Yo, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to another episode of My Cannoncast.
I'm candidates, I'm groovy. On today's episode, we have special guests
Parker and Alex of Apex Solvent List. Thank you guys for joining us today.
Thanks for having us. Welcome to party. Yeah, welcome. We
met you guys at Hetty. Actually this is the second time we met you
guys last year at Big Cloud when we were performing. But Hetty we connected
and set up this performing. Now let's go. He's gonna have the cow
bows crushing it, perform smoking. What did I say that? Like?
You my main instrument? Don't steal your fire gas? Too funny? But
no, let's get into who you guys are and uh, what do you
guys do for apex Oh? Well, my name is Parker and I'm like
one half of of apex UM. I do a lot of the organization of
the teams, kind of like what's going where in terms of genetics, what
we're flowering, um, making sure stuffs in stock, stuff like that.
So that's a lot of my my role. Just make sure the team UM
moves smoothly from an organizational standpoint, and making sure the garden is healthy.
From from a health you know, make sure the garden's healthy. Nice and
uh, I'm Alex and I wash everything. Oh year the man. Actually
I'm usually in the lab by myself for for the week it takes the do
the harvest. But uh damn, it's it's hell of fun. It's cold,
but I really get a lot of enjoyment and flfilment from it. Oh
yeah, how it feels important for sure? How long have you been doing
APEX and what you'll do? About three? So this is our fourth year.
M Yeah, we started a couple of years ago. Um, we
had dreams once while year. We once you know, we were gonna like,
oh we should make our own distal it right, this is gonna be
so much fun. Oh yeah. And then we were like started looking at
essentially took traveled around and took some classes and started looking at like the metrics
of what you need. It's like, oh, for one, you need
like fifty pounds of material of trim or something like that, so like sourcing
stuff becomes really difficult, you know. Um, so that was that was
just something that we we were toying around with. And then uh we were
like, oh you know, let's let's go into ros because Alex over here
you had some buddies and curious, when was it. When when'd you say,
like let's get into Rosa, Like what year, because like we've been
seeing a slowly ramp up and now it's just like, yeah, it was
really like twenty nineteen, Like it was like at the curve. Yeah,
And that's kind of like where we follow like future yeah and other like cannabis
advocacy sits and stuff. So we had an idea of like what the cutting
edge was for cannabis at the time, and we decided to run with Rosin
and we actually started growing first, but like auto flowers and ship in the
basement and it was real garbage, just like personal stuff we were doing.
Yet we had no clue what we were really getting into, um like,
and then we built a lab started sourcing shitty trim just because we were like,
oh, we could just make it out of trim, right right,
Well, I mean that's what everyone did with their trim, you know what
I mean, just make money out of it, right, You're gonna throw
it away. And then we realized that wasn't gonna work for what we were
trying to do, Like we were trying to make some really good stuff and
it was not great. What we what came in about black and it was
pop pop soup. You really get out what you put in. So that's
when we really started hitting the grind on growing and uh and started setting up
like professional grows for ourselves so we could actually produce what we were trying to
produce for the market for ourselves. And uh, yeah, the rest is
kind of history. Yea. To like touch on that a little bit too,
is like we one thing I can't recommend enough is like we kind of
sat down he and I like, hey, we want to go into the
legal cannabis business. We want to own our own business. We just don't
want to be the head grower or the operator. We want to own it.
So right, if we want to do that, what we need to
do. And we went on a lot of like fact finding missions. One
second, no hit to hit that thing. No, I mean that enjoined
some candidated bangering today. So we're and then we're gonna actually get into a
donut later. So that's gonna be insane. That's a story time over here.
You know, I take off, I can take off for you were
about to go ahead, so we got so we went out to uh was
it Oklahoma? We went out to Oklahoma for a hashmaking class that was rand
By who was it? Wall and h And then we went out to California.
First we took a class Extracts Consultants class in California to how to make
distolate extraction? Is that nicotis class no UM Extracts Academy. Extracts Academy,
My bad? Yeah, I think it's in Las Vegas. Oh that was
in Vegas. Yeah, all right, yeah, so we went and did
that and then uh, and then we went to Oklahoma for the other class.
So we were like on fact finding message trying to figure out how to
do what we were trying to do the right way. And uh, and
then we came back and had a whole bunch of new tech to try out,
and we tried some dry sift and some other stuff. We were handwashing
for a long time before we got our icon and and uh, yeah,
just staying as busy as possible, like literally so busy. Like I quit
my job at that point, I think, and started my own small business
to do well like along with this, and so you could pursue this and
then yeah, absolutely it started taking up more time than then I was willing
to put into a whole other job, so I was just ran with it.
Well it's all right for him, right, Maybe it's a rough road,
but you're here, so you got here, right, you made it
so curious. What's your favorit weight in jest canvas or definitely just engine and
Jess canvas. Yeah, definitely dabs. I love I think. I mean,
you know, I'm here smoking a joint and it's nice. It's something
to do with all your friends. And I feel you on that statement.
I mean, I don't like dislike weed. I love weed, like weed
sweet, especially when he comes over flexing with this glass and Paul with the
cannon camera real quick. I mean, yeah, look at this, Look
at this. Yeah, I'm afraid to might just break because with me touching
it. But that thing is so amazing. We're gonna be doing some fire
dabs a day. They're like, help yourself to this giant bag. I
was like, whoa, what is this beautiful thing? So y'all got flavors?
I just want to say that. Oh yeah, but no, I
can tell you're a dad man. I just had to like confirm it.
Yeah, if that rig is insane. The flavor you get I think off
of concentrates over but is just a lot cleaner, um, a lot more
flavorful. And if you don't get the cannabis like flower taste to it,
you're not getting that plant burned to it. You don't get the joint flavor
to it. You're getting straight turpines and flavoroids and you know whatever, flavoroids.
That's a that's a big one. People don't talk about flavoroids enough.
They think it's all about the turpines and its tees are responsible. We talk
about the entourage effect. Yeah, it's it's a mixture of all of it.
I don't know who's the winner, but they're all nope're all okay,
okay, Like obviously grew up on flower before wax was even that's this guy
over here, so like before we were getting poop soup from wherever fair enough
and uh but but yeah, I always love flower. I really love rolling
up. So I love the social aspect of it, Like it's always been
a great way to make friends, and like you're hanging out in a new
place with new people and you're like, hey, smoke, I feel that
you have a new friend right there, So it's a lot harder. You
had a lighter, you hit it, You're like, well, maybe maybe
I want to get that guy's number, Like maybe I won't trying to hang.
Its happened. It's happened to everyone. Man, Like, hey here,
you got a bad one time and shared it and someone was like that
guy, don't bring them back twelve Like your friend Alfonso can't come over anymore.
We moved yesterday. We're on that cush now exactly. Um, okay,
so that's a little bit bauck, y'all. What what got um?
What was the reason for starting apex? Like with an end? Is there
anything behind the name? Um? Yeah, So, like I mean,
there's when we started building the lab, um we uh, we're like trying
to decide what we wanted to call ourselves. And there was a few names
that we like kept toying with. I forget I even forget the other names
now. But um, as we were messing around with the names, there
was a few that popped up. Apex was one of them. And um,
we were kind of just joking one day and and Alex made a comment
about how it was one of his favorite albums that leave excision dropped that,
you know, dide you like the eight you're in the D I'm big electronic.
I mean obviously I like electronic. Yeah, so that was that was
one reason. Then, Like I was then we were like cheese and I
was like, yo, actually it means like Alex Parker extractions and I thought,
I was like super goofy. And then we were like, wait,
it works, john us what without a like so it just works out right?
Yeah, I like that. I like that. So that's that's how
we got our name. I guess I should have put you on this order
Alex Parker. Damn it, it's alphabetical. Just I put park around.
I don't know, just like no, I just thought Apex predators, like
so yeah, like the best ross in the game. And that's the other
part of it is that like we always wanted to have the best stuff,
like we were telling you, like we always kept on the cutting edge of
whatever the new technology was, whatever the new tech was, So just keeping
up with all that all the time, whatever the best growing tech was,
and just doing things as efficiently and as good as we could to get the
best end result. And I think like it seems to show because I feel
like people like people like what we have to offer. So um so yeah,
that's where we're at the top. We're eating up the competition. Apex
predators, you know, like also friendly men, you know, like friendly
gentlemen you want to have a conversation with, you know, because dinosaurs can't
talk on podcasts, how would they reach the micro that's hilarious. Um yeah,
so we first off, take this joint for me because I'm gonna rip
into this bag. Why so we why we're gonna rip into apex? I
want to take right there? Can I just grab something? Because to me,
like I'm just gonna grab it, it's too much the pop. Okay,
so that's that's a strap on right there that you grab. That's a
heat tech strap drop on. Oh I was like, what are you doing?
