areas,

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which is more or less London if
you, if you ask me.

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But I don't think that's a story. That difference differs to so many of

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our young men. And it's unfortunate
because they do get themselves caught up into

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things that maybe they're innocense, so
the naivety doesn't really present the true consequence

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to them. And this was Paran's
parents. As you're saying, this is

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what happened to you. But it
was a real it was a real eye

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opener, a pivotal moment for you. I have a question. I'm not

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asking. I'll ask you know you
decided if you answer later on or not.

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But with with what a young boys
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streets and what's happening. I was
listening to a podcast or a channel just

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this week. Funny enough, we're
funding for certain sports and development in sports

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is just diminishing, and all kinds
of excuses of being given way funds and

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not. For example, the guy
that was specifically talking about basketball for example,

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it has been shown if you put
funds into into developing and training on

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people in sports like basketball, for
example, it actually diminishes the amount of

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time associated in that community. And
yet the body that's responsible for giving funding

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was saying, for basketball for example, that is too niche a sport for

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them to put the amount of money
in that they're being asked for, which

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was ridiculous. But my question is
this. You mentioned that you were very

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athletic, you were running for England, you were training in that direction.

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How much of that was protective?
But you not getting into trouble or did

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it not make a difference, And
do you think it will make a difference

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now with the young around you know
it is. It's just like it's kind

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of like I'm going to ask that
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to the previous for what she were
saying about, you know, young people.

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But I was gonna say to you, like with me, I feel

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like they see, I'm a person
that had a big family of four older

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brothers, four younger sisters, a
dad, mum, cousins, you know

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what I'm saying, And I just
felt like I didn't need had associates.

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But deep down it's like when it
really came to crunch, I had my

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brothers there. So I'm just gonna
say that for someone like me, although

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we all may be grown up in
the same kind of environment, my family's

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big. I had to keep up
and speak to you know what I'm saying,

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with his friends, with his fires
together, whatever. Some of these

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young cemen in the street, no
one, It's just them and their mom,

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do you know what I mean.
It's hard, and that's why they

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start to embrace the outside world and
the outside gangs and consider them family because

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that's their brothers. That's their protection, that's their friendship, that's who you

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can relate to them on certain things. That's if they can send pictures of

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girls to and go back and forth
with if you can't do that in the

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house with just you and your mom
or just you and your little sister,

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do you know what I mean?
So they kind of start venturing to find

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like the misvoided, the misboys that
they've got. And then going back to

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your question, Andre and regarding athlet
you, No, I just felt like

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it was my age and I just
felt like I was just a bit immature

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and naive to my talent and to
where it could have got me. You

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know, I was like really really
doing well. Like the javelin world record

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was ninety meters. I was throwing
sixty five meters at the age of fifteen.

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You know, I would right sub
eleven at the age of fifteen as

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well. I was really really ready. And what it was, It's like

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I just never knew how to have
the maturity and the drive, and I

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must say I never had the proper
guy then to keep doing what I need

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to do this. You know,
I believe guidance is very important and not

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just like like, I don't never
name anyone that was a part of my

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life or my family and say that
I've got that they should have done more,

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but I would learn from that.
And that's why with my children from

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this young age here, my children
are doing so many sports that I've got

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my sons doing jiu jitsu. I've
got them doing everything, Zion, zaying

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a minute, Yeah, I've got
my fun doing jiu jitsu, they're doing

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stage, stage coach, They're doing
swimming, they're doing tennis. I'm putting

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them through all these sports. And
if you feel like you've got any desire

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to follow them, then that's it. Zion, what's your favorite activity?

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Singing? Like you you're singing yet? Yeah? Thank before saying so that's

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what I'm saying. That's on there. His favorite activity singing, and that's

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his dramas, you know what I
mean. And and these are the things

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zaying, what's your favorite activity?
Son? Yeah? Would you like to

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do the best that wold activity?
You know that you know what you want

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it when you go to skate,
stage coach, basketball, jiu jitsu,

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which is your favorite one? But
what's your favorite thing you'd like to do?

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Art? Drama, gymnastics, swimming, what's your favorite one? Swimming?

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All right? Yeah, So as
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It's so important for these trucks be
doing this and when they start to

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find something they love to do and
they start to build their body, their

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physical structure. But you know what
happened when these kids get to a certain

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age, right, yeah, and
they need the money, mother's comfort,

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right and mother's feeding and looking after. They can turn out and start having

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a bad diet. You can start
eating all so starts a food right.

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You can just be doing stuff and
living in a wave right there where your

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life, your body physicily diminishes.
Your sitting there and you're smoking weed,

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you're having intercourse at a young age, you're drinking alcohol, you're staying up

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late. Mate. These guys are
getting to fifteen sixteen, and they bobby

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stopped growing, right these young children. You keep a young child in in

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sportsount of time. They get their
physical games from it. They feel better

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in themselves, they look better,
they get skills, they build their confidence.

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My son know that. But I
know by the time my son's a

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certain age, they to be self
sufficient. In jiu jitsual skills. I

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know, my daughter, we're about
to swim, you know what I'm saying.

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And these are life stills because I
went to Spain three years ago and

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one of my sons may be drowned
in the war, right, and the

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lifeguards stood there in shop at the
war. I do under Steve Wow,

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I would, And I'm just saying, right, that's a skill though.

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You know, if I never went
to my first day training course, I'm

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going to know how to do CPR
on a child. I know the ratios

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and the force to use, and
two things instead of a whole pump,

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you know, and the mauth mauth
S doctation attorneys head to decide and clear

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the airway, these little things,
you know. And I just feel like

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it's really important the children have skills
because at the end of the day,

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when they've got skills, they can
get a trade or they get a job.

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And when you get a trade or
a job, you get finances from

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it. And when you get finances
from it, you don't want to lose

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your finances. That's your life.
But if these young children go into the

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street and they start finding finances,
industry ill games, right, They're never

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going to understand and going to work
for fife hundred pounds like before tax,

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get your money when they can be
getting a grand the week, come up

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the road. You know what I'm
saying. But it's hard for a young

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persons to differentiate the consequences and the
longivity that comes with selling drugs and getting

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your career at you know, so
kind of put a stick stick up in

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there or put a pin there.
I'm going to take a break, play

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a song because you've you've happened on
something that I think is very crucial,

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the fact that there needs to be
guidance there. The needs to be structure

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in place, and it sounds to
me that you've got that balance right with

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your one more thing though. Yeah. Sure, the structure needs to be

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replicated in every place that these children
are, and that starts from a whole

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to the school, and then to
the youth centers outside of that, and

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then to every day life of them
interacting in the street, parties, friends,

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part understands. So everyone needs a
bit of guidance. And that's what

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I'm saying to you, mate,
What your son is going at to your

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his friend's house, Well, listen, mate, make sure you know where

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the house is make sure you've got
the parents' number, and make sure you've

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got when your phone, son's phone
goes off and you can't find him.

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You know where he is, do
you understand? And it's just little thing

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that that communication that to save your
son's life. You know where he is,

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you know where to go and get
him from. You know. I

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love that. I love that.
JJ. If you're listening, I didn't

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say it right. We're going to
take a break and we'll be right back.

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Before I knew my name, before
I drew a breath, he was

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making ways for me. Now and
every day, in each and every step,

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he's making ways for me. When
my heart is full of doubt,

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feels like faith is running out.
I've come too far to turn around.

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I know God will work it out. God we'll work it out. Worry,

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I know, wanting not fa God
We'll work it out. Oh is

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he wa? They were coming agether
pushing past? If he's fighting to believe,

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he's making ways for me and he
won't let me down. Never relity,

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He's still making ways for me.
When my heart is full of love

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time it feels like he is running
out of cons you to turn im No,

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lo, God will work. God
will work out. One thing,

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not one thing not found Warner.
God will work. God will work up.

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God will work. Want me,
want me fa, God will work

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out. Oh, be encouraged,
being couraged, be encouraged. Oh be

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still my soul, be still,
and no me say come ye God,

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h be still my so be still
and no say in God bes Maverick City

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one of my favorite groups. Sure
yours as well with God will work it

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out. We're back. Lots of
conversations still to come. We're back with

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Farren, Andre and Angela is in
the house show finally connected. Long mate

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last and you jump right in.
You had a question everyone, So I

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was listening in so Baren, I
wanted to come back to what you were

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just saying with regards to sometimes people
doing things without really thinking about the consequences.

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And you spalked a little bit about
you know, how the parents roll

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and what you can do. Did
you and your friends ever talk about the

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kind of consequences of some of your
actions in a sense of like you've talked

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about, you did a lot of
activities. You were very athletics into sports,

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so you've potentially had a very right
freature in that respect. But then

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you still got caught up in doing
things, and obviously there was a consequence

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to that. But was it ever
a topic of conversation something you spoke about

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to sort of saying you could make
different choices at all? Well, at

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that time, when you're young,
you're not even impulsive, and you feel

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like the world's in front of your
feet and no one could tell you anything,

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So once it can you guys?
Yes, yes, yes, So

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basically back to your Christian angel,
are about talking about consequences as a young

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person. No, we didn't,
but we spoke about the consequences where it's

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too league of consequences, right ask
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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And that's what happens in it because
memory it's like this when you're young and

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you haven't experienced certain things, it's
just it's just a young man just doing

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what we want, like you want. When you want to understand a consequence,

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how can you think about a consequence
that you've never been a part of.

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How can you think of a consequence
that no one's coaching has ever really

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been through? Do you know what
I mean? At the age of fifteen

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sixteen, no one did Joe for
a long term sentence is no one's really

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got hurt acting that because member,
if you go back fifteen years and you're

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in school and stuff, it's just
like it's school energy, school friends running

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around doing this, doing that,
you know what I mean. So so

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no, like we didn't speak about
the consequence. But I believe with maturity

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and growing up, that's when you
start to consider your consequences. Yeah,

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I think the reason I asked that, and as much as I kind of

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I asked the question, I almost
had the answer it maybe just think I

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used to work as a youth worker, and you center, I've round projects

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where sometimes I'd be addressing some of
these issues and some of the things or

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behaviors or activities my young people are
getting into and actually challenging them to say,

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do you know what if you did
this, what do you think is

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going to happen? And for many
people, you're right, Baron, they

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didn't talk about that, they didn't
think about that, and you're right,

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nobody can tell us what to do. We're just doing what we're doing.

