WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:27.399 Hey, everybody, it's not Tuesday. It is Friday. For BombCast Revengeance. 2 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:31.280 I'm your host, Jeff Grubb from giant bomb dot com, joined by 3 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:36.039 two very special people from Giant Bomb to More Hussein and Lucy James. How's 4 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:43.600 it going, Tam going well, I'm excited to be on the Revengeance glad 5 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.000 to have you. We are gonna have you. Catch us up on urge 6 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:51.159 tree, give us some more thoughts on that. And then Lucy meanwhile, 7 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:55.359 how them hobbits, what them hobbits do? What them hobbits do? Indeed, 8 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:58.359 Yeah, I played some of Tales of the Shia, so I can 9 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.640 tell you all about that. I also met a Hobbit recently, so this 10 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:06.280 is a very hobbity episode for me. I'm excited. And then I've decided 11 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:11.319 for like for the second section instead of like doing like some game, because 12 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.879 what I wanted to do was a mount rushmore of UK nineteen eighties and nineteen 13 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.239 nineties computers. Maybe if you guys think it's a good idea, because I'm 14 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.239 really what I want is I want you guys to tell me what computers you 15 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.519 grew up with. And if I were to like go back and look into 16 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.519 this what I should do? No, dog pans, don't do it. 17 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:34.519 You're considerably older than us. I well don't remember what I like, I 18 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:40.560 had something. I had something with Windows ninety five on it. The eighth 19 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:46.159 I definitely like, I'm interested that too. Okay, what the conversation is, 20 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.760 it's like, were you okay that? That's fantastic? But really what 21 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.480 I want to talk about it is like what you guys were playing while I 22 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.719 was playing Nintendo? Were you playing Nintendo? Or was there like something else 23 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:00.000 that was like big in your place instead? But we can have that conversation. 24 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:07.120 Let me text Dad James man considerably older, tam No, I'm just 25 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:14.039 messing. No, it's all good. All right. Let's let's start with 26 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.080 elder Ring. Elder Ring Shadow of the Tree. It's out now, launched 27 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:21.319 basically yesterday. Today's really the launch day. Whatever. Everyone's playing it. 28 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.719 It is being described by many people as elder Ring two in a lot of 29 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.159 ways. Tim, do you think that's a fair descriptor? I do not 30 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.479 think that's a fair descriptor very interesting. So how would you how would you 31 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:34.960 describe it to people? I would describe it as DLC for elder Ring. 32 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:43.159 That's you sound you sound like a real asshole. I feel like the way 33 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.719 I say it is that the way I tell people is like they put a 34 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:51.039 Dog Cells game in elder Ring. In terms of like how that's interesting, 35 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.080 what it's, what it's I feel like that's the best encapsulation of what that 36 00:02:54.240 --> 00:03:00.840 game is, because it feels like it feels like elder Ring, but it's 37 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:06.120 tighter in the way that a Dark Cells game would be. The major difference 38 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.039 between it has you know, a field area and overworld if you want to 39 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:15.319 call it that, but the specific areas that you go into they feel like 40 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:20.039 interconnected instead of having like you know, pathways that connect each area, there's 41 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:24.080 still Instead it's just all on like the the main map and you just move 42 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:30.319 between them. So there's like a there's more tissue in between the kind of 43 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:36.120 various muscles of the weird. It's a denser Yeah, it's denser, denser, 44 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.960 but in terms of like also how it's played or like how it plays 45 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:44.520 out, it's roughly thirty hours, which is about the amount of time you'd 46 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:49.800 probably be playing a game like Dark Souls for and yeah, it feels more 47 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:54.400 like a they added a kind of major expansion. I think of it like 48 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:59.479 closer to something like a World of War Cross style expansion minus all the online 49 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.159 stuff, where is like, you know, it's it's me. It's got 50 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.080 a whole new area, it's got new enemies, it's got you know, 51 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:09.280 items and stuff like that. So for me, it feels like more of 52 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.719 an expansion. But we just don't use the word expansion much anymore these days 53 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.639 unless it's outside of mmo's mms just don't get expansion. Yes, I was 54 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:21.879 just thinking that as well. Yeah, so that's pretty much how I describe 55 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:30.959 it and present it to other people. Adult Souls in Elden Ring, And 56 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.959 we talked about this on game as Mornings today, like a lot of people 57 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.120 are finding it very difficult. I'm it was like challenging for me, but 58 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.480 I had to do this thing. So I thought I had a save ready 59 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.800 to go, and apparently I did start New Game Plus and I just forgot 60 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:46.079 and I did. I must have played it for like a couple hours. 61 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.240 So I started up and I'm like, huh, why don't I have any 62 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.360 these the sights of Grace unlock? There's two sites of Grace here. That 63 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.839 doesn't seem like enough. And then I realized I did the new game plus 64 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.439 thing. So I went and grabbed a save file and I had to do 65 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.319 this whole thing to like inject it into the game. It wasn't too difficult. 66 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.639 That is on if people are like wondering if there's a shortcut to do 67 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.360 that, Yeah, yeah it's it's on the like some odd sites, I 68 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.240 think gamers and Nexus or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, it's easy 69 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.360 to do and say, yeah, do you still get achievements if you do 70 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.399 that? Yeah, because it's like it's just a safe stay. Yeah, 71 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:23.959 it's just the same. Yeah. It's also like it doesn't ping any service 72 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:26.399 or anything like that, so you won't get banned for it or anything like 73 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:32.519 Exactly, I could have done this instead of killing killing the Little Modern Palace. 74 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:38.079 Yeah huh. But I feel like if you're I recommend it, if 75 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.839 you're someone that has played a bunch of it and feel confident, Yeah, 76 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.360 if you have, that's my issue. Yeah. If you haven't and you 77 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.800 just grab a save file and go in, you you you have, you've 78 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:54.600 cheated yourself and the game where you what happened to me? Yeah, even 79 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.120 to someone who I beat the game, I played one hundred and fifty hours. 