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yeah, yeah, it's the twenty
sixth day of September twenty twenty three,

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past the day that some people in
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was supposed to end. I mean, it wasn't a rapture or anything,

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but something crazy was supposed to happen
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say no. And apparently doomsday'smen moved
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We're not supposed to make it the
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said, y'all on the air.
I've been living in Georgia too long.

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Don't worry. We're gonna get from
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the logos locations networks and provocations have
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might take a break depending on how
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my friend regular Joe has returned and
we picked a topic well as we

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connected tonight to go with. Now, I had a couple of ideas.

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I definitely got tons of ideas,
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are going to go into the Friday
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the way. This week had to
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have been done earlier in the day. I've got a few other guests lined

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up and a few other possibilities lined
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country man Blind Joe and he'll be
on video. Why not let's put the

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two blind guys on video and see
what happens instead of three blind mice,

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how about two blind guys and two
mics. Anyway, forget it, regular

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Joe. How's things down there in
well? According to the video you sent

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me one of the poorest counties or
the poorest county in the country, although

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Harlan disputed that on Friday when I
brought it up, because you happen to

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live in a little place called McCreary
there, don't you do. McCreary County.

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It's very poorary, a very rural. It usually always makes the top

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five list of the chorest counties in
Kentucky. And sorry about that big acorn

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just fell on my roof. Wow, that was an acorn. Yeah,

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they're really big this year. That
sounded like a bowling ball hitting the ports

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Mad acorn of poem or que ball
at least Jesus all right, I'm sorry

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I was distracted by that. Anyway, back to it. McCreary, as

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you said, almost always makes the
top five of the poorest counties in Kentucky,

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and by by way of that,
since Kentucky itself is fairly poor,

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usually makes the top five of the
poorest in the nation. This video I

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sent you that they're they're calling it
v Porus, but it usually gets beat

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out by like Howsley County or something
much slightly northeast of here. Excellent deserves

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around Hi. Applause, there you
go go ahead. Yeah, but it's

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just business as usual here. The
new sheriff that came in the last election

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cycle, however long that's been,
seems to be cracking down more than the

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previous one did. And there's not
as many missing people popping up here as

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the ones where And let me tell
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the deep dark hills in McCoury County, you're gone. You gotta love how

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an improvement in your mind is,
well, there's less missing people now.

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Yeah. And you know the guy
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to explore his channel a little.
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into the most dangerous hood you never
heard of, hanging with the gangster disciples,

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even though I'm a white guy.
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literally did a song or an album
I forget which that he called the Black

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KKK. You know, stuff like
that. And then he goes out in

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the woods with people, Hey,
this is the place with the most guns

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in America. How how deep and
white is Idaho? I think was one

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of his videos. I don't know. It was crazy stuff, but he

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likes to go places where it's like, look, man, this is a

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real poor place. And make no
mistake, I'm not making jokes here.

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McCreary's got some rough looking spots stuff
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Like, you know, the motel
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apparently people live there. I like
the one story you know, Oh that

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girl over there, Yeah she got
pre rent because the roof fell in on

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her house. Yeah, that's actually
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motel, that was just an old
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and operated it for most of my
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think his family continued any upkeep.
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collect a check. And I gotta
say, it looks like an old motel

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instead of an apartment complex, and
people are living in boxes there, man,

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I mean little tiny, teeny places. And he goes, yeah,

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well, you know, I can
rent a place here for three hundred dollars,

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which is great price wise, But
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the fact that people are breaking into
each other's houses left and right, I

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don't know what they're looking to steal
outside of the garbage that's laying in some

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of the abandoned apartments. I guess
we'll call them. But stuff like that,

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plus guys sitting there going, yeah, there's nothing, dude in the

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woods, but drink and shoot your
guns, and hey, let's go ahead

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and just drift around with the car
and do like, you know, sliding

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skids And I guess that's a tokyo
drift or whatever. I mean, it

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wasn't that way in the nineties.
This place has really declined since the two

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thousands, either since the turn of
the millennium. The place just really declined.

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The opioid epidemic hit in the nineties
and it was really bad, and

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then it got the local doctor feel
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of his unnecessary med's out of his
clinic, which cut down on the opioids,

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which but just made meth and heroin
explode. Well see that's the thing

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I mean. When I brought this
up with Harlan, I said, clearly

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the opioid epidemic had done some damage
there. But here's the reality in a

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place like that. Yeah, what
happens is the pills come through, then

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the pill mill gets popped, and
yeah, all of a sudden heroin becomes

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available and whoops, that's cheaper and
a little year to get your hands on.

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I mean, you don't even have
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So that but and I brought that
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well, it's really the math.
Actually, the meth is what did it.

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Yeah, the meth did this place, and it really did, and

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it's it's still it's still really bad. We're starting to have a fairly large

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homeless population. And these folks just
set up in tents behind like Arby's and

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stuff like that, and you can't
blame them. And then they're talking about,

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well, how about you guys go
get a job, and yeah,

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we'll get seven fifteen hours for lucky
and oh, by the way, I

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gotta go out of town to go
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oh yeah, there's there's nothing here. There's like, there's like one

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factory and the rest of it's just
retail. I mean, there there are

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no opportunities here. I've lived here
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travel to work. As a matter
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Tennessee. Recently, she's been in
Nashville and Georgia, but she's she's about

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to be working in out in the
city Tennessee. Well, if she came

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anywhere near Making, I'd tell her
to stop buy, I'd say hi,

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and at least give her a cup
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she can say hi to the little
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the works she's got is in Tennessee. They may travel a little further south

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in the inner time, but mostly
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Tennessee. The further south she's made
it is Jackson and Chattanooga. Okay,

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well, look, at some point, I mean, I know you don't

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really want to leave your holler there, but but I'd love to love to

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see you over here. And I
even considered moving to McCreary at one point,

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telling the audience that not you,
Joe, because you know it,

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but considered moving there because I don't
have any friends here and Making really so

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I want to go move where my
friends are, but I don't think I

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can afford Florida, where you know, our our mutual friend Captain Tripps is

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yeah, you know, and I
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The way it looks. But I
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live somewhere in McCreary. But would
I want to bring my family to the

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places I can afford? That's another
question. I mean, the one guy

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who was living at a literal motel
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I want to get off of this
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we'd mentioned it since it was mentioned
already on Friday. But the thing is,

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you know, the one guy was
living in a motel going yeah,

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I'm a recovering drug addict and I
work from home. Because what was he

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doing? Tech support for Apple products
or something? And I was like,

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if people knew that the guy who
was giving him tech support looked like this

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guy, like nobody would walk up
to him at a kiosk in the mall

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and be like, hey, let
me ask you a question about They'd look

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at him and go, yeah,
never mind, I'm gonna find another Apple

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guy. You know. Strangely enough, I don't know that guy, but

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on the video of the very last
guy that he and I do have to

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mention this before we move on.
The very last guy that he interviewed,

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the one with the red and black
shirt on right, I know him.

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I've known him my entire life,
and I don't want to say his name

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on air, but I know his
first name, last name, everything.

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I've known him my entire life,
and he is a registered sixth offender.

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Oh nice. Well, here's the
thing, though, is that because of

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the limited population in that town.
I mean, it stands the reason that

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if this guy decided to interview ten
or twenty people, you stand to know

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at least one of them just by
living. Yeah, exactly, because I've

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been here all of my forty seven
I'm in my forty eighth year, but

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I'm forty seven years old and I've
lived here in this area my entire life.

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So yeah, if you're going to
pop up on a video, I'm

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probably gonna know who you are.
True enough, true enough. So look,

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we could get into some news tonight, and I'm gonna give you an

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example of that. But guess what
we used to do this thing called regular

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guy news, and what that led
to was generally us going, you know,

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we could cover all this stuff,
but never mind, screw it.

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And that's kind of what's gonna happen
to night. So spoiler right there anyway,

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in my hopper, and what might
come up on Friday and who knows

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when else. But since his regular
Joe time, I'm gonna do it his

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way. And I know he's not
really following the news feeds lately, although

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when he does I love his analysis. Figure. I'll just blast you with

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some of the stuff you've been ignoring
regular Joe. Sound good to you?

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Okay, yeah, sure, okay. So from let's see ZM science dot

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com, apparently China is facing an
alarming m pox outbreak. You know,

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monkey pox never went away. You
and I were talking about this probably two

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years ago, about the possible coming
of the monkey apocalypse pox or pox apocalypse,

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or however you want to put it
right, monkeypox elips. Here we

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go. And how about this from
undark dot org. All right, a

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toxic legacy? What America left behind
in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, I'm just reading

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headlines and maybe subheadlines, And the
subheadline on this one is Afghans say the

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US military polluted their land, poison
their water, and sicken their children.

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I mean, not to mention the
fact that they occupied there for so very,

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very long. And of course the
disastrous exit strategy, which was no

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strategy, has come up an issue
in the coming twenty twenty four selection pregame

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shows, which will be running all
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you, into the next On top
of it, let's see what else we

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got? Good lord, what is
the name of this website? I thought

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I had a handle on it.
Let's see trending now from the Messenger,

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Okay, from the Messenger, and
I think it's the messenger dot com.

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Yes, indeed it is. Fox
and Friends insist there is nothing in US

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constitution about freedom from religion. The
conservative network Personalities naturally faced backlash on social

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media et cetera, et cetera.
That was published on the twenty fifth Let's

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see now twenty five that was yesterday. Wow, interesting story running there?