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And it isn't you know, you're
young people, you're young. It's about

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discovery doing different things. But I
think sometimes just challenging them to say,

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well, actually just stop for a
moment and just think. And for some

408
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it was a bit of a it's
an eye opener, a bit of a

409
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.000
revelation to say, actually, yeah, you're right. You know. I'm

410
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.400
not sure whether it made any difference
at the time, because it's often in

411
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.920
the moment, but I think sometimes
actually challenging, and I wonder whether parents,

412
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.240
aunts, uncles, whatever can play
a part in just sort of pointing

413
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.119
some of those things out, and
if they did, would it make a

414
00:33:55.160 --> 00:34:00.319
difference. I don't know. Yeah
this question then, y, yeah,

415
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.440
I just wrote. But what it
is, I just feel like balance and

416
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.719
communication is to be consistent. No
like that that we're talking about life fans

417
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.000
there, Like we're talking about decades
of maturing and growing up, you know

418
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.760
what I'm saying. So I feel
like you need to be consistent then,

419
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.840
and that's why I think it's important
for the people to be in children's lives,

420
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.719
you know, like you need strong
wealth figures, you know what I

421
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.360
mean. You need people that's that
a young man can look up to.

422
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.960
Because remember what a lot of people
understand is that you see a young man,

423
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.320
a young boy, his daddy is
superhero, right, his dad is

424
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:40.519
the strongest man. His dad can
do everything right. And the minute that

425
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.639
dad starts to let the kid down
or that dad days in a certain way,

426
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.440
then it becomes in applicable for the
kid to do so too. And

427
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.400
that goes from negative oppositive. Trust
me, if you stag in the front

428
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.119
of your boxing back every day with
your two old son, I guarantee you

429
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.280
that that would start hit in the
bag because that's what he's gonna do.

430
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.960
That's what daddy does right, and
then he would just find his love to

431
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:00.840
you know what I'm saying. And
if you sit down and just smoke weed

432
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.920
a funny a kidded day brother,
Yeah, I drink alcohol, bro.

433
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.519
Yeah, like you don't be surprising
if your kids smoke about to having fifteen.

434
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.159
You know what I'm saying, Because
if mommy can do it and daddy

435
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.159
can do it, then I can
do it. And if my mum and

436
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.079
dad did't me do it, then
nobody can't tell me nothing. And that

437
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.320
goes to the school right the way
after the metropolity police is the government.

438
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.960
I'm a bad man. Yeah,
Yeah, it's not what I say is

439
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.679
what I do, isn't it?
Yeah? And I definitely agree with your

440
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.559
points about things being consis consistent in
different environments of different contexts. So ideally

441
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.199
the work should be happening in schools, at home. You've sent church is

442
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:37.480
what have you? Well, there's
your Yeah, I don't think you heard

443
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.840
the point when I said them,
like like it needs to be that the

444
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.559
supporting a guy that needs to be
replicated in every sect. No, yeah,

445
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.280
I have I definitely agree with you
more. Yeah, it has to

446
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:52.039
be man because me, if this
kid know that home is strict here,

447
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.360
but when mommy goes out, but
I can bring everyone into my house above

448
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.639
yeah and have a party. The
mommy going to be a tomorrow, SI

449
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.880
cook in the evening, then that's
what they're going to do. Yeah,

450
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.360
do you know what I mean?
And it's just like these children, they

451
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.400
would do what they're allowed to do. They would do what their parents or

452
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.760
their people they look up to considered
okay to do. And sometimes it's negative.

453
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:20.079
Not actually more times than not,
they're not. It's actually negative experience

454
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.519
that these young children through that it's
okay to be a part of you know

455
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.119
what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, let's let's go back then to your

456
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.760
story, because I'm conscious we're got
to keep an eye at the time.

457
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.800
Let's go back to your story,
if we will. You're saying that,

458
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:40.119
you know, year nine probation,
you skipped your first sort of instance of

459
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:44.880
going to jail. Then you fast
forward a little bit and you're saying that

460
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.960
you then got in more trouble later
down trying to defend a friend. Is

461
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.280
that kind of what happened after?
Yeah? No, So basically as I

462
00:36:54.360 --> 00:37:01.360
said in it, family members.
They're both females. M Yeah, And

463
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.480
I just thought to myself that bro, like, there's no way I'm going

464
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.760
to watch a man, yeah,
physically try to fight my sister and I'm

465
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.960
not going to get involved, you
know. That's that's what it was.

466
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.920
That's exactly what it was. He
just tried to hit my sister fight.

467
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.639
He's old at the time, went
down there, had a fight on my

468
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.639
hands and he pulled it at knife
and that's exact and I got stab nine

469
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.519
times, and the exact same thing
happened three years. They are nine times

470
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:35.480
again defending my girlfriend at time.
And that's what I'm saying. That's just

471
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.880
who I am, Like, I'm
just a natural I can't help it.

472
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.880
I'm a natural protector. I'm telling
you right now, that's a boss coming

473
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.639
down the road and I'm crossing the
road with my girlfriend, and I know

474
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.079
to myself, I can push it
right away and take the hit. That's

475
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.360
what's gonna happen. That's just me, because anything, it's just how I

476
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:57.000
think my daughter, my son,
my girlfriend, bro any trauma of pain

477
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.440
that's coming towards them, I'm going
to be able to survive it better than

478
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.440
would I'm stronger than them. That's
just that's just it. I can't help

479
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.400
it, Like it's just a natural
reaction to me. I can't even help

480
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.679
it. I was just head over
like that's me head over hills. But

481
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.639
so you're you're protective but not aggressive. This is what you're saying. It

482
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.280
wasn't You've not lived a life of
aggression. It's just that you are protective.

483
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.800
So we're drawing a line between the
two. Is that what it is?

484
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.599
Yeah, I'm very protective, but
I've got morals as well, and

485
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.199
I'm like, yeah, I have
to bully the bullies in school. You

486
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.639
see the bullies that bully everyone else
or give the teachers trouble. My teacher

487
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.360
just look at me and wing like, barn, do you know what I'm

488
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.559
saying, like I'm that guy,
but I weren't a nuisance like that,

489
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.400
even though I was in school,
no uniform, the teachers allowed me.

490
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.960
But because I just had like my
respect for the teachers, like yes,

491
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.119
sir, no sir, Like you
know what I mean, I wouldn't.

492
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.800
I weren't just there just bullying people
like I've got my work done quick because

493
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.039
I was capable of doing it quick, you know what I'm saying. And

494
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.519
then I'm a man that finished the
work and last player and the duck out

495
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.719
of school to get me. And
then I found you can't keep doing this.

496
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:01.880
I know you've done your work,
but you can't keep doing this.

497
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.880
But like my work done, and
you know right now that I've got a

498
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:08.880
baby in the way back. You
know what I'm saying. I was to

499
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:14.519
the hospital. This is what I'm
dying through all these like crazy little distractions,

500
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.800
you know what I'm saying, lifelong
distractions as well. So baby is

501
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:22.880
before the stabbing. Baby, baby
baby came before the stabbing. You became

502
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.199
a dad before the stabbing. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Wait

503
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.400
when I got stab one of my
thoughts was like three four years old.

504
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.079
Wow, I remember walking to the
hospital and I had all drains coming out

505
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:36.920
of my neck. I had a
cafeter in that had trips in each arm

506
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.440
and tripping my throat like I was
in a bad way. Man, How

507
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:44.440
are you living with eighteen stab wooms? Eighteen stab wounds? My goodness,

508
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.920
amazing, that's god. I have
to say. So. I got stabbed

509
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.800
eighteen times. I suffered forty percent
blood loss. I suffered delayed senship,

510
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:58.679
delayed sension analysis. I suffered nerve
damage. I suffered paralysis in my arm.

511
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:00.039
And that's what I'm saying. I
have to work back from that.

512
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.320
It weren't easy, many of the
emotional and physically. I didn't want to

513
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.840
be here normal. You understand that. It's the worst I've been. I

514
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.679
must have lost that free for a
stone. Yeah, in that period have

515
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:13.920
been sick and that worked good.
Yeah. And I sat down and I

516
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:15.480
said, I don't want to be
here no more. And I don't want

517
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.440
to be here. People following in
private number, I said, oh,

518
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.800
I heard you're gonna die. He
said die. People said I was hearing

519
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.039
I was getting all that friends Center. A lot was going on in my

520
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.159
personal life and everything. I said, you know, I don't want to

521
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.239
be here. I said, I
don't want to be here normal, and

522
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.639
I was standing on the ninth floor
in a flat. I kept it from

523
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.800
the bathroom like I'm going to do
it. I'm going to do it.

524
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:38.679
And I was like, Oh,
that's gonna hurt. No, man,

525
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.039
I gotta find a bit away.
Then I had loads of tablets and paintless

526
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.039
and I didn't study. I'm going
to do all of him as well,

527
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.800
to take hold of him, and
and I must have took up little mad

528
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:53.960
con touch and I felt really sick. I was like, oh, that

529
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.480
is long. I ain't doing that. Then I went down to the train

530
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.239
station. I can walking around the
train station that I'm going to go to

531
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.320
the last station and no one's in
the station and I'm going to do that,

532
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.960
like that, that's what I'm going
to do. And I swear down

533
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.039
and then it's like something just came
over me. And I was like and

534
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:21.320
then I stood in the train station
and I just screamed my whole life wow.

535
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.679
I went back to the house.
By this time, when I was

536
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.760
in the state, I had metal. I had like a cast of my

537
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.679
next holding my next straight because of
all the scar tissue and all the rest

538
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:35.920
of it. I had a sling
on my arm. I had metal staples

539
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.480
guy from my left air the bottom. I left there all the way down

540
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.960
and down into my chest, bold
across my clabical bone. They took my

541
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.840
tenders out of my neck. It
was a lot, man, that it

542
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.039
is a lot. And I said, know what I didn't? I said,

543
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.559
you know what, my mom,
Yeah, she's not going to bury

544
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.800
me. I'm not letting my mom
bury me. Bro because that there,

545
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.280
I know that I kill my mom, that it sold kill my mom said,

546
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.079
I'm not gonna let a very me. And the next one, I

547
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.960
thought, I'm not gonna let my
children explain every time in their life when

548
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.960
someone says, where's your dad or
whatever? Thought back down that day dad

549
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:12.199
committed suicide. I'm like, you
know what, that's selfish. I gotta

550
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.000
find a new route. So you
know what I've done. I went to

551
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:22.079
H and V and I bought that
CD DMX and I put a number eleven

552
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.119
and that song is I'm slipping,
I'm falling. I can't get up.

553
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:28.440
Get me back on my feet so
I can take up, And brother,

554
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.760
I said to God. I went
to art course. I bought a little

555
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.519
rolling machine, so I can get
the mood with my arm back, and

556
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.960
then I've got I can stay up
board. And I kept doing sit up

557
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.599
and I said to myself because on
the ninth floor, I used to keep

558
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.599
going on a splight and says,
so over the months, I could do

559
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.199
one flight, two flats, three
bags, and but my arm was still

560
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.400
already bad and my neck was bad. It took me three months to strip

561
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.920
to SCARTI show out of my neck
to get full movement again. Then but

562
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.000
I just said to my my arm
was really bad. And I said to

563
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.920
myself, like I just if I
can ever do a push up again,

564
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:00.800
then I know that it's got and
I to try and go into the push

565
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.320
up position collapse collapse, collapse,
And one day I went into the push

566
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.159
up position and it locked in.
I was like, oh, I'm gone.

