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Streaming live on the iHeart Radio Whip. This is I on the Ball with

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Steve Ribera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox
Sports fourteen fifth Day. Hey, welcome

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that to on I'm about here on
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, He's

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Jane. Now we have Jason with
breaking news. Jayden Delora has been named

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to the Manning Award watch list.
Crazy you know another you know another,

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another player, just it's so long
since Arizona's head and got one. Is

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the last time Arizona had a quarterback? Maybe never on a watch list?

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On a quarterback, collil Google,
I'll take yeah. He was a Heisman

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candidate for a little while, for
a blink, for blink of an eye,

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Blue Sports Illustrated cover the worst thing
to happen. You know that year's

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Oregon State Arizona game was on today. It was flipping channels, stopped stopped

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by for you know a few minutes, and watch had just shook my head

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and said, gosh, dang,
and what the hell you know, you

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can't have nice things in Arizona football. So anyways, it depressed me a

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little bit. Arizona a woman basketball
will tip off against Memphis in the Bahamas

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on a Saturday, November eighteen,
twelve thirty. This game is going to

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be a part of the Battle for
Atlantis tournament. The winner of that game

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will be playing against Old miss and
Howard. You know, I think I

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think I saw too that that that
they started in in the Caribbean, the

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year they went to the right.
But then I also remember that Arizona men

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went oh and three in the Battle
for Atlantis, and I was happy to

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me in Vegas that weekend and I
bet on the first game. Sure they

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lost. I was just okay,
they're not gonna lose again. I was

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just gonna ask you if you yeah, they're not gonna lose again. I

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bet on them again, and they
lost that now they're really not gonna lose

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again, and then they did again
without question. In fact, I think

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before the season started, I know
Luke had said this, and I know

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people were saying this, it had
potentially be one of the best teams ever

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ever with with the guys that we
talked about, Treer and Alkins and and

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and Aiden. Obviously and Ristic was
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and then you saw what you saw. It was a disaster from the start.

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And I don't know if you remember
this, but and it was not

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consistent all year. And and I
did this story because I can remember it

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like history. Uh, Sean says, I'm not sure I can get through

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to these guys. I can't get
remember he said, And then and then

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I remember writing that, and then
he walked it back. But you know,

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he doesn't say, he doesn't say
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says he knows what he says,
and he means what he says. And

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he just couldn't he couldn't rally them. Yeah. No, he never did.

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And I mean I guess he did. He did in the Pact tournament,

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but that was that was a three
day stretcher because a week later it

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was unraveled for good. Yeah.
Yeah. And and to me that was

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the beginning of his I mean,
it was all the FBI stuff, but

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in terms of on the court,
yeah, that's where it started to end.

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Yeah. I think though that he
had to do some reevaluation, especially

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now when he kind of said the
year off who that was kind of like,

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Okay, maybe I need to change
a few things. Yeah, But

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yeah, I remember that we could
do three days of how is this happening?

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Yeah? How is this happening?
It didn't happen at third time,

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third time, three times, three
games one after that, and again I

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just thought they were two three in
the country. Yeah, they can't lose

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again, or they did, and
well then now they really can't lose again,

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and then they did. I was
upset, to say the least.

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I didn't throw anything, though,
as I recall every biggest you might have

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been arrested. I could have been. Yeah, all right. The Colts

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have named first round pick Anthony Richardson. I was there starting quarterback for the

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regular season. It's gonna be interesting. He hasn't played a lot of games.

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Hold above first preseason game. Did
you see how he was. He's

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an athletic guy. Yeah, he
was leads it pretty good. Yeah.

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The biggest question longer, I guess, is his accuracy. Right, he

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threw an interception the first kind of
draw. It was really bad, bad

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inception. But yeah, he ran
well, he moves around the pocket well,

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feel like very he's strong. But
his accuracy is the biggest question mark

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with them. So the guy that
did pretty well was the kid from Bennett

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who's Bennett? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. So would

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you rather have a guy like the
kid Indianapolis or the dude who doesn't really

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run fast or do all these things, but he's just a steady dude,

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steady him. You want a consistent, steady guy, a quarterback musician,

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right, ye, sure, you
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that that people, you know,
you can't have bad QB and good QB.

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You gotta have right pretty good QB
all the time. Although that dude

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Indianapolis untalented, like yeah, buddy, I mean they, you know,

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develop him the right way. He
could be one of the best, you

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know, upcoming young he's he's got
the physical tools. Yeah yeah. But

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then you get Bennet, who's just
the normal dude who kind of just gets

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the job done, play smart,
you know, doesn't do anything too out

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of his you know, withs He
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and brysing Young has also won this
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be the weak one started as well. He was number one pick. Yeah.

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Yeah, well it's not always the
case. Sometimes they yeah, sometimes

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they they wait, but who did
they have, who's the backup? Who's

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his Carolina is a Carolina I don't
remember the top of my head, but

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it's not it's not minshow because he's
yeah, he's he's yeah, yeah,

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he's yeah. I can't remember the
top of my end, but it's a

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veteran guy behind him. So and
then c J. Stroud also is most

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likely gonna be the start as well. So it's kind of all these rookies

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that are getting the start fire baby, yeah, yeah, and yeah.

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I was gonna say, how did
you guys see how they also looked in

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their preseason openers. It wasn't It
wasn't great. I mean they both kind

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of just looked. I mean we
CJ. He threw a horrible pick.

