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might take a break depending on how much fun I'm having. Why my man,
my friend regular Joe has returned and we picked a topic well as we
connected tonight to go with. Now, I had a couple of ideas.
I definitely got tons of ideas, news, possibilities, philosophies, everything that
are going to go into the Friday night show and a few other shows along
the way. This week had to cancel Mica Dank's video appearance, which would
have been done earlier in the day. I've got a few other guests lined
up and a few other possibilities lined up. Tomorrow night we'll be talking to
country man Blind Joe and he'll be on video. Why not let's put the
two blind guys on video and see what happens instead of three blind mice,
how about two blind guys and two mics. Anyway, forget it, regular
Joe. How's things down there in well? According to the video you sent
me one of the poorest counties or the poorest county in the country, although
Harlan disputed that on Friday when I brought it up, because you happen to
live in a little place called McCreary there, don't you do. McCreary County.
It's very poorary, a very rural. It usually always makes the top
five list of the chorest counties in Kentucky. And sorry about that big acorn
just fell on my roof. Wow, that was an acorn. Yeah,
they're really big this year. That sounded like a bowling ball hitting the ports
Mad acorn of poem or que ball at least Jesus all right, I'm sorry
I was distracted by that. Anyway, back to it. McCreary, as
you said, almost always makes the top five of the poorest counties in Kentucky,
and by by way of that, since Kentucky itself is fairly poor,
usually makes the top five of the poorest in the nation. This video I
sent you that they're they're calling it v Porus, but it usually gets beat
out by like Howsley County or something much slightly northeast of here. Excellent deserves
around Hi. Applause, there you go go ahead. Yeah, but it's
just business as usual here. The new sheriff that came in the last election
cycle, however long that's been, seems to be cracking down more than the
previous one did. And there's not as many missing people popping up here as
the ones where And let me tell you, folks, you go missing in
the deep dark hills in McCoury County, you're gone. You gotta love how
an improvement in your mind is, well, there's less missing people now.
Yeah. And you know the guy who did that YouTube video, I decided
to explore his channel a little. And what he likes to do is go
into the most dangerous hood you never heard of, hanging with the gangster disciples,
even though I'm a white guy. He had a rapper on there that
literally did a song or an album I forget which that he called the Black
KKK. You know, stuff like that. And then he goes out in
the woods with people, Hey, this is the place with the most guns
in America. How how deep and white is Idaho? I think was one
of his videos. I don't know. It was crazy stuff, but he
likes to go places where it's like, look, man, this is a
real poor place. And make no mistake, I'm not making jokes here.
McCreary's got some rough looking spots stuff I'm used to seeing in the Northeast.
Like, you know, the motel that looks abandoned is actually still operating and
apparently people live there. I like the one story you know, Oh that
girl over there, Yeah she got pre rent because the roof fell in on
her house. Yeah, that's actually an old apartment complex that wasn't even a
motel, that was just an old apartment complex. And the guy that owned
and operated it for most of my life is dead and gone. I don't
think his family continued any upkeep. Well, no, but somebody's got to
collect a check. And I gotta say, it looks like an old motel
instead of an apartment complex, and people are living in boxes there, man,
I mean little tiny, teeny places. And he goes, yeah,
well, you know, I can rent a place here for three hundred dollars,
which is great price wise, But when you look at the condition and
the fact that people are breaking into each other's houses left and right, I
don't know what they're looking to steal outside of the garbage that's laying in some
of the abandoned apartments. I guess we'll call them. But stuff like that,
plus guys sitting there going, yeah, there's nothing, dude in the
woods, but drink and shoot your guns, and hey, let's go ahead
and just drift around with the car and do like, you know, sliding
skids And I guess that's a tokyo drift or whatever. I mean, it
wasn't that way in the nineties. This place has really declined since the two
thousands, either since the turn of the millennium. The place just really declined.
The opioid epidemic hit in the nineties and it was really bad, and
then it got the local doctor feel Good finally got busted for pumping out all
of his unnecessary med's out of his clinic, which cut down on the opioids,
which but just made meth and heroin explode. Well see that's the thing
I mean. When I brought this up with Harlan, I said, clearly
the opioid epidemic had done some damage there. But here's the reality in a
place like that. Yeah, what happens is the pills come through, then
the pill mill gets popped, and yeah, all of a sudden heroin becomes
available and whoops, that's cheaper and a little year to get your hands on.
I mean, you don't even have a doctor questioning you there, right,
So that but and I brought that up to Harlan and he said,
well, it's really the math. Actually, the meth is what did it.
Yeah, the meth did this place, and it really did, and
it's it's still it's still really bad. We're starting to have a fairly large
homeless population. And these folks just set up in tents behind like Arby's and
stuff like that, and you can't blame them. And then they're talking about,
well, how about you guys go get a job, and yeah,
we'll get seven fifteen hours for lucky and oh, by the way, I
gotta go out of town to go get twelve bucks from the walmart because yeah,
oh yeah, there's there's nothing here. There's like, there's like one
factory and the rest of it's just retail. I mean, there there are
no opportunities here. I've lived here all my life and I've always had to
travel to work. As a matter of fact, my wife is working in
Tennessee. Recently, she's been in Nashville and Georgia, but she's she's about
to be working in out in the city Tennessee. Well, if she came
anywhere near Making, I'd tell her to stop buy, I'd say hi,
and at least give her a cup of coffee. I can spare that and
she can say hi to the little puppies. Yeah. I think most of
the works she's got is in Tennessee. They may travel a little further south
in the inner time, but mostly everything she's done this year has been in
Tennessee. The further south she's made it is Jackson and Chattanooga. Okay,
well, look, at some point, I mean, I know you don't
really want to leave your holler there, but but I'd love to love to
see you over here. And I even considered moving to McCreary at one point,
telling the audience that not you, Joe, because you know it,
but considered moving there because I don't have any friends here and Making really so
I want to go move where my friends are, but I don't think I
can afford Florida, where you know, our our mutual friend Captain Tripps is
yeah, you know, and I don't know if I can afford anywhere anymore.
The way it looks. But I mean, I could probably afford to
live somewhere in McCreary. But would I want to bring my family to the
places I can afford? That's another question. I mean, the one guy
who was living at a literal motel had said, and by the way,
I want to get off of this topic in a minute, but I figured
we'd mentioned it since it was mentioned already on Friday. But the thing is,
you know, the one guy was living in a motel going yeah,
I'm a recovering drug addict and I work from home. Because what was he
doing? Tech support for Apple products or something? And I was like,
if people knew that the guy who was giving him tech support looked like this
guy, like nobody would walk up to him at a kiosk in the mall
and be like, hey, let me ask you a question about They'd look
at him and go, yeah, never mind, I'm gonna find another Apple
guy. You know. Strangely enough, I don't know that guy, but
on the video of the very last guy that he and I do have to
mention this before we move on. The very last guy that he interviewed,
the one with the red and black shirt on right, I know him.
I've known him my entire life, and I don't want to say his name
on air, but I know his first name, last name, everything.
I've known him my entire life, and he is a registered sixth offender.
Oh nice. Well, here's the thing, though, is that because of
the limited population in that town. I mean, it stands the reason that
if this guy decided to interview ten or twenty people, you stand to know
at least one of them just by living. Yeah, exactly, because I've
been here all of my forty seven I'm in my forty eighth year, but
I'm forty seven years old and I've lived here in this area my entire life.
So yeah, if you're going to pop up on a video, I'm
probably gonna know who you are. True enough, true enough. So look,
we could get into some news tonight, and I'm gonna give you an
example of that. But guess what we used to do this thing called regular
guy news, and what that led to was generally us going, you know,
we could cover all this stuff, but never mind, screw it.
