WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:41.359 Can I get it? Man? Yes? Good evening, gaps Hi, 2 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:48.679 Happy, Welcome back to Calling. Have the mic volume? Do that time 3 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:52.719 you did? Great? Okay? Good? This automatically just thing works? 4 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:55.759 All right. Welcome to Calling All Beings. I'm your host DJ, and 5 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:00.439 man, we light on the people tonight because Nathan decided he's going to New 6 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:06.120 Yoshit eh, which is how Mick Jagger says it in one of those Rolling 7 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:14.519 Stone songs. However, my homegirl Debzi websie in the joint and man, 8 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.120 what a week Debs had. Now some of you think you'd I'm been through 9 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:26.079 some stuff, but Debs there's a bridge that she drives over, and after 10 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:32.760 she drove over it, that bridge fell down. It's luckily not in the 11 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:36.480 same time span because I would have been even worse. I feel so bad 12 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:41.840 for the person who was last off that bridge. Yeah. Yeah, I 13 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.040 didn't make light. Did we lose life on that bridge? Yeah? We 14 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.760 lost probably about six people. They think it could be more. Wow, 15 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.560 you know, thinking in terms of that, that's kind of like, you 16 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.239 know, kind of like the Kobar Towers. I was kind of like one 17 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.359 of those dudes. I took off, went home, and then something like 18 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.840 five six days later, the Kobar towers blew up. That was sort of 19 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:12.280 a very early al Qaeda strike in nineteen ninety I think it was June twenty 20 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.520 fifth, nineteen ninety six perhaps or ninety five, so someone could check me 21 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:21.680 on that. But anyway, Hey, Julie, Jules's in the chat, 22 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:28.240 so we're super light handed tonight. Like I was saying, so Jules, 23 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.439 Nathan is going to New yok City, you know, thinking Mick Jagger right 24 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:38.199 now, and Courtney Marcosani, who is our she's our cab prospect. So 25 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:44.840 I want you to picture motorcycle jacket or vest, and she has the bottom 26 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:50.199 rocker that says Earth for the location, but she doesn't have the top rocker 27 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.199 yet. Once you know she's fully in, she's gonna have the top rocker 28 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:58.919 on her jacket, which says cab. Of course on Earth, you need 29 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.360 to have a taxi license, yes, yeah, she needs to go get 30 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:09.719 her taxi license exactly. And New York so yeah, yeah, Nathan said 31 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:14.240 he was going to New York Jewels, So I can't imagine where else he 32 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.280 would be going other than New York City. Uh, but I don't know. 33 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:22.639 Uh, maybe maybe he'll send me a message and let me know what 34 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:24.000 all he's doing there. But he you know, he's been on vacation with 35 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:30.800 his wife there since Deb's and I met him. Uh. That was this 36 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:36.159 second time that I met Nathan was in New York. The first time I 37 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:42.919 met Debs in person. So as Jeb says, AnyWho, Deb, have 38 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.319 you patented? Like? Do I have to pay you to say that? 39 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:52.159 Yeah? I'm good? So this is this is how much you know Deb 40 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:55.000 and our friendship has grown to where she's not gonna charge me right there. 41 00:03:55.039 --> 00:04:00.919 You know she's not gonna do something like where you know, uh what was 42 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.759 the other one? We can't say engaging though without paying Jameline, don't. 43 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:09.000 I always when I think of Nathan, I think of two terms. I 44 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:15.759 think of bespoke and meta always, so he's the meta bespoken one I think 45 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.160 of on ramps and off ramps. Uh to UFOs. Uh, there's some 46 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:26.279 other good ones he and Nathan. EXO and whatnot is one of his favorite 47 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.959 sort of suffixes to certain sentences and stuff. But anyway, I don't know, 48 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.439 we're gonna get into some some UFO talks. So in the chat, 49 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:42.560 jump in ask question Jones and otherwise me and deb we're just gonna do today. 50 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:47.160 D Yeah, so let's call it the state of the Union, the 51 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:54.040 state of yes, well what on to logical? Yes, Julian. See, 52 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:59.279 you guys wonder why Julie is so brilliant, and we've talked about this 53 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.800 on our hundred episode. But one of the reasons she's so brilliant is that 54 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:09.759 so ontological. I think you could apply that jewels to both Nathan and Exo 55 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.480 for sure. But the one of the reasons she's brilliant is she can take 56 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:18.199 this written medium here, this chat moderator thing, which is a very particular 57 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:23.959 skill. No, it's no. Actually, we already have a name for 58 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:28.800 this. So when I call Nathan and we talk about the podcast and we 59 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.639 strategize, you know, just kind of check in on what's happening, what 60 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.240 we're doing, what we want to do, who we want to have, 61 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.480 we call it the state of the Onion, which goes way back to my 62 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:45.519 hometown and the word onions made it into a lot of different sentences, so 63 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.120 that's where that comes from. But state of the Onion, So Debs, 64 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.399 as you know, Pat Benatar once said, hit me with your best shot. 65 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.879 What's going on? Okay, so people are still molling over a few 66 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:08.079 things that came from Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp. They're trying to understand still 67 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:15.040 about the Jellyfish UAP, and they're also molling over the fact that there are 68 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:20.240 comments about them being under investigation because they had that document, like they had 69 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:27.319 that film. So because they are reporters, because they're journalists, they're protecting 70 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.920 their sources. But people are really trying to figure out what is going on 71 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:38.000 with this constant investigation because they had the Jellyfish film and some of the other 72 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.120 films. So that's one of the things that's going on, if you wanted 73 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:46.000 to comment on that before we go on to some shore. Yeah, first 74 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:53.079 of all, let's say hello to Carolina Garcia, a direct descendant by the 75 00:06:53.120 --> 00:07:00.839 way of Francisco Pizzato Caro Encounters. I actually was on with her a couple 76 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:05.000 of weeks ago. We had a bang up discussion about UFOs and stuff, 77 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.360 and she did a great job, great interviewer. But anyway, Caro, 78 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.959 you now have the link. You're welcome to join us if you like, 79 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.600 and if you just want to sit and listen and yeah, that's all good 80 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.480 man. You can just sit and listen to what happened in here. So 81 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:28.480 so with that film, apparently deb that was a phone video of the screen 82 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:33.399 in I don't want to use the word the jock because I don't know that 83 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.560 that word was used, but kind of like that would be like to join 84 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:43.600 operations center at a base, So I don't know the particular because and actually 85 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:48.639 the security forces for that base also would have had those screens up and would 86 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:53.879 have had eyes on for that aerostat, because the whole purpose of floating that 87 00:07:53.959 --> 00:08:01.439 balloon over the base and having they had west Cam L three E MX twenty 88 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:07.600 camera on that aerostat, and the whole purpose of it is to have eyes 89 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:13.000 on for anybody who's trying to ingress the base, and particularly if someone was 90 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.079 trying to launch a shoulder fired weapon over that base, you would see them. 91 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:22.560 And of course there's another system there that is the man I'm trying to 92 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.439 remember their name. It's an adapted Navy system that they used to shoot out 93 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.919 objects that are coming over over the wires, so to speak. But it's 94 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:39.879 assisted by that MX twenty camera. So wherever they were, those guys took 95 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.080 a cell phone camera and filmed it. Now whether or not that was illegal 96 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:54.039 is really dependent upon what environment they were in the jock. I would I 97 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.799 have not been in a jock where you could have a cell phone period, 98 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.960 not a flip phone, not and definitely not a smartphone. They have cubbies 99 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.440 outside the jock where you would put your phone before you went in. You'd 100 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:13.120 put it on silent or turn it off, and then people would you know, 101 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.519 take a break and go out and check their phone. That kind of 102 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:22.240 stuff anyway, So yeah, uh, what's your thoughts on a deb Give 103 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.360 me your your take on it, and then I can you know what I 104 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.399 think. I think the big mistake that keeps happening is that we're talking about 105 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:37.080 national security issues, but the people, and you know, the audience, 106 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.279 the public, they don't want to see the national security things. They just 107 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.440 want to see the object. So if if people just did a little bit 108 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.200 of editing of these films would be cool. We don't need to see all 109 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.960 the little data points around the object. And that's where like we keep having 110 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.879 this issue right like, yes, the government can release film, they don't 111 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.600 need to tell us about their instruments. We just want to see the objects. 112 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.799 M That's a great point. I mean, I can't. I can't 113 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:13.080 argue with that point. And actually, if you've seen the Tic TAC and 114 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.879 the Go Fast, they have the screen blocked off in certain areas that you 115 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.679 can't see. I don't think you can see their GPS position of where they 116 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:30.399 are like you can in the that video the n y p Andy released helped 117 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.840 me out debs, the rubber Duck video. Yeah, I also believe the 118 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:39.679 anomalous, right, yeah, I mean video though, what what what what 119 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:45.879 would you like from that video other than the data covered up for well, 120 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:52.039 I think the other mistake is they keep telling the public that they're just clips 121 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.720 of the whole video, right, So cover the data and give us the 122 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.159 whole, the whole clip for the whole video. You know. Then we 123 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.639 don't have the games, we don't have the people arguing we don't like, 124 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:09.320 but they have the whole set of information that they need because one hundred percent 125 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:15.759 the general public does not want to affect national security. So they just give 126 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.840 us the whole film with that blocking that you mentioned that they did previously, 127 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:28.200 and we're good. So and Julie mentioned real quickly said Aguadilla uh in Puerto 128 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.559 Rico. Ironically, one of my colleagues in aerospace wants to vacation there, 129 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.039 and we have a new member of our team who's from the island of Puerto 130 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.360 Rico, and he was kind of schooling him up on the places he could 131 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.720 fly into. And they were talking about Aguadilla and any person who's you know, 132 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.480 involved in the UFO topic, you know, they bring us, oh 133 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.279 man, Aguadilla, you know, and you're thinking about that video. So 134 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.200 I turned him on to it. Hopefully he's watched it and I'll be able 135 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.759 to check in with him when my hair isn't on fire at work and find 136 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:03.080 out what he thinks of it. But here's the thing, so, Julie, 137 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:09.159 so that was Department of Homeland Security, and to my knowledge, that 138 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:18.600 is not classified. They are out there looking for illegal ingress to the United 139 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:24.879 States launching from an American territory, and so that video is not classified. 