All right, now, let's jump over to the Warner Brothers DC side.
So this came out from an article this week, and it's funny because this
was a few things we're talking about with Mickey seventeen. So there's like a
bunch of stuff here, But the main point of this argument or this article
was showing a bunch of their financials and things they've been up too recently,
and the theory was, are they doing this to create a nice, pretty
package? And some of the stuff I don't know why, like Yoger's two
budget that doesn't necessarily have pertaining to it, but the working theory that the
reason Hollywood Report was putting in these articles because other insiders in the business think
this might be happening, where they just signed a first look deal with marg
Margaret, Yeah, Margot Robbie's company which obviously Barbie Bike, but still with
her. We talked about a couple of weeks ago where Cruise now doesn't have
like a first look because he's still working with Paramount, but he has like,
uh, he's gonna do movies with Warner Brothers, which we'll talk about
in a second. And there's other things, right they're trying to get that
also came to this report that they're trying to get Tarantino's last movie, and
that makes sense with how we've heard these cruise rumors right where we heard he
might be in here, and now he's working Warner Brothers. So they're doing
all this and supposely there's lots of people that think that either they're doing this
because they're either gonna sell or there's gonna be a merger, and the biggest
one is Comcast NBC Universal is kind of like pegged, is like the person
that they've been talking with, because there's a certain thing that when you buy
a company, you can't sell for a certain amount of time. Well come
April, that time is up and they can now sell or merge if they
want to. So that's why all these moves people have been theorizing that they're
not trying to do to make war and whether they're stronger, they're doing it
in a way to make the package look prettier, to make more appealing.
And then also coming out in this report was Joker has gone from the first
movie being a sixty million budget to now two hundred million dollar budget. A
lot of that is like philps and walking are both getting paid twenty million,
Gaga's getting paid twelve. They have the musical sets, but still massive increase.
Mickey seventeen is coming out January thirty first next year, and we were
this way joined the discord because we were going back and forth of like,
does that mean they don't have faith or does that mean, oh, they're
gonna do like a limited awards released in December, which tons of movies do,
and then release wider later on The reason from this report that's getting that
really stateous because Warrener Brothers is apparently disappointed with it. And I'm not taking
that as that means a bad movie, but that just means that they're probably
not gonna give it a campaign, They're probably not gonna market that much.
They might just put it. We've talked about this before. January movies are
the ones that go out to die, so it sounds like they don't really
have much faith in that movie. And then the last point of this is
to double on the Tom Cruise thing. He joined because the purport was that
he wants to start working with tours again and do that type of stuff.
He's gonna be working with Alejandro in Urito. He did Birdman. He did
Revenant, so he's doing a film with him at Warner Brothers. So if
you already see now, I know there's another mission possible. But he's working
with Tarantino, rumor to be he's working with in Uri too. It does
seem like we're getting a path of him maybe not doing these action stuff and
trying to make a sort of a pivot. So and I guess the only
thing I'll say before I hand it off is this is why I'm very excited,
because it's very cool James Gunn is posting the cast for Superman and we're
getting the logo and all this stuff. But this is why I've said Vodka
and even Tress told you where I'm in a sense now where I need to
take this one film of time. I want to get to legacy. Because
the guy that's like the guy that hired you know, Zasloff, I got
hired James Gunn saying yeah, go do this stuff literally in a year,
could not be that guy anymore. So that's the same thing, like maybe
they get this new person, Universal gets DCU and they're like, oh,
we love James Gunn's plan, let's do this, or they look in this
and go, oh, this is dumb. Why do you have two Batman
movies? Why didn't you just do this? And stuff? So that's the
context in the geek world too, that all this kind of all the DC
has this you know, five year plan that could be kind of refuffled again.
So Tai Field, what do you think about Uh all that? Oh,
I mean, that's a lot of information. Makey seventeen. I do
have it in the notes, so if you clear, if you click on
that, it's all there. It's uh, mickey seventeen being shoved over to
the death zone. That's that's unfortunate because I was curious about this movie,
but that zone, I was curious. It's going to be bad. No,
that's where movie is going to die. Though, Travis says they do,
but that that just means, like what we're telling the discord word,
that just means Warner release window of Poor Things to me, which you asked
me top notch No, but Poor Things came out limited in December. That's
that's the thing. That's why because to get those no, no, no,
we don't know that. But as of right now, it's not it's
just we don't know. It's not but as of right now, it's just
a full on January thirty. First, you're coming out the same weekend as
like Night Swim, you know, like that sort of ship yeah dead movie,
Ah what nights for make Warner Brothers to be sold again? That's just
uh, that'd be like three times, and I think it's like five or
six years because it was Warner Bus, T and T bought them, then
zazz Off and Discovery bought them, and then this would be them being bought
by someone else in the life span of the podcast. Yes, absolutely,
the entire podcast, they've been bought three times. If this happens, Yeah,
that's just that's absolutely bonkers. Just to think this big, huge,
like conglomerate company just being like passed around and just used and abused and then
passed around again, like just brutal. So Night Swim made a nice forty
nine million in the box office, crushed Madam Web like crazy. I won't
saw that yet, but that's who would who would pick up Warner Brothers.