What are we getting out? Because I got a hand, Like,
I don't know. That's not my grape cream cake? Whoa, Okay,
all right, we probably cherry peels. All right, I'm gonna try cherry
peels just because that's a trump cherry mixed with our peel out number five Cherry
is you know cherry, Yeah, super buff cherry. That's another one that's
like that's super booth crossed a trop cherry. So sorry if I didn't transition
hard enough. I'd like to talk about APEX now, guys, like we
actually ran into y'all, Like you said, ed Hetty and I. You
obviously come from the caregiver days and you're going into the wreck. Are you
officially got your license and everything? There is a delay and an electrical piece,
so the ship dates sixty days past. Yeah, but we're just I
mean, you know, it's we're just trying to get through the many delays
that we knew would happen in this process. And how beautiful that waxes and
get good and just just work through the delays that we knew we're going to
come through the process and try to wrap up the facility because there's a lot
of stuff that we're assembling ourselves, which is like the the troll master gear
and all the stuff that we're using to power the rooms empowered the guys will
be no dispensary. That's we want to have that next but correct, but
you're still be growing your own flour and the processing. Yeah, you're partially
correct. Yeah, yeah, cool cool, Yeah, And it's it's rather
interesting. We've talked to a lot of people on you know, the legal
and the and the rack side, and there's a lot of mixed feelings about
you know, where to be, which one's better, which one's worse.
And I just think that, you know, there's many things you can do,
you know, with cannabis, and this just works for us. We're
not trying to dog on like you might be in a cab in anyway,
because that's kind where we came from. Battery love that and that's beautiful and
I like that I can just pick it up with my hands to a room
tap like beautiful, beautiful man Like well, because I hate sappy rosing,
like I mean, I don't mean it be piggy now, but you know,
when you get some rods and then you keep that's a strong debate.
Like because well, because I like battery stuff because I don't waste as much,
but I definitely sometimes when you get that that saucier stuff, you get
very flavorful stuff. And I'm not trying to knock it. It's just gonna,
you know, gone to my head. I'm picking batter over sauce,
you know. And that's probably from my new obsession with donuts too. I
also feel like you're losing something to the jar if I didn't even Yeah,
you're always it smells great. That's a strong uava mixed with Gary Payton.
But gech On that jam tech is that so when you say heat tech,
that you're talking about like jam and stuff, because that's where you do get
like this saucier. Yeah, holding up to the light, you can see
the crystal formation. Yeah, there's little little tiny crystals in there. S
meeting it's probably yeah, yeah, so I agree with the batter thought.
I prefer cool cure batter. Alex touch On it On Alex touch On a
bit earlier, he said, you know, we're always trying to be on
top of like tex and stuff like that. So there's a lot of or
there's you know, some rosin producers who don't like doing like heat tech and
stuff to their stuff, and we like messed around with it a little bit
so you can get cool expressions like that. And so I'm sure you guys
have all had like utane diamonds before and they grow a little bit differently.
So like the really cool thing about um the jams when the th HCA forms
is that it you're liquefying your material and then the thha falls out of liquefaction.
So so it's a little bit different than like doing it with like a
solve it, which is like what they do with mutane and uh it precipitates
out of solution. So it's a little bit different. But it's cool to
like learn all the ways the properties of the rose and interact in order to
you know, get the end products. So that was really cool for us.
It's like another step of exploring the chemicals the plant and what it can
do. No, of course, and I'm putting tests in art, right,
So you guys are trying new things because I mean, if you get
some new yield or have some new consistency, you're gonna be like game changer.
So that's really innovative. So that's really cool. Yeah. Uh and
this is maybe a little off topic, but we're talking about innovation and you're
trying new things. Now this isn't new, it's kind of old actually.
But full melt y'all won the full melt at Um heady heady right, yes,
place first, right, yes, sir? Yeah, yeah, what
was it? What was it for? What? Strange? It was super
booth and it was the micron was nine fifty nine, and it was first
wash um, we kind of so full spectrum kind of right, well,
now what that means when it goes to the hundreds like that, Well,
I mean it's about the higher end of the spect but like full spectrums typically
like either twenty five or forty five to one fifty nine, usually fifty nine,
there's so much plant material and like you don't really want god or even
one eighty or one ninety you know, the even the higher microns too,
But it just all depends on how you process your material. Like if you
process it lighter, you agitate your material lighter. There's a potential of having
bigger heads accumulating in higher bags that don't have a lot of contaminants in it.
And it depends on the strain a lot, because some strains have the
brunt of your trichom heads are going to be a smaller micron. So like
washing rainbow belts, there's a decent amount in the forty five to seventy three
U bag, and then the seventy three to one fifty nine might be it's
still a little more, but there's a lot in that of smaller heads in
there, and then other strains like one dual og is one that we used
to run on the regular, and that one has a lot of heads in
the or in the seventy three to one, fifty nine or twenty. Okay,
that's like great fruit. He's cherry and he's like wow, oh yeah,
and even some of the ones that cherry peels. Yeah, I told
you should have brought your own rig. This guy's now he's all like,
he's like, come on, see, that's what joints are nice for.
Yeah. So he's just say, we're still we're still fighting here. That
conversation ended. But a cool thing about a cool thing about that full melt
it was it was machine washed. So it we made it originally because there's
a little bit of a of an internal discussion in our you know, in
our group, we were kind of joking and uh, you know, people
were trying to say and that you can't you can't make full Melton machine and
you know, just from what we know of the processes, it's just all
about how much agitation there is. So um, we just did it as
a point to prove you can't make full melent A good point because I have
heard that like so full molt. Let's explain what's the difference between full molton
rosin to all the people out here who don't know what the differences. Full
melt is just hash. There's it has not been pressed on a heat press.
Doesn't fullmount mean it's dabbable? Though, yes, that's the most dabbable
hash. It's dabbable hash. I guess all hash is dabbable. Like just
how dirty is it going to make your banger? How how pleasant is the
experience? I guess is the argument. But it's how was your guys super
booth when it was dabbed like the in the dab rig I wasn't like was
it? I mean the judges said unanimously that it was like the best one
out of the bunch. I don't know how many injuries there actually were.
Good job, there's usually not as many as the rosin for full melt because
a lot of people don't just keep melt. But I actually like, I
feel like it's harder to make it because I feel like they can make hash
and they can't get it the dabs, so then you press it. But
I don't know the process. I just I'm very I'm intrigued because we thought
we we bought some fullmolt hash one time way back in the dispolt and it's
everything was black and I was like, that wasn't dabbable, Like I was
like, you take it the right temperature. I don't that's fair enough.
What's the right temperature? Like, I mean we like we agree like like
four eighty five twenty I think if that's okay, spot but I never never,
but this was years ago, so like, I don't know, that's
a good that's a fair point. It could have been overheated full like it
could have been like full spec too, so that if it had forty five
you heads and or higher, they could have just been full mel hash,
full hash or something. Okay, full spectrum, full mill. Yeah.
You know that reck market. You know those people in the rec opin right
you a little bit anyway a second, it's like a spider man. I
mean it's pouring each other, all three of them. Oh man. So
we talked about how long even record so that was good from the trop cherry.
Is Apex a legacy brand I know y'all come from that or was Apex
created in the legacy market or was it created like going into the reck market
idea and by legacy. You're using like the Carregi market. Okay, I've
heard some people use a little bit differently, but no, that's is how
it should be used to. But we've even I just feel like that's how
I look at it, because sometimes people will loop in the new you know,
you can grow twelve now, so people are, oh, that's like
you know, culture cannabis, and that is culture cannabis. But to me,
it's just like the legacy is like where it came from. Like why
this market's here is because the caregivers supplied the market. So that's why I
call it legacy. Yeah, so yeah, we are from the legacy market.
We've worked with caregivers for a few years and you know, growing our
own plans as well. Um, and so that's that's definitely where our lineage
is from. Awesome. Yeah, man, that's awesome. I just want
to make sure it sounded like we obviously met you there, but I just
like, again, for everyone listening, he doesn't know Apex, I just
want to reiterate, Yeah, we're we're big on that. We're really trying
to make sure that people know that there's people in the reck market who care
a lot about the caregivers, and you know, we have a lot of
passion to make sure that the we can make sure that we can partner with
caregivers and give them a platform to put on the aircraft. So we're not
just out here trying to you know, art, We want sure that they're
you know, they're also a part of it. People who respect on the
cup to as well. So that's something that we're excited about. And then
I appreciate that a lot because we saw the market, how awesome it was
with high times, how like giving out so many dabs, and like how
much it has changed with the profiting trying to come to leave the fruition,
you know, like where it was always about the patience and you know,
education and teaching. Hey, you know, cannabis can help with this,
can help with this. Now it's like how much bread can we make and
how fast like and how much spend it? Not everyone? Yeah, so
like how quick can I make twenty mill if I throw them in five mil?
And then you got these big companies coming in and just doing crazy numbers,
undercutting everyone, and yeah, we don't like it, you know,
oh no, And then you know, because they have the marketing money to
spend, you know, now all of a sudden people buy them because they're
like, oh, I see X brand because it's there, it's familiar.