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Yeah, first this first past was
it was a pig. I mean it's

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like Steve, you could have picked
up I don't know about you might have

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even running for a touchdown. He
walked it into. I think the biggest

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concern for them isn't damns like their
team, like the old line in Carolina

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and with the Texans, it's not
good. So even Don Bryce Ung he

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looked great composed when I was watching
him play, he just didn't have time

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to, you know, get the
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too. What do you make of
these short quarterbacks? I think they're gonna

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have a heart because like Kyler Murray, like Kyla Murray, you know,

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you can run around. He's athletic, but he got he got hurt in

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two seasons. So I feel like
they're gonna have a tough time actually get

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those guys are scary. Yeah.
I wouldn't put millions into that, would

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you, because it was like like
Bryce, you kind of but you almost

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kind of have to steve. I
mean, okay, what do their fans

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do if they don't draft Bryce Young
or you know, you get it.

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It's an investment in that. Not
only do you want to win games,

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but you gotta get butts in the
seats. And if you don't get a

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quarter if you don't have a quarterback
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the seats, then you know,
what the hell are you doing? No?

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I get it. Guess what Arizona
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doors are tall. He's six he's
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Yeah, they say he's five.
Knight cleats around town. I'm five

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eight and shrinking. I used to
be five nine. Okay, have you

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guys seen the ESPN Top one hundred
players for college college football? They released

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their list today actually, and Jacob
Cowen's number thirty eight on the list.

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Duran Singer, he's fifty two on
the list, and obviously number one is

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Caleb Williams. Number two Brock Brock
Bauers from I'm Georgia, he is number

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two. And they have mar Marvin
Harrison junior from Ohio State. He's number

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three our receiver. Now, why
did I think Marvin Harrison Junior had gotten

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drafted. I thought he was gone. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be

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gone this year probably. Yeah.
Number four was a linebacker from Elshu I'm

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Harold Perkins Junior. Number five with
the quarterback from North Carolina, Drake Maya

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may yep. Number six was quarterback
from Washington On Michael Peanut junior. Uh

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seven was running back from Michigan like
Korham. Eight was a Florida State quarterback

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Jordan Travis, and then nine was
the lineman from Florida State Jared Verse.

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And ten was Michael Williams from Georgia. Guys up there. Yeah, so

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that was the top ten. I
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Steve. There's already six five teams
to pick from. I mean everyone says

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there's gonna be better teams, but
Ohio State Michigan. I feel like I'm

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gonna have to root for Ohio State
in Michigan, and I don't want you

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gonna You're gonna cheer for hardball.
I don't want to, but I don't

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want Georgia to win it again.
And I don't am Alabama either, and

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I don't want else. So there's
five those those are it's one of those

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five teams? Yeah, I mean
it's gonna be. That's something stupid has

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to happen for to not be one
of those five. That's why basketball is

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fun because you don't ever know it's
gonna win. Come, who would you

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can? Who had you man?
San Diego State? I can't if you

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want me to? You do you
think you h Chris Chris stops Porzingia is

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confirmed he has planned parastis. Oh
yeah, oh yeah. I mean he's

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been dealing with like a lingering injury
for a while. Now he's confirmed that's

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what it is. That's a bad
thing, yeah, especially for a basketball

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player. Definitely is. So you
know the Celtics were looking towards him.

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You're going to be their next No
kind of big you know, piece she

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helped him get to that championship.
But if he's kind of just jelled that

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injury the whole season, he may
not be able to be the guy that

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they wanted to be. No,
no, no, that's one of those

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things that's just not good for Yeah, a basketball player and a half for

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sure. So yeah, that was
all the breaking news I have for today.

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All right, Uh, story in
the Arizona Republic, Razy Central by

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Michelle Gardner. She did an interview
with Brett your Mark, the commissioner of

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the Big Twelve, and he said
they are done sixteen teams. That's it,

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so stop talking about uh, you
know, Cal and Stanford stopped talking

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about Oregon State in Washington State where
at twelve he said they weren't sure if

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they were gonna go to They're just
gonna stick at fourteen or sixteen. He

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also did say that the four corner
schools individually, He talked to them individually,

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so each one of them was sort
of a separate discussion before all four

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of them, you know, decided
to decided to go. But uh,

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and all which all happened after Washington
and Oregon went in. But you know,

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reading some of this stuff like again
to that comment that I made at

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the end of the last segment that
I do feel much better about the leadership

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of the conference in the Big twelve
and your Mark's aggressiveness. You know,

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he's not afraid of anybody, so
that you know when this next realignment comes

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up, that you know, the
Big twelve, it's not going to be

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the best sc yor the Big ten, but it's going to be in a

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better position than the a SEC and
the and the PAC twelve is just going

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to be gone. So I feel
that the Arizona is in as good a

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spot as it could be in.
Yeah, that's some of the conversations well,

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of course of grad Alice in a
few minutes. Yeah, do you

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know what the anniversary is today?
And you'll never guess this and that's anniversary

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or something. Yeah, twenty three
years anniversary. I'm trying to do the

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math. You'll never never hear two
thousand, two thousand, I don't know

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the day that Sean Elliott had it
could transplant from his brother. Yeah,

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kenra Drikus, who I know,
you know, the former two son citizen

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guy, the guy I who left
and I replaced him way back in the

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day. I did a story on
it, and today it's the twenty three,

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twenty thirty year anniversary. I remember
that time. I was sitting in

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my house, uh young married at
the time, and the Dawn hal Field

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in them said you're gonna get on
a plane and you're gonna go to San

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Antonio and spend time in San Antonio. I said, Okay, what's going

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on? What what? So I
took all my bags and went. I

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jumped on a plane and just like
the next that night or the next day,

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and spent a week in San Antonio. And it was it was bizarre,

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bizarre how because one I didn't expect
to be there, and then you're

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waiting for news about Sean that this
is all surprised. You know here he

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was gonna get it when it happened, with it from his brother Noel.