I don't know, like it would be It would be interesting to see if
a single man does it or you know, I gave you, I know,
I give you a lot of me. Sure, the pegged person is
universal, right now? Oh? Universal? Guess? Yeah? Right?
Okay, yeah, I think you know. I mean, look that portfolio
we got et, Jaws, Jurassic Park. Are those all universal movie?
Yeah? You're just throwing those all out. I don't think you know that's
for sure. The Granches universal, I'm pretty sure as well. Okay,
I'm pretty sure that they're universal. You can get Drastic World with DC characters
now, Drastic World yeah yeah, yeah, Fast and Furious with Batman.
Yeah, you never know. Transformers, I don't know if those are universe.
Yeah, it was listed at this point. Uh, then we got
yeah, Joker too has a two hundred million budgets and I was just joking
about the one six you go into Lady Gaga because it was forty million for
Joker one. But obviously this is going to be I'm assuming a much more
of a spectacle with the extra millions that in there, because it is a
goal. So we're going to be getting a little bit more of a I
mean, it's gonna be like more practical effects. Are they going to do
something more like a poor Things vibe? I feel like the Poor Things world
and aesthetic would actually work pretty good for this, this fully idea joker film.
I think you'll for sure get some scenes. I think people are just
very I get why it's budget. I get why it's blown up. It
won a bunch of oscars, became a billion dollar movie, you got them
back for a sequel, and they said, oh, it's just a one
off. But it is very interesting that it's still like ten to fifteen dollars
more expensive than Dune. Like that's that's crazy when you look at the Dune
trading fifteen dollars ten to fifteen million, Okay, yeah, pretty much tho
when we're talking those thirty five million budget so crazy. Yeah, So this
is purely like like, this is a lot of the back end, a
lot of like, well, we gotta got walking back for the so it's
like who knows how this does. But it's not like the first one where
it's like, oh, small budget, but even if it does just a
small amount, you made a profit. Now you're getting into like the bit
and you know the marketing campaign's gonna be huge too. So now you're getting
into like it's like an Avenders movie. Now I hate it. I hate
it. Oh, I hate it. I shouldn't care it's not my money.
I just I hate it. I don't know something, it's something stings
bad vibes. I had good vibes on mad webs. What do I know?
But something about it it's just ain't right. Mm hmm. You can
go down, you can go Kirk, did you address all your points that
you were gonna it was the three? The three, Tom Cruise, No
Tom Cruise too. What do you think about him maybe stopping doing some uh
some action stuff? Oh, you know, I mean the action is as
we name, As far as I'm concerned, He's just landing these action roles
like no Tomorrow, so let's put them in another action role. Now this
was a Tarantino project. No, casually that wouldn't be a huge deal that
he just kept going And I'm like, oh no, making uh pulp fiction
to Taylor, were moving coming back, Tom Cruise, dealing a Kirkland save
us? Where was it gonna go? What were we just talking about before?
Then? Oh? The Joker thing? Yeah, Like for me,
the budget increase, it does make sense just because like it's so much more
valuable the Joker being with with Joaquin as well as like the director, like
and we got lady Gatka, nowt and it's just those three. It's the
budget of the first movie just to get them, you know. So for
that reason, it does make sense. And I just think so many more
people are like, yeah, the Joker is a major character, but just
like what this is is so much different, so much more different than that,
And people that have just been affected by that first movie, Like I
know a lot of people that have seen that, They're like, that movie
just made me feel awful, and it's like, man, like that's that's
like the telling of a good story, because the story is awful, and
like if it makes you feel that way, like it, it leaves a
powerful impression. And I think a lot of people just kind of have that
so knowing that the second one see including Lady Gaga and more of a musical,
but it's still it's still the Joker, Like it still is going to
be a fucked up movie, I guarantee, just interesting, and so I
think the budget makes sense for that. For my notes here, Mickey seventeen,
I don't know, like I'm I don't think like, yeah, you
can bring up examples of movies that have gone to die in that slot,
but that doesn't really affect me too much. I don't know, really,
uh superstitious individual, maybe a little stitious, but not that much. So
I don't think too much about that. Sucks is being delayed because I was
really interested in just the whole pairing, especially having Pattinson in there with them,
cause it's the same lad that did Parasite, right yeah, Patterson,
Tony Collette, Mark Ruffalo, And I think there's someone else really good in
there too, some great names right there, so exciting Warner Brothers stuff.
