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Joining us now is we'll do a
change away from this topic. Guard Goldsmith.

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Great to talk to you, Guard, thank you for joining us,

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Thanks for having me on David and
terrific conversations. I agree with you one.

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Well, I won't throw you into
that briar patch. But no,

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you know, you know, I
was just sitting here having my moulick meat

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and meal worm on the side meal
and I just thought I got to join

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the future. I don't know,
it's just I need to learn all this

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new stuff. Hey. By the
way, I just wanted to compliment you

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again for bringing up I literally had
this right next to me when you brought

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up cold case Christianity. I got
it because of you, so thank you

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so much. You've done so much
to help me. And well that's that's

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Jay Warner Wallace who did that.
He did a great job, and he

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had an interesting journey to get to
that point, really wise, a very

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interesting book and got there. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking at this.

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Why they really do want to sent
to some kind of a soilent green thing,

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isn't it? Isn't it amazing how
they just take all these science fiction

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movies and they start implementing them.
Whether it's yeah, I Went Green or

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nineteen eighty four or Brave New World. I mean, it's crazy. It's

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crazy. They disconnect you from the
natural world and how you might feed yourself

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and getting connected to the soil and
getting attention to your neighbors, and as

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you were talking about with the psychedelics, disconnecting from God and changing your biochemical

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state in such a way that you're
actually connected to a shaman to do something

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about that. It's just it's it's
crazy. And you know, to bring

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it up, you talked about that
that prime spree, the murder spree in

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Maine, and whether or not the
man was on psychoactive drugs. It's that's

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nobody's really talking about that. So
why isn't that part of the conversation.

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And isn't it interesting that when the
Washington Post says, you know, so

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these these psychedelics connect with a serotonin
and we don't really know what's going on

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there, It's like, yeah,
and you're not interested in finding out as

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long as it's the big pharmaceutical companies
doing it. You might question it when

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it is coming up with something as
a competitor to the pharmaceutical companies, like

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magic mushrooms, but you're not interested
in it. When it's their SSRIs that's

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doing it, they don't talk about
it at all, right, right,

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And as you said, there's a
difference between mandating and compelling people not to

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take these things to the force of
the state, engaging in aggression to tell

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people don't do that, and preaching
to people just offering, offering what I

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think is a good way to go
and you might want to try this.

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And you know, I worked in
a bookstore for many years part time,

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and we carried a lot of the
alcoholics anonymous recovery material, the books,

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the recovery medallions for their twenty four
hours, the one month and so on.

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So a lot of the anonymous guys
would actually come in and I'd have

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great conversations with them, learning about
so many of the patterns that emerged in

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the conversations. Now say, you
know, I talked to this other guy,

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is that similar with you? And
it was always the things that I

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learned are actually very applicable to anybody, even if they don't have the classic,

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you know, termed addictive problems,
which is that they would typically look

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at their opportunity to ingest some sort
of a drug and get away from things

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as their opportunity. It's their chance. They've sacrificed so much. Now it's

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my time to get away. So
a mother would go into the car and

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drink or or you know, do
something like taking heroin or something like that,

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because they just felt that this is
my time to withdraw and get away

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and this is my release valve.
And I found that that. You know,

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I think a lot of us feel
those sorts of feelings. It's just

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if you've got those, especially if
you've got that tendency, how do you

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guard against that and protect yourself and
make it a fruitful thing to release a

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little bit of pressure? How do
you do it in a positive way?

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Can you help somebody else while you're
doing it and have fun? Right and

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you learn something? Yeah, you
know, we can do that in a

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lot of different ways. I mean
we can get we can escape by watching

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TV or movies or sports or something
like that. Or we can get obsessed

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with it. You know, we
can make it so that all we do

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is sit there and watch TV.
Now we're not living our life or we've

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lost our life because we're sitting there
on the couch in front of television.

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All the time, especially you know
with sports, somebody can become a real

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sports fanatic or they can. There's
nothing inherently wrong with it unless it becomes

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this thing that you lean on because
it's an escape, out of out of

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life. And then when it's this
thing that you're trying to escape escape with

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it and it kind of takes over
your life, that's when it becomes bad.

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And of course that can be anything. It could be food, you

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know, it could be it could
be anything in your life. As it

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starts to dominate and take over your
life and take you out of life,

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at that point it becomes evil.
But yeah, you're you're right. We're

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not trying to even things that that
I would think are harmful. I'm not

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trying to get the government to ban
them, except as I said, the

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m RNA, because I believe that's
an outright poisonou kill shot. But in

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general, I don't believe in prohibition, and I'm not trying to get any

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force anybody into a particular religion or
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I don't want the government doing that
either, because what happens is the government

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winds up destroying that church that it
joins. It joins the church and then

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destroys the church. And we know
people like that too, you know,

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but so true, so true.
Look what they've done with marriage for goodness

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sake, you know. And thank
you again for about a year ago reading

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that piece that I wrote about marriage
on substack. You know, don't put

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the state before God when it comes
to marriage, you know, going into

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the history of it and how they
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It's supposed to be a religious ceremony. And if you're going to get

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the government defining what marriage is and
you're going to have command and control,

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central control of things, you're not
going to get what you want because the

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people who are going to be in
charge won't be the people eventually that you

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want to be in charge. Right, And rig is a good example.

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It really is a good example of
the mixture of church and state because it

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was a religious thing and then the
government gets involved in it. The next

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thing, you know, government has
defined it and defined it in a way

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to match with their religion of secular
humanism, for example, and then prohibited

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all other form all other opinions about
marriage and so and that's what they do

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in a broad sense on any kind
of religion. When you have the government

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getting into a religion, they're going
to wind up taking in an direction that

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you probably don't want. Yeah,
yeah, And you know, it reminds

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me actually of that. It's that
that statement from nineteenth century the nineteenth century

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economist Frederick Bossia political philosopher, where
he said the state is that great fiction

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by which everyone endeavors to live off
of everyone else. And as perhaps says

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this, some folks want to celebrate
Halloween. It is very vampiric, and

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uh, you know, it's it's
it is. It's an interesting thing because

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it removes people because they think everything's
being decided in this sandbox. Every More

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stuff, more toys have been thrown
into the sandbox, and they don't see

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that it comes at the expense of
their neighbor. It comes at their expense.

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They say that is coming as at
their expense. So I have to

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dive into I have to decide how
this is going to be steered. I've

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got to get aboard this ship,
and no, I don't want it.

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This is the moral culpability that is
the problem. You know, we've discussed

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on my streaming show. We've discussed
Israel and Hamas, and I constantly hear,

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especially conservative talk radio hosts, they're
saying, well, what are we

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going to do about it? And
it's the all inclusive government statist WI.

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It's like, no, I don't
want to be part of your Wii.

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Why are you taking the Royal Wii
and claiming that somehow it represents me?

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This is and I mentioned on my
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bomber, the one of the very
few who actually was a terrorist that they

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got a number of years ago.
Who's gonna yet a car? And they

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ended up placing the explosives that the
guy thought that he was going to blow

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up in Times Square, not New
York Times, Times Square, and they

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asked him, how do you plead? And he said, I'm almost quoting

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verbatim. He said, guilty,
guilty, a thousand times guilty. And

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if the US government continues to do
what it is doing in the Middle East,

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more American civilians are going to die
because they buy into the same canard

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that we do. It's the royal
we that they've translated from you know,

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old royal days where the monarch was
le tete samois. I am the state

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to now you are all the state. It's all wonderful, it's kumbaya,

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it's we and they've wrapped their arms
around you through force. I don't just

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leave me alone. I don't want
to be molested. Just leave me alone.