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Yeah, and so they celebrate this
day apparently every year since. Man,

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that thing has got to keep working. Yeah. Yeah, and he played

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and he played after that, Yeah, which was amazing. That was a

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hero of that. I don't think
I would have got out of bed the

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rest of my life. Yeah.
So you know, obviously a fantastic story.

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So no, congrats to them.
Oh you'll like this College Basketball Report

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just posted something. It's got uh
sixteen schools on it asking are they a

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college basketball blue blood? Wait?
Wait, what's the what's the question?

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Are they a college basketball blue bloob? Who's the sixteen teams? College basketball?

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Okay? North Carolina? Okay,
who's the who's the source? College

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basketball Report? Okay, so there's
sort of a big game boomer. Yeah,

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College basketball Report, yes, real
quick, North Carolina yes, Connecticut

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no, yes, Michigan State they
say, yes, okay, Michigan State

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no no no, Indiana yes yes, Georgetown no no, correct, Villanova

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yes, blue blood Probably not no
because they're more recent. Kentucky yes ye,

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Syracuse no, no, dude,
yes, Kansas yes, Louisville no

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no, yes, Cincinnati no,
North Carolina State no, Ucla yes,

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Michigan no. They might say yes, but no no, Arizona no,

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no, no. They have one, two, three, but six,

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four, five, six, seven
eight, blue bloo. That's a that's

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a stretch. Who they say Louisville. They said Louisville. I don't think

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that's that's a that's a different one. I don't think Louisville one. I

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guess you got to say Yukon they've
got five championship, right, But that's

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that's that's a recent that's in a
recent time because see, to me,

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blue Blood has gone, Yeah,
you've been good for so fifty years,

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it might any more any more evidence. No, just leave this is a

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big fight we have. Just leave
me alone. Leave me the hell alone.

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I don't want to talk about this
anymore. I'm hosting the show by

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myself the rest of the day.
All right, brad Allis coming up.

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We're gonna do We're gonna do the
last eulogy on the PAC twelve with the

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Brad Allis from Wildcat Sports Report,
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is I on the Ball with Steve
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Ball. Hey, welcome back to
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Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve
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the phone, we have Brad Alice
from the Wildcats Sports Report. Brad,

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how are you then? Before before
you answered that, I thought, when

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I was listening to your podcast,
I had Abraham Lincoln, uh, listening

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to the Gettysburg address. Holy Mullier. It's amazing. Now with the AI

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can do I literally just plug that
in whether it's AI program and it wrote

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that itself, so probably played your
eyes several you know, beat writers.

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That's where we're at with technology.
I would have no idea what the hell

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I was doing there. I'm afraid
that what it would say in my you

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know, in my voice. So
hey, So you know you called it

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a eulogy to the PAC twelve.
First of all, we all, I

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mean certainly agree that that's where it's
headed. But you know kind of your

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thoughts on putting that together and and
why you called it a eulogy and what

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you were trying to get a us
Well, you know, when when I

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think about you know, there's a
lot of people who's to blame, whether

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it was Larry Scott, whether it
was Lavia Koff, whether it was usc

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UCLA, whether it was Frankly Robbins
in Arizona. To me, even if

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the Pact twelve survives, once you
got rid of some of the big players,

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the conferences, we know it is
over. You know, best case

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scenario is you add those Mountain West
teams drading SMU, and maybe a few

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of them come back to their former
glory. Maybe UNLV, you know,

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is two thirds of what they were
under Tark. Maybe SMU is two thirds

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of what they were under the Pony
Express and it's it's a good league again,

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but more than likely it's going to
be, you know, if it

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survives the Mountain West Part two.
So I thought it was fitting to kind

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of say goodbye well at the same
time kind of pointing some fingers and explain

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exactly why, you know, the
league disintegrated, you know to two years

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ago it was a strong league and
we're heading into a football season that should

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be you know, the crowning achievements
said it's going to be the Swan song.

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But later on they she'll will ask
you your best moments in it.

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But I don't know if you're an
agreement with me. The best situation as

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hope for happened, right, They're
going to a pretty good conference and should

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be very competitive in that conference.
Or the strong commissioner, Yeah, yeah,

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you know it's a conference other than
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it's got the most forward thinking commissioner. He was putting a lot of his

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eggs in the college basketball basket.
I think he was looking at streaming as

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the future, but not the immediate
future like the PAC twelve was, and

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you know one in many ways,
Arizona because of that basketball tradition about because

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of U you know, softball and
baseball, and because Arizona fans of loyal

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and they do stream games. I
mean, you saw Twitter yesterday when Arizona

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was playing a glorified rec league team
from from Israel that you know, people

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were clamoring to find that stream.
So Arizona fans of loyal you know,

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from a football standpoint, I actually
think it's a slightly better move than the

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Pac twelve. While is certainly it's
a deeper league than the Pac twelve is

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there's no USC, There's there's really
not even a Washington. You know,

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teeth us very good now, but
will they be for going on. You

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know, Baylor has been good in
recent memory, but we don't know there's

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there isn't an Oklahoma or a Texas
or Ohio state. So that bodes well

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maybe for Arizona winning the league.
Ground Now that being said, when you're

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you know, eleventh best program is
Arizona or Colorado, that's still a really

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strong league. Basketball. Arizona is
going to be just fine. They might

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have a few more losses here and
there, but they're actually probably be a

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better team come come March. So
yeah, that's kind of the way I

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look at the future of Arizona in
the Big twelve. You know, you

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spend a good amount of time talking
about how you know, I think it's

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sort of an overlooked thing that you
know, the Pac twelve cities we're all

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major cities, you know LA,
you know, San Francisco or the Bay

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Area, you know, Seattle,
of you know, Phoenix, that in

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that you know, what people think
about think about those UH cities as big

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TV markets from a finn interest standpoint, it's not even what it is.