I don't really, I don't know, I don't. I feel like I'm
just not never qualified enough to like speak on the whole business thing. It
is strange just seeing a major company like that just swapping hands, and especially
even just knowing that, like the runners right now are possibly just just i
don't know, beautifying the overall property to make it look more appealing. Like
to me, that's just such a strange way to run a business. I
know, business is all about just making those margins and like last year or
sorry, this year has to be so much better than last year for profits
and stuff. It's just it's a weird world to live in, I guess,
especially when it's like an entertainment thing. It's just it's just weird to
me. I don't know, I don't understand it. I'm not gonna try
and understand it. So I don't really have much to speak up on that
one. What was the other one? I think that's everything. Actually Tom
Cruise, Oh, Tom Cruise, Yeah, with Guarantino, going back to
his action roots. I love Tom Cruise in action roles, Like it's I
know what to expect when I see these action movies with Tom Cruise. So
if that's just taking a back burner to try something different, part of me
is definitely like it's a bit of a bummer. But who knows, maybe
it's gonna be like a different era of Tom Cruise's career. I know he's
done more serious roles in the past, you know as well to shut it.
Definitely not an action movie. That's how he started. He was not
an action guy, and that was the biggest knock because I'm not gonna be
that guy. But because like he is shorter, that was the biggest knock,
Like, oh, how's this guy. You're gonna be an action guy?
Right? He doesn't have the body of the physique and stuff, So
that was his career, and then he became top gun. We'll not really
top I don't get, but he came Mission impossible all those type of things
you know for sure, And like I, I don't think it's a like
if he pivots to a more dramatic role situation and like it. It just
it's amazing like that that that would be cool to just see that side of
his career expand. But at the same time, I'd be a little bit
disappointed if I'm missing out on these action roles. Doesn't necessarily say he's he's
never gonna do him again, but yeah, it's I I'm interested, but
I would definitely be a little bit remiss think he's about to be so he
can't be jumping off buildings and planes forever, you know, flying in the
air strapped to airplanes. Yeah, like he he also does action in these
action movies. So yeah, you're right, yeah, leave it there.
Okay, let's see Mickey. It's a tricky one, right, It's like
tricky Mickey, Tricky Mickey. Parasite one of the best movies of all time,
one of my favorite movies of all time. And it's like, I
don't know, if you do a movie like that the pressure must be so
fucking high to follow it up with something else, and especially switching over to
like huge famous Hollywood actors, like there's a lot of weight on his shoulder
to get this movie right. And so I don't know, there could be
some validity to it not being not be meeting their expectation. Oh yeah,
sure that could. I mean for me, I guess it's like I would
be shocked if this movie is better than Parasite for me. But obviously it's
like an incredibly high bar. So I'm not I don't need that. I'm
not gonna be disappointed if it's half as good as Paris, Like that's just
how good that movie is. Go back to our retro check out our our
thoughts on that. So I'm I'm bummed that it got moved, even not
even for the draft part, and I had it on my list. Yeah
whatever, I'm gonna lose some somebody. You didn't You didn't remember I gave
you the heads up that there were no I don't think. Then we have
this conversation in the discord that you said he still picked it. I warned
him, No, I thought I was saying good thing. I warned you.
Maybe maybe I'm wrong. Oh ship, I'll bring that up. Go
check it out. I thought I still picked it, but I could.
Oh you did at number four. Yeah, No, I was wrong about
that. Okay, hard enough drafts. It's all your face, your boasts.
I tried, and he stayed. Yeah. I'm more bummed about the
delay, just because it's a delay and now it's gonna take even longer for
his next movie and all this stuff. So that's where I'm more disappointed,
and for sure because that was like earlier in the year originally, and now
it's now it's getting here's supposed to be summer. It was supposed to be
like three months from now, and then now it's and then there was rumors,
oh they're doing it for the festival season, and then it's just now
January. It's like cool, Yeah, so we'll see what's what's gonna happen
there and hopefully, uh, hopefully it's good. Yeah. And then I
think the only one that I would want to touch on is the the WB
the merger, that kind of idea them selling again. It's it's not shocking
to me just seeing how everything's going. Zaslov is a complete jackass. So
it's not surprising me to just see how this goes, and honestly, like
maybe his revision is history. But I feel like I just always had some
fear about this new era of DC ever since the beginning, just because it
felt like it was built on such a weak foundation, not because of James
Gunn, and I always forget the other guy. I don't forget about Peter
Saffron. Yeah, always for good about Saffron's name. Sorry, but you
know, it's not that they're we foundation, but just it's the fucking those
execs that are the ones who are ultimately have the say over everything over the
top, and they're just really stupid. So like you'll probably still get some
of these movies, but the rest of it is just in limbo. And
for me it doesn't feel like a huge loss because I just never really felt
too solid about all of it happening anyway, just because of Zaslov. Even
if those first two movies, even though they're good and they just didn't do
superowl the box office, that just seems like, Okay, we're gonna cut
at least half these projects. Yeah, cut all the TV shows, just
do maybe the James Gunn movies or something, So I don't know. I
always felt in limbo and hopefully for the DC fans that you get a lot
of that slate that was announced. I hope for your sake you do.
