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dig in to the latest that's occupying the

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NBAH fear during the dog days of
summer or while we're being held hostage by

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James Harden Damian Lillard. At this
point, ESPN Tim's Bontemps made some headlines

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when he said that he doesn't think
Dono Mitchell will ever sign an extension with

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the Cleveland Cavaliers and that they should
trade him now. I actually want to

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just play this clip very quickly,
so let's cue it up here. But

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this is kind of a make or
break year for the Calves. I don't

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do you think he Do you think
he signs an extension right now? I

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think I don't think there's any chancey
science extension there ever. And if it

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was up to me, I would
say Donovan Mitchell today because I don't think

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the Calves are getting as far as
they hope to next year, and I

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don't think he's going to extend,
and I think they'll get a lot more

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form which who summer's left, then
they will have won summer left on this

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surface, I want to make it
clear. It's a reasonable stance to assume

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that doctor Mitchell will never sign an
extension with the Calves, and I want

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to make clear so he'll be extension
eligible. I think this November, that's

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when he signed his last contracts.
It'll be the three year anniversary since it

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was a five year deal in case
anyone cares about that minusha, So within

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November, I believe he will be
eligible for an extension. But given his

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age and the number of years left
on his contracts, so you can only

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tack on an additional two years.
I think at that point, if he

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was gonna sign an extension, he's
gonna wait to add the maximum amount of

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years because he can get too off
the you know, the one hundred forty

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percent rays Like yeah, that I'll
bring him to his max max money,

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that's not an issue. So him
not signing an extension and he won't this

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year, I want to make that
clear. It's not a big deal.

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And like even if it's you get
to next year and he still won't sign

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extension, I guess maybe you get
a little you know, squirrelish about that,

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and you want to know if anything's
going on, If he hasn't given

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you any indication that he's made up
his mind, though you gave up at

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the time with when you include Doc
Baji, he was four first round picks,

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two swaps Colin Sexton and Lowry market
In. That now looks like the

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equivalent of like because of how good
Lowry Marketing played, and just like the

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Colin Sexton deal is pretty good,
and even Doc Baji is really good.

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Came on during the second half of
last year. That looks like he gave

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up. I don't know, at
least the equivalent of like eight for round

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Pigs or something for him. You
don't just cut the chord on that after

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one season. To me, I
understand the people who are not in Cleveland,

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who are like myself, let's say, so far removed from the situation.

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They want to look at it from
the cold, callous perspective and say,

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yeah, I would move Donovan Mitchell
and capitalize on his value. Now

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here's my thing. We can't just
assume these guys won't sign extensions with their

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current team. Yes, Kawai left
Toronto, but Paul George stayed in Oklahoma

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City for the extra year, and
had they maybe things ended differently for them.

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Perhaps he doesn't know ask for out
to join kawai as quickly, but

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he still signed that second deal which
was critical to or sign another deal with

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Okasey, which was critical to them
capitalize on his depart We can't advocate for

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these let's just say non flagship,
non glamour market franchises to treat their core

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as if they don't have a chance
of retaining it just after they made this

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massive swing to do something that is
relative to the Calves being the Calves out

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of character. Knowing that Donto Mitchell
wanted to end up in New York,

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that was a risk, that was
an out of character move. I want

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teams to look at that risk award
profile and say, you know we're going

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to do it anyway. I want
a team to come out of left field

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and trade for Damian Lillard or to
trade for James Harden. And I want

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these teams in every single market,
I don't care where they are, to

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believe that they have a chance to
not just acquire these players, not just

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to win with them, but to
also win and keep them. And the

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best way to sell Donovan Mitchell on
a long term future in Cleveland is to

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win with Donovan Mitchell and I don't
think that's outside the realm of possibility this

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season when you're looking at the structure
of the Eastern Conference, Milwaukee right there.

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We haven't talked about them enough.
I believe I'll be having something up

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on them later this week. They
had a really good offseason, Gonna be

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super dangerous if they're healthy. Boston
very implosive by getting rid of Marcus mart

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having Kristaps porzingis they feel less versatile
on defense, They've lost some playmaking.

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They're going to be right there,
and then after that it's it's wide open.

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I mean, you're not gonna guarantee
the Knicks are going to be better

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than the Calves this year? Could
they be sure? You're not gonna guarantee

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it? The heat if they get
day maybe if they don't know, they're

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gonna be right in that just cluster
of teams where it's okay sort of what

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if here the Sixers? Who the
fuck knows what's going on with the Sixers?

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Is James Harden gonna be there?
Joel and be gonna be there?

