Tonight's guest is Dave Wigert. Dave, welcome to the show. Thank you,
Vick, thank you for having me on. Well, thanks so much
for coming on. We appreciate your time. Dave, please give us a
brief bio on yourself. Yes, my name is Dave Wigert. And as
far as my work back around, I worked for Baltimore County Fire and Police
and I did a lot of private security as well private secrety. I can
only imagine the stories you have to share. Yeah, there's a lot,
oh all bad, I'm sure there are, Dave. The first time we
spoke, you told me the dog men are constantly on your mind. To
what extent it's daily, He went, I wake up in the morning after
getting myself started, it just pops in my head. It hasn't gone away
since the two encounters. So I would say, yeah, on a daily
basis, it's like, you know, just pops in and out of my
mind. And I could be sitting there watching TV and it could just pop
up in my mind, and I'll sit there and I'll just I'll go through
it, and that my mind will dripped off to thinking about something else.
Well, that doesn't make any different from most eyewitnesses. I mean, most
of them think about their encounters on a daily basis, But that really doesn't
come as a surprise when you have such a profound experience. That's only natural
and it's expected. In August of twenty twenty, you and your wife moved.
Where'd you go and why'd you move? Well, we moved from a
Baltimore, Maryland. My wife had a massive heart attack, and after she
spent fifty two days in the hospital, we went back and stayed at our
house for a while, and then my son said, I think it's time
that you move up here where I'm at. And he lived in Dublin,
PA. So he said, it would be better for you to move up
here. I can take care of you guys, and you can spend word
time with your grandchildren. So we moved up to Dublin, PA with my
son. How's your wife now? She's doing a lot better. She still
has illnesses such as dementia and she's dealing with that, but as far as
her heart, that's been doing pretty good. Well, it goes without saying
I'm so glad to hear her heart's doing better, but I'm so sorry to
hear about the dementia. Yeah, it's it's really rough. Oh, I'm
sure it is. Yeah, that can't be easy. Both of your encounters
happened at the CAP and you and your wife moved into How hospitable would you
say the area around it is for dog men. Well, there's a lot
of farm area around, there's a lot of woods. I'm in like a
circle, so I would say there's woods all the way around me, all
the way around, and there's a lot of wildlife. There's barre, there's
deer, there's a fox, coyotes, all that stuff. So you know,
from time to time you might see it a skunk, a raccoon,
a fox or something like that on the property. So, like I said,
there's a lot of woods, so there's a lot of places for wildlife
to live in. Sounds like a great place to live. I don't blame
you from moving there. Both of the dog men you've encountered could have harmed
you but didn't. Does that make you think the threat that they pose on
average is over rated or do you think most of them do pose a real
threat. I know nothing about dog man you know, I've read a lot
of reports of some people that were attacked and most of them not, So
it's hard to say what dog Man would do. And I can tell you
there's so many things that went through my mind about, you know, after
the situation, about what could have possibly happened but didn't. And I'm so
grateful for that. Oh, I'm sure you are. I don't blame you.
Your second encounter frightened you so much you're froze and understandably so. Have
you had any other experiences that frightened you as much as it did? No?
No, the second encounter when I experienced that, my legs blocked up.
First, I had cramps in my calves, and then the rest of
my body just tightened up. And that was it. I could I couldn't
even really talk. Oh, I'm sure he couldn't. Yeah, that must
have been awfully frightening. Your son was with you when you had the first
one, though, What kind of an effect did it have on him?
Well? To this day he still gets irritable when I bring it up.
When I mentioned it to him, he just plane out tells me I don't
want to talk about it, Forget it, forget about it. He's in
denial. Man? Does he avoid going into the woods now? I don't
think he going into the woods, since then he's not a hunter. He
doesn't like the walk trails or anything like that or go hiking, so he
really doesn't have a reason to go into the woods. But he's talking about
moving now to a house he wants to buy that has farm land and woods,
and I'm gonna try to touch bases with him on that, But I
don't know how that's gonna go. Hard to say that's going to pan out.
How about you have your encounters removed in the love that you have for
being out in the woods, or do you still like spending time out there.
I'm okay with it. I've always told people I'm a man, and
I fear no man. I fear nothing. I put my pants on the
same way as another man. But when it comes to something like dog man
or something like that, it's hard to say until the time. If you
encounter something like that like I did, you can say, oh, I
wouldn't be scared of it, but I was terrified. I wasn't scared.