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I don't need Joe Biden sniffing my
well. I don't have any hair.

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But you know what I mean.
Yeah, it's you know, we

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look at all the different things that
the US government does. I don't want

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that imputed to me. Yeah,
that's not my policy. I don't support

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that. I didn't vote for that, and I don't I don't agree with

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that in any way, shape or
form. And yet that is that is

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the big issue, and so we
need to understand the same thing about other

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people. That's what I said from
the very beginning. You understand that the

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things that are done by the Israeli
government to the Israeli people using them as

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labrass, but also to the Gaza
people, that is not to be imputed

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to all the people living in Israel. The same thing goes of Hamas and

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the things that it does not to
be imputed to all the people living in

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Gaza. Just as I don't want
you know what Biden does or Trump does

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imputed to me, you know.
I mean, if that were the case,

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since we created this vaccine, I
guess everybody would be justified in terms

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of wiping America off the face of
the earth because we sew those shots around

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the world. I mean, it's
crazy when you look at it, but

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we have to understand, you know, what's really going on. But everybody's

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getting their blood loss up, you
know. And I see they brought journalists

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over to Israel, and Joel Pollock
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they took over to to show and
he was just you know, people were

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throwing up when they showed them the
pictures of what have been done to people.

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I understand that. And I wanted
to throw up when I saw the

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pictures of what bombs had done to
a little kid in Gaza. But you

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understand that it's not the visceral effect. We got to try to distance ourselves

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from that somehow and say, how
do we break this cycle of violence?

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How do we get a lid on
this thing instead of escalating it. And

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everybody on both sides seems to want
to escalate this, and they don't want

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to go back and look at the
long term agenda that we've had for decades

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with the US and with Israel as
well, with Neahu. We got to

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get Iran, you know that is
It's like, okay, so that's really

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what you're you're pushing us for.
You got this geopolitical goal, and you're

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going to use us as expendable for
your geopolitical goal. And you don't care

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how many of your own citizens dying. You certainly don't care about the citizens

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in the other countries. As a
matter of fact, you take that as

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a victory, not you know,
when you kill other people in other countries.

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Yeah, And you know, it's
interesting. I look at it almost

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like a combination of pretzel logic and
convoluted circus performing where they'll they have all

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these various convolutions and they're very subtle. So for example, they the US

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government will insert federal troops, US
troops without any declaration of war on the

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ground in Israel. They'll put them
on the ground in Poland. And in

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Poland, Joe Biden actually acknowledges to
one hundred and first airborne You'll you'll find

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out about the Ukrainians. Oh that's
right, some of you guys have already

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been there. Oh really, I
didn't know that you were. You had

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them on the ground in Ukraine.
Now you told us. And then we

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have John Kirby talking about how well
the advisors of the US military, you

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know, they put it in air
quotes. I suppose the advisors of the

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US military who are on the ground
in Israel they have a right to defend

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themselves. But even that is is
it's a circumlocution of what is really the

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rights because and I've mentioned this to
people before, I said, listen,

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do they really have a right to
Sure, they have the right to protect

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themselves, But if they're there illegitimately
on somebody else's dime, and the weapons

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that they have they didn't buy themselves, then what right exactly are they exercising

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over there? You know? Are
they are they? I mean, if

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a mafia sends one of its mob
guys to a new city with guns that

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they got through shaking down some of
the local people in Brooklyn, does that

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man then have the right to use
the fruits of ill gotten gains? Or

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is there a moral question there?
You know? And I think there are

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major moral questions even in that sort
of typical phraseology that we hear from people

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where they say, well, they
obviously have a right there. Well,

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you're not questioning the fact that you
put them there illegitimately. And if we're

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looking at the weapons that they've got, what if I don't want to pay

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for their weapons? And that goes
to the weapons even if the people of

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the United States aren't there, If
we're looking at the weapons that they send

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over, well, take a look
at Syria. Talk about justification. Okay,

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we could be invited into Israel,
and I'm sure they would love to

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have additional troops in there to work
with them. We were not invited into

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Syria. We invaded Syria, we
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we've had US jets do attacks today
and they said they were retaliatory. Retaliatory

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for what retaliatory because we invaded they
attacked us in response to that, and

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so now, oh, now we're
justified to escalate that. That is the

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key issue, and we have done
that over and over again. And so

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when you look at what is happening, Seria is a good example. They've

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got their agenda what they want to
do with oil. They got their agenda

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with what they want to do with
oil, with Iran as well as with

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Iran's power base. And so this
is about the geopolitics. This is about

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the long term animal stay between Iran
and the US that goes back to the

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nineteen fifties when we overthrew their elected
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But of course, in America,
we just think it was you know,

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the Shaw was always there. He
wasn't put in by us. We don't

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know that the CIO was training his
secret police, and we don't care or

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know anything about the about what he
was doing to the people there. And

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then just all of a sudden,
for no apparent reason, there's this radical

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Islamic regime that gets installed and they
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they hate us. Yeah, my
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knowledge of the foreground to all of
it. So I came in with exactly

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those thoughts. I thought, why
why do they hate Americans? You know,

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why is it that they've done this? Oh? I just must,

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I must make sure that I don't
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from Iran. She goes, well, you know it used to be called

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Persia, Like, what are you
talking about if I was a kid,

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and I was like, why,
she goes, well, let me tell

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you what happened. And I'm like, oh, I see okay. And

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you know, David, it's interesting, as you mentioned it, because they

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have all these subtle means to you
know, that there's so many perverse incentives

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anytime that a government institution or something
removed from individuals claims power. So we've

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got the jabs, we've got the
pharmachia, we've got the perverse incentives to

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gin the system and make sure that
their money goes towards promoting a particular so

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called public health agenda. And as
you brought up, there is no such

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thing as public health as individual health. So anytime you remove it from the

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individual or free association and you're applying
mandates and so on to people, there's

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an incentive for people to get in
to have those mandates steer to their benefit.

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Obviously rent seeking in economics, right, And we see the same thing

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with the military industrial complex, whether
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further away, and the founders really
understood this, you know, they wanted

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small, decentralized localities really running their
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you know, the lessons from Exodus
are very clear. If you look at

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before they had a king, you
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They had the tribes, they had
the families, they had the elders and

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the families who were the adjudicators.
It's much like ancient Ireland, much like

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ancient Iceland. They had these locales, localities, and it was mostly reputation.

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It wasn't statutes from the state thrown
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that this is the sort of thing
that a lot of people they just just

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sort of blithely go along with it
because they think that they've got these protective

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machines in the government, and the
machines are just they're designed to get taken

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over by people who will take advantage
of them, whether it's the so called

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defense industry or not. You know, we've got a woman running for governor.

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Yeah, a woman running for governor
right now named Kelly Aott here in

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New Hampshire. Former US senator.
I used to see her around she was

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the state attorney general. I used
to see her in a panera bread up

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in the state, you know,
the capital. And so she was a

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senator for a while. She get
knocked out by a Democrat. She's part

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of the Rhino complex. She was
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at the same time I believe that
she was on the board of Fox News.

