Joining us now is we'll do a change away from this topic. Guard Goldsmith.
Great to talk to you, Guard, thank you for joining us,
Thanks for having me on David and terrific conversations. I agree with you one.
Well, I won't throw you into that briar patch. But no,
you know, you know, I was just sitting here having my moulick meat
and meal worm on the side meal and I just thought I got to join
the future. I don't know, it's just I need to learn all this
new stuff. Hey. By the way, I just wanted to compliment you
again for bringing up I literally had this right next to me when you brought
up cold case Christianity. I got it because of you, so thank you
so much. You've done so much to help me. And well that's that's
Jay Warner Wallace who did that. He did a great job, and he
had an interesting journey to get to that point, really wise, a very
interesting book and got there. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking at this.
Why they really do want to sent to some kind of a soilent green thing,
isn't it? Isn't it amazing how they just take all these science fiction
movies and they start implementing them. Whether it's yeah, I Went Green or
nineteen eighty four or Brave New World. I mean, it's crazy. It's
crazy. They disconnect you from the natural world and how you might feed yourself
and getting connected to the soil and getting attention to your neighbors, and as
you were talking about with the psychedelics, disconnecting from God and changing your biochemical
state in such a way that you're actually connected to a shaman to do something
about that. It's just it's it's crazy. And you know, to bring
it up, you talked about that that prime spree, the murder spree in
Maine, and whether or not the man was on psychoactive drugs. It's that's
nobody's really talking about that. So why isn't that part of the conversation.
And isn't it interesting that when the Washington Post says, you know, so
these these psychedelics connect with a serotonin and we don't really know what's going on
there, It's like, yeah, and you're not interested in finding out as
long as it's the big pharmaceutical companies doing it. You might question it when
it is coming up with something as a competitor to the pharmaceutical companies, like
magic mushrooms, but you're not interested in it. When it's their SSRIs that's
doing it, they don't talk about it at all, right, right,
And as you said, there's a difference between mandating and compelling people not to
take these things to the force of the state, engaging in aggression to tell
people don't do that, and preaching to people just offering, offering what I
think is a good way to go and you might want to try this.
And you know, I worked in a bookstore for many years part time,
and we carried a lot of the alcoholics anonymous recovery material, the books,
the recovery medallions for their twenty four hours, the one month and so on.
So a lot of the anonymous guys would actually come in and I'd have
great conversations with them, learning about so many of the patterns that emerged in
the conversations. Now say, you know, I talked to this other guy,
is that similar with you? And it was always the things that I
learned are actually very applicable to anybody, even if they don't have the classic,
you know, termed addictive problems, which is that they would typically look
at their opportunity to ingest some sort of a drug and get away from things
as their opportunity. It's their chance. They've sacrificed so much. Now it's
my time to get away. So a mother would go into the car and
drink or or you know, do something like taking heroin or something like that,
because they just felt that this is my time to withdraw and get away
and this is my release valve. And I found that that. You know,
I think a lot of us feel those sorts of feelings. It's just
if you've got those, especially if you've got that tendency, how do you
guard against that and protect yourself and make it a fruitful thing to release a
little bit of pressure? How do you do it in a positive way?
Can you help somebody else while you're doing it and have fun? Right and
you learn something? Yeah, you know, we can do that in a
lot of different ways. I mean we can get we can escape by watching
TV or movies or sports or something like that. Or we can get obsessed
with it. You know, we can make it so that all we do
is sit there and watch TV. Now we're not living our life or we've
lost our life because we're sitting there on the couch in front of television.
All the time, especially you know with sports, somebody can become a real
sports fanatic or they can. There's nothing inherently wrong with it unless it becomes
this thing that you lean on because it's an escape, out of out of
life. And then when it's this thing that you're trying to escape escape with
it and it kind of takes over your life, that's when it becomes bad.
And of course that can be anything. It could be food, you
know, it could be it could be anything in your life. As it
starts to dominate and take over your life and take you out of life,
at that point it becomes evil. But yeah, you're you're right. We're
not trying to even things that that I would think are harmful. I'm not
trying to get the government to ban them, except as I said, the
m RNA, because I believe that's an outright poisonou kill shot. But in
general, I don't believe in prohibition, and I'm not trying to get any
force anybody into a particular religion or to agree with me in religion. And
I don't want the government doing that either, because what happens is the government
winds up destroying that church that it joins. It joins the church and then
destroys the church. And we know people like that too, you know,
but so true, so true. Look what they've done with marriage for goodness
sake, you know. And thank you again for about a year ago reading
that piece that I wrote about marriage on substack. You know, don't put
the state before God when it comes to marriage, you know, going into
the history of it and how they tried to stop blacks and whites from marrying.
It's supposed to be a religious ceremony. And if you're going to get
the government defining what marriage is and you're going to have command and control,
central control of things, you're not going to get what you want because the
people who are going to be in charge won't be the people eventually that you
want to be in charge. Right, And rig is a good example.
It really is a good example of the mixture of church and state because it
was a religious thing and then the government gets involved in it. The next
thing, you know, government has defined it and defined it in a way
to match with their religion of secular humanism, for example, and then prohibited
all other form all other opinions about marriage and so and that's what they do
in a broad sense on any kind of religion. When you have the government
getting into a religion, they're going to wind up taking in an direction that
you probably don't want. Yeah, yeah, And you know, it reminds
me actually of that. It's that that statement from nineteenth century the nineteenth century
economist Frederick Bossia political philosopher, where he said the state is that great fiction
by which everyone endeavors to live off of everyone else. And as perhaps says
this, some folks want to celebrate Halloween. It is very vampiric, and
uh, you know, it's it's it is. It's an interesting thing because
it removes people because they think everything's being decided in this sandbox. Every More
stuff, more toys have been thrown into the sandbox, and they don't see
that it comes at the expense of their neighbor. It comes at their expense.
They say that is coming as at their expense. So I have to
dive into I have to decide how this is going to be steered. I've
got to get aboard this ship, and no, I don't want it.