80 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.759 I've been playing really in two years, and I'm playing a couple of 81 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:01.600 care through that is very different than the character. I'm used to a magic 82 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.120 casting character, and now I'm in there with with very much not that a 83 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:09.800 strength build, it seems like mostly and I was like the first mini boss 84 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.680 that came across, I was really struggling. Yeah, that's the thing. 85 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.079 I couldn't get the I could get the timing down on it. Yeah, 86 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.519 so it was rough. You want you want the muscle memory to kick in 87 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.959 again and warm up, you know, the sharpness around how to tackle, 88 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.240 and also like the mentality. It's a different way to play games. And 89 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.839 I feel like if you just jump in aften not playing for you know, 90 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:33.120 since the original release, you will get kicked about a bit. So like 91 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.759 if you're if but if you're the kind of person who's like I played these 92 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.959 games, I'm very confident in this. I just accidentally went into New Game 93 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.240 plus or I lost my savee wile then it's then it's fine, like and 94 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.120 there's yeah, there's files out there that are like, hey, I've collected 95 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.079 every single thing in the game. I've there's that seems to be with this. 96 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.360 Yeah, there's a bunch of Larval tires. So you can also just 97 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:57.600 respect by going to Ranala in Rylacaria, and then you're good. You've got 98 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.839 you can set up your own build and you're good to go. It was 99 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:05.040 somebody said that they didn't add any achievements in a tree. I don't think 100 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:11.519 so. I don't remember anything popping up. I think, oh, yeah, 101 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.199 yeah, didn't didn't have achievements, so that means I still got I 102 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.439 still got a platinum baby. Because I wondered, like, as I was 103 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.680 playing, if they just hadn't turned the one yet because we were playing release. 104 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.240 I don't think they have any I don't know if they have any on 105 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.920 isn't there a requisite prerequisite on like PlayStation or something? Yeah, I console. 106 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:36.800 I thought it's like, well maybe not, fore it's definitely expected by 107 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:39.959 a lot of fans. I think, so they'll probably there will probably be 108 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:44.439 some people wanting about that, but uh yeah, it's I'll say that. 109 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.000 Once I started to get the hang of things though there at the end it 110 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.959 did take about an hour playing. After I kindly got the thing installed and 111 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.800 got past that thing, it was like, okay, I'm I'm feeling this. 112 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.519 I could also just tell this it is kind of difficult. It is 113 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.079 challenging, more challenging than I was expecting. Even on Elden Ring, I 114 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.319 definitely considered to be a challenging game. I could see them like really, 115 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:03.680 and it's the way you described it, Tam. It's not just like density 116 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.439 of content and that connective tissue. I think they're just like, they really 117 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.199 want to give you the difficult to Dark Souls experience right away and they're not 118 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.920 going to hold it back. So but I'm excited about it by that. 119 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.959 That is something I'm finding very enticing. Yeah, it still has a very 120 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.839 manageable difficulty curve. You know, difficult is relative. So if you're the 121 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.279 kind of person that never has completed these games, are you don't get on 122 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:31.439 with them. Nothing's changed. But even though it's difficult, if you have 123 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.159 played the original game or played Dark Souls, you'll be fine. Like they 124 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.360 they don't just crank up the difficulty and like leave you to it and it's 125 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.039 hard. Because of that. There's actual thought and design put into the way 126 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.639 the difficulty works, and it's reflected in the way enemies ramp up, and 127 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.519 there's a whole delicate science to the way these make these games. They make 128 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.080 these games that is that goes far beyond they just made it harder. It's 129 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:01.080 like they made it harder, but they do that knowing how to do it 130 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.080 while making it achievable for pretty much everyone, as long as you're willing to 131 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.720 persevere and engage it in the way that they kind of outline they want to 132 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:16.360 create the template for the ninety five on Metacritic. Not that it matters too 133 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.080 much, but I was pretty impressed by that. You think it earned that, 134 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.200 You think it's like the highest rate of games of all time. Yeah. 135 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.440 I think the thing that's going to be the discussion this year is is 136 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.840 it legible for Game of the Year? Yeah? And it happened. Yeah, 137 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:35.159 And like from my personal perspective, I don't see why not. I 138 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:41.759 think we talked about Cyberpunk when Phantom Liberty came out as potential well yeah, 139 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:45.399 it was on our top ten, but we discussed it as if it could 140 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.720 have been. You know, it was in the running to potentially get Game 141 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.200 of the Year for us. So from a Game Spot perspective, Elden Ringshadow 142 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.720 of the Ear Tree is going to be in contention. I do wonder if 143 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.759 it's the same for like, you know, the one that people really think 144 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:03.200 of as prestigious and the others like you know, the game awards and that 145 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.840 kind of stuff, that one's a bit trickier. I think if they go 146 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.120 based on if we go based on like previous years, I don't think they 147 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:20.240 accept the d l C as a Game of the year contenter can't remember ongoing 148 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:26.120 game, right, So yeah, yeah, I don't think they don't like 149 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.639 the community one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is like for me, 150 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.559 I think that's I said the same with Cyberpunk, was like, it's 151 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.480 the scale of things these days are so significant that I think that we need 152 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.039 to reassess what DLC really is and consider each one in its own merits. 