WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.759 Karen, what we have got a love story in our hands today. Ooh, 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.080 I like that. I love story. I thought you'd like it. 3 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:12.119 Yep, but may not be exactly what you think. Well, as song 4 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:14.599 as it's all about love, I'm good it is all about love. Well, 5 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:17.960 for all these years of doing the show and all the interviews we've done 6 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.000 about life after death, connecting with loved ones on the other side, and 7 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:24.559 your death experiences, I'd say you and I don't really have any doubts that 8 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.160 there's lots more to this world than meets the eye, right, I would 9 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:31.399 agree. Well, I'd also say that's really nice to know that our loved 10 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:33.920 ones are here with us, ready to help us anytime we need them to. 11 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:36.159 But although there might be on the other side, right, m hm. 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.119 Remember that old movie with Demi Moore and Patrick Swayze, Ghost Ghost? 13 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:45.359 What if they could have kept that love going even after Patrick had died? 14 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:54.119 Well, I mean it sounds great. There might be some challenges. Well, 15 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.600 do you think it's possible for us to continue relationships we have on this 16 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.560 side with those that have passed over to the other side. I think we 17 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:02.960 can. I think they might have to change a little bit. Yeah, 18 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.159 well, this one might just change your perspective on everlasting love. All right. 19 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.840 My name is Will and I'm Karen, and unlike moulderin Scully, both 20 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:15.879 want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked 21 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.040 to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into 22 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:25.159 weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of witches and wait, 23 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.560 you joined a coven yep, all on the interest of finding something, anything, 24 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.239 that will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three dimensional world we 25 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:51.959 all live in. This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Welcome to the skeptic metaphysicians. 26 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.719 I'm Will and I'm Scarings, and today's topic is quite the intriguing one, 27 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.359 you see. Pam Johnson is an inspirational speaker, author, and a 28 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:05.040 chandler who lives in Honolulu, Hawaii, where she met her husband Alan during 29 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.120 his first visit to the Islands in nineteen ninety. Now. Alan was a 30 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:14.400 natural born medium who had contact with the spirit world from early childhood until he 31 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:19.719 passed away in August of twenty twenty. A sad story for most but not 32 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.400 for Pam and Allen, because you see Alan return to Pam from beyond and 33 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:29.520 they've continued their loving relationships from across the Vale. And now Pam and Allen 34 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:35.680 teach direct spirit communication through private lessons and their group coaching program, the Supernatural 35 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:40.120 Love Academy, and she's here with us today to talk to us about soulmates 36 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.360 in the afterlife. She says that interdimensional relationships are actually on the rise, 37 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.240 and I couldn't be more thrilled to welcome Pam Johnson to the show. Pam, 38 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.400 thanks much for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me. I'm 39 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.400 so excited to be here and talk about this because yes, it's for real, 40 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.000 it's happening. And I myself was shocked when people started reaching out to 41 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:05.400 me after I shared my story wrote our book, and I didn't know. 42 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.439 I thought, well, maybe I'm just an outlier, right, Like it's 43 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:13.080 just me because my husband's a medium, I'm an intuitive. Maybe that's it, 44 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.240 right. But lo and behold, they're ordinary people from all blocks of 45 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:24.080 life, even Christian fundamentalists who are shocked when their loved ones start to reach 46 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.639 out and say, hey, I'm here and I want to continue. And 47 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:30.840 then they just think you know, they're losing their mind, right because who's 48 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.439 talking about this? You know, nobody's talking about it. So I think 49 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.759 we're one of the few voices out there talking about it. So I'm so 50 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:43.439 thrilled that you're having us here because we just cannot stop talking about it, 51 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.759 because I mean, I can't think of anything more you know, hopeful and 52 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.960 inspiring than that. You know that our loved ones are not lost to us, 53 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.560 and we can continue our relationship, and they're here to support us and 54 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.680 help us doing what I think all of us would agree our very challenging times. 55 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.159 You know, of course, the spirit world does step it up when 56 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:08.639 the world is going through crisis. They began doing that at the twentieth century, 57 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.840 you know, before World War One and World War Two. That's when 58 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.400 all the phenomenon happened. You know. The thing is fox sisters and the 59 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.040 wraps and taps on the walls that started. Well, that that is really 60 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:23.720 what it's about. I've heard mediums say the same thing. The spirit world 61 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.120 was reaching out to us. We weren't the ones knocking on their door, 62 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.600 you know, they were literally knocking our door saying we're here to help you. 63 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.519 We're here, we love you, And I think they're just getting louder 64 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:42.120 apparently because I keep hearing of people having contact and we're just here to support 65 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.439 them, which is why we started teaching live on YouTube. I decided to 66 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.279 kind of carve my own path because nobody's talking about it, so I go, 67 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:51.800 well, I'm going to talk about it. You know, I'm going 68 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.199 to get on YouTube and talk about it. And so people are starting to 69 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:00.480 find us sand and yeah say yeah, me too, this is me too. 70 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.879 There's a lot to talk about there. Where do we start? But 71 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.480 really quickly before Karen asked her first questionse I know she's chomping at the bit. 72 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:15.600 You keep talking about welcoming you in the plural sense. Does that mean 73 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.040 that Alan is here with us right now? Oh? Yeah, he's You 74 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.600 know, this is the thing, guys, they're all here. There's nowhere 75 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:28.759 to go. The afterlife isn't some far away place right like a distant star. 76 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.759 I mean, reality isn't folded upon itself, So it's just another dimension 77 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:38.839 that we can't see right with our physical eye. But guess what, we 78 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.639 can hear them, We can communicate, They can energetically even say touch us, 79 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.480 like give us tingles or chills, and I have people that have I 80 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.839 have people that have physical contact with their loved one. You know, there's 81 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.839 so many degrees. This was fascinating and I'm trying to study this, you 82 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.199 know, with the people that I'm meeting, that we work with, and 83 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.720 it's send me across the board, like I mean, actual physical contact, 84 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:09.720 but mostly it's it's kind of subtle, but definitely communication, definitely messages, 85 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:15.199 definitely, you know, across the board there's there's contact of all kinds. 