WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.200 You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:12.880 Christ Show. Hi Jesus. I'm a grateful believer and I love your show. 3 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:15.880 Oh thanks, Jeff, I appreciate you listening. How can I help 4 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:22.719 you? Well, I'm going to get my emotions under control here. I 5 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:30.480 was divorced about twenty years ago and didn't have much contact with my kids. 6 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:39.119 Basically was an addict, and now I'm not. And I'm trying to talk 7 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:45.799 to my kids about you, and I think they don't want to listen to 8 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:51.960 it because of a messenger, okay, And I just want to hear what 9 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.439 you have to say about it, or ask me questions about it, or 10 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.520 just come and get my head on straight around it. Well, I hear. 11 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:03.959 I get phone calls and emails of all kinds from people in situations where 12 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:07.280 they're going I really want to share Christ, but for reason x Y and 13 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:14.040 Z, I can't because of something I did or the place I'm at. 14 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.400 And that may be the case that you're looking at. You may be the 15 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:23.719 worst person to bring that information to them, And the best way to bring 16 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.280 that information to them is not from the hole in your face, but from 17 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:33.840 the thing that beats within your chest, and that is to act in a 18 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:42.159 way and let them see the experience that you have and not just try to 19 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:48.599 proselytize. It's very difficult, especially somebody who's been through the ringer like you 20 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.000 have, and has gone through addiction and gone through these types of things and 21 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.879 a divorce and you haven't seen them for a long time. They're going to 22 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.120 look at you and say, who are you? And why should I trust 23 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.159 you? And why would I hear this from you? And and don't tell 24 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:10.759 me about living a good life or about focusing in on God. They they 25 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.360 that you don't have that place in their life yet, And I think it's 26 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.280 best just to be living in a way that is is an example. Then, 27 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.919 yeah, sometimes taking we're talking about, you know, taking the shortcuts 28 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.039 or not having consequences. Sometimes talking about things becomes this simple way and the 29 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.000 obvious way and the easy way, rather than living in a way that asks 30 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.719 that promotes people to ask you about why you're living the way you are. 31 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.599 You understand the difference there. It's you know, one thing to say, 32 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:45.800 hey, do this, and it's another thing to do it and have people 33 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.520 go, wow, why do you do that? Why do you do it 34 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:53.479 that way? And it's I mean, look at the way. You know, 35 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:59.719 you watch a golf and these shows on on the weekends or these infomercials 36 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.159 about golf swings, and do this with a golf swing. Do that with 37 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:07.199 a golf swing. You will find men that will parse and vet every nook 38 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:12.919 and cranny of a golf swing because they see the results of that golf swing. 39 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.520 Nobody wants to know how to do a really bad golf swing. Wow, 40 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.199 you really you knocked that into the you know, the beach there, 41 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:21.520 so I want to find out how you did it. No, it's not, 42 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:29.159 it's not about that. It's about wanting to replicate success or replicate something 43 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.840 that you see to be of value and in life. That works the same 44 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:37.879 way as well. If you're doing something that people see that is valuable and 45 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.840 healthy and efficient and loving and all these things, they're going to ask you 46 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.080 naturally. But sometimes believers think, oh, it's easier, I want to 47 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.039 do it just this way, and I'm going to shove it down their throat 48 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.599 or I'm gonna, you know, just preach to them. And it's not 49 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:58.520 that you know that doesn't have value to to express verbally. But I think 50 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.759 in this particular case, there's way they're going to receive that from you. 51 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.240 In that way. It's going to be too be too simple. It's not 52 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:10.520 going to have the weight or the value of just seeing you and your life 53 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:15.879 turned around and you loving on them and doing your best to be in their 54 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.800 life in a way that's healthy. They're going to be out of the country 55 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:29.000 for two years now and I won't be able to see him, and I 56 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.120 don't know how they're going to see the change in me. Well, there's 57 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:33.959 nothing. While I was saying, you know what, I know, we 58 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.160 don't have a whole lot of time together. I know you're going to be 59 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:41.959 out of town, and you know, forgive my zeal, but I want 60 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.360 so much for you to see the things that have helped me change, change 61 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.199 and grow. And I know you're not going to be able to see that. 62 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.920 And if you know, if I get so excited about it, forgive 63 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.720 me. But understand that I've been through a lot and that I've