140 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:30.960 You will also notice that if you watch the rubber Duck video or the other 141 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.559 video, the one of the eight ten that's being sort of buzzed by UAP, 142 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.480 you will see that they haven't covered up that position either. You can 143 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:45.000 see where those videos occurred. Whereas when you get into the Department of Defense, 144 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.360 you're in a whole different area. Now now we're talking about national security 145 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:54.200 in a different way and much more advanced system So, for example, on 146 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:01.639 the latest AC one thirty platform, you have a newer camera in most cases 147 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.120 than what you would have on a Homeland security You would have the hand me 148 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:11.200 down maybe that we took off of the more advanced DoD assets and they would 149 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.600 go to Department of Homeland Security in some cases. So that's kind of how 150 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.759 it goes. It's just a different arena and with different ability. For example, 151 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.919 you could layze. So those cameras if you guys don't aware, aren't 152 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.879 aware, there is a targeting laser on there. There's a couple different lasers 153 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.720 on there. There's a laser designator, and that laser designator. If I 154 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:41.799 had a combat controller guy on the ground who's like an air force guy who 155 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.600 does air strikes, and you fire that laser out of that camera. Even 156 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.919 the one that took that Jellyfish video has that capability. He could see, 157 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.039 oh that's where it is. That's what you're talking about, because with his 158 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.080 night vision goggles on, he could see where your laser is. Then you 159 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.799 could have a target getting a higher powered laser and whatever you shine that laser 160 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.279 on, that's where the missile goes when you fire a missile. So that's 161 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:11.600 kind of what that's all about, if that makes any sense. Now, 162 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:16.240 your cost, your Department of Homeland Security stuff. They're not going to be 163 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.080 able to fire missiles at illegal personnel, thank you know, obviously and thank 164 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.159 god right, we wouldn't want to do that. Folks that are just trying 165 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.360 to cross the border. We wouldn't want to fire some sort of a munition 166 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:37.840 at them. So that's probably disabled on those devices in terms of the targeting 167 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:46.320 laser. Anyway, deb Now my question for you is from that video you 168 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.399 were saying, you were talking about what they could block in order to make 169 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.759 it safer. But what did you get out of that video? What is 170 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.200 your assessment and your feeling about what you say saw. Well, my big 171 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.960 thing about it is a lot of people wanted to say, oh, those 172 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.120 are balloons, and they tried to make something that it could be with a 173 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.240 photoshop. But you know, here here's my thoughts about it. It wouldn't 174 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:24.360 have come to Jeremy Corvell and George Knapp if the people assessing it just went, 175 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.200 oh those are balloons, Like that's ridiculous, first of all. Second 176 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.840 of all, balloons are probably not going to move in a straight trajectory horizontally 177 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.480 like they will move with the wind, and they will they will sway and 178 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:46.159 like move rocket around like it's And then a third part is that there's another 179 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:52.720 video and people are ignoring that, and that other video does demonstrates like some 180 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.759 bizarre behavior. Also, I think that one might be like over the water 181 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:03.000 or something. Yeah, and I think that, you know, there's a 182 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.360 lot of questions still, like, I don't know what it is. It's 183 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.919 definitely bizarre looking. It's not the only bizarre looking video, and it's something 184 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.399 other people have seen. Other people have described seeing something that looks like a 185 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:23.240 jellyfish or you know, they call it the Medusa jellyfish. So I think 186 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.320 there's a lot of questions. I'm never gonna be really good about saying yes, 187 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.960 one hundred percent I think that's this or that, you know, I 188 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.080 just I can't. I'm not don't know. Yeah, we don't know what 189 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.200 it is. Julie thinks it's my hair. What happened on my hair? 190 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:44.919 Julie, I can assure you that that is actually not my hair, because 191 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.279 if it were, I would have been chasing it and going come back it's 192 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:55.559 gone. So yeah, and that was my act if any if any producers 193 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.840 are out there, that was sort of my acting jobs. But Julie is 194 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.279 pointing out some debths that people on the ground. So the Marine Corps officer 195 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.279 said, who was there in the intel officer that they could not see it 196 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:12.039 with their naked eye. Yeah. What else is kind of interesting to me 197 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:18.359 about this is that people are bringing up some of the other balloons that are 198 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.880 in the works, and I was actually one of the first people to put 199 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.319 that information out. But it also if you do any research on this, 200 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:33.119 you find out that those balloons don't go out of a building. They're in 201 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:38.039 a building, like they're not capable of what we saw in that film. 202 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.799 So I don't know, I just I just feel like, you know, 203 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.680 it would it probably wouldn't be a drone because it's much too complicated to be 204 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.640 a drone, right, And it's missing some of those vital vital elements such 205 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.599 as propulsion that we would be able to see in that spectrum, right and 206 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.720 it and it doesn't move like a balloon to me like I've seen balloons in 207 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.640 the sky. They don't move straight like that. Yeah, yeah, I 208 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.839 have. Oh wow, this is another a whole other observable. We got 209 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.200 to get trained up. I'm not going to spend too much time on the 210 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:17.640 debunkers because they're not really worth my time and they're not really trying to figure 211 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:22.960 this out. You know, they're scared of what this could be because we 212 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.960 don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I know 213 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.920 what it's not. I know it's not a balloon, and I know it's 214 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.880 not something like that's not a piece of my larg just like the rubber duck 215 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:41.759 was not. Because the rubber duck was being analyzed by a sensor operator that 216 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:51.599 worked for DHS that had thousands of hours of experience looking through that sensor to 217 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.079 come up with, oh my god, I don't know what this is. 218 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.000 And that's how he got in touch with Andy and allowed him to release a 219 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.720 couple of films. So that's the idea. The whole idea is that people 220 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.279 who know what they're looking at know that they don't know what this is and 221 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.119 they don't know its origin, they know what it's not. The debunkers, 222 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:17.799 all of a sudden, who don't know anything and have no expertise professed to 223 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.640 know what it is, but they don't unfortunately, So so that's the situation. 224 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.559 So I don't spend too much time on them. I'd rather kind of 225 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.559 talk about what it is. I think one of your points, though, 226 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:36.759 deb that I find very Kojent, is that if they would have showed the 227 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.559 whole thing, what you're talking about, where they would have shown it going 228 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.559 trans medium and going in the water and coming out, which is what the 229 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.759 Marine Corps officer that George and Jeremy brought on the show because he was there, 230 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:56.200 he saw it happen live. If they would have shown that, then 231 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:02.960 it would have convinced or at least maybe in theory, would have swayed some 232 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.880 of these people who try to debunk everything that comes out that's real, just 233 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:11.119 like they try to do with those pyramid UFOs that are one hundred percent legitimate. 234 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:17.480 And I know that because I know what the military's actual assessment of that 235 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:22.960 those of that was and I've seen that. So yeah, but unfortunately people 236 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.880 they're scared and they want to do it. So I don't waste my time 237 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.279 trying to convince them. I'm more concerned with talking about what it is because 238 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:40.880 that thing was weird looking, scary predator business. Yeah, I think that 239 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:47.960 it's it's hard to say what some of these things are, like some people. 240 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:56.119 I like to leave the anomalists to this, right because because it was 241 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:02.119 a suit, as someone attribute to label, any other possibility is thrown out, 242 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.240 right, Like as soon as someone says, oh, that was a 243 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.759 saucer, someone's going to say, oh, yeah, well then there's aliens. 244 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.240 Right. Well, we don't know. We don't know where it's from, 245 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:18.599 right, And that's why the debunking doesn't work, because we're studying unidentified 246 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:25.640 objects, and you can't tell someone who cannot identify an object that it's not 247 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.440 unidentified. It's such a weird think thing to say, right, Yeah, 248 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:36.480 I mean they want us to say that it's from a non human until or 249 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.519 we want to say it's extra terrestrial or something. I don't know what it 250 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.880 is. I can tell you what it's not in my opinion based on what 251 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.680 I know about aircraft, and those aren't conventional crafts, so they're probably from 252 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.880 some sort of a non human intelligence, at least current day modern humans. 253 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.000 You know. Could it be the future of us, yes? Could it 254 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.680 be the past us maybe, I don't know, but it's you know, 255 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:07.160 I'm just gonna for a catch. I'll call it NHI because it's exhibiting characteristics 256 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.359 that we have not developed yet, particularly when you know, if people could 257 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:18.640 try to imagine and think in terms of hypersonics. Let's say that we have 258 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.200 hypersonic Let's say that we have hypersonics, but we wouldn't be able to go 259 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:26.440 hypersonic from a standstill. That's a technology that we don't have. And let's 260 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:32.119 say, but let's for the sake of discussion, let's say that we could. 261 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:36.079 Let's say we had something that could go hypersonic from a standstill, that 262 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:42.559 we had developed this technology. We haven't developed a technology that doesn't interact with 263 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:48.720 the air around it so that it wouldn't it would not produce a sonic boom. 264 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:56.160 I don't believe we have a technology that is unaffected by air and can 265 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:06.319 accelerate through water that from a hydrodynamic standpoint or a hydrostatic drag standpoint, we 266 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:11.720 wouldn't be able to do. That's what Tim Galadett and the folks that he's 267 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:17.240 interviewed are telling him. By going several hundred knots underwater, that's like as 268 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.359 fast as like a seven forty seven that's cruising across the Atlantic, but it's 269 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:26.000 doing it underwater. We haven't figured that out. So that that's the part 270 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:30.640 is that even let's say we have something that could that could exist at that 271 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:37.599 speed, it couldn't do it without creating a sonic boom or interacting with what 272 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:44.440 we know is our atmosphere, our oxygen and nitrogen that that forms the air. 273 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.680 So what do you think about Well, I was going to say, 274 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:56.079 you know what's interesting is another piece of news that I was gonna mention was 275 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:03.599 that the three body has come out and everbody comes from the three body problem. 276 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.000 There was a prime version and the Netflix version is now out right, 277 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:14.839 and it's taking the whole concept of UAPs and engagement with NHI to a very 278 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:21.839 scientific place. And I understand, of course it's fiction, but if you 279 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:26.480 understand how China approaches UAP, they do it from a scientific perspective. They 280 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:32.559 just think it's part of science. So I'm hoping that with some of these 281 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:37.480 new objects, the SEU will take a look at them and come up with 282 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.480 some more papers like they did for the previous videos. You know, maybe 283 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:47.920 they'll come out with one about this jellyfish, the Medusa, right, and 284 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.160 really come to that same conclusion that we have nothing that does what these things 285 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:57.279 are doing. I hope. So, man, we have not seen you 286 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:03.720 in a while. WRONA. Yeah, I feel like you haven't been in 287 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.799 in a while, but welcome. So if you're watching us, and we'll 288 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.279 talk about that in pickup on Deb's point here in the second, if you're 289 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:18.279 watching us on Facebook or Twitter, if you would do us a solid go 290 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.920 to the YouTube video and what's up? Oh wait a minute, I don't 291 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:29.279 know is that Courtney, I'm skidd If you would do us a solid and 292 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.039 go to YouTube and give us a subscribe and a like, we greatly appreciate 293 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.359 it. Pretty soon here in a month or so, we're going to or 294 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:42.960 May ninth, I guess is our debut on the Untold Radio Network. Super 295 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:48.960 excited about that. Be performal announcements coming. But yeah, if you please 296 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.000 go to that, give us a like and subscribe, we don't appreciate you. 297 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.559 I'm sorry. Deb. Back back to your point, my friend, 298 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.559 which one you're we're talking about? Oh? Three by Yeah, okay, 299 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.400 So what's interesting though? I want to say. I wanted to comment though, 300 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.880 that the Netflix version is very different from the previous one that I watched, 301 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.200 which was the Chinese version on Prime. And you know, you could 302 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:22.480 argue that you lost something in the translation, but it still gets to the 303 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.400 crux of it, a very very scientific approach to how these things are possible. 