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Where we were taught that man is
a woman' s man is a woman

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and very everyone is looking for a
HOKP. Why don' t you pay

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five bucks for this and we'
ll promote you. People aren' t

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in grinder to be friends together and
if they don' t like it,

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they leave me a comment, but
I agree. But well, that'

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s always the subject point hello world
gas. I am César Salsa and,

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of course, between gas is from
the gay mecca of the world, San

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Francisco, California. Although they already
know we' re all over the world.

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Joaquin, I think it' s
the gay make. Not sure,

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San Francisco started the whole movement of
a ok Yes, Horvy Malky, well,

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New York and San Francisco, yes, that' s good To the

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new yor we also want them.
It' s all right and, of

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course, we already know that many
of you are in Spain. We hear

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many people from Madrid, Barcelona,
Seville, the Islands that also win in

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Mexico, because Monterrey, Mexico City, Puerto va Yart have followers of Puerto

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Vallarta. I love it because we
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of course, Venezuela, Colombia and
other Latin American countries. So it'

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s super excited to be able to
come back with a new season. Thanks

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to you who listened to the podcast
in the previous season, who supported us

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on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify,
on Apple Podcast. Well, thanks to

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you, we have a new season. We bring all the feedback they left

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us and the comments they left remind
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script and if, by chance of
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podcast, on any platform and say. But I want to see these guys,

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So you know, you can'
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on YouTube we' re already being
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thousand people who are following us for
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take much notice of the first season. We were more with the podcast.

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You know, there' s two
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There you can also send us any
topic you want to talk about.

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And today, Joaquin, we have
good. Like I said before, we

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got all that feedback. True,
you were there for us, and what

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we did was say good. We
don' t want to be you and

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me anymore. We will always try
to have people who bring us different views

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to the podcast. We don'
t have new sets, new new banner

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between gasn Neon who here commissioned us. Thank you, Joaquin. Oh,

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you' re welcome. And the
truth is, you can see all this

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if you' re on video.
And the truth is, we have a

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number of issues that we' re
going to be talking about today. So,

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today we have a friend who'
s going to suck us, which

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is going to bring us a very
interesting topic, and it' s that

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the other day I was wooded from
New York Times and they said that younger

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generations, like the gens c no
longer want to be in the applications of

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ligoteo nothing, of Grinder, of
Tinder, of boombles s Croft, like

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they don' t like it too
much, They seem very i personal and

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then they are happening to something totally
different and that is not online. It

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' s more like in person.
You know what kind of painting is.

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I don' t know how to
tell me that would be good, too

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good, but not sports clubs.
Oh, no summer stains. I go

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to the gym, but sports club. No, yeah, no, but

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yeah, we know good people that
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are there. All that. To
our friends of Klee we send greetings that

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surely are there listening to us friends
of any Latin without roof San Francisco.

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They have several clubs. Also many
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hear a friend to Gerry and he' s going to come tell us a

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little bit about those clubs what interaction
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ligoteo platforms like Grinder and The Hook
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be talking to him later. But
our first guest today is a person who

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was in the previous season. It
made us have the most viral Instagram riall

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on our account. There were many
comments of all kinds and it is the

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little star of my love. Joaquin' s mom' s coming to the

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podcast because she' s coming for
the rematch. Oh, yes, it

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comes to respond to the comments,
to those negative and also positive comments,

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that there are many of them.
Yeah, we' re just gonna be

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talking. We' re gonna do
like a part two of that interview where

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Joaquin' s mom was talking about
what it was like when she found out

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that Joaquin was gay. Right.
For many moms, the truth is it

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' s a pretty difficult point in
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more information. It' s a
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s usually and for parents in general, the family has been a pretty difficult

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point. Today we' re going
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Let' s answer all the questions
of the fans and the haters of Lucero,

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because Lucero has fans and haters on
Instagram, so I think you have

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to listen or watch because we have
video. You can see the interview.

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the cuts on Instagram. I' m

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very, very excited to get to
that part, to that first interview,

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our interview with the Lucero is going
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is that we also have new sections, truth, yes, of course,

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new sections, and one of those
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Now we' re going to have
questions to break the ice to break and

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it' s that gray that everything, especially also informative questions, because it

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' s also held in many places
in the world right now and you know

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what pris like all year, depends
on where you live. But we also

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want to have information and these questions
can be quite interesting. Some of them

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are going to be entertainment. You
can also send us questions that you want

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to know if we know in the
answer. The production prepared these questions for

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us. I have the answers here, in case I don' t know

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them, I can read them to
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s see you wait, I'
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first one. To see ah ok
and read here four winners of Rupo Drag

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Race. It' s easy to
be from Mexico too that no more here

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in the season. Yeah, well, OK, Christian Peralta, ah,

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good America, Sasha Coby, who
won the pass and the one who just

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won, Ninfie wind sasherbelowar and ay
my favorite who good, what of the

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river. Oh, well, can
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a bitch. Well, okay,
well, yeah, I knew. Not

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me. I never did the winners, especially because I never go to the

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winners always wins the one that I
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in the season sexting of dura groups
there I forgot the names. Who names

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them. Or there' s Ninfia, Wends, there' s Plaint James,

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there' s Safier Plaineo going for
play ah me too. But as

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in the end the load was a
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don' t think it was that
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I wasn' t going to win
and kept doing his marketing. The group

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asked him, asked him questions so
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were on the podcast. We weren' t really going to talk about this,

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but, well, since we'
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was on the podcast, and Michelle
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It' s your time to sell
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to tell us who you really are
to be vulnerable. And she didn'

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t want to. But she didn' t want to. It wasn'

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t that he didn' t know
he didn' t want to and when

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he was already in the stage,
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my universes about these other questions,
as if he left in my universe.

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And she responded again with character with
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Ninfia, for example, opened his
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and her mom didn' t want
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s cultural. Remember, she'
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it' s either Ukraine or Russia' s, not Russia' s.