missed a 64 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:00.319 lot, and so I feel like I'm trying to cover ground. But just 65 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.800 know that that's where it comes from. It comes from a place of excitement 66 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:11.240 and a desire to connect and and so when I share these things with you, 67 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.120 it's it's not a shortcut. It's just to kind of bringing up to 68 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.560 speed at where I am in my life and the things that have really helped 69 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:23.879 me. And I feel like I haven't been able to impart a lot during 70 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:30.319 under the circumstances. And and this is this may seem like it's, you 71 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:31.639 know, a lot to consume right now, but I feel like I've been 72 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:34.720 out of the loop for a while. And I think feel like I haven't 73 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.759 been in your life in the way I like to, or I haven't been 74 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:42.199 able to teach you or to show you these things. And and I I, 75 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.480 you know, I don't have gold, I don't have silver, I 76 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.000 don't have any of these things necessarily to give you. But what I do 77 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.959 have is this, And on your on your trip for the next two years, 78 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.360 if you can take this with you, whether whether it's a Bible or 79 00:05:54.439 --> 00:06:00.000 whether it's just that notion that at least you've planted that seed. I get 80 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.319 that I do, but you're not going to do it all in one. 81 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:08.480 If it was that easy, it wouldn't have any value. Yeah, it's 82 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.680 not an amulet, you know, it's not some magic water you're going to 83 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.800 give them. It's not a necklace, it's not there's it's nothing like that. 84 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.639 It's not the kind of it's not the way this gift is passed on. 85 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:25.240 It's really about you know, experiencing in them, seeing that that difference 86 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.079 in you. It's okay to talk about it, just don't make that. 87 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.759 You know, people always look Jeff for that right word, as if you 88 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:36.319 know that right word is going to get them saved. And it's not about 89 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:41.360 that right word. It's about being available when they have the questions. It's 90 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:46.279 about being honest and open and not being ashamed of your faith. But you 91 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.600 know, if you if you crammed food down their throat, they they'd vomit 92 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:54.800 it up as well. So it's you know, and so would you. 93 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.120 You know, people came to you before, people try to teach you things 94 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:00.360 and show you things, and you had to do it in your own time, 95 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.800 right when you're ready, as do they so plant the seed. Scripture 96 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:11.439 says that that there are many participants in that. There's the person who plants 97 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.639 the seed. There's a person who plows the field, there's a person who 98 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.959 waters. There's all that and that's going to happen. You have to trust 99 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.160 God for those things. That's where your faith comes in as well, to 100 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.600 know that you can just plant that little seed and that they can go, 101 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:28.720 you know, away for two years, go away for twenty years. It 102 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.360 doesn't matter. God's still there. God hasn't fallen off his throne. And 103 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.959 worry about just the planting of the little seed, not trying to grow a 104 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:44.199 tree instantaneously. That's just not the way it works. Matt, Welcome to 105 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.560 the Jesus Christ Show. Hey, Jesus, how you imagine? Good? 106 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.759 How you doing? Excellent? Sir? What's going on? I just got 107 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:59.720 a quick question, theology question. I'm Catholic. My family was some of 108 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.519 themes to our catholic A lot of them went to the Evangelist movement or whatever 109 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.120 you want to call it now, and they they, you know where it's 110 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.439 very followed just the scripture, the Word of God, and that's what it 111 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.360 is. Nothing wrong with that and a lot of respects. I like it. 112 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:22.240 My question is is from what I understand at least and the church history, 113 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.279 is that the pope sometime in the fourth century or so, actually compiled 114 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.639 the Bible. And I guess or compiled the books that we know today that 115 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:37.320 are in the Bible. And my biggest struggle with maybe possibly either going over 116 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.519 to that church with my parents, The biggest struggle I have is if the 117 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.840 Pope compiled those books and chose what's in it, and they so outright least 118 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:52.720 speak, you know, against the Catholic Church, why it just seems kind 119 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.360 of ironic to me when the book that they consider the Word of God, 120 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.480 which it is, you know, was compiled by the pope speak. I 121 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:05.039 just need more clarification to try to understand it myself. Well, talking about 122 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.080 unfortunately, to go through, you know, and parse all the specifics of 123 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.840 history is kind of outside the scope of the time that we have. But 124 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.440 I do want you to understand that's it's not a fair statement to say that 125 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:22.600 the Pope put together the Bible, right that what takes place is there are 126 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.759 councils that do take place. There are groups where they come to ecumenical councils, 127 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.320 and there are groups that come together to make decisions based on certain things 128 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.840 about scripture. But the scripture itself was already pretty much because of its usage 129 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.240 and the context of its usage, determined and canonized. Canon just means like 130 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.919 measuring rod, like a measuring read. So it's it's saying this is the 131 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:52.440 measure of God. This is that this has shown itself or proven itself to 132 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.200 be the word of God. Now there's disputes between the Catholic Church and the 133 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.039 Protestant Church as to certain books that would be you referred to as apocryphal books. 