304 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:36.400 They talk about, you know, quantum dimensions, they talk about thinking 305 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.920 in terms of dimensions, in terms of size. It gets really interesting and 306 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.480 I think it kind of brings this subject to the public in a new way. 307 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.039 Yeah, I have not seen the film, nor have I read the 308 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:53.920 book, just because I don't know. There's something about it. I kind 309 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:59.119 of felt weirded me out. But you know, anything that brings eyeballs and 310 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:04.839 opens people eyes to the possible is great because then that's one less experiencer of 311 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:11.559 the UAP of phenomenon. The folks that are monitoring Bigfoot out in the woods, 312 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.359 that are seeing orbs and or Bigfoot himself and they go and tell someone 313 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.279 about it, and man, there's so many people that get you know, 314 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.559 laughed at, or they just kind of get a nod, and you kind 315 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.519 of know when someone thinks you're full of it. And you know, frankly, 316 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:33.400 I've shared some of these videos that I've shared with the Cabby's with friends, 317 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:38.559 and they're just not they really don't want to entertain this topic. And 318 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:44.200 I think, you know, I like the fact that this film is out 319 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.160 there and it can maybe insidiously bring someone in without them really knowing it. 320 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.079 What do you think about that that people just don't want to entertain this? 321 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:59.559 Is that? Okay? I think when you are just going through the day 322 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.559 to day and dealing with like, you know, the day to day emergencies, 323 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.359 it's just too much to go there, you know, Like it's it's 324 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.240 the same though, there are people who don't want to deal with religion right 325 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.519 now, you know, they don't want to deal with politics right now. 326 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.960 They don't want to deal with any additional topics, I don't think. But 327 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.799 then with this topic, and I was mentioning this in the last show a 328 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:32.519 little bit, it's like people are how do I put it, Like it's 329 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:37.039 overwhelming, Like there's just so much of the same, Like there's UFOs, 330 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.000 there's UFOs. We get it, there's UFOs. So they're like, Okay, 331 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.240 there's UFOs. I'm going to keep paying my bills, you know what 332 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:48.839 I mean. It's like yeah, yeah, So where's the shift? Where? 333 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.440 Where? Where does there need to be a shift? And potentially why? 334 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.799 I think if we can stick with facts like we talked about also in 335 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:06.440 the last episode and really stop trying to sensationalize it and she kind of put 336 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:12.839 breaks on like the fakes and the CG and just kind of take it seriously 337 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.640 and let people talk like that's a big one. Just let people talk about 338 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.599 it. Then people can sort of normalize the subject instead of avoiding it. 339 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.839 It'll be like talking about the weather. Oh yeah, there was a UFO 340 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.559 outside today. Yeah. Check out Nicki Noel on Facebook. My goodness, 341 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:38.920 excuse me. On Twitter, Nicki Noel has gets some incredible videos outside her 342 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.680 house. I don't know what it is. She's like, she's like Chris 343 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.880 Bledsoe. Man, she's just got them buzzing outside her house all the time, 344 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:53.240 daytime, nighttime. Nicki Noel on Twitter Who she was on with somebody 345 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:59.359 not too long ago. I can't remember who it was, but but yeah, 346 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:00.920 we might need to get her on check out those videos, man, 347 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:07.960 what do you think that sounds good? I have seen some really interesting videos 348 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.279 and photos that are not in the public because people message me them. But 349 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:17.200 I never shared them because I don't have that permission to do it. So 350 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:23.160 I have seen like civilian videos of tic TACs and things like that. I 351 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:30.240 was just going to say, though, that imagine our country taking this subject 352 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.720 on like they do the weather and then just being part of the weather report, 353 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:40.000 you know, like imagine it just being included. Take it another step 354 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.920 though, depth. Why is that important? Why do you think it's important 355 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:47.720 that people know. I think if we know, then no one's going to 356 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:52.400 suffer from shock, you know, like if it becomes normal, it's not 357 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.680 going to be something that freaks people out anymore. It's the subject that we 358 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.759 can just have over the dinner table. Oh yeah, there were like five 359 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.079 over Arizona last week. Oh that's interesting, cool, Like, or what 360 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.279 do you think that's about? Why do you think there are five UFOs? 361 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:14.000 You know, just having that conversation and being open. I know that when 362 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:18.279 it comes to my family they would love to just shut it down. You 363 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.279 know. Also there they were very quick to send me all of those articles 364 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:29.720 about the new Airover report and how you know, obviously this means there's nothing 365 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:36.000 to this. They just jumped on that. Because so I don't I don't 366 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:41.880 talk to them anymore about it. You know that's the repercussion. You know, 367 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:48.960 I won't go to them about it. I've heard you use the words 368 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:56.359 many times before. We need to prepare people. Why is that? So? 369 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.440 There's this dream that a lot of experiencers talk about that they have. 370 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:07.759 It's a shared dream. They dream about just a massive number of sightings happening 371 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.880 at the same time. If we don't prepare people for something like that, 372 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.759 if like the potential for that, if we don't prepare people for the potential 373 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:24.680 of thinking outside of just human and humanoid and all that, they're going to 374 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.880 have what I call like a traumatic response. You know, they're gonna their 375 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:36.440 world will unravel. They will have and I will say it onto the logical 376 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:51.759 shock party people put those hands together for Carolina Garcia, how is going? 377 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:58.160 I am literally I've been listening to you guys. I've got my daughter watching 378 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:02.160 something in the background, but he's doing his podcast in the other room and 379 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:12.160 kidding that guy. Yeah, he's all right. I mean, but your 380 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.279 future husband, Yeah, I guess that's what's going to happen, you know. 381 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:22.559 But I just got to get down but dead. I So you were 382 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:27.960 about you were touching on the air report, and I really want to know 383 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.000 more about that. I'm literally just popping in just because I've been wanting to 384 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.000 chat with you guys for so long, and so I don't know when, 385 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.720 like things can get crazy around here any second, but just talking about the 386 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:50.279 air report and then and then I'm gonna hop off for this. So the 387 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.880 air report, and then I want to know specifically, you know, after 388 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:58.519 this report has come out, what do you think their role is going to 389 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.480 be? Is there a need for them? What's going to happen afterwards? 390 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:06.680 But okay, that's amazing. I'll answer that part first. Yeah, I'll 391 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.880 answer that part first. The second part. First, the Arrow Report was 392 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:22.000 written by a resolution office. Like people are you know, continuously associating unidentified 393 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:28.559 flying objects now known as UAPs with EROW. But aero's job is not to 394 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.800 look into NHI. They're not interested in that. They would pass the buck 395 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:37.599 if they found one immediately, and who knows where that would go right Area 396 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.199 fifty one, who knows? But their interest is resolution. They want to 397 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:50.480 resolve everything, so they will put something forth as a resolved fact, possibly 398 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:57.920 because that's their best conclusion, or possibly to you know, dissuade people from 399 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.960 being uncomfortable. Who knows what reason. Great, but they definitely are not 400 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:10.800 there to look for unidentified. They're there to identify period, right, So 401 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.000 like I've pointed that out a few times on Twitter, by the way, 402 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.800 like they're they're not the unidentified group, Like that's not who you go to 403 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:25.960 if you want unidentified. But the other thing that's happened with the Arrow report 404 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:31.199 is apparently they don't put a whole lot of depth of research into it. 405 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:36.800 I'll you this will shock you. DJ. I have not read it. 406 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:42.280 I don't feel like wasting this godab come on, I mean, just think 407 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.079 about how enlightened you'd be if no, no, I know better. But 408 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:52.719 apparently there's just like some gross errors. Actually I heard Kevin Kunouth talking about 409 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.800 it briefly the other day, just some of the gross errors. Like the 410 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:05.239 most I would say, the biggest case that we had to kind of laid 411 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.880 the carpet out for this happening was the Kenneth Arnold case, right, And 412 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:14.480 they've made errors about the object that he saw, the date that he saw 413 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.920 it. And that's pretty bad. If you can't even get the Kenneth Arnold 414 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:25.199 case correctly, you could google it and see right, And I don't think 415 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:31.559 again, I should know more about things like that than the people who were 416 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.400 hired to know about it. Well you care more? Yeah, well they 417 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.239 I don't know, like I I want to say, there's some people in 418 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.960 Arrow who probably really do. But again, their job is not to care 419 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:52.079 about NHI, that's not to care about civilians. Their job is to resolve. 