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Yeah yeah, she went out there
big military industrial corporation. Yeah,

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yeah, exactly. So there are
all these perverse incentives that we don't realize.

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go back to what you were talking
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You know, for a number of
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to learn this lesson, and I'm
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I think you and I discussed this
once before, you know, having worked

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in television. I was at the
Paramount Studios when I worked at Star Trek

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Voyager, and I really learned lesson
coming from television. And here's that there's

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this fine line between consuming entertainment as
a minor distraction and understanding that it is

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a distraction and living, yeah,
living that entertainment world completely removed. Yes,

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I think with the with the pervasive

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nature of media, I was one
of those people who I just I thought,

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I live in New Hampshire, but
I can go to Los Angeles,

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I can write, I can do
all these things. And it took me

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a while to really understand that lesson, that entertainment is just a minor distraction

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and you can't constantly live in escapism. And I really got the lesson just

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recently. I was watching one of
the old reruns of Mission Impossible, and

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afterwards. I thought, you know, those look like the buildings they were

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pretending it was like Poland or something
like that, you know, but you

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could tell this was a Los Angeles
and and they had Greg Morris and the

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guy, the big guy. They're
they were setting up something in a van,

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some of the Mission Impossible members.
It's from the sixties, and yeah,

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you know, and and they're pulling
up the they pull up on this

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street and you know it's somewhere and
you know, just around the corner from

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a sound stage or whatever. Now, because I worked at Star Trek,

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right and so I thought to myself, gee, I wonder if that's Paramount.

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pull into this alcove and it literally
was an alcove that was just below my

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window at Paramount, and it's this
it's a strange. Yeah, it's a

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weird thing because then you start to
realize how many generations of people have gone

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through that particular feel to work and
just you know, they've gotten a contract.

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They're doing a show, like a
guy doing a contract to build a

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house or lay down pavement or whatever
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place where you can do work.
People invested in putting up the buildings.

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People come and go, they do
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any other theater. And as I've
gotten older, I've become I've become much

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more aware of how easily you can
get drawn into considering that artificial world to

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be real. Yeah, you know, and so now I'll be really careful

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about with virtual reality because it's becoming
hyper real and yeah, it's going to

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be so controlling to people. That's
that's funny. Now, you were the

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Paramount Studios in California, that's where
you were, and yeah, yeah,

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and I wish Star Trek Generation were
you working with? Was it? I

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was at Star Trek Voyager and yeah, yeah, in fact, my claim

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to fame. I never got my
name on the credits because I was always

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so low on the total. But
my claim to fame is that. And

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I hate to say this. I
hate to say this because Donald Trump.

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It's Operation warp Drive. But yeah, I don't have the hair. But

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I'm the guy who saved warp Drive. So what happened was they had this

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season of Star Trek Voyager. You
know, the concept, the premise for

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Voyager was that this crew of this
Enterprise ship got teleported to some distant quadrant

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of the universe where nobody had ever
gone, and it was going to take

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them years and years to get back. So they were having this adventure,

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a sort of lost in space sort
of thing. They'd encounter new you know,

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new explorations as they worked their way
back, and so they wanted to

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sort of speed things up. They
didn't they the time that they estimated at

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maximum warp drive to get back to
the Federation space, it was gonna be

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like six years, and like,
we're not sure the show is gonna last

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that long. Let's see we go
faster, Like glad you're not operating an

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e you know, I gotta pause
here and recharge it. This planet.

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You know, I see Jennifer grand
Holmes is taking up all the spots.

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I don't know what's going on.
So so there they had this story where

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they had an alien who gave them
this thing called slipstream drive. And again,

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this is how you know. It's
it's entertaining and it's kind of fun.

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It's sort of like talking about if
you're a baseball card collector or you

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know, oh I got this first
edition of the Rolling Stones record or whatever.

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You know, it's it's entertainment and
it's fun. But then you get

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to realize, like, okay,
that's just a narrative and it's just fun

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to talk about it. You know, it's like talking about your favorite you

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know, Jules Verne's story or something
like that. It's entertaining and hopefully you

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can draw a lesson from it.
And that's really what I've been learning,

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as I mentioned with you before.
But so I'm literally the Writer's Guild fellow

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and I'm like nobody. I've been
there for like two days. Nobody even

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knows who I am. And uh
so I'm sitting there hearing them talk about,

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well, yeah, we've got this
alien and it's gonna be called slipstream

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drive, and it's gonna be so
much faster than warp speed. I was

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like, well, at the end
of this show, they're going to get

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back to the Federation, they're still
going to have this technology. So that

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means like this classic thing warp is
now going to be gone. They're going

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to get rid of it and they'll
have this. So I didn't know what

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to say because I wasn't really in
a position to talk and say, excuse

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me, you can't you know,
nobody knew who I was, right,

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Barraga. He's the guy who created the

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Borg and he's a pretty pro liberty
guy. I had lunch with him a

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few years ago. Nice guy,
and and so Brandon, I wait.

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I went out. We left the
meeting. It was all the writers are

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all together in this thing they called
the Brake Session, and I was up

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at the board. I was the
guy who had to write down all the

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ideas as we broke it down to
acts and scenes. So they're going through

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it and and so I didn't mention
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at the end of the meeting,
I waited because I knew Brandon Brogo would

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be the last guy to come out. So Brandon Barga comes out. He's

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one of the producers, and I
say, he brand that was a good

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meeting because yeah, yeah, which
think And I was like, yeah,

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it was good. I was like, oh, by the way, that

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flip stream drive thing. He goes
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mean that when the ship gets back
for the Federation warp drive won't be used

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in Star Trek from now on.
He's like, oh, we got to

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fix that, and like, yes, you do have to fix it.

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like wag the dog, you know,

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or yeah, we got this president, we're going to bring him back.

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Oh we can't have this guy come
back. Goes kill old shoe shoe people

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are throwing their shoes up. That
was the funniest Well, it was funny

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that both sides knew that this thing
was just a made up narrative, and

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so they're they're releasing information to change
the narrative on the other side to their

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advantages. They're going through this made
up narrative. That's that was quite a

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quite a movie. You know,
it reminds me when you're talking about that,

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I know, we went out when
the kids were my sons were really

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small. We went out to Tahoe
and uh and and I had that feeling

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that it was really strange because you
know, I'd grown up with Bonanza and

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it was in the on the back
in the background on Sunday nights and stuff

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like that, you know, And
so I would see it and we're driving

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around there and it's like, wow, the sense of deja vu that I've

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been here before was really amazing.
Of Course the kids didn't have it because

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they didn't know what it looked like, you know, but it was this

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area where they had filmed it,
and you know, watched it for years

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and years when I was a kid, and then all of a sudden,

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I'm there and it was it was
like being on the set, although it

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was there had been shooting it on
the natural area. I understood it is

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weird. I had a similar experience. UH. In another instance, my

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buddy used to UH. He was
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and he had a dog, and
so when I would finish work,

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I would go over to visit with
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and he would leave the television on
for the dog. And so I went

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in and typically when I got there, Bonanza would be on and it was

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one of those old, you know, like first season bonanzas of black and

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white. It was mostly sound stage
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you know, with the with the
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I just get a feeling they shot
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I don't know why, Like,
there's no reason to think that it's just

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in a sound stage. So I
waited to the end. Sure enough,

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it was shot at Paramount, probably
in the same sound stage where I was

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walking around, where they had built
the Star Trek Voyager, you know,

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toy to play in. And it
really is. It's you know. The

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interesting thing about it was the first
couple of seasons they shot it on a

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sound stage, but then they would
do some outside shots in that area,

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and then they decided, well,
let's let's build the real thing out there,

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and you know, they built a
purpose built house and eventually Laurren Green

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and Dan Blocker and Michael Lannon all
got involved in terms of a part ownership

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for this thing. They set up
for tourists and stuff like that, but

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actually did have a ponderosa that they
built, physically built it, and they

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built in different areas where they could
hide the camera. You know, already

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got the shots that are built into
this actual building, but because they had

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been shooting it on the sound stage
for a couple of years, they had

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to put the same background up,
so that kind of like a sound stage

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behind the actual pondurosa that they built
for continuity effect. I don't know that

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anybody would have really noticed it,
but they did it anyway. And I

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guess life imitating art or something like
that. But yeah, you're right.