153 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.200 I think that this is the thought in these kind of scenarios is very outdated, 154 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.200 where DLC is still treated as you know, we've added another gun, 155 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.519 or we've added some armor to it, or you know that kind of thing, 156 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:03.360 whereas this is a game that was made across multiple years and features a 157 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:11.639 significant content addition injection and even has a little bit of an overhaul on the 158 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:15.960 previous content. So I would I would think like that would warrant and merit 159 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.279 looking at it as its own thing again, and like I said, I 160 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:26.399 thought the same for Cyberpunk as well. Yeah, Lucy, so you've been 161 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.960 playing How deep into the DLC are you? That is difficult to say. 162 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.000 I have done more than I did in the three hour preview session, right 163 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:39.759 but I spent a lot of time at the very beginning because I felt I 164 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.440 was under leveled. I just explored a bunch, so I definitely found a 165 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.960 couple of areas that I was not supposed to. I think of about ten 166 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:54.720 or so hours in I because I was I started a new save on PC 167 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.679 in my because I'm afraid I'm an elite gamer now, and I'm of course, 168 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:09.320 yeah, I'm afraid of that too. Genuinely, I'm playing my I 169 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.039 haven't had a single I restarted it a few weeks ago before we did the 170 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:18.440 preview session, so I already had a run, and I have my little 171 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:26.519 Fucker builds on my des Bleed poison Rot build. So I've been kind of 172 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.120 working my way through that, slaying alban Orics right now. I don't want 173 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:39.279 to say where I am, but I've Yeah, how many bosses have you 174 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.639 beaten? There's a sixteen total bosses in this or something. Well, let's 175 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.679 say who counts as a boss and who is just like, yeah, I 176 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.679 mean sixteen. I think is is because yeah, I've eaten four that have 177 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:58.120 a big health bar. Mm hmm, okay, yeah those are the Yeah, 178 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.639 but no think No, I don't think I have because I've I've explored 179 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.600 and one of them was definitely not like I didn't. I did not have 180 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.840 to beat that dragon. Oh yeah, no you don't. You don't have 181 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:11.919 to fight all of them at all. Yeah, there's some optional bosses, 182 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.399 so it's like a beaten four with a big health bar. But I don't 183 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.600 because I like, I won't be able to see it as a linear kind 184 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.440 of like my the way that I've tackled the game millennially until I finished it, 185 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:30.039 so I really have no idea where I am and I know, Yeah, 186 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:35.440 it's like core bosses that are like, hey, these are linked to 187 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:39.240 story in a meaningful big way, and you don't have to beat all of 188 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.240 them. You can. It's the same as with you know, the main 189 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.519 game. You don't have to get you can only you can defeat two of 190 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.720 the the main game is like one hundred and something. It's like mad yeah, 191 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.360 like like big health. But one of them, though, I will 192 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.159 say, was I basically had a Godzilla let them fight moment because I found 193 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.320 a big dragon and he was getting by a bunch of boys and I literally 194 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.399 just sat on the cliff and watched. But then I felt really mad because 195 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.559 I thought the dragon was going to beat all the little boys. And then 196 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:15.120 the dragon glitched and was just stood still, and so there was this one 197 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.519 soldier just hacking away at the leg. It took like ten minutes. I 198 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.399 was texting Tam in it and I was like, I don't feel good about 199 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:26.679 this. No, it counts those care fair is fair, So I'm sick 200 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.440 to say you're enjoying it. I love it? Yeah, God, I 201 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.279 tweeted out when the embargo was up, and I was like, one thing 202 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:39.360 I was worried about was that I think playing elden Ring more than anything else. 203 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.840 Like I know people will say the same of a Breath of the Wild, 204 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.440 but I actually felt the Breath of the Wild in comparison. There weren't 205 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:54.000 huge, beautiful, like distinct environments and like that that feeling, yes, 206 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:58.519 And so I didn't feel I was worried I wouldn't get that sense of wonder 207 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:07.440 and then I was playing and there's a point where I saw this castle and 208 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:09.360 there was the tree at the top of it, and there was like a 209 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:15.600 big fire gollumn like and it just looked like a painting. And I was 210 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.080 like, oh my god, I get to explore that and I get to, 211 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:24.080 you know, exist in that, and I yeah, I've been all 212 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.000 right. So then if I if I, like were to ask for some 213 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.919 pointers about how to get through this first little bit right now, I am. 214 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.200 I got that the blasphemous sword, and I am trying to go light 215 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.639 armors so I can dodge and I kind of get in there, do some 216 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:45.279 swings and occasionally do the big fire attack with that sword. It seems to 217 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.360 mostly be working. I'm I'm worried that I'm going to get to a point 218 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.480 where it's like, nah, dodging is not going to help you here. 219 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.559 You need to rethink your entire strategy. But I don't know. I don't 220 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:58.360 think so. I think you could, like, as long as you the 221 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.919 weapons that you pick will scale up, but well, your damage out put 222 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.080 will scale up depending on the amount of skato tree fragments that you find. 223 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.000 If you explain that, for people that I just I just got the hang 224 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.120 of that too. So schedu tree fragments are like basically leveling up in the 225 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.240 DLC and only the basically right. Yeah, So they are a separate stat 226 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.639 a series of stats which you go if you go into your stated screen, 227 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:30.080 you'll see yellow ones there that they depending on how much you get of them, 228 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.480 that goes up. But the moment you return to the lands between that 229 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.960 stuff isn't in play anymore. The weapons are fine, any like core levels 230 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.679 that you've done are fine. The scatter tree and the the other stuff that 231 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:49.000 you collect on there go. The spirit ash blessings won't come into play there. 