WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.680 Hey, everybody, Welcome to a live podcast that was done at the Pro 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:08.080 Wrestling Hall of Fame weekend in Waterloo, Iowa. A couple of notes on 3 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:11.279 all of the guests. The first guest is be Brian Blair from the Killer 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.279 Bees. He needs no explanation. Next was going to be both Wes and 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.920 Jerry Briscoe, but sadly Jerry had COVID and was unable to come to the 6 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:23.920 weekend and the festivities. James Beard is a longtime referee from World Class, 7 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:28.320 amongst other stints. Our last guest was Rock Riddle, who was literally a 8 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.880 monster of a guest in the best possible way. Rock was kind of a 9 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:38.119 journeyman who started doing acting in la and is just a straight up gimmick maybe 10 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:42.880 Luke Gallows in thirty five years. So Rock went off on such a tangent 11 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.640 about who knows what that. I did do some editing on this episode for 12 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.079 the sake of a good flow to a good live podcast. I did trim 13 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:55.039 some stories down, including one from Brian Blair and most of Rock Riddle, 14 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.960 so if you would like to hear those, they will be up separately on 15 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.000 my Patreon and at five dollars a month to get two bonus episodes of wrestling, 16 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.840 anonymous ad, free shows and bonus stuff, and this will count as 17 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.480 the bonus stuff. 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How many of you have been here to 70 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:05.680 the weekend of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame? All right? And who's 71 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:12.120 a first dye? All right? Great to have you here. One of 72 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.480 the exciting things about this is not only the Hall of Fame itself, the 73 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.759 inductees and the whole ceremony, not only the actual wrestling show that's put on 74 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:26.000 or the podcast that colts doing here, but is the actual museum itself, 75 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.959 which is one of the most fun things to see. Is to see amateur 76 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:34.519 wrestling, but also see the past of professional wrestling. And every year I 77 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.720 go there and every year. I have questions, and I'm gonna propose to 78 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:46.279 you all of the unanswered questions that I have from roaming around the actual museum 79 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:54.600 again by another rum flow who checked out the museum this weekend. Okay, 80 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.560 so I checked it out a little bit before I came here, and these 81 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.439 were some of my questions. I'm not maybe some of you all had the 82 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.759 same questions, and you can either find me afterwards and give me the answer, 83 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.720 or we can wonder about it together. So my first question was I 84 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:14.319 saw a Thunderbolt Patterson who is here this weekend. He had donated a pair 85 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.199 of boots, pair of trunks, and then I don't know if anybody saw 86 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.319 that airbrush T shirt that he had in there, And my question is, 87 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:27.519 like what flea market did he buy that airbrushing at? I mean, that 88 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.040 was straight from the mall or the flea market. Stuff we don't think about. 89 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.800 We see him on TV and it looks cool, but the reality is 90 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:38.439 is like our grandma has the same one and someone's doing that air brushing and 91 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.319 they don't even know it's for Thunderbolt and he's like, can you put Thunderbolt 92 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.319 and like cool airbrush on this T shirt? And someone was just like, 93 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.920 yeah, of course, anything for ten bucks. And next thing you know, 94 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.480 now it's in a Hall of Fame. So I'm just a big fan 95 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:55.240 of air brushing. The next one was Jesse the Body Ventura. Well, 96 00:06:54.600 --> 00:07:00.639 I'll stop myself, Jesse the governor Ventura. Did you see that? That's 97 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.879 the political sign that he had, which I think is an maybe there maybe 98 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:09.279 a new addition this year which was so cool. It was Jesse for a 99 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.360 governor and it doesn't even it just says Jesse, and I love that. 100 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.279 Everybody in Minnesota knows exactly who that is. But what I don't think anyone 101 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:23.480 ever talks about was it was Jesse venture and May Skunk was his running partner. 102 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:28.600 And so obviously my question is who the fuck is May Skunk? Does 103 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.879 she believe in aliens like Jesse does? And did she run on the same 104 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.959 ticket. These are questions I had, they were unanswered. I just would 105 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.240 you know, I want to I want to know who this lady is. 106 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:46.480 It's it's pretty impressive. Actually I did have a question answered. The Lufez 107 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.319 ring robe is in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame Museum, and that's such 108 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.480 an iconic ring robe. It's so cool. I think about pictures of him 109 00:07:54.480 --> 00:08:00.720 wrestling in Japan with Carl Gotch, like tagged with Gotch and just just legendary 110 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:05.160 NWA matches. And I wanted to know if there was anything in his front 111 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.120 pocket because I'm nosy, and it wasn't behind a shield. And the answer 112 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.680 is no, there's nothing in his front pocket. So the fourth question I 113 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.639 had a lot of you saw mister perfect singlet there the iconic baby blue with 114 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.120 the black triangle on the front. My question forever has been And then I 115 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.720 tried to find out the answer there and I wasn't able to find it was 116 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:30.720 is there like a thinner piece of fabric around his crotch? Because as a 117 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:35.159 kid, I could always just see his penis poking through and I couldn't get 118 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.919 to it. I wanted to know it was always him and Jimmy Snuko or 119 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.600 always had a little turtle head pointing at me as a child. It was 120 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.600 very weird. It wasn't there. No one answered the question, so please, 121 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.159 if you know, let me know. And last, but not least, 122 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:52.440 I would like to know how many ladies from Flirt Gentlemen's Club have made 123 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:56.799 their way over to the National Wrestling All of Fame for those of you who 124 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.759 not here. Every year we all pull up to the National Wrestling Hall of 125 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.279 Fame, and right next to it is a Gentleman's Club, which has been 126 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.639 there for a long long time. I am honestly intrigued because I know the 127 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.360 conversations in a wrestling locker room, Like, what are the conversations in the 128 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.200 Gentleman's club locker room for the ladies? Do they talk about wrestling? Do 129 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.480 they know anything about wrestler? Like what if there's one that's like so into 130 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.159 amateur wrestling and I can't believe Dan Gable is over there signing autographs and she 131 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.759 can't wait to get off the stage and go. These are just my questions. 132 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.080 They really fill up my mind, but they're unanswered. I appreciate you 133 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.720 maybe if you have him later, and I appreciate everybody. My first guest, 134 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:48.639 please welcome to the show. Beat Brian Blair. So entertaining, brother, 135 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.879 you are entertaining. Well, that's you've got an inquisitive mind. Does 136 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.320 he not have an equisitive mind? Come on, audience, give in my 137 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.559 hand. Could combat the man? These were all questions we were all asking 138 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.360 ourselves. I just have the heart to put it out there and wonder. 139 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.159 It's beautiful, great to have you on here things so much. You've been 140 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.559 involved, You've been involved, and maybe we could talk about this right away. 141 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.480 You've been involved in stuff, I mean as long I feel, as 142 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.120 long as I've been coming here, you've been coming here. Also such you 143 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.120 play such a part in the Cauliflower Alley Club. Is it important to you 144 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.039 or where does your important lie to? Kind of I guess we would call 145 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.480 this kind of like making sure the history is still alive and making sure that 146 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.080 I guess the brother and sisterhood is still there. Does that play importance to 147 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.559 you? And is that stuff you thought about as a younger wrestler looking at 148 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.440 the older wrestlers when you were in the ring. Let me start with the 149 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.919 last part first. I always had respect Buddy Colt and Eddie Graham and Jack 150 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.080 Briscoe. They taught me that you have respect for everybody. Yes, sir, 151 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.200 No, sir. When you had to pay trans, you don't. 152 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:54.720 They don't ask you for your trans. We used to have to pay five 153 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.559 cents a mile trans. You know we'd get in a car. You drive 154 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.120 four hundred miles, you pay forty bucks and can I stop you there? 155 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.279 Who's who's doing the math? Being like Brian, you owe this or no, 156 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.320 you would? You would automatically know if you went from Tampa to Jacksonville 157 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:15.399 that that was two hundred miles each way. We had established miles. If 158 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.240 you went to Tallahassee that was three seventy five, So that was heavy trans 159 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.480 Sometimes I don't have a calculator with me, but if you're only making seventy 160 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.000 five dollars or one hundred dollars, I don't think Eddie ever paid anybody less 161 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.279 than a hundred bucks. But there there were guys before me that went there 162 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.840 for a lot less, and of course we made a lot more respect. 163 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:45.279 And the Cauliflower Alley Club ties into the National Wrestling Hall of Fame because we 164 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:50.480 help people that have the Calieflower Alley Club helps people from the wrestling industry. 