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It really is about moderation, you
know, just because somebody is not going

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to become an alcoholic if they take
a drink if they can do it in

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moderation, and so everything is about
that. Entertainment can be that way,

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00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.200
food can be that way. Everything
needs to be in moderation. That's a

408
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.319
real challenge to all of us,
and we all have a different challenge in

409
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.559
different things. And of course,
on the other side of it, even

410
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.119
when we're talking about food, we
have people who are trying to manipulate us

411
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:08.279
into not doing it in moderation.
You know, the food suppliers. They

412
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.400
load that stuff up so that you
don't do it in moderation. You know,

413
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.000
it keeps you unsatisfied and looking for
more, you know. And I

414
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:22.839
was thinking about the lessons of the
pharmacia, not to actually cure problems and

415
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:27.759
cure maladies, but to give you
things that cover up the maladies and then

416
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.279
extend the maladies. And I'm beginning
to think that it's not just who is

417
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:38.240
going to what party or what the
nation state is going to win here or

418
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:44.160
win there. I'm almost getting the
sense that this these decades and decades since

419
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World War Two, of all of
these different flare ups here and there.

420
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.000
It's almost as if the military industrial
complex knows they want to continue to push

421
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:57.079
conflict, but only up to a
certain point, because if they go beyond

422
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that point, then they have to
move literally, you know, they would

423
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.359
get lots of production and so on
and so forth, but they reach a

424
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:08.960
threshold where the where the economy would
be so bad off that I think almost

425
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.559
as if they've they've realized that they
can sustain themselves at the maximum point.

426
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.319
And this is just my theory.
I'm just I was thinking about it last

427
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.160
night. I was like, I
wonder if they know that if they just

428
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:26.599
continually to have things simmer just below
World War that that's their best profit margin

429
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.519
right there, you know. And
I don't know. I mean, I

430
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.599
could be completely wrong, but you
know, you see the way things are

431
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.240
bubbling up there in the Middle East. Oh, Hesbola is going to get

432
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.359
involved and then attack Iran and that
sort of stuff, and it couldn't lead

433
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:45.079
to World War III, perhaps or
maybe they'll pull back and then a few

434
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.839
years from now, well they'll do
it again. And of course we've got

435
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:55.359
to have more increasing money going to
the military industrial complex and perpetuate those bases

436
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.200
rather than having a complete world war
that ends up, you know, moving

437
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.880
all the chess pieces around once more. They just keep their chess pieces on

438
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.960
there rather than having everything removed.
They slowly advanced into our lives. I

439
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.920
don't know, it's just speculation,
yeah, And of course that all comes

440
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:17.160
from standpoint of their arrogance that they
are in complete control. Yeah, and

441
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.440
they aren't. You know, they
might get right up to that line and

442
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.519
then things get a little bit out
of control. You know, we're talking

443
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.759
about it. The other day.
One person questioned it. I said,

444
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.039
you know, it looks like we're
at deaf Con two. There isn't any

445
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.160
Yeah, there's not a public description
of that. Most people agree that after

446
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:37.440
the involvement in Ukraine, it took
us to def Con three. Deaf Con

447
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.400
two is the next level up.
I don't know if what's going on in

448
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.599
the Middle East it takes us to
deaf Con level two or not. But

449
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.839
if those are general consensus that we
were at deaf Con three with what was

450
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:53.640
going on with Ukraine, this whole
Middle East thing looks like it is quite

451
00:30:53.640 --> 00:31:00.519
a bit more volatile and dangerous from
a global perspective. I think I agree

452
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.200
with you, and you might have
heard I think the categories with you too.

453
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:10.720
She's just entered the studio. I
agree with you, and you know.

454
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:19.039
It troubles me greatly to see the
way that you can't criticize the policies

455
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:25.440
of the State of Israel without being
accused of being anti Semitic. You can't

456
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:32.559
criticize the United States government overthrow of
the Ukrainian government that was elected there in

457
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.599
late twenty thirteen, and then the
imposition through Victoria Neulan and Jeffrey piet and

458
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:41.079
all the others. And it amazes
me that you've got these fatuous characters like

459
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:47.160
Lindsey Graham talking about how they support
Israel. In the meantime, he's literally

460
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.920
in photographs with old A Tiani Bak
of the Slovoda Party of Ukraine, who

461
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.920
is a Nazi, I mean in
avowed Nazi. Literally, it's just and

462
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.240
that's not anti Semitic, mister Graham, please come on, you know,

463
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.359
it's amazing. You got Amy Klobashar
in photographs with them, Joe Biden shaking

464
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.160
his hand, John McCain not only
meeting with guys who formed the almostra Front

465
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:14.839
when they were in Turkey. They've
got those photographs of them standing out there

466
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.559
in a bright, clear day out
there in the desert. But you've got

467
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:22.440
him in photographs with Johnny bok Uh. It's it's just amazing, you know.

468
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:30.559
And it the thing that that I
often consider, David, is,

469
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.640
you know, they say that this
is for our defense and so on.

470
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.599
I would prefer that they actually operate
according to their oath to the Constitution.

471
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.200
If they think there's the cat,
sorry, the cat is very eager.

472
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:50.279
It's warm here, she wants to
go outside. So anyway, you know,

473
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.799
I'd rather rather than coming up with
all these flimsy excuses that they're defending

474
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:59.319
America and that if they don't continue
to give weapons to Israel, Israel will

475
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:04.000
somehow when they've been giving them three
point eight billion dollars of weapons a year

476
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:08.960
for years. I'd rather just be
disconnected and protect myself. And you know,

477
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.799
you talked a little bit about that
story out of Maine, and it's

478
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.319
it's not that far from my home. And when I look at the forces

479
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.839
of government on a on a regional
level in the United States or state level

480
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:30.240
in the United States, and I
think about what they do to disarm us

481
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:36.559
and make us more vulnerable here against
criminals, it is it blows me away.

