1 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,879 Tonight's guest is Dave Wigert. Dave, welcome to the show. Thank you, 2 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,599 Vick, thank you for having me on. Well, thanks so much 3 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,799 for coming on. We appreciate your time. Dave, please give us a 4 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:47,799 brief bio on yourself. Yes, my name is Dave Wigert. And as 5 00:01:47,799 --> 00:01:53,920 far as my work back around, I worked for Baltimore County Fire and Police 6 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:00,560 and I did a lot of private security as well private secrety. I can 7 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,719 only imagine the stories you have to share. Yeah, there's a lot, 8 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:10,080 oh all bad, I'm sure there are, Dave. The first time we 9 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,400 spoke, you told me the dog men are constantly on your mind. To 10 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:21,680 what extent it's daily, He went, I wake up in the morning after 11 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:27,759 getting myself started, it just pops in my head. It hasn't gone away 12 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:32,199 since the two encounters. So I would say, yeah, on a daily 13 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,319 basis, it's like, you know, just pops in and out of my 14 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,199 mind. And I could be sitting there watching TV and it could just pop 15 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,280 up in my mind, and I'll sit there and I'll just I'll go through 16 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:51,719 it, and that my mind will dripped off to thinking about something else. 17 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:54,919 Well, that doesn't make any different from most eyewitnesses. I mean, most 18 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,680 of them think about their encounters on a daily basis, But that really doesn't 19 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,599 come as a surprise when you have such a profound experience. That's only natural 20 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,879 and it's expected. In August of twenty twenty, you and your wife moved. 21 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,879 Where'd you go and why'd you move? Well, we moved from a 22 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:21,159 Baltimore, Maryland. My wife had a massive heart attack, and after she 23 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:25,360 spent fifty two days in the hospital, we went back and stayed at our 24 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,560 house for a while, and then my son said, I think it's time 25 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,000 that you move up here where I'm at. And he lived in Dublin, 26 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,439 PA. So he said, it would be better for you to move up 27 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:40,159 here. I can take care of you guys, and you can spend word 28 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:46,479 time with your grandchildren. So we moved up to Dublin, PA with my 29 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:53,639 son. How's your wife now? She's doing a lot better. She still 30 00:03:53,680 --> 00:04:00,800 has illnesses such as dementia and she's dealing with that, but as far as 31 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,240 her heart, that's been doing pretty good. Well, it goes without saying 32 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,439 I'm so glad to hear her heart's doing better, but I'm so sorry to 33 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:14,680 hear about the dementia. Yeah, it's it's really rough. Oh, I'm 34 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:18,839 sure it is. Yeah, that can't be easy. Both of your encounters 35 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,959 happened at the CAP and you and your wife moved into How hospitable would you 36 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,079 say the area around it is for dog men. Well, there's a lot 37 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,480 of farm area around, there's a lot of woods. I'm in like a 38 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:41,399 circle, so I would say there's woods all the way around me, all 39 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,480 the way around, and there's a lot of wildlife. There's barre, there's 40 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,160 deer, there's a fox, coyotes, all that stuff. So you know, 41 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,959 from time to time you might see it a skunk, a raccoon, 42 00:04:56,079 --> 00:05:00,879 a fox or something like that on the property. So, like I said, 43 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,480 there's a lot of woods, so there's a lot of places for wildlife 44 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:10,959 to live in. Sounds like a great place to live. I don't blame 45 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,360 you from moving there. Both of the dog men you've encountered could have harmed 46 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:17,839 you but didn't. Does that make you think the threat that they pose on 47 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,800 average is over rated or do you think most of them do pose a real 48 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:28,120 threat. I know nothing about dog man you know, I've read a lot 49 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,879 of reports of some people that were attacked and most of them not, So 50 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:41,160 it's hard to say what dog Man would do. And I can tell you 51 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,319 there's so many things that went through my mind about, you know, after 52 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:51,040 the situation, about what could have possibly happened but didn't. And I'm so 53 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:57,120 grateful for that. Oh, I'm sure you are. I don't blame you. 54 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,079 Your second encounter frightened you so much you're froze and understandably so. Have 55 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:06,399 you had any other experiences that frightened you as much as it did? No? 56 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:16,600 No, the second encounter when I experienced that, my legs blocked up. 57 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:21,519 First, I had cramps in my calves, and then the rest of 58 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,519 my body just tightened up. And that was it. I could I couldn't 59 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,519 even really talk. Oh, I'm sure he couldn't. Yeah, that must 60 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,279 have been awfully frightening. Your son was with you when you had the first 61 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,879 one, though, What kind of an effect did it have on him? 62 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:44,399 Well? To this day he still gets irritable when I bring it up. 63 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:47,920 When I mentioned it to him, he just plane out tells me I don't 64 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,000 want to talk about it, Forget it, forget about it. He's in 65 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:59,600 denial. Man? Does he avoid going into the woods now? I don't 66 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,480 think he going into the woods, since then he's not a hunter. He 67 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:10,160 doesn't like the walk trails or anything like that or go hiking, so he 68 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:14,879 really doesn't have a reason to go into the woods. But he's talking about 69 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:19,800 moving now to a house he wants to buy that has farm land and woods, 70 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:26,720 and I'm gonna try to touch bases with him on that, But I 71 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,519 don't know how that's gonna go. Hard to say that's going to pan out. 72 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,399 How about you have your encounters removed in the love that you have for 73 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,519 being out in the woods, or do you still like spending time out there. 