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All right, now, let's jump
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So this came out from an article
this week, and it's funny because this

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was a few things we're talking about
with Mickey seventeen. So there's like a

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bunch of stuff here, But the
main point of this argument or this article

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was showing a bunch of their financials
and things they've been up too recently,

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and the theory was, are they
doing this to create a nice, pretty

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package? And some of the stuff
I don't know why, like Yoger's two

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budget that doesn't necessarily have pertaining to
it, but the working theory that the

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reason Hollywood Report was putting in these
articles because other insiders in the business think

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this might be happening, where they
just signed a first look deal with marg

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Margaret, Yeah, Margot Robbie's company
which obviously Barbie Bike, but still with

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her. We talked about a couple
of weeks ago where Cruise now doesn't have

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like a first look because he's still
working with Paramount, but he has like,

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uh, he's gonna do movies with
Warner Brothers, which we'll talk about

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in a second. And there's other
things, right they're trying to get that

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also came to this report that they're
trying to get Tarantino's last movie, and

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that makes sense with how we've heard
these cruise rumors right where we heard he

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might be in here, and now
he's working Warner Brothers. So they're doing

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all this and supposely there's lots of
people that think that either they're doing this

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because they're either gonna sell or there's
gonna be a merger, and the biggest

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one is Comcast NBC Universal is kind
of like pegged, is like the person

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that they've been talking with, because
there's a certain thing that when you buy

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a company, you can't sell for
a certain amount of time. Well come

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April, that time is up and
they can now sell or merge if they

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want to. So that's why all
these moves people have been theorizing that they're

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not trying to do to make war
and whether they're stronger, they're doing it

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in a way to make the package
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And then also coming out in this
report was Joker has gone from the first

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movie being a sixty million budget to
now two hundred million dollar budget. A

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lot of that is like philps and
walking are both getting paid twenty million,

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Gaga's getting paid twelve. They have
the musical sets, but still massive increase.

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Mickey seventeen is coming out January thirty
first next year, and we were

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this way joined the discord because we
were going back and forth of like,

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does that mean they don't have faith
or does that mean, oh, they're

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gonna do like a limited awards released
in December, which tons of movies do,

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and then release wider later on The
reason from this report that's getting that

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really stateous because Warrener Brothers is apparently
disappointed with it. And I'm not taking

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that as that means a bad movie, but that just means that they're probably

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not gonna give it a campaign,
They're probably not gonna market that much.

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They might just put it. We've
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the ones that go out to die, so it sounds like they don't really

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have much faith in that movie.
And then the last point of this is

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to double on the Tom Cruise thing. He joined because the purport was that

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he wants to start working with tours
again and do that type of stuff.

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He's gonna be working with Alejandro in
Urito. He did Birdman. He did

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Revenant, so he's doing a film
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you already see now, I know
there's another mission possible. But he's working

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with Tarantino, rumor to be he's
working with in Uri too. It does

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seem like we're getting a path of
him maybe not doing these action stuff and

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trying to make a sort of a
pivot. So and I guess the only

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thing I'll say before I hand it
off is this is why I'm very excited,

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because it's very cool James Gunn is
posting the cast for Superman and we're

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getting the logo and all this stuff. But this is why I've said Vodka

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and even Tress told you where I'm
in a sense now where I need to

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take this one film of time.
I want to get to legacy. Because

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the guy that's like the guy that
hired you know, Zasloff, I got

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hired James Gunn saying yeah, go
do this stuff literally in a year,

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could not be that guy anymore.
So that's the same thing, like maybe

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they get this new person, Universal
gets DCU and they're like, oh,

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we love James Gunn's plan, let's
do this, or they look in this

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and go, oh, this is
dumb. Why do you have two Batman

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movies? Why didn't you just do
this? And stuff? So that's the

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context in the geek world too,
that all this kind of all the DC

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has this you know, five year
plan that could be kind of refuffled again.

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So Tai Field, what do you
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I mean, that's a lot of
information. Makey seventeen. I do

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have it in the notes, so
if you clear, if you click on

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that, it's all there. It's
uh, mickey seventeen being shoved over to

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the death zone. That's that's unfortunate
because I was curious about this movie,

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but that zone, I was curious. It's going to be bad. No,

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that's where movie is going to die. Though, Travis says they do,

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but that that just means, like
what we're telling the discord word,

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that just means Warner release window of
Poor Things to me, which you asked

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me top notch No, but Poor
Things came out limited in December. That's

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that's the thing. That's why because
to get those no, no, no,

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we don't know that. But as
of right now, it's not it's

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just we don't know. It's not
but as of right now, it's just

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a full on January thirty. First, you're coming out the same weekend as

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like Night Swim, you know,
like that sort of ship yeah dead movie,

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Ah what nights for make Warner Brothers
to be sold again? That's just

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uh, that'd be like three times, and I think it's like five or

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six years because it was Warner Bus, T and T bought them, then

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zazz Off and Discovery bought them,
and then this would be them being bought

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by someone else in the life span
of the podcast. Yes, absolutely,

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the entire podcast, they've been bought
three times. If this happens, Yeah,

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that's just that's absolutely bonkers. Just
to think this big, huge,

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like conglomerate company just being like passed
around and just used and abused and then

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passed around again, like just brutal. So Night Swim made a nice forty

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nine million in the box office,
crushed Madam Web like crazy. I won't

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saw that yet, but that's who
would who would pick up Warner Brothers.