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it was from there, from a
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I think it costs you a little
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that time. But it' s
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super good at triacking. But she' s also cultural and she doesn'

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t like it because she' s
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she' s a character, but
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' t want to be when you' re vulnerable, you open that door

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to get attacked. And she thinks
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but they' re still going to
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now I grab one to see choose
one to see, I read it you

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read it I read it to sing
in which Latin American countries there is no

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marriage, the g B t you
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sex. There' s the answers. I think, the production prepared them

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well. I' m going to
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I don' t think, yes, there it is, but I

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' m telling you. I tell
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then tell me Nicaraguas, Panama,
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okay, all these are here.
Wey or that I went to countries

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I didn' t. I remember
they don' t have any. But

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tell me there' s more.
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first one you said was good.
The first is Panama, Nicaragua, Honduras,

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constitution or come yes that it is. He was removed from the Constitution.

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It is prohibited by Constitution an Dale, Guatemala, El Salvador Tejiri,

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Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru and Venezuela. You said five that you already won

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what I give you oh hai you
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t i t you. People can' t fit in there either, it

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' s true. But I love, for example, that you can get

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married in Mexico, in Brazil,
in Argentina, and that just happened,

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not in Mexico. Yes, it' s very recent. I know,

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Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, well, in the United States we already know,

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and well all the countries I didn' t mention. Right there you

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can get married. There. You
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well planned. I' m sorry. I' m sorry, okay,

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well, we already broke the ice
for this first episode. If you have

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questions that you want us to answer
that way, you send them to me

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and or you pay them Aquín and
he won' t know. And all

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right, come ask ok me,
I think it' s time now,

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Joaquin, to invite your mom Dale, so, okay now we have the

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first guest of the season and I' m fascinated because, besides that I

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love her, she was one of
the people that made our podcast go viral,

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become vibrating during the previous season and
is a star. Thank you,

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Lucero for coming again, thank you
for inviting us. I congratulate them because

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it has been a success. It
was something that was needed and here it

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is with you, because yes,
I love that you come back, especially

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because, as some might not know, Luz Héro is Joaquin' s mom

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and during the previous season we had
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what it was like for parents to
see that their children were gay, etcetera.

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And we actually had a clip that
went viral on Instagram among gays.

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There you can find us in low
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when the podcast went viral, I
did have a bit of a tense situation,

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because there were a lot of positive
comments, but also a lot of

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negative comments from people who hadn'
t heard the full podcast, right and

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they stayed like a snip or maybe
they saw in the first sentence or the

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headline, but they didn' t
see the whole video, which was very

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nice. The truth is that there
was a real that we went up that

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has a hundred and two ten thousand
views and that' s where all the

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positive and negative comments are and my
mom called me she said oh, they

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' re attacking me what b ygo, Mom, you don' t have

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to do anything. For starters,
you' re reading the comments and you

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don' t read them. There
are people who are going to love you

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very much and there are people who
give you hate for the simple fact that

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my gay son went to me.
Well, yes, yes, and the

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truth is that they see some negative
comments, some positive comments and Lucero is

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here to answer them all. Quie
Joaquín, I know you had some comments

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maybe that caught attention during the actual
Instagram and comments that we also received on

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social networks and in Spotify, where
many of you have also left us the

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comments. So, thank you for
that you have some there that you want

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to read to us now to start
and then be able to ask him some

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other questions that remained pending. Or
that people sent us on the previous podcast,

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because they already know that we here, you send us questions, you

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give us your feedback and we bring
it back podcast. So we have a

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lot of things to tell you in
this new season. And of course,

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okay, the first comment I said
Aeron Matches is personal. You said you

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' re the one who did it. So this is not the culprit and

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I was born like that, so, but not even that I was a

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scientist, right look. I think
no dad wants to see his son suffer

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then and it' s not that
Joaquin Ahorita is suffering. What I can

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tell you is that I made a
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a son who is not afraid of
life, a fear so much so that

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he was not afraid to face what
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we put fears in the children and
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though, as I said last time, it was hard at first,

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but he also knew he has a
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he saw. The resilience that he
gets through, that he can, that

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nothing happens, that we see how
we solve in family what we are going

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through. I remember when I went
to college, too, you told me

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not to go out of closet at
the university, no stains, and the

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creese just came out to the closet. Of course not, but you had

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that feeling that Miguel attacks that you' re going to be there, that

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he' s not going to be
there to fall something happens. But that

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' s part of being, of
letting the kids go and making them themselves.

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That' s being part of a
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moms, as I said in the
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non- generalised, we' re
chicken moms that we like to care for

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and protect our children. And as
he went to college, he was getting

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out of my wing, out of
my protection. But this, then,

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I have learned from him that he
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strong and that he can face and
face all the situations that come. It

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didn' t get out of my
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already squeamish and I like girls,
oh my God, let' s go

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back. He' s no bigger
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I' m going to resume the
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podcast. I know that who is
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later, because now I want to
do as a raffle, a raffle,

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a rush, quick comments and questions
for Lucero, because Lucero had many comments

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that left us on social networks and
I want to see how you respond to

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this, after people made us reflect
on your words. Right, you were

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hoping to see your married son and
grandchildren, but you got gay. You

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still expect to have a grandson.
You still expect him to see married,

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even with a man. I hope
to see you married. I want you

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to be happy and that' s
it. Yes, and it' s

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something I' ve learned. Neither
my daughters who are sty nor my son.