74 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:46,319 I'm okay with it. I've always told people I'm a man, and 75 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:53,839 I fear no man. I fear nothing. I put my pants on the 76 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,439 same way as another man. But when it comes to something like dog man 77 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:03,920 or something like that, it's hard to say until the time. If you 78 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,959 encounter something like that like I did, you can say, oh, I 79 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:11,759 wouldn't be scared of it, but I was terrified. I wasn't scared. 80 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,279 I was terrified. That's a good point. It's all too easy to have 81 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,079 this idea of how you'd handle a dog meet encounter if you had one but 82 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,839 everyone has a plan until we have a dog meant encounter. You shared your 83 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,199 encounters with one of your neighbors. From what I understand, how do you 84 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,519 respond? I'm gonna say I was laughed at a little bit, you know, 85 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,559 because he had mentioned to me, He's like, what are you smoking. 86 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:43,480 I'm like, I'm not smoking anything. I don't smoke. He says, 87 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,960 the only thing I see around here is wildlife. That's it. And 88 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,320 he said that's not very often, just from time to time. It's too 89 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,720 bad to respond to that way. But because I'm sure you know most people, 90 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,559 when you're approaching with an experience like that, that's what you're going to 91 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,039 get. So it's a shame, but that's how it normally goes. If 92 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:09,919 you've had a dog meant encounter would like to speak with me about it, 93 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,039 whether I'm private or on this show, please go to dog Meant Encounters dot 94 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:18,080 com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like 95 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:20,399 to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go to 96 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,120 my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. All right, Dave, 97 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,759 please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that 98 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:35,679 comes to mind, okay, and it all gets So two twenty, my 99 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:41,799 son and I had a conversation about moving up to the PA area. So 100 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,679 my wife and I we gathered our stuff and we moved to the PA area 101 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,360 and we went to live with our son and his family for about two weeks. 102 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,320 And then we started looking around and I came across the cabin and I 103 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,960 went and looked at it and I told my son, I said, I 104 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:03,399 like it, and I think it would be good for us. It would 105 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,240 work out fine. So we got the cabin, got the key used to 106 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:15,759 it. On August seventh of twenty twenty, my son came to me and 107 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:20,360 said, look, I'm not ready to kick you out yet, he said, 108 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,759 but let's start moving some things into the gabin so that we can start 109 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:26,480 getting it ready for you. And then we'll go shopping. Then we'll get 110 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,360 some wor stuff, and then we'll take that over to the gabin. So 111 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,360 when August seventh, it was around evening time on most nighttime. When we 112 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:41,639 arrived, we pulled into the driveway, it was dark out and I noticed 113 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,559 something. I said to my son and I said, man, it's truly 114 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:48,039 dark out here. I said. The only light we have is coming from 115 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,200 up the street across the street from a house next to a farm, and 116 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,200 the little bit of moonlight. He says, yeah, he says, you 117 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:03,039 might want to get some more light. I said yeah. So we get 118 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:07,120 out of the vehicle and we go in and we unlocked the kebin and we 119 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,919 come back to the suv or at the rear of it, and pulled the 120 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,080 dolly out and set it on the ground, and we both reached back inside 121 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:22,080 to get boxes. And as we were coming around from out of the back 122 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,919 of the suv, we sat the boxes down on the ground at the same 123 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:35,039 time, and then our head came up and what I had saw was a 124 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:41,720 black looking creature dog crawling on all fours like the military does when they're going 125 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:48,360 underneath the wires or whatever they have to crawl under. And we look at 126 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:54,159 each other and he goes, what And we turned back to look at it, 127 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,799 and it was spinning around. As it spun around, it took off 128 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:05,279 and all we saw was it run for a couple of feet and then it 129 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,240 just gone into the nighttime, because like I said, it was very very 130 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:16,399 dark out there. So we got the boxes, we got him into the 131 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,919 cabin, He had mentioned before we got there that he wanted to do a 132 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,799 total of three loads. So we got the first load into the cabin, 133 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:31,120 and as we're driving back to his house, I started talking about what we 134 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,639 had saw and he was like, do me a favorite when we get to 135 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,399 the house. Don't see nothing around the kids, and don't see nothing around 136 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,440 my girlfriend. I said okay. I said, well, what do you 137 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:46,559 think you saw? He said, just don't worry about it, leave it 138 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,919 alone. I'm like okay. So I didn't bother him. So we got 139 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:56,279 back to the house and he sat down and he just kept sitting there and 140 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,320 sitting there, and he was watching TV. And I said, we're going 141 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,279 to get back to the cabin and took the other two limits. He says, 142 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,240 no, we'll do it tomorrow. I said okay. So I went 143 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:13,080 up and got ready for bed, and I went to bed that night and 144 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,320 got up to next day and I tried to talk to him about it some 145 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,399 more, and he got upset and just told me drop it, leave it 146 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:31,000 alone. And I'm like okay. So me and my wife finally looked into 147 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:39,399 the cabin and we're now settled. And seven months later, on March first, 148 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:45,519 twenty twenty one. I'm sitting in the house and I could hear the 149 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,440 wind kicking up. So I turned the news one and I'm watching the weather 150 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:56,879 and they're calling for forty to fifty mile an hour winds. You could hear 151 00:13:56,039 --> 00:14:03,080 chimes moving around. You can hear people belongings sliding, such as boxes and 152 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:13,840 whatever people had under their cardboard an the outdoor. So I told my wife. 153 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:15,879 I said, well, you know, I said, tomorrow's trash. 