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And say, ok, you know
in Stillwater or Lubbock, I mean they're

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they're you know, there's probably more
attention paid to you know, to those

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college teams in those cities then in
you know, in LA and San Francisco

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and stuff like that. And I
thought that that was a really good point.

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Well, you know, if you
look at it, you know,

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USC football does very well in LA, but USC basketball doesn't play in La.

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Ucla basketball. But Steve, you've
been to Polly. How many times

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have you ever been to Polly when
it was sold out? Uh? Now

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do that same thing at fog Allen. You know, a SU used to

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be a bigger deal, but now
it's third, fourth behind you know,

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all these tro teams. So you
know calum Stanford are are fans to their

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alumni and their neighbors and and that's
about it. They don't play it in

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the Bay Area. Conversely, you
know, these are the draws in town.

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Even in Kansas basketball, even though
they're forty five minutes from Kansas City.

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I could tell you with tons of
family in Kansas City. They're number

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two behind the Chiefs in Kansas City
and they're number one in Laure's. Yeah,

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so it's yeah, it's a dedicated, loyal fan base. And I

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get it. Yeah, if ninety
percent of Stillwater, Oklahoma is watching a

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football game, that's still not as
good as fifteen percent of at Los Angeles.

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But it's a very you know,
very loyal fan base that's going to

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pay attention to these games. Yeah, and I'm sure the TVs and everybody

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behind that know what they're getting into, right, because they get that fan

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base, they get that loyalty.
And my guest, and I haven't seen

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these numbers, but my guess is, if again I'm gonna you still out

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to Oklahoma, I'm guessing if TCU
is playing Texas Tech, you're going to

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get a pretty big share of stillwater
maybe keeping an eye on those games compared

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to I'm guessing the average fan in
LA is not watching Oregon Utah. So

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again, are you only need a
fraction of that lay audience. But if

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you're talking about people who stream and
people who are going to be dedicated,

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and people who are gonna watch multiple
games on the Saturday, you want a

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college town, you don't want to
protest? Yeah? No, I mean

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how many people east of the Rockies
watched you know, Colorado Arizona? Right?

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I mean unless you unless you've got
some juice on that game, which

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is probably quite a bit. No, not a whole lot. Yeah,

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exactly. So you you went around
and you know there's plenty of blame to

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go around, and then in the
end you kind of penned on USC and

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UCLA leaving that maybe none of this
happens if they don't leave. But then

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again, you know what did how
did George Lavkov not know that? You

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know, what did Larry Scott do
to kind of make them think about that?

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I mean, in the end,
you know, where do you think

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this thing lands or does it?
Do we care if it lands on somebody?

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No? I would say this.
I think the day the Pac twelve

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died was the day USC UCLA.
Now they were leaving, but Larry Scott's

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the one who gave him the disease, if you will. As much as

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we love Arizona basketball and we love
Oregon football or Washington football, this league

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was built around USC football UCLA basketball
in Los Angeles, and you just can't

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have I don't think a viable top
tier PAC twelve without LA. And when

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those teams left, and again,
Arizona basketball's great, Stanford basketball has been

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great, it's not UCLA basketball.
You know, Washington has a national championship,

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Oregon has played for national championship.
They're not USC with all those Heisman's,

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right, So once those teams left, the writing was on the wall.

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It just meant what did that writing
say, and whether it's spelled the

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imminent demise or the slow death,
and it was the imminent demise of the

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Pact twelve. Clearly the league was
not a sexiest right. You just you're

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not going to LA. You're not
going to see the two big boys anymore.

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You don't know how good you are. But I agree, and then

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even like you say, they make
it make it up with some other two.

407
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.160
It's still not the same, right, it wasn't gonna be the same.

408
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.279
Yeah, I mean San Diego State's
nice. It's a nice edition.

409
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.160
You know, it's a good rivalry
for Arizona fans. It's not usc football,

410
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.359
it's not UCLA basketball. You know, SMU. Maybe they capture the

411
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.880
hearts of Dallas, but they're they're
the sixth, sixth team in Dallas,

412
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.720
if that you know. I mean, TCU is bigger. The long worms

413
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.559
are bigger there. We all know
that. So yeah, it was going

414
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.759
to be very hard to find a
replacement unless you had rated the Big twelve,

415
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.519
which they probably should have done a
few years ago and didn't. So

416
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.200
once you again, once you lost
those LA schools, you could have been

417
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.400
viable with Arizona and ASU in the
Northwest schools, but it was never going

418
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.880
to be the same, all right. So on the on the podcast,

419
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.160
you gave up your age. You
said you're fifty years old, So that

420
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.799
means you were like five years old
when when the when the Arizona and Sue

421
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.240
went into the went into the pack
dencil. Basically you grew up on the

422
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:57.119
pack. I don't know if you
remember anything from before that, but it's

423
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.279
good. I don't know it.
It's my heart a little bit to see

424
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.519
this happen. I mean, what
about you, No, I mean it

425
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.480
was, it wasn't. It's been
a great league. And whether that's you

426
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.319
know, I mentioned the football success
of the early nineties, whether it's or

427
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.240
I still hey, I remember reading
I don't know which paper it was,

428
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.599
but I remember reading one of the
papers and learning in the newspaper that Arizona