482
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:43.359
I've got even conservatives now on talk
radio here are saying first first,

483
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.480
they're saying, well, you know, they seem to think that everybody in

484
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.720
Maine is carrying a weapon, right, which is absurd. Right with Governor

485
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.640
Janet Mills there, they've got a
lot of people who moved up there,

486
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.920
especially from Massachusetts. It's not old
time Maine. Yeah, there's a lot

487
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.200
of wilderness there, but if you
go to a lot of the cities,

488
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:06.519
they've gone very purple. The other
thing about it is that the place where

489
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:12.360
that man committed his murders and alleged
but you know the people died this particular

490
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.440
man is alleged to have committed these
murders was a bowling alley and a bar,

491
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:22.519
and the bowling alley serves beer.
I looked up their website. Maine

492
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:30.280
has a statute that prohibits anyone who
owns a bar or any place that's serving

493
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:36.079
alcohol from allowing anybody into their premises
to carry a firearm. That's an infringement

494
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.559
on property right since the infringement on
the freedom of contract, and it's an

495
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.880
infringement on the right to keep him
bare arms in all those areas. So

496
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:50.480
this guy picked soft targets and no
one had firearms there. So that's the

497
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:57.280
first lesson. Then the second lesson
is I'm hearing conservatives. Actually they're insinuating

498
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.079
that, well, this man had
mental s stability problems. He threatened people

499
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.440
on the military base, So why
wasn't somebody taking away his farm arms?

500
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.559
Like you're a conservative. Now you're
talking like Donald Trump, and we do

501
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.119
the due process later, which isn't
due process at all. Now you're actually

502
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.880
saying, without the terminology, red
flagged the guy. How about this.

503
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.199
If he threatened people, you charge
him with criminal threatening and then you put

504
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.880
him in jail and you have a
trial about that, and you say,

505
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.599
yeah, so did he threaten people? You know, what's his motivation for

506
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.360
that? Oh he's crazy? Also, okay, well we'll deal with that

507
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:37.480
as well. Yeah, exactly,
you give him due process and so it

508
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.599
just like with hate crimes. I'm
hearing conservatives now, especially in New England

509
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.119
because it's so close to home,
people are talking about how well something's got

510
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.000
to be done. Well, if
something had to be done, clearly there

511
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.599
was a problem with the guy.
If there was a problem with the guy,

512
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.519
he's either bad enough to be put
in jail and you can prosecute him,

513
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.840
or he's not. That's it.
You put him on trial. And

514
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.480
if you don't have him in jail, then clearly you think he's safe enough

515
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.440
to be out on the streets.
Yeah. Yeah, And of course,

516
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.679
you know, besides the alcohol being
there and it's it's not legal for them

517
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.639
to take it. They had a
sign at the bowling alley, you know,

518
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.760
right above the sign that says choose
your weapon. They said, don't

519
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.119
bring your firearm in and it's like, choose your weapon you want a small

520
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.119
bowling ball, you want a big
bowling ball. You want to a small

521
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:27.239
caliber or a big caliber. Choose, but don't bring your weapon in here.

522
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.519
And so again, as you point
out, it's a soft target.

523
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.320
And that sign didn't stop anything,
did it, you know. I mean,

524
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.840
that's that's the key. What they
did was they kept people who were

525
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:43.360
law abiding, rational citizens from having
weapons that they could use to protect themselves.

526
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:50.480
It's just like the Louby cafeterion and
in Texas and and what happened with

527
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.960
that woman who was a dentist and
she left her you know, so you

528
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.039
can't bring it in here. It's
like, all right, left her,

529
00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.280
left her firearm in the glove compartment, and then this guy dry it was

530
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.039
this truck through the side of the
of the building there and start shooting people.

531
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.039
And she I don't have my weapon
with me because they call it there

532
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.840
was a sign there telling me I
couldn't protect myself. Yeah, yeah,

533
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:15.320
absolutely. It's it's troubling and and
you know, thank goodness we can talk

534
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.639
about these things and try to set
the record straight. And I think that

535
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:25.440
you know, with with your program, you have tremendous, tremendous capacity to

536
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.320
be able to cover all these different
stories. And you know my work at

537
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.400
m RCTV, I throw stories up
to the editors and things like that,

538
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.159
and sometimes we have disagreements. You
know, the folks at m RCTV,

539
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.480
Brent Bozella and Mark Levin are very
good friends. And I have massive problems

540
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.480
with many of Mark Levin's positions,
especially you know, some of his sort

541
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.840
of rhetoric and so on, and
you know, and but but they're very

542
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:58.719
very good to allow me. I
mentioned in a recent piece about Joe Biden

543
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.280
throwing weapons around the world at the
same time then he's starting a new White

544
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:07.320
House Bureau of Gun Violence Prevention.
I was like, the hypocrisy of this

545
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.800
guy is unbelievable. He wants to
give billions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine,

546
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.440
and they did allow me to hyperlink
to Israel in my piece, So

547
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.719
I thought, Okay, you know, there's there's a given take here,

548
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.079
and I'm very glad to be able
to you know, chat with you and

549
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.480
and and the opportunities you've given me
to fill in for you, and then

550
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.559
you know, doing my my streaming
show to get this information out that that

551
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.920
you know, even when you have
some conservatives. You say, no,

552
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.079
we've got to disagree here. You
know, let me bring up a different

553
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:45.719
perspective for you. And I heard
one of my acquaintances in Boston talk radio

554
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:51.000
she says, what are we going
to do about what's happening in Israel?

555
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.519
And again I say, you know, why what is this we? Why

556
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.320
do I have to have anything to
do with that? You know? So

557
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.800
to me, that's a really big
deal. And and it's great also to

558
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:06.199
think that we can sort of circumvent
some of the some of the sensors that

559
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.280
have been brought up against us.
And with the listenership and how supportive they've

560
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.639
been, you know, I've been
able to start off my Liberty Conspiracy show

561
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.000
and my sub stack, and it'd
been able to sustain it pretty well.

562
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.639
With all the people who came over
from your show and they're in my chat

563
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.639
and they're saying, Hi, Gardner, I'm like, wow, you folks

564
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.440
are just great. It's so fantastic, And you're their Liberty Conspiracy or on

565
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:37.320
rock Fan Monday through Friday at what
time Monday through Friday is starting at six

566
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.639
pm Eastern and then yep, and
we're streaming live at Rumble and rock fin

567
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.719
and on my Twitter feed at guard
Goldsmith. And in addition to that,

568
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.480
I have the Substack and I'm taking
little video pieces and I'll put them out

569
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.639
at Substack and so on and so
forth. The latest one was about Halloween.

570
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.119
There's a second part about that coming
out. And I just got asked,

571
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.159
and this is something I want to
mention to you, David. I'm

572
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:06.280
just gonna ask you know how Ian
Freeman was convicted and he's going to be

573
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.239
appealing the conviction, but yeah,
he's gonna tell people I Freman. They

574
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.159
may not be familiar with a name
because it hasn't been covered by the mainstream

575
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.079
media much, but no important precedent
that's being set there. Tell people at

576
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.679
Ian Freeman. Well. Ian Freeman
and his business partner Mark Edge came up

577
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.880
from Florida with the Free State Project
to join fellow libertarians. They moved to

578
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.480
Key, New Hampshire, and they
started their radio show decades ago in New

579
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:36.440
Hampshire. And I was doing a
separate radio show in New Hampshire and they

580
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.199
were so kind they invited me over. They said, Hey, how'd you

581
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.719
like to sit in with us on
Wednesday nights. I said sure, so

582
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.599
I would go and sit in with
them and terrific people. And Ian got

583
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:53.079
started very early in bigcoin and made
amazing profits off it and started his own

584
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:59.639
Bigcoin exchange and also got some of
the big Coin kiosks for people locally,

585
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:05.079
other Freestate Project members might want to
start their own. Ian was prosecuted because

586
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:10.559
he was dealing with a guy who
wanted crypto and that guy was defrauding people,

587
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.599
and they said that Ian wasn't looking
closely enough into sort of know your

588
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:22.840
customer type pattern which are now putting
on steroids, and they've ramped this up.