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Where are they gonna look like?
If James Harden's there, is that worse

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for the team? How is he
gonna act once he reports the Calves could

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be better than them. If you
told me the Calves were number two in

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the East at the end of the
regular season next year, this is my

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surprise face. I don't have one. I'm not going to predict it,

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but it would not shock me at
all. I mean, maybe I will

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predict it. We need to see
when we get to predictions once this James

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Harden and Damian Liller stuff settles.
The degree to which I trust Boston is

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very little is let's just say that, or at least I'm morbidly cautious,

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curiously cautious, how do you want
to phrase it? And so, yes,

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it's not just about the regular season. How have they done enough to

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improve their postseason stock with the additions
of Max Strus and George Niang. I

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don't know. I think Streus is
a better defender than credited. I think

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people look at his three point percentage
thirty five percent last year and kind of

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the way he shot during the playoffs. They get a little if he he

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is functional, shooting some quick off
the dribble, stuff, can fly around

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in motion, he can play in
the playoffs. Yes, you would have

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ideally have wanted someone who defends like
Isaaca Coro and shoots like Max Strus.

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That move wasn't out there. And
look, depending on what type of season

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Isaaca Coro has, and if they
don't, I'm assuming they won't sign him

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to an extension, Like that's an
asset that you can attach on top of

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other salary. Can you just go
out and get someone else? So like,

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no, they're not going to be
in a position to trade a first

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round pick, but they have that
Carrastervert deal very digestible, the Ricky Rubio

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deal very digestible. They go out
and get someone like a Reggie Bullock if

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they needed to, and that's someone
who elevates their team even further. And

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we're just going to I have I
want to make this clear for cash and

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listening. I have zero cons about
Dono Mitchell, Darius Garland front court,

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backcourt. I just I can't get
there. I think Darius Garland Garland's gonna

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do a better job of even finding
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That would be my prediction. Him
and Dono Mitchell wol have had more

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time together the front court with Jared
Allen and Nevin Mobley. I have some

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concerns those two should be rebounding better
together. I don't know if Niang can

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come in and buy the let's say
Mobley without Alan lineups and make those into

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this rebounding force. That is something
to absolutely be concerned about, as is

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still the half court spacing with those
two on the floor. We also cannot

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just fail to cake in another year
of Evan Mobley's development. That guy,

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for his position is already probably like
an a passer, maybe an a passer,

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the stuff he is able to do
defensively. I had someone in our

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mentions who, even if they're listening, I don't know why they listen to

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this podcast because they seem to hate
me. They called me a careerist whose

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takes have no value. And I
follow the beat of everyone else's drum.

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I picked Evan Mobley for Defensive Player
of the Year. That is just I'm

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not gonna lock him in for that
again this year, but that is level

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he's already at on defense, or
we're just gonna think he's not gonna do

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some more things a little bit off
the dribble become more efficient on offense.

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Does he develop a stand still mid
range jumper. Do we see him take

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a little bit more threes this year. I probably wouldn't predict it like this

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is someone who was going into year
three, was already in the defensive player

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of the Year discussion, and has
been good enough on offense to date.

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But it's shown flashes of someone who
could be so much more like looking at

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someone who could put the ball on
the floor, not even just we need

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to run stuff through him at the
elbows and slow things down like no like

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grabb and go type shit, even
whether it's gonna be off a rebound or

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if you're gonna go in the half
court and have him really just try to

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orchestrate things from the top like he
has that at least when you look at

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him. Maybe he's not doing it
so efficiently right now or in higher volume,

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he has the ability if you maybe
want to stagger don and Mitchell and

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Darius got on even more this year, or sit both of them at the

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same time and have Carrosilverton Evin Mowbley
run some second units. Evan Mobley is

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going to give you that really ultra
high, limitless ceiling more so then a

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Jared Allen and Donovan Mitchell or Darius
Garland and look, if you really wanted

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to. You could move Jared Allen. That's a deal other teams would want.

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Could you do a big for wing
trade. That whole old Jiannaobe for

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Jared Allen stuff is kind of by
the wayside now that they have Yaka part

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over way too much money. In
my opinion, there are other moves this

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roster can make aside from deciding,
oh, like, if we don't win

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the title this year, Donovan Mitchell's
out. But let's just let's just say,

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let's assume worst case in there again. I want to be of the

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belief and I'm going to continue to
be until Donovan Mitchell says otherwise that he

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could resign in Cleveland, and I
firmly believe that if they win at a

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high level they sniffed the conference finals, which I fully believe that they are

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capable of doing. Even if I
don't know that I'll predict it this season,

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I'm going to believe that they have
a chance of keeping him. But

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let's just say I've crapped all over
the Blazers for not making the Damian Lillard

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trade decision on their own terms.
We just saw the value of doing it

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in Utah, where your stars didn't
request a trade, and whether Rudy Gobert

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had the cachet to do show or
not, whatever, Dono Mitchell absolutely did.