165 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.960 I don't care if you were an announcer, if whatever you did, as 166 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:00.720 long as you made a living in the pro wrestling industry and contributed full time, 167 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.639 then we reach out and we help these people. We've saved people's houses, 168 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:11.360 we've kept them from having leans on their lives basically, and it's been 169 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.440 a great thing. But through all this you learn that if we don't preserve 170 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.720 all these things and these people that have you know, the mister wonderful Paul 171 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:24.759 warrendorfs. You know, we were just talking about you know, at least 172 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.600 Thunderbolts still with us, but we were talking about Kurt Henning. These people 173 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.759 contributed so much to where we're at right now. We're all we're all together, 174 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:37.679 and we want to preserve all this history. And that's really why why 175 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.480 I'm here, why we support this as a whole, as a as one 176 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.879 five h one c three to another. We just want to make sure that 177 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:52.120 we're successful together because we're like brother and sister organizations, if you will, 178 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.679 Okay, so I'm going to touch a little bit abond. You said five. 179 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.039 So that's what stuck with me was five cents a mile. Everybody's paying 180 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.039 their own trans. Now, wrestling has transitioned all over you know, over 181 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.240 the years, right, it gets the gets five nuns one hundred miles, 182 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.360 Well gets to the boy. Now where like some of us like part of 183 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.440 our deal is we want this amount, we want trans we want our trans 184 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.879 paid for. So my guests would be like, you know, you hear 185 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.759 the stories that Vince would pay your one way ticket on an airplane. Um, 186 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.960 was there a point where people were getting all of their trans paid for? 187 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.600 Where the top guys getting their trans paid for? Was this something you 188 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.279 guys would talk about. Well, I'm talking to Colt, I'm talking about 189 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:35.000 it in the territories. Yeah, But then actually, Vince Senior was a 190 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.840 territory of course, but and they paid trans and those territories too. But 191 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:46.120 then when we became like a world organization. When I went there, um, 192 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:52.639 I first, Um, let's see when I think it was nineteen eighty 193 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:58.519 five when the Killer Bees were born. I was there before and I worked 194 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:03.080 for his dad. But but and we paid trans like up until that point. 195 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.120 And at that point we became so national that Vince paid for all of 196 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.480 our flights. But then once we got somewhere, we were on our own. 197 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.440 Let's talk a little bit about the Killer Bees my face. See that's 198 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.399 the generation we talked about a little today. An I'm from Chicago. The 199 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.799 Rosemont Horizon definitely the first show I went to, headlined by Piper and Hogan. 200 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.759 You guys were on the card one hundred percent. I think it's been 201 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.679 documented that Hulkogan had the idea to put you guys together, you and Jim 202 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.240 Brunzel. You can correct me if I'm if I'm in correc now you're right. 203 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.480 Can you tell me about the relationship with Hulkogan and then the relationship coming 204 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.559 together with the Killer Bees? Were you for it? Were you against it? 205 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:41.559 Were you cool? Like? Did you enjoy the ride? Oh? 206 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.799 I totally enjoyed the ride. I enjoyed the ride as much through the territories. 207 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.639 I wish I could really explain that because I lived half my career through 208 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:56.759 the territories and the other half propelling to what you guys watched today, you 209 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.799 know, the WrestleMania through the I was there right before, so you just 210 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.399 you can relate in time. Then we were on two, three, four 211 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.840 and right before five. I gave my notice. But the times that we 212 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.279 had and even the times after that, because I wrestled for so many years 213 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.759 after that. What about you and hulk wonderful times? Terry is a you 214 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:22.120 know, ever since we used to get pound pounded and pounded in the dungeon. 215 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:28.559 Hero Matt Suda and Gordon Nelson and even Bob Backlin would come in and 216 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.000 he wasn't really a hooker, but he was a good shooter. But we 217 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.720 were constantly getting stretched and beat up. And out of three summers that I 218 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:43.720 trained in the Dungeon where Matt Suda runs the you know, the shots, 219 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:48.639 only three people made it. And that was first mister wonderful Paul Orndorff, 220 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.879 who turned out to be one of my very, very best of friends. 221 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.919 Then I started, But I trained with Terry for six weeks in the dungeon 222 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.559 and then he had his first match with me, and it was great. 223 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.039 And everything was a rib too. It's always a rib. There's always a 224 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.960 joke everything, you know. They changed the time limit and you were whole. 225 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.600 Cogan's first match, yes, okay? What was he wrestling? The 226 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.519 super Destroyer? Okay? Yes? And it was in chiefly in Florida. 227 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:25.240 How many people in nineteen seventy seven? I was chiefly in high school. 228 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:30.240 I would say there was probably three hundred people. Okay. And do you 229 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.960 say to yourself, I mean I no one's gonna say this guy's gonna be 230 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.600 the next biggest thing in professional wrestling? Was there any inkling of that? 231 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.919 Why is his sneak in the bar to watch him play? He played in 232 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:45.200 a band called Ruckus and there's a place called the op and of the other 233 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.480 place. And when I was seventeen years old, I'd sneak into the bar 234 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.519 and I'd watched Terry play the He was just like a freak show. He 235 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.039 had his you know, his mom was lipstick and her jewelry and uh, 236 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.440 you know, puts like six foot seven son ten plus another another, you 237 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.440 know, three and a half inches with the platform heels on, long blonde 238 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.680 hair hanging on that base, and you know, a great band. It 239 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.839 was a sight to see and I got kind of u Then I saw him 240 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.640 in the armory where we'd go on Tuesday nights to really watch all the action, 241 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:23.680 you know, Rodes and Pandemonium and no Eddie Graham and Jack Briscoe and 242 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:29.400 Buddy Colt and got so many Playboy Gary Hart, all these cool, cool, 243 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:33.720 cool stars, you know, Joel La Duke, all these guys that 244 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.839 were a lot of fun. Lots of trips with Don Morocco anyway, so 245 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:42.599 good times. So when you're doing the Territories and for the third time you're 246 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:48.279 gonna come and wrestle for the WWF is it Hahulk Hogan saying, hey, 247 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.480 I want Vince for you to come in. I think I could tell, 248 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.079 you know, is he playing the role of promoter there for him to tag 249 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:56.839 with Brunzel or they had Bronzel. Well, so this is how it happened. 250 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:02.480 Um, the Florida tape goes to New York. So I was a 251 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.839 Florida champion the first time. I was a Florida Heavyweight champion, n WA 252 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.160 Florida Heavyweight Champion, and the Southern Heavyweight Champion. I went. I left 253 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.680 Florida and went to New York. I think that was nineteen eighty four, 254 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:22.759 and right before WrestleMania one, had some tremendous matches with mister wonderful Paul Arndorff 255 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:30.440 that really really impressed Junior and from there Senior liked it too. They both 256 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.920 liked me, and I was going to come back and work for the Intercontinental 257 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.559 title, but I had to go back to Florida. Went back to Florida, 258 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.319 won the Florida Heavyweight title, worked with Flair, and you know, 259 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:48.559 I had some really fun times. But Hogan called me up and said, 260 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:52.720 because Vince stole Hogan from Verne. And this is the rating period. You 261 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:59.279 know, WrestleMania one starts where all the territories are getting he slowly picks the 262 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.960 territories and raids the top guys. So I went from being the main event 263 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:12.920 like from for Championship Wrestling from Florida c WF to coming down and with Vince 264 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:22.599 and being two weeks later on a card in another building in the same town. 265 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.359 And that's how he manipulated and got the talent, paid the talent more, 266 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.960 and controlled the world. You and Jim and Jim killed. I mean, 267 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:37.480 Hogan put us together because they worked together in a WA for Verne and 268 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:44.119 Jim was a natural tag team Him and Greg Ganya were AWA tag team champions 269 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.519 several times for quite a while. And I heard that, you know, 270 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:51.519 Jimmy had a reputation of being a gentleman and a nice guy, and I 271 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.000 didn't never had never met him in my life. So they introduced us in 272 00:19:55.079 --> 00:20:03.559 Branford, Ontario, Canada, and in nineteen eighty five and we meet talking. 