Where we were taught that man is a woman' s man is a woman
and very everyone is looking for a HOKP. Why don' t you pay
five bucks for this and we' ll promote you. People aren' t
in grinder to be friends together and if they don' t like it,
they leave me a comment, but I agree. But well, that'
s always the subject point hello world gas. I am César Salsa and,
of course, between gas is from the gay mecca of the world, San
Francisco, California. Although they already know we' re all over the world.
Joaquin, I think it' s the gay make. Not sure,
San Francisco started the whole movement of a ok Yes, Horvy Malky, well,
New York and San Francisco, yes, that' s good To the
new yor we also want them. It' s all right and, of
course, we already know that many of you are in Spain. We hear
many people from Madrid, Barcelona, Seville, the Islands that also win in
Mexico, because Monterrey, Mexico City, Puerto va Yart have followers of Puerto
Vallarta. I love it because we go a lot for Tovallarta and also,
of course, Venezuela, Colombia and other Latin American countries. So it'
s super excited to be able to come back with a new season. Thanks
to you who listened to the podcast in the previous season, who supported us
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And today, Joaquin, we have good. Like I said before, we
got all that feedback. True, you were there for us, and what
we did was say good. We don' t want to be you and
me anymore. We will always try to have people who bring us different views
to the podcast. We don' t have new sets, new new banner
between gasn Neon who here commissioned us. Thank you, Joaquin. Oh,
you' re welcome. And the truth is, you can see all this
if you' re on video. And the truth is, we have a
number of issues that we' re going to be talking about today. So,
today we have a friend who' s going to suck us, which
is going to bring us a very interesting topic, and it' s that
the other day I was wooded from New York Times and they said that younger
generations, like the gens c no longer want to be in the applications of
ligoteo nothing, of Grinder, of Tinder, of boombles s Croft, like
they don' t like it too much, They seem very i personal and
then they are happening to something totally different and that is not online. It
' s more like in person. You know what kind of painting is.
I don' t know how to tell me that would be good, too
good, but not sports clubs. Oh, no summer stains. I go
to the gym, but sports club. No, yeah, no, but
yeah, we know good people that Douge Bud Kick Poul' s sports clubs
are there. All that. To our friends of Klee we send greetings that
surely are there listening to us friends of any Latin without roof San Francisco.
They have several clubs. Also many of them are in different clubs and I
hear a friend to Gerry and he' s going to come tell us a
little bit about those clubs what interaction is like and if they can really replace
ligoteo platforms like Grinder and The Hook Upsrihke, then we' re going to
be talking to him later. But our first guest today is a person who
was in the previous season. It made us have the most viral Instagram riall
on our account. There were many comments of all kinds and it is the
little star of my love. Joaquin' s mom' s coming to the
podcast because she' s coming for the rematch. Oh, yes, it
comes to respond to the comments, to those negative and also positive comments,
that there are many of them. Yeah, we' re just gonna be
talking. We' re gonna do like a part two of that interview where
Joaquin' s mom was talking about what it was like when she found out
that Joaquin was gay. Right. For many moms, the truth is it
' s a pretty difficult point in life. Now I think there' s
more information. It' s a little simpler, but for moms it'
s usually and for parents in general, the family has been a pretty difficult
point. Today we' re going to have a second part of that.
Let' s answer all the questions of the fans and the haters of Lucero,
because Lucero has fans and haters on Instagram, so I think you have
to listen or watch because we have video. You can see the interview.
We' re also going to have the cuts on Instagram. I' m
very, very excited to get to that part, to that first interview,
our interview with the Lucero is going to be with us. But the truth
is that we also have new sections, truth, yes, of course,
new sections, and one of those sections before we have the indiscreet question.
Now we' re going to have questions to break the ice to break and
it' s that gray that everything, especially also informative questions, because it
' s also held in many places in the world right now and you know
what pris like all year, depends on where you live. But we also
want to have information and these questions can be quite interesting. Some of them
are going to be entertainment. You can also send us questions that you want
to know if we know in the answer. The production prepared these questions for
us. I have the answers here, in case I don' t know
them, I can read them to all of you. Joaquin, let'
s see you wait, I' ll settle here pick one, not the
first one. To see ah ok and read here four winners of Rupo Drag
Race. It' s easy to be from Mexico too that no more here
in the season. Yeah, well, OK, Christian Peralta, ah,
good America, Sasha Coby, who won the pass and the one who just
won, Ninfie wind sasherbelowar and ay my favorite who good, what of the
river. Oh, well, can I just see her and she' s
a bitch. Well, okay, well, yeah, I knew. Not
me. I never did the winners, especially because I never go to the
winners always wins the one that I wasn' t going to qu en leno
in the season sexting of dura groups there I forgot the names. Who names
them. Or there' s Ninfia, Wends, there' s Plaint James,
there' s Safier Plaineo going for play ah me too. But as
in the end the load was a little bit. In the end, I
don' t think it was that good, but I think I already knew
I wasn' t going to win and kept doing his marketing. The group
asked him, asked him questions so that she would open up like when they
were on the podcast. We weren' t really going to talk about this,
but, well, since we' re when she was, when she
was on the podcast, and Michelle told her we need you to open up.