This is the moral culpability that is the problem. You know, we've discussed
on my streaming show. We've discussed Israel and Hamas, and I constantly hear,
especially conservative talk radio hosts, they're saying, well, what are we
going to do about it? And it's the all inclusive government statist WI.
It's like, no, I don't want to be part of your Wii.
Why are you taking the Royal Wii and claiming that somehow it represents me?
This is and I mentioned on my show as well, the New York Times
bomber, the one of the very few who actually was a terrorist that they
got a number of years ago. Who's gonna yet a car? And they
ended up placing the explosives that the guy thought that he was going to blow
up in Times Square, not New York Times, Times Square, and they
asked him, how do you plead? And he said, I'm almost quoting
verbatim. He said, guilty, guilty, a thousand times guilty. And
if the US government continues to do what it is doing in the Middle East,
more American civilians are going to die because they buy into the same canard
that we do. It's the royal we that they've translated from you know,
old royal days where the monarch was le tete samois. I am the state
to now you are all the state. It's all wonderful, it's kumbaya,
it's we and they've wrapped their arms around you through force. I don't just
leave me alone. I don't want to be molested. Just leave me alone.
I don't need Joe Biden sniffing my well. I don't have any hair.
But you know what I mean. Yeah, it's you know, we
look at all the different things that the US government does. I don't want
that imputed to me. Yeah, that's not my policy. I don't support
that. I didn't vote for that, and I don't I don't agree with
that in any way, shape or form. And yet that is that is
the big issue, and so we need to understand the same thing about other
people. That's what I said from the very beginning. You understand that the
things that are done by the Israeli government to the Israeli people using them as
labrass, but also to the Gaza people, that is not to be imputed
to all the people living in Israel. The same thing goes of Hamas and
the things that it does not to be imputed to all the people living in
Gaza. Just as I don't want you know what Biden does or Trump does
imputed to me, you know. I mean, if that were the case,
since we created this vaccine, I guess everybody would be justified in terms
of wiping America off the face of the earth because we sew those shots around
the world. I mean, it's crazy when you look at it, but
we have to understand, you know, what's really going on. But everybody's
getting their blood loss up, you know. And I see they brought journalists
over to Israel, and Joel Pollock at Breitbart was one of the ones that
they took over to to show and he was just you know, people were
throwing up when they showed them the pictures of what have been done to people.
I understand that. And I wanted to throw up when I saw the
pictures of what bombs had done to a little kid in Gaza. But you
understand that it's not the visceral effect. We got to try to distance ourselves
from that somehow and say, how do we break this cycle of violence?
How do we get a lid on this thing instead of escalating it. And
everybody on both sides seems to want to escalate this, and they don't want
to go back and look at the long term agenda that we've had for decades
with the US and with Israel as well, with Neahu. We got to
get Iran, you know that is It's like, okay, so that's really
what you're you're pushing us for. You got this geopolitical goal, and you're
going to use us as expendable for your geopolitical goal. And you don't care
how many of your own citizens dying. You certainly don't care about the citizens
in the other countries. As a matter of fact, you take that as
a victory, not you know, when you kill other people in other countries.
Yeah, And you know, it's interesting. I look at it almost
like a combination of pretzel logic and convoluted circus performing where they'll they have all
these various convolutions and they're very subtle. So for example, they the US
government will insert federal troops, US troops without any declaration of war on the
ground in Israel. They'll put them on the ground in Poland. And in
Poland, Joe Biden actually acknowledges to one hundred and first airborne You'll you'll find
out about the Ukrainians. Oh that's right, some of you guys have already
been there. Oh really, I didn't know that you were. You had
them on the ground in Ukraine. Now you told us. And then we
have John Kirby talking about how well the advisors of the US military, you
know, they put it in air quotes. I suppose the advisors of the
US military who are on the ground in Israel they have a right to defend
themselves. But even that is is it's a circumlocution of what is really the
rights because and I've mentioned this to people before, I said, listen,
do they really have a right to Sure, they have the right to protect
themselves, But if they're there illegitimately on somebody else's dime, and the weapons
that they have they didn't buy themselves, then what right exactly are they exercising
over there? You know? Are they are they? I mean, if
a mafia sends one of its mob guys to a new city with guns that
they got through shaking down some of the local people in Brooklyn, does that
man then have the right to use the fruits of ill gotten gains? Or
is there a moral question there? You know? And I think there are
major moral questions even in that sort of typical phraseology that we hear from people
where they say, well, they obviously have a right there. Well,
you're not questioning the fact that you put them there illegitimately. And if we're
looking at the weapons that they've got, what if I don't want to pay
for their weapons? And that goes to the weapons even if the people of
the United States aren't there, If we're looking at the weapons that they send
over, well, take a look at Syria. Talk about justification. Okay,
we could be invited into Israel, and I'm sure they would love to
have additional troops in there to work with them. We were not invited into
Syria. We invaded Syria, we set up bases in Syria. And then
we've had US jets do attacks today and they said they were retaliatory. Retaliatory
for what retaliatory because we invaded they attacked us in response to that, and
so now, oh, now we're justified to escalate that. That is the
key issue, and we have done that over and over again. And so
when you look at what is happening, Seria is a good example. They've
got their agenda what they want to do with oil. They got their agenda
with what they want to do with oil, with Iran as well as with
Iran's power base. And so this is about the geopolitics. This is about
the long term animal stay between Iran and the US that goes back to the
nineteen fifties when we overthrew their elected leftist leader who wanted to nationalize industries.
