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Hey, everybody, Welcome to a
live podcast that was done at the Pro

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Wrestling Hall of Fame weekend in Waterloo, Iowa. A couple of notes on

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all of the guests. The first
guest is be Brian Blair from the Killer

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Bees. He needs no explanation.
Next was going to be both Wes and

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Jerry Briscoe, but sadly Jerry had
COVID and was unable to come to the

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weekend and the festivities. James Beard
is a longtime referee from World Class,

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amongst other stints. Our last guest
was Rock Riddle, who was literally a

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monster of a guest in the best
possible way. Rock was kind of a

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journeyman who started doing acting in la
and is just a straight up gimmick maybe

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Luke Gallows in thirty five years.
So Rock went off on such a tangent

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about who knows what that. I
did do some editing on this episode for

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the sake of a good flow to
a good live podcast. I did trim

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some stories down, including one from
Brian Blair and most of Rock Riddle,

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it is three to thirty in the
afternoon, but I did want to chat

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with you everybody for a little bit. It's great to have a crowd here.

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By a run of applause. How
many of you have been here to

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the weekend of the National Wrestling Hall
of Fame? All right? And who's

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a first dye? All right?
Great to have you here. One of

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the exciting things about this is not
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inductees and the whole ceremony, not
only the actual wrestling show that's put on

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or the podcast that colts doing here, but is the actual museum itself,

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which is one of the most fun
things to see. Is to see amateur

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wrestling, but also see the past
of professional wrestling. And every year I

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go there and every year. I
have questions, and I'm gonna propose to

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you all of the unanswered questions that
I have from roaming around the actual museum

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again by another rum flow who checked
out the museum this weekend. Okay,

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so I checked it out a little
bit before I came here, and these

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were some of my questions. I'm
not maybe some of you all had the

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same questions, and you can either
find me afterwards and give me the answer,

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or we can wonder about it together. So my first question was I

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saw a Thunderbolt Patterson who is here
this weekend. He had donated a pair

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of boots, pair of trunks,
and then I don't know if anybody saw

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that airbrush T shirt that he had
in there, And my question is,

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like what flea market did he buy
that airbrushing at? I mean, that

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was straight from the mall or the
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We see him on TV and it
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is like our grandma has the same
one and someone's doing that air brushing and

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they don't even know it's for Thunderbolt
and he's like, can you put Thunderbolt

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and like cool airbrush on this T
shirt? And someone was just like,

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yeah, of course, anything for
ten bucks. And next thing you know,

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now it's in a Hall of Fame. So I'm just a big fan

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of air brushing. The next one
was Jesse the Body Ventura. Well,

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I'll stop myself, Jesse the governor
Ventura. Did you see that? That's

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the political sign that he had,
which I think is an maybe there maybe

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a new addition this year which was
so cool. It was Jesse for a

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governor and it doesn't even it just
says Jesse, and I love that.

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Everybody in Minnesota knows exactly who that
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ever talks about was it was Jesse
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And so obviously my question is who
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she believe in aliens like Jesse does? And did she run on the same

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ticket. These are questions I had, they were unanswered. I just would

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you know, I want to I
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It's it's pretty impressive. Actually I
did have a question answered. The Lufez

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ring robe is in the National Wrestling
Hall of Fame Museum, and that's such

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an iconic ring robe. It's so
cool. I think about pictures of him

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wrestling in Japan with Carl Gotch,
like tagged with Gotch and just just legendary

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NWA matches. And I wanted to
know if there was anything in his front

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pocket because I'm nosy, and it
wasn't behind a shield. And the answer

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is no, there's nothing in his
front pocket. So the fourth question I

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had a lot of you saw mister
perfect singlet there the iconic baby blue with

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the black triangle on the front.
My question forever has been And then I

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tried to find out the answer there
and I wasn't able to find it was

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is there like a thinner piece of
fabric around his crotch? Because as a

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kid, I could always just see
his penis poking through and I couldn't get

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to it. I wanted to know
it was always him and Jimmy Snuko or

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always had a little turtle head pointing
at me as a child. It was

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very weird. It wasn't there.
No one answered the question, so please,

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if you know, let me know. And last, but not least,

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I would like to know how many
ladies from Flirt Gentlemen's Club have made

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their way over to the National Wrestling
All of Fame for those of you who

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not here. Every year we all
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Fame, and right next to it
is a Gentleman's Club, which has been

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there for a long long time.
I am honestly intrigued because I know the

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conversations in a wrestling locker room,
Like, what are the conversations in the

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Gentleman's club locker room for the ladies? Do they talk about wrestling? Do

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they know anything about wrestler? Like
what if there's one that's like so into

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amateur wrestling and I can't believe Dan
Gable is over there signing autographs and she

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can't wait to get off the stage
and go. These are just my questions.

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They really fill up my mind,
but they're unanswered. I appreciate you

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maybe if you have him later,
and I appreciate everybody. My first guest,

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please welcome to the show. Beat
Brian Blair. So entertaining, brother,

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you are entertaining. Well, that's
you've got an inquisitive mind. Does

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he not have an equisitive mind?
Come on, audience, give in my

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hand. Could combat the man?
These were all questions we were all asking

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ourselves. I just have the heart
to put it out there and wonder.

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It's beautiful, great to have you
on here things so much. You've been

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involved, You've been involved, and
maybe we could talk about this right away.

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You've been involved in stuff, I
mean as long I feel, as

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long as I've been coming here,
you've been coming here. Also such you

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play such a part in the Cauliflower
Alley Club. Is it important to you

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or where does your important lie to? Kind of I guess we would call

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this kind of like making sure the
history is still alive and making sure that

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I guess the brother and sisterhood is
still there. Does that play importance to

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you? And is that stuff you
thought about as a younger wrestler looking at

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the older wrestlers when you were in
the ring. Let me start with the

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last part first. I always had
respect Buddy Colt and Eddie Graham and Jack

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Briscoe. They taught me that you
have respect for everybody. Yes, sir,

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No, sir. When you had
to pay trans, you don't.

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They don't ask you for your trans. We used to have to pay five

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cents a mile trans. You know
we'd get in a car. You drive

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four hundred miles, you pay forty
bucks and can I stop you there?

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Who's who's doing the math? Being
like Brian, you owe this or no,

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you would? You would automatically know
if you went from Tampa to Jacksonville

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that that was two hundred miles each
way. We had established miles. If

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you went to Tallahassee that was three
seventy five, So that was heavy trans

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Sometimes I don't have a calculator with
me, but if you're only making seventy

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five dollars or one hundred dollars,
I don't think Eddie ever paid anybody less

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than a hundred bucks. But there
there were guys before me that went there

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for a lot less, and of
course we made a lot more respect.

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And the Cauliflower Alley Club ties into
the National Wrestling Hall of Fame because we

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help people that have the Calieflower Alley
Club helps people from the wrestling industry.

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I don't care if you were an
announcer, if whatever you did, as

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long as you made a living in
the pro wrestling industry and contributed full time,

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then we reach out and we help
these people. We've saved people's houses,

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we've kept them from having leans on
their lives basically, and it's been

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a great thing. But through all
this you learn that if we don't preserve

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all these things and these people that
have you know, the mister wonderful Paul

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warrendorfs. You know, we were
just talking about you know, at least

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Thunderbolts still with us, but we
were talking about Kurt Henning. These people

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contributed so much to where we're at
right now. We're all we're all together,

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and we want to preserve all this
history. And that's really why why

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I'm here, why we support this
as a whole, as a as one

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five h one c three to another. We just want to make sure that

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we're successful together because we're like brother
and sister organizations, if you will,

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Okay, so I'm going to touch
a little bit abond. You said five.

