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Hey Graves, thanks so much for
joining us this week for another episode of

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Great Girls Podcast. As always,
it's me your host Hawthorne and me your

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favorite host, Amarellists. We are
doing the movie The Ruins. It's older

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movie, so if you haven't heard
of it, it's okay. I actually

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have never met someone besides my own
sister Amarellists who've watched it. Hey Graves,

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By the way, while recording this, it was really early. It

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was like six am. We'd just
woken up after Hawthorne's kid was up all

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night with a fever, and I
had just worked seven days in a row,

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like retired. So during the movie
until about halfway through, we accidentally

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switched the names of the two male
characters. So every time we say Eric,

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we met Jeff, and every time
we Jeff, we met Eric,

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until about halfway through, when we
will correct ourselves and start going by the

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correct names. Yes, we do
have it announced in the episode. When

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we do realize the mistake, we
do apologize, but we hope you enjoyed

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the episode anyways, tell them what
you think about the movie and then we'll

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get into it. I think it's
pretty dope. I really liked it.

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The first time I saw it,
there was some moments I'm like, I

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remember that part and we'll get to
those. Of course. Rewatching it,

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it's not as scary as when I
first saw it. It's cringey, but

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not in like a oh that's cringe. It's cringey because like, you see

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some glory shit and I'm just like, I do think that it's really realistically

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done. Oh yeah, all that
shit could happen. The characters in the

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movie, they really like get into
their role. So one of the characters

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is a med student. He's trying
to take control of situation. I'm responsible,

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I'm the med student. Blah blah
blah. His friends like the happy

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go lucky type where it's like,
dude, like, we just gotta see

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what happens, like waited out a
little bit, don't act so irrational.

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There's like the hippie, which is
the one she just said. There's the

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like med student who's supposed to be
like responsible moment. Yeah, there's the

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like nerdy girl who just wants to
take pictures of everything and like, oh

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my god, I'm scared. I'm
scared to do this and I don't want

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to do anything. Oh my god. She was so annoying with that camera,

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but she's like secretly a hoe.
She's kind of a hoe. And

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then there's the blonde, who is
just kind of token blonde, dumb and

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crazy. That's her character. We're
not saying that about blondes. I'm married

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to a blonde. I just died
my hand, blond. Oh. And

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then there's also a really hot German
man. Yes, there is a very

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hot German guy. I don't know
if he's German in real life, but

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he's still hot his fucking real life. Love him, all right. So

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now we're gonna get in the movie
The Ruins and start this awesome episode.

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Here we go. WHOA, that's
good. The Ruins is a horror movie

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about four friends who go on a
trip to Mexico and meet a German dude

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named Matthias. He tells them about
some ancient ruins his brother has discovered,

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and he invites them to explore the
ruins. Once they're the locals attack them,

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forcing the group to seek refuge on
the ancient ruins, where they discover

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that once you touch these ruins,
your life is ruined. If it's not

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puns, it's not us. So
I'll hope you enjoyed that little one again.

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We're gonna go over the characters in
case you just didn't catch it or

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something. But there's Amy, the
camera photographer girl. There's her boyfriend Eric,

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the med student, and then the
blonde girl's name is Stacy. Her

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mom is probably hot. Stacy's mom
has got a colina, and her boyfriend

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Jeff, who's the hippie. And
then Matthias is the German dude. So

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those are all the characters. If
someone invites you to go explore ancient abandoned

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ruins, no one knows and isn't
on any map, don't go, Yeah,

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I please, or like bring a
satellite phone. Make sure everyone knows

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where you're going. Everyone brings SA
tell the cops if I don't come back

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in three days. This is exactly
the coordinates I'm going to. Please send

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a huge search party. Be smart
about it, please, or like leave

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a note. It takes twenty seconds
to make a phone call. That's all

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I'm saying. That kind of links
with my meta. Later in the episode,

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the beginning of the movie is born
like you honestly turn it on and

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not watch it for like thirty minutes. Yeah, you see her cheat on

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the med student Eric. Everyone knows
but him. But but Tyas is a

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good guy. He doesn't let it
go that far. Like she tries to

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kiss him and stuff, and he's
like, whoa, what are you doing.

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I'm going home. That's what happens. And she would have she would

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have yeah, just like fucked him
on the beach. Yeah all day.

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Yeah, she was ready. She
tells her best friend Stacy's She's like,

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oh, don't tell him please,
they don't want him get mad. She's

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like, what you fucking did it? Yeah, She's like, that's your

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fault, which, like, I
am totally not that person. Like,

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if one of my friends is unhappy
in their relationship and they want to cheat,

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just break up with the person first. I just hate as a principle

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of my own life. I don't
understand the point of cheating. If you

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guys are doing shit, you could
have there's open relationships, there's like other

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ways to do it. You don't
have to be shady. If there is

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something that happens, my accident,
you don't lie about it and you tell

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your friends. Don't don't tell him, don't tell him to tell him,

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No, you tell him, I'm
sorry, I got really drunk. Yesterday

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again tried to kiss Mattias. Da
da da da. But to me,

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she wasn't happy with him because you
find out he's going to med school like

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across the country. Didn't seem like
she was going with him, which also

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doesn't work. Please, don't follow
your high school sweetheart to college. Be

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your own fucking person, live your
own life. High school with high school

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and now we're onto the real world. Hey, I will tell you,

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guys, my high school crush hit
me up a few years ago. I

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went down to Vegas to see him
after like talking on the phone, skyping

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everything for over a year, confessing
feelings, and then I go down there.

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It's just just kidding, Like high
school means fucking nothing, guys.

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Yeah, and I'm not knocking people
who marry their high school sweethearts. Hawthorn

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married her like elementary school high schools
we are and I guess yeah, so

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it's not a bad thing. But
if someone's like, oh, I'm gonna

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move acroast the country because this is
more important to meet, let them live

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their life. If it's meant to
be, you guys will meet again in

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life. That's the cool thing about
life. Yes, that's why me and

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my husband work out. I liked
him since I was eight, but he

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dated other chicks. I dated other
guys. We were friends the whole time.

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Eight years later he realizes, huh, maybe I have been with the

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wrong bitch and I do like Hawthorne, and now we're married. You know,

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we've been together twelve years. Yeah, life will bring you together with

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the one. It literally is,
if you love them, let them go

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and see if they come back.
Then it's like to be here. However,

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the saying is that I'm butchering.
But yeah, so that's what happens.

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That's all you miss in the beginning. So if you just want to

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like skip the chapter, do like
twice, you'll be fine. So Matthias,

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he hand draws a map of the
map where his brother is, which

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also I'm like, wouldn't the scale
be off? Like that scares me?

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How do they even know where they're
going? They don't. The whole thing

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made me uncomfortable. I wouldn't have
done any of that. Even the cab

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driver is like, don't go here. That place is bad. The place

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is haunted, and they're like,
um, here's money. Though he's like,

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oh okay, you guys are gonna
die. Anyways, that's just another

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sign if the locals are telling you
do not go there. White people don't

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do it. Oh. Also,
when the cab driver drops them off and

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then just leaves, and they're like, how are we supposed to contact him?

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The guy knows you're not coming back, you don't need to contact them.

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So they go through the jungle in
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When they finally get to the river
where the path should be, it is

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actually covered up with palm fronds.
Literally, the locals are even hiding it

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from people because stupid tourists. People
keep going to these ruins even though everyone

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is saying no, it's bad newsbearers
stop going. They just can't can't get

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it in their head. They think
like, oh, they don't want us

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to find the treasure. The treasure
is your life that you're gonna keep when

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you don't go. Okay, So
they see these little kids right before they

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go onto the path, and the
kids run away from them quick like.

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They go to warn their parents,
like, h more tourists are coming.