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What else we box says there's no
freedom from religion? That I hear that

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correctly. Apparently that's what the headline
says. You know. Oh and by

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the way, that on my front
you know, yeah, well, I'm

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sure you want to put that on
a metal sign and put it right out

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there with you know, trespassers may
indeed be shot. I actually do have

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that sign hanging on trespass at your
own risk. Anyways, let's just go

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to the AP feed and get it
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can, unlike different people's attempts to
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the fact that of course, yet
again this week pretty alarming, a forty

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one year old woman was found in
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she was dead after being homeless for
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of course, plarta. Anyway,
back to the AP and this AP wire

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update. I get these, you
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fifty different news services every day because
I'm signed up. I want to make

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sure I don't lose track of anything
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my job to inform you guys about
what information is out there, so I

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do it. Anyway, before we
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You're ready for this run, regular, Joe, Oh yeah, I'm ready.

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Okay, so let's try not to
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although this is comical, but this
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by the way, I saw headlines
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but happened to be real, including
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dark petunias coming soon from your friends, you know that do GMO work,

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and various pig transplant stories about people
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pigs and they're working out fine,
even though they transplanted a kidney into a

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brain dead guy and the guy lived
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saying anyway, there is pig news
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one of those trusted news services out
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reliably usually at least gets most of
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so much on the AP. That's
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I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys
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sent to me three hours ago according
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realize it was that long ago.
But anyway, most recent update, Judge

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rules Donald Trump defrauded banks insurers as
he built real estate empire. That is

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about a story in New York where
indeed Trump and his businesses were again on

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the record as having been fraudulent,
but pay no attention to that because it's

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all a witch hunt, right,
and it's all politics, and it couldn't

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be possible that a guy like that
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in real estate New York or no, not at all. I'm imagining stuff

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anyway, The Supreme Court will let
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black voters. JP Morgan will pay
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enabled Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking operations.
And I'll follow up on that headline.

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JP Morgan Chase has agreed to pay
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settle claims that the bank enabled the
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Most of the settlement will go toward
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the story continues more. Maybe I'll
give you guys links in the show notes

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to this stuff. But this is
a real story. It's happening. And

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oh, by the way, that
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This is one of the logical outcomes
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Islands that I kept talking about that
nobody had information on. Well, finally

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some movement and they're going to hold
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I guess to most people that would
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Sort of inconvenient, but hey,
it is what it is. Anyway,

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Moving along, what else we got? Canada's House speaker resigns over inviting

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a man who fought for a Nazi
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had a guy there, they honored
him, and yeah, let's see,

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let's read the subheadline. The speaker
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inviting a man who fought for a
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parliament to attend a speech by Ukrainian
President Vladimir Zolinski. Vlodomir Zolinski. Funny

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thing there. You know, I'm
not all for the everything is justified,

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you know, because nazis Ukraine.
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that's a thing, I would be
more careful about my guest list and really

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make sure that I'm quite a boot
making the whole thing not happen. That

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way as that way, nobody stuck
saying I'm sorry. Yeah, you don't

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have to say I'm sorry. Holzer, Okay, moving along, Biden urges

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striking auto workers to stick with it
in picket line visit unparalleled in history,

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you know, the United Auto Workers. Biden is there and they're making they're

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splashing the headline everywhere. He's joining
a picket line. Does he know what

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a picket is? Does he know
what a line is? Does he know

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what joint is? Does he know
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Between the confused ramblings from him and
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the Middle East or the Iraq War, depending on how you read it,

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you know, late his speech from
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said. If you actually pay attention
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it might sound like he's a little
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he raises his shoulder and twitches when
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that. Trump is totally healthy,
even though he's just about as old as

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old Joe over there. And I'm
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oldest of men. Well, we
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our real topic, but order on
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four years between Trump and Biden,
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Biden was too old. I agree. I agree, he's not very cognitive

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because very old, I said,
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runs again in twenty twenty four,
he'll be too old too. Yeah.

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than both of them, definitely comes
across as a lot more coherent, just

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saying yeah, well, you know, all all one really has to do

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is observe your society objectively and you'll
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of course, of course. And
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realize that, look, if he's
on my side, his glitch is just

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a glitch to pay no attention,
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his glitch is disqualifying. I mean, that's just the reality of I don't

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know the twenty first century, but
anyway, I can't. I still can't

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understand how people can align totally with
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no sense. So back to the
ap onion California governor signs law raising taxes

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on guns and ammunition to pay for
school safety. Yes, real headline all

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right now, as climate change in
high costs. This is a different headline

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as climate change in high costs plague
Alaska's fisheries. Fewer young people take up

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the trade anyway. Cassidy Hutchinson's The
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a bonfire from burning papers. That
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also Cassidy Hutchinson's made some other headlines
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straight up stuck his hand under her
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you know, after watching him in
that scene in bow Rat. What was

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it last year? I don't know
too, maybe three years ago now,

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I think two three years ago,
the bull Rat sequel where he's got the

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teenage girl in there and he says
he was adjusting his microphone in his pants

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when he was laying on a bit. Anyway, let's just get back to

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it. Taylor Swift is a fan
of Travis Keis, and suddenly so is

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everyone else. I don't know who
that is, what that is? Why

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do I care? What Taylor Swift
is a fan of Not Sure, but

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the AP published. Okay, so
here's the funny thing about this ages thing.

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And I'm not not doing any more
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because we are going to dispatch with
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me just ask you about this observation. I have you and I are in

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the same generational bracket. I mean
we can agree on that. I'm fifty

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one now, you said forty seven, right, yep, yes, that's

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great, seventy two respectively, right
there you go, right, uh and

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and and that's that's fair enough.
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was interesting. They were saying when
we were growing up, when we were

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very young people. You know,
around this time when people are complaining about

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the whatever they call them Z generation, I don't even know what they are

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anymore. But the latest generation,
the just turning eighteen, going into their

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twenties, legal drinking age, maybe
crowd, right, that's either the baby

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millennials or the elders ease something right
anyway, It's like, oh, look

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at them, they don't care about
anything. There this and that. You

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know, it's funny because I remember
our generation was supposedly so apathetic that they

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felt like, you know what,
We're very worried that these people are going

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to be so lazy, so disconnected, so not caring, because they're gonna

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stare like zombies at the TV and
that's all they're gonna do. They're gonna

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be beavis and butthead just growing up
there getting bald and fat and diabetic while

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they stare at the same TV for
the next couple of decades. Were they

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far off? Yeah, quite a
bit. But one thing you'll notice is

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why is everybody in a position of
power? Why or most of the CEOs,

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Why are all the key politicians,
et cetera, et cetera, et

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cetera. Why are they all baby
boomer our parents and grandparents generations effectively?

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And I know from the South,
I'm from the Northeast, but I'm from

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a trashy part of the Northeast,
So could even ded be our great grandparents

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depending on how fast we decided to
push out them babies. Anyway, either

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way, that's the generation still holding
the reins of power because our generation kind

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of didn't show up for that.
We really had an odd emotional breakdown in

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the nineties. We did. It
was it was almost and I've described this

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to my children many times. The
nineties were almost like a miniat your sixties.

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There weren't as many protests. There
was no Vietnam, but and there

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weren't There wasn't quite as much free
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So, yeah, that's something.
It was like, you know,

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in the sixties, rebel without a
cause. Right, it was, We're

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gonna have a rebellion because the establishment
is trying to send us off to war.

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Man, they're all trying to make
us, you know, the same

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man. And the yippies turned into
the hippies, who turned into of course,

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a lot of people claimed to be
Hippie that were nowhere near you know,

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like the eight billion people that were
allegedly at Woodstock. Now you know,

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everybody claims to have been there,
even though there wasn't that many people

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there, et cetera, et cetera. Right, they had Woodstock, we

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had live aid. They certainly had
more revolutionary, colorful things, more innovation,

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because for the first time ever,
certain things happened, the landing on

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the moon, if you believe it
happened, Okay, okay, okay.

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The Cold War was definitely at its
peak of turbulence there keeping people occupied,

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and sure they wanted to turn people
into establishment, and people rebelled against it,

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and you had the law and order. Let's get back and make America

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great again. People. Except they
supported a guy named Nixon back then around

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the time you and I were born. Except well, wait a minute,

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by the time you were born,
for its president already, because yeah,

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he's on four years between us Man's
that's the oh aborted fetus cycle that we

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call the American political system, right, So seventy two was an election year,

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and so was seventy six, So
there you have it. In seventy

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two when I'm born, Nixon is
re selected and doesn't fill out his term

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because Watergate. Ford was actually not
elected, you know, No, Ford,

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there's the other thing. Ford had
been appointed to be the vice president

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because he was a Speaker of the
House, I believe, and whatever it

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was. He was a congressman representative
from Michigan. And then the next thing,

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you know, is he ends up
being president because Spiro Agnew had to

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go because the tax of Asion,
and then Nixon resigned because he didn't want

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to give up his tapes, and
Watergate, the thing that would brand every

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political scandal there after whatever gate,
Okay, even though that makes zero sense.

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Okay, I mean today, if
Watergate happened, you'd literally have to

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call it watergate gate because it would
be to add a gate to it.

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And therefore it's now a high level
of political scandal. But the country changed.