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So that's what stuck with me was
five cents a mile. Everybody's paying

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their own trans. Now, wrestling
has transitioned all over you know, over

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the years, right, it gets
the gets five nuns one hundred miles,

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Well gets to the boy. Now
where like some of us like part of

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our deal is we want this amount, we want trans we want our trans

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paid for. So my guests would
be like, you know, you hear

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the stories that Vince would pay your
one way ticket on an airplane. Um,

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was there a point where people were
getting all of their trans paid for?

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Where the top guys getting their trans
paid for? Was this something you

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guys would talk about. Well,
I'm talking to Colt, I'm talking about

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it in the territories. Yeah,
But then actually, Vince Senior was a

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territory of course, but and they
paid trans and those territories too. But

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then when we became like a world
organization. When I went there, um,

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I first, Um, let's see
when I think it was nineteen eighty

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five when the Killer Bees were born. I was there before and I worked

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for his dad. But but and
we paid trans like up until that point.

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And at that point we became so
national that Vince paid for all of

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our flights. But then once we
got somewhere, we were on our own.

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Let's talk a little bit about the
Killer Bees my face. See that's

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the generation we talked about a little
today. An I'm from Chicago. The

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Rosemont Horizon definitely the first show I
went to, headlined by Piper and Hogan.

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You guys were on the card one
hundred percent. I think it's been

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documented that Hulkogan had the idea to
put you guys together, you and Jim

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Brunzel. You can correct me if
I'm if I'm in correc now you're right.

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Can you tell me about the relationship
with Hulkogan and then the relationship coming

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together with the Killer Bees? Were
you for it? Were you against it?

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Were you cool? Like? Did
you enjoy the ride? Oh?

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I totally enjoyed the ride. I
enjoyed the ride as much through the territories.

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I wish I could really explain that
because I lived half my career through

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the territories and the other half propelling
to what you guys watched today, you

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know, the WrestleMania through the I
was there right before, so you just

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you can relate in time. Then
we were on two, three, four

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and right before five. I gave
my notice. But the times that we

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had and even the times after that, because I wrestled for so many years

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after that. What about you and
hulk wonderful times? Terry is a you

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know, ever since we used to
get pound pounded and pounded in the dungeon.

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Hero Matt Suda and Gordon Nelson and
even Bob Backlin would come in and

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he wasn't really a hooker, but
he was a good shooter. But we

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were constantly getting stretched and beat up. And out of three summers that I

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trained in the Dungeon where Matt Suda
runs the you know, the shots,

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only three people made it. And
that was first mister wonderful Paul Orndorff,

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who turned out to be one of
my very, very best of friends.

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Then I started, But I trained
with Terry for six weeks in the dungeon

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and then he had his first match
with me, and it was great.

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And everything was a rib too.
It's always a rib. There's always a

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joke everything, you know. They
changed the time limit and you were whole.

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Cogan's first match, yes, okay? What was he wrestling? The

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super Destroyer? Okay? Yes?
And it was in chiefly in Florida.

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How many people in nineteen seventy seven? I was chiefly in high school.

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I would say there was probably three
hundred people. Okay. And do you

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say to yourself, I mean I
no one's gonna say this guy's gonna be

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the next biggest thing in professional wrestling? Was there any inkling of that?

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Why is his sneak in the bar
to watch him play? He played in

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a band called Ruckus and there's a
place called the op and of the other

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place. And when I was seventeen
years old, I'd sneak into the bar

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and I'd watched Terry play the He
was just like a freak show. He

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had his you know, his mom
was lipstick and her jewelry and uh,

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you know, puts like six foot
seven son ten plus another another, you

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know, three and a half inches
with the platform heels on, long blonde

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hair hanging on that base, and
you know, a great band. It

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was a sight to see and I
got kind of u Then I saw him

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in the armory where we'd go on
Tuesday nights to really watch all the action,

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you know, Rodes and Pandemonium and
no Eddie Graham and Jack Briscoe and

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Buddy Colt and got so many Playboy
Gary Hart, all these cool, cool,

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cool stars, you know, Joel
La Duke, all these guys that

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were a lot of fun. Lots
of trips with Don Morocco anyway, so

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good times. So when you're doing
the Territories and for the third time you're

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gonna come and wrestle for the WWF
is it Hahulk Hogan saying, hey,

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I want Vince for you to come
in. I think I could tell,

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you know, is he playing the
role of promoter there for him to tag

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with Brunzel or they had Bronzel.
Well, so this is how it happened.

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Um, the Florida tape goes to
New York. So I was a

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Florida champion the first time. I
was a Florida Heavyweight champion, n WA

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Florida Heavyweight Champion, and the Southern
Heavyweight Champion. I went. I left

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Florida and went to New York.
I think that was nineteen eighty four,

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and right before WrestleMania one, had
some tremendous matches with mister wonderful Paul Arndorff

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that really really impressed Junior and from
there Senior liked it too. They both

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liked me, and I was going
to come back and work for the Intercontinental

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title, but I had to go
back to Florida. Went back to Florida,

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won the Florida Heavyweight title, worked
with Flair, and you know,

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I had some really fun times.
But Hogan called me up and said,

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because Vince stole Hogan from Verne.
And this is the rating period. You

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know, WrestleMania one starts where all
the territories are getting he slowly picks the

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territories and raids the top guys.
So I went from being the main event

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like from for Championship Wrestling from Florida
c WF to coming down and with Vince

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and being two weeks later on a
card in another building in the same town.

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And that's how he manipulated and got
the talent, paid the talent more,

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and controlled the world. You and
Jim and Jim killed. I mean,

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Hogan put us together because they worked
together in a WA for Verne and

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Jim was a natural tag team Him
and Greg Ganya were AWA tag team champions

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several times for quite a while.
And I heard that, you know,

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Jimmy had a reputation of being a
gentleman and a nice guy, and I

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didn't never had never met him in
my life. So they introduced us in

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Branford, Ontario, Canada, and
in nineteen eighty five and we meet talking.

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Uh, there's a lot of people
around, you know, all kinds

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of characters, George, the animals, see steel snook, I mean tons

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and tons of people. Uh,
Popo's over here. Um. But George

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Scott comes up to us. Uh. He had already introduced us, and

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he said, listen, we need
a name now for you guys. Wow,

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here we are Branford on Tera,
trying to meet each other. Um,

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so much going through our minds.
Now we got to think of a

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name. I wish he would have
told us that, you know, you

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know a little bit sooner. It
would have been easier. So think of

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something, think of something. You
guys are on in one hour, so

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we had one hour. Could to
come up with a name. True story,

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that's wild. We're kind of thinking, think of thinking, and I,

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um, we're thinking. I'm thinking
bees, Bees, Blair Brounzel,

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Blair Brounzel, the killer Bees.
And oh yeah, because I love the

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Miami Dolphins. That's why it pops
in my mind. I said, hey,

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you remember that. Now I'm speaking
out loud. My mind's stops,

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like it was like the wandering My
wandering mind stops, and I step into

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reality and I said, do you
guys remember the eighty two dolphins, Bomb

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Gardner and all the guys, Bonacani, the linebackers, five of them all

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were with bees where they were the
killer bees. And that stuck with me

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all these years. And if that's
if it sticks with me that long.

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I think Blair and Brunzel the Killer
Bees. Jimmy goes, that's awesome,

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man, I love it. I
love it. Wow, that's fantastic.

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And George Scotts comes by and everybody's
listening, and I said, George,

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how about the killer Bees? And
he kind of smiles and he goes,

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killer Bees, killer Bees, killer
Bees. I'll be back in as quick

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as I can. I gotta go
ask Benson. And so we uh,

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you know, Kipbitts. Everybody's Kippitts
in a little bit doing their thing.