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Let's get our guns and our bow
and arrows. Fucking fucking gentlem alone Amy,

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I'm just gonna call her gentlem alone. She is taking pictures of these

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kids. I mean, not like
a creepy way, but like, don't

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keep pictures of random kids when obviously
you're not welcome there. They move the

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leaves out of the way, which
it should be a huge red flag if

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they're trying to cover it, saying, and one of them brings that up

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too, and they're like, oh, no, no, no, it's

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fine, it's fine. He's like, it was probably my brother trying to

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hide it so no one else would
discover the ruins before him. If that

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was me and I had discovered the
ruins and I told you about it and

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you saw it covered, that would
be your first sign to not come.

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You'd be like, she wouldn't cover
this. If anything, I would like

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write my name on a tree to
be like, come this way. So

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it just seemed I don't know why
he even went, but anyway, they

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get to the ruins and tell them
what happens. They get to the ruins

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and they're like starting to kind of
go up to it, up to the

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ruins and these locals. He's like, I want to say there were Mayans

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somewhere. It'said Mayans, I swear, But so these people. No,

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it didn't. You're right, because
they don't speak Spanish. They speak like

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Mayan. Yeah, even though yes, they were in Mexico, the civilization.

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The locals near these ruins, they
don't speak Spanish, they speak or

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something like ancient yes, protecting this
from the world type of thing. Three

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of them come up and they start
yelling at him, like screaming, like,

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and the tortoise subgroup is terrified.
They're like, what's happening, what's

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happening. We're not doing anything,
We're just looking for my brother. One

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of their friends named Dmitri goes up
behind them and it's like, this is

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who we're looking for. Here's a
picture on the phone. But like waving

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something and someone's face who doesn't speak
your language is not a smart thing.

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And he gets dropping in this chest
with an arrow. Yeah, they instantly

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kill him. He got too closed. They don't give a fuck why you're

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here dead. It shows it very
subtly. They're walking inside the plants,

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but the whole time they're dealing with
the locals screaming at them, pointing balls

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and arrows, pointing guns in their
faces. Amy's taking pictures of them,

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which is so rude. Bitch put
the camera down. Obviously. The children

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ran to the village and was like, hey, Dad, there's a woman

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taking my photo. Please go yell
at her. And then now she's like

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pointing her camera in their face two
and I was just like, what are

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you doing? She makes you mad. She's the whiniest little fucking bitch in

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this movie. Yeah. Sorry,
My least favorite character is always when she

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like cries in the plants and she
gets and throws up the little fucking baby.

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Why would you do that? Later? But yes, So the locals

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come, they shoot Matthias's friend.
They force them up into the ruins,

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and these ruins are covered and these
beautiful looking green plants is yeah, little

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yellow insides like their beautiful flowers.
And they're forced all the way up to

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the top, and up there they
see the tents of Matthias's brother they find,

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you know, like their little fire
pit where they must have been.

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And all that's on top of these
ruins is like a police system with obviously

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a decrepit ass piece of rope.
If I didn't see someone who I went

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to meet there, I would be
worried. At first, were like,

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oh, maybe they're inside the ruins. It's just like a hollow thing of

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stone. If I yelled in there, you should be able to hear me

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right away. Matthias wants to find
his brother. He's worried his stuff is

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there, but he's not there.
So he puts himself on the rope and

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pulley system and he's like, guys, lower me down, which to me

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was not smart. You should always
test the rope, make sure it's okay,

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maybe even like tie some knots in
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He wasn't thinking. He just wanted
to check on his brother, so he

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holds onto the rope. The two
men, Eric and Jeff start lowering Matthias

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down, and I don't know,
a third of the way down, the

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rope snaps. He falls sixty to
one hundred feet down, flat on his

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back, and we're pretty sure he
broke his back and his legs. He's

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really really messed up. Right after
that, they tells Stacy that she has

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to go down because Amy won't do
it. She's crying. She's like,

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I'm too scared, And this was
the only time that I did agree with

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her. If I just saw someone
fall to their death, basically, I'm

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not going in the hole after him. I'm not. Stacy goes, and

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since the rope broke, she was
about twenty feet from the bottom, which

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is still a long way to fall, especially onto solid rock. I probably

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would have tried to land on Massias's
body if it was me. He's already

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dead. I'm sorry, he's already
gonna die. They're in the middle of

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nowhere. These people still use bone
arrows. There's no hospitals. I get

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it. If you've never jumped off
of like fifteen twenty feet, be smart

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about it. It's not very hard
to figure out how to Like, hey,

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maybe I shouldn't land like this,
and then I'm gonna fall and then

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I'll get hurt. I was thinking
she should have shimmed her way down until

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she was at the very basically holding
her hands only on the rope but lowering

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most of her body, because depending
on your height, you actually can make

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it about a fifteen footfall instead of
a twenty foot Like I'm a short person,

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and I even thought of that same
Stacy jumps from the rope, just

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jumps. I think she was just
panicking, and she injures one of her

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legs like a pretty good bad cut. She goes up to Matthias and she's

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like, oh god, oh god, oh god, he's dead. He's

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dead, you guys. And he's
like she's like, fuck, he's not

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dead, you guys, He's not
dead. What do I do? I'm

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a hurt now. I can't get
him up? What the fuck do I

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do? And both of the guys
look at Jenna and Malone and they're like,

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hey, so you, uh gotta
get down there too, and she's

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like, oh no, I can. It's this game. They're like,

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two of your friends are about to
die. Yeah, and you have both

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of us, and don't worry.
We reinforced the rope with the fucking tent

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so it could be fine. So
they make him a stretcher so that the

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two girls can lift Matthias and put
him on the stretcher. The two men

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can hould him up and hopefully help
him because Eric is a med student.

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Oh my god, though, So
they make the stretcher down below. It

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won't go all the way down to
the bottom, so they have to lift

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up. Yeah, it's still about
six feet off the ground. They have

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to lift up this broken man.
And do they bend him? Oh my

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god? They like, oh my
fuck. When they lift him up and

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you just hear that, Yeah,
and he's just screaming. It's like they

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fucked up his back, you know, when already got chattered, they just

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bent it some more. His legs
are fucked up. And then when they

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have him and he kind of like
fold in between them and is screaming,

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They're just like, get him up, get him up. It doesn't matter,

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it doesn't matter, just do it. Just do it, because it

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would have been way worse to just
let him down and try it again.

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Like at that point, you kind
of have to you have to just get

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him on there. Yeah, we
kind of accidentally skipped it already, but

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it's okay. It's a very important
part of the movie, which happens a

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bunch. The reason Matthias went down
there in the first place was he heard

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his brother's phone ringing. Oh it
was like a little bry It wasn't like

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a song or anything, but he
knew it was like strange enough of a

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ringtone to be his brothers, which
I do agree, it wasn't your traditional

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ring ring cell phone at the time. What was this movie in two thousand

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and six or something even then,
Like he saw his brother campsite all of

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his stuff. If you hear a
phone going off, you're gonna be like,

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oh shit, they have to be
down there somewhere. Him and his

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friends have to be nearby. Yeah, So that's why Matthias jumped to the

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chance to go get his brother without
thinking about the stability of the rope.

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His brother's phone is on there,
maybe he's trapped down there. He doesn't

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know. They were even telling Matthias
like, how come you don't just call

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your brother, and he's like,
oh, when the locals were forcing us

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up the mountain, they took my
backpack, and in my backpack was my

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sat phone. But now we're to
present part of the movie. Matthias is

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at the top of the ruins.
Now he's a lot worse than Eric thought.

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He thought maybe he just had a
broken back, but both of his

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legs are broken bonus protruding through the
skin. He really can't move, and

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they all realize they don't have enough
food, water, or supplies to even

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make it like a day or two. And that's when Eric decides I'm in

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charge, and him and Jeff kind
of start this like squabbling, which that's

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not going to help anyone. This
is one of those situations where if someone

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asserts themselves as a leader, just
go with it. It kind of seemed

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like Jeff was being sassy on purpose
just to annoy him. When they get

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Matthias out of the ruins, Amy
and Jeff they run down and they're like,

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please help, please help. Our
friend is hurt. And they see

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that the Mayans have all of their
like able bodied young men around the ruins

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to guard it. They will not
let these tourists off of the ruins.