It's like Lil Wayne's brand, Like why wouldn't I let's not get listen listen
like the Fly, Easy the Flower listen listen and no, and make sure
he made he definitely was the front man for that. And I love Little
Wayne, you know, don't make it this track or please do actually like
like now, but you're he's h no, but no, but like I
get him making money off putting his face on the brand, but that's not
putting any love into it. Like he didn't do that. We all know
that he's not out there like checking the plans checking you know, he's not
doing quality control. He's just what it's all about. He's what it's all
about, from top to bottom. Absolutely. I mean, so we're talking
about the difference between the cargri market. Have you seen like what has been
the kind of the weirdest transition or like transitioning into the rack market, Like
it's got to be of change coming from just I have mine. You you
go first, Alex, you go first. I think about it's too much,
Okay, so I guess I got to see the biggest The biggest one
is like I guess, the mixed reception. Sometimes you tell people you're going
into the the Wreck market and you're like, yeah, I did have been.
I've been in this market for so long. I'm finally didn't go wreck
and they're like, yeah, I probably probably won't go to this dispose any
for your stuff anymore. It's like, oh, dude, that that's kind
of a bummer. Like there are people who are very so hard to be
here and like we you know, we still kind of sucks that some people
in support us in that way, but most people have been really really positive.
But that's just kind of one bummer thing to hear. And then like
someone was divided. The market was divided a little bit with the MCMA stuff
and not. I mean and again some some ways good, some ways good
because that ship was I hate the MCMA and all that shit, but which
I'm like trying to take away care of it. Rights. Yeah it was
bullshit, you know, but like but also now it's made people a little
stubborn into like now the dispose of the enemy, Like okay, dispose,
sure, but some of the brands come from, like you said, good
roots. It takes more research though, you know where I if I go
to you know, a legacy like um, event, I know that all
them are in the legacy right, So it's a little safer. And I
think that's why a lot of times they don't go to the dispensaries, because
there is that risk of what if I buy a brand that ends up being
like shit, And I bought brands where they were owned by other brands and
financial after I'm like something, brands that own brands that are prey another one
to package by another. Oh my god, you can't figure out who's who's
who's pick the chat got a processing license and is buying bulk and packaging it
in their own packaging. Then it's white labeled, but then then it's white
labeled process. So then it's like, yeah, thank you. It's so
hard to follow. And I guess that's another one that you bring up to
that that's we're kind of shocked about how much that goes on. But I
mean it's yeah, you know, it's it's I hate to say, I
think it is positive in some regards because it does need to work itself out.
But there's a point on that white label you know timeline where it allows
people to come in with lesser capital, right, and you can just come
in and get a lab and if you can't to grow and everything that comes
along with that, well your capital. That makes sense and now maybe you
can just come in and package something for somebody else or do your own pre
roles because you're really good at you know, rolling hasholes, right, So
there there. I mean, there are opportunities like that which I think are
really positive. I just sometimes think it's like, from my point of view,
I would I was pretty stubborn to take a route like that because having
you know, growing, it's like, no, we didn't do all this
at once. But coming from more like business pragmatic point of view, you
know there are other options and you can come in a little bit easier.
So I think it being able to white label them do that. There is
a niche and it does exist for other people. It's whether that's your niche
or whether you know what you're saying, that is a good way because and
also keeping flow going, because sometimes like if you have a good brand,
you can't keep up supply sometimes, So I see why excuse especially processors,
why you find multiple sources of flower because like you don't want it to run
out, like, you know, especially if you're doing well that brand reposent.
Having it there is important because you miss it. Someone might be picking
up an eph that day and you know, are a quarter of rosin that
day and you're like, damn, that's you know, you miss that up.
You know, So I think it's interesting, but no, it's it
that makes sense to transitioning from those like markets. Yeah, did you want
out? Um? I was actually gonna say the thing about the caregivers earlier
because every time we've mentioned it, we've gotten such mixed feedback and like people
are like, oh, well, you shouldn't do that, Like do you
even care? Oh do you mean like you mean like almost like feeling like
they're like you sold out? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's what it
is. And there's a lot of stubborn go ahead. I'm saying. There's
a lot of brands now that have made that transition from the caregiver market into
the adult use market. We talked to many of them. I mean,
Ghostbuster is a huge brand. I mean one of them right off the Yeah,
I had old school organics. I mean just many of there are good
brands out there that came from that, from that legacy market that helped build
what Michigan's market is today. To come here, Um, it's just great
opportunity for you. I mean it's like a whole career business move like that
is it's big. I mean, one day, who knows, I might
get it, try to get it grow in. Yeah, but exactly.
But what you went through, You're not gonna go like sell packs. You're
gonna go to the market, right because it's safer and like you know,
selling overages and donations like and that works. But I mean, I mean
we've all seen the people who have like hundreds of bows and you're like Duffel
bags, Like it's still it's still in the garbage bags, still in the
garbage bags. Like why does your place Indiana? Dude? Like you know
what I mean, Like you know what I mean, Like you know what
I'm saying, Like yeah, yeah, your license place as Kentucky. And
that's not one thing. It's like you gotta really know where your weeds coming
from on either markets, So like what's the difference. And that's my whole
thing is it's always been you just gotta know where your weeds come from or
your rising or wherever it's coming from. It's just it's definitely cool to be
able to say you know where it's coming from. Coming from the old days
where it's like what strain is this? I'm not sure? Like they said
it was og cush, Like I feel like they lied to you so much
to where like it added to the mystery. Now nobody lies to you anymore.
They just they just know what it is. And I'm kind of bummed
out. I miss the days of like like, yeah, man, is
blue blue ras power? And I go home and I'm like, is it
is it? Like this is fire? My guy? He didn't lie to
me. But though, like I'm just those days whatever was selling. It's
like how does everyone have headband? One? Headband's popular? That's crazy?
You know every gg four like that's headband? Expressed When the movie came out,
Flower hit the market because like all right, I'll try it. Well
yeah, I think any dream Yeah yeah right, just convenient. And that's
the thing like especially now, like I mean or not now, just in
general, like look at like gorilla butter to um, what's that white truffle
to grilla butter? They just take a name, and they're like they call
it something else. It's like a certain cut. Well, yeah, the
white truffle cut is a certain cut of gorilla butter. Right, yeah,
here we go. Now it was found by something like cuts like if like
super booth is a certain cut of block right right stream. And again I'm
not hay on it. I get it that Pheno's tastes very different. But
it's also like damn it, now I gotta like, like you know what
I mean, add it to your chart, have a whole like whiteboard at
home, exactly your smoke in each week. That's why we like the cherry
peels, like, yeah, we away was really good. Whatever we want,
Like if we make genetics, we get to call that whatever we want.
So when you're doing that, do you just literally put the like wash
them together and then you have a new string because we've heard we were doing
that. Wash them together or we wash them separately and then press them together,
so different ratios. Yeah, and if you give you different products when
you do that, yeah you can, like if you there's different like mindsets
to but when you do it after washing and you combine them as sift right,
as hash right, bubble all all the same name. Um, you
can sift is the same thing as full melt like bubble hash. I mean,
sift typically applies to like dry sift. But if you're like, like,
if we're talking in the context of in a in a in a solventless
lab that only makes bubble, you could also call it sift in my in
my I could get flamed out by the hash you've been in my view,
guys. But yeah, so like you can combine it in like exact proportions,
right, you could be like, well, boof is really strong and
orange, so I want to add just thirty percent or twenty percent of booth
to this strain because I know how overpowering it is, and you wouldn't want
to you know that. That's some of the theories. So it almost gives
you more control over your what it's gonna taste like two years year, your
year end product, and intercing hopefully gives you an idea of what it would
be like if you bread it some you know, would maybe taste like that.
Because I've also heard of like, okay, mocka mulata, he had
a strain that like it sounded like it was me delicious. Nope, you
know, what I mean, Like, it really wasn't like no matter what
you did, like, it just wasn't that. I don't know what was
it. What was it wasn't that gorilla butter and GMO, right or something
like that's gonna hit you expect that. We'd expect that to be a dumper
too, because GMO is super probative. It was, so it probably would
have dumped you might. I always say wash it. We always were talking
about washing. Then it just died. But that was like twenty nineteen though,
when it was just Alwa starting. It's funny, did you guys always
think with washing? Yeah, I'm like that flowers Fire's just a shake text.
You know, you guys love it, like I just want to try.
You guys are obsessed. No, I love how much you guys love
like Rosin specifically like solving less. I know it's apex solving. It's like,
I know it's in the name, but I'm just saying, like,
it's cool to see it's like refreshing because you know, you don't a lot
of people are doing a little bit of everything, like you guys are focused
on Rosin, right, So that's cool. That's part of the argument.
Just let's us specialize, keeps us focused right on exactly what we want to
do, so that way we're just you know, the team's all just right
on the prize. You know, it makes sense. It makes it simple,
it's easy. It makes it kind of an easy sell too. And
you're like, there has never been a hydrocarbon that touched this at all.
It's just ice water. I mean a lot of it. I used to
love, like just I was just against. I was hating that whole,
Like why doesn't it even taste remotely like when i'm and why is it always
why is it all that s It'll tastes like hospital floor, like always tasted
chemical. It's like t HCA crystals that they added tasty puffs. Solvent list
is safer. I was like, hey, I mean, even if it's
not washed perfectly, at least it's solvent list. And then that's that's how
we got me so safer to produce too, Like you're never in your room
worried about it, and I know you're never gonna blow a house structure.