420 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:58.320 And if there's anything that they could ever not resolve, I imagine it 421 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.840 would get shuffled somewhere else and we wouldn't hear about it anyway. So so 422 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:08.760 we're running, Uh tell me if I'm saying your name incorrectly. Actually I 423 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:13.440 might need to put my glasses on for this. Yeah, yeah, we're 424 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:22.039 runa farm. Okay, so for what it's worth, Green Street interviewed Sean 425 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:30.480 Pactrick. But so let's go back to when the office was formed, which 426 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.280 I don't know. Okay, we ruined a farm, Thank you, ma'am 427 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:40.159 or sir, let's go back to when and hello Annie non Et, thank 428 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.880 you very much for joining us. Again, we missed you. They said 429 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:50.039 the craft Michael Herrera encountered was an ET craft. It wasn't. It was 430 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:58.480 an ar V uh Total BS report is Herrera the Marine Corps guy uh and 431 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.679 on the that's auto in uh. Was it Indonesia or Thailand? It was 432 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.400 in the Far East pay Com theater somewhere, I think anyway, Yeah, 433 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.280 school me up on that one. I think that's who Herrera is. But 434 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.159 here's the thing, so, yes, yeah, exactly. I saw that 435 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:21.199 when he was on with Sean. I can't remember his name. The Navy 436 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.159 Seal has got like eight hundred thousand subscribers back then. It's probably got more 437 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:32.760 now. I'm good for him. Anyway. So when this office was created, 438 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.679 I don't know if it was the NDAA twenty twenty one or twenty twenty 439 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:44.760 two. NDAA probably twenty twenty two that created the office, and when they 440 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:51.519 put it under the Department of Defense, which is you know, thank you, 441 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.480 Sean Ryan. Yeah, the department that I've loved, that I've worked 442 00:38:54.760 --> 00:39:01.039 for and dedicated, you know, thirty years of my life too or more. 443 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.320 I still was a little bit skeptical because you have to, you know, 444 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.159 you have to be able to parse things out and say, well, 445 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.559 I like this, but I don't like that because life isn't black and white, 446 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.599 right, it's the same color. What color are these some of these 447 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:24.159 creatures that enter people's bedrooms dead. There's great, there's why Well let's just 448 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:28.159 hold on gray for a second. Yes, I know there's reptilions, and 449 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.239 we're not going to say the other one with the translucent skin and the long 450 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:36.280 hair that look like they could be a model for hair conditioner. So, 451 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.440 you know, I have to be able to say what I love and also 452 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:47.440 what maybe I'm skeptical about and don't have full faith in. And unfortunately, 453 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:53.559 when they put that office under DoD, I mean, obviously they don't work 454 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:59.559 for Congress. You know, their bosses in Congress. Their boss runs up 455 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:04.400 through the SECT Deaf, through the joint chiefs, through the service chiefs and 456 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:09.000 the secretaries of their services. Because each the Army, Navy, and the 457 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:16.679 Air Force have a secretary as well that's under the Sect civilian. So there 458 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:24.639 are lines of there're sort of lines of responsibility. But they don't run to 459 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.840 Congress, so they could say you're not my boss, you know. So 460 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.199 I kind of was skeptical about that, and then after the first report, 461 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:38.039 I was very disappointed. Although they did say that I don't know, there 462 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:43.119 was four things out of like two hundred and forty that they couldn't identify, 463 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.800 et cetera. And then they just kind of saw. I had no expectation 464 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.440 for this one whatsoever, and I never thought that we were going to get 465 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.960 a report every six months the way that it was it was pointed out, 466 00:40:54.079 --> 00:41:00.400 and that they were actually going to reveal anything. So unfortunately, not that 467 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.199 the American people are the are the enemy, but in this case, you 468 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.559 know, the disclosure of the information is the enemy, and so therefore they're 469 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.239 on the opposite side from that, unfortunately. And that's what I guess they've 470 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.159 been directed to do. And when you're in those offices, you're if you 471 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.440 like your pension and you like your job, uh, and I liked those 472 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:32.320 things, you do what you're told. This is why that lou Elizondo was 473 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.199 such a huge thing, is because he said, Okay, you guys may 474 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.920 want to do X, but I'm not going to do it. I'm going 475 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:49.159 to leave and I'm going to resign my position and my pension and my my 476 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.480 TSP, which is a ten percent match four one k that the government has 477 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.719 beautiful thing, and I'm going to give it all up to come out and 478 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:04.320 disclose to you people. For that there are and I hate to use this 479 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.360 word on cab morons in this community that said, oh, I think you're 480 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:13.119 just a disinformation agent. Really, I just gave up a job and a 481 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.559 pension worth a lot of money. Then you have. Now he may get 482 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:21.119 a small something. I don't know the amount of time he was in because 483 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:22.480 it has to do with your age. There's a lot of factors that go 484 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:28.239 into the retirement. When you started years of service, what grade were all 485 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.639 these different types of things. Yes, the claim is Alsano expected a bigger 486 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.719 payday from tss uh. Yeah, and guess what if you want to go 487 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.960 check out the TTSA website. None of those guys are there anymore. Help 488 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.960 put offs not there. Steve Justice isn't there, Loue Alizondo isn't there. 489 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:52.559 Jim semi Van is only on their board of advisory. So all these different 490 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.039 things. Yeah, there was reading a book. You Lyn pick a service 491 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:02.480 and challenge that yourself apart. I love it. I love it. Julie's 492 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:08.920 playing some commercials. I love it. Jill light in the mood. Okay, 493 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:15.280 So anyhow, then what Grush did you know? Grush was at the 494 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.079 beginning of his career. He did not retire from the military like lou So 495 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.239 this was going to be his first retirement and had he stayed in the reserves 496 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.119 long enough. Because the calculations for reserve service are not the same as active 497 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.239 duties. You have to do more than twenty years in order to get a 498 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.679 retirement from the military when you're either reserve or guard. Except in certain positions 499 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.280 like para rescue. There's certain high demand, low density positions that you can 500 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.480 actually serve and get the same multiplier. But they don't find pair of rescuemen 501 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.719 grown on trees. So anyway, long story short, David Grush gave that 502 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.360 up. He gave up both retirements that he would have had and his TSP 503 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.280 and everything to come out and talk about this. You know, my cat 504 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:07.360 is back. Well, while you deal with your cat. I wanted to 505 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:15.639 take this opportunity to educate some people about what counter intelligence means because I did 506 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.519 some research, which I do and basically, what it means is that you're 507 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:28.920 assigned to make sure that foreign adversaries don't know about your top secret program. 508 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:35.800 It doesn't mean that your goal is to damage the public, or especially not 509 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:42.280 the American public, which is extremely no, no, essentially, right, 510 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.800 unless you're you know, dah, I say maybe, but any who, 511 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:53.559 The point is that he was hired to protect ASAF. And we've heard since 512 00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:01.480 all of this has happened that ASAF was striving to pop simply move objects into 513 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:07.280 a warehouse. I don't know if that's one hundred percent the reason, but 514 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.360 you have to watch over a project and make sure it's not getting leaked, 515 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:17.920 and happy to say it did not right, This information didn't come out even 516 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.519 in the article because they just talked about a TIP. Now, a tip 517 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.719 was a couple of things. People forget that a TIP was working with the 518 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:35.840 CIA eventually, like John Ramirez told us that basically Lou was working with the 519 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.760 CIA after ASP ended, so it had funding, like obviously, and Lou 520 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.760 told us they had funding. But my point is that he did something heroic. 521 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.920 He protected a program. Then he came out when he realized that that 522 00:45:52.000 --> 00:46:00.800 program wasn't being taken seriously, because it's extremely dangerous to be telling pilots not 523 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:06.559 to report, especially in this day and age. Even if you don't believe 524 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:12.840 in UFOs, even if you don't believe in UAPs, it is ridiculous to 525 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:19.159 think that a pilot should not report seeing an object because nowadays we do have 526 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.480 things like Chinese spy balloons, as they say, you know, that's not 527 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.400 what the Chinese claim it was. By the way, still they say it 528 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.280 was a science balloon. Sure, uh huh, jobs check the right. 529 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.719 We do have drones that are in existence, phenomenal drones, by the way. 530 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.480 So it is crazy that they were not allowing people to report and that 531 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.280 was one of the things that lou was fighting against. How could you stop 532 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.840 people from reporting that? How can you not take that seriously? That is 533 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.719 extremely dangerous to not take that seriously. Can I interrupt for one second? 534 00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.880 Yeah. The last straw was he was working for James maddog Man Mais who 535 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.920 was the Secretary of Defense at the time, and they would not his boss 536 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.960 would not allow him to talk to mag Dog mad Dog Madis and inform him 537 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:15.440 of what he knew. So that's so crazy to me. That was a 538 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.360 capstone that was That was when he wrote the resignation letter. I also want 539 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:27.360 to I want to say something to Waruna Waruna Farm. So that rumor about 540 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.320 the claim that Alexander I'm gonna put this up on the screen expected a bigger 541 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:37.599 payday from TTS A. I want to say, there is not a person, 542 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:45.360 a person that can confirm that except for lou Including. You could ask 543 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.119 it. You could ask Sean Cahill, you could. There's nobody that could 544 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.599 confirm what he thought he was going to make. And I'll tell you why 545 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:58.519 this is interesting because I was speaking with Rob Sheridan over the weekend. If 546 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.039 you guys don't know Rob Sheridan from Ireland, he's a disclosure advocate. He 547 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:07.840 is a anti debunker, if you will. And we were doing the math 548 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:14.599 on and give me some of the TTSA luminaries if I've forgotten them, debs. 549 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:17.800 But let's just take a look at the core group, because was Chris 550 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.119 Mellon one of them at one point? Yes, temporarily Okay, he was. 551 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:27.400 Okay, so let's we got our fingers here. So we have Luel 552 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.679 Azondo, we have Hal put Off, we have Steve Justice who left Lockheed 553 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:39.880 skunk Works, right, we have uh, Christopher Mellon right. So, 554 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:47.000 and who's the last person that I'm not thinking of? Now? What's that? 555 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:53.840 Jim? Yes? Okay, so five guys, So let's just say, 556 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.880 for the sake of discussion that they made one hundred thousand dollars a year. 557 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.199 Every one of those guys would be underpaid at one hundred thousand a year. 558 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.239 Just think about that. Like I made about that much with my position, 559 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:14.719 I was below what Alizondo was making in government. So every one of 560 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.679 those guys is underpaid at one hundred grand a year. So that means DeLong 561 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.719 had to bring in half a million dollars just for five guys, not even 562 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:31.000 dealing with office expenses and travel and contracts personnel to be able to write proposals 563 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:37.360 like they had that proposal and won that that army contract that I think never 564 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.599 went to fruition, et cetera. That is, that's half a million dollars. 