But of course, in America, we just think it was you know,
the Shaw was always there. He wasn't put in by us. We don't
know that the CIO was training his secret police, and we don't care or
know anything about the about what he was doing to the people there. And
then just all of a sudden, for no apparent reason, there's this radical
Islamic regime that gets installed and they hate Americans and we don't can't understand why
they hate us. Yeah, my formative years came without that, without that
knowledge of the foreground to all of it. So I came in with exactly
those thoughts. I thought, why why do they hate Americans? You know,
why is it that they've done this? Oh? I just must,
I must make sure that I don't like Iranians. Then I met a woman
from Iran. She goes, well, you know it used to be called
Persia, Like, what are you talking about if I was a kid,
and I was like, why, she goes, well, let me tell
you what happened. And I'm like, oh, I see okay. And
you know, David, it's interesting, as you mentioned it, because they
have all these subtle means to you know, that there's so many perverse incentives
anytime that a government institution or something removed from individuals claims power. So we've
got the jabs, we've got the pharmachia, we've got the perverse incentives to
gin the system and make sure that their money goes towards promoting a particular so
called public health agenda. And as you brought up, there is no such
thing as public health as individual health. So anytime you remove it from the
individual or free association and you're applying mandates and so on to people, there's
an incentive for people to get in to have those mandates steer to their benefit.
Obviously rent seeking in economics, right, And we see the same thing
with the military industrial complex, whether it's public health or so called public defense
further away, and the founders really understood this, you know, they wanted
small, decentralized localities really running their own thing. And I think that,
you know, the lessons from Exodus are very clear. If you look at
before they had a king, you look at the system that they had.
They had the tribes, they had the families, they had the elders and
the families who were the adjudicators. It's much like ancient Ireland, much like
ancient Iceland. They had these locales, localities, and it was mostly reputation.
It wasn't statutes from the state thrown down at people. And I think
that this is the sort of thing that a lot of people they just just
sort of blithely go along with it because they think that they've got these protective
machines in the government, and the machines are just they're designed to get taken
over by people who will take advantage of them, whether it's the so called
defense industry or not. You know, we've got a woman running for governor.
Yeah, a woman running for governor right now named Kelly Aott here in
New Hampshire. Former US senator. I used to see her around she was
the state attorney general. I used to see her in a panera bread up
in the state, you know, the capital. And so she was a
senator for a while. She get knocked out by a Democrat. She's part
of the Rhino complex. She was on the board of b A BAE Systems
at the same time I believe that she was on the board of Fox News.
Yeah yeah, she went out there big military industrial corporation. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. So there are all these perverse incentives that we don't realize.
And one one thing I'd like to mention to you, David, to
go back to what you were talking about about the pharmachea and and so on.
You know, for a number of years, it's taken me a while
to learn this lesson, and I'm still trying to figure it out. But
I think you and I discussed this once before, you know, having worked
in television. I was at the Paramount Studios when I worked at Star Trek
Voyager, and I really learned lesson coming from television. And here's that there's
this fine line between consuming entertainment as a minor distraction and understanding that it is
a distraction and living, yeah, living that entertainment world completely removed. Yes,
And it's a very strange thing because I think with the with the pervasive
nature of media, I was one of those people who I just I thought,
I live in New Hampshire, but I can go to Los Angeles,
I can write, I can do all these things. And it took me
a while to really understand that lesson, that entertainment is just a minor distraction
and you can't constantly live in escapism. And I really got the lesson just
recently. I was watching one of the old reruns of Mission Impossible, and
I knew that they had shot it. I thought, I didn't know until
afterwards. I thought, you know, those look like the buildings they were
pretending it was like Poland or something like that, you know, but you
could tell this was a Los Angeles and and they had Greg Morris and the
guy, the big guy. They're they were setting up something in a van,
some of the Mission Impossible members. It's from the sixties, and yeah,
you know, and and they're pulling up the they pull up on this
street and you know it's somewhere and you know, just around the corner from
a sound stage or whatever. Now, because I worked at Star Trek,
right and so I thought to myself, gee, I wonder if that's Paramount.
And I looked at him with closely, and I scrolled back and they
pull into this alcove and it literally was an alcove that was just below my
window at Paramount, and it's this it's a strange. Yeah, it's a
weird thing because then you start to realize how many generations of people have gone
through that particular feel to work and just you know, they've gotten a contract.
They're doing a show, like a guy doing a contract to build a
house or lay down pavement or whatever it is. You know, it's a
place where you can do work. People invested in putting up the buildings.
People come and go, they do their work, they do their shows like
any other theater. And as I've gotten older, I've become I've become much
more aware of how easily you can get drawn into considering that artificial world to
be real. Yeah, you know, and so now I'll be really careful
about with virtual reality because it's becoming hyper real and yeah, it's going to
be so controlling to people. That's that's funny. Now, you were the
Paramount Studios in California, that's where you were, and yeah, yeah,
and I wish Star Trek Generation were you working with? Was it? I
was at Star Trek Voyager and yeah, yeah, in fact, my claim
to fame. I never got my name on the credits because I was always
so low on the total. But my claim to fame is that. And
I hate to say this. I hate to say this because Donald Trump.
It's Operation warp Drive. But yeah, I don't have the hair. But
I'm the guy who saved warp Drive. So what happened was they had this
season of Star Trek Voyager. You know, the concept, the premise for
Voyager was that this crew of this Enterprise ship got teleported to some distant quadrant
of the universe where nobody had ever gone, and it was going to take
them years and years to get back. So they were having this adventure,
a sort of lost in space sort of thing. They'd encounter new you know,
new explorations as they worked their way back, and so they wanted to
sort of speed things up. They didn't they the time that they estimated at
maximum warp drive to get back to the Federation space, it was gonna be
like six years, and like, we're not sure the show is gonna last
that long. Let's see we go faster, Like glad you're not operating an
e you know, I gotta pause here and recharge it. This planet.
You know, I see Jennifer grand Holmes is taking up all the spots.
I don't know what's going on. So so there they had this story where
they had an alien who gave them this thing called slipstream drive. And again,
this is how you know. It's it's entertaining and it's kind of fun.
It's sort of like talking about if you're a baseball card collector or you
know, oh I got this first edition of the Rolling Stones record or whatever.