134 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:07.679 Now those books aren't damaging necessarily and that they're just not seen as scripture 135 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:15.120 so by some. So the battle that takes place there is really dealing with 136 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.360 an understanding of how the Bible came to be. It wasn't that some guy 137 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.960 sat there and said this is what I determined to be. It's not one 138 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:31.159 person's job. Also, going back, it's very easy for the Catholic Church 139 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.799 to say, well, this was the Catholic Church, when really Catholic means 140 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.840 universal and at the time, it wasn't talking about necessarily the structure of the 141 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:43.039 Catholic Church as you know it today. It's talking about the early Church because 142 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:50.559 until the Reformation, it's just the Church. So it's kind of hard to 143 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.799 say, well, the Protestants weren't a part of that. You know, 144 00:10:54.000 --> 00:11:01.480 technically they were, because the Protestants means Protestants came from the first Church as 145 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.919 well. So the branching off of that came from disagreements as to the way 146 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.360 the structure of the church was the path that the church was going, and 147 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:16.080 some disagreements there, but the essentials always remained, which is the most important. 148 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.559 And also to look at the fact that the decision making wasn't just done 149 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.840 by one particular person. Throughout the centuries, there have been people that have 150 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.440 tried to add things and subtract things. And the key to the canonization, 151 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.960 and the most important part of it was to determine that nothing was to be 152 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.799 added at this point, that all the revelation that was to be given by 153 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:43.080 God has already been given. That way that people don't start writing things into 154 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.200 it and putting new things into it and modifying. And there are new testaments 155 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.600 that other groups that people would refer to as non Christian cults add to the 156 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.559 scriptures, and there's new covenants and new things like that, but the scripture 157 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.679 it was decided as these groups. Nothing changes throughout history. You'll be happy 158 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.960 to note that the same craziness that goes on today, when you know a 159 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.399 thousand years ago two thousand years ago, you had groups. Even when you 160 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.679 read through scripture, you read through the epistles, and you see the Church 161 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.039 at Corinth, the Church at Ephesus, and they had these major problems at 162 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.279 the time. They was all kinds of craziness going on, and so a 163 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:30.240 lot of times these groups would come together to reinforce the belief for the understanding 164 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.279 that had been the universal belief or understanding. And now that a group comes 165 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.639 in they start teaching something else, they'd come together and say, no, 166 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.120 we still all agree this is the way things should be. Let's weed out 167 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.480 this particular problem. And that's when they would get together on these councils as 168 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.759 well, to kind of decide, well, it's getting crazy out there. 169 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.159 People are starting to say this and teach this, and that's not what we 170 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.159 all believe correct, And it would be ecumenical in the sense that it would 171 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.559 be the entirety of the best representatives possible to come together and say, no, 172 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.840 this is what we've always believed. This has always been the tradition. 173 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:13.759 We continue to push forward on that. But to say that the Pope canon 174 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:20.679 I Scripture is not a fair statement, Laurie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ 175 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.919 Show. Hello Jesus, thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. 