429
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.400
won their share of the I think
they had to beat Washington though, to

430
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.279
win a share of the Pac twelve
and basketball, and I remember getting excited

431
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.720
and knowing that, Okay, I'm
gonna have to go watch, you know,

432
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:32.480
a game on Channel eleven. I
think it was all my Rabbit years,

433
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.119
and then see them win it out
right in the next over the weekend,

434
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.200
or maybe it was that Raycom game, you know. I remember watching,

435
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.880
you know, getting up and geaking
up for the Roles Bowl, wondering

436
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.680
why Tom Hanson wasn't going to let
the h Holiday Bowl become a New Year's

437
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.119
Day Bowl and then get there.
You know, it's not a better chance

438
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:53.519
of New Year's Day, you know, remembering some of those years where you

439
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:59.079
know, Montgomery's UCLA teams, and
then Lavin's or Stanford teams, and Lavin's

440
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.839
UCLA teams. Arizona, I've got
three or four teams in the top seven.

441
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.319
And let's not even forget baseball and
softball and women's sports, and uh

442
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.960
yeah, the Pac twelve was and
is a great league. And unfortunately again

443
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.880
and some of those non revenue might
be the biggest loss to everything. You

444
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:21.160
know, what what that softball league
was, I mean, it revolutionized women's

445
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.039
softball and what it's been not necessary
for Arizona, but for soccer and all

446
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.279
these things. And you know,
now we're going to get to see USC

447
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.720
in the Rolls Wall, but they're
gonna be representing the Rock Conference. You

448
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.759
know, we're gonna see Arizona in
Kansas every year, which is really cool.

449
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.720
But it was also cool, and
you know that was for the trip

450
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.160
to the Final four a few times. So then then it's gonna be crazy,

451
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.680
it's gonna be different, it will
be fun. You know. I

452
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.240
don't know, I'm not necessarily going
to miss those Thursday night basketball games in

453
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.480
Corvallis with seventy four people in the
stands. But in a few years we

454
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.200
may be saying on man, they're
going They're going to Hilton Coliseum again Riowa

455
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.519
State, So who knows, but
it'll be fun and different though. So

456
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.119
the biggest news on this last thirteen
minutes is that you're fifty. I didn't

457
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.880
realize that. I fill off my
chair. That fill off the chair.

458
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.039
So give me your two or three
top moments in the PAC twelve as you

459
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:17.920
covered them, not as growing up
for covering them, you know, certainly

460
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.319
I think one of the games,
and a lot of them are negative,

461
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.160
actually, you know, but Arizona
beating as you to go to when their

462
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.920
share of the PAC twelve south and
and get to play Oregon. I think

463
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.880
obviously the National champions ninety seven of
that wasn't a PAC twelve game. I

464
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.279
mean, you know, ho wass
in banner for the PAC twelve after several

465
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.599
down years, you know, Arizona
winning multiple national championships in baseball were great

466
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:42.400
moments. If you're talking great PAC
twelve games, how about that Asu the

467
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:51.400
tongue candidate game against ANSU what was
that thing? Or even that double ended

468
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.079
badly, but the double overtime,
you know game against Oregon where all the

469
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.319
kids were on the field and I
was trying to protect my laptop while trying

470
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.880
to cover the game. Yeah,
those are all ones that really stand out.

471
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.640
Yeah, a lot of those.
You had to bring up the loss,

472
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.720
but okay, no, but you're
have been negative too. Yeah,

473
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.440
well that's again because you're in Arizona. Yeah, I mean it's Arizona.

474
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.440
We're conditioned for the negative condition.
Well, we've had so many of the

475
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.359
bad ones, right, Hey,
boys were going on a trip, Sure

476
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.200
to bring your band dates. Although
I will say one of my favorites was

477
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:27.240
because you know, Arizona so many
times on the road, you know,

478
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.519
got the got the court rushed against
them. None of the time that the

479
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.200
Arizona fans did it. With Stanford
here and I'm sitting at the at the

480
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.640
scores table and guys are jumping people
jumping onto the court, you know,

481
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.519
stepping on the table on our table
to get up on the court. And

482
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.160
that was in the end, that
was a really cool thing. Although I

483
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.599
thought I wasn't get my head kicked
or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

484
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.920
I think that was right before I
started covering, but I was,

485
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.759
I was probably I had really good
seats for that game, and a friend

486
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:59.079
of my then girlfriend now white received
So yeah, that was a good moment.

487
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.240
I remember that game. Yeah,
it's one of the only times that's

488
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.079
happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no question, and it shouldn't happen

489
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:08.400
at Arizona often. No, no, no anything else. Well, Brad,

490
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.440
So, Okay, last year in
the Pac twelve, Arizona's you know,

491
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.119
in football's you know, on the
move. But how far on the

492
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.599
move are they going to get before
they slip over to the Big twelve?

493
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.960
You know? Unfortunately they'll never get
to say they won that league and should

494
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.000
have been in a roll ball.
But you know, again, I think

495
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.759
they're gonna have a winning record.
I think they're gonna find themselves in a

496
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.319
bowl game, and I think they
are going to enter the Big twelve.

497
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:36.000
At the momentum there, I think
the one that I'm really looking forward to

498
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.319
it just basketball. I think they
have a very realistic chance of being the

499
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:43.839
final Pack twelve champions, at least
the final pack legitimate Pac twelve champion.

500
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.680
I think that's a very good basketball
team. And you know, I think

501
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.240
there's some other good basketball teams,
but they got a legit chance to win

502
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.599
that title. Okay, real quick, we do have a minute left.

503
00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.000
You saw Arizona against how you describe
the Israeli team. What were your thought?