You know, it's it's entertainment and it's fun. But then you get
to realize, like, okay, that's just a narrative and it's just fun
to talk about it. You know, it's like talking about your favorite you
know, Jules Verne's story or something like that. It's entertaining and hopefully you
can draw a lesson from it. And that's really what I've been learning,
as I mentioned with you before. But so I'm literally the Writer's Guild fellow
and I'm like nobody. I've been there for like two days. Nobody even
knows who I am. And uh so I'm sitting there hearing them talk about,
well, yeah, we've got this alien and it's gonna be called slipstream
drive, and it's gonna be so much faster than warp speed. I was
like, well, at the end of this show, they're going to get
back to the Federation, they're still going to have this technology. So that
means like this classic thing warp is now going to be gone. They're going
to get rid of it and they'll have this. So I didn't know what
to say because I wasn't really in a position to talk and say, excuse
me, you can't you know, nobody knew who I was, right,
So at the end I knew Brandon Barraga. He's the guy who created the
Borg and he's a pretty pro liberty guy. I had lunch with him a
few years ago. Nice guy, and and so Brandon, I wait.
I went out. We left the meeting. It was all the writers are
all together in this thing they called the Brake Session, and I was up
at the board. I was the guy who had to write down all the
ideas as we broke it down to acts and scenes. So they're going through
it and and so I didn't mention anything during the during the meeting, but
at the end of the meeting, I waited because I knew Brandon Brogo would
be the last guy to come out. So Brandon Barga comes out. He's
one of the producers, and I say, he brand that was a good
meeting because yeah, yeah, which think And I was like, yeah,
it was good. I was like, oh, by the way, that
flip stream drive thing. He goes yeah. I was like, does that
mean that when the ship gets back for the Federation warp drive won't be used
in Star Trek from now on. He's like, oh, we got to
fix that, and like, yes, you do have to fix it.
So that reminds me of that sounds like wag the dog, you know,
or yeah, we got this president, we're going to bring him back.
Oh we can't have this guy come back. Goes kill old shoe shoe people
are throwing their shoes up. That was the funniest Well, it was funny
that both sides knew that this thing was just a made up narrative, and
so they're they're releasing information to change the narrative on the other side to their
advantages. They're going through this made up narrative. That's that was quite a
quite a movie. You know, it reminds me when you're talking about that,
I know, we went out when the kids were my sons were really
small. We went out to Tahoe and uh and and I had that feeling
that it was really strange because you know, I'd grown up with Bonanza and
it was in the on the back in the background on Sunday nights and stuff
like that, you know, And so I would see it and we're driving
around there and it's like, wow, the sense of deja vu that I've
been here before was really amazing. Of Course the kids didn't have it because
they didn't know what it looked like, you know, but it was this
area where they had filmed it, and you know, watched it for years
and years when I was a kid, and then all of a sudden,
I'm there and it was it was like being on the set, although it
was there had been shooting it on the natural area. I understood it is
weird. I had a similar experience. UH. In another instance, my
buddy used to UH. He was staying at in one of my brother's houses,
and he had a dog, and so when I would finish work,
I would go over to visit with the dog and let the dog outside,
and he would leave the television on for the dog. And so I went
in and typically when I got there, Bonanza would be on and it was
one of those old, you know, like first season bonanzas of black and
white. It was mostly sound stage with the backdrop that had been drawn,
you know, with the with the prairies and the background and so on.
And I was watching, I was like, I don't know why, but
I just get a feeling they shot this at one of the Paramount studios.
I don't know why, Like, there's no reason to think that it's just
in a sound stage. So I waited to the end. Sure enough,
it was shot at Paramount, probably in the same sound stage where I was
walking around, where they had built the Star Trek Voyager, you know,
toy to play in. And it really is. It's you know. The
interesting thing about it was the first couple of seasons they shot it on a
sound stage, but then they would do some outside shots in that area,
and then they decided, well, let's let's build the real thing out there,
and you know, they built a purpose built house and eventually Laurren Green
and Dan Blocker and Michael Lannon all got involved in terms of a part ownership
for this thing. They set up for tourists and stuff like that, but
actually did have a ponderosa that they built, physically built it, and they
built in different areas where they could hide the camera. You know, already
got the shots that are built into this actual building, but because they had
been shooting it on the sound stage for a couple of years, they had
to put the same background up, so that kind of like a sound stage
behind the actual pondurosa that they built for continuity effect. I don't know that
anybody would have really noticed it, but they did it anyway. And I
guess life imitating art or something like that. But yeah, you're right.
It really is about moderation, you know, just because somebody is not going
to become an alcoholic if they take a drink if they can do it in
moderation, and so everything is about that. Entertainment can be that way,
food can be that way. Everything needs to be in moderation. That's a
real challenge to all of us, and we all have a different challenge in
different things. And of course, on the other side of it, even
when we're talking about food, we have people who are trying to manipulate us
into not doing it in moderation. You know, the food suppliers. They
load that stuff up so that you don't do it in moderation. You know,
it keeps you unsatisfied and looking for more, you know. And I
was thinking about the lessons of the pharmacia, not to actually cure problems and
cure maladies, but to give you things that cover up the maladies and then
extend the maladies. And I'm beginning to think that it's not just who is
going to what party or what the nation state is going to win here or
win there. I'm almost getting the sense that this these decades and decades since
World War Two, of all of these different flare ups here and there.
It's almost as if the military industrial complex knows they want to continue to push
conflict, but only up to a certain point, because if they go beyond
that point, then they have to move literally, you know, they would
get lots of production and so on and so forth, but they reach a
threshold where the where the economy would be so bad off that I think almost
as if they've they've realized that they can sustain themselves at the maximum point.
