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Eye on the Ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty on Steve Rivera, he's

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jagon'sauce, and we got our guy
E on the board. We'll see what

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happens today with this board. Just
make sure we're on commercial. We're not

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on the air exactly. So hey, you know, Jeff over here is

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gonna do. It's gonna handle this
really well for us. Okay, good

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luck, Jeff. That's right,
really hard, Okay, No cool.

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Hey Wednesday, we're another day closer
to the Purdue game. Yep. And

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guess what, guys, No matter
how much you bitch and complained, it's

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still on peacock on peacock, man. There's nothing that you can do about

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that. Everybody got it over guy. Look, go get the account for

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you know, month and then turn
it off. But I don't they gonna

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have to use it for the tournament
eventually, is it? Is it gonna

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be one of those channels the tournament. I don't I don't see that.

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I think you know it should be
a test run. Well, it'll be,

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you know, it'll be because CBS
and and TBS will be owned the

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right now and I don't know how
long they own them for, but you

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know they'll use the four channels that
you know they use TBS, CBS,

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t N T and then that True
Channel. That's actually a good setup.

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I know, the True Channel is
not anything we watch any other time of

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the year. Sure, but when
you've got four different games going on and

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you can pick up all four of
them on you know, on a linear

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uh you know, channels and you're
not having to go be back and forth

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between streaming and stuff like that,
that's fine. That's a good thing.

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I don't think it's a problem.
But you know, that's that's where we're

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headed. You know, you're seeing
this stuff on on Prime, now you're

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seeing stuff on Peacock. You know
it's gonna be that way, Steve,

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You're gonna have to figure out how
to use that. Suff Yeah, well

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I'm one of those days, no
watch, I'm gonna I'm gonna use it.

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I'll be on the road, but
I'll see it. Okay, Well

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it is what it is because it's
gonna be on the schedule for a long

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time. Yeah, no, shock, Yeah, one versus three. When

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they set the game, they didn't
think it was gonna be one versus three.

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Who would have brought it to be
one versus three? And and you

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know people who are giving me comments
about that, I'm saying, there was

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no thought that Arizona was gonna be
where they are and that there's gonna be

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a one versus three game. Well, can't they move it? No?

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They can't. Basketball character set ahead. This is not a them problem,

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it's a you problem. If you
can't get it. I figured out,

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well, I said, I told
you. You know, one of the

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guys at my breakfast club, I
explained him. I said, if you've

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got Cox or Comcasts, you've got
you can get it. Yeah, right,

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which which I do. I've got
I've got Comcast or Infinity. Yeah,

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and I've got I've got I've got
Peacocks. So you know, I

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watched put Dan Patrick on every day
again. I get my fill of dateline

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off of that, and and so
it's I've got it and I use it

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so I know how to get there. But there's gonna be more and more

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of that. Okay, Yeah,
well that's just the way it is.

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So that'll come out two thirty on
Saturday with other things going on. Did

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you see the you may have been
in bed, you're no old man.

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Uh did you see the Son's Sun's
Golden State game in Phoenix? No?

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I saw some of this. You
know what happened right Yeah? With with

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Draymond? Yeah, yeah, I
saw that. We were gonna try to

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get Steve curR on next week.
I'm gonna tell him he's going to heaven

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no matter what he does. Giving
the question to ask him about about that,

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like, Okay, Steve, what's
the hardest thing about coaching the Warriors

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coaching Draymond? Yeah, it's a
bunch you know, people wrong with him.

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Well, the guy who he punched
said exactly that, and the guy's

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got issues to play basketball. I
mean, I can't ask you how you

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would handle it, because it's not
a situation you handled it because you didn't

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see. They say, put him
on the bench until he realizes or if

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you can't find him enough. Well, and that's the discussion. I listened

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to Charles Barkley talking about that this
morning and say no, you can find

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these guys all you want. They
got all the money in the world.

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They don't find finds me nothing exactly. You had to find something else.

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And the something else is you embarrass
the hell out of it and stick them

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on the bench. Maybe they're active
and they're getting paid or whatnot, we

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don't play them. That will catch
your attention. But he's not. He's

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not playing on a suspension anything.
He's gonna be on a suspension, right,

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But is that gonna change? I
do not. Probably a guy like

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him, I don't think he you
know, and he'll say that, dude,

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I am who I am, Well
who you are doesn't work. And

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he said that last night. You
know, if I if I, if

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I hit it, I'm not gonna
apologize for something I should. Don't think

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I should apologize. He apologized last
night, right, but still, you're

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affecting the team, right that he's
in Through twenty games, he's affected the

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team. And he's been out thirteen
of the twenty a portion or all of

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thirteen games, either by being suspended, by being injured, by being you

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know, all any one of a
number of things. He's he's he's a

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pain in the ass. And again
another one of those guys that if I'm

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a coach, I don't want him
on my team. Yeah, I'd rather

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have a guy who's not as good, but who's available to me and who's

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not hurting my team than having him
on my team. I don't care what

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the talent with all quick and I'm
not gonna You don't need those guys.

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You don't want those guys because it
affects the situation. And and maybe last

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year wasn't him about him and pool
because pool was an issue too. Uh,

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But too many of those guys forget
it. But they keep going back

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to that that that NBA Finals with
the Brund where he got tossed from a

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game he cast him the next game
cost him the title, and people feel

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that that cost him the time without
a question with Doug in my mind,

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can I follow them as closely as
I can't? Yeah, Yeah, he

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kicked the guy in the nuts and
blah blah. I don't know why you.