86 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.160 And I think we're just scratching the surface and beginning to hear about this because 87 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.560 again, people are not comfortable talking about it. They think they're going to 88 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:29.800 be ridiculed or not believed or told that they're wrong or crazy. Right, 89 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:33.439 And and to me, this is what this is is at a similar place 90 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.680 as where near death experiences were before they became more accepted, you know, 91 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:45.040 where people who had those nds, some of them were institutionalized. Like one 92 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.040 of my friends, his mother was locked up and that drove her crazy. 93 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:53.959 It wasn't her NDE, it was because she wasn't believed and she was thought 94 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.560 to be nuts, so she got locked up made her worse. I mean 95 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.879 she really did go crazy. So this is what we're dealing with. But 96 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:05.680 fortunately because of NDEs, you know, people are a little more open minded, 97 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:09.439 like, Okay, well, maybe you know, the after life is 98 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.680 real, right, maybe these people talking about going through the veil and coming 99 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.279 back, you know, maybe that's real. So but still when I talk 100 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.920 to the spiritual community, a lot of them just kind of go, oh 101 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.839 yeah, okay, Like I go, wait a minute, I'm saying that 102 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:29.519 they're still here and they're not earth bound, they're not you know, hallucinations. 103 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:33.439 They're here and they're helping people. They're healing people, they're giving them 104 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:38.839 guidance, they're healing their grief, you know. I mean, I don't 105 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.920 get it. I don't get why people who are in you know, the 106 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.839 new wage community aren't taking it seriously. But my husband from the other side, 107 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:51.199 says it's because they haven't lost someone. So people don't tend to really 108 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.879 go into this unless they are grieving, because they just go, oh yeah, 109 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:01.480 okay, fine. They don't have any you know, anything to connect 110 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.800 with it. They don't really completely accept it. They just tolerate it. 111 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.399 And in fact, I've gotten a lot of push back from mediums. In 112 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:15.560 fact, the people in my community that go to mediums telling them that they've 113 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.360 had these experiences. Then they're either told, well, your partner's obviously earth 114 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.319 bound or you know, you have to let them go and they're going to 115 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.800 bring you somebody, somebody new, and this is not what the person wants. 116 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:28.839 They're like, no, I k napping this conjec and I want to 117 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:35.000 continue. And then they some of them are devastated because they are thinking that, 118 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.399 well, maybe my partner doesn't want me to continue, right, maybe 119 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.039 they want me to move on. And can you imagine a worst thing to 120 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.480 tell somebody in grief, Oh, your husband wants you to move on? 121 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.279 Like what are you saying? He doesn't love me anymore? Like he just 122 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.799 wants me to go go to Tinder or something like what are you talking about? 123 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.799 I mean, is there a tender for the afterlife? Because probably I'm 124 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.679 sure there's everything, right, all the profiles that wants there you go go 125 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.919 multi dimensional? Right, So what was your first contact with her husband? 126 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.200 Like, like, how did you know it was him? I knew it 127 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.320 was him. I wasn't expecting even though he was a medium and we never 128 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.039 talked about it. He didn't like to talk about death and and so when 129 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.399 he crossed, I just thought, I really just thought, oh, well 130 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.919 that's I mean. I he's a medium, I'm a channeler. And there 131 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.320 occurred to me. But I started hearing him talk to me. And I 132 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.480 have a friend who's very clearvoyant. She can see spirit, and she could 133 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.279 see him and talk to him. And because she sees others like it is. 134 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.879 Do you know that the parent the irony here is that was the first 135 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:46.279 movie he and I saw together. Oh wait, talk about shadowing, right. 136 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.480 I couldn't I swear it sounds too corny. That was the first movie 137 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.440 we saw together after we met because he I met him in Hawaii and we 138 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.799 went to a movie in a local theater and it was playing at that time, 139 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.759 and so and so when he came back, he said, yeah, 140 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:05.320 we're like the movie Ghost, except that Patrick stayed and continued the relationship to 141 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:13.679 me too. No, I don't do that. Although he was an artist, 142 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:20.200 he was a pater. I've got lots of questions about this because all 143 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.279 kinds of things pop the mind, right, questions about people who really have 144 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.919 a hard time breaking up with others and think, oh finally I'm freeing. 145 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.960 Oh my gosh, no, I'm not right. But but but the really 146 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:37.120 we talk about continuing relationships. To me, a relationship is one that you're 147 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.960 there for each other emotionally all that kind of, but also you're also there 148 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:48.039 for each other physically. So how does that work with this interdimensional relationship that 149 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:52.080 you So there's there's all kinds of expansions people are having. Okay, so 150 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.320 it's all unique to the person the couple. What I have discovered through teaching 151 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.399 this is that there's there's two parties obviously to any relationship, right, and 152 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:07.320 so there's them in the spirit world. Some of the spirits are stronger in 153 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.720 their ability to come through and make contact, even physical contact. Some of 154 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.279 them, you know, they're learning, so it's more subtle, but the 155 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.039 learning continues, like they get stronger. I've seen that with some of our 156 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:24.039 students, like the loved one is getting stronger and stronger. But then we 157 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.360 are the other half of the equation. It's not like this is a passive 158 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.360 experience. We have to develop spiritually. In other words, it's not about 159 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.279 really becoming psychic, because you know, we're all born psychic. It's not 160 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.639 about that. It's really about letting go of your negative beliefs, right, 161 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.879 your fears, your trauma, because that keeps your vibration kind of low. 162 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.360 And when they cross over, they're at this higher vibe. You know, 163 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:56.840 they're not perfect because they're still growing and learning and evolving, but they're higher 164 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.799 than we are because they drop their ego. So we have to kind of 165 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.519 rise up to meet them halfway because they can only come down so far. 166 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.960 And so what we teach is I help people just shed their limiting beliefs, 167 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.200 and we do a lot of healing in our academy and and basically I just 168 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.720 teach them these principles that I've learned for thirty seven years in this you know, 169 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:24.799 in this field because I've always been an interestant healing and spiritual counseling and 170 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.320 all that. But it's about that evolving as a soul, you know, 171 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.559 just letting go of your fault, your identity, idea of who you are 172 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.679 right that a lot of times has just taken on other people's beliefs, like 173 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.440 your parents told you you're this way, or society tells you this way. 174 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:46.600 It's like letting that go and finding out who am I really as a soul? 175 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:48.600 What am I here for? So to me, this is a spiritual 176 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:54.480 journey. This is why I tell people if you want to connect with them 177 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.639 and have an ongoing relationship, don't mean just one time connection, which some 178 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.759 people can have, but have an ongoing connection. You have to develop yourself. 