It' s your time to sell you. It' s a time
to tell us who you really are to be vulnerable. And she didn'
t want to. But she didn' t want to. It wasn'
t that he didn' t know he didn' t want to and when
he was already in the stage, they' re asking him a question from
my universes about these other questions, as if he left in my universe.
And she responded again with character with the character. He did not respond as
Ninfia, for example, opened his feelings. She didn' t want to,
and her mom didn' t want to either. I think it'
s cultural. Remember, she' s from Russia, from Russia. Now
it' s either Ukraine or Russia' s, not Russia' s.
Well, if we' re wrong, they leave us the comment, but
it was from there, from a country of this, from Europe, and
I think it costs you a little bit more. Being vulnerable has not come
that time. But it' s fabool, and I was a friend,
super good at triacking. But she' s also cultural and she doesn'
t like it because she' s Shisebech. She' s a character bitch,
she' s a character, but she' s not. She doesn
' t want to be when you' re vulnerable, you open that door
to get attacked. And she thinks she doesn' t like the attack,
but they' re still going to attack her, exactly the same. Ok
now I grab one to see choose one to see, I read it you
read it I read it to sing in which Latin American countries there is no
marriage, the g B t you blus or marriage between people of the same
sex. There' s the answers. I think, the production prepared them
well. I' m going to tell you basic countries, to see Nicaragua,
I don' t think, yes, there it is, but I
' m telling you. I tell you five goes ah ok ok and you
then tell me Nicaraguas, Panama, Honduras, Venezuela, Paraguay. I think,
okay, all these are here. Wey or that I went to countries
I didn' t. I remember they don' t have any. But
tell me there' s more. Yeah, there is, okay. The
first one you said was good. The first is Panama, Nicaragua, Honduras,
constitution or come yes that it is. He was removed from the Constitution.
It is prohibited by Constitution an Dale, Guatemala, El Salvador Tejiri,
Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru and Venezuela. You said five that you already won
what I give you oh hai you haiti. Production has to write better i
t i t you. People can' t fit in there either, it
' s true. But I love, for example, that you can get
married in Mexico, in Brazil, in Argentina, and that just happened,
not in Mexico. Yes, it' s very recent. I know,
Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, well, in the United States we already know,
and well all the countries I didn' t mention. Right there you
can get married. There. You paid me. That wasn' t very
well planned. I' m sorry. I' m sorry, okay,
well, we already broke the ice for this first episode. If you have
questions that you want us to answer that way, you send them to me
and or you pay them Aquín and he won' t know. And all
right, come ask ok me, I think it' s time now,
Joaquin, to invite your mom Dale, so, okay now we have the
first guest of the season and I' m fascinated because, besides that I
love her, she was one of the people that made our podcast go viral,
become vibrating during the previous season and is a star. Thank you,
Lucero for coming again, thank you for inviting us. I congratulate them because
it has been a success. It was something that was needed and here it
is with you, because yes, I love that you come back, especially
because, as some might not know, Luz Héro is Joaquin' s mom
and during the previous season we had a podcast in which we talked about just
what it was like for parents to see that their children were gay, etcetera.
And we actually had a clip that went viral on Instagram among gays.
There you can find us in low bar gays. And the truth is that
when the podcast went viral, I did have a bit of a tense situation,
because there were a lot of positive comments, but also a lot of
negative comments from people who hadn' t heard the full podcast, right and
they stayed like a snip or maybe they saw in the first sentence or the
headline, but they didn' t see the whole video, which was very
nice. The truth is that there was a real that we went up that
has a hundred and two ten thousand views and that' s where all the
positive and negative comments are and my mom called me she said oh, they
' re attacking me what b ygo, Mom, you don' t have
to do anything. For starters, you' re reading the comments and you
don' t read them. There are people who are going to love you
very much and there are people who give you hate for the simple fact that
my gay son went to me. Well, yes, yes, and the
truth is that they see some negative comments, some positive comments and Lucero is
here to answer them all. Quie Joaquín, I know you had some comments
maybe that caught attention during the actual Instagram and comments that we also received on
social networks and in Spotify, where many of you have also left us the
comments. So, thank you for that you have some there that you want
to read to us now to start and then be able to ask him some
other questions that remained pending. Or that people sent us on the previous podcast,
because they already know that we here, you send us questions, you
give us your feedback and we bring it back podcast. So we have a
lot of things to tell you in this new season. And of course,
okay, the first comment I said Aeron Matches is personal. You said you
' re the one who did it. So this is not the culprit and
I was born like that, so, but not even that I was a
scientist, right look. I think no dad wants to see his son suffer
then and it' s not that Joaquin Ahorita is suffering. What I can
tell you is that I made a wonderful son, a very talented son,
a son who is not afraid of life, a fear so much so that
he was not afraid to face what he is because many, many parents,
we put fears in the children and stay where they are. So, Joaquin,
though, as I said last time, it was hard at first,
but he also knew he has a resilient mom, and that' s what
he saw. The resilience that he gets through, that he can, that
nothing happens, that we see how we solve in family what we are going
through. I remember when I went to college, too, you told me
not to go out of closet at the university, no stains, and the
creese just came out to the closet. Of course not, but you had
that feeling that Miguel attacks that you' re going to be there, that
he' s not going to be there to fall something happens. But that
' s part of being, of letting the kids go and making them themselves.