589
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.639
They got three hundred pages of regulations. Congress said, we want you

590
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.280
to do it, but of course
the devil is going to be in the

591
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.880
details, and the details are going
to be created by the regulatory state and

592
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:38.840
the IRS has got huge three hundred
pages to basically end anonymity for anybody that's

593
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:44.400
got crypto in any way, shape
or form, but also exposing people to

594
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:49.559
a lot of identity theft risk because
that is so pervasive and broad based,

595
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.880
and it also is set up as
I think that's one of the reasons they

596
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.440
came after Ian was because they said, well, it's kind of this vague

597
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.639
thing as to whether or not you're
able to get this. If you have

598
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.239
the ability to get all this information
on people, then you got to do

599
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.880
it. And it's like, well
that's kind of vague, that kind of

600
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.280
and so you know, to have
that case there with Ian Freeman said,

601
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.559
well, if you don't collect this
information, we may at some point in

602
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.039
time determine that you were able and
now we're going to give you the Ian

603
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.960
Freeman treatment. Oh yeah, oh
yeah, absolutely, And that's one of

604
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.360
the ways. You know, the
appeal is going to be very complex.

605
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.679
There's some question as to whether or
not this is bitcoin is a security or

606
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:37.840
a currency, so whether it's the
sec it is all confused, and it's

607
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.079
all based again, it's how many
angels can dance on the head of a

608
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.000
deadly pin. The pin shouldn't exist, The federal government should had nothing,

609
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.000
absolutely nothing to do with this,
and and agents of the state. You

610
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.599
know, if people, if people
want to police this, then let them

611
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.280
go ahead and invest in something to
police it first. Getting the state involved

612
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.280
means that they're forcing their neighbor to
pay for what they think should be necessary

613
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:08.000
enforcement of something that's immoral perioding.
There's nothing that excuses that, and so

614
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.519
Ian has to looks like he has
to go to federal prison for eight years.

615
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.079
Right now, he's in a state
penitentiary and he can make phone calls

616
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:19.159
and so on, and so I've
gotten a number of phone calls from him

617
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.760
literally from he's in his cell.
You can hear it echoing, and he's

618
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:29.719
talking to me on a tablet.
He called yesterday and he has asked me

619
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:34.719
on Friday nights now, so their
free talk live show goes seven days a

620
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.760
week, and he asked me if
on Friday nights, I can provide recorded

621
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:45.079
segments that will go out on the
stations that they've connected to to leaver preposition

622
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:49.719
dangling. That's one hundred and seventy
five stations. And yeah, I guess

623
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:57.199
they're on the GCN network. So
yeah, so you know our interviews when

624
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.159
you want to hop on, when
Tony Rdiburn wants to hop on, just

625
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.920
had Eric Peters, Yeah, and
so yeah, it'll go out. I

626
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.280
think you know it's up to me. They're going to be recorded. It

627
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:10.719
won't be live, but it is
because of you helping to keep me in

628
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:15.960
the game, and not game,
but in this line of work. In

629
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.840
addition to MRCTV that I've been able
to do, you know, these little

630
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.000
pieces here and there to just get
these get these messages out there, you

631
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:29.000
know, to get around these these
these censorious minds. Uh. Well,

632
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.119
you keep yourself in the game because
you keep yourself informed. And I know

633
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.360
you work really hard to do that. And and that's the key thing.

634
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.920
You know, you have a lot
of information. People subscribe to your sub

635
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.400
stack. You put out a thing
every Sunday night, uh, and and

636
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:51.280
pick up some key stories and you
have a really good sense of a broad

637
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.239
base of stories. And it's not
a repetition of what you typically see or

638
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.320
even what I have here. It's
it's things that you found on your own

639
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.840
doing a lot of research. So
I highly recommend yourself Stack for people as

640
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.880
well. Oh thanks David. And
you know, one of the things that

641
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.280
really gets me is when you know
you've got allies. Not to stress this

642
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.320
too much, but when you know
you've got allies who are helping you out

643
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.639
and who believe in the principles that
you believe in. That's the main thing.

644
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.679
It's the principles that you believe in. And what really amazes me is

645
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.920
when I think about the forces that
are arrayed against us, and you brought

646
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.679
up NewsGuard and I gave a comment, and you're like, oh, well,

647
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:35.239
he's the news Guard, you know. And we've got Michael Hayden on

648
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:43.239
the board of NewsGuard, a man
who openly admits to you know, overthrowing

649
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:50.119
people, to being involved with spying, lying this sort of thing. It's

650
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.199
just incredible to think about the fact
that they were getting my tax money and

651
00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:02.559
they were sending MRCTV messages to say, okay, have you know Gardner Goldsmith

652
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.639
respond to us about this article that
were If you don't respond to us,

653
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.119
we're gonna claim that it's false.
And all they have to do is click

654
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:17.440
on the hyperlinks that are in my
articles and they'll get the information. It's

655
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:22.599
amazing how many tentacles they've got.
I saw something about Sidney Powell, who

656
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.599
has now flipped and well, we
don't know if she's flipped or not.

657
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.840
Maybe she flipped a long time ago, but they flipped her lip. But

658
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.400
she was getting you know, even
after she said, you know, pleaded

659
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.400
guilty of this, she came back
out and still pushing her narrative about the

660
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:43.039
election. And I noticed in one
article there was a guy that she relied

661
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.000
on. There was a former CIA
guy, and it's like they've got their

662
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.719
tentacles and everything, pushing these kind
of like what Patinna did with this thing.

663
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.039
This guy's pushing stuff to Sidney Powell. Maybe she believed it. I

664
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.119
don't know, but you know,
they've got their stuff there. You talk

665
00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:00.159
about Michael Hayden. These are the
guys who created the Ayatola command as blowback,

666
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.239
as Ron Paul always talks about.
You know, they're constantly doing coups

667
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:12.599
and assassinations, censorship, fake narratives, and it's just amazing how destructive and

668
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.119
evil they are and how they're everywhere. You know, it's not just a

669
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.159
you know, Operation mocking Bird where
they're feeding stuff to Walter Cronkite or whatever.

670
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.719
They're everywhere. They're pushing this stuff
to everybody at every level, even

671
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.239
an alternative media, even to somebody
like Sydney Powell pushing stuff to her.

672
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.719
So true, so true. And
and it's it's funny, David, because

673
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:37.239
I can get frustrated, and you
know, you get angry sometimes when or

674
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:43.199
one gets angry. Sometimes I do, yeah, you know, okay,

675
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.440
yah yeah. And the other thing
about it is, you know, working

676
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.639
in this field. I think a
lot of times, especially I'll listen to

677
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.199
a talk radio host in the morning, or you get a Michael Savage who

678
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:58.280
sort of tone things down. But
you know a lot of times bluster and

679
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:06.000
expression of this anger can gin up
better ratings sometimes. Or you know,

680
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.280
sometimes maybe people feel like they have
to emote that much more that sort of

681
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.840
thing. And and you don't want
to be too manipulative and too self analytic

682
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.400
and things like that. You just
want to be yourself. Sometimes you naturally

683
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.199
will get angry. But I get
so tired of this shrill you know,

684
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:28.480
like Mark Levin, I get so
tired of these people who oftentimes, if

685
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:30.880
you were to sit down in conversation
with them, you might agree on a

686
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:36.880
number of things. And and and
this is the problem that I see so

687
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:44.039
often in politics and commentary about politics, where there's a there's this fine line

688
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:50.800
between attack attack attack and I'd rather
win over somebody, and I don't know

689
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.719
where that line is. Many times, you know, to to say,

690
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:58.079
look, this this person is an
enemy, you know, versus how can

691
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.159
I win this person over? But
what the people want to see conflict.