154 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:18,360 I gotta put recycling. I gotta put the trash out. And she said, 155 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,000 well, why don't you wait until morning. I said, no, 156 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,440 I'm going to do it now and get it over with. So I took 157 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,799 the two trash agains down to the end of the driveway. I sat them 158 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,320 there and I come back in and we watched some TV and it started getting 159 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:37,720 late, so I ran eleven o'clock. She says, I'm gonna go to 160 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,039 bed. I'm tired. I said, okay. So I stayed up and 161 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:46,720 I watched some more TV, and then I said, I'm gonna get on 162 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:52,720 a computer. So I got on a computer and I'm listening to music from 163 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:58,679 YouTube and looking at YouTube videos and you know, just browsing and looking at 164 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:07,320 different and things. So I took my headphones off. I went to the 165 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,039 bathroom. I'll come back. I got me a drink, I sat back 166 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:13,759 down. I put the headphones one for a little bit more, listening to 167 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:20,200 some warm music. And I looked at the clock and I'm like, oh, 168 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:22,480 my lord, it's three o'clock in the morning. I better get ready 169 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,759 for bid. So I took the headphones off, and just as I took 170 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:35,200 the headphones off, I heard a loud bang boom. I'm like, oh 171 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,399 Lord, please tell me it wasn't the trash can, because I was worried 172 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,399 about the lid, you know, if it blew over, the lid flipping 173 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,720 up in the stuff coming out and being on the street. So I got 174 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:52,159 my head lamp that I had bought for when I go outside at night. 175 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:56,639 I put that on. I put my jacket on, and I got my 176 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:03,600 slippers and I went down to the end of the driveway and I'm like, 177 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,600 yeah, when I'm blew over. So I get up to the trash cans 178 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:12,159 and I'm leaning over and I'm grabbing a hold of the trash can. When 179 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:18,759 I went to pull it up, I started hearing a car horn on and 180 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,320 off like somebody was just like laying on a horn letting it go, laying 181 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,399 on a horn, letting it go. And then all of a sudden, 182 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,799 I hear the car brakes lock up when I looked up to the top of 183 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:36,320 the street, because I was expecting a car accident. When I looked up 184 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,679 to the top of my street, it's in the shape of a T. 185 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,120 You can go left, you can go right, and you can come into 186 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,519 my street. And if you look straight ahead, you're looking at a house 187 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,440 that sits next to a farm, and it's a good distance across that farm 188 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,159 before you get into the woods. So there's a little light on the side 189 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,639 of the house and it pretty much lights up part of the street. So 190 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:07,799 at first I thought I was seeing a person just standing there. And then 191 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:14,119 the car finally came to a stop and it's still blowing its worn and I'm 192 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,240 like, that's not a person. It dropped to all fours and started running 193 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:25,200 down the street towards me, down my street, and as soon as it 194 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:29,440 got to about twelve to fifteen feet for me, it stood up when its 195 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:36,319 hind legs, it's front paws started boxing like like a horse would if it 196 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,720 got on its hind legs. It's two legs would look like it's kind of 197 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:47,279 boxing. So I grabbed a hold of the handle with both hands. The 198 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:56,480 trash cans. This thing had yellow eyes, its teeth. We're out of 199 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:03,839 this world. It had claw long claws, big thick claws. It had 200 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,160 black hair. It was spiky looking. Its sides were moving in and out. 201 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,559 It was growling a little bit and foaming from the bottom of its mouth, 202 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:25,799 and I just like totally locked up. The calves in my legs locked 203 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,960 up, and then my body followed right behind that and just stiffened up. 204 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:37,160 I couldn't move. Suddenly it dropped. The all fours ran in the same 205 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:47,039 direction as the first encounter and gone in a matter of seconds. Now going 206 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:52,359 down my street, at the very end, it turns into it like a 207 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,240 circle. It dead ends. There's a house that sits at the bottom. 208 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,839 There's houses only left, and there's house is when they're right, and they're 209 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,240 all single homes with woods behind them. So when you get to the very 210 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:14,279 bottom, that house has woods behind it, So I'm assuming that's where both 211 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:19,359 of them had ran too. At that point, the guy peels wheels, 212 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,440 he turns, he comes down his window comes down and he says, what 213 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:32,359 was that? And I tried to talk. I couldn't do anything but mumble. 214 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,920 My legs were still locked, my body was still stiff. So the 215 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,720 window goes back up and he takes off and goes down into the direction where 216 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:49,079 it had ran to. By then, I'm trying to get myself together so 217 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:56,319 I could get in the cabin, and I managed to start backing up. 218 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:03,000 And as I'm backing up, I walked into the tree that's in the front 219 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,519 of my cabin in the grass area. My back touched it and I jumped. 