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Good morning everybody. I am here
live with Jerry Chandler from Synaps Films,

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and Jerry is somebody that has been
a part of this industry god for a

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very long time. At this point
we're gonna dive into those details and everything

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he does and everything Synapse has evolved
doing throughout the years. Jerry, thanks

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for coming on here with us.
My pleasure, love it, love it

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so a lot of people they know
for the most part that Synapse is mostly

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you and Don May and what we
see coming out of Synapse super high quality

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releases, everything that you guys touch. But the question is what exactly do

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you do for Synaps? Me?
Yeah, not much. I'm usually the

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per like I'm the business end of
the business, whereas Don's the technical end

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of the business. You know,
no one could do what he does,

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so it would be silly to claim
that I get involved in that at all.

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You know, he's really one of
a kind. But you know,

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I'm usually the guy who you know, will negotiate the deals and stuff like

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that with Synapse. Just so everybody
is aware when they say it's two people,

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it's genuinely two people. This is
an office in Michigan. Don and

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Jerry. They compliment each other beautifully. Right before we started recording, Jerry's

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got his daughter walking in. It's
it's just a small business that runs as

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fluidly as they possibly can. And
some of the stuff that you guys put

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out over the years has made some
massive impacts with just two people. So

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over these last couple decades, how
does it, I know it's gonna be

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a big question, but how does
it feel just to be like a lasting

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presence in this industry? It feels
great. I mean, you know what

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a question. That's a question it
would take me a few hours to ask.

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I mean, you have to go
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you know, and to do that
you literally have to go back to

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the nineteen eighties. You know,
it's a good thing. So exactly how

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did this start? Then? It
all started back when I was at college

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in Michigan State and I was in
a comic book store because I have a

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huge comic book collection, and I
picked up i'm going to say, issue

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number twelve or something, some super
low number of Fangoria that was being sold

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on the newsstand. So of course
I turned to the back page and they

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used to have subscriber class fight ads. And I remember a billion years ago

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when tapes were like literally just starting. Yeah, I made friends with a

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guy who wrote a film like a
fan fansy, that's what they're called it.

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His name was Rick Sullivan and his
fansy was the Gor Gazette. I

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mean he's vanished. I haven't seen
or heard from him in probably, you

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know, thirty five years or something, but he's long gone. But you

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know, so I put in a
subscriber ad saying for my first subscription,

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saying hi Rick and Allison, which
was his girlfriend at the time. You

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know, Jerry is that great?
Well, then the year goes by and

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I bought a beta player, you
know, one of those four hundred pound

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eight oh one players, you know, a three hour tape last fifteen minutes

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and whatever. I started taping stuff
off HBO, and for me, I

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was you know, I've been a
movie fan mine. When I was a

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little boy. My mom used to
take me to movies on the weekend.

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So I've been a movie fan my
entire life. So the whole idea,

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like, for example, when I
was ten eleven, twelve, I used

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to save my allowance money and go
to Kresgy's, which was a nickel and

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dime store and I'd buy the five
minute reels from Rodan or something. You

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know, our family had a little
Bell and Howell projector. Okay, so

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of course, you know, move
the clock ahead. I'm in eighteen nineteen

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twenty and they got a beta players
and you can actually tape a movie off

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HBO. And I remember the first
movie I tape was the very first Star

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Trek movie, and it's like,
whoa, I'm taking the player and the

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tape to Oh, my friends,
look, I'm gonna play a movie at

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your house. We don't have to
go to the theater, and it's a

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big movie. Do commercials. So
then I started, of course, like

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most electors, I started taping everything, of course, literally everything. And

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then when it came around to doing
my second subscriber ad. For my second

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sub subscription, I put in a
thing saying, you know, Beta tape

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trader seeking others. You know your
list gets mine, and I got started

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training with a bunch of people.
But I got one particular letter from like

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a fourteen year old kid, and
I still have it in my desk and

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I don't want to waste the time
pulling it out, but it's here,

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and I've known him done like thirty
five years or more, so you know,

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I still have the letter. He
was fourteen, he said, hey,

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here's my list of stuff, you
know, send me yours. Let's

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start training. And we did.
I'm about nine years older than him,

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so it was a little you know, but the years go by, right,

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and you know, he gets to
be eighteen, so I said,

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hey, you know, he became
my best tape trading buddy because he was

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getting some great movies. And I
said, hey, man, why don't

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you come up and stay with me
at my girlfriend. You know, you're

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eighteen now, where your mom let
you fly up for the weekend. He

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goes, sure, Sure, and
he did, and that kind of cemented

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a lifelong friendship. That's how we
got started. So that's how we got

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started as friends. Right. So
then you know, I'm done with college.

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I goes, I started a steel
company, and I started, you

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know, running that show and stuff. And he goes to college and he

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graduates, graduates college, and he
calls me up and he said, hey,

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I'm you know, I started a
business with a guy I used to

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do business with at the video store
that I worked at, and we need

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some money. Could you lend me
some money. We're going to do dawn

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of the day. I said,
sure, whatever, you know, no,

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but they got the buddy from somewhere, and that's how Elite Entertainment started.

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Well, it was kind of like
us the sense that his partner did

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all the business and Don did all
the work. But Don was never in

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town. And you know, I'm
just gonna say it like this. Don

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showed up at the office one day
when he wasn't expected and he saw mail

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he didn't expect to see. He
called me up. I called my brother

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in law, who's an account and
a lawyer. And my brother in law

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said, grab all the paperwork you
can and fly to Detroit. We'll pick

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you up at the airport. We'll
take a look what's going on. And

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it was terrible. Wow. So, needless to say, after three years,

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that was the kind of the end
of Elite. The other partner went

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on for a few more years,
but without Don there was no business.

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And I said, done, we
got you out of that, but you

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got to start again. And you
know, good luck, and you know

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you can do this. And if
you're on your own, you won't nothing

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battle happen to you or whatever.
Right, And he said, look,

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man, I can't do it by
myself. I said, well, no,

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no, I'm just lending you the
money to start it. I don't

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want a piece of it. You
know, I'm busy with my And he

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goes, no, no, no, I need you as a part.

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I said, why what do you
need me for? What do I bring?

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He goes, I can't run the
business. Look what happened. So

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I thought, okay, well that
makes sense. You know, what's the

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point starting over If the same thing's
going to happen. I could keep an

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eye on him and make sure nothing
bad happens to him. And by now

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you have at least a decade of
trust between you two. Yeah. Well,

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plus we started the company on my
money. What am I going to

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rest for myself? You know?
So, But that was twenty six,

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twenty seven years ago. We never
looked back, and it was the greatest

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investment of my time that I ever
made. Forget about the money. The

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money I was just given to Don
because he was my old friend. I

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was doing great in the steel business
and I wanted to help him out.