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I don't know why you keep that
guy on your team. Whatever the

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talented, he punched his own players, Steve before, let's get it.

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Come on, and what you're talking
team now? If you have one guy

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screwing up the team. One guy
is too many, right, you know,

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because it affects everybody else. Well, how many times have we talked

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about championship teams have to have all
the things around the team in place and

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going well. Can't have drama and
crisis. You know. Everybody's got to

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be on the same page, all
shooting for the same thing in all the

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same ways to win a championship.
And every team that's won a championship doesn't

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have this dysfunction, right, I
mean, think of it. No,

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they have a team that's had that
kind of dysfunction, they don't win championship

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because it's not about you, it's
about the team. H there's football,

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basketball, baseball, hot shress,
whatever it is. You know, if

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you have that drama and that crisis, you can't you can't sustain it.

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Now that you say that, because
we haven't well, we don't know.

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But during Shawn's time, after him
being here a while, one of the

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things is everything's finding good. It
was November December, but we won't know

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to get to the point where who's
in their ears, who's telling them this,

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You're not getting the ball enough,
YadA YadA, And it could very

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well, happen to any team,
including this one. And it happened to

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some Arizona team, oh, without
question, with a bunch of them.

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Without question. Hey we talk about
the age seventeen eighteen year Look, who

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didn't want to be here? What's
the leame start of myer ever on a

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championship? No, he was not, you know, and he was that

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guy was a surly uh extremely talented, but the surly guy. Well,

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how about him? Everybody? What
about Kim and Chris Rodgers on the same

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thing. They know, you have
to be if you got to be on

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your you know, on your behavior
whatever, you know, just kind of

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walking on pins and needles with a
guy like that, that affects the team

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that ultimately gets on the court.
I believe that. No, I don't

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disagree with you. And that's at
any level. You can in the in

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the newsroom, you can have it
in the business area, whatever, right,

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you know. I went through it
where I went and then and then

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if the coach or the boss favors
him because they don't want any uh any

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bad vibe, the other people say, what the hell, No, it's

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just Steve. I had one guy, one guy screw up my team at

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TV screwed it up. I mean, just was he important? Was he

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important? Yeah? He was important? So then even worse because it's important,

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and he screwed it up and the
team broke up, and then I

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ultimately got laid off from those guys. You know, I ended up in

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a position where I was, where
I was expendable, and I got laid

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off. And I blame it on
him, I do, but you know,

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uh partially. But you know,
like you said, it can happen.

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It could happen in here. If
you and I an on the same

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page in terms of what we're doing. This show can't work. Oh no,

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no, of course, right if
Eleon comes in here and starts being

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a butt head, right, Elean, we you know, you know,

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you can mess up the show.
The doors locked. But you know,

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even on even on a small team, you can't have one person screwing it

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up. And in fact, it's
magnified when it's fewer people, right,

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because you gotta figure there's some guys
on Jetfish's team one hundred and however many

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guys they have aren't happy, of
course, right of course, and they

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show it, you know, but
you got to keep it out of the

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thick of the team, you know, the guys who play, the guys

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who you know, and then you
and then you kind of weed out other

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guys and and and and that's how
that's how you try and fix that.

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But you know, a small team
and like a basket ball team, you

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got a guy doing what he's doing. It's hard. It's hard for you

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to overcome that to go out and
win championships, no question. Everybody,

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as they say, the proverbial rope
needs to be pulled in by everybody.

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Uh and and people notice and and
people notice, well he wasn't pulling his

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weight YadA, YadA, because especially
if you have a small team. Yeah,

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if you have a small team and
a core group and you're thinking,

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oh no, you need everybody,
that just some exactly, So good luck.

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We'll try to reach out to him
next week. Yeah yeah, well

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and last night and the rest of
the team is not playing well too,

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Klayt Thompson, uh, the Wiggins, all these guys. And he even

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said, I don't have any more
patience to deal with it, right,

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I don't just get rid of it. We'll see you're the team, We'll

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see you later. Yeah, yeah, we'll see And maybe he doesn't have

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the weight to pull that string.
But but we'll see. And it's you

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know, contracts and all that stuff, because he did talk about you know,

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he well we talked to him and
and he knows, well, if

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you are who you are. What's
that scorpion and the frog, scorpion,

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the turtle, whatever scorpion does something? Yea, the scorpion that the frog

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gets a scorpion right across the street. Then the stings across the street one

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thousand and some river, I don't
know, across the river, whatever cross

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something. I'm thinking about the chicken
crossing the street. All the things I

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know is I'm not playing with scorpions
on any condition. God, Okay,

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hey, we have a good show. Different show today, Jack Howell,

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Yeah, coming on the show early
right now, right in about ten to

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fifty, about ten minutes. Jack
played at Pima or I, back when

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newspapers actually had beat writers covering junior
junior colleges. Yeah, the beat writer

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covering the team. You're telling you
what seventy something No. Eighty five,

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eighty five, eighty six times,
Greame carving the teams. He played on

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there for rich all Day. Went
on to play at Arizona and then got

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into the major leagues for I had
a long turn in the major league.

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He's still in baseball. He's coaching
a minor league baseball team and he's in

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the Angels organization. I think he's
in the Angels organization. So Jack how

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will be in there. The local
kid went to Poulverty High School. He'll

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be on and he was just inducted
in the Pemon College Sports Hall of Fame.