I'm sure you guys have heard some stocks. Oh yeah, especially I gotta
ask, what are you guys his favorite strains to wash and then like what
do you look for, particularly in a plant that you're like, Okay,
that's gonna be a good, good, good strain to wash a right,
So talk on the first half of that one. Yeah, it was around
straight they're going bars check for checking for readiness of try combs, Like if
you're go on a sugar leaf and you just rub your fingers over it,
like you can get a good feel, like if it's sandy, it comes
off a little bit. It's not too oily where it's just rubbing into nothing
immediately, but you get a little grit, you know, Like usually that's
a good tell when when we have an idea of when it's about harvest time,
like before the tri comes amber, when they start to they start to
fill up a little like cream color, but they're not ambered yet. Milk
umb. Yeah, melky that's the word I was looking for. Sorry,
No, I like that reaction. Uh and then uh, strange less from
the melt that one. Yeah, And that's why I was like, I'm
gonna trying to super Boo because I have a feeling it's the same cut.
Yeah, super booth is it has been this year my favorite strain to wash
for sure. Like the structure of the heads is impeccable. So when you're
looking for those heads, like what makes one like better than another? Because
like, well, from the wash perspective, good, yeah, all head
is good head. All right, let's let's let's be real. But uh,
but from a wash perspective, when it's going through the bag, sometimes
some of the turpenes are water soluble, so like with certain strains like rainbow
belts, for instance, it'll gum up the inside of the bag like really
bad, to the point where you have to switch bags in the middle of
your run just because it's taking so long to drain because it's just got a
layer of like glue essentially on the inside of it, and it's just probably
horrible to wash it. Just it's just hash pain in the air. Ye
like so many thousands of grims. I don't have to wash them. I
have to hear about it. Yeah, I feel bad for you. It
makes the day take twice. It's like that's him to me, super Booth.
When I'm washing super Booth. The heads don't like they do not stick.
Once you you can spray the bag out with water and like don't have
to touch it with anything else. And it looks clean like there's no wash
is easy. So it literally and when people say easy washes, it's not
like a good wash, it literally means like yes, exactly. Yeah.
So um, definitely, the more developed the tricombe heads, the better it
is to wash, the easier it is to wash, the less gunky everything
gets, like your spoon gets gunky everything. Yes, you said sorry,
so you guys like to wait, you guys don't crop early then, like
for the plants, I mean, what's for the trico's early? We crop
early? I mean so if it's like a nine week er, would you
crop at like six weeks, seven weeks? We usually don't run nine week
ers, Okay, so runs like yeah, if it isn't nine week or
it's gonna get pulled out fifty six if it's if it's acceptable for hash at
that day. And we have a few strains like benoios of minna conda,
um there they get a little more flavor. Yeah, I think a little
more flavor, but they're uh, they're a little they're a lot. They're
a lot meltier at day fifty six fifty four. So um, like we
don't specifically pull any strain like earlier than when the tricombs tell us too.
So to build on what Alex was saying, right like that one of my
roles is garden management. Right. So we have other team members who worn't
under us certainly and do some day to day tasks UM. But one thing
that I really have to look over is uh, the rightness of the tricomb.
So that's one thing I determined pretty pretty solely is I'll discuss with Alex
and the rest of the team, but we'll look at the tricombs under the
loop while they're in the grow room, will say, hey, like,
this is actually looks like it's developing and finishing a little quicker than last round.
UM. And typically if one table's finishing quicker, typically every table is
finishing a little bit quicker. And it's like a it's an irrigation environmental interaction
UM. Thats do with rightness of tricombs UM. But it's also a genetic
length of flower time UM piece and so that's there's some strains that we do
crop at seven weeks, so like forty nine days. UM, we have
a rainbow guava cut that does six percent at day forty nine. We have
a six yea six percent to seventy Sorry, it's as like five point eight
to seventy three US six percent poll six percent from fresh frozen to seventy Okay,
First I was, oh, six per ten terms, that's pretty good,
and then I realized, you mean six percent wash, that is really
triple double what we've been hearing from some people. That's double man, Yeah,
it was. It was a from a pheno hunt at the beginning of
the year. We uh, we actually we got aphids last year in our
main room. And I don't know if you know, we're a lot about
a fids, but they they're pretty much like replicators. They can copy themselves,
like like their life cycles kind of super short. So five days after
they're born, they're self replicating and they just destroy your crops. So,
um, we had to kill everything and restart. So after we killed everything
and we started, we kept a lot of our genetics. None of them
die, but we said to empty the rooms and heat the rooms up,
right. But after that, we started off this year with just a really
large final hunt. We did started like ten or twelve different seed packs,
and um, so that's we got. We actually had quite a few strains
that washed over five to six percent, So we were pretty pleased ourselves.
Not not we don't like, as people have said, phenal hunts normally aren't
really that successful, and so we're very glad that the plant rewarded us for
why you're shouting out your numbers? Do you wash for other people or do
you guys like that you should reach out? I think we have companies that
was yes, So yeah, yeah, we do. Uh well, I
know you have your own brand obviously, but a lot of people will process
for others because again, you get to experiment with other strains too, then
cuss that you don't have and you're like, wow, this wash fucking amazing,
let's get this cut, you know. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
it's kind of like a win win situation. You know. Yeah, we
like to partner with people that definitely have stuff that we don't have to to
kind of fill gaps and our menu and and our desirability UM and but we
do like to put out under the brand and put the farmers on. But
you just we do. We do pilot batches first, right, so you
gotta you gotta test everything, so we won't We'll never accept any product in
UM, especially you know, especially on the metric side, it's without doing
um, like a shake test or a light test or no, like like
six hundred two thousand wet grams something like that and like good flat rate.
Yeah yeah, yeah, because like I mean, if it's any serious kind
of client and you know, and I mean, our rooms are small at
the facility that we're building, and you know, they're only twenty four light
rooms and so they're not too large. But you see other people with rooms
out here that are like, you know, seventy eighty one hundred light rooms,
and so when you're thinking about the metrics of that, they're like bringing
down you know, one hundred thousand wet grams have just one strain, well
six hundred you know, a thousand wet grams from that just to know what
it does, isn't you know? It's like a it's just a cost of
doing business for the companies. No, I mean it's an investment, right,
cost business investments kind of the same thing, which right, hey,
like got sixty thousand wet grams is something to wash like all right, cool,
it's a it's a few days in the lab. But work is work
too, right, right, right, right exactly, especially doing what you
love. Like that's do what you love. Never work a day in your
life, That's right. Yeah, that's what they say. Still feel like
I'm working. I love what I'm doing. By the end of the week.
Some days still tired. Oh yeah, no, I feel I know
you mean, I'm still tired. I gotta feel great. You're grateful to
be able to do this, you know, especially like like I mean now,
like back in my day, but like when I was like getting into
weed, it was still looked at super bad. So the fact that we
can just have this conversation is pretty cool, you know, like relatively feel
ourselves. It's definitely yeah, yeah, you're telling me, you know what
I mean, Like you know, like I don't I don't don't grow,
but like just talking about it and meet all these people, like it takes
a lot, especially because a lot of these people have been through shiit,
Like he's been through shit like it just it's just crazy to like, you
know, I watched him go through shit and I was like, man,
that is wrong. You know. That's why we started it. Because everyone's
on the news, like millions of dollars made. I'm like, okay,
that's revenue about profits, Like like there's so much like gray area with this
like bullshit media. So we're just like wanted to talk about real it,
really get down and get to know the brands. You know, Yeah,
you seen representing the market. So I'm saying, no, I love what
you said. Didn't mean to cut you off. I don't know. I
kind of said, yeah, no, you're good. I was gonna ask
you guys seen the obstacles you guys are been facing getting into the metric market
capital. It's definitely a high barrier ventry on that side. If you're trying
to do it right and big ish, you gotta you gotta usually find like
investors or something like that. Yeah, it's usually tough. Well, it's
kind of a bummer because there is you know, the what are they called
here in Michigan, I forget the small licensing micro businesses. Like the micro
businesses are set up almost to where it's impossible to be successful with them.
How like how many plants you can handle them? Um? Yeah, So
like it just has to come down like how Michigan handles plant count and others
states are like canopy space and so because we're plant count, the number of
plants you get can really alter your business plan, And that was definitely one
of the big considerations we had with why our facility is the way that it
is. It's you know, what license we're trying to get and how many
plants we're trying to grow? Um, so that that just impacted a lot
of the decisions. How many plans are you allowed to go or what license
do you guys have Class C. You got two thousand plants, nice,
nice, awesome room for two thousand and you every single thing goes arise or
solving us. Yeah, yeah, at least as we're getting I love this
though. You're the second opt that I've ever seen that just as like everything
washed. I was like, hell yeah, I love flower, but like
no donuts, I never even smoked that. We definitely want to, but
maybe not at first. We definitely need to see we need to see how
how everything's gonna run, honestly, for for a little while first, And
that's what we've been talking to the board about, just because it's gonna be
a handful and what we're used to operating is feel substantial and what we're getting
ourselves into is a lot more substantial. So just the picturing what it's gonna
take is a lot. It's a doozy, but um, two thousand plans
that is that's how big is your team? Overready effects? You got one,
two three. I think like the day to day team, the like
the main heavy hitters of use all the time. Yeah, probably six including
us, You're beside this six day to days including us. And then we
have we have some auxiliary people of course, and make trims teams and I'm
sure you have teams that help, but like, yeah, I'm yeah,
operators or about about sikes helping with everything that we need from from packaging to
processing to damn trimming. Yeah, and damn that's all guys. Damn you
guys just seems like not enough. But well it's not like it's not.