232 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:55.120 So it's basically specific to this DLC to make sure that you don't go 233 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:00.799 back overpowered and like kill everything immediately. Yeah, am I going to be 234 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:06.400 finding those in like parts? So they're actually like the majority a significant number 235 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:11.920 of them are around the Micholas crosses, so you know the kind of symbol 236 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.920 that they tell you to go and look for to show where Michola's pathing has 237 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:23.519 been. You'll find a bunch there. There's also remember that Pop character that 238 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.839 we just told you to go and attack and you went the other way instead. 239 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.720 Some of those. Yeah, some of those will have them as well. 240 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:38.440 And then there's certain enemies that I won't say what they are, animalistic 241 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:45.359 enemies that you'll encounter at some point that will drop them as well. Beyond 242 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.480 that, yeah, beyond that, it's just kind of like you will find 243 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:53.039 them heir in there after you defeat enemies or just like hanging about in certain 244 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:57.400 areas. There's not a reaches the point where you have to like collect three 245 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:03.559 I think it is, and then they become a singular upgrade. So as 246 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:04.920 you've got you've got to hunt them down. I think you can go up 247 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:10.240 twenty levels scattered tree levels. I believe it is. Okay, that's if 248 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.960 you collect every single one, and it's like it does like scale, like 249 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.359 you're saying like it like, yeah, my first one was like just one, 250 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:18.960 and then it's like, well, now go the next up you need 251 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.240 to. And I'm assuming it's going to do that each time, three and 252 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.880 then four. No, I think it stays at three after after three years 253 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.799 where it caps out, okay, and even if you get like every single 254 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:33.200 one of them, the bosses don't become trivial at all. Now that does, 255 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.359 Yeah, it continues to be rough if you if you heard you can't 256 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.920 cake walk kit, you have to actually play the game properly. And then 257 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.839 the spirit Ash blessings are the they do the same thing, so they upgrade 258 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.720 your attack power. The scatter tree ones that upgrade your attack power and damage 259 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:56.279 negation for yourself. The spirit Ash does it for Torrent, your steed, 260 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.920 and also any spirit Ash summons, so if you if you're summoning a s 261 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.440 ash, it will be more powerful if you collect the spirit Ash blessings. 262 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.759 Those are these those are found more in the world. I think, Okay, 263 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.720 yeah, the summons I wasn't able to summon, and that was just 264 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.279 because I was like an like a dungeon that wasn't allowing it, right, 265 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:17.759 So it's like, oh, yeah, I could summon things and then it 266 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:18.720 wasn't working. I'm like, wait, I just think that's just because no, 267 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.319 man. Yeah, there's certain areas which you can summon. It's usually 268 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:29.480 around like big boss areas, boss areas and enemies areas with lots of enemies 269 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.319 nearby. Usually you can see if it's going to be a big fight or 270 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.640 a scrap, they'll let you summon there, okay, And it's it's kind 271 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.000 of similar for you know, summoning other players, there are specific areas where 272 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:47.960 you can summon the best place for it and for both of you. How 273 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:52.599 do I beat the Black jail Night run away? Now? I saw that 274 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.119 fucker in the preview and I tried him like three times if I remember correctly, 275 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.400 You run in, immediately, run to the left and let him spray 276 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.799 his bullets, close the gap, attack twice, pause and when he pauses 277 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:10.440 he'll backstep the moment he starts his backstep, jump forward and strike and do 278 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:14.200 two attacks again and he'll backstep again, and you basically caught him in a 279 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.079 loop. They just keep jumping towards him, and like when he tries to 280 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:21.880 create space, don't let him have it. And then if you remember, 281 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:30.039 yeah, because there's a bunch of those lads that are the will behave a 282 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:36.559 bit differently as well. Great news. They have twitch drops at Elden Ring 283 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:41.240 and they've got the little like eel thing and so I got it. Yeah, 284 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.519 I got him. And what's the other one? There was another one, 285 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.920 mister wolf Night. I think he's a badge, though I don't think 286 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:55.640 it's the next but yeah, I got him. Yeah, it's fun. 287 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.039 I want the pool noodle lad. They're really they can be deadly if you're 288 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.160 not careful. Yes, I accidentally got bucked up on one of them, 289 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.799 and I was like, yeah, please you to begin with, they only 290 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:10.240 attack you when you're like hitting them, and then you get some other types 291 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:14.960 as well later on, a little more aggro, which is fun. I 292 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.039 did see a little bit of Maximilian Dude I believe, was streaming this in 293 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.920 four K on Twitch, and I was like, Oh, we're there. 294 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.000 We're finally there where like that can actually work and the game looks just really 295 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.559 good. It's that That's the first thing that hit me when I got back 296 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:30.640 in. It's like, oh, yeah, the best artists in the world 297 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:34.319 working on like one of the biggest games ever, and it's just such a 298 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:40.000 joy to look at everything that the big fire guy that's right at the front. 299 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.680 When am I going to be able to beat him? You can find 300 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.960 him immediately if he wants you can't. It's not what he's doable immediately okay, 301 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.480 like hashtag doable. Yeah, I mean the thing that you have to 302 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:55.480 be careful about is you will die a bunch of times to learn this attack 303 00:21:55.519 --> 00:22:00.039 patterns and its attacks are quite like AoE fire stuff, so you have to 304 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:07.240 be very precise with like dodging his fire, and it can be tricky. 