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A lot of characters now in that
room Brantford TV. So you gotta imagine

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Jesse the body, you know,
just the cast goes on and comes George

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with a big smile on his face. He said, you guys are now

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the killer Bees, and he's excited
about it now. So I'm excited about

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all right, the killer Bees and
runs He's excited, and Lanni Pofo is

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extremely excited and he has a bag
like a hockey bag, and he reaches

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down and he pulls out a pair
of bumblebee tom the same ones we wore.

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So Lannie Pofo actually had those in
the bag his bag before we wore

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them. Are you were? You
like? Why do you have these?

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Lanny? What's the story? He
had more gimmicks than anybody I'd seen in

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my life. He could be a
night, he could be an elf,

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he could be whatever he wanted to
be a poet, you know, he

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had. He had all the gimmicks. The Vince needs a bee, I'll

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blb, no problem, beautiful.
He got his brother, and uh,

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you know that's that's the deal.
I mean, it was such a fun

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marketing gimmick of my childhood that it's
so fun to hear that story, you

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know, come about. Yeah at
one time. And I actually have a

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book that just recently came out called
Truth Be Told. It was number one.

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Be Told. Yeah, Truth be
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that I've touched on with Colt in
these few short, wonderful minutes, which

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I truly appreciate, of course,
and then I appreciate the listeners and everybody

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here. Um it's got everybody,
the cast of where we all came from,

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and experiences that nobody's ever seen or
heard before, and pictures and photos

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and and it's a it's an amazing
piece of art because of Ian Douglas,

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my co author. He's he's wonderful. Brian Blair, everybody, thank you,

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thank you very much, God Bust. What Brian doesn't know is that

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when I was in the w w
E along with my my next guest.

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Actually, I'm gonna bring up my
next guest I had, I had to

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canvass the town to get signatures for
him as he was running for the hills

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hills Borough County Hillsborough what was it? Me and Evan Bourne got went went

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to publics and got signatures for you
for your campaign. Yes, yeah,

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you're welcome. Happy to do it, Happy to do it? What was

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it? Hillsbury County, Hillsbury County
Commission District, sixth Countywide bocc All right,

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Okay, I'm actually I'm gonna I'm
gonna bring in my next guest.

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So I don't know if he has
any memories of this, that's but it'll

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be fun to talk about. Please
welcome to the stage. West Briscoe.

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Hi, buddy, what's up guys? How you guys doing. Do you

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remember that when Brian would come to
the to the school at Florida Championship Wrestling

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two point oh sorry and uh,
what I want to talk about two is

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uh. One day I was doing
UH. I was in Puerto Rico and

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you were talking about raining, and
I was working for Carlos Cologne and there

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was a crazy downpour and I'm like, I'm are we gonna start wrestle.

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Of course, Carlos is like,
yep, boys, you go out there

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and I'm like what. So I
go out there and I start slipping falling.

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I'm like, the canvas is so
slick. I didn't know what to

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do. So I come back and
I'm like, man, it was the

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worst match of my life. I
call my dad. I'm like, Dad,

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they made me wrestle in the rain, Like what do I do?

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And he goes, dummy, you
take your boots off. I wish I

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would have called him a little bit
earlier. I got that information. That

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makes so much sense because I never
wrestled in the rain. I didn't know,

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but everybody's Jimmy snooka tonight. Yeah
exactly. Yeah. But it was

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funny that you mentioned that because I
actually had that same experience in Puerto Rico,

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wrestling in the rain. You don't
want to ruin your boots, yeah,

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exactly, how your boots are ruined? You can't run the boots.

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Who the fuck your dad knows the
answer to these wrestling questions? I know

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I didn't. I wish I would
have called him a little bit earlier.

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Oh that's wow. Well did you
make it? Did you have arthurscopic surgery?

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Uh? Three three days before that? No? I did not,

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but I probably needed it after right. Fair enough, Um, good to

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have you on here. I'm still
want to know. Do you remember when

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Brian came to this would come to
the school. Yes. I also remember

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when Brian used to come to my
house with this Harley that was all killer

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bead out and I remember those good
old days of him pulling up in the

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Harley and nice, nice, Yeah, they would always come. I remember,

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Um. There have been so many
times where wrestlers would come in the

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middle of night and kick me out
of my bed and I'd be like really,

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and my dad like, uh,
um, I forgot the um which

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one was it? Um Ron bess
He's kicked me out of the bed,

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But the biggest guy was um um
guy with the I can make a lot

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of clues here. I'm trying to
figure it out. I think I can

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get it. One of those old
schools, the Road Warriors. No Blackjacks.

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No Blackjack. He kicked out of
the bed before too. But it's

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all of a sudden sounds very weirdly
sexual. No. No, I was

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a little kid. I was a
little kid. They come home and instead

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of the boys getting the hotel,
my dad's like, hey, come crash

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at the house. Yeah, and
of course I would have to leave them,

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of course, but you know,
but it has been so many times

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the wrestlers coming by and stop him
by and what would you do? You

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go on the couch or yeah,
I get forced to go to the couch,

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or you have the dog kennel.
You know, So what was you

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was your house? Uh so at
that time, let's say, if you

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were what one of those memories ten
years older or whatever, Yeah, I

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was like partly ten. Like how
where was your dad in his career that

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wrestlers were coming over? I think, dude, well, I think at

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that period of the time, that
was when he was controlling like backstage,

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and like I'm trying to remember,
but I'm thinking that was when he was

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more of Vince's right hand man and
like kind of so the guys would stop

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and he's like, you know,
you guys don't need to get hotels,

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come stay at the house, you
know, come crash. But at that

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period of his time, I think
that was when he was more of Vince's

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right hand man. It was before
the Stooges. It was kind of in

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that period when I was still a
really little kid, Like, do you

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have memories of your dad actually wrestling
or Eddie retired by the time you were

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figured I I never got to actually
see him, which you know, caused

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a lot of trouble in high school. I never in middle school. I

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never saw like I saw my dad's
tapes of him being like a badass and

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him being you know, tag team
champions and you know, all the stuff

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that he did. And then by
the time I got to like six to

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seventh grade, he was doing the
stoogest thing. So I got picked on

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a lot, like like I didn't
understand wrestling. I didn't understand what my

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dad was doing because I was at
the age that I was like thirteen,

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maybe like twelve, So people would
make fun of me, and I like

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to fight, so I don't care, like, you know, you know,

405
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,400
my dad's my hero, you know, make fun of him because he's

406
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,160
wearing a dress and doing that,
I'll punch in your face. Like,

407
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,480
so these people at your school weren't
like your dad. It's so cool that

408
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,799
was anyone else's father on television.
Every ye help, but my dad was

409
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,319
the way he was pretty I know, but I'm gone. I was a

410
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240
kid. I didn't know and then
eventually I realized. But you would think

411
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,359
that the other kids would know no
other way. Yeah, they took it

412
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,400
the other way where I got bullied, like harrass and the like. Sometimes

413
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,400
they'd be like your dad's weren't makeup
on team, Like I really would get

414
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,039
bullied and harass in school, and
like, you know, I got in

415
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,400
a lot of trouble. I got
kicked out of school for fighting because I

416
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,960
like, my dad's my hero and
people are like making fun of me and

417
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,680
like just you know, bullying me, and I like didn't you know,

418
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,559
I always I understand bullying. And
that's why when people allow shows, I

419
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,720
say, and stick up for each
other. You guys, like everybody needs

420
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,640
a friend, everyone needs somebody stand
beside you, and you know, like

421
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,920
bullying is not not right. And
you know I felt that myself, and

422
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,480
you know, luckily I can fight. So what would the conversation would you

423
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,480
go like, would you have like
a heart to heart kind of like kid

424
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,640
in parents situation of like I'm getting
bullied, would your dad be like give

425
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,559
him a chicken wing? Um,
My Dad's like did you win the fight?