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We've had a couple of those folks
on GIL already on earlier in the

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week, and then that we came
through with the interview. We're gonna have

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Jade and Bradley, sophomore guarded Arizona
kid who came in from Alabama, one

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of the guys that's been a key
to what they're doing this year. Again

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ready for Purdue and as an added
bonus playing his old team Alabama next week.

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So we'll ask him what he's thinking
about that. But Jade and Bradley

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will come in at about four fifteen, four to twenty if you want to

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stick around for that as well.
Okay, no super super and anybody who

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wants to call please do if you
disagree with us on the curt thing.

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That's fine, We're okay with you
guys telling us we're wrong. Anything else

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you always want to talk about,
that's fine. We have a women's game

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today, women's game tonight. They've
got number five Texas tonight at McHale,

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So being my last game on their
stat cruise, Dave, I've given it

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a So are they gonna have cake
for you? I don't think so.

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I don't think they're gonna notice that
I'm gone. But but you know,

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they've got they've been working on getting, you know, people trained to do

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it. I've done it starting in
the COVID year, a little beuh before

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the COVID year, so you know, it's been a while that I've been

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doing it. It's been fun.
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and watch the fan base grow and
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they're I mean, there's still getting
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know, there were some games that
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four hundred, So you know that
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my wife's season ticket bailer. So
so listen, assume that they play

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well. You have some high hopes
if they play because Texas Texas is good,

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really good. So how can you
get your game like tonight? If

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you see how they compete. Let's
take this. Let's take this car real

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quick. Hi, you're on the
air and eye on the ball. Yeah,

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Jack Holt, Jack, Jack,
you're a little early if you want

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to, I don't know, call
us back in about five minutes. We

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haven't gotten to break yet. We
haven't gone to our break yet, and

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we don't want you to sitting on
hold all this time. Okay, cool

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us literally call us at eighteen after
the hour. How that you got it?

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Okay, okay, we'll get you
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real quick. We got about a
minute to get over this you're talking about.

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Well, I think I think they
need to compete. You know.

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If they go out there and just
get raked over the coals, you know,

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get beat by twenty five, right, and don't look good, you

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know, But if they compete,
if they if they keep the game close,

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if they look like they've got you
know, they could lose by ten

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or twelve points and you can still
feel like they competed pretty well in the

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game. And they can lose by
ten or twelve points and you can say

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they had no shot but I think
they need to show that they can compete,

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that they've got players who can who
can play against the type of players

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that Texas gonna be coming in with
today. Yeah, so I think that

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that I think that's what I think, that's what a deal will be looking

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for, uh, to see how
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it. It's a huge challenge or
number five in the country, and and

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then and they need and this lecture
kind of helped them measure because we talked

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about yesterday there are five PAC twelve
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in the AP women's basketball rank.
I think I think it was fine.

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I mean, this is a time, this is a type of team they're

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gonna have to face seven, eight, nine, ten times this year.

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They're gonna have to They're gonna have
to step up. We'll see what happens.

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Okay, we gotta go all right
with yep. Yeah, we're gonna

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we have Jack Howell, a new
inductee into the PEMA College Sports Hall

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of Fame. Former Pima baseball star, Arizona baseball star. Jack. How

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are you. I'm doing great,
nice, Thank you so much, appreciate

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the call. Great to have you
on the line. We've never met you

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and I personally, but go and
doing some of my books that I did

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for basketball. I realized a while
back, I think I'm right. Your

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dad played for the hoop team Ale. Yeah, my dad was a star.

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Yeah at Tucson HI, and then
got to go to Arizona and he

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was in two Border Conference championships,
one NCAA tournament and then had the single

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game scoring record there for probably ten
or twelve years. Yeah. Before another

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guy shows up and Ernie McCrady comes
in, Well that yeah, dad said

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My dad always joked, and he
was a very humble guy, but he

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always joked and said had they had
the three point line instead of thirty three

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out of score sixty three, he
was shoot the way they hell out there,

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he was jo That's interesting. So
does that mean that you know,

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as you were as you were coming
through and playing at Pima, actually coming

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through high school? I mean,
was the u of a kind of the

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place where you were gonna where you
go you were gonna want to end up?

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Or did you have a pretty open
mind about that? Yeah. So

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when we did the whole Hall of
Fame induction, they only gave us about

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a minute and a half to talk. So I did mention my dad,

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But if if in an interview or
given my testimony, you're hitting right on

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where the big testimony would be,
and that is he's Jack hal senior.

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I'm junior. I wanted to follow
in his footsteps. So a lot of

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people don't know, but I do
share this is that growing up in you

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know, middle school and even up
into high school, I wanted to be

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a basketball player. I wanted to
you know that everyone says, you know,

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where is it always a dream to
be a pro baseball player, said

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no, I wanted to be in
basketball. I went to two or three

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of Fred Snowden's basketball camps, and
then I even went to the Jerry West

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basketball camp in California. So,
yeah, I wanted to follow in his

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footsteps. I wanted to go to
Arizona. But when you're a senior and

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you're five six, one hundred and
thirty five pounds, of those dreams slowly

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go away, quickly go away.
Plus you were able to hit a curveball,

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so that that had a factor in
right exactly, So I went to

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the Well, I think there'd be
a lot of people that say, I

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never really figured out the curve ball, but I could really turn on a

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fast fall. Well there's that.
So so you do really well at Pima.