And that's kind of what's gonna happen to night. So spoiler right there anyway,
in my hopper, and what might come up on Friday and who knows
when else. But since his regular Joe time, I'm gonna do it his
way. And I know he's not really following the news feeds lately, although
when he does I love his analysis. Figure. I'll just blast you with
some of the stuff you've been ignoring regular Joe. Sound good to you?
Okay, yeah, sure, okay. So from let's see ZM science dot
com, apparently China is facing an alarming m pox outbreak. You know,
monkey pox never went away. You and I were talking about this probably two
years ago, about the possible coming of the monkey apocalypse pox or pox apocalypse,
or however you want to put it right, monkeypox elips. Here we
go. And how about this from undark dot org. All right, a
toxic legacy? What America left behind in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, I'm just reading
headlines and maybe subheadlines, And the subheadline on this one is Afghans say the
US military polluted their land, poison their water, and sicken their children.
I mean, not to mention the fact that they occupied there for so very,
very long. And of course the disastrous exit strategy, which was no
strategy, has come up an issue in the coming twenty twenty four selection pregame
shows, which will be running all the rest of this year, I assure
you, into the next On top of it, let's see what else we
got? Good lord, what is the name of this website? I thought
I had a handle on it. Let's see trending now from the Messenger,
Okay, from the Messenger, and I think it's the messenger dot com.
Yes, indeed it is. Fox and Friends insist there is nothing in US
constitution about freedom from religion. The conservative network Personalities naturally faced backlash on social
media et cetera, et cetera. That was published on the twenty fifth Let's
see now twenty five that was yesterday. Wow, interesting story running there?
What else we box says there's no freedom from religion? That I hear that
correctly. Apparently that's what the headline says. You know. Oh and by
the way, that on my front you know, yeah, well, I'm
sure you want to put that on a metal sign and put it right out
there with you know, trespassers may indeed be shot. I actually do have
that sign hanging on trespass at your own risk. Anyways, let's just go
to the AP feed and get it over with as quickly and painlessly as we
can, unlike different people's attempts to euthanize human beings with the death penalty or
the fact that of course, yet again this week pretty alarming, a forty
one year old woman was found in alligator's mouth. That's how her family discovered
she was dead after being homeless for a while. That's a thing, but
of course, plarta. Anyway, back to the AP and this AP wire
update. I get these, you know, I get emails from like probably
fifty different news services every day because I'm signed up. I want to make
sure I don't lose track of anything in the feed, because that's part of
my job to inform you guys about what information is out there, so I
do it. Anyway, before we totally dismissed the rest of the news,
You're ready for this run, regular, Joe, Oh yeah, I'm ready.
Okay, so let's try not to laugh as we go through. Okay,
although this is comical, but this isn't the Onion or anything, which,
by the way, I saw headlines this week that were definitely Onion esque
but happened to be real, including stuff about, you know, glowing the
dark petunias coming soon from your friends, you know that do GMO work,
and various pig transplant stories about people getting hearts and kidneys and stuff from GMO
pigs and they're working out fine, even though they transplanted a kidney into a
brain dead guy and the guy lived for like two months. Well, just
saying anyway, there is pig news out there. But let's go to maybe
some more pig news through the AP. The Associated Press, of course,
one of those trusted news services out there, which, by the way,
reliably usually at least gets most of its facts fairly correct because they don't editorialize
so much on the AP. That's my opinion, maybe yours varies. So
here's the headlines that I was sent. Let's see what time was it exactly.
I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys at the time. Oh, it
sent to me three hours ago according to this. I'm sorry, I didn't
realize it was that long ago. But anyway, most recent update, Judge
rules Donald Trump defrauded banks insurers as he built real estate empire. That is
about a story in New York where indeed Trump and his businesses were again on
the record as having been fraudulent, but pay no attention to that because it's
all a witch hunt, right, and it's all politics, and it couldn't
be possible that a guy like that does that, because that's not what happens
in real estate New York or no, not at all. I'm imagining stuff
anyway, The Supreme Court will let Alabama's congressional map be redrawn to better represent
black voters. JP Morgan will pay seventy five million dollars on claims that it
enabled Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking operations. And I'll follow up on that headline.
JP Morgan Chase has agreed to pay seventy five million to US Virgin Islands to
settle claims that the bank enabled the sex trafficking acts of financier Jeffrey Epstein.
Most of the settlement will go toward local charities and assistants for victims. And
the story continues more. Maybe I'll give you guys links in the show notes
to this stuff. But this is a real story. It's happening. And
oh, by the way, that is that lawsuit I kept talking about.
This is one of the logical outcomes that accompanies that lawsuit. In the Virgin
Islands that I kept talking about that nobody had information on. Well, finally
some movement and they're going to hold a bank responsible for seventy five million dollars.
I guess to most people that would be like one hundred dollars parking tickets.
Sort of inconvenient, but hey, it is what it is. Anyway,
Moving along, what else we got? Canada's House speaker resigns over inviting
a man who fought for a Nazi unit to parliament. That happened. They
had a guy there, they honored him, and yeah, let's see,
let's read the subheadline. The speaker of Canada's House of Commons has resigned for
inviting a man who fought for a Nazi military unit during World War Two the
parliament to attend a speech by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zolinski. Vlodomir Zolinski. Funny
thing there. You know, I'm not all for the everything is justified,
you know, because nazis Ukraine. But you know, if you're aware that
that's a thing, I would be more careful about my guest list and really
make sure that I'm quite a boot making the whole thing not happen. That
way as that way, nobody stuck saying I'm sorry. Yeah, you don't
have to say I'm sorry. Holzer, Okay, moving along, Biden urges
striking auto workers to stick with it in picket line visit unparalleled in history,
you know, the United Auto Workers. Biden is there and they're making they're
splashing the headline everywhere. He's joining a picket line. Does he know what
a picket is? Does he know what a line is? Does he know
what joint is? Does he know anything? At this point, not sure.
Between the confused ramblings from him and his primary opponent on the other side.
That was interesting, by the way, somehow Jeb Bush got us into
the Middle East or the Iraq War, depending on how you read it,
you know, late his speech from Trump and some other weird stuff that he
said. If you actually pay attention to what he said, you know,
it might sound like he's a little confused, and he does this thing where
he raises his shoulder and twitches when he talks. But pay no attention to
that. Trump is totally healthy, even though he's just about as old as
old Joe over there. And I'm saying, why are we dealing with the
oldest of men. Well, we might get into that in a minute with
our real topic, but order on that fact that there's only like three or
four years between Trump and Biden, you know, because she was complaining that
Biden was too old. I agree. I agree, he's not very cognitive
because very old, I said, But by your own standard, if Trump
runs again in twenty twenty four, he'll be too old too. Yeah.
And here's the other thing. You know, Bernie Sanders, who is older
than both of them, definitely comes across as a lot more coherent, just
saying yeah, well, you know, all all one really has to do
is observe your society objectively and you'll see why your leaders are morons. Well,
of course, of course. And the other thing is if if you
realize that, look, if he's on my side, his glitch is just
a glitch to pay no attention, and if he's on the other side,
his glitch is disqualifying. I mean, that's just the reality of I don't
know the twenty first century, but anyway, I can't. I still can't
understand how people can align totally with one side or the other. It makes
no sense. So back to the ap onion California governor signs law raising taxes
on guns and ammunition to pay for school safety. Yes, real headline all
right now, as climate change in high costs. This is a different headline
as climate change in high costs plague Alaska's fisheries. Fewer young people take up
the trade anyway. Cassidy Hutchinson's The New Book says Mark Meadows suits smelled like
a bonfire from burning papers. That was after the January sixth thing. And
also Cassidy Hutchinson's made some other headlines in the past week claiming that Rudy Giuliani
straight up stuck his hand under her dress just because he felt like it,
you know, after watching him in that scene in bow Rat. What was
it last year? I don't know too, maybe three years ago now,
I think two three years ago, the bull Rat sequel where he's got the
teenage girl in there and he says he was adjusting his microphone in his pants
when he was laying on a bit. Anyway, let's just get back to
it. Taylor Swift is a fan of Travis Keis, and suddenly so is
everyone else. I don't know who that is, what that is? Why
do I care? What Taylor Swift is a fan of Not Sure, but
the AP published. Okay, so here's the funny thing about this ages thing.