426
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:42,839
And I said, yeah, he
goes okay, let's go get ice

427
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,000
cream? Is that right? Yeah? Wow? So even even so,

428
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:48,200
if you would ever, if you
would get in fights, which you seem

429
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,519
to have a lot as a child, your dad was okay with it as

430
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,319
long as I was, you want, as long as I wasn't the person

431
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,440
that was egging and all, as
long as I'm not bullying. But my

432
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:04,119
dad didn't want some people just to
step on me and you know, pushed

433
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,799
me to a corner where you know, I'm not going to back out,

434
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,359
you know, And like I never
picked on no one. I never was.

435
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,799
I thought I was going to fight
someone's because either I saw someone getting

436
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,119
picked on and I stood up for
that person, or it was because I

437
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,480
felt that they were really hurting me
and like I had nothing else to do,

438
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,680
like to how to fight back?
Was your house a wrestling house?

439
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
And meaning like I know you said
that people would come and kick you out

440
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,880
of bed, but like I don't
know, Like, so I was.

441
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,400
I was on this show The Young
Rock. Maybe you heard of it,

442
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,440
and um, you know you like
and then you started like seeing like these

443
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,240
scenes of like the Rack and his
family, and then Chavo is there and

444
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,319
then he you know, I'm podcasting
with him and he's telling me about how

445
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:49,759
his household is one of these just
like we're all barbecuing and right, and

446
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,200
there's just wrestlers all over the place
all the time. Is that kind of

447
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,240
did you feel that or did you
feel something different? Like was that not

448
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,559
necessarily the case? Yeah, that
was the case. But when when it

449
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,839
came down to it, Dad never
put it on TV. Dad was never

450
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,079
like we're gonna sit down and watch
it was like family time, I bet,

451
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:12,720
like wrestlers being over at your place
all the time. Yeah, oh

452
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,680
my god, Jack used to have
My uncle Jack used to have crazy parties

453
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,359
where there like god knows, who
knows what was happening there. And then

454
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,799
I went on Hogan's one of his
crazy parties where he rented out this huge

455
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,000
like casino boat and like one level
was kids level, when level was family

456
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,920
level, and the other level,
I don't know. I was too young

457
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,839
to even see what that level was
all about. I don't even know if

458
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:38,519
I wanted to see what that level
was all about. But you know,

459
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,920
it's kind of funny. I grew
up always in that realm of like I

460
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,039
remember Andre the Giant putting me in
his hand and just lifting me up.

461
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:53,240
I remember seeing the Undertaker eat eleven
cheeseburgers. I was like, I was

462
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,839
blown away. I was like,
he's gonna eat eleven cheeseburgers as a river

463
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,359
like he was. I really did
was because like so back in them the

464
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,559
day when they would come to Tampa, they'd have cheeseburger. No, I

465
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,799
would uh. I would be like
a little my dad would bring me to

466
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,160
the show and I would, you
know, get the wrestlers whatever they wanted

467
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,559
from catering. I would kind of
be like, oh, give me some

468
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,880
give a coke or whatever, and
I'd go no, no, no,

469
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,440
no, no, oh PEPSI.
So so you know they say, hey,

470
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,480
like, oh give yeah. As
eleven year old, you know,

471
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,440
I'm slinging coke in and out of
do you know w W you know That's

472
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,839
how I made the money. Come
on, now, you think I got

473
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,279
this gold chant? There you go, but no, uh, they'd send

474
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:42,039
me out to get like Pepsi coffee
or you know stuffern catering, and I

475
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,799
just would be, you know,
run around boy, and then Vince would

476
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,000
give me like fifty bucks and be
like, oh, here you go.

477
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,880
You know. So I would just
hear stuff of like you know, oh

478
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,519
tak her and be like, oh, go get me eleven cheeseburgers. I'm

479
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,880
like, whoa dude, this guy's
in the e eleven cheeseburgers. But then

480
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,000
you know he's also six foot nine
or seven foots Sure, I'm sure you

481
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,240
could somewhere in that body. Yeah
for me a little boy, I'm like,

482
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,079
I'm cheeseburgers, man. Like that
would last me a long time.

483
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,280
Um. So, when we first
met was at in Florida Championship Wrestling under

484
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,000
the w developmental system, and at
that time, like the word on you

485
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,400
was you were like this unbelievable wakeboarder. Yeah right, yeah, I was

486
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,320
in the X Games and uh I
was a professional wakeboarder for a good amount

487
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,000
of of my life. I turned
pro at seventeen and was able to be

488
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,119
blessed to travel around the world.
And so tell me a little bit about

489
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,159
the pressure or no pressure of like, you know, like being the son

490
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,800
of this you know, unbelievable champion. And then like from an outsider's perspective,

491
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,440
I see it like, oh,
like maybe he's trying to carve his

492
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,760
own path. But then it's like
there is an end or I don't know,

493
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,760
you know, like I don't tell
me what your thoughts. And then,

494
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,039
to be honest with you, you
hit it right. In my head,

495
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,840
I was trying to create my own
path. I was trying to be

496
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,280
West brisco I wasn't trying to be
you know, the son of Jerry Briscoe,

497
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,320
you know, Jack Briscoe like I
was. I was trying to create

498
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,880
my own I didn't and I luckily
I found wakeboarding and surfing and that brought

499
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,000
me a way to show myself and
kind of create my own path. But

500
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,440
wrestling was always in my blood in
my life. I have always loved it.

501
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,119
It's always been a passion. But
there was a one time that I

502
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,920
was just like, I kind of
have to separate myself and I have to

503
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,000
create my own path and my own
destiny and just try things out. And

504
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,000
of course wrestling always brought me back
because you know, wrestling is one of

505
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,880
the greatest things in the world.
And it was just a crazy experience,

506
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,880
but it came in all in full
circle. And you where where was the

507
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,719
X games that you went to?
Which X Games? I've done two of

508
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,960
them. One was in California.
I don't know where the other one was.

509
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,320
I've done so many contests and moors. And then the decision of like,

510
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,280
because I mean, I don't know
if you're starting from scratch as you.

511
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,239
I'm sure wrestled with your dad and
your uncle, but you know you

512
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,360
were like, Okay, I'm gonna
give this a go when you were signed

513
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,719
with the WWE, like, tell
me about that decision. Well before,

514
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,000
right out of high school, I
trained with Steve Kern and Eddie Graham and

515
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:19,159
a couple other guys. Eddie Guerrero
too. I trained with him right out

516
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,159
of high school, and I my
dad knew I wanted to create my own

517
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:27,719
path. I was so much stuck
in being in a shadow of my dad

518
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,639
and my uncle that it was time
that I gotta kind of fill my own

519
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,760
shoes, and you know, and
that's when I was just like, you

520
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,280
know what, I'm gonna go for
it. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it

521
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,400
everything I got and my dad supported
me. He was like, you know

522
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,519
what. And then I got to
the point where I couldn't compete with the

523
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,800
younger kids. I got to the
point where these guys are doing triple and

524
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,559
double flips and I've already had two
knee surgeries. So I started looked sitting

525
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,639
back. And then I went and
saw my uncle Jack and I talked to

526
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,719
him and he was like, boy, you should get in that ring.

527
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,800
And I kind of went into there. And then of course when I went

528
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,239
to FCW, I kind of got
bullied there too. I mean a lot

529
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,800
of the guys there were like,
hey, you're just here because of your

530
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,960
dad. You're not you know what
I mean. But I was there because

531
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,400
I wanted it. I believed in
it, and I love it. And

532
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,960
that's why I'm still here today.
I have not quit rustling. I've been

533
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,199
at every show. I give my
heart out every time I step in that

534
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,239
ring. And I'm not just here
to live off my dad's name. I'm

535
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,719
here to make my own name.
Give it up to that for sure.