220 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:11,240 When I jumped, it kind of like helped me a little bit to 221 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:17,759 be able to start moving a little quicker. So I'm still walking backwards, 222 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:23,240 but not taking my eyes off the road. So I managed to get to 223 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,240 the cabin. I opened the screen door, I went inside, I pulled 224 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,240 the screen door shut, I locked it. I reached my file cabinet and 225 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:37,519 I got out my gun. I stood there and I said to myself, 226 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:41,480 I wonder if this guy's going to come up and want to talk to me. 227 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:48,200 He comes flying back up the road, he stops, its window comes 228 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,759 down, He goes and tries to ask me a question. His phone rings, 229 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,599 so he gets win his phone and he's explaining to someone what had just 230 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,200 happened. And I think they were making fun of him on the phone because 231 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:06,039 he started yelling at him and telling him things like no, I'm serious, 232 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,559 it did happen. And then he just drove off and made a left and 233 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:15,119 I never seen him again. So, you know, I shut the door 234 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,960 and I sat down on my computer. I'm scratching my head. I'm like, 235 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:30,480 what the heck just happened to me? And I didn't want to go 236 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,960 wake my wife up, you know, because it was way after three am. 237 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,480 So I get on a computer and I started research and I started looking. 238 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:47,839 I'm looking up black dogs, so I started coming across stuff like dog 239 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:55,599 Man, black creature, dog looking creatures, and so I couldn't sleep the 240 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,240 rest of the night. I didn't get to sleep until daybreak. I was 241 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,160 helping the track man king. I didn't even go ahead and get to cans. 242 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,279 I just went to bed right after that and that was it. And 243 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:14,039 then, you know, it's been on my mind ever since, and I 244 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:18,799 don't plan on going anywhere, so I'm just praying that I don't have a 245 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:26,279 third encounter within two blocks from where I live, there's been big foot sightings. 246 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:33,319 Recently, there has been a whole mess of UFO sightings in Bucks County. 247 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,680 Every time you turn around, you're reading in the town paper that there's 248 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:44,799 been a new UFO sighting. And I still go online and look to see 249 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:49,039 if there's been any recent Dogman sightings. And I can't get it out of 250 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:53,160 my mind. I mean, I'm not losing sleep, but I get up 251 00:22:53,160 --> 00:23:00,440 in it's the It's in my mind on a daily basis. Before August seventh 252 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,559 of twenty twenty, what were your thoughts on the existence of cryptids like Dogman 253 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:11,720 and sasquatch? Dave, Well, here's something interesting, Okay. In two 254 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:18,880 thousand and three, I created a paranormal group and I was a paranormal investigator. 255 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:27,720 We just strictly did paranormal sightings ghost related and I had that team until 256 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:36,960 two sixteen, and then I started having some health issues, so I decided 257 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,039 to close the group down and slow down and do something else with my life. 258 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,720 But never have I ever experienced anything like I did here. Oh, 259 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,599 I'm sure. Yeah, it'd be hard to duplicate. How far would you 260 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,079 say that first Dogman was from you? When you first saw an army crawling 261 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:03,839 the way you did. Well, let's see the SGV comes into the driveway. 262 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:11,519 Said, that would leave about I guess I'm gonna say fifteen twenty feet, 263 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,480 because I do have a long, pretty long driveway. The driveway goes 264 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:22,119 up underneath the cardboard, but we weren't pulled completely up to the cartboard because 265 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,079 we wanted to allow us some room in case we wanted to leave some boxes 266 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:32,079 in the cardboard until we got you know, enough room in there and got 267 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,240 situated after putting boxes away. But yeah, I would say I've known more 268 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,359 than fifteen twenty feet. Oh that's closed. Yeah, way too close for 269 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,440 comfort. Was it behind you or in front of you? It was behind 270 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:53,640 us. Our backs were to it, and as we reached into the SGV 271 00:24:53,799 --> 00:25:00,240 to grab boxes, we swung around, and then we were looking forward as 272 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,240 we were setting the boxes down, and like I said, when we noticed 273 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,200 it, both of us at the same time, our head came up and 274 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:12,559 then we stood in an upright position and was like, what the heck was 275 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:19,319 that? Oh, I'm sure you said something worse than that, but yeah, 276 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:26,119 yeah, all that was it crawling perpendicular to you two or somewhat towards 277 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:32,480 you. I don't think it was crawling towards us, because it was still 278 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:37,799 over It was over the line. And when I say the line, that's 279 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:44,880 where the driveway divides driveway into the street. So it was still in the 280 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,519 street. It was over the driveway line. And it didn't look like it 281 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:53,119 was turning left, which it would have had to if it was coming into 282 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:59,039 the driveway. It just looked like it was trying to get by unnoticed. 283 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,160 But we just happened to be I guess it saw us, and we just 284 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:10,720 happened to turn around that the wrong time, and and we startled it and 285 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,880 it just, you know, like I said, it spun around gone. 286 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:22,160 And you know, the first time, I couldn't even get an accurate description, 287 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:27,599 you know, no eye color or anything. I mean, we noticed 288 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:37,519 it was dog like looking, but very strange. You didn't give too many 289 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,759 details about how it looked. You said it was ken I'm looking, But 290 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,880 did you get enough of a look at it to be able to give us 291 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,839 any more details about its appearance? The first one, no, But the 292 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:55,519 second one I didn't take my eyes off of it. The first one, 293 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,720 it just it happened even quicker, and it was gone faster than the second 294 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:08,799 one, so there was no room to be able to get a description the 295 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:14,119 first time because it happened so fast. Well, that's not your fault. 