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I want to see him married,
I want to see him happy And

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if god or life or the universe
whatever you want to call him, he

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has a couple and I see him
in married couple and happy ok and if

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not, it' s also okay
or the same I hope, Right now,

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I have a wonderful granddaughter of my
other son who is also gay i

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e life. She taught me that
you don' t need to have a

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specific sexual orientation to be a grandmother. I' m a perfect grandmother,

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Joaquin, but still. I ask
your mom questions, but I have questions

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for you too. Joaquin, you
want to get married, yes, yes,

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I want to get married. Joaquin, you want to have kids the

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net I don' t know,
right now, I' m kind of

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not. I am already thirty-
two years old, I am going to

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turn thirty- three and I said
for thirty- five if I have no

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children or do not have the cape, capable, economic, economic capacity,

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I do not want to have children
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if already after thirty- five,
I say I will not give you the

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quality because I would like to give
you a son, rehearsed to play football,

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I do not know activities that children
do. Right, I say that

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already after thirty- five years,
it kind of makes it harder for you

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to do all that with your kids. If you can do more, that

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' s the son I made,
a responsible son. Okay. I think

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this is going to be quite controversial. Leave us your comments about you think

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there' s a perfect age to
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I know Joaqulla will give us his
answer, but you can also give

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us his answer, and that could
give us the door open for another topic

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that we can talk about in the
podcast, about what is ideal for being

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a dad when you are k because
many gas tend to be dads are more

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when they are older, because at
the beginning of their life they are trying

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to understand who they were. We
have no friends, in fact one of

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them is forty- five years old, the other is thirty- nine years

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old and they have a two-
year- old baby and they travel with

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her around the world. I think
she' s gone to more countries than

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I' ve traveled. I mean, the passport has, like, twenty

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- five stamps, and so,
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They all seem very happy. So
something that everything, you have to

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put it on a scale. But
I have more because I star in some

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way. You were counting on the
previous podcast and people were telling us about

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this that when Joaquin found out,
when you found out that Joaquin was gay,

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you reacted in a way because he
was based. You' re based

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on a canon and expectations that parents
used to have before and that your generation

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' s parents still have. But
the parents of my generation probably don'

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t have that much anymore, because
the world has changed so much. You

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don' t think you had reacted
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more ins training related to the world, the Gibt k Plush at that time,

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because I understand that before there was
less information. Sure, definitely,

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my reaction would have been different.
It is ignorance, as I said last

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time, that makes you react to
situations within ignorance. Now that I know

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and know and I see how I
said it last time, it' s

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just that no one would have to
leave the closet. I didn' t

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go out or do a press conference, I didn' t tell my parents

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or anyone, I told them that
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So, exactly now, I think
those who have to change a little bit

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or change are the new generations.
No one has to leave the closet anymore,

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because sexuality is in the room.
Of course they' re out and

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what it is to the new generations
or the old generations and these. I

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think it' s gonna be a
little harder to change the chip. Education

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can be given, but still.
I think he' s still having a

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hard time. I' m saying
it for my parents. Of course,

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we' re going to bring an
example for you to johere, because I

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see that Joaquin kind of didn'
t understand. I think we' re

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going to set an example. For
example, you' re referring to you

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have younger daughters, for example,
and there' s a new generation that

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you consider that they don' t
have to be like Joaquin, that Mom

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told you I' m gay.
Just if at this point someone has a

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son or daughter and suddenly comes home, she says she' s my girlfriend,

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because nothing happens, because it wouldn' t have to be seen.

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That' s your point. I
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Te. I' m going to
set a much clearer example to my

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dad, my dads and me.
It cost us a lot of work when

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they came out of the closet.
Instead, there was Montse who wasn'

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t born yet. For Montse all
this has been much easier, that is,

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your friendship with Joaquin. To you, you are gay your partner is

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gay On and you have seen that
for Montset there is no surprise, or

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for Isabella, who is smaller why, because they are with the chip and

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do not have that evil or that
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where they taught us that the man
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there is no middle point. This
one and my girls have grown up with

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freedom of thought or reasoning. Whatever
you want to call him, I love

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it. I love this reflection because
they are just some of those questions that

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were left pending in the previous podcast
and that people made us get through Spotify

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and social networks. Remember that if
you are in Spotify, you can Javier

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the podcast and leave a comment and
we will read it here too and that

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is very interesting. Joaquin can still
have children and there are people who talked

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about things a little strange in the
comments they give us. Some of them

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said good it doesn' t matter
if you don' t have grandchildren with

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them, because men shouldn' t
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There are even places where we cannot
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and in California in particular. If
you can what do you think of people

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' s prejudices when two men can
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I just got asked that question now
that I went to Mexico, that

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how I now see my granddaughter with
two parents who is stealing the role of

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woman, which is the role of
exactly God. There are no roles here,

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no roles. Here is love and
pure love. This granddaughter doesn'

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t have the evil we adults have. She' s seeing her dery and

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she' s seeing her dad and
she' s seeing that she' s

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being surrounded by love. She'
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of us then. I think the
world is transforming and it is transforming into

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something wonderful that is very easy to
criticize behind a keyboard, but to live

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it. That' s a wonderful
thing. I see that the world is

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transformed into love and very beautiful point, very nice this and now I want

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to continue with more questions and you
know. You, some moms or you

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' ve met friends who might have
been through something similar, who have gay

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kids and you' ve had a
chance to advise them because I was talking

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to my mom the other day and
she was telling me that she had a

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friend that her son was gay and
she didn' t know what to do.

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I don' t know what,
and my mom explained the whole process

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to him, told him how it
was, told him her experience and now

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it' s her, because she' s kind of accepted everything much better,

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not with someone else' s experience. He can help you from another

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mom on this one. Not if
I wanted to know if you had the

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experience of positively impacting other moms who
are going through something similar. If I

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' ve been touched by this impacting
someone' s life for the better,

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because we already have to change the
chip that more children continue to suffer from

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this and people think we should stop
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That' s one and the most
important, because I felt it, that

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' s what my dad' s
going to say, what my brother'

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s going to say, what my
friends are going to say, what the

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neighbor' s going to say,
and it' s overwhelming you. It

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' s not important. That'
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this conversation with moms who are dating
and who have or have the same thoughts

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that I had about what they'
re going to say is what' s

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impacting most. Uh, yeah,
and after they' ve talked to you,

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you think you' ve had a
positive impact or how they got it.

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Yeah, the truth is, I
love it, they talk to me

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and they talk to me and now
what do I do and now what do

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I say? And the truth is, I always tell them. Move for

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love. That never fails, never
give love to your son, 100%

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or at least treat what he tells
you. There, your son is gay.

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You have to do this. You
have to do this. Yeah,

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if your dad supports both of you
guide them. And so And now and

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I have one last question, because
I know that Joaquin has more and besides,

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you have other comments. Which one
do you think, chancha, charle

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you' re going to attack,
no, which one do you think.