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So Carter is elected or selected in
seventy six, but doesn't take office

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still seventy seven. H Nixon is
re selected in seventy two and you know,

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begins second term seventy three, doesn't
finish it. Ford finishes it out

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and pardons his ass on you know, Nixon's way out the door, first

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official act. I think maybe if
it wasn't the first, I mean,

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they might have had to get him
to change. I don't know that the

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seat covers in the oval office or
something. Something I'm sure came first,

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right, some decision first, highly
publicized one, we'll put it that way,

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fair enough, the first deal there. And of course he was part

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of a deal too, because it
was sort of like, okay, I

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mean, even though they said there
was no deal, just like always,

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no, we've made no pre arrangement. Of course, we didn't discuss this

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at all, Just so happens we
had the paperwork sitting here in the drawer

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ready and it's almost all filled out. I just got a stamp it.

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Okay. Yeah, So our generation
kind of took up the mantle that it's

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it's y'all screwed it and you expect
us to fix it and it's not gonna

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happen. But there you go.
We kind of said, you guys screwed

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this up, and we ain't gonna
fix it. Matter of fact, we

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are gonna sit here and be ride
this out. We're gonna be Davis and

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butthead. We're gonna sit here,
watch TV and comment. And we did,

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and we watched dumb things like MTV. Some of us if we could

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get cable, yea, and if
we could a long time to get cable

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here. I was well in high
school before cable reached where I lived.

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I remember even in New Jersey,
it was coming to, coming to and

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showing up. I mean, by
the time we got to the mid eighties,

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it was pretty much everywhere. But
when I was a little kid,

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like cable was like wow, do
you have cable? Yeah, it was

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a big big deal, and some
people had satellite dishes, but again,

406
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you had that money for that anyways, whatever it was, even if we

407
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.000
were gonna, you know, play
with the rabbit ears and put the tinfoil

408
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.920
on the box and stare at the
black and white and try, and you

409
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.400
know, play, can you make
out what it is? If the wind

410
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.400
doesn't blow, right, yeah,
And hope that the wind doesn't blow or

411
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.960
somebody doesn't touch it, or the
dog doesn't bark too loud, because you'll

412
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.000
lose your channel or you'll end up
having a If you were in Jersey,

413
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.839
we might end up having to switch
to the Philly channels instead of New York

414
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.680
because they'll come in better because the
way the wind's blowing. Anyway. You

415
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.599
know, I'm this whole gen X
thing. I've got to tell you what

416
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:25.519
the strangest phenomenon that I've noticed about
gen X is. Okay, tell me

417
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:32.279
the younger generations don't know we exist. See, when I was out working

418
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:36.960
in retail, my fellow crew members
all called me because they were all,

419
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.799
you know, in their mid twenties. Some of them may be in their

420
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.559
late twenties, so you know,
clearly millennials, and they called me a

421
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.559
boomer constantly, And I'm like,
what's wrong with your generation? Man?

422
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.440
You do not realize that my mom
is a boomer. There is a whole

423
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.920
generation after that called gen X.
They're like, no, you're just a

424
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.960
boomer because you're old. I'm like, no, you're misusing it, man.

425
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.799
But there you go. They don't
have to know the particulars because all

426
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.599
they gotta do is ask Serie.
She'll fill it out for him. The

427
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.920
thing is, we can complain about
them, and they can complain about us

428
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.359
and not even realize we exist.
That's all fine and dandy, but there's

429
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.079
a giant gap there in time,
which, by the way, I argue

430
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.759
with you even using the word millennial, because that changed, right, it

431
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.440
was supposed to be Why now right? I mean X y Z. That

432
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.839
doesn't sound very promising, does it? Well? Yeah, where do you

433
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:32.519
go next? Right? Double z? Let's go back around to a generation

434
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.400
A, and what will they?
You know how I am about the reset?

435
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.000
But then if we're going to be
doing anything, it's gonna be resetting

436
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.559
and going back to generation A.
Well, why not? Right? And

437
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.240
why not just skip one and just
say look, the first thing was you

438
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.559
know, doesn't count mulligan? Okay, so B, let's start with B.

439
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.279
Why not? The thing is,
I don't even hardly care about it.

440
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.519
Except the funny thing is millennial has
changed, right, because originally millennial

441
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.519
is supposed to be people born around
two thousand at the millennium, right,

442
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.119
you know, the alleged millennium,
which up to like eighty three eight four.

443
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:12.400
Yes, yes, somehow their generation
got a larger swath of time than

444
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.839
ours did. I don't know how
that happened. I don't need it.

445
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.160
And some of us kind have been
teenage parents of some of these millennials,

446
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:29.000
right, But we just birthing children
later, or birthing fewer of them.

447
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:34.000
I mean, has reproduction slowed and
that typically happens in an over sixth society,

448
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:38.119
which we certainly are and have been
for since since I've been alive,

449
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:44.359
well for the past almost decade,
there have been nothing but the descending rates

450
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.720
of sperm and birth around the world, especially in western nations. As much

451
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.559
as people also want to tell us
about the overpopulation, the truth is,

452
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.000
mathematically, you know, like in
America, we shouldn't be worried about overpopulation

453
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.920
unless you want to add immigration to
the equation, because we're not having babies

454
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.160
at that rate anymore, our replacement
rate. I don't think it's even being

455
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.759
met now, replacement rate means that
there's two people that get together, they

456
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.599
make two babies, so they replace
themselves in the equation. Right, that's

457
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:20.000
not even happening now. For every
two people, there's less than two people

458
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:24.880
being born that were born here.
So there's that. But I want to

459
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.079
get back to the attitude and the
interesting part, and how is it you

460
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.119
can ignore a generation, because you've
got a great point there. We are

461
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.559
ignored, and we're ignored by the
younger generation, and even our parents generation

462
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.440
kind of ignores us, like we
don't count anymore, which is about me

463
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.759
of the JP s Atilly catch line. I was raised by a pack of

464
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:51.559
wild televisions. Well, but our
generation was raised by network and cable TV.

465
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.920
Yeah, but why because our parents
couldn't be home. There was no

466
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:01.000
way to have one parent working and
have the other parents stay home. And

467
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.720
you had that that you know,
leave it to beaver arrangement, knew.

468
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.920
Good, Okay, I've broke that
down before with the whole MAGA crowd that

469
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.599
they're talking about what TV was when
they were making TV about the fifties,

470
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.400
not what real life in the fifties
was. Yeah, well there's that,

471
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.599
but indeed, mathematically you could send
one person out to work and keep one

472
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.920
person home. That is, indeed, if you could keep two people together,

473
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:35.880
which again didn't last very long outside
of the fifties. And I guess

474
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.920
people started to romanticize it because at
least, you know, the Cleavers weren't

475
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.200
getting divorced. The Brady bunch well, and we don't know what happened to

476
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.960
the first Missus Brady exactly, but
she and around no more. They blended

477
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.640
a family and they weren't going nowhere, even though we now know that mister

478
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.480
Brady was definitely not as interested in
Missus Brady as he might have been in

479
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:04.240
some other individuals and such. But
irrelevant, okay, not relevant to the

480
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.400
discussion. The fantasy on TV is
one thing, but the reality we didn't

481
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:13.039
have two parent homes. It just
wasn't that way for one reason or another,

482
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.400
whether it was our dad was a
Vietnam bat or you know, in

483
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.559
my case, it's pretty extreme.
My dad, you commit suicide. He's

484
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.000
gone. So I have stepdads,
but they don't stick around even all that

485
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.599
long. Things go on, brother, it is what it is, and

486
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.559
we devolved, and people say,
oh, the death of the family unit

487
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.760
is the thing that's destroyed the country, and so on and so forth.

488
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:37.480
But I will tell you that it
was a bit of a problem for our

489
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:42.199
generation because nobody knew how to cope
with it. Now, we don't show

490
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.400
up in these leadership positions. We
didn't go to go join the establishment so

491
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.239
quickly, most of us. I
mean, indeed, we still have our

492
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.360
guys that wanted to join the military
and be part of that culture. And

493
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.320
we have other people that want to
be part of this culture or that culture

494
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.559
and became part of the tech culture, etc. But the truth is,

495
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.280
then when it comes to leadership roles
and taking on those mantles and actually being

496
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.960
leaders, they kind of just said, nah, you know what the old

497
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.920
man's mind, Let him keep doing
it. Right. However, our generation

498
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:22.039
did participate strongly in what I consider
to be the last good mass produced music.

499
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.360
Ah See, now here is where
the worm turns, so to speak,

500
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.119
artistically, Right, what are we
also slapped with? If indeed you

501
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.079
recognized there was a generation X,
A lot of people think of us as

502
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:42.360
the grunge generation. I'll take that. I take it, but not necessarily

503
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.840
because of the music. I'll take
the grunge thing based on the fact that

504
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.400
a bunch of guys said, you
know what this hole like, having your

505
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.440
hair blown out and you know,
looking having more makeup on your face than

506
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.519
the average hooker, and wearing more
weather pants so tight you can tell what

507
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.920
you're PA's religion was. Yeah,
you know, more glitter than is that

508
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.880
an average seventies discotech. There's a
word for you to look up, boys

509
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.440
and girls, disco tech. That
was the thing. More glitter, more

510
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.119
sequence on stuff and all that.
It was getting ridiculous. Okay, the

511
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:22.440
corporate rock scene had swallowed almost everything, including some of the better metal acts

512
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.599
of the day. They were all
glammy and ridiculous looking. I mean,

513
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.280
I love Ozzy Osbourne, but if
you look back at the ultimate Sin era

514
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.400
where he's wearing stuff that looks like
blouses with sequence and everything else he's trying

515
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.079
to fit in with his hair teased
out. You know, the giant cans

516
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.280
of aquinet than most women carried around
in their purses back then. And I

517
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.760
do mean women as in what was
a woman to me, which was a

518
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.599
teenage girl when I was a teenager, All of them had cans of aquinet

519
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.760
in a bag. Yes, it
was just a thing and it wasn't just

520
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.920
big hair and jersey. It was
a national obsession. Yes, it was

521
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.760
everywhere. And the girls here in
the late eighties early nineties had the gigantic

522
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.079
pooped up bangs, you know,
right right. Well, not only did

523
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.199
they have the gigantic pooped up bangs, but one thing I noticed about girls

524
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.480
from the South, they definitely they
knew when to say when about a lot

525
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.159
of things, but not I make
up a lot of them were just like,

526
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.679
you know what, if an ounce
of eyeshadow is good, three ounces

527
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:31.159
gotta be better. And they would
have ridiculous amounts of eyeliner, eyeshadow misties.