I was terrified. That's a good point. It's all too easy to have
this idea of how you'd handle a dog meet encounter if you had one but
everyone has a plan until we have a dog meant encounter. You shared your
encounters with one of your neighbors. From what I understand, how do you
respond? I'm gonna say I was laughed at a little bit, you know,
because he had mentioned to me, He's like, what are you smoking.
I'm like, I'm not smoking anything. I don't smoke. He says,
the only thing I see around here is wildlife. That's it. And
he said that's not very often, just from time to time. It's too
bad to respond to that way. But because I'm sure you know most people,
when you're approaching with an experience like that, that's what you're going to
get. So it's a shame, but that's how it normally goes. If
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my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. All right, Dave,
please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that
comes to mind, okay, and it all gets So two twenty, my
son and I had a conversation about moving up to the PA area. So
my wife and I we gathered our stuff and we moved to the PA area
and we went to live with our son and his family for about two weeks.
And then we started looking around and I came across the cabin and I
went and looked at it and I told my son, I said, I
like it, and I think it would be good for us. It would
work out fine. So we got the cabin, got the key used to
it. On August seventh of twenty twenty, my son came to me and
said, look, I'm not ready to kick you out yet, he said,
but let's start moving some things into the gabin so that we can start
getting it ready for you. And then we'll go shopping. Then we'll get
some wor stuff, and then we'll take that over to the gabin. So
when August seventh, it was around evening time on most nighttime. When we
arrived, we pulled into the driveway, it was dark out and I noticed
something. I said to my son and I said, man, it's truly
dark out here. I said. The only light we have is coming from
up the street across the street from a house next to a farm, and
the little bit of moonlight. He says, yeah, he says, you
might want to get some more light. I said yeah. So we get
out of the vehicle and we go in and we unlocked the kebin and we
come back to the suv or at the rear of it, and pulled the
dolly out and set it on the ground, and we both reached back inside
to get boxes. And as we were coming around from out of the back
of the suv, we sat the boxes down on the ground at the same
time, and then our head came up and what I had saw was a
black looking creature dog crawling on all fours like the military does when they're going
underneath the wires or whatever they have to crawl under. And we look at
each other and he goes, what And we turned back to look at it,
and it was spinning around. As it spun around, it took off
and all we saw was it run for a couple of feet and then it
just gone into the nighttime, because like I said, it was very very
dark out there. So we got the boxes, we got him into the
cabin, He had mentioned before we got there that he wanted to do a
total of three loads. So we got the first load into the cabin,
and as we're driving back to his house, I started talking about what we
had saw and he was like, do me a favorite when we get to
the house. Don't see nothing around the kids, and don't see nothing around
my girlfriend. I said okay. I said, well, what do you
think you saw? He said, just don't worry about it, leave it
alone. I'm like okay. So I didn't bother him. So we got
back to the house and he sat down and he just kept sitting there and
sitting there, and he was watching TV. And I said, we're going
to get back to the cabin and took the other two limits. He says,
no, we'll do it tomorrow. I said okay. So I went
up and got ready for bed, and I went to bed that night and
got up to next day and I tried to talk to him about it some
more, and he got upset and just told me drop it, leave it
alone. And I'm like okay. So me and my wife finally looked into
the cabin and we're now settled. And seven months later, on March first,
twenty twenty one. I'm sitting in the house and I could hear the
wind kicking up. So I turned the news one and I'm watching the weather
and they're calling for forty to fifty mile an hour winds. You could hear
chimes moving around. You can hear people belongings sliding, such as boxes and
whatever people had under their cardboard an the outdoor. So I told my wife.
I said, well, you know, I said, tomorrow's trash.
I gotta put recycling. I gotta put the trash out. And she said,
well, why don't you wait until morning. I said, no,
I'm going to do it now and get it over with. So I took
the two trash agains down to the end of the driveway. I sat them
there and I come back in and we watched some TV and it started getting
late, so I ran eleven o'clock. She says, I'm gonna go to
bed. I'm tired. I said, okay. So I stayed up and
I watched some more TV, and then I said, I'm gonna get on
a computer. So I got on a computer and I'm listening to music from
YouTube and looking at YouTube videos and you know, just browsing and looking at
different and things. So I took my headphones off. I went to the
bathroom. I'll come back. I got me a drink, I sat back
down. I put the headphones one for a little bit more, listening to
some warm music. And I looked at the clock and I'm like, oh,
my lord, it's three o'clock in the morning. I better get ready
for bid. So I took the headphones off, and just as I took
the headphones off, I heard a loud bang boom. I'm like, oh
Lord, please tell me it wasn't the trash can, because I was worried
about the lid, you know, if it blew over, the lid flipping
up in the stuff coming out and being on the street. So I got
my head lamp that I had bought for when I go outside at night.