692
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.239
And I think that you know,
Trump understands that the Democrats understand it,

693
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.119
you know. Martin James Carvell said, well, they're going to impeach Trump.

694
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:12.599
How do we get this lucky Trump
thrives on this persecution and it is

695
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.119
persecurred. Everybody sees that it's unequal
application of the law, and he thrives

696
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.440
on it, and he invites it. You know, we just look at

697
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.400
what he's doing in court. You
know, the judge says, don't say

698
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.159
anything about me or that people.
He says, somebody gets a ten thousand

699
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.920
dollars fine and immediately does it again
on true social he wants ten thousand dollars

700
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.119
is nothing to him. You'll make
a lot more than that with donations if

701
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.199
everybody gets angry. And so that's
a key part of it, is getting

702
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:37.800
everybody on both sides of this angry. That's why I said, even when

703
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:45.840
you look at something as horrific as
the deliberate mutilation by these terrorists of children

704
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:52.039
killing them, and and or the
the you know, kid with half of

705
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.360
his brain blown out of his skull
from a bomb or whatever, you can

706
00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:01.199
get yourself to the point where you
can fall into the trap of getting so

707
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:06.719
emotionally involved in it that and you
know, we should be emotionally involved.

708
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.360
We shouldn't be so you know,
cold to all this stuff. But we

709
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.599
have to also try to keep our
head and say, well, how do

710
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.000
we this is awful? How do
we try to minimize this? Right?

711
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.119
Instead of just running off with a
bloody shirt and a you know, I'm

712
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:23.960
going to get even I'm going to
get vengeance for this or whatever we have

713
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.320
to under we have to try to
pull back and say, all right,

714
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.199
but how do is there anything that
we can do to try to minimize this.

715
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:35.679
I don't really share any good decisions
there of what we do about this

716
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.360
stuff, frankly, but I know
that you know, if we just get

717
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:44.239
ourselvesselves ramped up and psyched up to
kill the other side, whichever side we

718
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.920
want, that is definitely going to
be the wrong way to go. David.

719
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.719
I'm curious, you know, as
a as a father who you and

720
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:57.000
your wife raised children. You know, I've only experienced it as an uncle,

721
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:06.079
but to how you go about how
you went about that balance between showing

722
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:14.920
the kids the dangerous, the malicious
people out there and not getting too wrapped

723
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.679
up in that attack mode when because
you want to teach people, you know,

724
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:25.480
youngsters look that's bad, that behavior
is bad. And how you make

725
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.239
sure that they don't get cynical,
they don't get jaded as you're giving them

726
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:35.480
these examples, because there's so many
examples throughout history. I'm sure a lot

727
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.400
of that has to do with faith
in God, I would assume, but

728
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.800
I you know, I don't know
if I'm expressing it right, David.

729
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.360
But I was just thinking about it
as I was watching you, and I

730
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.840
thought, gee, you know,
you've raised kids. You've done such a

731
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.320
great job as a father and your
wife as a mother, And I think

732
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:58.519
to myself, you know, to
allow the children to see the dark side

733
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.880
and not become cynical, to know, hey, watch out, this is

734
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:06.719
bad stuff. Well, you know, I don't know it is it is

735
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.880
difficult to not become cynical. But
I think another part of it is is

736
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:16.239
that we have to we have to
focus on positive things, right, and

737
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.280
if all we do is look at
negative things. This is one of the

738
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.079
reasons why when I go through the
news, I really do feel compelled to

739
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.639
get preachy, as Keith called it. You know, I feel like I

740
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.760
got to give people some good news
and some good hope, and there really

741
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.480
is a good hope out there,
and it's not all doom and gloom,

742
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.559
you know. So there's evil,
but we don't have desperation, you know.

743
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.840
And all around us there's darkness and
evil, but we don't have to

744
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.559
be overcome by that. And so
we overcome evil with good. And one

745
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.159
of the ways that we do that
is by focusing on what is good and

746
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.719
pure and right and just. And
that is a real healing thing to us,

747
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:58.079
better than any psilocybin, mushrooms or
anything else. Is to look at

748
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.360
what is true and just and eternal. And we have to focus on that.

749
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.000
And and that's why, you know, when I talk about this stuff,

750
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.480
and I have to do it for
my own benefit, because I can't

751
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.760
look at this abyss on a day
to day basis as much as I do,

752
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:17.559
and you know, it would just
drive me nuts if I didn't have

753
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:21.599
something that was good and pure to
look at. And so I don't want

754
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.320
to leave people without anything any good
news when we look at all this bad

755
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:30.760
news. That's y's that's that's well
stated. You know. It's funny,

756
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:36.800
David. We have some neighbors who
were they moved into this area before my

757
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.159
family did, about a year before, and They had an old farmhouse and

758
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:46.960
named the Driscolls. And they had
three kids, all before before born before

759
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.639
I and they were more of my
brother and sister's age. My sister's five

760
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.800
years my elder, my brother seven
years my elder. And you make me

761
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:59.280
think about I went to visit mister
and missus Driscoll recently, and they were

762
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.719
always just one wonderful hosts. They
were just great. You know, you'd

763
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:06.519
go over playing baseball in the little
field that they had that no longer had

764
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:08.119
crops on it and most of it, but you know, we'd be playing

765
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.719
softball or whatever and going sledding down
the hill and that sort of stuff.

766
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:19.800
And mister Driscoll actually did cartooning for
NASA during the Apollo mission. He was

767
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.719
part of their like pr team and
stuff. Very very good artist, and

768
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:29.840
he brought out drawings that he had
done of us as kids playing baseball.

769
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.320
Cartoon, yeah, little spoofy cartoons
with the dog chasing running away with the

770
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.559
ball and things like that. And
he had been in the military, and

771
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.480
I mean he was in his nineties. He was in Korea, and you

772
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.280
think about some of the terrible things
that those people saw. You know,

773
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.679
my dad was in World War Two, he saw man burned to death in

774
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:52.639
Australian pilot burned to death inside his
plane on the tarmac, and my dad

775
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.239
went to try to get him out. My dad was burning his hands.