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Which is the role of parents today
and of society when they have a child

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who belongs to or feels that it
belongs to a different gender, because really

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right now there is a great debate
around the laws in Florida, for example,

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with the law of Gay Tons and
things like that, where children feel

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of a different gender than they were
born true how you believe or what recommendation

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you would give it from your point
of view, that parents can make for

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me to weigh in that world that
is totally different from the one that you

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had to live for yourself, but
that is also very important. Woe is

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to give some recommendation as such.
I don' t think there is,

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because every situation is different. I
love it then, but I go back

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to the same thing and repeat it, I mean, let yourself be guided

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by that love is I think not
yes, there are parents who do not

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want their obvious children. We can' t generalize, but most of us

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love our children. Let yourselves be
guided. That' s why we put

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aside the one who will tell society
and love those children. Now yes,

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I keep learning, because every day
you learn and every time I love that

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opening for these children is more and
more. I have Isabelita who is in

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high school or in Miruschool, as
they call her here, in the United

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States, and every time she comes
and tells me or your little friend.

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Not that she' s not a
friend, she' s a friend.

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Okay. And how do I have
to go? And I ask the truth,

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how do I tell him, how
do I refer to him, then

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ask him if he gives me the
freedom to ask him and ask him and

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if I don' t tell him
well, you tell me, then how

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do you see her mom. If
you see her boy tell her boys and

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you see her girl tell her girl, then there she goes or we don

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' t keep learning. I love
it because this generation loves him. Many

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generations tell them the Crystal generation and
I' m shocked to be told the

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Crystal generation. They' re not
Crystal. They' re stronger than we

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are because they' re daring to
say what they didn' t dare tell

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you before, you' re absolutely
right, but that' s also the

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end of respect. Of course if
you identify with the woman and you'

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re already this cinse chaning you who
is woman and bully are she ok and

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read she' s respect at the
end of the day. It' s

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the most basic thing. Respect how
your problems are identified. All that,

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yes, is respect. Now it
has become much more than a bit complicated,

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because, for example, there is
one my child tells me. There

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' s someone who identifies himself as
something. That' s already more complicated.

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00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.319
Yeah, so, right now,
it' s the property that I

415
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:36.000
come back to and I repeat to
you, now is a generation that has

416
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:41.759
the freedom that we, mentally,
didn' t have of ok you identify

417
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.160
how it dries this day, what
it has, how it dictates you,

418
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:51.119
how it affects the world. If
I explain, we don' t have

419
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:56.079
to start thinking differently, open our
minds I' m going to talk to

420
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.839
you about something. When I came
here to this area, to that of

421
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.359
San Francisco, I came from the
city of Juarez and came from the pass,

422
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:08.279
came from a community like Chiquitita,
where men are men, women are

423
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:15.559
women, where the majority did not
generalize, they were Catholics. When I

424
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.319
get here and I realize there'
s an opening and I' m going

425
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:26.640
to talk about a subject that shouldn' t be talked about, but religion

426
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:27.799
ay gee, there' s this, there' s another one here,

427
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:32.000
there, there. I' m
not going to educate my children in Catholicism.

428
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:41.680
It would be very selfish of me
to close them here when there'

429
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.839
s an opening up here. I
will give you the sacraments that you taught

430
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:52.079
me above your human rights, because
I baptized you without asking and I confirmed

431
00:29:52.119 --> 00:30:00.000
them without asking. They made the
first communion and confirmation already made him strong,

432
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.559
because that' s what they taught
me. But I didn' t

433
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.759
want them. I didn' t
force them to go to Mass, don

434
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:11.759
' t force them why, because
I wanted to give them the freedom that

435
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.279
if they wanted to marry a Mormon, for example, or with a Buddhist,

436
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.200
for example, they had that clear
line, so, that' s

437
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:22.640
the way the world is. Right
now, I set that example, but

438
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:29.440
that' s it. We can' t lock our children in closets and

439
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:34.519
here it goes no more is in
sexuality, it' s in religions in

440
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:40.000
politics, it' s in culture. We can' t lock them up

441
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.880
We have to give them the freedom
to be them. I love it perfect.

442
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.799
Joaquin, you had more comments than
there were on social media. There

443
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.799
are many more, but I'
ll tell you ton more to see one

444
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.319
said is so maternal that to feel
your son guilty. It' s not

445
00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:03.880
that the question there isn' t
for me, it' s for you

446
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:08.119
I' ve asked you not anymore. I think the ignorance of when Joaquin

447
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.279
came out maybe yes and it wasn' t no. I don' t

448
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.200
think I ever made him feel guilty, but it was my fault, that

449
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.039
is, the questions I was asking
him. It was. Where did I

450
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:27.119
go wrong? No, where did
you go wrong? Where I was wrong

451
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:33.079
that I made you like this,
because I did feel that I had done

452
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.559
it like this. Now I realized
I didn' t. That' s

453
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:44.839
how my pimp was born. There' s genes in there, and I

454
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:45.519
know it' s good, there' s the last one. Mothers are

455
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:52.440
the first to know what gays are, the last to accept them. I

456
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.680
think it' s true there.
Uh, I say that also the mothers

457
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:05.519
of my generation do, I think
they have a more open generation, more

458
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:10.680
educated, because now, with all
the technology that is given to the Internet,

459
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.200
it is no longer so easy to
remain in ignorance. In my case,

460
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.839
my mom was the last to accept
it into my family, which is

461
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.400
very small, but my grandmother said
she already knew and barely found out.

462
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.319
I said ah, yes, I
already knew how wonderful, but my mom

463
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.599
was like that it cost her,
as mat cost her a little more,

464
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.839
but then she accepted it, right, but at first it did cost her

465
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.680
more. It' s just that
we' re Latin moms. And I

466
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.240
think I don' t know,
I don' t know your mom,

467
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.400
I don' t have the taste, but I almost think your mom'

468
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.119
s concern was the same as mine. I mean, it got out of

469
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.839
hand. I can' t take
care of him. Everything you say,

470
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:57.440
everything you see, the attacks there
are, that' s what I said,

471
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.279
that also expectations there are. He
has a decision that my son was

472
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.240
going to have a family, that
he was going to have a wife and

473
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:10.079
he was going to have his house
and he was going to marry in the

474
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.200
Catholic Church you had all those expectations
and when he said" hey" or

475
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.000
" hey," that was already
clear. Yeah, probably. Probably.