504
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.640
You know, I'm a little more
impressed now that I saw that Kansas

505
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.840
seat and had trouble putting basically that
same team away today. I think Arizona

506
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.960
is what we thought they were.
They're very tall, they're very long,

507
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.119
they're very deep. You know,
they do not have that pure six seven

508
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.400
Sean Elliott wing kite, but I
don't know if they have everything. It's

509
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.320
a little more impressed worth mauricikis than
I thought i'd be. He's maybe a

510
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:23.920
little ahead of where I thought I
was. I'm a little disappointed in the

511
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:29.239
shape Ballow was in. Here's this
guy who's a fifth, sixth year guy

512
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:34.840
who shouldn't be ten pounds overweight entering
the season. But overall considering, I

513
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.440
don't even think they played a great
game. And to win by fifty over

514
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.360
a team that gave an Elite eight
team and I know that Kans seat,

515
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.199
it's not the same game, but
they gave that team all they could handle

516
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.400
today. Yeah, I agree.
I agree with you the same thing with

517
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:51.000
Balow. I totally was surprised about
that, but he has time. Here's

518
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.639
time, and I do like this
team a lot. Okay, Hey,

519
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:59.719
thanks Brad. As always, do
we lose them, we lose is there,

520
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.519
Brad? I mean okay, yeah, thanks, thanks for joining us.

521
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:06.199
And I appreciate you know, was
the last minute, but I always

522
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.239
appreciate you getting on the show with
us. I would lost some fir a

523
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.320
second. Yeah, me too,
don't I agree with most of us stuff,

524
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.480
if not all of it? Yeah? All right, man, Well

525
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.360
there it is. Let's kill it
pact. Paul's done. Wow, we

526
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.239
got to go through the season.
But yeah, I'm through talking about him.

527
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.599
Okay, we record our lives,
all right, Well the til tomorrow.

528
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from you. But whatever, yep, anything. Yeah, you know,

593
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I'm glad we're done talking about it. But man, it's just I just

594
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can't believe we're here with the pact
well just dead the way it is.

595
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.280
It's just it's still See I'm still
stunned by it that after all this time,

596
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that it's it's not just not a
good conference. They killed it.

597
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.000
The conference is dead, especially in
their history and in the in the lower

598
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and all that I know we had
on who do we have on from the

599
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Seattle we had but Withers and he's
written some more columns about the demise,

600
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.679
and all these guys who have been
at most of most of my time here

601
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.559
and way before me, the Gregs
and and those guys. It's just sad

602
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.119
because there are so many great memories. You know, Yeah, back in

603
00:40:58.119 --> 00:40:59.719
the day, you were part of
it. I mean it was Scott,

604
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.119
Look, it was and it was
a lot of fun. I mean the

605
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.639
PAC twelve PAC ten PAC twelve was
a lot of fun, you know.

606
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:07.400
I mean you're going back to the
you know, the first year in the

607
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.440
league, it was Larry Smith's first
year in nineteen eighty. Arizona was still

608
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wearing the U. Not they've been
in for to you, but Larry Smith's

609
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:21.280
first years to me, the first
time you felt like Arizona kind of belonged

610
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.039
in the Pac twelve. They beat
you number two UCLA that year before that,

611
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.360
you know, I mean I remember, you know, we we went

612
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.280
on road trips to UCLA and to
USC and they just got their asses.

613
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.840
Kid. You thought, we're not
in this league yet. But in nineteen

614
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.519
eighty when Larry got here, Larry
Smith got here and they beat UCLA and

615
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.360
you thought, wait a minute,
you know, we we can. And

616
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.639
then the next year they beat number
one USC, and then the next year

617
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.679
they beat they went up and beat
you know, beat Notre Dame, and

618
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.880
then they beat u US. You
know, a su had gotten really good

619
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:52.320
and they beat the hell out of
them, and you just kind of felt

620
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.719
like, Okay, we do belong
here. And that was a cool feeling.

621
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.880
So so let me ask you up
outside of a guy named Frank Kush

622
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.199
outside, because that's when they were
really good, right, what happened because

623
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.800
they're not that team anymore, they're
not that program anymore. The Arizona Cardinals

624
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.119
happened to them, you know,
And that was what nineteen doet players.

625
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.679
It might have ampathy, but not
players. But but but it does affect,

626
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.880
if it does affect players. Up
from the standpoint that you know,

627
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:23.880
if you're if you're being recruited by
ASU, you want to go somewhere where

628
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.480
people are gonna come. And see, they stopped having seventy thousand people at

629
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.079
their games when the Cardinals got there. I mean that place was now And

630
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.039
let's not forget eight nineteen eighty two, that game should have gone to the

631
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.760
Rose Bowl. Nineteen eighty five,
that teams should have gone to Rosebown.

632
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.320
Nineteen eighty six, that team did
go to the Rose Bowl, and then

633
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:44.360
they went again in ninety six.
But you know, the Cardinals showed up

634
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.840
and went eighty eight eighty eight.
You know, that's where that's where it

635
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.400
went south on them, and they
weren't very good. They were good a

636
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.280
couple of times after that. And
so that's what what I think happened.

637
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.480
I think Frank Cush leaving the way
he left he got five also had something

638
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.119
to do with that. And but
he was a heck of a good coach.