That' s being part of a Latin mom, that is, Latin
moms, as I said in the last podcast, or most of us are
non- generalised, we' re chicken moms that we like to care for
and protect our children. And as he went to college, he was getting
out of my wing, out of my protection. But this, then,
I have learned from him that he is very brave, that he is very
strong and that he can face and face all the situations that come. It
didn' t get out of my hands anymore, as I said last time.
Oh, well, I have to tell a mom that I' m
already squeamish and I like girls, oh my God, let' s go
back. He' s no bigger than that That was a joke. Okay.
I' m going to resume the conversation so this is again a serious
podcast. I know that who is another comment we are going to leave for
later, because now I want to do as a raffle, a raffle,
a rush, quick comments and questions for Lucero, because Lucero had many comments
that left us on social networks and I want to see how you respond to
this, after people made us reflect on your words. Right, you were
hoping to see your married son and grandchildren, but you got gay. You
still expect to have a grandson. You still expect him to see married,
even with a man. I hope to see you married. I want you
to be happy and that' s it. Yes, and it' s
something I' ve learned. Neither my daughters who are sty nor my son.
I want to see him married, I want to see him happy And
if god or life or the universe whatever you want to call him, he
has a couple and I see him in married couple and happy ok and if
not, it' s also okay or the same I hope, Right now,
I have a wonderful granddaughter of my other son who is also gay i
e life. She taught me that you don' t need to have a
specific sexual orientation to be a grandmother. I' m a perfect grandmother,
Joaquin, but still. I ask your mom questions, but I have questions
for you too. Joaquin, you want to get married, yes, yes,
I want to get married. Joaquin, you want to have kids the
net I don' t know, right now, I' m kind of
not. I am already thirty- two years old, I am going to
turn thirty- three and I said for thirty- five if I have no
children or do not have the cape, capable, economic, economic capacity,
I do not want to have children at all. But this all depends because
if already after thirty- five, I say I will not give you the
quality because I would like to give you a son, rehearsed to play football,
I do not know activities that children do. Right, I say that
already after thirty- five years, it kind of makes it harder for you
to do all that with your kids. If you can do more, that
' s the son I made, a responsible son. Okay. I think
this is going to be quite controversial. Leave us your comments about you think
there' s a perfect age to be a dad. For the first time.
I know Joaqulla will give us his answer, but you can also give
us his answer, and that could give us the door open for another topic
that we can talk about in the podcast, about what is ideal for being
a dad when you are k because many gas tend to be dads are more
when they are older, because at the beginning of their life they are trying
to understand who they were. We have no friends, in fact one of
them is forty- five years old, the other is thirty- nine years
old and they have a two- year- old baby and they travel with
her around the world. I think she' s gone to more countries than
I' ve traveled. I mean, the passport has, like, twenty
- five stamps, and so, well, they' re making their bierts.
They all seem very happy. So something that everything, you have to
put it on a scale. But I have more because I star in some
way. You were counting on the previous podcast and people were telling us about
this that when Joaquin found out, when you found out that Joaquin was gay,
you reacted in a way because he was based. You' re based
on a canon and expectations that parents used to have before and that your generation
' s parents still have. But the parents of my generation probably don'
t have that much anymore, because the world has changed so much. You
don' t think you had reacted in a different way if you had had
more ins training related to the world, the Gibt k Plush at that time,
because I understand that before there was less information. Sure, definitely,
my reaction would have been different. It is ignorance, as I said last
time, that makes you react to situations within ignorance. Now that I know
and know and I see how I said it last time, it' s
just that no one would have to leave the closet. I didn' t
go out or do a press conference, I didn' t tell my parents
or anyone, I told them that I had started a straight sex life.
So, exactly now, I think those who have to change a little bit
or change are the new generations. No one has to leave the closet anymore,
because sexuality is in the room. Of course they' re out and
what it is to the new generations or the old generations and these. I
think it' s gonna be a little harder to change the chip. Education
can be given, but still. I think he' s still having a
hard time. I' m saying it for my parents. Of course,
we' re going to bring an example for you to johere, because I
see that Joaquin kind of didn' t understand. I think we' re
going to set an example. For example, you' re referring to you
have younger daughters, for example, and there' s a new generation that
you consider that they don' t have to be like Joaquin, that Mom
told you I' m gay. Just if at this point someone has a
son or daughter and suddenly comes home, she says she' s my girlfriend,
because nothing happens, because it wouldn' t have to be seen.
That' s your point. I wouldn' t have come out of pine.