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He just lost everything. But then
he sucked me into the company and I

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will come in kicking and screaming because
I didn't have the time. You know,

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I was doing huge export deals to
Thailand and Egypt and India Pakistan for

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with you know, ocean going vessels
full of steel. You know, seventeen

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thousand metric tons was the limit of
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Lakes to the ocean. You know, because we're from Detroit, so we've

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looked stuff in Detroit. But so
anyways, again it's you know, the

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rest is history, you know,
if you do things the right way,

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and plus if you got a guy
like Don who's almost legendary, you know,

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you know, I wouldn't say it
was easy. It's been very,

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very difficult, but it's very you
know, so I guess to answer your

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original question, it feels great to
be here in this position after this amount

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of time. It's like we finally
got to a place where we're pretty respected

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by the people who liked the nice
stuff. So for those that don't know,

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yeah, it had been since ninety
five or ninety six since the first

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rumblings of sinnaps started. And the
important thing to look back for those that

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haven't evolved with the hobby that long, that has seen the evolution of multiple

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formats. It has seen the evolution
of people having evolving taste. It has

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seen the rise and fall multiple times, supposedly of physical media as a whole,

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but then also it's got the business
changing altogether, primarily because of streaming

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coming in. And for those that
don't know, some of those first releases

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from synaps were legendary laser discs,
right sure, sure, yeah, there

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is a wonderful I think it was
a student film that you referred me to,

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called The Sinnap Story. I did
watch that. I'm gonna have it

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linked in the description below on this
video and in the podcast, and it

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is a really interesting take from at
just over ten years ago or something like

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that. Right, No, it's
a lot older than that. Oh is

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it really? Yeah? Yeah,
that was his I think the guy who

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made that, his name's Nick.
He is now a professor. I think

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that might have been his thesis paper
or something or what. I don't know

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what it was, but it was
a project that he needed for his classes

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and he came to us. I
met him. I actually met him at

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my nephew's wedding. I'm sitting down
at the table and he's introduced himself and

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he goes what you're from, Sinnaps
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Wow, I guess what's happening?
Well, I know, you guys,

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you know. And then he made
that movie and everything you see at

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it, including the end, is
exactly as it happened. Those aren't special

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effects. That was one crazy night
in where were we? We were in

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Cleveland when the power went out?
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That was crazy. That was one
crazy night. So the student film

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is really an interesting glance into the
life of Synapse. But the cool thing

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is it really only covered like the
first kind of chunk of synapse, and

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a lot has changed since then,
so I don't necessarily want to redo what

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Nick did. We'll go into maybe
a few of the details, primarily laser

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discs. So for a lot of
the current collectors, they are so far

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away from laser discs, many of
them had never even seen one played.

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Can you can you share maybe some
of the logistical differences from back then to

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nowadays that Synaps had to face starting
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as you're talking about this, maybe
you can share some details about what

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that first release was, because it
made quite a splash you know, I'm

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I don't know if the people listening
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they could, they'll be able to
see a big difference between you and me.

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The difference is I'm at least thirty
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you know, you're You're gonna have
to be specific because my memory of those

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titles, we put out close to
three hundred releases, so it's very difficult

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for me to remember exactly what you're
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first came out as Sinnaps, we
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did a Better Place, Triumph of
the Will and Star Warped on VHS,

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and let me think we did a
Gamma O laser disc because all we could

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get was the laser disc rans GAMMERA
a laser disc. I think Dario are

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Jento's World of Horror and Documented Dead
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I mean, laser disc and VHS
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they were dying, so we kind
of nipped that in the bud because it's

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still you know, those weren't cheap
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time, right, you know,
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a DVD pretty strong, and you
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our fans saying, why are you
giving up on LaserDisc? Why are you

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giving up on vhs? They were
very, very annoyed, And you know

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this very day, we still do
DVD of almost everything because we don't want

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We understand there's people that don't change
their technology as the new stuff presents itself,

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and we don't want them to feel
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we've forgotten them. So you know, I had a question the other day.

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Somebody asked me, why are you
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I said, because it's a movie
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there's a lot of people still around, and those people only have DVD players

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and it's their movie. I'm not
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oh, it's finally out in a
beautiful restored version, but I can't play

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it because it's on blue ray.
You know, it's not us. And

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the big thing that that sort of
pushback has happened with every single format change,

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and if we go beyond UHD like
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that's just the nature of things,
unfortunately. But Donn and I are very

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sensitive guys, and if anybody listens
to the Sinavs Films podcast, we are

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always talking about how, you know, the people, certain fans say things

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that aren't nice have heard our feelings. So you know, we're awfully nice

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guys, and we're not, you
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you know, we listen to what
people say. If it's said in a

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nice way, we listen and we
try and give them what they want,

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you know, because after all,
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It's it's really their business, it's
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them, you know. That's that's
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the Night of the Living Dead,
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then he did Nightmare on Elm Street
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because what was happening was according to
my understanding. So I've been told now

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by people that if I'm not one
hundred percent sure, I have to qualify

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everything. My understanding of what happened
back then was don and his partner became

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friends with a wonderful, wonderful gentleman
who's passed away. His name was Jay

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Douglas from Anchor Bay if we all
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would happen is, you know they
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in them so they could get all
these great titles. And after they saw

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the work Don did on Neither Living
Dead, they decided, you know what,

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maybe we could get this guy to
clean our stuff up so our dis

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look better. And you know,
well, what's that going to cost.

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Well, they made a great deal. They would give Elite laser disc rites

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in exchange for Elite letting them use
Don's master for their whatever when Elite can

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only do the laser disk nice.
So that's that's how they got movies like

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Nimar on Elm Street and all that, but not Neither Living Dead. Don

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actually made did the work himself and
made I believe he made the deal directly

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with George and the other people.
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a lot of these decisions go down
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lot more hands involved nowadays, it
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the number that was produced on a
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releases had to be vastly different than
what we're seeing in sales today. Can

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you on that? I mean,
they made money, The elite made a

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ton of money. Things aren't like
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my biggest fear for the industry is
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not going to be any real super
restorations anymore. There are some other companies

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that do really good jobs, but
there's only one done, I mean,

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and that's take that people listening with. You know, it could be me

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just bullshitting, or it could be
figure it out for yourself, but yeah,

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there's only one done. And like, we ran into a rocky road

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when we started synamps. Our titles
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of quickly moved into the what they
call it the the sites that would upload

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your stuff and people could steal it
all free, yeah, torrent sites.

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Once those got super popular, are
we we are? Sales tanked. I

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mean, we went they went very
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while, they're all people wanted to
do was build up their digital library,

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you know, and it almost killed
us, but we survived, and you

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know, and then the early days
of video on demand, where you'd give

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companies your library and they you'd never
see any revenue, so we'd have to

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try and get everything back. And
then there's certain huge, gigantic companies I

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could say names, which I don't
want to, but there's one, one

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of the biggest in the world.
You could license them stuff to put up

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on their streaming site, but you
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They just they don't answer you.
You know, it's been We've had

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some titles up for a couple of
years that are out of license and they

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keep sending us checks but they won't
take them down, and we're trying to

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get them taken down. It's impossible. So the business is still pretty tough.

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I mean, you know what's helping
us is we do these wonderful special

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editions that we sell ourselves. We
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and we sell them at full price, which we're forced to do because being

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a national company, you know,
our titles are available at various retail outlets,

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and those retailers are not going to
want the producers of the disc to

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compete with them, and of course
we shouldn't, you know, those are

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our customers. So we sell it
full retail on the website, and it's

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mostly as a service to people who
can't get to the store or you know,

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whatever you know. And it also
so naturally when we have a limited

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edition, we're going to sell it
directly through our website and that that's allowed

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us to stay in business and do
more restorations. You know, a lot

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of people they think the price is
a little on the steve side, and

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honestly it is, but we try
and give you value for your dollar.

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We try and pack it full of
really cool extras and the work Don does

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speaks for itself. And the thing
is, the grim reality is if we

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can't make enough money to pay for
these restorations, we can't do any more

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restorations. So don't feel bad about
supporting if you like what we do.