567
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.360
That's good, that's good, And
then I went to do the push

568
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.320
up collapse. Then I kept working, working, working, and one day

569
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.079
I went to a push up.
It locked in, and I started doing

570
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.800
a push up and I've done one. Then within a week I've done ten.

571
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.760
And then that stuff just started,
like you know what I mean,

572
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.440
it just started building back brother,
and I started building my confidence. But

573
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.480
I always held them to the fact
that if I can do one push up

574
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.000
is worth it. But the doctor
told me, like one percent of the

575
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.159
whole human population's got your body structure. I said, what do you mean

576
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.599
by that? At that time,
the human population was at six point two

577
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:39.360
billion. He said, one percent
of them. He's got your body structure.

578
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.679
That's the Actually your heart raised under
sixty beats a minute. You've got

579
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.960
a spare he said, you've got
extra musclet over your archery. Why he

580
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.280
never bled to death, And he
said, what do you say? My

581
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.400
part was sent a six piece a
minute, And I even had a spare

582
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.360
nerve underneath my arms that they would
take out and basically grind for my next

583
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.039
that got cut straight across and the
fifth one seven. That's what they've done,

584
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.239
like constructive surgerion. And yeah,
man, that's a lot for me,

585
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.760
you know. But as I'm saying, like I was angry at first,

586
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.719
man, I just wanted revenge.
I just wanted to Yeah, that

587
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:16.760
guy, I just wanted to get
rid of him. Do you know what

588
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.559
I'm saying? And all my brothers
want to get rid of him, is

589
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.400
what everyone to get rid of him? Like everyone want to get rid of

590
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:28.199
him, and it just took a
lot, yeah, like it like it

591
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.440
went from anger revenge to like I
need a long vty tan yea to make

592
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.639
me. I'll tell you what,
man, every time I take a knaugh

593
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.480
of someone, I just feel like
I'm getting a little bit back at night

594
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.199
then and what happened to me to
get me? And I just felt like

595
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.480
if I would have been impulsive to
my emotions at anger, I'll put it

596
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.039
be enjoyed right now with the same
injuries. Do you know what I'm saying.

597
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.880
Yes, But as I'm saying,
man, like I just already feel

598
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.400
like what happened to me and my
life? To me, my life is

599
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.920
more important than a holy social media, every social media. My life is

600
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.000
more important than that, you know
what I mean? So technically I believe

601
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.440
everyone else's life is more important it
too, So that's why what I do

602
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:13.320
what I do, I just that
in the most modest way, if I

603
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.000
can just take one if I can
help one guy, Guy and Joe,

604
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.559
if I can help one person dying, if I could stop one guy having

605
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.239
injuries so bad that he turns to
the paraplegic, if I could stop a

606
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:28.079
month from crying for the rest of
my life. Yeah, there's a bonus

607
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.199
in it, just one, but
anything wants to the bonus to me,

608
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.960
Well, I mean, you're alive
for a purpose and I feel like you

609
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.480
found it. You found it.
Yeah, I mean, I've got to

610
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.679
get your new soundtrack. Though,
I've got to get your new sound Track'm

611
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.679
going to send some for you.
But the point is you, it speaks

612
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.239
to your determination, your commitment.
You're and I feel correct me if I'm

613
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.199
wrong, But that also was another
pivotal point for you, another turning point

614
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.679
for you. You spoke of having
one when you were you know, you

615
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:06.280
miss parole. But I feel like
this again was another pivotal point where you

616
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.559
sort of did reflection and as you've
said, you sort of made a ministry

617
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:25.840
out of it. Sorry, sorry, information to go on parole. Sorry,

618
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:31.800
it's my piece and my piece.
Yeah, thank you for correcting me.

619
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.800
I don't want to start any rumors, but it sounds to me like

620
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.920
that was a pivotal point for you, and you're now saying that this charge

621
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.039
that you have now taken on was
a result of coming through that and being

622
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.360
better for it on the other side. Yeah, man, of course,

623
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.320
and it's not that as well,
Like when you're young, you don't realize

624
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.400
the talent you have. You don't
have the talent your friends have friends.

625
00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:02.320
He take a wet f pap Chelsea
England made none of us made it because

626
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.920
you always he got deported, he
got injured, and I got fat,

627
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.800
I got stabbed, and you know
what I mean. But this is so

628
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:15.840
much wasting, like we're wasting too
much of ourselves. Like you're seeing like

629
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.639
generational locks. Yea, within years, like one year, a whole generation

630
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.840
that of a family could be lost, Like the way the streets are grind

631
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.599
you know what I'm saying. It's
like it's a bit much, it's a

632
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.960
bit scary. Still, I can't
learn. Was there anybody in this transition

633
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.960
here that that you can point your
finger to and say they were part of

634
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.199
the process, anyone who mentored,
anyone who's you know, talked you through

635
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:49.639
it. Yeah, yeah, of
course. Like if we're talking about immediate

636
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.239
people, yeah, that's my family
of my mom always yeah, yes,

637
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.400
But if we're talking about that's what
I'm saying, it's important to have people

638
00:47:54.440 --> 00:48:00.760
outside of the house. Because there
was a woman called Nadan being bowling,

639
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.920
right and I tell you she that
woman there, man, it's like she

640
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.719
was just different from any other teacher. She listened, she helped right.

641
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:15.800
And you know what my other coach, mister waff Right, he was my

642
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.039
javeline coach. But you know what, I looked up to him so much

643
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.519
and my teacher so much that you
know when I got stabbed and had to

644
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.679
leave training. I mean I hid
for my teachers for five six seven years.

645
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.679
Wow. I didn't want to see
them. And you know what,

646
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.880
you see when I did actually bring
my kids down to that flex and I

647
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.000
was then like, he's like,
far and throw something from me. He

648
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.039
said, throw something and show them. Brother, I couldn't function. I

649
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:43.280
used to function, you know what
I'm saying, and meaning wept together about

650
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:49.079
it. By the same time,
it released me from not being able to

651
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.960
see them because I couldn't watch a
flets I was supposed to be in twenty

652
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.719
sixteen, a fleck. I couldn't
watch it. I sat down and hold

653
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.440
that. I got back in tune
to be a part of it. Do

654
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:06.320
you understand? And it took a
long time to accept your age that you

655
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:13.000
know what I'm saying. So I'm
saying human that if you regret for a

656
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:20.360
young person, they don't understand here
how damaging the regret can be emotionally meantity

657
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.559
right. And when you get a
chance, you need to take it because

658
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:30.280
if you start regretting it and that
regrets stays for you, that can be

659
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:36.800
very damaging emotional amenity right. I'm
telling you you need to get your If

660
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.519
you get opportunities, do the right
thing. And if you know something's wrong,

661
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:44.119
don't do it either, because it's
not only regretting not achieving what you

662
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.559
could have, the regret of getting
in the position that you should have as

663
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.559
well. Yeah, and I think
thank God for people who are able to

664
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:58.320
sort of support you, to counsel
you, to mentor you. And I

665
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.800
think that's the importance of having that
kind of structure. And as you said,

666
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:06.400
it has to go straight through.
It has to happen on every sector,

667
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.440
in every in every area, because
these are the critical conversations, These

668
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.760
are the critical things that have to
happen to get young people through some of

669
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:16.880
the things that the mistakes that they
make and the decisions that they make.

670
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:21.679
And to be fair, we'll all
make bad choices. It's about what we

671
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:28.480
do after. It's about but yeah, you make bad traices, right,

672
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:34.800
and with bad choices the consequences.
A lot of people need to understand as

673
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.400
well. Right when you get in
trouble with the young men, it's not

674
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.199
the end of the world, because
that's what happens. They get into trouble

675
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.320
and they believe that all over now, and then they thought to propel the

676
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.800
level of I don't care, and
they start racking up these charges. They

677
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.079
don't racking up the problems, right, and then that's when it is too

678
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.599
late to kind of go back with
appropriate centers. Exactly what I'm saying,

679
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:59.159
if you like your could get in
trouble, You're men are please could get

680
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.119
in trouble. I'm just saying it, like, try to let them understand

681
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:05.679
you that there's always time to change, there's always time to rebuild. You

682
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.719
know what I'm saying. You always
got to be the guy you've got to

683
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:13.079
be. You know that change like
it is allowed you, you are allowed

684
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.000
to do it. And another thing
as well, You see ego, that's

685
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.599
one thing. But I'd say these
young people that they're not tougher for ego,

686
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.239
they're tougher from pride. Pride like
I can't lose his fight in front

687
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.840
of this girl. I can't lose
his in front of that man. Pride,

688
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.159
pride, pride, pride. I
can't pay that disrespect right now that

689
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:30.880
he gave me. And I'm know
I can't beat someone to go to stab

690
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:37.400
him. Yeah, I'm telling you
right now they need to let go of

691
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.000
the pride because I'd be real to
you. I think I was a bit

692
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.840
prideful when I got hurt. Why
would you drive rud of fun by yourself?

693
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:46.920
It's just you and your sister to
fight people. Do you know what

694
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:52.239
I'm saying? Yeah, but I
couldn't let that slide. Do you know

695
00:51:52.280 --> 00:52:00.280
what I'm saying? This is much
it's a match. I mean yeah,

696
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:07.559
yeah, Andre Angela. Anything you
want to add here, any questions you

697
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:13.000
want to ask? He's back,
I I think, is oh gosh,

698
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:19.199
the technology today, Oh gosh,
he's muted. Yes, I'm not sure

699
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:25.199
because one question I had to ask, Yes, one question I want to

700
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:34.440
find out. I mean, your
your story is amazing, and I think

701
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.760
there's a lot to be thankful for
in terms of even the way you were

702
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:44.679
created that saved you. True what
comes to mind? And I know we've

703
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.519
kind of answered this a couple of
times already. H I think it's worth

704
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:54.039
doubling back on this. How do
we get and it's mainly a young man,

705
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:57.559
it's not only a young man,
but mainly a young man. How

706
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:04.039
do we get them to be less
pride proud? Sorry? How are we

707
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.079
going to understand? Like you mentioned, it's not the end of the world

708
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:10.880
if you make a mistake. And
how do we get that guidance to keep

709
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.880
steering them in the right direction.
I know you mentioned it needs to be

710
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.880
equal at every level, but on
a realistic in a real world, we

711
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.639
know you're not going to get that
on every level. M because we have

712
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.519
our young men who don't have that
unit at home and that's just their reality.