Te. I' m going to set a much clearer example to my
dad, my dads and me. It cost us a lot of work when
they came out of the closet. Instead, there was Montse who wasn'
t born yet. For Montse all this has been much easier, that is,
your friendship with Joaquin. To you, you are gay your partner is
gay On and you have seen that for Montset there is no surprise, or
for Isabella, who is smaller why, because they are with the chip and
do not have that evil or that old way of thinking that we had,
where they taught us that the man is man, the woman is woman and
there is no middle point. This one and my girls have grown up with
freedom of thought or reasoning. Whatever you want to call him, I love
it. I love this reflection because they are just some of those questions that
were left pending in the previous podcast and that people made us get through Spotify
and social networks. Remember that if you are in Spotify, you can Javier
the podcast and leave a comment and we will read it here too and that
is very interesting. Joaquin can still have children and there are people who talked
about things a little strange in the comments they give us. Some of them
said good it doesn' t matter if you don' t have grandchildren with
them, because men shouldn' t have children and they' re a couple.
There are even places where we cannot yet adopt, in the United States
and in California in particular. If you can what do you think of people
' s prejudices when two men can adopt or even have a child through science.
I just got asked that question now that I went to Mexico, that
how I now see my granddaughter with two parents who is stealing the role of
woman, which is the role of exactly God. There are no roles here,
no roles. Here is love and pure love. This granddaughter doesn'
t have the evil we adults have. She' s seeing her dery and
she' s seeing her dad and she' s seeing that she' s
being surrounded by love. She' s a super- loving girl for both
of us then. I think the world is transforming and it is transforming into
something wonderful that is very easy to criticize behind a keyboard, but to live
it. That' s a wonderful thing. I see that the world is
transformed into love and very beautiful point, very nice this and now I want
to continue with more questions and you know. You, some moms or you
' ve met friends who might have been through something similar, who have gay
kids and you' ve had a chance to advise them because I was talking
to my mom the other day and she was telling me that she had a
friend that her son was gay and she didn' t know what to do.
I don' t know what, and my mom explained the whole process
to him, told him how it was, told him her experience and now
it' s her, because she' s kind of accepted everything much better,
not with someone else' s experience. He can help you from another
mom on this one. Not if I wanted to know if you had the
experience of positively impacting other moms who are going through something similar. If I
' ve been touched by this impacting someone' s life for the better,
because we already have to change the chip that more children continue to suffer from
this and people think we should stop thinking about what they will tell people.
That' s one and the most important, because I felt it, that
' s what my dad' s going to say, what my brother'
s going to say, what my friends are going to say, what the
neighbor' s going to say, and it' s overwhelming you. It
' s not important. That' s not important and I' ve had
this conversation with moms who are dating and who have or have the same thoughts
that I had about what they' re going to say is what' s
impacting most. Uh, yeah, and after they' ve talked to you,
you think you' ve had a positive impact or how they got it.
Yeah, the truth is, I love it, they talk to me
and they talk to me and now what do I do and now what do
I say? And the truth is, I always tell them. Move for
love. That never fails, never give love to your son, 100%
or at least treat what he tells you. There, your son is gay.
You have to do this. You have to do this. Yeah,
if your dad supports both of you guide them. And so And now and
I have one last question, because I know that Joaquin has more and besides,
you have other comments. Which one do you think, chancha, charle
you' re going to attack, no, which one do you think.
Which is the role of parents today and of society when they have a child
who belongs to or feels that it belongs to a different gender, because really
right now there is a great debate around the laws in Florida, for example,
with the law of Gay Tons and things like that, where children feel
of a different gender than they were born true how you believe or what recommendation
you would give it from your point of view, that parents can make for
me to weigh in that world that is totally different from the one that you
had to live for yourself, but that is also very important. Woe is
to give some recommendation as such. I don' t think there is,
because every situation is different. I love it then, but I go back
to the same thing and repeat it, I mean, let yourself be guided
by that love is I think not yes, there are parents who do not
want their obvious children. We can' t generalize, but most of us
love our children. Let yourselves be guided. That' s why we put
aside the one who will tell society and love those children. Now yes,
I keep learning, because every day you learn and every time I love that
opening for these children is more and more. I have Isabelita who is in
high school or in Miruschool, as they call her here, in the United
States, and every time she comes and tells me or your little friend.
Not that she' s not a friend, she' s a friend.
Okay. And how do I have to go? And I ask the truth,
how do I tell him, how do I refer to him, then
ask him if he gives me the freedom to ask him and ask him and
if I don' t tell him well, you tell me, then how
do you see her mom. If you see her boy tell her boys and
you see her girl tell her girl, then there she goes or we don
' t keep learning. I love it because this generation loves him. Many
generations tell them the Crystal generation and I' m shocked to be told the
Crystal generation. They' re not Crystal. They' re stronger than we
are because they' re daring to say what they didn' t dare tell
you before, you' re absolutely right, but that' s also the
end of respect. Of course if you identify with the woman and you'
re already this cinse chaning you who is woman and bully are she ok and
read she' s respect at the end of the day. It' s
the most basic thing. Respect how your problems are identified. All that,
yes, is respect. Now it has become much more than a bit complicated,
because, for example, there is one my child tells me. There
' s someone who identifies himself as something. That' s already more complicated.