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I would love to leave that topic
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to lead to this question where like
I said, a lot of the videos

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that we have on here are educational
in range at least in some points.

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And my all time favorite release from
synaps is one that I just saw the

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poster on the wall is Masker at
Central High And when this got announced,

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from Synapse. There was a lot
of people upset with the price, and

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obviously this is a premium release.
It's a really nice steal book. There's

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lots of extras on here. The
restoration and we're going to talk about Don's

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perfectionism in just a little while,
I'm sure, but the restoration on this

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movie is freakin magnificent. It looks
ridiculously good. It should not look this

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good, and this movie is kind
of still sadly like an underseen gem.

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And the people that see this immediately
go, oh my god, where's this

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ben all my life because it's now
one of my favorite movies of all time.

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This release, can you share,
maybe not necessarily exact specifics on the

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deals or anything, but why does
something like this at release cost? I

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think it was like fifty five something
like that, fifty five dollars, I'm

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not sure. Whatever it is,
it's very simple. The work. If

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you want perfection or as close to
it as we can get, that's expensive.

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You literally have to do the work
frame by frame. It takes an

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enormous amount of time, and that
time people are working, they have to

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be paid. Everybody's got families and
mouse to feet. Okay, it's tremendously

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expensive. Couple that with the other
effect of the fact that there's not enough

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collectors left. There's still a lot
of people perfectly happy to rip it from

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the internet or just watch it or
whatever, but they don't want to own

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it. So that market's very small. It's very small. And what it

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means is if you want us to
do the next title we got, we

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gotta at least break even on this
title. Plus we gotta pay for our

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rent, and yeah, we got
things we gotta pay for. And it's

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a small market. That's why there's
only a few companies left. You know,

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when sinnef started, who was in
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elite, which we have left in
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then came a few other and that
a lot of people came into the business,

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and over the years a lot of
them went away because you can't survive.

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And there's not many of us left. There's just a few. You

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know, you got Vinegar, you
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think we just lost code Red.
It's not because business is great and there's

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thousands of people. You know,
we have rabbit front of fans that love

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this stuff. But you know,
if you want to keep this going,

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it's just you know, it's not
like you know, you looked around the

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office a little bit. I moved
the computer. You know, it's not

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a New York high rise, right, you could tell. It's uh,

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you know, we do the best
we can. But you know what,

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we're happy. We love doing this
and we we make enough and it's enough

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and we're happy and I could see
doing this we ride off into the sunset.

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You know, last year was a
bit tough. I had a surgery

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and Don had a couple surgery,
So you know, we're getting a little

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long in the tubes. Yeah,
but you know, we're still fighting a

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good fight and we love doing it
every day. And the releases continue to

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be high quality, and that's why
I continue to shout it from the mountaintops

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that Synapse is still somebody to follow
because they are incredible. The newest release

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is a Creature from Black Lake.
You just mentioned this a few minutes ago.

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I literally just got this one in. But again, new four K

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restoration on this. It is one
that is making a lot of people happy,

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seemingly that people are getting it and
watching it, and I do want

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to shout out one thing that Sinapsa
has continued to do and that is evolved,

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like I kind of alluded to earlier, and one of the things that

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you've done best is the podcast.
You guys are incredible on the podcast.

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The stories that we get to hear, the insight, the fact that fans

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can ask a question and get a
national public response and everybody here is an

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answer at the same time is so
important to keep these communities growing. How

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how's it been doing the podcast?
Are you having fun with it? Yeah?

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I mean, but again, this
is something where I could take zero

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credit. This is all our friend
Tim O'saban who you know, He's in

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three different national bands. He's a
musician, just an amazing guy. And

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I became aware of tim you know, I started seeing him at the horror

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film conventions that we do and he'd
show up from time to time and we

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started talking, I think about football
of all things, and we became friends.

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And then at some point a few
years later he had me do he

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had a podcast, a weekly podcast, and I think it went on for

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ten years. I don't think he
missed the week. I know there were

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over five hundred episodes. So he
said to me Jerry, you know,

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I've never had you on my app
on my podcast. So we started talking.

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One day, he said, let
me start recording this, and then

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before you know it, you know, three hours had gone by. So

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he made it into three different podcasts, and he said he got a lot

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of great response. At the same
time, he got into a disagreement with

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the guy he was doing the podcast
with and they came to the conclusion that

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they were going to part ways and
stopped doing their podcasts. So a couple

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of weeks later, Tim called me
and he goes, hey, Jerry,

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you know what you guys need.
I go what He goes, a podcast?

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I said, whatever you want to
do. So he started asking me

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questions. I said, here's the
one thing I'm not going to do.

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I'm not going to tell you how
to do a podcast. You've got five

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six hundred podcasts. I've got zero. I don't know anything. Won't ask

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me questions. You want to do
it. If people like it, I'll

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keep doing it. I want to
have other people on it. I wanted

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the fans out there. If they
really like synaps, then they should know

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it's more than me and Don.
We have some very dedicated people starting with

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my daughter Noah, who work so
hard getting all the orders out and coming

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up with new merch and handling all
that stuff. She does all the photography

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for the website and everything. And
then we have people like Sean who's our

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Canadian. We call them our Canadian
Synaps guy. You know, Don and

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I we're getting too old to schlep
the boxes around from show to show,

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so Sean comes in. He's a
super fan, knows a lot about everything,

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and he does a lot of the
gruntwork for us. We got him

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on the podcast. I'd like to
have him on again. We got the

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couple that Synaps brought together, Ryan
and Jen and if you've listened to our

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podcast you'll know the story. But
they met at our table and you know

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they're a lovely couple. They come
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All these people we've gotten on the
podcast because we want we want people to

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know who they are. They all
are part of what makes us up.

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Sin AFS isn't really just me and
Don. It's more like a feeling,

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you know what I'm so it's great. One of the things that I had

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some people ask a question about is, especially over the last couple of years,

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you guys have been doing some joint
releases and this is one of them

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with Aero Video in the UK.
There's been some questions like how do how

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do those deals work out? Who
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to say one of the best releases, maybe of all time. Demons.

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I always say that this is possibly
the best gateway to Italian horror film that

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somebody could watch if they've never dipped
in. And this release just a prized

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possession, the moment I had in
my hands. Thank you, thank you.

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You know, I can't really get
into the specifics. You know.

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Part of the reason is because I
really don't know what the specific are.

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I'm not a great planner, right
yeah, I run the business, but

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I feel I'm a tremendously lucky person. I'm like the blind guy walking through

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the minefield that just happens to take
the right steps. I mean, you

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know they say, if a million
monkeys are typing on a million typewriters for

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a million years, one of them
is going to type out the complete works

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of Shakespeare. Ye, I feel
like I'm that monkey. You know,

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just things that you think about that
you never think the other company would ever

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agree to. Sometimes two people from
two different companies have the same thought and

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it just worked out. You know. The conversation went basically like, you

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know, you know, you know, even in business, you have friendly

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competitors and you have unfriendly competitors,
you know. And I always said,

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I like to be friendly with my
quote unquote competitors because all we compete for

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is the title. Once the titles
are distributed out to the various companies,

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my creature from black Lake isn't competing
with your whatever. If somebody wants black

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Lake, they're going to buy it. If they want your movie, they're

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going to buy it. So we
can be friends. But not everybody sees

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it that way. So we have
companies who are very friendly with I always

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bring up Vinegar Syndrome and Severn we
love those guys, and Arrows another one.