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I don't know, like it would
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a single man does it or you
know, I gave you, I know,

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I give you a lot of me. Sure, the pegged person is

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universal, right now? Oh?
Universal? Guess? Yeah? Right?

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Okay, yeah, I think you
know. I mean, look that portfolio

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we got et, Jaws, Jurassic
Park. Are those all universal movie?

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Yeah? You're just throwing those all
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for sure. The Granches universal,
I'm pretty sure as well. Okay,

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I'm pretty sure that they're universal.
You can get Drastic World with DC characters

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now, Drastic World yeah yeah,
yeah, Fast and Furious with Batman.

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Yeah, you never know. Transformers, I don't know if those are universe.

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Yeah, it was listed at this
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yeah, Joker too has a two
hundred million budgets and I was just joking

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about the one six you go into
Lady Gaga because it was forty million for

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Joker one. But obviously this is
going to be I'm assuming a much more

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of a spectacle with the extra millions
that in there, because it is a

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goal. So we're going to be
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mean, it's gonna be like more
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something more like a poor Things vibe? I feel like the Poor Things world

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and aesthetic would actually work pretty good
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I think you'll for sure get some
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very I get why it's budget.
I get why it's blown up. It

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won a bunch of oscars, became
a billion dollar movie, you got them

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back for a sequel, and they
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off. But it is very interesting
that it's still like ten to fifteen dollars

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more expensive than Dune. Like that's
that's crazy when you look at the Dune

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trading fifteen dollars ten to fifteen million, Okay, yeah, pretty much tho

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when we're talking those thirty five million
budget so crazy. Yeah, So this

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is purely like like, this is
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lot of like, well, we
gotta got walking back for the so it's

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like who knows how this does.
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it's like, oh, small budget, but even if it does just a

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small amount, you made a profit. Now you're getting into like the bit

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and you know the marketing campaign's gonna
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into like it's like an Avenders movie. Now I hate it. I hate

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it. Oh, I hate it. I shouldn't care it's not my money.

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I just I hate it. I
don't know something, it's something stings

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bad vibes. I had good vibes
on mad webs. What do I know?

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But something about it it's just ain't
right. Mm hmm. You can

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go down, you can go Kirk, did you address all your points that

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you were gonna it was the three? The three, Tom Cruise, No

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Tom Cruise too. What do you
think about him maybe stopping doing some uh

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some action stuff? Oh, you
know, I mean the action is as

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we name, As far as I'm
concerned, He's just landing these action roles

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like no Tomorrow, so let's put
them in another action role. Now this

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was a Tarantino project. No,
casually that wouldn't be a huge deal that

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he just kept going And I'm like, oh no, making uh pulp fiction

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to Taylor, were moving coming back, Tom Cruise, dealing a Kirkland save

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us? Where was it gonna go? What were we just talking about before?

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Then? Oh? The Joker thing? Yeah, Like for me,

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the budget increase, it does make
sense just because like it's so much more

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valuable the Joker being with with Joaquin
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and we got lady Gatka, nowt
and it's just those three. It's the

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budget of the first movie just to
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that reason, it does make sense. And I just think so many more

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people are like, yeah, the
Joker is a major character, but just

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like what this is is so much
different, so much more different than that,

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And people that have just been affected
by that first movie, Like I

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know a lot of people that have
seen that, They're like, that movie

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just made me feel awful, and
it's like, man, like that's that's

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like the telling of a good story, because the story is awful, and

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like if it makes you feel that
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powerful impression. And I think a
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so knowing that the second one see
including Lady Gaga and more of a musical,

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but it's still it's still the Joker, Like it still is going to

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be a fucked up movie, I
guarantee, just interesting, and so I

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think the budget makes sense for that. For my notes here, Mickey seventeen,

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I don't know, like I'm I
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can bring up examples of movies that
have gone to die in that slot,

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but that doesn't really affect me too
much. I don't know, really,

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uh superstitious individual, maybe a little
stitious, but not that much. So

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I don't think too much about that. Sucks is being delayed because I was

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really interested in just the whole pairing, especially having Pattinson in there with them,

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cause it's the same lad that did
Parasite, right yeah, Patterson,

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Tony Collette, Mark Ruffalo, And
I think there's someone else really good in

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there too, some great names right
there, so exciting Warner Brothers stuff.