296 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,480 You're just doing the best you could process that traumatic experience, so no one 297 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,119 could fault you for that. I'm a little cloudy on this though. Where 298 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,240 it was pretty close to where your driveway touched the street, was it fairly 299 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,559 dark right there or was there enough light for you to be able to tell 300 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:34,799 if it was ever looking at you, or do you know, well, 301 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:40,839 right there where we saw it was just a little bit alight from the moon. 302 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,119 If it's a full moon out there, you can see a lot better. 303 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:49,279 If it's cloudy out you're not going to see that well unless you have 304 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:53,079 a flashlight. And like I said, the house at the top where the 305 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,759 tea is the shape of the street has a light on the side of the 306 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:03,480 house that only illuminate it's the street up there, so it just you know, 307 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:08,200 it's like a certain area up at the top. But from the moonlight 308 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:15,000 you can see on my street at times, depending on the clouds, sounds 309 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,559 like it was pretty dark over there. Then, could you make out enough 310 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:25,839 detail to get a feel for how big it was. Um, I would 311 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:34,279 say at least four feet long, the size of maybe a gosh. I'm 312 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:40,519 not good with dog teams bigger than a lab, a full grown lab. 313 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:48,039 But it wasn't. The first one was not heavy and thick like the second 314 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,160 one. It was a lot smaller. Yeah, it must have been a 315 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,000 young one. Then did you ever notice a tail on it? No, 316 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,559 Like I said, it been soo quick and gone in the flash at first 317 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:08,200 when I saw it, well, we both saw it at the same time. 318 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:17,319 But my opinion was I thought it was a coyote that was either ugly 319 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,240 or sick, because I was, you know, I was sure it wasn't. 320 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,839 It wasn't a wasn't a neighbor's dog. It wasn't a you know what, 321 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,720 that dog sure would have been nice if it was just a coyote. 322 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,599 If you'd like to be able to listen to the show without ads and have 323 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,960 full access to bonus content, that's an option. To find out how, 324 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:44,519 please go to Dogman Encounters dot com forward Slash podcast. On March first of 325 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,480 twenty twenty one, when you had that second encounter, you said that the 326 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,279 loud bang you heard was why you went outside looking back, Do you think 327 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:53,640 the dog man had knocked that trash can over and that's what actually made the 328 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,119 banger? Do you still think it was just the wind? Well, I 329 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,680 think it was the wind. And when I took the headphones off, I 330 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,240 could hear the wind whipping and then it was just a boom, And I 331 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:15,200 thought to myself, well, it's either my neighbors trash can or it's one 332 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,200 of mine. So when I opened the door to look out, even with 333 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,640 the flashlight on my head the headlamp still couldn't be able to tell because from 334 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:30,319 the front door, let's see, that's about I would say thirty feet to 335 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,400 the trash can. Well, like I tell people, everything that goes bump 336 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,319 in the night, isn't it dog me? And so I bet you're right. 337 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,359 I bet it was just the wind blowing that can over and that's all 338 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:47,200 it was to it. Yeah, Because when I first walked out the front 339 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,680 door, and I made sure that I shut the screen door, because I 340 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,799 even went to wind to get a hold of that and rip it off. 341 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,319 As I was walking across the grass, I hadn't yet heard the car the 342 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,680 car horn from my side, Ensie, I didn't see anything up at the 343 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,880 top of the street where that little bit of light lights up the street. 344 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:10,480 Just as I got to the trash can and leaned over the start pulling it 345 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,119 up, That's when I heard somebody laying on the horn and then the brakes 346 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,000 started locking up. That's what maybe look up to the top of the street. 347 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,720 When I looked up to the top of the street, it was standing 348 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,559 on two lakes. But I wasn't sure. I wasn't clear what it was. 349 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,920 I mean, at first, I you know, my first instinct was 350 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,880 is that a person just standing in the street, you know, And as 351 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:44,039 my eyes focused and then you know, I'm hearing this the car horn and 352 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:48,400 then the breaks locking up and the car coming to a stop. And the 353 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,240 thing did not move until the car came to a complete stop. And I 354 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:59,480 would say the car the front of the car was maybe six feet from it 355 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,519 and then it just dropped. And uh, you know, there's there's always 356 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,440 a lot of fog around here too, you know, that night it was 357 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,799 cold. It was warmer in the daytime, but then they got colder and 358 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:19,240 the wind kicked up, and for some reason, it gets foggy around here 359 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,200 a lot. Sometimes it's from people's fireplaces too, you know, it's just 360 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:29,880 like ladies in an area. And uh, I guess depending on the wind, 361 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:34,000 you know, how fast it's going to move out or whatever. Thinking 362 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:38,000 that's that guy that was honking at it didn't make it angry. I was 363 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:44,200 concerned about him too, because he didn't look like and every day John or 364 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:51,880 a Joe. He was wild looking. Yeah, so that's why I stayed 365 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680 at the door. I kind of thought, you know, maybe once he 366 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,000 turned around he came back and found out that it was a dead end street 367 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,720 that he couldn't go through, that he would have at least came back up. 368 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,039 And well he did, but you know, like I said, he 369 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,480 got that phone call and started arguing with them, and then he just put 370 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,559 his song, throw his phone in the car seat and just take off and 371 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,839 peel wheels and make a left turn and then a simple maybe he'll come back 372 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:24,359 to next day. But I haven't seen him since. I'm not surprised. 