639
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.360
He was. He was a great
coach. But he was a great

640
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.880
coach in the whack. Would he
have been a great coach in the pack

641
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:15.239
hen, I don't know. I
don't know, because no way of knowing

642
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.400
that that football program was pretty darned
good. It was really good. It's

643
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.599
just the fall. Because the fall. Look at where they're at now,

644
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.079
yeah, I mean Arizona has never
had that that big of a high,

645
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:29.239
yeah, right, arguably or truthfully
now here they are trying to rebuild,

646
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.840
but the shoe was here now here. They and they they, you know,

647
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.679
I remember back in the day,
they they they used to say,

648
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.760
they said USC was a bigger football
rival to them than Arizona because they're beating

649
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.960
the hell out of Arizona every year. And all of a sudden, they

650
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.079
weren't beating the hell out of Arizona
anymore. And they was kind of like,

651
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:50.440
oh crap. So that had something
to do with that. Right Now,

652
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.320
all of a sudden, Arizona's getting
players the USC that a SC used

653
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.519
to get because Arizona started, you
know, got ahead in the rivalry,

654
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.840
right and including beating two of their
every best teams, all three of the

655
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.960
three best teams they had in the
nineteen eighties all lost Arizona, you know,

656
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.559
eight eighty two, eighty five,
and eighty six, you know,

657
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000
and so I you know, but
to me that for a s U,

658
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.679
it's always been because of all the
other pro sports that came into town.

659
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.519
Then you had you had the Diamondbacks
in ninety eight, ninety seven or ninety

660
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.639
eight. And that was one more
thing that people, and I mean Steve,

661
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.559
before you came to Arizona, you
couldn't get a seated in a SU

662
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:36.039
game. And they they're stadium seated
seventy thousand people. You couldn't get a

663
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.079
ticket to get and and like you're
you're saying, in the nineties that became

664
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.440
a true major league town. Yeah, they just wasn't. It wasn't just

665
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:49.519
the Suns anymore. I mean we
were in the nineteen eighty sixth season,

666
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.639
a bunch of us, a bunch
of the guys that I hang with,

667
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.199
we went to an ANSU football game
to see to see him playing SMU because

668
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.440
that's when sm was, you know, the little other stuff. And we

669
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:01.719
we went up to that game just
because you wanted to see a really good

670
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.320
college football game with two of the
top teams in the country. Yeah,

671
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.760
let me ask you something, just
to change subject, but not really.

672
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.800
Uh, there was a thing I
don't know if Javier asked this question on

673
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:17.880
the internet on Twitter, what would
happen if Tucson could host a or play

674
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.519
host to a w NBA team as
a as an owner. You know they

675
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:29.440
played here. Would it survive a
w NBA team? Ooh, I have

676
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:30.800
my answer, but I want to
hear your I don't think so. I

677
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:37.159
don't think so either. We're exactly, that's what No, exactly. And

678
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.679
we've seen what idea has done here, unbelievable stuff. It's not the same

679
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.519
thing. Yeah, it doesn't translate. Look, there was a reason why.

680
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:50.920
And then my little gig at the
Sugar Skulls that the year that got

681
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.119
canceled, we were going to start
that year with the red out because I

682
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:59.280
it was my idea that we should
go go after the arab go after the

683
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.480
Arizona because those are the sports fans
in town. The sports fans in town

684
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.119
are Arizona fans, and if you
can get them into your arena, you

685
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.840
might be able. You know,
you might be just that and win,

686
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.199
right and then win, but but
you know, you you have to have

687
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.239
some sort of a connection to that, you know, and I think that

688
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.079
in w Now, if a w
NBA team came in here and started getting

689
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:22.800
all Arizona players and stuff like that, which I don't know how viable that

690
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:30.760
makes you In the league, right, maybe, but we're in Arizona town.

691
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.760
We really are. I truly believe
that. And I don't think that

692
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:39.920
if you try to do a D
League team it wouldn't work either, no

693
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:44.719
matter who's playing here. I agree, Yeah, this is a different town.

694
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:51.000
There's there's a certain emotional attachment that
that that this town has to the

695
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.360
Arizona teams. Whatever team. It
could be swimming, it could be tennis,

696
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.000
it could be golf, whatever,
if you're if they're attached to Arizona,

697
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.920
there's an emotional attachment because there's such
an emotional attachment to the school as

698
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.679
a whole in this town. So
I don't know the pro sports, you

699
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.440
know, like that would have a
would have a future here. I think

700
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.119
the Sugar Skulls are doing okay because
they're football at a time there is no

701
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.519
football, and there's and and the
road Winners are doing Roadrunners do okay.

702
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.880
You know there's still some fans that
love those sports. But you know,

703
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:29.159
would a w NBA team go here? I look, I've said for years,

704
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.920
you know, we're not a basketball
town. We're an Arizona basketball town

705
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.639
and the program program. But this
town is an Arizona basketball time it's not

706
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.400
a college basketball town, you know. I don't, And I remember that.

707
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.119
I say that from having worked first
and second round NC DOUBAA tournaments,

708
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.440
that Arizona wasn't here and how easy
tickets were to come by people. You

709
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.599
know, the local fans did not
go see those schools. Those schools brought

710
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.920
their fans and that's how those games
don't those things sold out. You didn't

711
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:12.639
see Arizona fans going to going to
Chale to see Bobby Night and to see

712
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.039
uh you know, you know LSU
came to town, and Wake Forrest came

713
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:25.519
to town with with Tim who,
the San Antonio guy, Tim Duncan.

714
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.000
He played his last college game here
for those don't you know those teams were

715
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:36.719
coming here? You know Arizona fans
weren't going to watch. Disagree with you,

716
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:37.599
I don't, you know, which
is not a surprise. I don't

717
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:39.840
disagree you because I've seen it.
Thank you, Yeah, I seen like

718
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.880
you. And it's what what are
we have a million and a half maybe

719
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:46.639
in this area kind of overall World
War a well over a million. Yeah,

720
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.159
and many of us aren't from here. No, aren't from here.