And I'm not not doing any more headlines. I'm done with the news
because we are going to dispatch with it. Just there, Joe, let
me just ask you about this observation. I have you and I are in
the same generational bracket. I mean we can agree on that. I'm fifty
one now, you said forty seven, right, yep, yes, that's
great, seventy two respectively, right there you go, right, uh and
and and that's that's fair enough. But here's the thing about our generation which
was interesting. They were saying when we were growing up, when we were
very young people. You know, around this time when people are complaining about
the whatever they call them Z generation, I don't even know what they are
anymore. But the latest generation, the just turning eighteen, going into their
twenties, legal drinking age, maybe crowd, right, that's either the baby
millennials or the elders ease something right anyway, It's like, oh, look
at them, they don't care about anything. There this and that. You
know, it's funny because I remember our generation was supposedly so apathetic that they
felt like, you know what, We're very worried that these people are going
to be so lazy, so disconnected, so not caring, because they're gonna
stare like zombies at the TV and that's all they're gonna do. They're gonna
be beavis and butthead just growing up there getting bald and fat and diabetic while
they stare at the same TV for the next couple of decades. Were they
far off? Yeah, quite a bit. But one thing you'll notice is
why is everybody in a position of power? Why or most of the CEOs,
Why are all the key politicians, et cetera, et cetera, et
cetera. Why are they all baby boomer our parents and grandparents generations effectively?
And I know from the South, I'm from the Northeast, but I'm from
a trashy part of the Northeast, So could even ded be our great grandparents
depending on how fast we decided to push out them babies. Anyway, either
way, that's the generation still holding the reins of power because our generation kind
of didn't show up for that. We really had an odd emotional breakdown in
the nineties. We did. It was it was almost and I've described this
to my children many times. The nineties were almost like a miniat your sixties.
There weren't as many protests. There was no Vietnam, but and there
weren't There wasn't quite as much free love, but there was quite a bit.
So, yeah, that's something. It was like, you know,
in the sixties, rebel without a cause. Right, it was, We're
gonna have a rebellion because the establishment is trying to send us off to war.
Man, they're all trying to make us, you know, the same
man. And the yippies turned into the hippies, who turned into of course,
a lot of people claimed to be Hippie that were nowhere near you know,
like the eight billion people that were allegedly at Woodstock. Now you know,
everybody claims to have been there, even though there wasn't that many people
there, et cetera, et cetera. Right, they had Woodstock, we
had live aid. They certainly had more revolutionary, colorful things, more innovation,
because for the first time ever, certain things happened, the landing on
the moon, if you believe it happened, Okay, okay, okay.
The Cold War was definitely at its peak of turbulence there keeping people occupied,
and sure they wanted to turn people into establishment, and people rebelled against it,
and you had the law and order. Let's get back and make America
great again. People. Except they supported a guy named Nixon back then around
the time you and I were born. Except well, wait a minute,
by the time you were born, for its president already, because yeah,
he's on four years between us Man's that's the oh aborted fetus cycle that we
call the American political system, right, So seventy two was an election year,
and so was seventy six, So there you have it. In seventy
two when I'm born, Nixon is re selected and doesn't fill out his term
because Watergate. Ford was actually not elected, you know, No, Ford,
there's the other thing. Ford had been appointed to be the vice president
because he was a Speaker of the House, I believe, and whatever it
was. He was a congressman representative from Michigan. And then the next thing,
you know, is he ends up being president because Spiro Agnew had to
go because the tax of Asion, and then Nixon resigned because he didn't want
to give up his tapes, and Watergate, the thing that would brand every
political scandal there after whatever gate, Okay, even though that makes zero sense.
Okay, I mean today, if Watergate happened, you'd literally have to
call it watergate gate because it would be to add a gate to it.
And therefore it's now a high level of political scandal. But the country changed.
So Carter is elected or selected in seventy six, but doesn't take office
still seventy seven. H Nixon is re selected in seventy two and you know,
begins second term seventy three, doesn't finish it. Ford finishes it out
and pardons his ass on you know, Nixon's way out the door, first
official act. I think maybe if it wasn't the first, I mean,
they might have had to get him to change. I don't know that the
seat covers in the oval office or something. Something I'm sure came first,
right, some decision first, highly publicized one, we'll put it that way,
fair enough, the first deal there. And of course he was part
of a deal too, because it was sort of like, okay, I
mean, even though they said there was no deal, just like always,
no, we've made no pre arrangement. Of course, we didn't discuss this
at all, Just so happens we had the paperwork sitting here in the drawer
ready and it's almost all filled out. I just got a stamp it.
Okay. Yeah, So our generation kind of took up the mantle that it's
it's y'all screwed it and you expect us to fix it and it's not gonna
happen. But there you go. We kind of said, you guys screwed
this up, and we ain't gonna fix it. Matter of fact, we
are gonna sit here and be ride this out. We're gonna be Davis and
butthead. We're gonna sit here, watch TV and comment. And we did,
and we watched dumb things like MTV. Some of us if we could
get cable, yea, and if we could a long time to get cable
here. I was well in high school before cable reached where I lived.
I remember even in New Jersey, it was coming to, coming to and
showing up. I mean, by the time we got to the mid eighties,
it was pretty much everywhere. But when I was a little kid,
like cable was like wow, do you have cable? Yeah, it was
a big big deal, and some people had satellite dishes, but again,
you had that money for that anyways, whatever it was, even if we
were gonna, you know, play with the rabbit ears and put the tinfoil
on the box and stare at the black and white and try, and you
know, play, can you make out what it is? If the wind
doesn't blow, right, yeah, And hope that the wind doesn't blow or
somebody doesn't touch it, or the dog doesn't bark too loud, because you'll
lose your channel or you'll end up having a If you were in Jersey,
we might end up having to switch to the Philly channels instead of New York
because they'll come in better because the way the wind's blowing. Anyway. You
know, I'm this whole gen X thing. I've got to tell you what
the strangest phenomenon that I've noticed about gen X is. Okay, tell me
the younger generations don't know we exist. See, when I was out working
in retail, my fellow crew members all called me because they were all,
you know, in their mid twenties. Some of them may be in their
late twenties, so you know, clearly millennials, and they called me a
boomer constantly, And I'm like, what's wrong with your generation? Man?
You do not realize that my mom is a boomer. There is a whole
generation after that called gen X. They're like, no, you're just a
boomer because you're old. I'm like, no, you're misusing it, man.
But there you go. They don't have to know the particulars because all
they gotta do is ask Serie. She'll fill it out for him. The
thing is, we can complain about them, and they can complain about us
and not even realize we exist. That's all fine and dandy, but there's
a giant gap there in time, which, by the way, I argue
with you even using the word millennial, because that changed, right, it
was supposed to be Why now right? I mean X y Z. That
doesn't sound very promising, does it? Well? Yeah, where do you
go next? Right? Double z? Let's go back around to a generation
A, and what will they? You know how I am about the reset?
But then if we're going to be doing anything, it's gonna be resetting
and going back to generation A. Well, why not? Right? And
why not just skip one and just say look, the first thing was you
know, doesn't count mulligan? Okay, so B, let's start with B.
