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He'll be don't be bad. It's
the Internet. You're busy. Let's do

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this for May seventeenth, twenty twenty
four. For the next hour or so,

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let me help you sort through the
world of gaming on Games Morning's Live

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with me Jeff Grubb. Today we
have news and rumors about some of the

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gaming's biggest releases. But first please
join me and welcome you today's co host

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the games Lining some of the gamings, he said, some of the gams,

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some of the some of the biggest
releases in gaming. Is what I

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was about to say, and then
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wrote halfway through, and then the
game scent went off, So it's all

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going really well over here. Tam
went off, amazing. That is his

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peak. That is that's the life
I've chosen, apparently, Tam, how

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are you doing. I'm all right, man, you know it's I made

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the mistake of opening it as soon
as I go up and let me go.

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Yeah, it's bad. Man is
bad today They really like just took

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that web site into a lab and
engineered it to be so much worse than

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it ever was. It is impressive. It's impressive. You know the you

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know what the thing is about it, though, it is now transparently clear

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when people are being shitty, yeah
for the sake of shitty, because they

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made money to be Yeah. It
used to be like when someone was shit,

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you would be like, is this
person really like this? This is

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awful. Now it's just like everyone
is doing this, and it's just like,

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come on, we know what you're
doing this. It's got easier to

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just be like, okay, I
I don't like, I really don't even

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have to engage. I just can
laugh for delete block you ignore. Yes,

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absolutely, but it is. I
quickly closed it and they went to

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TikTok to watch the guy that restores
game boys. Oh that's the good stuff.

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Okay, yeah, guys, that's
good stuff. Uh yeah, Although

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he did this thing what he experimented
with the view of how he's shooting it,

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and he has one of those screwdrivers
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camera spins with it and it is
He was like, I'm trying this new

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viewpoint. And then you open the
comment and just like, never do this

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again. This sucks. Man.
I have an unput together like a game

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Boy FPGA kit that I finally got
the buttons for h and I'm gonna do

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that this week, and I'm gonna
sit down and put together it's a game

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Boy color. Basically, it's a
game Boy color in every way except for

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the actual internals. But then that's
just the FPGA, which is acting exactly

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like a game Boy color. Uh. And I'm very excited. Although I

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haven't put it together yet. And
I was watching a video about someone putting

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an o leed screen into this or
into a game Boy Color. I'm like,

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man, should I just go get
an o lead screen instead, and

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so I don't have to take it
apart when I decided to change that later.

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Yeah, buddy, So I'm I'm
probably gonna get I gotta stop getting

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these because I've got like the what's
that called the meu Mini me Mini?

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Yep, I've got one of those. I've got a Ambernick, and I've

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got the thing that everyone wants.
I forgot what it's called. Now.

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It looks like a game Boy.
The There's and Bernick, there's me,

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you, there's I don't know.
Oh you mean the analog pocket. Analog

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pocket? Oh yeah, sure,
I got me an analog pocket. That

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that is. That thing is for
real and I should just be using that.

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Yeah, but I've former Game Spot
managing editor currently at PlayStation Peter Brown,

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Like he makes this stuff for fun
and he's so so I might just

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hit him up and be like,
yo, can you hook me up with

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one? And he'll like customize it
because he knows like what I'd like,

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and he like made a custom one
for a bunch of our friends and he's

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like, here you go go.
Birthday. I although, I did you

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see that retro Arch is now out
on I phone and iOS devices? I

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did see that. Yes, that's
that's that's pretty cool. I'm glad people

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can get that. Yeah, I've
been using Delta the right like it's a

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similar front end. Yeah, it
is a very very good. Like I

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was playing what was playing? I
was playing Pokemon fire Red on it,

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and it's just it's so easy.
Yeah, Pokemon is an ideal game or

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that scenario right there. Yeah,
that looks great. I got like Pokemon

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and all the Castlevania games on on
the g B a GB devices, and

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then Advanced Wars and the Final Fantasy. Yes okay, yes, like perfect

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games, RPG games that you can
play like very easily, and Crome obviously.

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Yes, these are all games I
own can I tell you what's happening

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literally right this moment on my computer
while you are talking about these things,

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I just bought another one. Yeah, I am hitting literally, I'm gonna

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hit pay now because someone put the
link to the Amberdick game Boy Advance SP

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one and there it goes. I
am hitting paid. Let's see. It's

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the it's gotta it's one of those
model numbers, but it's if you scroll

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down dj T Money put it in
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thirty five xx SP. Does it
looks like a game Boy Advance SP That's

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what I've been kind of waiting for. I in my heart, like,

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I know, my hands are like
kind of too big at this point to

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really I'm too old. It is
the real thing. To really use the

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SP in a way that's super comfortable. I don't care. I The SP

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to me was just such peak gaming. It's everything I was hoping for when

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they first announced the game Boy Advance. And I love the clamshell design.

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I love just throwing it in the
pocket. They and it. Apparently they

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nailed it Homeboy over at retro Core. He looked at it early and he

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was very satisfied with it. So
I'm just bought it, especially selling fifty

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dollars right, yes, exactly,
I got I'm getting the silver one.

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I think I ended up I ended
up like paying like with shipping and taxes

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and everything. I think it was
like sixty five seventy ish. So so

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on its way, we'll see.
I can't wait to get it. It's

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coming from China. It'll probably a
couple weeks. What's gonna happen is I'll

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forget that this moment happened, and
then it'll show up and it'll be another

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little treat for me from me.
Yeah. All right, we should explain

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your gaming life back together. That
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YouTube. Hello YouTube, Hello YouTube. All right, we have let to

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get into so let's start the morning
mess with Grand Theft Auto six launches in

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fall twenty twenty five. This is
from z al Romano over at Gamatsu.

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So you said, Sorrowman, It's
from Salaman over at Gamatsu. Saramon.

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If we're saying your name wrong,
feel free to let me know. Uh.

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Grand Theft Auto six will launch for
PlayStation five at Xbox Series in fall

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twenty twenty five. Rockstar games parent
company Take To Interactive Software announced previously the

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game had only been confirmed for a
general twenty twenty five release. In the

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press release announcing the company's latest financial
results, Take two Interactive Chairman and CEO

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of Strauss Zelmich said, as we
enter fiscal twenty twenty five with positive momentum,

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we expect to deliver netbookings of five
point five five billion to five point

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sixty five billion. That's way down
from what they were initially saying because they

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moved on the Grand Theft Auto out
of this fiscal year. We are highly

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confident that Rockstar Games will deliver an
unparalleled entertainment experience, and our expectations for

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the commercial impact of the title continue
to increase. Looking ahead, we believe

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that our company is poised to achieve
new levels of success and we expect to

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deliver sequential growth blah blah blah.
But they expect to do that for the

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next several years after that game comes
out, because of course they're counting on

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the new GTA Online or whatever to
do very well. This is where we're

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with Grand Theft Auto. Previously,
previously it sounded like, oh, maybe

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early next year, and then we
saw and that was because Take two previously

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said hey, our fiscal twenty twenty
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scaled things back and everyone went okay, or everyone said that means they are

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moving in out of the fiscal year, so sometime after March of twenty twenty

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five, and now they're saying second
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Grand Theft Auto massive game. They
were always going to like delay this several

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times. Yeah, yeah, I
think so, I mean, like it

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could. I'm not one hundred percent
sure that this thing is coming out until

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it's literally the day of and it's
available. I agree. I wouldn't be

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surprised if they they were like,
oh, yeah, we're delaying it again.

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We need a little bit of extra
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do that and get away with it
very like they could delay the day before

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and people would be like, hell, yeah, brother, take the time

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you need. Don't worry about it. This thing is going to make a

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trillion dollars. You just take any
time you need, right, And it's

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like, what are the fans of
Great thefto AT are going to do?

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Be like, well, now,
I won't play it like no, we

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all exactually all know that they're going
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They will show up, so they're
not there's no risk of like, well,

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let's take us trying to make sure
we get it right. The risk

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is you know, coming out and
having something fizzle and have to rebuild and

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having all the costs involved with that
and trying to win people's trust back.