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We love those guys. So there
was a discussion something like, yeah,

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you know, to do these restorations
are so incredibly expensive. Well what

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if we pulled our resources and did
them together and split everything, and you

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know, you could help us with
titles that we're working on, will help

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00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.000
you with titles you're working on,
and whatever. So there's going to be

409
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.839
more. There's gonna be some other
really cool releases. And I mean it

410
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.240
was. I can't really get into
the specifics of how it came, I

411
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.640
mean, of course, but I
can tell you that it's been wonderful.

412
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.599
They are great people to work with
and we've had a lot of fun.

413
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.000
And it allows you to kind of
like let your hair done, you know,

414
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:15.079
it builds a certain amount of trust. So you know, I think

415
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.519
it's worked out really good. I
think they're very smart to you know,

416
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.480
for agreeing, and us we're smart
for agreeing. But lookuid we got.

417
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.519
We got our costs alleviated a little
bit, and they got Don's eyeballs.

418
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.240
And just to show you the difference
between us and a lot of other companies,

419
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.920
you know, they would show us
something and Don would give them a

420
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.400
list of what to fix, and
sometimes they would say, okay, well

421
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.960
we're a little late. So you
know, some things got fixed more than

422
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.559
others and some things didn't. But
Don sees everything. And to have access

423
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.440
to somebody like that, at least
you know, if you can't get to

424
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.440
something, you know where the problem
is. And if somebody you could prepare

425
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.160
a response, if you know,
there's so many different things that make it

426
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:06.839
cool to work together. But if
you just expand it out to life itself,

427
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:12.279
life is always happier when you're working
with people instead of anxiety from stress

428
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:17.079
from work against people. So this
is always going to be a preferable thing

429
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.359
to work together. We make a
little less money each but you know,

430
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.240
we live a year longer because of
the stress we didn't have to live with

431
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.799
for the year. So, you
know, great greatest thing we've ever done

432
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.000
in business, I think is you
know, hooking up with the arrow Folk.

433
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.759
Wow, that's pretty strong words.
And maybe for those that you know,

434
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.920
a lot of people have heard about
Don's reputation as being a perfectionist,

435
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:47.160
but maybe the actual gravity has not
hit a lot of people. And Don

436
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:52.880
notoriously is somebody that can look at
single frames and pick out things that nobody

437
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.960
else can. And because of that, things like master at Central High they

438
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.359
can almost look like they were filmed
last week, they are that well done.

439
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.760
And I'm curious if there's any you
know, either fun or maybe notorious

440
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:10.960
stories in the past that haven't gotten
a lot of light or play that you'd

441
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.960
like to share. Maybe something at
the very last minute, Don said,

442
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.360
hold on, I just randomly discovered
this or anything that would be fun for

443
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.039
you. I can't tell this story
for the third time. I did it

444
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:28.480
on one of our early podcasts,
and then Tim made me go back to

445
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.679
it a couple of weeks ago.
Yep, I'll just tell this story one

446
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.159
more time, and if anybody out
there has heard this story, please forgive

447
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:44.760
me. I got other stories,
but no story answers his question like this

448
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.719
one. Well, what's funny?
Hearing it again is what made me ask,

449
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:52.880
because I think more people need to
hear the story. Unbelievable. Okay,

450
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:59.000
so we're at a chiller convention.
This is like one hundred and fifty

451
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:04.360
years ago. Yeah, and uh, you know, back then, I

452
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.199
was a much younger man. So
on Thursday nights and Friday nights, we'd

453
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.880
get in on Thursday and set up
and then we party. Friday nights,

454
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.800
we really party. So Saturday morning, you have to be at your table

455
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.960
at ten, which means you have
to be down there around nine, which

456
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.480
means you have to wake up around
eight. I must have been out till

457
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.480
four thirty five o'clock, got back
to my hotel room, and I just

458
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.480
plots down in bed, and you
know, I'm sleeping in. About seven

459
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.639
o'clock. I get a phone call
and it's done, and he goes,

460
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:45.440
dude, we're fucked. Excuse my
language of everybody, you free freak.

461
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.639
I gotta say it as it happened. We're fucked. I go, okay,

462
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:52.159
hour, we fucked. He goes, you gotta come and see this.

463
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.199
You gotta. I go but down. I just want to sleep.

464
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:00.760
I gotta get up at another You
got to see this. Well there I

465
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.840
am walking down. His room was
on the same floor. You know.

466
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.599
It's like I got one shoe on
the coat. The robe is half open,

467
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.400
and I'm stumbling down. Here's all
of that. I come in and

468
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:19.159
he goes, sit down, Okay, opens up his laptop and he goes

469
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:24.000
watch this, and he hits play. I'm watching the end of the opening

470
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:30.239
credits of basket Case two are going
up the screen. The screen turns black

471
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:37.159
and the movie opens up. There. Did you see it? Yeah,

472
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.079
I saw the end of the opening
credits. They're perfect. You know,

473
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.559
Hen and Lauder did a great job
with that. He goes, no,

474
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.039
no, you didn't see it.
I said, no, don I didn't

475
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.960
see anything. Why did you bring
me down here? He goes watch plays

476
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.000
it again. I didn't see it
again, plays it the third time.

477
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.280
I didn't see it a third time, and he's now he's getting angry because

478
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.800
he doesn't understand people cannot see what
he sees. He's got a third eye.

479
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.159
None of the rest of us do. I go don So he goes,

480
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:12.440
okay, watch and he goes back, and he goes click click,

481
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:17.400
click, click, click, one
frame at a time. Sure enough,

482
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.360
there it is. The frame had
ripped and it had been spliced back together,

483
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.280
and you could see a little lightning
pull through. One frame. Wasn't

484
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.079
a series of frames, it was
one frame. And he saw it,

485
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:37.480
and I go, I hardly think
we're fucked. I mean what, He

486
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.480
goes, No, dude, we
gotta fix it. Okay, this wasn't

487
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.760
my first rodeo, so arguing is
not going to do any good. Besides,

488
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:52.159
it's half his company, and his
reputation is what made our reputation and

489
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.239
his work and not me. No
one's saying, hey, you signed a

490
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.039
nice contract. I'm a huge fan
of saying no. You know, it's

491
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.360
all him, So I gotta let
him do his thing. So I said,

492
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.639
all right, how much is it
going to cost? He goes three

493
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:09.000
hundred bucks to fix the one frame. I said, Okay, how long

494
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.000
do we have to delay the title? He goes a month, which is

495
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.599
not great. You know, nobody
likes that. The license or doesn't like

496
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.280
it, the distributor doesn't like it. We had to do it. But

497
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:25.960
that's a very good example. And
there's literally no exaggeration in that story whatsoever.