528
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.960
You know, people talk about smoky
eyed looks and everything else. The

529
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.880
women in the eighties and the girls
in the eighties did obscene things to their

530
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.440
eye sockets. You know what I
mean. Mascara too, Oh yeah,

531
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.199
the mascara, so much mascara that
it would literally destroy their uh what do

532
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.239
you call eyelashes? Okay, they
would be like caked up pieces of it

533
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.519
in between the lashes. Yeah,
I mean. Previous to that, Lucile

534
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.360
Balld did weird things and you know, pluck. The women would pluck their

535
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.559
eyebrows to such a degree, and
all that crazy things started to happen,

536
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.280
and to me, the beauty of
deciding to take a razor to more than

537
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.199
your legs and armpits came into vogue
in the nineties two. I liked that,

538
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.960
but that wasn't all the grunge girls
now back to it. When you

539
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.920
have that sort of thing coming out
of the corporate world, what's supposed to

540
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:28.039
be pretty, the fashion magazines,
et cetera, et cetera. You know,

541
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.400
there's always going to be a revolt
at a certain point. Older people,

542
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.920
and I mean way older people that
were still talking to me about the

543
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.719
Great Depression back then, tell me
things like, you know, one day

544
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.840
there's gonna be a bunch of young
people. And it came true recently.

545
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.280
There's gonna be a lot of young
people that are going to be super conservative,

546
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.800
and that's going to be their rebellion, like in other words, to

547
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:58.400
go to more conservative, less wild
sexually against abortion, against free love,

548
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.199
against this and that again and swimming
dressing wild blah blah blah blah bla bla

549
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:06.559
blah blah blah. That is going
to become a significant group of young people.

550
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.559
And I said, I'll come on, what young person is gonna want

551
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:15.000
to embrace being straight laced. Well, they had me there, I gotta

552
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.719
tell you, because we now have
a bunch of young people who do come

553
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:27.440
out and have decided that they are
disciples of the conservatism that they think exists.

554
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.480
I'm gonna leave that there for now, because again, I don't want

555
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.119
to focus on the kids and what's
wrong with them and all their wonderful slabs

556
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.079
and fondle slabs of choice and applicable
applications and what it is how they're doing

557
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:44.039
cyber dating and whatnot. I don't
want to go there. But TikTok is

558
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:51.400
corn. You remember when you put
on paper man porn? Yeah, the

559
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.960
kind of thing that you had to
find under your stepdad's bed, and if

560
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.960
you found a real Jackpott, it
was one that he didn't want your mom

561
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.840
to see, you know, And
you could keep that one so long as

562
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.119
you keep your mouth shut. Yeah, stuff like that, or you had

563
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:10.480
to surreptitiously obtain a videotape. Yeah. Crazy stuff. By these younger ones

564
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.000
that I got to talk to when
I was out working in the public.

565
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:20.880
They were either asexual or gay.
Not not conservative. I mean, they're

566
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:25.880
they're quite liberal the ones that I
have encountered. But asexual or gay,

567
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.079
well, see, that's the other
explorer. The hyper availability of pornography has

568
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.400
something to do with that. Well. But see, but that's the other

569
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:38.480
extreme that emerges from the logical equation
because again, even though we're talking about

570
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:44.599
Generation X, it was not just
a homogeneous group. Even when grunge became

571
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.840
a thing, Let's get honest,
I didn't like it at first. I

572
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.719
was against it. I thought it
was killing rock and roll because all of

573
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.639
a sudden, Yeah, there were
guys coming out of nowhere wearing stuff that

574
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.039
looked like I bought at the second
hand store, because that's where they were

575
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:07.360
going to shop. Literally. And
not only that, but some of their

576
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.840
music was so basic and really a
lot of it crap. El soo,

577
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.159
you're talking about Nirvana and Pearl Jam
right now, not even there. I'm

578
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.840
talking about the precursors to them before
the corporate world grabbed a hold of them,

579
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:27.920
when runs just started to emerge.
One of the main precursors was Soundgarden

580
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.039
then, right, because they were
around in the mid eighties, maybe even

581
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.920
the early eighties. I think they
just didn't take hold until after the Cobain

582
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.639
phenomenon. Yeah, this comes to
what mud Honey, Blind Melon, and

583
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:44.400
indeed Sound Garden might have come in
there, but this is at a point

584
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:45.960
in time in which these guys were
like, you know what, you know

585
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.480
those old uniform shirts that people wear
gas stations. We're just gonna buy old

586
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.119
ones of those. Even if it
doesn't have my name on it, it's

587
00:41:54.119 --> 00:42:00.360
got a name patch beautiful. That
is now my new cultural statement. Even

588
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.599
though I don't work at the gas
station, I'm gonna wear the gas pumper

589
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.679
shirt, whether it fits right or
not. And why not a flannel shirt?

590
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.320
Those are always cheap and readily available. I mean every kmart certainly had

591
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.239
them, not a problem. So
you looked that way, and a lot

592
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.039
of the music, even the stuff
now you're talking about recognizable names, but

593
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.239
there were tons of them out there
that were just coming and going that weren't

594
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:29.039
taking hold, but they were creating
something. Now, is that all of

595
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.039
us? No, Because I was
still a metal head and there were other

596
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:37.119
people that were definitely into the pop
music of the time. God help us

597
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:43.119
all in the late eighties, okay, and yeah, that's that's when even

598
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:47.320
the hair metal they got so ridiculous. In the late eighties with their vocals,

599
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.320
because it was like the vocalist had
to be able to actually sound like

600
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.559
a woman. Yeah. Then it
just got more ridiculous and more ridiculous with

601
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:04.239
bands like Firehouse feal Heart that were
just shameless knockoffs that can happen, happen

602
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.440
to have a vocalist that could sing
higher than the previous ones that looked just

603
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:12.719
like a faster pussy cat. Oh
terrible stuff. Man. Well here here

604
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.119
Cinderella, Oh awful sin See.
Now here's the funny thing. Tom Keeper

605
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:24.320
is actually a fairly talented guitarist,
but you know his stuff. Sha man,

606
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.960
I am doing a fair approximation of
the book that was that was actually

607
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.079
a fair cover right there, my
friend. Now that's day. Is the

608
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.199
thing about the hair bands though,
even though they came up with the atrocious

609
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.360
ballads and the terrible, high pitched
squeals that were woman like, many of

610
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:47.800
them did produce some pretty fantastically talented
guitar players occasionally. And here's the other

611
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.119
thing that was happening at the time. All of a sudden, guns and

612
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.920
roses was a phenomena. And now
some people would say, oh, don't

613
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.480
you start on guns and Roses.
Sorry I got because remember Axel Rose was

614
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:07.599
a weird guy. Definitely went all
sorts of rock star right away. And

615
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:12.760
you know, I know everybody loves
Welcome to the Jungle, but you know,

616
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.039
okay, yeah, yeah, Now
Axel's an acquired taste. And you've

617
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:23.880
got to know the guy's a nutcase
when his name's Bill Bailey, but he

618
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:28.639
comes out with a name that if
you rearrange the letters and spells oral sex,

619
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.239
there you go. You know,
he's a head case Bolts. There's

620
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.960
there's never been any doubt event in
my mind. Did they produce good music?

621
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.320
I think so. Were they overrated? Absolutely? You know. And

622
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.159
then some people would say, well, this is also the era in which

623
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.639
Kiss had no makeup on and yes, you're correct, this was payable with

624
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.800
or without makeup. Let's just put
that out there. See, I don't

625
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.639
know Kiss to Me is okay as
the makeup act, I mean, And

626
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.679
they had a point which was pretty
much sex, drugs, rock and roll

627
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:04.199
and Gene Simmons is all good,
all good. But I could never tell

628
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.320
if Paul Stanley was like gay or
not. I always thought he looked like

629
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.360
he could be Shares a little brother
that's not bad that that that's a good

630
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.800
one there. But meanwhile, all
this is going on culturally, and of

631
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.800
course, you know, you can
look at television, you can look at

632
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.599
the video games, you can look
at the status of the state when it

633
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.920
came to technology. We were more
than one thing our generation though, and

634
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.559
I think people need to remember that. But before we go any further,

635
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:37.280
I think we got to dip back
into the pool of grunge and why it

636
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:42.000
makes sense to call it grunge,
and why it makes sense to continuously remember

637
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:49.800
that this was the appropriate music to
come out of that generation. N was

638
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.440
like an MTV term though, right, Wasn't that just to make it marketable

639
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.960
as something other than the glam rock
hair middle Well, I'll tell you what.