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At what point did the U of
A come calling? Well, So,

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then the second reason for wanting to
go to Arizona was one staying in

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state where I was born and raised. But I had grown up in the

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Christian faith and had gone to a
lot of the FCA meetings where Jerry Kendall

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would speak, and so the next
mentor would have been I wanted to play

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for Jerry Kendall, and just so
happened that two really good years there at

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Pima, and that I got an
opportunity to go play for him my junior

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year. So, you know,
back, I'm going all the way back

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to you know, when I covered
good Piema, and I think I don't

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know if I have actually wrote this, but you know what I what I

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got from Rich all day. I
think I recall it that you were just

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a guy that worked hard. You
know that there were there were players who

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were you know, naturally don't take
this wrong, but naturally more talented than

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you, but you outworked them and
that's how you made your bones as both

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as a college player and then obviously
later, you know, all the way

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to the major leagues. Would you
agree with that? Oh yeah, yeah,

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no you're not. I don't take
that person at all, because that's

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my testimony and it went all the
way through, you know, my story

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of how I got to play at
pimat to then getting the chance at Arizona,

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to then you know, making it
quickly to the big leagues with the

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Angels, but then going you know, after eight years, going to Japan

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and you got to go figure Japan
out, and then you know, everyone

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thought that after being an MVP and
having four good years in Japan. I

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would just call the Angels and they'd
asked me back. They did ask me

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to come back, but they had
me comes as a free agent tryout,

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and then had a really good year
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them, and they said, well, come to screening training and try out.

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So everything has just been tryout,
work hard, you know, and

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and and and get the break.
And I've just had breaks. But I

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think it's what you said is probably
learned that through my dad and even my

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mom. I talked about the faith, but then just just hard work,

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ethic. Yeah, no, and
a lot of work. I'm sure.

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So I'm kind of I google you
just to see what what's up? And

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your cards, your car? Do
you know your baseball cards? I'm curious.

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I have a lot of them.
Yeah, you get some money in

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your pocket. So are you telling
me I can retire from baseball? Not

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quite. I'm saying you have a
dinner at Flemings waiting for you. I

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know a card guy. We know
a card guy who's a sponsored jack.

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If you ever feel like you want
to do something with that, hey,

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let me ask you. You know, you played for arguably two of the

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greatest coaches in any sport to coach
here in Tison. Rich all Day Jerry

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Kendall too seemingly really different guys.
Describe any similarities or differences between the two

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of them were playing for the two
of them. Yeah, I talked a

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little bit about this in a minute
and a half speech for the Hall of

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Fame. I just my whole career
based around my parents and those two coaches

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that you're talking about, Well,
I talked about, you know, especially

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this time of year, faith,
hope and love, especially with Jerry Kendall,

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was about the faith, you know
that being a believer, trusting in

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the Higher power, being the best
person you can be. And all Day

408
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was that way too. And then
the hope they just gave you hope.

409
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You know. I walked in and
tried on a team and if you remember,

410
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and I think that eighty team with
Garrett Naugo and the season he had

411
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that was the first team to ever
go to a Junior College World Series for

412
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Tema. That team was loaded and
all they even told me that when I

413
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walked in the office that day,
But he said, you know what,

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come on and try out and let's
see what we got. So he was.

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He gave me hope, He gave
me an opportunity. One needs opportunity

416
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and then love. Both of those
people, not you know, could really

417
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showed a lot of love into their
players. And I know that love sounds

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corny, but there can also be
tough love too, and they were both

419
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to do that too. If you
weren't working hard, if you weren't being

420
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the type of person and player they
wanted you to be, they could really

421
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show tough love as well. So
just a faith and a belief in yourself,

422
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hope and opportunity and then of course, of course, you know,

423
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disciplined us with love and with discipline
and set boundaries for us. I mean,

424
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both of them had their own unique
style, but it was all based

425
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around that. And you know,
when you can you have a leader,

426
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you know, I try to do
that in my you know, I'm working

427
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for the Angels now. I try
to do the same thing. You've got

428
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to have tough conversations. You've got
to be honest with players, and you've

429
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got to push them, you know. But on the other hand, they

430
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have to know that you love and
care about them and their career. And

431
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that's what those those two guys really
did. I knew they cared about me.

432
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I knew they had the best.
And then even at school, you

433
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know, the chances are going on
and playing pro baseball. But they pushed

434
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the school too. If you weren't
passing your grades, where they'd find a

435
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tutor for you, or they'd make
you miss a practice and go in and

436
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finish your work. They didn't get
let you get away with much. I'll

437
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tell you that. So now that
you're a manager, do you use some

438
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of that in how you coach or
how you teach? Well, there's no

439
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.880
doubt, there's no doubt. I've
been known to I didn't create the phase,

440
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:40.000
but I lived. When I'm talking
to coordinators or staff or else.

441
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.680
You know, the players they know
that. You know, attitude reflects leadership.

442
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So I think if we as leaders
don't have that attitude, then it's

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not going to trickle down to the
players. So I tried to show them

444
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.400
that same thing. I try to
lead by example. I've got myself and

445
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.799
you kept myself in shape, and
you know, I try to have open

446
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:06.240
communication. My door is always open. There's times they're coming in and we're

447
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.319
talking about their swing and the mechanics
or their swingers. Other times they come

448
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.799
in and talk about troubles they're having
at home. You want that door to

449
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.720
be open, that they can come
in and sure anything with you at any

450
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.240
time, and you just want to
give them, you know, some confidence

451
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.839
and to try to help them work
through it. So I just preach attitude

452
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.319
reflects leadership. If I don't have
the right attitude, and I'm not setting

453
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.039
those examples for myself, you know, how in the world can you really

454
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:37.039
get players to play for you and
to exude the same characteristic So tell us

455
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.200
more about the coaching piece of this, because you've been you know, you're

456
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.839
still in baseball. I'm looking at
your thing, you know, not giving

457
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.880
anything up. Right, You're sixty
two years old and you're you're still in

458
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.680
baseball. I mean, was that
always the plan? What did you think

459
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.640
you're going to do? And then
you know, what's the plan now you're

460
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.240
managing a minor league baseball team.
I don't know if that's still what you're

461
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.599
doing with at least you were relatively
That's a great question. And you know,

462
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.200
you get done with baseball. You've
had a long career, You've been

463
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.039
away from your family, and I
took a lot of people don't realize this.