713
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:30.880
So how do we how do we
push back against that tide to help

714
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.760
our young men they a good course? How do we do that? Very

715
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.920
good question? Yeah, And if
I sit down there and I say to

716
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:43.559
you, I know, is that
what to do? I'd be bling to

717
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.480
you. But if I did,
we have no problem. Right. Remember,

718
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.639
there's so many contributing factors, bro, Yeah, problem, there's so

719
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.360
many contributing factors that you can that
you will need many solutions. Right now,

720
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.440
I'm going to say these young people. So I think we need to

721
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.039
do the young pea people. We
need to make them fall in love with

722
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.079
something. Yeah, you need to
fall in love with something. You need

723
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.960
to fall in love with a trade, you need to fall in love with

724
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:09.760
a job, you need to fall
in love with a girl. Need these

725
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:14.519
kind of things. But these kids
don't experience love and Dre They have no

726
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:19.079
compassion. It means nothing to them. Instagram is more important than any emotion

727
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.119
they're getting through or any parent that's
telling them something in their room. And

728
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.400
that's another thing as well. A
lot of people sit down and be like,

729
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:29.960
oh, my son's are right,
he's upstairs. Yeah, he's upstairs,

730
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:31.920
but his phone is out anywhere in
the world. You don't know who

731
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:35.440
he's talking to, You don't know
what he's doing in that phone. Right.

732
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.280
So I'm gonna say now, I
really do believe that these children,

733
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:46.679
they need to be occupied. Andre
the devil makes work for idle hands,

734
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:50.639
you know. Yeah, and you're
gonna have these little children running around the

735
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.079
road, yeah, do you know
what I mean? So, and now

736
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.400
we can get back to the sense
that where are the youth centers on dre

737
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.639
Andre A child will walk down the
road and see William here, bet friend

738
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.599
and that Brooks in the same one
hundred meter space before they see any youth

739
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.880
center, before they see any football
team, anything I can't find. They're

740
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:20.159
gambling habit before they find them.
And correction oops two for one. We

741
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.840
need for young people to have some
sense of purpose in the life. Purpose

742
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.360
Andre, if you've got a purpose, if you have a purpose anddre and

743
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.159
you know you have a sense of
purpose, and how we help them to

744
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.360
find that sense of purpose and real
challenges? Don't listen to this then,

745
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.440
mate, This is where we need
to go out in the workshops. This

746
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.719
is where we need to go out
and put agencies together. Yeah, that

747
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:46.639
could recruit an agencies. And we
need to say to the kids, Okay,

748
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.079
you've got a cutting hair, Well, guess what We've got this shop

749
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.880
here and allow you to work here. Bro, you get that little boy

750
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.159
in the shop. You're cutting ten
hairs a day, brother, and getting

751
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.440
a hundred pound of day b.
He's not going on the road. He's

752
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.800
in a real lif He's getting more
money than a little twenty pounds draw than

753
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.159
he got worry about police kicking his
door off, his mom compaining about the

754
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:06.039
house. Things a weed, right, but give them something to do.

755
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.360
You're good at football, okay,
come and kick a ball. Oh what

756
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:14.159
you like doing music? Bring the
music studio down and write something and let

757
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:15.239
me see it. And they're going
to try to pass that to somebody else.

758
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.360
You have to let them feel relevant. Un tell you the truth and

759
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.760
dream. Do you know the whole
working class gets paid for them nine to

760
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.599
five. Everyone gets paid. But
guess who goes to work from nine to

761
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.840
five and gets nothing. A child? He gets up at seven o'clock in

762
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.079
the morning, he gets ready for
school, he walks to school, he

763
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:36.880
commutes to school, he learns,
he does everything he needs to do.

764
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.440
Hey, it's exhausting. He comes
home, he comes home to his month

765
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.000
for his mom says, oh,
go take up your back and do that

766
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.920
and do that. And bro,
there's no pay cheests for him, there's

767
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.199
no nothing. He's struggling at home
with work. Nobody's listening to him.

768
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.719
It's a lot. These kids are
the holy kids. That's not getting nothing

769
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.519
for something. And I know that's
how life goes. I know you've got

770
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.519
to work to it, but you
try to understand. Right now, we'll

771
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:01.480
talk about the cost the living.
We talk about hard times. These people

772
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.440
want trainers, they want computer games, they want things like that. Don't

773
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:07.960
want to say to you as a
parent, is your kid doing good?

774
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.719
Is your kid doing something that you
don't agree to? Guess what reward it?

775
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.800
Let your kids know you appreciate his
behavior. It's all he's gonna do

776
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:20.519
is come a replicated behavior to replicate
the reward. Simple. Wow. I

777
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.760
could hear the passion in your voice. Far Wow. Yeah, it's a

778
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:29.079
really good it's a really good No. Why yeah, I'm talking from experience.

779
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:30.199
Oh yeah, I remember. I've
got five children. No, I've

780
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.039
got ten children. Yeah, five
boys, five girls. My oldest is

781
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.480
twenty two. None of my children's
been involved with the police, None of

782
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:42.039
them. They're all the activities.
Who are my oldest ones run their own

783
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.159
business? Is the business like and
the other one trying to be an entrepreneur.

784
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:49.920
But I've never hit none of my
children. I don't shout at my

785
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.960
children. It's just an understanding.
But don't let me tell you something.

786
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.559
Boy. If you think you're to
come in the house and you're gonna eat

787
00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.920
your food and not scape your plate
and run water in a bowl, you

788
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.119
got to mate. You got nothing
that's going to get out of your bed

789
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.360
without making your bed. Coming.
But let me tell you some a kid

790
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.320
that gets out of his bed without
making it. Bro, You know,

791
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:15.599
as little as it seems, he
ain't brother. Other things ain't gonna be

792
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.159
done either. Because if you're too
lazy to make your bed, you've got

793
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:21.119
a sleeping bro. Why are you
gonna go and do what really needs to

794
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:23.079
go and be done. Why are
you gonna go sit down on a week

795
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:28.079
for use trying to get creditations.
Maybe you've got to build them. So

796
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.599
you have to build these kids.
Look here, habits for come like people

797
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.920
take habits from environments, right,
And if you got kids, is just

798
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.800
in the house and they can do
what they want when they want. And

799
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.840
your kid comes in and he's smoking
weed and he's doing it with that and

800
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:47.440
he's uncontested. That's his lifestyle.
That's what he's gonna replicate everywhere else,

801
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.760
even to a worst of degree.
But mommy ain't there and it ain't the

802
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.159
family home. So I'm saying you
have to build these children how they need

803
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.000
to be built. Like my kids. Mate, if you go out,

804
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.159
you come back in. They know
you can't even come and I'm I had

805
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.960
the young kids that the older one's
here is sticks the youngest for mate,

806
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.039
they naturally go and wash their hands
with anti bacteria soap. Do you understand

807
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.960
They know what to do. And
it's just building them because I know wherever

808
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:16.679
you are, however you learn to
live, if that becomes your normal nature,

809
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:19.519
then that's how you're going to go
and to live in your life.

810
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.920
Understand. But it's my job to
guide you to live proper. It's my

811
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:28.679
job to understand, understand hygiene,
understand wrong on right. So let you

812
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.440
understand empathy, understand. And I
said, man, I will do my

813
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.000
best that I can for my child
and I'll talk to them the best I

814
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.760
can understand. And if I've got
to say some listen, you're not getting

815
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:43.880
your iPad like my kids. They
can't have the iPads on the weekdays.

816
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.719
Hmm. And it's not because it's
a reason why I need to show them

817
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:51.480
that in life you can't get what
you want. Every time you get like

818
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.480
that you want it to understand and
in the weekday, if you're doing iPad,

819
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.639
why are you want to do your
homework? You know, it's just

820
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.440
a little principal, little moral that
you put into a child and they can

821
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:02.679
grow up and know what's Brian wrong. They can grow up and be have

822
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.960
empathy, they can grow up and
have hair, they can grow up and

823
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:08.000
have the streets sense. Do you
know what I'm saying? But as I'm

824
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:12.320
saying to you that I remember on
top of that, every child's different.

825
01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.760
All my children are different. They've
all got their own personalities. He's got

826
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:17.039
a deep boy. He's got a
bed. He ain't got a bed.

827
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:21.519
She's chirpy, she's quiet. You
know what I'm saying. She cuddles me.

828
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:22.800
She don't like cuddled my oldest faen. I tell him I love He

829
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.480
told you loves me back my second
son down the line. He's never said

830
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:30.880
he loves me yet. All he
has his love love, But I understand

831
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:31.679
it. I know he loved me. I know he pindes with me.

832
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:36.559
Understand what I'm saying to Everyone's different. Everyone's different, and you've got to

833
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.239
try to accommodate. You've got to
try to accommodate the guidance and the way

834
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.960
you speak to certain people, you
know, because not every single person's gonna

835
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.039
understand how you speak to them and
what you say. Do you know what

836
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:55.920
I'm saying, yeah, baron you
you mentioned you. Sorry, no Ah,

837
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:02.199
No, I was gonna try to
talk about now your move into the

838
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:08.159
I call it a ministry, but
whatever you wish to call it, you

839
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:16.039
are now responsible for or attempting to
clear London Street of knives. How did

840
01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:22.920
that come about? We last spoke
when you got in the fight, got

841
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.679
stabbed eighteen times, and by God's
grace your live, you've made it through

842
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:35.400
recovery, rehabilitation, and you're now
sort of active again. You've made a

843
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.760
decision, a conscious decision that,
because of what happened to you, you

844
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:44.000
want to make a difference. How
did that translate into what you're doing now?

845
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.719
How did it start? What did
you think? Where did you begin?

846
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.920
Because I remember I listened to too
and let me say, I listened

847
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:57.800
to a few of your interviews,
and I remember you said that you then

848
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:01.360
decided to just speak to people,
speak to your people, because you Yeah,

849
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:05.880
that's what it's just to be speaking
in it. Because to me,

850
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.000
I just felt like someone that's experienced
something, Yeah, you can kind of

851
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:12.679
pay from them. Black fencing.
I never realized how I got injured.

852
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.280
Yeah that I don't really care what
the doctor says, I kill what you

853
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:22.400
say in terms of operations, but
in terms of feeling that pain and having

854
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.480
to deal with it, you don't. You don't understand that. And that's

855
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.239
when I found my best friend in
life because he had a bad arm as

856
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:36.280
well. We had a bad left
arm, he had a bad right arm,

857
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:38.880
and we could understand each other.
Kai learn this is hi. Your

858
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:43.559
shoelaces with one hand, learning to
break it with one hand, learning to

859
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.559
roll up tobacco with one hand,
all these things. Not being able to

860
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:51.840
play two fer tho my daughter no
more. But people just have a dream.