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And she's like, please help.
They're pointing guns at them again, shouting

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like get back up there, bursting
them back up on the mountain, and

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she's being hysterics. She's super distraught
and she's just screaming, why won't you

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help us? What have we done? Why won't you help us? And

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she's like fall, you know,
when you're so upsetting, you like fall

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to the ground on your knees.
I've probably never done that. I'm not

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very dramatic in that way, but
I see women do it a lot in

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movies. Oh I have I have
woops. I get really bad anger.

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I get so angry, but like
emotional that way. No, sometimes I

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get so angry I have to fall
on the floor and just kind of like,

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oh, yeah, I feel like
punch shit for sure. He kind

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of falls into a pile of the
vines the plants, and she grabs a

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clump and she throws it at them, and it hits a little like six

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year old boy, a very young
child. Yes, he's a little baby,

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and he starts screaming. He's like
no, no, no, and

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his mom comes up and it's like, please don't, please tell his life.

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The guys are screaming, they're screaming, and they just fucking shoot him.

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They shoot the little tiny baby.
They kill him right there, and

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that's their own child, one of
their people. They know, Oh that's

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little Charlie. He always ate bread
or I don't know that means that,

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like obviously they don't care who you
are. You're you're staying there. You're

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going to die. So that's when
they kind of say, like, huh,

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it has to do with these plants, not necessarily the ruins. A

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little later they say that because after
they're watching, like the mom crying,

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it becomes nighttime and they're like watching
everyone. They camped around the ruins to

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make sure they can't leave. The
mom is crying. They start salting the

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body and salted the body, and
they're salting the ground around it so the

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plants can't grow. And then that's
when they go there's something. There's something.

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It's not the ruins. It has
to be these fucking things. It's

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not that it's like haunted, it's
these vines or whatever. They go to

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sleep that night. They wake up
in the morning and they wake up to

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Stacy's screaming. They don't know what's
wrong. They check and there is a

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vine inside the wound, literally in
her leg, up her leg, like

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in there, and they pull it
out so fucking gross. I was disgusting.

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They go over to Matthias and he
is like covered in the vines all

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over him. They rip it all
off. It's really scary because obviously he

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can't feel much. Yeah, Matthias, but he goes, something's wrong,

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something's wrong, Please help me,
and they take off the blanket and then

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they see it and he can't like
sit up and see yeah, and their

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faces have the look of shock and
fear, like, holy shit, there

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are plants growing inside your fucking body. But they don't want to tell him

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that because it's already bad. And
he's like, what is it? And

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fucking Stacy has the one in her
leg from her wound, and they have

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to rip that should and that has
done so well it hurts me to watch,

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like the blood. So while all
this is going on, the cell

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phone rings again. And this is
my favorite part of the movie, because

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they've already been down there, Stacey
and Amy, and since they had the

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backstretcher made, they both can ride
down now and it's not too all far

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off the ground, and they have
torches that they made, and they go

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down there and they start to try
to search for the cell phone because the

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ringing is getting louder and they're following
it, and there's a room. There's

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actually a little room off of the
main corridor in these ruins, and it's

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a very vine covered room that would
scare me to even just look into,

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let alone crawl through, but they
do it. They go through, and

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the ringing it sounds like it's right
there, So they reach through the vines

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and they find the phone. But
attached to the phone is a skeleton,

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and it must be it must be
his brother, right, Matthias's brother.

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It has to be. I don't
know if they specify it, but it

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has to be. And when they
grab the phone. It is a shattered

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phone. There's no way this thing
could be ringing, and are puzzled.

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They're like, how is it ringing
if the phone is broken. Amy starts

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to look around and she notices that
the ringing sound is not made from a

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cell phone. But the plants are
so evolved in these ancient ruins that they

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can mimic sounds to lure in their
prey, and they heard his phone ringing,

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and that is how they know it'll
call other humans, which is fucking

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evil man. So when she goes
up to it, you see this beautiful

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orange red flower with the yellow center
going and when she goes to touch it,

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it starts to grab her. Stacy
has to help save Amy, which

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then actually makes it attack Stacy even
more. They try to like burn it

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with the fire. The flowers don't
give a shit and they barely escape.

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Well, this is one of my
favorite shots. How it's videoed or shot,

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I guess because when they're on the
stretcher, they're like, pull us

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up, pull us up, and
the guys are like, okay, they're

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being dramatic. They're kind of scared. She's like hurry and like as they're

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cranking them up on this decrepit rope
with this pulley system. The vines are

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like climbing with them, and they're
like getting closer, trying to fucking like

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encapsulate them, and it's fucking terrifying. The whole time. You go,

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oh yeah, and you're like her, like, even if I've seen the

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movie fifteen times, I know they
don't die here. I'm just like,

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oh, so. That's when she
tells them it's not a cell phone.

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Listen to what I'm saying. The
vines are alive. The ringing is from

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the flowers. They can imitate sounds. They're like, did you crazy?

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Eric and Jeff are like, you
guys are crazy. That's not what it

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is. There's no way. After
the girls come out and they're like,

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it's the vines. It's the vines. It has to be. The vines

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are evil. They're like, what
are you what are you talking about?

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It is you crazy? Like their
plants it over it, And that's when

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Matthias goes, please help. There's
there's something wrong. There's something wrong.

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I don't know what it is.
Something's happening, And they go over to

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Mattias and they take off his blanket
and they see his legs flit like we

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said, his legs is the process
flash. There's infection and they know that,

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like the vines crept up inside the
body before Eric goes up to them,

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and it's like, we have to
amputate his legs. Guys, now,

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like, what the fuck? We
don't have like bone cutting tools,

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we don't have anything. What do
you mean we have to amputate his leg

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and he's like, the infection's getting
worse. He'll be dead by tomorrow if

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we don't do something, it's gonna
get infected. I do want this just

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recorded so everyone in the world can
help. Don't cut off my legs.

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I'll just die, that's okay.
Don't waste your water on me, don't

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waste your food on me. I
will just die if that is me.

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Okay, use my body to throw
at the people as a distraction, and

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then you guys run for sure.
That is how I offer my services.

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Exactly what what I'm gonna describe is
what I don't want to happen, because

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it was fucking horrifying. The exact
opposite. So the group is like,

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so, mister smartman student guy,
how are we gonna cut off his legs

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if we got nothing, and he
goes, well, we have this tiny

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ass knife. We also have some
sharp, jagged rocks that I found,

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and we have a frying pan.
And they're like what. He's like,

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we're gonna maguy for this ship.
We are gonna slowly cut into the flesh

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of his leg with this very tiny, shallow knife. We're gonna break his

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bone with this dirty rock I found, which isn't going to infect anything,

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and this much tequila, like that's
gonna do anything. And then we're gonna

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heat up the frying pan and use
it to cauterize the wound. And everyone

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goes, what the fuck are you
serious? And he's like, oh,

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don't worry. All the nerves are
dead. We're just gonna get rid of

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the flesh. All the nerves are
dead. He can't feel anything, which

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he was screaming when they lifted him, so I know he felt it.

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You know. They're all like just
full of shock and they're terrified, and

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they're like this guy, he's in
medical school. He knows, he knows

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what he's talking about. He has
to who he has to, who he

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has to. So they go and
do it, and you hear you see

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like the crunching of the like the
cutting of the skin. You hear the

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crunching of the bone. And this
German Man is a really really good actor

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because you feel it with every fucking
scream. My legs, I like had

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to look down at them and like
rub them. I'm like, oh,

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it's okay. So that's just it's
scary. So they do one leg,

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they cut it, they break the
bone, they put the really hot sizzling

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pan, you could hear it burning. They do one and the poor guy's

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just like panting so hard to stop, stop, please stop, Please don't

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do it again. They do it
anyway, and after the first leg,

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Matthias begged them to stop. But
yeah, they do the other side.