176 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.679 How can I help you? Well? I hear people talking about surviving horrible 177 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:33.600 situations where they say they just believe in God and put their faith in God. 178 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.360 And I do that too, but I'm having trouble dealing with issues that 179 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.320 someone can be blessed by God and a follower of Jesus and still get cancer, 180 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.720 especially like if they have young children. I know several people in this 181 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:50.200 situation now, and they're no less a believer than I am. And I 182 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:54.879 pray every day I will not be tested in this way. And I why 183 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.360 why would you pray that when Scripture says you will be tested that way? 184 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.919 Scripture says, well, that you should rejoice in your trials because that's where 185 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:09.799 God is seen. You're not going to walk through life in perfection. You're 186 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.639 told at the very beginning of life that it will end. That's temporary and 187 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:20.240 there's no guarantee. No, I understand that. I think the part that 188 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.519 I see is that when I we've got a situation. We have a friend 189 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:31.120 that has two little children and she was just diagnosed with stage four cancer and 190 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.360 we're talking, you know, not a lot of time, and I just 191 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.279 don't understand with two little kids that this is. I guess I'm just having 192 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.039 trouble with that. Of course, it's it's normal to worry, worry, 193 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.320 and be frustrated with the things of this world. It is, and to 194 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.360 see children like that put in a situation. But you only have, you 195 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.320 know, two choices there. You know, to live life in the that 196 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.720 is given to you, regardless of what that is good, bad or otherwise, 197 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.039 or not to live at all and refrain from having children because you might 198 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:13.200 get sick or and these types of things, and both have their their pluses 199 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.600 and minuses. So in this situation, if you look at scripture over and 200 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.360 over, it says be not afraid in one way or another. Be not 201 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:28.440 afraid of the one who can kill the flesh, be afraid of the one 202 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.840 that could kill the spirit. It's never been about this life. This life 203 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.200 is only a preparation and an understanding for the life to come. So there's 204 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.600 going to be cancer, not because God created it and God wants it, 205 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:48.639 but because in this world there are the options of those things in the you 206 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:54.840 know, whether it be pollution and things that are put into the atmosphere, 207 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:00.559 whether it be genetic problems, whether it be whatever that brings someone to that 208 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.759 particular place in their life, you have to understand that the glory of God 209 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.320 can still come from that situation. And that's what it's about, not being 210 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.320 in it, you know, having the life you expected you were going to 211 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.320 have or for the length of time. And I think if you get it 212 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.720 in that mindset, get in that mindset of going, well, we're going 213 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:29.399 to live ninety years and we're going to be healthy for those ninety years, 214 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.679 and that's just not no. I understand that a legitimate way to think. 215 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:38.559 Yeah, no, And I don't think that way is it pertains to me 216 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.360 And I think it's just I think it's throwing the little kids into the mix 217 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:48.240 that always, you know, kind of sets me apart on that that. 218 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.399 I don't know, I just have a harder time. I have a harder 219 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:57.360 time with that, of course, but it's the quality as well. I've 220 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.879 had people call up who lost the children, and would do you think for 221 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:07.359 one second that a parent whose child dies at the age of two or five 222 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.279 thinks that that child was less important or less valuable because of the length of 223 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:18.599 their life. So it's really not the length of life, it's it's what 224 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:23.440 it's your experience and the quality of interacting with one another and and creating those 225 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:29.440 relationships. And there are there are parents that will live to eighty that aren't 226 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:34.240 going to be one modicum of the parent that your friend has been and the 227 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:41.720 life that they have. So there's is it is it horribly sad situation, 228 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:49.680 Absolutely, And I know that that is something that is a battle with believers. 229 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.200 And you see, you know, you see like somebody driving in a 230 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.559 beat up old car that's falling apart and there's a bumper stick on the back 231 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.839 that says the Lord provides, and you go, wow, provides what to 232 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:07.759 whom? And and I know that that becomes this this kind of dichotomy of 233 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.440 you know how you're supposed to say that it's a blessing, but really, 234 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:15.480 if you think about the word blessing when people pray, it's it shouldn't be 235 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.680 this is what I want God. It should be for understanding for what you 236 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:26.440 have and and and really that kind of infusion of God into this situation becomes 237 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:32.400 the important part. Let me do this gracefully, let me do this with 238 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.960 dignity, Let me do this in a way that glorifies you God. That's 239 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:40.559 where you're at it this point. If God chooses in his infinite wisdom to 240 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:45.680 reach into the situation and heal, hallelujah. And if he doesn't, hallelujah. 