373 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,200 I don't think that guy's a fee. If you're called a sack, I 374 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,640 can understand why do Yeah, And like I told you, these sightings, 375 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:44,359 these other sightings that people have had are not far from my cabin three thirteen 376 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680 is a route which is a right down the street for me less than a 377 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,400 half a mile. There were two in that area. Then there was one 378 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:58,319 up the opposite end of where my cabin is, going into the other direction. 379 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:04,160 And then there was a big it siting that was spotted by a fireman 380 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,679 and his father coming home from the firehouse from a meeting. So I'm like, 381 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:14,280 is there like an area where all these things are, you know, 382 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,039 because there's woods all the way around. I don't know, I don't know. 383 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,960 Yeah, it does sound like you live in a cryptic hotspot. Wow, 384 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,079 that's a lot of them around you. I mean I have gone out 385 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:32,800 into the side of my carport that's where there's a big piece of grass property 386 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,320 with trees and stuff like that. And I have seen fox, I've seen 387 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:45,159 deer, and you know, my neighbor has seen bear and all sorts of 388 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,599 things. I mean, in my street coming into well, I don't want 389 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,400 to call my studio community, but I mean it's just houses on the left, 390 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,519 houses on the right, wanted to very bottom, and then that's it. 391 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,800 You'd have to come out of my street, go left and go right, 392 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,760 and then it's all single homes that are spaced apart, pretty far apart. 393 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:13,440 You know. It's like when you make a right hand turn, you'll 394 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,559 see a house, but then you won't see a house for a while, 395 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,840 and then you'll see another house, and then you won't see another one for 396 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,400 a while. And it's like that on both sides. So there's plenty of 397 00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:30,400 wood lines and wooded area in the area. Unfortunately, it sounds to me 398 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,199 like a great place for a dog me and make a living. Could be 399 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,599 well. I tell you, I pray every day that I don't have to 400 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:43,400 go through this again. I don't want to see another one. I mean, 401 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,000 that's the first one. I was concerned. I was puzzled, I 402 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:52,239 was. It stayed on my mind. But that second one, that second 403 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,079 one did it. I can understand why that'd be so traumatic. But you're 404 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,400 okay and never harmed you. It could have. It had every opportunity to 405 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:06,000 harm you, but it didn't do that. So I hope you never lose 406 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,719 sight of that fact. Oh I will, good man. I hope you 407 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,599 never do. Yeah. But it's you know, like I've said it on 408 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:16,880 a daily basis, it's still in my mind. I mean, at any 409 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,920 second, it just it just pops up when it wants to. Oh, 410 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,760 I'm sure it doesn't, Like I said, that's totally natural. It's just 411 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,599 one of those things. It will such a profound experience it you're gonna think 412 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:34,039 about it all the time. And if it's nighttime and I have to come 413 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,719 out to the cardboard to take a little small bag of trash or something or 414 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,880 a recycle, as soon as I touch it door, nob, I'm like 415 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,280 m And my wife's like, please be careful for I said, I will, 416 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,559 But I gotta light out there now. Saw. All I do is 417 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,119 just flick the switch, and my card poard and my driveways lit up. 418 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,599 But it doesn't go all the way out to the street though, twice bitting 419 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,400 three times shy. Yeah, you can go out in the middle of my 420 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:07,599 street and look down and you're going to see as a red blinking light. 421 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,639 I'm not sure what that red blinking light is for, but it sits all 422 00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:15,239 the way down at the call to sacle, all the way at the bottom. 423 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,440 I'm not sure what that red blinkt I've never gone down to to what 424 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,760 that red blink in lights four. But that's the only thing you can say. 425 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,920 You can't tell what's in the distance if you're looking down my road. 426 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,280 Yeah, it does sound pretty desolate and isolated. But well, like I 427 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,000 said, that sounds like a great place to live to me. When it 428 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:38,840 came down to your street and stood up, how tall would you say it 429 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,880 was? Oh? Well, vic, im six foot It was taller than 430 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,199 me, but not too much taller, so I would say almost seven foot 431 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:58,320 six something. And the first one, like I said, didn't look like 432 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,920 it was any longer than four deep if that's all. The taller that second 433 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:08,519 one was. It was also a young one, Yeah it was. It 434 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:14,880 was the best way I could describe it. It looked like a werewolf or 435 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,880 an ugly creature from a horror movie one steroids. That's the best way I 436 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,199 can put it. Not to raise unhappy thoughts, but just imagine after it 437 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,960 