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So I think everyone involved knows,
hey, if this thing hits, we

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really can have massive growth and all
these things that we're looking for and you

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know, satisfy the fans of the
series. But you know, they don't

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want to miss in the first place. So that's why we keep hearing this

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thing slipping in the background. You
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said officially, like early twenty twenty
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with their expectations. So they haven't
publicly delayed this thing, so they're not

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even to that point where they've put
a date on it that has slipped,

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you know, externally that could still
happen, though, we could get to

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that point as well. Honestly,
I would expect maybe one more of those.

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That thing launching in early twenty twenty
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realm of possibility at all. No, this this is the game that a

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lot of like anas are looking to, like, this is the thing that's

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going to finally move this uh like
console cycle forward. Uh. You know,

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we had the report early earlier this
week TAM that half of PlayStation's monthly

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active users are still on PS four
and there they are using that thing all

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the time to play games. They
already have Grand Theft Ato Online, Roadblocks,

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Minecraft, Call of Duty, all
these games that you know, Fortnite,

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Grand Theft Auto six is the one
that, like, when it's not

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available on your PS four, a
lot of those people are going to move

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forward, right Yeah. Yeah,
that's the I wonder if Sony is out

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there trying to make bundles happen right
now, or even Microsoft like I would

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because that I don't think they have
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I can't think of a no a. I can't one anyway, I

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can't remember. But like in my
years of retail work as well, I

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don't think they did a grand theft
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But most retailers will be like,
hey, we'll chuck these in together

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and here you go. But I
one hundred percent people will be moving on.

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I am very, very keen to
see what the the adoption rate looks

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like post gtaich is. It's gonna
be You're right, though, it's it's

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gonna be wild. People are just
gonna be like, Okay, I'm getting

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one of these things now because this
is the game I will. I will

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spend like four hundred, five hundred
dollars on this, but I will be

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playing this game for the next seven
years, so it'll be worth my while.

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Do you think like this getting announced
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five or for Fall twenty twenty five
really, do you think that has has

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a further cooling effect on people's excitement
for getting new consoles, for getting games

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like this year because I don't.
I don't feel that way. And I

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think when we're like we're talking to
each other on the show, and when

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like I see how the audience is
reacting the live chat, I get the

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sense that people are like, well, yeah, I'm gonna play Grand Theft

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Auto when it's here. But in
the meantime, there's all these great games

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to play. But did you get
the sense that maybe the wider audience it's

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a little bit different. Yeah.
I mean, like we're talking about two

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very distinct audiences. We have the
people who are paying attention to games and

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are actively like interested in playing new
games. I think once the time conditions

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in their lives meet what's necessary to
buy a console immediately, that's pretty much

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what they'll do. The people who
will wait. Other the normies, the

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general people, the people who make
up the bulk of the ridiculous sales of

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Grand Theft or All because you know
game is by it. But that's if

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every game about it, it wouldn't
be enough to really hit the numbers that

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we know that Grand Theft or Well
hits. It's when the normies come along

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and are like, this is Grand
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it like truly Skyrockets. I think
the Normanis are the people who are like,

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oh, this is the thing that
I know that I can play and

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I love, and that's when they
come along. But I think that for

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gamers and people who are like have
an interest in games or even like have

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the other they have other franchises that
they are into beyond Grand Theft or like

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the Call of Duties or even like
the Marios and stuff, they will grab

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it the moment their life conditions me. Like, you know, some people

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it's like, oh, I just
you know, save up money. Some

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people are like, oh, I'm
just gonna wait for this period to get

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to this year or this, you
know, and then treat myself et cetera,

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et cetera. And I think that's
that's how it works. So all

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that, like when you just said, Mario, I'm like, okay,

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switch To probably will be out next
year. Do you think there's any world

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in which this game launch is on
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so, not a launch. I
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years later maybe, but not definitely
not at one. I not to say

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Nintendo would ever turn it down.
But I think there's probably people at Nintendo

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that think it's in their best interest
not to have a grand Theft or game

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on their console near launch, just
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the ongoing reputation that they're a very
friendly to young people and casual people platform,

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and I feel like people would see
a Grand Theft are and be like

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the fuck this is that? Yeah, I don't. I don't think this

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is my own conspiracy theory. No, no, totally. I'm like I'm

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trying to like there's definitely a time
you never want to go to a party

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and have Warrior open the door.
You'll be like, what what kind of

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party is this? Yeah? Like
I wanted Lintendo, like even like I

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think they're like at a point where
like, whorse are going to go for

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family gaming? Like you gonna go
to Xbox middle PlayStation? Yeah, they

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don't give they don't give a damn
out all that time. I mean we

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got Mario so whatever, despite you
know the games that head phones. Yeah,

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oh yeah, you're right, but
like at a certain point they don't

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know you've had to like really undo
that. But like, hey, there's

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fifty games to have the word hint
tie on the shop every day, and

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that has that hasn't stopped anybody.
But you're right, that is different than

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a Grand Theft Auto makes headlines.
No one like No. Actually, the

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average parent doesn't know first what hint
I is and the second that that it's

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there are games to have that word
in the title on the shop. Those

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those people have had children. They
know You're right, I shouldn't they been.

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They've been on the sexual Jenny that
got them to child rearing if they

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know. And welcome to our lesson
on hint II. Everybody, Thank you

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for listening. Yeah, hey,
Grand Theft Auto is gonna be huge.

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I think it's going to move a
lot of things. I will be I

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think a little frustrated because I do
expect the way it's going to go is

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the way that Rockstar has done it
for the last several times, severalast last

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several major launches. Excuse me,
Grand Theft Auto five Xbox three, sixty

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year later comes to Xbox one and
PlayStation PlayStation four, then a year after

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that came to PC, so like
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one and Red Dead Redemption two comes
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They are almost certainly going to do
that again with this, and I

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kind of I want to just play
it on PC to begin with. But

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whatever, you know, beggar scamp. I mean, they have I think

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at this point built in console transitions
into the development and like release and future

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plans of Grand Theft All games,
because like five, being on multiple generations

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has been astronomic for them in terms
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cultural kind of awareness around it.
People are still playing online as well.

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I imagine that online will still have
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It makes far too much money not
to be so I We're going to

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be seeing and playing Grand Theft All
for the next seven to ten years.

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I'm okay. I mean, I
like asking this question because it it feels

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like how can we even know at
this point? But really, how long

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do you think it is between Grand
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twenty, like, because they will
want, you know, that new version

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of Grand Theft at online just run
forever. Yeah, M good five come

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out. I've came out eleven years
ago. Yes, yeah, I think

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we get at least ten years,
at least ten but that's like that is

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minimum, Yes, agree on that. And then after that, I think

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it's all bets are off because you
know, the landscape could change. They're

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desired, their you know, their
plan could change. Of well, no,

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it's going to be the same GT
Online, but here's a new mainline

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entry that it now comes with the
sort of reboost sales. Who knows how

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they decide to do it at that
point ten years. Predicting things that are

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ten years out is like so impossible
to do. Yeah. I also like

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between now and then, that's not
say there won't be any Rockstar games,

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Like there's a decent chance we get
another Red Dead or like that Bully game

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that everyone's been dying for, maybe
even in New IP. Like I know

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that, you know, they they're
very set in their ways and they're very

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happy making these two games forever.
But like I wouldn't be surprised if they

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came along way, like we came
up with a new idea here it is

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enjoy yep. And they also have
like I assume some sort of a deal

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like arrangement with Remedy for Max Pain, so they'll have that part of it

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kind of going as well. Yeah, yep, man, I'm like looking

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at the time, like, man, we talked about that way longer than

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I expected us to. Yeah.
Dan records l A and which apparently turned

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thirteen years old to day today.
Yeah yep, So go celebrate Dan in

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that game, all right. Moving
on Microsoft's plan to excuse me, Microsoft

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plans to put this year's Call of
Duty onto Game Pass. According to some

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reports, this is from Jordan Midller
at VGC. Microsoft will add this year's

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Call of Duty game to Game Pass
at released, it is claimed. That's

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according to the Wall Street Journal,
who has sources with knowledge of the situation.