565 00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.039 Even Tom DeLong a musician, those guys are not going to want to 566 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.719 come out of a pocket and pay that much money every month. And that's 567 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:54.159 I'm lowballing it. At one hundred grand. I'm giving them the absolute minimum 568 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.400 that those guys would have had to make. So there's no way that somebody 569 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.639 thought that that was going to be more fruitful. Lou did not leave because 570 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.119 he thought he was going to make more from TTSA. He left because he 571 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:12.639 was morally opposed to what they were asking him to do, and they would 572 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.800 not let him brief the sect deaf about what he knew. And although things 573 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:21.039 may have you know, you heard about another government official was his name Gary 574 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:27.079 something or whatever debs, but that is what pissed him off and was the 575 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.079 last straw when they said you will not tell the boss what you know. 576 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.960 And that's when he said I'm out. And then they did some these courageous 577 00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:39.639 things by releasing these videos. Otherwise I'm probably not on air with you right 578 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:45.159 now, and I could probably name you a dozen shows that wouldn't be on 579 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.239 the air right excuse me that wouldn't be on the air right now were it 580 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.559 not for them doing that, which energized this entire movement. There wouldn't have 581 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:59.280 been this movement if they didn't get those three videos released. It reminds me 582 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.679 of them show Don't Look Up, you know, the whole I didn't see 583 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:07.960 it. Yeah, it's scary. So it was again on Netflix, and 584 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.760 the premise is that people are trying to warn people that something bad is going 585 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.679 to happen to the planet, and a lot of people are just like, 586 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.719 oh, yeah, okay, well we're gonna keep moving about and ignore you 587 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.519 and go about our day. And it's just like, this is craziness, 588 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:30.320 Like, how can you ignore this information? You know, Well, it's 589 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.679 because they have a different agenda. You know. Their agenda is to and 590 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.679 what they remember. Lou has said themselves. A lot of these people believe 591 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:45.000 that they are doing something patriotic because a lot of people can't handle it. 592 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.320 And you've got to admit deb You've got to admit that. When Dave Drush 593 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.880 came out with his comments, you and I saw some of our colleagues, 594 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.920 people that are hosting major UFO shows start to melt down just a little bit 595 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:06.840 over what he revealed. So what does that tell you? Yeah? I 596 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:14.719 think, you know, I have mixed feelings about responses, you know, 597 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:20.519 I just see such strange behaviors happening, Like people who are really into this 598 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.760 topic will fight on one other aspect of it, you know, they they 599 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:30.679 don't want to talk about that party. You know. I think people are 600 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.880 right, it's mixed, Yeah, I think people are really complicated, like 601 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.840 they don't want to Some people really want to talk about the nuts and bolts 602 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.199 and then get upset if someone talks about what they call the WU right, 603 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:50.039 and some people get really upset if someone says aliens or some people take offense 604 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.679 that the use of interdimensional is a label. That's me. I'm one of 605 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:59.400 those. Like, so, I just people are complicated, they're not responding 606 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.360 in a way I would expect. I think my approach is also very different, 607 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:07.840 though, DJ Like, I think that's my issue with this whole line 608 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.559 of thinking. I just am like, Okay, there's UFOs. What's the 609 00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.719 big deal, Let's just go figure it out. Why are reacting weird about 610 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.239 this? Well, we all have hang ups, deb I mean, I've 611 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.599 got hang ups, things that I'm hung up about, and you just mentioned 612 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.679 one, you just revealed one of yours. You said you don't like it 613 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:29.880 when people use the term interdimensional. Right? Is that correct? Yes? 614 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.760 Because I told you it's just if you if you break down what they're saying, 615 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:37.159 it's just like, uh, this isn't a very stronger aguerement. Well, 616 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:42.480 we don't but we just don't know, right, Remember what Steve said 617 00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:46.679 on Matt's podcast, right, that scientist Steve, We don't know anything, 618 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:52.760 he said, right, So, I mean, and there are people who 619 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.079 know. We have some experiencers who know some things. The government knows some 620 00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:59.760 things. If Jim Sammivan said it on our show, and he's an experiencer. 621 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:01.159 He goes, nobody knows it all. He goes, they don't know 622 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:04.760 it all. We don't know it all. We only know what we know, 623 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.519 right, And it could be that. And you know, I have 624 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.800 certain pet peeves as well, so I'll share one of mine. But you 625 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:22.159 get uncomfortable when people use language it's not definitive and you don't understand exactly what 626 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.360 it means, and it kind of irritates you. For me, I'll tell 627 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:34.239 you I don't I don't want to mention somebody because I don't want to cast 628 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:38.280 any aspersion. But there is someone in the community, you know, who 629 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:43.320 I regard, who I respect, but they'll kind of make assertions and I, 630 00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:49.519 you know, I don't know that there's necessarily a basis for that person's 631 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:54.440 assertions that are as strong as they are. But you know what, I 632 00:54:54.760 --> 00:55:00.280 there are things that I say that probably irritate other people. Certainty that the 633 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:05.800 tic TAC was this sort of craft that was not you know, one of 634 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.159 our adversaries or ours, that it was from some other intelligence. How do 635 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.599 you know? DJ just pisses you off. Okay, I don't know how 636 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:14.559 I know, I just believe that I know, maybe I'm I'm wrong. 637 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.360 I one hundred percent believe I'm right, but maybe I'm wrong. But that 638 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:25.960 my certainty probably irritates people. Me defending Lou and Grush probably irritates people who 639 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.719 don't trust the government. There's a lot of us people who have worked for 640 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:38.480 government that don't trust certain aspects of the government. But it's our government book. 641 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.599 No matter what, I know it, what's it? No matter what 642 00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:47.719 they say, they're gonna buy his book to you. Oh good. Imagine 643 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.360 when Grush writes a book, right, that'll take four years to get through 644 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.639 Dobster. So yeah, and Sean Khale's like, oh, it's from Sean, 645 00:55:55.719 --> 00:56:00.119 you know, the throw it across the desk, who knows. But 646 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.800 yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, we all just have 647 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:07.079 to be sensitive to one another's hang ups. And if we can do that 648 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.639 the way Julie does it, you know, we can have a conversation. 649 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:16.039 You know. Dave Scott her friend, my friend. Well he's not my 650 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:20.639 friend, but we've spoken, and I really like Dave, and I respect 651 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.480 and regard Dave Scott. He is very, very triggered by a certain person 652 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:31.639 from scu that tried to dismiss experiencers, which is ridiculous and absurd, and 653 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:37.079 that person should keep their mouth shut, like not keep their mouth shut, 654 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:43.320 but it was very irresponsible and that person should apologize to Dave Scott. At 655 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:50.400 the same time, that really has irritated Dave Scott against government people, right, 656 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:55.559 But both things are true. That experiencers are super important, and some 657 00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.320 of these government people who have who had decided to put their backs in the 658 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:05.159 line to come out is also important. The problem is that we want to 659 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.119 take one side or the other. You know, we have these biases and 660 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.840 if we can just go, you know, let's just kind of you know, 661 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.199 flow back and forth. Kind of reminds me of certain aspects of the 662 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.159 airplane I used to fly, the fuel control module and how it had bias 663 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.639 and slope and all these kinds of things to keep the fuel just where it 664 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:32.559 needed to be and the propeller just at the proper torque in rpm. So 665 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:38.239 that's the Dave works too. Yeah, Dave works a lot, no doubt. 666 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.760 He has another job, a regular job in addition to being on radio, 667 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.960 like five days a week. Hard working guy. I love the guy. 668 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:51.760 He's a bigfoot experiencer. He has been out in the woods and had 669 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.679 genuine experiences with bigfoot, he has had UFO. He's a trifecta, UFO 670 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.000 experiences and paranormal. I would just say to my friend Dave, and if 671 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.679 we get him on air, and I'm sure we will, he's told me 672 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.360 he wants to get me on their show, which I don't know why he 673 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.519 would, but if he does, I would go on. There is that, 674 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.239 you know, don't worry about one idiot who said experiences should get out 675 00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:21.519 of the way. Experiencers should never get out of the way. And he's 676 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.559 a trifecta. He's had paranormal Bigfoot in UFOs very very valuable. And also 677 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:30.239 the government people are very very very valuable. And also the airline pilots who 678 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:35.679 have never been military are seeing things are very valuable. And so is Ryan 679 00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:39.239 Graves and all of his colleagues, And so is Nicky Noel who's just standing 680 00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:45.239 outside her house and doing this with her phone, and so is Chris Bledsoe, 681 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.719 and so is Skinwalker Ranch, and so is people who have been to 682 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.280 Bradshaw Ranch, and so is Carl Vibe who's going to be coming on with 683 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:58.079 us. So you see and our researchers like Deb who have had only one 684 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:04.360 sighting, like myself. But so everybody is important and everybody plays the role. 685 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.800 Yeah, so I think of it as puzzle pieces, right, It's 686 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:15.000 all pieces of the puzzle. And if you discard a piece, and I 687 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:20.280 didn't discard quantum, I just it's a quantum physics part. And then to 688 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.400 mentions thing, I just didn't appreciate when I researched into it what they were 689 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:29.880 trying to say. But but it inspired other things because I didn't disregard it. 690 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.079 It inspired other thoughts and other possibilities and other ways of thinking about things. 691 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:40.079 So we can't disregard all of those things are important. And if you 692 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:44.360 it's sort of like I'm trying to figure out what's in this house, but 693 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.679 I'm not going to go into some of the rooms. Dev We're back to 694 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:55.679 the yet the bathroom again, we don't have to go back to the bathroom 695 00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:01.039 at the restaurant and bemo. But anyway, h No, I'm with you, 696 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.119 Deb. I mean, we all just have to have self awareness rate 697 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:09.119 of what what triggers us. Just watch the Brandon Fugal interview on Sean Ryan's 698 01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:14.119 show, he was fantastic. Man, I'm gonna tell you we're run a 699 01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.239 farm and we're already over and I expect you to be signing off by now. 700 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.880 But I've told people you could put any two of us on air and 701 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:23.880 we can do an hour just like that. I mean, it's you know, 702 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:28.199 we just need to get warmed up and here we go. So a 703 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.800 couple of things about Brandon Fugel. He is so incredibly genuine and such a 704 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:39.760 lovely human being. Our friend, uh, Tim from All Things Unexplained, 705 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.239 has just booked him. Tim and CJ. I don't think Smitty is gonna 706 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.639 be there because I think he's gonna be teaching school when they interview Brandon. 707 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:51.960 But they've just booked Brandon and they're going, hey, how's it going, 708 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:57.519 brother, And they are going to I'll read your coming a second day because 709 01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:01.119 when Dave smothers in the house, you read comments. Okay, he's from 710 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:07.719 Manchester, he'll slap you up anyway. I'm Brandon Fugel is such a lovely 711 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:12.199 person. Thank you, Jules, thank you so much. Love. I'm 712 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.239 sorry about the power issues, and thank you for doing what you do. 713 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:23.760 As always cheers. I want to have brandon On. Not because he's a 714 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:29.280 rich guy, and not because he owns Skinwalker Ranch. That is not enough 715 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.039 for me to want somebody on cabin. You know this to be true, 716 01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:35.920 Deb, But he's just such a nice person. I got to meet him, 717 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:43.239 I got Yeah, I got to meet him at the Third New York 718 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:51.239 Conference for Anomalous Inquiry, and he was very nice. The problem is Deb 719 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.320 gets to meet everybody, and what about me, Deb's I mean, where 720 01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.840 do I fit in? I met you, I've met Lou, I've met 721 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.079 Courtney, I've met like these are big people, right, you know. 722 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.880 Yeah, so I got to You know, if you guys ever get to 723 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:13.280 go to one of those New York conferences, there's a lot of incredible people 724 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:20.119 that go. The best thing about it is what Deb I think. It's 725 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.440 getting to find out what those people are really like. For me, that's 726 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:30.360 the best. But getting to also take it in an academic approach, like 727 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:36.039 we're raising the bar about these topics. You're not even gonna talk about our 728 01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.840 dinner. That was the best thing. Oh oh yeah, the dinner we 729 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:43.079 got. Oh that you know what, they don't do that I don't take 730 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.800 every time anymore now, But they did have the supper club meeting afterwards. 