536
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:34,800
Um. I mean something earlier you
said it was there's only something fascinating about

537
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Puerto Rico. I mean, Brian
talked about you know where you know Brody

538
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,159
was killed, but there's so much
like obviously with a part of the history.

539
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,719
But you did you live on the
island? Yeah, I lived there

540
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,400
for a year. I heard the
full year, the whole it was crazy.

541
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,559
Yeah. And then well, sorry
didn't tell me about Yeah, tell

542
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,800
me about that like experience and what
it was like. Yeah, it was

543
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,880
like right when I got released from
WWE, I was like I didn't want

544
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,559
to give up, you know,
I was like, okay, Like,

545
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,599
well because in that system started to
cut you up. But it's just like

546
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,519
you're you might have be wrestling every
day, but you're at wrestling practice that

547
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:13,360
you're like, you're enthralled in that
industry. And then once it gets cut

548
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,320
off, it's like do I go
to practice tomorrow? No, I'm not

549
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,119
welcome ar anymore. Right, So
weirdest, it's very hard mentally, And

550
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,159
I have said and I and this
is just a different tangent that I think

551
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:30,320
part of the release from the ww
developmental system should be like a mental health

552
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,599
check, because you know, like
you need that. It's so hard you

553
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,320
need to you need mental like everyone's
gonna have a bit of depression or whatever

554
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,960
it is to kind of slide yourself
out of going away from your dream job.

555
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,039
And not only that, it's the
structure, the knowing that you kind

556
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,920
of place and knowing that you have, you know, somewhere to be and

557
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,960
that you know, like that was
the hardest thing is when that all got

558
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,039
took on away And of course I
was Tag Team Champions at the time and

559
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,880
was about to debut on Raw with
Xavier Woods, and I blew my knee

560
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,559
out and right when I got cleared
to go back, I got fired.

561
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,519
There were so many questions of like
what did I do wrong? I would

562
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,719
you guys were just about to send
me an Xavier and put us on TV

563
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,480
and have us like go interrupt this
pay per view do this. We were

564
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,880
on four loops, like it was
already in the night before that we were

565
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,920
supposed to leave for the loop and
I had we had to drop the title.

566
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,039
I end up blowing my knee right
when I came back there like sorry,

567
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,800
yeah, we ain't got nothing for
you, so tail as old as

568
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,039
time, Yeah, of course.
Yeah, it's nice that you can still

569
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,159
by going to Puerto Rico. You're
back at every everything. It took a

570
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,559
while, like it took a while
to get there. I had to ask.

571
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,880
I asked my dad, I had
asked other people, and I was

572
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,039
like, I gotta like because I
was depressed, I didn't know what to

573
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,039
do. I didn't know what route
to go. I didn't know. You

574
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,599
know, you're so stuck in the
structure where you know your check comes every

575
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,920
Tuesday. You gotta be here,
you gotta work out. I mean,

576
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,360
it's awesome, like it's the best
job in the world because you get paid

577
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,360
to do what you love. And
then it gets taken away and you got

578
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,519
to start over. And then I
worked at it and I luckily Carlos gave

579
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:12,920
me a chance. And then at
first I was living in an apartment with

580
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,480
one bed with three guys. It
was rough. And then eventually I worked

581
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,519
my way up where I had my
own apartment. I was doing good at

582
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,519
my own car. You know,
like once you work your way up as

583
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,880
a wrestler in Puerto Rico, you
get more status, you get better rooms,

584
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,199
you know, if you move up. And it was a good experience

585
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,400
because I got to learn different styles
of wrestling. And then I did Puerto

586
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,760
Rico. Then I went to London
for a while and wrestled up in Europe

587
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,000
and then went back to Puerto Rico, and then that's when I got signed

588
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,840
with TNA, and then that's when
Mass and Nates and all that stuff started.

589
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,599
A nice little transition back in something. Yeah, and I felt like

590
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:51,679
I really needed it, As like
a lot of wrestlers, if you grew

591
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,519
up in the WWE system, sometimes
you kind of stuck in their waist.

592
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:59,800
It's good to get out and learn
different styles of wrestling and working different people.

593
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,400
So it was it was kind of
a blessing that I got released because

594
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,679
I was able to work all these
other countries and learn different styles of wrestling

595
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,719
and be able to create my own
style of wrestling and not being able to

596
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:16,480
just be programmed as a ww wrestler. Awesome West risk of everybody. Hey,

597
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:22,519
well, thanks for having Nicole.
I appreciate it. Yeah, oh

598
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:30,239
all right, I'm gonna welcome my
next guest to the ring referee Officiato James

599
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:38,119
Beard. Everybody, Hey, man, getting a good feel for it.

600
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Oh yeah, yeah, you're this
You're a natural at this, man,

601
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,639
I mean, I like talking about
wrestling. I thank you. I think

602
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,760
you found your spot here. Well
hopefully good. No one can fire it.

603
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,800
Fire me from it and make me
move to Puerto Rico. So I

604
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,679
got that going. That'll be interesting. Um, first of all, I

605
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:02,239
think it's nice as a referee that
well, I don't know. There's two

606
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,400
different schools of thoughts of it.
A lot of people want to say the

607
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
referee never wants to be should never
be seen from or heard from. Right.

608
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,480
But then it's nice though, to
like finally have like recognition and be

609
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:17,360
known as this like Hall of Famer
referee. I've been really blessed and that,

610
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:21,199
you know. And it's not really
something I've thought about when I first

611
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,239
started doing it. I'm just happy
to be in the ring, you know,

612
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,559
like like a lot of guys.
Um, I was very lucky.

613
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,119
I got to work in a pretty
high profile place in Dallas and and then

614
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:36,599
I ended up in Japan and and
got that experience. And it's just,

615
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,320
you know, something you don't plan, it just happens. And then after

616
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,679
I guess if you stay around long
enough, people start recognizing a little bit.

617
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,840
You know. I got to do
a few things other than just referee,

618
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,800
you know, working behind the scenes
and that kind of thing, and

619
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,559
that that helped. But yeah,
it's it's it's not feel really blessed that

620
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,480
that some recognition has come in the
last few years. Especially, Yeah,

621
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,239
who were some of the people that
you remember used the referee read the best

622
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,400
and a few did say, you
know, I was really fortunate in Dallas,

623
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,079
a lot of them did. Uh
and and and of course that was

624
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,960
a different situation in those In in
those days, it was it was all

625
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,719
about work, I mean, all
about creating the matches you go, and

626
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,360
and in that situation, uh,
I mean nothing was mapped out, really

627
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,760
do There's nothing except maybe a spot
or finish and and uh and and then

628
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,320
that situation, it really helped that
I understood psychology and and and what they

629
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,719
were trying to accomplish. And I
could help them get to that point.

630
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,719
And if I could do that,
that was my goal, always to make

631
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,480
the match a little bit better.
And and and I was very involved in

632
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:45,519
those in those situations. And just
about everybody back in those days work matches

633
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,760
that way. So so I could
say just about everybody that worked with us

634
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,440
like that. So nobody when you
think back, oh, I mean,

635
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,440
you know, guys, the guys
like you know, like al Parez and

636
00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:00,239
and uh um, Johnny Mantell,
Black Bart, all those guys from the

637
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,760
Dallas area that I got to work
with over and over and over again.

638
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Um, that really understood that could
work with anybody, getting in the ring

639
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,480
with anybody without saying a word and
just have a good match. And and

640
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:13,840
uh and those guys are always enjoyable
to be in the ring with. And

641
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:16,239
you Lynn didn't the grappler. Uh. I could go on and on and

642
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,679
on, but but they're just really
technically sound and it's always fun to be

643
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:23,159
in the ring with the guys like
that. Would you would you when you

644
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:28,320
look back at your career, like
in your head is like is world class?