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It kind of seemed like Eric wanted
to do it. I was just gonna

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say, he got really like dead
face where he's just like this has to

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be done, this has to be
done, even though he knows. And

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so they do the other leg,
and my Auththorne says, for some reason,

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pours the smallest amount of alcohol on
top that doesn't do anything. Use

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it to like clean off the knife
first, or like fucking give that whole

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bottle to Matthias. So he's drunk
as fuck, don't use it on his

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leg. If he's dying, let
him be drunk as fucking not feel anything.

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And I refuse to believe any of
them didn't bring weed. By the

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way, get high off your asses, burn the ruins down with weed boom,

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or I don't know, use the
alcohol to burn the ruins. There

405
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:27.079
was just so many options, right, they had alcohol, they had fire,

406
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:33.079
put together, throw in hole,
movie over anyway. After they cut

407
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:34.920
off both of his legs and he's
just resting, and he just he wants

408
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.640
to be dead. He would rather
have been dead than having to do with

409
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.359
that shit. You see that Eric
is just like dead faced. I think

410
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.240
he's also in shock that he even
could do that, but I think he

411
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.720
had to prove to himself that he
could do it to be a doctor.

412
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.880
And Amy goes up to them and
it's like he felt it, and he's

413
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.079
like, no, he didn't,
It's it's just phantom legs syndrome. He

414
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.799
just knew we were doing something and
that's what he was scrimming. She's like,

415
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.640
oh, he felt it. There's
a difference in Okay, I think

416
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:11.119
that's happening. Or I can feel
my bones being broken and my skin getting

417
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.359
punctured and then burned. Ye,
And he's like, no, he's fine,

418
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.720
and he walks away, and I'm
like, what the literal fuck everyone

419
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.599
just saw that happen. What do
we do? Guys? Eric's fucking psycho.

420
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.920
And as they're having this little discussion
about if he felt it or not,

421
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:32.279
the vines creep up towards Matthias and
take his two dismembered legs and like

422
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.640
eat them. Oh yeah, they
take the legs and eat them. So

423
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.720
that night, they're all just recovering
from the horrible thing they just did to

424
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.839
one of their friends. Stacy decides
to go in the tent. I don't

425
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:48.079
really know where Eric was. I
think he was just with Matthias. But

426
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:55.799
Amy and Eric they're on the same
side because Stacy helped Eric the med student

427
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.799
cut off Matthias's legs. That means
Jeff was the boyfriend. I mean,

428
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.079
got the name's wrong, but look, Eric pulls alcohol over the leg to

429
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.279
sterilize it and then cuts to remove
the vine. Remember that was the Blondewood's

430
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.880
boyfriend that they're comforting. Fuck,
we have to start over. Okay,

431
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:18.240
guys, we got their names mixed
up, so every time we said Eric,

432
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.680
we met Jeff, and every time
we said Jeff, we met Eric.

433
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.119
We're going to continue now with the
correct names for the correct characters.

434
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:32.920
But Jeff is the med student and
Eric is the hippie. So that's the

435
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.880
only thing we messed up. We
apologize. It was me. I wrote

436
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:41.079
it wrong, but we are going
to continue from this point with the correct

437
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.319
names. So we do apologize for
that. If you've seen the movie,

438
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.480
you probably were thinking, what the
fuck they're getting their names wrong? Should

439
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.559
happens. We're human beings and we
still love you all. We apologize,

440
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.119
so we're going to continue. Funny
story, my husband's name is Brian with

441
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.640
a bee, and for the first
six months that I him, I thought

442
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:07.240
his name was Ryan with an R. Remember you got called out my own

443
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.039
husband. Yes, I'm not going
to apologize for my faults. This has

444
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.400
been one of the worst traits about
me and I'm here both names. I'll

445
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.319
take all the blame for this,
but we're going to continue. Just remember,

446
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.680
guys, we're human. We fuck
up. We love you, Eric,

447
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:34.240
Hippy, Jeff doctor Okay. Good
Stacy and her boyfriend Eric the Hippie

448
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:41.440
fight because she helped Jeff the doctor
med student cut off Matthias's legs, so

449
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.759
she goes to recuperate. Stacy goes
to in the tent. She just she

450
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.400
doesn't want to deal with anyone.
Jeff is with Matthias, being like,

451
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.160
sorry, I cut your legs off. I'm gonna keep you alive, though,

452
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:59.440
bro. So Amy and Eric are
they're comforting each other. Amy is

453
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.480
crying. She's like so distraught and
Eric is like, it's okay, dude,

454
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.559
we're all scared, like we're friends. Come here, let me give

455
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.640
you a hug. And you see
Stacy inside the tent with her eyes wide

456
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.960
open, and you hear little sounds
because you remember, the plants can mimic

457
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.599
sounds, so she hears something and
she gets all mad, and she gets

458
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.319
she starts to hear whispering as if
they're kind of talking about her, I

459
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:29.640
think, but kind of like fuck
Stacy. And then the plants start mimicking

460
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:34.359
moaning sounds, and that's when Stacy
gets mad and goes outside and she sees

461
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.559
Eric, her boyfriend, and Amy
like just holding each other, and she

462
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:45.000
goes, you guys were fucking in
front of me. They just have their

463
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.240
arms around each other and they're in
the middle of everyone, So I don't

464
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.400
know how she thought that even happened. And she's like, what the fuck

465
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.960
are you talking about, Stacy,
And Stacy's like, no, I heard

466
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.599
you, guys. You can't lie. I heard you, guys, and

467
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.200
everyone knows you're not afraid to cheat
on your boyfriend. And Jeff is like,

468
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.160
excuse me, and she's like,
yeah, if I wouldn't have stopped

469
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.319
her, she would have been fucking
Matthias right now and never would have told

470
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.279
you because she's a slut. And
part of me kind of thought, what

471
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.880
if Jeff always knew? Because remember
on the walk through the jungle, Eric

472
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:24.160
kept putting little tidbits here and there
about Amy cheating on him, so one

473
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:29.440
of the kind of revenge. That's
why he looked so dead face. That's

474
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.319
what I was thinking, because you
had to be real dumb did not pick

475
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.799
up on those clues, and obviously
he's not dumb, he's a med student.

476
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.079
Also, something that just threw me
off about this whole thing. She

477
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.400
heard the moans for about ten seconds
and then came outside and they were just,

478
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.240
you know, embracing each other in
a hug, and she thought that

479
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.880
they had fucked. Okay, you
can have really quick sex. Some guys

480
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.359
are one pump and done, and
like you could do it through clothes,

481
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.079
just take the dick out and take
the pants off. I'm just saying that

482
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.759
you could be a quick like eh
and then like a tidy come off.

483
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:01.759
You're just hugging and then you're like, wow, you guys just fucked in

484
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.279
front of me. Now I didn't. Also, this is when I started

485
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.839
thinking. When she fell, Obviously, wherever you fall on the plants,

486
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.359
it like gets you right, it
gets inside your body. So what if

487
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.759
not only did she hurt her leg, but what if she hit her head

488
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.480
and it cart like started going in
her brain because they didn't actually like check

489
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.640
her whole body to see if she
was okay. She was just like,

490
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.279
I cut my leg, and that's
what they focused on. If I fell

491
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.839
from fifteen feet, Please check my
entire body, touch my scalp, look

492
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:37.359
for cuts, because that's what I
think happens. So Stacy starts slowly going

493
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:44.000
crazy. Okay, And as they're
fighting over this the plants, the flowers

494
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.799
and the vines, they decide to
take another chance. And have you noticed

495
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.920
that every time they fly, plants
is making them fight with it? Sounds,

496
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:57.319
and then once they know the humans
are fighting, they seize the opportunity.