305 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.640 Even I struggle with it still, Like I've beaten a bunch of them, 306 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.000 and sometimes I'll get like the arena will fuck me up, or I'll just 307 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.200 like didn't predict the right attack there. Right, the fire's got a much 308 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.000 bigger area than I was expecting. Yeah. They are worth doing though, 309 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.839 because they give you the tiers that you can put into your physic and they 310 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.920 have some cool new new tiers that mess with properties in a very fun way. 311 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.519 So they are they are tricky to do. You can, like, 312 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.640 once you've gone up a few scattery levels, maybe try one. But the 313 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:45.000 fun last thing, did either of you try the There's like some new ways 314 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:49.640 to fight. I believe there's like a hand to hand combat. You try 315 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.599 that. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's fun. The hand to hand stuff 316 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:59.920 is good for like one v ones and there's certain a bit like the barel 317 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.519 has a good like not AOI, but it's good at crowd control to a 318 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.319 degree. I especially like if you put like a bleed effect or something like 319 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:12.319 that on on the stuff like the bakele or whatever. It can be handy. 320 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:17.240 I just I think they're fun. I think they're designed to be in 321 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.960 there for freaks who want to be like I'm going to stream myself completing the 322 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:25.880 entire game using only punches and kicks, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, 323 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.599 Okay, it's definitely viable. I just don't find them to be particularly 324 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.119 that much better streamline. Yeah, it's good, you're gonna have a rougher 325 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:38.440 because the range on attack is is very you know small. You have to 326 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.079 be up close and personal, which means you know you're in danger way more 327 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:47.279 and your your ability to dodge is way more. Put to the tests. 328 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.480 If you screw up, miss time something and get hit, chances are you're 329 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.640 going to die, and you can't also panic attack your way out things. 330 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:56.920 Some people do that way, you know, they overwhelm, They're just start 331 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:02.039 swinging. So I started blasting that kind of approach, but you can't really 332 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:06.920 do that with do that well with a hand to hand style. I think 333 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:10.000 the stuff that is really I think a lot of people should try and give 334 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:14.400 a goal is the projectile weapons, which are new, Like you can if 335 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.799 you search like there's a forge knocking about where you can get like so cool. 336 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.680 Yeah, they're mainly puzzle folk, not puzzle, but it's like traversal 337 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.680 focused. Then you can get, for example, an axe that you throw 338 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.319 and it's it's unlimited and you just keep throwing it from a distance, so 339 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:33.960 you can just keep lobbing axes and stuff like that. Those are fun. 340 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:40.680 And you get like kunai and things like that, like a sphere blade. 341 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.200 Yeah, yeah, those are okay, those are Those are fun to do. 342 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.720 And I think that there's a lot of new like sorcery and magic stuff, 343 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:56.240 which is really cool. A lot of like the Holy stuff is fun. 344 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.359 I think there's the way people combine it as well with other things is 345 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:04.880 going to be where the real mileage is. I'm excited to see people grab 346 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.920 all that stuff, go back into New Game Plus and then power through it 347 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.680 with all the new abilities and such. The builds are going to be wild 348 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.240 broken. Yeah, I'll be excited to see that, absolutely. All right. 349 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.200 We'll be playing more elden Ring on the website here in the next couple 350 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.640 of weeks, probably talk about it more on the BombCast as well. In 351 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.680 the meantime, though, Lucy James, what are the Tale of the Shires? 352 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.759 What are the Shire Tales. I did play Shire Tales. The Shire 353 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.799 Tales, No so, I played Tales of the Shire, which is coming 354 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.720 out at some point this year, being made by Wetter, published by Private 355 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:48.400 publish by Private Division. And as a big Lord of the Rings fan, 356 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.599 first of all, kind of just say how nice it is to have a 357 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.480 game that's not set during the War of the Ring. It's set beforehand, 358 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.200 so it's set somewhere in between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I 359 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:04.000 didn't get the exact year. It's a weird one because it is a farming 360 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:11.400 sim and I think the real fulfillment of those games not farming sim sorry, 361 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:17.160 but like cozy genre, there is farming in it. There's animal crossing, 362 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.559 there's relationship buildings. So I'm using farming as a generalized to a stagy value. 363 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:22.720 People know what you mean, People get it. Yeah, mean you 364 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:27.759 can can like lay crops and everything and grow your own stuff. So it's 365 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:33.480 very difficult to get across in half an hour. Just how that game is 366 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:38.240 going to come together and see how relationships with the Hobbits form, or you 367 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.000 know, there's even a dwarf in there, and Gandalf comes by, and 368 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:47.559 I assume other people, Like I heard someone reference Bilbo and you know, 369 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.279 I'm interested to see, hey, is this going to be around the time 370 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.400 maybe the Bilbo adopts Frodo or you know, so it remains to be seen 371 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.359 it in terms of story stuff. One thing I think they definitely nailed, 372 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.079 and this was from like a very limited hands on time with it, is 373 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:07.279 that like it the Shire is this safe haven, like that's how Tolkien always 374 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.559 wrote it. It's like, you know, the allegory that people use and 375 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:14.599 Tolkien hate allegory, but it's like it's it's England, it's green, it's 376 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:19.640 lush. People are like simple townsfolk. They have a community, and like, 377 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:23.160 I think that vibe they totally nailed. The one thing I would say 378 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.839 is that like everything hinges, like they've done it very clever wa where it's 379 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.960 like everything hinges around the fact that Hobbits love food. So what's the best 380 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:37.920 way to increase your standing with other Hobbits? Cook meals? And the demo 381 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.440 that I did first was like there was a lot of that, and there's 382 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.160 different ways, you know, like they'll tell you they prefer it salty or 383 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.319 like a recipe cause for it to be salty, and you can adapt you 384 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.640 know which kind of you know, if you have a different this kind of 385 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:55.039 mushroom will make it a little