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This is yet to officially be announced, but if this goes through,

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it will be included in the subscription
service. This would mark the first time

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a Call of Duty game has been
included in such a service. At launch,

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It would need for players with access
to Texbox platforms. The entry costs

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for the game would be as little
as eleven dollars. Microsoft's plan plans a

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major shakeup of its video game sales
strategy by releasing the upcoming installment of Call

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of Duty to its subscription service instead
of the long time lucrative approach of selling

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it a la carte. According to
the article, here's my position on this.

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I mean, if they're really gonna
they have game Pass, they've done

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it this far. They've obviously hit
that wall that we've talked about where they

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saturated the market on Xbox of people
who won it, and the growth on

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PC and mobile or whatever. Streaming
is just not making up that gap right

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now. If you put Call of
Duty into game Pass and at the same

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time, this Call of Duty is
the first one not to launch on Xbox

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one and PS four, that is
the I think the best case scenario for

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convincing people to get onto Xbox and
game Pass on Xbox. And if that

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doesn't work, then I think they
are right to be like, Okay,

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we really do have to change our
strategy at this point. But this is

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the moment. It's like, let's
let them rubber meet the road. You've

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made all these purchases to support game
Pass, actually see the strategy through at

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least one time and look at the
numbers. At that point, it feels

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like this could be a changing point
for a lot of things, or it

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could be sort of the final exclamation
point on gamers actually aren't super into this

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idea in the long term, and
so those who are have already bought in

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and the growth just won't be there. What do you think, Yeah,

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just as remind me it's coming to
PS five, right, they have to

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put it out there, as they
said in court, like where we've still

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got they have a legally obligated themselves
to put it on PlayStation for at least

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fifteen years if my memory served me. Okay, yep, I mean like,

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yeah, this is this is one
of those inflection points where well we

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will see the true like the true
value of game Pass and how much people

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gamers for example, and even like
people outside of the dedicated gamers are willing

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to come to game Pass for a
Call of Duty game. I think that

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it's it's we're likely to get a
good idea of it. I think that

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also it puts a lot more pressure
on ensuring that those people continue to stick

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around, because there's going to be
a decent chunk of people who are there

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for the single player, right,
Like, those people still exist, they

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play the single player and then they're
done. But I don't think they're as

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big as the people who play multiplayer
The thing is, I think the Call

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of Duty audience has changed in a
significant way. You had people who are

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like, we play single player and
that's it. People were like, I

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play single player and multiplayer, and
then you had people who play multiplayer in

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the original Call of Duty games.
Now there's a kind of group of people,

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and I think it's the vast significant
majority of a significant number of the

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qual of the audience who are just
like I only play war Zone, like

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I am a experience. It's effective
as before war Zone, Yeah, exactly.

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So I do wonder if it's like, hey, we updated war Zone

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for the new Call of Duty and
that is the only thing that people come

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to it for, in which case
nothing is free still, right, Like

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so it's it's just like maybe it
won't have a kind of as major an

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impact as we thought, Oh yeah, but it is going to be a

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moment. It is like a rubber
mesa road moment, as you said,

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where it's like if anything is really
going to move the needle on game Pass

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and Microsoft's kind of efforts around it, and also how it's seen to the

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to the wider world, is going
to be this game, this Call of

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Duty, And we've talked about like, Okay, yeah, forty million people

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still on PS four. There's a
lot of people still on Xbox One even,

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and those people, a lot of
them are staying on there because they're

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already hapy with the games they're playing. But many of those people do play

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Call of Duty and still buy it
every year. The game just simply wouldn't

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sell as much as it does if
that wasn't the case. So if that

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game is not available to them,
they will have to make a choice,

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and I think the choice will you
know, part of the choice is do

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I get it on PS five and
pay seventy dollars there, or do I

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go with Xbox One and pay the
pay for Game Pass, Because either way

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we're going to have to pay for
a subscription service to play that game online,

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and then I get all these other
games with Xbox. The other choice

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is, as you pointed out,
I'll just keep playing war Zone. So

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exactly, so, there is clearly
not like just some like definitive one decision

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these fans have to make. They
have another option, and yet still this

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feels like the best case scenario for
Microsoft to make those moves happen. At

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the same time, did you think, okay, go ahead, please them,

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because I was going to choose such
a little bit. This is one

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of those moments also where it is
absolutely critical that Microsoft puts in a lot

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of effort into making sure that they
are attracting those people to their platform,

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because Call of Duty is one of
those games where it's like, I will

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go to the platform my friends are
on for this game, right working for

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you properly start Domino. Yeah,
yeah, exactly, Like I would be

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trying to incentivize some sort of like
bring your friends to this platform scheme because

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even with cross platform multiplayer, even
with discord, in people's minds, like

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it's just easier if we're on the
same ship because then we know what we're

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going to have the same games,
and that is we see this on Steam

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all the time. The most powerful
marketing tool is word of mouth. This

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would be a word of mouth opportunity, but they have to You're right,

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it's going to take a lot of
effort to capture that energy. Yeah,

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yeah, I wonder if they could
do that. I think they could,

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Yeah, I just it's hard.
Like I was, I would say Microsoft

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is aware of it, and I
think they can do it. But the

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Microsoft of the last few mon months
has been very very difficult to predict,

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if you know what I mean,
especially after the studio closures. I really

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don't know what is going through their
minds or if like the left hand is

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talking to the right hand right now
between the thing where it's like we shut

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down Tango and who just made High
Fight and then we're in, you know,

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out there talking about how we need
games like High Fight Like that is

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that is just a weird moment where
I'm like, Oh, these they're just

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chasing their tails right now. They
might not know what's going on and they're

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so like in the weeds and they
can't tell what's going on around them.

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So like I think I would like
to think that they are with it and

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have the wherewithal to take advantage of
that. I am not one hundred percent

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short after the last few months.
Honestly, The bare bones basic thing they

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could do is be like, hey, if you invite a friend to game

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Pass, they get a discount on
I don't know, this season pass for

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Call of Duty, which is like, okay, cool, you know this

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is the thing that will allow me
to play and keep new content coming for

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months and months and months, and
I'll go here because my my friends are

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here, and also I'll get a
referral discount and can give that another one

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of my friends. Yeah, yeah, so I was gonna like just change

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it a little bit. Still talk
about the subject, but like, okay,

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so then game Pass, do you
think that this is now also a

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chance for them to I think obviously
raise the price. That seems like something

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that very likely could happen before Call
of Dutey comes out. Do you think

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there's also a chance here to sort
of maybe reconfigure how game Pass is presented?

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Because game Pass Ultimate is fifteen dollars
a month, I think it's maybe

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moved up to like seventeen dollars a
month. I can't remember, but that's

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the one that has like all the
games, Games Day one and online multiplayer,

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and then like down at eleven dollars
it is no online multiplayer, but

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Games Day one and all the games. Do you think they're like move things

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around? So it's like, okay, actually we want people. Maybe the

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easiest way to do a rice increase
is to get those people who are on

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the ten or eleven dollar tier to
move up to the seventeen dollar tier,

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and maybe we start rethinking like stuff
like day one games on there and only

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get that through Ultimate. Do you
think that's like because you maybe get away

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with that with Call of Duty,
Like this is the one opportunity where they

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could do something extreme. Do you
think that's a possibility that. I think

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they're more likely to introduce some sort
of like unique Call of Duty Pass or

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00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.160
like Call of Dot eat version of
game pass where it's like, hey,

409
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.480
play game pass, get this version
of game pass and you get I don't

410
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.519
know, all the Call of Duty
games or something like that. Or it's

411
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.880
like the first person shoot a Pass
where it's like, hey, you pay

412
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:44.799
this amount of money and you get
all these multiplayer first person shooters or something

413
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.079
like that. I don't know.
If they and that, I feel like

414
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.640
you can adjust the price on it. You can make it a little more

415
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:56.079
expensive but also cheaper than that it
might initially than the other top tier one

416
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.640
might look, if you know what
I mean, like a middle ground pass.

417
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.200
How they would do that? Like, I think it would be pretty

418
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:03.200
wild if they were like, hey, pay this for a Call of Duty

419
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.799
pass when you only really want to
play one Call of Duty game, right,

420
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.480
Like you want the latest one and
that's it. But I don't know.