464
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.200
I didn't play that I tore my
bicept in the off season lifting,

465
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and so I didn't come back.
In the year two thousand with Houston,

466
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.079
I was going to try out again
for them, and that would have been

467
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playing in the eighties nineties in two
thousand and three decades, which was really

468
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.240
big for me. But once that
bicep tour, I said, you know

469
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.640
what, I'm just going to quit
and I retired. And so from in

470
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.880
two thousand and two thousand and one, I just spent time with family.

471
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.119
You know, a lot of people
don't realize, you know, the sacrifices

472
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.640
you take. And I had four
kids, had been away from my family

473
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:48.680
for sixteen seventeen years, spent time
with them. I coached some what do

474
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.160
you call it independent baseball for my
son, watched the help coach some of

475
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:57.640
his high school and just enjoyed family. But then, really long answer to

476
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:03.160
your question was, I had tried
a couple little business things, and then

477
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.680
I thought about lessons and I did
this, and I said, you know,

478
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.880
I realized about me, really,
the only thing I truly have a

479
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.119
passion for and that I really know
is baseball. So you guys will appreciate

480
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.880
this name. I called up Ron
Hassey, who was a great friend of

481
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.839
mine. We used to golf together
in the offseason, and he was a

482
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.880
director for the Diamondbacks, and I
just said, look, man, I

483
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.960
want to go back to work,
and he gave me my first job.

484
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.720
My first job was with the d
Backs as a rookie ball manager in the

485
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.319
Zula, Montana. The very next
year, I was the hitting coach for

486
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:42.079
the Triple A Sidewinder baseball team,
which was a really great experience. Then

487
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.519
I became a hitting coordinator. Then
for a long time for the d Backs,

488
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.839
I was their field coordinator, kind
of help and run the minor leagues.

489
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:53.559
And then I got a chance to
be the d backs big league hitting

490
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.240
coach for two years, and I
went to Jim Fleming, you know we

491
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.839
talked about team. Was a vice
president for the Marlins, and when the

492
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.920
d Bucs let me go, he
brought me over as a hitting coordinator.

493
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.640
Then Seattle signed me for four years
and I was their field coordinator, and

494
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:15.119
I came back to the Angels was
the field coordinator for two years, and

495
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:20.440
then for about four or five years
I went back into managing, so and

496
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.440
then now they made me the player
development staff coach. So you can just

497
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.359
see this big circle right from just
getting your start all the way to big

498
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.640
league coach to then back to managing. And it's like this big circle of

499
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.839
baseball. And as long as I
love the game, which I do and

500
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:43.440
I've given opportunity, I just want
to give back to players and I just

501
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.720
love doing it. There's so many
coaches and people that pushed me along my

502
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.480
career that that's I feel like I'm
kind of giving back to other players.

503
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.200
After reciting all those numbers, I
have you about eighty years old? I

504
00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:01.200
mean, yes, you know that's
how I feel. So we talked.

505
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.440
We talked to Gil Ready a couple
of days ago. I think it was

506
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.279
how was it? And J asked
this question of Gil, So, when

507
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.720
you eventually get to the big leagues
and you get in your first game,

508
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.720
where were you and how did that
feel? Yeah, it was a great

509
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:21.400
call up in Anaheim and the best
people have asked this over the years.

510
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.519
The best thing I can explain it
is, you know, all the years

511
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.240
of you know, playing in college
and then even in the minor leagues,

512
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.799
you could hear the crowd and the
noise and you learn to kind of tune

513
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.680
that out. Of course there isn't
much in small college and of course in

514
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.920
minor league baseball, but I mean, you can just kind of hear all

515
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.200
the sounds and you just you're in
tune with what's going on. You're locked

516
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.200
in. I guess everyone uses that
word you're focused talk in. When I

517
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.559
went up there for my first at
bat in the big leagues, you know,

518
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.119
with thirty forty thousand screaming people,
but it was really weird because it

519
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:01.640
was I felt numb and it was
a super quiet. I think that was

520
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.160
part of I think it was the
fact that I was really probably scared to

521
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.119
death, you know, and the
body, the body just kind of froze.

522
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.159
But it's it's it's a hard thing
to explain. Man. It is

523
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:20.320
the weirdest, craziest feeling. Never
really ever had that feeling since. But

524
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.239
then once you kind of get a
hit and start playing, and you kind

525
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.880
of start realizing, wait a minute, this is just a game of baseball,

526
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:29.400
you know, and things kind of
loosen up a little bit. But

527
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.320
what playing in the big leagues is
just a daily grind, and you know,

528
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.920
you get media and you're playing in
front of fans and parents and people,

529
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:44.559
and it's a grind, man,
it's a mental grind. I spend

530
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.880
a lot of time, you guys
ask kind of in those field coordinating.