Why not? The thing is, I don't even hardly care about it.
Except the funny thing is millennial has changed, right, because originally millennial
is supposed to be people born around two thousand at the millennium, right,
you know, the alleged millennium, which up to like eighty three eight four.
Yes, yes, somehow their generation got a larger swath of time than
ours did. I don't know how that happened. I don't need it.
And some of us kind have been teenage parents of some of these millennials,
right, But we just birthing children later, or birthing fewer of them.
I mean, has reproduction slowed and that typically happens in an over sixth society,
which we certainly are and have been for since since I've been alive,
well for the past almost decade, there have been nothing but the descending rates
of sperm and birth around the world, especially in western nations. As much
as people also want to tell us about the overpopulation, the truth is,
mathematically, you know, like in America, we shouldn't be worried about overpopulation
unless you want to add immigration to the equation, because we're not having babies
at that rate anymore, our replacement rate. I don't think it's even being
met now, replacement rate means that there's two people that get together, they
make two babies, so they replace themselves in the equation. Right, that's
not even happening now. For every two people, there's less than two people
being born that were born here. So there's that. But I want to
get back to the attitude and the interesting part, and how is it you
can ignore a generation, because you've got a great point there. We are
ignored, and we're ignored by the younger generation, and even our parents generation
kind of ignores us, like we don't count anymore, which is about me
of the JP s Atilly catch line. I was raised by a pack of
wild televisions. Well, but our generation was raised by network and cable TV.
Yeah, but why because our parents couldn't be home. There was no
way to have one parent working and have the other parents stay home. And
you had that that you know, leave it to beaver arrangement, knew.
Good, Okay, I've broke that down before with the whole MAGA crowd that
they're talking about what TV was when they were making TV about the fifties,
not what real life in the fifties was. Yeah, well there's that,
but indeed, mathematically you could send one person out to work and keep one
person home. That is, indeed, if you could keep two people together,
which again didn't last very long outside of the fifties. And I guess
people started to romanticize it because at least, you know, the Cleavers weren't
getting divorced. The Brady bunch well, and we don't know what happened to
the first Missus Brady exactly, but she and around no more. They blended
a family and they weren't going nowhere, even though we now know that mister
Brady was definitely not as interested in Missus Brady as he might have been in
some other individuals and such. But irrelevant, okay, not relevant to the
discussion. The fantasy on TV is one thing, but the reality we didn't
have two parent homes. It just wasn't that way for one reason or another,
whether it was our dad was a Vietnam bat or you know, in
my case, it's pretty extreme. My dad, you commit suicide. He's
gone. So I have stepdads, but they don't stick around even all that
long. Things go on, brother, it is what it is, and
we devolved, and people say, oh, the death of the family unit
is the thing that's destroyed the country, and so on and so forth.
But I will tell you that it was a bit of a problem for our
generation because nobody knew how to cope with it. Now, we don't show
up in these leadership positions. We didn't go to go join the establishment so
quickly, most of us. I mean, indeed, we still have our
guys that wanted to join the military and be part of that culture. And
we have other people that want to be part of this culture or that culture
and became part of the tech culture, etc. But the truth is,
then when it comes to leadership roles and taking on those mantles and actually being
leaders, they kind of just said, nah, you know what the old
man's mind, Let him keep doing it. Right. However, our generation
did participate strongly in what I consider to be the last good mass produced music.
Ah See, now here is where the worm turns, so to speak,
artistically, Right, what are we also slapped with? If indeed you
recognized there was a generation X, A lot of people think of us as
the grunge generation. I'll take that. I take it, but not necessarily
because of the music. I'll take the grunge thing based on the fact that
a bunch of guys said, you know what this hole like, having your
hair blown out and you know, looking having more makeup on your face than
the average hooker, and wearing more weather pants so tight you can tell what
you're PA's religion was. Yeah, you know, more glitter than is that
an average seventies discotech. There's a word for you to look up, boys
and girls, disco tech. That was the thing. More glitter, more
sequence on stuff and all that. It was getting ridiculous. Okay, the
corporate rock scene had swallowed almost everything, including some of the better metal acts
of the day. They were all glammy and ridiculous looking. I mean,
I love Ozzy Osbourne, but if you look back at the ultimate Sin era
where he's wearing stuff that looks like blouses with sequence and everything else he's trying
to fit in with his hair teased out. You know, the giant cans
of aquinet than most women carried around in their purses back then. And I
do mean women as in what was a woman to me, which was a
teenage girl when I was a teenager, All of them had cans of aquinet
in a bag. Yes, it was just a thing and it wasn't just
big hair and jersey. It was a national obsession. Yes, it was
everywhere. And the girls here in the late eighties early nineties had the gigantic
pooped up bangs, you know, right right. Well, not only did
they have the gigantic pooped up bangs, but one thing I noticed about girls
from the South, they definitely they knew when to say when about a lot
of things, but not I make up a lot of them were just like,
you know what, if an ounce of eyeshadow is good, three ounces
gotta be better. And they would have ridiculous amounts of eyeliner, eyeshadow misties.
You know, people talk about smoky eyed looks and everything else. The
women in the eighties and the girls in the eighties did obscene things to their
eye sockets. You know what I mean. Mascara too, Oh yeah,
the mascara, so much mascara that it would literally destroy their uh what do
you call eyelashes? Okay, they would be like caked up pieces of it
in between the lashes. Yeah, I mean. Previous to that, Lucile
Balld did weird things and you know, pluck. The women would pluck their
eyebrows to such a degree, and all that crazy things started to happen,
and to me, the beauty of deciding to take a razor to more than
your legs and armpits came into vogue in the nineties two. I liked that,
but that wasn't all the grunge girls now back to it. When you
have that sort of thing coming out of the corporate world, what's supposed to
be pretty, the fashion magazines, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
there's always going to be a revolt at a certain point. Older people,
and I mean way older people that were still talking to me about the
Great Depression back then, tell me things like, you know, one day
there's gonna be a bunch of young people. And it came true recently.
There's gonna be a lot of young people that are going to be super conservative,
and that's going to be their rebellion, like in other words, to
go to more conservative, less wild sexually against abortion, against free love,
against this and that again and swimming dressing wild blah blah blah blah bla bla
blah blah blah. That is going to become a significant group of young people.
And I said, I'll come on, what young person is gonna want
to embrace being straight laced. Well, they had me there, I gotta
tell you, because we now have a bunch of young people who do come
out and have decided that they are disciples of the conservatism that they think exists.
I'm gonna leave that there for now, because again, I don't want
to focus on the kids and what's wrong with them and all their wonderful slabs
and fondle slabs of choice and applicable applications and what it is how they're doing
cyber dating and whatnot. I don't want to go there. But TikTok is
corn. You remember when you put on paper man porn? Yeah, the
kind of thing that you had to find under your stepdad's bed, and if
you found a real Jackpott, it was one that he didn't want your mom
to see, you know, And you could keep that one so long as
you keep your mouth shut. Yeah, stuff like that, or you had
to surreptitiously obtain a videotape. Yeah. Crazy stuff. By these younger ones
that I got to talk to when I was out working in the public.