273 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.599 Uh, there's a lot of people around, you know, all kinds 274 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.720 of characters, George, the animals, see steel snook, I mean tons 275 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:17.160 and tons of people. Uh, Popo's over here. Um. But George 276 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.480 Scott comes up to us. Uh. He had already introduced us, and 277 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.720 he said, listen, we need a name now for you guys. Wow, 278 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.720 here we are Branford on Tera, trying to meet each other. Um, 279 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.279 so much going through our minds. Now we got to think of a 280 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:30.599 name. I wish he would have told us that, you know, you 281 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.519 know a little bit sooner. It would have been easier. So think of 282 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:37.319 something, think of something. You guys are on in one hour, so 283 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.799 we had one hour. Could to come up with a name. True story, 284 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.519 that's wild. We're kind of thinking, think of thinking, and I, 285 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:48.039 um, we're thinking. I'm thinking bees, Bees, Blair Brounzel, 286 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.480 Blair Brounzel, the killer Bees. And oh yeah, because I love the 287 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.839 Miami Dolphins. That's why it pops in my mind. I said, hey, 288 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:00.920 you remember that. Now I'm speaking out loud. My mind's stops, 289 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.960 like it was like the wandering My wandering mind stops, and I step into 290 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.039 reality and I said, do you guys remember the eighty two dolphins, Bomb 291 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:17.720 Gardner and all the guys, Bonacani, the linebackers, five of them all 292 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.839 were with bees where they were the killer bees. And that stuck with me 293 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.480 all these years. And if that's if it sticks with me that long. 294 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:29.160 I think Blair and Brunzel the Killer Bees. Jimmy goes, that's awesome, 295 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:32.079 man, I love it. I love it. Wow, that's fantastic. 296 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:36.440 And George Scotts comes by and everybody's listening, and I said, George, 297 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:37.960 how about the killer Bees? And he kind of smiles and he goes, 298 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:42.200 killer Bees, killer Bees, killer Bees. I'll be back in as quick 299 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:47.960 as I can. I gotta go ask Benson. And so we uh, 300 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:49.680 you know, Kipbitts. Everybody's Kippitts in a little bit doing their thing. 301 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:55.839 A lot of characters now in that room Brantford TV. So you gotta imagine 302 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.920 Jesse the body, you know, just the cast goes on and comes George 303 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.839 with a big smile on his face. He said, you guys are now 304 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.039 the killer Bees, and he's excited about it now. So I'm excited about 305 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.400 all right, the killer Bees and runs He's excited, and Lanni Pofo is 306 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:17.519 extremely excited and he has a bag like a hockey bag, and he reaches 307 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:22.119 down and he pulls out a pair of bumblebee tom the same ones we wore. 308 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.960 So Lannie Pofo actually had those in the bag his bag before we wore 309 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.200 them. Are you were? You like? Why do you have these? 310 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.119 Lanny? What's the story? He had more gimmicks than anybody I'd seen in 311 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.279 my life. He could be a night, he could be an elf, 312 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:38.720 he could be whatever he wanted to be a poet, you know, he 313 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.720 had. He had all the gimmicks. The Vince needs a bee, I'll 314 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:47.640 blb, no problem, beautiful. He got his brother, and uh, 315 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:49.559 you know that's that's the deal. I mean, it was such a fun 316 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:55.119 marketing gimmick of my childhood that it's so fun to hear that story, you 317 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.079 know, come about. Yeah at one time. And I actually have a 318 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.920 book that just recently came out called Truth Be Told. It was number one. 319 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:08.480 Be Told. Yeah, Truth be ee Told available on Amazon for everything 320 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:12.599 that I've touched on with Colt in these few short, wonderful minutes, which 321 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:17.039 I truly appreciate, of course, and then I appreciate the listeners and everybody 322 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:21.880 here. Um it's got everybody, the cast of where we all came from, 323 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.960 and experiences that nobody's ever seen or heard before, and pictures and photos 324 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.640 and and it's a it's an amazing piece of art because of Ian Douglas, 325 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:40.000 my co author. He's he's wonderful. Brian Blair, everybody, thank you, 326 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:47.359 thank you very much, God Bust. What Brian doesn't know is that 327 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.240 when I was in the w w E along with my my next guest. 328 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.599 Actually, I'm gonna bring up my next guest I had, I had to 329 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.559 canvass the town to get signatures for him as he was running for the hills 330 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:04.000 hills Borough County Hillsborough what was it? Me and Evan Bourne got went went 331 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:10.880 to publics and got signatures for you for your campaign. Yes, yeah, 332 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.079 you're welcome. Happy to do it, Happy to do it? What was 333 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:22.519 it? Hillsbury County, Hillsbury County Commission District, sixth Countywide bocc All right, 334 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.039 Okay, I'm actually I'm gonna I'm gonna bring in my next guest. 335 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.799 So I don't know if he has any memories of this, that's but it'll 336 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:37.680 be fun to talk about. Please welcome to the stage. West Briscoe. 337 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:45.039 Hi, buddy, what's up guys? How you guys doing. Do you 338 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.759 remember that when Brian would come to the to the school at Florida Championship Wrestling 339 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.039 two point oh sorry and uh, what I want to talk about two is 340 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.960 uh. One day I was doing UH. I was in Puerto Rico and 341 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:02.160 you were talking about raining, and I was working for Carlos Cologne and there 342 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:07.480 was a crazy downpour and I'm like, I'm are we gonna start wrestle. 343 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:08.960 Of course, Carlos is like, yep, boys, you go out there 344 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:14.319 and I'm like what. So I go out there and I start slipping falling. 345 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.920 I'm like, the canvas is so slick. I didn't know what to 346 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:19.759 do. So I come back and I'm like, man, it was the 347 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.119 worst match of my life. I call my dad. I'm like, Dad, 348 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.200 they made me wrestle in the rain, Like what do I do? 349 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.920 And he goes, dummy, you take your boots off. I wish I 350 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.759 would have called him a little bit earlier. I got that information. That 351 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:40.440 makes so much sense because I never wrestled in the rain. I didn't know, 352 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.680 but everybody's Jimmy snooka tonight. Yeah exactly. Yeah. But it was 353 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.759 funny that you mentioned that because I actually had that same experience in Puerto Rico, 354 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.880 wrestling in the rain. You don't want to ruin your boots, yeah, 355 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.039 exactly, how your boots are ruined? You can't run the boots. 356 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.240 Who the fuck your dad knows the answer to these wrestling questions? I know 357 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.359 I didn't. I wish I would have called him a little bit earlier. 358 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:06.400 Oh that's wow. Well did you make it? Did you have arthurscopic surgery? 359 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.599 Uh? Three three days before that? No? I did not, 360 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.039 but I probably needed it after right. Fair enough, Um, good to 361 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.039 have you on here. I'm still want to know. Do you remember when 362 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.240 Brian came to this would come to the school. Yes. I also remember 363 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.480 when Brian used to come to my house with this Harley that was all killer 364 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.799 bead out and I remember those good old days of him pulling up in the 365 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:37.519 Harley and nice, nice, Yeah, they would always come. I remember, 366 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.839 Um. There have been so many times where wrestlers would come in the 367 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.400 middle of night and kick me out of my bed and I'd be like really, 368 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:49.880 and my dad like, uh, um, I forgot the um which 369 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.559 one was it? Um Ron bess He's kicked me out of the bed, 370 00:26:53.920 --> 00:27:03.039 But the biggest guy was um um guy with the I can make a lot 371 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.400 of clues here. I'm trying to figure it out. I think I can 372 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:12.519 get it. One of those old schools, the Road Warriors. No Blackjacks. 373 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:18.279 No Blackjack. He kicked out of the bed before too. But it's 374 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.720 all of a sudden sounds very weirdly sexual. No. No, I was 375 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.319 a little kid. I was a little kid. They come home and instead 376 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:27.799 of the boys getting the hotel, my dad's like, hey, come crash 377 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.640 at the house. Yeah, and of course I would have to leave them, 378 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.599 of course, but you know, but it has been so many times 379 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.599 the wrestlers coming by and stop him by and what would you do? You 380 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.759 go on the couch or yeah, I get forced to go to the couch, 381 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.039 or you have the dog kennel. You know, So what was you 382 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.039 was your house? Uh so at that time, let's say, if you 383 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.640 were what one of those memories ten years older or whatever, Yeah, I 384 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.000 was like partly ten. Like how where was your dad in his career that 385 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:03.680 wrestlers were coming over? I think, dude, well, I think at 386 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:10.880 that period of the time, that was when he was controlling like backstage, 387 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:15.119 and like I'm trying to remember, but I'm thinking that was when he was 388 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.400 more of Vince's right hand man and like kind of so the guys would stop 389 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.880 and he's like, you know, you guys don't need to get hotels, 390 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.640 come stay at the house, you know, come crash. But at that 391 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.279 period of his time, I think that was when he was more of Vince's 392 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.279 right hand man. It was before the Stooges. It was kind of in 393 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.640 that period