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I don't really, I don't know, I don't. I feel like I'm

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just not never qualified enough to like
speak on the whole business thing. It

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is strange just seeing a major company
like that just swapping hands, and especially

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even just knowing that, like the
runners right now are possibly just just i

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don't know, beautifying the overall property
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to me, that's just such a
strange way to run a business. I

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know, business is all about just
making those margins and like last year or

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sorry, this year has to be
so much better than last year for profits

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and stuff. It's just it's a
weird world to live in, I guess,

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especially when it's like an entertainment thing. It's just it's just weird to

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me. I don't know, I
don't understand it. I'm not gonna try

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and understand it. So I don't
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one. What was the other one? I think that's everything. Actually Tom

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Cruise, Oh, Tom Cruise,
Yeah, with Guarantino, going back to

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his action roots. I love Tom
Cruise in action roles, Like it's I

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know what to expect when I see
these action movies with Tom Cruise. So

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if that's just taking a back burner
to try something different, part of me

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is definitely like it's a bit of
a bummer. But who knows, maybe

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it's gonna be like a different era
of Tom Cruise's career. I know he's

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done more serious roles in the past, you know as well to shut it.

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Definitely not an action movie. That's
how he started. He was not

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an action guy, and that was
the biggest knock because I'm not gonna be

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that guy. But because like he
is shorter, that was the biggest knock,

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Like, oh, how's this guy. You're gonna be an action guy?

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Right? He doesn't have the body
of the physique and stuff, So

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that was his career, and then
he became top gun. We'll not really

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top I don't get, but he
came Mission impossible all those type of things

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you know for sure, And like
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if he pivots to a more dramatic
role situation and like it. It just

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it's amazing like that that that would
be cool to just see that side of

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his career expand. But at the
same time, I'd be a little bit

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disappointed if I'm missing out on these
action roles. Doesn't necessarily say he's he's

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never gonna do him again, but
yeah, it's I I'm interested, but

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I would definitely be a little bit
remiss think he's about to be so he

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can't be jumping off buildings and planes
forever, you know, flying in the

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air strapped to airplanes. Yeah,
like he he also does action in these

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action movies. So yeah, you're
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Okay, let's see Mickey. It's
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tricky Mickey, Tricky Mickey. Parasite
one of the best movies of all time,

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one of my favorite movies of all
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don't know, if you do a
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fucking high to follow it up with
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like huge famous Hollywood actors, like
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to get this movie right. And
so I don't know, there could be

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some validity to it not being not
be meeting their expectation. Oh yeah,

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sure that could. I mean for
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be shocked if this movie is better
than Parasite for me. But obviously it's

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like an incredibly high bar. So
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not gonna be disappointed if it's half
as good as Paris, Like that's just

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how good that movie is. Go
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thoughts on that. So I'm I'm
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even for the draft part, and
I had it on my list. Yeah

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whatever, I'm gonna lose some somebody. You didn't You didn't remember I gave

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you the heads up that there were
no I don't think. Then we have

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this conversation in the discord that you
said he still picked it. I warned

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him, No, I thought I
was saying good thing. I warned you.

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Maybe maybe I'm wrong. Oh ship, I'll bring that up. Go

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check it out. I thought I
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Oh you did at number four.
Yeah, No, I was wrong about

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that. Okay, hard enough drafts. It's all your face, your boasts.

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I tried, and he stayed.
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delay, just because it's a delay
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his next movie and all this stuff. So that's where I'm more disappointed,

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and for sure because that was like
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it's now it's getting here's supposed to
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like three months from now, and
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oh they're doing it for the festival
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January. It's like cool, Yeah, so we'll see what's what's gonna happen

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there and hopefully, uh, hopefully
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think the only one that I would
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the merger, that kind of idea
them selling again. It's it's not shocking

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to me just seeing how everything's going. Zaslov is a complete jackass. So

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it's not surprising me to just see
how this goes, and honestly, like

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maybe his revision is history. But
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fear about this new era of DC
ever since the beginning, just because it

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felt like it was built on such
a weak foundation, not because of James

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Gunn, and I always forget the
other guy. I don't forget about Peter

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Saffron. Yeah, always for good
about Saffron's name. Sorry, but you

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know, it's not that they're we
foundation, but just it's the fucking those

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execs that are the ones who are
ultimately have the say over everything over the

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top, and they're just really stupid. So like you'll probably still get some

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of these movies, but the rest
of it is just in limbo. And

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for me it doesn't feel like a
huge loss because I just never really felt

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too solid about all of it happening
anyway, just because of Zaslov. Even

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if those first two movies, even
though they're good and they just didn't do

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superowl the box office, that just
seems like, Okay, we're gonna cut

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at least half these projects. Yeah, cut all the TV shows, just

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do maybe the James Gunn movies or
something, So I don't know. I

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always felt in limbo and hopefully for
the DC fans that you get a lot

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of that slate that was announced.
I hope for your sake you do.