saltier. But then there's like a little graph 386 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.319 thing essentially where you're trying to get it into the sweet spot. So every 387 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:03.759 time you add a new a new ingredient, you can move it closer into 388 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.240 that zone to try and get it perfect. And the better it is, 389 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:10.519 the more it will be loved by the other Hobbits. It's very cute, 390 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.440 but the one thing that I think, like I said, was it was 391 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:17.680 difficult to gauge is like how the relationship's actually going to work, because it 392 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:22.240 was very limited in terms of how much I could interact with everyone because I 393 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.640 would walk around like they basically give me free rein to run around hobbitson and 394 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:30.079 they were just like, oh yeah, go go chat to whoever. But 395 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.119 everyone didn't have dialogue for me because it was like a weird part of the 396 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.000 vertical slice. So there were only really like two or so quests that I 397 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:45.319 could actually do. I couldn't you know. It's also I get why because 398 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.880 of ratings shit. But you can go to the Green Dragon, but you 399 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.920 can't drink alcohol there. Is no pipe there is no pipe weed. We'll 400 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:59.680 get the matyrs on this immediately, exactly one. But it was really cute. 401 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.160 I think the one thing that I really liked about it was they let 402 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.200 me come back and I was able to mess around with the home decoration part 403 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.240 of it, okay, which was like, I was really impressed with the 404 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.720 tools. So as someone who's played a lot of the SIMS, like a 405 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.039 lot of the Sims, especially in the SIMS four, you have to get 406 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:25.359 really creative or you have to download mods to be able to like position things 407 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.240 in a way to have clutter. Like clutter in the SIMS building is super 408 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.960 important, to make it look less like everything is attached to a grid, 409 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.839 and like to make it look lived in. The tools that we used that 410 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.119 I was able to use in the Hobbit in Tales of the Shire were really 411 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.400 really good, like in terms of moving stuff around, in terms of uh 412 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.839 like palette, in terms of you could have, oh, you can have 413 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.319 a big arch in the middle of your Hobbit hole and you could have it 414 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:53.759 be painted, or you could have it be a different kind of word, 415 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:59.319 or you could have plants on it. And so it was like very It's 416 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.400 like free form. Yeah, so it was good. I think my my 417 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.880 main concern is how it is all going to come together. I there were 418 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.640 a lot of like really fun little Lord of the Rings Tolkien references in it 419 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.559 without it being like too overbearing, but there was so there was one thing 420 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.920 that they didn't actually have an answer for me. So when you name your 421 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:29.200 hobbit, you can select from a list of hobbit names and Hobbit surnames. 422 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:34.160 But so there wasn't Gamgee, but there would be Sackville. So you couldn't 423 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:40.119 be in like Sam and Gaffer Gamgee, but you could be a Sackville but 424 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.039 not a Sackville Baggins and they and I was like, is that a story 425 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.279 reason why you can't actually be doing that? Like or is it just you 426 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.960 know, you don't want someone to pretend to be Frodo's sister or whatever? 427 00:30:52.480 --> 00:31:00.000 Right? Yeah, the Embrace group very protective of their property, of course. 428 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.880 Yeah. It was cute. Yeah, it's it sounds cute. It 429 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.799 sounds like I get what you mean by it all coming together, because well, 430 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.160 I think I'm like, what do I want from this game? Because 431 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.039 I do find it like like enticing in a lot of ways. This idea 432 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.039 of like just come hang out with them in the shire. That sounds so 433 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.039 pleasant to me. It's always like my favorite part of the movies is like 434 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.000 when we see the stuff in the Shire. That's definitely the stuff I always 435 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.440 found the most exciting. So like, okay, so once I'm there, 436 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.880 is it like does it not have a lot of momentum because there isn't a 437 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.039 lot of pressure on the player to change things? Or is there? Well, 438 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.279 that's the thing. So the I asked about what what is the quote 439 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:44.599 unquote central conflict here? Yeah, and it's basically the fact that this particular 440 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.680 village is not recognized by hobbitson as being a Hobbit village. Okay, very 441 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:59.799 cool. So they want to basically like be recognized by the right citizens. 442 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:07.440 Yes, there's no there's no Nasgul coming. Gandalf will obviously appear like you 443 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.799 can see him in the trailer. I I kind of love that, like 444 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.079 like low steaks, relaxing thing, like I just want to go foraging. 445 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.359 I could do this, I could do that, go fishing. It'd be 446 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.160 like a sieve, like different sieve wind conditions. It's like like can you 447 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.759 improve the culture, and then when can you improve your diplomacy. Can you 448 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.160 make yourself so like the best beer and now they like it doesn't have alcohol, 449 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.640 but to make the best food. And then that's them wants to be 450 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.319 part of you. Yeah, Ted Sandyman has nukes, I don't know, 451 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.720 like yeah, exactly, very aggressive with them for some reason, you know, 452 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.799 like I don't think you can go to you can't go to bree or 453 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.759 outside of there's a barrier, and they definitely want to keep you in hobited. 454 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:52.880 So yeah, I just need to know how it all comes together. 455 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.839 Play more of it for an extended period of time. But as like a 456 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:02.319 cozy Hobbit game, it's taking all the boxes fe right now, but yeah, 457 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:07.559 need to see, need to see more. I also I also hate 458 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.079 the fact that it's called Tales of the Shire A the Lord of the Rings 459 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.039 game. Yeah, A the Lord of the Rings game. That is bad. 460 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:21.680 Yeah I understand why. But yeah, I think I said the other 461 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:22.599 day and it came out and I'm like, Okay, it's not as bad 462 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.160 as I thought it would be to say, but it's not great still. 