But it just it just seems it just seems bad. Even even if this
merger doesn't happen, it's still like you should be worried that you're not gonna
or you should at least consider the fact that you're that stuff while it was
mentioned and was put on a slate, does not mean that it's actually gonna
happen. That's why I wonder. I'm not saying that we've heard reports like
oh guns rushing production, not that I think it's all been working like that
was like a year ago. They announced that tons of time to work on
the film. But I feel like there must have been something back of his
mind, like I gotta get to Superman Legacy because like they're going production next
week, so they're good, they're gonna film, that movie's gonna come out.
That's gold. But like I feel like I wonder if at any point
if that's why his movie was first too. I like, I got to
make sure I make this because I might not get a chance to and you
know that's and that's smart because I do think it's you know, a good
swing of the bat. I think that it has a chance to be successful.
And the good thing is hopefully it comes out year next year does well.
So then if a new person does get it, they go, oh,
let's not change just because this is the guy the plan. He directed
the movie and it did really well. You know, it's a question of
if it's like underwhelming or it's not like a huge Like if it's a hit
but not a huge hit, that's when you worry, like, uh,
does someone come and like, well, you know that's what happened last time
with BVS, Like it didn't hit a billion, and then after that it
was just a down thing of like new exact, new exact, right,
So yeah, I mean like the back Girl situation too, like not too
slight. The creators of that movie and maybe that movie was great. We
will never really know, but imagine if a I don't know, if James
Gunn movie gets batgirled in that way, they can't anymore, they can't.
It was it was a movie. No. When there's a byo Ito,
it's like that where there's a certain amount of time where there's projects that you
inherited that if you think our bad will hurt your business, you can write
off. So now, technically, I guess if someone were to buy Universal
could do that, so technically, but if it was a merger, then
no, if if they just merge with the company, James Gunn is good
and I think that it's Superman, So I think, and like I think,
I I'm not I'm not saying this because I'm sure in thirty years from
now, when we're dead, there'll be another Superman. But I feel like
this is the real tester to find it, like it's dead in thirty years,
thirty years Jesus Christ. I'm just the way the planet is going,
honestly. I mean, we might be lucky to get ten exactly so terror
by then. But my whole thing is like it's much like F four where
I feel like legacy is gonna be the true test, like k does the
audience anymore care about Superman? Right? And then if it's a hit,
I think, oh, then you get a bunch more Superman films in the
next decades. But if it's another night, I feel like, Okay,
maybe people are just outgrowing Superman and it's time to move on, you know,
hopefully, but hopefully it's not just like, oh that was successful,
that's green light a bunch more, but then quadruple the budget like Joker,
like that just seems really unsustainable. They got down that road. Yeah,
WB doesn't have that kind of money to throw around. That's where this Joker
thing also gets really wild to me, where we could they could make four
Jokers for that, for that they could have. Yeah, quite that simple,
but with different actors, just make a different just get anthology. Yeah,
with the different a key stand film there. Yeah, yeah, I
touch upon that already. The Tom Cruise stuff. I'm just excited because we
talk about in Top Gun, where for me, I'm the reverse. I
got enough action Tom Cruise. I want the actor back and a Top Gun.
You have to see him slightly do that again. I want him to
work with Tarantino and fucking uh and you read too, and like uh,
Paul Thomas Anderson, like all these names that were rumored, Like I really
want him to pop up in some good I want him to do a fucking
eight twenty four movie like Tom Cruise Weird Cat, but act wise can be
one of the best and I'm telling you this as a Travis told you the
second he's in a movie and he gets Oscar, he gets nominated for an
Oscar. I say this to Mike, He's fucking winning that because they want
to thank him so hard. They want to give him Oscar, top Gun,
save the box office during COVID all this shit, like they like,
they want to praise this guy. So I'm telling you he will when Oscar
he wants to. And I think it is just interesting. He can't just
be He can't be Ethan Hunt forever, you know, like it's like there
is a time and also almost like the Superman thing that last mission possible movie
didn't do that well, and maybe he's reading the tea leaves of like,
well, many people aren't. They don't want another mission, you know,
like maybe the missions are over. So that's why I feel like, do
the one they're filming right now leave it off in like a good way that
hey, if it's a Maya hit, sure you can come back, or
if it's not, we've told our story. And I think that maybe him
reading the tea leaves of maybe people aren't into the action stuff, which is
weird because the two years before top Come was the biggest movie of the year,
right So I think that's just like the box office is unpredictable right now.
So and yeah, joker, yeah, I already spoke about that.
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