when I was still a really little kid, Like, do you 394 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.440 have memories of your dad actually wrestling or Eddie retired by the time you were 395 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:47.200 figured I I never got to actually see him, which you know, caused 396 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.519 a lot of trouble in high school. I never in middle school. I 397 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:56.240 never saw like I saw my dad's tapes of him being like a badass and 398 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.839 him being you know, tag team champions and you know, all the stuff 399 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.559 that he did. And then by the time I got to like six to 400 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.200 seventh grade, he was doing the stoogest thing. So I got picked on 401 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.039 a lot, like like I didn't understand wrestling. I didn't understand what my 402 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:17.200 dad was doing because I was at the age that I was like thirteen, 403 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.640 maybe like twelve, So people would make fun of me, and I like 404 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.119 to fight, so I don't care, like, you know, you know, 405 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.400 my dad's my hero, you know, make fun of him because he's 406 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.160 wearing a dress and doing that, I'll punch in your face. Like, 407 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.480 so these people at your school weren't like your dad. It's so cool that 408 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.799 was anyone else's father on television. Every ye help, but my dad was 409 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.319 the way he was pretty I know, but I'm gone. I was a 410 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.240 kid. I didn't know and then eventually I realized. But you would think 411 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.359 that the other kids would know no other way. Yeah, they took it 412 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.400 the other way where I got bullied, like harrass and the like. Sometimes 413 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.400 they'd be like your dad's weren't makeup on team, Like I really would get 414 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.039 bullied and harass in school, and like, you know, I got in 415 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.400 a lot of trouble. I got kicked out of school for fighting because I 416 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.960 like, my dad's my hero and people are like making fun of me and 417 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.680 like just you know, bullying me, and I like didn't you know, 418 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.559 I always I understand bullying. And that's why when people allow shows, I 419 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:17.720 say, and stick up for each other. You guys, like everybody needs 420 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.640 a friend, everyone needs somebody stand beside you, and you know, like 421 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.920 bullying is not not right. And you know I felt that myself, and 422 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.480 you know, luckily I can fight. So what would the conversation would you 423 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.480 go like, would you have like a heart to heart kind of like kid 424 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:37.640 in parents situation of like I'm getting bullied, would your dad be like give 425 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.559 him a chicken wing? Um, My Dad's like did you win the fight? 426 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:42.839 And I said, yeah, he goes okay, let's go get ice 427 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.000 cream? Is that right? Yeah? Wow? So even even so, 428 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:48.200 if you would ever, if you would get in fights, which you seem 429 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.519 to have a lot as a child, your dad was okay with it as 430 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.319 long as I was, you want, as long as I wasn't the person 431 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.440 that was egging and all, as long as I'm not bullying. But my 432 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.119 dad didn't want some people just to step on me and you know, pushed 433 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.799 me to a corner where you know, I'm not going to back out, 434 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.359 you know, And like I never picked on no one. I never was. 435 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.799 I thought I was going to fight someone's because either I saw someone getting 436 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.119 picked on and I stood up for that person, or it was because I 437 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:23.480 felt that they were really hurting me and like I had nothing else to do, 438 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.680 like to how to fight back? Was your house a wrestling house? 439 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.160 And meaning like I know you said that people would come and kick you out 440 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:33.880 of bed, but like I don't know, Like, so I was. 441 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.400 I was on this show The Young Rock. Maybe you heard of it, 442 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.440 and um, you know you like and then you started like seeing like these 443 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.240 scenes of like the Rack and his family, and then Chavo is there and 444 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.319 then he you know, I'm podcasting with him and he's telling me about how 445 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.759 his household is one of these just like we're all barbecuing and right, and 446 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.200 there's just wrestlers all over the place all the time. Is that kind of 447 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.240 did you feel that or did you feel something different? Like was that not 448 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.559 necessarily the case? Yeah, that was the case. But when when it 449 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.839 came down to it, Dad never put it on TV. Dad was never 450 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.079 like we're gonna sit down and watch it was like family time, I bet, 451 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.720 like wrestlers being over at your place all the time. Yeah, oh 452 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.680 my god, Jack used to have My uncle Jack used to have crazy parties 453 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.359 where there like god knows, who knows what was happening there. And then 454 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.799 I went on Hogan's one of his crazy parties where he rented out this huge 455 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.000 like casino boat and like one level was kids level, when level was family 456 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.920 level, and the other level, I don't know. I was too young 457 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.839 to even see what that level was all about. I don't even know if 458 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.519 I wanted to see what that level was all about. But you know, 459 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.920 it's kind of funny. I grew up always in that realm of like I 460 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.039 remember Andre the Giant putting me in his hand and just lifting me up. 461 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:53.240 I remember seeing the Undertaker eat eleven cheeseburgers. I was like, I was 462 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.839 blown away. I was like, he's gonna eat eleven cheeseburgers as a river 463 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.359 like he was. I really did was because like so back in them the 464 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.559 day when they would come to Tampa, they'd have cheeseburger. No, I 465 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.799 would uh. I would be like a little my dad would bring me to 466 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.160 the show and I would, you know, get the wrestlers whatever they wanted 467 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.559 from catering. I would kind of be like, oh, give me some 468 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.880 give a coke or whatever, and I'd go no, no, no, 469 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.440 no, no, oh PEPSI. So so you know they say, hey, 470 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.480 like, oh give yeah. As eleven year old, you know, 471 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.440 I'm slinging coke in and out of do you know w W you know That's 472 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.839 how I made the money. Come on, now, you think I got 473 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.279 this gold chant? There you go, but no, uh, they'd send 474 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.039 me out to get like Pepsi coffee or you know stuffern catering, and I 475 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.799 just would be, you know, run around boy, and then Vince would 476 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.000 give me like fifty bucks and be like, oh, here you go. 477 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.880 You know. So I would just hear stuff of like you know, oh 478 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.519 tak her and be like, oh, go get me eleven cheeseburgers. I'm 479 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.880 like, whoa dude, this guy's in the e eleven cheeseburgers. But then 480 00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.000 you know he's also six foot nine or seven foots Sure, I'm sure you 481 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:05.240 could somewhere in that body. Yeah for me a little boy, I'm like, 482 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.079 I'm cheeseburgers, man. Like that would last me a long time. 483 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.280 Um. So, when we first met was at in Florida Championship Wrestling under 484 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.000 the w developmental system, and at that time, like the word on you 485 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:22.400 was you were like this unbelievable wakeboarder. Yeah right, yeah, I was 486 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.320 in the X Games and uh I was a professional wakeboarder for a good amount 487 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.000 of of my life. I turned pro at seventeen and was able to be 488 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.119 blessed to travel around the world. And so tell me a little bit about 489 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.159 the pressure or no pressure of like, you know, like being the son 490 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.800 of this you know, unbelievable champion. And then like from an outsider's perspective, 491 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:45.440 I see it like, oh, like maybe he's trying to carve his 492 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.760 own path. But then it's like there is an end or I don't know, 493 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.760 you know, like I don't tell me what your thoughts. And then, 494 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.039 to be honest with you, you hit it right. In my head, 495 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:55.840 I was trying to create my own path. I was trying to be 496 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.280 West brisco I wasn't trying to be you know, the son of Jerry Briscoe, 497 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.320 you know, Jack Briscoe like I was. I was trying to create 498 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.880 my own I didn't and I luckily I found wakeboarding and surfing and that brought 499 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.000 me a way to show myself and kind of create my own path. But 500 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.440 wrestling was always in my blood in my life. I have always loved it. 501 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.119 It's always been a passion. But there was a one time that I 502 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.920 was just like, I kind of have to separate myself and I have to 503 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.000 create my own path and my own destiny and just try things out. And 504 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.000 of course wrestling always brought me back because you know, wrestling is one of 505 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.880 the greatest things in the world. And it was just a crazy experience, 506 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:44.880 but it came in all in full circle. And you where where was the 507 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.719 X games that you went to? Which X Games? I've done two of 508 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.960 them. One was in California. I don't know where the other one was. 509 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.320 I've done so many contests and moors. And then the decision of like, 510 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.280 