I put that on. I put my jacket on, and I got my
slippers and I went down to the end of the driveway and I'm like,
yeah, when I'm blew over. So I get up to the trash cans
and I'm leaning over and I'm grabbing a hold of the trash can. When
I went to pull it up, I started hearing a car horn on and
off like somebody was just like laying on a horn letting it go, laying
on a horn, letting it go. And then all of a sudden,
I hear the car brakes lock up when I looked up to the top of
the street, because I was expecting a car accident. When I looked up
to the top of my street, it's in the shape of a T.
You can go left, you can go right, and you can come into
my street. And if you look straight ahead, you're looking at a house
that sits next to a farm, and it's a good distance across that farm
before you get into the woods. So there's a little light on the side
of the house and it pretty much lights up part of the street. So
at first I thought I was seeing a person just standing there. And then
the car finally came to a stop and it's still blowing its worn and I'm
like, that's not a person. It dropped to all fours and started running
down the street towards me, down my street, and as soon as it
got to about twelve to fifteen feet for me, it stood up when its
hind legs, it's front paws started boxing like like a horse would if it
got on its hind legs. It's two legs would look like it's kind of
boxing. So I grabbed a hold of the handle with both hands. The
trash cans. This thing had yellow eyes, its teeth. We're out of
this world. It had claw long claws, big thick claws. It had
black hair. It was spiky looking. Its sides were moving in and out.
It was growling a little bit and foaming from the bottom of its mouth,
and I just like totally locked up. The calves in my legs locked
up, and then my body followed right behind that and just stiffened up.
I couldn't move. Suddenly it dropped. The all fours ran in the same
direction as the first encounter and gone in a matter of seconds. Now going
down my street, at the very end, it turns into it like a
circle. It dead ends. There's a house that sits at the bottom.
There's houses only left, and there's house is when they're right, and they're
all single homes with woods behind them. So when you get to the very
bottom, that house has woods behind it, So I'm assuming that's where both
of them had ran too. At that point, the guy peels wheels,
he turns, he comes down his window comes down and he says, what
was that? And I tried to talk. I couldn't do anything but mumble.
My legs were still locked, my body was still stiff. So the
window goes back up and he takes off and goes down into the direction where
it had ran to. By then, I'm trying to get myself together so
I could get in the cabin, and I managed to start backing up.
And as I'm backing up, I walked into the tree that's in the front
of my cabin in the grass area. My back touched it and I jumped.
When I jumped, it kind of like helped me a little bit to
be able to start moving a little quicker. So I'm still walking backwards,
but not taking my eyes off the road. So I managed to get to
the cabin. I opened the screen door, I went inside, I pulled
the screen door shut, I locked it. I reached my file cabinet and
I got out my gun. I stood there and I said to myself,
I wonder if this guy's going to come up and want to talk to me.
He comes flying back up the road, he stops, its window comes
down, He goes and tries to ask me a question. His phone rings,
so he gets win his phone and he's explaining to someone what had just
happened. And I think they were making fun of him on the phone because
he started yelling at him and telling him things like no, I'm serious,
it did happen. And then he just drove off and made a left and
I never seen him again. So, you know, I shut the door
and I sat down on my computer. I'm scratching my head. I'm like,
what the heck just happened to me? And I didn't want to go
wake my wife up, you know, because it was way after three am.
So I get on a computer and I started research and I started looking.
I'm looking up black dogs, so I started coming across stuff like dog
Man, black creature, dog looking creatures, and so I couldn't sleep the
rest of the night. I didn't get to sleep until daybreak. I was
helping the track man king. I didn't even go ahead and get to cans.
I just went to bed right after that and that was it. And
then, you know, it's been on my mind ever since, and I
don't plan on going anywhere, so I'm just praying that I don't have a
third encounter within two blocks from where I live, there's been big foot sightings.
Recently, there has been a whole mess of UFO sightings in Bucks County.