497
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:01.160
Yes, with their backs turn and
then the vines come up and they

498
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:07.320
go down Matthias's throat and suffocate him. They hear him choking. Jeff actually

499
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:13.000
hears him choking. Once they say
you cheated on him with Matthias. Jeff

500
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.360
is like, oh my god,
Matthias, let me go check on him.

501
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.400
But he's already gone, and he
has to pull the plants out of

502
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.039
his esophagus, out of his throat
see, and then Iceman makes a really,

503
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.039
it's just gonna be easier for I
call Iceman whatever, better than his

504
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.280
wrong name. So Iceman goes,
well, at least we cut off his

505
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:37.159
legs, right, And Jeff's like, fuck you, Eric, fuck you

506
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:43.519
shut up. I know, because
like he's already dead. He went through

507
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.960
all of that pain for nothing.
That's so sad, that's just horrifying.

508
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.239
He goes on your conctions and you're
like, wow, I did that and

509
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.119
it meant nothing. I promised him
he'd be okay, Like I put him

510
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:58.400
through all that pain for nothing,
and then the vines take his body anyway,

511
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.599
and then they just eat it and
way, so like Wow, just

512
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.159
the vines take his body, and
when they go to help him, they

513
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:14.039
actually notice other skeletons in the vines. Remember they see all the other bodies.

514
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:15.760
Yeah, and they kind of realize, holy shit, how many people

515
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.840
have died here? A lot?
We're definitely gonna die here. But Jeff

516
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.199
keeps telling them, no, we
won't. Matthias's friends are gonna look for

517
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.960
him, and they're like, they
couldn't even find their hotel room. They're

518
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.880
drunk. They're not gonna fucking find
us here. And then after all this

519
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.480
scary shit, they go, Okay, that's gonna bed and they all sleep

520
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.239
together too, like for warmth and
shit. Yeah, and then this is

521
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.320
the part, the really really scary
part, the biggest vines inside Stacy.

522
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.639
In the morning, Eric brings Amy
and Jeff into the tent and tell Stacy

523
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.119
to show them what is on her
back and then they have to cut it

524
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.920
out. When she turns around,
she lifts up her shirt to expose her

525
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.119
back, and she shows her friends
that the vibes are actually really growing underneath

526
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:06.000
her skin. And guess what she
tells them to do. Everybody cut it

527
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:10.159
out to cut her cut it out, literally, so they cut open her

528
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.760
leg and he has to dig his
dirty just cut off a guy's finger,

529
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:23.880
fucking horrible water to wash nasty ass, nasty hands. I thought her acting

530
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:29.199
was done really well too. And
he'd like sticks his finger into the fat

531
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.760
of her leg, her muscle and
just pull it and you can feel,

532
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.480
like, imagine the longest splinter and
you know that a little bit of like

533
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.840
when you feel it come out of
your body, just that for like a

534
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.719
minute, for like three feet.
Yeah. So they get the vine out

535
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.559
of her leg, and then they
get the three foot long vine from her

536
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.840
spine, and after they remove that, she actually tries to take the knife

537
00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:00.639
from Jeff the doctor, and she
says, Okay, I have one in

538
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.039
my head. I can feel it
right here. You need to get it.

539
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.719
And they're like, they're like,
oh, you're crazy, You're okay,

540
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.239
You're okay, but like they see
it, yeah, it says.

541
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.760
As Stacy proceeds to drink water,
the rest of the group watches her,

542
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:20.440
and a vine moves under the skin
in her forehead, revealing that her worst

543
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.000
fears were true. But they don't
tell her. They don't say shit because

544
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:28.119
she's already crazy. And then the
next morning again I guess they just keep

545
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.079
going to bed. How do you
keep sleeping through all this when you know

546
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.840
evil as vines are whatever. I
don't even know how they can sleep at

547
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.920
all. Stacy wakes up early and
she goes and finds the knife, and

548
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:44.360
obviously she's being driven crazy because there's
like a vine in her head, yes,

549
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.760
messing with her brain literally, and
she gets the knife and she just

550
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.119
you don't see it, but you
see the friends hear her. Like the

551
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.719
friends hear her, and they'll run
out and they're like, Stacy, what

552
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.000
are you doing? And she turns
around. She's covered in blood. Her

553
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.559
whole body's all all cut up and
horrible, and she's like, I'm getting

554
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.000
them out. I'm getting them out, guys, it's okay. And Eric

555
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.440
ice Man loves her and it's like
it's okay, just give me the knife.

556
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:13.599
And she's like, no, no, no, I have to get

557
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.159
it. There's just one more in
my head. I have to get it.

558
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.119
I have to get it. He's
like, just just give me the

559
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.519
knife, babe, I love you. And she's in such a state of

560
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:27.360
like heightened emotions and like hysteria.
So when he comes to grab the knife

561
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.840
from her, she fucking stabs him, like in the heart, directly in

562
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.840
the heart, and he just looks
at her, and it's so sad because

563
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.280
they look on his face. He
just wanted to save her. He genuinely

564
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:42.239
loved her. He's betrayed. First
you accuse him of cheating, then you

565
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.480
stab him literally in the heart,
like bitch, and like he falls to

566
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.559
the ground, and she just sees
her boyfriend's fall. And then the vines

567
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.559
come and they just take Eric like
they don't even want the distraction anymore.

568
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:01.800
They're like, yemmi breakfast time,
Like this is mine. Thanks. It's

569
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.440
like when you're trying to eat something
and your cat just kind of like poses

570
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:13.000
a handover boop mine. So then
Stacy starts begging Jeff the doctor to kill

571
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.199
her. She's like, I can't
live with this. I can't believe I

572
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:21.599
killed the love of my life.
Kill me, and he fucking does he

573
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.519
kills her. Yeah, Well,
if I ask you to kill me,

574
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.440
especially if I had you stabbed my
lover in the heart, I would ask

575
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.559
you to kill me because I would
not be able to live with that.

576
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.880
And also there's demons in my head. I would push you down the ruins

577
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.920
head first. Or something, I
couldn't stab you or whatever. Wow,

578
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.880
you want me to get eaten alive
slowly by plants instead of just a quick

579
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:50.800
stab to the heart, like I
just killed my boyfriend. Cool. Wow,

580
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.880
might as well cut my legs off
first too. Huh sounds good.

581
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.320
I'll cut your legs off throwing you
down there. It'll be it'll be a

582
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.440
whole thing. Now, if I
fucking had too, I would I wouldn't

583
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.880
be happy about it. See.
And then at this point too, you

584
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:08.039
realize that the locals were saving them
by giving them a quick, painless death

585
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.679
with a gunshot to the head.
I would have preferred that then everything I

586
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.559
just said. I also kind of
wish captions would have said what they said,

587
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.280
just so I could have got their
side of the story. Maybe they

588
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.079
were yelling at them like I can
kill you now, or you can die

589
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.000
up there. We don't know what
they were saying. It came off to

590
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.599
us as angry. Yeah, but
once you touch over there, you can't

591
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.559
come back down. But maybe they
were giving them the option. So we're

592
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.920
already at the end of the film. We'll talk about the alternate ending as

593
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:42.559
well, So we're just gonna get
right to the end. So Jeff now

594
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.840
a murderer slash a surgeon of legs. He's like, okay, I can't

595
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:52.840
go back into society with this murder
on my belt. I am gonna save

596
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.199
my girlfriend who treated on me,
and hopefully she can get us some help

597
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:02.519
because she's a cute girl. So
he gets Stacy's blood, Stacy's blood has

598
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:10.320
gone and go in on, Okay, what if her blood is infected and

599
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.559
that's how it explains the alternate ending, you know, probably, but we'll

600
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.199
get to that. So he spears
blood all over her body and then he

601
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.119
carries her down the Mayan ruins,
putting her on the salted earth, and

602
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.760
he pleads to the Mayan people.
He's like, why are you doing this

603
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.559
to us? You don't even know
our names. My name is Jeff,

604
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:42.920
not Eric. Her name is Amy. That's my girlfriend, and you don't

605
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.880
even know and neither does hot thor
To never realist my name is Jeff.