421
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.000
I do think there is an opportunity
for them to like reshuffle it.

422
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:21.079
I don't know if making it more
expensive is the right move. I feel

423
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.240
like people are savvy enough to like
notice that now where it's like, hey,

424
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.920
you're just adjusting language and trying to
trick me into paying more for a

425
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.240
thing that you know you didn't need
to change. I think they are.

426
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.680
I think they're smart. I think
would be to really look at it and

427
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.480
create some sort of new tier that
is more enticing to people, as opposed

428
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.079
to trying to take the two tiers
and shuffle them about so it's more expensive.

429
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.440
This isn't a money making moment,
like do the smart thing here and

430
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.400
hope that that pays dividends because it
brings in a lot of people. Yep,

431
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:56.720
all right, plenty more to talk
about, but we're gonna do now

432
00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.319
is We're gonna take a break.
When we get back. There is a

433
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.799
Star Wars game, there's a rumered
Valve game, lots happening in video gaming.

434
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:11.920
We'll get to all of that right
after this. All right, we

435
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.000
are getting right back into it here
on Game Mess Mornings. Let's start off

436
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:21.240
once again with creative assembly reportedly working
on a Total War Star Wars game.

437
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.200
This comes from Kyle Knight at Dual
Shockers. A total of three new Total

438
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.279
wargames are in development at Creative Assembly, with one of them being an officially

439
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.079
licensed Star Wars game. That's according
to Dual Shockers. The last Total War

440
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.599
game to be released was last year's
Total War Pharaoh, which was developed by

441
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.440
Creative Assembly Sofia and published by Sega
for Windows. A mac Os version has

442
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:47.759
been released publisher but published by Pharaoh
Interactive. They're working on Pharaoh, They're

443
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.640
going to do more stuff for that. There's stuff happening with Warhammer as well,

444
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.720
and they're going to do more of
that. The rumor here is and

445
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.720
now they're going to go over and
do something with Star Wars. I'll say

446
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:57.960
this is this is something that I've
heard rumored for a long time, but

447
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.559
it was always like it's so early
that it's so like, it's so far

448
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.400
off that might not be worth talking
about. So it's and I know that

449
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.839
rumor's been out there elsewhere. I've
seen people kind of mention it in a

450
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.440
few things here and there. I
think it's a good idea it. Star

451
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:18.839
Wars has had some success in strategy
games before feels like Disney and Lucas Arts

452
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.680
or I guess Lucasfilm. Lucas Arts
Stead. Lucasfilm is at a point where

453
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.680
they're like, we want to try
a whole bunch of different things with Star

454
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.160
Wars, and to me, that
sounds like, okay, yeah, why

455
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.319
not go back to the strategy genre. And this is like one reliable studio

456
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.240
that can do that. And at
the same time, a publisher like Sega

457
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.880
would be happy to work with an
established property like Star Wars to grow the

458
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.240
total war brand. So makes a
lot of sense, right, Yeah,

459
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.480
it makes a lot of sense,
especially given what they managed to do with

460
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:51.319
Warhammer. I mean that is that
seems like a brand that feels completely like

461
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:56.240
unapproachable in every single way. But
they did some really cool, interesting things

462
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:02.079
with Warhammer and brought in people who
weren't huge fans of Warhammer or weren't like

463
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:08.680
Warhammer nuts and were you know,
RTS fans or like fans of Creative Assembly,

464
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.559
and the game they made was really
really cool. I am interested in

465
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:17.599
seeing how they approached Star Wars.
I don't think they're gonna I think they

466
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.720
might simplify it a bit because I
think Warhammer was like they released a game

467
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.319
and then they released a sequel which
kind of expanded on that game, and

468
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.960
they kept feeding into that same universe
until it was one giant Warhammer experience.

469
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.880
That could be an interesting approach for
it, but I think they probably want

470
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.279
something a little simpler and a lot
more like traditional Total War ish a lot

471
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:47.160
of lot of opportunity there. I
think that kind of appeals to the hardcore

472
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.559
of Warhammer, not Warhammer, the
Total War fans. The conditions that you

473
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.400
need to meet to kind of get
on board with that are numerous, I

474
00:31:55.400 --> 00:32:00.599
think, and sweaty as fuck,
Like you need to be into Star Wars,

475
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.480
you need to also be into RTS
games, which PC gaming likely,

476
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.079
I mean, like the Total War
games artists strategy games have been on console,

477
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.319
but you likely you're on PC.
Yeah. Total War is very much

478
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:21.119
a PC kind of franchise. Yeah, and then you have to be you

479
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:27.000
know, engaging on all those levels
and it feels very very niche So I

480
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.480
do wonder if this could be their
first attempt, or not first attempt,

481
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:37.799
but another attempt at bringing a RTS
game of this ilk two consoles the only

482
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:43.000
way really maximizing Star Wars is if
you put it everywhere. Yeah, and

483
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.400
then and that means and that speaks
to your point of simplifying it even more,

484
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:51.359
making sure that it's very approachable.
You know what I imagine here is

485
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.119
when I looked at you know,
Total Wars relatively, you know, pretty

486
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.960
old franchise. I can't remember if
it's as old as like something like Attack

487
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.000
of the Clones, but I definitely
played it, and not too long after

488
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.279
that when it first launched, and
I always like, hey, this the

489
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.720
way these battles look kind of look
how they shot Attack of the Clones where

490
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.119
it's just like these you know,
droids and and clones, you know,

491
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.839
running at each other and it's kind
of like slow pacede when they pan out,

492
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:15.759
and it's like, yeah, that's
what Total War looks like. So

493
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.680
I think it's a good fit.
But yeah, I think it'll be.

494
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.920
It'll take them, I think,
some effort to make sure they are reaching

495
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:28.599
a wide enough audience to make this
project make sense. All that aside,

496
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:30.839
Hey, if it happens, it
happens, and then we get it,

497
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.720
and then if it doesn't do great
whatever, maybe we won't get another one,

498
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.079
but at least we got one that
is also that's also been kind of

499
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.160
the story of real time strategy games
and Star Wars. You know, where

500
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.880
Empire War would come and Star Wars
Rebellion, but there was another one.

501
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.880
These games kind of come and they
that people are like, oh, these

502
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:51.720
this is a lot of fun,
or I'm gonna spend a lot of time

503
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.119
with this, and then you kind
of don't get another one necessarily, or

504
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.519
at least not a long series of
them. So if it's a one off

505
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.680
thing, I'm just like glad that
Disney and these vary still developers and publishers

506
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.519
are able to get these projects here
and there. That's what I want from

507
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.000
Star Wars. It's what I always
say. My favorite time as a Star

508
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:12.000
Wars fan in gaming was, Hey, it's like game Cube era, and

509
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.599
we're getting like four different Star Wars
games across all these different things every couple

510
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.840
of months. So kind of replicating
that a little bit is good news to

511
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.880
me. And yeah, and this
happens. It's probably still a couple of

512
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.440
years away, but I hope they
announced it soon we can kind of just

513
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.400
get a good look at it and
get excited about it. I just had

514
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.079
a quick look. They've only ever
released one title, Total War title on

515
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:37.159
consoles, and it's Spartan Total War, which is not even an arts It's

516
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.440
that like a Hack and Slash spin
off. Oh really, Okay, I

517
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.840
can't. I can't see a single
Total War game on this list. That's

518
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.760
still a question. I think you're
there's your point still stands like, yeah,

519
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.440
because because cive Cive rev for example, on console, and it is

520
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.880
like they put six on now,
yeah, they put some six on console,

521
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.480
So I think a they can do
it. This might be the Sive

522
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.320
moment where they moved the console and
the Star Wars Follers is the perfect thing

523
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.840
to make that happen, especially if
they can like make the marketing look like

524
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.800
it's you know, just epic battles
and doesn't have that sweaty niche game a

525
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.199
top down viewer, it's like loads
of UI stuff and you're clicking around quickly.