But we're exhausted. No, but this is Rainbow Guaba Crossing Super Booth Rosin.
Yeah. And I'm gonna shout out real quick, that's that's homework,
secret stash. That's our boy, Chris. He's someone who helps us out
a lot. I thought that was literally just the joke on the donut.
No, No, he rolls us it's it's his brand. Yeah, we
did a little collab. He rolls some fantastic I feel like somewhere and I
was like, who was that at your booth? It wasn't ours? And
then I think he also rolled stuff for another company, Um that was out
there work. Honestly, he's a really great networker and he's working with and
he's working with a lot of a lot of producers rising, so really happy
for him. Yeah, um, are you guys in Michigan? Are you
guys in stories yet? Or because of the electrical stuff, yeah, because
the panel delay, it's taken a while before we get our final inspection.
Okay, where is your facility located Michigan? Okay? Oh wow, so
drove a little bit to get here, Yeah, just a little. Holy
shit, dude, we could have done digital playing. I mean I really
like that. I know, I appreciate this road trip. Yeah, that's
what a little we've driven out there. We've like you did say you're further
out. You said you were in Harbor last week or something the other time
when we're talking, and that's why I was close to got makes sense.
Appreciate GOT drive a lot. Yeah, and trying and seeing this stuff like
in person. Computer doesn't do any of this justice, no, I mean,
yeah, you guys at the rising. I've tried both of them very
flat. Well, will you be at any events anytimes you or anything like
that? Maybe somebody can. I'm just trying to say, because I know
you just saw your headie, so I don't know if you guys are still
kind of in that great like in that middle area of doing both right now.
So that was our personally our last caretaker event. You will maybe I
know you better the way you wanted to say it. Oh, I mean
we just we have a birdie. Well we'll have a little yeah, we'll
have probably some of our last few drops that are still going to be available
with some some friends at the single store summer. It's coming up from three
weeks. It's by hream so okay, things around yeah yeah, yeah,
like great connoisseur crowd. Where's that I figured you were in that transition.
We caught you in that weird area yea stores, so right now you're in
a gray area, but like the most gray. But it's this is a
good flower too, yeah so we we we that's our flower. It grew
that flower. Yeah, so this is your flower and Rosin Yep, it's
up booth so it's the it's the rosin that got made out of the stuff
that one right, Wow, But yeah, big fan, you guys don't
you guys don't think you'll do this though? For market. You're trying so
like I guess some of the obstacles that you are you're asking about some like
like capital is one of them, and just capital in regards to you know,
you try to do too many things too quickly in life at any point,
right, it really can can bite in the ass. So we're trying
to just pace ourselves. And we say, hey, we know we're really
good at making rosin we we had the privilege of making some donuts right and
it had the ability to do that. But at the facility, we're just
gonna put all of our talent and focus into the main game plan and then
as um you know, as we get our reins of being in the legal
market, how you have to put stuff into metric and dealing with all the
new paperwork and new tasks that we have to do. And then we started
selling it. You know, our operation is almost are adding new things like
gummies, um and and hasholes are like pretty the too top that we like
and had rosin laws and just and che check your check your gift Rosin los
and oh my geez, why rosin Oh, I just thought it was so
much fun to say. Man, it's perfect though, that's why I love
it right now. And rosin laws and just look at things that make your
like throw feel good. Right. Yeah, well it's not. I saw
that doesn't have any medical effects, Like it doesn't actually suit your throat.
We thought about it has medical effects. Sorry sorry, not any throat soothing
effects. Oh it suses my throat. I got about making like a honey
lemon one that would actually be like like a real I would need those on
backwarder in the hop fall like all the time. Oh that's what that is.
Oh yeah cool man, Yeah, rosin Hard. I was like,
I'll figure it out. I love my weed edibles to taste like weed.
I don't know what it is. Like distilateables are all right, but like
they made me giggly, but it's not the same. Like, you know,
I like the I want brownies at my mom's house, you know what
I mean, Like just making weed brownies when I was seventeen eighteen, like
just leaving the weed in it, like who cares for? Like, like
we've heard people saying this benefits that yeah, like cooks, like having somewhere
all cannabis and you're dyeing. I was like, we never had proof,
but it was interesting. It justifies their career. That's no. I mean
yeah, no, but um oh, I think I think we talked about
a lot of everything I want to cover to be honest, actually yeah,
oh, I mean do you talk about different rosin press techniques? Yeah,
it's serious. If you want to get into any of the equipment that you
like, shout out anyone, shout out extracts uh for the icon V seventy
three, that's that's my favorite tool us. So can we can? We
can? We can? The camera? Yeah? Yeah, look at that
guy? Can we I don't know it's actually your head. Oh god,
not pressing the right We're there now, we're there. Oh oh we got
it's like a chunk through that thing. Nice roll. I see that.
Shout out to Chris. Yeah the homework secret stash on Instagram. Look at
this dragon just chilling here. It's gonna pat them. That thing looks like
a dinosaur. It isnosaur, but I mean it's hard to say if it
doesn't have you can't see the body, and like like the difference is pretty
much wings or not wings, right, Like there's a whole whole Listen,
we don't know if the dinosaur bones like if they were actually dinosaurs or dragons
and their wings just like dissolved, so like they just weren't there when they
dug up the right man? Can I can I talk about that? Do
you think we connect upout the tech? Yeah, it's whatever you guys want
to talk about. So it's so curious because this is again we're not like
we're not just some budthetter y'all, like say, this is fire. This
is fucking fire. So yeah, I mean we'd love talking about tech,
like if we can't share like the tech behind it whatever you want it like.
Yeah, so like uh um, we use the the Low Temp press,
you know, so the just the equipment that we use really like that.
It's I think it's actually had Cliff from Low Temp on. Yeah.
It's a it's a really good starter press. But it's also good for production.
Like we can press sixty grams at a time on it, and so
um, you know you can, we can, we can. We've gone
We've press multiple pounds in a day, so you can. It's a it's
a real workhorse. Yeah, but just some of our some of our tech
that we like to do is um, I'm I'm very specific. Once,
I would say the one thing that we really do that's probably um a little
different is just we're very specific about how we pack the bags. I know
probably quite a few hashmakers are, but um, we don't want any um
heads in our in our rosin right via blowouts or via you know, packing
bags and having hash fly everywhere and then get on the bag outside of the
bags the press bag. So we're just super particular about our QC on our
bag packing day. That way we can make sure the hash is like extra
clean and in my mind it's extra clean because you know you just if you
do follow processes and steps in between to wipe up hash and to make sure
you know you have you like different bag stations to where some bags are like
you're the first bags you use and then the second bags use like all sealed
up and are open until everything's clean, and just practicing cleanliness at all times,
like in cross contamination. That really helps get a better end product,
even if like a cleaner end product, even if like them, even if
the rosin itself or the hash itself to begin with, was it like the
nicest washing It could still have no green in it, but still have like
more stock and doesn't press as nice. But if you can keep it nicer
throughout the um, like the chain of custody before it gets into the final
rosin bag, we find it just gets a lot cleaner hash just the rosin
my bad. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, see I have no experience washing
anything. I just have tons of experience smoking it ash dude, But that's
really cool, man. Um, we've heard like just real quick this kind
of side. No, we don't have to dig into a superdep but I've
heard that, Like we've heard that like the dry sift and some of like
the full melt stuff gives you way more turpeenes and way more flavor compared to
like when you press it no heat sometimes will make you lose turpeens. You're
talking about, how like like people who smoke full melts say like taste stronger
than the rosin. I've heard it. Yeah, so like that there's some
truth to that dry sift, but again like kind of seeing different. That's
why I was asking on definition earlier. Yeah, I guess like if it's
live if it's live, it would have a lot more flavor um than like
a dry sift. But I think like if you were comparing like a live
rosin to a to a first wash full melt, the full melt will have
just like a smidgeon more flavor than the rosin. That is that is pretty
true um myself. You know, I think the the benefit of not having
to clean your banger a lot. I think it is a little bit more
cleaning, even if you didn't even have really clean melt. It's like it's
a it's a little more work. And I mean church slurpers already take like
fifteen minutes to clean, you know, so you just damn you know,
you guys got your old little box over there. Especially you're high, you
know, if you're if you're stone, it takes you longer because you keep
you're talking. These are real hash listen, I'm I'm gonna pretend to hash
had apparently it because like I look at all that hash and then look at
this as a little set up with it's beautiful Matt. I'm just over here
in my puff co I feel so like two thousand and twenty, like so
new, you know, No, I respect it I love it. I
gotta hit that before you leave, you guys hit yeah for sure. No,
it's a beautiful set up. Sometimes it's just hard. We used to
heat up dabs on the podcast. It would just like hey, so and
then and it would just be because then we were just like so, why
can't they know? Yeah, especially on the stream, it was the worst.