531
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.760
And then this year as a staff
coach, I really probably more than nexes

532
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.559
and o's and I don't think anyone
when my career is over would say I

533
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.920
was, you know, the greatest
hitting coach or the greatest in field coach

534
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.199
or whatever. I talk a lot
about the mental side because had I not

535
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.119
had that mental pecuity that I had, and I don't know really where that

536
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.719
came from, but you know what's
the it's the greatest. It's a it's

537
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.159
a cliche saying, but it is
so true, and that is, you

538
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.719
know, we spend the game is
eighty percent mental, but yet we spend

539
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:25.440
eighty percent of our time on the
mechanical. Yeah. And so I constantly

540
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.519
push pushed our staff in front office
into the players. They'll come in and

541
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.079
want to talk about their swing,
and I won't even talk mechanics first until

542
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.039
I talk about, well, where
are you are you? Are you breathing?

543
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.920
Are you focused? Where are you
mentally? Is there stuff going on

544
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:45.360
at home? You know? And
Inevitably, something other will come up that

545
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.519
we can kind of clean up and
clear up, give them a little bit

546
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.159
of hope, and then the next
thing, you know, the mechanics sometimes

547
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.280
take care of themselves. I love
that. I love that's really interesting because

548
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.840
I love that's but it's true.
I mean, you could have something that's

549
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.960
so true at home or girlfriend because
we talk about Well, the one thing

550
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.480
in this business, in being a
journalist business that I found out you can't

551
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.119
tell in college specifically, is the
emotional emotional state of the kids, right

552
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.880
because you don't know with class girlfriends, YadA YadA, and they have a

553
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.000
bad game on Saturday. He says, here's this guy who's fantastic, but

554
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.519
then he had a bad game.
How does this happen? Well, there's

555
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.360
other things going on. Well,
I learned this, and I wish I

556
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.679
could give credit to who it is. I believe. I believe the Seattle

557
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.880
football coach talks about it a little
bit. And maybe I learned that when

558
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.440
I was over in Seattle. But
you have to learn a learner so that

559
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.079
you can influence the influencers, right, you know what I mean? So

560
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.559
if I learned, if I'm learning
the learn or the kid that I'm trying

561
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.280
to teach or the athletes that I'm
trying to teach, if they really buy

562
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.639
into me, then that has a
big influence on the other people that are

563
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.880
influencing, whether it be their nightlife
or the way they're eating, or trouble

564
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.360
with a girlfriend or a wife or
whatever it is. If I could really

565
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.840
get them watch and then learn and
understand them, then that really helps to

566
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.760
influence the people that are having an
influence outside of the game and in veribly.

567
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:13.079
Does it work, definitely, And
that's the reason why. I mean,

568
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.679
you know it's not always true,
sure, And that's that mental piece.

569
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.800
There's just sometimes when I see it
all the time, you know,

570
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.840
they're like, this guy is so
talented. It's the best swing I've ever

571
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.960
seen, such a great athlete.
He can run like a deer, he

572
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.000
plays great defense. But you know, he just is not consistent. He

573
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.320
just doesn't perform. I'm telling you
ninety percent of the time. I'm like,

574
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.880
you can have the greatest swing in
the world and be the best athlete,

575
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.440
but he's mentally weak. Yeah,
just when the lights come on,

576
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.280
it's it's it's hard to lock in
and and then you see it on the

577
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.360
other side too. I've seen you
and you guys have probably seen it and

578
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.559
all the guys you cover, You're
like, it's not the greatest swing.

579
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.559
He's below average speed, he doesn't
really have a great arm. He's a

580
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.159
basic vender. But man, when
the game on the line, the guy

581
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.400
just produces. Right. Well,
thank you very much, Thank you very

582
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.239
much for joining us. We didn't
even talk about show. But we'll get

583
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.519
you another time. Yeah. Sure, you guys are welcome to call it

584
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.840
anytime. I love sharing my stories
and anyway I can help. Please call

585
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:22.599
and thank you for all the support
you do for the sports and around Tucson.

586
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.239
Well, we're happy to do it, Jack, and give my regards

587
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:29.480
to your son. Dallas. Actually
was coaching softball at Saint Gregory when he

588
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:30.800
was coaching baseball over there, so
I had a chance to meet him.

589
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:36.760
Great, great kid. He's a
kid, and he's a wonderful, wonderful

590
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.880
young man, and I'm so proud
of him. And he's so in real

591
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:45.840
estate and Tucson now but still has
that Arizona Select baseball team and you know,

592
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.159
well, I know we got to
go but real quickly. I don't

593
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:54.239
know if people know, but he
married Andy Lopez's daughter kill so he is

594
00:38:54.320 --> 00:39:00.400
tied into the baseball family there man
and hangs out with Andy Lopez. And

595
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.039
then the influence that I give him
and I'm just proud of he's leading the

596
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:06.480
young man in two soon. That's
great. Well, the stories you guys

597
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.599
probably tell me, I can't imagine. Okay, Hey, thank you,

598
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.440
thanks a bunch, Jack, appreciate
it. Be well, yeah, that

599
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.199
was good. That was good.
Very mild man guy. Yeah, Hey,

600
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.079
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650
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Salmas. This is I on the
Ball on Fox Sports fourteenth fifty. Hey,

651
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welcome back, to Oin of the
Bault Hero Cooky Young Steve, He's

652
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Jay Be better known as Jeff pay
with us today. We got ten minutes.

653
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Three went a little long when it
was a good long five minutes.