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But it just it just seems it
just seems bad. Even even if this

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merger doesn't happen, it's still like
you should be worried that you're not gonna

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or you should at least consider the
fact that you're that stuff while it was

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mentioned and was put on a slate, does not mean that it's actually gonna

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happen. That's why I wonder.
I'm not saying that we've heard reports like

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oh guns rushing production, not that
I think it's all been working like that

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was like a year ago. They
announced that tons of time to work on

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the film. But I feel like
there must have been something back of his

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mind, like I gotta get to
Superman Legacy because like they're going production next

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week, so they're good, they're
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That's gold. But like I feel
like I wonder if at any point

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if that's why his movie was first
too. I like, I got to

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make sure I make this because I
might not get a chance to and you

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know that's and that's smart because I
do think it's you know, a good

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swing of the bat. I think
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And the good thing is hopefully it
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So then if a new person does
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let's not change just because this is
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the movie and it did really well. You know, it's a question of

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if it's like underwhelming or it's not
like a huge Like if it's a hit

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but not a huge hit, that's
when you worry, like, uh,

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does someone come and like, well, you know that's what happened last time

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with BVS, Like it didn't hit
a billion, and then after that it

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was just a down thing of like
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back Girl situation too, like not too

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slight. The creators of that movie
and maybe that movie was great. We

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will never really know, but imagine
if a I don't know, if James

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Gunn movie gets batgirled in that way, they can't anymore, they can't.

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It was it was a movie.
No. When there's a byo Ito,

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it's like that where there's a certain
amount of time where there's projects that you

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inherited that if you think our bad
will hurt your business, you can write

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off. So now, technically,
I guess if someone were to buy Universal

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could do that, so technically,
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no, if if they just merge
with the company, James Gunn is good

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and I think that it's Superman,
So I think, and like I think,

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I I'm not I'm not saying this
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now, when we're dead, there'll
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this is the real tester to find
it, like it's dead in thirty years,

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thirty years Jesus Christ. I'm just
the way the planet is going,

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honestly. I mean, we might
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by then. But my whole thing
is like it's much like F four where

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I feel like legacy is gonna be
the true test, like k does the

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audience anymore care about Superman? Right? And then if it's a hit,

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I think, oh, then you
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next decades. But if it's another
night, I feel like, Okay,

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maybe people are just outgrowing Superman and
it's time to move on, you know,

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hopefully, but hopefully it's not just
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that's green light a bunch more,
but then quadruple the budget like Joker,

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like that just seems really unsustainable.
They got down that road. Yeah,

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WB doesn't have that kind of money
to throw around. That's where this Joker

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thing also gets really wild to me, where we could they could make four

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Jokers for that, for that they
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but with different actors, just make
a different just get anthology. Yeah,

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with the different a key stand film
there. Yeah, yeah, I

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touch upon that already. The Tom
Cruise stuff. I'm just excited because we

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talk about in Top Gun, where
for me, I'm the reverse. I

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got enough action Tom Cruise. I
want the actor back and a Top Gun.

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You have to see him slightly do
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work with Tarantino and fucking uh and
you read too, and like uh,

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Paul Thomas Anderson, like all these
names that were rumored, Like I really

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want him to pop up in some
good I want him to do a fucking

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eight twenty four movie like Tom Cruise
Weird Cat, but act wise can be

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one of the best and I'm telling
you this as a Travis told you the

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second he's in a movie and he
gets Oscar, he gets nominated for an

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Oscar. I say this to Mike, He's fucking winning that because they want

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to thank him so hard. They
want to give him Oscar, top Gun,

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save the box office during COVID all
this shit, like they like,

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they want to praise this guy.
So I'm telling you he will when Oscar

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he wants to. And I think
it is just interesting. He can't just

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be He can't be Ethan Hunt forever, you know, like it's like there

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is a time and also almost like
the Superman thing that last mission possible movie

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didn't do that well, and maybe
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well, many people aren't. They
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like maybe the missions are over.
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the one they're filming right now leave
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hey, if it's a Maya hit, sure you can come back, or

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if it's not, we've told our
story. And I think that maybe him

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reading the tea leaves of maybe people
aren't into the action stuff, which is

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weird because the two years before top
Come was the biggest movie of the year,

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right So I think that's just like
the box office is unpredictable right now.

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So and yeah, joker, yeah, I already spoke about that.

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