645
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:30,320
Like was that your memory of?
Like this is when I was deep

646
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,840
in wrestling. When I was you
know, it was my home territory.

647
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Of course, I grew up watching
the Dallas promotions from a kid. You

648
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,519
know. I remember we lived about
ninety miles from Dallas, and and uh

649
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:49,039
we were we were sometimes we could
see the see the TV pretty well and

650
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,719
had on an antenna, you know, it'd be grainy and and and my

651
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,800
folks actually took me to the Spratitorium
the first time when I was about eight

652
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,679
or nine years old, and um, I saw a bull hurry and Red

653
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Beastine and Danny McShane, you know, guys that i'd seen on TV,

654
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,960
but obviously I've never seen in person
and bigger than life, you know,

655
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,960
and and uh it was so that
was my home that was my home base,

656
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,039
which really fortunate it. Later on
I got to got to know some

657
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,280
of those guys and again they worked
with something. I'm like, we're ed.

658
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,599
Red was a dear friend and uh
um, and I think but I

659
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,119
think the thing that really made my
career is when is the Japanese thing?

660
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:29,519
When I got it went over there, it changed everything for me. If

661
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,880
you're a full time were you full
time referee with world class traveling the circuit?

662
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:35,679
Yeah? Later on I kind of
came in there a little bit later,

663
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,000
Okay, yeah, like are the
how do you be a full time

664
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:45,320
referee? And I'm assuming not making
a full time wage as a referee.

665
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,679
It was tough, right, Yeah. You hear about the wrestlers on the

666
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,199
bottom of the card being like,
I'm barely making whatever. But I imagine

667
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,079
are you doing? Are you working? Are most of those referees working within

668
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,639
the office? Are they doing stuff? Yeah? Usually doing other things,

669
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,519
helping the other things within within the
actual wrestling promotion, not like another side

670
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,239
jab or do they do the Yes, yeah, sometimes it is. Sometimes

671
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,519
some guys had had other jobs too. And how do you have other jobs

672
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:14,280
when doing a full times tough loop. Yes, honestly, Well you couldn't

673
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,079
do that and go on the loop. You have to you have to be

674
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,400
paid. Yeah, And and you
just live pretty sparingly for a while,

675
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,000
you know, And it would be
rough a few times, you know.

676
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,400
But uh, I was really fortunate
I didn't I got into it, and

677
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,800
uh, I was playing music actually
when I got into the business business,

678
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:34,679
so I was kind of doing both
for a while. It was kind of

679
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,960
dabbling in this and and doing this
and and that. There was a point

680
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,280
to where it just got to a
point to where you got to make a

681
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,679
decision, do one or the other. And and I was fortunate that I

682
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,679
guess they liked me well enough to
at least make me enough to make I

683
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,880
could I could live on it for
a while. And uh and then I

684
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,159
got the deal in Japan and that
changed everything. Okay. And now when

685
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,800
you talk about the deal in Japan, Yeah, you were part of the

686
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,840
a s w S Super Show,
Is that correct? Yeah? What does

687
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,039
that move on to UH. They
they had a lot of politics involved in

688
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:14,039
this, but uh uh SWS ended
up splitting because of UH in fighting with

689
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,679
the upper end, and I ended
up going with h n OW, which

690
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,719
was uh Kendall Narkasaki Soakarada. I'm
sure you probably knew him. Um,

691
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,719
he was a good friend. He's
the guy that took me over her the

692
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,519
first time. And and uh when
when they split, he asked me to

693
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:32,079
go with him, and and when
you did that, um, he kind

694
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:36,440
of put me in charge of booking
guys and and booking a lot of a

695
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:37,800
lot of the booking in the matches
and that kind of thing. So it

696
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,760
was it was a good situation for
me. So I mean, you know,

697
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,199
logistically, I'm always thinking like it'd
be hard to bring over a referee

698
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,400
to Japan. Yeah full time yeah, or or on a full time touring

699
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,840
schedule or whatever. Yeah. But
the first time I went over, they

700
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,400
were having the grand opening s WS
was and uh, I thought, you

701
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,079
know, Soccarada asked me to go, and I thought it was just a

702
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:04,480
one time, one shot deal.
Uh. That one they had two shots

703
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,239
uh in Yokohama and about seventeen thousand
people both nights. It's pretty cool and

704
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,079
had they'd be grand opening and it
was a real big production and everything and

705
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,239
things went really well. When I
went to get my payoff that night and

706
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,920
uh Kabuki, who was one of
the bookers, handing me my money and

707
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,519
he said, you come back next
month, and uh I came back the

708
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,440
next month. The first first half
of the tour was just Japanese guys and

709
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:35,599
myself and I had stayed and worked
in the training center and U, which

710
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,559
that was another thing it gave me. That's the first time I really started

711
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,760
working with training guys and UM.
And then I stayed over for the next

712
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,960
tour. And that's how it worked. I'd go in and do a tour,

713
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:49,119
work in the training center, and
then do another tour and you can

714
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,840
come home and didn't go back and
do that again. And and you were

715
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,559
a part. So you were part
of that w w F versus s W

716
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,840
like that show. Yeah, can
you take us through some memories of that?

717
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,199
Was that? Like? Was that
like chunk No at the Tokyo Dome

718
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,159
at the Tokyo Dome. Yeah,
I think of the matches I don't want

719
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,440
it was crazy, Yeah, Holgan
and I can't I get them mixed up

720
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,199
now, Hogan and Tinue, and
they ended up I think on the winner

721
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,000
had to return or something. They
may have even tagged together. I don't

722
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,920
remember, but um yeah. The
thing I remember about it is um um

723
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:22,280
earthquake and uh they had they had
a shoot fight. Yes, holy shit.

724
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,280
So for those who don't know,
I can't think of his name,

725
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,840
I don't know if you uh uh
what was it? He was sumo champion

726
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,800
yet yeah, yeah, No,
it wasn't granted it was another It was

727
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,960
a Japanese rather, it was John
Tentta. Thank you? Yeah, why

728
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,519
not? Asked the Room of wrestling. Yeah, they remember things we don't

729
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:49,840
remember. Yeah, and they it's
they both are I don't know the exact

730
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,880
heat, but they both are like
sumo wrestlers, and they both don't want

731
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:58,639
to sell for each other. And
there's like like forty thousand people. Yeah,

732
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,599
and they don't like you like they
do eight minutes of like, well

733
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:04,320
if I shoot, if I go
for the shoot, I might lose,

734
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,800
So I don't want to, like, I want to hit shoot, I'm

735
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,039
this guy, but I don't want
to lose in front of him. And

736
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:13,039
it's one of the most interesting It's
very much like great Antonio and Antonio and

737
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,440
Noki, where it's just this wild
thing that happened and you were there for

738
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,039
that that he was in the office. It was with what's his name?

739
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,079
Yeah, yeah, he Uh he
had been brought in, you know,

740
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:28,119
after he was a Simo champion and
uh they were trying I think he'd worked

741
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:34,599
some and maybe maybe uh bob his
promotion or somewhere before training a little and

742
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,400
uh Ken you had brought him in. He wanted to mike a big deal

743
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,679
out of him and uh kind of
the the drift I got while I was

744
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,320
there, he wouldn't show up at
the training center and when I wasn't training

745
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,199
the way they wanted him to.
And you're hearing all of this firsthand from

746
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,079
earthquake two? Is he like now, not from earthquake? This is coming

747
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:52,559
from the Japanese guys. Okay,
yeah, but you're not like, yeah,

748
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,719
as an American and being able to
speak English with earthquakes. Because I'm

749
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,119
in the training center every day,
so I didn't even see the guy cut

750
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,000
he might becoming the once or twice, you know, And and I could

751
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:05,760
hear all the rumbling and everything,
and of course I knew uh Tenue and

752
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:07,840
Kabuki and those guys, and they
were the upper at your mind of the

753
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,320
company and and Soccorata too, and
they weren't happy with him and U.