640
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.639
Let's take a little break and we'll
get into that and the actual point

641
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.199
of the show with regular Joe,
and we'll close out this Tuesday Oh Chelly

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664
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Barry and against your weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim four wheels.

666
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It doesn't make me a wagon.
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669
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676
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thank you for all the great information. Uncle. Do you remember that time

677
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when Benjamin Fulford said that an Asian
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678
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tick down the illuminati? Oh that's
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687
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Second and final segment for this Tears
Day Tuesday. I'm here with regular Joe

688
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:20.280
and we're doing this ex temporaneously pretty
much talking about the grunge generation Generation X

689
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.440
and how we are the absentee landlords. Remember that line from what was it

690
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.519
The Devil's advocate. He's an absentee
landlord. The guy's not showing up.

691
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.320
Come on, have sex with your
sister there, Keanu, let's go all

692
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:40.039
right. Anyway, that was a
wild movie also made in the nineties.

693
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.719
I think I'm not sure that was
a good movie though, man, I

694
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.880
mean with Pacino and there. I
mean, Charlie did pull frontal nudity in

695
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.039
that movie and bliss her heart for
it. There you go, my own

696
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.400
resident mister Skin here. If you
don't know who mister skin is looking up.

697
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.800
Okay, anyway, a lot of
things the other generations might have missed

698
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:02.840
out on, but one of them
that we're most attached to, apparently,

699
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.239
is the grunge thing. We're the
era of grunge. We're the era of

700
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.599
reality TV. We're the era in
which Mike Tyson reigned supreme. You know.

701
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:15.519
I mean, it's a weird,
weird set of circumstances that brings us

702
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.840
together culturally. So lad's kick it
off with the best of the best and

703
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:22.840
talk about before we get to a
list, which, by the way,

704
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.679
regular Joe said to me, and
it's let's see on American Songwriter dot Com.

705
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.960
And we'll get to that list,
and I'll include the link with the

706
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.199
show notes. Maybe I'll try and
get it into the chat room at Ochelly

707
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.840
dot com. Well, I'm at
it. But if you go back to

708
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.719
the live chat room Atowchelly dot com, you can often see links in conversation.

709
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.599
I don't think we've got a lot
of conversation tonight, but it's okay.

710
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.440
You'll see some links there later if
you check the time of the show

711
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.920
when it was airing. Blah blah
blah. Anyways, Generation X, the

712
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.679
grunge generation, Joe, I'll kick
it to you, man, What do

713
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:01.039
you got to say about grunge in
general? Well, first, first and

714
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:07.000
foremost, it's a pigeonhole term that
I think that the folks at MTV probably

715
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.800
spit out to kill hair metal and
bring in the changing of the guard.

716
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:16.039
But if we're getting down to brass
tacks, it was metal. You know,

717
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:21.159
the music itself was was pretty heavy. Well it was punk too,

718
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.000
it was it was punk and metals
sort of blended together. Yep, that's

719
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:31.000
that's actually a very good description.
But let me just segue into a question

720
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:36.719
for you. What was the factor
that brought you around to the genre.

721
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.079
Well, initially, by the way, I was totally annoyed with Nirvana.

722
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:47.440
I thought Smells Like Team Spirit was
a completely silly and stupid song. It

723
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:53.440
was highly repetitive. It reminded me
of like, like I was never a

724
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:59.760
huge Ramans fan as a kid.
I found say the Ramans man I really

725
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:01.280
was, So we're on the same
page, yeah, I mean, and

726
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.920
it just was like that belongs in
the same band at the record store as

727
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.239
the Ramons, but I don't think
it's as good as the Ramones. That's

728
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.480
what I thought of when I heard
smells Like Team Spirit. And I had

729
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:19.599
heard earlier than that the Bleach album, which was not as popular. It

730
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:24.159
wasn't the explosion, And I started
to appreciate Nirvana stuff as it came out

731
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:28.360
more and more, and by the
time they got to Incesticide, I was

732
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:34.880
definitely into it. But it didn't
last that long because Cobain, I believe,

733
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.239
killed himself in ninety four and was
a senior in high school. That's

734
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:45.519
how that's how GNX I am the
audience. I started high school the year

735
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:50.519
that Nirvana hit MTV, and I
graduated high school the year that Kurt Cobain

736
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.039
killed himself. Yeah, and I'm
trying to think I think it was like

737
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:59.840
right after my twenty second birthday.
I think because I had gone out from

738
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.840
my birthday and had a bad night, and I was out with my band

739
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.760
and my bandmates all hooked up with
women, and I wound up just crashing

740
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.039
at somebody's house because I did not
hook up. I was not into the

741
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.360
you know, the band slut culture, so I didn't go home with any

742
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.880
girls and all the rest of my
band did. I wound up hanging out

743
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.719
with a singer from another band and
crashed at his place. Him and his

744
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.599
girlfriend went to bed, and they
threw a blanket over me in the living

745
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:30.320
room. We wake up the next
morning and there's a big breaking news announcement

746
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.119
on MTV. Kurt Cobain has been
found dead. And I think it was

747
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.679
right around my birthday. I'd probably
have to double check, you know,

748
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.440
what I should do there? It
was in April, I think, yeah,

749
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.639
I should double check that date.
But I want to say I was

750
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:47.599
out the night before on my birthday. Let me see here what date Kurt

751
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:53.400
Cobain died. I swear I think
it was April twentieth, nineteen ninety four.

752
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.119
Well, I'm you know, what
I might have had to wait a

753
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:01.320
little bit to go out for my
birthday then, because almost thinking that he

754
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:07.760
died right around then. Let me
see here, Oh wow, look at

755
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:14.079
this. He died April fifth.
Yeah, but I think he wasn't discovered.

756
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:15.960
Let's see on April. Yup,
here it is on April eighth,

757
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:20.880
nineteen eighty four, Kurt Cobain,
elead singer and guitarist blah blah blah was

758
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.400
found. That's what it was.
Yes, he was found. See I

759
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:27.719
knew there was something about my birthday
here. He died on the fifth,

760
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:31.599
but he laid there for three days. So it was not Nirvana that swayed

761
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.280
you and brought you around to the
genre. Well, no, I was.

762
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:37.599
I was just going to get into
this. I actually got my first

763
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:44.119
death threat off of this, this
circumstance because I wrote a letter to the

764
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:50.039
editor for something called the East Coast
Rocker or the Aquarium, which is the

765
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.360
music magazine for the Northeast. It's
like a newsprint thing that you know,

766
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.559
if your bands wanted singer available,
this kind of thing is in the back

767
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.639
along with the personal ads, and
back then it used to be a lot

768
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.119
of sex phone lines and stuff like
that. All the clubs in the Tri

769
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:10.480
State area advertised in this thing.
It was the local Scene music magazine,

770
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.880
and I wrote a letter to the
editor, which I'd written several before and

771
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.320
they never printed any of them,
but this one they printed and identified me.

772
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.760
And the next thing I knew is
because I was identified as Chuck,

773
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:28.119
the singer for this band, people
were showing up at my gigs threatening to

774
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:32.400
assault me and kill me, even
over the fact that I said, I

775
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:39.159
cannot believe the absolute bizarre mourning that
I am watching so many people do for

776
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:45.000
Kurt Cobain. And I used a
phrase in there, like this guy decided

777
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:51.039
to pull a trigger and put a
rapid end to his enchanted rock star life.

778
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.199
And now you people that are plagued
by all sorts of personal problems and

779
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.320
dysfunction are crying over it as if
you lost a part of yourselves. Get

780
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.960
it together. And that's what I
was saying, because in music circles,

781
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:10.039
in those publications, in the culture, people were freaking out when Kurt Cobain

782
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:15.480
died. Now, is this a
part of what made grunge good or not?

783
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:22.239
No, but it did legendarily make
him a legend and memorialized him ever

784
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.239
after, Right made him into the
next member of the twenty seven club,

785
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:32.760
et cetera, et cetera, and
now he's eternally twenty seven. So it

786
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.760
was an interesting thing. It was
a cultural phenomena that was much larger than

787
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.920
I ever reckoned with. And I
thought, for the most part, Nirvana

788
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.840
was in a lot of ways very
silly now when I were the thing.

789
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:49.480
To me, Yeah, I was
never a big Nirvana fan. But the

790
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.679
very last song that they ever recorded
that came out years after Kurt's death,

791
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:59.159
that you know, You're right man, That is a really good song that

792
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.079
was better than any thing they'd ever
done. Well, what's weird is they

793
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:07.239
had performed that song live many times
and it was just an unfinished studio track

794
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.000
that they finished later for the box
set blah blah blah. And I know

795
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:14.800
that because I was a bootlegger and
I released that song. They were calling

796
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.559
it auto Pilot or something like that
on the bootlegs because nobody knew the name

797
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.159
of the song. Ye anyways,
that's not even the point. The point

798
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:27.199
is that Nirvana was improving, that's
for sure. And if you read into

799
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:30.719
the lyrics and you examined it,
and you were a bit cerebral about it.