498
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.079
If you find the other two versions
of it, you'll find that all

499
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:37.119
three versions of that story are remarkably
similar. I appreciate Don's eye, I

500
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.039
love and respect his eye, but
at the same time, I can't imagine

501
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.440
the anxiety that he can see one
frame and thinks that basket Case two having

502
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.599
a split frame on the opening credits
will ruin synapse. And that's how much

503
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.480
you can tell he genuinely cares about
this stuff. And to think genuinely that

504
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.719
the company is fucked because of that
is like, none of us can comprehend

505
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.280
that. That's crazy. Ryan.
All I'm going to say is, who

506
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.599
are we to argue? Right exactly? And we don't have that talent,

507
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:13.039
so we built a reputation. It's
him. So you know, I've learned

508
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.039
in my life to stay out of
people's way, right and they know what

509
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:21.440
they're doing, stay out of their
way. You might have a different idea

510
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:25.039
or whatever, but you got to
remember if they're an expert in their field,

511
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:29.800
sometimes you just got to take something
on faith. And you know,

512
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.280
that's where we are these days.
These days, don and I never argue

513
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.760
about anything. It's like, oh, we need to do that, Okay,

514
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.400
got to do that, whatever it
is. And same with me.

515
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:45.119
I could tell him, don't do
anything until you know I have this work

516
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.320
down in that way, fine,
you know, we we just worked so

517
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.639
well together. It's like we were
born to work together. I don't know,

518
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.239
all because of Fangoria's subscription letters.
That's that's amazing. That's it.

519
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.039
That's how we met. One of
the earlier titles in the the Blu Ray

520
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.079
you know, Era of Synapse that
I really wanted to talk about because this

521
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.679
is a great film that a lot
of people for some reason either have never

522
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:16.320
seen or they'll they'll recognize the poster
but never discuss it. Anything about Intruder

523
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.760
that you can share with us,
you know, tracking down what came for

524
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.480
this release, because this is genuinely
still I think one of my favorite releases

525
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:27.920
from Sinnaps. This movie is amazing. All I can say is that's a

526
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:32.599
Don story about the restoration. But
the restoration is incredible. Yeah, there's

527
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:38.800
another version of that movie available.
I think it's only available on DVD,

528
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:45.599
but that's unrestored. It's missing scenes, it looks terrible. Don was able

529
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:52.199
to recreate the film and it's amazing. It's kind of all I can tell

530
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.079
you. I mean, I don't
even remember the deal. It's been a

531
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.880
while on that one. That's that's
that one's been a few years, and

532
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.800
I mean, that's that's maybe a
good time to bring up. There are

533
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.000
a lot of these restorations that people
see synaps either tease or you know,

534
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.599
talk about how they're working on it, and then they start to get a

535
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.440
little irritated because then it takes,
you know, two and a half years

536
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.800
to come out and or five years. Yeah, that's true, area,

537
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.800
or in the case of The Kindred, what was it, sixteen years,

538
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.599
seventeen years. I mean, yeah, that's why you'll notice we don't talk

539
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.519
about anything that we haven't released yet. For the most part. Sometimes something

540
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.639
slips out. I mean, people
know we're working on Deadly Spot a four

541
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.519
K, and they know we're working
on some other things, but we're really

542
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:43.119
not talking about it. Because the
most difficult of the hate was Suspiria.

543
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:49.239
You know, we were working on
something special and the guy from Germany wanted

544
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.079
to work with us, and Don
said, look, he's got nothing that

545
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.159
he's bringing to the table. I
can do this better than him. What

546
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.599
do I need to work with him
for? I don't We're doing this,

547
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.519
so we let him know and he
wasn't happy about it. And Don had

548
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.159
a relationship with Tivoli, the director
of photography, and they they did it

549
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:16.679
together, and the German version came
out before ours and it looked decent.

550
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.159
So on places like blu ray dot
com, you almost had a European contingent

551
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:30.400
of people telling everybody how the Synaps
one was going to be terrible and the

552
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.679
German one was how it's supposed to
look and blah blah blah blah blah blah.

553
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.679
And there were a lot of North
American fans that say, well,

554
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.840
we're not going to judge till Synaps'
version is out. But it got pretty

555
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.199
ugly and Don and I we don't
post. We don't post because people wait

556
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.519
for you to post so they can
attack you. Oh yeah, literally,

557
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:54.000
and you could say the nicest thing
and they'll figure out why you're an asshole

558
00:42:54.039 --> 00:43:00.480
for saying. So we don't post
generally, but it's difficult to see people

559
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:01.960
shredding you when you want to say, hey, dude, you don't know

560
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.119
what the hell you're talking about.
You don't understand this business. How could

561
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.760
you make that statement? Or how
could you say this? How can you

562
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.639
say that? But because they don't
understand the business, they're not going to

563
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.599
take your criticism of their opinions nicely, and you're just going to open up

564
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.440
a case that you know, that
horrible. So we keep our mouth shutting.

565
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.880
It's hard. But one day that
German guy posted something and I told

566
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:35.039
don okay, enough's enough. Grab
his disc and take ten pictures and then

567
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.840
take ten frames from our disc that
we haven't released yet. Put them up

568
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:45.320
on blu ray dot com. Don't
put any text there, don't say anything,

569
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.639
just put this version, the Sinance
version. Okay. That really got

570
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.880
people going, oh, you know, And then there was arguments. The

571
00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.199
best picture was the one of the
girl on the stage was all red on

572
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:06.119
the German one, but you could
see her purple shoes on ours, and

573
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.960
that really embarrassed the German guy,
and he came out and said, you

574
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:14.400
weren't supposed to see that color.
You know it was mine, is right,

575
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.360
But Tivoli said, no, you
are supposed to see that. That's

576
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.840
purple, and we made it purple
and whatever. But of course we couldn't

577
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:28.199
answer him, We couldn't say anything. But somebody just basically shut him up

578
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.760
by saying, well, if they
wanted it all red, they would have

579
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:36.119
given her red shoes. You know, you got purple shoes, so come

580
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:42.280
on, And this went on and
on. Now, like one full year

581
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:47.280
of the five years was waiting for
us the major studio to release the four

582
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.199
point zero audio for us, because
we wanted that because that was so rare

583
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.079
and very few people ever saw it
with that original audio that took a year

584
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.440
to get a year the studio would
not give it to us. We had

585
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:06.880
to keep jumping through hoops, We
had to fill out forms, we had

586
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.559
to change the title this and that
for I mean, but after a year

587
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.519
we finally got it. So of
course, you know, once that we

588
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.639
finally put it out and people saw
how nice it was really, that shut

589
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.599
down all the hate. But we
still had to live with it, and

590
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.079
it was very tough, and we
decided at that point no more announcing things

591
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:30.400
in advance. And then, of
course you held up the four K.

592
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:35.800
I don't know if people realize this, but we didn't just up convert or

593
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.400
make our Blu ray for four K. When we went to do the four

594
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:49.880
K, Don went back and started
from scratch. So because four K is

595
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.519
a different color space than our Blu
ray, and a lot of people will

596
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.920
just up convert their Blu rays and
whatever not, Don, So we got

597
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:04.679
a very positive review in a very
unlikely place because I never saw mover reviews.

598
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.280
But when we put out the four
K for Suspiria, Forbes did an

599
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:14.360
article on it. Wow, So
if anyone wants to fact check, just

600
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.440
go to Google and type in Suspiria
Forbes review or Forbes Saspiria review or whatever.

601
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.239
I'll put the link in the description
below. I mean, that's I

602
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.960
don't think I was aware that something
was posted to That's pretty damn cool.