Yeah, so, right now, it' s the property that I
come back to and I repeat to you, now is a generation that has
the freedom that we, mentally, didn' t have of ok you identify
how it dries this day, what it has, how it dictates you,
how it affects the world. If I explain, we don' t have
to start thinking differently, open our minds I' m going to talk to
you about something. When I came here to this area, to that of
San Francisco, I came from the city of Juarez and came from the pass,
came from a community like Chiquitita, where men are men, women are
women, where the majority did not generalize, they were Catholics. When I
get here and I realize there' s an opening and I' m going
to talk about a subject that shouldn' t be talked about, but religion
ay gee, there' s this, there' s another one here,
there, there. I' m not going to educate my children in Catholicism.
It would be very selfish of me to close them here when there'
s an opening up here. I will give you the sacraments that you taught
me above your human rights, because I baptized you without asking and I confirmed
them without asking. They made the first communion and confirmation already made him strong,
because that' s what they taught me. But I didn' t
want them. I didn' t force them to go to Mass, don
' t force them why, because I wanted to give them the freedom that
if they wanted to marry a Mormon, for example, or with a Buddhist,
for example, they had that clear line, so, that' s
the way the world is. Right now, I set that example, but
that' s it. We can' t lock our children in closets and
here it goes no more is in sexuality, it' s in religions in
politics, it' s in culture. We can' t lock them up
We have to give them the freedom to be them. I love it perfect.
Joaquin, you had more comments than there were on social media. There
are many more, but I' ll tell you ton more to see one
said is so maternal that to feel your son guilty. It' s not
that the question there isn' t for me, it' s for you
I' ve asked you not anymore. I think the ignorance of when Joaquin
came out maybe yes and it wasn' t no. I don' t
think I ever made him feel guilty, but it was my fault, that
is, the questions I was asking him. It was. Where did I
go wrong? No, where did you go wrong? Where I was wrong
that I made you like this, because I did feel that I had done
it like this. Now I realized I didn' t. That' s
how my pimp was born. There' s genes in there, and I
know it' s good, there' s the last one. Mothers are
the first to know what gays are, the last to accept them. I
think it' s true there. Uh, I say that also the mothers
of my generation do, I think they have a more open generation, more
educated, because now, with all the technology that is given to the Internet,
it is no longer so easy to remain in ignorance. In my case,
my mom was the last to accept it into my family, which is
very small, but my grandmother said she already knew and barely found out.
I said ah, yes, I already knew how wonderful, but my mom
was like that it cost her, as mat cost her a little more,
but then she accepted it, right, but at first it did cost her
more. It' s just that we' re Latin moms. And I
think I don' t know, I don' t know your mom,
I don' t have the taste, but I almost think your mom'
s concern was the same as mine. I mean, it got out of
hand. I can' t take care of him. Everything you say,
everything you see, the attacks there are, that' s what I said,
that also expectations there are. He has a decision that my son was
going to have a family, that he was going to have a wife and
he was going to have his house and he was going to marry in the
Catholic Church you had all those expectations and when he said" hey" or
" hey," that was already clear. Yeah, probably. Probably.
But now I' m happy. Happy to see Joaquin Happy makes me happy.
This one has a wonderful couple, a very educated man. I learn
from that man who came into my life and I see my happy son what
else you can ask him for as a bad life. I see my prosperous
son I see my happy son and I loved it. Full, I love
good, star. Thank you so much for having been here today with us
dust to see and for being one of our first interviewees in this new season.
Of course we had to have you here with us and when there are
more comments, nothing happens to all your fans and all your haters. I
want to tell you that the star here, Huelbeck, we have her here,
Cerquita, comes a little closer and talks to us again. Of course,
it does as many times as it takes, if you don' t
stop watching these guys' podcasts, because now it' s coming more and
better. So, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you
ps soon. So ah so at dinner bye good night, well, well.
Our next guest is Gerry Rakek, a friend of deliveries who is also
gay and Guatemalan. We really love that you' re here, Gerry,
because we have a fantastic theme for you, Uy. But before we get
into it, we have two questions for you. Okay Dale, I'
m gonna ask one and he' s gonna ask another. Get ready to
see the first time what dating app you use or what you use right now
would be grinder ok henger and jan. But there are others that have been
used as kehubent Ok and I have never used that ok is another had mind
snie did ofthimits bagle oh how. I don' t know if the app
was like webside maybe, but I do that' s okay rapa wey that
was the only one, because it' s I think you only got like
three or six a day, three a day uf everything you have to be
very selective, wow, but it' s also like tinder, that you
spend swiping or almost as chandlerbor because you have to choose them basically if you
just had to do from where you did, you had to be very selective
WEY because if you got your mari, they don' t pick you,
then you just stay talking about just what Coffyn' s called vigo caffinits pay,
but it still exists. He hasn' t opened it, because okhupe
I know that a friend strail uses it and likes it and out there gets
a boyfriend. He doesn' t use finger chando ah but there you got
your husband and there I got my boyfriend. If they' re looking for
something serious, I' d recommend it. Don' t pay. I
don' t pay, yes, but expensive. I paid for it once
and said but for what. If you don' t give me much,
I have to pay the other one more expensive to have more, like features.