They were either asexual or gay. Not not conservative. I mean, they're
they're quite liberal the ones that I have encountered. But asexual or gay,
well, see, that's the other explorer. The hyper availability of pornography has
something to do with that. Well. But see, but that's the other
extreme that emerges from the logical equation because again, even though we're talking about
Generation X, it was not just a homogeneous group. Even when grunge became
a thing, Let's get honest, I didn't like it at first. I
was against it. I thought it was killing rock and roll because all of
a sudden, Yeah, there were guys coming out of nowhere wearing stuff that
looked like I bought at the second hand store, because that's where they were
going to shop. Literally. And not only that, but some of their
music was so basic and really a lot of it crap. El soo,
you're talking about Nirvana and Pearl Jam right now, not even there. I'm
talking about the precursors to them before the corporate world grabbed a hold of them,
when runs just started to emerge. One of the main precursors was Soundgarden
then, right, because they were around in the mid eighties, maybe even
the early eighties. I think they just didn't take hold until after the Cobain
phenomenon. Yeah, this comes to what mud Honey, Blind Melon, and
indeed Sound Garden might have come in there, but this is at a point
in time in which these guys were like, you know what, you know
those old uniform shirts that people wear gas stations. We're just gonna buy old
ones of those. Even if it doesn't have my name on it, it's
got a name patch beautiful. That is now my new cultural statement. Even
though I don't work at the gas station, I'm gonna wear the gas pumper
shirt, whether it fits right or not. And why not a flannel shirt?
Those are always cheap and readily available. I mean every kmart certainly had
them, not a problem. So you looked that way, and a lot
of the music, even the stuff now you're talking about recognizable names, but
there were tons of them out there that were just coming and going that weren't
taking hold, but they were creating something. Now, is that all of
us? No, Because I was still a metal head and there were other
people that were definitely into the pop music of the time. God help us
all in the late eighties, okay, and yeah, that's that's when even
the hair metal they got so ridiculous. In the late eighties with their vocals,
because it was like the vocalist had to be able to actually sound like
a woman. Yeah. Then it just got more ridiculous and more ridiculous with
bands like Firehouse feal Heart that were just shameless knockoffs that can happen, happen
to have a vocalist that could sing higher than the previous ones that looked just
like a faster pussy cat. Oh terrible stuff. Man. Well here here
Cinderella, Oh awful sin See. Now here's the funny thing. Tom Keeper
is actually a fairly talented guitarist, but you know his stuff. Sha man,
I am doing a fair approximation of the book that was that was actually
a fair cover right there, my friend. Now that's day. Is the
thing about the hair bands though, even though they came up with the atrocious
ballads and the terrible, high pitched squeals that were woman like, many of
them did produce some pretty fantastically talented guitar players occasionally. And here's the other
thing that was happening at the time. All of a sudden, guns and
roses was a phenomena. And now some people would say, oh, don't
you start on guns and Roses. Sorry I got because remember Axel Rose was
a weird guy. Definitely went all sorts of rock star right away. And
you know, I know everybody loves Welcome to the Jungle, but you know,
okay, yeah, yeah, Now Axel's an acquired taste. And you've
got to know the guy's a nutcase when his name's Bill Bailey, but he
comes out with a name that if you rearrange the letters and spells oral sex,
there you go. You know, he's a head case Bolts. There's
there's never been any doubt event in my mind. Did they produce good music?
I think so. Were they overrated? Absolutely? You know. And
then some people would say, well, this is also the era in which
Kiss had no makeup on and yes, you're correct, this was payable with
or without makeup. Let's just put that out there. See, I don't
know Kiss to Me is okay as the makeup act, I mean, And
they had a point which was pretty much sex, drugs, rock and roll
and Gene Simmons is all good, all good. But I could never tell
if Paul Stanley was like gay or not. I always thought he looked like
he could be Shares a little brother that's not bad that that that's a good
one there. But meanwhile, all this is going on culturally, and of
course, you know, you can look at television, you can look at
the video games, you can look at the status of the state when it
came to technology. We were more than one thing our generation though, and
I think people need to remember that. But before we go any further,
I think we got to dip back into the pool of grunge and why it
makes sense to call it grunge, and why it makes sense to continuously remember
that this was the appropriate music to come out of that generation. N was
like an MTV term though, right, Wasn't that just to make it marketable
as something other than the glam rock hair middle Well, I'll tell you what.
Let's take a little break and we'll get into that and the actual point
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and we're doing this ex temporaneously pretty much talking about the grunge generation Generation X
and how we are the absentee landlords. Remember that line from what was it
The Devil's advocate. He's an absentee landlord. The guy's not showing up.
Come on, have sex with your sister there, Keanu, let's go all
right. Anyway, that was a wild movie also made in the nineties.
I think I'm not sure that was a good movie though, man, I
mean with Pacino and there. I mean, Charlie did pull frontal nudity in
that movie and bliss her heart for it. There you go, my own
resident mister Skin here. If you don't know who mister skin is looking up.
Okay, anyway, a lot of things the other generations might have missed
out on, but one of them that we're most attached to, apparently,
is the grunge thing. We're the era of grunge. We're the era of
reality TV. We're the era in which Mike Tyson reigned supreme. You know.
I mean, it's a weird, weird set of circumstances that brings us
together culturally. So lad's kick it off with the best of the best and
talk about before we get to a list, which, by the way,
regular Joe said to me, and it's let's see on American Songwriter dot Com.
And we'll get to that list, and I'll include the link with the
show notes. Maybe I'll try and get it into the chat room at Ochelly
dot com. Well, I'm at it. But if you go back to
the live chat room Atowchelly dot com, you can often see links in conversation.
I don't think we've got a lot of conversation tonight, but it's okay.
You'll see some links there later if you check the time of the show
when it was airing. Blah blah blah. Anyways, Generation X, the
grunge generation, Joe, I'll kick it to you, man, What do
you got to say about grunge in general? Well, first, first and
foremost, it's a pigeonhole term that I think that the folks at MTV probably
spit out to kill hair metal and bring in the changing of the guard.
But if we're getting down to brass tacks, it was metal. You know,
the music itself was was pretty heavy. Well it was punk too,
it was it was punk and metals sort of blended together. Yep, that's
that's actually a very good description. But let me just segue into a question
for you. What was the factor that brought you around to the genre.
Well, initially, by the way, I was totally annoyed with Nirvana.
I thought Smells Like Team Spirit was a completely silly and stupid song. It
was highly repetitive. It reminded me of like, like I was never a
huge Ramans fan as a kid. I found say the Ramans man I really
was, So we're on the same page, yeah, I mean, and
it just was like that belongs in the same band at the record store as
the Ramons, but I don't think it's as good as the Ramones. That's
what I thought of when I heard smells Like Team Spirit. And I had
heard earlier than that the Bleach album, which was not as popular. It
wasn't the explosion, And I started to appreciate Nirvana stuff as it came out
more and more, and by the time they got to Incesticide, I was
definitely into it. But it didn't last that long because Cobain, I believe,
killed himself in ninety four and was a senior in high school. That's
how that's how GNX I am the audience. I started high school the year
that Nirvana hit MTV, and I graduated high school the year that Kurt Cobain
killed himself. Yeah, and I'm trying to think I think it was like
right after my twenty second birthday. I think because I had gone out from
my birthday and had a bad night, and I was out with my band
and my bandmates all hooked up with women, and I wound up just crashing
at somebody's house because I did not hook up. I was not into the
you know, the band slut culture, so I didn't go home with any
girls and all the rest of my band did. I wound up hanging out
with a singer from another band and crashed at his place. Him and his
girlfriend went to bed, and they threw a blanket over me in the living
room. We wake up the next morning and there's a big breaking news announcement
on MTV. Kurt Cobain has been found dead. And I think it was
right around my birthday. I'd probably have to double check, you know,
what I should do there? It was in April, I think, yeah,
I should double check that date. But I want to say I was
out the night before on my birthday. Let me see here what date Kurt
Cobain died. I swear I think it was April twentieth, nineteen ninety four.
Well, I'm you know, what I might have had to wait a
little bit to go out for my birthday then, because almost thinking that he
died right around then. Let me see here, Oh wow, look at
this. He died April fifth. Yeah, but I think he wasn't discovered.