526
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.280
If it's still like zoomed in and
you're seeing loads of droids being like

527
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.400
shot and like a couple of Jedis
in the middle of the you know,

528
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.880
atsd atat just walk around, I'm
sure people would be like hell, yeah,

529
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.960
I'm gonna get that. Yep.
Yeah, And I think if that

530
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.000
means the battles need to like kind
of be slowed down, or there's a

531
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.880
button you need to hold to like, Okay, we're gonna basically pause the

532
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.159
real time action so I can really
plan my moves. So be it.

533
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.440
And then at the same time,
if they don't, if they aren't planning

534
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:44.119
the console version, again, that's
kind of their problem. I'll be happy

535
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:45.840
to play this game on PC.
And I'm just I hope it really does

536
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.159
come to fruition. Yeah, the
rest in peace Hyenas, resting peace of

537
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.280
Hyenas God. That's right, man
or studio. All right, now,

538
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:58.000
next story here, Valve's next game, a hero shooter called Deadlock, has

539
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.320
seemingly leaked. There's another one from
Jordan Middler at VGC. Images showing what

540
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.880
is reportedly Valve's next game are circulating
on social media. According to Tyler McVicker,

541
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.000
who has a good track record of
announcement of reporting details of Valve projects

542
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.239
ahead of their announcement, the game
is called Deadlock and hundreds of people are

543
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.239
currently play testing it. Images allegedly
from a private play test of the game

544
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.440
appear to show six v six gameplay
with abilities not unlike those in Overwatch or

545
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:29.280
similar competitive hero shooters. According to
McVicker, the game has been in development

546
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.280
since twenty eighteen, features tower defensive
mechanics, and has a fantasy setting mixed

547
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.920
with steampunk. So he wrote magicians, weird creatures, and robots, fast

548
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.679
travel using floating rails similar to BioShock. He added basically a fast paced,

549
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.760
interesting ADHD gameplay, a combination of
dough to two Team Fortress two, Overwatch,

550
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.039
Valorant, Smite, Orcs Must Die, and more. Hero design pretty

551
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.400
much inspired by the Doda universe.
Tam, this doesn't move me too much.

552
00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.119
I gotta say, reading all that
doesn't move too many games. It's

553
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.519
a mish mash, yes, but
like even just okay, let's just boil

554
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.800
down to a six by six hero
shooter with you know, special attacks that

555
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:13.480
look similar to Overwatch. Yeah,
man, I played Overwatch and there's Valerie.

556
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.159
I mean, yeah, you never
count Valve out. They always have

557
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.960
some sort of secret source in their
games that potentially could make them absolutely pop

558
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.480
off. I can't think of a
Valve game that they ever put out that

559
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.679
was like an outright abject failure in
the kind of like the card game,

560
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:35.280
right, that's the oh yeah,
you Remember that's how much of a failure

561
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.320
that was artifact other than artifact and
that was recent. But they've learned lessons

562
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:47.639
since artifact, Right, that's no, no, it learns there. I

563
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.039
imagine they look at the fact that
I'm just like, well, that was

564
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.880
we basically were paying attention and slipped
on and on appill, this will never

565
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.440
happen again. What we what?
What was it with the artifact of twitch

566
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.159
category? Were people streaming adult content
on there? Is that? What that

567
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.880
was? I think so vague memories
of that. Yeah, man, I've

568
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:14.679
completely forgot about Yeah, why wouldn't
you? Yeah, mostly because whenever he

569
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.719
comes up, Mike tells the story
of how he went to Valve to see

570
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.159
it before they announced it, and
when he walked in the room, he

571
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.960
was late and Gabe Nowel was just
talking everybody that got invited. He to

572
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.480
like interrupt Gabe Newel and he felt
very awkward. I'm like, that's what

573
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.079
you get, that's what you get. Gave Newell runs with his knife out.

574
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:35.559
That counter strike thing is real.
It's basically room to room. Yeah.

575
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.840
Yeah, if he's late for a
meeting, you'll see the knife come

576
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.480
out and he'll rapidly increase and he
jumps and spins in the air as well.

577
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.760
But yeah, I mean, like
I I don't, I don't know.

578
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.480
It feels like I'm not moved by
it. But I'm also very very

579
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.840
keenly aware that you Valve is very
good at what it does for the most

580
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:59.639
part, in fact, notwithstanding,
so I am still intrigued by it.

581
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.840
I feel like, right now,
the hero bas shooter is just a massive

582
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.960
trap. Agreed. I don't know. It's gonna round sound really stupid.

583
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:15.800
I don't know why you create a
hero based shooter, a new one in

584
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.480
this day and age, and don't
call it Team Fortress three. H That

585
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.000
is crazy to me, Like why
would you make a TF three? Like

586
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:28.840
I know it's not hero based,
but like, yeah, but the class

587
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.320
based shooter could evolve and have Team
Fortress come back. They're probably like,

588
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.840
oh, this is free us up
to do different stuff. I'm like,

589
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.440
ah, yeah, calling a Team
Fortress three doesn't actually hold you back.

590
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.480
You can kind of do whatever you
want with that. Yeah. Yeah,

591
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.320
And like this feels like such a
mishmash. I think that the stuff that

592
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.400
Avalve does best is when it's got
a clear, unique direction to it,

593
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.679
and the things that I've seen or
heard about it right now, it's like

594
00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:00.960
steampunk fantasy and it's a hero It's
like val is count Strike. It's just

595
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.760
like there's too much. Man,
it's a bad pitch. I don't know

596
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:06.840
why. I mean, like,
it's not an official pitch, so I'm

597
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.039
gonna work for that. But but
it's still it's like there's nothing in there

598
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.559
that immediately makes me think, oh, this is the hook, this is

599
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.280
cool, and there's stuff that makes
me, you know, oh I sleep,

600
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.960
you know, like tower defense.
Come on, I don't know.

601
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.599
I mean I get I get that
that's like such an easy like mechanic in

602
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.880
a game to be like, oh, this gives players something to do and

603
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.960
manage other than just kill people,
so you don't just keep it running out

604
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:30.920
there and get shot and die because
you aren't good. This gives you a

605
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.519
chance to get familiar with the game. Like if I'm a designer, I

606
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.840
get why you get the appeal of
something like a tower defense thing back in

607
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.400
your in your competitive shooter. But
just hearing that that's the core part.

608
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.679
I'm like, I'm not into that. Is ice Frock still at Valve.

609
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.760
I don't remember last I heard it
was looking a do. I think we

610
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.000
talked about him on this show about
a year ago and he was at I

611
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.440
thought he was at he was there, but I don't know, I have

612
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:04.480
not Yeah, maybe is ice Frog's
projects that changes things a look a bit.

613
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.719
It's just like, Okay, ice
Frog, I frug knows a thing

614
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.239
or two about designing satisfying games.
But still, and that's why it sounds

615
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.360
like this sounds like a designer's game. This sounds like a designer ass designers

616
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.400
game right now. Yeah, And
I'm like, yeah, I just need

617
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.199
to get to the point where I'm
like, I do see it for myself

618
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:23.679
in action. I'll go look at
the screenshots and all this stuff, but

619
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.960
I want to see how Valve presents
it. So it's like, and here's

620
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.559
what makes it a Valve game.
If they compare those two things together,

621
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.719
they'll probably have something. Yeah.
I feel like the I mean like,

622
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.719
no, no normal out there is
going, oh my god, ice Frog

623
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.119
is making this. Only the swatiest
of game is like us, so are

624
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.360
like, oh shit, this is
a nice frog joint to everyone else.

625
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.559
If it doesn't like have that kind
of clear pitch to it and isn't great

626
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.800
isn't like distinct from the game that
because you are trying to law people who

627
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.559
have who have basically committed what is
effectively their life to a game like you,

628
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.639
you need to be able to because
I believe that audience is finite,

629
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:06.599
right, Like you don't have a
constantly. I mean, there's new people

630
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.800
coming in, but like the people
who play these kind of games are like,

631
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:13.079
I'm committing to this thing and network
effect, they get stuck into the

632
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.760
black hole. Yeahly out there.
Like I was a when I was coming

633
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.679
up, when I was playing PC
game multiplayer at my most intent, I

634
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.519
only played count Strike. Nothing else
that, right, not even TF two,

635
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.239
And it's still like that where it's
like I'm a qualit duty player,

636
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.719
I'm a count striper, I'm a
valorant player, or even like it's if

637
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.599
it is what it sounds like and
what they're presented at. It's now competing

638
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.000
with like mobiles as well, so
it's competing with like League of Legends and

639
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.480
Dota and all these other games.
So it needs a clearer and more refined

640
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.719
kind of pitch to entice those people
to try it, and then it needs

641
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.280
to be good enough to keep people
there. And then it also needs to

642
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:01.559
have that online streamer word of mouth
kind of like factor to it to There's

643
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.639
so many things that you have to
kind of get right these days to make

644
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.159
a game like this pop off.
If anyone could do it, it's Valve.