Yeah no, I wasn' t going to pay s hing no.
You love me horrible paybacks and I like to have blacks like blogs ah to
block before. It' s good. It has the ats aha and you
have limit of ten per day The BLOCGS. I mean, I' m
sorry for what you do if you' re too close to my Black b
because I' m not gonna be interested. I don' t like having
someone near Dao. I thought you were doing it for geolocation, because I
remember that in Grinder, when you paid, I never got to pay.
But if they want the pictures, it' s that when you have to
when you pay, you have geo localization, like they open up the map.
I think that' s for everyone, but you have a permit of
which profiles you can open drager or block those who are sanquitas the point of
big gigs. But he doesn' t like it. But if I don
' t like them, obviously I' m not going to ok the next
question, because we' re going to talk more about it. The next
question is whether you have joined the Gron sports group or whether you have any
kind of relationship as well as sports clubs as well as people k or different.
I' m two eleven years old. I joined the tenes Gel thef
Y, but recently I joined the Ultimate Three bey ok and they' re
from groups that yes, ah how well they' re both very specific here
in San Francisco, well gay, well gas. I hadn' t really
heard this in any other city. I do not know whether in Europe,
for our friends who listen to us from Spain, we should be left with
comments. When I was living in Madrid, no one did a lie app.
There was a gay football group and a rugby group. Now that I
remember, yes, and they were like super famous because they were promoting them
to Prie and everything I remember. I don' t know if there was.
Other cities have yes, if there was yes, I have in the
contributions of two bup in Los Angeles. No, but no longer lasted a
season of saying no. No. It' s not for me, but
well, I don' t know about that, because it turns out there
' s a new trend, especially in jense I found love or at least
a hookup in sports clubs. I didn' t know that and this is
coming out in New Yok Times of Acture something like that and in The New
York Times I had an article about this and more recently I also saw it
in Pop Shuar. They made an article in which they were interviewing people in
Los Angeles, also people in Washington DC and in New York and gave their
experience in sports clubs, especially running clubs, where people went because they liked
it very much because they had the opportunity to meet a person to see how
it developed in the group. You can sit down and talk without any commitment.
Not like apps, right, because when you' re on an app,
it' s or I know you because I' m sexually interested.
Or I know you because I want to have something with you beyond. Not
normally in apps, like they don' t lend much as a woman to
ay I want to be your friend. No, I mean, people aren
' t in Grinder to be a. You can correct me if I'
m wrong. People aren' t in Grinder to be friends point and if
they don' t like it, they leave me a comment, but I
agree. But, well, that was another topic. I always say Grinder
is what you want exaxactly. Okay, my only ex- ex I'
ve met from Grinder and we were friends for a year and a half before
we did anything. So, they actually went or met at Grinder and were
pure friends, friends. Yeah, after photos were exchanged, yeah, no,
yeah, yeah, we met, we didn' t meet. Once
there, I didn' t have much attraction. Oh, he gives you
the vike. There are some that give you the vipe of what there is.
No. I don' t like ga or quo that way, but
I had no intention of being your friend. They said we had good pla,
but nothing else. I' m called Chingan I met him at Grander
and we met and he was friends' connection. It wasn' t a
romantic or ap- hock connection or something. They were friends, no more,
but they talked about it. They told him that' s what it
was like I said it was mutual that that' s how things happened and
like we don' t ask each other what' s going on, we
don' t take it from me. What' s going on is that
we' re good at each other' s subject. I do, there
' s a person, that' s me, when I' ve used
Green Grinder before, it' s been for not looking for friends. It
' s because there' s wanna hookup, I want a hookup, or
because I want to meet someone because I' m attracted I' ve never
been at another point. It' s Grinder is what you want, this
is what you want to bring from that app. I' ve been reading
the REDDI. All that I was reading in King and when I was preparing
this podcast and people were just complaining that I couldn' t get people to
talk in Grinder that they wanted, they were clearly putting their profile. I
' m not looking for a hoo ob. I' m looking to meet
people, make friends, talk, and then you see what happens. But
those people never got messages because big people were more interested in something else.