861
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.199
People, but people used to having
dreams that they're in far as cars

862
01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:00.519
and rich, and they wake up
disappointing. I do, I don't really

863
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:05.519
pertaining super than my daughter or swimming
and wake up disappointed. Just the people's

864
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:12.800
situations leave them in different situations.
Okay, so you you started having conversations

865
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.760
with young people trying to trying to
discourage them from getting into the position where

866
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.639
you were, and what then did
did you decide to take it another step

867
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:27.079
further or did you find that that
wasn't bringing about the results that you wanted.

868
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.559
So I started to that. I
did a lot of social media and

869
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.480
it's just me trying to spread like
my message to his kids. And then

870
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:44.480
I got to schools as well,
and I just remember sitting down in one

871
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.679
of them little through units and it's
like it was just such a mess,

872
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.960
Like the teacher's there. In fact, they cared more about the funding for

873
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:59.559
each student than telling them that they're
coming in from lunchtime smelling a weed leaned

874
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:00.800
up, I'm saying. And I
just thought, Row, this is crazy,

875
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.079
Like I've seen a whole set of
new kids come here, and because

876
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:08.639
these older kids are smoking in front
of them, they just inherited that behavior

877
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.400
and and they haven't been contested for
it. And I was sitting down and

878
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:15.840
I just thought, this is such
a mess, man. And I just

879
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.440
remember saying that a woman I've worked
with, like because with me, when

880
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:28.639
I get a little bit angry,
like here's bro careful now, I'm saying

881
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:32.519
it's angry. Sometimes I get angry
to it. And I sat down and

882
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.760
the tear in my eyes, She's
like, what's wrong with you? And

883
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:42.719
I have watched it like I just
thought I could save him. I could

884
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.639
save him if I could do better. But I just felt like it just

885
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.159
weren't a physical impact. And then
obviously coming up when I grew up,

886
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:55.119
like you see these humble nuts and
stuff, they're not illegal. They weren't

887
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.400
illegal to have in your house.
And a lot of people had examples in

888
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.440
house, like even my house.
Man, like when I man, you

889
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.920
just see ramble less everywhere or whatever, a little lock night. Your brother's

890
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.760
got a little slip nights, part
fair nights, and I know in the

891
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:10.280
house. But my thing was this. So actually before that even happened,

892
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.519
I asked, went to a part. So my niece had a party and

893
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.880
part them out, and my daughter
went there, and my brother's doing security

894
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.679
there at this time, my daughter
is fifteen. My brother follows me and

895
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:27.400
he said, b there's like eight
kids at the door. They want to

896
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.599
come, And I said no,
And it all started listening at the tops,

897
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:33.519
show me summer and machetes. I
said, yeah, I've got a

898
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:38.440
couple of boys, got my dogs
went down there. Wait listen, man,

899
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:40.440
just like your little boys. Still
don't get a twisted in it.

900
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:43.480
So what I've done here, there's
all in the house party, so I

901
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.679
said, Then so I hold my
brother, I said, brother, turning

902
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.519
full the lights in the party Mitchell. The lats were off, and what

903
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:51.280
I've done bus is like a it
was like a flats. So I've gone

904
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:56.119
upstairs. So I imagine that from
the top of the flats. Yeah that

905
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.679
so the door's there. And as
I've come out and say it's just say

906
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:03.400
it's like fifteen just say like ten
to fifteen meters from the door to the

907
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.800
stairs that I'm at. So what
I've done, I've left one man at

908
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:10.760
the top of the stairs there.
I put another man right there. I

909
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:13.920
put another man behind him. My
brother's at the door. And what I

910
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.559
went in and done is this.
I went in, I started tugging him

911
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:19.079
out one by one. They didn't
realize I was tugging him out. And

912
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.760
as I've tugged him out, I've
tugged him out his back of this thing

913
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:25.199
and just sped into the next man
the next time, saiding there. Before

914
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:27.320
you know, we've got all seven
boys outside, all lined up on the

915
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.039
wall. Right. I'm saying,
bro, what are you man dealing with?

916
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.559
And I said, I know your
Dad's your dad dismissed. I said

917
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.800
I know your mum as well.
I said, hell, we're done.

918
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:41.119
I said, you've got a choice
right now. Yeah. I was like,

919
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.800
you can give me them things go
back in the party and then lease,

920
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:50.639
or I can or I could take
them off you yeah, or for

921
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:55.159
your parents. What are you doing? Like, what's your what's your what's

922
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:58.400
your mass? What are you doing
now? After that, man that we

923
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.599
took all the nice of them,
they were in a party, they come

924
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:05.239
back out, I said, you
know what, he look bad taking your

925
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.039
stuff a few, but I'm not
giving it back. So I just gave

926
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.480
them all the tenor reach. Yeah, get them all the ten to reach,

927
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:13.639
sent them in away. After that, I was like, that's interesting.

928
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:18.199
Eight nice to reach. M hm
eight nice, eight nice eighty pounds?

929
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:23.440
Whatever's cool? Yeah cool, I'm
yes, I said, now,

930
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:25.920
so I done a little video of
that, and then that video went really

931
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.000
viral. I don't I remember videoderstand
this my daughter and I'm like, look

932
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.239
this is where they brought out one
knife two nine three nights. And after

933
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:32.880
that, I said to myself,
you know what, I kind of want

934
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.400
to work on this method here,
but I wanted to be that where the

935
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.840
children are more boding tree for it. So I went on Instagram and I

936
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.960
started tending people. I give them
money for their nights and Instagram just shut

937
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:47.239
down my whole program. Damn.
But you can't. You can't be talking

938
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.400
about money in line and giving people
money. So I was like, damn

939
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:54.880
for real, I said, you
know what, m m okay, Saron,

940
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:59.000
let me can I stick up in
here. We're going to take a

941
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:02.119
break and we're going to come back
to the details of how it got established

942
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:05.639
to the point that it is now. I was listening. I mean,

943
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:11.320
you've got thousands of knives off the
street, so many young people and lives

944
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.640
that you've impacted. Let's talk about
how that journey came about. So just

945
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:43.439
hold one moment. Andre Angela will
be back after this. It is so

946
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.199
hard, just trying to forget out, finding out, trying to beliegue,

947
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:51.600
trying to watch the words of the
mountain, stay on your own, tarming

948
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:57.039
even on the mountain, high a
valley long, Never let your faith go,

949
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:02.520
oh never. I've been there before, So confused, don't know which

950
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:08.119
way to go, hit the stress. We're so crazy, love, stay

951
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:12.720
in a house far trying to rise. Got terrorists disguised. They look like

952
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:15.119
us, but we know who we
trust. Just when I say that we

953
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:25.840
gonna don't, we gonna be alright. Don't tell them we gonna be all

954
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:42.000
right, all right, say were
gonna beyond. Don't already bed you're saying

955
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:53.680
all we gonna be alright? Alright, Wow, all right in these fast

956
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:58.079
days, evil times will come in
this head day. Look at all the

957
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:03.279
hey, senseless crime and murd day, damn human shaffaking racist, some fool's

958
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:13.159
brutality. We lead sh Let your
king them come and let your listy sun

959
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:18.359
in here, let your glory rise, let your son shine, lenyway to

960
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:23.880
die. You know though the sun
in the rain we will shout because we

961
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:29.520
know how the night say it.
We gonna heay not this brock is't gon

962
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.760
for good, gonna be on,
Tom, don't get from me on.

963
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.720
I know he was. He ain't
gonna back to right. Hey, I

964
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:41.520
ain't worry about him. No,
don't you worry about him. I believe

965
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.119
I'm receiving me. Worried that he
promised me legal feel wrong, Oh jeez

966
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:54.920
speak, we believe he gonna mel
to it. Hey, don't worry about

967
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:58.600
her. He no, No,
there's no sleep away night. Just the

968
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:09.720
leader be seeing me. Wa so
this your head just here, the worship

969
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:42.720
come here, everything shone on that, Yeah, clown said, welcome back

970
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:45.039
to the conversation. It's talking Point
Sturdy stream minutes past year. I was

971
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:50.800
six o'clock. We're talking to Farren, anti knife activist, and also we've

972
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:57.840
got on tonight Andre and Angela and
we're just trying to talk about this as

973
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.880
Faren's on the front line in the
war against knife crime and we're trying to

974
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:05.159
chop it up and come up with
solutions if we can. But at least

975
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:10.359
Farn, you're sharing your experience,
you're sharing your story, and it's been

976
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:17.479
so s enlightening so far and very
interesting. Before the break, we were

977
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:23.000
talking about how you know what you're
doing sort of took off and it started

978
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:27.640
with a party taking some knives off
off some young men and realizing that it

979
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.479
could be done. You were doing
it for ten each. Are you still

980
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.359
doing an exchange for money or is
it gotten bigger than that? Yeah?

981
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:38.840
Yeah, So basically on the weapons, they know the price ranges theyday,

982
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:44.520
but I'll never give them a full
money. It don't work right, right,

983
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:46.079
But if you bring that so basically
you com with five six, next

984
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:48.439
then you get a decent amount.
You come with one that you just probably

985
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.319
get a ten band back. You
come with a knife for forty pounds,

986
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:55.079
you get a twenty band back,
and then when you go to JD Sports

987
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:57.920
you work twenty pounds. Let's to
pay for your pair of trainers. Yeah.

988
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.039
Love, respect, but I must
say before that JD Sports has nothing

989
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:04.760
to do with funding me. They've
never funded me. JD Sports has never

990
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:09.039
gave me one bit about that.
Every single I've had this been from my

991
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:15.000
own pocket, donations or deficiated.
So can I just ask just to put

992
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:18.680
them on the spot. Have you
approached them? Yeah? All right,

993
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:26.880
cool? Noted. So you started
with Instagram they shut you down because they

994
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:32.960
didn't quite quite agree with what you
were doing. How did the police respond

995
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:38.560
to these initial stages of the of
the of the project. The police were

996
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:43.479
really I'm still experiencing the same things
right now the police that I feel like

997
01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:45.800
the organization is so big that even
though I've been going to the same stations

998
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:48.840
for the last five years, I'm
getting it every now and then and they

999
01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:53.359
don't know who I am. Wow, and it's kind of weird up.

1000
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.199
There went kind of police stations and
they said they can't take their weapons.

1001
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:01.279
But even bigger than that, I
sat down with the one of the biggest

1002
01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:05.760
chief inspectors from Scotland from Metropolan Police, who was wonder then preceded Dick,

1003
01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:11.840
a man called James Corbett. And
after four or five years ago, after

1004
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:14.000
four year of they said they want
to put me in a six month weapon

1005
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:15.560
pilot. They said, I'm not
allowed to tell anyone that I'm working with

1006
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.359
them, not that I want to
do anyway, but it's just a count

1007
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:24.439
the jokes like that. Then they
said I've got to have a bullet body

1008
01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:29.920
armor, first aid k in my
car, a phone, an extra person

1009
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.600
and they also gave me a phone
number that bypassed one on one, so

1010
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:39.000
I went straight through to the VCS
had number. Now that's to ensure safety,

1011
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:44.439
is that what? Yeah? So
I was three months into that and

1012
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:48.560
basically I was out one night.
So our three months is that seventy nine

1013
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:53.039
in And I'll tell you straight,
I've got nothing to hire because you you'll

1014
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.640
be able to tell from where we
are now. I was that one night.