Let's see on April. Yup, here it is on April eighth,
nineteen eighty four, Kurt Cobain, elead singer and guitarist blah blah blah was
found. That's what it was. Yes, he was found. See I
knew there was something about my birthday here. He died on the fifth,
but he laid there for three days. So it was not Nirvana that swayed
you and brought you around to the genre. Well, no, I was.
I was just going to get into this. I actually got my first
death threat off of this, this circumstance because I wrote a letter to the
editor for something called the East Coast Rocker or the Aquarium, which is the
music magazine for the Northeast. It's like a newsprint thing that you know,
if your bands wanted singer available, this kind of thing is in the back
along with the personal ads, and back then it used to be a lot
of sex phone lines and stuff like that. All the clubs in the Tri
State area advertised in this thing. It was the local Scene music magazine,
and I wrote a letter to the editor, which I'd written several before and
they never printed any of them, but this one they printed and identified me.
And the next thing I knew is because I was identified as Chuck,
the singer for this band, people were showing up at my gigs threatening to
assault me and kill me, even over the fact that I said, I
cannot believe the absolute bizarre mourning that I am watching so many people do for
Kurt Cobain. And I used a phrase in there, like this guy decided
to pull a trigger and put a rapid end to his enchanted rock star life.
And now you people that are plagued by all sorts of personal problems and
dysfunction are crying over it as if you lost a part of yourselves. Get
it together. And that's what I was saying, because in music circles,
in those publications, in the culture, people were freaking out when Kurt Cobain
died. Now, is this a part of what made grunge good or not?
No, but it did legendarily make him a legend and memorialized him ever
after, Right made him into the next member of the twenty seven club,
et cetera, et cetera, and now he's eternally twenty seven. So it
was an interesting thing. It was a cultural phenomena that was much larger than
I ever reckoned with. And I thought, for the most part, Nirvana
was in a lot of ways very silly now when I were the thing.
To me, Yeah, I was never a big Nirvana fan. But the
very last song that they ever recorded that came out years after Kurt's death,
that you know, You're right man, That is a really good song that
was better than any thing they'd ever done. Well, what's weird is they
had performed that song live many times and it was just an unfinished studio track
that they finished later for the box set blah blah blah. And I know
that because I was a bootlegger and I released that song. They were calling
it auto Pilot or something like that on the bootlegs because nobody knew the name
of the song. Ye anyways, that's not even the point. The point
is that Nirvana was improving, that's for sure. And if you read into
the lyrics and you examined it, and you were a bit cerebral about it.
You could see that this guy was saying a lot of things that were
significant, that were meaningful, that we're moving, And if you checked the
way the music was written, you could tell that it wasn't the sloppy,
lazy apathetic thing. Because remember there's a word I have forced myself not to
bring up until now. We were generation apathy. We were supposed to not
care about anything. We didn't have a war to rally around. We were
supposedly so privileged and coddled that we were, you know, just looking for
reasons to complain. And we were like the spoiled generation. According to the
baby boomer generation that came before us and the depression era generation before that,
we were absolutely spoiled, coddled, and overprivileged. So we were oversexed,
overprivileged, oversaturated, over bashed, over the head with mass media, supposedly,
and this is what made us into less than significant people. And I
said, we didn't show up for a lot of things. And the grunge
era to me, started with a lot of dirty clothes. That's why I
thought it was grunge because it was dirty clothes. It was stuff that looked
dirty. Like I said, people were picking up old gas station uniforms that
people had used and sold to the thrift stores, and they were wearing them
which were stained with oil and blood and everything else. And oh look it's
great, it's a worn shirt. He probably pick it up from the dead
wheel. You know, yeah, I know what you mean. Kurt Cobain
never wore anything that fit. Everything was always just hanging off of him,
right, and not just because he was a dope addict. I mean it
was an intentional thing. And sure it came from Goodwill, but it changed.
See, grunge started to become a business thing. Like you said,
MTV picked it up. It was a trend. So all of a sudden,
that's stuff that used to reside in the dollar bin at the Goodwill now
was in stores where you paid a lot of money for it. You were
paying twenty thirty dollars for that gas station shirt that somebody threw away two three
years ago. All of a sudden, the garbage was made into gold and
I found that interesting. But still grunge is the thing that people tied to
us now was Nirvana the key Well, they definitely are one of the first
bands that's ever going to come up when you use the word grunge, but
to me, the Seattle scene wasn't even to be taken seriously in the late
eighties when it was actually emerging until I heard of this band that was also
from Seattle and they were called Alice in Chains. Wasn't Facelift just a monster
album too? Still, even though I was already revolting against MTV and their
over commercialization of all music entirely, even though they had Headbanger's Ball with Ricky
Jerkolf Rackman and everything else, you know, the guy was literally the overprivileged,
spoiled kid from La. Yeah. It's like, I mean, literally
take a look at who his parents where. His parents like owned one of
the most successful clubs in LA or his mom did I forget the whole thing,
just like PAULI Shore. You know who's his mother, Mitzi Shore?
Right, she owned a comedy club. I wonder how it is he got
his start in comedy anyway, that they're all legacies there, you know,
yeah, all kinds of legacy stuff going on. You know, uh,
what do you call that? Nepotism? On high demand MTV? And you
know how we're going to try and look like we have integrity with Unplugged,
which Nirvana didn't unplugged, and Alison Chains did a hell of it unplugged.
But Alison James wasn't really a grunge band. But they did come from metal,
but they did come from Seattle. They got mixed in with that,
and I said, at that point, you know what, if Seattle can
create this, I don't mind that the Delia Brothers went out there to go
form Stone Temple Pilots, because those guys are from Point Pleasant, New Jersey.
But you know, it's just all of a sudden, it was like,
maybe I need to take another look at this. Up to that point,
I saw it as a pop culture. I just saw it as you
know, pop culture throwing up on me again, you know what I mean,
as a metal head, and I couldn't stand it. But as time
went on, I appreciated a lot of this stuff, et cetera, et
cetera. So before we get to the list, what else do people need
to know about the grunge generation from two grungey guys. Well, Alison Chains
was the crowning achievement of it, and I think they got pigeonholed into the
genre just like you said. But then it also produced what I considered to
be the second greatest vocalist in rock and roll history, which was Chris Cornell.
Okay, well I'm not gonna argue with you about Chris Cornell. Definitely
a talent, but I mean, you know who stole from who? Who
did the wirbling thing first? Remember that, all right, Eddie Vetter?
Oh where they even accused Wiland of that. They accused the Stone Typle Pilots
of being a knockoff Pearl Jam. And I never saw that because because Stone
Typle Pilots bass player was so technical. But yeah, but see, at
first STP was like it seemed like every song was like, let's imitate one
of the Seattle bands. You know, that's the core album. Yeah,
I mean that's the way it came off when they when they came out and
got successful. It was like every song is Okay, that's their imitation of
Alison Change. Okay, that's their imitation of Sound Garden. Okay, that's
their imitation of Pearl Jam. You know, I mean, hier my air
my am, Now what do you think that was? I mean, come
on, yeah, you know, yeah, I like STP though, man,
I really did that and mainly because of the bass player. He's he's
really really good. But Whyland was talented because he was versatile enough to pick
up on all those singing styles and he was pretty damn good. Although again,
when it's sold to you in a big, giant pop package, you
know, as a metal guy, you immediately sort of are you know,
set in default setting is reject this And I kind of a thing with it
with STP though, when they settled down in their second and third album,
because their first three were folks for us to get down to brass tacks.