603
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.800
They said the Blu Ray was the
best Blu ray ever created, and they

604
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.079
said the four K was the best
four K ever created. So that's high

605
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.960
praise, you know, that's high
praise. And the titles went very well

606
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.360
for him, and that's funny enough. I did bring that out because I

607
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.639
wanted to get that question out there
because a lot of people they saw the

608
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.639
Blu Ray come out and it was
less time than five years before the four

609
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.559
K come out, and people said, oh, well, obviously they just

610
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.480
sold the Blu Ray to make money
off of fans and then just immediately put

611
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:59.559
out the four K. And I
don't think they understand the dawn may of

612
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.039
it all, because there's no way
he would let that stand. No,

613
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:06.960
you would have seen it. It
would have would have had pixelation and crap

614
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.679
like that, and plus the color
wouldn't look as good as it does.

615
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:15.440
Let me listen, I'm not here
to win arguments or to people want to

616
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.239
think whatever they want to think.
It's part of what why they love the

617
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.239
industry. And I've said this on
my podcast before. I don't want to

618
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:28.199
necessarily set everybody straight. People don't
want to be set straight. This is

619
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.840
fun, this is collecting, and
this isn't you know. I mean,

620
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.760
sometimes I think they want to hear
that we're fighting with other companies. Sometimes

621
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.960
I think, you know, if
I was a fan, I don't want

622
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.880
to see these guys fighting with those
guys and having a winner. I'd like

623
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.719
to see them working together and more
movies and great stuff, but you never

624
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.880
know, the fan. The business
is about the fans. Without the fans,

625
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.039
we're all gone. You're gone,
and I'm gone. We're all gone,

626
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.440
and so is Vinegar, and so
is everybody else. We're all gone.

627
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.320
It's their industry. I don't want
to, you know, lift the

628
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.199
curtain and you know and see that
it's just an old man sitting behind the

629
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.400
curtain. It's not Oz the great
and powerful, you know, it's just

630
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.599
we're just human beings, right,
So we let them have their fantasies and

631
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.440
they're you know, they're you know, whatever they want to think. But

632
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:21.719
in this particular case, you know, we're not really double dippers. I

633
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.920
mean, if you want to look
at some egregious things, in my opinion,

634
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.599
look at Anchor Bay one hundred and
fifty years ago when they did the

635
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.840
five versions of Evil Dead with five
different covers. Man, that's a money

636
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.639
grab. I I you know,
listen, if enough people like your stuff,

637
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.519
you'll make enough money, you'll stay
in business and you'll have a nice

638
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.840
life. You don't have to get
every single dollar out there. That a

639
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.239
fan has in his pocket. You
know, when we do two covers,

640
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.719
generally we do dual sided, so
you can pick out and put on whatever

641
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:58.159
cover, whichever one you like better, you already have the other cover,

642
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.840
right, you know what I'm saying, it's tasteless. But then again,

643
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.039
Anchor Bay, to be fair,
they had a much bigger overhead than we

644
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:15.039
had, right, they were huge. They paid bigger licensing fees and they

645
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.519
had you know, so who am
I to say? I just said as

646
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.800
a fan because I remember standing in
a Best Buy. It was not in

647
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.280
this business when that came out.
I go, I don't want five.

648
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.960
These are covers, but I don't
want five? Which one do I get?

649
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.480
So uh, Anchor Bay? And
that was That was back in the

650
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.519
day where a limited edition was like
fifty thousand numbered copies and completely different were

651
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:46.559
literally a fifty thousand numbered edition.
I think people nowadays you know upset that

652
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.320
you know, like the Snaps release
of Phenomena. I think it was six

653
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.960
thousand for the limited edition or something
that is such a high number, like

654
00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:00.440
you have no clue. And you
know, we keep some back because we

655
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.559
take them to shows, right,
because we get a lot of fans that

656
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.320
want to buy some stuff from us
at the shows to show us in person

657
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:12.280
that they support us. So we
always like to bring those pieces there and

658
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.320
make them available for them, you
know, and stuff like that. We

659
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:22.239
always save some. I think I
have twenty Suspiria Blu Ray Steel books.

660
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.079
Those sold out five years ago.
In the first couple of couple of weeks

661
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.559
or whatever, there was a lot
of them. They all sold out,

662
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.639
but we put a couple of boxes
away for a rainy day for that fan

663
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.360
that says, you know, I
really miss that, I'm so sad.

664
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:42.480
Well, guess what, pal here. You know that that's probably one of

665
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.000
my favorite things about, you know, in this business, the chance to

666
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:52.400
you know, interact with fans and
do something nice that completely drops their jaw.

667
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:57.000
You know, you have no idea
how much. That is the perfect

668
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.199
segue for the last thing about SYNEPS
that I wanted to talk to about the

669
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:06.840
only reason that I got to get
Jerry's contact information is because a friend of

670
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.480
the channel, his name is John, reached out to SYNAPS because he was

671
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:17.079
looking for some old DVDs from Synaps
and they're from I guess align is what

672
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.039
we would call it, a little
sub label, maybe that you used to

673
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:28.320
do for Casannegra and John got one
or two DVDs direct from Jerry literally talked

674
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.079
on the phone with you. And
that is the type of thing that sets

675
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:37.280
Synaps fully apart in my eye,
because without that, it's it's literally just

676
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.599
a curtain with people working behind it. But the way that you have,

677
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.840
I mean the feel of it.
Literally it's just like a mom and pop

678
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:50.719
shop doing the best that you can
to get by but also delivering the highest

679
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.400
quality to make people happy. That
is like the perfect story. And without

680
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.360
that sort of relationship with fans,
there's not a lot of substance to it.

681
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.880
So they were twenty seven years.
I don't know how many times people

682
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.639
have said it, but from John
and all the other people, thank you

683
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:10.440
and thank Don. But cosanegra I
gotta ask any chance we ever see any

684
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.599
of those films on Blu ray,
because no, those are great. Come

685
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:21.519
on, as do you have time
for a quick how this happened? I

686
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.639
still have Jerry questions. I want
to ask. We still have ten to

687
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:28.760
fifteen minutes at least. Okay,
quick, I'll tell you real quick.

688
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:34.480
Back in the day, there were
two guys, wonderful people. Matt Kennedy

689
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:40.320
and Mike Liuza, and they formed
a company called Panic House and they did

690
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.079
a bunch of Asian films and stuff, and then they went on to do

691
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.519
some of those Mexican horror films.
So they formed the Mexican label by the

692
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:55.079
name of Cosenegra. They didn't,
as I understand it, they didn't own

693
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.639
the labels. They were doing the
labels for big company. And I'm not

694
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.360
so sure that the guy wants me
to use his name or his companies.

695
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.000
I'll leave it out of there.
But he's a guy who does a segment

696
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:14.880
on the Howard Stern Show. He's
very popular, and things didn't weren't going

697
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:20.239
too well. They You know,
there's many different challenges in this business,

698
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.719
and one of them is you don't
want to overpay for titles that don't sell

699
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.920
stuff, and they were doing some
of that. Plus they were making some

700
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.559
bad decisions. They felt that there's
a lot of Mexicans in the US,

701
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:37.360
and so they would do some of
the movies and just leave them in Spanish,

702
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:43.159
because you know, they would sell
whatever they were, like Mexican children's

703
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:49.960
films Pabello and Pepedo or Cibello and
Pepito, Pepito and Tobello whatever. It's

704
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:54.159
funny because one movie was Pepito and
Tobello and the other two were Cibello and

705
00:53:54.159 --> 00:54:02.280
Pepedo. So my confusion. But
they didn't. I guess they felt well.