179 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.360 So as far as the physical content you're talking about with me and Alan, 180 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:13.320 I feel this. I can't explain it. It's this love that is 181 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.919 like wrapped around me all the time, and I just feel this. It's 182 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.279 like this pulsing and it's not it's it's it's not sexual per se, but 183 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.879 it's more like this warmth, you know, this like this, And I've 184 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.960 heard other of my students say similar things, but some of them actually have 185 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.360 physical contact. When woman does to the point where she can't sleep at night 186 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:43.320 because her husband is so happy that he can come through, and she's spiritually 187 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:48.000 very open and more developed, let's say, than the average person. So 188 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.080 so I think I told her, I think this is why she can connect 189 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.440 with him like me and him halfway. So so it's like I told her, 190 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.519 we're going to have to talk to your husband and set them boundaries served 191 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:07.039 because exactly exactly, I mean people in my academy when we were talking about 192 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.759 this in our meeting, right, several of our members, a women members 193 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:15.440 said, well, can you tell him to talk to my husband? Oh 194 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.399 my gosh, like, could you just go have him talk to him? 195 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:20.440 His name is? You know? Like that. It was so funny. 196 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:26.480 But my husband says, yeah, they're all at different levels and they can 197 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:30.399 certainly can learn to do something like that. But even if they can't, 198 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.759 I have people who can like feel their partner kind of cuddling them energetically, 199 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:41.279 you know, feeling that connection. And let's just say, even if they're 200 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:45.639 not in a three D body, most of us would say I'll take that 201 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:52.240 then rather than thinking I'm alone and having therefore like no contact. You know. 202 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:54.759 And this is not for everybody, granted, but for some, for 203 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:58.519 some of these men and women, because I have been in women in my 204 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.559 group, you know, it's for them. They're all in. It's like 205 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.840 this person was my person. I don't want anybody else. I at least 206 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:11.320 want to see where this goes. I would say, you know, admittedly, 207 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.240 people have to learn to be independent, especially women, you know, 208 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.039 you have to learn to be independent. But I don't feel lonely like at 209 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:24.320 all. I mean, I'm actually happier now in my marriage than I was 210 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.559 when Alan was in a body because his ego was really in the way. 211 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.679 Yeah, this laundry don't have to Yeah, I don't have to argue about 212 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.679 anything. No, he's just he's just here in in a fuller way, 213 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.960 like and he advises me about things. He's never wrong, like unlike when 214 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.840 he was in a body, said he was wrong, he would he would 215 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.120 have said he was never wrong, but that would be wrong, right, 216 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:00.440 But it's it's phenomenal. And he says to me because because he wasn't and 217 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.399 he was a spiritual teacher. He says that we contracted to do this, 218 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:10.399 and that was why I've always been interested in spirituality and in you know, 219 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.679 becoming more embodying your soul more, you know, just evolving as fully as 220 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.039 can be. I've always been passionate about that for thirty some years. So 221 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.240 it's just he says, we're here to help with the ascension, and this 222 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:30.240 whole experience is helping other people. We're near people in their own ascension process, 223 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.879 and the more of us you're doing this, we're making it easier for 224 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.600 other people to have contact, you know, because we're all really one. 225 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:44.240 So we're not affecting each other, aren't we? Like, it's just contagious, 226 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.559 right, It's like as to expand our consciousness. So what would you 227 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.120 say to people? Because you hear from time to time people that have lost 228 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.799 a loved one, you know, spouse, and they're desperate for some sort 229 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.000 of sign And no matter what they do, how much they pray, meditate, 230 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.679 look for it, they don't see it at all. What's going on 231 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.880 there? Well, if they are you and their grief. The challenge is 232 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.440 that grief can create like an obstacle or static. It depends the depth of 233 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:15.240 grief. So however, some spirits are so strong they can overpower that, 234 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.279 but that takes a lot of energy, and in their early days of their 235 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:26.240 passing they have more residual earth energy is what I call it, to make 236 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:32.640 contact, but that fades as they fully transition. So if somebody isn't getting 237 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:34.880 signs, I'd say, first you know, it's probably their grief. They 238 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.400 just may have to give it time. There are people who get signs right 239 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.920 away, and again it could be the loved one in spirit is just really 240 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:48.480 strong. It could be the person's grief is not that dense. But if 241 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.480 time and time, they can still make contact, you know, it just 242 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.160 might take a little while. So it's it varies. But I tell people 243 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.559 just you know, don't give up, just keep look asking for signs, 244 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:04.319 keep looking. I think that a lot of times people are getting signs, 245 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.119 but they're so distracted, especially in the world we live in right now where 246 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.240 all their you know, phones and technology. Right people are just walking around 247 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.799 looking at their phone like you're not miss you're missing the sign, you know. 248 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.480 But it can happen. So I would say, don't give up, 249 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:23.880 hope and keep you know, keep observing, keep asking, and keep be 250 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:29.799 hopeful. Yeah, now do you think it might be? And I don't 251 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.319 know. I'm just strictly asking for your opinion. A little bit selfish of 252 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.160 these spirits who have gone on to kind of want to come back and maintain 253 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.440 these relationships. Because if someone is, you know, young and say they 254 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.079 want to have kids, and then their spouse passes and now he's coming back 255 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.319 and he's like, no, we're still together, and she's like, well, 256 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.880 yeah, I mean right before you answer it, we've got we've got 257 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:55.039 to take a quick break. That's a great question, the great question to 258 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.920 leave everybody hanging on. So I want to keep that going through this break. 