476
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:24.119
But now I' m happy.
Happy to see Joaquin Happy makes me happy.

477
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:32.000
This one has a wonderful couple,
a very educated man. I learn

478
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:38.440
from that man who came into my
life and I see my happy son what

479
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.519
else you can ask him for as
a bad life. I see my prosperous

480
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:50.359
son I see my happy son and
I loved it. Full, I love

481
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.279
good, star. Thank you so
much for having been here today with us

482
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.119
dust to see and for being one
of our first interviewees in this new season.

483
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.480
Of course we had to have you
here with us and when there are

484
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.119
more comments, nothing happens to all
your fans and all your haters. I

485
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.199
want to tell you that the star
here, Huelbeck, we have her here,

486
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.280
Cerquita, comes a little closer and
talks to us again. Of course,

487
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.360
it does as many times as it
takes, if you don' t

488
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.480
stop watching these guys' podcasts,
because now it' s coming more and

489
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:25.440
better. So, thank you so
much for being with us. Thank you

490
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:31.440
ps soon. So ah so at
dinner bye good night, well, well.

491
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:37.840
Our next guest is Gerry Rakek,
a friend of deliveries who is also

492
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:42.400
gay and Guatemalan. We really love
that you' re here, Gerry,

493
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:49.280
because we have a fantastic theme for
you, Uy. But before we get

494
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.440
into it, we have two questions
for you. Okay Dale, I'

495
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.519
m gonna ask one and he'
s gonna ask another. Get ready to

496
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:02.000
see the first time what dating app
you use or what you use right now

497
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.559
would be grinder ok henger and jan. But there are others that have been

498
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:14.679
used as kehubent Ok and I have
never used that ok is another had mind

499
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.480
snie did ofthimits bagle oh how.
I don' t know if the app

500
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:21.719
was like webside maybe, but I
do that' s okay rapa wey that

501
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.679
was the only one, because it' s I think you only got like

502
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.360
three or six a day, three
a day uf everything you have to be

503
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:35.559
very selective, wow, but it' s also like tinder, that you

504
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.000
spend swiping or almost as chandlerbor because
you have to choose them basically if you

505
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.960
just had to do from where you
did, you had to be very selective

506
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.719
WEY because if you got your mari, they don' t pick you,

507
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:47.039
then you just stay talking about just
what Coffyn' s called vigo caffinits pay,

508
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.159
but it still exists. He hasn' t opened it, because okhupe

509
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.840
I know that a friend strail uses
it and likes it and out there gets

510
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.079
a boyfriend. He doesn' t
use finger chando ah but there you got

511
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.199
your husband and there I got my
boyfriend. If they' re looking for

512
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.320
something serious, I' d recommend
it. Don' t pay. I

513
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.039
don' t pay, yes,
but expensive. I paid for it once

514
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.039
and said but for what. If
you don' t give me much,

515
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.199
I have to pay the other one
more expensive to have more, like features.

516
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.000
Yeah no, I wasn' t
going to pay s hing no.

517
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:25.559
You love me horrible paybacks and I
like to have blacks like blogs ah to

518
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:31.320
block before. It' s good. It has the ats aha and you

519
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.679
have limit of ten per day The
BLOCGS. I mean, I' m

520
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.760
sorry for what you do if you' re too close to my Black b

521
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:39.519
because I' m not gonna be
interested. I don' t like having

522
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.840
someone near Dao. I thought you
were doing it for geolocation, because I

523
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.840
remember that in Grinder, when you
paid, I never got to pay.

524
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.079
But if they want the pictures,
it' s that when you have to

525
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.239
when you pay, you have geo
localization, like they open up the map.

526
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.639
I think that' s for everyone, but you have a permit of

527
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:04.440
which profiles you can open drager or
block those who are sanquitas the point of

528
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.199
big gigs. But he doesn'
t like it. But if I don

529
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:12.400
' t like them, obviously I' m not going to ok the next

530
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:13.360
question, because we' re going
to talk more about it. The next

531
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:20.360
question is whether you have joined the
Gron sports group or whether you have any

532
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.480
kind of relationship as well as sports
clubs as well as people k or different.

533
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.440
I' m two eleven years old. I joined the tenes Gel thef

534
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.840
Y, but recently I joined the
Ultimate Three bey ok and they' re

535
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.960
from groups that yes, ah how
well they' re both very specific here

536
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.039
in San Francisco, well gay,
well gas. I hadn' t really

537
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:50.039
heard this in any other city.
I do not know whether in Europe,

538
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.039
for our friends who listen to us
from Spain, we should be left with

539
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.760
comments. When I was living in
Madrid, no one did a lie app.

540
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.400
There was a gay football group and
a rugby group. Now that I

541
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.599
remember, yes, and they were
like super famous because they were promoting them

542
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:07.960
to Prie and everything I remember.
I don' t know if there was.

543
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.360
Other cities have yes, if there
was yes, I have in the

544
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.559
contributions of two bup in Los Angeles. No, but no longer lasted a

545
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.320
season of saying no. No.
It' s not for me, but

546
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.639
well, I don' t know
about that, because it turns out there

547
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.840
' s a new trend, especially
in jense I found love or at least

548
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.920
a hookup in sports clubs. I
didn' t know that and this is

549
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.320
coming out in New Yok Times of
Acture something like that and in The New

550
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.480
York Times I had an article about
this and more recently I also saw it

551
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.880
in Pop Shuar. They made an
article in which they were interviewing people in

552
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.880
Los Angeles, also people in Washington
DC and in New York and gave their

553
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:45.880
experience in sports clubs, especially running
clubs, where people went because they liked

554
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.039
it very much because they had the
opportunity to meet a person to see how

555
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.199
it developed in the group. You
can sit down and talk without any commitment.