And this is just my theory. I'm just I was thinking about it last
night. I was like, I wonder if they know that if they just
continually to have things simmer just below World War that that's their best profit margin
right there, you know. And I don't know. I mean, I
could be completely wrong, but you know, you see the way things are
bubbling up there in the Middle East. Oh, Hesbola is going to get
involved and then attack Iran and that sort of stuff, and it couldn't lead
to World War III, perhaps or maybe they'll pull back and then a few
years from now, well they'll do it again. And of course we've got
to have more increasing money going to the military industrial complex and perpetuate those bases
rather than having a complete world war that ends up, you know, moving
all the chess pieces around once more. They just keep their chess pieces on
there rather than having everything removed. They slowly advanced into our lives. I
don't know, it's just speculation, yeah, And of course that all comes
from standpoint of their arrogance that they are in complete control. Yeah, and
they aren't. You know, they might get right up to that line and
then things get a little bit out of control. You know, we're talking
about it. The other day. One person questioned it. I said,
you know, it looks like we're at deaf Con two. There isn't any
Yeah, there's not a public description of that. Most people agree that after
the involvement in Ukraine, it took us to def Con three. Deaf Con
two is the next level up. I don't know if what's going on in
the Middle East it takes us to deaf Con level two or not. But
if those are general consensus that we were at deaf Con three with what was
going on with Ukraine, this whole Middle East thing looks like it is quite
a bit more volatile and dangerous from a global perspective. I think I agree
with you, and you might have heard I think the categories with you too.
She's just entered the studio. I agree with you, and you know.
It troubles me greatly to see the way that you can't criticize the policies
of the State of Israel without being accused of being anti Semitic. You can't
criticize the United States government overthrow of the Ukrainian government that was elected there in
late twenty thirteen, and then the imposition through Victoria Neulan and Jeffrey piet and
all the others. And it amazes me that you've got these fatuous characters like
Lindsey Graham talking about how they support Israel. In the meantime, he's literally
in photographs with old A Tiani Bak of the Slovoda Party of Ukraine, who
is a Nazi, I mean in avowed Nazi. Literally, it's just and
that's not anti Semitic, mister Graham, please come on, you know,
it's amazing. You got Amy Klobashar in photographs with them, Joe Biden shaking
his hand, John McCain not only meeting with guys who formed the almostra Front
when they were in Turkey. They've got those photographs of them standing out there
in a bright, clear day out there in the desert. But you've got
him in photographs with Johnny bok Uh. It's it's just amazing, you know.
And it the thing that that I often consider, David, is,
you know, they say that this is for our defense and so on.
I would prefer that they actually operate according to their oath to the Constitution.
If they think there's the cat, sorry, the cat is very eager.
It's warm here, she wants to go outside. So anyway, you know,
I'd rather rather than coming up with all these flimsy excuses that they're defending
America and that if they don't continue to give weapons to Israel, Israel will
somehow when they've been giving them three point eight billion dollars of weapons a year
for years. I'd rather just be disconnected and protect myself. And you know,
you talked a little bit about that story out of Maine, and it's
it's not that far from my home. And when I look at the forces
of government on a on a regional level in the United States or state level
in the United States, and I think about what they do to disarm us
and make us more vulnerable here against criminals, it is it blows me away.
I've got even conservatives now on talk radio here are saying first first,
they're saying, well, you know, they seem to think that everybody in
Maine is carrying a weapon, right, which is absurd. Right with Governor
Janet Mills there, they've got a lot of people who moved up there,
especially from Massachusetts. It's not old time Maine. Yeah, there's a lot
of wilderness there, but if you go to a lot of the cities,
they've gone very purple. The other thing about it is that the place where
that man committed his murders and alleged but you know the people died this particular
man is alleged to have committed these murders was a bowling alley and a bar,
and the bowling alley serves beer. I looked up their website. Maine
has a statute that prohibits anyone who owns a bar or any place that's serving
alcohol from allowing anybody into their premises to carry a firearm. That's an infringement
on property right since the infringement on the freedom of contract, and it's an
infringement on the right to keep him bare arms in all those areas. So
this guy picked soft targets and no one had firearms there. So that's the
first lesson. Then the second lesson is I'm hearing conservatives. Actually they're insinuating
that, well, this man had mental s stability problems. He threatened people
on the military base, So why wasn't somebody taking away his farm arms?
Like you're a conservative. Now you're talking like Donald Trump, and we do
the due process later, which isn't due process at all. Now you're actually
saying, without the terminology, red flagged the guy. How about this.
If he threatened people, you charge him with criminal threatening and then you put
him in jail and you have a trial about that, and you say,
yeah, so did he threaten people? You know, what's his motivation for
that? Oh he's crazy? Also, okay, well we'll deal with that
as well. Yeah, exactly, you give him due process and so it
just like with hate crimes. I'm hearing conservatives now, especially in New England
because it's so close to home, people are talking about how well something's got
to be done. Well, if something had to be done, clearly there
was a problem with the guy. If there was a problem with the guy,
he's either bad enough to be put in jail and you can prosecute him,
or he's not. That's it. You put him on trial. And
if you don't have him in jail, then clearly you think he's safe enough
to be out on the streets. Yeah. Yeah, And of course,
you know, besides the alcohol being there and it's it's not legal for them
to take it. They had a sign at the bowling alley, you know,
right above the sign that says choose your weapon. They said, don't
bring your firearm in and it's like, choose your weapon you want a small
bowling ball, you want a big bowling ball. You want to a small
caliber or a big caliber. Choose, but don't bring your weapon in here.
And so again, as you point out, it's a soft target.
And that sign didn't stop anything, did it, you know. I mean,
that's that's the key. What they did was they kept people who were
law abiding, rational citizens from having weapons that they could use to protect themselves.
It's just like the Louby cafeterion and in Texas and and what happened with
that woman who was a dentist and she left her you know, so you
can't bring it in here. It's like, all right, left her,
left her firearm in the glove compartment, and then this guy dry it was
this truck through the side of the of the building there and start shooting people.