800
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.519
You could see that this guy was
saying a lot of things that were

801
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.440
significant, that were meaningful, that
we're moving, And if you checked the

802
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:44.480
way the music was written, you
could tell that it wasn't the sloppy,

803
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:50.079
lazy apathetic thing. Because remember there's
a word I have forced myself not to

804
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:54.360
bring up until now. We were
generation apathy. We were supposed to not

805
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:59.000
care about anything. We didn't have
a war to rally around. We were

806
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.679
supposedly so privileged and coddled that we
were, you know, just looking for

807
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:08.400
reasons to complain. And we were
like the spoiled generation. According to the

808
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:15.039
baby boomer generation that came before us
and the depression era generation before that,

809
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:21.079
we were absolutely spoiled, coddled,
and overprivileged. So we were oversexed,

810
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:27.079
overprivileged, oversaturated, over bashed,
over the head with mass media, supposedly,

811
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.960
and this is what made us into
less than significant people. And I

812
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:35.800
said, we didn't show up for
a lot of things. And the grunge

813
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.039
era to me, started with a
lot of dirty clothes. That's why I

814
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:42.400
thought it was grunge because it was
dirty clothes. It was stuff that looked

815
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.320
dirty. Like I said, people
were picking up old gas station uniforms that

816
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.400
people had used and sold to the
thrift stores, and they were wearing them

817
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.440
which were stained with oil and blood
and everything else. And oh look it's

818
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.199
great, it's a worn shirt.
He probably pick it up from the dead

819
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.320
wheel. You know, yeah,
I know what you mean. Kurt Cobain

820
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.800
never wore anything that fit. Everything
was always just hanging off of him,

821
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.599
right, and not just because he
was a dope addict. I mean it

822
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:12.599
was an intentional thing. And sure
it came from Goodwill, but it changed.

823
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.559
See, grunge started to become a
business thing. Like you said,

824
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:19.280
MTV picked it up. It was
a trend. So all of a sudden,

825
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.559
that's stuff that used to reside in
the dollar bin at the Goodwill now

826
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:27.159
was in stores where you paid a
lot of money for it. You were

827
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:31.159
paying twenty thirty dollars for that gas
station shirt that somebody threw away two three

828
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:37.199
years ago. All of a sudden, the garbage was made into gold and

829
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.039
I found that interesting. But still
grunge is the thing that people tied to

830
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.360
us now was Nirvana the key Well, they definitely are one of the first

831
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.920
bands that's ever going to come up
when you use the word grunge, but

832
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:54.760
to me, the Seattle scene wasn't
even to be taken seriously in the late

833
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:02.239
eighties when it was actually emerging until
I heard of this band that was also

834
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:10.000
from Seattle and they were called Alice
in Chains. Wasn't Facelift just a monster

835
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:17.360
album too? Still, even though
I was already revolting against MTV and their

836
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:23.000
over commercialization of all music entirely,
even though they had Headbanger's Ball with Ricky

837
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:29.480
Jerkolf Rackman and everything else, you
know, the guy was literally the overprivileged,

838
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.760
spoiled kid from La. Yeah.
It's like, I mean, literally

839
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:36.559
take a look at who his parents
where. His parents like owned one of

840
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.360
the most successful clubs in LA or
his mom did I forget the whole thing,

841
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:44.079
just like PAULI Shore. You know
who's his mother, Mitzi Shore?

842
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:45.639
Right, she owned a comedy club. I wonder how it is he got

843
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.639
his start in comedy anyway, that
they're all legacies there, you know,

844
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.159
yeah, all kinds of legacy stuff
going on. You know, uh,

845
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:59.599
what do you call that? Nepotism? On high demand MTV? And you

846
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:01.719
know how we're going to try and
look like we have integrity with Unplugged,

847
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:06.679
which Nirvana didn't unplugged, and Alison
Chains did a hell of it unplugged.

848
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.960
But Alison James wasn't really a grunge
band. But they did come from metal,

849
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:14.599
but they did come from Seattle.
They got mixed in with that,

850
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.159
and I said, at that point, you know what, if Seattle can

851
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.559
create this, I don't mind that
the Delia Brothers went out there to go

852
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:24.400
form Stone Temple Pilots, because those
guys are from Point Pleasant, New Jersey.

853
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.440
But you know, it's just all
of a sudden, it was like,

854
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:30.639
maybe I need to take another look
at this. Up to that point,

855
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.960
I saw it as a pop culture. I just saw it as you

856
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.239
know, pop culture throwing up on
me again, you know what I mean,

857
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.679
as a metal head, and I
couldn't stand it. But as time

858
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:44.639
went on, I appreciated a lot
of this stuff, et cetera, et

859
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.400
cetera. So before we get to
the list, what else do people need

860
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:53.719
to know about the grunge generation from
two grungey guys. Well, Alison Chains

861
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:59.000
was the crowning achievement of it,
and I think they got pigeonholed into the

862
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.960
genre just like you said. But
then it also produced what I considered to

863
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:10.119
be the second greatest vocalist in rock
and roll history, which was Chris Cornell.

864
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.639
Okay, well I'm not gonna argue
with you about Chris Cornell. Definitely

865
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.599
a talent, but I mean,
you know who stole from who? Who

866
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:25.719
did the wirbling thing first? Remember
that, all right, Eddie Vetter?

867
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:31.599
Oh where they even accused Wiland of
that. They accused the Stone Typle Pilots

868
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:35.599
of being a knockoff Pearl Jam.
And I never saw that because because Stone

869
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:40.280
Typle Pilots bass player was so technical. But yeah, but see, at

870
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.400
first STP was like it seemed like
every song was like, let's imitate one

871
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:50.719
of the Seattle bands. You know, that's the core album. Yeah,

872
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.800
I mean that's the way it came
off when they when they came out and

873
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.960
got successful. It was like every
song is Okay, that's their imitation of

874
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.440
Alison Change. Okay, that's their
imitation of Sound Garden. Okay, that's

875
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:06.559
their imitation of Pearl Jam. You
know, I mean, hier my air

876
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.320
my am, Now what do you
think that was? I mean, come

877
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.400
on, yeah, you know,
yeah, I like STP though, man,

878
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:16.719
I really did that and mainly because
of the bass player. He's he's

879
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.840
really really good. But Whyland was
talented because he was versatile enough to pick

880
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:25.639
up on all those singing styles and
he was pretty damn good. Although again,

881
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.039
when it's sold to you in a
big, giant pop package, you

882
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.119
know, as a metal guy,
you immediately sort of are you know,

883
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:38.199
set in default setting is reject this
And I kind of a thing with it

884
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.239
with STP though, when they settled
down in their second and third album,

885
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.079
because their first three were folks for
us to get down to brass tacks.

886
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.199
I like STP, but their first
three albums are the only ones worth listening

887
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:50.559
to. If you go past that, you went too far right. But

888
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:57.360
they evolved this this second album became
more mellow, and then the third album

889
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:02.199
was almost a straight seventies I Am
Rock retro album. Yes, And here's

890
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.639
the thing about it. You know, once you get into Lady Picture Show

891
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:10.480
and all that other weirds, it's
it's pretty cool, but you can't argue

892
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:13.400
with and I don't care even though
it was in a pop package. It

893
01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:16.880
broke right through and I said,
oh, I gotta gotta give STP another

894
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.519
list. And when I heard Dead
and Bloated I hadn't Bloated as an awesome

895
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:26.000
song man. I said, Man, you know that's a monster sound.

896
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.800
That's a singer hitting it on key. That's got some groove, it's got

897
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:32.679
some soul. And even though it's
on a pop album, I gotta I

898
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.400
gotta tip my hat. I mean, it's just core. Though. To

899
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:44.119
me, the jewel of that entire
album was Wicked Garden. I love the

900
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.320
riff in that song, but it
was just it was just dirty, you

901
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.159
know what I mean. It just
had a dirty, fuzzy sound. I

902
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:54.559
stand by Dead and Bloated, though, it is my favorite track right there

903
01:06:54.599 --> 01:07:00.719
in that era, because it's just
it's it's like just undeniable as a track

904
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.400
overall, even the weirdness of they've
got him away from the mic and all

905
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:08.519
mute it out, and you know, it sounds like he's on a radio

906
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:12.880
somewhere, so it's like he's not
using a mic but a bullhorn way off

907
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.639
in the distance, right, And
I can't argue with any of it,

908
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.519
the production value of the whole bit
of it. It's it's well done.

909
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:23.599
I don't want to admit it,
just like I didn't want to admit when

910
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:27.440
I went back and looked at never
Mind. It was like, yeah,

911
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.920
this is a pretty damn good album
despite smells like team Spirit. Yes it

912
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:35.239
was there. Let's see. That's
what burns me about the grunge era twos

913
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:41.679
people attached to one specific song that
got the most airplay of any any specific

914
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.239
band. Like what really burns me
is when I mentioned sound Garden and somebody

915
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:46.079
says, oh, black Hole Sun, I'm like, ah, yeah,

916
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:54.480
we're done talking. No, but
a great song. But you know it's

917
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:58.159
a great song though I think it
is. It is, but it's not

918
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:00.800
their their jewel. I mean,
but see, not even from that album

919
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:03.920
is that they're jewel and bad.
Motor Finger was better than super Unknown to

920
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.440
me, I got you. But
you know, if they didn't overplay it

921
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:10.480
so much, I bet you wouldn't
resent it, you know what I mean,

922
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.400
That's exactly what it is. Because
let me let me tell a little

923
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.479
story about when I saw sound Garden
in ninety six. Okay, but I

924
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:19.319
do want to get to this list
and close out pretty soon. So let's

925
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:26.399
let's say control both abbreviated as a
general admission show, Lalla Pelooza. We

926
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.760
were in the middle of a big
field, big storm, rolls in on

927
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.279
us and I'm talking black inky clouds
in the sky. The sound garden is

928
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:38.359
on the stage. At the time
the band leaves the stage, Cornell comes

929
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:42.680
out in the pouring rain and lightning
and wind with all those clouds whipping over

930
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.439
us and does black Hole Sun solo. And before he did it, he

931
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.000
comes out and because it's super hot
as in July, he comes out and

932
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:54.840
he says, it's about time we
could get some blank blank rain. He

933
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:58.439
says, you can get wet,
soa can ee and he just breaks into

934
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:02.600
black Hole Sun solo. Okay,
and that was that was super cool.