Every time you turn around, you're reading in the town paper that there's
been a new UFO sighting. And I still go online and look to see
if there's been any recent Dogman sightings. And I can't get it out of
my mind. I mean, I'm not losing sleep, but I get up
in it's the It's in my mind on a daily basis. Before August seventh
of twenty twenty, what were your thoughts on the existence of cryptids like Dogman
and sasquatch? Dave, Well, here's something interesting, Okay. In two
thousand and three, I created a paranormal group and I was a paranormal investigator.
We just strictly did paranormal sightings ghost related and I had that team until
two sixteen, and then I started having some health issues, so I decided
to close the group down and slow down and do something else with my life.
But never have I ever experienced anything like I did here. Oh,
I'm sure. Yeah, it'd be hard to duplicate. How far would you
say that first Dogman was from you? When you first saw an army crawling
the way you did. Well, let's see the SGV comes into the driveway.
Said, that would leave about I guess I'm gonna say fifteen twenty feet,
because I do have a long, pretty long driveway. The driveway goes
up underneath the cardboard, but we weren't pulled completely up to the cartboard because
we wanted to allow us some room in case we wanted to leave some boxes
in the cardboard until we got you know, enough room in there and got
situated after putting boxes away. But yeah, I would say I've known more
than fifteen twenty feet. Oh that's closed. Yeah, way too close for
comfort. Was it behind you or in front of you? It was behind
us. Our backs were to it, and as we reached into the SGV
to grab boxes, we swung around, and then we were looking forward as
we were setting the boxes down, and like I said, when we noticed
it, both of us at the same time, our head came up and
then we stood in an upright position and was like, what the heck was
that? Oh, I'm sure you said something worse than that, but yeah,
yeah, all that was it crawling perpendicular to you two or somewhat towards
you. I don't think it was crawling towards us, because it was still
over It was over the line. And when I say the line, that's
where the driveway divides driveway into the street. So it was still in the
street. It was over the driveway line. And it didn't look like it
was turning left, which it would have had to if it was coming into
the driveway. It just looked like it was trying to get by unnoticed.
But we just happened to be I guess it saw us, and we just
happened to turn around that the wrong time, and and we startled it and
it just, you know, like I said, it spun around gone.
And you know, the first time, I couldn't even get an accurate description,
you know, no eye color or anything. I mean, we noticed
it was dog like looking, but very strange. You didn't give too many
details about how it looked. You said it was ken I'm looking, But
did you get enough of a look at it to be able to give us
any more details about its appearance? The first one, no, But the
second one I didn't take my eyes off of it. The first one,
it just it happened even quicker, and it was gone faster than the second
one, so there was no room to be able to get a description the
first time because it happened so fast. Well, that's not your fault.
You're just doing the best you could process that traumatic experience, so no one
could fault you for that. I'm a little cloudy on this though. Where
it was pretty close to where your driveway touched the street, was it fairly
dark right there or was there enough light for you to be able to tell
if it was ever looking at you, or do you know, well,
right there where we saw it was just a little bit alight from the moon.
If it's a full moon out there, you can see a lot better.
If it's cloudy out you're not going to see that well unless you have
a flashlight. And like I said, the house at the top where the
tea is the shape of the street has a light on the side of the
house that only illuminate it's the street up there, so it just you know,
it's like a certain area up at the top. But from the moonlight
you can see on my street at times, depending on the clouds, sounds
like it was pretty dark over there. Then, could you make out enough
detail to get a feel for how big it was. Um, I would
say at least four feet long, the size of maybe a gosh. I'm
not good with dog teams bigger than a lab, a full grown lab.
But it wasn't. The first one was not heavy and thick like the second
one. It was a lot smaller. Yeah, it must have been a
young one. Then did you ever notice a tail on it? No,
Like I said, it been soo quick and gone in the flash at first
when I saw it, well, we both saw it at the same time.
But my opinion was I thought it was a coyote that was either ugly
or sick, because I was, you know, I was sure it wasn't.
It wasn't a wasn't a neighbor's dog. It wasn't a you know what,
that dog sure would have been nice if it was just a coyote.
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twenty twenty one, when you had that second encounter, you said that the
loud bang you heard was why you went outside looking back, Do you think
the dog man had knocked that trash can over and that's what actually made the
banger? Do you still think it was just the wind? Well, I
think it was the wind. And when I took the headphones off, I
could hear the wind whipping and then it was just a boom, And I
thought to myself, well, it's either my neighbors trash can or it's one
of mine. So when I opened the door to look out, even with
the flashlight on my head the headlamp still couldn't be able to tell because from
the front door, let's see, that's about I would say thirty feet to
the trash can. Well, like I tell people, everything that goes bump
in the night, isn't it dog me? And so I bet you're right.