I like STP, but their first three albums are the only ones worth listening
to. If you go past that, you went too far right. But
they evolved this this second album became more mellow, and then the third album
was almost a straight seventies I Am Rock retro album. Yes, And here's
the thing about it. You know, once you get into Lady Picture Show
and all that other weirds, it's it's pretty cool, but you can't argue
with and I don't care even though it was in a pop package. It
broke right through and I said, oh, I gotta gotta give STP another
list. And when I heard Dead and Bloated I hadn't Bloated as an awesome
song man. I said, Man, you know that's a monster sound.
That's a singer hitting it on key. That's got some groove, it's got
some soul. And even though it's on a pop album, I gotta I
gotta tip my hat. I mean, it's just core. Though. To
me, the jewel of that entire album was Wicked Garden. I love the
riff in that song, but it was just it was just dirty, you
know what I mean. It just had a dirty, fuzzy sound. I
stand by Dead and Bloated, though, it is my favorite track right there
in that era, because it's just it's it's like just undeniable as a track
overall, even the weirdness of they've got him away from the mic and all
mute it out, and you know, it sounds like he's on a radio
somewhere, so it's like he's not using a mic but a bullhorn way off
in the distance, right, And I can't argue with any of it,
the production value of the whole bit of it. It's it's well done.
I don't want to admit it, just like I didn't want to admit when
I went back and looked at never Mind. It was like, yeah,
this is a pretty damn good album despite smells like team Spirit. Yes it
was there. Let's see. That's what burns me about the grunge era twos
people attached to one specific song that got the most airplay of any any specific
band. Like what really burns me is when I mentioned sound Garden and somebody
says, oh, black Hole Sun, I'm like, ah, yeah,
we're done talking. No, but a great song. But you know it's
a great song though I think it is. It is, but it's not
their their jewel. I mean, but see, not even from that album
is that they're jewel and bad. Motor Finger was better than super Unknown to
me, I got you. But you know, if they didn't overplay it
so much, I bet you wouldn't resent it, you know what I mean,
That's exactly what it is. Because let me let me tell a little
story about when I saw sound Garden in ninety six. Okay, but I
do want to get to this list and close out pretty soon. So let's
let's say control both abbreviated as a general admission show, Lalla Pelooza. We
were in the middle of a big field, big storm, rolls in on
us and I'm talking black inky clouds in the sky. The sound garden is
on the stage. At the time the band leaves the stage, Cornell comes
out in the pouring rain and lightning and wind with all those clouds whipping over
us and does black Hole Sun solo. And before he did it, he
comes out and because it's super hot as in July, he comes out and
he says, it's about time we could get some blank blank rain. He
says, you can get wet, soa can ee and he just breaks into
black Hole Sun solo. Okay, and that was that was super cool.
Okay. I can see that look and you can have an experience, you
know, watching a bandon concert, which will change everything, you know what
I mean as far as your viewpoint of it. I can tell you there's
a few times I had no use for a band and then I saw him
live and I went, oh, I gotta go check it out again.
You know. Rage Against the Machine did that to me because I was somewhat
interested in Rage. But after I saw them live, I was like,
man, these guys got it. They have they they really had it,
like I and I will never stop being a fan of blow up the outside
world either even either and that's that's my life's favorite sound Garden selection. One
of mine is tighter and tighter, but again you can see there's a nuance
and there's a resistance and all that. It wasn't necessarily part of my soundtrack
at that time, you know, but some of it was, some of
it was, some of it wasn't. I mean, I hate to have
to admit that I had to hear, you know, more human than human
way too many times from Rob Zombie, even though I appreciate Rob Zombie's work.
Oh that was Why Zombie. And I'm sorry to split hairs, but
I always have to make that distinction because I'm so fond of Why Zombie and
Rob solo stuff is Okay, Why Zombie, I'm very very fond of,
no problem, but but he's in the band. Okay, Yes, indeed
that is White Zombies Astro Creep two thousand album. Excellent albums. Play it
from start to finish, don't skip anything. That is fantastic and and I
loved the fact that they all jumped into a giant bowl of pudding at the
end of being on The David Letterman Show when they were out promoting that album
and everything's it was great, and they did you know a thing where for
some stupid reason, that guy Paul who I always Paul Shaper I was always
annoyed with. But he's actually doing part of the keyboard part, you know,
always joining in, just like he played, you know, the harmonica
on Training of cons Sequences when Megadeth went on there. I mean, you
know, come on, oh, why does Paul Schaeffer I have to get
involved this weird? I saw them live on the Risk tour in Knoxville,
Tennessee in a bar. Fair enough, Look, the weenie dogs are getting
restless. So I want to get around to this list. And but I
can appreciate the scene you said about that concert, So let's do that.
I have the list in front of me. You don't have it in front
of you, right, I don't, Okay, I didn't ruze it once
before and I was like, yeah, we're really gonna have to cut that
apart, right, So apologies for the damn weenie dogs barking up a storm.
Now, nothing I can do about it. Sorry, guys, But
anyway, let's see, let's read from this the nine best grunge singers Again.
This is from a song American Songwriter dot Com and again at the title
to nine best uh yeah, the nine Best Grunge Singers, it says in
the articles by a Jacob ut or ut Ti whatever that is sounds like a
disease uti right, urinary tract infection. Okay, Anyways. In the late
nineteen eighties and nineties, grunge music was at center of popular culture. Born
in the Pacific Northwest in the then outpost of Seattle, Washington. The rock
subgenre, which included dreary emotional lyrics and muddy music bereft of guitar solos,
became a phenomena that is about the most generic mess you're ever gonna get for
a description, and it's kind of accurate, dreary like Seattle, filled with
rain and stuff boof anyway, and also fits in with the whole apathy motif
we were talking about for Generation X. As a result, bands like Nirvana
and Soundgarden ruled the airwaves, along with others from the city like Pearl Jam
and Alison Chains. But who were the icons of the genre and the lead
singer and songwriters we that we paved that we paving the way. There's a
misprint we're paving the way. I'm sure they meant. Now. Funny thing
I'll dispute here before I get to the list. Alison Chains was not burning
up the airwaves throughout the country. I'm sorry, not at the time.
Nowadays they are part of the classic rock They are part of any grunge,
retrospects, retrospective, Seattle, airplay, whatever. They are part of rock
playlists now, but this came afterwards. Initially they were not driven by airplay.
I don't care what anybody tells you. They were not on the radio
in New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Florida at the time. See
I wasn't in Kentucky. But you know it, even when I made my
trip down here to see Bill Cooper. Okay, I went from Jersey to
Georgia, and I listened to radio stations all along the way. There was
no way in hell I was getting hold of an Alice in Chains airplay anywhere
they were played, not even Man in the Box, which is the same
thing as black Hole sun. You say Alice and Chains, and if the
person says, oh, in the Box, I'm like, yeah, we're
done. Yeah, Well, and there you go. And here's the thing
that would have been a radio friendly thing with the exception of one bad word
in it, but I mean, other than that, it was radio friendly.
And still it was relegated to maybe maybe the overnight heavy metal show yep,
exactly where it was played, you know, like in New York they
had heavy Metal from Hell and they had that was on k Rock, and
then they had Metal Shop and stuff like that. Metal Shop was a nationally
syndicated thing, but there were different things locally where they would have We're gonna
play metal because it's after dark only on Saturdays and only at two in the
morning, you know kind of shows, right, or college radio stations maybe.
But Alison Chains got no airplay love at the time, and Algarden didn't
get alot either, but Alison Chains was overlooked and they were the greatest that
came out of there, so you know, yeah, but you could get
some Sound Garden and some Pearl Jams sometimes if not, you could get Temple
of the Dog, which was the same thing. There you go, and
you definitely got Nirvana even though most time, yes, and most of it
was smells like teen Spirit, but still you got it. Anyways, who
do they got for number one year? Kurt Cobain. Now your thoughts show
disputed. Let's move on disputed, Let's move on. Wow, that was
pretty quick. How about Chris Cornell at number two should have been number one?