556
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.880
Not like apps, right, because
when you' re on an app,

557
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.960
it' s or I know you
because I' m sexually interested.

558
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.039
Or I know you because I want
to have something with you beyond. Not

559
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.800
normally in apps, like they don' t lend much as a woman to

560
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.960
ay I want to be your friend. No, I mean, people aren

561
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:13.880
' t in Grinder to be a. You can correct me if I'

562
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:19.159
m wrong. People aren' t
in Grinder to be friends point and if

563
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.920
they don' t like it,
they leave me a comment, but I

564
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.639
agree. But, well, that
was another topic. I always say Grinder

565
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:29.639
is what you want exaxactly. Okay, my only ex- ex I'

566
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.480
ve met from Grinder and we were
friends for a year and a half before

567
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:36.840
we did anything. So, they
actually went or met at Grinder and were

568
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.159
pure friends, friends. Yeah,
after photos were exchanged, yeah, no,

569
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.800
yeah, yeah, we met,
we didn' t meet. Once

570
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:50.280
there, I didn' t have
much attraction. Oh, he gives you

571
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.360
the vike. There are some that
give you the vipe of what there is.

572
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.760
No. I don' t like
ga or quo that way, but

573
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.960
I had no intention of being your
friend. They said we had good pla,

574
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.239
but nothing else. I' m
called Chingan I met him at Grander

575
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.239
and we met and he was friends' connection. It wasn' t a

576
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.920
romantic or ap- hock connection or
something. They were friends, no more,

577
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.159
but they talked about it. They
told him that' s what it

578
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:22.239
was like I said it was mutual
that that' s how things happened and

579
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.880
like we don' t ask each
other what' s going on, we

580
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.719
don' t take it from me. What' s going on is that

581
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.960
we' re good at each other' s subject. I do, there

582
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.360
' s a person, that'
s me, when I' ve used

583
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:36.360
Green Grinder before, it' s
been for not looking for friends. It

584
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.639
' s because there' s wanna
hookup, I want a hookup, or

585
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.280
because I want to meet someone because
I' m attracted I' ve never

586
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.519
been at another point. It'
s Grinder is what you want, this

587
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.239
is what you want to bring from
that app. I' ve been reading

588
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.039
the REDDI. All that I was
reading in King and when I was preparing

589
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.800
this podcast and people were just complaining
that I couldn' t get people to

590
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.280
talk in Grinder that they wanted,
they were clearly putting their profile. I

591
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.199
' m not looking for a hoo
ob. I' m looking to meet

592
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.719
people, make friends, talk,
and then you see what happens. But

593
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.159
those people never got messages because big
people were more interested in something else.

594
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.320
In fact, the apps themselves are
encouraging you to do that. I'

595
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.559
ve been reading too and Grinder and
I think it' s also Craft have

596
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.719
a time when they tell you it' s crazy time or it' s

597
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.559
the time when we have more people
connected. Ten of Saturday night. Everyone

598
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.199
is looking for a hookp because you
don' t pay five extra dollars and

599
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:30.480
we literally promote your profile if you
pay us five dollars to have a Soon

600
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.119
Ok Surrey Surrey Gary hook. But
it' s clear no, because now

601
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.800
I see who paid for it wasn' t free with the subscription before and

602
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:42.280
then they started charging it. Yeah, because everyone wanted it, but who

603
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.960
' s going to pay ten hours
cs OK and this brings us the question

604
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.360
of what motivated you to join these
sports clubs. It was basically because the

605
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.360
apps didn' t fill you.
Or it was another interest. I think

606
00:41:53.440 --> 00:42:00.519
it' s like one is that
I wanted to have sports hobbies always in

607
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.920
interest, if I wanted to be
a hobby, but it was also a

608
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.679
way to get to know more organic
people. Yeah, without that, like

609
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.719
that pressure to do something specific,
that wet Nne. But free Bey was

610
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.920
a friend who always went as he
tried and I said Ok let' s

611
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:23.559
try and you have had the experience
of meeting someone there in Freesby in tennis

612
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:30.440
that interests you for little and s
but the dog. Or not, because

613
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.280
it depends. I think it'
s more dependent on the connection, because

614
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.840
just like my team I have of
Freesby flat out, well, not on

615
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:43.519
my team there' s none that
interests me. Okay, not like that,

616
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:46.079
but give him this podcast in case
anyone has a question. It already

617
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.440
separates ah, but from other teams
yes, it just depends on what that

618
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.039
is like as a dynamic. No, OK, and yes it' s

619
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.880
how I' m going to throw
them to see what and if you'

620
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.960
ve met people who have, who
have met on the team and have done

621
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.760
something, they' re hookups couple
or something if it happens, if it

622
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.039
happens, they' ve heard at
least one, I think, but I

623
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:10.760
don' t know how common it
would be. I think it' s

624
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.199
like everyone else, because many days
come with a couple. Ah I thought

625
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.320
here thinking that people or to look
to leave these clubs. No, but

626
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.519
I spent it being the article.
You did read us both. It'

627
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.320
s just that people, the jens
seus are no longer using Raff Grinder.

628
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.559
It' s hard what you want
for the game, cap to go to

629
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:36.039
jags and all that is getting into
sports teams to find the love of your

630
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.559
life, to go get whatever you
want instead of being on the app.

631
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:44.800
But because they also like that hobby, because if it' s not more

632
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.760
work, it' s good to
go to play, to do a sport

633
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.159
and for what, maybe to meet
someone. Yeah, that' s why

634
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.800
a lot of people are functional once
and then they leave it if they don

635
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.239
' t like anyone, but they
do, too, I mean think you

636
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.039
' re going to the cool sport, or it' s your team but

637
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.920
you' re playing with other teams. What' s up? On account,

638
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.679
that' s good that the record
he liked from other teams or from

639
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.559
teams there more, because it'
s like two hundred and more gas.