754
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:20,440
The drift I got was that the
thing with earthquake is he was kind of

755
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,920
kind of told to make it rough
on him, Okay, and uh and

756
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,719
that's why how that started. Yeah, yeah, and then what was the

757
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,960
aftermath, like, were you in
the locker room for Yeah, he got

758
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,480
mad and he jumped out of the
ring and took off and just left,

759
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:36,679
just left. Yeah, okay,
and then what did an earthquake vent to

760
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,480
you? After earth anything? Uh? Not to me, but yeah,

761
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,960
yeah, yeah it was there was
a little a little excitement in the dressing

762
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,599
room for Yeah, I'd imagine one
of the most interesting things. Um this

763
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,920
is I always funding interesting, Like
when when do you realize, like,

764
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,000
well, I can't the refereeing and
all this stuff has to kind of slow

765
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,639
down for me and I might have
to hit into real way. Yeah,

766
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,920
you know, I mean, I'm
kind of I'm kind of at the stage

767
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,760
now. I feel like you know
that I was saying that I can I'm

768
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,719
still as good as I once I
ever was but uh, maybe once that's

769
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,719
it, you know, that kind
of deal, you get to that point,

770
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,239
you know. And I was always
interested in the creative side of things

771
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,679
and booking and and helping and training
and that kind of thing. So that's

772
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,760
something that kind of carried me this
are you know, I continue to be

773
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:30,000
involved in that and it's satisfying for
me. And then tell me your favorite

774
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:36,239
von Eric memory. Oh my gosh. Uh, you know, it's kind

775
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,159
of weird that there's so many of
them because I knew, uh Carrie was

776
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:43,880
a good friend, a really dear
friend. Um, I don't know if

777
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,280
this would be a favorite memory or
not, but it's one that stands out

778
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,800
for me. And it was in
Japan too. He was working with W.

779
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,559
T. B Off at the time, and they were on a tour

780
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:54,239
over there. Because we were working
with them, they would come over and

781
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,199
we'd do tours with them. And
we went out one night. Um,

782
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:04,679
myself was Carry and uh Rick Martell, Sean, Shaan Michaels, may have

783
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,519
been somebody else I don't remember,
but anyway, we'd gone out and had

784
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:10,679
a pretty big time and we came
back to the hotel and Carry said let's

785
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,800
go downstairs and I wanted want something
to eat, you know, some It

786
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,760
was late and they were about to
close and all they had was pie,

787
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,719
so he ordered a whole pie.
Yeah, beat something, and I said

788
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,480
to carry I don't you know.
So I sat there with him for a

789
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,119
while. I said, I got
to go to bed. Man. He

790
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:30,960
said, ah, you know.
Finally I got up left. And the

791
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,559
next morning Sean calls me and he
says, have you seen carry? I'm

792
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,039
going like, oh, Man saw
him last night he went to bed.

793
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:42,360
I guess we got to looking for
him. He was out in the hall,

794
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,280
leaning up against the door sleep.
It didn't get into his room.

795
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:51,079
He just laying like this, you
know, and he was just you know,

796
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:52,800
he said, oh, I couldn't
find my key. So I just

797
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,880
went to sleep. And then later
on he told me, he said,

798
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,199
he said, yeah, I had
my key, but I got to thinking

799
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,440
about David in his room when he
couldn't I couldn't go in there. You

800
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:06,599
know. That kind of a morbid
memory. But that's deep. Yeah,

801
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,880
yeah, and sticks with you.
Yeah, that's definitely something that would stick.

802
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,360
Absolutely very interesting. All right,
James Beard, everybody, thank you

803
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:22,079
guys. Last, but not least, I'm excited to bring in the main

804
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:27,599
events of the show. Dressed to
the nines. Please give it up for

805
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:37,000
Hollywood. Rock Riddle. Oh oh, he's breaking format, breaking format,

806
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,320
I notice, and I will tell
you this, sir. For those of

807
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,000
you at home, Rock Riddle is
now in the crowd. He refuses to

808
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,880
come sit next to me. Go
on, well, it's it's a traumatic

809
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,239
thing if I come sitting next to
you. As the and I just did

810
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:57,480
account as the five hundred and seventeen
people who are in the audience, and

811
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:01,119
those are five hundred and seventeen who
stay in the audience. No one walked

812
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:05,800
out. The reason they didn't because
they saw that Rock Riddle was still here

813
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:10,280
and there was still a chance for
them to be able to experience this amazing

814
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,079
man in person. How could these
five hundred and seventeen people see all the

815
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:22,239
way through that door to the luxurious
green room where I have caviare and sushi

816
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:25,920
waiting for you. I mean,
I guess maybe they heard you bragging about

817
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,159
all the wonderful, luxurious items that
are back then. I don't brag about

818
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:36,280
anything. And the reason that I
hesitated to come out here and sit down

819
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:42,199
next to you was because this is
something that has never been done before a

820
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,199
podcast. No, actually, I
think those have been done before. You

821
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:54,280
putting yourself over. Yes, I
have never put myself over before sitting down

822
00:55:54,320 --> 00:56:02,239
next to you for the first time
publicly, I think everyone should. Oh

823
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,760
my gosh. The people who are
listening, they're missing out. But everyone

824
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,119
here in person, the five hundred
and seventeen people, look at this,

825
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:17,119
two of the handsomest, most talented
people on the planet together, they're in

826
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:27,760
the same spot. I don't even
know if these people can handle this.

827
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,559
They all live vicariously through people like
you and I. That's true. Not

828
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:38,000
Rock, the original Rock and the
original see we can say this since Brian

829
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:43,519
is out of the room. It
was his very good friends. So the

830
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:49,280
original mister Wonderful personal right. So
here he is, direct from his palatial

831
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,840
estate high in the hills of Hollywood, California. The first, the only,

832
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,800
the original Mister Wonderful of professional wrestling, the Diamond Ring and Lamborghini Man

833
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:06,559
Them and who possesses the body that
men fear and women love, The Intercontinental

834
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:16,920
Lover, the Rolls Royce of wrestling. Riddle. Wow, justin Roberts flashbacks.

835
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,920
I was having right there. You
will say you did a great job

836
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,280
of introducing me, but I thought
I could do an even better job because

837
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,480
as much as you love and admire
me loving a masculine way of course,

838
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:37,119
no, it's sexually. Also,
oh, you are the first man in

839
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:42,400
my life who ever found me attractive. No gay guys ever found me attractive.

840
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,480
I missed out and now you find
me attractive. I want to see

841
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:50,159
if we can end this podcast right
now. Come back to my suite.

842
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,320
I've got like half of a room
on the eighth floor. They gave me

843
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,039
this. It's got it's amazing,
and you and I can sit down and

844
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,800
talk about that. Yeah, I'd
hit it, for sure, Yeah,

845
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:07,400
for sure, unbelievable Rock. Let's
talk a little bit about professional wrestling.

846
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:09,079
First of all, were you a
little upset? Well, we'll tell me

847
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:13,599
about like honestly, I know you're
a gimmick, but were you upset a

848
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,639
when mister wonderful Paul made it made
it on television with mister wonderful and b

849
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,119
when the Rock pronounced himself as the
Rock. Okay, first we go.

850
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:29,159
My understanding is that Paul Orndorff was
a very nice person the wrestler. Instead

851
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:34,719
of showing you a lot of the
person here who has that character if you

852
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,599
will, so close to the skin
and it wants to come out and I

853
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:44,920
can just feel it and see and
we can start talking about how ugly the

854
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:49,480
fans are and all, wait,
I have to be me. Okay.