1015
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.840
I was in a car and I
just come back from a party,

1016
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.479
and I'll be real to you,
I don't know who I thought I was

1017
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:09.439
while I took that nine ray and
a few shots. Ye, all at

1018
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.479
one time, but it never went
down. Well, so I was in

1019
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:16.840
the camp feet frustat and you're going
to maybe have to go disclaim go on

1020
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:23.600
total yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm just saying regardless of it,

1021
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:26.000
like you see me, one thing
about me? Yeah, what he

1022
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:28.600
sees, what you get, I've
got something to lie about. But anyway,

1023
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:30.920
the bomb left is quite in short, so we ain't going to do

1024
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:34.199
too much disclaimers. Yeah. So
basically I end up getting arrested, right,

1025
01:15:34.479 --> 01:15:40.079
I getting arrested, But basically I
just up. They were batting up

1026
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.840
the person, the driver on a
different way. Yeah, they were batting

1027
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.319
her up differently. I'm like,
a leave her alone, what are you

1028
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:47.479
doing? But these men just badded
me up. Next thing I know,

1029
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:51.920
I'm in charing Cross Police station,
stripped down. Yeah, and it's crazy.

1030
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:58.840
Listen to this though, I'll tell
the truth. What they've done is

1031
01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:04.319
so wrong that I'm actually now in
the process of a claim against Metropolitan Police

1032
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:10.800
for their behavior. Understand a legal
strip search. They put me through carrying

1033
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.119
an aide strip search and then never
had to go out to do that,

1034
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.600
you know, and he knew exactly
who I was. And it's just like

1035
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.119
that. It was just like degrading, you know what I mean. But

1036
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.920
right now as you speak, I've
got one of the best lissis in the

1037
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:25.000
country serving them up and they're supposed
to get back to me from three months

1038
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.119
ago with a certain month off and
they haven't. But the only thing I'm

1039
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.079
saying that is to show you that
the reason I got arrested it clearly weren't

1040
01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:35.800
justified. Yeah, no, but
any but that leads to the point what

1041
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:40.760
I'm getting to. So I was
three months into the weapons pilot. Yeah,

1042
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.359
so they've asked me to do to
wear a body armor, to carry

1043
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:47.760
a nut, safety and weapons tubes, to have a first day to drive

1044
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:50.319
with someone. And the thing I
said that, okay, I said,

1045
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:54.560
is it? So have all your
requirements? Is there any of these things

1046
01:16:54.600 --> 01:17:00.319
you can help me with? He
said, no, what I get some

1047
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:02.560
weapons tubes at least to carry them
safety he said he ain't got none in

1048
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:06.840
stock. I'm like, damn,
this is the most sophisticated police force in

1049
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:12.359
the world, England and I can't
get weapons tubes. So right there and

1050
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.119
then I feel as if you do
a failure. But how can you have

1051
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.760
so much requirements? But you know, and I'm doing it. I'm bringing

1052
01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:24.800
the next to your stations, but
you're not doing anything, yeah, to

1053
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:29.800
compensate it or their help, But
you know what I mean. And that

1054
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.760
night I was that same night the
party I came from it. It was

1055
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.640
it was a well known person's party
US and I was speaking to him.

1056
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:39.239
He was like, bro, like, you've been doing it for four years,

1057
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.159
why should you do it for six
months of your life? You know

1058
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.880
what I mean? They should be
supporting, And yeah, man, they're

1059
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:49.479
not supporting. But they always call
me in to have these seminars in front

1060
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:53.039
of police officers and one hundred and
fifty peace officer to sit down and talk

1061
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.279
about stop and search and what we
can do for weapons connections with all the

1062
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:00.359
rest of it. But it's like
they're not really pushing. And I just

1063
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:04.000
said, wondering it if I was
a different nationality, that would I have

1064
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:09.239
a better response. That would have
yeah, a better response, you know

1065
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:15.439
what I'm saying. But at the
same time, I tried to man,

1066
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:16.800
I just kind of do what I'm
doing anyway, Sorry, I would you

1067
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:21.640
say, brother, I just want
to comment to that. I mean,

1068
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:26.560
the sad reality is we are rere
of this. This is nothing new,

1069
01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:32.000
nothing that's going to go in a
hurry. Systemic racism, yes, it's

1070
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:36.640
there. It's partible reality. We
can't get away from it. So I'm

1071
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:42.920
looking looking very for solutions. But
you know what it is. That's why

1072
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.840
I don't really go back and forth
with them too much, because I know,

1073
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:49.520
no matter what you don't say,
you see the red tape that comes

1074
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:53.760
with working. If you don't,
I ain't got it. I can go

1075
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:56.840
where I want when I want.
Yeah, you don't trying to turn.

1076
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.239
I can't pick up guns, mate. The next time, when I picked

1077
01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:01.119
up a shot gun from Bristol,
I don't care. You can't tell me

1078
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.319
that. If a young man followed
me says he's got a gun in twenty

1079
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:08.720
eight bullets, I'm guying for that. How are you going to tell me

1080
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:12.439
guying for that? So when I
went to Summer to Avia and Summer said

1081
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:15.640
anyone, I had to guy in
the car phone the police, give them

1082
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.199
a registration, give them an eighty
eight phone. When I got there,

1083
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:23.199
picked up the weapons. Follow when
I picked up the weapon, and then

1084
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:26.239
go and drop and go to a
police station. I told the police to

1085
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:29.520
leave the boot open of an unmarked
car. I just went to the car,

1086
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:33.199
drop the shotgun and singing it then
somed me break it down. And

1087
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.359
then I just see armed police is
sitting there in the X five burying them

1088
01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:39.479
with their big guns because they have
to go and kay the gun and make

1089
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:42.960
it safe. You get me.
But even then, like I swear to

1090
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:47.640
you, I just felt, no, how can I say, what's the

1091
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:51.880
what's the word? A little bit
less to the appreciation that just that I'm

1092
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:59.159
not saying you gotta appreciate me,
officer, but that acknowledge that I'm doing

1093
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:04.119
something that I They looks in their
faces was like, who do you think

1094
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:10.399
you are? This is listen.
The reason why I kind of try to

1095
01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:16.520
highlight this point is that we can
waste a lot of energy kind of lamenting

1096
01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:21.359
the lack of support from certain manners
of society. That's a waste of energy.

1097
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:27.640
Yep, that's not going to change
unfortunately. So the solutions need to

1098
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:31.479
be found elsewhere and continue the effort
because we know the difference it will make

1099
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:39.560
the lives on the streets and homes. But like that that that that thing

1100
01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:45.960
I mentioned earlier about basketball funding MM. The reason that they said they couldn't

1101
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:51.159
give them the funds to support basketball
training to help reduce crime in the community.

1102
01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:58.359
They said it was too niche a
sport, it's a black you know

1103
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:00.920
what it is. But let me
finish. No, no, no,

1104
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:01.560
no no, let me let me
finish it. Let me finish it.

1105
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:12.640
However, sports like equation as in
riding horses, canoeing and and what the

1106
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:17.920
other support was got more money wow, in a millions, as opposed to

1107
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:23.880
basketball, which is a much less
niche sport, but maybe a sport that

1108
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:30.000
you have more ethnics involved in than
the other side of society. So again

1109
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:32.760
I don't know, I'm not saying
necessarily need to harp one about the lack

1110
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:38.239
of support. That is where we
are. That's not changing anytime soon.

1111
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:44.279
So the solution that we need to
look for from a church standpoint, for

1112
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.079
example, we need to offer more
for the other people to do that help

1113
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:53.600
give them that sense of purpose.
And if you put money where mouths is

1114
01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:59.720
as a church community, we will
see more benefits. Yeah and everyone.

1115
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.760
It's it's quite sim to say it, but it is something that we here

1116
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:09.279
all the time. But the budget
of our church communities reflect what we say

1117
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.680
and what you know, well do
you know what, mate, Yeah,

1118
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:17.560
I agree, and I do agree
that these people need to be resourced to

1119
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:21.520
actually do this. When you talk
about basketball and they're saying that it's a

1120
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.479
niche sport, like, forget being
niche in it. If you're going to

1121
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.439
even get ten children to interact with
that buptly here and be better for it,

1122
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:30.960
then that's it. I do believe
that if that was like, they

1123
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.279
find that hard to say the same
thing about football in England, do you

1124
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:41.319
know what I mean? And they
find that hard to support soccer in America

1125
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:46.079
where basketball is their mainly trade.
But either way, any visible project,

1126
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:49.000
whether it's basketball, tennis, ball, table tennis or whatever board it is,

1127
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:53.119
if young children are engaging in it, yeah, there should be no

1128
01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:57.840
excuse to funding it or giving it
the resources, right of course, of

1129
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.239
course, right. And I'm glad
that you you're not deterred, you're not

1130
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.239
put off, you're not set back
by the support or the lack of support.

1131
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:11.279
That just tell me, no,
I'm going to go anyway I'm not.

1132
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:15.640
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And
you talk about people you're doing stuff

1133
01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:19.159
out of your own pocket and maybe
jump in the gun for the moment.

1134
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:23.840
Maybe that's not the right time,
but we might be going ahead of ourselves.

1135
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:29.800
But how do people support you?
You know, for the common I

1136
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:32.840
mean the lay person, the civilian, you know, the person who's not

1137
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:36.880
as brave as you are. How
can we help you in your efforts?

1138
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:40.960
Well, there's many other ways,
you know, like everyone like like everyone

1139
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:43.840
got their own attributes and they've got
their own skills, you know what i

1140
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:47.000
mean, Like if you're good at
admin or if you're like there's just many

1141
01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.039
different ways. Like if you are
good at social media and you want to

1142
01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:55.319
share your message with social media and
you're better at working through social and in

1143
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.279
person, then that's something you can
do. If you're to come down to

1144
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:00.920
the youth center, Like we've got
a youth center in Edinburgh, right this

1145
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:03.800
building was abandoned in fifteen years.
We took this building and now we've got

1146
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:10.840
STATED at art, music studios,
we've got STATED at art, podcast rooms,

1147
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:14.399
games rooms, everything, and this
building was something that that was about

1148
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:16.239
to be demolished, you know,
and now we've had up to one hundred

1149
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.640
and eight children a day going for
it, benefiting from it, beauty courses

1150
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:24.359
everything, you know. And I'm
just saying that it's just so important to

1151
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:28.399
have these spaces because when you've got
these spaces, you can interact with these

1152
01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:30.000
children. You can see them in
their physical You can see a child come

1153
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:32.960
in and they might say that okay, but you can tell them, like

1154
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:36.319
the way they're sitting down in the
chair, isolated, head down, rubbing

1155
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:40.640
their fingers that what's wrong. Man, talk to me and you find that

1156
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:42.960
problem and you saw it out for
them, and you know what I'm saying.