706
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:07.440
I mean, one, I'm trying
not to say anything, of course,

707
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.320
as racist, because they am not
a racist. But I kind of

708
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:16.599
think that maybe their market is like
people sending money back to Mexico to support

709
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:22.320
their families. They're not buying DVDs, they don't have TVs and stuff.

710
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:28.480
Well, guess what, they didn't
sell any of those, and they were

711
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.559
running into some pretty severe problems,
so they kind of handed the whole thing

712
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:38.679
over to the guy who was financing
them. And I don't even know how

713
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.079
I came across them, but I
said, hey, you know, are

714
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.000
you having problems there? And he
goes yes. I said, would you

715
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.039
like us to help you out?
He goes yes. So what we did

716
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:57.119
was we purchased the inventory of Casanegra
and Panic House. We purchased their inventory.

717
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:01.920
We couldn't do their licenses or anyth
thing because they were non sub license.

718
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:07.440
But in the industry, if somebody
has pressed a number of units and

719
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:09.199
you buy them from them. You
could sell those units for as long as

720
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.719
you want. It doesn't matter if
you have a license to the title.

721
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.400
You're not creating new stuff. You're
selling a limited amount of goods that you

722
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:22.000
purchased. I think it's called the
law of Oh. I shouldn't have said

723
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.920
that, because I can't remember whatever, But that's how that came about.

724
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:34.079
And of course, you know,
there were six really decent titles, which

725
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:38.360
were the Mexican Horror ones, and
the biggest title of all was The Vampire

726
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:45.320
Double Feature, and that sold out
rather quickly. We got one hundred back

727
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.519
a number of years later when we
switched distributors in Canada and they found a

728
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.639
box of one hundred and they said, can we send it back to you

729
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.880
for a refund? And I said
yes. So we still have a few

730
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.199
of those lying around upstairs if anyone
wants. It's called the Vampire Double Feature.

731
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.039
And then we still have the other
five. I don't think it's on

732
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.400
the website, but you call me. If you call me, are my

733
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.119
numbers in the catalog, you know, we'll make sure you get them.

734
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.719
That's amazing. They are still sought
after. I just gosh, I think

735
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.079
it was about two and a half
three weeks ago. I interviewed one of

736
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.800
these contributors producers for some of these
discs, and after we were done recording,

737
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.880
we just chatted for another twenty minutes
after, like I do with most

738
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.599
of the people, and she was
saying, you know, I really love

739
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.880
this film, and I got to
think. I said, I think that

740
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.079
was a Costan Neigra film. And
I went and looked, and I said,

741
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.079
yeah, and look, it's in
stock And I gave her the link

742
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:44.559
to Grindhouse Video in Knoxville and she
went and purchased it and there. It

743
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.119
is so yeah that people are still
clamoring for some of those titles. Yeah,

744
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:53.639
I mean, it's possible that the
Mexican license or can find another company

745
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:59.880
willing to put them out on Blu
Ray, but it's not going to be

746
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:05.400
a huge win for whoever licensees because
there's just not a It's such a small

747
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.440
demand for those Mexican titles. It
really is. That makes sense. So

748
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:14.719
finally, now that we've got a
big grasp on synaps, I would love

749
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.119
to have just a couple things inside
the mind of Jerry to bring a human

750
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.000
side to close this down. You
mentioned you were a big fan of films

751
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.920
since you were very young. Do
you happen to remember what your earliest memory

752
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:31.119
with film is. I told this
story too, and it's so embarrassing.

753
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.519
That's a good thing. That's me, you know, I'll tell it.

754
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:44.760
I guess it's very embarrassing, but
I'm you know, I was born without

755
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.199
the embarrassment. Jeane, you know
it's embarrasing with it, Yeah, but

756
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:53.320
I don't get embarrassed good. I
was three years old. The year was

757
00:57:53.400 --> 00:58:00.159
nineteen sixty two, and we were
living in Oak Park, Michigan. And

758
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.000
I remember one day I had two
older sisters, my little brother wasn't born

759
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.280
yet. My dad goes, come
on, put on your coat. I'm

760
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.840
taking you to the movies. Okay. So he takes me to the movies.

761
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.880
And what it was. It was
a one of those Italian Mondo movies.

762
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:25.920
And we sit down and what happens. I remember we're like five minutes

763
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:31.159
into the movie and a bunch of
topless women are skiing down the mountain side

764
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:40.159
holding lit torches. And I was
three years old, and I remember when

765
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.199
the movie the credits were going,
I go to my dad, Dad,

766
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:49.880
can we stay and watch the beginning? Again. So we get on from

767
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.320
the movie and I told my mom, because I was just three, I

768
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.199
didn't know what I was seeing.
I just knew it. I liked it,

769
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.920
and I wanted to see it again. And I remember my dad got

770
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.800
in some trouble. I just remember
it was yelling, you know, you

771
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:09.599
see the little like in a cartoon, the little dust ball with the fists

772
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.280
and the lightning bolts and all that
crap. But I think my dad was

773
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:19.000
relieved to a certain extent that I
said, oh wow, I got excited

774
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:22.679
at the right parts, I guess. But yeah, that was my first

775
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.320
memory. That's my first memory of
a movie. If you said, what's

776
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.400
your first memory of getting into horror? Around the same time I was three

777
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:37.599
years old was the year the Outer
Limits, the original Outer Limits camp and

778
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:42.639
the Twilight Zone was already going.
But the Outer Limits was so much better

779
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.840
because every episode had a monster and
they were scary. And my parents would

780
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.679
not, absolutely not allowed us a
three year old to see it. But

781
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.559
we had very small houses back then, and my room was right off the

782
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:59.519
living room, and my parents and
two sisters would be I'd be in bed,

783
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:05.760
they'd be here. I love that
song still, you know, and

784
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:12.119
I live, and I would sneak
out of bed and I'd crawl and get

785
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.760
underneath the living room lamp. It
was on a little table and there was

786
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.599
a space for me to crawl in
and they wouldn't see me until my mom

787
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.119
would go up to get a water
or whatever she was getting up to.

788
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:30.199
There he is again, should go
back, and I mean like literally right

789
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.960
out of bed, right back,
And yeah, I loved it. I

790
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:39.679
knew back then that the Twilight Zone
just didn't match up. I mean it

791
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.360
was great. I mean, as
an adult you appreciate the Twilight's On so

792
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:49.599
much more because the writing and all
the different authors and the actors and how

793
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:54.320
wonderful it was. But for a
kid out of limits man, yeah,

794
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.079
I was an outer limits chunkie grown
up too that that song will still grab

795
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.400
me and all immediately it's okay,
let's sit down. I can't wait.

796
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:06.559
Yeah, I love the under Limits. That's great to have it. That's

797
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.679
that's my history of horror. Final
thing, and this is one that is

798
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.239
something that it seems like people watching
have really been grabbing on too lately.

799
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.800
Is the community aspect behind these these
movies or even something like TV. Is

800
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:27.119
there any really memorable experience in your
life where you've had like a great community

801
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.119
event watching a film, whether it
be at a theater at home, something

802
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.679
that you just man, that was
such a great way to take part.