606
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:52.400
Fucking get it right, the Mayans, That's exactly what they're like, get

607
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.119
back, get back. And their
plan was when he says her name is

608
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.199
Amy, that Amy was gonna through
the jungle, find the jeep, drive

609
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.719
home, find them help, and
she was like, promise me you'll be

610
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.800
there when I get back. I
think that's a selfish ass promise if he

611
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.880
can find a way to live.
I'm not gonna wait at the ruins for

612
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.599
you, dude. If you can
get away, don't even come back.

613
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.320
Tell people where I yeah, but
don't ever come back for me. Just

614
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.079
be like, yeah, she was
over there, Yeah, what I want

615
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.519
you coming back to this fucking monster
ass please. So he lures them away,

616
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.519
and as he says, her name
is Amy, she gets up and

617
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:38.079
run and they start attacking him,
arrow everything, and she hears it.

618
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.320
She knows he's dead. She knows
he lied to her, Like I like

619
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.440
that. She just started running though. Same she somehow finds this jeep,

620
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.360
which to me was kind of unbelievable. It was her first time in these

621
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.079
woods. She's hungry, thirsty,
distraught. They passed it, But how

622
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.280
did she know how to get back
because it was a pretty great shout.

623
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.920
I think I'm just saying it seems
a little too easy. She really was

624
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.880
there in like a few minutes,
but they were like shooting bullets at her

625
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.199
and like you see like like the
ricocheting trees, which I thought was cool.

626
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.480
And then she gets to the jeep, she turns it on, and

627
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.639
she drives away as fast as she
can. Yeah, the last scene we

628
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.199
see in the movie is the two
friends that they said we're going to come

629
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:28.679
for them actually walk up to the
temple and then it ends. So now

630
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.960
it's like, oh, what's going
to happen to them? If you haven't

631
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.880
seen an alternate ending, it is
on YouTube. It's only one minute long.

632
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.800
I kind of wish they would have
just made this the ending, have

633
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:42.559
that scene with the friends, and
then show this. It's not really an

634
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.440
alternate ending either. It's more like
just an addition. It's like the ending.

635
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:51.480
Yeah, it's like literally the real
ending. So an alternate ending would

636
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.519
be like another person survived or like
something. Yeah, this was just like

637
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.239
we have to cut the movie by
a minute or else we've got to spend

638
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.639
like ten million more dollars. Oh
yeah, that's exactly what happened. So

639
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.559
tell them the alternate ending and then
we'll get into ratings and stuff like that.

640
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.280
In the alternate ending, people are
at a funeral. It doesn't really

641
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:15.360
explain who's funeral, and there's like
a grave keeper and he's doing he's whistling

642
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:23.320
frere Jaka, and he goes over
to a grave that just says the name

643
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:27.599
Amy on it. No last name, that's it, not then just damy.

644
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.320
It was very lazily done. Sorry
I'm judging and ending they didn't even

645
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:36.440
put in the movie. But he
hears like a mimic of his whistling,

646
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.400
and he goes up to it,
and on the Amy gravestone it's the plants

647
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.840
from the ruins growing away from the
ruins in the world. He reaches his

648
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.480
hand out to touch the flowers,
and right before he touches it, the

649
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.880
screen cuts to black, and I
wish that's how they would have ended the

650
00:44:53.920 --> 00:45:00.559
movie. See, And then you
also think how fucking selfish it was Amy

651
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.000
to bring this out in the world, Like I get it, but you

652
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.880
guys are the ones who went there. You did it, You deal with

653
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.599
it. You don't trying to survive. I don't give a fuck. I

654
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.400
don't care who you are. You
did this, you don't infect the rest

655
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.599
of the goddamn world. And now
the whole world is screwed thanks because these

656
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:22.199
fucking tourist ass college kids literally or
like I want to get explore ribbons,

657
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.599
oh my god, because it's all
cool. No you just destroyed the world

658
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:30.360
and I hate you seriously. So
that was movie The Ruins. What do

659
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.239
you rate it out of five?
Back when I first saw it, I

660
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:38.239
would have said like a four point
five. Right now probably a high three,

661
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.400
like a three point eight. You
put nine, just under a four.

662
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.719
I do like it. I like
that it was gory. How could

663
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.280
it have been better for you?
I wish it would have explained, like

664
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.920
how did did he find the ruins
in the first place? Who are the

665
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.360
other people he went with? Maybe
instead of the stupid like partying scene of

666
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.519
them at the pool in the beginning, it could have showed a little bit

667
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.920
like a five minute clip of like
Matthias's brother in the woods, the brother,

668
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.559
yeah, and like the people he
went with? And how did he

669
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.000
get the map? He left it
for his brother? How did Matthias know

670
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.199
where to go if he had never
been? And then like, also what

671
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.840
happened with the Greeks? Because I
remember they went. Did they just get

672
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:27.400
shot on site? Too? Then
did they leave? Yeah? Don't like

673
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.920
when movies do that. I'm sitting
there like, we don't know if the

674
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.360
guy down in the ruins with the
flowers was his brother or if it was

675
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.639
just someone his brother went with.
Yeah, and there was a lot of

676
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.039
other skeletons. Who are these people? Yeah? I want to know who

677
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.559
these people were, so it gives
a little more of an impact. I

678
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.320
wanted Matthias to like see his dead
brother and get more of that, like

679
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.559
more emotion because he fought so hard
and now he just realizes it was for

680
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.440
nothing. Yeah, I feel you
on that. Anyway, how did you

681
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.679
What did you think of the movie? Would you rate it? I think

682
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:05.159
I'm gonna rat it a solid three. It wasn't very scary, but people

683
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.639
who are afraid of gore, like
you and I, like really realistic.

684
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.880
It's scary to us in that way. Part of me wants to say it

685
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.119
could be better because maybe they should
have explored the ruins a little more,

686
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.239
you know, that was a lot
cooler, maybe giving it some caverns and

687
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.280
shit, and like I was gonna
say, the only condemning sounds. How

688
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.679
come I not not mimicking voices?
How come it wasn't like Mansias and then

689
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.719
you know, led him around the
ruins to like a trapped room or something

690
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.159
like that could have been really well
done. And with the ruins, like

691
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.400
the inside that's true. All you
see is like the big one cave and

692
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.239
then there was like a little low
cave over there. Is that all that's

693
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.159
in this and giant giant ruins and
mung is exactly. So that's why I'm

694
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:46.880
reading it so low. They did
a lot of just on the top,

695
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.360
and I read that the budget was
like eight million or something like you couldn't

696
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:58.119
have made a few concrete rooms with
treasures or something to like really lure them

697
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.239
in there. I get the cell
phone like that was their main way to

698
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.000
get off, but like, I
don't know, it just could have been

699
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.559
a little more, but you know, so, yeah, do you recommend

700
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.679
the movie. I recommend it to
watch at least once because it is like

701
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.800
an older movie. I felt like
it was more iconic when we were younger.

702
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.840
But no one talks to every mad
anyone who's talked about it, which

703
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.480
is really really I recommend it.
It's on Hulu. You need the stupid

704
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.719
cinemas add on, though, but
you get it free for a week.

705
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:27.639
So that's what I had to do
to watch it. I watched mine on

706
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.840
Voodoo for like two ninety nine.
And also, I guarantee you there's a

707
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:36.039
copy of it of it at your
local savers or good Will. This is

708
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:40.320
where we usually put a promo for
podcasts on our show, but we actually

709
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:45.239
are out at the moments. So
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710
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.639
would like to help spread the word
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711
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:54.039
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712
00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:00.320
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713
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.760
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714
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.239
can just help grow our shows popularity
in the community. Yeah, all right,

715
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:16.159
let's help each other. We're now
to the story and murda section of

716
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.000
our show. Do you want to
go first? You want me to go

717
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.800
first? Now you can go first. So, my dear, what's your

718
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:29.119
murder this week? Hawthorne? Is
it going to ruin my life? I

719
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.719
don't know if what to ruin your
life, but this guy's life was definitely

720
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:38.039
ruined unfortunately. This week I will
be talking about the murder of Jeffrey Howe.