935
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:11.279
Okay. I can see that look
and you can have an experience, you

936
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.720
know, watching a bandon concert,
which will change everything, you know what

937
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.439
I mean as far as your viewpoint
of it. I can tell you there's

938
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.079
a few times I had no use
for a band and then I saw him

939
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.399
live and I went, oh,
I gotta go check it out again.

940
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.600
You know. Rage Against the Machine
did that to me because I was somewhat

941
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.279
interested in Rage. But after I
saw them live, I was like,

942
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:33.680
man, these guys got it.
They have they they really had it,

943
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:38.880
like I and I will never stop
being a fan of blow up the outside

944
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:45.039
world either even either and that's that's
my life's favorite sound Garden selection. One

945
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:48.439
of mine is tighter and tighter,
but again you can see there's a nuance

946
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:54.319
and there's a resistance and all that. It wasn't necessarily part of my soundtrack

947
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:58.119
at that time, you know,
but some of it was, some of

948
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.279
it was, some of it wasn't. I mean, I hate to have

949
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.199
to admit that I had to hear, you know, more human than human

950
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:09.000
way too many times from Rob Zombie, even though I appreciate Rob Zombie's work.

951
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.439
Oh that was Why Zombie. And
I'm sorry to split hairs, but

952
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.520
I always have to make that distinction
because I'm so fond of Why Zombie and

953
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:21.159
Rob solo stuff is Okay, Why
Zombie, I'm very very fond of,

954
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.800
no problem, but but he's in
the band. Okay, Yes, indeed

955
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:31.079
that is White Zombies Astro Creep two
thousand album. Excellent albums. Play it

956
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.600
from start to finish, don't skip
anything. That is fantastic and and I

957
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:39.399
loved the fact that they all jumped
into a giant bowl of pudding at the

958
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:42.920
end of being on The David Letterman
Show when they were out promoting that album

959
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.279
and everything's it was great, and
they did you know a thing where for

960
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:50.279
some stupid reason, that guy Paul
who I always Paul Shaper I was always

961
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:55.520
annoyed with. But he's actually doing
part of the keyboard part, you know,

962
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.239
always joining in, just like he
played, you know, the harmonica

963
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.520
on Training of cons Sequences when Megadeth
went on there. I mean, you

964
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:04.119
know, come on, oh,
why does Paul Schaeffer I have to get

965
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:10.439
involved this weird? I saw them
live on the Risk tour in Knoxville,

966
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.880
Tennessee in a bar. Fair enough, Look, the weenie dogs are getting

967
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:18.039
restless. So I want to get
around to this list. And but I

968
01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:23.359
can appreciate the scene you said about
that concert, So let's do that.

969
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.720
I have the list in front of
me. You don't have it in front

970
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:29.239
of you, right, I don't, Okay, I didn't ruze it once

971
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:30.399
before and I was like, yeah, we're really gonna have to cut that

972
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.479
apart, right, So apologies for
the damn weenie dogs barking up a storm.

973
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:38.159
Now, nothing I can do about
it. Sorry, guys, But

974
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:44.920
anyway, let's see, let's read
from this the nine best grunge singers Again.

975
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:49.399
This is from a song American Songwriter
dot Com and again at the title

976
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:54.760
to nine best uh yeah, the
nine Best Grunge Singers, it says in

977
01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.760
the articles by a Jacob ut or
ut Ti whatever that is sounds like a

978
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.920
disease uti right, urinary tract infection. Okay, Anyways. In the late

979
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:10.319
nineteen eighties and nineties, grunge music
was at center of popular culture. Born

980
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:14.880
in the Pacific Northwest in the then
outpost of Seattle, Washington. The rock

981
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:20.680
subgenre, which included dreary emotional lyrics
and muddy music bereft of guitar solos,

982
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:28.000
became a phenomena that is about the
most generic mess you're ever gonna get for

983
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.359
a description, and it's kind of
accurate, dreary like Seattle, filled with

984
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:36.479
rain and stuff boof anyway, and
also fits in with the whole apathy motif

985
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:41.560
we were talking about for Generation X. As a result, bands like Nirvana

986
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.239
and Soundgarden ruled the airwaves, along
with others from the city like Pearl Jam

987
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:48.399
and Alison Chains. But who were
the icons of the genre and the lead

988
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:56.159
singer and songwriters we that we paved
that we paving the way. There's a

989
01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:00.159
misprint we're paving the way. I'm
sure they meant. Now. Funny thing

990
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.680
I'll dispute here before I get to
the list. Alison Chains was not burning

991
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:10.560
up the airwaves throughout the country.
I'm sorry, not at the time.

992
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.119
Nowadays they are part of the classic
rock They are part of any grunge,

993
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:20.359
retrospects, retrospective, Seattle, airplay, whatever. They are part of rock

994
01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:28.039
playlists now, but this came afterwards. Initially they were not driven by airplay.

995
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:30.119
I don't care what anybody tells you. They were not on the radio

996
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:36.000
in New York, New Jersey,
Ohio, Florida at the time. See

997
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:40.600
I wasn't in Kentucky. But you
know it, even when I made my

998
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.039
trip down here to see Bill Cooper. Okay, I went from Jersey to

999
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.640
Georgia, and I listened to radio
stations all along the way. There was

1000
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:51.560
no way in hell I was getting
hold of an Alice in Chains airplay anywhere

1001
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:55.880
they were played, not even Man
in the Box, which is the same

1002
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.000
thing as black Hole sun. You
say Alice and Chains, and if the

1003
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:00.079
person says, oh, in the
Box, I'm like, yeah, we're

1004
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:02.840
done. Yeah, Well, and
there you go. And here's the thing

1005
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:08.359
that would have been a radio friendly
thing with the exception of one bad word

1006
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:11.760
in it, but I mean,
other than that, it was radio friendly.

1007
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:17.920
And still it was relegated to maybe
maybe the overnight heavy metal show yep,

1008
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:21.239
exactly where it was played, you
know, like in New York they

1009
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:26.000
had heavy Metal from Hell and they
had that was on k Rock, and

1010
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:29.880
then they had Metal Shop and stuff
like that. Metal Shop was a nationally

1011
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:32.760
syndicated thing, but there were different
things locally where they would have We're gonna

1012
01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:38.439
play metal because it's after dark only
on Saturdays and only at two in the

1013
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:43.159
morning, you know kind of shows, right, or college radio stations maybe.

1014
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:47.960
But Alison Chains got no airplay love
at the time, and Algarden didn't

1015
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:51.840
get alot either, but Alison Chains
was overlooked and they were the greatest that

1016
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:55.000
came out of there, so you
know, yeah, but you could get

1017
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:59.520
some Sound Garden and some Pearl Jams
sometimes if not, you could get Temple

1018
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:00.960
of the Dog, which was the
same thing. There you go, and

1019
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:06.039
you definitely got Nirvana even though most
time, yes, and most of it

1020
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:12.399
was smells like teen Spirit, but
still you got it. Anyways, who

1021
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:16.720
do they got for number one year? Kurt Cobain. Now your thoughts show

1022
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:24.840
disputed. Let's move on disputed,
Let's move on. Wow, that was

1023
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:28.880
pretty quick. How about Chris Cornell
at number two should have been number one?

1024
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:36.359
Fair enough? I will say I
don't necessarily agree, but let's keep

1025
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:41.079
going and see where else we could
agree. Number three. I don't think

1026
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:45.279
this guy belongs here, Eddie Vetter, Nope, shouldn't be on there.

1027
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.800
No, because he's a poor imitation. Truthfully, he's a poor imitation.

1028
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:56.039
He's he's like Fis Corneil's lower register, and that is all right, and

1029
01:15:56.239 --> 01:16:01.000
he ain't going nowhere near Lean Staley
nowhere ordinary cant trail for that man who

1030
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.800
happens to be number five on the
list, Jerry can Trail, which is

1031
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.039
weird to me. But yeah,
what do you think of that? I

1032
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:14.000
think he should have been higher,
possibly three behind my top three. I

1033
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.720
would have rounded up Cornell, Staley
and a Can Trail right there in the

1034
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:20.079
top three. There it is,
I look, and I wouldn't. I

1035
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:26.319
might argue with Cornell a little,
but let's go further and see what happens

1036
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:29.079
on this list and see if I
can put a different number three in there.