731 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:52.320 So all these people getting to hang out afterwards and talk about this topic without 732 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:59.039 the pressure and the family stigma and all that stuff is great. I can 733 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:04.400 guarantee you that, of Debs and I go to another one of these acquiring 734 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:09.079 anomaloust symposiums, there will be a dinner afterward. I mean just guarantee it. 735 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:13.800 So just be ready. Okay, let me read Dave Smothers because you 736 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:19.440 have to. Okay, I think the issue DJ's people should I do it 737 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:24.000 in his accent? I think the issue DJs people speak simplistic about the government 738 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:29.599 and if it's one thing. As if it's one thing, I think you 739 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:36.480 can criticize the government wrongdoers without criticizing the whole government as a whole. I'm 740 01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:38.159 sorry, Dave, that was a terrible impression. I really need to work 741 01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:43.679 on it because I've always felt like you sound a lot more like a member 742 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:49.159 of the Beatles from Liverpool. So I apologize for such a poor dissertation. 743 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.920 Yeah, you're right, the government is multifaceted. There. First of all, 744 01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:59.519 there are many, many, many amazing patriots. I couldn't be more 745 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:06.079 proud of any job that I've ever had as I was working with working for 746 01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:12.760 government, whether I was in the uniform or out of the uniform. And 747 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.880 there's also like society, there's some people there that aren't so good, but 748 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:20.719 the overwhelming majority of them are good. And yeah, you know, you've 749 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:25.440 got to criticize, like he says, the government wrongdoers, and there are 750 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:31.440 some of those that that, unfortunately are are complicit. It's easy for me 751 01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:38.960 to say because we don't know what kind of threat maybe went against mister Kirkpatrick. 752 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:45.480 I don't know, but you know, we can criticize him without being, 753 01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:51.519 you know, trying to deep six the entire human being that is him. 754 01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:57.400 You know, maybe something was said to him that made him think, 755 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.679 oh my god. Daniel Lee Barnett in here. Okay, so daniel the 756 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:05.519 gentleman right above you, David Smithers. I don't actually I don't know if 757 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:10.159 he's going to be on the roundtable with you. But that is David Smitherst 758 01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:15.880 of Manchester. And Daniel Lee Barnett is from I don't know, are you 759 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.679 from Somerset? I can't remember where you're from. Anyway, Hey, now 760 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.280 things going mate, that's the book. I haven't read your book yet. 761 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.840 If Daniel, I got to talk to you and talk to you about what's 762 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.440 going on in my life and my problems, and next time we talk, 763 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.280 I got to tell you about what's going on. You know. I can 764 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:41.280 I comment on something about what David is saying. I've recently watched a documentary 765 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:49.920 series about a reporter who dies, and he dies in a way that is 766 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:59.599 questionable because and he had uncovered this whole group of people that we're trying to 767 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:09.239 off it off of Native American off a Native American reservation, and the reason 768 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.320 they were on the reservation was because they were outside of some of the laws. 769 01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.920 And it turned out a lot of these people were former government employees. 770 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:23.239 Now people talk about like the shadow government and stuff, but no one talks 771 01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:28.239 about the fact that people who are still connected and still know how to do 772 01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:36.800 an op sometimes leave the government right and they are not all still in the 773 01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:42.079 government just because they have friends that are in the government. They still have 774 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.519 all the connections, but they may not have the moral compass. In fact, 775 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.679 that's one of the reasons that was implied. Those people had to leave, 776 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:55.760 but they still had all those skills. So there's not just government to 777 01:06:55.880 --> 01:07:00.360 be afraid of. But people who have those connections and those skill us, 778 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.440 right, Not that I'm trying to scare anyone, right. Oh yeah, 779 01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:10.320 and it's mentioned here in the chat. Maruna mentions it American conspiracy, the 780 01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:14.920 Octopus murders. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I don't know. 781 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.480 I can't really. I watched most of it, not all of it. 782 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.920 I think I was too busy on the computer didn't pay enough attention to it. 783 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.719 But I'm sure there's something there, but I don't know what's there. 784 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:31.079 I'd really need to pay close attention and really dissect it. So I don't 785 01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:35.320 want to offer an opinion of it. But I think my point though, 786 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.760 it is just like when people talked about the shadow government. I was like, 787 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.960 h sounds like a conspiracy theory. Then I've watched that and I'm like, 788 01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:48.000 I didn't think about this. You really could just create a whole network 789 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:54.480 because you already have the contacts, You already have friends in government with power 790 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:59.440 and tools, et cetera. And like, it is a scary possibility, 791 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.079 right, This could be how a subject that you know is out of government 792 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:12.639 hands, but it's still connected to the government. Could this right? So? 793 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:14.760 Well, I don't know, I just wanted to throw that out there. 794 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.479 I think that the programs, the UFO programs could be something like that. 795 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:24.680 Right, act is existing outside of laws, so I can't can't rule 796 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:29.119 it out. I can't rule it out it yeah, because these are operating 797 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:34.399 on budgets. There. It's not accounted for in our national defense budget and 798 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.000 so forth. It's not included in the POM. Because when it is in 799 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:44.680 the POM, which is the Program of Memorandum where basically real real quickly, 800 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:50.479 what happens is that every entity, like let's say Air Combat Command that has 801 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:57.520 all the fighter planes in the in the Air Forces inventory, they will put 802 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:03.479 forth their desires and their require vironments to the Air Force to see, we 803 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:09.039 need all these programs funded. Then AFSOC will put them forward in Global Strike 804 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:15.840 Command and I'm trying to think of the other Air Force Material Command. So 805 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.479 everybody will put forth this is what we want out of this year's national defense 806 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:23.399 budget, and the Air Force will make a cut line. And if you're 807 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:27.439 below that cut line, it means your program went unfunded, okay, And 808 01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:30.039 that goes up through the Air Force, and it goes up through the DoD 809 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:36.399 and they prioritize all these different in the palm what we're actually going to fund. 810 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:42.119 The problem is that these UFO programs appear to be and according to Grush, 811 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.079 they are there. They're being funded, but our lawmakers don't know that 812 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:48.319 they're being funded, and that's what pisses them off so badly. Yeah, 813 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.359 I know that they're a little mad about what's going on with the money, 814 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:56.920 right, Like, even if UFO's aside, again, what is going on 815 01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.760 with all this money? Like why is someone charging one hundred dollars for a 816 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.680 pickle? You know, like it's almost like hospital billing. Something sketchy is 817 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:10.399 definitely happening with the money, no question. Well, what's happening is they're 818 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:16.760 calling it something else that the lawmakers believe that they are funding. I'm not 819 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:20.159 even going to put a name to it, but we'll just call it program 820 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:26.000 X. But then underneath it, what they're really funding is program X Y, 821 01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.319 And the problem is that the lawmaker needs to know what is comprised of 822 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:36.119 Program X that they're funding, and they just don't know about the tangent the 823 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:41.239 program why that's underneath there. They're just being told to fund this program. 824 01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:45.760 So that's that's what the problem is. Yeah, Yeah, I think the 825 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:50.279 CIA still doesn't have to report their funding if I'm correct. I don't know 826 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:55.600 if that's changed, but I think they may be outside of having to report 827 01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.239 at all. Well, you have now you have the Gang of Eight that 828 01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:05.800 are read in. These people have TSSCI clearances and they are so nobody doesn't 829 01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:11.319 have to report. So I'll say that that's that's false. They have to 830 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:14.680 know where that money is going to. There are a lot of things that 831 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.720 are existing and being funded under those programs. You're not going to go down 832 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.159 to the granular level. You know, you're funding a program. Now, 833 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:26.479 how the CIA chooses to use their money. Now, there's certain things that 834 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.520 procurement money has to be used for procurement. You can't use that for operation 835 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:34.439 and maintenance. I was told when I worked in government, and if it's 836 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:38.079 funding for operation and maintenance, you can't say, oh, I want to 837 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:43.119 turn around and buy a new armored vehicle with that, because that's no, 838 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.239 that's procurement money. So I was told that if you do that, you 839 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:50.119 can end up in an orange jumpsuit. But the problem is is that under 840 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:57.279 operation and maintenance there may be programs that are and it appears there are programs 841 01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.880 that are using it for something other than what it was intended for. To 842 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.960 To make a long story really short, but by and large, you have 843 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:10.159 to understand that just like people that you know, that's all the government has 844 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:13.000 made up from this people, just like your neighbor, your mom, your 845 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.119 dad, your friend. You may think these people are different than you, 846 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:19.319 by and large, they're just normal Americans, just like the rest of us, 847 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:28.920 and that they are. There are overwhelmingly great people that I was honored 848 01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:31.920 to serve with, and obviously in any organization, there are going to be 849 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.680 some bad apples. The other thing I want to say about the notion of 850 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:48.159 contractors having craft is this. If you give a craft to a contractor, 851 01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:53.680 and when I say give mean you sign it over to them. Then they 852 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:58.840 own that craft. You no longer have interest in that craft and whatever they're 853 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:02.520 able to derive from that craft. The way that you take advantage of it 854 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.520 is when you put them under contract to work on that craft, and now 855 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:11.239 you can decide what happened. They don't even need to report to you what 856 01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:15.239 they find out about that craft. But when you put it under contract, 857 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:20.840 then you can demand and make certain demands based on giving a contractor money to 858 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:26.199 look at a craft and evaluate it and analyze it and back engineer it once 859 01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.840 you divorce yourself from it. If you just gave it to them, now 860 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.720 by law, you have no interest in it and you can't ask them, 861 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.399 Hey, why don't you tell us what you figured out or give us that 862 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:41.560 technology that you figured out. So just keep that in the back of your 863 01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:45.000 mind. Yeah, and last question, I want to point out that in 864 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:50.800 that case, if it's in a contract or you know it's in private hands, 865 01:13:50.920 --> 01:14:00.279 it's not foilable. Great, but yeah, it's not foible because it's 866 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.920 classified. Let's say that it's not in Let's say that it's not in contract 867 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:09.319 or hands. Let's say it's sitting at Area fifty one. Just like Bob 868 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:13.159 Lazar said, you think you can foya about that, I don't. I 869 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:15.840 know there's another reason. Of course, obviously national security is the big one. 870 01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:23.159 But I'm saying if you put it in private companies, like there's stuff 871 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:29.760 that is considered untouchable, they don't have to share anything. Let me let 872 01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:34.000 me rephrase it. I have a top secret program that I'm running. Let's 873 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:39.079 just set up a fake scenario. I'm running a top secret program in the 874 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:46.159 government and you decide to foya to because someone who was under my employ told 875 01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:51.600 people that we have this program. Can you foya Did they have to tell 876 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:56.600 you what that program is? That top secret program? No? I know 877 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.800 they don't. I know they have. Yeah, but thing that it would 878 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:03.920 protect it even further. It's it just not doesn't need to be further. 