721
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.360
Jeffrey Howe was forty nine at the
time of his murder. He was

722
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.960
a kitchen salesman, but before that
he had actually been a chef in Italy.

723
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:52.039
He had a friend, acquaintance,
drinking buddy type of person in his

724
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.880
life named Stephen Marshall. Marshall was
thirty eight. He was a bodybuilder,

725
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.239
personal trainer or former bouncer blah blah
blah, you know that type. Yeah,

726
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.519
and Jeffrey had actually rented out the
bottom part of his home to him

727
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.480
just to help him out. Marshall
decided to moving his twenty one year old

728
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:14.920
girlfriend, whose name is Sarah Bush, and Jeffrey actually let them stay in

729
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.400
his like bottom basement apartment rent free. In our roommate situations, they never

730
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.960
really work out, and the couple
began to take advantage of him more and

731
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:29.239
more. They started to steal food
from Jeffrey's kitchen, and you know,

732
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:30.760
him being a chef, I think
that's pretty fucked up. You know,

733
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.000
he's buying good quality food to make
himself like bomb ass meals, but here

734
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.480
they go stealing from him. It's
like really rude. Jeffrey began kindly asking

735
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.480
them to leave and like, when
are you guys going to move out?

736
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:46.280
Blah blah blah, but they refused
to leave. Jeffrey began to complain to

737
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:51.480
his friends and family about the couple
living with him. Marshall and Bush then

738
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:57.639
forged Jeffrey's signature on some legal documents
claiming his household benefit, which I don't

739
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.840
really know what that is. This
is an English case like in Britain,

740
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:05.800
so I don't know what that means. But they said that Jeffrey was leasing

741
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.559
his whole property to them so they
could collect the taxes on it. But

742
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.280
that wasn't even true. He was
letting the rent free. You see what

743
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.440
I'm saying. Yeah, weird.
I also couldn't find how long exactly they

744
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.440
had been living with Jeffrey, but
I know it was minimum four months because

745
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.159
he was complaining at Christmas time in
December of two thousand and eight about the

746
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.159
tenants to his family and friends,
so minimum four months. On March eighth,

747
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.639
two thousand and nine, the living
situation finally reached the point of no

748
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.559
return, as it usually does when
you have roommates. That night, Marshall

749
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:43.920
attacked Jeffrey with a knife. He
stabbed him twice in the back with a

750
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.760
four inch blade. One of the
stab wounds punctured his lung. They believed

751
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.320
Jeffrey could have been alive for eight
to twelve hours after he was stabbed Jesus

752
00:51:52.840 --> 00:52:00.519
Marshall began to meticulously dismember Jeffrey Simon
Pooled. The pathologist made it that the

753
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.039
skillful removal of Jeffrey's limbs would have
taken anywhere from ten to twelve hours,

754
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.119
meaning that Jeffrey, if he was
still alive, felt everything as he slowly

755
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:15.840
died. Oh that's awful, It's
very horrible. After the murder, Marshall

756
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:21.960
and his girlfriend Sarah Bush spent all
of Jeffrey's money on themselves. They even

757
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.480
sold his car on eBay. When
Jeffrey's friends came to check in on him,

758
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.039
Marshall told them that he had just
packed up and left. Twenty days

759
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:35.440
after Jeffrey was murdered, his brother
John stopped by his house and this time

760
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.440
met with Sarah Bush. She told
him the same story about where Jeffrey was.

761
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:43.960
She's like, oh, he hasn't
came to collect our rents, not

762
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:46.880
that they were paying any So I
thought that was weird and said, yep,

763
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.599
he just packed up all his things
and left. To me, that

764
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.719
is so stupid. Who believes that
shit? And sorry, this is in

765
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:59.760
two thousand and nine, Like,
I don't know why cops always think that,

766
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:00.960
Like, oh, they must have
just run away, or they just

767
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:05.360
packed up and love to start a
new life. That's literally never happened in

768
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.079
her life. People always tell at
least one fucking person where they're going,

769
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:14.719
what they're doing. Everyone has that
one person they tell everything to, whether

770
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.199
it be your mom, your best
friend. And he had a lot of

771
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:22.519
friends and family, so this just
I don't know why his brother may even

772
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.440
believe that. I just thought that
was strange. As I said, Jeffrey

773
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.079
had a lot of friends and family
that he kept in contact with, and

774
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:34.480
at the end of January, one
of his friends actually came over to the

775
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.960
house and he found that the couple
was living there, so she left after

776
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.559
trying to call him and call him
with no answer. She had actually heard

777
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.840
through their group that he was missing, and she kept trying to contact him

778
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.519
for a few months, and finally
reported him as a missing person on March

779
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:55.159
fifteenth, just one week after he
was murdered Weird. Two police officers went

780
00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:00.559
to the house the next day at
eleven thirty am to search the house see

781
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.639
maybe if he was help I fallen
and I can't get up kind of a

782
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.599
situation. After no answer, they
forced their way inside the home. They

783
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:13.079
searched all of the rooms and saw
no visible signs of a struggle. There

784
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:17.440
was no blood or furniture broken or
anything like that. Jeffrey's mother, who

785
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:22.400
he usually called several times a week
to keep in touch, also reported him

786
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.880
missing. On April twenty first,
Marshall and Bush worked together and began to

787
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:31.000
spread Jeffrey's dismembered body parts as randomly
as they could. I'm gonna go over

788
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:36.440
each body part in chronological order by
when they were found. On March twenty

789
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:42.639
second, Jeffrey's left leg with the
foot attached, was found and cottered Hertfordshire.

790
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.000
They had wrapped it with duct tape
and blue plastic bags. This is

791
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.519
when the murder investigation officially had started. A week later, on March twenty

792
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:58.440
ninth, his left forearm, which
was dismembered at the elbow and the wrist,

793
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:04.159
was found on Drover Lane. Then, on March thirty first, Jeffrey's

794
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:08.559
head was found by a farmer and
a cattle pen in Asford b The flesh

795
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:14.239
had been removed, along with the
eyes, ears, tongue, and his

796
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:19.119
neck had been cut off, so
it was just a skull. On April

797
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:23.119
seventh, his right leg was found
on a bypass by a driver he noticed

798
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:28.440
a jim bag that looked suspicious,
and it turns out it was. Lastly,

799
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.519
on April eleventh, his torso,
right arm and upper left arm were

800
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:36.880
discovered in a ditch by a walker
inside of a green suitcase, which was

801
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.719
the same brand as the jim bag
from before. To this day, his

802
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:45.280
hands have never been found. Although
Bush stated that they were buried in Epping

803
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.480
Forest, they have never found them. When questioned by the police, Marshall

804
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.440
and Bush said, as far as
we know, Jeffrey's alive, Like,

805
00:55:53.599 --> 00:56:00.119
come on now. The police had
to use dental records to identify Jeffrey's remains.

806
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.440
At once they knew who he was, they discovered that Marshall had lived

807
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.239
close to where the torso was found, Like, how are you going to

808
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.519
dump body parts near where you're staying. That's when the police arrested the couple

809
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:16.559
at the apartment on April twenty first. The arresting officer said that Marshall was

810
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:21.960
very nervous and jittery, and his
leg could not stop shaking. Sarah Bush

811
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:27.599
felt extremely uncomfortable with the situation.
I really think that they actually thought they

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had gotten away with the murder.
The arresting officer also stated that just by

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their demeanor when he arrested them,
he knew that Jeffrey Howe, their roommate,

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was the victim. Jeffrey Howe was
publicly named as the victim of the

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murder on April twenty third. Police
then searched the apartment with the forensics team.