In fact, the apps themselves are encouraging you to do that. I'
ve been reading too and Grinder and I think it' s also Craft have
a time when they tell you it' s crazy time or it' s
the time when we have more people connected. Ten of Saturday night. Everyone
is looking for a hookp because you don' t pay five extra dollars and
we literally promote your profile if you pay us five dollars to have a Soon
Ok Surrey Surrey Gary hook. But it' s clear no, because now
I see who paid for it wasn' t free with the subscription before and
then they started charging it. Yeah, because everyone wanted it, but who
' s going to pay ten hours cs OK and this brings us the question
of what motivated you to join these sports clubs. It was basically because the
apps didn' t fill you. Or it was another interest. I think
it' s like one is that I wanted to have sports hobbies always in
interest, if I wanted to be a hobby, but it was also a
way to get to know more organic people. Yeah, without that, like
that pressure to do something specific, that wet Nne. But free Bey was
a friend who always went as he tried and I said Ok let' s
try and you have had the experience of meeting someone there in Freesby in tennis
that interests you for little and s but the dog. Or not, because
it depends. I think it' s more dependent on the connection, because
just like my team I have of Freesby flat out, well, not on
my team there' s none that interests me. Okay, not like that,
but give him this podcast in case anyone has a question. It already
separates ah, but from other teams yes, it just depends on what that
is like as a dynamic. No, OK, and yes it' s
how I' m going to throw them to see what and if you'
ve met people who have, who have met on the team and have done
something, they' re hookups couple or something if it happens, if it
happens, they' ve heard at least one, I think, but I
don' t know how common it would be. I think it' s
like everyone else, because many days come with a couple. Ah I thought
here thinking that people or to look to leave these clubs. No, but
I spent it being the article. You did read us both. It'
s just that people, the jens seus are no longer using Raff Grinder.
It' s hard what you want for the game, cap to go to
jags and all that is getting into sports teams to find the love of your
life, to go get whatever you want instead of being on the app.
But because they also like that hobby, because if it' s not more
work, it' s good to go to play, to do a sport
and for what, maybe to meet someone. Yeah, that' s why
a lot of people are functional once and then they leave it if they don
' t like anyone, but they do, too, I mean think you
' re going to the cool sport, or it' s your team but
you' re playing with other teams. What' s up? On account,
that' s good that the record he liked from other teams or from
teams there more, because it' s like two hundred and more gas.
Now I have more questions for you single. I' m single, okay,
better. Questions or not are more related to where you think you would
get a more organic relationship now that you move on different worlds, you have
no friends, you have friends who are from the sports club and then you
have the experience with apps. What do you think is the best combination,
the best formula for someone who' s casually single who' s looking to
meet someone, because if his loss wasn' t letting go, because I
think it' s pure to me it' s lucky, because I'
ve met him a lot of people for apps I think he' d never
met. If it hadn' t been for applications, we' d never
have crossed handles. And more, it would be better to meet someone in
person because it' s more organic You can immediately see how it' s
sparks, yeah, what' s that chemistry or how you speak the net.
I don' t know why because I, if I was in people
like that I' m more embarrassed in person and I' m a little
more aggressive when the apps were. I mean, I don' t think
I' m more confident about throwing that dog behind him than you' re
physically not there. You also have that a wall from where you can still
like because I have longed to show the reaction that good the reaction of rejection
rejection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This happened to me once I'
m doing fine in person. I think I can read people a little bit.
In fact, that' s why I' m so good at CARSC
Games Himanity. I always do super well in that game because you read people
and you have answers to put in so that they choose mine. But I
think it' s a non- social skill. And the thing is,
I do know how to play a little bit when someone likes it. But
once I was in a club many years ago and I remember that I thought
I read all the signals correctly and I wasn' t even drunk and I
was rejected as a toano. After we have like all night flirting like I
interpret the signals more or the chao maybe, I think the boy maybe mind
I already think what happened is that, maybe, he also met another the
same moment and already, because he said to. Well, ahob, I
' m going with bo and I' m just like there' s a
bad interpretation. I think that' s what I really understood most as new.
But since you' ve got to be real quick, you' re
being made fun of right away, someone else' s gonna come and take
it away from you. Oh, don' t go. I already knew
this. One hundred percent with me. I don' t want 100%.
I didn' t, because I already knew this when I moved to
San Francisco. This didn' t happen to me when I lived in Madrid,
but when I moved to San Francisco, I realized that if you weren
' t abused, you stay alone because I remember being in one in a
bar, in a club, I don' t remember if it was bo
or where, and I remember getting on with this guy, but the truth
is it was super. I was single and I was flirting with this guy
and I was super slow I did like him, well, but I didn
' t understand his signals. I think maybe he was a little bit shire,
a little shy, and then there came another one more abused and the
other, like he went to get a drink, he took a long time
later like he didn' t give me, it wasn' t clear to
me if he was really interested in me. I said, well, bye,
and I stayed with the other one talking, I don' t know
what and I went out with the other one and then the guy said ay,
because I was. I, yes, I was watching over you,
but you went with someone else and I, because you didn' t see
me at the signs. It' s not my fault. You got you
Huph Tom of Faster. You have to move fast, not wow. You
have to meet someone and see we have to do an experiment with those who
don' t, because I already saw him the other day well abused in
the bar. I saw him the other day well abused at the bar and
he did well. There, you know, it didn' t go well,
well, it was tea, it went well for a while. I
then already and then I don' t know what happened very often, because
for me I know if you know what I' m talking about. No,
I am or I am not crazy, I never do it I was
dancing like this and then I turn around and some bastard is pushing me and
turning me around and it' s what I had done, well but I
thought super good, super natural super it wasn' t yes, because he
came to me then I could go to someone, but I don' t
like to do it. You see, when I do, it doesn'
t go to anything. He came with me and then we talked, but
he was, I think, on drugs, because in the end he was
kind of confused about something He' s, like, confusing me there I
lost interest there because I said it doesn' t make sense and he tells
him you want to go grab one once, but before that he had told
me he had gone to the bathroom and took a while and I think he
was doing drugs. I knew you did drugs. He gave him no.