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They moved those guys before, ahead
of any trade request issues, and

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they were able to capitalize on it
in just to an unfathomable degree. I

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don't think they reset the superstar market, but they right situation, right time,

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found the right teams. These guys
as hold the right amount of years

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left on their deal. It worked
out right. Now if don and Mitchell,

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yes, there it could be you
keep him this year. He requests

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to trade next summer, technically one
year out from free agency. That's a

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problem. Are you going to get
You have to ask yourself if you're Cleveland

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again, we're just assuming the worst
case scenario, not predicting it. We're

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just assuming it. Here for a
minute, Are you gonna get that much

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more for Donovan Mitchell now with two
years guarantee years left on his deal than

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one? Honestly, the answer to
me would be no. Yeah, if

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you're looking to just send him to
somewhere, he doesn't want to go looking

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at what you did. But like
there are going to be other teams than

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the Knicks on his list. Miami
might be in there, depending on what

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assets they have left for Dame,
they'll be There'll be other teams you're going

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if you need to move him,
I would say that maybe you cost yourself

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a late first round pick by playing
out this season. That would just be

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my gut. I don't know what
team right now. Yeah, you're gonna

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let's let's use the Knicks as an
example. Anyway, if you decided to

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shop him again, Dono Mitchell is
probably gonna come out at this point and

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say, Okay, well now I'm
gonna be moved twice. I'm really gonna

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get my input here. The Jazz
kind of knew I want to go to

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the Knicks last time. I'm really
going to elevate that to you know,

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defcon one that I only want to
play for New York. They will give

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you the moon, they will make
and I like the Knicks, the Jann

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Brunton, Dono Mitchell back court.
Whatever you think about it. They were

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in on Donovan Mitchell after Jalen Brunton
signing. They will do it again.

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I don't know how much you get. It's probably not the equivalent of like

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seven or eight first round picks that
you gave up when you factor in Larry

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marketIn, but you're getting a bunch
of first And if you want Quentin Grimes,

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you're probably getting him. You want
RJ. Barrett, you're probably getting

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him. So I'm just not too
worried about that. And again, and

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if it's gonna cost you a first
round pick, whether it's gonna be the

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MAVs is or using that as an
example of that New York has or a

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Nick's own first round pick, I
want to play out this season. That

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was the whole point of making that
trade. You can't just say, oh,

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we didn't win in one year,
and we didn't trade for another star

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this year to make ourselves the title
favorite. So it's kind of a net

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failure and we need to take this
loss already. No, that's not why

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you make this trade. You understood
the risk. Give it more than a

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year, especially if he is not
indicated to you that he is not going

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to stay. And again, the
goal for any team should be to move

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on if they sense attendant that direction
before a player shrinks his market. The

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calves just aren't there yet as far
as we know. And to say that

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after a year again, Tim bontemps
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job he does covering the league.
I think it's a reasonable assumption to say,

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no, Donovan Mitchell was going to
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Knicks, or as of right now, he's not going to sign an extension.

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I think that's fair. But this
idea that the Calves should trade him,

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it's sort of presupposes that one you're
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team that's not the Knicks. Let's
say to go ahead and just do this

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anyway, and that there's just no
chance in hell of the Calves winning and

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or keeping Donovan Mitchell. And I
think that's really unfair to the group that

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is in Cleveland right now. They
are still young. Everyone who's the main

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part of their core has the opportunity
to get better. I think you can

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argue that Donovan Mitchell is the closest
to a finished product that they have.

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I might actually argue with Jared Allen
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we just saw Donovan Mitchell kind of
ratchet it up defensively this past year for

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Cleveland, and so knowing that he's
still in the improvement, but knowing that

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at least two let's let's move the
needle down further. Knowing at least two

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of your core guys and Darius Garland
ever Mobiley have the ability to improve.

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Bet on yourself. You did it
last summer, Continue to do it now.

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We know they're not going to trade
him, at least unless he sort

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of agitates for out. If things
go awry this season, you can reevaluate

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it to tread trade deadline if you
need to. But this team is good

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enough as currently constructed to win the
whole damn thing, or at least come

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out of the East. You don't
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it, especially when you're looking at
the larger landscape, specifically of the Eastern

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Conference. Right now, there's a
ton of parody in the league. The

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Cows are part of that parody.
They had a pretty bad playoff showing against

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the Knicks. There is value in
learning from that, especially when you're looking

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at a guy like Darius Garland and
Evan Mobilely never getting the playoff reps before

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you did some things to improve the
roster here. The Cows are going to

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be better. They see more playoff
proof, and they are absolutely capable of

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winning the whole damn thing, or
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So no, you do not trade
Donovan Mitchell. That is way too

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premature, especially given how much you
just surrendered to get him, and just

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how early you are in this process. There was nothing last year you look

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at and say, wow, they
really flopped with Donovan Mitchell's. Time to

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move on from him. I can't
get there. If things go wrong.

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We can talk again at the trade
deadline. More likely, I'm saying we

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need to see this through it till
next summer. You can recalibrate, reevaluate.

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Then Right now, my stance is, and I think everyone's stance should

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be, you keep Donovan Mitchell because
you were absolutely capable if things break right,

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which is what every team basically needs
to say of winning the East or

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conference. Until next time, and
as always, please remember to subscribe and

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shout out to the one, the
only, the indelible, the player who

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could potentially put the Calves or any
other team over the top if they sign

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him. Frank Nila