because I mean, I don't know if you're starting from scratch as you. 511 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.239 I'm sure wrestled with your dad and your uncle, but you know you 512 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.360 were like, Okay, I'm gonna give this a go when you were signed 513 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.719 with the WWE, like, tell me about that decision. Well before, 514 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.000 right out of high school, I trained with Steve Kern and Eddie Graham and 515 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.159 a couple other guys. Eddie Guerrero too. I trained with him right out 516 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.159 of high school, and I my dad knew I wanted to create my own 517 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.719 path. I was so much stuck in being in a shadow of my dad 518 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.639 and my uncle that it was time that I gotta kind of fill my own 519 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.760 shoes, and you know, and that's when I was just like, you 520 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.280 know what, I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it 521 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.400 everything I got and my dad supported me. He was like, you know 522 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.519 what. And then I got to the point where I couldn't compete with the 523 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.800 younger kids. I got to the point where these guys are doing triple and 524 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.559 double flips and I've already had two knee surgeries. So I started looked sitting 525 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.639 back. And then I went and saw my uncle Jack and I talked to 526 00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.719 him and he was like, boy, you should get in that ring. 527 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.800 And I kind of went into there. And then of course when I went 528 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.239 to FCW, I kind of got bullied there too. I mean a lot 529 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:07.800 of the guys there were like, hey, you're just here because of your 530 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.960 dad. You're not you know what I mean. But I was there because 531 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.400 I wanted it. I believed in it, and I love it. And 532 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:16.960 that's why I'm still here today. I have not quit rustling. I've been 533 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.199 at every show. I give my heart out every time I step in that 534 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.239 ring. And I'm not just here to live off my dad's name. I'm 535 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.719 here to make my own name. Give it up to that for sure. 536 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:34.800 Um. I mean something earlier you said it was there's only something fascinating about 537 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.239 Puerto Rico. I mean, Brian talked about you know where you know Brody 538 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.159 was killed, but there's so much like obviously with a part of the history. 539 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.719 But you did you live on the island? Yeah, I lived there 540 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.400 for a year. I heard the full year, the whole it was crazy. 541 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.559 Yeah. And then well, sorry didn't tell me about Yeah, tell 542 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.800 me about that like experience and what it was like. Yeah, it was 543 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.880 like right when I got released from WWE, I was like I didn't want 544 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:01.559 to give up, you know, I was like, okay, Like, 545 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.599 well because in that system started to cut you up. But it's just like 546 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.519 you're you might have be wrestling every day, but you're at wrestling practice that 547 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:13.360 you're like, you're enthralled in that industry. And then once it gets cut 548 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.320 off, it's like do I go to practice tomorrow? No, I'm not 549 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:21.119 welcome ar anymore. Right, So weirdest, it's very hard mentally, And 550 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.159 I have said and I and this is just a different tangent that I think 551 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.320 part of the release from the ww developmental system should be like a mental health 552 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:35.599 check, because you know, like you need that. It's so hard you 553 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.320 need to you need mental like everyone's gonna have a bit of depression or whatever 554 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.960 it is to kind of slide yourself out of going away from your dream job. 555 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.039 And not only that, it's the structure, the knowing that you kind 556 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.920 of place and knowing that you have, you know, somewhere to be and 557 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.960 that you know, like that was the hardest thing is when that all got 558 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:58.039 took on away And of course I was Tag Team Champions at the time and 559 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.880 was about to debut on Raw with Xavier Woods, and I blew my knee 560 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:06.559 out and right when I got cleared to go back, I got fired. 561 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.519 There were so many questions of like what did I do wrong? I would 562 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.719 you guys were just about to send me an Xavier and put us on TV 563 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.480 and have us like go interrupt this pay per view do this. We were 564 00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.880 on four loops, like it was already in the night before that we were 565 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.920 supposed to leave for the loop and I had we had to drop the title. 566 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:29.039 I end up blowing my knee right when I came back there like sorry, 567 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.800 yeah, we ain't got nothing for you, so tail as old as 568 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.039 time, Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's nice that you can still 569 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.159 by going to Puerto Rico. You're back at every everything. It took a 570 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.559 while, like it took a while to get there. I had to ask. 571 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.880 I asked my dad, I had asked other people, and I was 572 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:49.039 like, I gotta like because I was depressed, I didn't know what to 573 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.039 do. I didn't know what route to go. I didn't know. You 574 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.599 know, you're so stuck in the structure where you know your check comes every 575 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.920 Tuesday. You gotta be here, you gotta work out. I mean, 576 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.360 it's awesome, like it's the best job in the world because you get paid 577 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.360 to do what you love. And then it gets taken away and you got 578 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.519 to start over. And then I worked at it and I luckily Carlos gave 579 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.920 me a chance. And then at first I was living in an apartment with 580 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.480 one bed with three guys. It was rough. And then eventually I worked 581 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.519 my way up where I had my own apartment. I was doing good at 582 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.519 my own car. You know, like once you work your way up as 583 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.880 a wrestler in Puerto Rico, you get more status, you get better rooms, 584 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.199 you know, if you move up. And it was a good experience 585 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.400 because I got to learn different styles of wrestling. And then I did Puerto 586 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.760 Rico. Then I went to London for a while and wrestled up in Europe 587 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.000 and then went back to Puerto Rico, and then that's when I got signed 588 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.840 with TNA, and then that's when Mass and Nates and all that stuff started. 589 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.599 A nice little transition back in something. Yeah, and I felt like 590 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:51.679 I really needed it, As like a lot of wrestlers, if you grew 591 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.519 up in the WWE system, sometimes you kind of stuck in their waist. 592 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.800 It's good to get out and learn different styles of wrestling and working different people. 593 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.400 So it was it was kind of a blessing that I got released because 594 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.679 I was able to work all these other countries and learn different styles of wrestling 595 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.719 and be able to create my own style of wrestling and not being able to 596 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:16.480 just be programmed as a ww wrestler. Awesome West risk of everybody. Hey, 597 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:22.519 well, thanks for having Nicole. I appreciate it. Yeah, oh 598 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:30.239 all right, I'm gonna welcome my next guest to the ring referee Officiato James 599 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:38.119 Beard. Everybody, Hey, man, getting a good feel for it. 600 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.440 Oh yeah, yeah, you're this You're a natural at this, man, 601 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.639 I mean, I like talking about wrestling. I thank you. I think 602 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.760 you found your spot here. Well hopefully good. No one can fire it. 603 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.800 Fire me from it and make me move to Puerto Rico. So I 604 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.679 got that going. That'll be interesting. Um, first of all, I 605 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.239 think it's nice as a referee that well, I don't know. There's two 606 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.400 different schools of thoughts of it. A lot of people want to say the 607 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.239 referee never wants to be should never be seen from or heard from. Right. 608 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.480 But then it's nice though, to like finally have like recognition and be 609 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.360 known as this like Hall of Famer referee. I've been really blessed and that, 610 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.199 you know. And it's not really something I've thought about when I first 611 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:22.239 started doing it. I'm just happy to be in the ring, you know, 612 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.559 like like a lot of guys. Um, I was very lucky. 613 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:31.119 I got to work in a pretty high profile place in Dallas and and then 614 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:36.599 I ended up in Japan and and got that experience. And it's just, 615 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.320 you know, something you don't plan, it just happens. And then after 616 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.679 I guess if you stay around long enough, people start recognizing a little bit. 617 00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:45.840 You know. I got to do a few things other than just referee, 618 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:47.800 you know, working behind the scenes and that kind of thing, and 619 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.559 that that helped. But yeah, it's it's it's not feel really blessed that 620 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.480 that some recognition has come in the last few years. Especially, Yeah, 621 00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.239 who were some of the people that you remember used the referee read the best 622 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.400 and a few did say, you know, I was really fortunate in Dallas, 623 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.079 a lot of them did. Uh and and and of course that was 624 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.960 a different situation in those In in those days, it was it was all 625 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.719 about work, I mean, all about creating the matches you go, and 626 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.360 and in that situation, uh, I mean nothing was mapped out, really 627 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.760 do There's nothing except maybe a spot or finish and and uh and and then 628 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:28.320 that situation, it really helped that I understood psychology and and and what they 629 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.719 were trying to accomplish. And I could help them get to that point. 