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Thanks for listening to Later with Lee
Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast, and

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remember to listen to The Drive Live
weekday afternoons from five. Scenes is an

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iheartsmedia presentation. Work has appeared in
Vanity Fair, New York Times, and

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New York Magazine. He's got a
new unvarnished biography of the Beatles called the

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Beatles in their own Words, All
You Need Is Love, unpublished, unvarnished

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and told by the Beatles and their
inner circle. Greetings. Good to have

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you along with us. Stephen Gaines, good morning, It's great to be

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here. Thanks for asking me.
Now your co author, Peter Brown.

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This all started when he was composing
a biography back in nineteen eighty, right

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when Peter asked me, you know
I've been after Peter Brown. Peters from

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Liverpool. He was Brian Epstein's assistant. He was best man at Johnny Oaka's

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wedding. He introduced Paul to Linda. He was a real inside to work

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for Apple and Beatles and co.
For a long time, and I begged

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him to. We wrote a book
called The Love You Make, which was

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the giant bestseller, sold over five
hundred thousand copies, but we had the

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tapes. We had two hundred one
thousand words on tape, maybe one hundred

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hours, and we blocked them in
a bank fault and they were there for

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forty years, and finally Peter and
I decided that we were going to have

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them transcribed and published them as a
book. So you hear the actual words

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of Paul of Yoko, of George
of Ringo. You hear them saying it's

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not there's no other texts. It's
just interviews of everybody, their wives,

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ex wives, you know, Patty
Boyd, Cynthia Lennon, you name it.

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It's all in this book. And
it's interesting because the English publishers have

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said titled this book the End of
the Beatles, and because it was all

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recorded in nineteen eighty ten years after
they ended, so you got to hear

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a lot of raw, interesting,
unknown material on these tapes. The Beatles

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definitely changed music, not just in
Britain, not just in the United States,

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but worldwide. And I contend that
they were responsible for making a very

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drastic change in music in a very
short period of time. When you look

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at pop music between say nineteen fifty
nine and nineteen sixty nine, but then

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you go nineteen seventy nine to nineteen
eighty nine. I mean, you don't

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see nearly the shift you saw in
the earlier years. Did the Beatles in

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all of their adventures? Were they
self aware enough to know they were changing

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things? I asked them these questions. It's really interesting. I think they

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did know, and I think they
did change music. I think they established

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a new arena for accomplishment in music. But I think they were also amazingly

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talented, wrote beautiful, gorgeous songs. And the way the songs will put

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together, and the way they produced
and the fact that most of the songs

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were only done on four track,
you know, is really a concredible thing.

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So yes, I think that they
did, and I think that they

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affected a lot of things. They
affected the culture. I never thought about

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feminism before the anti war movement here
in the United States, where we had

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five thousand guys in Vietnam, was
really mostly about hippies, peace fowers and

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LSD. In England, it was
a very very different thing, and they

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brought a lot of subjects to life
and really educated the world, not just

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in music, but in a lot
of different facets of I touched George Harrison

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George, I grew my mustache because
you grew your mustache. That's how much

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the sim will effect. And he
said to me, that's the dumbest thing

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I ever heard. Me. Go
ahead, well, say Stephen Gaines,

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co author of All You Need Is
Love the Beatles in their own works.

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It's unpublished, unvarnished, and told
by the Beatles in their inner circle.

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And you talk about the music,
and you talk about the writing, and

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what marvels me is, Okay,
I go and I study Beethoven. I

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go and I study Chopin or any
of the classics, and then I look

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at a score of Blackbird, and
I say to myself, it's there's Blackbird

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written by someone who had no formal
musical training. Is as much of an

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aria as anything that came out of
Mozart. You're right, You're right.

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They listen. These guys were so
you know, when you see the Peter

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Jackson movie and you see them in
the studio and then John Strum's just a

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couple of notes and it gave me
chills because they said, oh my god,

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that song's going to turn out to
be. I forget what it is

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right now, but they just they
wrote together it was truly amazing. They

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didn't read music, you know,
they just to see each other rot these

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gorgeous songs. That's brilliance that doesn't
exist anymore, and that was that was

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a gift that we all have their
music. And it's just incredible how they

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did it and how they changed the
culture's and they were kind of aware of

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it. Although George thought it was
stupid that I grew mustache, but I

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didn't put long hair mustaches and dressed
a certain way. We all wanted to

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be like the Beatles in a certain
way. Peter Brown and Stephen Gaines,

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the best selling authors of The Love
You Make All You Need Is Love the

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Beatles and their own Words, Unpublished, Unvarnished and told by the Beatles,

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and They're Inner Circle. They basically
went back to all the tapes and are

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now revealing more in this volume.
The personalities that later clashed in the Beatles

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I gather Paul was the workaholic,
always wanting to be in the studio.

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George, it seems to me that
Ringo was just along for the ride,

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and it was John who seemed to
start going in other directions other than the

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Beatles as a group. For a
long time before the group broke up,

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John said, I don't want to
be John Beatle anymore. I want to

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be John something else. I want
to do other things. And Paul just

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wanted to stay on that road,
and John he wanted something else, and

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he was lonely John and he couldn't
find the right companionship until he met Yoko.

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And then he used Yoko. He
weaponized Yoko. He used Yoko as

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a wedge between himself and the rest
of the Beatles. So yes, John

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wanted out more than anybody, and
he got out in a very kind of

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nasty way. Oh yeah, yeah, I know it did get nasty.

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Do you get into that aspect of
their career. Well, it's not nasty,

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but you hear what they're saying.
I mean, you hear what Paul

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is saying about it. Look,
Paul talked about how he longed for John's

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friendship to return. It was really
fascinating. George worried about what did John

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read eye me mind the Pfiti road. They all cared so much about each

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other, not necessarily musically, but
they all really missed each other. It

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was a very special thing. Nobody
had gone through what they went through before

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there weren't rock stars that day.
Do you know the Beatles traveled on commercial

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airliners. They weren't all these private
jets that you could hire. They had

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a very very unusual experience. And
I think more than even the first book,

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this new book, All You Need
Is Love is more revealing just to

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hear them talking about it, and
their wives and x wives and lawyers and

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all these all these different people that
were involved in their life. So I

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think that hearing the transcripts from their
own mouths give is chilling, and it

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will chill you. Peter Brown and
Steven Gaines. Stephen Gaines is with us,

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best selling all authors of All You
The Love You Make, I have

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now created All you Need Is Love
the Beatles in their own words, unpublished,

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unvarnished and told by their Beatles and
their inner circle. I could talk

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all day, as you can tell. I'm a fan, so I'm going

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to be devouring this this summer.
But Stephen Gaines, thank you for joining

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us, mon pusre, thank you
for having me. Thanks for listening to

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Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee
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