Yeah, we had it. We stopped Davin and then he got the
puff co and then that's why I I was like, I gotta stop dabbing
on the podcast. I was like, I don't, I don't know what
to do. Just keep it easy. Yeah at that point, definitely.
It's a good idea too, Just keep an email, just burn out.
Well, I never wanted to do the titanium. Then everyone's gonna get way
too. Now I'm seeing courts ones, but they used to be all titanium
those emails, and I hated that so much. I just couldn't do it.
No, I would agree with them on that anyways. Anyways, So
any like we're talking some future stuff. Um, yeah, since you guys
aren't in stores yet, when do you think you'll be in stores? Like
any do you think we'll be a skip product? End of twenty three maybe.
Yeah, the first drop will happen sometime maybe end of September, beginning
of October, Okay, so we should be very close around then. Yeah.
Do you know what any possible in talent to like what strains possibly can
prisce My Clipward? M okay, cool, cool, cool? So we
gotta wait now he was wanting with that Clipward just so many papers on everything.
Yeah, I know, I saw That's why the facility U So I
first drop it's probably gonna be trop Cherry Wilson zero wedding Pie rainbow Belts three
point zero number four three point oh yeah, because there's so many you know,
crosses of that. Now I got well, I know, I just
had two point over the first time. I'm like, what am I late
already? This is an iPhone rainbow Guava number two. Yeah, that's that.
That's one of my phases finishes at forty nine days, so like that's
just really quick finisher. We don't find a lot of seeds that do that.
And I think the flavor on it is just like this crazy melon guava
with a little bit of Z. So I'm a really big fan of that
one myself. A lot of it that's all. He's sweet man, I'm
looking forward to it. I had the phone washing those what was that last
oneing in the name, I heard the crosses rainbow guaba you just smoked the
flower? Yeah, that was like I liked it. Yeah, A rainbow
always makes something of his rainbow chip, and I love rainbow chip. I
don't know if it's the same rainbow, but like I love that, like
rainbow chip. That's rainbow belts and strong wabba that's what that is, yeah,
or the rainbow waba that's what that is. Strong. Yeah, that's
a good great go to. Also, we love that string. I love
that straight Yeah, the melt on it or just the heads in general on
on the rainbow guava and there right here. No, it's it's sold out,
bro, that's all. We have something like a personal jar. Only
did you look at the rainbow belt worries, No, that's we have so
many strings. That's not art cut. We didn't hunt that, but it
is. It's cut from Alpine Valley Organics. It's not a high washer.
But yeah, you probably don't like the sauce. No, no, no
no, but it's super perfume buying. Like you know, I said,
thank you know, one to one he's like, give me the batter.
It really is though, yeah, batter, I mean it's it's not it's
easier to manipulate your fume is a very good way to describe this. Yeah,
I could. I could have was trying to. It's very full,
full smelling for me. It has a little bit of gas in it too,
but I think it's it's a lot. It's a lot more perfumey than
other belt cuts out tried. There's there's one cut that one of our friend
has that we've been that we've washed a ton um or sorry Alex, we
washed the ton but it's so but it's yeah, it's really it's really perfume
me. So show up on the webcam. Uh yeah, we got so.
I think our trop cherry and our trop infusion whatever. Okay, first
off, the flavor on the super booth, like was so grapefruit so sweet?
That was so good, and then whatever the oh yeah, the citrus
shines on the for sure. There's some prop and fusion. This is modified
banana. It's a trap cookies. Oh man, that's that GMO crossed Yeah,
dulo g xuitmo. I love it that every time you move your hand.
It's just like dinosaur or whatever. Sa I gotta got time right cool
or whatever. Whatever. It's just badass background right now. You see my
wow? Yeah, the what was the first one I did? The Oh
my god, No that's not what I did, but I know that was
just such a beautiful texture. I literally picked it up with my hand,
moved it around like threw it in you know me, and like the one
you need try to peel out. This is this is a this is a
banana punch. Banana punch to motor breath cross we hunted a few years ago.
Yeah, it's it's really gassy and sweet banana at the same time.
It doesn't always finish as the wetter, but the I like, like a
little bit it's better. I'll definitely try that, Like you could put another
like oh little dollop of milk in the battery, you know, but like
lit like at that, really I do. I always say that like when
you have a little bit of the best has absolutely it's got like oh man,
see it's it's holy fucking yeah. And that's always a super consistent wher
also, so it's like a skunky smoothie, but in a good way.
And it's one of the things we're a lot. We're really excited for that
because we're about to cross uh that strain to other straight. We're about to
do our first genetic projects, and one of the ones that's first up is
reversing our cut of peel out to our other washers. So we're trying to
get some like, you know something some banana belts going, you know and
uh like flavoring and and banana with some of the other strains that we have
to really get some fruitier but expressions out of some other strings that we have
and see see what the genetics give us. I'm super excited about that.
Yeah, peel outs like my baby, that is very good. That's what
that's that's what you ever you all make this one? Or yeah we hunted
it, we didn't cross it, but it's oh yeah it's not that's that's
actually a cross. Bernarios sing this right, Yeah, that's actually a little
story about that. So Boreos and banana cond cut from Michigan too, right
Oreos I believe is yeah, but the bree for that one, um his
name is I believes Brandy Um I forget the honey sticks. So but he
actually passed away last year. Unfortunately, the breeder of that strain did.
So that's that's some little history about that. When he's he's out of Maine.
Um, but he's known for a lot of his genetics. That's some
some fire firework. Okay, cool. Yeah, we are actually talking about
the bank rang earlier and you were saying that might be someone you might be
washing there. All right, Well probably not, but we just know somebody
who probably you have so many favors. Probably I'm really excited to run out
with some of the new female hunts too. Like we only mentioned banana.
You guys are in that banana. That's my fault. I apologize. I
don't apologize. Well, listen, when you mix him, I don't necessarily
like sweet terms, but like I like when you can get him like that
balance of like a little bit of skunk, a little bit of funk,
a little bit of something. That's what I love so much about the peel
out. It's really a good balance of the motor breath and the banana punch.
That's why I loved so he had this back to bananas and it was
modified banana crossed with it was GMO to bana. Yeah, yeah, that
that was right in the bananas, like bananas scunk right, it was across
from that. No, I think it was so it was back to bananas.
Was modified banana crossed with gmo believe Oh okay, okay, okay,
okay. Yeah yeah, so it's like Gmo gmo cross back to bananas.
Yeah, and that's how I was like, Damn, I love me some
Gmo. I love me some skunky, gassy terms like that. It's some
baby diaper turps, baby diaper turs wow, unie cheesy stinky, like I
love me some cheese. Yeah, we got a string called truffle shuffle.
It's like straight from unto cheese. Real. Yeah, yeah, I think
it's I think some one of those space I like this one, the peel
out. It was nice. I think like a skunkie smoothie. But I
don't know explain that in a good way. It's good. Yeah, that's
like a strawberry bananas smoothe though, that's a that's a trouble shuffle. There's
another one. Hell yeah, that's nice, smells good. I mean everything
tries so off, our tastes good. You know, I tried everything yet,
but everything's like the is it yeah, we have about thirty strains of
a pretty big library of stuff that we can access. That's that's at least
a decent washer, if not a good washer. I just love that.
All that's you know what I mean, like people we have got or high
four percent or higher or so. Yeah, I mean it depends on what
the terp level is. Like if like, if the terps are a ten
out of ten, like it can be. It can be like a three
percent of to hash man, and I know you would still if it's exactly
what it is. Yeah, but if it's I mean, you know,
if it's if it's just like a seven out of ten on turps or something
that, like, um, you know it got it better be like a
you know, an eight center or something that way. At least it it
justifies it because I feel like if it has something that's a less unique turp,
you should kind of like move it for less or or market it differently.
This is beautiful too, just as a technograd batter. Holy hell,
when's that I don't know, banana glove? Yeah, yeah, it's Garry
Peyton crossed the peel out Yeah yeah, shut up, And here's that Garry
Peyton. I don't know if you saw this one, but this is funny.
We're an hour in the episode. Now we're selling everything. That's cool.