879 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.479 If you can't foi it, it is protected. So if you wanted to 880 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:13.239 foi it what the tactical plan was for the Bin Laden raid and you want 881 01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:15.760 to see those plan I'd like to see, you know, I want to 882 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:20.119 see what their layout was and what they used that that the Seal Team six 883 01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:24.880 used to go make an ingress, and what their entire plan was for that 884 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:30.239 mission. Can you foy it? No, but you can't because they're going 885 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:32.640 to say, no, it's top secret and we're not going to show you 886 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:36.600 because then if we diave it to you, then that means the enemy could 887 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:41.800 could see how we go and we attack a target. Do you see how 888 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.359 you It doesn't matter if who's whose hands it's in, it's the classification. 889 01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.840 I have to say, though, I just have to point out that it 890 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:56.319 seems to me that there's some of this being taken to universities because the government 891 01:15:56.439 --> 01:16:03.039 works with the universities, and one of it's almost like in plain sight literally 892 01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:09.720 some of the technology that we're talking about with UAPs, universities are working on 893 01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:16.039 and it's just like right there in front, like the meta materials with terror 894 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:23.840 hurts. That's how different. That's different then back and having a working as 895 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:27.760 something like an entire craft. I've said all along pieces of metal they're probably 896 01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.600 senting all over the place. Let them go ahead and look at that piece 897 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:32.920 of metal and see if they can figure out the components. And when that 898 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:36.600 could you know, didn't What did Gary Nolan say about that piece that the 899 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:42.800 technology did not exist to put those two pieces of metal together in the way 900 01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:46.960 at the molecular or atomic level that when it was found in the nineties. 901 01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:51.479 I know, I was just thinking how clever that is. Though, if 902 01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:58.840 you have universities working on these projects, then that's pretty public. So later 903 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:03.359 on down the road like well whatever, the Zuoke University is already working on 904 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:08.319 meta materials, what are you saying it's not a big deal, or you 905 01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:15.000 know, DARPA was working on you know, interfacing with technology with our brain 906 01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:17.479 waves a long time ago, which they were by the way, so like 907 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:21.760 it's it was public. Like so anything that people are like, oh this 908 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:25.800 is amazing, this is nhi, they can be like, oh, that's 909 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:30.159 in the public because they put it there. You know, absolutely, I 910 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:35.760 mean absolutely, I can't. I don't know what all their tactics are or 911 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:40.800 what they're you know, what their procedures are. I yes, I mean 912 01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:45.680 that absolutely possible. All I'm telling people is that people have long been saying 913 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:50.239 the reason they're putting these materials into private companies to make it not foiable. 914 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:55.560 And I'm saying it's not foiable now no matter whose hands it's in. It's 915 01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:02.520 the classification that's the issue. It's not it's not the whether or not it's 916 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.359 foidable. You could foil about many things that you're not going to get an 917 01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:11.720 answer to because it's classified. If if you could just foil anything that was 918 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:18.000 classified, then that means nothing's classified, right, absolutely, Yeah, there's 919 01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:23.159 definitely common sense. Does that mean yeah, I mean yeah, it's just 920 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:28.399 it's limitations out the wazoo. I'm just trying to I guess I'm just trying 921 01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:31.840 to put my analyst hat on and trying to figure out what was going on 922 01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:38.159 as usual. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm just trying to I'm trying to put 923 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:43.199 it in a way that everyone out there that hasn't hasn't you know, been 924 01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:47.840 in government, can understand that things are classified up to a level. It 925 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:53.520 doesn't matter. You could just like what we know about Dan Sherman, you 926 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:57.600 could foya about that. Do you think they're gonna tell us, oh, 927 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:01.239 yeah, here's that program that he worked on. They're not going to tell 928 01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:04.920 us that that's It doesn't matter who's whose hands it was in, or what 929 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:10.840 contractors were used, or et cetera. It doesn't matter. But it's a 930 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:14.680 very popular narrative though. So let's let's see what Dave has to say. 931 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:16.760 Because Dave's gonna make it so that I can't get out of here. I 932 01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:19.720 plan on being here an hour. Dave's gonna have me here till nine thirty. 933 01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:24.159 I think the night in the nineteen six, I might need my glasses. 934 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.920 In nineteen's agency like the CEA use a network of ex operatives and criminal 935 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:35.039 networks. There goes. It's fundamentally corrupt and crossing the rubicon always does Dave 936 01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:39.560 like, Yeah, I mean, I I don't know their modus operandi. 937 01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:46.319 I'm sure that there are contractors and ex operatives that have worked under contract to 938 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:50.800 them. I wouldn't doubt it, and wouldn't try to make an argument against 939 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:56.520 it. There is a name for self funded? Is there a name for 940 01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:02.600 self funded programs? I don't know what you mean by self funded. There 941 01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:09.640 was discussion in the chat about you know these the shadow government concept, right, 942 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:14.199 the people who still have all those connections, still have all that power, 943 01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:17.760 but they want to fund themselves and so they can continue to do their 944 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:23.079 operations. They might even be hired by the government occasionally to do an operation, 945 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.119 but they're funding, possibly through criminal means. And then Dave's got another 946 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.319 tidbit in here about how they could be. Yes, I agree with I 947 01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:39.640 agree with what Dave said there. That's what not only what I mean. 948 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:44.159 That's not something that I know independently. I know because I've heard it from 949 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:48.359 people like Dave Brush or or lou So that yes. Because I am not 950 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:54.000 personally aware of stuff like that, but that's what they say. So I 951 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:58.720 just know I've said to you guys before I knew the name David Grush, 952 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:02.720 I've said to you guys there would have to be certain programs like that, 953 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:08.439 and they would have to be operating outside the oversight of member. We talked 954 01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:11.600 about the National Command Authority, the second deft to Joint chiefs, et cetera, 955 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:15.359 et cetera, plausible deniability and all that business. So yeah, all 956 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:20.800 right to get here, by the way, I know of at least three 957 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:30.439 ways now that someone can work outside of the law and do these projects in 958 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:34.439 these gangs. Did well, I've someone tipped me off to another one. 959 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:38.479 I'm not even thinking I should tell you guys all the podcasts, but there 960 01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:44.560 are at least the International Waters being one of them. Right. I don't 961 01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:48.199 want to get in trouble anymore than programs are allegedly funded from World War two, 962 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:53.239 gold from Japan and drug traffic. That's hard to know the truth, 963 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:58.000 Yes, I mean yeah, I mean I didn't want to get into like 964 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:05.359 a a government. Why discuss around Contra definitely was an example. Yeah, 965 01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:10.640 I think Oliver North and I don't know all the I don't remember all the 966 01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:14.960 players. That was around eighty seven. I think when that trial happened, 967 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:19.079 Oh my goodness. Yeah, I don't want to get into the entire show 968 01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:25.720 about shadow government and stuff, but just try to provide some insight. Like 969 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:30.439 I said, like any organization, there's a few bad apples, but there's 970 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:36.279 some amazing people there, and their results show when you look at how few 971 01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:44.439 attacks we've had from overseas on foreign soil, the fact that no one's ever 972 01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:49.520 flown a successful air mission over the forty eight States, so forth. So 973 01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:54.800 some might say that balloon was but obviously they deemed that not a threat or 974 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:59.239 they would have taken it out. You know, they were probably trying to 975 01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:06.000 avoid avoid areas of population when they took it down. I would imagine anyway, 976 01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.840 Again I don't I've said before, I don't know what their thought process 977 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.920 or what decision matrix they went through. So I'm not going to second guess 978 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:19.319 them because I don't. And you kind of sound like a Monday morning quarterback 979 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:24.319 when you do that, And I just don't know what There were probably many 980 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:30.600 things that the Joint Chiefs and the sec deaf were telling the President and they 981 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:32.000 made the decision to do it when they did it where they did it, 982 01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:34.840 and I don't know what those factors were, So I would just be like, 983 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:38.920 you know, just like running my mouth if I were to try to 984 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:43.199 criticize them. They did it when and where they thought it was best for 985 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:47.079 whatever reasons that they had and information they had. This reminds me of my 986 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:54.039 Game of Thrones was so successful. People are just intrigued by the intrigue, 987 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:59.760 you know, Like that's why this conversation keeps happening. We're just fascinated by 988 01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:03.640 the world and it's a mystery in and of itself. Now, I can 989 01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:10.039 tell you I've been a person that has gone to the Pentagon, and I've 990 01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:15.399 been a person around government people before. It is not that exciting. So 991 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.840 but but there's like a lot of unknowns, and when people don't know something, 992 01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:24.079 it's intriguing. And that's why we keep having these conversations about it. 993 01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:29.000 And also, you know, people are always trying to love this stuff at 994 01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:33.159 a conspiracy, but some of the truths are more outlandish and bizarre than the 995 01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:40.640 conspiracies. Yeah, there are things that I did not think were true, 996 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:44.760 wouldn't have thought was true, And when Grush said it, I was. 997 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:46.880 There are things that I had to take back. Basically, I had that 998 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:51.479 discussion with Nathan about the whole agreements thing that there may have been agreements made 999 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:56.279 in the Human Intelligence and I'm like, that's yes, I don't believe that. 1000 01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:00.359 I don't believe such and such president would do that. And then David 1001 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.720 Grush came out and said it to Ross Coultark. So that's where I was 1002 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:11.199 wrong. And it's very important out there, all of us to come out 1003 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:15.000 and say if you're right about something, by all means say well, I 1004 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:17.439 hit that one right, got that one right. Also come out and say 1005 01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:20.800 when you were wrong, because if you don't, you're going to be like 1006 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:25.760 some of these debunker guys where they're proven wrong and they just want to go 1007 01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:30.119 on and I just keep telling the same story because it's like branding. I'm 1008 01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:34.720 human, I'm fallible. I'm right sometimes and I'm wrong sometimes. And if 1009 01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:38.640 you come out and say that when you're right and you're wrong, then people 1010 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.399 will trust you. If you only tell people when you are right, they'll 1011 01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.960 know you're full of it, that's the bottom line, because they'll know that 1012 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.239 that's the only time they're going to hear from you is when you hit it 1013 01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:56.279 right. Sometimes we're wrong. You know more often that there could be interdimensional 1014 01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:02.159 beings. I guess, deb I don't know. I mean, it's a 1015 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:06.199 possibility, right, We're open to the possibility. Okay, you know, 1016 01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:10.840 I don't want to sound like these the flesh and blood big foot. No, 1017 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:15.000 there's nothing other abilities that they have. The tone is just, you 1018 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:18.880 know what, flesh and blood breathing creature may have some glowing eyes for all 1019 01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:23.039 I know, or be able to project its mind. Who knows. They 1020 01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:27.600 may have abilities that we just haven't figured out yet. It appears that they 1021 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:30.000 do. I'm open to it, but damn, it's a flesh and blood 1022 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:33.520 creature. What other abilities does it have? Might have several for all we 1023 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:39.520 know, you know, other abilities that we just can't explain. And there 1024 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:45.680 are humans that have abilities that we also can't explain. There are extraordinary people 1025 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:49.159 among us. They're probably extraordinary bigfoot among big feet or big foots, I 1026 01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:56.159 should say deb parting shots my friend Yah. I wanted to say thank you 1027 01:26:56.319 --> 01:27:00.439 to all the people in the chat for coming and throwing down some info. 1028 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.319 And of course, you know, it's like a It is like a reunion, 1029 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:09.239 like Julie said in the beginning, right, because the last time it 1030 01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:13.760 was just you and me was when I did my first episode for Doub's Data 1031 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:19.520 Dojo a long time ago. Oh I don't know that that was the last 1032 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:24.159 time it was just you and me. I think so, because we know, 1033 01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:28.560 I think we've just had other people ever since then. So, yeah, 1034 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:32.600 this is kind of like a reunion for that, yeb it's a pleasure. 