803
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:39.239
There's been a number of them,
and I could run the gamut from I'll

804
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:46.400
tell You Too real quick. When
we were wrapping up Suspiria, but it

805
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:52.840
wasn't quite the discs weren't quite ready
yet. We had screening at Fantasia in

806
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:58.400
Montreal, but we had another screen
a few days later at Flashback Weekend in

807
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:02.199
Chicago. I was at that one
in Chicago and I got to hear that

808
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:07.599
four point zero audio swirling around the
theater the entire movie, and people were

809
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:12.320
I mean, when the movie was
over, we got a standing ovation and

810
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.079
we were up in the balcony.
You know, no one who we were

811
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.880
there and if they just stood up, and that was a thrill. That

812
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.760
was a thrill to actually see what
Don had did. I made the deal

813
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:28.000
for the movie. Don made the
movie, you know. You know.

814
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:32.880
The other one was Once upon a
time we got a hold of a rather

815
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:40.440
controversial documentary called Graphic Sexual Horror.
And what that was was it was a

816
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:46.679
documentary on a torture website. It
was real. The guy got in a

817
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.519
lot of trouble and I guess the
bottom line was that there was too much

818
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:54.960
torture and not enough sex. So
the government went after him. And it's

819
01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:00.639
funny because they couldn't shut him down. I want to say, legally,

820
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.239
they couldn't shut them down. So
what they did was they squeezed the credit

821
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:09.719
card companies into not accepting charges.
They had a website that would have six

822
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:15.039
thousand people a month watched their live
streams at a cost US sixty bucks.

823
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:21.159
So he was making tons and tons
of money. And when they choked off

824
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:22.960
the credit card business, he went
out of building. You know, he

825
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:30.199
shut down. They went on to
do the name of the website was called

826
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:37.239
Insects, and the people split off
to become kink dot Com and device Bondage.

827
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:43.519
And if you are a follower of
modern day pornography, you'll see that

828
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:50.440
both of those sites do have their
bondage or whatever, but they have a

829
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:54.599
lot more sex and a lot less
torture. So this movie was made from

830
01:03:54.679 --> 01:04:00.599
two women who worked on the site. One was a camera person, one

831
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:09.079
was a scenario writer. And of
course it's been we can't get the movie

832
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:13.679
up even though we're only selling their
documentary. We cannot get it up on

833
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:18.599
any vod We get pushed back from
Sight saying the credit card companies don't want

834
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:24.280
to accept charges. We can't take
this whatever. It's terrible and it's a

835
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:30.079
great documentary. It's a heartbreaking documentary
because they talk about the models and stuff

836
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:34.599
the people were submitting to this stuff. It was really a great documentary.

837
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:40.280
But anyways, make a long story
short if it's possible. We were at

838
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:45.360
Friday Night film Fest in Louisville,
Kentucky, and one particular evening, I

839
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.920
think it was a Friday evening,
we were screening Graphics Sexual Horror. Of

840
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.119
course, the room was completely packed, and I was sitting right next to

841
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:58.679
Barbell, the lady who made the
movie, and she was the scenario writer,

842
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.519
and she was sitting right next to
me. And you know, if

843
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:09.000
people are interested the podcasts I could
give, there's anecdotes I've already told about

844
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:15.880
this particular evening, but I'd say
half the audience was gone by the halfway

845
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:21.039
point of the movie. They were
they couldn't take it. But the funny

846
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.840
thing was was when the movie was
over, she did a, Q and

847
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.159
A for a half hour, forty
minutes and everything. And when we walked

848
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.320
out of the screening room, there
was everybody who left waiting to talk to

849
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:38.760
her. They didn't leave because it
wasn't a good movie. They left because

850
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:43.599
they couldn't take what they were seeing. And I thought, wow, you

851
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:47.360
know, that's really cool that these
people, you know, they're not judging.

852
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:50.920
They want to talk to her.
They're fascinated. She made the subject

853
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:56.760
fascinating to them. And I tell
everyone it's a you know, it's a

854
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.400
great little movie, but it's tough
if your sensitive. It's tough because they

855
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:08.239
did things that weren't nice. You
know, if anybody has seen this kind

856
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.320
of stuff, usually when people are
doing these kind of things, they have

857
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:15.280
what's called the safe word, and
what it means is if you say,

858
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:17.440
okay, I want you to spank
me, tie out my hands, tie

859
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:21.039
on my legs, and spank me, hit me real hard, and the

860
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.760
person says, well, okay,
what if I'm hitting you too hard and

861
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.360
you're really crying and you want me
to stop? How am I going to

862
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.440
know this isn't role playing? Well, the safe word stop or whatever it

863
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:38.079
is. They always had that,
but they didn't always listen to it.

864
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:43.679
And when you see some of the
things that was going on that what I

865
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.280
just said will hit you like a
ton of bricks. Right now, it's

866
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.480
just words. If you see graphic
sexual horror, if you watch what was

867
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:54.920
going on and then you see,
oh, they weren't stopping when the person

868
01:06:54.920 --> 01:07:00.159
would say the safe word, That
in itself is horrifying enough, because forget

869
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.000
about being kidnapped and tortured. What
if you walk into it yourself? What

870
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:11.599
if you put yourself in that position? I mean, not some trauma morrifying

871
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:16.079
than reality. Right Yeah, Oh, Jerry, this has been amazing.

872
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:23.280
That's a great, great story to
end on too. I love it.

873
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:28.880
The education on the BDSM scene for
us again, I do want to highlight

874
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.000
a genuine face to face from somebody
that doesn't always get to say this.

875
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:38.800
Thank you for you and don The
contributions literally over the last twenty seven plus

876
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:45.039
years are legendary. They continue to
evolve and respond to people's taste and opinions.

877
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.960
That's one of the biggest things on
sinnams. Somebody will write and say,

878
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.800
hey, maybe I would like this
on the next release, and you'll

879
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.880
see like, hey, some of
those things have been listened to over the

880
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:58.000
years. Oh yeah, but I
gotta say this. I mean again,

881
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:02.079
you're thanking me, and that's nice, but I'm thinking you and all your

882
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:06.719
listeners and everything, because again,
without you, guys, we're not even

883
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:12.239
here where there's nothing to talk about. It's all you, it's all your

884
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.399
fans, it's all those people who
are going out who want and they go

885
01:08:15.479 --> 01:08:19.920
out and they buy and they watch
and they talk. You are the ones

886
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:24.920
who put us here, and we're
here till you don't want us here anymore,

887
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:29.159
pretty much. So thank you,
Ryan, and thank you to all

888
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.119
your listeners, and thank you to
everybody else out there. We love it.

889
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:38.119
We hope it continues for a lot
more years. And Don protects those

890
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:43.479
eyes because they are serving a big
spot in this industry. And I hope

891
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.359
maybe with some more announcements we can
get you back on here to highlight some

892
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.039
stuff for us. Jerry, come
on anytime you guys want to talk to

893
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:53.840
me. That's one thing we do. We're very friendly. We love the

894
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.239
fans. We don't love being abused
by the fans, but we do love

895
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:00.840
the fans. It's their business.
Been the ones that are mean to us

896
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.239
and not nice to us. It's
their business too, and I'd rather have

897
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:09.159
people talking about us than not talking
about us. So everybody continue. I'm

898
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:14.199
not telling anybody how to behave,
but I'll be any time you want me

899
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:18.039
to talk about any that. That
is an amazing promise. Enjoy, Enjoy.

900
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:21.319
Everything that you're working on right now
is stay warm. I know Michigan's

901
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:28.039
a little little chili right now.
Hey, thanks for your time, Jerry,

902
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:56.319
it's a pleasure. Bye bye.
Tell me you know