654
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That was good. Yeah, well
that's good. I liked them. And

655
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.039
you know what, it threw me
off because I thought I started covering Pima

656
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.920
when I became a full time sports
writer, and it was when I was

657
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.239
still doing the high school stuff,
so it was before I graduated. So

658
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.719
he left Pema b at the same
time I did, So I was still

659
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.519
twenty one years old when when I
was. Because he's a little younger than

660
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.119
you writing he's two years younger than
me, I was still he was barely

661
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.880
younger than me back then. Yeah, sixty. It was when I got

662
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.000
my first job at the Star.
Was was part time of covering high school

663
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.440
sports. I was one of the
guys in that they gave me the assignment

664
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.599
to cover PEMA as part of that
group of reporters who did that stuff.

665
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.400
So it was before I was actually
a full time reporter with the Star.

666
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.800
So it was that eighty eighty and
eighty one time frame that he was their

667
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:02.719
team and they did go to the
College World Series and being that I was

668
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.920
just a little put knocker at the
time. Yeah, no, they I

669
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.639
think they hired a stringer. Yeah. I think the thing was in somewhere

670
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:20.159
Nebraska. Well obviously wasn't in Omaha. Maybe it was eighty fours won.

671
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.159
I think it was in Omaha or
not. It wasn't Omaha, but it

672
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:29.880
was in Kansas. We got a
call. It's like this call. Hi,

673
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.000
You're on the air and I on
the ball. Hey, how you

674
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:37.239
doing what? I'm not talking to
you? Okay, here's the lead.

675
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.079
My family were pretty good for we're
good decent friends back in the day around

676
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.800
two thousand with howl and Kelly,
Jack and Kelly and of course you know

677
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:52.639
they're good friends with Bossburg. Oh
yeah, okay, of course yeah.

678
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.559
And Kelly always said when they went
to Japan, because the twins, the

679
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.039
twins are the same age as Adam, You're and my oldest son, Howie,

680
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.760
they're the same age. They're like
thirty, right, isn't Adam about

681
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.920
thirty? So is the twins,
and so is my son Hunt the Hunter

682
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.440
and Haley and she said when they
were in Japan, everybody they thought it

683
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.599
was so a blessed day the Japanese
that she had twins. It was very

684
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.400
they just loved that. I got
a really funny story about Jack because we're

685
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.920
into wine, right and of course
because we went to church together too,

686
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.239
or we saw him at church.
They went to the same church. Anyway,

687
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.159
we're drinking wine, I mean,
or there's a wine story. We

688
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.400
weren't there. But Jack always tries
to hide the wine from the kids back

689
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.920
then, so he would like put
it in a dixie cup. My wife

690
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.840
can say, why did you say
that? Tell that story? You know

691
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.800
what I mean. He tried to
hide the fact about to his kids that

692
00:45:52.840 --> 00:46:00.360
he was drinking wine in a dixie
cup. Yeah, it's like my dad

693
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.920
never drink. You know. That's
because he just has that personality like my

694
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.079
son, they don't drink, which
is great, you know, and like

695
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:14.480
being Nico, Nico's on a whole
other level. I'm not sure. Yeah.

696
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:19.360
Yeah, the spread is going to
be about handicap at the Produo game,

697
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.480
and we're probably going to be favored
even though we're by two and a

698
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.639
half three. Yeah, I think
that's going to be the spread either way,

699
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.079
either way. I think a couple
of points, yeah, either way,

700
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.239
one way or the other. Right, But but I'll be steve vere

701
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.039
here. We're going to cover I
won't go to say it's more. It's

702
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.440
hard to leave it at that.
It's hard to say I wouldn't. The

703
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:44.800
Warriors got more problems than just dream
on his behavior. Yeah, well their

704
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:50.000
talent is diminished. And Thompson,
oh yeah, Thompson's not going to get

705
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.800
a big contract at all. It's
business and he's not worth the contract.

706
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:58.119
The Draymon's not worth his contract to
twenty five million. And and Clay he's

707
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.920
not going to get that either.
Well, it's unless it's going to be

708
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.719
a thank you for what you go
to the past, because you can't do

709
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.760
that anymore. When you lose two
years like Thompson did, it's just you

710
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.480
don't get it back. He's not
the same guy, Howard. Let's worry

711
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:16.480
about your backyard, your son's your
sons are playing that the Michael Bridges tonight

712
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:22.559
in Brooklyn. You know we're going
the right direction. Unfortunately Golden State's not

713
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.360
going in the right direction. All
right, Thank you guys, thank you,

714
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.840
thank you. Howard. I love
Howard because he's all over the map.

715
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.480
We covered the Suns, that covered
the Warriors. We covered solved the

716
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.920
world's problems. He was in Japan
for a little bit there. Yeah,

717
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:43.519
crazy stuff and Howard always a great
caller. Yeah, okay, we got

718
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.039
about five minutes. Anybody you want
to call one last second, we can

719
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.800
take your call. But again,
good talk to Jack. Don't even know

720
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.039
you know, he probably wouldn't.
Well. The thing is he listens to

721
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.559
us on the radio because you could
tell what he you know, when he

722
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.199
talked about certain things, right,
which is cool. Yeah, people listen

723
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.239
to us sometimes, Yeah, kind
of nice. I don't I don't know.

724
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.360
Jeff over here listened just before he
got here. Jeff didn't know who

725
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:13.039
the heck we were to hispanic dude
two hispanic guds on the radio. We're

726
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:16.639
not in his wheelhouse. We're not
in the demographs a lot of people's demographic.