Fair enough? I will say I don't necessarily agree, but let's keep
going and see where else we could agree. Number three. I don't think
this guy belongs here, Eddie Vetter, Nope, shouldn't be on there.
No, because he's a poor imitation. Truthfully, he's a poor imitation.
He's he's like Fis Corneil's lower register, and that is all right, and
he ain't going nowhere near Lean Staley nowhere ordinary cant trail for that man who
happens to be number five on the list, Jerry can Trail, which is
weird to me. But yeah, what do you think of that? I
think he should have been higher, possibly three behind my top three. I
would have rounded up Cornell, Staley and a Can Trail right there in the
top three. There it is, I look, and I wouldn't. I
might argue with Cornell a little, but let's go further and see what happens
on this list and see if I can put a different number three in there.
But you're number one, and two. No dispute here anyway. Mark
Lanagan is number six, Mark Lantagan. That's the Screaming Trees. Gut all
right, let's see you passed away Twitter the Bud Honey guy. I always
confuse those two. I just want to make sure. Let's see former front
Man for the Screaming Trees and Supergroup Man season really good laugh, he is
very good live. I saw The Screaming Trees in ninety six. He's very
tall. I think he's dead though he was very tall. Yeah, he
passed away in twenty twenty two. Yeah, complications from COVID allegedly. But
yeah, anyway, here is ridiculousness. Ready for number seven Courtney Love.
Courtney Love doesn't belong on that list at all. She can she can barely
vocalize when she's speaking. She has no singing voice. She has no talent.
The only song that Hole ever did that I halfway liked at all with
celebrity scanning. That's because Billy Corgan wrote it. No, Hey, fair
enough, I got you now. Now here's where we get weird again.
And I think this is just a girl power entry. Tina Bell Oh,
I don't even remember who she is, Okay, so I'll just read the
entry. A local nineteen eighties star and Seattle Tina Bell and her band Bam
Bam never quite got their due during their lifetime, but more recently, music
fans are discovering Bell thanks to her bandmates and interested journalists trying to find out
the beginnings of the solemn rocks shub genre. So here we go. This
is like the mud honey, where people who are in the know and in
on it early knew about her. But that's it. And I think they
just added her to try and add a female. Seriously, that have girl
power, man, I mean I tell people all the time the future is
female. You might as well get used to it. Now. There you
go. And one thing is they show a picture here of the Bam Bam
House demo nineteen eighty four, so you know, at least you can say
this is probably somebody who did assist in originating the genre. Okay, I
wasn't familiar with her at all the band name either, Yeah, but the
vagueness that I remember hearing her, she's not that memorable to me. It
just maybe it's just me. Anyway, how about this one, number nine,
here's where somebody just fell asleep at the switch and then decided, we
don't even have ten of these people to put on the list. Mark Arm,
Mark Arm. That is the guy from mud Honey, right, and
I think he did some guest vocals with Alison Chains on the song right Turn.
I believe so, But they first credit him in the band Green River,
Right. I think they later became mud Honey. Let's see, one
of the original grunge groups, and his next band, mud Honey, was
one of its most popular arms see now Here we Go. Mud Honey was
one of those bands that again was never was, never was. But if
you were supposed to be cool and really into the underground scene of the grunge,
then you knew mud Honey well. And that's just all there is to
that. Mud Honey was not a bad band. They were pretty good.
But yeah, they were okay. I remember them in one of the it
was a Chris Farley movie. I can't remember which one, but mud Honey
was in it. It was it was a black sheet and mud Honey was
in there, and they were putting on a pretty good show there in that
movie. Fair enough, Although I gotta say the best cameo from a band
ever was I think Cannibal Corpse and ashmanter Or a Pet Detective, which was
a movie I never expected to succeed at all, just based on its ridiculous
name. But Jim Carrey became a star through that ludicrous movie. And again
part of our generation. This is the cultural crap we had to work with.
Oh yeah, in Living Color came from our generation. Man. Oh
of course, because there's how you get Jim Carrey. I mean, he
was one of the originals there right, Fire Marshall Bill, yep, Fire
Marshall Bill. And what else did you do on there? He did?
He did a bunch of stuff. I think he played Vanilla Ice on there,
too, didn't he? He may have the I think that we could
probably round that out into a top four with the list that is, with
the Cornell Staley, Cantrail, Arm and the Lannigan and the rest of them
shouldn't even be mentioned to me because they're not really vocalists. Yeah. See,
Now, if you go to top four and you add Arm in there,
Okay, okay, I'll go with with Cornell as number four in my
mind. But okay, but there you have it. You and I can
narrow this down to less than half of the crap they put out, and
I think they just gave up without giving us the top ten. How about
that there there weren't as many as the grunge folks as there were the hair
bands. It's like I said, the hair bands just kept coming out of
everywhere, and as long as you had big hair and a high voice,
you got it. You're in. Yeah, But there were other guys they
could have at sea. They could have logically included. You know, notice
Staley. You know where where is Staley on the list? Look at it?
Yeah? They put him at three. Right, let's see, let's
go take a look real fast. Okay, Cobain's one, Cornell's two.
No vetter is three. By the way, Look, Staley they put at
number four. He don't belong at four. He belongs higher. But Cantrell
and Staley together belong as one and two. You know, you can swell.
I'll say two and three because I'm Cornells. I've been a singer,
and I could cover Lane Staley, and I could cover Jerry Cantrell. I
couldn't follow Cornell. He was just too rangy. See I understand that.
But here's the thing. Even the guy that replaced Lane Staley in Alison Janes
does a technically okay job, you know, live especially I saw them live
with the with the replacement. Okay, but you know something's missing, yes,
you you just and there is an intangible quality which is not necessarily about
a technical skill that I did mourn the death of Lane Staley two when he
died in two thousand and two. I didn't listen to any Alison Janes for
like two or three years because the circumstances of his death were just so incredibly
sad to me, and I just felt that it was even though I never
knew him, it felt like a loss and the way that he went was
just so terrible. Well, I met him, and it didn't hurt me
because I met him. It just hurt me because it hurts. It hurts.
I couldn't listen to Hellis and Chains for two or three years. I'm
glad I finally got out of that. And it was the album Facelift that
that broke me out. Now, this is a good nineties story about our
generation. I was riding around in the nineties and with my cassette deck in
my car. If Facelift was in that cassette deck, you were riding with
me and you pop that cassette out, I would pull over on the side
of the road and be like, put that back in or get out fair
enough. But look, we're going to close it out with this, because
here's the bottom line. Bad representation. I think our generation is not understood,
not our music, not our culture. I'm not sure how much culture
we had, but whatever it was, it's not being memorialized or represented properly.
And forget about my musical taste versus yours or versus anybody's. It's not
about anyway. There is so much missing because I think just we're forgotten.
We're forgotten in the equation because we didn't step up and become the congressman.
We didn't step up and take the reins in a lot of places where we
could have maybe some people would say should have, And it just feels like,
you know what, we just decided we're not gonna join, Like we
actually dropped out a bit. We actually did the sixties day they talked about
it all the time like it was just a grand thing. But then gen
X came along and we actually did. Yeah, we did, just dropped
out less that this is your miss Now, did we do did we do
ourselves or anybody else any favors? I don't think so. I don't think
so. But I think that I think that that mankind as a whole,
no matter what generation it is, as a failure. Well see there you
go. See the failure rate continues no matter what your level of participation might
be. And I think that's the lesson to take away from this particular session
with regular Joe on the Ocelli effects. So I'm gonna leave it at that
guy's no matter who you are, where you are, when you are,
remember I'm merely o'celly. Regular Joe is regular Joe. All of you are
the effect. Good Night,