Usually we do go an hour enjoying you guys gotta go, but like,
no, I'm enjoying this. No, this was our holy I mean,
we're well, this is peopleowing earlier, but like this is our day,
Like, yeah, a little bit of everything. I do. Like
that though, And and to touch a little bit two on the on what
we look for. We try to look for strains that also nice that do
well in seventy three to one fifty nine. Like if you find a strain
and it washes to four or five, but it has a good portion of
it, like thirty percent of the heads are in forty five. Sometimes those
heads are usable, but sometimes they're not, and that just means that you
have less good hash to use to make your rosin and so, um,
you know, there's just a certain quality immuno metric that we would use that
we use and when we look at it the hash, you know, to
make sure it doesn't have enough partake or a lot of particular in it,
and then um, that's how we can judge whether we're going to keep a
strain or not, because a strain that washes to like four to five percent
but has all of the hash and the seventy three you is, in our
opinion, a much better performer than something that washes to six percent but has
you know, thirty or forty percent in the in the forty five. You
see, I always just assumed younger better or like lower better. Right,
Yeah, it's it's because once, uh, if you beat up the material
a lot, or your heads are like more fragile heads, you end up
with a lot more broken heads in the forty five or the twenty five,
and then you end up pressing heads with no oil um, broken up stock
um, or just small heads. And so like you know, the cannabis
trichom um, the larger it is, the more oil that can be inside
it. Right, It's like an egg in a way, Like the more
the bigger the egg is, you know, the more yolk that's gonna be
in there. So if you're you're cracking an egg, you know, just
like cracking a hash head, right when you crack that on the on the
press with heat and pressure, not an oil that's gonna come out is dictated
by the size of the head, right, you can't get more oil from
a smaller head. M okay, so there is that like kind of like
middle ground to it. You kind of have the breakdown. Yeah, yeah,
damn you all know your hash. Yeah, that's why what y'all do
because those heads are just nice. I was tasting. You probably love what
that's like your go to then washing loving it? Yeah, strap on or
strap I don't mind it, but it's it's a larious and I love it.
But I just, you know, keeps cracking out. You couldn't put
a dildo on the change flower recently. I like the Cherry Gary Cherry Gary.
We mixed that one. That's stop Cherry and Gary. Oh no way,
it was Gary, Cherry Poppins, Gary Poppins, Gary Poppy Pops funny.
That's fun. I can't wait. I literally can't wait to breathe and
come up with names for strains like I have some I've already picked out just
for the future. So that's is so is there? I mean, do
you well you can save them? Is there any strains you want to talk
about for your future? Since we're talking about the future, Yeah, we
got so you're excited to be like here it is I mean, really,
all the genetic projects are probably what I'm most excited about, just like just
making our own ship. Like like people we were talking earlier about people making
up names for we they don't know the name of and like changing the name
of stuff just to help market it better. And I think when you breathe
a strain, you have go to name it whatever you want, so like
if it tastes like this, or if it or if it is you have
a funny catch of the two words combined, Like it ends up being way
more fun and like honestly a little easier to market if you get to create
that path yourself. But I'm super excited about that. Yeah, but that's
really cool. I'm excited man scientists, And I'm over here some of the
strings I'm excited for. We got a we haven't really released yet. We've
got Mara Limo uh number twenty four, that's uh key one thousand cross to
key lime. And that one's like as a it's like the only word I
understand is key lime, Mara Limo, very straight sort. We're excited about
that one. And then we have another one, Z Truffles is that white
truffle cut across to z skittles. Um, so that one that one's really
fire. It has like a really gas set it, but then a nicer
four m z um. No, it's a fresh cut fresh fresh fresh sicut.
Okay, So we got a lot of gars. Yeah, we've done
his grilla nut, um barl icing, loudmouth, grape ran a lot of
if that was the mockable a lot that was only talking about earlier with all
the heads that just taste was Yeah, taste wasn't there? Probably flower wise,
but I know now I'm wondering if it would have tasted like straights.
Was it from the seed? Yeah? What it did, like I said,
it grew great. I'm complaints either its tastes then it wasn't. It
was like a hazelnut continues almost but now what you're necessarily looking for, and
we not at all but not not strong. That's what was like a light
though it wasn't it. It wasn't strong at all. It was like almost,
Yeah, it might be cool if you grow. You're right, you
said pen hunting is important, right yea, unless you find unique stuff like
we've tried a lot of stuff from I mean, I'm not gonna hate on
other brands. You know, there's some other brands out there that I've been
seriously impressed by some of the flavors that I've that have tasted, um,
some pretty exotic terps. So that I just every time I, you know,
I taste something that I'm like, whoa, it impresses me, I
just try to find, you know, where it came from, so I
can hunt the lineage myself and see what else that that pools on top of
the newest like unique flavor. Yeah. Well, I mean the environment in
both the caretaker start caregiver market and the metric market both changed really quickly.
Like there's some strains you can use over and over again, or like the
I think trup cherries be coming up there, one of them. Yeah,
yeah, just cherry in general. Lemon cherry gelata was huge. Yeah,
but there's some shoes you just can't keep running, and you know, variety
of the spice of life. So that's like why you know, the genetic
project is so important to us too, because you know, it puts us
in charge of you know, our own hash and and from quality from beginning
to end. Now even starting at before you know, before the hashes,
we can purposely match um genetics in order to try to find, you know,
cool things. So the markets constantly changed, so we just got to
be able to adapt with That's that's our that's our goal. That's exciting.
Do you see, like where is there any like unique product maybe you see
hash in the future, like going to like anything unique and hash in the
future, like you know, or solving lists or anything that you're seeing is
like like, I mean, you're on full melt. You see that coming
back? I do the like I know how popular hashes and Europe and basically
everywhere else in the world, right and with how popular hash rosin has gotten
and how popular like Pietella and all this shit is like like special hash and
it's just hash. It's because I don't it's it's like a specific type of
cured full melt. That's you produce it. We don't have to get in
down to produce it. But yeah, you produce specifically and um it uh
just special hash. It makes it really melty. It almost looks like rosin.
It looks like it, but it's just hash. It looks like but
it's that specific processes that make it to mess with the consistency, it's techniques
or tech you know to get it there. Does it take a longer time
for the process, I don't think so. I think it's a I think
it's down the line of heating your hash. So I think that's something you
have to do to it is very hard to master. Is that why people?
You have to have a lot of quantity, I think too make it
feasible, like the way you do with Yeah, yeah, but it's not.
It's not super dressing. Um, it's just full melt though, Like
it's so like it if it charges your banger or is like dirty bout before,
like you don't like cleaning it up before. It's just the same thing.
So, um, it just changes the consistency of it, just like
that. We like manipulate some of our rosin to be different techniques or different
finishes based upon like the heat that we use in the oven um to like
make the jams or the jellies. You know, it's it's it's it's along
the same thing jelly that's the heat. Yeah, Like I don't I don't
seem wow, I don't know how many different Like the other one looks a
lot more like Saucier. This is like this looks like some wet ass battery.
Yeah, I just want to eat it, dude. Come on,
we personally think that the heat on the peelout is a little bit stronger,
just like dam. I think the innovation is really going to come from people
just making better strains and through your strains and hunting them and finds the odds
because it's gonna take to take passion to move the game forward. And I
mean, there's a lot of different consistencies which are cool, but I think
the appreciation of the consistencies will come as like the consumers get more educated in
the market and then they'll realize, oh, well, hey, it's not
just all about cold here or this, Like jams and jellies or these other
items are also called full melt. You know, it's also something because I
can't actually read what it says. Jelly, Yeah, that's what you call
it, jelly, but it says something tear something tech. Heat teck is
heat tech and that's the same thing saying jelly. Okay, Well, like
jelly's and jams a little different. It's just jam or jelly on it,
depending on what the consistency is the difference between those two. In our opinion,
we just um so jams what you guys viewed earlier was like that strap
on. You could actually see the crystallization in it, right. It's from
the crystals falling out of liquefaction um in the material and the and the rosin
wealt's in the oven um and then you put it pull it out a specific
time and let it so they fall out lowly, right, and that's how
you get the cumulation the jelly um. You also use the oven but you
pull it out a little bit earlier and it gets like these micro crystallizations.
And in our opinion, it doesn't affect the taste of it at all.
There has been some experiments where we've we ran and it's been um, you
know, you had heat to the strange kind of taste, kind of taste
really really bad, almost like distillate. But that doesn't happen with this string
at all. We feel like it smells stronger and tastes stronger, and and
some data back dad up. Actually is like uh, jellies and jams to
it and to be more potent um in terpenes and cannabinoids than their cold cure
counterparts. If you're comparing the same washes to the same washing as you're saying
rosins, I think jelly is this is this is well for me who's upset,
it's a little it's it's like it's like three or four percent more potent,
and it's like a half it can be like you know, we've seen
anywhere from like point two five to a half percent increase in terpenes and it's
because two things are happening. So like, some of the chemicals that are
in the rosin are probably getting converted to terpenes um. And then a second
thing that's happening through heat is you have some dcarb so some of you r
THHCA is turning into THHC. And the weight that you're losing is you're not
losing weight um and like you're not losing THC, you're just losing carbon dioxide.
It's it's it's off gas and the form of CO two and you what
was that cause though? The loss of that, So that's how it and
the potency then spikes because you lose weight, but the potency like like the
the THHC isn't going anywhere. There's the same THHC. You just lose carbon
dioxide from your from what you're dabbing. So some people say it's actually a
little smoother too, because if it has like a twenty or thirty percent dcarb
like the jam does, then you don't have to You're you're dealing with,
like you know, a third less expansion of c O two on your dab
and your lung. So there's there's some of the science behind that too,
and it definitely is again the test show that it is more potent and the
turpenes are higher. Um, but it does heat again, can mess with
some strains and the same to where they're undesirable, but this one we don't
think it does it all. And that's why again tech is so important in
you know, in rosin and what we do. We feel like text really
awesome. There's some rosin producers who just absolutely like to they they they go
operate under the mantra like I will do whatever the resin expresses, right.