259 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:00.839 When we come back, we're going to answer that question, and we're 260 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.440 also going to actually ask you a couple more questions because I think we have 261 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.920 to lose things we've only asked you, like a single question or something like 262 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.759 that. But we do have a lot more for you, I promise you, 263 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:12.119 and we'll get some right after these messages. We'll be right back. 264 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.799 Hey, it's sign for another five star review. This time is a little 265 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:34.519 quick one. It's by Serice Lynn via Apple Podcasts and the subject line reads 266 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.400 love the show. It's a five star review. Serice Lynn goes on to 267 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:44.359 say this podcast gives a different perspective on life. 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You can even leave us a voicemail 275 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.720 or an email directly there, or if you want to do like Serice Lynn 276 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.799 and provide social proof for those looking for cool shows, go to Apple Podcasts 277 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:29.079 and leave us a review there. Once again, Suries Lynn, really appreciate 278 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:36.839 your review, and let's get back to the show. Welcome back to the 279 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:41.880 Skeptic Metapositions. We're talking to Pam Johnson and I would say Alan Johnson as 280 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:47.960 well. We are talking about love affairs beyond the grave, and that sounds 281 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.720 pretty weird, but I'm not talking about anything weird. It's like we're continuing 282 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:56.200 relationships interdimensionally. When someone passes, crosses the veil, still finding a way 283 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:00.839 to remain in a relationship with someone who has. Pam and Alan have done 284 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:06.319 just that and are currently doing right now, and they're teaching others how to 285 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:10.920 do this as well. And right before the break, Karen had the world's 286 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:12.920 best question, because I didn't think she was going to go there, but 287 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.000 I'm glad that she did. Karen, can you re ask the question, 288 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.839 Oh my gosh, see if I remember exactly well, So my question was, 289 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:25.240 essentially, is it a little bit selfish of the people that have passed 290 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.559 on to want to hold on to a relationship with someone on the earth who 291 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.839 might still have other things they would want to experience. Like if they're young 292 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:36.519 and they've never had a child, they want to maybe remarry and have a 293 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.240 child. So how does that work, Like what if the husband is I'm 294 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.079 still here and then she has the grief, so she wants to kind of 295 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:47.920 stay with that but also be able to carry on her life. Well, 296 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.400 that's a good question, and I can say it's the Well, in the 297 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:53.519 case of women, okay, we'll say women, since you can talk about 298 00:21:53.559 --> 00:22:02.440 children. I have women who have children with their partner who passed, okay, 299 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.519 and that partner wants to continue to be a parent through the veil. 300 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.319 And in fact, this has been written about in other books where the spirit 301 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:15.119 does want to be involved. But if the woman or the man is younger, 302 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.079 I mean, that's a different thing, and it's not I don't know. 303 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:19.599 I mean, they may not come back me, you know, because 304 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:25.160 it has to be an agreement obviously between the two souls, you know, 305 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:30.720 and ultimately they just want us to be happy, so it you know, 306 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.880 it's I don't feel as being selfish. I don't think that they're going to 307 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.640 kind of come through and say, hey, I want to be here if 308 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.400 they know that their partner is only twenty one and they want to have children, 309 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.680 and obviously the husband can't you know, do that. In that case, 310 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.920 I really doubt that their loved one is going to, you know, 311 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.920 insist on that. But the thing that I get upset about is when mediums 312 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:57.359 tell somebody like that, right, they just lost their husband and yes they're 313 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.079 young, and they'll say, well, do he wants to bring you somebody 314 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.960 new? And like, that's the wrong thing to tell anybody, you know, 315 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.720 even if the loved one in spirit wants to do that, there's no 316 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.920 need for a medium to break this loved one's heart right saying your husband wants 317 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.640 you to move on. Nobody nobody wants to hear that, do they right? 318 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:19.079 But yeah, I don't think it's being selfish that they wouldn't. They 319 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:23.359 wouldn't do that, Okay, So then it's it's not like an automatic thing. 320 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.200 It's like they come to you and ask you all over again, Hey, 321 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:33.160 do you want to go steady again? I want to date my husband 322 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.680 did come back and propose marriage to me again? Because well, We got 323 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:44.319 married again in front on Zoom with Mark some of my Facebook group members I 324 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:48.920 think about twenty people. And he proposed to me through my medium friend I 325 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.240 wrote about it in her book and how he proposed to me. And he 326 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.200 made he made a ring for me, actually have it on. He made 327 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.319 a ring, meaning like she she wove it out of silver, this ring 328 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.799 and you can see it. It's a silver ring. And she rote rove 329 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.160 it out of sterling silver and she her arm got red hot and she could 330 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.279 feel she can feel the angel. So she said, Alan was chanting some 331 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:18.960 angelic language and he was. She was wrapping this ring, and it's it's 332 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.759 amazing. So I wear this ring almost all the time because it literally was 333 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.039 made by an angel, my girlfriend who basically was, you know, chanelling 334 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.079 Alan. So they can do things like that. Yes, I have other 335 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:33.240 friends who had these interdimensional second weddings. You know, I mean somebody, 336 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.839 somebody should should go into business and do this. You know, I really 337 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:47.359 have a serious destination wedding. Oh absolutely right, Like wow, this is 338 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.799 so this is so interesting. I've not I will be honest, I've not 339 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:52.839 heard of this ever. This is the first time I'm hearing of this so 340 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.039 and it's it's I mean, it makes so much sense that like when I 341 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.960 die, Karen, you are stuck with me, right, I'm still I'm 342 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.680 living. I am what I am? Not young, hottie? What are 343 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:11.720 you talking about? Are you? When they cross over, they're they're eternally 344 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.799 young. Like my husband comes through and he looks younger than when he was 345 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.160 in a body. And if I can see it to my friends, oh 346 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:23.200 that's a good question. Can you see Ellen? I can see Alan clairvoyantly 347 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.759 in my mind's eye. I mean I know if I tune in, I 348 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.480 see what he's doing