grows up what it's going to look like. I never did really research, 438 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,960 you know, as far as the part how big they get? How big 439 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,360 do they get? Well, you can have a big meal that's twelve feet 440 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,199 tall. Oh my gosh. But understand though, if you run into the 441 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,159 big ones, they're a lot less likely to mess with you than the smaller 442 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:51,079 ones are. Almost every encounter that you're going to hear about is where a 443 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,760 smaller one, a juvie, decides to mess with a person, not a 444 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,440 twelve footer. It does happen where people bump into eleven footers twelve footers, 445 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,119 but normally you're not going to find the big ones actually going out of the 446 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,639 way to mess with you. But then again, you're talking about mature on 447 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:14,159 this hand versus immature on this hand. After you meet it inside, Dave, 448 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,960 you got your gun out, you said, what kind of gun was 449 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:23,440 it? Nine? No means oh, yeah, you know I thought about 450 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:30,840 that. After I did that, I'm like, probably wouldn't even done anything. 451 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,519 Well, would have made a mad Yeah, it's just you know, 452 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,679 unnatural interstinct for me. Oh sure, you were so rattled that any source 453 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,960 of comfort that you could possibly get your hands on is what you're going to 454 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,719 head for. So it's only understandable that you wouldn't got your gun out and 455 00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:53,239 kept it there ready in hand. What's your wife's take been on these two 456 00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:01,559 encounters. Does she seem to believe you? She got scared her at first? 457 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,039 She was saying things to me and like I'm not going out there and 458 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,840 sit at like I'm like sure you will, I said, I'll be right 459 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,719 there with you. But she joked around with me a few times, you 460 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,559 know, like I said, when i have to go out to the car 461 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:22,559 poort, because I'm not like keeping even a small bag of waste, you 462 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:24,639 know, from dinner or whatever. If I have to go out to the 463 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,280 car poard, she a few times had said to me, you better watch 464 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,920 you like watch what oh? And then I'm you know, I'm like, 465 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,320 okay, let's see what you're saying. I said, no, I'll be 466 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:43,519 all right. So I go out there and now I'm waiting for a raccoon 467 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,679 to be out there, and you know, go out there and put something 468 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,400 to trash, you can't get it a turnaround and then here this, like 469 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,519 you know, the noise they make to get away. So I don't know, 470 00:40:55,559 --> 00:41:00,920 well, I hope a raccoon doesn't terrify you like that. You frightened 471 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,519 her by telling her. You said, with that in mind, do you 472 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:07,559 wish you would have kept those encounters to yourself. I wish that would have 473 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:13,440 kept it to myself because, you know, like I said, at first, 474 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,119 she was not wanting to, you know, go outside and sit and 475 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,480 relax and you know, get some fresh air, and and I'm like, 476 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,519 you know, I said to myself, look what I did, you know? 477 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,039 But then you know, she's okay. Now, I say, let's 478 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:35,599 go out and sit under the carboard, get her chairs out. She's fine. 479 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,039 Oh good, I'm glad she's doing better now. And please keep in 480 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,880 mind, if she ever thinks that she'd feel better, she could speak with 481 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,199 me about dog men and about your encounters. All I have to do is 482 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,719 just let her know and let me know I'd be happy to schedule that conversation 483 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,760 if it's going to help her feel better and deal with the fact that you 484 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,440 two live in dog in the country right, Well, you know the information 485 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480 that you shared with me, I shared with her about the odds of being 486 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:05,599 attacked. And uh, She's like, yeah, but you never know. 487 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,199 I'm like, true, but you know she's right, you never do. 488 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,679 But that's life. Has there been a time since he had that second encounter 489 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,599 where you think that maybe one of those two dogged men might have come back 490 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:24,920 around, Dave? You know, I was gonna put a trail cam out, 491 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,320 but I was told you're wished in your time. Well, Brian told 492 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,960 me, he said you'd be washed in your time. Because they keeps them 493 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:38,039 away because they can see it the led lights or oh yeah, yeah, 494 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:42,679 they can normally see that. And when you say Brian, he's talking about 495 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,199 Brian Tyrrell. I put him into contact with Brian because I thought it might 496 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:51,199 benefit him to have a conversation with Brian, and no surprise, it did 497 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:59,079 benefit him. We talked about He said he had a woman call him about 498 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:05,639 a dog man encounter and he mentioned to me that she believed it had something 499 00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,559 to do with her trash. So he said, you might want to look 500 00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:16,360 at your two dates and see if both of those dates were a trash day. 501 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,519 That's like, really okay, I said, Oh, I'll look at 502 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:28,199 the dow dates and compare them and see what I get. That was a 503 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,519 good idea, because yeah, they do go through trash. He said that 504 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,360 you're not losing sleep, but I'm still a little confused. Here were you 505 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,840 at with all this present day, Dave? Are you having any problems dealing 506 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,000 with those two experiences or when you think about it, are you just reflecting? 