645
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:14.280
But still this kind of leaked pitch
or whatever, it is obviously not

646
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.159
official at the moment. I'm just
like, Okay, I'm gonna wait for

647
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:20.199
them to tell me what this is
because I hope that they've got something clearer

648
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.440
going on. Then it's every game
that you played. Yep, exactly,

649
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.519
all right. Just announced a few
minutes ago, Red Fall is actually going

650
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.239
to get its offline mode after all. I'm going to read this tweet from

651
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:36.480
the play red Full account on Twitter. Thank you for all your supportive messages.

652
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.719
We are working to release our final
update. Game update for that brings

653
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.840
revamped neighborhood and Nest systems, single
player, pausing, offline mode, and

654
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:50.840
more. We'll provide additional details soon. Thank you all. Okay, great

655
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.880
that this is coming out just bums
me out all over again. Just that

656
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.239
it's like, okay, there was
enough of a response that we are we're

657
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.400
going to put this out. So
now these people have to do the death

658
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.519
March to get their final update out
before they get laid off or maybe moved

659
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.199
around and have their lives changed.
At the very least, it just sucks.

660
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.920
I hate this. I hate that
those studios close down. I hate

661
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.920
the way it was handled. Everything
about it bumps me out, including this,

662
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.679
even though this is, you know, objectively, a better thing I

663
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.039
suppose than the way things were ending
before. Yeah, I mean, like,

664
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:28.159
I will never ever ever ever forgive
them for doing this to Arcane.

665
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:35.199
Yeah, never ever ever. Like
I've that Arcane is Arcane is a special

666
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.039
studio, and I know there's other
you know, Arcane lyon still exists,

667
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:45.119
but like, I feel like you
really screwed up when you are doing this

668
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.280
to any any facet of Arcane as
a team that is such a talent that

669
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.519
you you let them figure something else
out, man, because the next thing

670
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:58.559
they figure out is gonna be It's
gonna be like anything, unlike anything else

671
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.320
anyone else is doing. And there's
so much value into that. I'm glad

672
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.599
that the Red Full Crew is being
able to, you know, put this

673
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.719
one thing out again. And I
and you know, honestly, I am

674
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.440
committing to going back and checking out
Red Fall again, I really want to.

675
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.199
I wanted that game to succeed more
than anyone, like I adore Lockandle

676
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.119
much. Yeah, and it was
it wasn't what they wanted it to be.

677
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:25.360
And also it's not what anyone wanted
from them. And between the this

678
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.519
then being shut down, and also
the news that you know that there was

679
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:35.400
that story about how they were pitching
a new immersive sim and it could have

680
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:39.519
been Dishonored three, I am just
like, yep. If I ever see

681
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.599
anyone involved in that decision, it's
on site, yep, I'm gonna yep.

682
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.679
And for me, it's like when
they when all this was announced,

683
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.239
it should have been at the time, been like, and of course we're

684
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.000
going to support the studio to get
this last update out because they care about

685
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.519
this game, even though when no
one else does. We still care.

686
00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:59.559
That would have been the right way
to do this. And you know,

687
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.639
I wanted to put out this update. I did so. I'm glad it's

688
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.000
happening. I just can't help but
also still be very frustrated by the way

689
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:12.960
upset I am upset by I'm yeah, the whole It's been a bad year

690
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.800
for for Xbox. Like in so
many different ways, and like it's I

691
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.760
hope that I mean, we're not
far away from uh summer game. First,

692
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.239
I hope that they come in there
with some humility and are ready to

693
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.880
explain and don't become defensive about it. Yeah, because right now, like

694
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:37.159
you are not in looking and you
know in the best light, and you

695
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:44.760
have done something that like truly devastated
gamers and didn't make sense to them.

696
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.280
That's the thing I keep coming back
to more than anything. It's like we

697
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.320
don't know what is expected of us
or expected of games from you now right

698
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.000
because you it doesn't make sense.
The things that you say and the things

699
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.760
that you do are in direct conflict. We have no idea what you want.

700
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.440
We have no idea what is a
success to you. We have no

701
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.440
idea what you deem as like a
creative endeavor. We have no idea what

702
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.960
you deem as a money making effort. It's all over the place. So

703
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.119
I'm excited, Like I'm not saying
I'm writing them off completely, and I'm

704
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:21.239
sure there is some sort of vision
there. Right now, I'm very bummed

705
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.000
out by Xbox. And I say
that as someone who owns three xboxes literally

706
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:30.119
right now my Xbox. Yeah,
I have paid for multiple Xboxes. I

707
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.880
have purchased Xboxes for other people,
so I've got like PlayStations as well.

708
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:42.000
Obviously, I'm I'm a ambidextrous platform
agnostic gamer, and I want Xbox to

709
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.320
succeed as much as I want PC
and Nintendo and places to succeed. And

710
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:51.679
I really hope they're ready to talk
about what's going on and present a future

711
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.960
for that company that is better than
the last year. And I hope that

712
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:02.519
they're ready to have some humility around
these closures, especially arcane, because people

713
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.639
are big mad about that and rightly
so. Yep, absolutely, I'm very

714
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.960
curious to see how that all plays
out over the next three weeks gone.

715
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.559
We are running out of time,
all right. A couple of big news

716
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.800
stories we had to get to before
we wrap up. There's a report that

717
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.920
a Lego Horizon video games in the
works. This is another one that like

718
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.639
I was hearing, but that's like
just so crazy. I'm like, no

719
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.360
someone else could say that someone else
did. This comes from Alex Hopley at

720
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.760
Game Reactor. Lego games are often
known for giving a blocky, cute twist

721
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.440
on an existing ip, like Star
Wars and Batman. So, according to

722
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:40.800
Insider Gamer, how about Gorilla's post
apocalyptic world Horizon, and like Horizon forbidding

723
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:47.199
West? Like that Horizon? Everybody, I I the fucking man they are,

724
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:54.360
Oh okay, I just this is
Horizon is just being driven into the

725
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.360
ground, like if Zan Gief is
Paul driving. You don't want the mmo

726
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.280
and the TV show and another game
and play another game and then this game

727
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:10.119
thetmost respect to everyone at PlayStation,
everyone at the teams that work. I

728
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:15.280
would be happy if we didn't see
Horizon again for ten years. Yeah,

729
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:21.400
please chill, please relax Horizon.
I know a lot of people love it,

730
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:22.880
but yeah, I'm not saying it's
not good. I just it's not

731
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:27.119
my thing, that's all. Yeah. I mean like I'm sure people will

732
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.480
love it, but like, oh
my god, you but the people who

733
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.079
say Horizon's good, you're asking for
Horizons lego game for real? Yeah do

734
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.719
you want Arizon? A conversation about
whether Horizons is good or not anymore?

735
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.840
That's over there. What is this
game? That's what I'm asking That is

736
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:47.599
exactly it. But like I am
the best, the giving the benefit of

737
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.239
the doubt people, part of my
brain is like how they want to appeal

738
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.000
to a different audience. They want
to appeal to you. That's fine,

739
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:59.559
but like also it is the other
cynical part of me is just screaming they

740
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.159
want to milk the shit out of
this. And also like I am not

741
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:10.039
as confident as they seem to be
in the kind of like potential that Horizon

742
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:16.239
has to become universally appealing in the
way that it's going into like you know,

743
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:22.880
every single genre, Like I what
is I don't wonder if this is

744
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.400
real. I'm just gonna be like, more power to you. I will

745
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.400
definitely check it out, and I
will not I'm not going to write it.