If the resin express is a little bit drier like the like the peel out
does, then then that's okay as long as you know, it's if it
burns clean and taste right. But we like operating, you know, well,
if you have a little bit of tech, have a little bit of
manipulation in order to with the difference between this jelly and the gym is because
they look it was mean side by side, they like, which one would
you pick? Right like? And so well, I'll be honest, like
the visually visually visually like if you're going on aesthetics and you could see something
before you purchased it, you know, a lot of people shop drive.
I was gonna strictly dab this probably the jelly jam because I like the way
it looks like the wet is. It really makes me like salivate a little
bit more. I'm I like it. I felt like if it was a
little more flavorful, but like they were both varied on very flavorful, if
that makes sense. Yeah. But but the thing is that one that would
make like a beautiful donut like yeah, I mean, and I know facts,
facts? Did it really use? So we have to w have this
up soon because we're gonna get jump over the glass then sorry, budd,
that sucks, But all right, well let's jump over the let's let's get
in the last like we're in the last couple of questions. Do you have
anything you want to talk about the future of APEX before we get out of
here, and then we have like one funny question that we always ask um
well to keep making good hash and hopefully once we go metric to the price
won't spike or anything like that. Doesn't sound like it's gonna be much more
than what people are getting it for these days. But uh, probably in
the future a greenhouse or some sort. It'd be nice to get our feet
dirty in in some living soil. Some at some point definitely want to try
and be more or have a side of the business at least that's more organic
and um sustainable. Like in the long run, you can't you can't fight
the sun. That energy is so plentiful and true. Yeah, just keep
doing our thing. I'm trying to keep it right, Yeah, I guess
I'm just excited just to you know, get our license into, get the
plants in the door, to continue operating on, you know, getting more
flavors out because we're really you know five we have five rooms of the facility,
so we can really crank out a lot of flavors. So um,
that's that's just really what I'm excited to do and to put that out into
the in the market and for you know, everybody who shops the dispensaries to
really see our work. And because I think the you know, the caretaker
carryer market is different than um, you know then the wreck market. It's
not not all people shop at the same places, but I think the exposure
to the other side is something that we really would like to have, um
just because you know, it's our It's been our dream to have this.
So I'm really excited to be able to go out there and do the legacy
or the the legacy events, I think is what some of these places are,
like big Clouds and and these other ones that are four metric producers and
and really good out there and put our work on display. So that's just
good roots are good roots. Why does it matter where the tree branched off
to, you know what I mean? No, I um, I love.
I love what you guys are gonna be doing. I'm excited for the
future from your genetic hunting or breeding hunting, pheno hunting. You should say,
Jesus, I'm like hihre like you're like he's not yeah. Uh A
little guys the market in September October uh, and there was a pleasure having
you guys on today. But you got to question every single person this question.
Yeah, if you if you so say you're smoking about take a dab
or wow, take a dam take a dab? Uh you open up the
rods. And also like Ganja ganza genie pops out. Anything you can do
for the cannabis industry, what would you do? What would you wish any
one change you could do? The can is What would you want to change
is the cannabis genie, the rosin cannabis, the rosin genie. I want
Instagram to stop fucking taking down cannabis accounts. So that's that's probably. Yeah,
that's just stopped that. That shenanigans, it's it sucks. Yeah,
I feel bad. I like that. I don't think anyone said that.
Let's good. I feel like if if it can affect free will, I
know it didn't in fairly odd parents whatever. People are not afraid, make
everyone unafraid of cannabis. Oh man, I like that one because it has
ways some money offer just open the doors for everyone. Oh man, ye
may just not terrified of it so there could get some research done, just
more acceptance in general, because that is a game changer. It just sucks.
Heaven. People know like we in general, right, yeah, dude,
because they that would kill the stigma, and the stigma getting killed is
what's gonna get it de scheduled, and that decriminal schedule, decriminalization is going
to happen and say banking and maybe yeah, you know I need that one.
Yeah, but like Big Farma has been able whatever, like people are
still gonna want their pills. Yeah, well understand, Like I feel like
they fight against cannabis. So they they have cannonball, cannabinal or whatever it's
called. They have a drug that does the same things. I mean,
it doesn't, but it tries to. Yeah, and it's but weed's a
bad thing. Even then they mock it like what it's growing from. And
we're from the heart. We're from Indianapolis, so we we're from the heart
of Big Pharma. That's where Eli Lily is based and created. Wow,
So you're like right there. So that's why I don't think it's that's in
Indiana. That's why I always hate going from Michigan to Indiana. Chicago Highway
just be a bridge. Why is my car not a boat in Illinois?
Yeah, exactly, it's a flyover state for a reason. Yeah, this
is why I want dichrominozation because I mean literally, then that way the hey,
the all these states that don't want it, then they don't opt in.
Fine, but then they'll see how many people will move out and change,
you know what I mean? And like you know, so I don't
know do Criminization is huge? Yeah, it is more access. It's not
a crime man's I love it. Well, this has been a blast,
Thanks for God. So yeah, anything else, anyone else you want to
shout out on the team or anyone shoot you you know. Um, yeah,
we shout the shout out the entire team. So we got the boys,
you know back just the entire team. We got them. Shout out
some growers. Uh, shout out Michigan Mason Jar he grows a lot of
space, runts white truffle and that Jedi breath, but he very all organic.
And then uh, um shout out Hilltop Horticulture. Yeah, shut out
Hilltop Hilltop for show. He makes our custom deb stands custom Dan shout shout
out big clouds too. You gotta get in them, you know. And
every all the all the organizers out one out Niles and and out that way,
and uh keep it a Michigan. Yeaople don't even know like you know,
like people like my sister have only gone to the dispo for weed what
you know what I mean, I mean sketchy situation. It's a totally different
environment at those at the festivals. It's really cool. It takes me back.
Everybody has to go at least one of their life, right minds like
you got to experience because that's literally how I think it should be eventually in
the future, just in general, even with metric matric and I should just
stop arguing and just combine the two somehow and make them one for everyone.
You absolutely abundance mindset. There's more, There's there's enough for everyone, right
man. Someone said the collective mind is better than the singular, right,
so the more but we have to like look on it. It's better,
yeah, leg And the more competition it remains, the more people are trying
to outshine each other, the better products end up on the market, like
quality at all. Yeah, that just drives us to be better, right,
That's the only thing. We try to other people stuff and we're just
like what the fuck, what do you what do this wash? To eight
percent? To Rosin, We're like whatever, stop, and they're really,
here's what it's like, shut up. Yeah, it's crazy crazy number.
Yeah, and we're like, all right, we gotta hitting on me Like
that's and that's that's how you should look at it, because at the end
of day, like people are trying to like block the carrier rights, they're
doing all these shady things just to like get ahead or like you know,
it's like why if you just focus on the product, you've been doing a
good product. Everything else just falls into place hopefully, right. Yeah,
I mean that's that we believe. Yeah, integrity, keep doing cover is
for good. Yeah, I guess. Uh. One last shout out,
I guess shout out loud Mouth Labs. So that's the name of our of
our legal facility or wreck facility. NI also know, Um, so go
follow down Instagram at labs. Oh yeah, how did your Instagram didn't don't
eat pecks, Underscore, solvent Less, Underscore two point out Okay I could
not find that. Yeah you got you gotta type it out fully because we're
shadow band. Um, yes, surprise, We'll give you a follow and
then we'll tag in post and stuff. Definitely chairs on it. But I
do want to say thank you guys for joining. This was a blast.
Thank you for bringing all the samples, your heady glass rig, telling us
all about the tech, your genetic breeding hunting, everything you guys you're doing
going into the metric market from the transitioning from the caregiver market. It's very
cool to hear how it's going the process. It tucks about the sixty day
because of electric panel. But I guess follow fall would be great for you
guys going into a fall winner. So overall, um, thank you guys
for coming on. Thank you for making a trip out here. First off,
because you guys took a long trip to get here something and trying to
get them under score out before I came. We would love to do it
again. You know what we actually do like what we call like a turf
talk interview, and it's supposed to supposed to be more of like a learning
you know thing like we could talk about your brand, but more educational.
So maybe we could talk about some press or Fullmelers. So did you guys
like really do Fullmeler really? Well, we don't know nothing about it so
and I know it's just whatever, but like it's just low and slow.
Maybe maybe we bring it to the lab when I've never seen it, I've
done like that, Like it was funny. We were trying to see the
full mel like at the table, but we didn't know when they were trying
it. We were just kind of like looking and like it felt creepy watching
people at the Heady. You know, it's like, okay, once a
line gets too long at a booth sometimes your people just like, I'm not
kind to stand around these people when we finish. Just like watching the judges
all smoke fifteen hasholes each. Yeah you know how they do it. I
mean, which one's about it? I don't know this one, but no,
seriously, Yeah, thank you guys, it was pleasure me and you
guys at Heady. Thanks for bring a trip out here again. And as
always Grope we're here to advocate, educate, and inspire the next time y'all.
Peace, Peace,