630 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.719 And if I could do that, that was my goal, always to make 631 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.480 the match a little bit better. And and and I was very involved in 632 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:45.519 those in those situations. And just about everybody back in those days work matches 633 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.760 that way. So so I could say just about everybody that worked with us 634 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.440 like that. So nobody when you think back, oh, I mean, 635 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.440 you know, guys, the guys like you know, like al Parez and 636 00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.239 and uh um, Johnny Mantell, Black Bart, all those guys from the 637 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.760 Dallas area that I got to work with over and over and over again. 638 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.960 Um, that really understood that could work with anybody, getting in the ring 639 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.480 with anybody without saying a word and just have a good match. And and 640 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:13.840 uh and those guys are always enjoyable to be in the ring with. And 641 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.239 you Lynn didn't the grappler. Uh. I could go on and on and 642 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.679 on, but but they're just really technically sound and it's always fun to be 643 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.159 in the ring with the guys like that. Would you would you when you 644 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.320 look back at your career, like in your head is like is world class? 645 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.320 Like was that your memory of? Like this is when I was deep 646 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.840 in wrestling. When I was you know, it was my home territory. 647 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.960 Of course, I grew up watching the Dallas promotions from a kid. You 648 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.519 know. I remember we lived about ninety miles from Dallas, and and uh 649 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:49.039 we were we were sometimes we could see the see the TV pretty well and 650 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.719 had on an antenna, you know, it'd be grainy and and and my 651 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.800 folks actually took me to the Spratitorium the first time when I was about eight 652 00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.679 or nine years old, and um, I saw a bull hurry and Red 653 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.880 Beastine and Danny McShane, you know, guys that i'd seen on TV, 654 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.960 but obviously I've never seen in person and bigger than life, you know, 655 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.960 and and uh it was so that was my home that was my home base, 656 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.039 which really fortunate it. Later on I got to got to know some 657 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.280 of those guys and again they worked with something. I'm like, we're ed. 658 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:22.599 Red was a dear friend and uh um, and I think but I 659 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.119 think the thing that really made my career is when is the Japanese thing? 660 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.519 When I got it went over there, it changed everything for me. If 661 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.880 you're a full time were you full time referee with world class traveling the circuit? 662 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.679 Yeah? Later on I kind of came in there a little bit later, 663 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.000 Okay, yeah, like are the how do you be a full time 664 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:45.320 referee? And I'm assuming not making a full time wage as a referee. 665 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.679 It was tough, right, Yeah. You hear about the wrestlers on the 666 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.199 bottom of the card being like, I'm barely making whatever. But I imagine 667 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.079 are you doing? Are you working? Are most of those referees working within 668 00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.639 the office? Are they doing stuff? Yeah? Usually doing other things, 669 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.519 helping the other things within within the actual wrestling promotion, not like another side 670 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.239 jab or do they do the Yes, yeah, sometimes it is. Sometimes 671 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.519 some guys had had other jobs too. And how do you have other jobs 672 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:14.280 when doing a full times tough loop. Yes, honestly, Well you couldn't 673 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.079 do that and go on the loop. You have to you have to be 674 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.400 paid. Yeah, And and you just live pretty sparingly for a while, 675 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.000 you know, And it would be rough a few times, you know. 676 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.400 But uh, I was really fortunate I didn't I got into it, and 677 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.800 uh, I was playing music actually when I got into the business business, 678 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.679 so I was kind of doing both for a while. It was kind of 679 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:39.960 dabbling in this and and doing this and and that. There was a point 680 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:43.280 to where it just got to a point to where you got to make a 681 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.679 decision, do one or the other. And and I was fortunate that I 682 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.679 guess they liked me well enough to at least make me enough to make I 683 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.880 could I could live on it for a while. And uh and then I 684 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.159 got the deal in Japan and that changed everything. Okay. And now when 685 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.800 you talk about the deal in Japan, Yeah, you were part of the 686 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.840 a s w S Super Show, Is that correct? Yeah? What does 687 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.039 that move on to UH. They they had a lot of politics involved in 688 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:14.039 this, but uh uh SWS ended up splitting because of UH in fighting with 689 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.679 the upper end, and I ended up going with h n OW, which 690 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.719 was uh Kendall Narkasaki Soakarada. I'm sure you probably knew him. Um, 691 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.719 he was a good friend. He's the guy that took me over her the 692 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.519 first time. And and uh when when they split, he asked me to 693 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.079 go with him, and and when you did that, um, he kind 694 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.440 of put me in charge of booking guys and and booking a lot of a 695 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:37.800 lot of the booking in the matches and that kind of thing. So it 696 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.760 was it was a good situation for me. So I mean, you know, 697 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.199 logistically, I'm always thinking like it'd be hard to bring over a referee 698 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.400 to Japan. Yeah full time yeah, or or on a full time touring 699 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.840 schedule or whatever. Yeah. But the first time I went over, they 700 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.400 were having the grand opening s WS was and uh, I thought, you 701 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.079 know, Soccarada asked me to go, and I thought it was just a 702 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.480 one time, one shot deal. Uh. That one they had two shots 703 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:10.239 uh in Yokohama and about seventeen thousand people both nights. It's pretty cool and 704 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.079 had they'd be grand opening and it was a real big production and everything and 705 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.239 things went really well. When I went to get my payoff that night and 706 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:21.920 uh Kabuki, who was one of the bookers, handing me my money and 707 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.519 he said, you come back next month, and uh I came back the 708 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.440 next month. The first first half of the tour was just Japanese guys and 709 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.599 myself and I had stayed and worked in the training center and U, which 710 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.559 that was another thing it gave me. That's the first time I really started 711 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.760 working with training guys and UM. And then I stayed over for the next 712 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.960 tour. And that's how it worked. I'd go in and do a tour, 713 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.119 work in the training center, and then do another tour and you can 714 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:51.840 come home and didn't go back and do that again. And and you were 715 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.559 a part. So you were part of that w w F versus s W 716 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.840 like that show. Yeah, can you take us through some memories of that? 717 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.199 Was that? Like? Was that like chunk No at the Tokyo Dome 718 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.159 at the Tokyo Dome. Yeah, I think of the matches I don't want 719 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.440 it was crazy, Yeah, Holgan and I can't I get them mixed up 720 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.199 now, Hogan and Tinue, and they ended up I think on the winner 721 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.000 had to return or something. They may have even tagged together. I don't 722 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.920 remember, but um yeah. The thing I remember about it is um um 723 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.280 earthquake and uh they had they had a shoot fight. Yes, holy shit. 724 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.280 So for those who don't know, I can't think of his name, 725 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.840 I don't know if you uh uh what was it? He was sumo champion 726 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.800 yet yeah, yeah, No, it wasn't granted it was another It was 727 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.960 a Japanese rather, it was John Tentta. Thank you? Yeah, why 728 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:44.519 not? Asked the Room of wrestling. Yeah, they remember things we don't 729 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:49.840 remember. Yeah, and they it's they both are I don't know the exact 730 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.880 heat, but they both are like sumo wrestlers, and they both don't want 731 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:58.639 to sell for each other. And there's like like forty thousand people. Yeah, 732 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.599 and they don't like you like they do eight minutes of like, well 733 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.320 if I shoot, if I go for the shoot, I might lose, 734 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.800 So I don't want to, like, I want to hit shoot, I'm 735 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.039 this guy, but I don't want to lose in front of him. And 736 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.039 it's one of the most interesting It's very much like great Antonio and Antonio and 737 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.440 Noki, where it's just this wild thing that happened and you were there for 738 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.039 that that he was in the office. It was with what's his name? 739 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.079 Yeah, yeah, he Uh he had been brought in, you know, 740 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.119 after he was a Simo champion and uh they were trying I think he'd worked 741 00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:34.599 some and maybe maybe uh bob his promotion or somewhere before training