727
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:22.239
Yeah, it was good that the
gym called yesterday to kind of because

728
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.320
he had he already called me to
say he called. I remember I posted

729
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.800
that I was out, and I
posted that that podcast when he wanted to

730
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.840
test you up to his uh,
his complete uh miss on Arizona against Utah,

731
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.760
which weeks ago. But I'm glad
he stepped up and did that,

732
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.039
you know, is that kind of
a guy. It seems like another guy.

733
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.519
Did another guy leave Oklahoma? I
think in the last couple of days

734
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.760
or so, it was ah uh
defensive back. I think we're lying back

735
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.880
something on defense. It was it
was really good. So just you know,

736
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.719
I'm just another guy leaving and it
was not getting ready for the true

737
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.719
they're back on the field. I
think, right, this is when I

738
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:00.960
think the start. I think this
is the week that they kind of do

739
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:06.599
a lot of you know, fundamentals. A lot of the young guys get

740
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.000
there, get their time on the
field. This is where the really the

741
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.039
benefit of playing in a bowl game
comes in. They sure guy some extra

742
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.480
practice, some extra time, but
it's an extra you know. It's funny

743
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:21.159
that jet. And this is another
thing go ahead. Was they were at

744
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:22.480
the click the coach at the Clippers
game. Oh I saw that. I

745
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.320
saw that. Yeah, because he
was out recruiting. Probably well, I

746
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.119
think it's probably trying to get some
money from Steve Palmers. They need something

747
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.960
and money, Steve. Did you
see that? The Robbins, I guess

748
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.960
is getting ready for the presentation.
If not, he already did it today.

749
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.880
I say something in the Star.
Well, it's the twenty fifth.

750
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.960
The fifteenth is his deadline for for
presenting it. I think that I saw

751
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.800
something in the Star that you can
go live and see some of the meetings.

752
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.760
So yeah, he's up against it. He's up against it now with

753
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.480
two days left to get a proposal
of what's gonna what they're gonna do.

754
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.039
It's scary, man, yea for
people that were at the Arizona were working

755
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:06.000
in Arizona. The people were mad
about what's what's happened? Let me ask

756
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.000
you for maybe a clarification, and
I'm you're not going to conferb it.

757
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:13.280
Uh, maybe you will, but
you're not a source stops conferment. This

758
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.880
is the first time they've been under
over budget. No, they've been over

759
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.320
a budget before. Well, they
had to sell furniture or they change furniture.

760
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.880
I can't remember the university as a
whole or athletic athletics. Well,

761
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.920
you know, when when Live and
Good was here, that was that was

762
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.519
go. I know. But when
Live and That was the thing that they

763
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:35.800
were always in the black always.
I don't know how that went or how

764
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.920
that's been going since then, but
at that time, and yes, it

765
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.159
meant that there were times that you
had to let some people go, so

766
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.920
I I just stayed there, right, But they never went in the hole.

767
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.239
Okay, that makes sense, you
know, but they went in the

768
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:52.280
whole, you know, nearly fifty
million dollars alone the COVID year. Yeah,

769
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.679
right, so there's that. But
there obviously has been some more since

770
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.320
then. And I don't know if
it's a hangover from the COVID stuff,

771
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.039
you know, or if it's the
you know, the the you know,

772
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:06.039
a lack of attendance at football,
because you know, they always say that

773
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:07.840
football is the most important. Sure, you know, if you want to

774
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.039
help softball, you know, buy
a football ticket kind of thing. And

775
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.280
attendance during the sum of the years
was awful, awful, and then they

776
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.239
had to buy them out. But
it's my understanding that someone the buyout came

777
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.280
from. Yeah, someone else paid
for that, and and with Sean too,

778
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.320
but Sean was But when you're getting
twenty five or thirty thousand people at

779
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.719
your games instead of forty to forty
five, which is pretty much with the

780
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.280
crowds that were here this year,
and they're obviously hoping for more than that,

781
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.079
you know, in the coming year, that's big. That's huge.

782
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.960
You know everything relies on football and
even basketball to a degree. His stay.

783
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:45.320
You know what, there's somebody calling
us right now. We got we

784
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:46.960
can't take the call right now.
Call us on the other side, man,

785
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.119
give us a call on the other
side of this commercial, we'll be

786
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.079
doing breaking news. We would love
to hear from you. We got to

787
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:57.320
break for our for our top of
the hour here. We can't go over,

788
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.960
so I appreciate your trying to call. We give us a call back

789
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.039
after this break coming up, So
we got to wrap up. We got

790
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.480
about fifty seconds here. But you
know, getting back to that Steve,

791
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.760
you know, it's it's all about
the It's all about the football, not

792
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.159
even the basketball. But I was
gonna say basketball has even attendance, is

793
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.679
you know sure it's not fourteen thousand
and six eighty sure every game? No

794
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:19.960
like last like last game. Yeah, we'll talk more about this on the

795
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.079
other side and maybe give a couple
of callers or two talking about it.

796
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:27.239
Yeah, who you got right.
We got Jaydon Bradley coming about four twenty

797
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.039
from Arizona basketball sophomore, a key
guy to what they're doing right now.

798
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.880
We're talking about the Fordue game coming
up and then he's transferred in from Alabama.

799
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.079
We're talking him about facing his old
team next week. So stick around.

800
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.960
Don't believe. Let's just last.
Don't believe, Let's la. Don't

801
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.360
believe, just La belie