And she I don't have my weapon with me because they call it there
was a sign there telling me I couldn't protect myself. Yeah, yeah,
absolutely. It's it's troubling and and you know, thank goodness we can talk
about these things and try to set the record straight. And I think that
you know, with with your program, you have tremendous, tremendous capacity to
be able to cover all these different stories. And you know my work at
m RCTV, I throw stories up to the editors and things like that,
and sometimes we have disagreements. You know, the folks at m RCTV,
Brent Bozella and Mark Levin are very good friends. And I have massive problems
with many of Mark Levin's positions, especially you know, some of his sort
of rhetoric and so on, and you know, and but but they're very
very good to allow me. I mentioned in a recent piece about Joe Biden
throwing weapons around the world at the same time then he's starting a new White
House Bureau of Gun Violence Prevention. I was like, the hypocrisy of this
guy is unbelievable. He wants to give billions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine,
and they did allow me to hyperlink to Israel in my piece, So
I thought, Okay, you know, there's there's a given take here,
and I'm very glad to be able to you know, chat with you and
and and the opportunities you've given me to fill in for you, and then
you know, doing my my streaming show to get this information out that that
you know, even when you have some conservatives. You say, no,
we've got to disagree here. You know, let me bring up a different
perspective for you. And I heard one of my acquaintances in Boston talk radio
she says, what are we going to do about what's happening in Israel?
And again I say, you know, why what is this we? Why
do I have to have anything to do with that? You know? So
to me, that's a really big deal. And and it's great also to
think that we can sort of circumvent some of the some of the sensors that
have been brought up against us. And with the listenership and how supportive they've
been, you know, I've been able to start off my Liberty Conspiracy show
and my sub stack, and it'd been able to sustain it pretty well.
With all the people who came over from your show and they're in my chat
and they're saying, Hi, Gardner, I'm like, wow, you folks
are just great. It's so fantastic, And you're their Liberty Conspiracy or on
rock Fan Monday through Friday at what time Monday through Friday is starting at six
pm Eastern and then yep, and we're streaming live at Rumble and rock fin
and on my Twitter feed at guard Goldsmith. And in addition to that,
I have the Substack and I'm taking little video pieces and I'll put them out
at Substack and so on and so forth. The latest one was about Halloween.
There's a second part about that coming out. And I just got asked,
and this is something I want to mention to you, David. I'm
just gonna ask you know how Ian Freeman was convicted and he's going to be
appealing the conviction, but yeah, he's gonna tell people I Freman. They
may not be familiar with a name because it hasn't been covered by the mainstream
media much, but no important precedent that's being set there. Tell people at
Ian Freeman. Well. Ian Freeman and his business partner Mark Edge came up
from Florida with the Free State Project to join fellow libertarians. They moved to
Key, New Hampshire, and they started their radio show decades ago in New
Hampshire. And I was doing a separate radio show in New Hampshire and they
were so kind they invited me over. They said, Hey, how'd you
like to sit in with us on Wednesday nights. I said sure, so
I would go and sit in with them and terrific people. And Ian got
started very early in bigcoin and made amazing profits off it and started his own
Bigcoin exchange and also got some of the big Coin kiosks for people locally,
other Freestate Project members might want to start their own. Ian was prosecuted because
he was dealing with a guy who wanted crypto and that guy was defrauding people,
and they said that Ian wasn't looking closely enough into sort of know your
customer type pattern which are now putting on steroids, and they've ramped this up.
They got three hundred pages of regulations. Congress said, we want you
to do it, but of course the devil is going to be in the
details, and the details are going to be created by the regulatory state and
the IRS has got huge three hundred pages to basically end anonymity for anybody that's
got crypto in any way, shape or form, but also exposing people to
a lot of identity theft risk because that is so pervasive and broad based,
and it also is set up as I think that's one of the reasons they
came after Ian was because they said, well, it's kind of this vague
thing as to whether or not you're able to get this. If you have
the ability to get all this information on people, then you got to do
it. And it's like, well that's kind of vague, that kind of
and so you know, to have that case there with Ian Freeman said,
well, if you don't collect this information, we may at some point in
time determine that you were able and now we're going to give you the Ian
Freeman treatment. Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, And that's one of
the ways. You know, the appeal is going to be very complex.
There's some question as to whether or not this is bitcoin is a security or
a currency, so whether it's the sec it is all confused, and it's
all based again, it's how many angels can dance on the head of a
deadly pin. The pin shouldn't exist, The federal government should had nothing,
absolutely nothing to do with this, and and agents of the state. You
know, if people, if people want to police this, then let them
go ahead and invest in something to police it first. Getting the state involved
means that they're forcing their neighbor to pay for what they think should be necessary
enforcement of something that's immoral perioding. There's nothing that excuses that, and so
Ian has to looks like he has to go to federal prison for eight years.
Right now, he's in a state penitentiary and he can make phone calls
and so on, and so I've gotten a number of phone calls from him
literally from he's in his cell. You can hear it echoing, and he's
talking to me on a tablet. He called yesterday and he has asked me
on Friday nights now, so their free talk live show goes seven days a
week, and he asked me if on Friday nights, I can provide recorded
segments that will go out on the stations that they've connected to to leaver preposition
dangling. That's one hundred and seventy five stations. And yeah, I guess
they're on the GCN network. So yeah, so you know our interviews when
you want to hop on, when Tony Rdiburn wants to hop on, just
had Eric Peters, Yeah, and so yeah, it'll go out. I
think you know it's up to me. They're going to be recorded. It
won't be live, but it is because of you helping to keep me in
the game, and not game, but in this line of work. In
addition to MRCTV that I've been able to do, you know, these little
pieces here and there to just get these get these messages out there, you
know, to get around these these these censorious minds. Uh. Well,
you keep yourself in the game because you keep yourself informed. And I know
you work really hard to do that. And and that's the key thing.
You know, you have a lot of information. People subscribe to your sub
stack. You put out a thing every Sunday night, uh, and and
pick up some key stories and you have a really good sense of a broad
base of stories. And it's not a repetition of what you typically see or
even what I have here. It's it's things that you found on your own
doing a lot of research. So I highly recommend yourself Stack for people as
well. Oh thanks David. And you know, one of the things that
really gets me is when you know you've got allies. Not to stress this
too much, but when you know you've got allies who are helping you out
and who believe in the principles that you believe in. That's the main thing.