1035 01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:38.239 Here in July, we're going on let's see where. So it's April 1036 01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:44.039 May June, so we're four months away from our three annivers third year anniversary 1037 01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:47.720 of CAB. We don't got us on ourselves on a network. We're gonna 1038 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:53.039 be on Untold Radio network as of May ninth. We are joining Doug Hichek 1039 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:57.199 and all of his other shows, Thank You, thank You, and non 1040 01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:00.640 et. It's always a pleasure to have you, Dave Smothers staying up late. 1041 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:06.279 Hopefully his wife doesn't hear him typing, but yeah, he says. 1042 01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:11.840 The truth is the two narratives DoD Arrow versus Crush Alizondo both can't be right. 1043 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:17.279 We're at the point where before the truth we are at the point before 1044 01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:23.760 the truth wave collapses. Okay, I know which part of it. I'm 1045 01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:27.760 gonna go ahead and go surf on the wave with the people who care about 1046 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:31.359 making sure pilots are all out to report. Yeah, you know you know 1047 01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.800 the dd came out with with DoD wide guidance. You saw that, right, 1048 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:41.520 Yeah, and when we talked about it was pretty pretty soon after all 1049 01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:45.880 this hit the fan that you informs me that the Air Force had a formal 1050 01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:49.039 report coming. But it's just still ridiculous that they had to go through all 1051 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:54.800 that to make that happen. Yeah, but we haven't had to my knowledge, 1052 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:59.800 we haven't had a DoD It was just released what two three weeks ago, 1053 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:04.079 we had a DoD wide procedure. So it doesn't matter whether your Army, 1054 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:09.399 Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps. You will report on this standard 1055 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.640 form. Yes, arrow is included on who you will give it to. 1056 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:17.840 Unfortunately, but that's at least we have a standard form that's more of an 1057 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:26.960 acknowledgment to people that something exists that that pilots can't explain, and that should 1058 01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.760 give you pause. I won't say it should excite you, but anyway, 1059 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:35.279 debs, all right, we can't do cabby goodbyes because we're all cabbys, 1060 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:42.439 but we can wave to each other, wave goodbye to each other right now. 1061 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:46.600 Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Julie. I 1062 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.239 hope the power came back. Thank you, Dave, we're run a farm 1063 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:56.359 at least UFO reports only good at least UF four. It's only go to 1064 01:29:56.399 --> 01:30:00.359 Bigelo. Yeah that was what Yeah, you too used to Yeah that was 1065 01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:05.560 like I don't know was that Uh was that through moufan if you reported? 1066 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:11.439 Now that was that was through the FA. Thank you? I forgot about 1067 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.800 that right. Yeah, I'll tell you. We're on the farms all over 1068 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:17.279 it. Man, Thank you, Dave, Thank you everybody who stopped in. 1069 01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:23.720 If you would please hit the like button, hit the oh, Bob 1070 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:29.279 Marley Iriman. I'm on UFOs. I'm on the UFOs, A real team, 1071 01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:32.319 a lot of money involved. Let's find some evidence, man, I'm 1072 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:38.640 with you. There's plenty of evidence out there, more than enough evidence too, 1073 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:43.760 if we were using the criminal I've used this in Bigfoot a lot. 1074 01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:48.520 But if the standard of evidence were beyond a reasonable doubt, we would have 1075 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:59.520 enough witnesses and enough footage exists out there now that you could secure a criminal 1076 01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:03.520 conviction and beyond a reasonable doubt. Just like when you combine Bigfoot with expert 1077 01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:10.720 testimony from the late John Binderenagele or Jeff Meldrum his three hundred foot casts, 1078 01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:18.159 the Patterson Gimlin film and a dozen or so experiencers and some DNA results. 1079 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:23.399 You could get a criminal conviction that Bigfoot is real. You could do the 1080 01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:30.800 same with UFOs, so a lot of people. Every person has a different 1081 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:39.439 standard of evidence that they're looking for. To someone who has a great deal 1082 01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:44.039 of fear about this being real, you are not going to be able to 1083 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:48.119 meet that standard. I sparred with a guy who said, Christopher Melan, 1084 01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:53.079 he hasn't given us nothing. Man, call us back when you got something. 1085 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:56.640 I was like, dude, you wouldn't know evidence if it's slapped you 1086 01:31:56.640 --> 01:32:00.560 in the face. He's like, try me, I have I have a 1087 01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:05.119 good example of this. And I said to the guy, well, I 1088 01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:10.640 gave him all that evidence that I gave you, you know, and it's 1089 01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:14.680 still not enough. So you want to go up and touch the craft and 1090 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:20.680 then see it fly. That's not happening, not in this lifetime. It's 1091 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:25.800 the evidence is what it means to you. If you're scared of this and 1092 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:29.159 you think this is not a real thing, there ain't no evidence that you're 1093 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:34.239 going to get that that is going to suffice for you that that evidence doesn't 1094 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:38.439 exist. It doesn't exist. But you're never going to get to it. 1095 01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.960 So anyway, go ahead, man, I was going to say that this 1096 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:45.680 I have this example, and this raps us to the beginning of the show. 1097 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:51.119 Remember we talked about unfortunately we lost my bridge and I'm very sad. 1098 01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:59.640 I told someone about it. They didn't believe me. One thought I was 1099 01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:03.359 not telling the truth. I showed them the video and they immediately said, 1100 01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:09.880 that's fake. That is not true. That is a fake video. That 1101 01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:14.039 is cg It was not, by the way, I can assure you the 1102 01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:18.439 bridge is gone. But the point being amazing example you just made. I'm 1103 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:21.640 sorry, yeah, amazing. I just I think that's the point though, 1104 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:25.960 that if you don't want to believe it, you're not gonna believe it, 1105 01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:30.840 and you're gonna just jump to whatever is gonna make you feel better. But 1106 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:35.800 I have to just point out that again. And you know, there there's 1107 01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:42.640 been heavy coverage of this. The people who say they don't believe they profit 1108 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:46.600 from that lack that stance, that lack of belief, that point of view. 1109 01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:53.840 They profit from it too. They have conferences, they have articles about 1110 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:59.680 their skepticism, they have alliances, they have gorilla warfare apparently because of the 1111 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:04.359 skeptics. They're controlling Wikipedia, they make books, they write books, you 1112 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:08.239 know, I just want to point out they profit from that stance. To 1113 01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:14.359 you, one hundred percent, one hundred percent DIBs, you're right. So 1114 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:17.720 people just need to know and understand that. And I'm not saying believe us 1115 01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:23.199 you your standard of evidence is, whatever your standard of evidence is. I'm 1116 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:28.079 just saying this is not fake. All these things are not happening, and 1117 01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:31.720 all this legislation and all these pilots and everything in all this is not happening 1118 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:36.079 because there's nothing there. It's happening because there's something there that we don't understand 1119 01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:41.359 and we don't know what it is that may scare you, you know, 1120 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:45.960 like jumping off a bridge would would scare me with a bungee tied to my 1121 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:51.960 back. But that's it's just the way it is. It's uh. Hopefully 1122 01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.600 we can all just put our heads together and try to figure out little bits 1123 01:34:56.640 --> 01:34:59.640 and pieces. That's why it is to stitch all the way back. It's 1124 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:05.079 so important to talk to these experiencers because they they hold the key. They 1125 01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:13.119 are the ones that have experiences, have spoken to something, have seen more 1126 01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:17.399 than what we've seen, and whatever little keys that we can get to them, 1127 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:23.000 that they remember that, that's good for us. So deb our hour 1128 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:26.680 long show went pretty well. What do you think? Yeah, we had 1129 01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:30.000 a lot to cover. I don't even think I hit all the news points. 1130 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:33.560 But I'm sure you know, something more interesting will happy happening than you 1131 01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:38.680 know, the Three Body Problem coming out on Netflix soon hopefully, because I'm 1132 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:43.000 waiting for those hearings. Man, it was great speaking with you. We 1133 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:46.600 have had phone conversations that have been an hour long. I remember back in 1134 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:50.159 the early days of CAB I'd go for walk the dogs over by the golf 1135 01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:56.960 course and we would talk for an hour easily. Yeah about stuff. I 1136 01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:02.840 love talking to you, and that's why it's great being on here and going 1137 01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:06.520 on our third year. And man, we got a prospect debs be like, 1138 01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:13.399 hey, prospect, give me a beer. All right. Thank you 1139 01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:17.199 to Courtney. I hope you've had safe travels, court wherever you're driving tonight. 1140 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:23.119 I'm sorry we missed you. Carolina Gotia, thank you for jumping in 1141 01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:29.640 and asking a few questiones. And next next time we do way y'ah off 1142 01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:33.279 the meter. You're invited and come and stay for the whole show. Dave 1143 01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:36.960 is still rolling. Man, he wat's the kid going, Dave. We 1144 01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:42.359 got to stop the show man. I gotta go shower. I did my 1145 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:45.439 job all day long, got up from my desk, ran Todd hot yoga, 1146 01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:49.399 came home, put some over salted chicken in my mouth, and then 1147 01:36:49.760 --> 01:36:57.119 jumped on air. But that's how much I love talking about the phenomenon interacting 1148 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.399 with you guys. I got to interact with EBS tonight and have one of 1149 01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:05.079 our old school convos. Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you Debs. 1150 01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:11.439 Okay, and thank you. I appreciate you, buddy, Thank you, 1151 01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:14.520 Dave Smith. Ast Oh, here it is. We'll put that little 1152 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:20.399 ticker at the bottom. Cab is a money Nathan production. Okay, please 1153 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:26.279 give us a like and a subscribe, and I will try to find the 1154 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:31.119 video to close the show for Nathan who is vacationing, for Courtney who's on 1155 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:36.359 the road, our prospect for Debs, our legend, our legend, and 1156 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:43.560 our research extra Den. This is DJ saying peace out, one love, 1157 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:47.920 We'll see you down the road. We're always wondering what's up around the Bend 1158 01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:49.840 because we don't know. Okay,