241 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:51.039 Because all of that glory should be given to God. And this is 242 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.119 where the community of Christ should come together and take care of those children and 243 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:00.440 and help that. You know it's and that and God's glory will be seen 244 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.039 in that. But you certainly wouldn't say that you know all is lost for 245 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:11.880 these children. It's a horribly sad situation. These children God's will be done, 246 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.960 will grow through it, and it will be a part of who they 247 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:21.200 are in a way that gives them understanding and a deep understanding of the temporary 248 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.079 nature of life in this world. And that will give them the strength to 249 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.400 push forward and do things in a manner that they may not have before. 250 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.319 There's all kinds of things that will go on. But does it stink absolutely 251 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.319 on its face, it stinks to live in this world that is not covered 252 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:42.119 in nerve, that has sharp edges, that people die in, that people 253 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:48.160 get hurt in. But that is to help understand the preciousness and the value 254 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:53.079 of life. And that's for Christians as well. You don't get a pass. 255 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.960 It doesn't change how life will be or what happens to you. It 256 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:03.440 should change how you perceive it and how you go through it, but it 257 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.240 won't change that you'll go through it or won't go through it. Okay, 258 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.640 thank you very much. You're welcome, Laurie, and we will be praying 259 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:17.880 for you and the families involved. And it's one of those things where Christians 260 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.279 often look around and say, hey, you know I believe I have faith. 261 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.079 I've been on my knees, I have you know, holes worn in 262 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.799 the carpet next to my bed, and bad things still happen. It's not 263 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:36.599 about avoiding those things. You're going to have those things in life. Life 264 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:41.440 will be difficult, you will have trials Christian and non Christian alike. Period. 265 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:51.160 It says in scripture in Matthew that the that the sun will rise and 266 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:59.240 set, and it will rain and have sun on the righteous and the unrighteous. 267 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:06.480 And what Matthew five forty three and forty five is saying there is that 268 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:08.359 you know what good things and bad things. Good things will happen to bad 269 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:12.440 people and bad things will happen to the good. That's just the way it's 270 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:21.440 going to happen in this world. God gives you armor, but that spiritual 271 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.920 armor to deal with the spiritual things that come at you. And those spiritual 272 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:29.119 things are that in times of trials and weakness and frustration and sadness, that 273 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:33.319 the enemy wants to sit there and go where is your God. One of 274 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:38.519 the most beautiful scenes, the most powerful scenes in mel Gibson's Betrayal of the 275 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:48.119 last twelve hours or so of My Life was his interpretation of what took place 276 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:57.160 in the garden of Gasemine where I'm alone and I'm praying. And it doesn't 277 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.680 say this in scripture, but I think it was a legitimate, a legitimate 278 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:08.880 use of what could have been going on there as someone who has vision as 279 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:17.400 a director, and it shows the enemy kind of walking around me or pacing 280 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:26.960 like a tiger ready to pounce, and this kind of ambiguous creature male female, 281 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:33.319 you don't really know, kind of beautiful kind of repelling is the enemy 282 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:40.559 saying you can't do this alone. He should never put this on you. 283 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:45.880 It's too much for one person saying those doubts, putting those doubts, trying 284 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:52.640 to infuse my head with those things from the pit hell. And the enemy 285 00:22:52.640 --> 00:23:00.519 does the same thing to you when you are at your weakest. The enemy 286 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.680 wants to sit there and do a dance and say, see where is your 287 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.599 God? Now? They said it to me when I was on the cross. 288 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:14.039 It's implied that it's said to me throughout temptation. They're going to say 289 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.400 it to you. The glory of God comes not from a miraculous healing, 290 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.599 which is a human thing. That's what the humans want. The glory of 291 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.279 God is when man goes through things that are inherently scary, frustrating, sad, 292 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.559 frightening, and does it with the poise and the grace of someone that 293 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:44.640 can only only have that strength and ability if they knew God. Bonnie, 294 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.480 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Yes, Hi, Bonnie, Hi. 295 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:52.240 I was listening to one of your last callers that said that her face had 296 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.799 been a little bit shaken because she had friends that were young and dying or 297 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.480 thought they might be dying of cancer and couldn't understand why God would do that, 298 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:07.160 And I was I just had to call because I know one reason is 299 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.599 that when a person of faith like that. That is how I came to 300 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.920 know Jesus Christ through a young woman who had two young children, everything to 301 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:22.880 live for, and she was literally dying of cancer. And through her I 302 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:29.359 saw a faith and a trust. She was happier than anybody I knew that 303 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.680 had everything going for them. And I watched her carefully. I couldn't believe 304 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:41.160 this what I just she was set apart. And I watched her and what 305 