It's the principles that you believe in. And what really amazes me is
when I think about the forces that are arrayed against us, and you brought
up NewsGuard and I gave a comment, and you're like, oh, well,
he's the news Guard, you know. And we've got Michael Hayden on
the board of NewsGuard, a man who openly admits to you know, overthrowing
people, to being involved with spying, lying this sort of thing. It's
just incredible to think about the fact that they were getting my tax money and
they were sending MRCTV messages to say, okay, have you know Gardner Goldsmith
respond to us about this article that were If you don't respond to us,
we're gonna claim that it's false. And all they have to do is click
on the hyperlinks that are in my articles and they'll get the information. It's
amazing how many tentacles they've got. I saw something about Sidney Powell, who
has now flipped and well, we don't know if she's flipped or not.
Maybe she flipped a long time ago, but they flipped her lip. But
she was getting you know, even after she said, you know, pleaded
guilty of this, she came back out and still pushing her narrative about the
election. And I noticed in one article there was a guy that she relied
on. There was a former CIA guy, and it's like they've got their
tentacles and everything, pushing these kind of like what Patinna did with this thing.
This guy's pushing stuff to Sidney Powell. Maybe she believed it. I
don't know, but you know, they've got their stuff there. You talk
about Michael Hayden. These are the guys who created the Ayatola command as blowback,
as Ron Paul always talks about. You know, they're constantly doing coups
and assassinations, censorship, fake narratives, and it's just amazing how destructive and
evil they are and how they're everywhere. You know, it's not just a
you know, Operation mocking Bird where they're feeding stuff to Walter Cronkite or whatever.
They're everywhere. They're pushing this stuff to everybody at every level, even
an alternative media, even to somebody like Sydney Powell pushing stuff to her.
So true, so true. And and it's it's funny, David, because
I can get frustrated, and you know, you get angry sometimes when or
one gets angry. Sometimes I do, yeah, you know, okay,
yah yeah. And the other thing about it is, you know, working
in this field. I think a lot of times, especially I'll listen to
a talk radio host in the morning, or you get a Michael Savage who
sort of tone things down. But you know a lot of times bluster and
expression of this anger can gin up better ratings sometimes. Or you know,
sometimes maybe people feel like they have to emote that much more that sort of
thing. And and you don't want to be too manipulative and too self analytic
and things like that. You just want to be yourself. Sometimes you naturally
will get angry. But I get so tired of this shrill you know,
like Mark Levin, I get so tired of these people who oftentimes, if
you were to sit down in conversation with them, you might agree on a
number of things. And and and this is the problem that I see so
often in politics and commentary about politics, where there's a there's this fine line
between attack attack attack and I'd rather win over somebody, and I don't know
where that line is. Many times, you know, to to say,
look, this this person is an enemy, you know, versus how can
I win this person over? But what the people want to see conflict.
And I think that you know, Trump understands that the Democrats understand it,
you know. Martin James Carvell said, well, they're going to impeach Trump.
How do we get this lucky Trump thrives on this persecution and it is
persecurred. Everybody sees that it's unequal application of the law, and he thrives
on it, and he invites it. You know, we just look at
what he's doing in court. You know, the judge says, don't say
anything about me or that people. He says, somebody gets a ten thousand
dollars fine and immediately does it again on true social he wants ten thousand dollars
is nothing to him. You'll make a lot more than that with donations if
everybody gets angry. And so that's a key part of it, is getting
everybody on both sides of this angry. That's why I said, even when
you look at something as horrific as the deliberate mutilation by these terrorists of children
killing them, and and or the the you know, kid with half of
his brain blown out of his skull from a bomb or whatever, you can
get yourself to the point where you can fall into the trap of getting so
emotionally involved in it that and you know, we should be emotionally involved.
We shouldn't be so you know, cold to all this stuff. But we
have to also try to keep our head and say, well, how do
we this is awful? How do we try to minimize this? Right?
Instead of just running off with a bloody shirt and a you know, I'm
going to get even I'm going to get vengeance for this or whatever we have
to under we have to try to pull back and say, all right,
but how do is there anything that we can do to try to minimize this.
I don't really share any good decisions there of what we do about this
stuff, frankly, but I know that you know, if we just get
ourselvesselves ramped up and psyched up to kill the other side, whichever side we
want, that is definitely going to be the wrong way to go. David.
I'm curious, you know, as a as a father who you and
your wife raised children. You know, I've only experienced it as an uncle,
but to how you go about how you went about that balance between showing
the kids the dangerous, the malicious people out there and not getting too wrapped
up in that attack mode when because you want to teach people, you know,
youngsters look that's bad, that behavior is bad. And how you make
sure that they don't get cynical, they don't get jaded as you're giving them
these examples, because there's so many examples throughout history. I'm sure a lot
of that has to do with faith in God, I would assume, but
I you know, I don't know if I'm expressing it right, David.
But I was just thinking about it as I was watching you, and I
thought, gee, you know, you've raised kids. You've done such a
great job as a father and your wife as a mother, And I think
to myself, you know, to allow the children to see the dark side
and not become cynical, to know, hey, watch out, this is
bad stuff. Well, you know, I don't know it is it is
difficult to not become cynical. But I think another part of it is is
that we have to we have to focus on positive things, right, and
if all we do is look at negative things. This is one of the
reasons why when I go through the news, I really do feel compelled to
get preachy, as Keith called it. You know, I feel like I
got to give people some good news and some good hope, and there really
is a good hope out there, and it's not all doom and gloom,
you know. So there's evil, but we don't have desperation, you know.
And all around us there's darkness and evil, but we don't have to
be overcome by that. And so we overcome evil with good. And one
of the ways that we do that is by focusing on what is good and
pure and right and just. And that is a real healing thing to us,
better than any psilocybin, mushrooms or anything else. Is to look at
what is true and just and eternal. And we have to focus on that.