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They found blood in the bathroom,
blood in the bedroom, it was

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under the carpet, and they even
found blood in Jeffrey's car, which they

818
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:57.599
had to recover it from the person
who purchased it on eBay. Imagine buying

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a car and the cops come and
they're like, hey, and you just

820
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.000
got a really good killer deal in
that car on eBay. But it's for

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a murder. You have to really
be careful with p chuby on eBay.

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Green fibers from a T shirt in
Marshall's bedroom matched fibers found on duct tape

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00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.519
used to wrap Jeffrey's body parts.
How are you going to keep the clothes

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00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:22.639
you wore during the disposal and or
murder of a human corpse? And the

825
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:28.519
cherry on top the journey that Marshall
and Bush took to dispose of Jeffrey's body

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00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:35.159
parts was actually traced from CCTV footage
and the automatic license plate recognition software,

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so they were pretty much fucked at
that point. The trial began on January

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twelfth, twenty ten. At first, Marshall pled not guilty, but there

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was a lot of incriminating evidence through
the statements of witnesses called by the prosecution.

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On January twenty ninth, three weeks
into the trial, Marshall changed his

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plea to guilty for murder. Stephen
Marshall was sentenced to life imprisonment on February

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first, two ten, with the
minimum of thirty six years. Sarah Bush

833
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.280
also decided to change her plea to
guilty. On February first, two ten.

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She was sentenced to three years and
nine months for perverting the course of

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justice by helping Marshall dispose of Jeffrey's
head. She was also given a concurrent

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sentence of two years and three months
for giving false information about Jeffrey's whereabouts.

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Although she was acquitted on the actual
charge of murder. I'm glad that she's

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serving time at all, because sometimes, you know, you can become a

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witness goot immunity. My sources for
this case are from The Guardian dot com,

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00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:39.239
huffingtonPost dot com and BBC dot co
dot UK. I chose this case

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because Marshall cuts off Jeffrey's limbs and
he felt everything. And then the movie

842
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:52.159
when jeff cuts off Matthias's legs,
he too feels everything. That was fucking

843
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.480
creepy. Man. Oh yeah,
I don't understand how someone can be like,

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oh, we found his hands and
legs and not his hands, so

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we found his arms and legs in
his head. But he's alive. As

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00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.679
far as I know, he's alive. Like, no, dude, you're

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00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.159
living in his house. You made
an eBay account, you were selling his

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stuff. Come on, like,
Bear, don't murder someone to be smart

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or Mandy, don't keeping dumb,
keeping dumb guys. Yeah, you're gonna

850
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.079
murder someone. Being dumb is fine, So Emma, realist, tell us

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00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:27.280
your scared every story. Did we
get that from my courage the Cowardly Dog,

852
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:30.719
because I feel like we did.
I think so. From the announcer.

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00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:37.320
The creepy stuff happens in nowhere.
The creepy stories happened in Grils podcast

854
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:47.519
to scare the boots off, you
stupid My story this week was posted on

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No Sleep of Course, one of
my favorite places, three years ago by

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00:59:53.280 --> 01:00:00.960
somebody called Calshy, and it is
titled Phantom Limb Syndrome. I wake up

857
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:07.440
in unfathomable pain. My jarring,
animalistic scream bleeds into the silent night,

858
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:13.480
instantly waking my parents and sending them
hurtling towards my bedroom door. It's no

859
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.199
surprise to them that I've woken up
this way. It's the third night this

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01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.800
month that my leg has sent us
to the emergency room, or my lack

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01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.239
of leg, I should say.
Last year, I was diagnosed with phantom

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01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:29.159
limb syndrome about a month after losing
my leg just above the knee in a

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01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.800
car accident. I was lucky to
get away with my life. I lost

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01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:36.239
a close friend in that crash,
and I've lived as much as possible ever

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01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:40.840
since. Before the accident, I
was a very typical rebellious teenager. I

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01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:45.639
experimented with any drug I could get
my hands on. I skipped school and

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01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:51.320
bullied anyone who showed any sign of
insecurity. I was a bad person,

868
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:57.599
but in a stereotypical change of circumstance, I made countless apologies and turned myself

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01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.679
around. I managed to graduate high
school and begin to make something of my

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01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.079
life. So yeah, my life
is basically one of those made for TV

871
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:09.079
films that they show only on a
Sunday afternoon. Phantom limb syndrome is the

872
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:13.559
only thing that has kept me feeling
angry over the loss of my leg.

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01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.320
It's like a higher power that is
really trying to rub it in. Ha

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01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.840
ha, you lost your leg.
Now imagine it's still there and that you

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01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:23.320
can feel it itching or hurting all
the time. Some days I even forget

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01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.199
that I'm lacking a leg until there's
a tickle at the end of my prosthesis.

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01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.119
The real pain only started recently,
though. It starts as a dull

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01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:36.880
ache and builds into a sharp jab
until I feel like someone is knitting with

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01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:40.800
strings of nerves inside my leg.
It's like having a boiling kettle poured onto

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01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.519
me. But dead and nerves don't
end the pain. It just remains at

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01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:51.199
a constant, scalding feeling. Doctors
can't do much about it. After all,

882
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.599
I'm complaining about a leg that I
don't have, so they usually just

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01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:58.239
give me a muscle relaxident and let
me sleep off the pain. No amount

884
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.719
of therapy could solve the problem,
and it became something that I just had

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01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:04.920
to deal with. I should mention
at this point that I was never a

886
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.719
religious person until the accident. It's
not that I'm super religious now, but

887
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:13.679
I believe that something up there gave
me a second chance, a chance to

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01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.719
pull myself together and sort my life
out. As soon as I was able,

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01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.400
I started going to church every Sunday. I found it to be a

890
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:23.960
good chance to get out and about
and to be around people who really cared

891
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:29.079
about how my week had been.
I continued to attend a church for months,

892
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:34.239
getting as involved as possible with functions
and sermons, until one Sunday.

893
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:38.119
It starts out as normal, a
welcome and a prayer for a wife widowed.

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01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:43.159
When I felt the tight grip of
a hand on my shoulder, I

895
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:47.679
inhaled sharply and spun my head to
see an elderly lady, a lady I

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01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:55.320
recognized as a regular attendee of the
church, mark ninety three. She sputtered,

897
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.480
she left hurriedly, leaving me confused
by her words, and whilst everyone

898
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.159
filed through the large brass doors to
get home for lunch, I limped to

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01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.679
the front of the church and picked
up a Bible. I read the passage

900
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.320
quoted by the lady, and I
felt my prosthesis give out from under me.

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01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:17.320
I close my leg bitch, I
close my eyes and connect the dots.

902
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.440
I was an evil person before my
accident, a liar, an addict,

903
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:28.320
a sinner. Sinners go to hell, and now I suppose do any

904
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:31.039
parts of them that they lose before
death. Every time I feel a burden

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01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:35.519
in my leg, I don't shout
out. I accept and breathe it in.

906
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.239
I pray for my life because my
legs in hell and I don't want

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01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:44.599
to join it. And that's my
story. For those of you who don't

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01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:51.360
know Mark ninety three. The quote
the old woman said in the story is

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01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.679
and if thy hand offend thee cut
it off, it is better for thee

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01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.440
to enter into life maimed than having
two hands, to go to Hell,

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01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:05.960
into the fire that shall never be
quenched. I picked this story because in

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01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:12.599
the movie, Matthias obviously gets his
legs cut off and he could still feel

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01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.119
it, like he could feel that
pain even though quote unquote he was dead

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01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.639
from the nerves. When we all
know that he could still feel that even

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01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:25.559
afterwards. There's the phantom limb syndrome
that people get, and you just know,

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01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:29.960
like, what if he was feeling
some kind of scary, demonic pain

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01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.639
going on even after his legs were
gone, and then he gets eaten by

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01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:38.480
the plants anyway, so it doesn't
really matter anyway. That's my story.

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Thank you all so much for listening
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01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.840
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