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.960 I began to go to a Bible study that she actually would give you. 306 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:49.200 She would be in the hospital for a week and she'd get out for two 307 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:55.359 hours to come and teach a Bible study. And she asked me to go, 308 00:24:55.599 --> 00:25:00.359 and I went and began to understand what it was that she had the 309 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:07.200 faith in. It was something that I embraced, and for the woman that 310 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:15.519 was concerned, I also paid attention to what was what her heart's desire was. 311 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.200 That she knew she was dying, that she wanted God, and the 312 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.400 prayer was watch out for my husband and my two children, m and to 313 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.920 look over those that were they are going to be less, Yes, And 314 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:33.400 that was her only prayer and that request, and she I watched when she 315 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.000 died, and the most God took care of her husband and her children in 316 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:44.880 the most miraculous ways, and there was it just increased my faith. I 317 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.240 became a Christian. But even more importantly, I think they're probably were There 318 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.480 were probably about fifty more people that came to the Lord through that one woman. 319 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.720 We'll see there there's and and I thank you so much, Bonnie for 320 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:02.400 calling people. Don't understand that things do him from this and it is sad. 321 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:07.279 But you even remember Randy Pausch, Professor Pausch from the last lecture if 322 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.920 you haven't read the book, it's a lovely book and a tribute to a 323 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:14.400 man who loved his family very much and wanted them to know it even when 324 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.759 he passed. There is much that can be done in those last hours, 325 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:25.000 those last moments, and you can touch people. Randy Paush touched a world 326 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.559 who continued to read his book that was written due to the pain and the 327 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:37.599 suffering and the sadness and the frustrations that he went through. Don Welcome to 328 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.119 the Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, thank you for doing my call, 329 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.400 my pleasure. What's going on? Done well? I've always been curious about 330 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:53.880 God the Father in the sense of taking his deity to other cultures, not 331 00:26:53.960 --> 00:27:03.200 just through you, but to other cultures. Say, you know the Buddhists 332 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:10.400 and uh uh and the Vishnu. You know that that sort of thing as 333 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:18.359 well as the Native Americans does does does? Does he manifest himself you know, 334 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.720 to different cultures in different ways. Well, that's that. That's the 335 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.640 difference between motherhood and your mom. Your mom is your mom. You can't 336 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:34.200 repackage her. She is your your mother. And although other cultures have the 337 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:41.279 term for mom or mother, there is only one your mom, only one 338 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.279 mother of Dawn. So in a like sense, it's more likely because they 339 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.920 they aren't all the same. Even though some people can say, oh, 340 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.640 well, Buddha's a manifestation of this, or fish News a manifestation of that, 341 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.079 they don't jive. They don't have the same philosophy's beliefs. And in 342 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.559 every other walk of life you came by somebody who claimed to be someone or 343 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.200 something and they didn't have those same defining properties, you'd say it wasn't the 344 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.839 same person or thing. And so it's not just well, gosh, all 345 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:18.119 these different belief systems or cultures have an idea of God. It's what is 346 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.680 that idea of God that's important, and so they don't mesh. So to 347 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.279 say that they are all the same manifestation of the Father God in different areas 348 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:33.680 or cultures, it doesn't make sense because culture shouldn't be more powerful than God. 349 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.839 So a culture can't define God. God has to define the culture. 350 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:44.880 And if you come across these other manifestations for lack of a better term of 351 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.079 God, they still have to be defined as to what they are, just 352 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.559 like your mother would be defined by who she is. I if I was 353 00:28:52.599 --> 00:29:00.319 seeking God, I was raised Roman Catholic, if I was to you know, 354 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:10.839 to attempt to find you know, the Father through Buddhism. Buddhism is 355 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.400 completely different than the Christian God. Vishnu completely different from the Christian God. 356 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.160 And that's not to put a value on that. It's to say that, 357 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.119 well, one, this is the Jesus Christ show. If it was the 358 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.799 Vish New Show or the Buddhas show, I'm sure they'd be talking up their 359 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:30.640 beliefs. But ultimately that's to say there is a difference. There's an old 360 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.160 saying everyone can be wrong, but they can't all be right if they contradict 361 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:38.759 each other. There are contradictions inherently in all those belief systems that don't match 362 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:44.680 up. They are not interchangeable, and you can because of the freedom, 363 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.559 you can believe what you want. But keep in mind they are not interchangeable 364 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.359 and they do not all believe the same things. That's where problems arise. 365 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.960 KFI on Demand