776
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.280
He couldn't he couldn't get the conckpit
open. And you think about some of

777
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:04.039
these terrible things that people see and
yet they find the positive and it's through

778
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.360
well, I would hope that it's
through their soul and recognizing who is there

779
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.039
behind it all. And just a
little while ago, so I went to

780
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.320
visit the Driscolls and it was like
it was like a second hadn't gone by,

781
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:22.800
and I was in their house and
enjoying the smells and the sense walking

782
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.320
across that doorstep that I had walked
across so many times as a kid,

783
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.159
and I saw mister Driscoll. He
was going to be going in for heart

784
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:36.400
surgery, and so he did and
he got out, but unfortunately he passed

785
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:40.360
away just a few weeks ago.
So we were at the memorial service,

786
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.280
and I was on Saturday, and
I thought about how when they found out

787
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:50.400
that there was a new house that
was built just through the woods behind their

788
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:55.400
house, mister Driscoll got a lawnmower
and he cut away branches and stuff,

789
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.559
and he created a path so that
we could walk over to the house because

790
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:01.559
he knew, yeah, he knew
there were going to be kids there,

791
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.360
and he maintained it and then our
eventually our footsteps maintained it. And there

792
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:12.920
were other friends beyond that, five
kids, and we had gangs of kids,

793
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.280
just so much fun, you know, flashlight tag and all sorts of

794
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:20.239
stuff. And I said, and
so we were at we're out there at

795
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:24.159
their at their Methodist church, and
I got up to say something at the

796
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:28.280
memorial Saturday. They asked if anybody
would like to come up, and I

797
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:34.400
said, you know, mister Driscoll
had an artistic eye and he somehow he

798
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.440
could see that landscape in the woods
and he could see a trail. I

799
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:44.360
was like, but he saw a
greater trail. He saw a trail that

800
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:50.199
was given to us by Christ,
and it was It just made me think

801
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:55.199
about that, if you can just
see that trail, you're on the you're

802
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:00.159
on the path, you know,
and and it's okay. So anyway,

803
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:07.000
well that's what a great story that
is. Before we run out of time.

804
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.440
I know that you are a writer
as well, and you've got a

805
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.840
book that is coming up. Has
it been published it or is it still

806
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.760
coming up? Well, yeah,
interestingly enough, you know, as we

807
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.960
come towards Halloween. So I have
three novellas that are out. One is

808
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.920
called Bite and that's about a vampire
hunter in Las Vegas. It's sort of

809
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:31.320
a cold check the night Stalker takeoff. Then there's Wall, which is crypto

810
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:37.480
archaeology about a Great Wall of China
before ten thousand years before the Great Wall

811
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:43.519
of China. And there's another one
called Fishing, and that's a dark mass

812
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:47.639
murderer on the loose in western Massachusetts
in the seventies pot just around the end

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of the hippie era, and that's
got a lot of dark stuff in it,

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so if people are they want to
be careful, and that's some violent

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scenes in that. But the sequel
to Bite has been done for ages.

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And I actually had a book contract
that was the one where it was.

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It was actually Swin Publishing Sam Hayne
as some people might call it, so

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as we come to Halloween, it's
appropriate, and it was a mid size

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publishing company. But they wanted me
to split my writing name from my political

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name, and I said why would
I do that. I'm not going to

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do that, So I declined the
contract and it has not been published.

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So there's that, which is the
sequel to Bite the novella. And then

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I have this other one called Team
Miser, which I actually started in nineteen

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eighty four when I was a student
at Boston University. I came up with

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this idea that the Tea was an
evil underground dystopian empire, and it was

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it had gas that was making people
ride to the end of the line,

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sort of like he will ride foreverneath
the streets of Boston. He's the man

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who never returned. You know,
Charlie the guy, and their cards are

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actually their Tea cards. Their passes
are called Charlie cards. They got those

830
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:07.239
ever getting off this thing? See
yeah, yeah, Kingston Trio. So

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so that's called Team Miser and it
happens in nineteen eighty eight, and Mike

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Ducoccus is a dystopian bad guy who's
trying to take over the planet by getting

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everybody out of their regular cars into
attaining public transportation. And I came up

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with it. I didn't have the
idea for like, you know how they

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had cash for clunkers. Well,
I had that concept in there in nineteen

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eighty eight. I started writing this
novel in nineteen eighty eight, the Team

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Isser novel, and he's called Team
Miser, like heat Miser and snow Miser.

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They miser their tokens. They won't
pay their tokens because they have fingerprints

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on them and they track them.
So so I had this idea that,

840
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:50.400
yeah, they will give everybody a
pass for the public transit because he wants

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00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.800
everybody on public transit. It's infused
with gas and hypnotizes everybody to love the

842
00:59:53.840 --> 01:00:00.519
government. And they'll have people trade
in their gas guzzling carbon mission cars for

843
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.599
these public transit things. And I
was thinking about that in nineteen eighty eight,

844
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right, but I didn't have a
title for it. Wait ahead of

845
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.280
your time, that's great. Oh
yeah, it's nuts. And so when

846
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:14.239
they had the cash for clunkers,
I came up. I wrote after the

847
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.840
fact, I went back in and
call it tea for trashers, the Tea

848
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:22.079
Pass, the Boston Tea Pass.
It's t for trashers. So the guy

849
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:25.039
comes back, Yeah, this The
main character comes back from vacation and his

850
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:30.480
girlfriend has sold his car. He's
like, I gotta get to work.

851
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.719
Where's my car? She's like,
I sold it, man, you got

852
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:37.239
a t pass? Like, yeah, that's that's that's where we're headed.

853
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.639
For sure, we're almost out of
time. Tell everybody where they can find

854
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:45.360
you, and again, I would
also recommend people to go to the Knights

855
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.519
of the Storm dot com and they'll
see schedules for Guard for this show,

856
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.840
for many shows as well as their
many shows. But tell people where they

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01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.760
can find you again, Guard.
Okay, yeah, well, first thing

858
01:00:54.760 --> 01:01:00.360
I'll say I'm mentioned again. It
looks like tonight I will and night I'll

859
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:04.639
be going live at Liberty Conspiracy as
I do every Monday through Friday, starting

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01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.559
at six on Rumble and Rock Finn
and on my Twitter feed at Guard Goldsmith

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01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:15.000
g r D Goldsmith not NewsGuard,
thank goodness, and yes and no Michael

862
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.679
Hayden behind me, that's for sure, although we're both bald, but so

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01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.559
six o'clock Monday through Friday, Rockfinn
and Rumble for Liberty Conspiracy and also my

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01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:30.559
substack, Guard Gardner Goldsmith Substack.
Great. Then I should know by six

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01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:35.159
o'clock tonight if the Free Talk Live
stuff goes out there, that'll be on

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01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.920
all GCN network affiliated stations as long
as they pick it up at seven o'clock

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tonight. And I have to say
before we close off, I've got to

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say thank you to a couple of
people left tips. Thank you Sean E

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very much for the tip on Rock
Finn and on Rumble Chris M ninety,

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thank you and thank you to all
of you. As a matter of fact,

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I had a list that I wanted
to read to people, read off

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01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.840
the names of people who have contributed
to us on zel. I'll do that

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01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.519
on Monday because we're out of time, but I just wanted to thank you

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01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.679
all. Thank you for the support
this month. We are donor supported.

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That is the bulk of what happens
with this, especially since the advertising thing

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with Pride month. So thank you
so much for the support and I'll get

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01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.039
those names. I'll read those out
on Monday. Thank you all. Have

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a great weekend and thank you.
Guard appreciate it. Thank you, thank

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01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:46.480
you. David the common Man.
They created common Core, dumb down our

880
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:52.119
children. They created common past,
track and control us their Commons project to

881
01:02:52.159 --> 01:03:00.440
make sure the commoners own nothing and
the communist future they see them and man

882
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.360
is simple, unsophisticated, ordinary,
but each of us has worth and dignity

883
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:12.079
created in the image of God.
That is what we have in common.

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01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.079
That is what they want to take
away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation,

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01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:22.039
deception, intimidation. They desire to
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01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:28.760
hide everything from us. It's time
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