and it just makes me laugh and go, what are 349 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:34.119 you doing? Like what he's wearing or what is facial expression? And there's 350 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.119 I understand now that clairvoyance. You know, there's many ranges of it. 351 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.759 It's not like three D obviously, right, It's it's holographic. Uh, 352 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.880 they look kind of transparent. It can be a flash in your mind of 353 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.000 like you get a visual you know, Like that's what happens a lot with 354 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:55.680 me. And I'm seeing him more and more, but I do see his 355 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.039 face and sometimes it changes. And of course I have medium friends, Like 356 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.119 I said, who are clair whyant? They can see him, like see 357 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.960 him and talk to him. So there's there's like levels you know that we 358 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.680 can and we're always evolving, is what I'm finding, at least for me 359 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.279 and my students, and we're getting stronger in our ability. It's not like 360 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.720 you reach a ceiling on any of this. You know you can always develop 361 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:23.640 further. So this puts yeah, the whole thought of uh, he's when 362 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:27.359 people say I'm sorry for your loss or something like that and you say, 363 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.200 no, he's still here with us today. That brings us to his whole 364 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.680 other level. Did your friends who made me aren't in this world? Your 365 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.960 family? Are they supportive in this or do they think you've gone off the 366 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.599 dbend? Well, you have to remember I've been in this field for thirty 367 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.799 seven years, so my parents have passed. But my parents knew what My 368 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.319 mom was my biggest fan because my grandmother was a psychic medium. I didn't 369 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:57.079 know this until I opened up and started to feel and see things because I 370 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:03.279 had lived a very ordinary life and I had no sense of the other side 371 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.240 until I started the channel and then I started to become more telepathic. And 372 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.640 then my mother said, oh, yeah, your grandmother was a psychic medium, 373 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.559 and she used to do readings in hanapepekow Why before World War two because 374 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:21.559 she was a picture bribe from Japan and she was you know, you got 375 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:26.839 to be a pretty tough cookie to come over the Pacific Ocean and marry some 376 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.319 stranger, right, and to start a family. And she was a psychic. 377 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.400 So so when I opened up my mom, my mom said her mother 378 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.440 came to her and said, don't worry about Pam. She's just like me. 379 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.680 She'll be okay. So my mother from then on was like, oh, 380 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.279 you're good, like you'll be fine, and she trusted my opinion about 381 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.480 everything because because her mother told her. So, Look, did I answer 382 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:59.759 your question? You did? So were any of your family members at the 383 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.680 like, any of your family members that have passed on like you grandmother? 384 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.440 Oh? Well probably, But at the Zoom wedding, our son was there. 385 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.079 You know, our son, our son is very psychic, and he 386 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.880 talks to his dad and has called out to him for help and received it. 387 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.079 So so I'm I'm fortunate. Everyone around me, they just know they 388 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.039 they'll go house Allen, or they'll even say yeah, I kind of talked 389 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.039 to him the other day. He showed up when I was doing that. 390 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:33.400 So it's very normal for us, and that's just how we live like we 391 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.680 we live like kis here cause he's here and sometimes he's just more involved than 392 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.319 others. But he's always around and my son calls on him again, like 393 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:48.359 when he needs him and gets advice. I want to live in your world, 394 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:49.119 I know, I do. I want to live in your world. 395 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:55.039 This sounds so much nicer than ours, right when people are just people are 396 00:28:55.160 --> 00:29:02.119 just accepting and loving, and I mean, I think it's wonderful. I 397 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:06.440 don't know that I am ready for that. Having all that said and done, 398 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.359 it sounds wonderful. I just don't know if I'm ready for it because 399 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:15.200 other than coming back and haunting Karen the rest of our life. But I'd 400 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.519 love to go back to the original question, which was I haven't heard about 401 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.000 this ever? Why do you think that is? Why do more people not 402 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.359 talk about them? I mean, there's gotta be a lot of people having 403 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.839 these relationships, right, yeah, and they find me. I can't. 404 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.680 I've lost track of the other people because we published our book. This Valentine's 405 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.079 Day, only two days from now, will mark a year since our book 406 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.440 came out, and since our book came out and I've been we're talking about 407 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.640 this and you know, getting noticed and all that. You know, people 408 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.359 are reaching out to me and saying I've had this experience too, and with 409 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.240 some of them which with much more profound experiences, you know, contact, 410 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.680 and they don't have me to talk to about it. So I believe it's 411 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:03.359 because even like I said, even the mediums and the spiritual community, they 412 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.079 don't know what to think of it. They just because if it doesn't happen 413 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.400 to you, you just think, well that's maybe that person's just you know, 414 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:15.039 imagining it. But you know, you can't imagine this stuff like because 415 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:21.160 if you could, then everybody would imagine that they feel this love and that 416 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.160 they have this contact, because isn't that what everybody wants? You would think 417 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.240 that, right if everybody's grieving would go, but I want my to feel 418 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.519 my husband hugging me or something. But they don't. You know, partly 419 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.920 it's because they don't believe, and your beliefs create your reality as partly you 420 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.400 must understand, and partly because you'd freak out if someone started reaching out to 421 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:47.920 you like me. But but like I told you, I've had somebody in 422 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.960 my group who was a Christian okay, didn't believe in any of this stuff, 423 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:57.279 and was shocked when she felt her husband touching her and wanting to connect, 424 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:03.000 like physically wanting to make love with her. And she said, I 425 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.000 really thought I was losing my mind, and then I heard about you. 426 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.960 I've had people tell me they go online to find out about this and they 427 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.400 can't find anything, but somehow they find me because there are people now talking 428 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.319 about us, like on Facebook a lot, because I have a Facebook group 429 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.440 for partners and spouses, and so they're talking about it right in these groups, 430 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.279 and they're starting to hear about it. And if you actually go on 431 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:32.720 Facebook, you'll see that there actually are some interdimensional couples groups. They're kind 432 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:37.359 of here and there, and so it is being talked about, but it's 433 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.039 very, you know, kind of behind the scenes, like it's not really 434 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.640 