746
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:30.880
I'm not gonna say I can't exist. No, no, no,

747
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:36.159
I'm just confused by this. And
also I'm like, I feel like you're

748
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:40.119
driving that ip into the ground and
like making it something that people stop caring

749
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.760
about much quicker than you think that
you're doing it. Then then you think

750
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.960
that you you'll get out of you
know, putting it everywhere and benefiting from

751
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.719
it. This isn't one I don't
believe this is one of those ips that

752
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:59.320
is like this is always an eternal
thirst for more of this. I think

753
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.239
this is one where it's like,
oh thew Horizon's coming out every five years

754
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.440
or three years or whatever it may
be, and it's okay, And if

755
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.320
this does, if this comes out, is this going to be the first

756
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:15.000
like Lego game that isn't on the
switch in some way for for that audience.

757
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.239
So it's gonna be just on PlayStation
in PC. And has that ever

758
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.039
happened before where one of these Lego
games came out and wasn't everywhere? Because

759
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.760
that's a good point. Actually,
so weird it will be on PC show.

760
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.440
I know why this is happening.
They had that, They had that

761
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.840
Lego Tollnick, didn't they They did
have that Lego tonk Yes, they did

762
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.559
this, this started ace ago.
Oh my god, yep, I forgot

763
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:44.519
about that. They already have like
the tendrils in the Lego business with that

764
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.559
stuff. So okay, I mean
that Lego Tonic was pretty cool. But

765
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:57.039
did you call it Lego long back? You can't? Okay, all right,

766
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.679
Hey, what whatever, I'm not
gonna again, not gonna deny anyone

767
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:04.199
their fun and Lego Taylor Swift?
Is that what I said? I think?

768
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.599
So? Yeah, well it's it's
still weird. To me confused.

769
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.360
I'll be very interesting to see how
they present it, and I suppos part

770
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.880
of me is like I sometimes like
those Lego games. There's no world in

771
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:17.199
which I'm like, well, let's
sit down with the kids to play Lego

772
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:22.039
Horizons, and feels like opportunity costs. We're missing out on something that maybe

773
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.480
I would have, but I don't
know. The strategy for successful Lego games

774
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:32.800
has been taking ips that have legendary
levels of of like engagement and like fandom

775
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.400
and cultural awareness, Star Wars,
Lord of the Rings, DC, that

776
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:43.719
kind of stuff and making legoifying them, to presenting them as an entry point

777
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:51.199
into those franchises for younger audiences.
I regret to inform PlayStation that Horizon is

778
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.000
nowhere on the same level as a
lot of the Rings, Star Wars,

779
00:52:54.400 --> 00:53:00.320
d C, even rock Band,
which they had, Like I, I

780
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.039
feel like this is incredibly misjudge.
Again, I'm not writing it off.

781
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.480
I would love I would love to. I hope it's good and we're going

782
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.960
to prove us wrong too, right, please prove it. The show comes

783
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.679
out and it's really good, and
then that changes the calculus on everything,

784
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.920
and then they hit wh Iron's Hot
and they prove us wrong. It could

785
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.159
happen. Yeah, I will,
I will. I hope the TV show

786
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:24.840
or whatever and the Fortnight clone and
the clothing line and the serial does great

787
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:30.559
for you, But I would.
I am very happy to not hear from

788
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.760
Ala again for a while. You
know. I reviewed that VR game and

789
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.400
I was like, I forgot about
the VR game. Yeah, I mean

790
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:42.519
you're happy to forget it's the one
game on PlayStation VR two. Yeah,

791
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:44.920
that's right. I heard it and
I was like, yeah, this is

792
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.639
this is fun. That's the game
later. It's not even weird. It's

793
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:52.199
not even like a weird choice.
You know, if it was like we

794
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.840
made Lego Death trending, I'll be
like, hell, yeah, brother,

795
00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.360
let's do this. It's that weird
in the way that weird can be interesting,

796
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.480
right, yeah exactly, So we
had interesting. It feels cynical catch.

797
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.239
This feels like, oh, it's
obvious how they're gonna do it,

798
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:07.960
right, I get how this works
as a Lego game. Sure, yeah,

799
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:14.559
this isn't this is an attempt to
push an ip into main extreme given

800
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:15.360
it the push. Yeah, they're
trying to put it over, brother.

801
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.400
Yeah, good luck to them,
good luck, right exactly, it seems

802
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.599
like a challenging challenge, all right. Last couple of stories here, next

803
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.320
iteration in one of two case biggest
and most beloved franchise, if he announced

804
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.119
the Summer game Fest, please they
should have done they should have done a

805
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.519
car racing game before they did this
for real. There's like so many other

806
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:37.480
ones that were like, Okay,
yeah, that seems like lower stakes somehow,

807
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:39.559
I don't know. I don't know. Get the motor Storm team back,

808
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.440
makes them make a racing game in
the Horizon universe that would have been

809
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:46.920
way better than this lex. He
says, what if it was developed by

810
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.159
team of Sobey that would be Please
don't because that team needs to go make

811
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:57.480
Astro That team no SOB Yeah,
leave them alone? All right? Uh?

812
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.519
This is from Salamano and Gamatsu,
next to UK biggest beloved franchise,

813
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:05.599
getting Saramon is back. Sar Ramon
is back, everybody. It will be

814
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.400
announced at the Summer Game Fest twenty
twenty four showcase. No further information.

815
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.119
Could be Mafia, could be BioShock, could be SIB seven. What do

816
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.559
you think? What was the wording
on it? Was it just new ip

817
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.880
or is it like no genre?
One of two case, biggest and most

818
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:25.280
beloved franchise franchises and it's the next
iteration. Excuse me. I think everyone

819
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.519
forgot that they're making a BioShock Yeah, and I did until I read it

820
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:34.239
in this story, Like, Okay, I guess it could be Shock.

821
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.519
I mean it could be by a
shock. It could be Borderlands. Borderlands

822
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.599
makes a lot of sense that they
have a movie coming out. Yeah,

823
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.800
so I wouldn't be surprised if there's
a Borderlands trailer where you know, Jamie

824
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:46.880
Lee Curtis is in it, Jack
Black is in it, et cetera,

825
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:51.559
et cetera. We're making the Borderlands
game with the cast or Borderlands, et

826
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.239
cetera, et cetera. I would
prefer it if it was the BioShock game.

827
00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:00.320
I don't know if there's any life
left in Mafia. The uh,

828
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:02.440
the team that made Mafia just released
a video game. Can you tell me

829
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:08.079
why it is? I did.
Yes, I will give you ten dollars

830
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:13.840
if you and if you tell me
what game the team is, like mobile

831
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.000
or something like. Nope, it
is released on consoles and I believe,

832
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:22.280
oh it's I swear to looking shout
if so, but in there is it?

833
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.760
Tennis is it the tennis game is
I owe you ten dollars? Remember

834
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:32.559
t K Yeah, tennis whatever?
Yeah to Oh my god, that's right.

835
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:36.880
I opened that game up and I
was like, younger thirteen, that's

836
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:38.800
the Mafia people. And then I
never thought about that again until this very

837
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.320
moment. Summer game. First,
I will buy you one mill. That

838
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:47.079
sounds we're gonna get a burrito so
hard I can't wait. Okay, yes,

839
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.400
they did just release a game.
That's why I think this is SIB

840
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.280
seven because biggest and most beloved.
I know some people I don't care about

841
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:59.519
SIV sim Is Massive has always sold
a ton, always has some of the

842
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:04.400
most like concurrent players on Steam,
and is beloved in a way that even

843
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.679
like Mafia, and at this point
even BioShock is in. I guess if

844
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:13.280
it's not. If it's BioShock,
so Civilization Horizon, let's go. Yeah.