a little and 742 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.400 uh Ken you had brought him in. He wanted to mike a big deal 743 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.679 out of him and uh kind of the the drift I got while I was 744 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.320 there, he wouldn't show up at the training center and when I wasn't training 745 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.199 the way they wanted him to. And you're hearing all of this firsthand from 746 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.079 earthquake two? Is he like now, not from earthquake? This is coming 747 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.559 from the Japanese guys. Okay, yeah, but you're not like, yeah, 748 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.719 as an American and being able to speak English with earthquakes. Because I'm 749 00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:59.119 in the training center every day, so I didn't even see the guy cut 750 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.000 he might becoming the once or twice, you know, And and I could 751 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.760 hear all the rumbling and everything, and of course I knew uh Tenue and 752 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.840 Kabuki and those guys, and they were the upper at your mind of the 753 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:13.320 company and and Soccorata too, and they weren't happy with him and U. 754 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.440 The drift I got was that the thing with earthquake is he was kind of 755 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.920 kind of told to make it rough on him, Okay, and uh and 756 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.719 that's why how that started. Yeah, yeah, and then what was the 757 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.960 aftermath, like, were you in the locker room for Yeah, he got 758 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.480 mad and he jumped out of the ring and took off and just left, 759 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.679 just left. Yeah, okay, and then what did an earthquake vent to 760 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.480 you? After earth anything? Uh? Not to me, but yeah, 761 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.960 yeah, yeah it was there was a little a little excitement in the dressing 762 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.599 room for Yeah, I'd imagine one of the most interesting things. Um this 763 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.920 is I always funding interesting, Like when when do you realize, like, 764 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.000 well, I can't the refereeing and all this stuff has to kind of slow 765 00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.639 down for me and I might have to hit into real way. Yeah, 766 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:00.920 you know, I mean, I'm kind of I'm kind of at the stage 767 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:05.760 now. I feel like you know that I was saying that I can I'm 768 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.719 still as good as I once I ever was but uh, maybe once that's 769 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.719 it, you know, that kind of deal, you get to that point, 770 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.239 you know. And I was always interested in the creative side of things 771 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.679 and booking and and helping and training and that kind of thing. So that's 772 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:24.760 something that kind of carried me this are you know, I continue to be 773 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:30.000 involved in that and it's satisfying for me. And then tell me your favorite 774 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:36.239 von Eric memory. Oh my gosh. Uh, you know, it's kind 775 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.159 of weird that there's so many of them because I knew, uh Carrie was 776 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:43.880 a good friend, a really dear friend. Um, I don't know if 777 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.280 this would be a favorite memory or not, but it's one that stands out 778 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.800 for me. And it was in Japan too. He was working with W. 779 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.559 T. B Off at the time, and they were on a tour 780 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.239 over there. Because we were working with them, they would come over and 781 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:59.199 we'd do tours with them. And we went out one night. Um, 782 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:04.679 myself was Carry and uh Rick Martell, Sean, Shaan Michaels, may have 783 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.519 been somebody else I don't remember, but anyway, we'd gone out and had 784 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.679 a pretty big time and we came back to the hotel and Carry said let's 785 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:14.800 go downstairs and I wanted want something to eat, you know, some It 786 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.760 was late and they were about to close and all they had was pie, 787 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.719 so he ordered a whole pie. Yeah, beat something, and I said 788 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.480 to carry I don't you know. So I sat there with him for a 789 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.119 while. I said, I got to go to bed. Man. He 790 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:30.960 said, ah, you know. Finally I got up left. And the 791 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.559 next morning Sean calls me and he says, have you seen carry? I'm 792 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.039 going like, oh, Man saw him last night he went to bed. 793 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:42.360 I guess we got to looking for him. He was out in the hall, 794 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.280 leaning up against the door sleep. It didn't get into his room. 795 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:51.079 He just laying like this, you know, and he was just you know, 796 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.800 he said, oh, I couldn't find my key. So I just 797 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.880 went to sleep. And then later on he told me, he said, 798 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.199 he said, yeah, I had my key, but I got to thinking 799 00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.440 about David in his room when he couldn't I couldn't go in there. You 800 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:06.599 know. That kind of a morbid memory. But that's deep. Yeah, 801 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:07.880 yeah, and sticks with you. Yeah, that's definitely something that would stick. 802 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.360 Absolutely very interesting. All right, James Beard, everybody, thank you 803 00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:22.079 guys. Last, but not least, I'm excited to bring in the main 804 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:27.599 events of the show. Dressed to the nines. Please give it up for 805 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:37.000 Hollywood. Rock Riddle. Oh oh, he's breaking format, breaking format, 806 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.320 I notice, and I will tell you this, sir. For those of 807 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:44.000 you at home, Rock Riddle is now in the crowd. He refuses to 808 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.880 come sit next to me. Go on, well, it's it's a traumatic 809 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.239 thing if I come sitting next to you. As the and I just did 810 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:57.480 account as the five hundred and seventeen people who are in the audience, and 811 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.119 those are five hundred and seventeen who stay in the audience. No one walked 812 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.800 out. The reason they didn't because they saw that Rock Riddle was still here 813 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:10.280 and there was still a chance for them to be able to experience this amazing 814 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.079 man in person. How could these five hundred and seventeen people see all the 815 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:22.239 way through that door to the luxurious green room where I have caviare and sushi 816 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.920 waiting for you. I mean, I guess maybe they heard you bragging about 817 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.159 all the wonderful, luxurious items that are back then. I don't brag about 818 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:36.280 anything. And the reason that I hesitated to come out here and sit down 819 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:42.199 next to you was because this is something that has never been done before a 820 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.199 podcast. No, actually, I think those have been done before. You 821 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:54.280 putting yourself over. Yes, I have never put myself over before sitting down 822 00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:02.239 next to you for the first time publicly, I think everyone should. Oh 823 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.760 my gosh. The people who are listening, they're missing out. But everyone 824 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.119 here in person, the five hundred and seventeen people, look at this, 825 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:17.119 two of the handsomest, most talented people on the planet together, they're in 826 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:27.760 the same spot. I don't even know if these people can handle this. 827 00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.559 They all live vicariously through people like you and I. That's true. Not 828 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:38.000 Rock, the original Rock and the original see we can say this since Brian 829 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:43.519 is out of the room. It was his very good friends. So the 830 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:49.280 original mister Wonderful personal right. So here he is, direct from his palatial 831 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.840 estate high in the hills of Hollywood, California. The first, the only, 832 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:59.800 the original Mister Wonderful of professional wrestling, the Diamond Ring and Lamborghini Man 833 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:06.559 Them and who possesses the body that men fear and women love, The Intercontinental 834 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:16.920 Lover, the Rolls Royce of wrestling. Riddle. Wow, justin Roberts flashbacks. 835 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:21.920 I was having right there. You will say you did a great job 836 00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:25.280 of introducing me, but I thought I could do an even better job because 837 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:30.480 as much as you love and admire me loving a masculine way of course, 838 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.119 no, it's sexually. Also, oh, you are the first man in 839 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:42.400 my life who ever found me attractive. No gay guys ever found me attractive. 840 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.480 I missed out and now you find me attractive. I want to see 841 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.159 if we can end this podcast right now. Come back to my suite. 842 00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.320 I've got like half of a room on the eighth floor. They gave me 843 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.039 this. It's got it's amazing, and you and I can sit down and 844 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.800 talk about that. Yeah, I'd hit it, for sure, Yeah, 845 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:07.400 for sure, unbelievable Rock. Let's talk a little bit about professional wrestling. 846 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.079 First of all, were you a little upset? Well, we'll tell me 847 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.599 about like honestly, I know you're a gimmick, but were you upset a 848 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.639 when mister wonderful Paul made it made it on television with mister wonderful and b 849 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:22.119 when the Rock pronounced himself as the Rock. Okay, first we go. 850 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:29.159 My understanding is that Paul Orndorff was a very nice person the wrestler. Instead 851 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:34.719 of showing you a lot of the person here who has that character if you 852 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:38.599 will, so close to the skin and it wants to come out and I 853 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:44.920 can just feel it and see and we can start talking about how ugly the 854 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.480 fans are and all, wait, I have to be me. Okay. 855 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:54.199 So the reality is I wish he had come to me and said, Rock, 856 00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:59.719 you're not real active in the business at that particular point. I'd like 857 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:04.119 to sort of used that gimmick. What do you think Most likely I would 858 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.679 have said, yeah, go ahead, is this the Rock? But he 859 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:13.559 never did that. I don't know. It may have been my very good, 860 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.320 dearly departed friend, mister Roddy Piper. It may have been Roddy Piper 861 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.960 who suggested it to him. I never asked Roddy, but Roddy may have 862 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.800 said, hey, look, Rock is sort of going into semi retirement a 863 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:28.519 little bit, and little did he know I would make such an amazing comeback. 