And and that's why, you know, when I talk about this stuff,
and I have to do it for my own benefit, because I can't
look at this abyss on a day to day basis as much as I do,
and you know, it would just drive me nuts if I didn't have
something that was good and pure to look at. And so I don't want
to leave people without anything any good news when we look at all this bad
news. That's y's that's that's well stated. You know. It's funny,
David. We have some neighbors who were they moved into this area before my
family did, about a year before, and They had an old farmhouse and
named the Driscolls. And they had three kids, all before before born before
I and they were more of my brother and sister's age. My sister's five
years my elder, my brother seven years my elder. And you make me
think about I went to visit mister and missus Driscoll recently, and they were
always just one wonderful hosts. They were just great. You know, you'd
go over playing baseball in the little field that they had that no longer had
crops on it and most of it, but you know, we'd be playing
softball or whatever and going sledding down the hill and that sort of stuff.
And mister Driscoll actually did cartooning for NASA during the Apollo mission. He was
part of their like pr team and stuff. Very very good artist, and
he brought out drawings that he had done of us as kids playing baseball.
Cartoon, yeah, little spoofy cartoons with the dog chasing running away with the
ball and things like that. And he had been in the military, and
I mean he was in his nineties. He was in Korea, and you
think about some of the terrible things that those people saw. You know,
my dad was in World War Two, he saw man burned to death in
Australian pilot burned to death inside his plane on the tarmac, and my dad
went to try to get him out. My dad was burning his hands.
He couldn't he couldn't get the conckpit open. And you think about some of
these terrible things that people see and yet they find the positive and it's through
well, I would hope that it's through their soul and recognizing who is there
behind it all. And just a little while ago, so I went to
visit the Driscolls and it was like it was like a second hadn't gone by,
and I was in their house and enjoying the smells and the sense walking
across that doorstep that I had walked across so many times as a kid,
and I saw mister Driscoll. He was going to be going in for heart
surgery, and so he did and he got out, but unfortunately he passed
away just a few weeks ago. So we were at the memorial service,
and I was on Saturday, and I thought about how when they found out
that there was a new house that was built just through the woods behind their
house, mister Driscoll got a lawnmower and he cut away branches and stuff,
and he created a path so that we could walk over to the house because
he knew, yeah, he knew there were going to be kids there,
and he maintained it and then our eventually our footsteps maintained it. And there
were other friends beyond that, five kids, and we had gangs of kids,
just so much fun, you know, flashlight tag and all sorts of
stuff. And I said, and so we were at we're out there at
their at their Methodist church, and I got up to say something at the
memorial Saturday. They asked if anybody would like to come up, and I
said, you know, mister Driscoll had an artistic eye and he somehow he
could see that landscape in the woods and he could see a trail. I
was like, but he saw a greater trail. He saw a trail that
was given to us by Christ, and it was It just made me think
about that, if you can just see that trail, you're on the you're
on the path, you know, and and it's okay. So anyway,
well that's what a great story that is. Before we run out of time.
I know that you are a writer as well, and you've got a
book that is coming up. Has it been published it or is it still
coming up? Well, yeah, interestingly enough, you know, as we
come towards Halloween. So I have three novellas that are out. One is
called Bite and that's about a vampire hunter in Las Vegas. It's sort of
a cold check the night Stalker takeoff. Then there's Wall, which is crypto
archaeology about a Great Wall of China before ten thousand years before the Great Wall
of China. And there's another one called Fishing, and that's a dark mass
murderer on the loose in western Massachusetts in the seventies pot just around the end
of the hippie era, and that's got a lot of dark stuff in it,
so if people are they want to be careful, and that's some violent
scenes in that. But the sequel to Bite has been done for ages.
And I actually had a book contract that was the one where it was.
It was actually Swin Publishing Sam Hayne as some people might call it, so
as we come to Halloween, it's appropriate, and it was a mid size
publishing company. But they wanted me to split my writing name from my political
name, and I said why would I do that. I'm not going to
do that, So I declined the contract and it has not been published.
So there's that, which is the sequel to Bite the novella. And then
I have this other one called Team Miser, which I actually started in nineteen
eighty four when I was a student at Boston University. I came up with
this idea that the Tea was an evil underground dystopian empire, and it was
it had gas that was making people ride to the end of the line,
sort of like he will ride foreverneath the streets of Boston. He's the man
who never returned. You know, Charlie the guy, and their cards are
actually their Tea cards. Their passes are called Charlie cards. They got those
ever getting off this thing? See yeah, yeah, Kingston Trio. So
so that's called Team Miser and it happens in nineteen eighty eight, and Mike
Ducoccus is a dystopian bad guy who's trying to take over the planet by getting
everybody out of their regular cars into attaining public transportation. And I came up
with it. I didn't have the idea for like, you know how they
had cash for clunkers. Well, I had that concept in there in nineteen
eighty eight. I started writing this novel in nineteen eighty eight, the Team
Isser novel, and he's called Team Miser, like heat Miser and snow Miser.
They miser their tokens. They won't pay their tokens because they have fingerprints
on them and they track them. So so I had this idea that,
yeah, they will give everybody a pass for the public transit because he wants
everybody on public transit. It's infused with gas and hypnotizes everybody to love the
government. And they'll have people trade in their gas guzzling carbon mission cars for
these public transit things. And I was thinking about that in nineteen eighty eight,
right, but I didn't have a title for it. Wait ahead of
your time, that's great. Oh yeah, it's nuts. And so when
they had the cash for clunkers, I came up. I wrote after the
fact, I went back in and call it tea for trashers, the Tea
Pass, the Boston Tea Pass. It's t for trashers. So the guy
comes back, Yeah, this The main character comes back from vacation and his
girlfriend has sold his car. He's like, I gotta get to work.
Where's my car? She's like, I sold it, man, you got
a t pass? Like, yeah, that's that's that's where we're headed.
For sure, we're almost out of time. Tell everybody where they can find
you, and again, I would also recommend people to go to the Knights
of the Storm dot com and they'll see schedules for Guard for this show,
for many shows as well as their many shows. But tell people where they
can find you again, Guard. Okay, yeah, well, first thing
I'll say I'm mentioned again. It looks like tonight I will and night I'll
be going live at Liberty Conspiracy as I do every Monday through Friday, starting
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