out there. And I really think that mediums don't even understand this. Because 435 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.960 one of the most famous meetings, if I said his name, you would 436 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:55.160 know it. He told one of my members who he happened to read during 437 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.559 some open reading thing right they have online, and she was selected, well, 438 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.400 is herself a medium and she's having contact with her husband, so she 439 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.160 was surprised to get called, but she's a big fan of this medium, 440 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.680 and he proceeded to tell her that, oh, well, you have to 441 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.200 let your husband go. You know, you're holding him back and basically telling 442 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.519 her that, you know, he wasn't really here with her. And she 443 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.680 was like so shocked. And she came to me for a reading and I 444 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.400 said, are you joking? I said, your husband's like, oh, 445 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.400 like over, You're all over me. She goes, well, that's what 446 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:34.160 I thought, you know. So she was really disheartened because she didn't expect 447 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.039 that. And then I heard my husband say, that's how a lot of 448 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.480 mediums are taught to say that you need to let the dead go, that 449 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:46.240 life is for the living, and you're holding them back and you can't continue 450 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:52.119 their relationship. You know, it would be dysfunctional. And admittedly maybe for 451 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.519 some people it might be. I don't know, it depends on the relationship. 452 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:59.160 But but what I've seen, the people I've seen, and I have 453 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.440 about two hundred members in my academy at this point, I don't see anybody 454 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.920 that has a dysfunctional relationship. You know, what happens is the partner oftentimes 455 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:14.160 wants to come through because they recognize that they didn't love as well as they 456 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.920 could have, that they missed the mark. My husband did. He said, 457 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.160 I fail to be the husband that you really needed, and I want 458 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.400 to make that up to you. I want to support you. And besides, 459 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:29.079 we agreed to do this work together. But that aside, he said, 460 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.319 I want you to feel the love that I couldn't give you because my 461 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:37.279 ego was in the way and I just couldn't be all that I am until 462 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.680 I died. So he said to me, Pam, is it better that 463 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.039 I'm dead. Let me have this marriage now that I'm dead, because I'm 464 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.359 more who I am? And I said yeah, because I was frustrated through 465 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.680 our marriage because I knew that he wasn't fully himself, you know. But 466 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.240 I couldn't get him to come alive, you know, I couldn't get him 467 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.799 to snap out of this low grade depression or whatever it was that he was 468 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.720 dealing with. He and he says, a lot of men are like that, 469 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.920 women too. I'm not saying picking on men, but you know, 470 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.039 my husband always, you know, would say, because he was a psychic 471 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.880 counselor reader for thirty some odd years. You know, say, if if 472 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.760 men got their act together, I would be out of a job. Because 473 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.480 he's to say that all the time, because of course most of the clients 474 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:28.519 are women. So and again he's not picking on men, but you know, 475 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.320 men because of our egos. You know, it's just had challenging right, 476 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.320 So relationships are challenging that matter. But I've got to ask a question. 477 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.719 And it's not the only reason why I'm asking this question is because our 478 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.760 audience is going to be wondering and asking me to ask you this question. 479 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.800 I could feel the energy coming through already, right, What would you say 480 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.519 to people that believe that, like you just mentioned, your husband missed the 481 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.960 mark while he was here, and yet now he is a much better husban 482 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.079 after he's passed. There might be people who would say, well, wonder 483 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.199 if this is just wish fulfillment, Like he wasn't as good now, so 484 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:13.400 now you're kind of imagining that your husband is back in a better form. 485 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.920 What would you say to people that would would claim that that perhaps is what's 486 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:24.360 happening. Well, first of all, if you're having these experiences in spite 487 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.000 of your cause, it's normal to doubt and I did. I doubted things, 488 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.360 but there was so much proof that started happening, things like like my 489 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.480 phone. Like I'd be lying in bed, not able to sleep. My 490 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.599 phone would be, you know, on my bedside table, face down, 491 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:45.119 and all of a sudden I get a call and I look and it's my 492 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.280 friend who lives in Kentucky. I'm in Honolulu. So it's you know, 493 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.119 a big time difference, right. She goes, did you just call me? 494 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.559 And I go, what are you talking about? She's on her message 495 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:53.840 to text, you know, she said, did you call me? I 496 00:35:53.920 --> 00:36:00.199 go, no, I and she says, you just called me? What 497 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.800 are you talking about? He had called her on my phone with my phone, 498 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.280 all right, and because I was lying there and I was upset about 499 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.000 something, and she she's a medium, so she said, okay. He's 500 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.559 saying I'm half a sleep, but he's saying, not to worry about it. 501 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.280 You and I pat you and I will talk about tomorrow. I'll talk 502 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.480 to him. I'll talk to you tomorrow. But he says, not to 503 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.760 worry about it, and look at your phone. And I looked and my 504 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:29.280 phone did call. I didn't touch it, but you know, it shows 505 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.239 right that you called out. He called it rang for exactly one minute and 506 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.280 that was it, and she didn't pick it up in time because she was 507 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.480 waking up. So I've had that and so many other experiences like I was 508 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:46.440 on a zoom call and I started I started connecting with him and we're talking 509 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:52.199 about something actually, something about supernatural sex we talk about in our book. 510 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.159 And I'm talking like I'm talking to you right, and you know this. 511 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.039 I don't have a virtual screen. This is my living room. This was 512 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.320 my screen, right, I'm talking with four other people. All of a 513 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:07.000 sudden, as we're talking about supernatural sex, this fireworks went off by fire 514 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.079 virtual fireworks a video. Okay, I don't have a fireworks video on my 515 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:19.480 computer. I didn't have a virtual screen going. I had this a real 516 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.599 life living room behind me, right. So everybody was like, oh my 517 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:29.280 god, I've had those kind of things over and over come on. I 518 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:34.920 can't make that up. And I've been in this business for too long. 519 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.760 You cannot imagine this, you know, it's just not possible. They're sending 520 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.559 songs to people like like he would wake up my friend, my same friend 521 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.079 and go, it's mother's dad. I want you to get want you to 522 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:51.960 find songs to give to PIM and then she'd go look for songs and she'd 523 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.880 say, Okay, he wants you to have this song and that song. 524 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:59.079 They're doing all kinds of things. This is real and the people are having 525 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.599 the experiences. Know it, Okay, you can't just make it up. 526 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.119 I trust me. I know people that want to have this, Okay, 527 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.320 if you're talking about wish fulfillment and they're not getting it because, like I 528 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:15.039 said, the other side has to learn how to come through and they have 529 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.400 to believe. So it's not just that because otherwise everybody'd be having this. 530 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.760 Okay, more people be having it, but they're not because you have to 531 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.519 at least be open to the idea and the love one on the other side 532 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.440 has to learn how to project. And yeah, Alice says, they're not 533 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.159 going to really try to learn if we're not open, because what's the point. 