I bet it was just the wind blowing that can over and that's all
it was to it. Yeah, Because when I first walked out the front
door, and I made sure that I shut the screen door, because I
even went to wind to get a hold of that and rip it off.
As I was walking across the grass, I hadn't yet heard the car the
car horn from my side, Ensie, I didn't see anything up at the
top of the street where that little bit of light lights up the street.
Just as I got to the trash can and leaned over the start pulling it
up, That's when I heard somebody laying on the horn and then the brakes
started locking up. That's what maybe look up to the top of the street.
When I looked up to the top of the street, it was standing
on two lakes. But I wasn't sure. I wasn't clear what it was.
I mean, at first, I you know, my first instinct was
is that a person just standing in the street, you know, And as
my eyes focused and then you know, I'm hearing this the car horn and
then the breaks locking up and the car coming to a stop. And the
thing did not move until the car came to a complete stop. And I
would say the car the front of the car was maybe six feet from it
and then it just dropped. And uh, you know, there's there's always
a lot of fog around here too, you know, that night it was
cold. It was warmer in the daytime, but then they got colder and
the wind kicked up, and for some reason, it gets foggy around here
a lot. Sometimes it's from people's fireplaces too, you know, it's just
like ladies in an area. And uh, I guess depending on the wind,
you know, how fast it's going to move out or whatever. Thinking
that's that guy that was honking at it didn't make it angry. I was
concerned about him too, because he didn't look like and every day John or
a Joe. He was wild looking. Yeah, so that's why I stayed
at the door. I kind of thought, you know, maybe once he
turned around he came back and found out that it was a dead end street
that he couldn't go through, that he would have at least came back up.
And well he did, but you know, like I said, he
got that phone call and started arguing with them, and then he just put
his song, throw his phone in the car seat and just take off and
peel wheels and make a left turn and then a simple maybe he'll come back
to next day. But I haven't seen him since. I'm not surprised.
I don't think that guy's a fee. If you're called a sack, I
can understand why do Yeah, And like I told you, these sightings,
these other sightings that people have had are not far from my cabin three thirteen
is a route which is a right down the street for me less than a
half a mile. There were two in that area. Then there was one
up the opposite end of where my cabin is, going into the other direction.
And then there was a big it siting that was spotted by a fireman
and his father coming home from the firehouse from a meeting. So I'm like,
is there like an area where all these things are, you know,
because there's woods all the way around. I don't know, I don't know.
Yeah, it does sound like you live in a cryptic hotspot. Wow,
that's a lot of them around you. I mean I have gone out
into the side of my carport that's where there's a big piece of grass property
with trees and stuff like that. And I have seen fox, I've seen
deer, and you know, my neighbor has seen bear and all sorts of
things. I mean, in my street coming into well, I don't want
to call my studio community, but I mean it's just houses on the left,
houses on the right, wanted to very bottom, and then that's it.
You'd have to come out of my street, go left and go right,
and then it's all single homes that are spaced apart, pretty far apart.
You know. It's like when you make a right hand turn, you'll
see a house, but then you won't see a house for a while,
and then you'll see another house, and then you won't see another one for
a while. And it's like that on both sides. So there's plenty of
wood lines and wooded area in the area. Unfortunately, it sounds to me
like a great place for a dog me and make a living. Could be
well. I tell you, I pray every day that I don't have to
go through this again. I don't want to see another one. I mean,
that's the first one. I was concerned. I was puzzled, I
was. It stayed on my mind. But that second one, that second
one did it. I can understand why that'd be so traumatic. But you're
okay and never harmed you. It could have. It had every opportunity to
harm you, but it didn't do that. So I hope you never lose
sight of that fact. Oh I will, good man. I hope you
never do. Yeah. But it's you know, like I've said it on
a daily basis, it's still in my mind. I mean, at any
second, it just it just pops up when it wants to. Oh,
I'm sure it doesn't, Like I said, that's totally natural. It's just
one of those things. It will such a profound experience it you're gonna think
about it all the time. And if it's nighttime and I have to come
out to the cardboard to take a little small bag of trash or something or
a recycle, as soon as I touch it door, nob, I'm like
m And my wife's like, please be careful for I said, I will,
But I gotta light out there now. Saw. All I do is
just flick the switch, and my card poard and my driveways lit up.