1157
01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.960
So I just feel like it's really
important to have them in the physical

1158
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.279
being like next to us, talking
to our sealing us. You know what

1159
01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:51.680
I mean? And I think Andre
you you mentioned it. This is I

1160
01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:57.680
mean we as a church, we've
got several thousands of empty buildings across the

1161
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:00.560
country. I mean we use them
on a sabas, but there's nothing to

1162
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:05.439
stop us opening the doors and there's
nothing to stop us putting studios and whatever

1163
01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:09.640
it might be in there that the
young people can utilize it and comes through

1164
01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:14.039
the doors all week. Like if
you don't got buildings, yes, when

1165
01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:17.479
I say to you, yeah,
buildings and open spaces, yeah, safe

1166
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:24.640
space with the right programs going in
there are detrimental for a young person growing

1167
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:29.319
up for the better that's detrimental.
That's it. That's it. Yeah.

1168
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.479
So I'm going to say to you, if you do know anyone that has

1169
01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:35.439
them places, please do let me
know because I'm telling you, if I

1170
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:39.479
can get an open space and it
ain't got to be every day of the

1171
01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:42.000
week, If I can get an
open space for two days a week,

1172
01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:45.880
or even one day of the week, we will have children, you know.

1173
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:49.560
Yeah, Yeah, I have to
ask this. I mean I've been

1174
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.399
wanting to ask it from the beginning. Aren't you scared when you go out

1175
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:57.520
there? I mean you're doing You're
going above and beyond you. You're not

1176
01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.720
just having a conversation. You're not
telling them Okay, put a box out

1177
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.000
there, drop it in it,
and go about your way. You're getting

1178
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:10.159
right in the thick of things.
Are you not worried? What makes for

1179
01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.600
one year? I'll be so real
to you. Yeah, I'd be so

1180
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:15.439
so real to you. It might
sound a bit weird to you, but

1181
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:20.520
I do really believe when the creator
put me together, who kind of forgot

1182
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:25.159
that fair ingredient in me? That's
what you forgot to drop in me.

1183
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:28.399
And sometimes it's good and sometimes it's
back. But at the same time,

1184
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:31.800
It's like I feel like due to
what I've been through as well that my

1185
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:36.640
heart bringing and even what I've enjoyed
physically in terms of injuries and being stabbed,

1186
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:41.479
I feel like one or two things
happened to you. When these things

1187
01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:46.520
happen to traumatic, you either go
into a shell or you go out loud,

1188
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:50.600
you know. And I just felt
like it once I found myself again,

1189
01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:55.399
it was a propeller for me to
be loud and proud in what I

1190
01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:01.600
believed in the push get put sick
please. Yeah. So yeah, man,

1191
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:08.399
I just really really do believe that, you know, I don't know.

1192
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:12.840
And I feel like the relationship I
have with the people that I do

1193
01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:16.319
communicate to take the nswer of them, it's like it's all from a good

1194
01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.279
place. I don't message you.
You message me, you know what I

1195
01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:23.560
mean. Like your your message you
when you get yourself into the situation or

1196
01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:26.319
you feel like you're in more deep
than you can handle, you know what

1197
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:29.399
I mean, and you message me. So I just feel like my things

1198
01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:34.720
such like that it's got such good
neutral energy that that that bad energy of

1199
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:38.199
fears are in there because it's just
a good thing, you know what.

1200
01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.920
I'm saying like, it's just maybe
I've been doing it for so long as

1201
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:44.199
well, it's just I've never had
an incident. No, it's never been

1202
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:48.239
rest no one, you know what
I mean? So how many how many

1203
01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:56.520
how many guys last time? Last
time? Sixteen and forty one? Wow?

1204
01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:02.119
And that doesn't God, Etceteraky like
ten fighter AUMs. Some are replicas,

1205
01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:05.680
some are converted, some are even
just blank pistols. But the thing

1206
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:10.479
about it, what people understand is
you get stopped with a blank pistol in

1207
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:15.279
a public areas. Getting done is
imitation firearm causing number of distress? Do

1208
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.319
you know what I'm saying? That
they can land you in jail? Right,

1209
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:25.319
Angie, you had you had a
question that we were discussing in the

1210
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:30.439
break about what's next for Para?
Are you still there? Is? She

1211
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:38.279
is that she hold one moment now? So Angie was asking you, Farn,

1212
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:43.079
what's next for you? So one
of the projects that you have on

1213
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:45.359
thego, And I asked it before
and I think maybe you miss interpreted.

1214
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:50.119
But how can we how can we
assist you give towards the cause? What

1215
01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:54.560
do you need and how can we
provide that? If if it is possible,

1216
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.359
what are you doing next? Right? I hate the truth here.

1217
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:02.159
So I've got a youth center.
Yeah, and it's actually like a progressive

1218
01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:10.039
thing. Nothing like nothing can speed
up, you know. We've got like

1219
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:12.199
we're doing the work. We've got
the people doing it. We even got

1220
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.159
the young people they as well.
But I do aim, yeah, to

1221
01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:20.239
have one hundred people, yeah,
eighty men, twenty women that committed to

1222
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:26.199
the streets. Yeah, from eight
o'clock in the morning until when people go

1223
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:29.920
home. And I need ten vehicles
that I'm basically I'm trying to build a

1224
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:34.199
fleet of vehicles with one hundred people
that's able to go into the hot areas

1225
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:39.880
and the problem areas be outside the
schools. Tell them, young people,

1226
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:43.119
you're not supposed to be here.
This ain't your school, do you know

1227
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:45.880
what I mean? Just to be
that deterring, Just to be that prevention,

1228
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.760
you know, before it gets too
late, right, and really work

1229
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:54.319
with the people. So that's what
I'm really doing right now. And we've

1230
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:58.279
just finished building the studio bus as
well. Studio buses stuff we also use

1231
01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:00.960
for the children is quite good and
gay when we're going to the schools.

1232
01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.520
So we brought X Council us and
we stripped, ripped it all out to

1233
01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:08.439
the stairlift of fit and everything that
the wheelchair lift of the back, and

1234
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:12.279
we converted into like a proper fund
from mobile Studio and it's a big hit.

1235
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.520
So I just keep like, I'm
like, I'm always got my head

1236
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:19.199
to the ground. I'm always trying
to look for the new innovative way to

1237
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:24.439
make these children engage. And yes, so right now it's just basically sorting

1238
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.239
at the vehicles. I tell the
truth. What my biggest problem is right

1239
01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:32.600
now is that my travel capability because
I'm getting collections from here all up to

1240
01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:39.159
up North Birmingham, Manchester everyway,
and I can't do it. I just

1241
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.800
ain't got a car. So that's
why I wear certain things right now.

1242
01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:45.680
I do the closer ones and people
help me. But right now I'm trying

1243
01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:51.159
to get a proper van that would
be able to be converted with my dog

1244
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:56.760
section in the back extra protection.
And also I'm going to convert I dropped

1245
01:30:56.760 --> 01:31:00.640
box into it so young people can
drop the nicing from out side without no

1246
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:01.399
one having to get out of the
ban as well. It's just up the

1247
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:03.960
level of safety. Just help,
yeah, you know what I mean.

1248
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:08.439
And then yeah, man. So
I'm just trying to put little things in

1249
01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:11.960
place to that, just to get
a bit more lack, a bit more

1250
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.760
functioned and then yeah, man,
that's what it is right now, just

1251
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:20.840
trying to get some resources. Do
people do people give to you? Do

1252
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:25.640
people give to you? Sorry?
Do people give to you financially? The

1253
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:30.279
charities that support you? Can our
listeners support you financially? Is that what

1254
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:33.640
you'd need? Or I'll tell the
truth. Sorry, when did you say

1255
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:38.319
your last question? Again? I'm
asking you. Do people support you financially?

1256
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:42.199
Individuals, charities? How can people
do so? Is it connecting with

1257
01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:45.920
you on social media? Or I've
never Basically, I'll tell it you.

1258
01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:51.239
The community have been very very good
to me. And I'd say that in

1259
01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:57.359
the fact that my girlfriend me has
accumulated twenty two thousand. Wow, but

1260
01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:00.840
it's been over five years. But
it's been years, five years and if

1261
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.479
you really check it, it can
cost like to fifty pounds per collection.

1262
01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:08.560
Yeah, and I'm talking like just
going to giving about throughout ten twenty pounds

1263
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:13.279
putting petrol. I can't feed myself
and if I'm with anyone else, the

1264
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:16.239
things that happened for them, you
know, so like I'm saying, yes,

1265
01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:23.039
twenty two pounds sounds a lot of
people, but quickly and o perad

1266
01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:27.640
of time, and then I'm very
grateful it just Elbow and his team.

1267
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.800
They supported me with a small donation, but that was three years ago.

1268
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:34.279
And as I said in it,
if you just do the maths and you

1269
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:39.199
really work out five years, twenty
grand, that ain't nothing. That's not

1270
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:41.960
even a minimum wage, do you
know what I mean? Yeah, there's

1271
01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:45.680
a girlfund missed the same time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1272
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.960
my girlfund me is active and I'm
really appreciative of people that please support it.

1273
01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:51.840
And yeah, I'm just trying to
basically get a vehicle. Once I

1274
01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:57.479
get my vehicles sorted out that can
accommodate me and a decent number of people

1275
01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.159
that we can go on the road. That's not going to allow all the

1276
01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:01.279
allow me to do collections, but
it's also on the allow me to do

1277
01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:05.199
patrols in the school that I don't
know, if you know, I want

1278
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:09.800
to say big shout out of respects
as well respect rebellion, like either really

1279
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.159
a close friend of mine who does
a lot of groundbreaking work. Gang Night

1280
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:16.479
Gang Unite stand for guiding a new
generation. I have to say, big

1281
01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:20.760
shots them as well. And another
set of people that we all work together

1282
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:26.119
is the street fathers. But what
it is, it's just that we do

1283
01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:30.039
roads. We'll be out in Credon
from eight o'clock in the evening to two

1284
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:31.279
o'clock in the morning. You know
what I'm saying. Just do what we

1285
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:35.479
need to do to help. And
there's people that talk, and there's people

1286
01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:40.600
that walk. And any single person
I said just there, they're walkers and

1287
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:45.880
are really really really respecting for him. Now. Fantastic, fantastic. Wow.

1288
01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:54.399
I feel like I've been educated today
andree an sorry joint some more education.