507 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,760 Uh, I don't think it's bothering me where it's causing me to lose 508 00:43:51,760 --> 00:44:00,239 sleep. Regardless, I lose sleep because of the diabetes with neuropathy. But 509 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:06,000 I could lay there and I noticed some nights, I'll lay there and think 510 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,639 about a number of things, and then all of a sudden, dog Man 511 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,199 the encounter pops up in my mind, and I'll start thinking about it for 512 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,599 I don't know, ten fifteen minutes, and if I can't sleep, I'll 513 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,480 get up. But no, I'm not losing sleep. I'm pretty much okay 514 00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:30,559 being able to fall asleep. But like I said, there's times where I 515 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,519 can't sleep because of neuropathy. Well, it goes without saying, I'm so 516 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,599 glad to hear that the dog mean encounters aren't what's keeping me up. I 517 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,800 hate to hear about the neuropathy, though, and the fact that that is. 518 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,400 But at least the dog mean encounters aren't traumatizing you so much that you 519 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:52,400 can't function. Thank Goodness for that. It's nowhere as near as bad as 520 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,800 it was for the second encounter. That night when it happened, like I 521 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,440 said, I couldn't sleep the rest of the night. And then you know, 522 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:06,679 in the next few days after that, I was okay being able to 523 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:12,679 fall asleep. But the first three or four days after the second encounter was 524 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:19,440 constantly on my mind. I just couldn't get it, like, Okay, 525 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,039 can you go away for a while, let me think about something else, 526 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,679 let me do something else. But now it was there for good three or 527 00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,159 four days and then you eatse lp, and like I said, I don't 528 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,599 lose sleep over it. I've been pretty much okay ever since. Well that's 529 00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,199 great. Yeah, sounds like you got over your encounter as much quicker than 530 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,079 most I witnesses get over there. So I'm glad you're able to deal with 531 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,360 it so well. You have relatives in West Virginia who have had a dog 532 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,559 and encounter their own. What did they tell you about their experience? Well, 533 00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:01,039 Mike cousint she got up about four o'clock in the morning. She had 534 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:06,760 to go pick her boyfriend off from work. He had worked over a night, 535 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:14,199 and she was going off the property and she made a left one to 536 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:21,679 the road and as she was driving, she saw three deer. And let 537 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,679 me say this, it had just gotten daylight when she left, so it 538 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,639 was just starting to get daylight now. When she made the left, she 539 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:35,000 said, she saw three deer running towards her, so she had to come 540 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:42,079 to a stop. When the deer saw her stop two ran off one side 541 00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:46,079 of the road, one ran off the other side, and right behind it 542 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:54,440 was this massive black looking dog standing on two legs, and she said it 543 00:46:54,559 --> 00:47:02,440 was about eight nine feet tall. She said it was humongous and she didn't 544 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,320 know what to do, so she was thinking should up blow the horn and 545 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:14,000 try to scare it off? She said she just sat still, so it 546 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,480 dropped and it ran off. She went and picked up her boy friend came 547 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,320 back. She told him about it and he laughed at her. Oh. 548 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:29,559 About a month later, him and another one of my cousins that lives on 549 00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:35,920 the property were getting in the car and they were driving. It's a dirt 550 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,679 road that comes off the property that comes out to the main road. As 551 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:47,800 they were going down the dirt road, this black looking dog creature was running 552 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:57,000 alongside the car and keeping up with them. So my cousin said, the 553 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:02,159 black dog looking creature was running next to the car, so he decided to 554 00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:05,920 slam when the brakes, and when he did, it kicked up a lot 555 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,519 of dirt and dust and they're like looking left, looking right, looking to 556 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:15,599 see where this thing was. And he said, they sat still in the 557 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:22,519 car until the dust kind of settled and when it settled, the thing was 558 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:27,239 standing on its hind legs about ten feet away off the side of the road, 559 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,039 just staring at him. And then it just took off, dropped the 560 00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:37,320 all fours and took off. So when he went back, you know, 561 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,440 to his girlfriend, he's like, Okay, I got something I have to 562 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,320 share with you, he said, I believe you now about your story, 563 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,440 but now I got one to tell you. So he told her, and 564 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,679 they compared notes, and the one that he saw, he could tell that 565 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,840 it wasn't exactly the one she saw because it was a little bit smaller than 566 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:07,360 the ones she had seen. And another thing about their property is when my 567 00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:15,159 nephew goes out to go hunting or and do some work on the land, 568 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,800 he has found footprints, he has had things thrown at him. He has 569 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:27,119 heard screams like a like a woman screaming. And he said he pretty much 570 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,519 hears that late at night when he's sitting out on the back deck. And 571 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,360 up in the hills because they live in the I mean rate dead smack behind 572 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,920 the house is the appellation, and it's a hill that goes way up and 573 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:46,880 you know, starts going up into the mountains and they've found huge, not 574 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:54,440 big footprints, but they believe it to be dog man prints in the dirt 575 00:49:54,519 --> 00:50:01,360 area in the mud, and they've had people look at the prince and they're 576 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:07,320 like, no, that's that's too big to be a coyote, or you 577 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,199 know, yeah, coyote, Prince, don't get that big. Dave, 578 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,199 I can't thank you enough for coming on ensuring the details of those experiences with 579 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,679 us. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you for having me 580 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,719 on. It's been an honor. What's been an honor having you on. 581 00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:28,400 Thanks against so much for your time, and have a great night.