855
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,199
So the reality is I wish he
had come to me and said, Rock,

856
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,719
you're not real active in the business
at that particular point. I'd like

857
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,119
to sort of used that gimmick.
What do you think Most likely I would

858
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:07,679
have said, yeah, go ahead, is this the Rock? But he

859
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:13,559
never did that. I don't know. It may have been my very good,

860
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,320
dearly departed friend, mister Roddy Piper. It may have been Roddy Piper

861
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,960
who suggested it to him. I
never asked Roddy, but Roddy may have

862
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,800
said, hey, look, Rock
is sort of going into semi retirement a

863
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,519
little bit, and little did he
know I would make such an amazing comeback.

864
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,320
He was using this gimmick. He
has this great gimmick, this mister

865
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,679
wonderful gimmick. Why don't we use
that? And I don't know what I

866
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:42,280
can say. Okay. I was
at an event in Las Vegas Atta Atta

867
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,639
Johnson, who is the Rocks mom
She had just finished an interview with someone

868
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:52,000
amazing, not on your level of
amaze much, but someone amazing and some

869
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:57,360
I think it was a national television
interview, but she had just finished up.

870
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,280
Yeah, you're international, this was
only national. I'm Internet national.

871
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:07,960
Oh that too. So Ata was
in My friend. Ata had just finished

872
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,559
this national not Internet. Great edit
point, by the way, go On

873
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:21,360
had just finished this interview when I
walked in. I heard the last thing

874
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,519
she was saying, and about her
son, and I said, you know,

875
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:30,480
I was the rock before the rock
was the rock. I was rock

876
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,719
before Rocky was Rocky. But and
of course I was. And she said

877
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:42,159
stop. She looked at the cinematographer, the videographer, she said, roll

878
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,599
your cameras. She says, we
need this on video. We need to

879
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:52,719
record this. I want to record
this and send a copy to my son.

880
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,800
So I started the whole thing,
even going further in there, talking

881
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:02,280
about sort of putting down her on
a bit, and how he's attempting to

882
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:08,519
copy me, the real original Rock, the original mister wonderful. Look at

883
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:14,760
the impostors out there, those who
attempt to be me, and they never

884
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,679
will be. Anyway, we did
a little bit like that, and she

885
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:25,920
said, Rock Riddle, you are
atrocious, my son. Rock is the

886
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:31,840
only real true Rock. And I
said, come over and stand next to

887
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:37,119
me when you say that, and
said, look over here, cheat the

888
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:43,760
camera as they say, put your
arm around me. Okay, zoom in

889
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,840
on this space, Dwayne, your
mom and I are running away together.

890
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,199
Did you ever work with Rocky Johnson? I did not. I worked with

891
01:01:54,199 --> 01:02:00,360
his father and when I was very
very young, when I was brand new,

892
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,320
and of course I started as a
teenager in professional wrestling, as did

893
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,360
you right? Yeah, you were
what seventeen eighteen? You waited until you

894
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:14,000
were eighteen, and that's okay,
you've done well. I got five hundred

895
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,320
and sixteen people to come watch a
podcast when I when I was in my

896
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:25,000
early early professional days, I was
working for Roy Shire and in San Francisco.

897
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:30,119
Obviously, great guy Roy would fly
me in and out. He liked

898
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:35,840
me, and he said, come
on up, I want you to be

899
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:42,039
under a mask, under a hood, as is the inside terminology in this

900
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:45,639
business. So that's why I'm not
going to share that information with any of

901
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:50,639
you fans. But if they're actual
real wrestlers out there, so I'm in

902
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:55,760
the dressing room with Peter mai Via, who is Dwayne's grandfather. He was

903
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,480
just he was past time to retire, but he was close to actual retirement

904
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:07,000
from the professional wrestling business. So
when he came into the dressing room,

905
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:12,320
I had the mask on and I
said, hey you you yeah, you

906
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:17,400
old time guy. I beat you
button Maxiicali. I would go to Google

907
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,760
out here and beat you up again, because you haven't hold it in.

908
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,599
You passed it. I was probably
eighteen. Wow, Okay, I'm gonna

909
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:30,440
take you out there and beat you
from boy from corner to corner, and

910
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:34,199
you're gonna like it because you're in
there with someone who was much better than

911
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:37,440
you, just like in Mexicali.
When I beat you, I continue doing

912
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,800
this, he get t us getting
really angry. He's to the point that

913
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,639
he's standing up moving in my direction. And I ended it by saying,

914
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,719
you don't have no idea with whom
you dealing. Watched this. I took

915
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:57,119
the mask off and that he saw
it was me, so it was okay,

916
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,679
Well, so you was funny a
relationship with him beforehand, though,

917
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,559
Yes, he knew who I was, okay, but he did not recognize

918
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:11,920
Yes. Track Riddle everybody, my
friend, I appreciate you. Thanks.

919
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:18,840
Thank a lot of ladies and gentlemen. This says I've been the art of

920
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,000
wrestling. Thank you so much for
being here. We are in front of

921
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:29,639
a live is studio audience here in
Waterloo, Iowa. Hey, before we

922
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,719
get out of here, I am
going to go back to my studio apartment

923
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:39,480
right now so I can do some
plugs and oh come all right, Welcome

924
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,199
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01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:46,840
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926
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,679
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928
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929
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938
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:38,920
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939
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,079
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941
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,800
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942
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:54,960
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943
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,639
three. I'm gonna be in Mesa, Arizona for Party Hard Wrestling's final show

944
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,480
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945
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:08,239
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946
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,679
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947
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:15,639
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948
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953
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954
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,280
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and we're back. Hello. Everyone
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956
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,159
Thanks everybody for supporting me. We
appreciate it. But I would do want

957
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:53,159
to think the National Wrestling Hall of
Fame, which happens every single year,

958
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,239
usually the end of July here in
Waterloo, Iowa. It's always a great

959
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,280
crowd. There's great legends that come
here. I think it's like an sung

960
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,679
hero of the professional wrestling world.
Maybe because it's Midwest and Midwest just doesn't

961
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:08,159
get the love that we deserve.
But it is a great thing that happens.

962
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,079
And also the National Wrestling Hall of
Fame is open twenty four to seven.

963
01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:14,400
I believe if anyone ever wants to
go there, they'll make sure it's

964
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,000
it's open. You can see the
museum. If you ever go through water

965
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,320
Waterloo, Iowa, please come and
visit, but definitely make a weekend of

966
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,039
it next year. I do want
to thank the National Wrestling Hall of Fame

967
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:27,440
and IPW and Troy and everybody for
setting this up. I do want to

968
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,480
thank my guests, give please give
a run of applause for Rbe, Brian

969
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:39,199
Blair, West Brisco, James Beard
and Rock Riddle, Harry Is, thanks

970
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:42,519
everybody that says has been the art
of wrestling. For Cold Cabana, I'm

971
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:50,840
Cold Cabanah. Thanks all right,
thank you so much for coming. We're

972
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,360
gonna do a fun little podcast here
before this is not this is being recorded.

973
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,199
It's putting being put on the internet, so don't think it's anything stupid.

974
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:06,239
Rock into other things. Also,
oh, look at the minds of

975
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,960
these people out here. They're laughing
at things there where they should not be

976
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:14,760
laughing. They're giving away their secrets
just like you gave away yours. But

977
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,800
thank you for finding me attractive.
You're not bad looking, I guess for

978
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,560
a guy. I mean, you're
not my type because you're not female.

979
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:28,680
But I don't know. You know, all women are trouble right. I

980
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,319
won't go sign off of that,
but you're welcome to say, oh,

981
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:35,600
wait a minute, there's no place
for female here. Is that that what

982
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,479
you say you're trying to do to
me? The Rocks trying to get me

983
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:41,880
canceled on my own show,