Then you want a drink. Or that I said yes. We saw the
board and he asks me it' s you, not my turn to pay.
We just got to know what' s up. So I don'
t know if I was getting confused with anyone. I wasn' t out
of touch. I think that, because I didn' t want to pay,
I didn' t want to pay, but that' s not the
way to do it. So, you' re going to offer me so
you ask me wey then he ordered it and he only ordered it for him.
And after that aha turns me right, I know oh, you wanted
something I said to him in English. I' m not okay. I
' m asking you what you want to be. I' ll go with
my friends bye to that point that' s why not. No, I
don' t quite agree. I kissed him well, I didn' t
kiss well, but I did not. I didn' t like me and
I didn' t like you that much either. Yeah. I was good
at it, but no, handsome is the sale. I didn' t
see his face. I knew it was like that. I didn' t
see him dancing then I didn' t see you doing that. I had
a dance myself, but it' s okay. Me. That' s
not my routine. It' s not from me I don' t like,
you don' t like, I don' t like to kiss,
it' s kind of weird. I don' t believe many people that
you don' t like to kiss in public places, or you don'
t like to kiss in general in general, but if I do, it
' s because it' s someone I like, although when I do it
in public it' s pretty weird, right, because I just met that
I don' t also drink a factor I did that, yeah, well,
there are some benefits. I believe and I love that you have told
this experience, Garry, because that also makes it clear to us what real
- life interactions are like. This person didn' t know her at all,
you met her at the time and this is what happened. It'
s no longer a perfect example of how that is. I think an effect,
a more perfect example of what normal society is like when you' re
not in an app or when you' re not in a club where I
think it' s a little bit more direct than an app, because you
avoid the top smoll. You don' t have to be someone. If
you don' t want to because there' s a group, no,
then it' s not like when you have a writer date. You need
to talk to that person because they' re already sitting there, both of
them, in a restaurant one by one. And then you also eliminate the
pressure because you' re not going to meet a person you' re going
to team up. You can talk to anyone and then decide whether you like
someone or not, and above all, you can observe the behavior of people
and the person that attracts you at that time and then decide whether or not
you want to throw yourself. When you' re in grinder, in an
app. It' s more like good I' ll see what this person
is like or when you' re in real life, you know the person
beginning, all right, you look pretty, but then, well, a
clear jerk, but I' d say good, not so much to meet
someone. I' d say you have to go to those types of sports
with gay people, community building, güey. I think it' s nice.
Yeah, I think it' s pretty. Frisbey is very social.
So it' s been like a new experience because they' re very everyone,
they' re very friendly. You' ve got it, I think
parts aren' t so social, and they' re all more social,
but they' re not older, yes, and then no more. I
don' t think they can play that. At the same time, no,
no, but there are times they do as a double social who is
about twenty thirty people who are like rotating couples, then he is a social,
but he is not that chido, but he is emittergeal permitrgy but Fresbieys
more social because they do events outside of the Games ah ok Ok, because
if they do not have sports in their country, city or country city where
they live, you do, well, that is a very important thing.
Sometimes we' re also waiting for someone to do something for us. It
' s like I' m trying to get more content creators who spoke in
Spanish at Baria and it' s like, if there isn' t a
group, then I think so and see who one you' re now invited
to, I already have two b ya well, what do you say,
that' s the most embarrassing moment you' ve ever gone through on a
date to ok already good. Let' s do an introduction to this ay
sorry quick questions for the gay shift fuck up, but well, which questions
one ask for the gay shift? What would you say is the most embarrassing
moment you' ve ever spent on a date. Oh, I can'
t think of any mm. They' re not fast, oh, I
can' t think of one you farted. It' s a güey date
that happens. It' s natural. We already know what happens to her
here that date. I can' t think of anything. Okay. Well,
Joaquin, I' ve farted I' m not mad I saw there
in front of everyone And I don' t know anything either They' re
güey. I was wrong. I think I was very nervous and threw a
drink. Ah, but it' s not that bad. There' s
a glass of red wine. Well, it didn' t fall on us,
we fell on the ground. But or, but, yeah, he
' s super nervous. That was many years ago, but yes, I
was very nervous. And then the boy was my boyfriend and it was the
first time this worked out well, better, it' s not like who
' s gonna tell you something for that good, but you base it,
yeah. Okay. The second question is if you have a crush brain and
who' s ah right now, I don' t know if someone new,
but cown nail when you' re nothing else. You saw it at
home in the new series, this at the Tears Stations, already, but
it looks good we watts that' s my favor, no, already,
well, I was super holl There, then, now it' s in
the new shugar series of Apple TV Plus. It' s good. And
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thousand three or two thousand three. Yeah, oh, my God, no,
no, no tot Max sv Iguil, but it' s already more
fixed. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Everyone with their own thing
is yes. Grie. Thank you for being with us on the podcast today
and being part of the first episode of the new season. We will bring
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