463 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.920 Yeah, A The Lord of the Rings game is kind of how you have 464 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.119 to you have to say instead of a Yeah, you're right, Lord of 465 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:40.359 the Ring. It's not it's just a a Lord of the Rings game. 466 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.440 You have to like sort of change your musicality of Lord of the Ring. 467 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.200 No, you have to, tim you have to do it like in the 468 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:52.480 Elden Ring opening where it goes up rise, so up the Lord of the 469 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:58.960 Rings game, The Lord of the Rings. All right, let's uh, 470 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.119 we're gonna take a quick break. Can we come back. We're gonna wrap 471 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.599 up this episode pretty quickly. I just want to kind of talk to them. 472 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.920 We talk to these folks about some British games and stuff like that. 473 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:12.199 What that was like right after this? All right, and we are back 474 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.599 and let's let's get into it. We actually decided we're gonna do a mount 475 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:21.039 rushmore of British game developers. Uh. I definitely have some stuff that comes 476 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.199 to mind. Are doing specific people? Are we doing studios? So I 477 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.360 was thinking studios? But you would you rather do people? I mean we 478 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:35.320 can we can studios? Then yeah, okay, cool? All right? 479 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.039 So I immediately think of the most British game studio, which I think is 480 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:45.280 I think the British is signosis. I think the most British. I think 481 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.679 that Bridge, I think, yes, okay, all right, cool, 482 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.239 I'm gonna get a dot going here then yeah, whatever, I just associated 483 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.079 like, I'm like yeah, like it's like that is European to me, 484 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.519 but I'm I'm pretty sure they're British growing up and now today it's like you 485 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.519 asked me to name a British game developed, I would still say signals do 486 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.239 we are? We are? We limited to the four faces that are currently 487 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.360 on Mount Rush, the four Faces about Rushing d M a design slash rock 488 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:16.119 Star right Star North was it originally? Well why can't they be like why 489 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.760 can't they be like the Hogee Rock in Narua where every time there's a new 490 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.360 one they add them to the they chosel them into the mons cowardly you got 491 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:30.079 to get rid of one, Yes, exactly, all right, let me 492 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.920 get this. I feel like I should I want to say this, but 493 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.960 it's the recency of it. It's it's just not a great spot, Like 494 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:45.079 I want to say rock Steady, but well there should they should be in 495 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.679 the conversation, Yeah, I think so, but also like even I'm like, 496 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.239 man, that's just a squad game. Though they definitely lost some of 497 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:59.159 their luster, right, that's how I feel about them as well, Zumo, 498 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:07.840 super Massive, Rare, rare, Hello Games Hello a good one. 499 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:14.199 Yeah, Playground, Playground, I mean oh, Cyrus Serven says, thank 500 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:15.960 goodness you're here. Is extremely British. But is the developer British? They 501 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:22.079 are Cooper? Yes, two boys, good boys. Are we kind of 502 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:30.920 like IDOS because we can? Yeah, because IDOS was there for a while. 503 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.599 Okay, what else do we we said? Rare, rock Steady, 504 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.199 We could just consider these medium molecule. Media molecule is the one I was 505 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.480 going to ask you both about. Okay, Media molecule, create assembly, 506 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:58.440 Yes, assembly is a good one. Travelers Tales Team seventeen, Ninja theory, 507 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.960 Ninja theory, and then uh Lionhead, code Masters yeah, code Masters, 508 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.239 rebellion rebellions there, yeah, sure, yeah. They let me shoot 509 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:16.599 Hitler in the ball exactly the most activities. Yeah, which one did you 510 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.239 say, Lucy Frontier? Oh? Friend here? Okay, that was even 511 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:25.280 monkeys? All right, so we got we we have a lot to choose 512 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:30.280 from here. Do we can keep anymore? But for anything else? I 513 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:36.559 mean rock Star, Yeah, I mean like yeah, because dm A design 514 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:42.599 was also like Lemmings too, Yeah, yes, also very yeah, Rockstar 515 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.920 have to be on there. Yeah. Okay, so Rockstar is a lock 516 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:52.800 let's put down lock Star. Okay, Like I said, I would go 517 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.079 with Signosis, but I'm willing if you guys have three will put up there 518 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.800 before that fellow game. Oh I didn't put Hello Games, but we could 519 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.079 do that, right Signosis. I think I would put them on there, 520 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.719 but I know how many people of you know right now would be like I 521 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.239 know Signals, Yeah, but it'd be like when when I'm when we're doing 522 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.719 these, I always feel like like yeah, like George Washington, right, 523 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.639 like the like, yeah, it has to be on there, right, 524 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.599 Yeah, And rarely it's like it's it's the sensibilities are baked into the games, 525 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.480 right. The British humor is like a huge part of their appeal. 526 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:36.639 Okay, well that makes it like we owned they owned an entire like generation 527 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:40.559 an era of Nintendo. Basically, it's like they were the only company. 528 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.280 Yeah, they're the only company that you could mistake the games for being Nintendo 529 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.760 games, which is powerful. Yep, absolutely, and that that's uh, 530 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.199 you know, even you go back to their NYS games, which were pretty 531 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.639 good, and they're like one of the studios that really was putting out stuff 532 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.800 that competed with Nintendo self. Okay, one spot left. We can put 533 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.079 a couple up and I try to whittle. What do you how do you 534 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.280 all want to approach it? We have a Hello Games, Idos, rock 535 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.000 Steady, Media Molecule, Creative Assembly, Travelers Tales, Sumo Team, seventeen, 536 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:20.400 Ninja Theory, Code Master's Rebellion, and Frontier. Mm hmmm, creve. 