864 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.320 He was using this gimmick. He has this great gimmick, this mister 865 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.679 wonderful gimmick. Why don't we use that? And I don't know what I 866 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:42.280 can say. Okay. I was at an event in Las Vegas Atta Atta 867 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.639 Johnson, who is the Rocks mom She had just finished an interview with someone 868 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:52.000 amazing, not on your level of amaze much, but someone amazing and some 869 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.360 I think it was a national television interview, but she had just finished up. 870 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:01.280 Yeah, you're international, this was only national. I'm Internet national. 871 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:07.960 Oh that too. So Ata was in My friend. Ata had just finished 872 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.559 this national not Internet. Great edit point, by the way, go On 873 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:21.360 had just finished this interview when I walked in. I heard the last thing 874 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.519 she was saying, and about her son, and I said, you know, 875 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:30.480 I was the rock before the rock was the rock. I was rock 876 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:35.719 before Rocky was Rocky. But and of course I was. And she said 877 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:42.159 stop. She looked at the cinematographer, the videographer, she said, roll 878 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.599 your cameras. She says, we need this on video. We need to 879 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:52.719 record this. I want to record this and send a copy to my son. 880 01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.800 So I started the whole thing, even going further in there, talking 881 01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:02.280 about sort of putting down her on a bit, and how he's attempting to 882 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:08.519 copy me, the real original Rock, the original mister wonderful. Look at 883 01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:14.760 the impostors out there, those who attempt to be me, and they never 884 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.679 will be. Anyway, we did a little bit like that, and she 885 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:25.920 said, Rock Riddle, you are atrocious, my son. Rock is the 886 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:31.840 only real true Rock. And I said, come over and stand next to 887 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.119 me when you say that, and said, look over here, cheat the 888 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:43.760 camera as they say, put your arm around me. Okay, zoom in 889 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:47.840 on this space, Dwayne, your mom and I are running away together. 890 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.199 Did you ever work with Rocky Johnson? I did not. I worked with 891 01:01:54.199 --> 01:02:00.360 his father and when I was very very young, when I was brand new, 892 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:04.320 and of course I started as a teenager in professional wrestling, as did 893 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:08.360 you right? Yeah, you were what seventeen eighteen? You waited until you 894 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:14.000 were eighteen, and that's okay, you've done well. I got five hundred 895 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:19.320 and sixteen people to come watch a podcast when I when I was in my 896 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:25.000 early early professional days, I was working for Roy Shire and in San Francisco. 897 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:30.119 Obviously, great guy Roy would fly me in and out. He liked 898 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:35.840 me, and he said, come on up, I want you to be 899 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:42.039 under a mask, under a hood, as is the inside terminology in this 900 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.639 business. So that's why I'm not going to share that information with any of 901 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:50.639 you fans. But if they're actual real wrestlers out there, so I'm in 902 01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:55.760 the dressing room with Peter mai Via, who is Dwayne's grandfather. He was 903 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.480 just he was past time to retire, but he was close to actual retirement 904 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:07.000 from the professional wrestling business. So when he came into the dressing room, 905 01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:12.320 I had the mask on and I said, hey you you yeah, you 906 01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:17.400 old time guy. I beat you button Maxiicali. I would go to Google 907 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.760 out here and beat you up again, because you haven't hold it in. 908 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.599 You passed it. I was probably eighteen. Wow, Okay, I'm gonna 909 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:30.440 take you out there and beat you from boy from corner to corner, and 910 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.199 you're gonna like it because you're in there with someone who was much better than 911 01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.440 you, just like in Mexicali. When I beat you, I continue doing 912 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:43.800 this, he get t us getting really angry. He's to the point that 913 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.639 he's standing up moving in my direction. And I ended it by saying, 914 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.719 you don't have no idea with whom you dealing. Watched this. I took 915 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.119 the mask off and that he saw it was me, so it was okay, 916 01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.679 Well, so you was funny a relationship with him beforehand, though, 917 01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.559 Yes, he knew who I was, okay, but he did not recognize 918 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:11.920 Yes. Track Riddle everybody, my friend, I appreciate you. Thanks. 919 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:18.840 Thank a lot of ladies and gentlemen. This says I've been the art of 920 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.000 wrestling. Thank you so much for being here. We are in front of 921 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:29.639 a live is studio audience here in Waterloo, Iowa. Hey, before we 922 01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:31.719 get out of here, I am going to go back to my studio apartment 923 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:39.480 right now so I can do some plugs and oh come all right, Welcome 924 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:44.199 back to the studio apartment. 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They send me something fun to my 940 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.679 po box, which would be found on my website, Coultcommanda dot com. 941 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.800 Upcoming events August nine through the twenty first at the Monkey Barrel in Edinburgh, 942 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:54.960 Scotland. Come see me and John Hastings at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival Saturday September 943 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.639 three. I'm gonna be in Mesa, Arizona for Party Hard Wrestling's final show 944 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:02.480 September tenth. I'll be at the Mall of America for First Wrestling Saturday Night, 945 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:08.239 tro October first one, PW and Doncaster, England at the Doncaster Dome. 946 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.679 Team Shag is making a comeback. Also, I got shows coming up 947 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.639 in New York Chicago, Baltimore and more. Stay updated on the socials and 948 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.199 my website. Podcast cover art and designs by Jimmy Lee and photo by James 949 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.599 muscle White. Thank you to my forever sponsor, one Hour Tease dot Com. 950 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.440 They help run Pro Wrestling Teas dot Com. That's where you can buy 951 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:29.519 all of my shirts and cameo style video messages called shoots light Over at Pro 952 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.760 Wrestling Teas dot com Slash Cold Cabana. That's it for the plugs and the 953 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:36.760 upcoming events. I'm gonna send you back to the live show and then we'll 954 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:41.280 finish this thing off. Feel free to skip the ads at the end, 955 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:46.400 and we're back. Hello. Everyone really enjoyed those plugs and upcoming events. 956 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.159 Thanks everybody for supporting me. We appreciate it. But I would do want 957 01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:53.159 to think the National Wrestling Hall of Fame, which happens every single year, 958 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:57.239 usually the end of July here in Waterloo, Iowa. It's always a great 959 01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.280 crowd. There's great legends that come here. I think it's like an sung 960 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.679 hero of the professional wrestling world. Maybe because it's Midwest and Midwest just doesn't 961 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:08.159 get the love that we deserve. But it is a great thing that happens. 962 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.079 And also the National Wrestling Hall of Fame is open twenty four to seven. 963 01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.400 I believe if anyone ever wants to go there, they'll make sure it's 964 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.000 it's open. You can see the museum. If you ever go through water 965 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.320 Waterloo, Iowa, please come and visit, but definitely make a weekend of 966 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:24.039 it next year. I do want to thank the National Wrestling Hall of Fame 967 01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.440 and IPW and Troy and everybody for setting this up. I do want to 968 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.480 thank my guests, give please give a run of applause for Rbe, Brian 969 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:39.199 Blair, West Brisco, James Beard and Rock Riddle, Harry Is, thanks 970 01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.519 everybody that says has been the art of wrestling. For Cold Cabana, I'm 971 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:50.840 Cold Cabanah. Thanks all right, thank you so much for coming. We're 972 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:56.360 gonna do a fun little podcast here before this is not this is being recorded. 973 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:59.199 It's putting being put on the internet, so don't think it's anything stupid. 974 01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:06.239 Rock into other things. Also, oh, look at the minds of 975 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.960 these people out here. They're laughing at things there where they should not be 976 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.760 laughing. They're giving away their secrets just like you gave away yours. But 977 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:17.800 thank you for finding me attractive. You're not bad looking, I guess for 978 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.560 a guy. I mean, you're not my type because you're not female. 979 01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:28.680 But I don't know. You know, all women are trouble right. I 980 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:30.319 won't go sign off of that, but you're welcome to say, oh, 981 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:35.600 wait a minute, there's no place for female here. Is that that what 982 01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:40.479 you say you're trying to do to me? The Rocks trying to get me 983 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:41.880 canceled on my own show,