640
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:16.199
Now I have more questions for you
single. I' m single, okay,

641
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:22.159
better. Questions or not are more
related to where you think you would

642
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:28.480
get a more organic relationship now that
you move on different worlds, you have

643
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.440
no friends, you have friends who
are from the sports club and then you

644
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.679
have the experience with apps. What
do you think is the best combination,

645
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.119
the best formula for someone who'
s casually single who' s looking to

646
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:45.440
meet someone, because if his loss
wasn' t letting go, because I

647
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:51.039
think it' s pure to me
it' s lucky, because I'

648
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:52.920
ve met him a lot of people
for apps I think he' d never

649
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.119
met. If it hadn' t
been for applications, we' d never

650
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.360
have crossed handles. And more,
it would be better to meet someone in

651
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.320
person because it' s more organic
You can immediately see how it' s

652
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:08.840
sparks, yeah, what' s
that chemistry or how you speak the net.

653
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:12.480
I don' t know why because
I, if I was in people

654
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.320
like that I' m more embarrassed
in person and I' m a little

655
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.960
more aggressive when the apps were.
I mean, I don' t think

656
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.719
I' m more confident about throwing
that dog behind him than you' re

657
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.360
physically not there. You also have
that a wall from where you can still

658
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.960
like because I have longed to show
the reaction that good the reaction of rejection

659
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.519
rejection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This happened to me once I'

660
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.079
m doing fine in person. I
think I can read people a little bit.

661
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.920
In fact, that' s why
I' m so good at CARSC

662
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.800
Games Himanity. I always do super
well in that game because you read people

663
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.119
and you have answers to put in
so that they choose mine. But I

664
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.760
think it' s a non-
social skill. And the thing is,

665
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.760
I do know how to play a
little bit when someone likes it. But

666
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:04.400
once I was in a club many
years ago and I remember that I thought

667
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:09.000
I read all the signals correctly and
I wasn' t even drunk and I

668
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:13.280
was rejected as a toano. After
we have like all night flirting like I

669
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.840
interpret the signals more or the chao
maybe, I think the boy maybe mind

670
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.760
I already think what happened is that, maybe, he also met another the

671
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.440
same moment and already, because he
said to. Well, ahob, I

672
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.199
' m going with bo and I' m just like there' s a

673
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.360
bad interpretation. I think that'
s what I really understood most as new.

674
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.599
But since you' ve got to
be real quick, you' re

675
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.639
being made fun of right away,
someone else' s gonna come and take

676
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.199
it away from you. Oh,
don' t go. I already knew

677
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.320
this. One hundred percent with me. I don' t want 100%.

678
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.039
I didn' t, because I
already knew this when I moved to

679
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:45.920
San Francisco. This didn' t
happen to me when I lived in Madrid,

680
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.480
but when I moved to San Francisco, I realized that if you weren

681
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:54.119
' t abused, you stay alone
because I remember being in one in a

682
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.039
bar, in a club, I
don' t remember if it was bo

683
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.679
or where, and I remember getting
on with this guy, but the truth

684
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:01.960
is it was super. I was
single and I was flirting with this guy

685
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.320
and I was super slow I did
like him, well, but I didn

686
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.039
' t understand his signals. I
think maybe he was a little bit shire,

687
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.320
a little shy, and then there
came another one more abused and the

688
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.559
other, like he went to get
a drink, he took a long time

689
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.079
later like he didn' t give
me, it wasn' t clear to

690
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.440
me if he was really interested in
me. I said, well, bye,

691
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.639
and I stayed with the other one
talking, I don' t know

692
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:23.719
what and I went out with the
other one and then the guy said ay,

693
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:25.239
because I was. I, yes, I was watching over you,

694
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.800
but you went with someone else and
I, because you didn' t see

695
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.719
me at the signs. It'
s not my fault. You got you

696
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.519
Huph Tom of Faster. You have
to move fast, not wow. You

697
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.280
have to meet someone and see we
have to do an experiment with those who

698
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.679
don' t, because I already
saw him the other day well abused in

699
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.159
the bar. I saw him the
other day well abused at the bar and

700
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.039
he did well. There, you
know, it didn' t go well,

701
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.039
well, it was tea, it
went well for a while. I

702
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.320
then already and then I don'
t know what happened very often, because

703
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:53.679
for me I know if you know
what I' m talking about. No,

704
00:47:53.760 --> 00:48:00.440
I am or I am not crazy, I never do it I was

705
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:06.920
dancing like this and then I turn
around and some bastard is pushing me and

706
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:13.119
turning me around and it' s
what I had done, well but I

707
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.960
thought super good, super natural super
it wasn' t yes, because he

708
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.400
came to me then I could go
to someone, but I don' t

709
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.119
like to do it. You see, when I do, it doesn'

710
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.119
t go to anything. He came
with me and then we talked, but

711
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.920
he was, I think, on
drugs, because in the end he was

712
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.960
kind of confused about something He'
s, like, confusing me there I

713
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.559
lost interest there because I said it
doesn' t make sense and he tells

714
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.000
him you want to go grab one
once, but before that he had told

715
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:40.880
me he had gone to the bathroom
and took a while and I think he

716
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.239
was doing drugs. I knew you
did drugs. He gave him no.

717
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.360
Then you want a drink. Or
that I said yes. We saw the

718
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.239
board and he asks me it'
s you, not my turn to pay.

719
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.280
We just got to know what'
s up. So I don'

720
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:55.960
t know if I was getting confused
with anyone. I wasn' t out

721
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.440
of touch. I think that,
because I didn' t want to pay,

722
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:01.079
I didn' t want to pay, but that' s not the

723
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.719
way to do it. So,
you' re going to offer me so

724
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.920
you ask me wey then he ordered
it and he only ordered it for him.