1037
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:33.960
But you're number one, and two. No dispute here anyway. Mark

1038
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:39.119
Lanagan is number six, Mark Lantagan. That's the Screaming Trees. Gut all

1039
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.319
right, let's see you passed away
Twitter the Bud Honey guy. I always

1040
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.960
confuse those two. I just want
to make sure. Let's see former front

1041
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.600
Man for the Screaming Trees and Supergroup
Man season really good laugh, he is

1042
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.760
very good live. I saw The
Screaming Trees in ninety six. He's very

1043
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.520
tall. I think he's dead though
he was very tall. Yeah, he

1044
01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.640
passed away in twenty twenty two.
Yeah, complications from COVID allegedly. But

1045
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:09.960
yeah, anyway, here is ridiculousness. Ready for number seven Courtney Love.

1046
01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:14.000
Courtney Love doesn't belong on that list
at all. She can she can barely

1047
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:17.279
vocalize when she's speaking. She has
no singing voice. She has no talent.

1048
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:24.279
The only song that Hole ever did
that I halfway liked at all with

1049
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:30.199
celebrity scanning. That's because Billy Corgan
wrote it. No, Hey, fair

1050
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:33.880
enough, I got you now.
Now here's where we get weird again.

1051
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:39.520
And I think this is just a
girl power entry. Tina Bell Oh,

1052
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:43.239
I don't even remember who she is, Okay, so I'll just read the

1053
01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:46.439
entry. A local nineteen eighties star
and Seattle Tina Bell and her band Bam

1054
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:51.439
Bam never quite got their due during
their lifetime, but more recently, music

1055
01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:57.279
fans are discovering Bell thanks to her
bandmates and interested journalists trying to find out

1056
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:00.199
the beginnings of the solemn rocks shub
genre. So here we go. This

1057
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:04.399
is like the mud honey, where
people who are in the know and in

1058
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:09.600
on it early knew about her.
But that's it. And I think they

1059
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:13.840
just added her to try and add
a female. Seriously, that have girl

1060
01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:15.399
power, man, I mean I
tell people all the time the future is

1061
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:17.680
female. You might as well get
used to it. Now. There you

1062
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:21.279
go. And one thing is they
show a picture here of the Bam Bam

1063
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:27.239
House demo nineteen eighty four, so
you know, at least you can say

1064
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:32.319
this is probably somebody who did assist
in originating the genre. Okay, I

1065
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.520
wasn't familiar with her at all the
band name either, Yeah, but the

1066
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:39.840
vagueness that I remember hearing her,
she's not that memorable to me. It

1067
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:44.840
just maybe it's just me. Anyway, how about this one, number nine,

1068
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:48.119
here's where somebody just fell asleep at
the switch and then decided, we

1069
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.680
don't even have ten of these people
to put on the list. Mark Arm,

1070
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:56.880
Mark Arm. That is the guy
from mud Honey, right, and

1071
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.600
I think he did some guest vocals
with Alison Chains on the song right Turn.

1072
01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:06.640
I believe so, But they first
credit him in the band Green River,

1073
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:12.159
Right. I think they later became
mud Honey. Let's see, one

1074
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.359
of the original grunge groups, and
his next band, mud Honey, was

1075
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:19.439
one of its most popular arms see
now Here we Go. Mud Honey was

1076
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:26.000
one of those bands that again was
never was, never was. But if

1077
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:31.279
you were supposed to be cool and
really into the underground scene of the grunge,

1078
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:35.840
then you knew mud Honey well.
And that's just all there is to

1079
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:39.760
that. Mud Honey was not a
bad band. They were pretty good.

1080
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.560
But yeah, they were okay.
I remember them in one of the it

1081
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:48.600
was a Chris Farley movie. I
can't remember which one, but mud Honey

1082
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.800
was in it. It was it
was a black sheet and mud Honey was

1083
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:54.920
in there, and they were putting
on a pretty good show there in that

1084
01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:59.439
movie. Fair enough, Although I
gotta say the best cameo from a band

1085
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:03.119
ever was I think Cannibal Corpse and
ashmanter Or a Pet Detective, which was

1086
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:08.000
a movie I never expected to succeed
at all, just based on its ridiculous

1087
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:15.039
name. But Jim Carrey became a
star through that ludicrous movie. And again

1088
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.680
part of our generation. This is
the cultural crap we had to work with.

1089
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:23.239
Oh yeah, in Living Color came
from our generation. Man. Oh

1090
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:25.760
of course, because there's how you
get Jim Carrey. I mean, he

1091
01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:30.600
was one of the originals there right, Fire Marshall Bill, yep, Fire

1092
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:32.439
Marshall Bill. And what else did
you do on there? He did?

1093
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.239
He did a bunch of stuff.
I think he played Vanilla Ice on there,

1094
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:40.560
too, didn't he? He may
have the I think that we could

1095
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:45.279
probably round that out into a top
four with the list that is, with

1096
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:50.359
the Cornell Staley, Cantrail, Arm
and the Lannigan and the rest of them

1097
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:54.760
shouldn't even be mentioned to me because
they're not really vocalists. Yeah. See,

1098
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.079
Now, if you go to top
four and you add Arm in there,

1099
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:03.119
Okay, okay, I'll go with
with Cornell as number four in my

1100
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:06.680
mind. But okay, but there
you have it. You and I can

1101
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:10.399
narrow this down to less than half
of the crap they put out, and

1102
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:14.840
I think they just gave up without
giving us the top ten. How about

1103
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.199
that there there weren't as many as
the grunge folks as there were the hair

1104
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.760
bands. It's like I said,
the hair bands just kept coming out of

1105
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:24.159
everywhere, and as long as you
had big hair and a high voice,

1106
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.720
you got it. You're in.
Yeah, But there were other guys they

1107
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:31.600
could have at sea. They could
have logically included. You know, notice

1108
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.880
Staley. You know where where is
Staley on the list? Look at it?

1109
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:41.439
Yeah? They put him at three. Right, let's see, let's

1110
01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:45.319
go take a look real fast.
Okay, Cobain's one, Cornell's two.

1111
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:47.279
No vetter is three. By the
way, Look, Staley they put at

1112
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:51.359
number four. He don't belong at
four. He belongs higher. But Cantrell

1113
01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:56.479
and Staley together belong as one and
two. You know, you can swell.

1114
01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.760
I'll say two and three because I'm
Cornells. I've been a singer,

1115
01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:04.159
and I could cover Lane Staley,
and I could cover Jerry Cantrell. I

1116
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:09.439
couldn't follow Cornell. He was just
too rangy. See I understand that.

1117
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:14.520
But here's the thing. Even the
guy that replaced Lane Staley in Alison Janes

1118
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:19.479
does a technically okay job, you
know, live especially I saw them live

1119
01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:26.239
with the with the replacement. Okay, but you know something's missing, yes,

1120
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:30.880
you you just and there is an
intangible quality which is not necessarily about

1121
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:36.199
a technical skill that I did mourn
the death of Lane Staley two when he

1122
01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:41.479
died in two thousand and two.
I didn't listen to any Alison Janes for

1123
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:46.079
like two or three years because the
circumstances of his death were just so incredibly

1124
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:49.119
sad to me, and I just
felt that it was even though I never

1125
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:54.199
knew him, it felt like a
loss and the way that he went was

1126
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:58.920
just so terrible. Well, I
met him, and it didn't hurt me

1127
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:01.479
because I met him. It just
hurt me because it hurts. It hurts.

1128
01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:05.439
I couldn't listen to Hellis and Chains
for two or three years. I'm

1129
01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:09.600
glad I finally got out of that. And it was the album Facelift that

1130
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:12.920
that broke me out. Now,
this is a good nineties story about our

1131
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:16.159
generation. I was riding around in
the nineties and with my cassette deck in

1132
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:20.720
my car. If Facelift was in
that cassette deck, you were riding with

1133
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:24.960
me and you pop that cassette out, I would pull over on the side

1134
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:29.560
of the road and be like,
put that back in or get out fair

1135
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:31.199
enough. But look, we're going
to close it out with this, because

1136
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:36.840
here's the bottom line. Bad representation. I think our generation is not understood,

1137
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:42.199
not our music, not our culture. I'm not sure how much culture

1138
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:46.239
we had, but whatever it was, it's not being memorialized or represented properly.

1139
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:51.720
And forget about my musical taste versus
yours or versus anybody's. It's not

1140
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:59.880
about anyway. There is so much
missing because I think just we're forgotten.

1141
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:03.800
We're forgotten in the equation because we
didn't step up and become the congressman.

1142
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.279
We didn't step up and take the
reins in a lot of places where we

1143
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:12.720
could have maybe some people would say
should have, And it just feels like,

1144
01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:16.079
you know what, we just decided
we're not gonna join, Like we

1145
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:23.199
actually dropped out a bit. We
actually did the sixties day they talked about

1146
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:25.640
it all the time like it was
just a grand thing. But then gen

1147
01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:28.560
X came along and we actually did. Yeah, we did, just dropped

1148
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:30.520
out less that this is your miss
Now, did we do did we do

1149
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:34.279
ourselves or anybody else any favors?
I don't think so. I don't think

1150
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:38.880
so. But I think that I
think that that mankind as a whole,

1151
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:41.800
no matter what generation it is,
as a failure. Well see there you

1152
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:45.199
go. See the failure rate continues
no matter what your level of participation might

1153
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:49.239
be. And I think that's the
lesson to take away from this particular session

1154
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:55.319
with regular Joe on the Ocelli effects. So I'm gonna leave it at that

1155
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:57.920
guy's no matter who you are,
where you are, when you are,

1156
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:02.880
remember I'm merely o'celly. Regular Joe
is regular Joe. All of you are

1157
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:04.439
the effect. Good Night,