845
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.440
At this point, who would put
it past them? That makes more

846
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.480
sense than the lego the last couple
of times here, take two CEO's claims

847
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.320
they didn't close Private Division Studios ROLL
seven in Intercept Games. He has said

848
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:25.880
stuff like that before, and then
it's so funny. It's proved to be

849
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:30.920
a liar about these sorts of things
is just straight up light right, Oh,

850
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.480
we laid off everybody, but the
studio still exist. What does that

851
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.960
mean? It's just like I hate
to invoke this, but this is like

852
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:38.800
Trump levels of like what are you
talking about? Yep, well what you're

853
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.960
talking about. It's real. It's
wild and crazy. I always say,

854
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.400
like when the reports come out and
then someone in the company denies it,

855
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.559
like, look for the space where
both things are true. The space where

856
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:52.119
both things are true. Here is
they laid everyone off, but they still

857
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.960
have a piece of paper somewhere that
says this is an entity that exists or

858
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.000
whatever. And that's the most you
can get away with. Here. There's

859
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.480
maybe a building that still exists that
has a logo, right, yes,

860
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.920
yeah, the studio still for tax
purposes as slacker chances correct, someone there

861
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.039
will be CPA filing that company's you
know that subsidiaries taxes later this year.

862
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:15.519
Is it says everything about people in
this position. They don't see studios as

863
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:21.480
the people. They see studios as
the building. Yeah, the little factory

864
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.880
and on legal papers, yes,
where the keeler elves make the video games

865
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.280
exactly, Yes, all right,
that does it for the news. We

866
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.519
got a pull question coming up here
in a second. While I'm getting that

867
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.039
set up, Tam, what do
you got going on? Where can people

868
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.760
find you? You'll find me everywhere. Unfortunately, no spot on this week.

869
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:46.880
Me and Lucy were traveling, which
she is traveling an ungodly yes so

870
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:52.119
much. Yeah, but she's working
on something cool. I was traveling with

871
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.920
her for a little while as well. I didn't have to my mind's on

872
00:58:54.960 --> 00:59:00.760
polls until next week now, But
we didn't do it spawn because of that,

873
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.440
because it was just like it was
too hard to cram it in and

874
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:08.320
we didn't want to half arse it. So beyond that, you can check

875
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.000
me out and check us out.
We got you can catch on all the

876
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.239
previous spot ons as well. Go
watch those again. Yeah, exactly exactly.

877
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:24.480
A train video. Uh. John
up on Instagram Stories. He was

878
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:29.599
like, I just finished the video
that I was working a really long time.

879
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:31.760
When I sat there for a four
minute, I was like, I'm

880
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:36.599
gonna I'm gonna risk passing him off, and I just replied train video question

881
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:42.519
mark that was for clubs friends.
Oh, that's very good. But at

882
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.079
this point I'm really really into the
idea the train train video never is gonna

883
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.360
appear mean, but we never.
We also never give up on it.

884
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.119
We still bring it up all the
time. You know what's gonna happen six

885
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.480
months from now Lego train video.
People are gonna be like, who go

886
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:01.599
train video? Here's then, like
I realized over this last couple of years,

887
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.320
I me and Jane have very similar
brains, and I know that,

888
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.320
like this is the guy think where
it's like like a guilt thing over here.

889
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.480
Then every time he looks at it, it's very painful, and that

890
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:14.960
also makes it hard to go do
anything with it. So yeah, yes,

891
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.239
that's just what it is. Go
watch the w W video everybody.

892
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:23.599
It's a it rules, So I
mean to be fair, the priority is

893
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:28.159
well one straight there he focused on
the right video. And also John is

894
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.239
doing a crazy amount of stuff.
Crazy we're gonna have We're gonna have upf

895
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.679
later where I will make Jen's life
considerably harder by not using my normal set

896
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:44.320
up and using a experimental this experimental
Jerry rig there to just test sorry for

897
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.039
it's alpha set up of course,
yes yeah alpha yeah, yes, So

898
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:51.639
we'll be doing that in a bit. I haven't tried to see if shadows

899
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:59.360
Shadows legends legends works, and uh
so we'll figure that out together later.

900
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:00.800
We're gonna I'm gonna try that out
here in a second. See if I

901
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.840
can get logged in. Yeah,
so that's happening. And then if you

902
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:12.480
haven't already, please and you can
pick up a ticket to the live show

903
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.360
on the ninth at the Belle in
La if you are in the area,

904
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:20.920
we'd love to see you there.
If not, we'll see you online.

905
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:23.159
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
That's right. Tickets are going so everyone

906
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:27.519
should get on there and pick them
up right now, pick them up this

907
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:30.159
weekend, just to be safe.
All right. Let's see here. Poll

908
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:36.480
question from yesterday, are you excited
about Assassin's Creed Shadows Yes or no?

909
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.239
Forty said yes, fifty eight percent
said no. For me, I feel

910
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:43.400
like an Assassin's Creed game from this
audience. That's a pretty good response,

911
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.599
tam, I am so excited for
me too. It is hitting the notes

912
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.880
for me. Them talking about how
you can of course, you can do

913
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:55.559
the samurai action stuff, but there's
a light meter. When you're now noo

914
01:01:55.639 --> 01:02:00.360
noo noo now a now a,
when you're now way, there's light meter.

915
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:01.079
You can take out lights and all
that stuff, and it's like,

916
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:05.119
oh boy, oh boy, that
sounds good. I'm so excited. So

917
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.559
yeah, I'm very very excited.
It's got like it's hitting a stealthy stuff,

918
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:12.840
and I that's where I love.
That's why I get most excited about.

919
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.840
Yes, that's great one. It's
doing stealthy you know, you know,

920
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:21.400
because Lord knows where's as a self
game, you eves, you little

921
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:25.480
make it the first one to just
make it. Although although man if they

922
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:30.199
remake that game and it actually does
have ray trace lighting and my voice systematic,

923
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:36.760
I will they keep doing sam fish
and dirty and in an age where

924
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.679
Solid Snake has also been done dirty, like what's happening? Bullshit? They

925
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.320
just they just laid off our game
people, So we probably won't get Yes,

926
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:47.440
we are. We're in a low
point for I think we have to

927
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.719
now turn our eye to indie games
for a lot of the stealth stuff going

928
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.199
forward. Stealth icons are being mistreated. Got immersive sim to what happened to

929
01:02:55.199 --> 01:03:00.840
immersive sims has now happened to self
games. Remember that bullshit when it was

930
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:06.599
like all that stuff was Habu Kojima
and and then you besofted a mobile game

931
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:08.840
and had Sam Fisher show up in
there, and Sam Fisher's like, there

932
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.039
was another guy. Oh, he's
gone. Now I guess I'm the last

933
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:21.960
one show up. Ever again he
was the guy who's still yeah, what

934
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:23.519
are you talking about? Out of
here? With that out of here?

935
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:29.119
Uh? Well question, will you
get game pass for Call of Duty?

936
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.320
Yes, I already have it,
No, I won't get it, or

937
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:36.559
I don't care about cod Those are
your options. Poll will go up on

938
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.719
YouTube dot com slash at giant Bomb. Click the community tab there you can

939
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:44.159
vote on the pole. We'll talk
about the results on Monday here on Giant

940
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:45.440
Bomb. Speaking of the Giant Bomb. If you want to see our other

941
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.000
content while you're there, clicking the
community tab, click the live tab.

942
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.480
That's where most of our stuff lives. We do most of our stuff as

943
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:52.920
live show, so you can watch
everything. There. A lot of good

944
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.519
stuff this week. Earlier this week
we did a a demo derby that was

945
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.440
a lot of fun. Looked at
an old ultra gameplayer CD D disc.

946
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.400
It was some weird stuff on there. It was a good time. And

947
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.480
then hyah, plenty of other stuff
to check out. Next week we'll get

948
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.559
back into the normal swing of things. And yeah, upf later today,

949
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.719
don't miss it. We're gonna we're
gonna try to play on my multiplayer ghast

950
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.079
Sushima Legends. See how that goes. Tam, thank you so much for

951
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.880
spinning today talking with me about video
games. Man, I really appreciate it.

952
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:19.960
Thank you for having me. You
know, I love being here all

953
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.599
the time. Me too, love
having you is a great time and I

954
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.599
hopefully we will be doing it again
next week, looking forward to it.

955
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.960
Thank you all for listening and watching. You're the best audience of gaming.

956
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.280
Until next time, have a good
one, take care of yourself, and goodbye.