725
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.639
And after that aha turns me right, I know oh, you wanted

726
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.519
something I said to him in English. I' m not okay. I

727
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.079
' m asking you what you want
to be. I' ll go with

728
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.800
my friends bye to that point that' s why not. No, I

729
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.440
don' t quite agree. I
kissed him well, I didn' t

730
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.719
kiss well, but I did not. I didn' t like me and

731
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.199
I didn' t like you that
much either. Yeah. I was good

732
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.639
at it, but no, handsome
is the sale. I didn' t

733
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.400
see his face. I knew it
was like that. I didn' t

734
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.039
see him dancing then I didn'
t see you doing that. I had

735
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.320
a dance myself, but it'
s okay. Me. That' s

736
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.679
not my routine. It' s
not from me I don' t like,

737
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:45.880
you don' t like, I
don' t like to kiss,

738
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.480
it' s kind of weird.
I don' t believe many people that

739
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.840
you don' t like to kiss
in public places, or you don'

740
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.440
t like to kiss in general in
general, but if I do, it

741
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.239
' s because it' s someone
I like, although when I do it

742
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:04.239
in public it' s pretty weird, right, because I just met that

743
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:06.360
I don' t also drink a
factor I did that, yeah, well,

744
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.480
there are some benefits. I believe
and I love that you have told

745
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.320
this experience, Garry, because that
also makes it clear to us what real

746
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.679
- life interactions are like. This
person didn' t know her at all,

747
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:15.840
you met her at the time and
this is what happened. It'

748
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.840
s no longer a perfect example of
how that is. I think an effect,

749
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.320
a more perfect example of what normal
society is like when you' re

750
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.880
not in an app or when you' re not in a club where I

751
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.360
think it' s a little bit
more direct than an app, because you

752
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:30.519
avoid the top smoll. You don' t have to be someone. If

753
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:32.440
you don' t want to because
there' s a group, no,

754
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:34.960
then it' s not like when
you have a writer date. You need

755
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.280
to talk to that person because they' re already sitting there, both of

756
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.079
them, in a restaurant one by
one. And then you also eliminate the

757
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.719
pressure because you' re not going
to meet a person you' re going

758
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.960
to team up. You can talk
to anyone and then decide whether you like

759
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.360
someone or not, and above all, you can observe the behavior of people

760
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.480
and the person that attracts you at
that time and then decide whether or not

761
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.280
you want to throw yourself. When
you' re in grinder, in an

762
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.679
app. It' s more like
good I' ll see what this person

763
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.039
is like or when you' re
in real life, you know the person

764
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:09.880
beginning, all right, you look
pretty, but then, well, a

765
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.599
clear jerk, but I' d
say good, not so much to meet

766
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:17.920
someone. I' d say you
have to go to those types of sports

767
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.199
with gay people, community building,
güey. I think it' s nice.

768
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.679
Yeah, I think it' s
pretty. Frisbey is very social.

769
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:29.960
So it' s been like a
new experience because they' re very everyone,

770
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.280
they' re very friendly. You' ve got it, I think

771
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.199
parts aren' t so social,
and they' re all more social,

772
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:37.840
but they' re not older,
yes, and then no more. I

773
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:38.559
don' t think they can play
that. At the same time, no,

774
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.800
no, but there are times they
do as a double social who is

775
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.199
about twenty thirty people who are like
rotating couples, then he is a social,

776
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:57.599
but he is not that chido,
but he is emittergeal permitrgy but Fresbieys

777
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.679
more social because they do events outside
of the Games ah ok Ok, because

778
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:07.199
if they do not have sports in
their country, city or country city where

779
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:07.679
they live, you do, well, that is a very important thing.

780
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.280
Sometimes we' re also waiting for
someone to do something for us. It

781
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.760
' s like I' m trying
to get more content creators who spoke in

782
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.679
Spanish at Baria and it' s
like, if there isn' t a

783
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.719
group, then I think so and
see who one you' re now invited

784
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:27.400
to, I already have two b
ya well, what do you say,

785
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.719
that' s the most embarrassing moment
you' ve ever gone through on a

786
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.239
date to ok already good. Let' s do an introduction to this ay

787
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:40.519
sorry quick questions for the gay shift
fuck up, but well, which questions

788
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:45.599
one ask for the gay shift?
What would you say is the most embarrassing

789
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.400
moment you' ve ever spent on
a date. Oh, I can'

790
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:55.280
t think of any mm. They' re not fast, oh, I

791
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:04.519
can' t think of one you
farted. It' s a güey date

792
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.400
that happens. It' s natural. We already know what happens to her

793
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:13.440
here that date. I can'
t think of anything. Okay. Well,

794
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:19.039
Joaquin, I' ve farted I' m not mad I saw there

795
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.199
in front of everyone And I don' t know anything either They' re

796
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:35.800
güey. I was wrong. I
think I was very nervous and threw a

797
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.400
drink. Ah, but it'
s not that bad. There' s

798
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.840
a glass of red wine. Well, it didn' t fall on us,

799
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:43.480
we fell on the ground. But
or, but, yeah, he

800
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.280
' s super nervous. That was
many years ago, but yes, I

801
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:50.400
was very nervous. And then the
boy was my boyfriend and it was the

802
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.719
first time this worked out well,
better, it' s not like who

803
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.000
' s gonna tell you something for
that good, but you base it,

804
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.920
yeah. Okay. The second question
is if you have a crush brain and

805
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:06.159
who' s ah right now,
I don' t know if someone new,

806
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:07.280
but cown nail when you' re
nothing else. You saw it at

807
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:13.360
home in the new series, this
at the Tears Stations, already, but

808
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.559
it looks good we watts that'
s my favor, no, already,

809
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.199
well, I was super holl There, then, now it' s in

810
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.199
the new shugar series of Apple TV
Plus. It' s good. And

811
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:28.840
the last chapter wey i no or
ay no, no, no, no?

812
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:28.920
No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

813
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

814
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

815
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

816
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

817
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

818
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

819
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

820
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

821
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:28.920
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

822
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no. No,

823
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

824
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

825
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

826
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

827
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

828
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:29.039
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

830
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

831
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no. Look for Swat two thousand

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three. I think I' m
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thousand three or two thousand three.
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no, no tot Max sv Iguil, but it' s already more

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fixed. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Everyone with their own thing

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is yes. Grie. Thank you
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839
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and being part of the first episode
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Gary, thank you. Ok we
heard about my dearest mother and also the

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