534 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.159 The person in a body just could be freaked out, right, like 535 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:44.400 what the heck is that you know? And they know that they can tell, 536 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.239 so they don't want to upset anybody. But if they feel that they're 537 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.920 open to it, and if maybe this was part of the sole plan, 538 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:58.920 you know, because as you probably know. People make soul plans before they 539 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.199 come, so I think for a lot of these people that was part of 540 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:06.000 their pre birth plan. Yes, I'm going to leave early. Especially with 541 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.239 these couples like have children, the father does come through and say I want 542 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.800 to still be a parent to my sons or and my daughters, you know, 543 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.440 I want to still be involved. And I've worked with people. I've 544 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.199 worked with a teenager whose mother is a good friend of mine and she had 545 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.280 a session with me, and the daughter is very psychic, and the father 546 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.119 had just died of als and she could feel him and I led her through 547 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.039 connecting to him, because that's one of the sessions I do. I help 548 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.800 people make direct contact, you know, on a one on one session, 549 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.320 and she connected with her dad and she said, I know he's always going 550 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.400 to be with me. I can talk to him, I hear him. 551 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:49.199 And so her grief is not what somebody else would feel, right because she 552 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.199 knows that her dad's always going to be a round her and she has access 553 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:59.079 to him, and so she was fine, like after that losing her she 554 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:04.360 hasn't lost her death. And it's it's very healing, you know, for 555 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:08.239 people to have this and so yeah, I think you're going to hear more 556 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:14.400 of it as people start to come forward and say, yummy too, I 557 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.239 had that. I had, that happened to me. Now you get the 558 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:23.440 Supernatural Academy, which you train people how to connect with their loved ones across 559 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:29.360 the veil and have these relationships with them and things like that. Is it 560 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:35.239 strictly for romantic relationships or can you anybody can join? I have actually people, 561 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.719 I would say ten percent maybe of people in my academy are spiritual seekers 562 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.719 because I've been I've been in this business for thirty seven years and I had 563 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:49.280 I teach reiki, I've taught psychic development, so I have a lot of 564 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:54.320 clients students Allen did too. So I have several people in our academy who 565 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.280 still have loved ones who are still here, a partner's still here. So 566 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.239 they just want to evolve, they grow spiritually. And some of them even 567 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.360 tell me, I'm so happy I'm in this academy because if my husband or 568 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.119 wife dies, I'll be good to go, like I'll know how to connect, 569 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.559 like I'm not afraid to death, you know. I had several people 570 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:21.519 tell me that, So it's really for anyone who's interested in really spiritually evolving, 571 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:23.079 you know, because this is what I'm actually teaching. It's not just 572 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:28.960 psychic development. They have to I'm helping them let go of their limiting beliefs. 573 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.599 So I do healing, healings in the in the sessions too, tell 574 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:39.000 people with physical and issues as well as spiritual because my interest has always been 575 00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:44.400 healing as well as you know, spiritual development. Earlier on, you mentioned 576 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.639 the book that you wrote. Yeah, you so you wrote it along with 577 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.159 Alan, and you called it Supernatural Love, a True Story of Life and 578 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:57.480 Love after Death. That is a very intriguing title. That's really pretty easy. 579 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.199 So you mentioned that Alan wrote it with you, and then you also 580 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:07.760 said in our pre interview communications that Alan and you work to train people how 581 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.679 to do these things. Alan on one side, do you on the other 582 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.039 Does that mean that he on the other side helps others that have passed connect 583 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:21.639 with the physical ones that are here. Yes. We've actually had two students 584 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.920 who went to mediums who were told by the medium. Oh, I see 585 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:29.320 that you're in a class, but you know what, so is your husband 586 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.480 At the same time, what's kind of like, what's with that? And 587 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.719 so they've got confirmation that their loved ones are a meeting in the spirit world 588 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.800 at the same time with Alan, you know, and and learning you're like 589 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.119 alongside of us at least that's that's what he says. So so cool. 590 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.760 I know he told me this when he first came back to me. He 591 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.159 says, I'm going to help spirits on the other side come through the veil 592 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.320 because they need help. And I said, really, I had I didn't 593 00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.920 know that. I thought he was making it up. He goes now, 594 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.880 and he led me to a book and unfortuately, I can't remember the book 595 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.159 and a look book that I had, and I looked on the page and 596 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.320 this meeting was saying, yes, there are spirits on the other side who 597 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.320 help other spirits learn how to project themselves through the veil because a lot of 598 00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.360 them don't know how to do that, but they want to learn, right, 599 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:21.800 And so he says, see, I told you, I can't wait 600 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.639 to watch the TV show. You know, someone's writing it up right now. 601 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.480 That's been incredible. That's we could call it Supernatural Ghost Training School or 602 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:36.360 something like that. That's really that's a terrible title, though it's a working 603 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.920 title. Okay, give me time. Working title, maybe maybe a bad 604 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.320 working title. But how about the Supernatural Love Academy. Well, yeah, 605 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:53.920 well has no boundaries, right right. I think I might have heard that 606 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:59.800 before somewhere I'm not gonna have all right, So this is this is amazing 607 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.280 and something I hope that more and more