721
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.960
We don't have an attachment outside of
Arizona, the University of Arizona. I

722
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.360
don't disagree, and I'm you would
know this better than me. To give

723
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.079
me the list of all the ProTeams
that have come here and didn't last,

724
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.639
right, right, the basketball teams, I mean the Tucson Gunners, right,

725
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.400
they were, you know, a
kind of a minor league basketball team

726
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.599
many years ago, many years ago, and we're like back in the seventies.

727
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.519
But you know, there were there
were some you know, there was

728
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.480
there was a professional volleyball here which
he did very well for quite a while,

729
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.480
which the Tucson Sky which was all
which is very fun. But I

730
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:30.440
don't know how many hockey teams going
to the average Uh no past pitch softball,

731
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:32.159
Yeah no, no, no,
But you know you had you had

732
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.880
hockey and a bunch of hockey teams. You had minor league baseball, which

733
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:42.039
we lost, right, and attendance
for that was it slipped down. People

734
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.639
didn't like it over you know,
over on the south side. They wanted

735
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:50.119
it back in High Corbett because it
was easy to get downtown. Yeah.

736
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.639
I know there's been a bunch of
pro teams that baseball lasted the longest.

737
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.280
I mean, Triple A Baseball got
here in sixty nine and left her what

738
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.679
ten years ago, years ago,
something like that. So you know that

739
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.480
that one left, but other you
know, a whole bunch of other pro

740
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.000
sports. I mean, the Sugar
Skills have you know, they've they've been

741
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.159
here four years and they thought they
had a strong year. We've had and

742
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.360
the road Runners continue to be strong. We've got to get back on the

743
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.440
show. We had him a while
back twice now, Edgar Soto, who's

744
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:20.559
who's kind of bread the way to
get some more fans, some more pro

745
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.119
sports out here up on the northwest
side, to see what the prod with

746
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.599
the progress we are on that.
Yeah, because he's had some ideas and

747
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.079
they've had some ideas. Yeah,
well no, but I agree, it's

748
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.679
a it's a funny town, fickle
in a way many ways because it's Arizona.

749
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:36.599
I agree. Well, again gets
back to the point I think.

750
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.559
I think fans here, because Arizona
has had such a long history here,

751
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.239
fans want to be emotionally attached to
their team, and if they're not,

752
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:50.400
Yeah, what's the purpose the point
even for entertainment purpose, you know,

753
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.440
and and you know NFL teams you
know they do get emotionally attack. Well,

754
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.360
I think Mike, Mike Creator who
you had on not long ago,

755
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.000
and we have the clime next week, but he does the Mexican Baseball FA

756
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.920
I don't think you can have that
here long term. Right. It's a

757
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.840
big party for a weekend, right, and you and that it's a great

758
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.119
what it is. Yeah, it's
a lot of fun. You bring out

759
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.519
the food trucks and the and the
music and the bands and the music and

760
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.960
the party. Yeah, and you
can do that for a weekend here.

761
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:22.800
But you know, trying to bring
us baseball pre permanently, maybe somebody can

762
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.840
do some numbers and say yeah it
can work, you know, but uh,

763
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.280
you got to be a hardcore baseball
fan who want to go see that.

764
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.840
Yeah, you know, two sounds
different. I think we're kind of

765
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:38.679
I think it's safety. Say we're
a college sports town. Yeah, And

766
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.599
I agree with you. I mean, you're right. And I'm sure people

767
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.119
are saying Jay doesn't know what he's
talking about. That's most of the time.

768
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.360
But for the for the college,
for the college basketball town, totally

769
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.639
agree. It's an Arizona basketball protest, right, And I and and and

770
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.880
I think in terms of a football
town. I continue to believe we are

771
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.800
a football town. But again,
when football's good, we're not when it's

772
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:07.199
not right, like anything else.
But I think you know, Arizona will

773
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.000
get fifty to fifty five thousand people
in their stadium when they're good, which

774
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:16.320
is big for a town the size
of Yea. And how many times has

775
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:19.760
that happened? Well, it's been
a while. You know, it all

776
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.679
very consistent. I mean the last
time, you know, you know,

777
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.480
No. Twenty fourteen. There are
a lot, a lot of really great

778
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:28.880
crowds that year. I mean that
a SU game at the end was just

779
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:34.400
I mean that was just bananas.
And then those those games when Khalil Taint

780
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.320
was doing what he was doing.
But then that faded away and it's been

781
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.119
craps and then, you know,
it's been a hard it's been a hard

782
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:45.199
sell since then. Okay, wisdom
from Jay, Yeah, make sure you

783
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:53.679
save this, save this podcast.
He's rolling his eyes, he's rolling his

784
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.960
eyes. Yeah, yeah, so
I did. I was right. So

785
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.119
Victor says, Tucson had the Tucson
Heat Pro fast pitch. That's what I

786
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.360
was taking the I think they're the
man, right, the man. Yeah,

787
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:12.000
I can right, that's what I
knew, didn't rock the rose the

788
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.159
roses he was. I think that
good. The break, I think so,

789
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:16.440
I think it way back in the
day. Well that tells you what

790
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.320
I know, because I don't even
remember that. Well, that tells you

791
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.440
that the interest, I mean,
you just wasn't wasn't there? All right?

792
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:23.400
Hey, thanks guys, got to
hit the road. So we'll be

793
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:28.639
back tomorrow. Apostle College Channel four. I'm going sports director will be joining

794
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.679
us, so you sure to be
here tomorrow