537 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.159 I like, Creative Assembly is a good one, but it's good. 538 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.280 Yeah, But I feel like in terms of personally, I would go for 539 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:37.639 rock Steady, but I am very biased on that because they made three absolutely 540 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:45.599 incredible Batman games and then they are like, we're done, We're not gonna 541 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.239 we will not make any more games. They did not make a single game 542 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.840 after that, which is a shame, but you know, it is what 543 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.079 it is. And I feel like Crative Assembly has some decent ones. But 544 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:07.360 that's the thing I don't Yeah, I know that the yeah, yeah, 545 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.519 Alien Isolation and then Hyaenas Yeah, the last two. That's right. Oh 546 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:19.840 yeah, scroll down a little bit, sure, I can just it cuts 547 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.559 off a Ninja theory. I can't remember who we've got underneath, Like Rebellious 548 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.480 I like, I like, I like Rebellion. It does feel like I 549 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.239 think rock Steady, medium molecule, creative assimply come to mind first, even 550 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:37.119 hollow games come before Rebellion, but that maybe yeah, I think, yeah, 551 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.559 Team seventeen like obviously worms and stuff. But in terms of that publisher, 552 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.559 in terms of the publishing label they've got, you know they did Dredge, 553 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.360 Yeah they did. I was doing Developers of Publishers. Is there a 554 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.440 distinction there? Do we want to make a distinction? I guess we do. 555 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.960 I guess we don't have to make a distinction, but we can because 556 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.719 Dredge was made New Zealand, I feel like you kind of have to have 557 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.840 medium molecule on there like that, And I'm like leaning towards I lean towards 558 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.840 that those little big planic games. Man, they were they start, I 559 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:14.639 mean even like dreams yh incredible, just like I ken't like I think of 560 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:20.320 sack Boy as being synonymous with the PlayStation three and some degree four. But 561 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.320 when they were, when the little big planet was popping, it owned everything. 562 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.760 Yeah, it was crazy like they it started. It became a merchandising 563 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:35.639 engine for PlayStation where the original of funcos basically where you could make sack Boy 564 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.679 look like anything, and they sure as hell did it. Yeah, and 565 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.519 it's very much also in that like art style that I associate with like rare, 566 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.679 like just a cute character with just like a stubby little arms. Out 567 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.360 of three of those games were super fun, like really really fun yep. 568 00:41:53.639 --> 00:42:01.679 So I feel like between the Little Big Planet game and then also like Dreams, 569 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.079 like Dreams is obviously not the success story that perhaps most people wanted, 570 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.800 but it was very cool and very impressive. They haven't made a modernation Racers 571 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.480 modernation that Terraway. They made Terroway, remember, and that was fucking They 572 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.760 haven't put out a bad game. They haven't even put out a mediocre game, 573 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.199 right. They put out Like Bangers and they had a massive impact on 574 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:32.360 the industry, and if you were in the UK, like the UK was 575 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:38.119 going out of its way to like shine a light on how like uh prestigious 576 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:44.000 it was to have a medium molecule, they were behind. So I feel 577 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.360 like they should be Okay, I think that puts them in there. Lucy, 578 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.800 say that sound right to you? I think that looks good. Then 579 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:58.239 our mount rushmore of British developers goes as this rock star Signosis Rare and Media 580 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.559 Molecule. And when I said out loud that list that sounds like an analyst 581 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:06.199 start chiseling. That is that sounds pretty good. Yes, get him up 582 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.480 there, go say in Minecraft though, Yeah, of course the dude just 583 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.320 want to get in Minecraft and make that That would be pretty funny. I 584 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.440 just imagine what it's like to have like a real amount Rushmore with sac Boy's 585 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:24.239 face on it, and it's horrifying that massive. Now just look at her 586 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.039 went down and see that every day. Yeah, that's that's a lot. 587 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:32.400 All right, Let's uh, let's wrap this up. Hey, what are 588 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.639 you guys gonna be doing this Weekend's more more? I mean I listened to 589 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.679 him. I know you played a lot of eldering. You still like it's 590 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:43.039 it's wild that I stumbled into a new area by accident. I was like, 591 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.960 oh, I had no idea this was hair. There's there's like I 592 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.880 keep finding I found a new boss the other day but I had not seen 593 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.360 which was crazy. I was like, oh you, I didn't see you 594 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.719 hair before. But yeah, I'm gonna be playing more of it, I 595 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:02.320 think, And then I think I'm gonna try and play something else. I 596 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.519 think there's a bunch of Steam Next Fest stuff that I downloaded and just haven't 597 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.559 touched. So some of those I think might be still playable, Yes, 598 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:16.920 some of those who turned out the A and then I'll find something else that 599 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.920 paper Mario maybe. Yeah, that's been fun. I'm finishing that up. 600 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.679 I'm really happy with it. Lucy James, how about you? What do 601 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.880 you got going on? I am going to be on so skill Up is 602 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.639 doing a game on cancer charity stream on Saturday, so at like seven thirty 603 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:39.440 PMPT me. I believe Hubert from Easy Allies and j Bodino are gonna be 604 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.960 hopping on, so come through, donate some money. Never can watch it 605 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.360 on skill ups YouTube, Chan, YouTube dot com. Let's launches skill Up 606 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.679 and then Monday We've got star Players launching, which I'm very excited about. 607 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.760 We finally revealed it. Yeah, but anyone has followed my Instagram stories and 608 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.880 I wondered why I've been at the Guy Fieri Bar and Grill and Burbank so 609 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:04.079 often. That is it's because you love it I've ever met. I love 610 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.960 Flavor Town, but we are very excited about it, so it's uh it's 611 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:13.960 going up on Monday with Money Exchange. We've got Dominic Monaghan, I Shaw, 612 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:21.840 Tyler, Rajulkleilem, Johnny from Health like we have we have really and 613 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.800 more to be announced. So that's fun. And then this weekend forward, 614 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.559 Yeah one Benjamin Star is coming to stay with me next week, so I 615 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.800 have to do it. I know what you mean. I'm like, I 616 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.880 because I got some people coming intown for Summer Slam in like a month or 617 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.920 so, and I'm like, I should really just get a whole area clean 618 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:44.199 to all over my house. 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