people hear about because love doesn't have 608 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:09.400 to end with death. And that's that's the underlying story here that people aren't 609 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.280 really paying attention. Karen and I talk about all the time about you know, 610 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.280 life after life, we'll find each other. Well, we never have 611 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.239 to lose each other, Karen. We're going to be connected forever. Actually, 612 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.760 haven't. You can't lose each other. That's the thing that we're trying 613 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.360 to get across. You can't lose anyone because the connections you have, the 614 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.239 love you share that's eternal you build, those bonds are never severed. And 615 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:37.480 I really think what's happening is the result of humanity's consciousness is rising. Although 616 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.760 you might think it's all going you know, to help, right, right, 617 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.440 But really what's happening is we're rising up and so and so more people 618 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:51.760 are becoming more sensitive and the other side is getting stronger and so I think 619 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.679 you're going to hear about more interaction. That's what Allen said, because the 620 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:01.760 other side really wants to come through and there concerned about us, and the 621 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.440 other side has always been involved in humankind's development. That's why people get inspired 622 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.480 ideas and inventions, et cetera. It's not like we're so smart. Come 623 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.239 on, we're not. You know, we just know what we already know. 624 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.679 Right. The brain only regurgitates the inspired thought comes from the other side, 625 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:27.719 and the other side has always been downloading us with new insights when we're 626 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.039 ready, and certain people will take action and some won't write. So I 627 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:36.239 think that's what we're seeing playing out. And I predict in about a year 628 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.960 that you're going to hear more of this and people will speak up. And 629 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:45.679 I hope so because it will alleviate a lot of grief for people, and 630 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.840 you know, and help them grow spiritually, because our loved ones want to 631 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.840 help us become all that we are, because they are now all that they 632 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.719 really are, and so they say, you know, the ultimate thing is 633 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:00.960 to be who you really they are while you're still in a body and not 634 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:07.719 have to wait to die to wake up. And also will now you know 635 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:13.119 you can run, but you can't. Well, something just occurred to me, 636 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.920 someone like Liz Taylor who had like seventeen husbands and walked away, like 637 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:22.639 are they are they like a supernatural lovemorate? I know she could have a 638 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:28.280 harem over there right on right? It does not sound so bad. I 639 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:34.760 mean, you know that sends polyamory to a whole new level. That's amazing. 640 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.880 Well, Pam, if someone wanted to reach out or become part of 641 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.280 the academy, or join your Facebook group, or wanted to know more about 642 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.639 all this, what's the best way for someone to reach out to you? 643 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.679 Okay, well, you know you's go to our website, Supernaturallove dot com. 644 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.320 You know, easy to remember, Supernatural Love with two l's. But 645 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.880 what I really would like people to do is come look us up on YouTube 646 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.840 because we are teaching live on YouTube now every Saturday, and our channel is 647 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:07.719 Supernatural Love with Pam and Allan Johnson and my YouTube panel is at Pamela Johnson. 648 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.239 So you have no excuse not to find us. And we decided since 649 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.039 nobody's talking about this right that we're going to take it to the world and 650 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.880 get on YouTube. So we just started our first live stream this past Saturday. 651 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.519 I was teaching live in my group. But again it's for partners and 652 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.119 spouses, right, so it's not for everybody. It's private. And Alice 653 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.119 said, you got to start talking to the world because nobody's hearing about this, 654 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.880 you know. So I said, all right, I'm ready, gulp, 655 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.280 you know, and so I'm We're taking it to YouTube, and we 656 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:42.719 did it last week. Had a blast. You know. We had a 657 00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.559 lot of our members there in the chat and they were loving it. And 658 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.840 so they're say, I'm going to go back and watch this video over and 659 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.960 over because I'd led them to how to simple steps to do communication. I 660 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:59.920 do a lot of I'm into practical how to things and that's what we did, 661 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.199 you know, on our channel, and I do meditations and everything. 662 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.079 So but if you want to go deeper, need more support and really interact 663 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.840 with me, because I'll interact with them. We'll do like many readings with 664 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.960 people, coaching, you know, with people. That's in our academy. 665 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.639 So at the academy you can find it on our website. But if you 666 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.880 want to just experience what we do, get a taste of it, go 667 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.360 to our YouTube channel. Okay, and that would be that sounds. We're 668 00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:29.800 going to add direct links to your YouTube channel, to your website to all 669 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.199 that stuff directly on our show notes. So if you want to go to 670 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.360 Skeptic Metaphysition dot com, go to Pam's episode page, you're going to see 671 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.119 all those links laid in there directly, so it's easy for you to find 672 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:44.280 them one stop shop. Pam. This has been fascinating. It has been 673 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.800 an absolute pleasure. You are a love, you are a joy to be 674 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.039 surrounded with, and it's got to be the love that you have with Alan 675 00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.039 that's kind of shining through. So my head is off to you. Thank 676 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:59.320 you for helping to share this message, which is so important because this could 677 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:06.119 truly revolutionize how we see love and life after love. I hope. So 678 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.440 my husband said he wanted to prove that we're immortal. That was a small 679 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.079 little goal, right, I just want to prove to the world that we're 680 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.280 really immortal. Oh yeah, that's it. That's just a little throwaway goal. 681 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.920 Yeah, just one day's work. That's all right. Well, we 682 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.239 hope that we've done just one step closer to make that goal happen for Alan. 683 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.119 So once again, thank you so much for coming on. Please give 684 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.079 Alan our best and we hope we see you again soon. And a huge 685 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:37.119 thank you to you. We know that there are tons of options out there 686 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.639 and having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is 687 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:44.760 an absolute honor for us. If you know someone who would benefit from hearing 688 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.280 the message we're sharing on the show, do them and us a favor and 689 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.559 share the show with them. It will help get the word out about us 690 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.760 and it might just change someone's life for the better. Well that's all for 691 00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.639 now. We will see you on the next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician. 692 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:00.599 Until then, take care,