But it doesn't go all the way out to the street though, twice bitting
three times shy. Yeah, you can go out in the middle of my
street and look down and you're going to see as a red blinking light.
I'm not sure what that red blinking light is for, but it sits all
the way down at the call to sacle, all the way at the bottom.
I'm not sure what that red blinkt I've never gone down to to what
that red blink in lights four. But that's the only thing you can say.
You can't tell what's in the distance if you're looking down my road.
Yeah, it does sound pretty desolate and isolated. But well, like I
said, that sounds like a great place to live to me. When it
came down to your street and stood up, how tall would you say it
was? Oh? Well, vic, im six foot It was taller than
me, but not too much taller, so I would say almost seven foot
six something. And the first one, like I said, didn't look like
it was any longer than four deep if that's all. The taller that second
one was. It was also a young one, Yeah it was. It
was the best way I could describe it. It looked like a werewolf or
an ugly creature from a horror movie one steroids. That's the best way I
can put it. Not to raise unhappy thoughts, but just imagine after it
grows up what it's going to look like. I never did really research,
you know, as far as the part how big they get? How big
do they get? Well, you can have a big meal that's twelve feet
tall. Oh my gosh. But understand though, if you run into the
big ones, they're a lot less likely to mess with you than the smaller
ones are. Almost every encounter that you're going to hear about is where a
smaller one, a juvie, decides to mess with a person, not a
twelve footer. It does happen where people bump into eleven footers twelve footers,
but normally you're not going to find the big ones actually going out of the
way to mess with you. But then again, you're talking about mature on
this hand versus immature on this hand. After you meet it inside, Dave,
you got your gun out, you said, what kind of gun was
it? Nine? No means oh, yeah, you know I thought about
that. After I did that, I'm like, probably wouldn't even done anything.
Well, would have made a mad Yeah, it's just you know,
unnatural interstinct for me. Oh sure, you were so rattled that any source
of comfort that you could possibly get your hands on is what you're going to
head for. So it's only understandable that you wouldn't got your gun out and
kept it there ready in hand. What's your wife's take been on these two
encounters. Does she seem to believe you? She got scared her at first?
She was saying things to me and like I'm not going out there and
sit at like I'm like sure you will, I said, I'll be right
there with you. But she joked around with me a few times, you
know, like I said, when i have to go out to the car
poort, because I'm not like keeping even a small bag of waste, you
know, from dinner or whatever. If I have to go out to the
car poard, she a few times had said to me, you better watch
you like watch what oh? And then I'm you know, I'm like,
okay, let's see what you're saying. I said, no, I'll be
all right. So I go out there and now I'm waiting for a raccoon
to be out there, and you know, go out there and put something
to trash, you can't get it a turnaround and then here this, like
you know, the noise they make to get away. So I don't know,
well, I hope a raccoon doesn't terrify you like that. You frightened
her by telling her. You said, with that in mind, do you
wish you would have kept those encounters to yourself. I wish that would have
kept it to myself because, you know, like I said, at first,
she was not wanting to, you know, go outside and sit and
relax and you know, get some fresh air, and and I'm like,
you know, I said to myself, look what I did, you know?
But then you know, she's okay. Now, I say, let's
go out and sit under the carboard, get her chairs out. She's fine.
Oh good, I'm glad she's doing better now. And please keep in
mind, if she ever thinks that she'd feel better, she could speak with
me about dog men and about your encounters. All I have to do is
just let her know and let me know I'd be happy to schedule that conversation
if it's going to help her feel better and deal with the fact that you
two live in dog in the country right, Well, you know the information
that you shared with me, I shared with her about the odds of being
attacked. And uh, She's like, yeah, but you never know.
I'm like, true, but you know she's right, you never do.
But that's life. Has there been a time since he had that second encounter
where you think that maybe one of those two dogged men might have come back
around, Dave? You know, I was gonna put a trail cam out,
but I was told you're wished in your time. Well, Brian told
me, he said you'd be washed in your time. Because they keeps them
away because they can see it the led lights or oh yeah, yeah,
they can normally see that. And when you say Brian, he's talking about
Brian Tyrrell. I put him into contact with Brian because I thought it might
benefit him to have a conversation with Brian, and no surprise, it did
benefit him. We talked about He said he had a woman call him about
a dog man encounter and he mentioned to me that she believed it had something
to do with her trash. So he said, you might want to look
at your two dates and see if both of those dates were a trash day.