1289
01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:00.600
The quick one to hear one this
year. In two thousand, the

1290
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:03.239
government said they wanted to roll in
the offensive weapons legislation, but they ney've

1291
01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:09.079
actually got to roll the offensive weapons
legislation into twenty twenty right now, that

1292
01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:17.239
offensive weaponation stage. Yeah, the
story is no longer allowed. As you

1293
01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:21.880
see, we've still got people buying
weapons as for weapons even worse than twenty

1294
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:26.479
twenty. The whole office year done
a weapons admnasty by the weapons that hold

1295
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.760
it after three months. Yes,
I heard that, but when I looked

1296
01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:31.199
at it, when I look at
the weapons adnosty. I quickly realized this

1297
01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:35.479
ain't for the children and the community. This weapon is for the retailers.

1298
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:40.199
It's for the retailers before the offensive
weapon legislation rolls in three months later.

1299
01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:43.479
And if you don't want to get
all your reprimands and all your money back,

1300
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:45.560
you for your stock. If you
come in the police station and you

1301
01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:51.239
feel out you're fourteen I mean two
pages of two forms, right and produced,

1302
01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:56.399
don't They'll produce two forms of ID
fill out a fourteen page conversation form

1303
01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:00.199
and provide your receipts for purchasing it. Then you can get compensated. I

1304
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:02.560
quickly realized to think for the children
in the community. This is for the

1305
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:06.039
people. I've been setting the nice
into the community, right and now the

1306
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:11.880
government's giving them a chance to get
their money back before the legislation comes in,

1307
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.079
you know. So it's just all
a mess. That's a big mess.

1308
01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:21.119
That's deep, all right. I'm
going to ask Andre and Angie if

1309
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:26.439
they're there, if they've got any
final thoughts or questions, and then Paran

1310
01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:30.920
I'll come back to you for your
your final word. No clue, I

1311
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:33.359
guess, and thank you. Baron
I know I've been kind of gone off

1312
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:36.920
due to technical things today, so
thank you so much for sharing your story

1313
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:40.760
today. I guess if I was
just to say, there was one thing

1314
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:45.680
you would want to tell a young
person, you know, and again you

1315
01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:48.159
know, education with this to start
from a very young age in terms of

1316
01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:53.199
in terms of their future and what
have you. What would you what advice

1317
01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:57.319
or what words of wisdom would you
share to them to say, do you

1318
01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:02.640
know what? You have a choice? That's it. I'm not going to

1319
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:08.279
come out of no lengthy, dramatic
emotional speech. Younger. You got a

1320
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:13.439
trade, right, so do not
let the circumstances of your of your area

1321
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.760
or where you going up here to
find the person you're going to be Okay,

1322
01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:19.000
you have a trade and it's up
to you to make the right trait

1323
01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:24.680
and if you make the right trade, you get the right results. Simple

1324
01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:30.159
yeah, yeah, yeah, now, I agree, I agree. I

1325
01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:33.520
guess it's just how you can help
them see that, because you know,

1326
01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:38.880
with you know, we talk about
the environment, we talk about what's been

1327
01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:42.560
happening in the crisis. You know, it seems at times seems very bleak,

1328
01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:46.439
and if those positive thoughts aren't being
fed if they're not being fed,

1329
01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:49.960
there's that positive thought or the idea
of hope and what have you. It

1330
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:56.000
seems to be difficult to kind of
get through. But you're right, you

1331
01:36:56.079 --> 01:36:59.880
know they have choice. They do
have choices to a degree. So what

1332
01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:03.319
right in front of everyone is social
media? Yeah? Like you want to

1333
01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:08.079
see more people on social media,
like watching from older to younger people.

1334
01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:10.640
Why I'm gonna read the newspaper if
I can go and land and see everybody

1335
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:15.600
to see. And that's the thing. The general direction and the influence that

1336
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:19.159
social media has is more negative than
positive. That's what the problem is.

1337
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:28.079
Research if you do your research into
that TikTok in China, Yeah, it's

1338
01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:30.600
different. All the young people are
talking about entrepreneurship and minions of how to

1339
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:38.600
make businesses. It's all fun.
The UK is this stuff stabbings, craziness,

1340
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.640
chefings points. You understand, And
I'm just saying, bo Yeah,

1341
01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:47.880
it's easy for your own child like
solve into the environment they're in. It's

1342
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:56.000
easy because right now badness is glorified. It's good to be a bad man.

1343
01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:01.319
Yeah, yeah, I think that's
right said. That's a whole there's

1344
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:09.319
a whole other show I'm gonna have
to love believe you. Guys. Yes,

1345
01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:15.119
thank you so much. Fun.
We appreciate it, We appreciate everything.

1346
01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:23.119
Person here man Angel. We can
catch up somewhere. Miss if you

1347
01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:26.880
if a my number, like by
all means, send it to me.

1348
01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:32.239
I will do. Thank you.
All the best to you and your family

1349
01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:41.720
far and thank you. Wow,
gosh story and you know what send me.

1350
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:45.760
You're so right in terms of the
education, because yeah, there's a

1351
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:47.039
lot that I learned. There's kind
of bits that you kind of know a

1352
01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:55.479
little bits about the ideas of stuff, but you know, coming from experience

1353
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:59.640
and everything else. Yeah, it's
a powerful, powerful testimony. And as

1354
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:04.479
you say, God has purposed him
to do more, He's been given the

1355
01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:11.439
opportunity to do more, as she
said, So yeah, thank you so

1356
01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:15.840
much Bear for sharing. Absolutely.
I mean it was it was full,

1357
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:19.239
it was packed, and I know
that hopefully we'll be able to podcast this

1358
01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:26.000
and share it again. But an
amazing story and amazing testimony. And it

1359
01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:29.479
is God, whether whether he says
it or not. And I'm sure he

1360
01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:34.159
does acknowledge that it is him,
you know, all over this his life,

1361
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:38.880
his life been spared, his life
being protected as he goes in and

1362
01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:43.439
out. You know, the stories
that he tells of his kids being successful

1363
01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:45.560
and being on the right path.
I mean, it could have gone any

1364
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:48.079
which way, but we praise God
for his life and we just ask him

1365
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:53.319
to protect, protect Pharaon as he
continues to do what he's doing and his

1366
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:59.720
team as well as well. Andrew, any final words, are you willing

1367
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:03.319
to close us out? Are you
there? The only thing that I was

1368
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:10.399
really thinking that I'm I'm thankful for
the Everyone has their their ministry, they're

1369
01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:13.720
calling it administry. I'm thankful for
the ministry and what he's doing. It's

1370
01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:18.319
making a real impact, and we
can all have an impact. May not

1371
01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:21.039
be in the same way that Parignet
is, but we can all have an

1372
01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:28.640
impact in our own spares. How
much difference to you one tebble dropping water.

1373
01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:31.319
We don't know how far the report
goes. So even have just an

1374
01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:34.399
encouraging word to let someone know,
you know you can do. You have

1375
01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:39.760
so many options. You don't have
to do this. Or I acknowledge the

1376
01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:43.880
young person's talent and encouraging them to
develop it, or even helping them to

1377
01:40:44.279 --> 01:40:46.960
try to developing their talents. Whatever
we can do to encouraging the pole because

1378
01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:53.359
we know some must more than others
know. It's a bitter taste of what

1379
01:40:53.520 --> 01:41:00.479
happens when we lose a life stupidly
for something like my claim or along those

1380
01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:04.760
lines. Yes, absolutely absolutely,
do you want to just close us out

1381
01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:10.600
with a quick prayre sorry to put
you on the spot, and then we

1382
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:15.520
will say good night. Then thought, we thank you once again for your

1383
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:19.680
patients, your loving kindness, your
compassion, for your guidance. You will

1384
01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:25.199
the spread play that you will continue
to be requiring his his team. Will

1385
01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:29.640
you send those to him that will
be at use the guide people off the

1386
01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.239
streets and hopefully guide them to a
knowledge of you that prayer you'll be with

1387
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:36.000
or compunity as a church community.
Deal with the leaders that they too will

1388
01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:42.199
make the commitments that they can to
really help orients able to find purpose,

1389
01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:48.800
guidance and that practical support they need. We can keep them probably occupied this

1390
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:54.399
station as well, continue to keep
their clink on the pulse and keep these

1391
01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:58.560
topics in the in the air waves
that will be reminded of the word that

1392
01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:02.359
still needs to be done for all
these kindness and give us part of it

1393
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:10.880
anyway, with us need to come
amen, Amen, Andre, your T

1394
01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:14.199
shirt is on the way. I
just have to check with Tara and Pedro

1395
01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:18.199
that that's all right, but it
isn't the way to you. I mean,

1396
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:23.039
it must be done. You've just
been so instrumental in the conversations that

1397
01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:26.239
we've had over the past few months. And I know that you, once

1398
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:29.359
you're free, you're always willing,
and I thank you very much for that.

1399
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:31.479
My God continue to bless you as
well, and protect you and keep

1400
01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:36.720
you and give your family comfort and
strength at this time as well. All

1401
01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:43.840
right, thank you, Angie.
Are you here, You're not, you're

1402
01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:48.079
there? Tell me just oh my
gosh, I can see you now,

1403
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:57.079
like at four minutes past seven.
Technology, you can't live with it,

1404
01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:00.800
you can't live without it. That's
how it goes, Lucky. It's me

1405
01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:03.239
that I forgot to say, so, I forgot to say. So what

1406
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:08.720
I'm doing Saturday night, praise.
So if you're still there, if you

1407
01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:13.479
want to be with me till nine
o'clock, please please keep the dialogue on

1408
01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:17.319
Adventist really Alion, Yes, good
to see you, Agie, good to

1409
01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:23.359
see cool. Yes, thank you
for listening in. I was listening in

1410
01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:28.159
even though I sometimes was locked talk
about Yeah, it's been a powerful,

1411
01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:34.640
powerful, powerful show and it's such
a humble man as amazing. Yeah,

1412
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:40.319
it's just it's definitely really positive today
because sometimes as well, it's very easy

1413
01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:43.279
for us to think, actually there's
not much happening, but yet you know

1414
01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:45.319
there are, and I think,
you know, highlighting the work that is

1415
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:49.439
being done, even if it's just
you know, small pockets here and there.

1416
01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:54.439
You know, I think it's really
is encouraging to hear that people are

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still trying to make a difference,
even sometimes it feels maybe a thankless task

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or yes it feels a bit bleak
or hopeless at times. You know,

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the little bits of difference a little
bit, the little bits that we keep

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chipping at it, you know,
it can make a big difference. So

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absolutely, yeah, absolutely, Well
I should say good night then thanks again

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for joining us, and yes for
sticking with us through the technical issues.

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I'm certain you were encouraged by the
conversation, you were enlightened by the conversation,

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and we look forward to another edition, hopefully next week, but we'll

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keep you posted for now. It's
good night for me, son, Yes,

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good night, Brandler. That's it. I'd bless you and have a

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great Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for
the song