That's like, really okay, I said, Oh, I'll look at
the dow dates and compare them and see what I get. That was a
good idea, because yeah, they do go through trash. He said that
you're not losing sleep, but I'm still a little confused. Here were you
at with all this present day, Dave? Are you having any problems dealing
with those two experiences or when you think about it, are you just reflecting?
Uh, I don't think it's bothering me where it's causing me to lose
sleep. Regardless, I lose sleep because of the diabetes with neuropathy. But
I could lay there and I noticed some nights, I'll lay there and think
about a number of things, and then all of a sudden, dog Man
the encounter pops up in my mind, and I'll start thinking about it for
I don't know, ten fifteen minutes, and if I can't sleep, I'll
get up. But no, I'm not losing sleep. I'm pretty much okay
being able to fall asleep. But like I said, there's times where I
can't sleep because of neuropathy. Well, it goes without saying, I'm so
glad to hear that the dog mean encounters aren't what's keeping me up. I
hate to hear about the neuropathy, though, and the fact that that is.
But at least the dog mean encounters aren't traumatizing you so much that you
can't function. Thank Goodness for that. It's nowhere as near as bad as
it was for the second encounter. That night when it happened, like I
said, I couldn't sleep the rest of the night. And then you know,
in the next few days after that, I was okay being able to
fall asleep. But the first three or four days after the second encounter was
constantly on my mind. I just couldn't get it, like, Okay,
can you go away for a while, let me think about something else,
let me do something else. But now it was there for good three or
four days and then you eatse lp, and like I said, I don't
lose sleep over it. I've been pretty much okay ever since. Well that's
great. Yeah, sounds like you got over your encounter as much quicker than
most I witnesses get over there. So I'm glad you're able to deal with
it so well. You have relatives in West Virginia who have had a dog
and encounter their own. What did they tell you about their experience? Well,
Mike cousint she got up about four o'clock in the morning. She had
to go pick her boyfriend off from work. He had worked over a night,
and she was going off the property and she made a left one to
the road and as she was driving, she saw three deer. And let
me say this, it had just gotten daylight when she left, so it
was just starting to get daylight now. When she made the left, she
said, she saw three deer running towards her, so she had to come
to a stop. When the deer saw her stop two ran off one side
of the road, one ran off the other side, and right behind it
was this massive black looking dog standing on two legs, and she said it
was about eight nine feet tall. She said it was humongous and she didn't
know what to do, so she was thinking should up blow the horn and
try to scare it off? She said she just sat still, so it
dropped and it ran off. She went and picked up her boy friend came
back. She told him about it and he laughed at her. Oh.
About a month later, him and another one of my cousins that lives on
the property were getting in the car and they were driving. It's a dirt
road that comes off the property that comes out to the main road. As
they were going down the dirt road, this black looking dog creature was running
alongside the car and keeping up with them. So my cousin said, the
black dog looking creature was running next to the car, so he decided to
slam when the brakes, and when he did, it kicked up a lot
of dirt and dust and they're like looking left, looking right, looking to
see where this thing was. And he said, they sat still in the
car until the dust kind of settled and when it settled, the thing was
standing on its hind legs about ten feet away off the side of the road,
just staring at him. And then it just took off, dropped the
all fours and took off. So when he went back, you know,
to his girlfriend, he's like, Okay, I got something I have to
share with you, he said, I believe you now about your story,
but now I got one to tell you. So he told her, and
they compared notes, and the one that he saw, he could tell that
it wasn't exactly the one she saw because it was a little bit smaller than
the ones she had seen. And another thing about their property is when my
nephew goes out to go hunting or and do some work on the land,
he has found footprints, he has had things thrown at him. He has
heard screams like a like a woman screaming. And he said he pretty much
hears that late at night when he's sitting out on the back deck. And
up in the hills because they live in the I mean rate dead smack behind
the house is the appellation, and it's a hill that goes way up and
you know, starts going up into the mountains and they've found huge, not
big footprints, but they believe it to be dog man prints in the dirt
area in the mud, and they've had people look at the prince and they're
like, no, that's that's too big to be a coyote, or you
know, yeah, coyote, Prince, don't get that big. Dave,
I can't thank you enough for coming on ensuring the details of those experiences with
us. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you for having me
on. It's been an honor. What's been an honor having you on.
Thanks against so much for your time, and have a great night.